Ancelotti makes shock return to Real Madrid

Why has nobody asked the question of would the "Top 6" want him? Oh, hang on, this lot are bigger than any of them, aren't they?

I'd prefer he stayed as we must at some stage have some continuity with an accomplished manager at the helm but if he is to go then Everton should insist on at least the remainder of his contract as compensation and given their rumoured financial position that should be the end of all this talk.

As mentioned on another thread, perhaps his replacement should be that famous No 7 – Bond, James Bond – then we'd all be shaken but not stirred. With "M" - Moshiri, leading and "Q" with his funny ways and gadgets, or is that "K"?

It is all becoming the running joke.

I think we should change managers every season to satisfy the bloodlust for managers on TW.

We could start with bringing back the Moyesiah (much loved and admired on here), then Sean Dyche, followed by Eddie Howe, Graham Potter etc...

Once we are done with the flavour of the month, usual suspects we could appoint a triumvirate of Hind, Edwards and Tasker to manage the team. After all, this management thingy is a doddle.

Arrivedercci Carlo, if you go, all the best, amigo.

Looks like a small number rod Everton fans will get what they wish for. I don't think it is any coincidence Eddie Howe did a U-turn at Celtic last week.

Without a big-name manager and European football, the only way we are going to persuade class players to join is paying through the nose to get them. We are going to end up getting relegated within 2 years I think if we get Eddie Howe as manager.

Not if Ancelotti turns them down Dan, and gets a new longer contract at Everton!

No chance! Carlo will not risk his massive Everton pension pot for one season at Madrid, unless he's totally pissed off with our lack of ambition. I wouldn't trust Moshiri to get the right man in anyway, I'd guess it would be big fat Frankie Lampard.

Are we allowed yet to wonder out loud who we'd get in his place or is that still considered a bit of a no-no?

It's unfortunate Perez doesn't read TW. If he did, he would know that Carlo is finished. He is yesterday's man according to TW football experts. So why would the biggest most demanding football club in the world even consider him as their next manager? It's a fucking mystery.

Colin, you've missed out some bloke called Steve Cooper from Swansea. Also should Carlo go, I say sack the new manager already, after all he's shite!

Good point Barry. That is clearly beyond me. Good enough for Real Madrid, but not good enough for us. It definitely is a mystery.

Why not, Brian 54. I'll start the ball rolling; Enzo Nomarkoni from Italian third division side FC Pecorino.

He's a dynamic, forward thinking, progressive manager who will provide Tom Davies with a football brain, Alex fucking Iwobi with an iota of courage, and André ‘lead in his boots' Gomes with an increased spatial awareness and a quicker than sloth-like pace to his game.

After his third-loss-in-a-row start to the season, we can always replace him with our very own, perennial saviour, Big Duncan Ferguson! A man anointed by god himself, Bill Kenwright.

Nomarkoni out! Sack him, get rid, plays zombie negative football. Bellendotti from the Italian conference league is who we should bring in. Plays a 2-3-5 formation. Leaves his defence totally exposed, but fuck, can his teams score goals, but ultimately loses most games heavily, but boy, it's great entertainment!

If there is any truth to this, and he knocks Real back, it certainly shows how comitted he is to Everton.

Rob #58.

Ccan you remember when 2-3-5 used to be the only formation there was? Inside forwards, left-half and right-half. Them were the days!

Surely Madrid would rather Conte!

If Carlo goes, which I wouldn't blame him for, we should be in the mix for Conte or Sarri. Enough of this talk of Big Dunc.

Colin, Rob - how about that guy Patrick Grant from The Great British Sewing Bee? Rumour has it he can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear!

Normally I would just dismiss this as British press speculation but I see the Spanish paper Marca is also reporting this and they are usually very accurate when it comes to anything to do with Real or Barca. Would the lure of going back to Real tempt Carlo? I am sure it would, but Carlo is an honourable man and I believe he would decline the offer.

Should he however go to Real, I dread to think who this club would look to appoint, I guess the same names will be bandied about as before Silva came, never mind Ancelotti: Howe, Dyce and numerous others who have won very little in their careers.

Let's not forget the newest name TWebbers have recently thrown into the ring. Scott Parker... riding a current crest of a wave having triumphantly taken Fulham out of the top flight!!

And also let's not discard those other faves from over the years on here... Owen Coyle and Alan Pardew. The rich range of potential managerial talent is staggering!!!

If Real Madrid ask, I think he'll go.

For all their financial concerns, they are still very much an elite club and (true or not) Carlo will see them as a better match for him.

Let's be honest for a minute: Carlo is at Everton because he got the sack from Napoli and we jumped in quick with a lucrative offer – he's not with us for other reasons that get mentioned (project, new stadium, family club etc), although these are no doubt part of the picture. Let's also be honest and admit that we are probably something of an embarrassment at board level and he probably thinks he's dealing with a bunch of amateurs.

Real Madrid may approach Carlo as they see him as a safe pair of hands during a difficult time. I'd personally be gutted if true – not because I think he's doing an amazing job, but more because it would be a shame that we landed a top manager and, for whatever reason, it didn't work out. There's a huge manager merry-go-round unfolding at the elite level so, if he did want out, he'll probably be able to find something else anyway?

Good comments about Enzo Nomacaroni of Pecorino FC he is is the gratest available at the moment.

I think it's not Carlo we should be possibly worried about with this decision, it his his wife and daughter, and possibly son, their preferences may tip the balance.

Anyway, it's good to know we have many other top options like Nomacaroni, Giuseppe Lossalotti etc to replace him.

Even if Madrid come knocking, I can't see Carlo leaving. Real Madrid have an ageing squad and need a complete rebuild, with pretty much zero budget. Covid and the collapse of the ESL 'project' have hit them hard. It's why Zidane left and it's why Carlo won't go.

I agree that Real Madrid are aging team, that being said they will no sooner turn it around and win a major trophy than Everton are ever likely to.

Tony 66, there's a guy in the third tier of the MSL who's got a bit of a tasty reputation. Maybe our American cousins can enlighten us more regarding his potential. His name is Chris P Bacon.

Brian @ 63. This:

'Normally I would just dismiss this as British press speculation but I see the Spanish paper Marca is also reporting this and they are usually very accurate when it comes to anything to do with Real or Barca.'

Sure about Marca Brian? Check out the following:

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Easy money making up and writing football rumours which get picked up and repeated globally, giving the false impression that 'there must be something in it if it's being so widely reported.'

Surely we all agree, after sacking Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva, that maybe it's the players, not the manager, who need replacing?!

Colin (69), Chris P Bacon, I've heard he's very Smokey, so wouldn't go a bundle on him!!

It annoys me the way some media outlets are reporting on this.
"Real Madrid are considering hiring Ancelotti" etc etc.
There IS the small point of him having a contract with tiny Everton.
Perhaps I'm being over sensitive.
On another note a name I mentioned in an earlier thread is being touted as already lined up to replace Ancelotti, and that's Nuno ex of Wolves.

Danny Broderick @71. The elephant in the room. The whale in the pool. Whatever phrase we use it is obvious. We need better players.

Give Big Dunc the top job. As long as he consult ToffeeWeb before making his team selection, and tactics discussed here, we will be challenging top 6 for sure.

Footy accumulators (solid ITK bunch) are saying Madrid set to name Carlo as new manager in a few hours.

If I had a dog I'd take him out for a walk but as I don't have one I'll stay indoors eating my toenails in nervous anticipation.

Now Marca (Twitter) are announcing it! BK to be named as interim manager.

Ok,say hes gone.

Whos next on the carousel?

wow a lot of reports now on the internet that Ancelotti is to be announced Real Madrid Manager and he has shocked Everton and asked to leave

So next season's El Classico fixtures will see both teams with ex Everton managers at the helm?

I wonder why Eddie Howe turned down Celtic, when it looked all done and dusted - hmmm.

Germans seem to be in vogue recently. I suppose we could get ourselves one as long as it's not Klinsmann.

Carlo won't go he loves to watch and admire the iron static men on Crosby beach. Reminds him of our midfield probably.

Reports in Spain say Carlo will be announced as real manager this week

Will he take James (and Brands) with him? That is the question

Colin, rumour has it that he wants to take Iwobi with him! :-)

The new manager will come in, have us up and running in no time.
He will turn the second rate players we have into world beaters.
A challenge for top 4 and CL is on the cards next season, but only if Ancelotti goes.

Then he goes with my blessings, Derek 🙏. Can you hear the champagne corks popping in the background? There'll be some sore heads on TW tomorrow.

I wonder if Bill will be in charge of “scouting” the next manager? Gawd help us.

this is looking likely now. If it's true we've avoided a likely thirty million pay out in October, and a host of 29 year olds looking to burnish their pensions in the close season.
I am in parts relieved, and appalled. These deals don't just happen out of the blue, he'll have been approached weeks ago. He's treated the club miserably if it's true.
Having said all of that, I'll be delighted to see him out of the door.

Colin, another Twitter rumour this week was Carlo and Brands are not on the same page regarding this summer's recruitment so maybe we're stuck with Marcel.

Away from the managerial rumour mill for a second, but just read this piece on the Beeb, Danny O'Neill will probably be crestfallen that I have linked it. Football is indeed a cruel mistress. I hope when the final game at Goodison arrives that we are challenging for the title, but I don't think I could handle what happened to Schalke.

Final Day Drama

Andrew, I'm a pragmatist so if he does go he will be replaced by someone else. I'll be disappointed but clubs go on as does life. The last couple of months have been a huge disappointment so maybe it was Carlo, or maybe it was the players or both, I don't know.

Hopefully, we will get some compensation for him and (fingers crossed) he is replaced with an even better manager (doubt that) but if people think a dynamic young manager is going to get this lot playing gegenpress then you're in for a rude awakening.

I suppose it depends on your opinion of Carlo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2L3UzM_FfE

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5BGGXoLIYI

Lampard/Howe/Nuno or Big Dunc shortlist ?

I wondered why Big Sam turned down the WBA job long-term, now we know! Only joking. I'd be pretty annoyed if Carlo upped sticks so soon, if only because he made lots of the right noises, but ultimately like so many others in the game, principles don't seem to apply. However, he hasn't gone yet, and it may be a smokescreen for Madrid, but it would be nice if Carlo and or Everton refuted the rumour as soon as possible.

Whoever will work with Big Dunc will get the gig. BK will see to that. I have a feeling it will be Howe.

Kante to Madrid ???

Who'd want to manage this bunch of multi millionaire has beens? There is no passion in the people who manage or play for this great club, Dunc excepted.

We seem to be a good place to feather your pension pot. How many manager changes do we have to make, was Big Sam bothered that the crowd was baying for his blood as he looked down at his expensive gold watch after another shit result? He was sniggering all the way to his villa in the Costa Lotta.

We have to settle for a manager a la Bielsa with a strategy and plan and stick with him. Who? Don't know. Someone who can turn water into wine maybe

Yes Colin 87, let's hope Bill isn't involved. His last 2 managerial appointments have brought us regular European football on a shoestring budget and our record Premier League points tally.

Let's hope it's down to Moshiri and we get another Koeman / Allardyce / Silva appointment.

My monies on Nuno if he goes.

If it's Howe I'm fucking finished with the shit show that is Everton.

This guy Nico Chira seems to have an eye for transfers. He thinks it's a done deal. Was that why Bale said he knows where he'll be next year?

https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1399684788806635525?s=19

I'd rather Howe than Nuno myself. Not that either of them are particularly exciting.

Well, well, well Carlo seems to be leaving? So much for all the cheap Ancelotti talk about rebuilding the club and the family feeling of walking the dog on Crosby Beach and loving Gormley's statues!

Does he really want to select the first line-up at Bramley Moore and that feeling of belonging to a great project and the restoration of the pride of this wonderfully historic club?

If he goes then there is no hope for anyone in the world of football, just always the bottom line. I am 69 in a few weeks and sadly my cynicism of the modern game can not sink any lower.

If Ancelotti goes after all the talk, who is worth trusting again! So many of you may not be upset and think he is not the man, but whether he is the saviour or not, he would have run out the door and his staure as a decent man has been shattered for me!

I think I will treat myself to a season ticket at AFC Rushden & Diamonds ten minutes walk away.

Excellent point Kevin #97.

If Real really want him then he'll probably go - although Real have their worst team in years and are struggling financially (hence needing the superleague). Their best hope is the development of Rodrygo, Reinier, Vinicius, Valverde, Militao and other youngsters which isn't really Ancelotti's bag. So we'll see.

As for replacement's it might be time to reluctantly accept we were never going to spend enough to get the most out of Ancelotti. So someone better able to develop players and get a tune out of crap might be a better fit anyway. Not blessed with lots of obvious options mind you.

You must be on cloud 9, Kevin. Have you got your, I ❤️ Moyes t-shirt back on?😄😄

Tomorrow's headlines will probably be “ Oyston family buy Everton”. That would be so Everton.

Would RM have to ay us a nice fat compo if this is true? I think it would be a huge gamble for Carlo. Why would he want this job? RM on their knees financially hence their President geezer pinning so much on the ESL, may be looking at points deduction, Euro penalty and/or fine, ageing squad - and added to which second runs at a job rarely pay off.

If it happens, which I doubt - Sarri? Benitez? If we fancy a German - Klinsmann?, Nuno? Lampard?

Need someone to put a rocket up the arses of our lethargic squad wether it's Carlo, Duncan or someone else.

As long as we don't look total shit and clueless at home to Burnley, Sheffield United, etc I don't care who we get if CA goes.

If Carlo goes, I demand his successor be sacked immediately!! Ok, within three months then as all of TW demand his sacking as we're not in the top two of the premier league.

Patience awaits no man, or whatever the saying is??

For continuity I'll be sad to see Carlo go. It's clear what player profiles we need this summer, and it would be up to Brands and the club to see if they could meet Ancelotti's expectations.

The flipside to that is that I do have some concerns that Carlo would want to sign more established stars like Ramsay and Pedro (yesterdays link) and that would be at odds with Brands wanting younger long term signings.

If he does leave we should appoint Santo. No compensation, and a very good manager who has proven his qualities as a premier league manager for a number of seasons. Take no notice of Wolves league position last season. He was unlucky losing Jota and Jimenez.

Rob @106
I understand that you think that some on TW are negative for the sake of being negative. But isn't it right and proper that some have different views on Everton and whoever is the manager at the time?

I've been looking at some tweets and posts on other sites and there is a growing group of people that seems intent on blaming the 'negative' fans for hounding out previous managers and indeed if Carlo leaves of his own accord, for his departure too.

We appear to live in a society where opposition views are not tolerated because every individual believes that they are right regardless of the quality of arguments put forward by others.

If Carlo leaves, that's football, we move on to the next manager and hope that they make a fist of improving the team.

I do admit that Carlo leaving for Real Madrid will inevitably lead to many 'negative' fans blaming Everton and questioning the ambition of the club and all of the other stuff that they spout, but sometimes things just happen and it will be Everton's response to the events, should they happen, that will be crucial for our future.

Rob#106 - maybe Darren will write a piece on our next manager (whoever it may be) before he's appointed, explaining to us all why he'll be a failure?

Paul Joyce just confirmed it's happening, and we're going all in on a previous employee currently living down south.

Kevin

Worst nightmare

oh joy, on twitter a lot of reports say Moyes is top of the list and we are also speaking to Eddie Howe!

Given that IF Carlo is the man of integrity that I believe he is, after the stance that he and the club took against the ESL, I would be staggered if he chose to go there.
Big, BIG risk.

Staying and working with the EFC project has got to be more attractive bar getting burgled, the weather and some fans.

Carlo Ancelotti is now considered ‘one step away' from joining Real Madrid. His agents are now working to terminate his current contract with Everton - it's the last step then the deal will be completed. Ancelotti won't create any problem on personal terms with Real from Fabrizio Romano

I don't know how much truth is in it but I've just heard Carlo Ancelotti is set to be announced as the new manager of Real Madrid this evening.

Haven't read all the posts - so this might already have been mentioned, but, if, as rumoured, Carlo Ancelotti is on salary of £12M pa at Everton and his contract has 2½ years still to run – the compensation if he breaks the contract will amount to over £30M. Since Real Madrid are ostensibly "broke', how will they manage to pay the compensation package?

Unbelievable heartbreaking moment For Schalke Barry Hesketh @90.

A great club as I've banged on about many times. Close to my heart. They don't own my heart like Everton, but they are always on my mind.

On my last trip out, February 2020, what was really impressive is what they've done with the old Park Stadion. They were renovating it to be the primary pitch / stadium of the academy. It now sits proudly on top of a slope looking down on the academy training pitches where the youth teams play and train. All of it in the shadow of the new stadium, which itself is impressive. And what an academy that has been over the years.

A great set up, just a shame I will watch them in Bundesliga 2 next season. They'll come back. That support base and passion they have for their club and their city will get them there.

It can't happen twice right? Lightning never strikes twice!!! You done it now; odds on Everton winning the league on the last game at Goodison in the 98th minute?

You distract me!! Back on topic.

We don't need to be changing our manager. Forget who it is / could be / want to be. Get better players and the manager will get better results.

But, whatever happens, Moshiri needs to own this now. It's his thing. Stop listening to the sentimentalists like me. Unlike other walks of life, with Everton I just follow. Lead me to the promised land.

Hugh there's a good chance that he and Rodriguez have break clauses allowing them to move on if an established Champions League club calls. So we may well get nowt - or a lot less than £30M anyway.

It's that time of year again. More bullshit... if it's true, and I doubt it, my pick would be Lampard. Some good young talent at Chelsea who may follow him.

The compensation point is going to be interesting. Cos by rights, we can demand £30M from Real Madrid, which we know they don't have. But if Carlo plays hardball with us, says 'I really want to go, if you don't let me I think it will really affect my motivation going forward' ... ie, "I will stink the place out and you'll have to pay me £30M in October" ... I think we will release him with no compensation (that's what I'd do).

Barry, fully agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, be it for the manager of any player. With any player the answer is simple, if he's playing rubbish then he can be dropped. With a manager it's slightly different. Ok he can be sacked, but I don't think Moshiri will be sacking Ancelotti any time soon. He's been with us eighteen months, he inherited a bag of shite, he's played a handful of premier league games in front of home fans, unbeaten in them all by the way, he's had one proper transfer window to try and improve the squad, yet because some fans expected miracles overnight, which unfortunately didn't happen, they want him gone. As I said, Patience awaits no man, and believe me, a gnat has more patience than some on here.

If he resigns and walks away, then that is a different matter!!

Real will never be broke. Franco looked after them very well in his will.

Robert (118). Quite possibly, you are correct. But, if so, why bother with a contract at all?

Kim

I was thinking regarding him wanting ESL teams punished

I wonder if Moshiri and Kenwright take it in turns to appoint the manager of Everton?
BK - Martinez
BK - Royle/Unsworth
FM - Koeman
BK - Unsworth
Both - Allardyce
FM - Silva
BK - Ferguson
FM - Ancelotti

Therefore it's Bill's turn and so we await the return of the Ginger one?

We'll find out soon enough because Carlo will surely make a short statement, today or tomorrow, rubbishing it all. Or sadly confirming he's moving on.

Robert, Dale I like Lampard too, he is a serial winner with the highest of standards, seems a grounded and positive person who will be driven to succeed . Also, Nuno Espirito is ready to take a step up. Either would be good appointments.

Chris P Bacon , Enzo Macca-Rooney etc are out of our league and pay scale .

If this does come to pass then whoever the next manager is should have written into his contract that he can't buy players over 25 apart from a keeper.

The team needs young, athletic, super fit players with a fair chunk of their career, and their best form, ahead of them and not players for who Everton is a comfortable last hurrah!

Lol – why the fuck would Moyes come here?

Colin(#69); That Chris P. Bacon has gone to Germany, a club on the Rhined, apparently.

Strong rumour that Bill has lined up a smash and grab raid for Rooney with Dunc as assistant as he has been told he has done well at Derbies.

I want Ancelotti out. A dinosaur who is out of touch with modern day football. Under no circumstances do I want him as manager next season".. . . . . . . . "Cheeky fucker is treating the club shabbily by leaving."

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," I want Ancelotti out. A dinosaur who is out of touch with modern day football. Under no circumstances do I want him as manager next season".. . . . . . . . "Cheeky fucker is treating the club shabbily by leaving"

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We have a DOF, therefore any incoming manager if we end up needing one, should be told that Brands will bring in the players and it's your job as the manager to manage them. Obviously, there has to be consultation between Brands and the manager, but we can't have any manager dictating which players we sign, particularly in the higher age group, unless of course, we remove the position of DOF, which if a manager like Moyes came in would be probably the only way he'd take us on again.

Coincidentally West Ham is looking for a Director of Football, even if Moyes renews his contract with them.

If Moyes is to be considered, then it's clear who is pulling all the strings. Fuck me, I'm surprised Rooney hasn't been mentioned as a possible replacement if the teary eyed one is involved.

We are approaching the best day in the Club's history since we won the Cup in 95.

Alan, Rooney would be a rasher decision than Chris P. Bacon.

Ian, why so provocative mate ?

Ian,

You havent jumped off the top balcony stand have you?

Colin 103

Haha perfect

Thomas, wishful thinking mate!!

Need Carlo out asap time is of the essence now.

The huge issue with Carlo and previous appointments is the arsing around early doors none of them grasp the scale of the problem till it bites them on the arse 6 months later. The new guy needs to be briefed that only a handful have potential beyond mid table - Digne, DCL, Mina and perhaps Richarlison and Pickford. It needs resolving asap preferably before the first game of the season.

We need Carlo's decision pronto.

This is all a bit shocking to say the least. Carlo going, Moyes coming back if reports are to be believed. Hang on to yer hats!

Will it be Bill's (wet) dream team of Rooney/Ferguson/Cahill? Can he persuade the Moyesiah to return? Is Dave Hickson still alive?

Absolute laughing stock this football club. I'm glad I saw us win things because it won't be happening again for a long long time.

Now Ian's big moment as it might actually happen- who do you want as manager?

Wow, this really seems to have taken off.

I was in two minds about running it, then I saw Lyndon had updated the original rumour – although I can't figure out why it's displaying the original date at the top.

Quite a slap in the face for Everton if he goes, even though I think he has been poor in motivating our players and figuring out tactics that work for them. Not much to ask from such a great man.

Can we have a comedy poll pls Michael?

Will Mahon (134),

Don't bring me in to this argument. I'm not interested n the job either :)

Decent bet... Lampard to his boyhood club...Moyes back to us with a fistful of knives for the gunfight.

Ffs can it get more depressing

Apparently Everton FC are locked in talks with Carlo to persuade him to stay - what is the point, if he did stay his heart will not be in the job. If someone wants to go let them and get someone in who wants to be there

Big Dunc as the new number 2?

If Ancelotti stays, his position will be hugely strengthened and his transfer budget will be increased significantly!

If it wasn't true don't you think the club and Carlo himself would have come out and quashed the rumours already.

This story even seems to be visible from space, can all the media outlets be wrong ? I am sure we will know in 24 hours.
If it happens then maybe Nuno has been the target all along knowing that Zidane was leaving and Carlo was wanted he left Wolves to bide his time.
I do know this we need a manager who will get the squad fit, organised and where everyone knows their role what is required of them.

Marc @147
Totally agree we don't want anyone at the club who would prefer to move elsewhere. I suppose it would be inevitable that the club would try and hold on to Carlo or at least appear to do so.

Everton trying to prevent move

This Fabrizio Romano seems to think it's all completed

Carlo Ancelotti to Real Madrid, here we go! The agreement on the termination of his contract with #EFC is set to be completed, the two clubs are in direct contact then Carlo will re-join Real Madrid.

I think it'll be Moyes. Kenwright will speak to Dunc Seamus Baines Unsy and they will all come back saying bring him back. The argument that the players aren't fit, and that we need somebody good in the transfer market, and a safe pair of hands will be made. Bill can now say that he got them Europe last year, unlike Carlo. And I think Moyes would like to move back to Preston (if he ever left) and get out of the way of the Porn Barons.

Rumours come and go but some stick like shit to a blanket and eventually prove to be true – such as this rumour.

It will be a sad day for EFC because, despite the lack of success thus far, his name caused us to be linked with the better class of player and the next appointment in that regard will be a step down.

At least if it is the Nuno chap recently of Wolves, he just might get a tune out of Gomes and bring in one or two more of his diamonds such as quality players he has brought over like Jota, Neto and Jiminez. We can live in hope.

I'm hearing he's agreed to leave. Staggered to be honest. Thought he had his heart set on a project. Where does that leave us now ? in the mire I guess but whilst I have been proud to have him at our club I've sensed he's somewhat over the hill and we have not improved under him. He's attracted some big names but the football has been woeful at times. WHO'S NEXT ?

This looks pretty definite though.

Fabrizio Romano on Twitter

Barry @152

I do truly believe that we had Carlo at the wrong time, he is not used to managing a club with a few mediocre players. He has always had top players to work with.

I think we should be looking at someone who will get the club in the Top 4 first, something like Rogers has done at Leicester, win something then maybe in a few years time with a better calibre of players look at a manager Carlo's level.

It is confirmed. Ancelotti is out. Fabrizio never gets it wrong.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

James will certainly leave. We are in a mess.

Zidane might like the Gormley statues?

Looks like Eddie Howe it is then according to a lot of reports - Everton in advanced talks with him.

Lampard was a great player but he's done nothing to suggest he's anything other than a very ordinary manager.

Farke, Potter, Dyche are more in the category of managers that genuinely improve players and get a tune out of shit.

Santo has proved he can coach a conveyor belt of Mino Raiola clients to good effect.

Martinez may have matured a bit but probably wants the Spurs job (as will most of the better candidates).

Failing that, probably some nauseating links to Steven Gerrard and, less nauseating, the likes of Ten Haag (Ajax), Amorim (Lisbon) and Galtier (Lille).

None of these look like a great fit - even for those who have a different opinion of Lampard he doesn't really look like an obvious choice. Dyche is probably the best qualified but not really an appealing prospect.

Not a chance these wanting the manager out will name his successor. They risk putting themselves up to be pulled if their choice of manager fails.

The new manager will not get us in the Champions League in his first season. The new manager will not win us a trophy in his first season.

Sack him before he gets the job. Save everyone a bit of time.

