Ancelotti makes shock return to Real Madrid

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Gone!

Less than 18 months after he joined Everton as a surprise managerial appointment to succeed Marco Silva, Carlo Ancelotti has abruptly left Goodison Park to return to Real Madrid, the club that sacked him six years ago.

The Blue half of Merseyside was stunned by reports that broke late last night that the Italian was being lined up to replace Zinedine Zidane at the Bernabeu and events moved quickly today to the point that Ancelotti was confirmed as Real manager this evening.

It leaves Everton having to put their summer transfer plans on hold and scramble to draw up a shortlist of candidates to replace Ancelotti, with the likes of Eddie Howe, David Moyes and Nuno Espirito Santo among the early names being linked.

Zidane's decision to step down at Madrid had been on the cards as the 2020-21 season drew to a close and it sparked rumours that Ancelotti might be among the candidates to replace him, suggestions that the Italian laughed off during his final pre-match press conference of the season ahead of the Manchester City match.

The lure of Madrid proved too much for the 61-year-old, however, and it appears as though firm contact was made with his representatives last Friday, leading to a final agreement today that sees Ancelotti sign a three-year contract at Real which will reportedly be worth less than half per year than he was earning at Everton.

Everton's board of directors were scheduled to hold an emergency meeting this evening to discuss the club's next steps.

“While I have enjoyed being at Everton I have been presented with an unexpected opportunity which I believe is the right move for me and my family at this time,” Ancelotti said once the club confirmed he had left for Madrid.

“I would like to thank the Board of Directors, the players, and the Evertonians for the tremendous support they have all given me during my time at the club.

“I have complete respect for everyone associated with Everton and hope they can achieve the exciting opportunities they have in front of them.”

Ancelotti was hired in December 2019 as the result of an ambitious move by Everton owner Farhad Moshiri with the hope of building a team capable of qualifying for the Champions League within the lifetime of his 4½-year deal.

He tempted James Rodriguez to Goodison with the promise of as much first-team football as he could manage while also driving the acquisition of Allan from his previous club, Napoli.

While Allan is likely to remain on Merseyside, Rodriguez's future is far less clear in the wake of Ancelotti's departure, particularly given his recent injury problems and the fact that he has openly admitted he moved to England to play under his former manager.

Ancelotti stabilised the Toffees' performances in the early months of his tenure before the team's form dropped off again with the resumption of the 2019-20 season following the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in March 2020. Citing the need to overhaul the midfield, the decorated boss helped bolster the squad with the signings of James, Allan and Adboulaye Doucouré, acquisitions that sparked a scintillating start to 2020-21.

Everton were the early pace-setters in the Premier League and were still sitting second after Christmas before the season, not to mention the club's European-qualification hopes, was wrecked by a dreadful sequence of results at home in an empty Goodison Park. The Blues ultimately finished 10th after losing 5-0 to City on the final day of the campaign.

While Ancelotti's only full season at Everton was dogged by concerns over the absence of any discernible style of play and an inability to turn around that abysmal home form, he did oversee the club's best away record of the Premier League era with 11 wins on the road.

The hope and expectation was that with another summer to work with Marcel Brands and a first complete season with fans in the grounds, Ancelotti might have been able to lead Everton back to the upper echelons of the English game and to some long-overdue trophy success.

Instead, Moshiri and Brands must go back to square one as they seek to lay more of the foundations on which some stability can be built at a club that is now looking for its sixth manager in the space of five years.

 

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Alan J Thompson
1 Posted 01/06/2021 at 05:36:27
Why has nobody asked the question of would the "Top 6" want him? Oh, hang on, this lot are bigger than any of them, aren't they?

I'd prefer he stayed as we must at some stage have some continuity with an accomplished manager at the helm but if he is to go then Everton should insist on at least the remainder of his contract as compensation and given their rumoured financial position that should be the end of all this talk.

As mentioned on another thread, perhaps his replacement should be that famous No 7 – Bond, James Bond – then we'd all be shaken but not stirred. With "M" - Moshiri, leading and "Q" with his funny ways and gadgets, or is that "K"?

It is all becoming the running joke.

Colin Glassar
2 Posted 01/06/2021 at 07:38:55
I think we should change managers every season to satisfy the bloodlust for managers on TW.

We could start with bringing back the Moyesiah (much loved and admired on here), then Sean Dyche, followed by Eddie Howe, Graham Potter etc...

Once we are done with the flavour of the month, usual suspects we could appoint a triumvirate of Hind, Edwards and Tasker to manage the team. After all, this management thingy is a doddle.

Arrivedercci Carlo, if you go, all the best, amigo.

Dan Nulty
3 Posted 01/06/2021 at 07:39:00
Looks like a small number rod Everton fans will get what they wish for. I don't think it is any coincidence Eddie Howe did a U-turn at Celtic last week.

Without a big-name manager and European football, the only way we are going to persuade class players to join is paying through the nose to get them. We are going to end up getting relegated within 2 years I think if we get Eddie Howe as manager.

Tony Abrahams
4 Posted 01/06/2021 at 07:58:47
Not if Ancelotti turns them down Dan, and gets a new longer contract at Everton!

Trevor Peers
5 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:22:56
No chance! Carlo will not risk his massive Everton pension pot for one season at Madrid, unless he's totally pissed off with our lack of ambition. I wouldn't trust Moshiri to get the right man in anyway, I'd guess it would be big fat Frankie Lampard.
Brian Williams
6 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:23:24
Are we allowed yet to wonder out loud who we'd get in his place or is that still considered a bit of a no-no?
Barry Robson
7 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:29:54
It's unfortunate Perez doesn't read TW. If he did, he would know that Carlo is finished. He is yesterday's man according to TW football experts. So why would the biggest most demanding football club in the world even consider him as their next manager? It's a fucking mystery.
Rob Halligan
8 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:32:21
Colin, you’ve missed out some bloke called Steve Cooper from Swansea. Also should Carlo go, I say sack the new manager already, after all he’s shite!

Good point Barry. That is clearly beyond me. Good enough for Real Madrid, but not good enough for us. It definitely is a mystery.

Colin Glassar
9 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:42:25
Why not, Brian 54. I'll start the ball rolling; Enzo Nomarkoni from Italian third division side FC Pecorino.

He's a dynamic, forward thinking, progressive manager who will provide Tom Davies with a football brain, Alex fucking Iwobi with an iota of courage, and André ‘lead in his boots' Gomes with an increased spatial awareness and a quicker than sloth-like pace to his game.

After his third-loss-in-a-row start to the season, we can always replace him with our very own, perennial saviour, Big Duncan Ferguson! A man anointed by god himself, Bill Kenwright.

Rob Halligan
10 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:57:04
Nomarkoni out! Sack him, get rid, plays zombie negative football. Bellendotti from the Italian conference league is who we should bring in. Plays a 2-3-5 formation. Leaves his defence totally exposed, but fuck, can his teams score goals, but ultimately loses most games heavily, but boy, it’s great entertainment!
Thomas Richards
11 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:59:14
If there is any truth to this, and he knocks Real back, it certainly shows how comitted he is to Everton.
Brian Williams
12 Posted 01/06/2021 at 09:15:29
Rob #58.

Ccan you remember when 2-3-5 used to be the only formation there was? Inside forwards, left-half and right-half. Them were the days!

Jim Harrison
13 Posted 01/06/2021 at 09:31:49
Surely Madrid would rather Conte!

If Carlo goes, which I wouldn't blame him for, we should be in the mix for Conte or Sarri. Enough of this talk of Big Dunc.

Martin Nicholls
14 Posted 01/06/2021 at 09:40:15
Colin, Rob - how about that guy Patrick Grant from The Great British Sewing Bee? Rumour has it he can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear!
Brian Harrison
15 Posted 01/06/2021 at 09:44:50
Normally I would just dismiss this as British press speculation but I see the Spanish paper Marca is also reporting this and they are usually very accurate when it comes to anything to do with Real or Barca. Would the lure of going back to Real tempt Carlo? I am sure it would, but Carlo is an honourable man and I believe he would decline the offer.

Should he however go to Real, I dread to think who this club would look to appoint, I guess the same names will be bandied about as before Silva came, never mind Ancelotti: Howe, Dyce and numerous others who have won very little in their careers.

Chris Hockenhull
16 Posted 01/06/2021 at 09:57:22
Let's not forget the newest name TWebbers have recently thrown into the ring. Scott Parker... riding a current crest of a wave having triumphantly taken Fulham out of the top flight!!

And also let's not discard those other faves from over the years on here... Owen Coyle and Alan Pardew. The rich range of potential managerial talent is staggering!!!

Anthony Murphy
17 Posted 01/06/2021 at 10:11:10
If Real Madrid ask, I think he'll go.

For all their financial concerns, they are still very much an elite club and (true or not) Carlo will see them as a better match for him.

Let's be honest for a minute: Carlo is at Everton because he got the sack from Napoli and we jumped in quick with a lucrative offer – he's not with us for other reasons that get mentioned (project, new stadium, family club etc), although these are no doubt part of the picture. Let's also be honest and admit that we are probably something of an embarrassment at board level and he probably thinks he's dealing with a bunch of amateurs.

Real Madrid may approach Carlo as they see him as a safe pair of hands during a difficult time. I'd personally be gutted if true – not because I think he's doing an amazing job, but more because it would be a shame that we landed a top manager and, for whatever reason, it didn't work out. There's a huge manager merry-go-round unfolding at the elite level so, if he did want out, he'll probably be able to find something else anyway?

Tony Everan
18 Posted 01/06/2021 at 10:18:44
Good comments about Enzo Nomacaroni of Pecorino FC he is is the gratest available at the moment.

I think it’s not Carlo we should be possibly worried about with this decision, it his his wife and daughter, and possibly son, their preferences may tip the balance.

Anyway, it’s good to know we have many other top options like Nomacaroni, Giuseppe Lossalotti etc to replace him.

Paul McCoy
19 Posted 01/06/2021 at 10:25:00
Even if Madrid come knocking, I can't see Carlo leaving. Real Madrid have an ageing squad and need a complete rebuild, with pretty much zero budget. Covid and the collapse of the ESL 'project' have hit them hard. It's why Zidane left and it's why Carlo won't go.
Kunal Desai
20 Posted 01/06/2021 at 10:35:59
I agree that Real Madrid are aging team, that being said they will no sooner turn it around and win a major trophy than Everton are ever likely to.
Colin Glassar
21 Posted 01/06/2021 at 10:57:48
Tony 66, there’s a guy in the third tier of the MSL who’s got a bit of a tasty reputation. Maybe our American cousins can enlighten us more regarding his potential. His name is Chris P Bacon.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

22 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:00:22
Brian @ 63. This:

'Normally I would just dismiss this as British press speculation but I see the Spanish paper Marca is also reporting this and they are usually very accurate when it comes to anything to do with Real or Barca.'

Sure about Marca Brian? Check out the following:

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Scores of European media outlets, individual journalists and ex-footballer pundits rated and placed into five different 'reliability tiers'.

Tier one being the highest rated, tier five the lowest with the single sentence description 'Don’t waste your time reading them.'

Marca is placed just one tier above that, tier four, which is described as 'Not to be trusted at all. These companies make money out of ensuring that you read them and they will make up anything to get you to harness advertising revenue.'

Marca shares the tier with such luminaries as Paul Merson, The Sun, The Mirror and Talksport.

Easy money making up and writing football rumours which get picked up and repeated globally, giving the false impression that 'there must be something in it if it's being so widely reported.'

Danny Broderick
23 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:02:27
Surely we all agree, after sacking Martinez, Koeman, Allardyce and Silva, that maybe it’s the players, not the manager, who need replacing?!
Dave Abrahams
24 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:12:14
Colin (69), Chris P Bacon, I’ve heard he’s very Smokey, so wouldn’t go a bundle on him!!
Brian Williams
25 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:14:59
It annoys me the way some media outlets are reporting on this.
"Real Madrid are considering hiring Ancelotti" etc etc.
There IS the small point of him having a contract with tiny Everton.
Perhaps I'm being over sensitive.
On another note a name I mentioned in an earlier thread is being touted as already lined up to replace Ancelotti, and that's Nuno ex of Wolves.
Danny O’Neill
26 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:33:41
Danny Broderick @71. The elephant in the room. The whale in the pool. Whatever phrase we use it is obvious. We need better players.
Lester Yip
27 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:37:03
Give Big Dunc the top job. As long as he consult ToffeeWeb before making his team selection, and tactics discussed here, we will be challenging top 6 for sure.
Colin Glassar
28 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:43:55
Footy accumulators (solid ITK bunch) are saying Madrid set to name Carlo as new manager in a few hours.

If I had a dog I’d take him out for a walk but as I don’t have one I’ll stay indoors eating my toenails in nervous anticipation.

Now Marca (Twitter) are announcing it! BK to be named as interim manager.

Thomas Richards
29 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:46:41
Ok,say hes gone.

Whos next on the carousel?

Marc Hints
30 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:49:23
wow a lot of reports now on the internet that Ancelotti is to be announced Real Madrid Manager and he has shocked Everton and asked to leave
Andrew Ellams
31 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:50:05
So next season's El Classico fixtures will see both teams with ex Everton managers at the helm?
Jack Convery
32 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:50:35
I wonder why Eddie Howe turned down Celtic, when it looked all done and dusted - hmmm.
Colin Glassar
33 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:51:49
Germans seem to be in vogue recently. I suppose we could get ourselves one as long as it’s not Klinsmann.
Brian Murray
34 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:55:17
Carlo won’t go he loves to watch and admire the iron static men on Crosby beach. Reminds him of our midfield probably.
Paul Hewitt
35 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:56:01
Reports in Spain say Carlo will be announced as real manager this week
Colin Glassar
36 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:57:38
Will he take James (and Brands) with him? That is the question
Derek Knox
37 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:00:40
Colin, rumour has it that he wants to take Iwobi with him! :-)
Thomas Richards
38 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:02:36
The new manager will come in, have us up and running in no time.
He will turn the second rate players we have into world beaters.
A challenge for top 4 and CL is on the cards next season, but only if Ancelotti goes.

Colin Glassar
39 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:04:21
Then he goes with my blessings, Derek 🙏. Can you hear the champagne corks popping in the background? There’ll be some sore heads on TW tomorrow.

I wonder if Bill will be in charge of “scouting” the next manager? Gawd help us.

Kevin Molloy
40 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:04:53
this is looking likely now. If it's true we've avoided a likely thirty million pay out in October, and a host of 29 year olds looking to burnish their pensions in the close season.
I am in parts relieved, and appalled. These deals don't just happen out of the blue, he'll have been approached weeks ago. He's treated the club miserably if it's true.
Having said all of that, I'll be delighted to see him out of the door.
Andrew Ellams
41 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:05:38
Colin, another Twitter rumour this week was Carlo and Brands are not on the same page regarding this summer's recruitment so maybe we're stuck with Marcel.
Barry Hesketh
42 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:06:04
Away from the managerial rumour mill for a second, but just read this piece on the Beeb, Danny O'Neill will probably be crestfallen that I have linked it. Football is indeed a cruel mistress. I hope when the final game at Goodison arrives that we are challenging for the title, but I don't think I could handle what happened to Schalke.


Final Day Drama

Colin Glassar
43 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:14:06
Andrew, I’m a pragmatist so if he does go he will be replaced by someone else. I’ll be disappointed but clubs go on as does life. The last couple of months have been a huge disappointment so maybe it was Carlo, or maybe it was the players or both, I don’t know.

Hopefully, we will get some compensation for him and (fingers crossed) he is replaced with an even better manager (doubt that) but if people think a dynamic young manager is going to get this lot playing gegenpress then you’re in for a rude awakening.

Jack Convery
44 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:15:48
I suppose it depends on your opinion of Carlo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2L3UzM_FfE

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5BGGXoLIYI

Daniel A Johnson
45 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:16:32
Lampard/Howe/Nuno or Big Dunc shortlist ?
Barry Hesketh
46 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:21:00
I wondered why Big Sam turned down the WBA job long-term, now we know! Only joking. I'd be pretty annoyed if Carlo upped sticks so soon, if only because he made lots of the right noises, but ultimately like so many others in the game, principles don't seem to apply. However, he hasn't gone yet, and it may be a smokescreen for Madrid, but it would be nice if Carlo and or Everton refuted the rumour as soon as possible.
Jack Convery
47 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:23:58
Whoever will work with Big Dunc will get the gig. BK will see to that. I have a feeling it will be Howe.

Kante to Madrid ???

Bob Skelton
48 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:25:58
Who'd want to manage this bunch of multi millionaire has beens? There is no passion in the people who manage or play for this great club, Dunc excepted.

We seem to be a good place to feather your pension pot. How many manager changes do we have to make, was Big Sam bothered that the crowd was baying for his blood as he looked down at his expensive gold watch after another shit result? He was sniggering all the way to his villa in the Costa Lotta.

We have to settle for a manager a la Bielsa with a strategy and plan and stick with him. Who? Don't know. Someone who can turn water into wine maybe

Kevin Prytherch
49 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:29:02
Yes Colin 87, let’s hope Bill isn’t involved. His last 2 managerial appointments have brought us regular European football on a shoestring budget and our record Premier League points tally.

Let’s hope it’s down to Moshiri and we get another Koeman / Allardyce / Silva appointment.

Dave Lynch
50 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:29:26
My monies on Nuno if he goes.

If it's Howe I'm fucking finished with the shit show that is Everton.

Alan Johnson
51 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:31:36
This guy Nico Chira seems to have an eye for transfers. He thinks it's a done deal. Was that why Bale said he knows where he'll be next year?

https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1399684788806635525?s=19

Grant Rorrison
52 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:34:39
I'd rather Howe than Nuno myself. Not that either of them are particularly exciting.
Trevor Powell
53 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:40:19
Well, well, well Carlo seems to be leaving? So much for all the cheap Ancelotti talk about rebuilding the club and the family feeling of walking the dog on Crosby Beach and loving Gormley's statues!

Does he really want to select the first line-up at Bramley Moore and that feeling of belonging to a great project and the restoration of the pride of this wonderfully historic club?

If he goes then there is no hope for anyone in the world of football, just always the bottom line. I am 69 in a few weeks and sadly my cynicism of the modern game can not sink any lower.

If Ancelotti goes after all the talk, who is worth trusting again! So many of you may not be upset and think he is not the man, but whether he is the saviour or not, he would have run out the door and his staure as a decent man has been shattered for me!

I think I will treat myself to a season ticket at AFC Rushden & Diamonds ten minutes walk away.

Robert Tressell
54 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:41:13
Excellent point Kevin #97.

If Real really want him then he'll probably go - although Real have their worst team in years and are struggling financially (hence needing the superleague). Their best hope is the development of Rodrygo, Reinier, Vinicius, Valverde, Militao and other youngsters which isn't really Ancelotti's bag. So we'll see.

As for replacement's it might be time to reluctantly accept we were never going to spend enough to get the most out of Ancelotti. So someone better able to develop players and get a tune out of crap might be a better fit anyway. Not blessed with lots of obvious options mind you.

Colin Glassar
55 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:41:44
You must be on cloud 9, Kevin. Have you got your, I ❤️ Moyes t-shirt back on?😄😄

Tomorrow’s headlines will probably be “ Oyston family buy Everton”. That would be so Everton.

Kim Vivian
56 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:43:12
Would RM have to ay us a nice fat compo if this is true? I think it would be a huge gamble for Carlo. Why would he want this job? RM on their knees financially hence their President geezer pinning so much on the ESL, may be looking at points deduction, Euro penalty and/or fine, ageing squad - and added to which second runs at a job rarely pay off.

If it happens, which I doubt - Sarri? Benitez? If we fancy a German - Klinsmann?, Nuno? Lampard?

Need someone to put a rocket up the arses of our lethargic squad wether it's Carlo, Duncan or someone else.

Grant Rorrison
57 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:48:46
As long as we don't look total shit and clueless at home to Burnley, Sheffield United, etc I don't care who we get if CA goes.
Rob Halligan
58 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:49:42
If Carlo goes, I demand his successor be sacked immediately!! Ok, within three months then as all of TW demand his sacking as we're not in the top two of the premier league.

Patience awaits no man, or whatever the saying is??

Gavin Johnson
59 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:54:32
For continuity I'll be sad to see Carlo go. It's clear what player profiles we need this summer, and it would be up to Brands and the club to see if they could meet Ancelotti's expectations.

The flipside to that is that I do have some concerns that Carlo would want to sign more established stars like Ramsay and Pedro (yesterdays link) and that would be at odds with Brands wanting younger long term signings.

If he does leave we should appoint Santo. No compensation, and a very good manager who has proven his qualities as a premier league manager for a number of seasons. Take no notice of Wolves league position last season. He was unlucky losing Jota and Jimenez.

Barry Hesketh
61 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:07:56
Rob @106
I understand that you think that some on TW are negative for the sake of being negative. But isn't it right and proper that some have different views on Everton and whoever is the manager at the time?

I've been looking at some tweets and posts on other sites and there is a growing group of people that seems intent on blaming the 'negative' fans for hounding out previous managers and indeed if Carlo leaves of his own accord, for his departure too.

We appear to live in a society where opposition views are not tolerated because every individual believes that they are right regardless of the quality of arguments put forward by others.

If Carlo leaves, that's football, we move on to the next manager and hope that they make a fist of improving the team.

I do admit that Carlo leaving for Real Madrid will inevitably lead to many 'negative' fans blaming Everton and questioning the ambition of the club and all of the other stuff that they spout, but sometimes things just happen and it will be Everton's response to the events, should they happen, that will be crucial for our future.