Is this why Eddie Howe turned down the Celtic job?

Mark @156, I can't argue with any of that, and I'm a bit surprised Real are so keen to have him. But it is a much better fit for him than Everton.

The main problem for a new manager would be an utterly shit squad, who neither have the quality to control games, nor the energy to get in the faces of the opposition and rattle them.

He'll either have to build a team around Richarlison, or around Tom Davies to get either of those elements. Which is not something that fills me with confidence.

Offer Poch the world, and a big house in Crosby.

Our wonderful game is becoming a disheartening fucking soap opera. Bread & Circuses by dint of global business.

Truth is, we can effectively discount differences of opinion on Ancelotti as a manger. Let's say we were flying, and everyone wanted Carlo to stay, so what? Chances are approaches like this would be even more likely to happen.

I have been a little disappointed in Ancelotti in some regard, not in others. There's no certain reading of the future but the probability that things may greatly improve over a period, is higher by a mile with this guy than anyone we've had in recent years.

"Instant" success just isn't a thing without City-type money. What a world we are in where being "Just" a billionaire rather than a multi-billionaire is inadequate to fight on an equal footing. And where the patience and understanding of this fact is equally absent.

Hope we all enjoyed the concepts of stability and continuity in our clubs/sport, because they've gone, expunged from the lexicon by global corporate interest.

Five minutes back, the Euro Renegades were apparently reigned in. Er... not really, it seems. On with the plunder. The gap is just going to get wider. Look at the transfer rumours around the "Big" clubs, the fees mooted.

"They" will likely get their super league in the end; it will just exist permanently and out of reach at the top of the various existing leagues. All very sad.

Doubt Everton are in advanced talks with Howe if 10 minutes ago they were locked in talks trying to get Carlo to stay.

Mark @167

Looks that way, there are loads of stories coming out now that he is in advanced talks with Everton

Absolutely, Thomas. Lots of people know better – until you ask them what they know.

Mind you, TalkSport just said Nuno is our Number One target now! Oh, the rumour mill!!!

I'll have £1 on Howe and 50p each way on Santo.

Whoever is appointed should be sacked!

Nuno Espirito Santo, come on down.

Thomas,

I have on good authority from Darren the new manager is a busted flush but that's the only clue he gave me.

Alan @ 147,

Looking at some of the other candidates touted, you may well get a shot, whether you like it or not!

Poch and Kane to Goodison.

"Mark, wake up, Mr Ryan, wake up... "

Oh no, what a shambles... dreading the next few weeks already...

Kieran,

Not if it's Eddie Howe. Darren rates him highly.

Carlo realising he can't polish the Everton turd. We're a basket case of a club and even he can't raise the dead.

It's Nuno.

Ian Edwards for manager please.

Great news. Will save us paying out all of his contract when we need to get rid at Christmas. We actually might get a football coach in because for the life of me, I don't know what Carlo is.

I'd be happy Potter or Bielsa. Howe underwhelms but I actually think he's a very intelligent man and wouldn't write him off. Whoever we get, needs to be a tracksuit manager.

Kevin Molloy you're missing your vocation. World class speculation and rumour mongering in all your posts today. You should set up your own clickbait football rumour bait. You'd be quids in.

'Paul Joyce has just confirmed it.'

That would be the RS leaning Paul Joyce who in October had a hissy fit with Carlo in a presser after the Goodison derby because our manager had the audacity to describe the Pickford-VDD clash as a football incident, simultaneously mentioning that James had picked up an injury early on by the flying Dutchman.

Pinch of salt.

I'd take Nuno Santo over Eddie Howe. Lots of decent Portuguese players out there that he could bring in, and he'd probably get a tune out of Richarlison.

Bielsa would be fun. Don't suppose Leeds would be happy to part with him though.

If Carlo leaves as seems more likely than not, what's the betting that Everton FC drags the appointment of his replacement until well into the summer?

Due to the disruption, some of our better players such as Richarlison and Digne decide to seek pastures new and the new Everton boss is landed with huge problems before he even gets his foot in the door.

Wouldn't surprise me if Richarlison joined Real Madrid as part of the 'compensation package', as someone tweeted if Everton FC was an animal you'd put it out of its misery.

The Italian journo hasn't confirmed he's going. Nothing agreed yet.

If it does, at least we won't need to pay compo if it's Nuno or Howe. I rate Nuno and while I like Howe, he could be another Martinez clone who doesn't have a plan B.

Bring back the new improved Davy Moyes who now brings a sword to a gunfight.

Good enough for Real Madrid but not good enough for a mid table English team?

Everton's last 4 permanent managers' reigns:

Ronald Koeman - 1 year 131 days
Sam Allardyce - 167 days
Marco Silva - 1 year 188 days
Carlo Ancelotti - 1 year 162 days?

There is the problem right there.

Says it all really no one gives a fuck Don Carlo is going.

Blessing in disguise this plus there are a few managers available at the mo.

Whatever happened to Enrique the old Barca manager.

Personally I'd like to see what Moyes could do with more money.

I thought this was all just good old fashioned paper talk but I'm getting messages from mates abroad saying sorry about Carlo leaving. Jeez.

Just had a Media interview and was told " 95% certain Ancelotti will go to RM - - media informed within last hour " - - my Interview will be on Capital radio later today. Quoted ToffeeWeb as always as the font of all knowledge.

Not a good look is it when you see how long each of Martinez's replacements lasted. According to Everton Statto, Everton's last 4 permanent managers' reigns:
Ronald Koeman - 1 year 131 days
Sam Allardyce - 167 days
Marco Silva - 1 year 188 days
Carlo Ancelotti - 1 year 162 days

I've heard that it's Moyes nailed on cert.

He's been delaying signing for the Hammers as he's been talking to BK and Moshiri.

All hail the return of the Moyesiah

Guess it explains Howe's reluctance to sign the papers at Celtic ?

Time for Ian Edward's to move from critic to visionary - WHO DO YOU WANT AS MANAGER?

So to all those that said CA was only here for an easy pension. No longer had the drive or ambition to compete at the top. He clearly wants to rejoin the most pressure driven job in world football at a time when RM need to rebuild like never before.
So if that doesn't show ambition and self belief I don't know what does.
But all Carlo wanted was a last cushy number with Everton according to some on here.
Where does the club go now?

Jeez, typical so much for building a foundation, “the project”, but the media circus seem to be on a frenzy on this one.

Moshiri would have to be asking questions, but also the house burglary and robbery and perhaps other matters may be brought into account.

Well I had no expectations in this transfer window, as it's every player going linked with Everton, but I hope that they don't go for Moyes if this sketch turns out to be true.

Daniel @195

David Prentice has said that replacement talk is premature and also David Moyes is wide off the mark

Probably a done deal, who would turn down Real in favour of us let's be honest, so no hostility towards Carlo from me.

All those whinging about what a shit manager he is, a dinosaur etc. will get their wish and we're back to square one all over again, new manager, new players, new budget demands, new staff. When we will ever learn that chopping and changing is the root cause of our problem. For the first time in decades we bring someone in who has the capabilities to build something significant, but no, people scream the place down because it's not an instant fix.

A sad day if (when) he goes.

I may have got a LITTLE carried away Jay, but if you can't speculate on days like today when can you..

Eddie Howe? Another manager with "Premier League experience".

Of getting relegated. Haven't we tried two of those recently?

Moyes? No thanks. We've been there before. Won nothing and gradually had our expectation played down.

I hope this isn't true but it's growing traction.

I'll say it again. Regardless of the manager. Get better players.

If Fabrizio Romano's reporting it, it means it's probably true Carlo's gone. Now comes my nearly annual suggestion that we should appoint Marcelino, which at this point probably makes me look like a madman, his agent, or his mom.

Rudy @156
In the modern world, it's possible you could be all three :)

Danny, Moyes walked out on us once, he can stay where he is as far as I'm concerned.

The only time Everton have won silverware since the war is when an ex-Everton player has been the manager. Arteta is probably out of the question, but step forward Big Dunc, together with a very savvy assistant.

I don't like that perspective Jimmy, although clearly everyone is entitled to it.

I hate using them as an example, but it took Liverpool to step out of the boot room mentality and reinvent themselves in the modern game to win stuff again.

If we think that Evertonians (mostly non native ones) will only ever win us trophies, we'll probably never win anything ever again.

I don't care where the manager comes from or who he's played for and whether he's played for Everton. Klopp never played for Liverpool. Ferguson never played for United. Mourinho never played for Chelsea and Wenger never played for Arsenal. Pep never played for City or Bayern Munich.

As always, first and foremost you need the players. But then if you want to succeed now, you need a fairly big name manager. Chelsea has just proven that. Lampard may have the potential, but it took Tuchel to come in and get a tune out of it.

Why would any half decent manager come here, after one defeat they're pulled apart on here. Same as the players.

If Madrid have made an approach I can only see one scenario as nobody says no to Madrid.

If Carlo departs then the best of luck to the new manage as he will be taking over an absolute mess of a club. It will be some challenge to move the club forward, therefore, no matter who takes over, be it Nuno, Howe, Moyes, Potter, another world class German coach, I wish them well.

Of the candidates mentioned I think Nuno offers the best hope of success.

I don't think Moyes will leave West Ham, not with them in Europe and things having gone so well for him there. He might use the situation to improve his contract and his bargaining power regarding future transfers.

Not bothered if he does go, Carlos gravitas still got us 10th and the football was dire! There is no chance he would have got the spends to by the players he would require, to get us challenging again. We need someone who can get the best out of what's at their disposal and sadly - Carlo didn't know what to do with our lot. Does that make him a bad manager? No, just the wrong one for this particular job.

If Ancelotti goes, there'll be him at Real, Koeman at Barca and Martinez as manager of the number one international side, Belgium. All were not exactly successful at Goodison. Interesting.

Quite right Keith, I actually think some people would prefer to see us fail so they can get their full moans in. It's a bit like these Arsenal TV types, they make more money when they lose.

Keith @161
I really don't believe anyone employed in the game, at the highest levels, really concerns themselves with what us mere mortals have to say, be it good or bad. It's the large amounts of money on offer that they look forward to and if they get praise along the way that's a bonus. I had admired Carlo and thought he might do something for Everton but he has shown himself to be yet another mercenary in a pantheon of mercenaries.

Whoever Everton appoints to replace Carlo, I don't want to hear 'family club', 'nice place to work' etc I want to hear I'm here to win as many games for Everton as is humanly possible. All the other soundbites are meaningless.

Go get Christophe Galtier. Did a remarkable job with Lille, winning Ligue 1. Wonder if he is capable of doing something similar here.

"Everton are talking to a big name to replace Ancelotti".
Nuno Herlander Simões Espírito Santo! There is a big name for ya!!!

Because they didn't have the players Rick Tarleton.

Ultimately, you need the players.

Barry @167

Absolutely agree, problem is though its Kenwright most of the time that keeps saying family club, nice club etc.. and also keeps employing ex players because he loves being sentimental regardless if any of those ex players can actually coach!

Well either way it's the most exciting thing that's happened since he took over.

One lighter note. Whatever happens everyone, we'll all still be here!!!

I can't believe we are being linked with the likes of Moyes and Howe again ffs! Kenwright out.

Rick: @ 165. I was just about to write that. So fucking Everton.

Soren

I know ffs why not get Mike Walker if their the options

Marc Hints nailed it: as much as most Evertonians are positive about Carlo, nobody is bigger than the club and if he wants to go Everton is better off without him. We need players, managers, coaches who, as well as being good at their job, really want to be at Everton.

The phrase “world class” gets bandied about in relation to Carlo but if it's true that he's asked to go, and I believe it is, there is nothing class about that at all.

It will completely wreck our summer transfer strategy if this happens and the club didn't know/plan for it.

Kieran, if Walker was available, we would have been linked with him too lol.

Gerard

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, a bereavement, a house break in, coupled with an underperforming team. Some times when you're down the grass looks greener.

Surely Benitez has to be the obvious choice when Ancelotti leaves and the speculation window opens.

Kieran did you have to?!!!

Mike Walker. Done well with provincial Norwich and at the time the latest, greatest darling of the English media.

That went well didn't it?!!

Watch the media clamour for Howe now.

If you want loyalty - get a dog! Not sure why I even have an interest anymore!

Bielsa would be my No.1. How exciting would the ball be to watch. I'm so sick of watching poor football. Last time we saw anything decent was in RM first Season. No chance of course, we will end up with Big Sam again, he is available after all.

Exactly Barry Williams.

My dogs are with me every morning at 6am listening, agreeing and nodding as I vent about Everton!

Really they just want the cheese cubes I take with me, but I have to believe in their loyalty to me . and Everton.

Gerard @177

Thanks, pointless keeping him and as you say nobody is bigger than the club. Its better having someone who wants to be there and is a good coach.

FFS, Gerrard is being linked now. Done well in the Scottish Sunday league, but can he handle the intensity and pressure of the English premier league? Let the RS find that out.

Give Bielsa or Rodgers(!) a blank cheque. Failing those, Graham Potter would be a good appointment – i'd have thought Moshiri will be after a 'name', however. Wouldn't mind Lampard either, he had Chelsea playing some good stuff at times and they were a little unfair to him in the end.

Gutted if this turns out to be true.

I have a feeling that the next manager will either take us to the promised land or be the final nail in the Everton project.

How the devil enjoys making the dark side happy, Everton's form tails off in the closing months, culminating in a humiliating defeat at the Etihad, his faves make third place in the table and the two manc clubs get done in their respective European finals and now our first and possibly only world-renowned manager jumps ship at the first opportunity. I would imagine even the most optimistic Kopite can't believe those events actually happened.

Available coaches. Take your pick fellas lol:

RAFA BENITEZ
ATONIO CONTE
CHRIS WILDER
EDDIE HOWE
MARCO SILVA
LEONARDO JARDIM
BRUNO LAGE
JURGEN KLINSMANN
BRUNO LABBADIA
LUCIEN FAVRE
MAURIZIO SARRI
FRANK LAMPARD
ERNESTO VALVERDE
PATRICK VIERA
SAM ALLARDYCE
ALEX NEIL
TONY PULIS
DAVID WAGNER
GUS POYET
OSCAR GARCIA
NEIL LENNON
MARK HUGHES

Think a little perspective needs to be put on the situation. The owner has squandered a good few quid on different approaches to get us challenging again..

None have worked, but over time the expectation level has risen! The money spend is a lot but nowhere near enough to buy success.

In reality, Everton are a top 10 team nothing less- nothing more. The gap between our good selves and those in the top 4 is millions!

This project still is very much in it's infancy and the long game is what it's about. The trouble is we expect too much and lose sight of the level we are really at.

Rob. Go and get washing liquid, clean your mouth out and then go straight to Mass for confession!!

Okay, different spin on this. Has the club decided to move here? This club will never fail to break my hope, but I wonder how much of a "mutual agreement" aspect could be in this.

Especially if there's any truth in the poster above's statement that we're already in talks with a big name replacement.

Just please do not dress up Moyes or Howe as a big name. Don't let Kenwright near this one.

Greg O'Keefe tweeted Everton has a long list of names including Benitez and Gerrard. As Greg notes the day gets more surreal.

Soren - got to be the return of Marco "Stan Laurel" Silva, if we can't get Super Steve Cooper. Or how about Pulis?

Can we please stop mentioning Howe and Potter, they are not managers of any substance or pedigree.
Someone posted Howe was an intelligent man, so was Einstein but he knew fuckall about football.
I'm shit scared at the moment, have visions of BK at a presser all teary eyed flaunting our latest fucking waste of a contract.
Im am genuinely scared as well lads.

Soren, a veritable House of Horrors that lot. Tony Pulis? Is he still alive?🤣🤣

Okay, if this happens, here's an outside shot.

The Brentford manager.

You go one way or the other. Up and coming or established and experienced.

Experienced; I'd go for Benitez. I'll now go and get the washing up liquid and tooth brush!

But ultimately, give the coach the players. Players win matches.

I don't want more managerial instability just now but if he does go, it might as well be now. Aside from the hefty compensation due, it means that the new manager will get his own budget to replace some of the players. Better now than halfway through a season when a new manager would inherit players he doesn't fancy.

It would also have the spinoff benefit of putting an end to Mr Hind's Ancelotti Out campaign! Till the next manager at least!

Will (195), Pulis, Silva, etc. They are finished. Steve Cooper!? No thanks lol.

What we can be sure of is that we will go for an out of work dude this time if indeed Ancelotti goes.

I am holding my powder dry at the moment until something concrete is confirmed although I am told there is a bunch of Spanish reporters hovering around GP to confirm the outcome. Perhaps some of our local lads can confirm.

Phil jagielka released by Sheff Utd. Kenwright already on the phone to him, offering him the managers job.

So if he joins Real, will he still be espousing the need for bans and points losses?

If Moyes goes back to Goodison then so will my season ticket.

Thomas Franke from Brentford would be my choice, although wouldn't be upset if it was Lampard, at least some of the kids would get a chance.

Soren, just to clarify, as it's vitally important - I wasn't serious.

I don't want Nuno. He's more negative than Ancelotti.

we're a laughing stock and Ancelotti is a ffing tosser.
Why the fk do journalist keep on mentioning Moyes and Benitez?

will we ever amount to anything again?
why do we bother?

Sky Sports reporting it's 99% done

Barry - of course not. Never underestimate the vast reserves of easy hypocrisy in football.

Lampard for me. Will be a perfect fit with the Everton project.

Farhad is letting Blue Bill handle this one and I've just come from Bill's office, I can confirm most of the paperwork is complete and the new manager being appointed tomorrow will be Pep Guardiola.

Bill just has to finish up the compensation package with the Sheikh (Bill offered over 1 million Pesos) and by tomorrow, Bill will have Pep in front of the cameras will the new away shirt in hand.

Bill also had a long discussion with another leading candidate Antonio Conte, who was also locked in discussions with Bill but he didn't match the ambition of Bill as he's only won the league in two countries, also he was rather rude when listening to Bill reminiscing about his time in the boys pen.

I can also confirm Moyes, was also having talks with Bill and Bill really liked his game plan for "getting out alive" at Mordor and Old Trafford but he's very much second choice and provided no last minute hiccups with the Pep deal he won't be returning as manager.

Will, Yes. My post was meant to be agreed with you but somehow it didn't lol. My apology.

Who do you want Ian?

Andrew - media eh!

I wonder how they were able to gauge when it went from 98 to 99%.

That's an interesting shout Ian. Some of the in-laws are big Wolves fans, have been all their lives and love what he's done for them.

I'll admit, not followed them a lot as most of the inherited family are Villa, but when I have seen them over the past few years, they've played some good stuff. Their midfielders in particular have played positive football.

Admittedly, they had a poor season this year. Worse than ours.

But I'll agree. I don't know why, but I just don't instinctively see a connection there for him to be Everton manager.

Matt (212), Is Pep in the building?

Only one man with the pedigree that Everton deserves.
Gary Megson...come on down

Will Mabon - 215

or 499.99% done deal, using modern parlance!

If anybody is going to the Freshy this afternoon, can they please get Richard Dodd's take on Moyes' return ?

Dave @ 197

It was me that said Howe was an intelligent man. I could add hungry, motivated and meticulous to that list of adjectives. I'd have concerns about his flexibility though, as others have mentioned.

As for Potter. Brighton had the forth highest XP in the league last year. They create chances and play great football. Most of the players on the team have increased in value, some considerably. He's made Brighton a fairly comfortable Premier League side and his career is on an upward curve. Young, hungry and yes, wait for it. . . Bright!

Congratulations Darren and Ian. Now we can move on lads. Who next though?

Scary times. I just hope the new man has the power and courage to tell Moshiri what players he wants.

No way do I want to see an Eddie Howe steady type with Brands bringing the likes of McNeil in for him as top players.

Barry, yes.

500 the latest one, replacing the previous favourite, "110%".

Steve # 214. Ask the Pope, you'll likely get a reply from him!!

Soren, some interesting names on that list. Benitez, Conte, Jardim and Favre have the best credentials. The others look more like the standard Watford used to hire and sack repeatedly. It would seriously gall me to appoint Benitez and it's not like he's achieved anything for years. Conte looks more like a manager who'd want a bigger budget than we've got. Jardim hasn't really done anything since Monaco sold all their marvellous players about 4 years ago. Favre is now 63 and is probably too old to debut in the Premier League, albeit built a very good Monchengladbach side.

So I still like Ten Haag the best but we seem to now be the ruin of many a manager. Whether it would work out is anyone's guess.

I've just been looking at the Wolves' fans take on this. They all seem to love Nuno and were gutted when he was linked with Palace. But they generally seem to think Everton is a better fit and makes sense for him and the club.

Here's one quote:
"Would be just what Everton need to be honest, though I don't think the way we played last season will excite their fans. However we were electric for large parts of our first two seasons back in the PL."

They also seem to think we'd be in for Neves.

Gary Megson! How about McCall?

Michael, maybe go back and sign Raul Jiminez as well? Can leave Adama Traore where he is though.

Problem is Conor we are a shit show.

Why would the Brentford manager leave after taking them up?
Why would Potter leave a stable club for us?

My money is still on Dour Dave with Lampard going back to his boyhood club... these are very scary times for us.

For the record I would like Nuno, he's suffered a poor season and a lot of injuries to boot and still managed a decent placing all considered.

Rob @ 224, you are correct! But I will keep asking. Perhaps the other arch critics would like to contribute a name?

If you look what's happened over the last few weeks, it would seem that this was something that was being discussed for. just look at the display against City and the reaction. Howe pulling out of the Celtic job is also interesting although that could be a red herring

Shit, back to fish puns now

Anthony - scale it down a bit.

Rob H, can you use the excuse of taking the dog for a walk to pop round to Seamus's place and get us the inside story from FInch Farm?

If Moshiri really is serious about making Everton a force in English football, perhaps this is an opportune moment to have a complete re-shuffle of the club, time for him to take control of his hobby and become proactive in events at Goodison rather than reacting to stuff.

If we stumble on as a club the way we have for the last few years, regardless of who we appoint as manager, there is only one likely destination and it isn't Bramley Moore.

The wheels are falling off at Everton if this happens, even with the muted USM money underlying the project, we'll struggle to compete in the medium-term if managers like Ancelotti can and want to leave for jobs elsewhere so quickly. It sends out all the wrong messages.

Ferguson and Jagielka.

Duncan can enthuse everyone for a game or two before realising the players aren't good enough.

Jagielka can put his arm around the players when they haven't performed and tell them it's okay, don't listen to the nasty crowd. "Don't listen to them Ross" or whatever it was he said.

If we revert to type here I will be fuming. If this is happening, we had best be thinking externally.

There are enough sentinmental old boys in the system. Move on Everton.

James Vaughan just announced his retirement from playing age 32.

Coincidence? Lol

Anthony #231.

You seem like you are really in tuna with everything that's going on.

I can only think that the club have showed no resistance or determination to may be keeping Carlo and if that is the case then maybe either they weren't satisfied with the way the Carlo project was going, ie, quality of football, or maybe the players he wanted to sign were going against what Brands was trying to do.

The reason I am looking at it in that way is because only very recently he quashed these rumours stating he was happy at Everton Football Club.
If this is true, I will be sad because it means maybe ripping up one plan and having to start another which puts us back in both terms of recruitment strategies and players wanting to sign who now, without Carlo, may not want to.

If it's true, I wish him a fond Farewell.

Barry, I don't think he is. He is here to build the stadium and sell for a profit.

Klinsmann seen in duty free at John Lennon Airport apparently.

In all seriousness, though, if he goes, he goes. Get someone else in and give them our full support. If Carlo stays, we also give him our full support. Football and life move on.

17th is going to be a push next season. Carlo's signings won't be happy. Half the squad needs the boot.

New manager will want new players and we all know how long that takes at EFC.

Eddie Howe is awful. It will be as funny as fuck if it's Moyes tho… just to see the faces on the "Kenwright isn't involved anymore" sheep.

Absolute laughing stock of a football club.

I hope the players are having a long hard look at themselves as, yes, most of them are average at best but the lack of effort and lack of basic skills must surely be in Carlo's mind when considering this one

Win-win for the players as they get at least another year to convince a new manager of how bad they are.

Next season in the balance on a personal note.
Like banging your head against a brick wall repeatedly. Then still coming back for more.

Conte or Poch would be the ideals if Moshiri still has Champions League aspirations. We had that with Carlo but there was always the argument that he wasn't at the right age to build a team and we would continue to buy more players with no sell on value which seems at odds with Brands.

I think it's telling if we don't stand in his way. While we had some great moments last season but I can't help thinking Moshiri would be concerned by the home form and where we eventually finished. If we had a poor start next season like Koeman and Silva in their 2nd season it would be a massive pay out if Carlo was sacked.

I'd love us to aim for the stars again, but the next appointment will probably be Howe, Moyes or Nuno.

Dave @229,

I never mentioned the Brentford manager but just so we are clear, you don't think himself or Potter would leave Brentford or Brighton respectively, to become Everton Manager???

As it stands today, we are still a step-up from these teams. The fact that those two clubs are even in the same league as Everton, literally and figuratively, is a testament to the managers.

And I'm also in the camp that would welcome Moyes back. It should have been Moyes after Koeman.

Nick @242.

Carlo's signings won't be happy alongside Bobby's. The big guy who was really working at Barca all the time's players, Gravyboat Sam's, and Marco Copper's too.

We'll have a squad made up of players brought in on separate promises, styles and intentions that never materialised.

I'll be honest and say I really don't care if Carlo stays or goes, the football has been just as shit under him as it was under Allardyce and none of the players look to have improved under his tutelage.

We can't compete due to the crazy money the top clubs spend and the Premier League no longer holds any interest to me – what's the point anymore? Football is dying, at least top-flight footy is. My kids have no interest in watching players roll around cheating and faking. I might as well quit my habit now and move on.

I think someone already mentioned it, but we've had so many coaches with different styles in the last few years. Every time one leaves, the team gets more disjointed because the next manager has to try and build a team with the last manager's players.

Granted, there are not a lot of options out there right now, but I think the next appointment has got to be someone who can work with the team we have right now (albeit with hopefully a few additions like a right full-back and right-winger). I fear another attempt at a full upheaval will just be a waste of time.