Martin Nicholls
62 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:08:34
Rob#106 - maybe Darren will write a piece on our next manager (whoever it may be) before he's appointed, explaining to us all why he'll be a failure?
Kevin Molloy
63 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:12:20
Paul Joyce just confirmed it's happening, and we're going all in on a previous employee currently living down south.
Kieran Kinsella
64 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:13:53
Kevin

Worst nightmare

Marc Hints
65 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:15:27
oh joy, on twitter a lot of reports say Moyes is top of the list and we are also speaking to Eddie Howe!
Kim Vivian
66 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:17:45
Given that IF Carlo is the man of integrity that I believe he is, after the stance that he and the club took against the ESL, I would be staggered if he chose to go there.
Big, BIG risk.

Staying and working with the EFC project has got to be more attractive bar getting burgled, the weather and some fans.

Marc Hints
67 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:17:55
Carlo Ancelotti is now considered ‘one step away’ from joining Real Madrid. His agents are now working to terminate his current contract with Everton - it’s the last step then the deal will be completed. Ancelotti won’t create any problem on personal terms with Real from Fabrizio Romano
Jim Bennings
68 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:18:52
I don't know how much truth is in it but I've just heard Carlo Ancelotti is set to be announced as the new manager of Real Madrid this evening.
Hugh Jenkins
69 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:19:07
Haven't read all the posts - so this might already have been mentioned, but, if, as rumoured, Carlo Ancelotti is on salary of £12M pa at Everton and his contract has 2½ years still to run – the compensation if he breaks the contract will amount to over £30M. Since Real Madrid are ostensibly "broke', how will they manage to pay the compensation package?
Danny O’Neill
70 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:20:58
Unbelievable heartbreaking moment For Schalke Barry Hesketh @90.

A great club as I've banged on about many times. Close to my heart. They don't own my heart like Everton, but they are always on my mind.

On my last trip out, February 2020, what was really impressive is what they've done with the old Park Stadion. They were renovating it to be the primary pitch / stadium of the academy. It now sits proudly on top of a slope looking down on the academy training pitches where the youth teams play and train. All of it in the shadow of the new stadium, which itself is impressive. And what an academy that has been over the years.

A great set up, just a shame I will watch them in Bundesliga 2 next season. They'll come back. That support base and passion they have for their club and their city will get them there.

It can't happen twice right? Lightning never strikes twice!!! You done it now; odds on Everton winning the league on the last game at Goodison in the 98th minute?

You distract me!! Back on topic.

We don't need to be changing our manager. Forget who it is / could be / want to be. Get better players and the manager will get better results.

But, whatever happens, Moshiri needs to own this now. It's his thing. Stop listening to the sentimentalists like me. Unlike other walks of life, with Everton I just follow. Lead me to the promised land.

Robert Tressell
71 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:21:37
Hugh there's a good chance that he and Rodriguez have break clauses allowing them to move on if an established Champions League club calls. So we may well get nowt - or a lot less than £30M anyway.
Dale Rose
72 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:22:07
It's that time of year again. More bullshit... if it's true, and I doubt it, my pick would be Lampard. Some good young talent at Chelsea who may follow him.
Kevin Molloy
74 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:24:55
The compensation point is going to be interesting. Cos by rights, we can demand £30M from Real Madrid, which we know they don't have. But if Carlo plays hardball with us, says 'I really want to go, if you don't let me I think it will really affect my motivation going forward' ... ie, "I will stink the place out and you'll have to pay me £30M in October" ... I think we will release him with no compensation (that's what I'd do).
Rob Halligan
75 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:26:51
Barry, fully agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, be it for the manager of any player. With any player the answer is simple, if he's playing rubbish then he can be dropped. With a manager it's slightly different. Ok he can be sacked, but I don't think Moshiri will be sacking Ancelotti any time soon. He's been with us eighteen months, he inherited a bag of shite, he's played a handful of premier league games in front of home fans, unbeaten in them all by the way, he's had one proper transfer window to try and improve the squad, yet because some fans expected miracles overnight, which unfortunately didn't happen, they want him gone. As I said, Patience awaits no man, and believe me, a gnat has more patience than some on here.

If he resigns and walks away, then that is a different matter!!

Alan McGuffog
76 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:28:24
Real will never be broke. Franco looked after them very well in his will.
Hugh Jenkins
77 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:29:16
Robert (118). Quite possibly, you are correct. But, if so, why bother with a contract at all?
Kieran Kinsella
78 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:29:37
Kim

I was thinking regarding him wanting ESL teams punished

Barry Hesketh
79 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:30:08
I wonder if Moshiri and Kenwright take it in turns to appoint the manager of Everton?
BK - Martinez
BK - Royle/Unsworth
FM - Koeman
BK - Unsworth
Both - Allardyce
FM - Silva
BK - Ferguson
FM - Ancelotti

Therefore it's Bill's turn and so we await the return of the Ginger one?

Tony Everan
80 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:30:39
We’ll find out soon enough because Carlo will surely make a short statement, today or tomorrow, rubbishing it all. Or sadly confirming he’s moving on.

Robert, Dale I like Lampard too, he is a serial winner with the highest of standards, seems a grounded and positive person who will be driven to succeed . Also, Nuno Espirito is ready to take a step up. Either would be good appointments.

Chris P Bacon , Enzo Macca-Rooney etc are out of our league and pay scale .

Brian Williams
81 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:31:32
If this does come to pass then whoever the next manager is should have written into his contract that he can't buy players over 25 apart from a keeper.

The team needs young, athletic, super fit players with a fair chunk of their career, and their best form, ahead of them and not players for who Everton is a comfortable last hurrah!

Paul Smith
82 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:33:25
Lol – why the fuck would Moyes come here?
Alan J Thompson
83 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:33:53
Colin(#69); That Chris P. Bacon has gone to Germany, a club on the Rhined, apparently.

Strong rumour that Bill has lined up a smash and grab raid for Rooney with Dunc as assistant as he has been told he has done well at Derbies.

Thomas Richards
84 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:36:14
"I want Ancelotti out. A dinosaur who is out of touch with modern day football. Under no circumstances do I want him as manager next season".. . . . . . . . "Cheeky fucker is treating the club shabbily by leaving."

Only on ToffeeWeb

Barry Hesketh
85 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:37:25
Brian @127
We have a DOF, therefore any incoming manager if we end up needing one, should be told that Brands will bring in the players and it's your job as the manager to manage them. Obviously, there has to be consultation between Brands and the manager, but we can't have any manager dictating which players we sign, particularly in the higher age group, unless of course, we remove the position of DOF, which if a manager like Moyes came in would be probably the only way he'd take us on again.

Coincidentally West Ham is looking for a Director of Football, even if Moyes renews his contract with them.

Rob Halligan
86 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:37:32
If Moyes is to be considered, then it's clear who is pulling all the strings. Fuck me, I'm surprised Rooney hasn't been mentioned as a possible replacement if the teary eyed one is involved.
Ian Edwards
87 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:37:49
We are approaching the best day in the Club's history since we won the Cup in 95.
Will Mabon
88 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:37:50
Alan, Rooney would be a rasher decision than Chris P. Bacon.
Paul Smith
89 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:39:04
Ian, why so provocative mate ?
Thomas Richards
90 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:39:10
Ian,

You havent jumped off the top balcony stand have you?

Kieran Kinsella
91 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:40:21
Colin 103

Haha perfect

Rob Halligan
92 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:42:03
Thomas, wishful thinking mate!!
Barry Rathbone
93 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:42:30
Need Carlo out asap time is of the essence now.

The huge issue with Carlo and previous appointments is the arsing around early doors none of them grasp the scale of the problem till it bites them on the arse 6 months later. The new guy needs to be briefed that only a handful have potential beyond mid table - Digne, DCL, Mina and perhaps Richarlison and Pickford. It needs resolving asap preferably before the first game of the season.

We need Carlo's decision pronto.

Julian Exshaw
94 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:42:46
This is all a bit shocking to say the least. Carlo going, Moyes coming back if reports are to be believed. Hang on to yer hats!
Nick Page
95 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:43:23
Will it be Bill’s (wet) dream team of Rooney/Ferguson/Cahill? Can he persuade the Moyesiah to return? Is Dave Hickson still alive?

Absolute laughing stock this football club. I’m glad I saw us win things because it won’t be happening again for a long long time.

Steve Brown
96 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:43:55
Now Ian’s big moment as it might actually happen- who do you want as manager?
Michael Kenrick
97 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:47:12
Wow, this really seems to have taken off.

I was in two minds about running it, then I saw Lyndon had updated the original rumour – although I can't figure out why it's displaying the original date at the top.

Quite a slap in the face for Everton if he goes, even though I think he has been poor in motivating our players and figuring out tactics that work for them. Not much to ask from such a great man.

Nick Page
98 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:48:22
Can we have a comedy poll pls Michael?
Alan Rooney
99 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:50:23
Will Mahon (134),

Don't bring me in to this argument. I'm not interested n the job either :)

Dave Lynch
100 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:50:35
Decent bet... Lampard to his boyhood club...Moyes back to us with a fistful of knives for the gunfight.

Ffs can it get more depressing

Marc Hints
101 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:51:12
Apparently Everton FC are locked in talks with Carlo to persuade him to stay - what is the point, if he did stay his heart will not be in the job. If someone wants to go let them and get someone in who wants to be there
Kieran Kinsella
102 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:52:05
Big Dunc as the new number 2?
Steve Brown
103 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:53:19
If Ancelotti stays, his position will be hugely strengthened and his transfer budget will be increased significantly!
Dave Lynch
104 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:53:26
If it wasn't true don't you think the club and Carlo himself would have come out and quashed the rumours already.
Martin Berry
105 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:57:07
This story even seems to be visible from space, can all the media outlets be wrong ? I am sure we will know in 24 hours.
If it happens then maybe Nuno has been the target all along knowing that Zidane was leaving and Carlo was wanted he left Wolves to bide his time.
I do know this we need a manager who will get the squad fit, organised and where everyone knows their role what is required of them.
Barry Hesketh
106 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:57:53
Marc @147
Totally agree we don't want anyone at the club who would prefer to move elsewhere. I suppose it would be inevitable that the club would try and hold on to Carlo or at least appear to do so.

Everton trying to prevent move

Rob Halligan
107 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:58:48
This Fabrizio Romano seems to think it's all completed

Carlo Ancelotti to Real Madrid, here we go! The agreement on the termination of his contract with #EFC is set to be completed, the two clubs are in direct contact then Carlo will re-join Real Madrid.

Kevin Molloy
108 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:59:37
I think it'll be Moyes. Kenwright will speak to Dunc Seamus Baines Unsy and they will all come back saying bring him back. The argument that the players aren't fit, and that we need somebody good in the transfer market, and a safe pair of hands will be made. Bill can now say that he got them Europe last year, unlike Carlo. And I think Moyes would like to move back to Preston (if he ever left) and get out of the way of the Porn Barons.
Ian Burns
109 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:00:53
Rumours come and go but some stick like shit to a blanket and eventually prove to be true – such as this rumour.

It will be a sad day for EFC because, despite the lack of success thus far, his name caused us to be linked with the better class of player and the next appointment in that regard will be a step down.

At least if it is the Nuno chap recently of Wolves, he just might get a tune out of Gomes and bring in one or two more of his diamonds such as quality players he has brought over like Jota, Neto and Jiminez. We can live in hope.

Mark Ryan
110 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:01:11
I'm hearing he's agreed to leave. Staggered to be honest. Thought he had his heart set on a project. Where does that leave us now ? in the mire I guess but whilst I have been proud to have him at our club I've sensed he's somewhat over the hill and we have not improved under him. He's attracted some big names but the football has been woeful at times. WHO'S NEXT ?
Steve Brown
111 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:01:54
This looks pretty definite though.

Fabrizio Romano on Twitter

Marc Hints
112 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:03:16
Barry @152

I do truly believe that we had Carlo at the wrong time, he is not used to managing a club with a few mediocre players. He has always had top players to work with.

I think we should be looking at someone who will get the club in the Top 4 first, something like Rogers has done at Leicester, win something then maybe in a few years time with a better calibre of players look at a manager Carlo's level.

Roberto Birquet
113 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:03:52
It is confirmed. Ancelotti is out. Fabrizio never gets it wrong.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

James will certainly leave. We are in a mess.

Kim Vivian
114 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:05:20
Zidane might like the Gormley statues?
Marc Hints
115 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:05:34
Looks like Eddie Howe it is then according to a lot of reports - Everton in advanced talks with him.
Robert Tressell
116 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:06:00
Lampard was a great player but he's done nothing to suggest he's anything other than a very ordinary manager.

Farke, Potter, Dyche are more in the category of managers that genuinely improve players and get a tune out of shit.

Santo has proved he can coach a conveyor belt of Mino Raiola clients to good effect.

Martinez may have matured a bit but probably wants the Spurs job (as will most of the better candidates).

Failing that, probably some nauseating links to Steven Gerrard and, less nauseating, the likes of Ten Haag (Ajax), Amorim (Lisbon) and Galtier (Lille).

None of these look like a great fit - even for those who have a different opinion of Lampard he doesn't really look like an obvious choice. Dyche is probably the best qualified but not really an appealing prospect.

Thomas Richards
117 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:06:42
Not a chance these wanting the manager out will name his successor. They risk putting themselves up to be pulled if their choice of manager fails.

The new manager will not get us in the Champions League in his first season. The new manager will not win us a trophy in his first season.

Sack him before he gets the job. Save everyone a bit of time.

Mark Ryan
118 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:07:40
Is this why Eddie Howe turned down the Celtic job?
Michael Lynch
119 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:07:48
Mark @156, I can't argue with any of that, and I'm a bit surprised Real are so keen to have him. But it is a much better fit for him than Everton.

The main problem for a new manager would be an utterly shit squad, who neither have the quality to control games, nor the energy to get in the faces of the opposition and rattle them.

He'll either have to build a team around Richarlison, or around Tom Davies to get either of those elements. Which is not something that fills me with confidence.

Offer Poch the world, and a big house in Crosby.

Will Mabon
120 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:09:22
Our wonderful game is becoming a disheartening fucking soap opera. Bread & Circuses by dint of global business.

Truth is, we can effectively discount differences of opinion on Ancelotti as a manger. Let's say we were flying, and everyone wanted Carlo to stay, so what? Chances are approaches like this would be even more likely to happen.

I have been a little disappointed in Ancelotti in some regard, not in others. There's no certain reading of the future but the probability that things may greatly improve over a period, is higher by a mile with this guy than anyone we've had in recent years.

"Instant" success just isn't a thing without City-type money. What a world we are in where being "Just" a billionaire rather than a multi-billionaire is inadequate to fight on an equal footing. And where the patience and understanding of this fact is equally absent.

Hope we all enjoyed the concepts of stability and continuity in our clubs/sport, because they've gone, expunged from the lexicon by global corporate interest.

Five minutes back, the Euro Renegades were apparently reigned in. Er... not really, it seems. On with the plunder. The gap is just going to get wider. Look at the transfer rumours around the "Big" clubs, the fees mooted.

"They" will likely get their super league in the end; it will just exist permanently and out of reach at the top of the various existing leagues. All very sad.

Kieran Kinsella
121 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:09:34
Doubt Everton are in advanced talks with Howe if 10 minutes ago they were locked in talks trying to get Carlo to stay.
Marc Hints
122 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:10:01
Mark @167

Looks that way, there are loads of stories coming out now that he is in advanced talks with Everton

Robert Tressell
123 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:10:12
Absolutely, Thomas. Lots of people know better – until you ask them what they know.
Marc Hints
124 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:11:27
Mind you, TalkSport just said Nuno is our Number One target now! Oh, the rumour mill!!!
Anthony Murphy
125 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:11:28
I'll have £1 on Howe and 50p each way on Santo.
Steve Brown
126 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:11:51
Whoever is appointed should be sacked!
John Davies
127 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:12:35
Nuno Espirito Santo, come on down.
Kieran Kinsella
128 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:12:42
Thomas,

I have on good authority from Darren the new manager is a busted flush but that's the only clue he gave me.

Will Mabon
129 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:12:55
Alan @ 147,

Looking at some of the other candidates touted, you may well get a shot, whether you like it or not!

Mark Ryan
130 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:13:36
Poch and Kane to Goodison.

"Mark, wake up, Mr Ryan, wake up... "

Oh no, what a shambles... dreading the next few weeks already...

Thomas Richards
131 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:13:43
Kieran,

Not if it's Eddie Howe. Darren rates him highly.

Mark Andrews
132 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:14:10
Carlo realising he can't polish the Everton turd. We're a basket case of a club and even he can't raise the dead.
Brian Williams
133 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:15:11
It's Nuno.
David Greenwood
134 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:15:24
Ian Edwards for manager please.
Conor Skelly
135 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:15:56
Great news. Will save us paying out all of his contract when we need to get rid at Christmas. We actually might get a football coach in because for the life of me, I don't know what Carlo is.

I'd be happy Potter or Bielsa. Howe underwhelms but I actually think he's a very intelligent man and wouldn't write him off. Whoever we get, needs to be a tracksuit manager.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

136 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:16:31
Kevin Molloy you're missing your vocation. World class speculation and rumour mongering in all your posts today. You should set up your own clickbait football rumour bait. You'd be quids in.

'Paul Joyce has just confirmed it.'

That would be the RS leaning Paul Joyce who in October had a hissy fit with Carlo in a presser after the Goodison derby because our manager had the audacity to describe the Pickford-VDD clash as a football incident, simultaneously mentioning that James had picked up an injury early on by the flying Dutchman.

Pinch of salt.

Michael Lynch
137 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:16:37
I'd take Nuno Santo over Eddie Howe. Lots of decent Portuguese players out there that he could bring in, and he'd probably get a tune out of Richarlison.

Bielsa would be fun. Don't suppose Leeds would be happy to part with him though.

Barry Hesketh
138 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:16:58
If Carlo leaves as seems more likely than not, what's the betting that Everton FC drags the appointment of his replacement until well into the summer?

Due to the disruption, some of our better players such as Richarlison and Digne decide to seek pastures new and the new Everton boss is landed with huge problems before he even gets his foot in the door.

Wouldn't surprise me if Richarlison joined Real Madrid as part of the 'compensation package', as someone tweeted if Everton FC was an animal you'd put it out of its misery.

Gavin Johnson
139 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:17:31
The Italian journo hasn't confirmed he's going. Nothing agreed yet.

If it does, at least we won't need to pay compo if it's Nuno or Howe. I rate Nuno and while I like Howe, he could be another Martinez clone who doesn't have a plan B.

Daniel A Johnson
140 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:18:08
Bring back the new improved Davy Moyes who now brings a sword to a gunfight.
Thomas Richards
141 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:18:40
Good enough for Real Madrid but not good enough for a mid table English team?
Steve Brown
142 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:21:19
Everton's last 4 permanent managers' reigns:

Ronald Koeman - 1 year 131 days
Sam Allardyce - 167 days
Marco Silva - 1 year 188 days
Carlo Ancelotti - 1 year 162 days?

There is the problem right there.

Daniel A Johnson
143 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:21:53
Says it all really no one gives a fuck Don Carlo is going.

Blessing in disguise this plus there are a few managers available at the mo.

Whatever happened to Enrique the old Barca manager.

Personally I’d like to see what Moyes could do with more money.

Dave McDowell
144 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:22:14
I thought this was all just good old fashioned paper talk but I’m getting messages from mates abroad saying sorry about Carlo leaving. Jeez.
George McKane
145 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:22:38
Just had a Media interview and was told " 95% certain Ancelotti will go to RM - - media informed within last hour " - - my Interview will be on Capital radio later today. Quoted ToffeeWeb as always as the font of all knowledge.
Barry Hesketh
146 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:23:01
Not a good look is it when you see how long each of Martinez's replacements lasted. According to Everton Statto, Everton's last 4 permanent managers' reigns:
Ronald Koeman - 1 year 131 days
Sam Allardyce - 167 days
Marco Silva - 1 year 188 days
Carlo Ancelotti - 1 year 162 days
Daniel A Johnson
147 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:25:07
I’ve heard that it’s Moyes nailed on cert.

He’s been delaying signing for the Hammers as he’s been talking to BK and Moshiri.

All hail the return of the Moyesiah

Derek Taylor
148 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:25:31
Guess it explains Howe's reluctance to sign the papers at Celtic ?
Steve Brown
149 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:25:38
Time for Ian Edward’s to move from critic to visionary - WHO DO YOU WANT AS MANAGER?
Barry Robson
150 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:26:36
So to all those that said CA was only here for an easy pension. No longer had the drive or ambition to compete at the top. He clearly wants to rejoin the most pressure driven job in world football at a time when RM need to rebuild like never before.
So if that doesn't show ambition and self belief I don't know what does.
But all Carlo wanted was a last cushy number with Everton according to some on here.
Where does the club go now?
Paul Birmingham
151 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:26:39
Jeez, typical so much for building a foundation, “the project”, but the media circus seem to be on a frenzy on this one.

Moshiri would have to be asking questions, but also the house burglary and robbery and perhaps other matters may be brought into account.

Well I had no expectations in this transfer window, as it’s every player going linked with Everton, but I hope that they don’t go for Moyes if this sketch turns out to be true.

Marc Hints
152 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:27:10
Daniel @195

David Prentice has said that replacement talk is premature and also David Moyes is wide off the mark

Rennie Smith
153 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:27:19
Probably a done deal, who would turn down Real in favour of us let's be honest, so no hostility towards Carlo from me.

All those whinging about what a shit manager he is, a dinosaur etc. will get their wish and we're back to square one all over again, new manager, new players, new budget demands, new staff. When we will ever learn that chopping and changing is the root cause of our problem. For the first time in decades we bring someone in who has the capabilities to build something significant, but no, people scream the place down because it's not an instant fix.

A sad day if (when) he goes.

Kevin Molloy
154 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:34:32
I may have got a LITTLE carried away Jay, but if you can't speculate on days like today when can you..
Danny O’Neill
155 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:34:42
Eddie Howe? Another manager with "Premier League experience".

Of getting relegated. Haven't we tried two of those recently?

Moyes? No thanks. We've been there before. Won nothing and gradually had our expectation played down.

I hope this isn't true but it's growing traction.

I'll say it again. Regardless of the manager. Get better players.

Rudy Chinchilla
156 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:36:01
If Fabrizio Romano's reporting it, it means it's probably true Carlo's gone. Now comes my nearly annual suggestion that we should appoint Marcelino, which at this point probably makes me look like a madman, his agent, or his mom.
Barry Hesketh
157 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:37:49
Rudy @156
In the modern world, it's possible you could be all three :)
Rob Halligan
158 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:42:38
Danny, Moyes walked out on us once, he can stay where he is as far as I'm concerned.
Jimmy Hogan
159 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:42:46
The only time Everton have won silverware since the war is when an ex-Everton player has been the manager. Arteta is probably out of the question, but step forward Big Dunc, together with a very savvy assistant.
Danny O’Neill
160 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:47:32
I don't like that perspective Jimmy, although clearly everyone is entitled to it.

I hate using them as an example, but it took Liverpool to step out of the boot room mentality and reinvent themselves in the modern game to win stuff again.

If we think that Evertonians (mostly non native ones) will only ever win us trophies, we'll probably never win anything ever again.

I don't care where the manager comes from or who he's played for and whether he's played for Everton. Klopp never played for Liverpool. Ferguson never played for United. Mourinho never played for Chelsea and Wenger never played for Arsenal. Pep never played for City or Bayern Munich.

As always, first and foremost you need the players. But then if you want to succeed now, you need a fairly big name manager. Chelsea has just proven that. Lampard may have the potential, but it took Tuchel to come in and get a tune out of it.

Keith Gleave
161 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:48:02
Why would any half decent manager come here, after one defeat they’re pulled apart on here. Same as the players.
Christopher Timmins
162 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:49:45
If Madrid have made an approach I can only see one scenario as nobody says no to Madrid.

If Carlo departs then the best of luck to the new manage as he will be taking over an absolute mess of a club. It will be some challenge to move the club forward, therefore, no matter who takes over, be it Nuno, Howe, Moyes, Potter, another world class German coach, I wish them well.

Of the candidates mentioned I think Nuno offers the best hope of success.

I don't think Moyes will leave West Ham, not with them in Europe and things having gone so well for him there. He might use the situation to improve his contract and his bargaining power regarding future transfers.

Luke Welch
164 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:50:14
Not bothered if he does go, Carlos gravitas still got us 10th and the football was dire! There is no chance he would have got the spends to by the players he would require, to get us challenging again. We need someone who can get the best out of what's at their disposal and sadly - Carlo didn't know what to do with our lot. Does that make him a bad manager? No, just the wrong one for this particular job.
Rick Tarleton
165 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:52:33
If Ancelotti goes, there'll be him at Real, Koeman at Barca and Martinez as manager of the number one international side, Belgium. All were not exactly successful at Goodison. Interesting.
Rennie Smith
166 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:53:26
Quite right Keith, I actually think some people would prefer to see us fail so they can get their full moans in. It's a bit like these Arsenal TV types, they make more money when they lose.
Barry Hesketh
167 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:53:29
Keith @161
I really don't believe anyone employed in the game, at the highest levels, really concerns themselves with what us mere mortals have to say, be it good or bad. It's the large amounts of money on offer that they look forward to and if they get praise along the way that's a bonus. I had admired Carlo and thought he might do something for Everton but he has shown himself to be yet another mercenary in a pantheon of mercenaries.

Whoever Everton appoints to replace Carlo, I don't want to hear 'family club', 'nice place to work' etc I want to hear I'm here to win as many games for Everton as is humanly possible. All the other soundbites are meaningless.

Kris Boner
168 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:54:22
Go get Christophe Galtier. Did a remarkable job with Lille, winning Ligue 1. Wonder if he is capable of doing something similar here.
Soren Moyer
169 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:56:56
"Everton are talking to a big name to replace Ancelotti".
Nuno Herlander Simões Espírito Santo! There is a big name for ya!!!
Danny O’Neill
170 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:57:38
Because they didn't have the players Rick Tarleton.

Ultimately, you need the players.

Marc Hints
171 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:58:00
Barry @167

Absolutely agree, problem is though its Kenwright most of the time that keeps saying family club, nice club etc.. and also keeps employing ex players because he loves being sentimental regardless if any of those ex players can actually coach!

Luke Welch
172 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:00:54
Well either way it's the most exciting thing that's happened since he took over.
Danny O’Neill
173 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:01:46
One lighter note. Whatever happens everyone, we'll all still be here!!!
Soren Moyer
174 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:02:26
I can't believe we are being linked with the likes of Moyes and Howe again ffs! Kenwright out.
Brian Murphy
175 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:02:39
Rick: @ 165. I was just about to write that. So fucking Everton.
Kieran Kinsella
176 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:03:44
Soren

I know ffs why not get Mike Walker if their the options

Gerard McKean
177 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:04:31
Marc Hints nailed it: as much as most Evertonians are positive about Carlo, nobody is bigger than the club and if he wants to go Everton is better off without him. We need players, managers, coaches who, as well as being good at their job, really want to be at Everton.

The phrase “world class” gets bandied about in relation to Carlo but if it’s true that he’s asked to go, and I believe it is, there is nothing class about that at all.

Dan Parker
178 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:06:05
It will completely wreck our summer transfer strategy if this happens and the club didn’t know/plan for it.
Soren Moyer
179 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:07:00
Kieran, if Walker was available, we would have been linked with him too lol.
Kieran Kinsella
180 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:07:45
Gerard

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, a bereavement, a house break in, coupled with an underperforming team. Some times when you’re down the grass looks greener.

Shane Corcoran
181 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:09:04
Surely Benitez has to be the obvious choice when Ancelotti leaves and the speculation window opens.
Danny O’Neill
182 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:09:08
Kieran did you have to?!!!

Mike Walker. Done well with provincial Norwich and at the time the latest, greatest darling of the English media.

That went well didn't it?!!

Watch the media clamour for Howe now.

Barry Williams
183 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:09:18
If you want loyalty - get a dog! Not sure why I even have an interest anymore!
Brian Murphy
184 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:09:18
Bielsa would be my No.1. How exciting would the ball be to watch. I'm so sick of watching poor football. Last time we saw anything decent was in RM first Season. No chance of course, we will end up with Big Sam again, he is available after all.
Danny O’Neill
185 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:11:18
Exactly Barry Williams.

My dogs are with me every morning at 6am listening, agreeing and nodding as I vent about Everton!

Really they just want the cheese cubes I take with me, but I have to believe in their loyalty to me . and Everton.

Marc Hints
186 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:11:33
Gerard @177

Thanks, pointless keeping him and as you say nobody is bigger than the club. Its better having someone who wants to be there and is a good coach.

Rob Halligan
187 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:11:40
FFS, Gerrard is being linked now. Done well in the Scottish Sunday league, but can he handle the intensity and pressure of the English premier league? Let the RS find that out.
James Newcombe
188 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:12:54
Give Bielsa or Rodgers(!) a blank cheque. Failing those, Graham Potter would be a good appointment – i'd have thought Moshiri will be after a 'name', however. Wouldn't mind Lampard either, he had Chelsea playing some good stuff at times and they were a little unfair to him in the end.
Danny Baily
189 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:14:07
Gutted if this turns out to be true.
Barry Hesketh
190 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:15:38
I have a feeling that the next manager will either take us to the promised land or be the final nail in the Everton project.

How the devil enjoys making the dark side happy, Everton's form tails off in the closing months, culminating in a humiliating defeat at the Etihad, his faves make third place in the table and the two manc clubs get done in their respective European finals and now our first and possibly only world-renowned manager jumps ship at the first opportunity. I would imagine even the most optimistic Kopite can't believe those events actually happened.

Soren Moyer
191 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:15:38
Available coaches. Take your pick fellas lol:

RAFA BENITEZ
ATONIO CONTE
CHRIS WILDER
EDDIE HOWE
MARCO SILVA
LEONARDO JARDIM
BRUNO LAGE
JURGEN KLINSMANN
BRUNO LABBADIA
LUCIEN FAVRE
MAURIZIO SARRI
FRANK LAMPARD
ERNESTO VALVERDE
PATRICK VIERA
SAM ALLARDYCE
ALEX NEIL
TONY PULIS
DAVID WAGNER
GUS POYET
OSCAR GARCIA
NEIL LENNON
MARK HUGHES

Luke Welch
192 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:15:44
Think a little perspective needs to be put on the situation. The owner has squandered a good few quid on different approaches to get us challenging again..

None have worked, but over time the expectation level has risen! The money spend is a lot but nowhere near enough to buy success.

In reality, Everton are a top 10 team nothing less- nothing more. The gap between our good selves and those in the top 4 is millions!

This project still is very much in it's infancy and the long game is what it's about. The trouble is we expect too much and lose sight of the level we are really at.


Danny O’Neill
193 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:18:08
Rob. Go and get washing liquid, clean your mouth out and then go straight to Mass for confession!!

Okay, different spin on this. Has the club decided to move here? This club will never fail to break my hope, but I wonder how much of a "mutual agreement" aspect could be in this.

Especially if there's any truth in the poster above's statement that we're already in talks with a big name replacement.

Just please do not dress up Moyes or Howe as a big name. Don't let Kenwright near this one.

Barry Hesketh
194 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:20:48
Greg O'Keefe tweeted Everton has a long list of names including Benitez and Gerrard. As Greg notes the day gets more surreal.
Will Mabon
195 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:21:26
Soren - got to be the return of Marco "Stan Laurel" Silva, if we can't get Super Steve Cooper. Or how about Pulis?
Dave Lynch
197 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:23:09
Can we please stop mentioning Howe and Potter, they are not managers of any substance or pedigree.
Someone posted Howe was an intelligent man, so was Einstein but he knew fuckall about football.
I'm shit scared at the moment, have visions of BK at a presser all teary eyed flaunting our latest fucking waste of a contract.
Im am genuinely scared as well lads.
Colin Glassar
198 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:23:51
Soren, a veritable House of Horrors that lot. Tony Pulis? Is he still alive?🤣🤣
Danny O’Neill
199 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:25:13
Okay, if this happens, here's an outside shot.

The Brentford manager.

You go one way or the other. Up and coming or established and experienced.

Experienced; I'd go for Benitez. I'll now go and get the washing up liquid and tooth brush!

But ultimately, give the coach the players. Players win matches.

Ray Robinson
200 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:26:40
I don't want more managerial instability just now but if he does go, it might as well be now. Aside from the hefty compensation due, it means that the new manager will get his own budget to replace some of the players. Better now than halfway through a season when a new manager would inherit players he doesn't fancy.

It would also have the spinoff benefit of putting an end to Mr Hind's Ancelotti Out campaign! Till the next manager at least!

Soren Moyer
201 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:26:43
Will (195), Pulis, Silva, etc. They are finished. Steve Cooper!? No thanks lol.

What we can be sure of is that we will go for an out of work dude this time if indeed Ancelotti goes.

Jay Harris
202 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:27:46
I am holding my powder dry at the moment until something concrete is confirmed although I am told there is a bunch of Spanish reporters hovering around GP to confirm the outcome. Perhaps some of our local lads can confirm.

Rob Halligan
203 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:27:54
Phil jagielka released by Sheff Utd. Kenwright already on the phone to him, offering him the managers job.
Barry Williams
204 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:28:35
So if he joins Real, will he still be espousing the need for bans and points losses?
Stephen Vincent
205 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:29:02
If Moyes goes back to Goodison then so will my season ticket.

Thomas Franke from Brentford would be my choice, although wouldn't be upset if it was Lampard, at least some of the kids would get a chance.

Will Mabon
206 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:29:11
Soren, just to clarify, as it's vitally important - I wasn't serious.
Ian Edwards
207 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:29:31
I don't want Nuno. He's more negative than Ancelotti.
Rob Young
208 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:30:21
we're a laughing stock and Ancelotti is a ffing tosser.
Why the fk do journalist keep on mentioning Moyes and Benitez?

will we ever amount to anything again?
why do we bother?

Andrew Ellams
209 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:30:22
Sky Sports reporting it's 99% done
Will Mabon
210 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:31:58
Barry - of course not. Never underestimate the vast reserves of easy hypocrisy in football.
Dale Rose
211 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:32:03
Lampard for me. Will be a perfect fit with the Everton project.
Matt Hunter
212 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:32:04
Farhad is letting Blue Bill handle this one and I've just come from Bill's office, I can confirm most of the paperwork is complete and the new manager being appointed tomorrow will be Pep Guardiola.

Bill just has to finish up the compensation package with the Sheikh (Bill offered over 1 million Pesos) and by tomorrow, Bill will have Pep in front of the cameras will the new away shirt in hand.

Bill also had a long discussion with another leading candidate Antonio Conte, who was also locked in discussions with Bill but he didn't match the ambition of Bill as he's only won the league in two countries, also he was rather rude when listening to Bill reminiscing about his time in the boys pen.

I can also confirm Moyes, was also having talks with Bill and Bill really liked his game plan for "getting out alive" at Mordor and Old Trafford but he's very much second choice and provided no last minute hiccups with the Pep deal he won't be returning as manager.

Soren Moyer
213 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:32:30
Will, Yes. My post was meant to be agreed with you but somehow it didn't lol. My apology.
Steve Brown
214 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:32:35
Who do you want Ian?
Will Mabon
215 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:33:28
Andrew - media eh!

I wonder how they were able to gauge when it went from 98 to 99%.

Danny O’Neill
216 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:34:20
That's an interesting shout Ian. Some of the in-laws are big Wolves fans, have been all their lives and love what he's done for them.

I'll admit, not followed them a lot as most of the inherited family are Villa, but when I have seen them over the past few years, they've played some good stuff. Their midfielders in particular have played positive football.

Admittedly, they had a poor season this year. Worse than ours.

But I'll agree. I don't know why, but I just don't instinctively see a connection there for him to be Everton manager.

Soren Moyer
217 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:34:22
Matt (212), Is Pep in the building?
Alan McGuffog
218 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:34:59
Only one man with the pedigree that Everton deserves.
Gary Megson...come on down
Barry Williams
219 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:35:13
Will Mabon - 215

or 499.99% done deal, using modern parlance!

Derek Taylor
220 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:36:00
If anybody is going to the Freshy this afternoon, can they please get Richard Dodd's take on Moyes' return ?
Conor Skelly
221 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:37:34
Dave @ 197

It was me that said Howe was an intelligent man. I could add hungry, motivated and meticulous to that list of adjectives. I'd have concerns about his flexibility though, as others have mentioned.

As for Potter. Brighton had the forth highest XP in the league last year. They create chances and play great football. Most of the players on the team have increased in value, some considerably. He's made Brighton a fairly comfortable Premier League side and his career is on an upward curve. Young, hungry and yes, wait for it. . . Bright!

Paul A Smith
222 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:38:12
Congratulations Darren and Ian. Now we can move on lads. Who next though?

Scary times. I just hope the new man has the power and courage to tell Moshiri what players he wants.

No way do I want to see an Eddie Howe steady type with Brands bringing the likes of McNeil in for him as top players.

Will Mabon
223 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:40:08
Barry, yes.

500 the latest one, replacing the previous favourite, "110%".

Rob Halligan
224 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:41:01
Steve # 214. Ask the Pope, you'll likely get a reply from him!!
Robert Tressell
225 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:41:53
Soren, some interesting names on that list. Benitez, Conte, Jardim and Favre have the best credentials. The others look more like the standard Watford used to hire and sack repeatedly. It would seriously gall me to appoint Benitez and it's not like he's achieved anything for years. Conte looks more like a manager who'd want a bigger budget than we've got. Jardim hasn't really done anything since Monaco sold all their marvellous players about 4 years ago. Favre is now 63 and is probably too old to debut in the Premier League, albeit built a very good Monchengladbach side.

So I still like Ten Haag the best but we seem to now be the ruin of many a manager. Whether it would work out is anyone's guess.

Michael Lynch
226 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:42:18
I've just been looking at the Wolves' fans take on this. They all seem to love Nuno and were gutted when he was linked with Palace. But they generally seem to think Everton is a better fit and makes sense for him and the club.

Here's one quote:
"Would be just what Everton need to be honest, though I don't think the way we played last season will excite their fans. However we were electric for large parts of our first two seasons back in the PL."

They also seem to think we'd be in for Neves.

Will Mabon
227 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:43:13
Gary Megson! How about McCall?
Rob Halligan
228 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:44:54
Michael, maybe go back and sign Raul Jiminez as well? Can leave Adama Traore where he is though.
Dave Lynch
229 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:44:58
Problem is Conor we are a shit show.

Why would the Brentford manager leave after taking them up?
Why would Potter leave a stable club for us?

My money is still on Dour Dave with Lampard going back to his boyhood club... these are very scary times for us.

For the record I would like Nuno, he's suffered a poor season and a lot of injuries to boot and still managed a decent placing all considered.

Steve Brown
230 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:46:15
Rob @ 224, you are correct! But I will keep asking. Perhaps the other arch critics would like to contribute a name?
Anthony Murphy
231 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:47:41
If you look what’s happened over the last few weeks, it would seem that this was something that was being discussed for. just look at the display against City and the reaction. Howe pulling out of the Celtic job is also interesting although that could be a red herring

Shit, back to fish puns now

Will Mabon
232 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:48:48
Anthony - scale it down a bit.
Mike Doyle
233 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:49:01
Rob H, can you use the excuse of taking the dog for a walk to pop round to Seamus’s place and get us the inside story from FInch Farm?
Barry Hesketh
234 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:49:10
If Moshiri really is serious about making Everton a force in English football, perhaps this is an opportune moment to have a complete re-shuffle of the club, time for him to take control of his hobby and become proactive in events at Goodison rather than reacting to stuff.

If we stumble on as a club the way we have for the last few years, regardless of who we appoint as manager, there is only one likely destination and it isn't Bramley Moore.

Lewis Barclay
235 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:49:20
The wheels are falling off at Everton if this happens, even with the muted USM money underlying the project, we'll struggle to compete in the medium-term if managers like Ancelotti can and want to leave for jobs elsewhere so quickly. It sends out all the wrong messages.

Danny O’Neill
236 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:50:38
Ferguson and Jagielka.

Duncan can enthuse everyone for a game or two before realising the players aren't good enough.

Jagielka can put his arm around the players when they haven't performed and tell them it's okay, don't listen to the nasty crowd. "Don't listen to them Ross" or whatever it was he said.

If we revert to type here I will be fuming. If this is happening, we had best be thinking externally.

There are enough sentinmental old boys in the system. Move on Everton.

Ian Hollingworth
237 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:50:54
James Vaughan just announced his retirement from playing age 32.

Coincidence? Lol

Lewis Barclay
238 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:51:25
Anthony #231.

You seem like you are really in tuna with everything that's going on.

Andy Finigan
239 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:52:29
I can only think that the club have showed no resistance or determination to may be keeping Carlo and if that is the case then maybe either they weren't satisfied with the way the Carlo project was going, ie, quality of football, or maybe the players he wanted to sign were going against what Brands was trying to do.

The reason I am looking at it in that way is because only very recently he quashed these rumours stating he was happy at Everton Football Club.
If this is true, I will be sad because it means maybe ripping up one plan and having to start another which puts us back in both terms of recruitment strategies and players wanting to sign who now, without Carlo, may not want to.

If it's true, I wish him a fond Farewell.

Andrew Ellams
240 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:52:40
Barry, I don't think he is. He is here to build the stadium and sell for a profit.
Andrew McLawrence
241 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:53:23
Klinsmann seen in duty free at John Lennon Airport apparently.

In all seriousness, though, if he goes, he goes. Get someone else in and give them our full support. If Carlo stays, we also give him our full support. Football and life move on.

Nick Page
242 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:53:59
17th is going to be a push next season. Carlo's signings won't be happy. Half the squad needs the boot.

New manager will want new players and we all know how long that takes at EFC.

Eddie Howe is awful. It will be as funny as fuck if it's Moyes tho… just to see the faces on the "Kenwright isn't involved anymore" sheep.

Absolute laughing stock of a football club.

Ian Hollingworth
243 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:54:02
I hope the players are having a long hard look at themselves as, yes, most of them are average at best but the lack of effort and lack of basic skills must surely be in Carlo's mind when considering this one

Win-win for the players as they get at least another year to convince a new manager of how bad they are.

Thomas Richards
244 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:55:13
Next season in the balance on a personal note.
Like banging your head against a brick wall repeatedly. Then still coming back for more.
Gavin Johnson
245 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:56:02
Conte or Poch would be the ideals if Moshiri still has Champions League aspirations. We had that with Carlo but there was always the argument that he wasn't at the right age to build a team and we would continue to buy more players with no sell on value which seems at odds with Brands.

I think it's telling if we don't stand in his way. While we had some great moments last season but I can't help thinking Moshiri would be concerned by the home form and where we eventually finished. If we had a poor start next season like Koeman and Silva in their 2nd season it would be a massive pay out if Carlo was sacked.