So, I think that means someone who will continue to prioritize defensive solidity (as much as we want free-flowing, attacking football), while hopefully being able to provide service to our attackers through, at the very least, quick, powerful counters (assuming we can't keep sustained possession up the pitch). While I suggested his name with tongue firmly in cheek, Marcelino may actually fit that bill.

If we can't find someone with a "name", though, perhaps appointing Big Dunc may not be the worst option. It struck me that in a recent interview, Calvert-Lewin said his favorite Everton game thus far was the one where we beat Chelsea because Dunc was so passionate on the sidelines. He clearly has a connection with the young players, so it may not be the craziest idea.

Don't think I've been this gutted being an Everton fan for years. Constantly let us down over the years. We are a shambles.

This is a disaster for the club. Now we have crossed the line from 'serious' back to 'joke'. We must never again appoint a manager like Ancelotti with an impossible target with the tools available to him.

I believe that we should go young and English, like Potter or Parker (for example), with potential and develop him, they can be no worse than the failures that we've taken on and made rich.

We aren't a Champions League side and are years away so why appoint a proven Champions League Manager. I personally would welcome Gerrard.

Martin,

Ancelotti is too big for Everton. Let's get one of the new kids on the block. (Thats not a dig at you, Martin.)

If he goes, and I don't want him to go, then Nuno Espírito Santo will do for me.

Not Eddie Howe in a million years. Definitely not up to the job and would be fighting relegation by the end of the season.

For me, it would be Bielsa, Moyes or Nagelsmann (if he would come to us).

Very few good managers around so, after that, it would be a difficult job finding anyone decent enough to get us anywhere near Europe.

COYB

Not good news if it turns out to be true.

But Diego Martinez has not renewed with Granada & is looking for a new project. As a Granada season ticket holder I can say he did a good job with little money.

His Granada team did a better job home & away against Man Utd than we did. Just another name to add to the pot.

Everton should say: "Carlo, you have a contract – we expect you to honour it!!!"

What next for James and Allan??? This will be catastrophic for Everton.

We will be relegation candidates, forget the stadium as well.

Thomas @252,

I agree with you completely.

Very bad outcome if true. I only wish it was equal easy to get rid of all our deadwood. The difference is suppose nobody wants it... After Moyes It seems we can't stick with a manager for long, I just hope we get the right compensation and don't hire Moyes, howe etc... We for sure won't get someone as successful as Ancelotti but that doesn't mean whoever gets the job won't have success.

Simple fact is, just as we can't keep big-name players, if this happens, we can't keep a big-name manager.

So it makes us small-time, which some would rather have.

Let's be small Everton with our Everton only hierarchy that we criticise but then want an Everton only dugout along with Everton only players on the pitch.

Sorry. I'm very disappointed and angry about this development as much as I've no doubt some will be happy. As long as we can carry on being plucky Everton. Fuck me the Kopites will be happy with this.

We had best come up with a suitable replacement and in my opinion, that had best not be Eddie Howe, Duncan Ferguson, David Unsworth and god forbid, David Moyes. Take ownership, Mr Moshiri.

Conor, I never said "you", or named anyone else for that matter who mentioned any manager.

A few posters have bandied the same names, all of who IMO (I stress) would be unsuitable or would not leave their respective clubs.

The Brentford manager has built his own squad and would surely want to see what he can do in the Premier League with them. Potter appears to be decent and loyal man who is building a project in his own way, the way he did in Scandinavia.

We have to lose this perceived "Big club" mindset, we are also-rans and have been for years.

I say that with a heavy heart because, at 60 years old, I've seen us win domestic leagues, cups and European trophies.

Don't let this knock us back. Go straight in for Conte and keep the whole process on track. The players will be happy and Conte will attract further quality players.

It will work out better for us and better for Ancelotti.

Think this has been brewing for a while, and could well explain the utter collapse in the last two months.

If he leaves it's an absolute disaster. Anyone who has wanted this outcome is simply nuts. James won't want to stay. Allan is unlikely to want to stick around, and I'd hazard a guess Richie will want a move off the back of it too (albeit he has a World Cup to worry about so we have some leverage against form).

Like them or not, we have enough to do with the squad without losing those lot as well. New manager will also need time to assess the squad, which will mean left over transfer pickings later on in the window. The message it sends to prospective new players is horrendous too.

Moving forward the manager options all have problems:

Howe - took club down despite money
Nuno - Wolves fed by an agent.
Moyes - would divide us all
Rafa - see Moyes
Ferguson - players big brother.
Lampard - what makes him any better than a Tim Cahill.
Martinez 2 - after euros is too late and has he learned to defend?
“Another big name” - to be Ancelotti'd again in 18 months?

It's a horror show every way you look at it. The only ones I can see without too much baggage would be potter and Dyche….and half of us will moan about them being lower team managers. Don't think we have a choice but to gamble again. Scary times.

Does anyone have a clue they can lend Moshiri?

This is four managers he "really wanted" and it hasn't worked yet.

Paul #253, I've got a mate who supports Wolves and he was gutted that Nuno left and that's the consensus of the majority of their fans. Apparently he's a really classy guy as well as good manager. He donated his wages to food banks during lock down. His only criticism of Nuno was the style of football, but he did say that had more to do with injuries this season.

To all of those people who say it's about the players, yes, well, up to a point.

All of our managers signed players, but the art of management in any field is to make the best of your resources. Every manager can't have a billion pounds to spend on his fantasy eleven and, at the same time, sell on the players he now decides he doesn't want from the ancien regime.

Whoever comes in may have to make Rodriguez more resilient, Doucouré more skilful, Iwobi... just more. If resources were unlimited, each manager could sign their fantasy side and it might be quite easy. Read Paul the Esk's brilliant article on Everton's real world economics.

Whoever is the next manager has to work within restraints, has to work against the backcloth of financing and building a new stadium, and with a fair number of ageing players who will be reluctant to move on.

I think there's a case for Ferguson being given a 2-year contract. He knows what he's got and hasn't got and is, based on his short spell in charge, pragmatic and respected by the players.

This sucks!

I've heard a rumour the club have just put out a tweet: building work on the new stadium begins in August!!

Ancelotti doesn't need the money.

He's already managed Real Madrid.

He's already won everything in world football.

Why would you go back?

He could've waited his time out after Napoli for the next big job, or gone to Arsenal.

Or, has his time at Everton made him realise he's not the next Brendan Rodgers, and would rather spend his twilight years managing Galaticos?

Everton will continue without him as we have done for many many years. Players and managers come and go – it's the fans that are the lifeblood.

Who knows... this might be the making of us.

Dave Lynch. I respect your opinion and views on here but I do have do disagree.

We never stop believing we're a big club. Manchester United never did and in my childhood I didn't experience them winning the league but did see them get relegated.

That's the crux of the problem. We are a big club. We need to behave like one.

Nuno for Palace by the looks of things.

Imagining Conte... some serious ass-kicking would finally happen...

Nobody's mentioned David Unsworth as new boss...

Everton has been bold and decided to take a punt on this guy.
Exclusive

I'm watch Sky Sports News and they haven't mentioned it yet. Too busy talking about England's squad for the Euros. Like anybody cares.

Please God, let this be true... Please!!!

Wish I could think that way Danny, I really do.

Maybe today's events have coloured my thinking... I don't know? I'm just sick of being kicked in the bollocks time and time again by a club I have invested my whole life supporting and following to every corner of this continent.

I am slowly being drained of any compassion for a club that cannot get the basic principles right.

Well he hasn't improved us in any way but if he stays then he has to massively improve and has to be backed after getting rid of at least 60% of the first team squad. If he goes then use the compensation and offer the job to Steven Gérard. Looking forward to getting slaughtered!?

When he goes I look forward to your full apologies.
I have called this right from the start.
Nobody should shed any tears.
12th and 10th!
In Carlo we trust ! Seriously

The fact that Ancelotti has had to work with colleagues like Kenwright and Baxendale for 18 months probably was enough to make him think fuck this i'm no longer working with these amateurs.

Apologies? To Steve Cooper's agent? Suuuurrrrre.

The compassion and passion will never go away Dave.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending how you view it!!

Apologies for what?
Get from out your arse man.
People don't need to apologise for holding a different opinion than you, who the fuck are you?

Just posted this on another site.

"Given that RM are broke and are likely to get kicked out of European competitions,(they still haven't reneged on the ESL), are still also in dispute with the Spanish FA and may well get a points deduction - even if they stay in the Spanish League, I fail to see the attraction?
Regrettably, if Carlo does go, I have to come to the conclusion that he has been badly advised and is also a bit 'thick".

Jonathan @279

I agree with you, as I have said in another post I think he was the wrong man for Everton FC.

My choice is Conte. However if we go for potential then one opinion to seriously take into account is that of Pep Guardiola who described Potter as the best English manager in the game at the moment.

Brian 283
A few of us always held the view that Ancelotti was totally wrong.
Of course I don't need anyone to apologise but the vast majority on here said he was a great appointment.
My choice would be Graham Potter.
But I know the owners will
A make some dumb announcement about the new stadium
And follow this up with another crap appointment as manager

I wonder if Moshiri is thinking Hollywood Manager or B movie, straight to DVD

For me we should use this as an opportunity to reorganise the club with BK gone and recruitment for other places in management based on best available on the market and not just ex-Everton. We have to eliminate the poor little Everton mindset that has infected the club and develop a new positive soul. We must hire a manager who isn't foreign and has upward momentum not all success years behind him. Management is as dynamic as play and for me the age gap between coaches and players should be no more than 10 years.

"we are a big club. Whats our name"

Are we fuck. We are historically a small minded club apart from 7/8 seasons since the second world war.

We get an owner who gets the bollocks kidded off him by one of the biggest phonys I have met, thereby costing him miliions and the phony making tens of Millions.
We then get a manager beyond our dreams, while he is working his way through the abject crap squad he inherited a few Evertonians arses drop out of them.
Manager,(who doesnt need or warrant this treatment imo) decides.

Ah well. You get what you deserve and boy will you get it.

Not a time for told you so's. If only we were all prophets.

"In Moyes we trust"

"Kendall must go" (Everton fans 1983)

"Fergie Out" (United Fans 1989-ish)

Footballing prophets us lot.

Come on. Fans all get caught up in the moment and I get it's all about opinion. That's why we're here discussing. For those who predicted Carlo was wrong took a punt. Gloat as you may, changing our manager again after 18 months is not a good thing.

Matthew/Ian/Jonathan Tasker/Darren

The up side to this is that so-called "apologists" such as myself, can now forever play your game and say "what might have been?" if Carlo finished his task. If a new guy comes in and is better, we will be happy because we don't want the team to not do well. If the team is worse, we will be unhappy and we will make you miserable too by reminding you that you wanted this.

Kunal (280) 100% on the money

This could just be Mr Brands idea even if it does reek of one of Bill's cunning stunts.

Carlo goes off to Madrid with 25M in compensation coming the other way which boosts the transfer funds which are then used to purchase players for surprisingly low fees from a club in Madrid with links to the ESL.

Then Everton announce that Davide is to continue his father's work on the project while Bill pronounces that this shows that we truly are a family club and that charity really does begin at home and invites Mr Moshiri to join him on the sofa.

Finger prints or what!?!

Sky reporting that the board will meet this evening to discuss replacements.

We really have been run very badly since Moshiri took over. Until we have a better alignment between owner, Brands and manager it will get no better regardless of the manager. Moshiri, as I have said, hasn't been interested in footballing success since he realised it was all a lot more difficult than hiring Steve Walsh to find the next Kante and Mahrez. He's here to keep us relevant and build a stadium. He'll sack a manager that might take us down - but he neither (a) spends big enough to make a difference, nor (b) gives Brands the free reign to run the strategy. The consistent misalignment will continue to be the ruin of managers and disappointment of fans until probably the stadium is built.

Robert (225) Valid point. I would also add Graham Potter to our list of contenders as he appears to know how to beat the RS lol. But seriously, he is a brilliant coach imo. Bentez, Jardim (what else he could do when his brilliant team got dismantled savagely!?) and Van Tan are good choices as well however, not sure about conte.

Good he can fuck off. The italian magician that plays Doucoure right wing, Siggy left wing and left us with 1 fit right back and 1 centre forward to start the season. Played of the front foot for 7 game then had us sitting deep. Totally underperformed. His selections, tactics and subs were embarrassing.

What it means to James and Allan l couldn't care less either. I like Nuno Espirito Santa and he can bring us a present in Neto. Get him a right side and he has balance. If Carlo didn't go this way he'd be sacked by Xmas anyway. We need a manager who is totally commited and inspires the players and us fans. UTFT

Real Madrid is in trouble financially and in the cross-hairs of UEFA, Ancelotti similar to Kendall with Everton has an affinity with his former club.

Real Madrid can't afford to appoint who they would really like and even if they could they aren't as attractive to ambitious managers as they were a year ago, therefore they ask Carlo to help them out in their time of need. Carlo takes an equal risk to the one he had at Goodison and agrees to join the Spanish giants.

Conjecture on my part, however, it's probably something akin to that and he won't lose money either.

Soren #297 - isn't Van Tan a bit busy at the moment with the pandemic? I know he loves his footballing analogies but not sure that qualifies him to manage Everton!

For me it's sad times if he leaves. There's three things that I cling to, the first is that he has always said it's a long term project and something new for him that he is really enjoying and he knows he has the backing he wants.
The second is that Real Madrid, whilst an obviously attractive proposal are skint, have a massively ageing squad and he will be basically doing the same rebuild he has to do with us but at a club that will give him one season if he doesn't win the league and or European cup.
The third is that the report I read about him signing for them imminently also said we were going to bring Moyes back, who I don't believe would want to come back. Also there would hopefully be around a 20-25 million pound compensation fee that Madrid would have to pay.

If it does happen then I'd want us to be looking at Conte, proven pedigree, big name and knows how to do it in the premier league and is no nonsense with underperforming players
For a punt I'd go for the former Lille manager, Christophe Galtier, what he has achieved is fairly remarkable and he is probably one of the better up and coming managers in Europe.
Then there's the obvious links,
Nunes Espírito Santos, I would be open about him joining
Eddie Howe, I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole, just a poor mans English Roberto Martinez.
David Moyes, too divisive amongst the fan base
Rafa Benitez, see above

Total outsiders, Joachim Lowe, Vitor Pereira, Frank Lampard, Sean Dyche, Duncan Ferguson
, not sure I'd be keen on any of them other than Lowe

Kieran 292
All I want is for Everton to be successful
Whilst Kenwright is still there nobody will succeed.
Kenwright remains the biggest stumbling block.
He absolutely has to go

Yikes! Didn't see this coming. Mr Hind finally gets his wish.

I think my choice would be Graham Potter. But then was happy with Marco Silva getting the job. I prefer young coaches with an identifiable philosophy who have a hunger to succeed.

It seems to me that Potter is good at bringing on young players (Lamptey, Mcallister, Bissouma, White, Maupay) but also good at getting a tune out of older players (Welbeck, Gross, Lallana). I usually thought Brighton looked pretty decent when they played and for those who care about xG such modelling would have had Brighton actually finish around 5th in the league, so fair to say they were probably pretty unlucky not to finish higher. Potter likes developing young players and would be a good fit with Brands in theory.

Other options i'd be interested in are Conte, Gallardo, Amorim, Ten Hag, Galtier, Frank, Farke and possibly Espirito Santo.

Ferguson for me is just too unproven. I' love for him to go and coach a Championship team, do well there and then come to Everton but I just have no idea if he has the tactical nous and experience to move us forward. We've seen the likes of Lampard, Giggs, Keane etc fail to inspire; love for the club is not enough by itself.

Barry 299,

If skint would Real not be better going for a manager they will not have to pay compensation for?
£20-25 million being reported

John (254).
Nagelsmann has been appointed as Bayern's new coach so he is not a candidate anymore.

Paul#269
"Everton will continue without him as we have done for many many years."
Exactly and probably the most depressing post I've seen on here in a long time.

Managers should have some clause or the club security built into the contracts of managers. I mean we are investing millions into what Carlo wants as a club and as players over a 4. 5 year contract then overnight, cheerio? asta lavista just not right, not ethical and not of any honour. Mecenary if he is not a man of integrity and good ridenece if that is his mindset. I wonder if the players had any inkling towards the end of the season as they fell off a cliff to many times and where the opposite of the team that started the season.

Jonathan@ 279, apologies? To shatter your delusion, you didn't get anything right. The manager you claimed wasn't good enough for Everton will be hired by Real Madrid.

But at least you had the guts to put a name forward - Graham bloody Potter. He may be the usual won-nothing, relegation haunted, here today gone tomorrow loser we have hired for the last 25 years, but fair play.

All of this on Bill's anniversary too!

On 1 June 2004, Kenwright became chairman of Everton Football Club. On the same day, Trevor Birch was appointed chief executive officer to replace the outgoing Michael Dunford. Kenwright said that Birch would be his "sounding board" and that the new CEO should "dictate the policy of the football club". Kenwright stated that Birch had not been brought in to sell the club, but that a new investor can have his shares as long as they "have money to run the club".[14] Birch resigned six weeks later.[15] He resigned after a meeting with True Blue Holding (Kenwright, Woods, Gregg and Abercromby) where the board opted to not to sell the club. Gregg claimed there was a refusal to relinquish control by other directors and that it was preventing progress at the club.[16]

Graham Potter is talented, but right now, I think we need Harry Potter.

Carlo did say he wasn't a magician.

Steve Brown
You may want to look up what Graham Potter has achieved

Ancelotti was the wrong fit. Stick him in charge of a CL team and he does well. Trying to build a team from mid table was beyond him.

One home win since Xmas. One more win in 2021 than Sheff Utd.

It's best he goes now before he struggles next season and the crowd turns on him.

What we need is a competent Manager who can improve average players and has proven Prem experience.

If it's a choice between Lampard, Nuno or Howe ( being the names mentioned) I would prefer Howe given he over achieved with them for several years and plays attractive football.

However, Don't be surprised if it's an ex player like Ferguson or Neville.

Despite a disappointing season overall (apart from those first dozen or so games), I'm genuinely gutted about this.

I was hoping for another good summer window under Ancelotti with some more class players coming in and really seeing his stewardship kick on next year.

Bad news.

David@298, don't which games you've been watching but I've never seen Doucoure played right wing?

Be careful of these people like Galtier, yes he achieved a remarkable feat at Lille, but I wouldn't want to base any opinion on this season seeing as it was so f'kd up by covid, no fans etc.

Galtier is an odd one. Lille announced they would replace him at the end of the season, it seems they didn't think he was up to snuff, but then he went ahead and won the league. Prior to capturing the title he confirmed he would be leaving as THEY had suggested, but now after he won the league Lille saying "wait you've got 12 months left" and are accusing Nice of tapping him up. This sounds exactly like an Everton situation so he'd be perfect.

Thomas, don't be surprised if some of that amount is leveraged against deals to bring in some of their unwanted deadwood

Anyone know if there is any chance of Brendan Rodgers falling out with Leicester?

What's with all the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth here? Remember not one solitary boo or shout of derision has been made in Ancelotti's direction over this last season and a bit. He is a personable man, seemed to come across as a nice guy and we all hoped he would succeed but his lack of passion and motivation was obvious and the fact he is jumping ship so easily I'm afraid reinforces this. The shite he served up at the end of last season and most of this would have been enough to get all other managers before him hung drawn and quartered. Move on and get someone more motivated, hopefully with some sort of plan about how to play the game to entertain and not numb.

It's stating the obvious but il say it anyway because we have form for it. If this news derails any transfer targets then Brands needs to go with him. Should be no need for the usual scatter gun approach. I'm an Evertonian and don't care what millionaire is appointed manager.Just get the six first teamers and the same ( at least ) going out.

Paul Swan I'm 100% in agreement

Mike(275),
They had it as a news alert 2 hours ago.

I wonder what was said at the recent meeting between Carlo and the club's hierarchy. Is money available to strengthen the squad to the extent we could hope to compete for the top six? If not, the likelihood of a struggle in the lower half of the table beckons. The latter scenario would probably lead Carlo to think failure in Madrid was more appealing than failure at Goodison.

I want a manager better than competent and players better than average please IE.

Ancelotti was that manager and would have replaced our average players over time.

Why go on about Doucouré right wing.Ancellotis crime was playing him at all. One shocking footballer who sums up how bad we are at buying players.Im still thinking Gérard or Conte or even Simeome, we need a fighter an US v the rest mentality. I hope it gets confirmed now and stops Sky taking all day about the shit England team most of us don't care about.

Ok just got here and whew is my brain tired. So, yeah, he's gone or that story doesn't print I believe. We're not as damaged by this as some would believe and shame on those just having a good old dig at a time like this. There are some good candidates out there that could advance us from here. Nuno, I left you a message.

I think Anthony got reel when he said that the locker room knew. I actually thought that was Carlo playing the top mgt but Anthony is right I think. So, yeah, Darren and others, have a laugh and call it a failure if you wish but we get a bit of a free turn on the carousel and I don't think the club would be hurt with it turning out to be a temporary appointment. Debate on the Ancelotti project will be a delight I'm sure, looking forward to that on top of the Moyes comparisons. Good times.

This is the most depressed I've been in a long time.

This sounds to me like a gentleman's agreement. Perhaps Moshiri wasn't happy with the way the team collapsed and the approach from Madrid means both sides can save face.

Rennie 315, final game vs City he had Doucoure on the right and when he had the ball he just stopped and played it backwards. He set him up to fail. Set us up to fail at home to Villa and sat on his hands and watched us get torn apart. With fans back at Goodison we wouldn't have stood for it. This saves us time and money. Hopefully we get a fee for him and a new manager can come in quickly so he can add the few players we need.

If he's going and it looks likely unless this is all a power struggle ie if you want me to stay Brands does what I say and sod these Iwobi, Brabthwaite, Nkounkou, Kean, Bernard and King signings. I want to bring class footballers to EFC not journeymen, kids or crappola.

Anyway if he goes my shortlist to replace him includes

Hass Bean, R Sole, Gob Shyte, Dick De Head and Whan Ker.

Whoever comes in should buy the following players

Ruub Ish, Kant Cros, Fu Kin U Sles and Orful.

The manager and players will then feel right at home when they read the comments on TW.

This morning I thought this was conjecture, but now it seems like a certainty. We'll just have to roll our sleeves up and get on with it.

Loads of names being bandied about to replace him, I think a ToffeeWeb poll may be needed tomorrow.

Nuno Espirito is one of the more obvious candidates, he's proven in the Premier League and has done very well with Wolves.

Moshiri will want a safe pair of hands to keep the project ticking over until we're in the BMD, probably with experience in this league too. Nuno ticks those boxes, no compensation to pay, and is available.

Whoever comes in better be motivated for it, because the job is going to test them to the limit.

If it's Kenwright's decision, it'll be Howe, Moyes or Dyche.

If it's Moshiri's decision, it'll be Pochettino, Simeone or Conte.

If it's Brands' decision, it'll be a non-British guy beloved of the nerdy stattos and xG merchants.

Only certainty is that plenty of us will be unhappy with the choice.

They just won't let us have more than a week's peace, will they?

Ian

If we get Howe watch all those 1-0 wins become 1-3 defeats

Ooh some drama and intrigue on top of the shock. Get ready for some possible tough talk to save face. Not speculating here, just saying that cheap talk can come about at times like these when only the so-called gentlemen in the room know. NDAs and all that.

Needs sorting quickly, and just hope there are 3 weaker teams.

We are bang in trouble already.

For all those pointing out how bad our home record was, they conveniently ignore the fact of our away record or the fact we finished with 10 more points than we did last season, and that with Carlo only having brought in 5 players. Sorry, but for the longer term rebuild of the club losing this man is an absolute disaster ! Agreed, there are some decent candidates out there, Conte and Galtier being my preferred options, what Galtier has achieved is truly remarkable and for whoever it was above that said he just won the league during Covid, check his whole record at Lille out and at St Etienne !
I actually think that because of Reals financial position Conte and Galtier, Conte in particular would be far more likely candidates.
For those suggesting Potter, you must be joking, Potter, Howe just poor mans Martinez.

My biggest fear is that this is driven by meeting with Brands who wont get him the age/type of player he wants, for me that would make it believable

If the fall out from this is Bill steps down il be having a street party on county road. Oh and take his little miss dynamite with him and any other jobs for the boys inept coaches as well.

Jack, we've already got those players you mention.

Colin #328. I agree, after finishing 10th I bet Moshiri was having visions of a 2nd season like Koeman and Silva. At least this way we get compo for once and there's no fear about paying a gigantic pay off if things went south next season.

Jack #330 Branthewaite and Nkounkou have been great finds. We need more like them. Kean also looks good business when we make a decent profit on the 24m

It's a disappointing and harsh fact. But an English coach hasn't won a league title in the Premier League era. The Scots with Dalglish early and post Ferguson, it is the continentals who are dominating our domestic game now and not just on the playing front.

It's even creeping into the Championship and the teams coming up that play good football have continental coaches Wolves and Leeds being good recent examples.

It doesn't make me happy saying that by the way.

Broken record but we need to look external. Please don't go for the Burnley boss because he can organise shit. I do that when my dogs curl one off every morning.

Ancotti done that and finished higher than Dyche.

Aim high Everton. Please fucking believe. Please

Jonathan, you referring to Potter's 41% win percentage at Swansea or the 26% at Brighton?

Jonathan T #312 certainly Potter is the closest to the next Rodgers. Both he and Dyche do a good job but he has done his work with a more panache and assembled a very decent squad of players - of the type I thought Brands would be buying in the first place. It is a big step up, mind you. But if we can't get Ten Haag (as I reflect I wonder why he would leave Amsterdam for a poison chalice) then Potter is probably the best bet. We have to accept though that our competition is now Villa, Leeds, WHU as well as our fellow big spending mugs Spurs and Arsenal. It's not going to be top 4 under any manager. It's now about building a decent competitive squad over a period of seasons that will be capable of an assault on the top 4 in about 3 years. Given we've only made the top 4 twice since we last won the title then I expect we can wait that long.

The only positive with Howe is he is an Everton fan. Premier League relegation after spending large amounts of money on players like Ibe and Solanki. No thanks.

This is such a typical Everton situation. Why do I continue to put myself through it? Wish I'd never watched that 1984 FA Cup final as a 5 year old kid. Been pretty much disappointed continually since the age of 8.