I'd love us to aim for the stars again, but the next appointment will probably be Howe, Moyes or Nuno.

Conor Skelly
246 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:56:34
Dave @229,

I never mentioned the Brentford manager but just so we are clear, you don't think himself or Potter would leave Brentford or Brighton respectively, to become Everton Manager???

As it stands today, we are still a step-up from these teams. The fact that those two clubs are even in the same league as Everton, literally and figuratively, is a testament to the managers.

And I'm also in the camp that would welcome Moyes back. It should have been Moyes after Koeman.

Lewis Barclay
247 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:57:15
Nick @242.

Carlo's signings won't be happy alongside Bobby's. The big guy who was really working at Barca all the time's players, Gravyboat Sam's, and Marco Copper's too.

We'll have a squad made up of players brought in on separate promises, styles and intentions that never materialised.

Rob Hooton
248 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:01:03
I'll be honest and say I really don't care if Carlo stays or goes, the football has been just as shit under him as it was under Allardyce and none of the players look to have improved under his tutelage.

We can't compete due to the crazy money the top clubs spend and the Premier League no longer holds any interest to me – what's the point anymore? Football is dying, at least top-flight footy is. My kids have no interest in watching players roll around cheating and faking. I might as well quit my habit now and move on.

Rudy Chinchilla
249 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:02:22
I think someone already mentioned it, but we've had so many coaches with different styles in the last few years. Every time one leaves, the team gets more disjointed because the next manager has to try and build a team with the last manager's players.

Granted, there are not a lot of options out there right now, but I think the next appointment has got to be someone who can work with the team we have right now (albeit with hopefully a few additions like a right full-back and right-winger). I fear another attempt at a full upheaval will just be a waste of time.

So, I think that means someone who will continue to prioritize defensive solidity (as much as we want free-flowing, attacking football), while hopefully being able to provide service to our attackers through, at the very least, quick, powerful counters (assuming we can't keep sustained possession up the pitch). While I suggested his name with tongue firmly in cheek, Marcelino may actually fit that bill.

If we can't find someone with a "name", though, perhaps appointing Big Dunc may not be the worst option. It struck me that in a recent interview, Calvert-Lewin said his favorite Everton game thus far was the one where we beat Chelsea because Dunc was so passionate on the sidelines. He clearly has a connection with the young players, so it may not be the craziest idea.

Graeme Beresford
250 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:03:21
Don't think I've been this gutted being an Everton fan for years. Constantly let us down over the years. We are a shambles.
Martin Mason
251 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:03:45
This is a disaster for the club. Now we have crossed the line from 'serious' back to 'joke'. We must never again appoint a manager like Ancelotti with an impossible target with the tools available to him.

I believe that we should go young and English, like Potter or Parker (for example), with potential and develop him, they can be no worse than the failures that we've taken on and made rich.

We aren't a Champions League side and are years away so why appoint a proven Champions League Manager. I personally would welcome Gerrard.

Thomas Richards
252 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:06:24
Martin,

Ancelotti is too big for Everton. Let's get one of the new kids on the block. (Thats not a dig at you, Martin.)

Paul Johnson
253 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:08:30
If he goes, and I don't want him to go, then Nuno Espírito Santo will do for me.
John Graham
254 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:09:24
Not Eddie Howe in a million years. Definitely not up to the job and would be fighting relegation by the end of the season.

For me, it would be Bielsa, Moyes or Nagelsmann (if he would come to us).

Very few good managers around so, after that, it would be a difficult job finding anyone decent enough to get us anywhere near Europe.

COYB

David Milner
255 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:09:34
Not good news if it turns out to be true.

But Diego Martinez has not renewed with Granada & is looking for a new project. As a Granada season ticket holder I can say he did a good job with little money.

His Granada team did a better job home & away against Man Utd than we did. Just another name to add to the pot.

Ian Horan
256 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:09:44
Everton should say: "Carlo, you have a contract – we expect you to honour it!!!"

What next for James and Allan??? This will be catastrophic for Everton.

We will be relegation candidates, forget the stadium as well.

Martin Mason
257 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:10:02
Thomas @252,

I agree with you completely.

Iakovos Iasonidis
258 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:10:49
Very bad outcome if true. I only wish it was equal easy to get rid of all our deadwood. The difference is suppose nobody wants it... After Moyes It seems we can't stick with a manager for long, I just hope we get the right compensation and don't hire Moyes, howe etc... We for sure won't get someone as successful as Ancelotti but that doesn't mean whoever gets the job won't have success.
Danny O’Neill
259 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:11:30
Simple fact is, just as we can't keep big-name players, if this happens, we can't keep a big-name manager.

So it makes us small-time, which some would rather have.

Let's be small Everton with our Everton only hierarchy that we criticise but then want an Everton only dugout along with Everton only players on the pitch.

Sorry. I'm very disappointed and angry about this development as much as I've no doubt some will be happy. As long as we can carry on being plucky Everton. Fuck me the Kopites will be happy with this.

We had best come up with a suitable replacement and in my opinion, that had best not be Eddie Howe, Duncan Ferguson, David Unsworth and god forbid, David Moyes. Take ownership, Mr Moshiri.

Dave Lynch
260 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:11:35
Conor, I never said "you", or named anyone else for that matter who mentioned any manager.

A few posters have bandied the same names, all of who IMO (I stress) would be unsuitable or would not leave their respective clubs.

The Brentford manager has built his own squad and would surely want to see what he can do in the Premier League with them. Potter appears to be decent and loyal man who is building a project in his own way, the way he did in Scandinavia.

We have to lose this perceived "Big club" mindset, we are also-rans and have been for years.

I say that with a heavy heart because, at 60 years old, I've seen us win domestic leagues, cups and European trophies.

Andrew Clare
261 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:23
Don't let this knock us back. Go straight in for Conte and keep the whole process on track. The players will be happy and Conte will attract further quality players.

It will work out better for us and better for Ancelotti.

Gary Willock
262 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:31
Think this has been brewing for a while, and could well explain the utter collapse in the last two months.

If he leaves it’s an absolute disaster. Anyone who has wanted this outcome is simply nuts. James won’t want to stay. Allan is unlikely to want to stick around, and I’d hazard a guess Richie will want a move off the back of it too (albeit he has a World Cup to worry about so we have some leverage against form).

Like them or not, we have enough to do with the squad without losing those lot as well. New manager will also need time to assess the squad, which will mean left over transfer pickings later on in the window. The message it sends to prospective new players is horrendous too.

Moving forward the manager options all have problems:

Howe - took club down despite money
Nuno - Wolves fed by an agent.
Moyes - would divide us all
Rafa - see Moyes
Ferguson - players big brother.
Lampard - what makes him any better than a Tim Cahill.
Martinez 2 - after euros is too late and has he learned to defend?
“Another big name” - to be Ancelotti’d again in 18 months?

It’s a horror show every way you look at it. The only ones I can see without too much baggage would be potter and Dyche….and half of us will moan about them being lower team managers. Don’t think we have a choice but to gamble again. Scary times.

James Flynn
263 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:33
Does anyone have a clue they can lend Moshiri?

This is four managers he "really wanted" and it hasn't worked yet.

Gavin Johnson
264 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:37
Paul #253, I've got a mate who supports Wolves and he was gutted that Nuno left and that's the consensus of the majority of their fans. Apparently he's a really classy guy as well as good manager. He donated his wages to food banks during lock down. His only criticism of Nuno was the style of football, but he did say that had more to do with injuries this season.
Rick Tarleton
265 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:38
To all of those people who say it's about the players, yes, well, up to a point.

All of our managers signed players, but the art of management in any field is to make the best of your resources. Every manager can't have a billion pounds to spend on his fantasy eleven and, at the same time, sell on the players he now decides he doesn't want from the ancien regime.

Whoever comes in may have to make Rodriguez more resilient, Doucouré more skilful, Iwobi... just more. If resources were unlimited, each manager could sign their fantasy side and it might be quite easy. Read Paul the Esk's brilliant article on Everton's real world economics.

Whoever is the next manager has to work within restraints, has to work against the backcloth of financing and building a new stadium, and with a fair number of ageing players who will be reluctant to move on.

I think there's a case for Ferguson being given a 2-year contract. He knows what he's got and hasn't got and is, based on his short spell in charge, pragmatic and respected by the players.

Mike Gaynes
266 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:45
This sucks!
Matt Muzi
267 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:13:04
I've heard a rumour the club have just put out a tweet: building work on the new stadium begins in August!!
Scott Robinson
268 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:15:39
Ancelotti doesn’t need the money.

He’s already managed Real Madrid.

He’s already won everything in world football.

Why would you go back?

He could’ve waited his time out after Napoli for the next big job, or gone to Arsenal.

Or, has his time at Everton made him realise he’s not the next Brendan Rodgers, and would rather spend his twilight years managing Galaticos?

Paul Smith
269 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:16:30
Everton will continue without him as we have done for many many years. Players and managers come and go – it's the fans that are the lifeblood.

Who knows... this might be the making of us.

Danny O’Neill
270 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:17:05
Dave Lynch. I respect your opinion and views on here but I do have do disagree.

We never stop believing we're a big club. Manchester United never did and in my childhood I didn't experience them winning the league but did see them get relegated.

That's the crux of the problem. We are a big club. We need to behave like one.

Andrew Ellams
271 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:19:02
Nuno for Palace by the looks of things.
Alan Johnson
272 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:21:41
Imagining Conte... some serious ass-kicking would finally happen...
Gavin Johnson
273 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:23:17
Nobody's mentioned David Unsworth as new boss...
Barry Hesketh
274 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:23:35
Everton has been bold and decided to take a punt on this guy.
Exclusive
Mike Gaynes
275 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:24:57
I'm watch Sky Sports News and they haven't mentioned it yet. Too busy talking about England's squad for the Euros. Like anybody cares.
Matthew Williams
276 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:25:33
Please God, let this be true... Please!!!
Dave Lynch
277 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:26:18
Wish I could think that way Danny, I really do.

Maybe today's events have coloured my thinking... I don't know? I'm just sick of being kicked in the bollocks time and time again by a club I have invested my whole life supporting and following to every corner of this continent.

I am slowly being drained of any compassion for a club that cannot get the basic principles right.

Paul Niklas
278 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:26:51
Well he hasn't improved us in any way but if he stays then he has to massively improve and has to be backed after getting rid of at least 60% of the first team squad. If he goes then use the compensation and offer the job to Steven Gérard. Looking forward to getting slaughtered!?
Jonathan Tasker
279 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:26:52
When he goes I look forward to your full apologies.
I have called this right from the start.
Nobody should shed any tears.
12th and 10th!
In Carlo we trust ! Seriously
Kunal Desai
280 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:28:55
The fact that Ancelotti has had to work with colleagues like Kenwright and Baxendale for 18 months probably was enough to make him think fuck this i'm no longer working with these amateurs.
Mike Gaynes
281 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:29:12
Apologies? To Steve Cooper's agent? Suuuurrrrre.
Danny O’Neill
282 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:29:27
The compassion and passion will never go away Dave.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending how you view it!!

Brian Williams
283 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:29:54
Apologies for what?
Get from out your arse man.
People don't need to apologise for holding a different opinion than you, who the fuck are you?
Hugh Jenkins
284 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:29:55
Just posted this on another site.

"Given that RM are broke and are likely to get kicked out of European competitions,(they still haven't reneged on the ESL), are still also in dispute with the Spanish FA and may well get a points deduction - even if they stay in the Spanish League, I fail to see the attraction?
Regrettably, if Carlo does go, I have to come to the conclusion that he has been badly advised and is also a bit 'thick".

Marc Hints
285 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:30:00
Jonathan @279

I agree with you, as I have said in another post I think he was the wrong man for Everton FC.

Barry Robson
286 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:33:28
My choice is Conte. However if we go for potential then one opinion to seriously take into account is that of Pep Guardiola who described Potter as the best English manager in the game at the moment.
Jonathan Tasker
287 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:34:29
Brian 283
A few of us always held the view that Ancelotti was totally wrong.
Of course I don’t need anyone to apologise but the vast majority on here said he was a great appointment.
My choice would be Graham Potter.
But I know the owners will
A make some dumb announcement about the new stadium
And follow this up with another crap appointment as manager
Anthony Murphy
288 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:35:39
I wonder if Moshiri is thinking Hollywood Manager or B movie, straight to DVD
Martin Mason
289 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:35:49
For me we should use this as an opportunity to reorganise the club with BK gone and recruitment for other places in management based on best available on the market and not just ex-Everton. We have to eliminate the poor little Everton mindset that has infected the club and develop a new positive soul. We must hire a manager who isn't foreign and has upward momentum not all success years behind him. Management is as dynamic as play and for me the age gap between coaches and players should be no more than 10 years.
Thomas Richards
290 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:35:51
"we are a big club. Whats our name"

Are we fuck. We are historically a small minded club apart from 7/8 seasons since the second world war.

We get an owner who gets the bollocks kidded off him by one of the biggest phonys I have met, thereby costing him miliions and the phony making tens of Millions.
We then get a manager beyond our dreams, while he is working his way through the abject crap squad he inherited a few Evertonians arses drop out of them.
Manager,(who doesnt need or warrant this treatment imo) decides.

Ah well. You get what you deserve and boy will you get it.

Danny O’Neill
291 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:37:16
Not a time for told you so's. If only we were all prophets.

"In Moyes we trust"

"Kendall must go" (Everton fans 1983)

"Fergie Out" (United Fans 1989-ish)

Footballing prophets us lot.

Come on. Fans all get caught up in the moment and I get it's all about opinion. That's why we're here discussing. For those who predicted Carlo was wrong took a punt. Gloat as you may, changing our manager again after 18 months is not a good thing.

Kieran Kinsella
292 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:37:54
Matthew/Ian/Jonathan Tasker/Darren

The up side to this is that so-called "apologists" such as myself, can now forever play your game and say "what might have been?" if Carlo finished his task. If a new guy comes in and is better, we will be happy because we don't want the team to not do well. If the team is worse, we will be unhappy and we will make you miserable too by reminding you that you wanted this.

Matt Hunter
293 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:38:36
Kunal (280) 100% on the money
Alan J Thompson
294 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:39:09
This could just be Mr Brands idea even if it does reek of one of Bill's cunning stunts.

Carlo goes off to Madrid with 25M in compensation coming the other way which boosts the transfer funds which are then used to purchase players for surprisingly low fees from a club in Madrid with links to the ESL.

Then Everton announce that Davide is to continue his father's work on the project while Bill pronounces that this shows that we truly are a family club and that charity really does begin at home and invites Mr Moshiri to join him on the sofa.

Finger prints or what!?!

Mike Gaynes
295 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:39:20
Sky reporting that the board will meet this evening to discuss replacements.
Robert Tressell
296 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:40:38
We really have been run very badly since Moshiri took over. Until we have a better alignment between owner, Brands and manager it will get no better regardless of the manager. Moshiri, as I have said, hasn't been interested in footballing success since he realised it was all a lot more difficult than hiring Steve Walsh to find the next Kante and Mahrez. He's here to keep us relevant and build a stadium. He'll sack a manager that might take us down - but he neither (a) spends big enough to make a difference, nor (b) gives Brands the free reign to run the strategy. The consistent misalignment will continue to be the ruin of managers and disappointment of fans until probably the stadium is built.
Soren Moyer
297 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:41:16
Robert (225) Valid point. I would also add Graham Potter to our list of contenders as he appears to know how to beat the RS lol. But seriously, he is a brilliant coach imo. Bentez, Jardim (what else he could do when his brilliant team got dismantled savagely!?) and Van Tan are good choices as well however, not sure about conte.
David Pearl
298 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:41:16
Good he can fuck off. The italian magician that plays Doucoure right wing, Siggy left wing and left us with 1 fit right back and 1 centre forward to start the season. Played of the front foot for 7 game then had us sitting deep. Totally underperformed. His selections, tactics and subs were embarrassing.

What it means to James and Allan l couldn't care less either. I like Nuno Espirito Santa and he can bring us a present in Neto. Get him a right side and he has balance. If Carlo didn't go this way he'd be sacked by Xmas anyway. We need a manager who is totally commited and inspires the players and us fans. UTFT

Barry Hesketh
299 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:45:01
Real Madrid is in trouble financially and in the cross-hairs of UEFA, Ancelotti similar to Kendall with Everton has an affinity with his former club.

Real Madrid can't afford to appoint who they would really like and even if they could they aren't as attractive to ambitious managers as they were a year ago, therefore they ask Carlo to help them out in their time of need. Carlo takes an equal risk to the one he had at Goodison and agrees to join the Spanish giants.

Conjecture on my part, however, it's probably something akin to that and he won't lose money either.

Andy Riley
300 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:48:58
Soren #297 - isn’t Van Tan a bit busy at the moment with the pandemic? I know he loves his footballing analogies but not sure that qualifies him to manage Everton!
Gary Carter
301 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:49:24
For me it’s sad times if he leaves. There’s three things that I cling to, the first is that he has always said it’s a long term project and something new for him that he is really enjoying and he knows he has the backing he wants.
The second is that Real Madrid, whilst an obviously attractive proposal are skint, have a massively ageing squad and he will be basically doing the same rebuild he has to do with us but at a club that will give him one season if he doesn’t win the league and or European cup.
The third is that the report I read about him signing for them imminently also said we were going to bring Moyes back, who I don’t believe would want to come back. Also there would hopefully be around a 20-25 million pound compensation fee that Madrid would have to pay.

If it does happen then I’d want us to be looking at Conte, proven pedigree, big name and knows how to do it in the premier league and is no nonsense with underperforming players
For a punt I’d go for the former Lille manager, Christophe Galtier, what he has achieved is fairly remarkable and he is probably one of the better up and coming managers in Europe.
Then there’s the obvious links,
Nunes Espírito Santos, I would be open about him joining
Eddie Howe, I wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole, just a poor mans English Roberto Martinez.
David Moyes, too divisive amongst the fan base
Rafa Benitez, see above

Total outsiders, Joachim Lowe, Vitor Pereira, Frank Lampard, Sean Dyche, Duncan Ferguson
, not sure I’d be keen on any of them other than Lowe

Jonathan Tasker
302 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:49:44
Kieran 292
All I want is for Everton to be successful
Whilst Kenwright is still there nobody will succeed.
Kenwright remains the biggest stumbling block.
He absolutely has to go
Sam Hoare
303 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:51:37
Yikes! Didn't see this coming. Mr Hind finally gets his wish.

I think my choice would be Graham Potter. But then was happy with Marco Silva getting the job. I prefer young coaches with an identifiable philosophy who have a hunger to succeed.

It seems to me that Potter is good at bringing on young players (Lamptey, Mcallister, Bissouma, White, Maupay) but also good at getting a tune out of older players (Welbeck, Gross, Lallana). I usually thought Brighton looked pretty decent when they played and for those who care about xG such modelling would have had Brighton actually finish around 5th in the league, so fair to say they were probably pretty unlucky not to finish higher. Potter likes developing young players and would be a good fit with Brands in theory.

Other options i'd be interested in are Conte, Gallardo, Amorim, Ten Hag, Galtier, Frank, Farke and possibly Espirito Santo.

Ferguson for me is just too unproven. I' love for him to go and coach a Championship team, do well there and then come to Everton but I just have no idea if he has the tactical nous and experience to move us forward. We've seen the likes of Lampard, Giggs, Keane etc fail to inspire; love for the club is not enough by itself.

Thomas Richards
304 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:52:16
Barry 299,

If skint would Real not be better going for a manager they will not have to pay compensation for?
£20-25 million being reported

Soren Moyer
305 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:53:56
John (254).
Nagelsmann has been appointed as Bayern's new coach so he is not a candidate anymore.
Brendan McLaughlin
306 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:54:11
Paul#269
"Everton will continue without him as we have done for many many years."
Exactly and probably the most depressing post I've seen on here in a long time.
Philip Bunting
307 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:54:13
Managers should have some clause or the club security built into the contracts of managers. I mean we are investing millions into what Carlo wants as a club and as players over a 4. 5 year contract then overnight, cheerio? asta lavista just not right, not ethical and not of any honour. Mecenary if he is not a man of integrity and good ridenece if that is his mindset. I wonder if the players had any inkling towards the end of the season as they fell off a cliff to many times and where the opposite of the team that started the season.
Steve Brown
308 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:54:44
Jonathan@ 279, apologies? To shatter your delusion, you didn't get anything right. The manager you claimed wasn't good enough for Everton will be hired by Real Madrid.

But at least you had the guts to put a name forward - Graham bloody Potter. He may be the usual won-nothing, relegation haunted, here today gone tomorrow loser we have hired for the last 25 years, but fair play.

Barry Hesketh
309 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:55:55
All of this on Bill's anniversary too!

On 1 June 2004, Kenwright became chairman of Everton Football Club. On the same day, Trevor Birch was appointed chief executive officer to replace the outgoing Michael Dunford. Kenwright said that Birch would be his "sounding board" and that the new CEO should "dictate the policy of the football club". Kenwright stated that Birch had not been brought in to sell the club, but that a new investor can have his shares as long as they "have money to run the club".[14] Birch resigned six weeks later.[15] He resigned after a meeting with True Blue Holding (Kenwright, Woods, Gregg and Abercromby) where the board opted to not to sell the club. Gregg claimed there was a refusal to relinquish control by other directors and that it was preventing progress at the club.[16]

Barry Jones
310 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:57:21
Graham Potter is talented, but right now, I think we need Harry Potter.
Barry Jones
311 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:58:27
Carlo did say he wasn't a magician.
Jonathan Tasker
312 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:58:34
Steve Brown
You may want to look up what Graham Potter has achieved
Ian Edwards
313 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:58:34
Ancelotti was the wrong fit. Stick him in charge of a CL team and he does well. Trying to build a team from mid table was beyond him.

One home win since Xmas. One more win in 2021 than Sheff Utd.

It's best he goes now before he struggles next season and the crowd turns on him.

What we need is a competent Manager who can improve average players and has proven Prem experience.

If it's a choice between Lampard, Nuno or Howe ( being the names mentioned) I would prefer Howe given he over achieved with them for several years and plays attractive football.

However, Don't be surprised if it's an ex player like Ferguson or Neville.

Richard Parker
314 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:58:43
Despite a disappointing season overall (apart from those first dozen or so games), I'm genuinely gutted about this.

I was hoping for another good summer window under Ancelotti with some more class players coming in and really seeing his stewardship kick on next year.

Bad news.

Rennie Smith
315 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:59:13
David@298, don't which games you've been watching but I've never seen Doucoure played right wing?

Be careful of these people like Galtier, yes he achieved a remarkable feat at Lille, but I wouldn't want to base any opinion on this season seeing as it was so f'kd up by covid, no fans etc.

Kieran Kinsella
316 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:59:20
Galtier is an odd one. Lille announced they would replace him at the end of the season, it seems they didn't think he was up to snuff, but then he went ahead and won the league. Prior to capturing the title he confirmed he would be leaving as THEY had suggested, but now after he won the league Lille saying "wait you've got 12 months left" and are accusing Nice of tapping him up. This sounds exactly like an Everton situation so he'd be perfect.
Andrew Ellams
317 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:59:39
Thomas, don't be surprised if some of that amount is leveraged against deals to bring in some of their unwanted deadwood
Frank Sheppard
318 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:59:41
Anyone know if there is any chance of Brendan Rodgers falling out with Leicester?
Paul Swan
319 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:59:51
What’s with all the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth here? Remember not one solitary boo or shout of derision has been made in Ancelotti’s direction over this last season and a bit. He is a personable man, seemed to come across as a nice guy and we all hoped he would succeed but his lack of passion and motivation was obvious and the fact he is jumping ship so easily I’m afraid reinforces this. The shite he served up at the end of last season and most of this would have been enough to get all other managers before him hung drawn and quartered. Move on and get someone more motivated, hopefully with some sort of plan about how to play the game to entertain and not numb.
Brian Murray
320 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:00:47
It’s stating the obvious but il say it anyway because we have form for it. If this news derails any transfer targets then Brands needs to go with him. Should be no need for the usual scatter gun approach. I’m an Evertonian and don’t care what millionaire is appointed manager.Just get the six first teamers and the same ( at least ) going out.
George Cumiskey
321 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:01:51
Paul Swan I'm 100% in agreement
Soren Moyer
322 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:02:26
Mike(275),
They had it as a news alert 2 hours ago.
John Raftery
323 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:06:47
I wonder what was said at the recent meeting between Carlo and the club’s hierarchy. Is money available to strengthen the squad to the extent we could hope to compete for the top six? If not, the likelihood of a struggle in the lower half of the table beckons. The latter scenario would probably lead Carlo to think failure in Madrid was more appealing than failure at Goodison.
Barry Robson
324 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:08:10
I want a manager better than competent and players better than average please IE.

Ancelotti was that manager and would have replaced our average players over time.

Paul Niklas
325 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:10:11
Why go on about Doucouré right wing.Ancellotis crime was playing him at all. One shocking footballer who sums up how bad we are at buying players.Im still thinking Gérard or Conte or even Simeome, we need a fighter an US v the rest mentality. I hope it gets confirmed now and stops Sky taking all day about the shit England team most of us don't care about.
Dale Self
326 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:10:13
Ok just got here and whew is my brain tired. So, yeah, he's gone or that story doesn't print I believe. We're not as damaged by this as some would believe and shame on those just having a good old dig at a time like this. There are some good candidates out there that could advance us from here. Nuno, I left you a message.

I think Anthony got reel when he said that the locker room knew. I actually thought that was Carlo playing the top mgt but Anthony is right I think. So, yeah, Darren and others, have a laugh and call it a failure if you wish but we get a bit of a free turn on the carousel and I don't think the club would be hurt with it turning out to be a temporary appointment. Debate on the Ancelotti project will be a delight I'm sure, looking forward to that on top of the Moyes comparisons. Good times.

Mike Gaynes
327 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:11:07
This is the most depressed I've been in a long time.
Colin Glassar
328 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:11:16
This sounds to me like a gentleman’s agreement. Perhaps Moshiri wasn’t happy with the way the team collapsed and the approach from Madrid means both sides can save face.
David Pearl
329 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:13:19
Rennie 315, final game vs City he had Doucoure on the right and when he had the ball he just stopped and played it backwards. He set him up to fail. Set us up to fail at home to Villa and sat on his hands and watched us get torn apart. With fans back at Goodison we wouldn't have stood for it. This saves us time and money. Hopefully we get a fee for him and a new manager can come in quickly so he can add the few players we need.
Jack Convery
330 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:13:41
If he's going and it looks likely unless this is all a power struggle ie if you want me to stay Brands does what I say and sod these Iwobi, Brabthwaite, Nkounkou, Kean, Bernard and King signings. I want to bring class footballers to EFC not journeymen, kids or crappola.

Anyway if he goes my shortlist to replace him includes

Hass Bean, R Sole, Gob Shyte, Dick De Head and Whan Ker.

Whoever comes in should buy the following players

Ruub Ish, Kant Cros, Fu Kin U Sles and Orful.

The manager and players will then feel right at home when they read the comments on TW.

Tony Everan
331 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:14:42
This morning I thought this was conjecture, but now it seems like a certainty. We’ll just have to roll our sleeves up and get on with it.

Loads of names being bandied about to replace him, I think a ToffeeWeb poll may be needed tomorrow.

Nuno Espirito is one of the more obvious candidates, he’s proven in the Premier League and has done very well with Wolves.

Moshiri will want a safe pair of hands to keep the project ticking over until we’re in the BMD, probably with experience in this league too. Nuno ticks those boxes, no compensation to pay, and is available.

Whoever comes in better be motivated for it, because the job is going to test them to the limit.

Paul Tran
332 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:14:45
If it's Kenwright's decision, it'll be Howe, Moyes or Dyche.

If it's Moshiri's decision, it'll be Pochettino, Simeone or Conte.

If it's Brands' decision, it'll be a non-British guy beloved of the nerdy stattos and xG merchants.

Only certainty is that plenty of us will be unhappy with the choice.

They just won't let us have more than a week's peace, will they?

Kieran Kinsella
333 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:15:34
Ian

If we get Howe watch all those 1-0 wins become 1-3 defeats

Dale Self
334 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:16:29
Ooh some drama and intrigue on top of the shock. Get ready for some possible tough talk to save face. Not speculating here, just saying that cheap talk can come about at times like these when only the so-called gentlemen in the room know. NDAs and all that.
Ian Bennett
335 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:16:53
Needs sorting quickly, and just hope there are 3 weaker teams.

We are bang in trouble already.

Gary Carter
336 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:18:39
For all those pointing out how bad our home record was, they conveniently ignore the fact of our away record or the fact we finished with 10 more points than we did last season, and that with Carlo only having brought in 5 players. Sorry, but for the longer term rebuild of the club losing this man is an absolute disaster ! Agreed, there are some decent candidates out there, Conte and Galtier being my preferred options, what Galtier has achieved is truly remarkable and for whoever it was above that said he just won the league during Covid, check his whole record at Lille out and at St Etienne !
I actually think that because of Reals financial position Conte and Galtier, Conte in particular would be far more likely candidates.
For those suggesting Potter, you must be joking, Potter, Howe just poor mans Martinez.

My biggest fear is that this is driven by meeting with Brands who wont get him the age/type of player he wants, for me that would make it believable

Brian Murray
337 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:18:41
If the fall out from this is Bill steps down il be having a street party on county road. Oh and take his little miss dynamite with him and any other jobs for the boys inept coaches as well.
Clive Rogers
338 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:19:11
Jack, we’ve already got those players you mention.
Gavin Johnson
339 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:19:15
Colin #328. I agree, after finishing 10th I bet Moshiri was having visions of a 2nd season like Koeman and Silva. At least this way we get compo for once and there's no fear about paying a gigantic pay off if things went south next season.

Jack #330 Branthewaite and Nkounkou have been great finds. We need more like them. Kean also looks good business when we make a decent profit on the 24m

Danny O’Neill
340 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:19:27
It's a disappointing and harsh fact. But an English coach hasn't won a league title in the Premier League era. The Scots with Dalglish early and post Ferguson, it is the continentals who are dominating our domestic game now and not just on the playing front.

It's even creeping into the Championship and the teams coming up that play good football have continental coaches Wolves and Leeds being good recent examples.

It doesn't make me happy saying that by the way.

Broken record but we need to look external. Please don't go for the Burnley boss because he can organise shit. I do that when my dogs curl one off every morning.

Ancotti done that and finished higher than Dyche.

Aim high Everton. Please fucking believe. Please

Mike Gaynes
341 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:20:11
Jonathan, you referring to Potter's 41% win percentage at Swansea or the 26% at Brighton?

Robert Tressell
342 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:20:28
Jonathan T #312 certainly Potter is the closest to the next Rodgers. Both he and Dyche do a good job but he has done his work with a more panache and assembled a very decent squad of players - of the type I thought Brands would be buying in the first place. It is a big step up, mind you. But if we can't get Ten Haag (as I reflect I wonder why he would leave Amsterdam for a poison chalice) then Potter is probably the best bet. We have to accept though that our competition is now Villa, Leeds, WHU as well as our fellow big spending mugs Spurs and Arsenal. It's not going to be top 4 under any manager. It's now about building a decent competitive squad over a period of seasons that will be capable of an assault on the top 4 in about 3 years. Given we've only made the top 4 twice since we last won the title then I expect we can wait that long.
Dan Nulty
343 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:20:42
The only positive with Howe is he is an Everton fan. Premier League relegation after spending large amounts of money on players like Ibe and Solanki. No thanks.

This is such a typical Everton situation. Why do I continue to put myself through it? Wish I'd never watched that 1984 FA Cup final as a 5 year old kid. Been pretty much disappointed continually since the age of 8.

Ray Said
344 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:22:13
I don't know WHO I want but I know what type of manager I want.

One with a clear style of football that is easily explained to some of the no marks we have masquerading as players. I want a manager who will employ coaches that ensure the players are fit to run a whole game twice a week, who will employ coaches to do ball work to develop skills, tactical work to develop brains and knows what a good player looks like. I want a manager that knows when players are cheating their team mates (and fans) by jogging around looking like they are closing down-yes Mr Siggy and Mr Iwobi I am looking right at you both. Get someone who fits that bill and I will be happy

Clive Rogers
345 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:22:35
Sounds like they are in talks to persuade him to stay, but he won’t.
Barry Rathbone
346 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:23:52
I like crisps
John Keating
347 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:24:06
I hope to God it’s true as it might appease the haters until the next manager is named then before he signs we can hate him too
Mind you if Ancelotti goes for sure it will open the door for the mesmeric duo of Unsworth or Ferguson
I don’t understand how an old, passed sell by date, only here for the money manager could even be mentioned in the same breath as a club like Real Madrid?
Surely Yeovil Town - maybe
First priority of the new manager will be to tell Pep Holgate is never leaving no matter how much they offer.
Never wanted him here like most - well half a dozen TWers
Paul Tran
348 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:24:46
Potter's team plays nice football and is usually second-best in both boxes. That suggests to me that either he can't afford decent defenders/strikers, or he's another flatter to deceive merchant like Howe.
Frank Sheppard
349 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:25:20
It’s a funny one, our performances second half of season were as bad as when Silva was in charge.
Andrew Bentley
350 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:25:52
Am genuinely stunned. Can’t believe we are going to lose Ancelotti. The only reason we had any hope of signing big name players was due to brand Ancelotti (not Brands Ancelotti!).

James will be off and pretty sure Allan will want out too. Richarlison will be gone as well surely as he has stated already last season that he wanted to move on. Add Kean to the mix too.

The only glimmer of hope here is that if the above leave like Carlo that we could get a decent transfer pot in to allow someone to rebuild.

This needs to be a complete rethink about this club and an investment in a manager like Potter who plays attractive football and will grow with us (a la Moyes). We aren’t going to get a big name other than an old has been so let’s get a manager on the up rather than trying the same old names.

Sod’s law that Spurs will nick the person we want…….

Paul Birmingham
351 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:26:12
All change it seems and Id like to be a fly on the wall at The Liver Building and FInch Farm.

So I’ve no idea who’s being courted to replace Ancelotti, but it looks like a tough summer but we shall see.

Can Everton resolve this in a timely and quality manner and get a proven manager, no doubt whom. Will bring his own crew and philosophy to the club?

Disappointing end to Carlos reign at Everton, and I hope the truths are disclosed aside from Real Madrid being a Lengendary football club.

They are in the septic 12 clubs, and Carlo publicly disapproved of that venture at the time.

Two weeks ago he also discounted the initial signs of Madrid’s needs in view of Zidanes waning stock.

I wonder what’s changed and will Brands transfer plan have to be rehashed else did they have a fallout?

Poxy twists of fate, and Everton it seems are in The doldrums, today, hopefully for not too long.

Paul Birmingham
352 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:26:22
All change it seems and Id like to be a fly on the wall at The Liver Building and FInch Farm.

So I’ve no idea who’s being courted to replace Ancelotti, but it looks like a tough summer but we shall see.

Can Everton resolve this in a timely and quality manner and get a proven manager, no doubt whom. Will bring his own crew and philosophy to the club?

Disappointing end to Carlos reign at Everton, and I hope the truths are disclosed aside from Real Madrid being a Lengendary football club.

They are in the septic 12 clubs, and Carlo publicly disapproved of that venture at the time.

Two weeks ago he also discounted the initial signs of Madrid’s needs in view of Zidanes waning stock.

I wonder what’s changed and will Brands transfer plan have to be rehashed else did they have a fallout?

Poxy twists of fate, and Everton it seems are in The doldrums, today, hopefully for not too long.

Jack Convery
354 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:29:03
Gavin 339 - agreed about Branthwaite and Nkounkou. However Carlo's brief was the Champions League 23/24.

You are not making progress bringing in so called experience by signing players the calibre of Iwobi, King, Gomes and Bernard ( who is really skillful but not up to playing in the EPL). Remember Carlo said he was 'surprised' at how good Godfrey has been - feint praise indeed for Brands.

Colin Glassar
355 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:29:17
When I hear the likes of Moyes, Howe, Dyche, Nuno, Harry Potter etc... being linked to I want to shoot myself.

The only one I heard of who sounds feasible is Ragnar Lothbrok. I know nothing about him except that he’s German and has a cool name and a fierce reputation.

Kieran Kinsella
356 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:32:35
Worst of it is that the "deadwood" will be telling their agents "hold on, let me carry on picking up a fat check here and maybe the next manager will fancy me."

Brands needs to have a Zoom call today and make it clear to Bernard, Iwobi, Delph etc that they need to find new clubs immediately.

Soren Moyer
357 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:32:53
Andy @ 300,
I meant Ten Hag lol.

Barry @ 310, If we are going for "talented" then Mr Ripley would be my choice 😀.

Joe Corgan
358 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:33:06
Ahhhhh. The mercenary fuck!

Has already managed the biggest teams and won all of the biggest titles. Surely he has nothing left to prove to himself or anyone else. We shouldn’t just accept that it’s too good an offer for him to refuse. Taking a club like ours from mid table obscurity into the Champions League should be a more enticing challenge for him at this point in his career.

He signed a contract with Everton. Hold him to it. If we want to be a big club, we ought to start behaving like one.

Michael Lynch
359 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:34:34
I'm not sure why posters on here are having a pop at other posters who weren't fans of Carlo, like it made any difference whatsoever. If Carlo goes to Real, what difference does it make if he was shit or brilliant when he was here? The end result is the same. He's fucking off and we have a group of players that Carlo deemed to be of such poor quality that we couldn't keep possession or hope to win a game by dominating the opposition. A group of players that he said were better without the ball than with the ball. Some poor idiot has to come in and try to work with this pile of mediocrity.

Personally, I'm surprised that Real want to bring Carlo back, and disappointed that we have to search for yet another manager. I can't say I was looking forward to another season of watching the horrible football that we played under Carlo, but I guess he did improve our points tally, so maybe it would have been better next season.

Anyway, this is all so Everton. My sympathies are with the few who actually CHOSE to support this club, the way most kids these days pick Utd or the RS or Chelsea. I heard a really sad story about a fella with no connection to the city or the club who chose Everton just to piss off his dad who was a London RS fan. A whole life of endless misery when he could have picked a team that wins stuff occasionally. Poor bastard.

Mike Gaynes
360 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:35:14
Jack and Gavin, Branthwaite and Nkounkou have not yet proven to be "great finds"... they look to be excellent prospects, but that is all.

As for Carlo being surprised at how good Godfrey is... wouldn't we all be able to say the same? I don't remember anybody here projecting him to become what he so quickly did. He surprised everyone.


Michael #359, I chose this club 36 years ago, and I have no regrets and no need of sympathy. Can't speak for anybody else in a similar category.

Dale Self
361 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:36:17
Not trying to start anything up but what's the knock on Nuno? Genuinely interested, please don't scorch me.
Danny O’Neill
362 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:36:30
Nothing wrong with German coaches Colin.

Chelsea pulled a masterstroke and turned their season around once the right coach became available.

Our cousins done likewise, disposing of the much admired Brenda because the right coach was available.

I'm bias, but German coaches are up with the best in world football. Go hunting there Everton.

It's won the last 3 European Champions Leagues.

Ajay Gopal
363 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:36:42
No, no, no, no, no, no... this can't be happening! Another summer of turmoil, another season of 'rebuilding', another manager to blame the players brought in by the 'previous' regime. And the instability will continue, until one day, the inevitable happens. I fear for the future of my club - when will we ever have stability and actually win something? I can't believe that Carlo will leave this 'project' incomplete and leave us high and dry! I expect, nay, I DEMAND a statement from Carlo when I open TW tomorrow "I am flattered by the interest shown in me by Real Madrid, but ". Sad day if it happens, we will go back to being the small club that everybody - except us Blues - believe we are.
Martin Mason
364 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:36:58
I know that many would die sooner than see this but I'd make Stevie Gerrard favourite. He has acted with grace in a tinder box situation up there; can Gerrard do any worse? I couldn't do any worse so he's a good bet. Can I now give my honest opinion of Carlo? Once great I'm sure but with the benefit of hindsight a tragically bad choice for what Everton need now. Everton need a dynamic and Carlo isn't that, Chelsea have found dynamic. Carlo is also a blatant opportunist and who wants one?
Barry Hesketh
365 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:37:08
Mike @360

Unfortunately for Ben Godfrey, he didn't make the final cut for England, he'll have to watch on the TV like the rest of us.

Gavin Johnson
366 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:37:33
Jack #354. We should be buying more like Branchwaite's and the players Carlo wanted. It's the nondescript shite like Gomes, Bernard, Tosun and Bolasie we need to swerve.
Dale Self
367 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:38:11
try the popcorn Barry!
Colin Glassar
368 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:39:09
It’s all over lads. Iwobi just sent me a R.S.V.P invitation to a celebration party at his pad. He told me BK has offered him a 10 year contract and he’s to be Unsy’s asst. manager.

It’s fancy dress so he’s going as a footballer.

Dale Self
369 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:41:17
that popcorn was for Barry Rathbone btw
Mike Gaynes
370 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:41:43
Barry #365, let's see how he does with the next cut. The one for the World Cup. As for the Euros, honest question, do you guys really care about that? We certainly don't over here in the colonies.

Dale #361, I haven't seen many knocks on Nuno. It's just that he already appears ticketed for Palace.

Kieran Kinsella
371 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:42:17
Colin 368

So Big Dunc drops down the pecking order? Oh well, he can always work his way back up to number 2 when Unsie gets the chop.

Andrew Bentley
372 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:42:24
Dale @361, no knock on Nuno but didn’t include him as thought I read something about him/his family wanting to go back to Portugal/Europe. May have been wrong. I was predicting him to take on the Spurs job which was when I read something about family wanting to leave the U.K.

The other name not being mentioned that may come up is Hassenhutl…..

Daniel A Johnson
373 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:42:33
I think Moshiri with the stadium being built will want a proven premiership manager. A safe pair of hands so to speak who can work within a budget prob with prem experience. He will be very risk adverse.

So that realistically leaves:

Moyes: Still not signed his contract and keen to move back up north. Knows the club inside and out and can work on a budget.

Nuno: Prem experience but his time at Wolves just seemed to fizzle out. Nothing to suggest he should be top of any list. The fact he was spoon fed signings by Mendes was worrying.

Dyche: Cock of the walk in a small pond. Can defo work within a budget, but his football is dire and regardless of where we stand in world football Burnley to Everton is a big step up up.

Benitez: Worshipped on Tyneside for serving up football that was worse than under Bruce. Long time Red and would be divisive but can certainly organise a squad.

Potter: At times Brighton have played some good stuff other times they have been annihilated. Getting good plaudits but a risk and maybe the job has come around too soon for him.

Howe: Too risky, attack minded football, questionable defending, questionable transfer record. AVOID.

Big Duncan: Will get them fired up but what else? He's had understudy roles, With Ancelotti, Koeman, Silva, Martinez and Moyes if he's not gonna put his hat it then when? and if not now then why not? If he wants it now is his time but he also will carry a risk as he's still unproven over a season.