I don't know WHO I want but I know what type of manager I want.

One with a clear style of football that is easily explained to some of the no marks we have masquerading as players. I want a manager who will employ coaches that ensure the players are fit to run a whole game twice a week, who will employ coaches to do ball work to develop skills, tactical work to develop brains and knows what a good player looks like. I want a manager that knows when players are cheating their team mates (and fans) by jogging around looking like they are closing down-yes Mr Siggy and Mr Iwobi I am looking right at you both. Get someone who fits that bill and I will be happy

Sounds like they are in talks to persuade him to stay, but he won't.

I like crisps

I hope to God it's true as it might appease the haters until the next manager is named then before he signs we can hate him too
Mind you if Ancelotti goes for sure it will open the door for the mesmeric duo of Unsworth or Ferguson
I don't understand how an old, passed sell by date, only here for the money manager could even be mentioned in the same breath as a club like Real Madrid?
Surely Yeovil Town - maybe
First priority of the new manager will be to tell Pep Holgate is never leaving no matter how much they offer.
Never wanted him here like most - well half a dozen TWers

Potter's team plays nice football and is usually second-best in both boxes. That suggests to me that either he can't afford decent defenders/strikers, or he's another flatter to deceive merchant like Howe.

It's a funny one, our performances second half of season were as bad as when Silva was in charge.

Am genuinely stunned. Can't believe we are going to lose Ancelotti. The only reason we had any hope of signing big name players was due to brand Ancelotti (not Brands Ancelotti!).

James will be off and pretty sure Allan will want out too. Richarlison will be gone as well surely as he has stated already last season that he wanted to move on. Add Kean to the mix too.

The only glimmer of hope here is that if the above leave like Carlo that we could get a decent transfer pot in to allow someone to rebuild.

This needs to be a complete rethink about this club and an investment in a manager like Potter who plays attractive football and will grow with us (a la Moyes). We aren't going to get a big name other than an old has been so let's get a manager on the up rather than trying the same old names.

Sod's law that Spurs will nick the person we want…….

All change it seems and Id like to be a fly on the wall at The Liver Building and FInch Farm.

So I've no idea who's being courted to replace Ancelotti, but it looks like a tough summer but we shall see.

Can Everton resolve this in a timely and quality manner and get a proven manager, no doubt whom. Will bring his own crew and philosophy to the club?

Disappointing end to Carlos reign at Everton, and I hope the truths are disclosed aside from Real Madrid being a Lengendary football club.

They are in the septic 12 clubs, and Carlo publicly disapproved of that venture at the time.

Two weeks ago he also discounted the initial signs of Madrid's needs in view of Zidanes waning stock.

I wonder what's changed and will Brands transfer plan have to be rehashed else did they have a fallout?

Poxy twists of fate, and Everton it seems are in The doldrums, today, hopefully for not too long.

All change it seems and Id like to be a fly on the wall at The Liver Building and FInch Farm.

So I've no idea who's being courted to replace Ancelotti, but it looks like a tough summer but we shall see.

Can Everton resolve this in a timely and quality manner and get a proven manager, no doubt whom. Will bring his own crew and philosophy to the club?

Disappointing end to Carlos reign at Everton, and I hope the truths are disclosed aside from Real Madrid being a Lengendary football club.

They are in the septic 12 clubs, and Carlo publicly disapproved of that venture at the time.

Two weeks ago he also discounted the initial signs of Madrid's needs in view of Zidanes waning stock.

I wonder what's changed and will Brands transfer plan have to be rehashed else did they have a fallout?

Poxy twists of fate, and Everton it seems are in The doldrums, today, hopefully for not too long.

Gavin 339 - agreed about Branthwaite and Nkounkou. However Carlo's brief was the Champions League 23/24.

You are not making progress bringing in so called experience by signing players the calibre of Iwobi, King, Gomes and Bernard ( who is really skillful but not up to playing in the EPL). Remember Carlo said he was 'surprised' at how good Godfrey has been - feint praise indeed for Brands.

When I hear the likes of Moyes, Howe, Dyche, Nuno, Harry Potter etc... being linked to I want to shoot myself.

The only one I heard of who sounds feasible is Ragnar Lothbrok. I know nothing about him except that he's German and has a cool name and a fierce reputation.

Worst of it is that the "deadwood" will be telling their agents "hold on, let me carry on picking up a fat check here and maybe the next manager will fancy me."

Brands needs to have a Zoom call today and make it clear to Bernard, Iwobi, Delph etc that they need to find new clubs immediately.

Andy @ 300,
I meant Ten Hag lol.

Barry @ 310, If we are going for "talented" then Mr Ripley would be my choice 😀.

Ahhhhh. The mercenary fuck!

Has already managed the biggest teams and won all of the biggest titles. Surely he has nothing left to prove to himself or anyone else. We shouldn't just accept that it's too good an offer for him to refuse. Taking a club like ours from mid table obscurity into the Champions League should be a more enticing challenge for him at this point in his career.

He signed a contract with Everton. Hold him to it. If we want to be a big club, we ought to start behaving like one.

I'm not sure why posters on here are having a pop at other posters who weren't fans of Carlo, like it made any difference whatsoever. If Carlo goes to Real, what difference does it make if he was shit or brilliant when he was here? The end result is the same. He's fucking off and we have a group of players that Carlo deemed to be of such poor quality that we couldn't keep possession or hope to win a game by dominating the opposition. A group of players that he said were better without the ball than with the ball. Some poor idiot has to come in and try to work with this pile of mediocrity.

Personally, I'm surprised that Real want to bring Carlo back, and disappointed that we have to search for yet another manager. I can't say I was looking forward to another season of watching the horrible football that we played under Carlo, but I guess he did improve our points tally, so maybe it would have been better next season.

Anyway, this is all so Everton. My sympathies are with the few who actually CHOSE to support this club, the way most kids these days pick Utd or the RS or Chelsea. I heard a really sad story about a fella with no connection to the city or the club who chose Everton just to piss off his dad who was a London RS fan. A whole life of endless misery when he could have picked a team that wins stuff occasionally. Poor bastard.

Jack and Gavin, Branthwaite and Nkounkou have not yet proven to be "great finds"... they look to be excellent prospects, but that is all.

As for Carlo being surprised at how good Godfrey is... wouldn't we all be able to say the same? I don't remember anybody here projecting him to become what he so quickly did. He surprised everyone.

Michael #359, I chose this club 36 years ago, and I have no regrets and no need of sympathy. Can't speak for anybody else in a similar category.

Not trying to start anything up but what's the knock on Nuno? Genuinely interested, please don't scorch me.

Nothing wrong with German coaches Colin.

Chelsea pulled a masterstroke and turned their season around once the right coach became available.

Our cousins done likewise, disposing of the much admired Brenda because the right coach was available.

I'm bias, but German coaches are up with the best in world football. Go hunting there Everton.

It's won the last 3 European Champions Leagues.

No, no, no, no, no, no... this can't be happening! Another summer of turmoil, another season of 'rebuilding', another manager to blame the players brought in by the 'previous' regime. And the instability will continue, until one day, the inevitable happens. I fear for the future of my club - when will we ever have stability and actually win something? I can't believe that Carlo will leave this 'project' incomplete and leave us high and dry! I expect, nay, I DEMAND a statement from Carlo when I open TW tomorrow "I am flattered by the interest shown in me by Real Madrid, but ". Sad day if it happens, we will go back to being the small club that everybody - except us Blues - believe we are.

I know that many would die sooner than see this but I'd make Stevie Gerrard favourite. He has acted with grace in a tinder box situation up there; can Gerrard do any worse? I couldn't do any worse so he's a good bet. Can I now give my honest opinion of Carlo? Once great I'm sure but with the benefit of hindsight a tragically bad choice for what Everton need now. Everton need a dynamic and Carlo isn't that, Chelsea have found dynamic. Carlo is also a blatant opportunist and who wants one?

Mike @360

Unfortunately for Ben Godfrey, he didn't make the final cut for England, he'll have to watch on the TV like the rest of us.

Jack #354. We should be buying more like Branchwaite's and the players Carlo wanted. It's the nondescript shite like Gomes, Bernard, Tosun and Bolasie we need to swerve.

try the popcorn Barry!

It's all over lads. Iwobi just sent me a R.S.V.P invitation to a celebration party at his pad. He told me BK has offered him a 10 year contract and he's to be Unsy's asst. manager.

It's fancy dress so he's going as a footballer.

that popcorn was for Barry Rathbone btw

Barry #365, let's see how he does with the next cut. The one for the World Cup. As for the Euros, honest question, do you guys really care about that? We certainly don't over here in the colonies.

Dale #361, I haven't seen many knocks on Nuno. It's just that he already appears ticketed for Palace.

Colin 368

So Big Dunc drops down the pecking order? Oh well, he can always work his way back up to number 2 when Unsie gets the chop.

Dale @361, no knock on Nuno but didn't include him as thought I read something about him/his family wanting to go back to Portugal/Europe. May have been wrong. I was predicting him to take on the Spurs job which was when I read something about family wanting to leave the U.K.

The other name not being mentioned that may come up is Hassenhutl…..

I think Moshiri with the stadium being built will want a proven premiership manager. A safe pair of hands so to speak who can work within a budget prob with prem experience. He will be very risk adverse.

So that realistically leaves:

Moyes: Still not signed his contract and keen to move back up north. Knows the club inside and out and can work on a budget.

Nuno: Prem experience but his time at Wolves just seemed to fizzle out. Nothing to suggest he should be top of any list. The fact he was spoon fed signings by Mendes was worrying.

Dyche: Cock of the walk in a small pond. Can defo work within a budget, but his football is dire and regardless of where we stand in world football Burnley to Everton is a big step up up.

Benitez: Worshipped on Tyneside for serving up football that was worse than under Bruce. Long time Red and would be divisive but can certainly organise a squad.

Potter: At times Brighton have played some good stuff other times they have been annihilated. Getting good plaudits but a risk and maybe the job has come around too soon for him.

Howe: Too risky, attack minded football, questionable defending, questionable transfer record. AVOID.

Big Duncan: Will get them fired up but what else? He's had understudy roles, With Ancelotti, Koeman, Silva, Martinez and Moyes if he's not gonna put his hat it then when? and if not now then why not? If he wants it now is his time but he also will carry a risk as he's still unproven over a season.

‘Howe plays attractive football' is a comment which alarms me. His team played adventurous football leaving themselves wide open at the back. Ultimately they were relegated, albeit after hammering us 3-1 in their final match. Howe struggled at Burnley whose fans generally thought he was one of the worst managers they have ever had. Expecting someone like him to step seamlessly into this job would be a huge risk, especially given the lack of pace and energy in the squad.

Paul Swan (319) All good points.
I am not upset as I think we have dodged the bullet of a huge pay out after next season.
I too liked Carlo as a person but don't think he was taking us forward as I had expected. Strange Team selections and too much faith put on players who never performed.
Players seldom looked motivated and heads dropped far too easily.
Think many of our slender victories were down to a rejuvenated Pickford. Performance wise I think we looked more edge of relegation zone than Euro hopefuls. I wish him well.
Don't think I can guess the next candidate.
Whoever it is they had better work fast as there are a lot of overpaid, underperforming players. Some of whom were brought in by Carlo.

Colin, that's a fair call.

Hopefully the version of the truths behind this matter, will be live very soon on TW.

I'd take Simeoni, but that's only my wish but Everton need this new appointment, to be a success

Mike 370

I do, although my pool of countries I can claim allegiance too is smaller with Ireland out. My Mum is from Scotland but her parents weren't so they don't count for me.

Barry (#309), you make a very valid depressing point. Birch leaving after six weeks to me speaks volumes about the ruinous antics of Kenwright. Birch has gone on to have a stellar career in accountancy and football, having been a professional player too. He's the current chairman of the EFL for Christ's sake, and while he's gone on to bigger and better achievements our self-proclaimed Golden Bollocks is still festering as Chairman, advising Moshiri more closely than when he was appointed as such according to Mr Mosh himself.

Jeez, you couldn't make it up, and the club's still stuffed with Bill's hangers-on whilst we stumble on decade after decade with the distant peaks of success now barely visible on the far horizon.

New manager? New players? Nah, new culture please after the club's given a forensically deep clean!

Its heart breaking this Evertonian lark.
Not because a manager leaves or a player leaves but what are we now?

Same old same old drum I bang -just keeps on playing.

Another walks from Everton to the elite while Everton claim to be trying to join the elite.

It will not happen and I just wish all fans of the other clubs in football turned their attention to the big picture.

While the fake Super league operation was closing occupied minds, UEFA were smoothing things out for the big guns with more fixtures, more gate receipts and in summary, more money again.

This is just a cycle that will spin til we all die.

Your welcome. 👍

Steve # 308. Jonathan has very quickly changed his tune. He's been harping on for months about some bloke called Steve Cooper from Swansea. Now it's Graham Potter. Fuck me, someone wake me up from this nightmare I'm having about these ridiculous replacements being touted on here.

On second thoughts, no, let's get Graham Potter in, then after two months I'll be ripping him to shreds, saying what a shite manager he is and We need to get rid of him ASAP. 😠😠

Thanks Andrew. Hoffenhuttl doesn't suit me, no cringers. That's one reason why I fell for Carlo, scoundrel. The question at this point is: After Carlo, how much is our squad an albatross that keeps us from getting a decent look from Europe's best?

Although last season was not normal due to the pandemic, with many teams performing better away from home, I felt we could carry that away form and approach into next season with a focus to improve our home form. Carlo had mastered our away tactics and I was confident our home form would improve with a few quality signings and fans back. I appreciate that's true of others.

Whatever you think of the squad as well as Moshiri, Brands and the likes of Big Dunc, you have to ask how much of an appetite is left for yet another rebuild. The first team squad is disjointed - a Frankenstein's monster of 5 managers' signings. Moshiri just wants to keep us in the top flight until the stadium is built and he can flog the club, so we need to find someone who can commit, and has the desire and motivation to bring success although the priority of the owner is probably somewhat different.

I just hope all the deadwood don't get yet another chance of a fresh start. Used to being disappointed but I don't fancy Eddie Howe, Graham Potter or Moyes. Yet another big summer coming up.

Shithouse!...

Not a word I would usually pair with Ancelotti.

But yeah... shithouse!!

Mike - I think what Carlo was getting at was given Brands track record ie Iwobi £30m, he is awful, Delph always injured, Mina misses to many games, that he couldn't believe Brands had actually signed someone who was really good. I reckon that's were the problem lies. Carlo wants experience and Brands was told when he became DOF to get young players in who we could make better and if necessary make a huge profit on.

My fear if Carlo goes is that the best players we have will want to go. For instance I would not be surprised if Pep looked at Digne. City really need a left back - we have one of if not the best in the EPL and possible Europe. Richarlson will want to go, so possibly will Allan and James. We are going to be in an awful mess. I am gutted about C arlo and worried sick as to what is happening to the club I've supported for over 60 years.

Anthony @382,

That's the thing, even Silva was billed as someone to improve our squad, ie, a coach as opposed to an old-school manager, but he was able to go out and sign his own men. While Carlo said we needed improvement, he had already theoretically made progress with some of his own signings. A new guy will probably want to start from scratch and Moshiri may not want to cough up again.

I was wrong. I posted a couple of weeks back that when Moshiri appointed Ancelotti he commented something like ‘we've got a great squad of players we just need a top manager to get the best out of them'.

That sent shivers down me at the time as Moshiri was clearly in denial about the £100ms he's pissed up the wall on mainly below standard players. My thoughts a couple of weeks ago were that Ancelotti had now convinced Moshiri that our players weren't good enough (the "I'm not a magician" comment, for example) and we'd see some significant upgrades to our squad this summer.

I now think I was wrong. It looks like Ancelotti has been pushed back by Moshiri and he's now upping sticks and heading off as a result. Once again, any new manager will need to buy into the ‘haven't we got a great squad' delusional Moshiri view.

Listen, Moshiri, we haven't got a great squad, we've got a bang-average squad that has got multiple top managers sacked over the past 5 years or so. Oh shit…

If this comes to pass, and it looks that way, then I just hope we get someone in who wants to play football on the front foot and wants to bring in young athletes with pace.

I support Everton and, if the next guy does better than Ancelotti, then I'll be made up!

We won't receive any real truth about why Carlo decided to return to Madrid, as somebody mentioned above, there will be a mountain of Non-Disclosure Agreements in place to ensure all parties are protected and we the mugs who pay a small percentage of their wages and a huge amount of time watching, writing and talking about Everton will be left to speculate about what happened and why.

I have often thought that the term NDA stood for "Never Do Anything" – particularly if it applied to Everton FC.

So, an ex-Everton manager at Barca and an ex-Everton manager at Real... who says we can't pick 'em?!

According to TalkSport, Carlo is as good as gone now and will be replaced by Nuno! However, Sky seems to be more interested in Alexander- Arnold's inclusion in the England team somehow ffs!

Ding, ding, Nicholas, that's kind of a silver lining here. We can only get the gold diggers that either don't work out or could always use a pay bump. House sale in Crosby!

My shock is somewhat mitigated by the lousy second half of the season we just had and the dreadful football we generally played, the worst since the mid-late 90's. It certainly hasn't been good enough to earn you Real Madrid, so I assume they are ignoring Carlo's stay with us in their reckoning.

If we are truly trying to reach for the stars, we'd go for Poch or Simeone- surely the latter wants to try his hand outside Spain now he's achieved so much there and if we promised him a big transfer kitty?

If we are being 'pragmatic', it would be Potter or Farke if you could prize him away. Nuno at a push, definitely not Howe.

If Billy boy gets anywhere near things, it will be Moyes or Ferguson.

Personally I'd be open to the idea of a young chancer, and allow Brands a youth only approach. Let's face it, we're not going to get in the Champions League with this squad, so maybe now is the time for a longer project. Staying in the Premier League should not be beyond us in the interim, and if we finish mid-table, but play some better football and start adding value to players we acquire, that would do for me (painful though it is to admit that).

Soren, that's the best thing I've seen you write in...okay, I'm lying, the Carlo thing pisses me off to no end but Nuno would be better suited to our present predicament and might fully invest if the family thing isn't true.

The Echo says that Davide Ancelotti's missus thanked and said goodbye to her personal trainer via Instagram two weeks ago, so there's a possibility this has been in the pipeline for a while. Surely Everton would have known and have come up with some kind of plan.

I listened to a podcast with Norwich's Director of Football a couple of years ago. He seemed to be a very switched on guy. Very down to Earth. I remember him saying how happy they were with Daniel Farke but, at the same time, he always, maintained a list of realistic, potential successors. Let's hope our own DoF has done the same.

I can see that Soren.

Maybe not my choice, but if you look at Brands and therefore our policy of shopping in South America, his Portugal background fits that strategy if that makes sense.

Bye Carlo. Hopefully Big Dunc take charge.

It is agreed. Fuck you, Florentino!

Colin @355.

That crowd you mentioned there... If any of them.. any – that is the end of it all for me.

I've been close to the edge on this for a good few years but the end of the line is nearly nigh. That October afternoon when dad took me to my first game at Goodson (Guess what: we lost 2-4 to Blackburn!!) started it all for me.

I lost dad right on Christmas to Covid so... you know what. I think that's the omen for me, with all this shite Super League crap. The galling thing of seeing every RS manager they get wins them a bloody trophy even when they then get rid of them and Dad and I saw 7 together.

It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

Dale @369,

Odd thing is, I don't like popcorn!!

More seriously, I think if this happens, it's a good result. Carlo was never a fit here, we all hoped he would be, but he just wasn't. A charming man who caused us no bother and said the right things. I wish him well but fear he is swapping one frying pan for another.

Since Moyes, we have had 2 managers with definitive styles who had relative successes but were driven out for different reasons (Martinez and Allardyce).

Moshiri must appoint someone with a plan we can't have another wishy washy guy winging it like Koeman, Silva and now apparently Ancelotti. A transformation akin to Leeds with Bielsa and Wolves under Nuno is the target but who that man is... I have no idea.

Danny, Dale.

Yes, Nuno makes sense to me as well. Let's hope he brings with him Neto if or when he gets appointed.

Confirmed on Sky!

Colin #28,

Do you mind awfully if I give your invite for tea a swerve.

I'm sure I have to wash my hair.

Carlo is an ex-Everton coach now!

Confirmed just now. What an arsehole.

The Don Is Gone.

Stunned...

So much for the bullshit about believing in the EFC 'project'. It seems we can't really trust anything that any manager comes out with.

Thanks for nothing, Carlo.

The fact is that changing round Everton is a bigger job than turning round Real Madrid. Even Ancelotti was finding it difficult to change the culture that has held Everton back for too long.

Moshiri needs to clean out the internal management because, no matter who is appointed, they will have the same difficulty if he doesn't.

The unmotivated crap we got from the players in the end of season matches was telling.

Did anyone notice how really pally Carlo and Nuno were after the Wolves game. Maybe it was a case of - "I wish you luck with this lot!!"!!

Whatever new manager comes in you can guarantee one thing! That Bill Kenwright will order the new manager that Duncan Ferguson must be part of the backroom team!

I think that is part of the problem, Kenwright's insistence that we have to keep a strong Everton identity within the management team and forced to work with different managers with different ideas (Martinez, Koeman, Silva and Ancelloti all bascially were told you have to have Duncan on your team if you are on our payroll.)

I was hoping that Carlo would be the one to take Everton into BMD but it is not to be. I don't think Duncan is ready for job full time so I hope we can get aggresive in the market and get a big name.

Does anyone remember I posted about the time I met Ancelotti's son-in-law the day after the Spurs cup game, and he told me that Carlo would love to stay with us for at least 10 years!

Lying bastard!

By the way, I know where his son-in-law lives... I might pop round and question him: Why the sudden change of heart?

I can only think that Koeman, Martinez, and Ancelotti have been rewarded with plum jobs because they all in one way or another managed to set us back years.

Let the fun begin as Everton have just declared that they have started the process to replace Carlo, I expect it will be about 10 August when the new man is announced.

Message from Carlo on the Official Website.

I haven't read many posts, but I like to read Martin's (@251) just for a bit of a laugh. 'Disaster'. You're joking. I've been a fierce critic of Carlo, and often wondered if I'd gone too far.

I feel vindicated now. He has been a real failure. Clueless at times. I'm relieved he's gone. "Who do we get?" I hear loudly. It's not my job.

Can people stop mentioning Simeone as an option. He's paid about twice what we paid Ancelloti and, even if that weren't a problem, why on Earth would he leave a safe job at a brilliant team where he is loved to an unstable job at a mediocre team where fans will hate him for not being Duncan Ferguson?

Why is he an arsehole for choosing Real Madrid over us?

As much as I like Carlo, I can't help but feel betrayed. Maybe I am just very naive.

Well, here we go again. Next?

He's making a terrible mistake. He'll struggle to find decent Bovril at the Bernabeu for a start.

The wonderful thing now is that Darren and Ian have become irrelevant?

This off the BBC website:

Ancelotti thanked Everton's staff and fan and said the move represented "an unexpected opportunity".

Wonder which fan he thanked. Might take him some time to thank all the fans. :)

It seems that if you are an Everton supporter you are doomed forever to live in interesting times.

Can't see any manager doing anything with this shower of unfit mercenary players, Now Carlo Ancelotti has gone, can we clear all the coaches at Finch Farm out too? A new culture and a new regime is needed at every level of this sorry excuse for a top football club.

Simeone would be the one to burn the arses of these shithouse players who continue to get managers the bullet but I can't see him coming. It would be Conte next for me and, if not, Nuno from Wolves.

Anyone mentioning Howe, Dyche, Potter or The Ginger Twat had best change their medication.

“While I have enjoyed being at Everton I have been presented with an unexpected opportunity which I believe is the right move for me and my family at this time.”

His missus had her bags packed as soon as the offer came in and, to be fair, I can't blame her after the break-in. Still, his dog will miss Crosby beach. Maybe we could sign his dog?

John @412

Unless Duncan is appointed as full-time manager, I think it's time for him to be removed from first-team duties. How can any manager have a fresh start with the same bloke who's served under five, or is it, six managers???

How can the players believe it's a fresh start if the same assistant is uttering the same stuff that he has done for so long???

It's increasingly difficult to give a monkey's about any of the whole corrupt circus.

Can I get in first?

Unsworth: hate him, shite, never managed
Ferguson: hate him, shite, just beats people up
Nino: hate him, shite, made an RS supporter captain
Potter: hate him, shite, him and his brother Harry only good for daft movies.
Moyes: hate him, shite, stabbed us in the back.
Howe: hate him, shite, can't work North of Watford.
Gerrard: hate him, shite, need I say anything more?

Have I missed anyone out? I like to cover all the bases but really love all the above just in case we sign one and it works out can say: "I told you so."

Got to get in first before the usual suspects...

“I would like to thank the Board of Directors, the players, and the Evertonians for the tremendous support they have all given me during my time at the Club.

“I have complete respect for everyone associated with Everton and hope they can achieve the exciting opportunities they have in front of them.

“While I have enjoyed being at Everton I have been presented with an unexpected opportunity which I believe is the right move for me and my family at this time.”

I'll say it again. This sucks!!!

Moyes all day.

He would improve on 10th.

Couldn't write it at Everton. I suppose he tried his best for us, although it wasn't working out for the owner, and he wants this opportunity, so we have to move on to yet another era.

Klinsmann?

I can understand why someone would want to go to Madrid over staying at Everton but I also wonder if his decision doesn't also say something about his faith in Everton's “vision.”

Was he told he wasn't going to get a big a transfer kitty as he wanted?

It's official. He's gone.

Next!!

Jesus, John @428, that's a lot of hate!

Have a lie down, mate.

Who the fuck do we think we are as a club? We are a small mid-table club.

Simeone? Why would he come here? A club that has not won a trophy for 26 years.

Get real, people. We will never be a big club.

It really makes me sick to see we are constantly being linked with a certain ginger 58-year-old individual. It just ain't going away!!! No to big Dunc, Unsy, Howe, Dyche, Gerrard (or any ex-RedShite for that matter), Cooper, etc.

Please, Everton, for once, do your job and appoint the right person! That's all we want.

Also, didn't ya say he didn't approve the Super League idea!? Look where he is now!!!!!