John Raftery
374 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:43:00
‘Howe plays attractive football’ is a comment which alarms me. His team played adventurous football leaving themselves wide open at the back. Ultimately they were relegated, albeit after hammering us 3-1 in their final match. Howe struggled at Burnley whose fans generally thought he was one of the worst managers they have ever had. Expecting someone like him to step seamlessly into this job would be a huge risk, especially given the lack of pace and energy in the squad.
Phil Wood
375 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:43:25
Paul Swan (319) All good points.
I am not upset as I think we have dodged the bullet of a huge pay out after next season.
I too liked Carlo as a person but don't think he was taking us forward as I had expected. Strange Team selections and too much faith put on players who never performed.
Players seldom looked motivated and heads dropped far too easily.
Think many of our slender victories were down to a rejuvenated Pickford. Performance wise I think we looked more edge of relegation zone than Euro hopefuls. I wish him well.
Don't think I can guess the next candidate.
Whoever it is they had better work fast as there are a lot of overpaid, underperforming players. Some of whom were brought in by Carlo.
Paul Birmingham
376 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:43:28
Colin, that’s a fair call.

Hopefully the version of the truths behind this matter, will be live very soon on TW.

I’d take Simeoni, but that’s only my wish but Everton need this new appointment, to be a success

Kieran Kinsella
377 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:43:50
Mike 370

I do, although my pool of countries I can claim allegiance too is smaller with Ireland out. My Mum is from Scotland but her parents weren't so they don't count for me.

Don Alexander
378 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:43:54
Barry (#309), you make a very valid depressing point. Birch leaving after six weeks to me speaks volumes about the ruinous antics of Kenwright. Birch has gone on to have a stellar career in accountancy and football, having been a professional player too. He's the current chairman of the EFL for Christ's sake, and while he's gone on to bigger and better achievements our self-proclaimed Golden Bollocks is still festering as Chairman, advising Moshiri more closely than when he was appointed as such according to Mr Mosh himself.

Jeez, you couldn't make it up, and the club's still stuffed with Bill's hangers-on whilst we stumble on decade after decade with the distant peaks of success now barely visible on the far horizon.

New manager? New players? Nah, new culture please after the club's given a forensically deep clean!

Paul A Smith
379 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:45:13
Its heart breaking this Evertonian lark.
Not because a manager leaves or a player leaves but what are we now?

Same old same old drum I bang -just keeps on playing.

Another walks from Everton to the elite while Everton claim to be trying to join the elite.

It will not happen and I just wish all fans of the other clubs in football turned their attention to the big picture.

While the fake Super league operation was closing occupied minds, UEFA were smoothing things out for the big guns with more fixtures, more gate receipts and in summary, more money again.

This is just a cycle that will spin til we all die.

Your welcome. 👍

Rob Halligan
380 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:46:29
Steve # 308. Jonathan has very quickly changed his tune. He's been harping on for months about some bloke called Steve Cooper from Swansea. Now it's Graham Potter. Fuck me, someone wake me up from this nightmare I'm having about these ridiculous replacements being touted on here.

On second thoughts, no, let's get Graham Potter in, then after two months I'll be ripping him to shreds, saying what a shite manager he is and We need to get rid of him ASAP. 😠😠

Dale Self
381 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:46:46
Thanks Andrew. Hoffenhuttl doesn't suit me, no cringers. That's one reason why I fell for Carlo, scoundrel. The question at this point is: After Carlo, how much is our squad an albatross that keeps us from getting a decent look from Europe's best?
Anthony Murphy
382 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:47:39
Although last season was not normal due to the pandemic, with many teams performing better away from home, I felt we could carry that away form and approach into next season with a focus to improve our home form. Carlo had mastered our away tactics and I was confident our home form would improve with a few quality signings and fans back. I appreciate that’s true of others.

Whatever you think of the squad as well as Moshiri, Brands and the likes of Big Dunc, you have to ask how much of an appetite is left for yet another rebuild. The first team squad is disjointed - a Frankenstein’s monster of 5 managers’ signings. Moshiri just wants to keep us in the top flight until the stadium is built and he can flog the club, so we need to find someone who can commit, and has the desire and motivation to bring success although the priority of the owner is probably somewhat different.

Craig Walker
383 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:48:24
I just hope all the deadwood don’t get yet another chance of a fresh start. Used to being disappointed but I don’t fancy Eddie Howe, Graham Potter or Moyes. Yet another big summer coming up.
Ted Donnelly
384 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:48:25
Shithouse!...

Not a word I would usually pair with Ancelotti.

But yeah... shithouse!!

Jack Convery
385 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:48:54
Mike - I think what Carlo was getting at was given Brands track record ie Iwobi £30m, he is awful, Delph always injured, Mina misses to many games, that he couldn't believe Brands had actually signed someone who was really good. I reckon that's were the problem lies. Carlo wants experience and Brands was told when he became DOF to get young players in who we could make better and if necessary make a huge profit on.

My fear if Carlo goes is that the best players we have will want to go. For instance I would not be surprised if Pep looked at Digne. City really need a left back - we have one of if not the best in the EPL and possible Europe. Richarlson will want to go, so possibly will Allan and James. We are going to be in an awful mess. I am gutted about C arlo and worried sick as to what is happening to the club I've supported for over 60 years.

Kieran Kinsella
386 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:50:33
Anthony @382,

That's the thing, even Silva was billed as someone to improve our squad, ie, a coach as opposed to an old-school manager, but he was able to go out and sign his own men. While Carlo said we needed improvement, he had already theoretically made progress with some of his own signings. A new guy will probably want to start from scratch and Moshiri may not want to cough up again.

Andy Walker
387 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:50:55
I was wrong. I posted a couple of weeks back that when Moshiri appointed Ancelotti he commented something like ‘we've got a great squad of players we just need a top manager to get the best out of them'.

That sent shivers down me at the time as Moshiri was clearly in denial about the £100ms he's pissed up the wall on mainly below standard players. My thoughts a couple of weeks ago were that Ancelotti had now convinced Moshiri that our players weren't good enough (the "I'm not a magician" comment, for example) and we'd see some significant upgrades to our squad this summer.

I now think I was wrong. It looks like Ancelotti has been pushed back by Moshiri and he's now upping sticks and heading off as a result. Once again, any new manager will need to buy into the ‘haven't we got a great squad' delusional Moshiri view.

Listen, Moshiri, we haven't got a great squad, we've got a bang-average squad that has got multiple top managers sacked over the past 5 years or so. Oh shit…

Brian Williams
388 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:51:24
If this comes to pass, and it looks that way, then I just hope we get someone in who wants to play football on the front foot and wants to bring in young athletes with pace.

I support Everton and, if the next guy does better than Ancelotti, then I'll be made up!

Barry Hesketh
389 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:53:06
We won't receive any real truth about why Carlo decided to return to Madrid, as somebody mentioned above, there will be a mountain of Non-Disclosure Agreements in place to ensure all parties are protected and we the mugs who pay a small percentage of their wages and a huge amount of time watching, writing and talking about Everton will be left to speculate about what happened and why.

I have often thought that the term NDA stood for "Never Do Anything" – particularly if it applied to Everton FC.

Nicholas Ryan
390 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:53:38
So, an ex-Everton manager at Barca and an ex-Everton manager at Real... who says we can't pick 'em?!
Soren Moyer
391 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:54:54
According to TalkSport, Carlo is as good as gone now and will be replaced by Nuno! However, Sky seems to be more interested in Alexander- Arnold's inclusion in the England team somehow ffs!
Dale Self
392 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:55:00
Ding, ding, Nicholas, that's kind of a silver lining here. We can only get the gold diggers that either don't work out or could always use a pay bump. House sale in Crosby!
Mark Taylor
393 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:55:49
My shock is somewhat mitigated by the lousy second half of the season we just had and the dreadful football we generally played, the worst since the mid-late 90's. It certainly hasn't been good enough to earn you Real Madrid, so I assume they are ignoring Carlo's stay with us in their reckoning.

If we are truly trying to reach for the stars, we'd go for Poch or Simeone- surely the latter wants to try his hand outside Spain now he's achieved so much there and if we promised him a big transfer kitty?

If we are being 'pragmatic', it would be Potter or Farke if you could prize him away. Nuno at a push, definitely not Howe.

If Billy boy gets anywhere near things, it will be Moyes or Ferguson.

Personally I'd be open to the idea of a young chancer, and allow Brands a youth only approach. Let's face it, we're not going to get in the Champions League with this squad, so maybe now is the time for a longer project. Staying in the Premier League should not be beyond us in the interim, and if we finish mid-table, but play some better football and start adding value to players we acquire, that would do for me (painful though it is to admit that).

Dale Self
394 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:56:50
Soren, that's the best thing I've seen you write in...okay, I'm lying, the Carlo thing pisses me off to no end but Nuno would be better suited to our present predicament and might fully invest if the family thing isn't true.
Joe Corgan
395 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:56:59
The Echo says that Davide Ancelotti's missus thanked and said goodbye to her personal trainer via Instagram two weeks ago, so there's a possibility this has been in the pipeline for a while. Surely Everton would have known and have come up with some kind of plan.

I listened to a podcast with Norwich's Director of Football a couple of years ago. He seemed to be a very switched on guy. Very down to Earth. I remember him saying how happy they were with Daniel Farke but, at the same time, he always, maintained a list of realistic, potential successors. Let's hope our own DoF has done the same.

Danny O’Neill
396 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:58:37
I can see that Soren.

Maybe not my choice, but if you look at Brands and therefore our policy of shopping in South America, his Portugal background fits that strategy if that makes sense.

Cristobal Aguirre
397 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:58:57
Bye Carlo. Hopefully Big Dunc take charge.
Dale Self
398 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:59:28
It is agreed. Fuck you, Florentino!
Chris Hockenhull
399 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:00:39
Colin @355.

That crowd you mentioned there... If any of them.. any – that is the end of it all for me.

I've been close to the edge on this for a good few years but the end of the line is nearly nigh. That October afternoon when dad took me to my first game at Goodson (Guess what: we lost 2-4 to Blackburn!!) started it all for me.

I lost dad right on Christmas to Covid so... you know what. I think that's the omen for me, with all this shite Super League crap. The galling thing of seeing every RS manager they get wins them a bloody trophy even when they then get rid of them and Dad and I saw 7 together.

It's All Over Now, Baby Blue

Barry Rathbone
400 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:00:46
Dale @369,

Odd thing is, I don't like popcorn!!

More seriously, I think if this happens, it's a good result. Carlo was never a fit here, we all hoped he would be, but he just wasn't. A charming man who caused us no bother and said the right things. I wish him well but fear he is swapping one frying pan for another.

Since Moyes, we have had 2 managers with definitive styles who had relative successes but were driven out for different reasons (Martinez and Allardyce).

Moshiri must appoint someone with a plan we can't have another wishy washy guy winging it like Koeman, Silva and now apparently Ancelotti. A transformation akin to Leeds with Bielsa and Wolves under Nuno is the target but who that man is... I have no idea.

Soren Moyer
401 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:01:22
Danny, Dale.

Yes, Nuno makes sense to me as well. Let's hope he brings with him Neto if or when he gets appointed.

Neil Copeland
402 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:01:23
Confirmed on Sky!
Len Hawkins
403 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:01:51
Colin #28,

Do you mind awfully if I give your invite for tea a swerve.

I'm sure I have to wash my hair.

Soren Moyer
404 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:02:09
Carlo is an ex-Everton coach now!
Dan Parker
405 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:02:36
Confirmed just now. What an arsehole.
Tony Everan
406 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:03:39
The Don Is Gone.
Neil Copeland
407 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:03:49
Stunned...

So much for the bullshit about believing in the EFC 'project'. It seems we can't really trust anything that any manager comes out with.

Bill Fairfield
408 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:04:04
Thanks for nothing, Carlo.
Soren Moyer
409 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:04:19
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Jerome Shields
410 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:04:48
The fact is that changing round Everton is a bigger job than turning round Real Madrid. Even Ancelotti was finding it difficult to change the culture that has held Everton back for too long.

Moshiri needs to clean out the internal management because, no matter who is appointed, they will have the same difficulty if he doesn't.

The unmotivated crap we got from the players in the end of season matches was telling.


Jack Convery
411 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:05:57
Did anyone notice how really pally Carlo and Nuno were after the Wolves game. Maybe it was a case of - "I wish you luck with this lot!!"!!
John Crook
412 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:06:18
Whatever new manager comes in you can guarantee one thing! That Bill Kenwright will order the new manager that Duncan Ferguson must be part of the backroom team!

I think that is part of the problem, Kenwright's insistence that we have to keep a strong Everton identity within the management team and forced to work with different managers with different ideas (Martinez, Koeman, Silva and Ancelloti all bascially were told you have to have Duncan on your team if you are on our payroll.)

I was hoping that Carlo would be the one to take Everton into BMD but it is not to be. I don't think Duncan is ready for job full time so I hope we can get aggresive in the market and get a big name.

Rob Halligan
413 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:06:18
Does anyone remember I posted about the time I met Ancelotti's son-in-law the day after the Spurs cup game, and he told me that Carlo would love to stay with us for at least 10 years!

Lying bastard!

By the way, I know where his son-in-law lives... I might pop round and question him: Why the sudden change of heart?

Barry Hesketh
414 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:06:21
I can only think that Koeman, Martinez, and Ancelotti have been rewarded with plum jobs because they all in one way or another managed to set us back years.

Let the fun begin as Everton have just declared that they have started the process to replace Carlo, I expect it will be about 10 August when the new man is announced.

Pete Cross
415 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:06:53
Message from Carlo on the Official Website.
Simon Dalzell
416 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:16
I haven't read many posts, but I like to read Martin's (@251) just for a bit of a laugh. 'Disaster'. You're joking. I've been a fierce critic of Carlo, and often wondered if I'd gone too far.

I feel vindicated now. He has been a real failure. Clueless at times. I'm relieved he's gone. "Who do we get?" I hear loudly. It's not my job.

Sam Hoare
417 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:18
Can people stop mentioning Simeone as an option. He's paid about twice what we paid Ancelloti and, even if that weren't a problem, why on Earth would he leave a safe job at a brilliant team where he is loved to an unstable job at a mediocre team where fans will hate him for not being Duncan Ferguson?
Rennie Smith
418 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:32
Why is he an arsehole for choosing Real Madrid over us?
Neil Copeland
419 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:39
As much as I like Carlo, I can't help but feel betrayed. Maybe I am just very naive.

Well, here we go again. Next?

Michael Lynch
420 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:40
He's making a terrible mistake. He'll struggle to find decent Bovril at the Bernabeu for a start.
Martin Mason
421 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:59
The wonderful thing now is that Darren and Ian have become irrelevant?
Ian Jones
422 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:30
This off the BBC website:

Ancelotti thanked Everton's staff and fan and said the move represented "an unexpected opportunity".

Wonder which fan he thanked. Might take him some time to thank all the fans. :)

Ron Sear
423 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:30
It seems that if you are an Everton supporter you are doomed forever to live in interesting times.
James Head
424 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:36
Can't see any manager doing anything with this shower of unfit mercenary players, Now Carlo Ancelotti has gone, can we clear all the coaches at Finch Farm out too? A new culture and a new regime is needed at every level of this sorry excuse for a top football club.

Simeone would be the one to burn the arses of these shithouse players who continue to get managers the bullet but I can't see him coming. It would be Conte next for me and, if not, Nuno from Wolves.

Anyone mentioning Howe, Dyche, Potter or The Ginger Twat had best change their medication.

Michael Lynch
425 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:46
“While I have enjoyed being at Everton I have been presented with an unexpected opportunity which I believe is the right move for me and my family at this time.”

His missus had her bags packed as soon as the offer came in and, to be fair, I can't blame her after the break-in. Still, his dog will miss Crosby beach. Maybe we could sign his dog?

Barry Hesketh
426 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:47
John @412

Unless Duncan is appointed as full-time manager, I think it's time for him to be removed from first-team duties. How can any manager have a fresh start with the same bloke who's served under five, or is it, six managers???

How can the players believe it's a fresh start if the same assistant is uttering the same stuff that he has done for so long???

Peter Mills
427 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:48
It’s increasingly difficult to give a monkey’s about any of the whole corrupt circus.
John Keating
428 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:57
Can I get in first?

Unsworth: hate him, shite, never managed
Ferguson: hate him, shite, just beats people up
Nino: hate him, shite, made an RS supporter captain
Potter: hate him, shite, him and his brother Harry only good for daft movies.
Moyes: hate him, shite, stabbed us in the back.
Howe: hate him, shite, can't work North of Watford.
Gerrard: hate him, shite, need I say anything more?

Have I missed anyone out? I like to cover all the bases but really love all the above just in case we sign one and it works out can say: "I told you so."

Got to get in first before the usual suspects...

Mike Gaynes
429 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:11:02
“I would like to thank the Board of Directors, the players, and the Evertonians for the tremendous support they have all given me during my time at the Club.

“I have complete respect for everyone associated with Everton and hope they can achieve the exciting opportunities they have in front of them.

“While I have enjoyed being at Everton I have been presented with an unexpected opportunity which I believe is the right move for me and my family at this time.”

I'll say it again. This sucks!!!

Liam Mogan
430 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:11:29
Moyes all day.

He would improve on 10th.

Mal van Schaick
431 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:12:33
Couldn't write it at Everton. I suppose he tried his best for us, although it wasn't working out for the owner, and he wants this opportunity, so we have to move on to yet another era.

Klinsmann?

Joe Corgan
432 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:13:08
I can understand why someone would want to go to Madrid over staying at Everton but I also wonder if his decision doesn’t also say something about his faith in Everton’s “vision.”

Was he told he wasn’t going to get a big a transfer kitty as he wanted?

Colin Glassar
433 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:13:31
It's official. He's gone.

Next!!

Rennie Smith
434 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:13:42
Jesus, John @428, that's a lot of hate!

Have a lie down, mate.

Thomas Richards
435 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:14:04
Who the fuck do we think we are as a club? We are a small mid-table club.

Simeone? Why would he come here? A club that has not won a trophy for 26 years.

Get real, people. We will never be a big club.

Soren Moyer
436 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:14:18
It really makes me sick to see we are constantly being linked with a certain ginger 58-year-old individual. It just ain't going away!!! No to big Dunc, Unsy, Howe, Dyche, Gerrard (or any ex-RedShite for that matter), Cooper, etc.

Please, Everton, for once, do your job and appoint the right person! That's all we want.

Also, didn't ya say he didn't approve the Super League idea!? Look where he is now!!!!!

Kieran Kinsella
437 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:14:47
Does this mean we've had enough ex-managers, we don't have time any more to talk about Moyes?
Liam Mogan
438 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:15:08
Move to Madrid to one of the biggest clubs in the world, with wall-to-wall sunshine, great food and culture?

Wanker.

Andrew Ellams
439 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:15:26
He's gone.
Gary Willock
440 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:16:21
Look away anyone with sensitivity to bad language……

Carlo, you money-grabbing, hypocrite. Fuck you and your plastic respect. Enjoy the greedy club who tried to steal the game.

Sorry, I just had to. Everything that's wrong with the game.

Steve Croston
441 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:16:36
I remember he said a few weeks back that he didn't want any players who were unhappy to stay. I think he was probably alluding to himself.

An absolute letdown of a manager, who showed almost zero tactical nouse whilst he was here and sneaked off at the first opportunity. A bottler if ever I saw one; I wish him nothing but misery in his next job.

Am I bitter about this one? Damn right I am. Up yours, Carlo, don't bother making any statement about how you loved the club, fans etc, because now we can all see you for what you really are, which is a money-grabbing gobshite.

Kieran Kinsella
442 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:16:43
Man of his word. He says anyone who doesn't want to be here should leave.
Rob Dolby
443 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:16:45
Okay, let's move on, Ancelotti obviously never fancied trying to make us competitive. Back on easy street in a 3-horse race.

I just hope we bring in someone who has the hunger to bloody the nose of the big boys. I honestly have no idea of who should be next in line... Is Ferguson too raw to do it full-time?

Brands needs to seriously lead from the front on this.

No doubt this is a big kick in the balls for Moshiri. Maybe he can reflect a bit and realise that, by bringing in a top manager, he also had to back that up with serious transfer money.

Graham Haines
444 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:16:50
He will be sacked from there within a year. Another footballing mercenary who talks the talk and fucks off at the first opportunity!
Simon Dalzell
445 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:17:02
Martin @421. It's probably just me. I don't get you at all.

Darren and Ian have been spot on many times. Now irrelevant... What???

Rob Halligan
446 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:17:26
So the whole process starts again. Appoint new manager, he brings his own back room staff, new training ideas etc etc etc.

After 18 months he's fucked off, mainly by the fans, because he can't win a trophy or make Europe in his first season. Wash, spin and repeat!

As I said earlier, Patience awaits no man! The only difference here was that Carlo has resigned, as I think Moshiri would have had the patience to give him a real crack at turning things round.

Carlo was our best chance of achieving something, but now that chance has gone. Welcome to mid-table mediocrity for ever more.

Colin Glassar
447 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:17:34
Next manager out!!
Paul Tran
448 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:18:09
It's simple. He's been offered a better job. And as we said in my recruitment days, everyone's in their perfect job till they're offered a better one.

Chance for a reset. Hire a manager who produces energetic football with players who can play purposefully and forwards for 90 mins would be a good start. Players with character who perform at least 7/10 consistently, rather than the one good game in five players we keep buying.

It's only a disaster if you ignore last season and think about his past.

They come, they go, we stay.

Onwards and upwards, Blues!

Brian Williams
449 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:18:49
Would anyone take a lower league position than 10th for a season or two if a proper rebuilding job was to be done?

'Proper' as in getting rid of the over-the-hill mob and starting again with a young squad?

Jeff Armstrong
450 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:18:53
I think they will go for Lampard.

Ancelotti has treated us like shite: “I want to be here for the first game at BMD.”

Sorry but bigger jobs were always going to be touted, so don't talk shite and get on with the job!

He's off after the first chance comes along. Good riddance... let's move on and give the next guy some support.

Barry Hesketh
452 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:20:52
Kieran @442,

Man of his word. He says anyone who doesn't want to be here should leave.

Post of the day. :)

Bob Skelton
454 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:21:36
Wow. Barcelona, Real Madrid, Belgium, do shit at Everton and get some of the best jobs in the world. And a pocketful of unearned cash. Zidane next I expect...
Ray Smith
455 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:21:53
I have a feeling that Kenwright will be promoting Moyes for a return. Until the boardroom mentality changes, we will just drift on and on.

What high calibre manager would entertain us? For me, Nuno could be a good fit in the given circumstances.

Gordon Crawford
456 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:22:23
My opinion of Carlo has now completely changed. He went on about the 'project' and how Everton was his club... yet, at the first opportunity to move to a bigger club, he took it.

His statement even grated on me. “While I've enjoyed” working with Everton – Clearly he never felt the love.

I'm so shocked and disappointed at this whole event. It's going to throw everything into chaos.

Danny Broderick
457 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:22:37
Everton's last 4 permanent managers' reigns:

Ronald Koeman - 1 year 131 days
Sam Allardyce - 167 days
Marco Silva - 1 year 188 days
Carlo Ancelotti - 1 year 162 days

I’m absolutely gutted at this news. We’ve got to break this cycle we are in. I can’t blame Ancelotti for going - there was a percentage of our fan base wanting him out anyway! We’d probably have sacked him by Christmas anyway, as this is the club we have become. Next up will be Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche. They’ll probably be sacked within 18 months, we’ll probably then appoint Mikel Arteta after he’s failed at Arsenal.

I’ve had it with Everton and football in general.

Jeff Armstrong
458 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:23:19
The Madrid job has been mentioned for about a month. I think it's safe to say he knew he was going when we played Sheffield Utd, Wolves, and Man City...
Peter Dodds
459 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:23:22
Absolutely typical. I spent £13 on a Carlo mug. Won't see that again.

Given I now need a new coffee mug, it can't be Bielsa - I wouldn't want him leering at me every time I take a sip of my flat white. It needs to be someone with a narrow face, else their mug will be spread all the way round my, er, mug. Can't be Conte, the wife would take it and I'd never see it again.

Rodgers maybe - though I'd get freaked out that his arm is about to shoot out towards me and squeeze my shoulder and stroke my cheek, like he does with all his players.

Mark Howard
460 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:23:51
Goodbye, Carlo, we move on. I think Carlo was yesterday's man. We now need someone younger that has a vision and plan that we can all see progress being made.

Most of all we need stability. Perhaps Nuno, after Wolves didn't seem to share his ambition.

Dale Self
461 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:24:18
Have an Esperito Espresso, Peter!
Michael Lynch
462 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:24:57
Shame he's gone, but did anyone here actually enjoy watching the football we played under Carlo? I'm about to renew my season ticket and, I have to be honest, although I'm worried about who will come in, and I like having a big name in charge, I'm also a touch relieved to think that we might not be watching that turgid crap again.

Fingers crossed for some decent footie next season.

David Pearl
463 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:25:24
Can we not start blaming Kenwright, for fuck's sake. Carlo jumped ship, neglected his contract and promises. He did a piss poor job and l would really like to focus more on the monetary compensation we will receive from Real Madrid.
Steve Croston
464 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:25:53
I'm 100% in favour of Ferguson being next full-time boss, and I bet he is too.

We've tried all the tricks in the book now:

Young, up-and-coming manager (Silva) – check.
Tactical genius who got their team relegated (Martinez) – check.
World-class manager (Ancelotti) – check.
Big-name manager from a smaller club (Koeman) – check.

Every other club has tried a former old boy, so why not us? Let's just get him in, let him make his mark on the first team, and I think we could be extremely pleasantly surprised.

Brian Williams
465 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:25:56
Newsnow reckons we're ready to swoop for Slippy G.
Soren Moyer
466 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:26:08
At least we don't have to compensate his wages for a change!

On another news, Karl Heinz Rummenigge has opthed to step down as Bayern Chairman... 6 months earlier than planned! Why is ours hanging on to it!?

Kevin Molloy
467 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:26:45
Fair play, that's an absolute shithouse of a statement.
Gerry Ring
468 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:26:57
Had we had a successful season, I'd be unhappy with his departure... but we didn't. We had a really poor season, playing shite football. In addition, some of decisions & tactics were off the wall; so, for those reasons, I'm not awful disappointed he's gone!
Chris Cook
469 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:27:40
Look on the bright side: it will do wonders for us with FFP. Carlo's wages gone, Rodriguez will be soon.

We'll have saved enough for 2 Bernards!

Jeff Armstrong
470 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:27:42
Gerrard, for fuck's sake, a couple of decent seasons in the equivalent of League One.

God help us.

Joe McMahon
471 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:28:21
He did frustrate me with his decisions sometimes, but I'm gutted. Carlo also raised our profile. But back at Real he's dining at the top table again.

Off the top of my head: Nuno or Lampard for me, but still digesting this news.

Thomas Richards
472 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:28:39
"l would really like to focus more on the monetary compensation we will receive from Real Madrid."

How much are you getting out of it, David?

Ian Burns
474 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:29:22
Saw my first game in 1959 and, for the first time in many years, Carlo's appointment gave me hope, his standing in the game gave my club a spot of polish in the market.

His name made the Gossip columns link us to good, top players and it put a smile on my face, even if none of them were ever going to arrive – it just made the daily mention of my team in this echelon worth the read – and dream.

Now it's over, so back to the drawing board... but in truth I can't think of one single manager – one single realistic manager – who is out there that would give me that same feeling of pride.

Sad day – but, as ever, hope springs eternal.

Michael Lynch
475 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:29:30
Slippy G would be an hilarious appointment. Obviously, he's a massive wanker, and I reckon I could win a title in Scotland, but the RS heads would literally explode. Especially if we beat them at Anfield again, and all our fans carry placards with the picture of him as a kid in an Everton shirt. "He's one of our own! He's one of our own! Slippy G he's one of our own!"
Alan J Thompson
476 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:29:39
Disappointing, but on the upside it gives us something to talk about until the football starts. I suppose, like Ancelotti, all managers come with their own backroom as there won't be many left when the family move out.

If there is one man I wouldn't have it would be Sammy Lee as he's absolutely hopeless at picking bosses and, as much as it hurts to say it (clears throat and spits), I would consider Gerrard except that with the exception of possibly Jock Stein, the Glasgow giants don't produce managers who are successful south of the border.

Dan Parker
477 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:30:24
I'm not suggesting we give it to Big Dunc but, while the likes of Lampard and Gerard are thrown around, why not?

Not sure who we go for personally, it's all such a mess and we lack identity.

Ian Edwards
480 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:30:49
He's gone. That's the end of it. Forward Everton.
Dale Self
481 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:31:07
As for the pisstake, we wouldn't allow Sammy a go but we'll open the door for StevieMe? Don't think so.
David Nicholls
482 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:31:31
Moyes for me. By some distance the best manager we have had in my adult life. He left us light years ahead of where we were when he took over. You can’t say that about any of the appointments that preceded him.
Geoff Williams
483 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:31:58
He never bought into Everton. Ancelotti was here simply for the money. He is an archetypal mercenary, follow the money. Those who thought he was here for the long run were conned, good riddance.

I hope Everton negotiated a good deal for his release. Wonder if James will be his first signing.

Mark Taylor
484 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:32:04
As someone who mentioned Simeone, along with Poch, I did so in the 'reach for the stars' category. Obviously unlikely.

But there are scenarios playing out that we are not privy to. Let's imagine if actually it is Usmanov who is behind the club, a guy with really serious money and a desire to beat Abramovich and/or a need to launder some cash. Let's imagine Simeone, like many highly driven people, is in the mood for a new challenge. Let's face it, the Spanish league looks to be in real trouble right now and for many the EPL is the serious challenge, as well as still being pretty rich. Someone like Simeone will likely be confident/arrogant enough to believe he can crack the toughest league in the world. Put all that together and the promise of a free hand at Everton, with a new stadium coming, then why is that impossible, albeit highly, highly improbable?

As I said, I'd settle for some proper re-building with a young, hungry manager and recruiting players we add value to. Provided we stay in the EPL, and play some good football along the way, I could live with mid table or even a bit worse.

Dale Self
485 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:32:09
Gerrard did what Lamps should have. Both about the same quality, as in not enough.
Rudy Chinchilla
486 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:32:21
Knowing Everton, we're going to appoint Lampard and it's going to be a disaster.
Mark Howard
487 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:33:37
Carlo... oh no!

My eryebrow has gone into overdrive!

Clive Rogers
488 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:34:48
I think he’s gone because he doesn’t like Kenwright.
Brian Williams
489 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:34:54
I can't get angry like some about Ancelotti doing one. I don't know whether it's down to a general disillusionment or a feeling that 10th playing shit football isn't any good.

Not that we'll ever know for sure but maybe he (Ancelotti) though "Fuck this, this is an impossible job, given the way the club's run", or other things we really don't know about.

As I say, we'll never know... so I'm finding it hard to be angry as I don't really know where my anger should be aimed.

All I hope for is a better season next season.

Rob Halligan
490 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:37:13
Thomas, that's what makes me laugh (though not at the moment as I'm fuming, gutted, gobsmacked at the whole bloody thing), people talk like it's their money we are spending or about to receive in compensation. Sorry, David, not meant as a pop at you.
Gary Willock
491 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:38:13
Gerrard would be a lose:lose.

Does bad and we look like desperate mugs happy to have taken the enemy in hope.

Does well, he does what Ancelotti’s just done to us and takes over from Klopp in 2 years.

Anyone who would want that risk is insane.

Barry Hesketh
492 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:39:03
Wayne's world awaits alongside Duncan and Tim Cahill. If we're going to remain an old boys club we may as well go the whole hog.

We can't keep appointing full squads of backroom staff and then see them disappear when the manager goes. I realise it's the modern way but it seems too disruptive – there's also a former Everton youth player doing well at Chelsea, to whom Tuchel gave special mention after the Champions League triumph. I can't recall his name offhand.

John Charles
493 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:39:59
Thank goodness for that. A mercenary out of his time and out of ideas. He will be okay with Real, I'm sure... but was god awful with us.
Tony Everan
494 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:40:18
Brian, I've got the same take. If we'd broken the Top 6 and were playing scintillating attacking football, I'd be suicidal. As we're in 10th and playing some of the ,worst football in the entire Premier League I'll take the blow on the chin and come back fighting.

A positive is that he has gone now, and not 1 August. Or even retained and sacked mid-season because he'd rather be elsewhere.

The one constant in the club are us loyal fans. We'll carry the club forward no matter who comes or goes.

Mike Gaynes
495 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:40:55
I'll miss your "coward" posts, Ian.
Neil Lawson
496 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:41:22
Empty words, Carlo. How about "I realise that I am not up to the job in hand so I am going to run away and simply abandon the club to whom I have repeatedly expressed my ambition and loyalty."

Good riddance. Hope Real get relegated and hoping we might just be able to prosper and pass forwards without you.

Presumably some of our "stars" will now be looking for "new opportunities" as well. Good riddance as well if that is your view. I would love to see a team of 11 players totally committed to the cause.

Kieran Kinsella
497 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:41:55
Callum Davidson (St Johnstone) and Alan Stubbs (Hibs) achieved much more in Scotland with no money or resources exponentially than "Stevie G." I didn't see any RS fans saying "Lets get Alan S even though he's a Blue because he turned second tier, bankrupt Hibs into cup winners."

Lampard? Gullit and Vialli achieved more at Chelsea, and as for his Derby spell, he did the same as all of his predecessors: fail to get promoted.

Martinez? He took over the world's number one team and so far hasn't won anything. Eddie Howe? Does he have any concept of defending let alone how to wisely spend money.

Rafa? He has the personality of Moyes and tactics that are a cross between Sam and Carlo. All of these lazy suggestions are preposterous.

Daniel A Johnson
498 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:41:56
Gerrard? No way, no way. His ultimate aim is to be manager of the wall pushers. Should we appoint anyone with that ambition?
Tony Shelby
499 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:42:31
Nuno
Brent Stephens
500 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:44:10
Oh well. Carlo goes back to a big club. We go back to being a small club.

Next.

Jack Convery
501 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:44:16
The last time I felt like this was when Howard Kendall announced he was off to Athletic Bilbao. So so gutted.
Danny Baily
502 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:45:12
Gutted. Absolutely gutted. If we can't make it work with the likes of Ancelotti, then we can't make it work at all, at least going down that route.

Go for a hungry, young manager. I'd rather the likes of the Cowleys from Portsmouth than a Moyes.

Jerome Shields
503 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:45:55
Spare a thought for James Rodriguez and his big bed (big mistake). His International career is at a crossroads and now his Everton playing career is at a crossroads.
Jack Convery
504 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:45:57
If only we could pick players like we pick managers.
Ray Roche
505 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:47:39
Mike@495

Don’t worry Mike, Les Miserables will moan and whinge regardless of whichever “coward” is appointed. It’s in his DNA.

Chris James
506 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:47:50
I'd definitely take Moyes if it was an option (certainly compared to names like Nuno, Dyche and Howe).

He's done wonders at a West Ham that have been flirting with relegation for years. He knows the club and is respected here for what he achieved on a shoe string (again he took a side flirting with relegation and made us regular challengers in the top 6-7, he did also notably get us into Europe a couple of times (including a VERY short stay in the CL).

I'd also argue that both he and Everton have evolved in the meantime, so there'd be less 'knife to a gunfight' type chatter this time. We have credible backers and some real quality in the squad - what we need now is someone to hone a spine and a sense of belief, I think he could definitely do that.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

507 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:48:47
Next!

The new manager will tell us a lot about who is genuinely planning and making decisions at the club on the football side, as well as our long-term ambitions and what the club is hoping to achieve.

Of course Moshiri as the man who pays the piper has to sign things off, but it SHOULD be Brands primarily determining the manager and player recruitment which fits in to an overall model of how he wants the entire club to play through all age groups.

If certain mooted names are appointed, it will strongly suggest that Bill Kenwright still has disproportionate influence that he should no longer have on Moshiri's watch.

The better players at the club (and there are some, in spite of what some think) are now unlikely to be persuaded to 'Give us 1-2-3 more years to reach the promised land. We're building something here.'

Carlo Ancelotti has given all as clear a message as could be spelled out: 'You are a professional sports person. Don't be lulled or wooed by romanticism. If a chance comes to improve yourself, to advance your career, take it.'

This is both a setback (we need greater managerial stability), but also an opportunity. It radically changes our summer plans. Five years in, Moshiri needs someone who will stick around.

Barry Hesketh
508 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:48:54
According to reports: Carlo Ancelotti will be earning less than half at Real Madrid than he did at Everton. See Mr Moshiri, money can't buy you, love!

It's a bit of a swine when you pay your manager a king's ransom and he leaves to join another club for half the salary. Everton that!

I wouldn't be surprised if James Rodriquez makes a miraculous recovery and the Colombian coach asks him to join his squad for the upcoming tournament. Everton "Tales of the least expected!"

Ian Edwards
509 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:49:06
Martin 421. I'll still be giving my opinion. Hopefully enjoying attractive, entertaining football. I know you'd miss me.
Terry Downes
510 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:50:15
For fuck's sake, not Moyes talk again. Fucking get over this guy.
Dale Self
511 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:50:41
Per year, Barry?
Conor McCourt
512 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:51:10
Kieran,

Martinez didn't take over the worlds number one team, he made them that. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do with Moshiri's money and I'd fancy he'd get a tune out of the likes of Richarlison, Gomes, Holgate and maybe Bernard.

Also, I see that Poch ain't committing to PSG so I wonder if he really could be tempted. Sarri and Enrique would also be interesting.

Funny thing is we have been asking for a bit of speed, tempo and decisiveness for about 18 months from Carlo. I guess he kept it all for his exit strategy.

Richard Nelson
513 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:51:36
Some on here want Nuno...

Me and my lad call Wolves – Olhau Athletic!

Brian Murray
514 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:51:53
Get yer coat on n get moving, Espirito of the Blues! I like it anyway.

Brands is very quiet at the moment. Probably tying up the loose ends of six incoming transfers.

The cup Merseyside derby was a disgrace and he was a dead man walking after that humiliation.

Colin Glassar
515 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:51:57
I just hope to god that Usmanov comes off the fence, replaces Moshiri, sacks Bill Kenwright and all his cronies and hangers on, appoints Luis Enrique manager and has a massive dump in the Anfield directors box.

Carlo has disappointed me no-end but life, and football, go on. Fuck him.

Alan Brown
516 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:52:31
I am sorry he has gone. But, he has gone and no longer of any relevance to me.

Any player that doesn’t want to be there can go too. I don’t care who they are.

Managers and players come and go. We remain. What matters now is the future. We will all have opinions on who we want and especially who we don’t. They will be important to me as long as they are there. I will still be there when they are not.

Gavin Johnson
517 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:52:44
I can't believe Lampard is being considered by some when we already have Dunc at the club.
Annika Herbert
518 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:53:12
Absolutely no to Moyes! His time has been and gone – no matter what West Ham did this season.

Disappointed to see Ancelotti leave but I can only hope we get it right with the next appointment. Not sure who I would really favour at the moment, I just know I don't want Moyes.

Gordon Crawford
519 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:53:13
Brent,

We are not a small club... but we are run like a small non-league club.

Kevin Molloy
520 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:53:35
So he's prepared to wave goodbye to nearly £20M just so he can get the hell out of Crosby.

What a ghastly unproductive bullshitter.

Daniel A Johnson
521 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:53:50
Yeah, having Don Carlo as manager, we were such a big club: 10th and 12th place finishes, playing abject white flag football... incredible stuff. Even the evil Ginger One did better than that on a shoestring, yet there would be bonfires and pitchforks if he came back.

As for big Don Carlo's player pulling power, we got a Colombian crock and a hardly ever fit Napoli midfielder.

Bye bye, Carlo. I hope you spend the money you earned on a nice Spanish villa or something.

Sean Kelly
522 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:54:14
Fuck off, Carlo you're just another mercenary.

All the above mentioned wanna bees can fuck of too. Slippy G? How can any Evertonian connect him with this club but then Teary Bill will probably write the script, saying he was always a Blue.

I despair with this club. Get Usmanov in and let him hire and fire all around him, including Moshiri, Teary Bill and his cronies.

Barry Hesketh
523 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:54:23
Yes, Dale,

Reportedly Ancelotti will earn €6M per season.

Jerome Shields
525 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:54:50
I think Gerrard would be interesting: He'd fight Big Dunc, call Unsworth a Fat Bastard, give us all the two fingers at Goodison and cause a mob of fans to lynch Kenwright & Co. We might even get to Europe to hunt down Moshiri.
Matt Butlin
526 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:55:41
Well this is a bit of a bugger. I didn't have any faith that his tactics were any good but he could certainly attract ‘the players'. You never know how it will play out but this is a flick to the goolies and no mistake.
Alan Corken
527 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:55:55
Rob H @413.

You don't need to ask his son-in-law why he is leaving, it is obvious: he prefers the sunny skies of Madrid to the endless wet weekends of Merseyside. And, as I know that you are also fond of the sunshine, I was wondering if maybe you had been talking to him and turning his head?

Colin Glassar
529 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:58:11
Jerome 525,

He would definitely be the most hated man on Merseyside if that happened. He might even appoint Carra as his Number 2.

Brian Harrison
530 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:58:11
I have seen a lot of names mentioned but not the manager I would do everything we can to get, Brendan Rodgers. His side plays attractive attacking football, and his team has spent more weeks in the Top 4 than most of the others. Yes, they narrowly missed out but while competing for a Top 4 place he also beat Chelsea to win the FA Cup.

He knows the Premier League inside out, so no need to get up to speed, and he will also know all about our squad, so no lost time getting to know the players.

The hard thing will be to get him to leave Leicester, where he has bought some exciting youngsters, but he might find £11 million a year too hard to resist. And another plus is if he signed for us: he could move straight into the house he owns in Formby which he currently rents to Klopp.

Mike Gaynes
531 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:58:59
Kieran, I don't want Roberto either -- I don't think he's a club manager -- but "hasn't won anything" for Belgium is WAY too harsh. They weren't #1 when he took over. And they got 3rd at the World Cup, barely losing to France and then stomping England. That ain't shabby.
Kieran Kinsella
532 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:59:16
Jack Convery

It reminds me of when Howard Kendall Mk II left. We started that season with 3 straight wins, he seemed to be turning the corner, he said we needed some new signings (Dion Dublin?), results deteriorated and we were loitering around mid-table. Some wanted him gone as yesterday's man, I thought he would turn it around. Then boom, he was gone.

Matthew Williams
533 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:00:24
"Can you replicate that now"?...is the ONLY question Moshiri needs to ask our potential managerial candidates.

Having just shown him our 6-0 demolition of Coventry back in '78...that's MY Blues!.

Jeez...that sixth goal,beautiful, absolutely fucking beautiful.