Does this mean we've had enough ex-managers, we don't have time any more to talk about Moyes?

Move to Madrid to one of the biggest clubs in the world, with wall-to-wall sunshine, great food and culture?

Wanker.

He's gone.

Look away anyone with sensitivity to bad language……

Carlo, you money-grabbing, hypocrite. Fuck you and your plastic respect. Enjoy the greedy club who tried to steal the game.

Sorry, I just had to. Everything that's wrong with the game.

I remember he said a few weeks back that he didn't want any players who were unhappy to stay. I think he was probably alluding to himself.

An absolute letdown of a manager, who showed almost zero tactical nouse whilst he was here and sneaked off at the first opportunity. A bottler if ever I saw one; I wish him nothing but misery in his next job.

Am I bitter about this one? Damn right I am. Up yours, Carlo, don't bother making any statement about how you loved the club, fans etc, because now we can all see you for what you really are, which is a money-grabbing gobshite.

Man of his word. He says anyone who doesn't want to be here should leave.

Okay, let's move on, Ancelotti obviously never fancied trying to make us competitive. Back on easy street in a 3-horse race.

I just hope we bring in someone who has the hunger to bloody the nose of the big boys. I honestly have no idea of who should be next in line... Is Ferguson too raw to do it full-time?

Brands needs to seriously lead from the front on this.

No doubt this is a big kick in the balls for Moshiri. Maybe he can reflect a bit and realise that, by bringing in a top manager, he also had to back that up with serious transfer money.

He will be sacked from there within a year. Another footballing mercenary who talks the talk and fucks off at the first opportunity!

Martin @421. It's probably just me. I don't get you at all.

Darren and Ian have been spot on many times. Now irrelevant... What???

So the whole process starts again. Appoint new manager, he brings his own back room staff, new training ideas etc etc etc.

After 18 months he's fucked off, mainly by the fans, because he can't win a trophy or make Europe in his first season. Wash, spin and repeat!

As I said earlier, Patience awaits no man! The only difference here was that Carlo has resigned, as I think Moshiri would have had the patience to give him a real crack at turning things round.

Carlo was our best chance of achieving something, but now that chance has gone. Welcome to mid-table mediocrity for ever more.

Next manager out!!

It's simple. He's been offered a better job. And as we said in my recruitment days, everyone's in their perfect job till they're offered a better one.

Chance for a reset. Hire a manager who produces energetic football with players who can play purposefully and forwards for 90 mins would be a good start. Players with character who perform at least 7/10 consistently, rather than the one good game in five players we keep buying.

It's only a disaster if you ignore last season and think about his past.

They come, they go, we stay.

Onwards and upwards, Blues!

Would anyone take a lower league position than 10th for a season or two if a proper rebuilding job was to be done?

'Proper' as in getting rid of the over-the-hill mob and starting again with a young squad?

I think they will go for Lampard.

Ancelotti has treated us like shite: “I want to be here for the first game at BMD.”

Sorry but bigger jobs were always going to be touted, so don't talk shite and get on with the job!

He's off after the first chance comes along. Good riddance... let's move on and give the next guy some support.

Kieran @442,

Man of his word. He says anyone who doesn't want to be here should leave.

Post of the day. :)

Wow. Barcelona, Real Madrid, Belgium, do shit at Everton and get some of the best jobs in the world. And a pocketful of unearned cash. Zidane next I expect...

I have a feeling that Kenwright will be promoting Moyes for a return. Until the boardroom mentality changes, we will just drift on and on.

What high calibre manager would entertain us? For me, Nuno could be a good fit in the given circumstances.

My opinion of Carlo has now completely changed. He went on about the 'project' and how Everton was his club... yet, at the first opportunity to move to a bigger club, he took it.

His statement even grated on me. “While I've enjoyed” working with Everton – Clearly he never felt the love.

I'm so shocked and disappointed at this whole event. It's going to throw everything into chaos.

Everton's last 4 permanent managers' reigns:

Ronald Koeman - 1 year 131 days
Sam Allardyce - 167 days
Marco Silva - 1 year 188 days
Carlo Ancelotti - 1 year 162 days

I'm absolutely gutted at this news. We've got to break this cycle we are in. I can't blame Ancelotti for going - there was a percentage of our fan base wanting him out anyway! We'd probably have sacked him by Christmas anyway, as this is the club we have become. Next up will be Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche. They'll probably be sacked within 18 months, we'll probably then appoint Mikel Arteta after he's failed at Arsenal.

I've had it with Everton and football in general.

The Madrid job has been mentioned for about a month. I think it's safe to say he knew he was going when we played Sheffield Utd, Wolves, and Man City...

Absolutely typical. I spent £13 on a Carlo mug. Won't see that again.

Given I now need a new coffee mug, it can't be Bielsa - I wouldn't want him leering at me every time I take a sip of my flat white. It needs to be someone with a narrow face, else their mug will be spread all the way round my, er, mug. Can't be Conte, the wife would take it and I'd never see it again.

Rodgers maybe - though I'd get freaked out that his arm is about to shoot out towards me and squeeze my shoulder and stroke my cheek, like he does with all his players.

Goodbye, Carlo, we move on. I think Carlo was yesterday's man. We now need someone younger that has a vision and plan that we can all see progress being made.

Most of all we need stability. Perhaps Nuno, after Wolves didn't seem to share his ambition.

Have an Esperito Espresso, Peter!

Shame he's gone, but did anyone here actually enjoy watching the football we played under Carlo? I'm about to renew my season ticket and, I have to be honest, although I'm worried about who will come in, and I like having a big name in charge, I'm also a touch relieved to think that we might not be watching that turgid crap again.

Fingers crossed for some decent footie next season.

Can we not start blaming Kenwright, for fuck's sake. Carlo jumped ship, neglected his contract and promises. He did a piss poor job and l would really like to focus more on the monetary compensation we will receive from Real Madrid.

I'm 100% in favour of Ferguson being next full-time boss, and I bet he is too.

We've tried all the tricks in the book now:

Young, up-and-coming manager (Silva) – check.
Tactical genius who got their team relegated (Martinez) – check.
World-class manager (Ancelotti) – check.
Big-name manager from a smaller club (Koeman) – check.

Every other club has tried a former old boy, so why not us? Let's just get him in, let him make his mark on the first team, and I think we could be extremely pleasantly surprised.

Newsnow reckons we're ready to swoop for Slippy G.

At least we don't have to compensate his wages for a change!

On another news, Karl Heinz Rummenigge has opthed to step down as Bayern Chairman... 6 months earlier than planned! Why is ours hanging on to it!?

Fair play, that's an absolute shithouse of a statement.

Had we had a successful season, I'd be unhappy with his departure... but we didn't. We had a really poor season, playing shite football. In addition, some of decisions & tactics were off the wall; so, for those reasons, I'm not awful disappointed he's gone!

Look on the bright side: it will do wonders for us with FFP. Carlo's wages gone, Rodriguez will be soon.

We'll have saved enough for 2 Bernards!

Gerrard, for fuck's sake, a couple of decent seasons in the equivalent of League One.

God help us.

He did frustrate me with his decisions sometimes, but I'm gutted. Carlo also raised our profile. But back at Real he's dining at the top table again.

Off the top of my head: Nuno or Lampard for me, but still digesting this news.

Slippy G would be an hilarious appointment. Obviously, he's a massive wanker, and I reckon I could win a title in Scotland, but the RS heads would literally explode. Especially if we beat them at Anfield again, and all our fans carry placards with the picture of him as a kid in an Everton shirt. "He's one of our own! He's one of our own! Slippy G he's one of our own!"

Disappointing, but on the upside it gives us something to talk about until the football starts. I suppose, like Ancelotti, all managers come with their own backroom as there won't be many left when the family move out.

If there is one man I wouldn't have it would be Sammy Lee as he's absolutely hopeless at picking bosses and, as much as it hurts to say it (clears throat and spits), I would consider Gerrard except that with the exception of possibly Jock Stein, the Glasgow giants don't produce managers who are successful south of the border.

I'm not suggesting we give it to Big Dunc but, while the likes of Lampard and Gerard are thrown around, why not?

Not sure who we go for personally, it's all such a mess and we lack identity.

He's gone. That's the end of it. Forward Everton.

As for the pisstake, we wouldn't allow Sammy a go but we'll open the door for StevieMe? Don't think so.

Moyes for me. By some distance the best manager we have had in my adult life. He left us light years ahead of where we were when he took over. You can't say that about any of the appointments that preceded him.

He never bought into Everton. Ancelotti was here simply for the money. He is an archetypal mercenary, follow the money. Those who thought he was here for the long run were conned, good riddance.

I hope Everton negotiated a good deal for his release. Wonder if James will be his first signing.

As someone who mentioned Simeone, along with Poch, I did so in the 'reach for the stars' category. Obviously unlikely.

But there are scenarios playing out that we are not privy to. Let's imagine if actually it is Usmanov who is behind the club, a guy with really serious money and a desire to beat Abramovich and/or a need to launder some cash. Let's imagine Simeone, like many highly driven people, is in the mood for a new challenge. Let's face it, the Spanish league looks to be in real trouble right now and for many the EPL is the serious challenge, as well as still being pretty rich. Someone like Simeone will likely be confident/arrogant enough to believe he can crack the toughest league in the world. Put all that together and the promise of a free hand at Everton, with a new stadium coming, then why is that impossible, albeit highly, highly improbable?

As I said, I'd settle for some proper re-building with a young, hungry manager and recruiting players we add value to. Provided we stay in the EPL, and play some good football along the way, I could live with mid table or even a bit worse.

Gerrard did what Lamps should have. Both about the same quality, as in not enough.

Knowing Everton, we're going to appoint Lampard and it's going to be a disaster.

Carlo... oh no!

My eryebrow has gone into overdrive!

I think he's gone because he doesn't like Kenwright.

I can't get angry like some about Ancelotti doing one. I don't know whether it's down to a general disillusionment or a feeling that 10th playing shit football isn't any good.

Not that we'll ever know for sure but maybe he (Ancelotti) though "Fuck this, this is an impossible job, given the way the club's run", or other things we really don't know about.

As I say, we'll never know... so I'm finding it hard to be angry as I don't really know where my anger should be aimed.

All I hope for is a better season next season.

Thomas, that's what makes me laugh (though not at the moment as I'm fuming, gutted, gobsmacked at the whole bloody thing), people talk like it's their money we are spending or about to receive in compensation. Sorry, David, not meant as a pop at you.

Gerrard would be a lose:lose.

Does bad and we look like desperate mugs happy to have taken the enemy in hope.

Does well, he does what Ancelotti's just done to us and takes over from Klopp in 2 years.

Anyone who would want that risk is insane.

Wayne's world awaits alongside Duncan and Tim Cahill. If we're going to remain an old boys club we may as well go the whole hog.

We can't keep appointing full squads of backroom staff and then see them disappear when the manager goes. I realise it's the modern way but it seems too disruptive – there's also a former Everton youth player doing well at Chelsea, to whom Tuchel gave special mention after the Champions League triumph. I can't recall his name offhand.

Thank goodness for that. A mercenary out of his time and out of ideas. He will be okay with Real, I'm sure... but was god awful with us.

Brian, I've got the same take. If we'd broken the Top 6 and were playing scintillating attacking football, I'd be suicidal. As we're in 10th and playing some of the ,worst football in the entire Premier League I'll take the blow on the chin and come back fighting.

A positive is that he has gone now, and not 1 August. Or even retained and sacked mid-season because he'd rather be elsewhere.

The one constant in the club are us loyal fans. We'll carry the club forward no matter who comes or goes.

I'll miss your "coward" posts, Ian.

Empty words, Carlo. How about "I realise that I am not up to the job in hand so I am going to run away and simply abandon the club to whom I have repeatedly expressed my ambition and loyalty."

Good riddance. Hope Real get relegated and hoping we might just be able to prosper and pass forwards without you.

Presumably some of our "stars" will now be looking for "new opportunities" as well. Good riddance as well if that is your view. I would love to see a team of 11 players totally committed to the cause.

Callum Davidson (St Johnstone) and Alan Stubbs (Hibs) achieved much more in Scotland with no money or resources exponentially than "Stevie G." I didn't see any RS fans saying "Lets get Alan S even though he's a Blue because he turned second tier, bankrupt Hibs into cup winners."

Lampard? Gullit and Vialli achieved more at Chelsea, and as for his Derby spell, he did the same as all of his predecessors: fail to get promoted.

Martinez? He took over the world's number one team and so far hasn't won anything. Eddie Howe? Does he have any concept of defending let alone how to wisely spend money.

Rafa? He has the personality of Moyes and tactics that are a cross between Sam and Carlo. All of these lazy suggestions are preposterous.

Gerrard? No way, no way. His ultimate aim is to be manager of the wall pushers. Should we appoint anyone with that ambition?

Nuno

Oh well. Carlo goes back to a big club. We go back to being a small club.

Next.

The last time I felt like this was when Howard Kendall announced he was off to Athletic Bilbao. So so gutted.

Gutted. Absolutely gutted. If we can't make it work with the likes of Ancelotti, then we can't make it work at all, at least going down that route.

Go for a hungry, young manager. I'd rather the likes of the Cowleys from Portsmouth than a Moyes.

Spare a thought for James Rodriguez and his big bed (big mistake). His International career is at a crossroads and now his Everton playing career is at a crossroads.

If only we could pick players like we pick managers.

Mike@495

Don't worry Mike, Les Miserables will moan and whinge regardless of whichever “coward” is appointed. It's in his DNA.

I'd definitely take Moyes if it was an option (certainly compared to names like Nuno, Dyche and Howe).

He's done wonders at a West Ham that have been flirting with relegation for years. He knows the club and is respected here for what he achieved on a shoe string (again he took a side flirting with relegation and made us regular challengers in the top 6-7, he did also notably get us into Europe a couple of times (including a VERY short stay in the CL).

I'd also argue that both he and Everton have evolved in the meantime, so there'd be less 'knife to a gunfight' type chatter this time. We have credible backers and some real quality in the squad - what we need now is someone to hone a spine and a sense of belief, I think he could definitely do that.

Next!

The new manager will tell us a lot about who is genuinely planning and making decisions at the club on the football side, as well as our long-term ambitions and what the club is hoping to achieve.

Of course Moshiri as the man who pays the piper has to sign things off, but it SHOULD be Brands primarily determining the manager and player recruitment which fits in to an overall model of how he wants the entire club to play through all age groups.

If certain mooted names are appointed, it will strongly suggest that Bill Kenwright still has disproportionate influence that he should no longer have on Moshiri's watch.

The better players at the club (and there are some, in spite of what some think) are now unlikely to be persuaded to 'Give us 1-2-3 more years to reach the promised land. We're building something here.'

Carlo Ancelotti has given all as clear a message as could be spelled out: 'You are a professional sports person. Don't be lulled or wooed by romanticism. If a chance comes to improve yourself, to advance your career, take it.'

This is both a setback (we need greater managerial stability), but also an opportunity. It radically changes our summer plans. Five years in, Moshiri needs someone who will stick around.

According to reports: Carlo Ancelotti will be earning less than half at Real Madrid than he did at Everton. See Mr Moshiri, money can't buy you, love!

It's a bit of a swine when you pay your manager a king's ransom and he leaves to join another club for half the salary. Everton that!

I wouldn't be surprised if James Rodriquez makes a miraculous recovery and the Colombian coach asks him to join his squad for the upcoming tournament. Everton "Tales of the least expected!"

Martin 421. I'll still be giving my opinion. Hopefully enjoying attractive, entertaining football. I know you'd miss me.

For fuck's sake, not Moyes talk again. Fucking get over this guy.

Per year, Barry?

Kieran,

Martinez didn't take over the worlds number one team, he made them that. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do with Moshiri's money and I'd fancy he'd get a tune out of the likes of Richarlison, Gomes, Holgate and maybe Bernard.

Also, I see that Poch ain't committing to PSG so I wonder if he really could be tempted. Sarri and Enrique would also be interesting.

Funny thing is we have been asking for a bit of speed, tempo and decisiveness for about 18 months from Carlo. I guess he kept it all for his exit strategy.

Some on here want Nuno...

Me and my lad call Wolves – Olhau Athletic!

Get yer coat on n get moving, Espirito of the Blues! I like it anyway.

Brands is very quiet at the moment. Probably tying up the loose ends of six incoming transfers.

The cup Merseyside derby was a disgrace and he was a dead man walking after that humiliation.

I just hope to god that Usmanov comes off the fence, replaces Moshiri, sacks Bill Kenwright and all his cronies and hangers on, appoints Luis Enrique manager and has a massive dump in the Anfield directors box.

Carlo has disappointed me no-end but life, and football, go on. Fuck him.

I am sorry he has gone. But, he has gone and no longer of any relevance to me.

Any player that doesn't want to be there can go too. I don't care who they are.

Managers and players come and go. We remain. What matters now is the future. We will all have opinions on who we want and especially who we don't. They will be important to me as long as they are there. I will still be there when they are not.

I can't believe Lampard is being considered by some when we already have Dunc at the club.

Absolutely no to Moyes! His time has been and gone – no matter what West Ham did this season.

Disappointed to see Ancelotti leave but I can only hope we get it right with the next appointment. Not sure who I would really favour at the moment, I just know I don't want Moyes.

Brent,

We are not a small club... but we are run like a small non-league club.

So he's prepared to wave goodbye to nearly £20M just so he can get the hell out of Crosby.

What a ghastly unproductive bullshitter.

Yeah, having Don Carlo as manager, we were such a big club: 10th and 12th place finishes, playing abject white flag football... incredible stuff. Even the evil Ginger One did better than that on a shoestring, yet there would be bonfires and pitchforks if he came back.

As for big Don Carlo's player pulling power, we got a Colombian crock and a hardly ever fit Napoli midfielder.

Bye bye, Carlo. I hope you spend the money you earned on a nice Spanish villa or something.

Fuck off, Carlo you're just another mercenary.

All the above mentioned wanna bees can fuck of too. Slippy G? How can any Evertonian connect him with this club but then Teary Bill will probably write the script, saying he was always a Blue.

I despair with this club. Get Usmanov in and let him hire and fire all around him, including Moshiri, Teary Bill and his cronies.

Yes, Dale,

Reportedly Ancelotti will earn €6M per season.

I think Gerrard would be interesting: He'd fight Big Dunc, call Unsworth a Fat Bastard, give us all the two fingers at Goodison and cause a mob of fans to lynch Kenwright & Co. We might even get to Europe to hunt down Moshiri.

Well this is a bit of a bugger. I didn't have any faith that his tactics were any good but he could certainly attract ‘the players'. You never know how it will play out but this is a flick to the goolies and no mistake.

Rob H @413.

You don't need to ask his son-in-law why he is leaving, it is obvious: he prefers the sunny skies of Madrid to the endless wet weekends of Merseyside. And, as I know that you are also fond of the sunshine, I was wondering if maybe you had been talking to him and turning his head?

Jerome 525,

He would definitely be the most hated man on Merseyside if that happened. He might even appoint Carra as his Number 2.

I have seen a lot of names mentioned but not the manager I would do everything we can to get, Brendan Rodgers. His side plays attractive attacking football, and his team has spent more weeks in the Top 4 than most of the others. Yes, they narrowly missed out but while competing for a Top 4 place he also beat Chelsea to win the FA Cup.

He knows the Premier League inside out, so no need to get up to speed, and he will also know all about our squad, so no lost time getting to know the players.

The hard thing will be to get him to leave Leicester, where he has bought some exciting youngsters, but he might find £11 million a year too hard to resist. And another plus is if he signed for us: he could move straight into the house he owns in Formby which he currently rents to Klopp.

Kieran, I don't want Roberto either -- I don't think he's a club manager -- but "hasn't won anything" for Belgium is WAY too harsh. They weren't #1 when he took over. And they got 3rd at the World Cup, barely losing to France and then stomping England. That ain't shabby.

Jack Convery

It reminds me of when Howard Kendall Mk II left. We started that season with 3 straight wins, he seemed to be turning the corner, he said we needed some new signings (Dion Dublin?), results deteriorated and we were loitering around mid-table. Some wanted him gone as yesterday's man, I thought he would turn it around. Then boom, he was gone.

"Can you replicate that now"?...is the ONLY question Moshiri needs to ask our potential managerial candidates.

Having just shown him our 6-0 demolition of Coventry back in '78...that's MY Blues!.

Jeez...that sixth goal,beautiful, absolutely fucking beautiful.

As for my Man?...sadly not a prayer.

No return of former managers please. Those of us old enough will remember that the return of Kendall was a mistake and the second return was just pitiful.

I am not one of the Moyes bashers – I enjoyed watching his teams most of the time> I'm not advocating his return, but of all the (realistic) names being banded about, he's the one who would at least get the three-toed sloths which make up two thirds of our squad running again.

Everton must be the biggest mugs in the history of the game.

Did Real Madrid come in for Klopp? No. Did they come in for Tuchel? No. Where the courting Pep? No. They went for Everton's manager because we are a fuckin' soft touch.

Rooney, Lukaku, Kendall to Spain Alan Ball, John Stones... the list goes on. When is this club gonna grow a pair and say "enough is enough"?

Over 50 fuckin' years I've been supporting these pricks and everytime we looked like getting a decent team, manager or player, the fuckin' rug is pulled from under us.

A very very frustrated Blue at the moment.

The worst thing is, whoever comes will want to evaluate the team and, by the time he realizes most of the players are shit, the transfer period will be almost gone.

Mike G #495,

Don't worry – he will have the knives out for the next manager too.

It is easy to criticize. It is much harder to propose positive solutions.

Can we just stop mentioning Gerrard like it's ever going to happen. Lampard too.

Next manager – Skybet odds as an indication:

Nuno Espirito Santo
11/8
Eddie Howe
5/2
David Moyes
10/1
Rafa Benitez
10/1
Graham Potter
12/1
Roberto Martinez
12/1
Antonio Conte
14/1
Duncan Ferguson
14/1
Frank Lampard
16/1
Paulo Fonseca
16/1

The trouble is, we are a 10th placed team with a ropey squad and a limited budget. Very few managers of calibre will be interested. I'd include Moyes in that just about. He's on a cushy number at WHU and being paid well. Why take 4 steps down the league to rebuild Everton?

And the point of it all is the state of our squad and budget. We are not Chelsea when Tuchel arrived, brimming with talent but underperforming. We are really average with no attacking options at all. And we don't have a proper budget to rebuild either. We're constantly papering over the cracks of a crap badly assembled squad. That's been the real achilles heel, not the managers we keep losing.

I dread to think what Godfrey, Digne, Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin are now thinking. But they must be wondering whether they are at the right club.

You're right Kim and all of the talented boys (not that many) running for the exit doors. I honestly think it would be a mistake for Everton and Moyes to reunite, rarely works out second time around.

If Gerrard coming leads to a lynching of Kenwright and Co, it might be worth it!!!

Why do people obsess with Duncan Fergusons role?

Firstly he was just a coach for most of these sacked managers. Secondly he coached the team for 3 games and done a fine job.

Is it too risky to say he might be good at what he does? Are we sacking the physio aswell?

It's anyones guess how much input Ferguson had in the team but I doubt he got his full ideas in place?

It all depends on what cv you want in terms of manager and maybe it is too big a job to take on at first but where does the negative impression of him come from?

It seems purely invented on assumption to me.

Conor @512,

Your last sentence cracked me up.

Mike

His nations league campaign ended with a 5-2 loss to Switzerland also. Okay, that competition is just a step up from the MLS cup but I still feel he could've done better.

Good grief... this man's team formations were unpredictable, but I didnt expect this. This isn't great.

Ancelottis major influence here was to attract players... get us to a next level, so to speak... I can't see Eddie Howe attracting the likes of Rodriguez.

C'mon Atletico...!

"It's increasingly difficult to give a monkey's about any of the whole corrupt circus."

The Machine, and its effects, are everywhere. Even one's hobbies and escapes from it, are all now in the mix. Nowhere off limits. No peace. The gradual managed decline to Future World. Buckle up...

Moshiri is going to have to come up with another big name Manager. That was his plan so now he has to continue. At least he has Ancelotti's compensation package coming.

Dear Matthew @533,

I am afraid that I will have to correct you. Everton - Coventry 6-0 was in November 1977. The day I became an Everton fan.

What a fantastic match.

Henrik

So you decided the only way was up?

Don Carlo probably had a clause in his contract that, if a Champions League club came in for him, he could walk.

Only EFC could sign a manager on 4½-year contract on £9M a year and get fuck all compo. Everton that.

Carlo's departure is just a smokescreen to distract us from Con Ouzounidis leaving.

The trick is to judge on what you see not the name, CV or history.

I feel little angst over this because the actual evidence hardly ever matched the hype and Carlo looking out for an escape route became increasingly likely. The puzzle is why so many continued to ignore the evidence of their own eyes continuing to wallow in the "Magnifico" fable.

The next incumbent should be judged on what he does – not what has happened under different circumstances nor where he arrives from.

I mean, to be fair, if Madrid want you, that's got to be more appealing than our shit-show, hasn't it?

I'd have gone as well, I reckon. Nice & sunny too. If anyone in Madrid fancies offering me a job, I'm all ears. Will dance for sapphires.

I'm pleased that Carlo has gone - and that he'll be taking his boy with him who never convinced me he was a decent coach. And if Carlo takes James and Allan, then so be it.

I'm more worried about what we're left with. Do any of us believe that any savvy manager would want the Everton job with the likes of Iwobi on the books?

The bigger worry is that other clubs will come in for Calvert-Lewin, Digne and Godfrey and leave us with the relegation fodder of Iwobi, Sigurdsson, Delph and Gomes.

Brands will need to really earn his keep in the coming weeks. I just hope that Blue Bill is kept well away from any negotiations. His continuing influence at the club is shocking and a huge worry. Moshiri must be one of the most gullible people on the planet.

Incredible. Absolutely in-fucken-credible.

The fucker isn't even Spanish.

What a repudiation of the Everton organization as a whole this serves as. More uncertainty, disorder and a now confirmed lack of progress. What the fuck the next manager will do with the likes of Doucouré and Allan would be anyone's guess.

Just another kick in the balls as an Evertonian. I really can't wait to see what happens next!

We really ought to have hired Bielsa. Unbelievable.

I can see a Gary Larsson cartoon....

Carlo Ancelotti hesitated as he waited to sign his contract for Real Madrid. "Do I really want to do this?" he thought. "After all, Everton have Iwobi, Delph, Gomes, King and Bernard. Then again, Real Madrid have Modric, Benzema, Alaba, Kroos, Isco - oh what am I thinking? Give me the fucken pen!"

Robert #541, spot on.

Kieran #554, either way, we've been Conned.

Daniel A. #540, thanks for posting that list. Interesting that Nuno is the favorite even with all the reports about him agreeing to terms with Palace. Remember, however, that Skybet isn't posting odds based on what they actually expect to happen, but with the purpose of attracting bets.

Martinez would be a 1000-1 shot in my opinion to leave the world's #1 team. And a million-to-one to be offered the job.

I'm gutted, absolutely gutted... and I don't know why? The football we played was dire, his signings crocks, and the second half of the season was shocking. But I'm still gutted.

Carlo Ancelotti was our manager and I was proud of that and was keen to see who we brought in in the summer, but now it's up in the air.

We need to go after a big name: Simione, Conte, someone to stop us being a laughing stock!!

I think we should aim high and go for Poch or Conte. If not, just appoint Dunc. I don't want Eddie Howe. I wouldn't mind Nuno, but it's a no to Howe, Moyes and Lampard from me.

Kind of feel now how Stan felt when Eminem never answered his letters.

I genuinely worry for Moshiri in his meeting tonight:

Kenwright: "We'll it's obviously ‘Davey Moyes, Davey Moyes, Davey Davey Moyes, he's got grey hair.'

Voice of doom Kevin Ratcliffe pipes up: "It's a shit show, Mr Moshiri, but I've been talking to Colin, and I know he's cracking on a bit but I fully believe... me and him."

Duncan grabs him by the throat and the only decipherable words heard are "Snidey bastard!"

Moshiri's phone goes and 5 seconds later he says "We can get Oleg Blokhin, it's him." Brands behind him massaging his shoulders whispers in his ear "Wonderful choice, Mr Moshiri."

To be fair, I just want someone who will play attacking football and not ruin the majority of my weekends.

Give it to Duncan, end of. Let's see the players take the piss out of him. He'd nail them to the dressing room wall.

Real a nice cushy job, be mad not to take it. Just proves that for this challenge he wasn't up to the job.

Robert #541,

Sadly, I'm afraid I agree with that.

And now those who wanted Carlo gone can put their head on the block and say who they would want. Perhaps. Perhaps not.

Real Madrid, Juventus and Barcelona are all set to be BANNED from the Champions League this week. (Source: La Reppublica)

Perhaps this is the reason that Real Madrid moved so quickly, as they are currently a Champions League club and Carlo may have had a get-out-clause that meant Everton had to release him from his contract, whereas, if La Reppublica is correct, by the end of the week Madrid won't be a Champions League club. Not that it matters.

Conte is the only manager available who is comparable with Ancelotti. Moshiri might try Bielsa though.

The Ancelotti compensation package might enable a backroom clean out.

For someone who had so much experience, he certainly had plenty of howlers. I liked the idea of having a Carlo, world renowned... but, at the end of the day, he was Mr Average for getting the best out of players.

I am not worried he has gone – just terrified regarding who will replace him. Oh for a manager who knows what he is doing.

I feel for the Chairman, Board, Directors and fans, they and we have been treated so badly by this man. Carlo's musings that he was here for the long haul and loving project were untrue, the first big club offer comes along and he's off. Farhad wont be sending him a Christmas card he must be very disappointed with the whole thing.

It will be interesting to see what Marcel serves up having a "clear plan" as to what the club wanted transfer wise after discussions with Carlo. This managerial move could have serious implications for team building as the new bloke will have to make his own assessments, its always fraught being an Evertonian

I hope we appoint a younger Manager with high energy and work ethics, someone who is going to build his career here. Please no ex-footballer who has been over promoted and without having the real experience of managing.

And summer player signings are now going to be thin in quality?

Post 62, 128,131,200,222, 303

I'm sorry that you guys are feeling this clear sense of betrayal... but don't take it out on me.

I wrote an article on the eve of Carlo's appointment. I stated very clearly that I didn't think he was the right man and would not gain success without the top class players he is accustomed to be surrounded by. A forgone conclusion, I called it.

Does that make me right? Fuck no. He has been worse than I could ever have imagined.

Despite all the flack, most people gradually realised he could not get a tune out of this squad and began to come around to that thought. They began to blame the players for all of his short comings. Carlo could do no wrong.

Reading this thread, I suspect even Carlo's most loyal of acolytes are slightly relieved. It was becoming increasingly difficult to excuse and defend him. He has been a complete shambles.

Before we all get carried away talking about the next manager having to get Top 4 to escape crticism. let's give it a little thought. Whoever the poor fucker is, he will be inheriting the total shit-show Carlo leaves behind.

All the next manager has to do to improve on Carlo Fantastico is to finish in the Top 9 and play a bit of footy.

Carlo will be more suited to Real Madrid. He won't need to depend on his legendary pulling power, because the club already have it and will provide the Galacticos. He can then resume dining with a silver spoon in his mouth.

I won't play the idiotic game of naming the next manager. The usual suspects are already lining up to kick the hypothetical arse out of this imaginary contender. Let's find out who is actually in the running first before we have that debate.

Whoever the next manager is, I wish him well with all my heart, but I will not be happy-clapping anybody before he has given me good cause to. I've seen too much of it.

Maybe those who told us we were lucky to have Carlo will learn a little something too. Maybe they will wait for the next manager to actually achieve something before they commence with the Coronation.

I love Everton, and I only love managers when they can stand on the front of the open-top bus waving a trophy.

Let him go. Farewell.

I'm not even bothered about Carlo's cowardly and rapid exit. After his shameful defensive tactics at home last season, we should all be relieved it's over and he's gone. There no way I fancied a repeat of that next season.

The real question now will be: Who will our hapless owner Moshiri choose next? Nobody will have a clue.

Surely logic dictates that, after 3 awful choices so far (Koeman, Silva, and Ancelotti), he is due to pick a decent manager, hopefully suited to our style and expectations. I wouldn't bank on it though.

Rob, and Thomas... seriously. What's the compo going to be? Am l imagining things or did 'we' not pay Watford months on for getting Silva when he was unattached? Or do they get Carlo for free because they gave us James?

He had a contract. It's down to Evertonians to boo him and drive him out, not for another club to just claim him. Cheeky bastards. I think the job was beyond him anyway.

Fingers crossed for Nuno. Although he copied my beard, he worked wonders for Wolves.

Jumped before he was pushed, we will never know.

One thing's for certain: we genuinely need our next manager to be a 4- or 5-year appointment with some longevity.

We need to build and chopping the manager every 1½ years is killing us.

Was Ancelotti ever really an Everton manager? The whole thing always felt odd to me... very odd. Moshiri had his Hollywood manager which he baited with a massive salary but I'm now for long-term pragmatism with a slow rebuild.

Who we should get, I don't know... I just hope it's not another false Hollywood uncomfortable fit appointment like Don Carlo – who always had one eyebrow on the exit.

If there is no compensation package, Mishiri is a lulu.

Saddened really, saddened that we have lost a manager that had a great pedigree but also slightly hurt by the fact that Carlo had his head turned as soon as a bit of skirt went past and one that had given him the elbow not long ago.

I think he'd clearly realised that he was out of his comfort zone managing such absolute dross.

I have always had my doubts if the job was just never really for him, if you can't supply him with world class talent then he's not a manager that can build a squad from nothing or turn water into wine.

I still didn't see this coming, mind you, it's all happening so fast it's hard to take in.

The last manager who I genuinely think was hurt to leave Everton was Roberto Martinez, maybe we should have just backed him with the millions we pissed on Koeman.

Nice of those to let the rest of us know that we would miss them or that they are the target of some misplaced enmity intended for Carlo. A very modest offering, quite comforting. Let's stay focused on the club for the moment.

I like Ancelotti but I'd be lying if I said I'm devastated to see him go. I always hoped his reputation and record at previous clubs would manifest itself sooner or later in improved performances for us but it just didn't happen.

The question of whether he would have accomplished the kind of progress we are looking for in two or three years will never be answered now. Let's be honest, our football in the last few months was at times shocking.

The question of who should take over is now paramount. Let the board take their time and get it right.

What worries me most of all is the feeling that we have to start again now. New manager, new style and please God new players. This is going to take more time, more patience. Have we any left?

Well, joking apart, unlike some, I will support anyone named as Everton manager up until I think their sell-by date is gone.

Carlo has said "I have been presented with an unexpected opportunity which I believe is the right move for me and my family at this time".

His recent experience of that break-in at home has very possibly upset his daughter so much (who disturbed the burglars) and (therefore) Carlo and wife as well, that this is a contributory factor if not the major factor.

Expect the new manager to appear from football's global database. The one for rich business owners, managers, players and most of all their agents

These people run, and often, ruin our game.

Little or no chance for up-and-coming talents, too risky for most Premier League clubs no matter how good they might be.

Expect another from the same old merry-go-round

There are a better class of burglar in Madrid, they don't mess the house up like our kind. I heard that the scrote who broke into Carlo's shit in a big pan of beef Bolognese that was on a low light for after the match and his Mrs had to throw half of it away.

Kieran #554. Good post. Really good post, in fact.

Conte? No thank you very much. Conte would fight with everyone and piss off even the tea lady. The man is a mental case, a dangerous lunatic. He'd strangle Kenwright if he came out with his boring, “I lost my virginity in the boys pen” tales.

He'd scare the crap out of the accountant and he'd have Dame Edna over the boardroom table quicker than you can say Pinocchio. On second thoughts...

Chelsea can afford to get in a different manger to see if they can get a tune out of a world class squad worth billions every two years.

We have an ageing squad devoid of any real quality and every 1½ years we reset all the time. It keeps holding us back and eventually it will catch up with us and prove costly. If there is any big club in danger of falling out of the Premier League, it's Everton FC.

I was hoping to have a few weeks off twitter and ToffeeWeb due to the end of season shit!

In reality, I can't blame Carlo one bit. Personally, I was hoping for him to be a big success but the end-of-season pathetic collapse had me worried about another costly sacking?!

I think our ability to attract star quality players has reduced but not sure if that's a bad thing?!

The ex Wolves man Nuno for me!!

It's shite being an Evertonian!

I'll be honest with you: I'm not that bothered. I thought the 2nd half of the season we were awful. We got annihilated by Man City who were beaten by Brighton the week before. We got beat by Sheff Utd, Fulham, Villa. Our home form was atrocious.

I don't believe there's any connection between Howe's move to Celtic falling through. Reading between the lines, it sounds like our board has had this sprung on them recently.

You've got it in one, Barry. It seems the Everton Board were more than anxious to split with Carlo to avoid what had already become clear -that a parting of the ways was likely to become necessary 'ere long. And would have cost massive severance pay.

I read they are meeting tonight to launch the replacement exercise which, I suspect, will charge Chairman Bill with the lead role of the appointment process. No doubt the sounding out of David Moyes will be his first action and it will go downhill from there. Neil Young, anybody? He won more FA Cup games than Carlo did last season!

Seriously speaking, the guy has proven you can't polish a turd at Everton. In fact, he kept polishing and took all the fucking shine off it also. Never the right man.

We need a fighter, a fucking war horse at this club, starting with getting rid of every single backroom staff and coach who has been here for more than 2 years. I include the CEO of this club also who is pointless in the structure of the club.

Secondly, why stay at Everton with a shit team living in a miserable country like England and where they rob your fucking house while your in. I seriously am happy he's gone... but so is he!

Thanks for the memories, not.

Useless in my book.

Good riddance.

Let's be honest: we played some of the worst football I've seen since the late 70s... Cushions, anyone? But we beat Leicester, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea – Champions of Europe, Arsenal etc...

But the season will be remembered for the fuckin' awful football served up at Goodison Park. So not a shock for me. Those big names that may have been coming now won't. And goodbye to James.

Managers and players come and go... me, I'm still here and always will be. So we start again... and we still have a load of shite to get rid of.

Brent 583

Fair point I suppose!

Shame the law never catch or do anything to stop these little scrotes burgling houses of football managers/players.

A manager, like many others who has been exposed when faced with trying to turn an Allegro into an Aston Martin. If he'd been given £200 million for players he'd have turned us round in 3 years. It was always going to fail. Put Pep in charge now and he'd do no better than Carlo. Not Carlos fault. I think he expected more monies to play with. Let's get a sensible managerial appointment who can coach hardworking players. Come on Moshiri, sort this mess out. Not an Allegri, not a Zidane, a sensible hardworking long term appointment. It's time to get sensible

I think Conte would be a decent choice but the question is: Would he mind if his house gets burglarized lol?

Also, agree with Colin G. Where is the live forum?

Conte as next manager. We could do with a crazy m*therf*cker to shake this club out of its slumber. Good pedigree also.

Alan # 527. Long time no speak. How ya doing, any chance of you re-joining our little group?

Regards Madrid, me and the missus spent a few nights there a few years back, and honestly, we weren't impressed with the place at all. Didn't find the people particularly friendly and was just like any other capital city in the world, grim and a bloody rip off place. Preferred Barcelona. Definitely a city we won't be returning too.

Opinions on who should be our next manager seem to be very divided here. Would it be possible to organise a ToffeeWeb poll, listing the names of likely candidates. A clear "winner" might consolidate our ideas. For what it's worth, if we can't tempt (hopefully we can) the likes of Conte, then I'd consider the unmentionable former RS player, or Lampard

If you're looking for pedigree Colin is right, Luis Enrique would be preferred. I'm trying to get the logic of adding more instability and reactivity to the rebuilding process.

I really don't think this is a loss at all, it was dire negative football. They need someone young, ambitious who will take the club forward. I've read a few articles from players and other coaches saying Graham Potter is a very good coach, plays good football, but importantly has an excellent rapport with his players and staff.

Kieran @ 554, you mean yet another Con ? :-)

Like most I was thrilled when Ancelotti was appointed and his name could attract players like James and Allan. At last we had a world class manager but the last 6 months have been a total disappointment and not just the appalling home form but the style of play, too.

Some of his selections have been strange, to say the least, and his substitutions were usually like for like and far too late.

After blooding Gordon he seemed to have lost interest in the younger players and often had two 'keepers on the bench. Since December I can't recall a game where we were comfortable and I could have nipped into the kitchen for a cuppa.

The next 12 months would have been crucial both in recruitment and the style of play. Another season like the last one and I think he'd have been sacked anyway.

I have no idea who I'd fancy for the job but the likes of Gerrard, Lampard and Howe have, hopefully, no chance. We need a proven manager who is prepared to deal with some of the dross we currently have on the books and who will, at least, give some of the younger players a few minutes.

Carlo Ancelotti...the luckiest man in football.

Good riddance.

I'd have pep he's a nearly man in Europe lately. Just when it was announced I got a call from a UK number. I thought they were desperate and calling me. I wouldn't have done any worse than the last few managers.

Marc 602

How long patience wise do you seriously think Graham Potter would get from Everton fans though?

I personally guarantee you that it would be Marco Silva written all over it again, defensive disorganized and fans using these players fragility as a stick to beat Potter with.

Personally it's a poisoned chalice the Everton job now.

At least he left us with a game in hand 😂.

On another note, according to some news outlets, Bielsa's contract ending in June! Another fine candidate maybe!!? Barring his age.

We are losing a manager that in 18 months finished 12th and 10th playing awful negative football.
The next manager we get will believe that he can do better than 10th and also have us playing on the front foot especially at home.

This club is just the equivalent of a skateboarding otter, pure novelty value no one takes it seriously anymore. Some of the managers names banded around are pure fantasy, it will just be some B grade domestic to manage our woeful squad of underachievers.

Rob, unless its with the blues in erm Europe.

Carlo backstabio Carlo he leavo, first opertuno, take the de niro, madrid is calling we are in moarrrrrning, no understannnndo, sort that eyebrow out.

The upside to this is his dog won't be shittin on the north Wales beaches

Jim @607

Yes maybe your right, lovely football but again defensive nightmare.

Whoever takes over, whether it be Potter or a top end manager, this job is not an easy fix with this group of players, I can imagine that a lot depends on what Mishori says they have to spend

I was going to write a review of the season and talk about how indifferent I felt about Ancelotti.

We were dreadful to watch last season. Dreadful. I'd have put up with it as a means to an end if we'd got into Europe, then bought better players, but we faded badly.

He didn't trust half the squad and didn't trust his own ability to get more out of them, so he kept it tight, nicked one and then didn't even do that.

So for me this is an opportunity to reset, with plenty of time to set things up for the season.

I'd like to be entertained, excited, off my seat. Pace, purpose and a genuine desire to win.

It's only a disaster if you wipe last season from your memory.

I felt lucky with Catterick, Kendall & Royle because they won things. That's when I'll next feel lucky.

Carlo gets tapped up and takes the offer and Everton are to blame just because of the small club mentality attributed to them by fans who think small?

Nuno must be a shoe in and be good for Pickford. Wouldn't have minded Bielsa, with a nickname The Madman ie. 'El Loco' he'd fit the the bill for Everton. Why he watches half the game looking like he's having a dump behind a hedge though might be misinterpreted.

Scenario 1: we appoint Conte, lauding a real coup for the club and continuing our tradition of much decorated Italians. We sign Ashley Young as RWB and get Aaron Ramsey on loan. We finish 8th. Ian Edwards decries the worst football he's ever seen. Colin Glassar blames Iwobi.

Scenario 2: we appoint Benitez, lauding a real coup and continuing our recent tradition of shit talking spaniards. We sign Pedro from Roma and JonJo Shelvey. We finish 8th. Ian Edwards decries the worst football he's ever seen. Etc.

Scenario 3: we appoint Nuno Santos, lauding a real coup because he got Wolves into Europe. We sign 2 dozen Portuguese players registered with Mino Raiola and play sparkling football and finish 8th. Ian Edwards says he wants winning football not the new Kevin Keegan. Colin is relieved to see Iwobi sidelined due to the arrival of no less than 7 portuguese wingers.

I'll stop now.

Not that fussed that CA's gone.
Don't like any of the candidates mentioned so far.

But I'll put my tin hat on and throw a name in which I personally think might do well here given the circumstances. A bit left field. But he built a team that brought success and takes no shit and has a bit of fire in his belly.
Nigel Pearson.

(If I get lots of crap for mentioning him then I'll blame the heat!!! But there are worse candidates in the running than him. No star names, ex-blues or RS or relegated managers).

I don't know what the manager's brief will be but EFC feels like a salvage operation at present.

617. Very good Robert. I am a perfectionist.

Nuno seems to be getting plenty of voters on board, with some bookies even making him favourite for the job. Just one thing I'd like to know though, why did he leave Wolves, had he had enough and got fed up, and more importantly, would he do the same to us? Not exactly my first choice, but if he could get Raul Jiminez and maybe Neves to come to us, then maybe I'd give him a chance.

He has let us all down. Shame we can't throw him in the Mersey.

Strange timing in that immediately after the Everton recruitment meeting the Real Madrid opportunity came alive.

We could all speculate on the reasons but if you had to deal with Brands, Moshiri and Kenwright all with different opinions wouldnt you jump at the chance of managing Real Madrid.

Nuno for me is a portugese Moyes. He will have us consistently around 7th but will not break into the top 4 although bringing Neto and Jiminez to us would be attarctive.

Moyes has committed his future to West Ham but that means nothing in modern day football and if they go for Eddie Howe I see the championship beckoning.

Every manager has a price, how otherwise did Ancelotti end up at Everton? It had nothing to do with his 12M wages but he came for the love of the club!!! I am sure Conte would equally be interested in that sort of money. Give it a punt to find out as I agree he would shake the place up and that is what we need right now. Give him 100M to spend get rid of the dead wood and let's start again. We need some continuity but in reality, Ancelotti promised a lot but did not really deliver. If not Conte then, Nuno is the pick of the rest at the moment.

The Bielsa squat is unnerving but when you engage it fully it is entrancing. Dude is locked in and that cannot be debatable. If we could get our choice of Bielsa or Nuno I think that would be the end of the small club tag.

And Rob, let me speculate that the Carlo move was out there by the time Nuno announced his departure. Never heard the details but others have noted that a family preference drove the announcement at the time. Things change quickly in England.

Bloody hell- 600 posts to wade through- cancel the TV this evening.
I so wanted him to succeed but was not convinced by him. Defensive, no energy, no passion in the team. We are not ready for this type of manager. Brands quite rightly wants to build a team based on youth whilst Carlo is used to buying experienced players. We can't afford to finance that and risked losing the bright young stars like Nkounkou,Small,Onyango and Sims to name just a few who must already be fed up at so many appearances on the bench but no real time on the pitch.
We need to revert to the Brands formula sprinkled with a few class experienced players and get a manager to inject passion and energy into the team.
Who that will be I don't know but I suspect this has been going on for a good few days now and I wonder if that is why Howe turned down Celtic?

And so you should be Ian. 👍

For anyone calling Carlo for going. It's Real Madrid, one of the biggest club's in the world.And he's only getting paid half what he's was getting with us.

Everton in a nut shell. So much hope followed by reality. We are a club waiting to be relegated not a club looking to win the Premier League.

Rob 620

I read a few weeks ago that Nuno leaving was based on "mutual consent" with the club feeling he had run his course, and he agreeing to leave. I've since read other papers indicating he initiated the departure so who knows?

There is a case to make for Sean Dyche of Burnley. He knows the Premier league, he can get a tune out of a modest group of players and he will not be poached by the likes of Real Madrid in 18 months. He would provide stability at a time of turmoil and I believe he has Beaten both Liverpool teams this season and is starting to make a habit of leaving Goodison with maximum points, 2 wins in last 3 visits!
By no means everyone 's Cup of tea but he is under 50 years old and would provided some stability for the club.
I would love to get Tim Cahill in to work with Dyche and be developed for the future. COYB.

What other Premier league club has gotten a billionaire owner only to go backwards every year for several years.

Apart from the new stadium plan, and lets face it theres still plenty of time for that to go pear shaped, the whole project seems to be almost comically led and executed.

We're rapidly becoming the laughing stocks of the league and i'm increasingly worried that its going to end badly.

and probably an invitation to do Florentino's PR work with some future icing on that cake. Perhaps his entry into RM's mgt, wouldn't take that 6m figure on its face.

If we want a replacement that will stay with us for the long term we can't go for anyone who like Carlo Stabbedusinthebackico is just marking time until one of the European super clubs decides they need a new guy at the helm and off they go. Whether we like it or not the last long term decent manager we had was Moyes. Since he left we have struggled. Our best season was the first under Martinez when we finished 5th. After that it's been nothing but mid-table and I count any finish that doesn't get us into Europe or relegated as mid-table. The club has achieved nothing and its cost 100's of millions to do it. Eight years of total failure.

Rob #599: Yeah I'll be back at some stage as soon as I get the memories of this awful season out of my mind.
On the games since Xmas, it was clear by his attitude pitch side that Carlo had lost interest in Everton, as had the players and we as fans we had lost belief. For that reason I'm glad he is gone, but i'm not optimistic about the future. It just isn't possible to have all these managerial changes and hope that things will somehow work out, they won't! I personally would favour Moyes as the next manager with Dunc as his assistant, that would give us some sort of continuity, as well as a pairing that have a history with the club that can be built on. Mind you, if it is Moyes, before he is accepted, the Cunt will have to get down on his knees before Gwadlys Street and apologise for his 'moving to something better' comment.

Dave 625, not short of upcomming left backs are we

Mike 618. You been on the pop.

Ian 619. I look forward to your posts now knowing the subject matter will be different hopefully.

Whoever the new manager is will probably take a season to realise what we all already know about the squad then given 6 months to turn it around before being sacked.

This Gerard shit better be nothing more than a rumour, if he ends up at Everton i'm fucking done, I fucking detest him.

John Boswell, I reckon he'd be worth a punt, he only signed one player last year Dale Stevens for a million, he might be more expansive with better players and a bigger budget, one things for sure he'd make sure that every player left everything on the pitch

Rob (620) despite how much of it was reported Wolves sacked Nuno rather than him resigning. They said they want to go in a different direction whatever that means.
Lovely from Barcelona today re. Ronald “we've started a period of reflection and we are evaluating”. Doesn't sound too promising.

I'm totally ambivalent about this. I was excited when he came but I've been underwhelmed by his tenure. Pedestrian, plodding l, passionless ponderous play for the vast majority of games.
Was he really the man to turn us round - I suspect not. He didn't have the drive, motivation or skill set to do so - and deep down, he knew it too so he took the easy way out. The king is dead, long live the king...whoever he may be.

Take the money we received to buyout his contract and use it to buyout Bielsa's contract at Leeds United.

David #635 we have two potentially very good players there and they won't hang around if the manager won't give them a chance.
The more I think of what has happened the better I feel. The two goalie subs or failure to name a full bench was a disgrace as was the refusal to give King a chance and I can't help but feel that we have saved ourselves a shedload of compo here.

Great news the ice cream man has gone. Carlo's football was dire to watch no passion or coaching from the bench, he would not of lasted to Christmas so we have saved millions on his pay out. He (and the players) got away with it with no fans in the stadium the booing would have been deafening. Team selections were appalling- Iwobi Holgate starting regularly Delph on from the bench! No opportunities for Youth, 2 keepers on the bench regularly! King never started! Defensive set ups against lower opposition at home - and still lost. He even said we had a good season- we finished 10th.He was no better than the previous 4 full time managers, possibly worse, I will now renew my season ticket, been there since 1964 so I have seen the good the bad and the ugly.
Plenty of good managers will be available we need someone to shake up the players and demand a winning mentality. Duncan/Cahill food for thought.
Crosby beach now free from a meandering docile old man walking a dog.

Rob #620 One of my mates supports Wolves and he was very sad to see Nuno leave, as are most Wolves fans. The majority realise that he has been unlucky with injuries and lack of squad depth to cope. The only drawbacks from what I can see are whether the squad depth was from his own making.

Apparently he likes strong team togetherness and a smaller pool of players to pick from. My mate said the football has been negative at times but he did say that had a lot to do with the aforementioned injuries and squad depth this season but he believes that could change with different players.

Apparently he's a really ethical guy too and gave away his own wages, donating to local food banks during lockdown. This might give some indication as to why he chose to walk away from the job. Maybe he honestly felt he'd taken Wolves as far as he could.

I think Howe has the greater potential but he's also the biggest risk. I can't help thinking he's another relegated Martinez clone who can set a team up to play nice football but has absolutely no idea if the other team sits back.

I think the realistic choice is between Nuno and Dunc but I'd love us to bring in another high profile manager, albeit younger like Conte, or Poch.

Conte? Allegedly an angry b-----d. No thanks, the present band of Brands' band are too sensitive for his 'hard love.'

Chairman Bill's influence means Moyes must be seen as favourite but Nuno's recent joyful exit from Wolves tells me he's got something lined up !

Bit of a surprise this but, frankly, I couldn't care less.

Awful football. Let's do better.

Moyes FFS will this nightmare ever end. Robberto's football in attack and fat Sam in defence then??

Cheers Gavin. As I said, if he can get Jiminez and Neves, and of course Neto to make the move, then maybe I will back him, because at the moment I don't feel like backing any manager anymore. A real stab in the back today has been. Like you though, I'd favour Conte or Poch

if you were a conspiracy theorist, and god aren't we all after this year, you would have to think the players got wind of this weeks ago, hence the dreadful form. And if the players knew, so did the owners. And then you might think, why the hell has Moyes not signed that contract

Being reported that there is NO compensation as he had a clause put in that he could leave if another CL club came in for him.

The timing is interesting because it is also being reported that in 7 days time Real MAdrid will be banned from CL which would have negated the compo clause.

What was that about Satans curse.

And this is what the bookies say.
Next Everton manager:
Nuno Espirito Santo - 13/5
Eddie Howe – 3/1
Rafa Benitez – 8/1
Antonio Conte – 9/1
Wayne Rooney – 9/1
David Moyes – 14/1
They are not usually that far off the mark.

Pickford, Keane and Siggy were all signed for Koeman four seasons ago!

If I was in their position it wouldn't be hard to not take the next mug errr manager seriously. Is it fair to ask why should they take the next manager seriously?

There is absolutely no foundation for success at Everton, other than perhaps a vague hope in Brands. As others have noted, for the amount of resources and time wasted to get this far is almost scandalous.
The club really needs to examine it's structure and consider it's next move very carefully. It's not unfair to say that the wrong move has us sliding off the map altogether.
We are living in interesting times.

Any news on what compo we are getting from a bankrupt club.

Daft question, but has Marcel Brands got any managerial experience? He wants younger players, so at least he would play them if he was in charge!

Good riddance Carlo. Onward and upward but please not that dreadful Wolves Manager.

Unlikely candidates #1 The Neville Brothers. Phil is a former player therefore that old chestnut of only former Everton players winning trophies at Goodison could continue and his brother is so critical of Everton that he comes across as a closet blue and dislikes the neighbours as much as we do. It's clearly a winner for the family club to have a pair of brothers managing us.

In my view Ancelotti has gone because Real Madrid came calling unexpectedly and he has jumped at the chance.
There is nothing the club could do once he really wanted to go back to Madrid.

It's not because his house got burgled. Half the footballers between Formby and Alderley edge have been burgled.
They just get more security.

Also I don't think any new manager will need time to assess the current squad as managers are knowledge about other teams players and will more than likely know our players well and be aware of their lack of real quality.

Ancelotti has shit on us. Fuck em!
We move on and please God get it right this time.

For Everton to change requires massive personel change and winners at the club. We have none of them. Duncan out Denise Van Outen out, Rhino out, Bill step asidose now Thankyou for your service and loyalty. We need a fresh start with a new stadium and a manager that pisses on our miserable mediocre history because he has done so much more and is hungary for more. Step up Stephen Gérard and turn this fucking dinosaur around.

Alan (634)... “it would give us some sort of continuity “. Dear God that's the last bloody thing we want..”continuity “!!!!!!!!!!!

If I was CA I would take the three years offered by Real. He will last 12 months and be paid off for the balance. He is a vastly decorated manager who is by now a busted flush and it will not take Perez long to find out.

The look of sheer bewilderment on his face at some of the totally disgracefull home performances by HIS team is something I never wish to see again from an Everton manager. Let's get a German manager who can kick arses and offload most of the crap we have on the books.

Up the Blues

We agree on something Martin.

I thought there was a tension between CA and Brands with recruitment; Brands young and hungry, CA proven but best days behind them because let's be honest the james of the world wouldn't be here otherwise.

Disappointed but onwards and upwards, to hopefully some stability.

What about Timmy Cahill with an experienced coach alongside? Is that too Bill??

Wayne Rooney? Ffs...

Keep Moshiri and Kenwright out of the selection process even though it is total guesswork.

Treacherous and Cowardly. Gone for the money and not the history and legacy he led us to believe he had come to Everton. Just hope we stuff this down his throat at Bramley Moore. Don't give me all this crap about RM and family. The feeling of being used and violated by this so called honourable man and his family and he signs for the most corrupt and pampered club in the world. Perhaps, the Spanish Governemnt will give them a huge bung like they have often done ro will they send in the army to intimidate any clubs who dare to chalenge them. At the age of 68, this really shows me that with my heat trouble that I will be better in my grave, i am that incensed!

Not surprised at all.
The way he treated James Rodriguez fitness problems saying they were light problems (WHEN THEY WERE NOT) during months made it clear he wasn't honest. So why would we want someone like that as a boss?
Hope Espíritu Santo comes!

The two best managers in world football are Jurgen Klopp and Diego Simeone in my opinion.

Klopp is never coming to Everton under any circumstances.

It's a wild ambition but just throw as much money as possible at Diego Simeone and leave it on the table for him to decide.

Otherwise you are looking at options which will be a gamble which managerial selection almost always is.

If you want a safe pair of hands then Sean Dyche has done a remarkable job at Burnley and is the pick of English / British managers for me. Much better option than Eddie Howe or Graham Potter.

If you want a foreign manager with experience of the Premier League then Bielsa is the way to go as far as I'm concerned. I haven't been as impressed as others seem to have been with Nuno Santos.

Rafa and Gerrard are ultimately a no under any circumstances for me and I would turn my back on the club if we ever made a shameless approach to Steven Gerrard.

All in all we have lost a wonderful manager but it's an opportunity to do something different with someone who potentially will be in it for the long run

Take off the blue-tinted specs and it's shockingly easy to understand why Ancelotti jumped at the chance to switch ships. He had a group of players that he claimed would require a magician to successfully turn them into a more expansive side, and then Real Madrid come calling. After a year and a half at this club he probably realised that any hope of being the manager to significantly improve our fortunes was atrophied by the reality that gradually dawned on him. Maybe he was the wrong manager for us, or maybe another two years might have been enough to turn the corner and finally get us off Mediocrity Avenue - but the man has no obligation to see out his contract, and while it's annoying to be so suddenly reminded of where we are in the pecking order, it's not like he's dumped us for a club of a similar stature - he's gone to one of the biggest clubs on the planet. Maybe one day we will have that prestige, but right now we are something of a hot mess (although many would see Real Madrid that way too, but at least they have that prestige).

Rob, I'm despondent too, can't get excited at all at the moment about the new manager, whoever it is. I think Conte and Pochettino will be looking for better options, I can't see it happening. It would create some excitement and positivity if it did. I really like Pochettino, I think he could embrace the project and would knock he whole club into shape from FF to the first team.

Of the others whoever it was I'd want them to come in with fire, desire and fully motivated make a difference. God knows who'd be qualified do that, Nuno Espirito would be my choice from the list above , it's going to take someone with a strong and determined personality to bring EFC up to speed.

The Moyes critics on here piss me off.

Look at the rebuild Moyes has done in 18 Months! West Ham were relegation fodder with riots in their own stadium. Along comes Moyes and its champions league fights and decent players like Coufal and Soucek.

"IF" he comes back he would do a decent job of rebuilding us thats for sure.

Now Ian and Darren come to the rescue. Who should the new manager be? This is just too sweet to believe.

Len, 585:

Good stuff. Been a while :)

Damn it, i've just remembered Spurs are also looking for a manager.

Dave 642, completely agree. Why was Nkounkou dropped and not seen again till the final 10 minutes of the season? Actually, l wamted him gone but also thought perhaps with one more window lets see. If he can just move on with any compensation to us its a disgrace.

Jack @653, likely to have been an 'easy exit 'clause in his contract and the 'lack of noise' from Everton indicates they were glad to be rid.

Time to start afresh, and and after all the abuse Carlo got from Ian, his choice is Eddie Howe!! Sacked at Burnley and got B'mouth relegated, you couldn't make it up.
Poch would be a coup, not staying at PSG, would be guaranteed a big salary, budget new stadium, and no interference from the owner, why would he go back to Levy, and Kane leaving? If not Lampard, his team won the Champions league, and would bring Gilmour and a few of the Chelsea young players with him.

"Whoever the poor fucker is, he will be inheriting the total shit show Carlo leaves behind."

Did Carlo not inherit a shit show?

"Im not playing name the new manager"

Only because your bumped up ego won't allow you to put yourself up for the slagging you would get if your choice didnt work.

I can't understand why people are disappointed he is gone. Three centre backs in a must-win game against Sheffield United and two holding mids. The worst home record we have seen.

As for attracting top players.... Allan? He isn't exactly setting the Premier League alight. James maybe... but he is constantly injured. Young players would never get a chance under him. Good riddance.

Sammy Lee for me. Within time, everyone will get used to the smell of piss.

Daniel@672 I agree. But you won't convince the majority on here I'm afraid.

None of the above mentioned excite me. Nuno puts me to sleep and his group hugging after every goal is a bit weird. He's too laid back (similar to Carlo for my liking).

I don't want fucking ginger, Howe, Dyche, Potter, Benitez, Lampard or any other of the aforementioned losers. I want a revolution from top to bottom so we need a psycho nutter like Conte to shake things up. Or, a mini Pep like Luis Enrique.

Both will burn out after two seasons but my god will things change at Goodison.

Christy. Don't misquote me. My choice is not Eddie Howe. I said IF it was a choice of Howe, Nuno or Lampard I would prefer Howe out of those three. Hopefully the pool will be wider than those three.

Benitez will change things at Everton. Mark my words.

So Ian Edwards and Darren Hind can rest easy now. The none happy clappers will now be happy

Who IS your choice Ian?

Daniel Johnson = " Wallpushers" Really? Unfortunately those wall pushers as you refer to them win fucking trophies. Typical Dinosaur Everton fan who thinks our mediocre History stands for something. Means fuck all and always has. You will be spouting the Blue "fucking donate a tin of Spam" Union next. Another fucking pointless Dinosaur.

Colin, so you don't fancy Nuno's gang then?

Got it! . Zidane!

If Big Dunc gets the job, l look forward to a 442 again. He had a lot to say to Carlo during the Sheff Utd game and was ignored. Not that many options but Conte and Poch are not on the list. I think Moyes will stay with the hammers. So that leaves Dunc or Nuno.

AND IN OTHER NEWS England release the names of the Euros squad a day before they play a warm up game. WTFak have l entered the twighlight zone?? Its also reported that the released Lingard will start the game. So England go into the Euros not knowing or even playing the shape or 11 that will start. Fecking unbelievable if true.

Carlo out

West Ham went Hollywood with Manuel Pellegrini the result was wasted money and a fight with relegation.

They went for a more pragmatic rebuild approach with Moyes and have reaped the benefits.

Our next manager needs to be a builder and an organiser. We can save our Hollywood manager for 10 years from now when we hopefully have a squad of players worth more than a crock of shite.

Carlo the rat,
Hope Madrid have a sh-t season and he gets the sack.
Time for Dunc to step up.

Oh my giddy aunt, couldn't make it up, could you? I am believing that it's all part of some cunning plan.

Chris Wilder anyone? At least he's got some spirit and stands up to anyone not in the club.

Yep Ian, no hiding now mate!

On the exit: “Everton would like to place on record its thanks to Carlo for his service to the club over the past 18 months."

Submitting it for the record is about as cold as it gets from a club like Everton. This was a raid and contractually (translation:reputationally) we were not well set for this. It was a move getting Carlo here but we could not secure the terms to prevent this from happening. Recent appointments indicate anything but a small club with respect to the market for coaches. So yeah, place your bets out loud or make your future criticisms in whispers thank you very much.

James posted on Twitter. He said "Here is my house in Colombia. That you for the good passes today."
As ever, totally on top of all things Everton related.

Been working like a dog all day and then had 3 pints of Cobra in the pub. Got home to hear this shit show with RS mates ringing for hours!
Well, Carlo can fuck off...another mercenary, like so many players. The soul has gone out of football.

Not really Rob. He comes across as a bit of a company man. Someone who tows the party line. We need someone to rock the boat and change the clubs mentality.

Daniel A, at least you have the balls to admit being a Moyes devotee.👍

Not really Rob. He comes across as a bit of a company man. Someone who tows the party line. We need someone to rock the boat and change the clubs mentality.

Daniel A, at least you have the balls to admit being a Moyes devotee.👍

Henrik #551, Spot on,after today's excitement I was only a year out!.

Jeez,I feel so old now...shit.

Andrew, RM's perceived prestige comes froml Franco's henchmen going into opposition changing rooms with machine guns and clear death threats, the underhand loans and grants illegally taken from the Spanish Govt, the dubious deal for the sale and return of their so called historic training ground. Yes, they may win stuff, but that sort of prestige is that similar to the trappings of fascist regimes et al.

Dale

I noticed that too. About as minimalist as you can get. Take it they weren't happy

I guess I was wrong, Colin likes Conte. Counte me out.

Bill, 641, there is no compensation money and Bielsa is 4 years older than Ancelotti at 65.

I was truly chuffed when we got Ancelotti.

When things were going wrong I didn't (didn't want to) believe that he was the wrong man for the job and wasn't up to turning it around, or greatly improving the players under his charge.

Sadly, I guess I was wrong.

I can't help thinking we'll end up with Rafa, not the worst choice but his brand of football is also dull.

I wonder if Jose Mourinho is the name Moshiri wants?

Colin I'm not a Moyes devotee far from it but there is this hysterical negative attitude towards him on here. Carlo £9M a year, 15 fuckin trophies got us no higher than fat Sam. If anything fat Sams footie was prob better.

We are in need of a rebuild and for me Moyes is good at doing that. I cant think of any other manager who is capable of rebuilding us like he could.

French newspaper "Libération" are reporting that Pochettino has asked to be released from his contract at PSG...

Yeah Kieran, I think they get a pass considering they simply didn't have the position to demand exit clauses. The timing is brutal but knowing what we know now we either pull back to more dedicated servants or we leave the table when courted by gold diggers who will not sign a decent contract.

Judging by this tread Bobby, You happy clappers are certainly not happy now, but that`s no fault of anyone on here

You must be asking yourself what it is you were clapping for the past 18 months.

New chapter. I bet the next fella, whoever he may be, finishes higher than tenth and we will play better football

Best of both worlds, a mixture of Conte and a German: Stefan Kuntz.

Daniel 709

The pitchfork mob are out " If anything fat Sams footie was prob better."

Bobby,

After you have asked yourself that, ask Darren for his preferred new manager.

No bigger winner than Jose, no one better to sort out some of the no marks in the squad, provider of a clear tactical plan and structure. Master of the tight 1-nil win.

Very happy with this news.

I always said he is not the answer to our problems. He is just a outdated mercenary.

Now please move on to Bielsa or big dunc. No one else please.

Oliver (637) - I too detested him as a player df or the RS - BUT - if he came here to manage Everton and did a good job - I could forgive him.

I was under the impression that Mourinho had taken the reins at Roma?

Ray #716

Hes the new manager at AC Roma.

Jack#504

God forbid.

Lyndon, No Pochettino on the TW poll list ?

I know it's very unlikely, but it's slightly more of a possibility than Simeone .

Ha ha what a mistake to make!! Wake me up after the Euros someone. I am done

Good riddance to him, his son and his mercenary friend James. All pulling a big salary out of the Club while contributing nothing.

Ive heard Poch is going back to Spurs. Will be announced in 2 days time. Think there's a very goo chance that Conte goes to PSG. Mourinho has just taken over at Roma. Simeone is not an option!

Pochettino won't come to Goodison, if he's released from his contract with PSG he'll return to Spurs.

Conte is Barcelona bound as Koeman has gone

OFM, Mou, Fat Sam, Stevie Me or other inflammatory choices are not some space for the snipers to hang out. Stay with those suggestions without tabling any other choices and you effectively eliminate your voice on the subject.

Big Joe Royle coming up on Talk shite.

Should be interesting

Another problem we have now is that the utter dross at the club will now be given "a season to prove yourself " under whatever new manager we get. You couldn't write this shit!!

Who's your choice Dazza?! Rhino, Dunc or Rooney?

I'm surprised, or maybe I shouldn't be, about how little attention this is getting in the media.

POTTER for me, he could bring with him DOBBY, Richalisons mini me.

Jerome 720 - What I meant was - our mangers go on to better things - well Koeman, Martinez and Ancelotti did. If we had players who did that it would mean they have been a success here and we make a profit, instead of giving them away for f all.

Bielsa would be a dream but to reality.

Let Duncan have a go with some ex Blues as assistants. The likes of Baines Cahill possibly even Rooney.

At least they understand the club and are loyal (apart from Rooney). Foreign managers do not really get us.

Bielsa can do for us what he's done to Leeds but cannot see him leave them.

I doubt Darren and co will put forward a preferred candidate to take charge. It's so much easier sniping from the sidelines.

My choices (in order) would be:

Luis Enrique
Ralf Ragnik(?)
Conte

Kevin Campbell on Sky reckoned with should go for the best available and mentioned Conte. Is he in the know?

Darren 728

What did Joe say? I got the impression he wasn't too impressed when we hired Big Sam. If so, I can only imagine his views on everything since.

Julian, the BBC website are still showing a big headline “Liverpool's Alexander Arnold in England squad for Euro 2020”.

The biggest football news of the day is neatly tucked away underneath a picture of the ugly aforementioned RS player.

A day to remember on TW.

Posters gloating at a bad day because they got thier wish is poor form.
Thier determination to be "proved right" overides thier concern for the fate of our club after yet another backward step.

Maybe someone off the wall like Roy Keane?

What about Joachim Löw? He will be out of a job after the Euros.

Bet the champagne corks are popping at Mosh's place now the sword of Damacles of another huge pay off to clear out CA has been removed.

We paid top dollar for an elite manager and it flopped horrendously so every justification in revisiting the Kenwright model. Appoint an unknown like Moyes for relative buttons until he proves himself or save even more dough by giving it to Dunc!!

CA and Madrid getting all the flak as well - old Mosh must be sitting there glugging on the champers murmuring "now that's what I call a result"

Gareth Southgate will be our new manager after the Euros it's already in place, Stevie G to replace him. Watch this space, gonna put 50 on it.

I really hope that Ferguson gets it. Only then will we see the end to sentimental, nostalgic Horlicks which is the root cause of the failure of EFC to move on. Give him the reins and watch the car crash. Only after reaching rock bottom will Everton fans eventually learn that we have to build from a solid base and have the patience to grow a team with commitment and brains. We must either clear out Finch farm - or let the dinosaurs take over.

Daniel # 726. Where are you reading that Koeman has left Barcelona? I've just googled him and the most recent update, about two hours ago, says he remains at Barcelona but needs to take a pay cut.

Colin

The problem with Enrique is he is managing Spain and I can't seem him bailing before the Euros. Which would mean a protracted summer long chase like with Koeman and a reduced window for signings/training involving him.

Ian Smith 743

How on Earth would Southgate work out? At best he picks no more than two Everton players at a time. That would be 38 forfeited games.

Jack#733

Got you now. Thought it was the other way round. Unfortunately we have too many below par players that would not get the contract they are on anywhere else. Probably one of the reasons Ancelotti is gone.

Those that say that Conte will go to Barcelona or PSG are probably right. Ponchettino to Spurs, the fool. We are probably in the realms of the dreaded 'up and coming manager' circuit.

Bielsa probably the best, though how would he get on at Finch Farm. Zidane would be better, has a good headbutt.

My favourite is the Colombian manager. Seems to know a committed player when he sees one and if his aim is 500% he may be able to change things that badly need changing at Everton.

I know Rob. Same with Sky earlier when the news was breaking. The banner headline was TAA in the England squad. They call themselves a news service! When Mourinho was sacked it was headline news for 2 days. I detest Sky.

Thomas, spot on mate. This has possibly set us back years.

I think of those available and achievable then it's probably Frank Lampard. Well liked - good front for the media going forward and could take some credit for Chelsea winning the Champions League. Also putting Klopp in his place at Analfield is a positive!

We should set our standards and sights really high. What about Joey Barton?

Dunc's put as The Echo say Carlo is taking his whole backroom crew to Real. Hold up, looks like one man was omitted from the list.

Zinedine Zidane is available - just saying.

He will be sacked within 2 years I guarantee. He could've built a legacy at Everton, but he chose the easy option. Next time I hear a manager bleating about how they're do unfairly treated, I'll just think of this and shrug my shoulders

So Carlo turns out to be that really popular girl in school everyone dreamed about going out with but you snagged somehow because you were “quirky”. But she really wanted to shag the captain of the first XI all along and quickly dumped you.

You can do better - what about those nice girls, Miss Potter or Miss Howe your Mum likes? Even if you do really fancy that slatternly Ms Conte...

So why has Ancelotti taken a 50% pay cut to leave Everton?

Did he challenge Moshiri's publicly stated view that we have a great squad of players who just need managing properly? I suspect he did and Moshiri wouldn't listen. I think Ancelotti's recent comments at press conferences that he's ‘not a magician' and that ‘we are a team that's better without the ball' speaks volumes. I think Ancelotti knew damn well what was wrong and what was needed to repair the team, but Moshiri and maybe Brands wouldn't have it.

In addition I think the burglary at Ancelotti's home earlier this year will have impacted him and his wife.

More to this than Real came calling and he couldn't resist I think.

The more I think about it the more I believe this was a mutually agreed decision. Carlo gave up on us and the board gave up on him. This way, everyone gets out relatively unscathed.

I just want someone to work with Brands to overhaul the squad by bringing in and coaching young athletic players. That is our only way out of the mire given our meagre budget (hindered seriosly by players deteriorating in value). To me that's probably Ten Haag, Potter or maybe Santos.

Rob #636

Have I been on the pop?
LOL. No, I haven't yet.
But there are some on here who seem to have been on the lash all afternoon (without mentioning names).

Some have suggested Simeone / Poch etc. I'll have some of what they are smoking. I like ambition but it has to be grounded in reality. Pearson or his ilk is much more realistic and appropriate given where we are on the expensive road to nowhere.

This club needs a massive reality check. Our pulling power is poor. No trophy for 26 years, no Europe and a lofty 10th after the millions wasted. Any star name is only coming for the money and taking the piss in my opinion.

We need to build again much like (sad to say) after the Walter Smith era. I don't particularly want DM back but the job he did and is capable of suggests someone (unknown) of his type is required rather than a Big Time Charlie.

Unless we get the right man this time (rather than another impulse buy at the checkout), I think our top flight tenure is most definitely at risk next season. There are not too many of this lot I'd want in the trenches with me.

And the recruitment of the last few managers since DM left does not suggest any clued-up thinking in the Everton way (whatever that is these days). Allardyce to Ancelotti could be a new mockumentary.

Have I been on the pop?
EFC is, as you well know, a very sobering experience with a guaranteed kick in the nuts as part of the deal.

Root and branch job at every level if we are to progress. Not “lipstick on a pig”.

Everton have said we are looking to bring in another "Big Name" coach. Hopefully its not Rooney 😬. Define big name.

Everton should insist that Carlo can only go if he brings Delph, Iwobi and Sigurdsson with him.
A lot of speculation about Poch going back to Spurs, didn't he leave over Levy?

Sotiris Papagiannopoulos @ Soren

Lets have this right, Moshiri has picked the last four managers.
Nobody else. Let it sink in.

He will pick the next one too. 2 things we know he definately does, is picks the manager and give him some spends.

Brands is on a 3 year deal isn't he? I can't see the owner leaving it to Brands. Sadly this time it'll be harder to get the big name Moshiri likes to bring.

Once the target is decided, all three clowns will sit together and discuss how to get him and what direction to go transfer wise.

Before Moshiri arrived we had just been in 2 semi finals and not long before, reached our best prem points total.

We haven't looked closer to a trophy since. All facts.

Not surprised really. Lovely sunshine, champions league and implement methods with quality players. However, have we improved under Carlo? No is the simple answer.

Who next? Let's stop please aiming for the stars before building foundations. In the defence of David Moyes he made us regular top 7 and one 4th place with a limited budget with a average squad. A better squad and few more additions could he do better? Does he deserve a second chance? None of the other managers being mentioned have Everton in their heart and passion for Everton to succeed than him.

Rafa is short term, do we need a manager with a long term plan? His reported "small club" comment is hard to forget if results don't go well. Nuno is a contender due what he has done with wolves is incredible. Football is good on the eye and only for a injury hit season top six may have happened. Big Dunc is a possibility but does he feel ready or want it?

Its the next chapter of Everton... anything is possible!

The scum that burgled him are partly responsible.
His daughter disturbed them and has since developed severe anxiety as a result.
She wouldn't stay in the house alone.
Who can blame him for not wanting to look after his family.
The poor girl was terrified out of her mind.

Mark #734 Yes, if Dunc was given a go, it would be nice to have some blues like Cahill and Rooney besides him but I'm not sure if Rooney would give up a managers job to be a No.2. As for Cahill does anyone know how he's been getting on with his coaching?! He's one person I think would make a good transition into management or coaching. He comes off really well whenever he's a pundit and he's a born leader.

We have ex managers now manging Real Madrid, Barcelona and the No.1 ranked country in the world Belgium.

Maybe the players are just crap after all?

I'm with Colin thinking this is a mutually convenient decision for all players - Everton, Real and Carlo himself. That being the case you would think Moshiri has a cunning plan but what is it?

Goodnight toffee Webber's I'm off to watch The Still Game with a Whiskey & Coke, hopefully when I log in tomorrow you will have chosen a new manager for our magnificent club.

Biggus Dickus is a big name, Soren.

Colin#757

I agree. Anchelotti was really putting it up to the Board, Management and players, of Everton, including Brands at the end of the season. I think it was essential he qualified for Europe to stand any chance to push through the necessary changes. He was a lone voice and probably realised that nothing was going to change.

The team where not playing for him , so the vibes where being filtered down. Interestingly , the Stalwarts where confident enough to come to the fore in the Media at the end of the season.

Probably celebrations at Finch Farm that Ancelotti has gone.

Strange how somebody who exaggerates his own performance, tells fibs about his desire to stay at Everton until the new stadium is built and routinely changes jobs or is fired on more than just a few occassions is then somehow seen as a desirable candidate for another job. Personally I would be dubious about employing anybody with that kind of record but I guess that's how con artists end up with mansions and flash cars, they always win on one of their tries. My worry now is that he might tempt some of our best players to Real.

MH 759. 'Unless we get the right man this time (rather than another impulse buy at the checkout), I think our top flight tenure is most definitely at risk next season. There are not too many of this lot I'd want in the trenches with me.'

Bloody right m8.

Ron 772... who are they? I'm struggling to think of anyone that he'd want to take with him

Gutted to see Ancelotti left, 59 points was decent for our form in recent years. I think he could have got us close to 70 with 3 signings.

Christophe Galtier of Lille would be interesting, not sure if he speaks good English, but money talks.

And he knows how to blood young pacy players, sell on, and bring another one in and blood again.

We don't need to get a new man in. The right guy is already here. Step forward Duncan Ferguson. Yes he has limited managerial experience, but he does have the highest coaching badges you can get. Plus you have to start somewhere. Pep was a reserve coach before he got the top job. Give him a chance at least.

I agree Paul, give Pep a chance.

Paul 763, stop making sense. 5yrs, circa £0.5b and 7 managers later and we are still knocking around mid table.

Its as if people feel that if they criticise Moshi, they are scared he might pull his dough and we will be truly screwed. So they keep giving it to Kenwright as the easy target.

Unfotunately, Moshiri was a day late and a dollar short and to my mind clueless. Certainly from a football perspective. Today just laid bare to the football world what many of us already know. In today's football world we are irrelevant. A sad fact to those, like me of certain generations who have seen succesful teams.

It's proven by the fact that Carter was at the forefront of the PL breakaway at a time when Everton were still seen as one of the 'Big 5', even though admittedly we were in decline. We continued to be ran like a corner shop despite the money pouring into the game. Don't seem to be run much better now just stumbling from one failed manager to another and average players on big contracts we can't get rid of. The fact Besic spent 7 years at Everton should be subject of an investigation alone.

Near 30 yrs later, the only one of those five clubs not in today's big 6 is .....!!!

To get relegated Everton would have to fail to accumulate around 35-40 points if any incoming manager can't achieve that, even if we concede that this squad is a poor one, then we might as well sell all of our high earners and send out the u23s for next season.

I'd ask Duncan to take the job for twelve months, whilst the club has an honest appraisal of what it wants to be in the next five to ten years, and then it might be able to choose the right manager for that vision.

And we're screwed..to leave and earn half of what he was on at madrid, I reckon he knew we were a sinking shit that not even he could fix..

We are in big trouble. We'll get Eddie Howe and just watch him be sacked next year as we will be hovering above relegation.

Utterly fed up. Not with Everton but the saviour Carlo. He was going to lead us into the promised land, take us into our new home and yet clearly he was waiting for bigger things! The man has no integrity at all and yet I dared to believe in him.

So what's next? Do we risk a top manager who will leave at any moment or do we go for Moyes or Howe or similar? I know how I feel today.

It's a tough decision to bring the right man in but for my money id rather have somebody that wants to be at Everton and will stick around for the long term.

So goodbye, Carlo, a man who allowed me to dare to dream and yet let us down. You won't be missed.

If Moshiri is half the man he think he is, he'll release a statement saying he was going to sack him next week anyway.

Leonardo Jardim For me. Won the french league

So who are free agents right now? Conte and Villas-Boas comes to mind amongst the better known continentals. Both fairly recently out of jobs.

I'd love for Big Dunc to succeed. though.

Paul @776, Kenwright is gonna wet the bed tonight with excitement. His dream of dreams is happening sooner than he thought. The Everton Family management team of Ferguson & Unsworth is going to step forward into the limelight.

Oliver @637
I think we all felt that about Gerard when he played for Liverpool. However, I would take him in a heart beat. He is a winner, demands the best from his players, and boy would it piss the RS off. What he's done at Rangers has been nothing short of remarkable

The only issue being that once Klopp left he'd probably jump ship straight into that role

Joe why pretend Kenwright picks the managers though?

One thing is massive for us. The next buys need to be perfect or the new man has the same problems which is a slow, thoughtless, injury prone squad.

Paul 776,

Why would Duncan be the right choice on what basis should he get the job?

He's 50 this year and has only ever managed any football team in 4 matches in his life.

He's also been a key member of the last few management teams that have all under performed.

Daniel (767),

You've hit the nail on the head there. The managers we have sacked are now managing Real Madrid, Barcelona and Belgium!!!

It doesn't matter who our manager is. Give it to the tea lady. It makes no difference. While we have shit, underperforming players displaying a lack of effort, no manager can make us work. We've all worked alongside a lazy sod. You might tolerate it for a while, but at some point, you start to resent it and you start doing less yourself. This is the Everton culture while we have players like Sigurdsson, Gomes and Bernard in our midfield. How on earth are the likes of Besic still on our books?

I'm gutted tonight. No one can seriously blame Ancelotti for going to Real Madrid. He's back in the big time at one of the top 10 teams in world football, playing in the CL! If he has struggled to get a tune out of some of these players, we are fucked.

A new manager will come in, he will crack the whip and get us going again...and then the good old Everton disease will kick in. Effort levels will drop while we see players running down their contracts and putting in fuck all effort. Results will drop off. And then there will be fans calling for the new manager's head, he will get sacked and the cycle will begin again.

Ancelotti has called the players out at the end of the season there. He's no doubt asked for reinforcements having made the strange decision to name 2 keepers on the bench towards the end of the season. He's then had a meeting with Brands and co where they have talked about our budget for the coming season. He's then left the club. Makes me think he knew he was going to be lumbered with the same shit old squad next season, with a limited budget for bringing top players in. And he's jumped ship.

Ancelotti made some very strange choices at times last season. Performances, selections, tactics could all be criticised. But I can't help thinking we are fucked without him, certainly looking at some of the potential candidates to replace him. Bad times to be an Evertonian...

Paul, I think he still has some influence though (but we will never know) with his Romantic Idealism.

Ian @743 and Kieran @746. Yep, Southgate would be an ideal fit. He likes an unbalanced squad (like we always seem to have) and picking unfit players (we have loads of them!). He has also produced some dire directionless football from teams packed with talented players.

After the usual Euro Championship wheels fly off, he will also have a track record of failure that would fit us like a glove. Oh, and he's a nice chap too.

Expect the appointment a week after Scotland do a job on the missing midfield and temporary/stand in England centre backs.

If Duncan Ferguson gets the job, then there is definitely no chance of Moise Kean coming back. Maybe we could sell Moise Kean to Real Madrid??

I actually thought this was all smoke and mirrors but I was wrong obviously, can I speak again on this site.

David @778. Why wouldn't he?. We have tried all sort of managers. The young up and coming manager( Martinez and Silva) the top player who is now a manager. ( Koeman)And the world class manager (Carlo, )all failed.

Joe 790 he is more likely to pretend he does mate.

I've just seen the current standings for preferred new manager.
Leading the popularity stakes are managers who'd have zero interest in Everton if it wasn't for money and who'd not stick around for long. Has nobody learned anything?
We need someone who'll build, who feels blessed to be here, who can pick out a diamond in the rough. Someone who is a decent human being and a savvy football tactician.
Someone who can deliver a Martinez first season with the consistency of Moyes.
And who is that person? No bloody idea.

I thought Carlo was the answer proved wrong again, is lamm the ex Germany manager available ?

Rob Halligan

Fabrizio Romano who broke this story just Tweeted that PSG are negotiating to get Moise Kean on loan again

Colin (770), I'm afraid you're wrong. I suspect its " Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crasscrenbon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-spelltinkle-grandlich-grumblemeyer-spelterwasser-kurstlich-himbleeisen-bahnwagen-gutenabend-bitte-ein-nürnburger-bratwustle-gerspurten-mitzweimache-luber-hundsfut-gumberaber-shönendanker-kalbsfleisch-mittler-aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm".

John Skelly, you clearly have a history of getting things wrong, so give us a list of your favourite candidates so we can rule them out.

Kieran, apparently Kean is also interested in going back to Juve now Allegri's gone back. I think there's very little chance that we'll allow Kean to go out on loan again whoever the next Everton manager is. We want a sale to reinvest.

The Daily Mirror are really pushing Moyes. If he does end up coming back he can hopefully pursued West Ham to sell Soucek to us.

I posted on here after the last game questioning whether Carlo was even the right man for us.

If we need a rebuild then, no, it's not Carlo. If we thought we could add a few big names and challenge then, yes, he'd be the right man.

My fear was that we'd fall inbetween the two because we had Carlo available. Basically keep us around 10th until the stadium is built.

So I'm not devastated. We can pick a manager that fits our current predicament and can start the process of rebuilding this squad. Carlo wasn't that manager.

Dad @797

I think you mean Joachim Löw. He's been touted before and is a good shout having recently become available. I can't see it happening though.

The pragmatic in me wants Potter. It makes sense on paper and after Carlos turgid set-up his expansive, chance creating style would be a breath of fresh air and give cause for some optimism. He's also British which I think will be something fresh too. 14/1 looks a big price for me.

Shouts for Conte etc are crazy, in my opinion.

I agree we need someone who can build, but he's got to be a strong personality. The cosy mediocrity that runs through the club needs eliminating.

Who could come in and totally change the way the club operates to make everything more professional? The last thing we want is a weak yes man that slots into the same failing systems.

A team builder from the bottom up with gravitas with a strong no nonsense personality. I want someone to give us an identity and get us playing as an organised team like Leeds but with better players to get us further.

No name jumps out as being the obvious choice, or one that everyone would be happy with. Ive resorted to praying that we get the right man in.

Andrew @786: Dont be bloody ridiculous, Gerrard would never ever, be accepted at Goodison

Today is the day when it was officially signalled to the whole world what has been obvious to all of us for some time: There is NO F****** PLAN.

Our squad may be second string, lazy, overpaid chancers but they were all sold the promise that this was a club that was going places. So did the succession of managers - WRONG

Which player or manager - who could genuinely be a catalyst for change - is now going to buy into Project Everton - a club that couldn't even get into the Europa league or finish above Leeds - managed by Ancelotti.

Anyone clinging on to a fresh start optimism here is delusional.

I'm afraid we have to accept the bitter truth that we are rank average club run by people who are rank average.

Duncan I just gave one 797 baby steps for me.

Roy Keane would do me. Need someone who takes no shit and tells it how it is. Not against Dunc but worried he can't be objective with his affinity for the club.

Low lost me when he overtly picked and ate bogies on the touchline, for the world to see on live television. Has some pretty vile scratch & sniff tricks too.

Wow !!! Some controversy here guys.

Firstly, Gerrard !!!!!! Come on think straight. Irrespective of the fact he was a Red what has he done. Led Rangers to beat out one other opponent to win the Scottish title. It's not worth mentioning.

Ancellotti is a quitter and getting the Blues to finish tenth even behind promoted Leeds was awful. The last 5 months alone were enough to have doubts about what he can still do.
He started basically with a defeat to RS reserves and ended with a 5-0 drubbing by a City team with nothing to play for.
If it weren't for the win over RS there would be nothing to remember him by.
He came in for the big money, did nothing and left for even bigger money. Good riddance.

Will (809), Imagine him standing in the dugout at GP and eating that shit ffs! No thanks.

Jardim + his scouting team will do it for me. Same team that unearthed gems such as Mbape et. al.

Gavin

Maybe we can do a double deal for Soucek and Moyes. Have Soucek sign his papers first then say “suckers” and leave Moyes and Karen Brady in the lurch

What about this for left field.

The season of clubs going back: Allegri to Juve, Carlo to Real, Poch to Spurs (maybe).

How about Martinez?

He still speaks affectionately about our club. And maybe his time as Belgium manager will have seen him develop and mature (and set up a defence). After the Euros, it may be time for a return to club football.

Madder things have happened

Fran

I'd sooner see Souness back at Liverpool

Here's an idea: why not get rid of all the players, sack all the staff, and sell the properties, then share out the proceeds among TW members.

Then we can all go and support a proper football club...

Ron (772) You are worried he might tempt our best players to Real. I don't know who you have in mind but to listen to some fans on TW we do not have players any big club would be remotely interested in.

I actually thought it was lamm not low but in hindsight one was a great defender for Germany

Robert Miller 806 - 100% correct. EFC are a rank average outfit run by an idiot and his cronies WITH NO PLAN and backed by the biggest mug going. it takes time for the masses to accept the truth. But alas, they find enlightenment. I'd say a lot of the fan base are actually culpable in this - should have demanded the Big Actor sling his hook years ago.

You reap what you sow.

I'm in the middle of driving to Austin, TX and I just got the news.

We are fucked. Awful news.

A feeling of resignation (no pun intended) is my reaction. Who will be the next manager - well I hope it isn't any on this list in order of aversion:-

Gerard
Rodgers
Benitez

I should really research my facts and names but where is the fun in that

Said it a million times but it really doesn't matter who we get in….the fish rots from the head

Thanks for weighing in Soren. Jardim is an interesting candidate.

You beat me there, Soren.

Ron @772. Please don't post your concerns about Real taking our best players on twitter. RS fans are enjoying this too much already.

Good news Big Sam is available, he will get up to 7/8. and he was England Manager. Joking aside this will be Everton's 6th manager in 8 years, what a disgrace.
We are now back to square one, hiring a manager to get the squad we have into a winning unit. Five have failed so who will want this hot seat and be successful.
I see people suggesting managers from the lower half of the league, Why ? they have not won anything., and what makes people think they will be capable of turning the Everton squad around as most supporters think 50% of them need selling.
We don't need someone who plays nice football and remains mid table, we need a disciplinarian who doesn't give a f--ck about reputations, we need someone who knows the game not one who is learning.
Please don't mention Moyes name he is the past we need to look at the future before we end up like Sunderland or Sheffield Wednesday.
I do not have an opinion who we should hire but German managers seem to be the flavor of the month. Bielsa with Leeds seems a good choice, but would he leave, plus he had the luxury of being in the championship league for a couple of seasons to build up his team.
It seems at Everton supporters want instant success, and that is not going to happen. This latest fiasco makes me believe that we are not giving any manager a fair chance of succeeding. The next one has to be given a chance, we are not Chelsea where managers are fired regularly with the understanding they have world class players and a new manager has to have results instantly.
Any new manager at Everton should be offered a rolling contract that depends on the position or trophies he achieves, if they don't want to prove how good they are to bad, get someone who will.

Re 'we want someone who takes no shit', that's a nice fist-pumping, snarly-faced sentiment, but these days, will get you/us nowhere.

Whoever the next manager is, a lot of his success/failure will depend on whether or not the players like him or not.

That (as frustrating as it might be) is the reality of football in 2021

Moyes knocked chips on the head at Utd's canteen, players had him out of there.

Mourinho (who has 'won everything') wasn't 'liked' by Utd players, so he went.

Players are in charge now and the days of 'Shanks' or 'Cloughie' etc sticking players in the reserves until they shape up are long gone.

Once a player signs a 4/5 year deal for 50k or more a week, he's made for life and his manager can scream til he's red in the face, if the player doesn't like being shouted at, he won't perform and there's nothing anyone can do.

Remember Koeman tried the hardman act with Niasse and Niasse was there well after Koeman had gone (in the words of Alan Partridge 'read your CONE-tract')

Whoever can go in and get them to want to put in the sweat and effort and desire of (for example) Liecester will do me.

Peter @808
We could do worse as he would certainly not accept the efforts and mediocracy we witnessed in the past few seasons. I also understandthat he gave Jordan Henderson his break in Sunderland so has an eye for honest talent and leaders

This is good news for the players and bad news for us in the sense that whoever comes in will probably need time to assess the squad before clearing out or buying new players, especially if its a coach who hasn't worked in the premier league before. We will probably have the same bunch of players for most of the season.

I wasn't a fan of Ancelotti, and like Mouirinho, I feel he was living largely on his past reputation. I would love to see Brendan Rogers take over, and we should go after him aggressively.

Sol Campbell! The diverse choice. Just imagine the ultra positive media headlines, until the first few games at least. Just lightening the mood!

If Poch doesn't go to Spurs then the media saying they will go for Christophe Galtier.

We should at least be speaking to Galtier as well in case Poch goes to Spurs. Nothing to lose by speaking to him, and not in contract.

I can completely understand why Real Madrid and Anceloti are once again linked but I'm really disappointed in him going.

We have hopefully got some large compensation for this at the very minimum.

But this us football, we move on.

For me line up Mancini for after the Euros or give Lampard a chance. Both have unfinished business in the Premier league. Both know what it takes to win in the Premier league.

The next one cannot be chosen by anyone else but Brands. He knows what the squad should look like in the next 18 months and what system it will match.

Under Koeman we brought in too many attacking midfielders which meant we had no balance, then under Silva, we recruited the right players for his system but didn't have enough all round midfielders so that when we changed the system to a 4-4-2 under Ancelotti, he saw we were lacking so brought in Allan and Doucoure thus meaning the likes of Bernard and Iwobi and Walcott were surplus to requirements.

Knowing us, we will go and get a gegenpressing coach which won't suit DCL, Gylfi or James so we have to spend again.

No! No! No!

Get a man-manager without a "philosophy" who is flexible in what they can do. Blimey, I don't like the cheer leader type of coaches like Klopp or OGS but if that is what it takes to get a tune out of this bunch of under performing clowns, so be it. We cannot keep changing the way we play and then ship in lots of players specific to that like Bernard, Schneiderlin, James, Gylfi, Klaassen, Gomes...it is not sustainable for another 5 seasons.

As for our latest former coach. He seemed to spend a lot of his reign trying to send a message to the owner. The one advantage of all our purchases in the last 5 seasons is that we have plenty of options, many of which he would not countenance, instead preferring to play a defensive and stubborn brand of football and overlooking Bernard, Gordon and loaning out the raw pace of Walcott so that we had nothing down the right when James was injured for 3 out of 4 games.

I want a coach who gets the maximum out of what he has available.

If big Dunc doesn't put his hat into the ring this time then he should genuinely go, I don't see what he can offer apart from continuity in failure.

Big Dunc and Unsworth no ambition to manage just after an easy life on the Everton gravy train.

Likely XI next season

Olsen
Coleman
Keane
Holgate
Godfrey
Gomes
Doucoure
Sigurdsson
Iwobi
Davies
Simms

Subs
Virginia
Kenny
Branthwaite
Nkounkou
Bannigame
Delph
Broadhead

2 questions Mr Ancelotti,
What about wanting to be here when BMD was ready?

Do you still believe the ESL clubs should be docked points?

2 questions Mr Ancelotti,
What about wanting to be here when BMD was ready?

Do you still believe the ESL clubs should be docked points?

Peter/Neil

Keane is great at publicly and privately belittling and humiliating players. Beyond that his coaching career is a dismal failure and he's a thug

Real Madrid will sack CA in a year maybe two - that is what they do- he won't care as he'll walk off with a massive compensation package.
Everton need someone to turn the club on its head and start again. Someone who doesn't suffer fools.
A Catterick or a Shankly type - showing my age I know- or a Kendall (even he took a few years to get it right)

Moshiri has to be taken to task despite the half £billion he's squandered in backing managers (and their signings) of his own choice, or the choice of those he trusted.

When he arrived there was comment on here from one or two of us alleging they were in the know with some FF staff. They reported Moshiri was ONLY interested in "yes-men" who kow-towed to his own football "wisdom". Fortunately for him the club was stuffed full of such people, and still is, courtesy of we all know who.

Moshiri is ultimately responsible. He's a proven football imbecile if the terrible decisions were his alone, and a proven football imbecile if any of those football imbeciles he trusted are still at the club, as they patently are.

So Mr Mosh, are you this time, for once, going to take advice from some other non-footballing nerd called Einstein and avoid proving yourself to be insane by now doing something different than before in the pursuit of your now sepia-tinted three-year "project"?

The next manager, for the sake of the fans and any chance of success, needs to make it very clear to our man in Monaco that he wants USMFF and the boardroom to be routed of the canker that's enveloped everything ever since the Premier League was incepted before he even contemplates signing a contract.

This is extremely disappointing. Even though aspects of this past season were less-than-encouraging (personally, I was more concerned with Carlo's inability to consistently motivate the squad down the stretch than I was with tactics), the club is never going to progress without some form of continuity.

Anyway, I really don't have the energy to whip myself into a frenzy over yet another managerial search. At this point, even bringing Moyes back would likely generate little more than an apathetic shrug on my part. I just want someone who's capable of actually sticking around for more than 18 months.

I feel let down, certainly, but that's as far as it goes. The season ended up being a big disappointment, and Carlo often looked as if he hadn't got a clue, which was rather shocking. Great stuff all those away wins, of course, especially the one that matters most.

I'm pretty sure Moshiri will prefer to appoint another established name. That probably makes the Fat Spanish Waiter the favourite.

Until the day the sentimental, old boys, sobbing clown that has presided over this clubs demise for thirty years is dismissed, nothing will ever improve. The end.

I have just read a post, suggesting we maybe relegation fodder next season?

Seriously? Got 59 points this season, which most years is Europe, even 5th!

Had Carlo stayed we knew we needed new players, that hasn't changed.

Relegation? Please.

As for managers? Poch, biesla and Simone absolutely beast their teams. Maximum fitness is a requirement. Trippier reckons the training at Athletico was tougher than Spurs. This squad isn't going to be able to do that without an overhaul.

In v late on this. Was hoping the rumours wouldn't be right. There has to be something behind this move that hasn't and possibly won't surface. This move away from Everton, and back to a team he was with previously, would surely put Carlo in the LOOSER bracket. But we know that is not the case.
Conspiracy theories please?

As for a replacement manager, why would Moyes be interested in moving back when he has just had his most successful year yet with West Ham?

As for the replacement for Carlo goes, if we don't get rid of the lazy, gutless, shit-stirring players within the current squad then it doesn't really matter who we employ as manager/coach.

On the lighter side, an early poster on this thread suggested the Pecorino guy. Can we sheepishly say it will be hard Cheese if we don't get him?

Whatever, we need to get a move on!

Gerrard??? What are you smoking?? He would be crying with laughter at the thought..

Poch?? Only Spurs..

Simione?? See Gerrard..

Conte???? Jesus fucking Christ he's just won Serie A...laughable..

Zidane??? Ever...who???

Bielsa??? Unlike Ancelloti I feel he is far too principled. Its also hugely disrespectful towards Leeds. They are better than us already under his stewardship why the fuck would he swop them for us??

We need to really get lucky this time, cause we know there is never any strategic planning at Everton.

Nuno for me. Knows the league, playing decent football and maybe has the potential to be the next Poch. He would also see us as a step up.

Yes Ancelloti came, he's 62 and left for RM. Sadly thats just football. However all he did was finish 10th playing mostly atrocious football. I seriously doubt he thought RM would coming knocking again but the reality is there are probably only half a dozen coaches in the world who would be ever considered due to the size, expectations and talent that needs managing.

Daniel@ 672, just like the rebuilding job Moyes did at Sunderland and Man Utd? If you are going to mention the minor success he has had at West Ham, surely you should also mention the disaster he was at those two clubs? Not to mention the great work he did in Spain!

Moyes is our ex manager and let's hope it stays that way. One good season isn't a good reason to bring the trophy less one back to Goodson

I don't remember seeing so many posts. This situation has really struck a nerve. I was delighted when we got Ancelotti and I have never slagged him off, but I have to say that I have been undewhelmed by "HIS" Everton. This was not the type of football that lights up a stadium.

I don't know what he would have done next season, but that does not matter anymore. HE HAS GONE and we have to find a new saviour for the sinking ship. This is a pretty useless post because I have NO idea or recommendations about who might be the best option as a manager.

Quite often I have posted this opinion about the present Everton team and whoever comes will have to do something about it. "I THINK WE WERE THE LEAST FIT AND SLOWEST TEAM IN THE PREMIER". I highlight to give emphasis.Football brilliance is useless without endeavour and FITNESS.

I also think Ancelotti knew he would be leaving before the last ten games of the season. He really had lost interest and this must have affected his general disposition as shown by many dreadful Everton performances.

There could be a silver lining here for those who hate Holgate getting a game every week.

Carlo thinks he is the "complete defender"..

Our last 17 games
Won 7
Lost 6
Drew 4

On the subject of who replaces Ancelotti. I've heard a lot of people saying get Conteh. I'm not so sure. He wasn't a bad boxer but I think he is a supporter of those that should never be mentioned.

I'm not even going to second guess who the next manager will be. I'll wait and see who the club appoint and then, as always, even if not my choice, I'll back him.

But; I do have a few caveats on who I don't want:

1. Duncan or anyone else from within. Stop this emotional nonsense. That's for us fans.
2. Him. The one I feel dirty for him ever having managed our club.
3. Moyes. He's gone. He never won anything here in 11 years and has failed everywhere since. He got West Ham into Europe. He done that with us and drank champagne on live TV.

And keep Kenwright away from this. Moshiri & Brands need to make this call.

In reflection on Ancellotti, I am hugely disappointed and feel let down.

But in overnight reflection, there are probably a number of things going on here. Firstly and, realistically, how does he turn that opportunity down at his age? As some have said, it's more his type of gig. Despite the reported financial troubles, only 2 points off winning the league this season and in the Champions League next season. Hypothetically, had they come in for a player, we'd have struggled to keep them.

I also can't help thinking the personal stuff may have played a part. Both in our later season form, and his decision once this became an opportunity.

And finally the fans. Carlo never really got an extended feel for playing in front of the Everton following. More difficult to connect and very sterile, but that goes for all clubs.

Let's see what the club comes up with next. Although this one was mostly out of our hands, just please stop the managerial merry go round whatever do next. That's why its so important we get this one right.