As for my Man?...sadly not a prayer.

Jimmy Hogan
534 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:00:39
No return of former managers please. Those of us old enough will remember that the return of Kendall was a mistake and the second return was just pitiful.
Kim Vivian
535 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:00:42
I am not one of the Moyes bashers – I enjoyed watching his teams most of the time> I'm not advocating his return, but of all the (realistic) names being banded about, he's the one who would at least get the three-toed sloths which make up two thirds of our squad running again.
John Cook
536 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:02:56
Everton must be the biggest mugs in the history of the game.

Did Real Madrid come in for Klopp? No. Did they come in for Tuchel? No. Where the courting Pep? No. They went for Everton's manager because we are a fuckin' soft touch.

Rooney, Lukaku, Kendall to Spain Alan Ball, John Stones... the list goes on. When is this club gonna grow a pair and say "enough is enough"?

Over 50 fuckin' years I've been supporting these pricks and everytime we looked like getting a decent team, manager or player, the fuckin' rug is pulled from under us.

A very very frustrated Blue at the moment.

Iakovos Iasonidis
537 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:03:16
The worst thing is, whoever comes will want to evaluate the team and, by the time he realizes most of the players are shit, the transfer period will be almost gone.
Jay Harris
538 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:03:34
Mike G #495,

Don't worry – he will have the knives out for the next manager too.

It is easy to criticize. It is much harder to propose positive solutions.

Steve Croston
539 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:03:43
Can we just stop mentioning Gerrard like it's ever going to happen. Lampard too.
Daniel A Johnson
540 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:03:49
Next manager – Skybet odds as an indication:

Nuno Espirito Santo
11/8
Eddie Howe
5/2
David Moyes
10/1
Rafa Benitez
10/1
Graham Potter
12/1
Roberto Martinez
12/1
Antonio Conte
14/1
Duncan Ferguson
14/1
Frank Lampard
16/1
Paulo Fonseca
16/1

Robert Tressell
541 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:03:55
The trouble is, we are a 10th placed team with a ropey squad and a limited budget. Very few managers of calibre will be interested. I'd include Moyes in that just about. He's on a cushy number at WHU and being paid well. Why take 4 steps down the league to rebuild Everton?

And the point of it all is the state of our squad and budget. We are not Chelsea when Tuchel arrived, brimming with talent but underperforming. We are really average with no attacking options at all. And we don't have a proper budget to rebuild either. We're constantly papering over the cracks of a crap badly assembled squad. That's been the real achilles heel, not the managers we keep losing.

I dread to think what Godfrey, Digne, Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin are now thinking. But they must be wondering whether they are at the right club.

Barry Hesketh
542 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:04:08
You're right Kim and all of the talented boys (not that many) running for the exit doors. I honestly think it would be a mistake for Everton and Moyes to reunite, rarely works out second time around.
Jack Convery
544 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:04:32
If Gerrard coming leads to a lynching of Kenwright and Co, it might be worth it!!!
Paul A Smith
545 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:04:38
Why do people obsess with Duncan Fergusons role?

Firstly he was just a coach for most of these sacked managers. Secondly he coached the team for 3 games and done a fine job.

Is it too risky to say he might be good at what he does? Are we sacking the physio aswell?

It's anyones guess how much input Ferguson had in the team but I doubt he got his full ideas in place?

It all depends on what cv you want in terms of manager and maybe it is too big a job to take on at first but where does the negative impression of him come from?

It seems purely invented on assumption to me.

Kieran Kinsella
546 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:05:01
Conor @512,

Your last sentence cracked me up.

Mike

His nations league campaign ended with a 5-2 loss to Switzerland also. Okay, that competition is just a step up from the MLS cup but I still feel he could've done better.

Ciarán McGlone
547 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:05:07
Good grief... this man's team formations were unpredictable, but I didnt expect this. This isn't great.

Ancelottis major influence here was to attract players... get us to a next level, so to speak... I can't see Eddie Howe attracting the likes of Rodriguez.

Richard Nelson
548 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:05:41
C'mon Atletico...!
Will Mabon
549 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:05:51
"It’s increasingly difficult to give a monkey’s about any of the whole corrupt circus."

The Machine, and its effects, are everywhere. Even one's hobbies and escapes from it, are all now in the mix. Nowhere off limits. No peace. The gradual managed decline to Future World. Buckle up...

Jerome Shields
550 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:06:24
Moshiri is going to have to come up with another big name Manager. That was his plan so now he has to continue. At least he has Ancelotti's compensation package coming.
Henrik Lyngsie
551 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:06:53
Dear Matthew @533,

I am afraid that I will have to correct you. Everton - Coventry 6-0 was in November 1977. The day I became an Everton fan.

What a fantastic match.

Kieran Kinsella
552 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:07:54
Henrik

So you decided the only way was up?

Daniel A Johnson
553 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:08:48
Don Carlo probably had a clause in his contract that, if a Champions League club came in for him, he could walk.

Only EFC could sign a manager on 4½-year contract on £9M a year and get fuck all compo. Everton that.

Kieran Kinsella
554 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:09:22
Carlo's departure is just a smokescreen to distract us from Con Ouzounidis leaving.
Barry Rathbone
555 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:09:35
The trick is to judge on what you see not the name, CV or history.

I feel little angst over this because the actual evidence hardly ever matched the hype and Carlo looking out for an escape route became increasingly likely. The puzzle is why so many continued to ignore the evidence of their own eyes continuing to wallow in the "Magnifico" fable.

The next incumbent should be judged on what he does – not what has happened under different circumstances nor where he arrives from.

James Marshall
556 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:12:16
I mean, to be fair, if Madrid want you, that's got to be more appealing than our shit-show, hasn't it?

I'd have gone as well, I reckon. Nice & sunny too. If anyone in Madrid fancies offering me a job, I'm all ears. Will dance for sapphires.

John Kavanagh
557 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:13:12
I'm pleased that Carlo has gone - and that he'll be taking his boy with him who never convinced me he was a decent coach. And if Carlo takes James and Allan, then so be it.

I'm more worried about what we're left with. Do any of us believe that any savvy manager would want the Everton job with the likes of Iwobi on the books?

The bigger worry is that other clubs will come in for Calvert-Lewin, Digne and Godfrey and leave us with the relegation fodder of Iwobi, Sigurdsson, Delph and Gomes.

Brands will need to really earn his keep in the coming weeks. I just hope that Blue Bill is kept well away from any negotiations. His continuing influence at the club is shocking and a huge worry. Moshiri must be one of the most gullible people on the planet.

Derek Moore
558 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:13:38
Incredible. Absolutely in-fucken-credible.

The fucker isn't even Spanish.

What a repudiation of the Everton organization as a whole this serves as. More uncertainty, disorder and a now confirmed lack of progress. What the fuck the next manager will do with the likes of Doucouré and Allan would be anyone's guess.

Just another kick in the balls as an Evertonian. I really can't wait to see what happens next!

We really ought to have hired Bielsa. Unbelievable.

Jack Convery
559 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:13:39
I can see a Gary Larsson cartoon....

Carlo Ancelotti hesitated as he waited to sign his contract for Real Madrid. "Do I really want to do this?" he thought. "After all, Everton have Iwobi, Delph, Gomes, King and Bernard. Then again, Real Madrid have Modric, Benzema, Alaba, Kroos, Isco - oh what am I thinking? Give me the fucken pen!"

Mike Gaynes
561 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:14:41
Robert #541, spot on.

Kieran #554, either way, we've been Conned.

Daniel A. #540, thanks for posting that list. Interesting that Nuno is the favorite even with all the reports about him agreeing to terms with Palace. Remember, however, that Skybet isn't posting odds based on what they actually expect to happen, but with the purpose of attracting bets.

Martinez would be a 1000-1 shot in my opinion to leave the world's #1 team. And a million-to-one to be offered the job.

Peter Hopkins
562 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:16:34
I'm gutted, absolutely gutted... and I don't know why? The football we played was dire, his signings crocks, and the second half of the season was shocking. But I'm still gutted.

Carlo Ancelotti was our manager and I was proud of that and was keen to see who we brought in in the summer, but now it's up in the air.

We need to go after a big name: Simione, Conte, someone to stop us being a laughing stock!!

Gavin Johnson
563 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:16:39
I think we should aim high and go for Poch or Conte. If not, just appoint Dunc. I don't want Eddie Howe. I wouldn't mind Nuno, but it's a no to Howe, Moyes and Lampard from me.
Dave Cooney
564 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:16:52
Kind of feel now how Stan felt when Eminem never answered his letters.

I genuinely worry for Moshiri in his meeting tonight:

Kenwright: "We'll it's obviously ‘Davey Moyes, Davey Moyes, Davey Davey Moyes, he's got grey hair.'

Voice of doom Kevin Ratcliffe pipes up: "It's a shit show, Mr Moshiri, but I've been talking to Colin, and I know he's cracking on a bit but I fully believe... me and him."

Duncan grabs him by the throat and the only decipherable words heard are "Snidey bastard!"

Moshiri's phone goes and 5 seconds later he says "We can get Oleg Blokhin, it's him." Brands behind him massaging his shoulders whispers in his ear "Wonderful choice, Mr Moshiri."

To be fair, I just want someone who will play attacking football and not ruin the majority of my weekends.

Paul Hewitt
565 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:18:26
Give it to Duncan, end of. Let's see the players take the piss out of him. He'd nail them to the dressing room wall.
Bill Fairfield
566 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:18:36
Real a nice cushy job, be mad not to take it. Just proves that for this challenge he wasn't up to the job.
Brent Stephens
567 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:19:27
Robert #541,

Sadly, I'm afraid I agree with that.

And now those who wanted Carlo gone can put their head on the block and say who they would want. Perhaps. Perhaps not.

Barry Hesketh
568 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:19:30
Real Madrid, Juventus and Barcelona are all set to be BANNED from the Champions League this week. (Source: La Reppublica)

Perhaps this is the reason that Real Madrid moved so quickly, as they are currently a Champions League club and Carlo may have had a get-out-clause that meant Everton had to release him from his contract, whereas, if La Reppublica is correct, by the end of the week Madrid won't be a Champions League club. Not that it matters.

Jerome Shields
569 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:20:27
Conte is the only manager available who is comparable with Ancelotti. Moshiri might try Bielsa though.

The Ancelotti compensation package might enable a backroom clean out.

Tony Twist
570 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:20:46
For someone who had so much experience, he certainly had plenty of howlers. I liked the idea of having a Carlo, world renowned... but, at the end of the day, he was Mr Average for getting the best out of players.

I am not worried he has gone – just terrified regarding who will replace him. Oh for a manager who knows what he is doing.

Martin Berry
571 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:20:56
I feel for the Chairman, Board, Directors and fans, they and we have been treated so badly by this man. Carlo's musings that he was here for the long haul and loving project were untrue, the first big club offer comes along and he's off. Farhad wont be sending him a Christmas card he must be very disappointed with the whole thing.

It will be interesting to see what Marcel serves up having a "clear plan" as to what the club wanted transfer wise after discussions with Carlo. This managerial move could have serious implications for team building as the new bloke will have to make his own assessments, its always fraught being an Evertonian

I hope we appoint a younger Manager with high energy and work ethics, someone who is going to build his career here. Please no ex-footballer who has been over promoted and without having the real experience of managing.

Brent Stephens
572 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:21:29
And summer player signings are now going to be thin in quality?
Darren Hind
573 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:21:50
Post 62, 128,131,200,222, 303

I'm sorry that you guys are feeling this clear sense of betrayal... but don't take it out on me.

I wrote an article on the eve of Carlo's appointment. I stated very clearly that I didn't think he was the right man and would not gain success without the top class players he is accustomed to be surrounded by. A forgone conclusion, I called it.

Does that make me right? Fuck no. He has been worse than I could ever have imagined.

Despite all the flack, most people gradually realised he could not get a tune out of this squad and began to come around to that thought. They began to blame the players for all of his short comings. Carlo could do no wrong.

Reading this thread, I suspect even Carlo's most loyal of acolytes are slightly relieved. It was becoming increasingly difficult to excuse and defend him. He has been a complete shambles.

Before we all get carried away talking about the next manager having to get Top 4 to escape crticism. let's give it a little thought. Whoever the poor fucker is, he will be inheriting the total shit-show Carlo leaves behind.

All the next manager has to do to improve on Carlo Fantastico is to finish in the Top 9 and play a bit of footy.

Carlo will be more suited to Real Madrid. He won't need to depend on his legendary pulling power, because the club already have it and will provide the Galacticos. He can then resume dining with a silver spoon in his mouth.

I won't play the idiotic game of naming the next manager. The usual suspects are already lining up to kick the hypothetical arse out of this imaginary contender. Let's find out who is actually in the running first before we have that debate.

Whoever the next manager is, I wish him well with all my heart, but I will not be happy-clapping anybody before he has given me good cause to. I've seen too much of it.

Maybe those who told us we were lucky to have Carlo will learn a little something too. Maybe they will wait for the next manager to actually achieve something before they commence with the Coronation.

I love Everton, and I only love managers when they can stand on the front of the open-top bus waving a trophy.

Let him go. Farewell.

Trevor Peers
574 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:22:28
I'm not even bothered about Carlo's cowardly and rapid exit. After his shameful defensive tactics at home last season, we should all be relieved it's over and he's gone. There no way I fancied a repeat of that next season.

The real question now will be: Who will our hapless owner Moshiri choose next? Nobody will have a clue.

Surely logic dictates that, after 3 awful choices so far (Koeman, Silva, and Ancelotti), he is due to pick a decent manager, hopefully suited to our style and expectations. I wouldn't bank on it though.

David Pearl
575 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:22:54
Rob, and Thomas... seriously. What's the compo going to be? Am l imagining things or did 'we' not pay Watford months on for getting Silva when he was unattached? Or do they get Carlo for free because they gave us James?

He had a contract. It's down to Evertonians to boo him and drive him out, not for another club to just claim him. Cheeky bastards. I think the job was beyond him anyway.

Fingers crossed for Nuno. Although he copied my beard, he worked wonders for Wolves.

Billy Bradshaw
576 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:23:41
Jumped before he was pushed, we will never know.
Daniel A Johnson
577 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:23:48
One thing's for certain: we genuinely need our next manager to be a 4- or 5-year appointment with some longevity.

We need to build and chopping the manager every 1½ years is killing us.

Was Ancelotti ever really an Everton manager? The whole thing always felt odd to me... very odd. Moshiri had his Hollywood manager which he baited with a massive salary but I'm now for long-term pragmatism with a slow rebuild.

Who we should get, I don't know... I just hope it's not another false Hollywood uncomfortable fit appointment like Don Carlo – who always had one eyebrow on the exit.

Jerome Shields
578 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:23:54
If there is no compensation package, Mishiri is a lulu.
Jim Bennings
579 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:24:20
Saddened really, saddened that we have lost a manager that had a great pedigree but also slightly hurt by the fact that Carlo had his head turned as soon as a bit of skirt went past and one that had given him the elbow not long ago.

I think he'd clearly realised that he was out of his comfort zone managing such absolute dross.

I have always had my doubts if the job was just never really for him, if you can't supply him with world class talent then he's not a manager that can build a squad from nothing or turn water into wine.

I still didn't see this coming, mind you, it's all happening so fast it's hard to take in.

The last manager who I genuinely think was hurt to leave Everton was Roberto Martinez, maybe we should have just backed him with the millions we pissed on Koeman.


Dale Self
580 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:24:49
Nice of those to let the rest of us know that we would miss them or that they are the target of some misplaced enmity intended for Carlo. A very modest offering, quite comforting. Let's stay focused on the club for the moment.
Julian Exshaw
581 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:26:46
I like Ancelotti but I'd be lying if I said I'm devastated to see him go. I always hoped his reputation and record at previous clubs would manifest itself sooner or later in improved performances for us but it just didn't happen.

The question of whether he would have accomplished the kind of progress we are looking for in two or three years will never be answered now. Let's be honest, our football in the last few months was at times shocking.

The question of who should take over is now paramount. Let the board take their time and get it right.

What worries me most of all is the feeling that we have to start again now. New manager, new style and please God new players. This is going to take more time, more patience. Have we any left?

John Keating
582 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:26:50
Well, joking apart, unlike some, I will support anyone named as Everton manager up until I think their sell-by date is gone.
Brent Stephens
583 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:27:05
Carlo has said "I have been presented with an unexpected opportunity which I believe is the right move for me and my family at this time".

His recent experience of that break-in at home has very possibly upset his daughter so much (who disturbed the burglars) and (therefore) Carlo and wife as well, that this is a contributory factor if not the major factor.

Pete Jeffries
584 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:28:28
Expect the new manager to appear from football's global database. The one for rich business owners, managers, players and most of all their agents

These people run, and often, ruin our game.

Little or no chance for up-and-coming talents, too risky for most Premier League clubs no matter how good they might be.

Expect another from the same old merry-go-round

Len Hawkins
585 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:28:56
There are a better class of burglar in Madrid, they don't mess the house up like our kind. I heard that the scrote who broke into Carlo's shit in a big pan of beef Bolognese that was on a low light for after the match and his Mrs had to throw half of it away.
Robert Tressell
586 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:29:17
Kieran #554. Good post. Really good post, in fact.
Colin Glassar
587 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:29:31
Conte? No thank you very much. Conte would fight with everyone and piss off even the tea lady. The man is a mental case, a dangerous lunatic. He'd strangle Kenwright if he came out with his boring, “I lost my virginity in the boys pen” tales.

He'd scare the crap out of the accountant and he'd have Dame Edna over the boardroom table quicker than you can say Pinocchio. On second thoughts...

Daniel A Johnson
588 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:30:08
Chelsea can afford to get in a different manger to see if they can get a tune out of a world class squad worth billions every two years.

We have an ageing squad devoid of any real quality and every 1½ years we reset all the time. It keeps holding us back and eventually it will catch up with us and prove costly. If there is any big club in danger of falling out of the Premier League, it's Everton FC.

Stephen Brown
589 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:32:16
I was hoping to have a few weeks off twitter and ToffeeWeb due to the end of season shit!

In reality, I can't blame Carlo one bit. Personally, I was hoping for him to be a big success but the end-of-season pathetic collapse had me worried about another costly sacking?!

I think our ability to attract star quality players has reduced but not sure if that's a bad thing?!

The ex Wolves man Nuno for me!!

It's shite being an Evertonian!

Pablo Brown
590 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:32:30
I'll be honest with you: I'm not that bothered. I thought the 2nd half of the season we were awful. We got annihilated by Man City who were beaten by Brighton the week before. We got beat by Sheff Utd, Fulham, Villa. Our home form was atrocious.

I don't believe there's any connection between Howe's move to Celtic falling through. Reading between the lines, it sounds like our board has had this sprung on them recently.

Derek Taylor
591 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:33:30
You've got it in one, Barry. It seems the Everton Board were more than anxious to split with Carlo to avoid what had already become clear -that a parting of the ways was likely to become necessary 'ere long. And would have cost massive severance pay.

I read they are meeting tonight to launch the replacement exercise which, I suspect, will charge Chairman Bill with the lead role of the appointment process. No doubt the sounding out of David Moyes will be his first action and it will go downhill from there. Neil Young, anybody? He won more FA Cup games than Carlo did last season!

Paul Niklas
592 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:34:11
Seriously speaking, the guy has proven you can't polish a turd at Everton. In fact, he kept polishing and took all the fucking shine off it also. Never the right man.

We need a fighter, a fucking war horse at this club, starting with getting rid of every single backroom staff and coach who has been here for more than 2 years. I include the CEO of this club also who is pointless in the structure of the club.

Secondly, why stay at Everton with a shit team living in a miserable country like England and where they rob your fucking house while your in. I seriously am happy he's gone... but so is he!

Billy Dawber
593 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:34:44
Thanks for the memories, not.

Useless in my book.

Good riddance.

Steve Lew
594 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:34:57
Let's be honest: we played some of the worst football I've seen since the late 70s... Cushions, anyone? But we beat Leicester, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea – Champions of Europe, Arsenal etc...

But the season will be remembered for the fuckin' awful football served up at Goodison Park. So not a shock for me. Those big names that may have been coming now won't. And goodbye to James.

Managers and players come and go... me, I'm still here and always will be. So we start again... and we still have a load of shite to get rid of.

Jim Bennings
595 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:35:29
Brent 583

Fair point I suppose!

Shame the law never catch or do anything to stop these little scrotes burgling houses of football managers/players.

Mark Ryan
596 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:37:04
A manager, like many others who has been exposed when faced with trying to turn an Allegro into an Aston Martin. If he'd been given £200 million for players he'd have turned us round in 3 years. It was always going to fail. Put Pep in charge now and he'd do no better than Carlo. Not Carlos fault. I think he expected more monies to play with. Let's get a sensible managerial appointment who can coach hardworking players. Come on Moshiri, sort this mess out. Not an Allegri, not a Zidane, a sensible hardworking long term appointment. It's time to get sensible
Soren Moyer
597 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:37:29
I think Conte would be a decent choice but the question is: Would he mind if his house gets burglarized lol?

Also, agree with Colin G. Where is the live forum?

Tony Twist
598 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:37:37
Conte as next manager. We could do with a crazy m*therf*cker to shake this club out of its slumber. Good pedigree also.
Rob Halligan
599 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:39:45
Alan # 527. Long time no speak. How ya doing, any chance of you re-joining our little group?

Regards Madrid, me and the missus spent a few nights there a few years back, and honestly, we weren’t impressed with the place at all. Didn’t find the people particularly friendly and was just like any other capital city in the world, grim and a bloody rip off place. Preferred Barcelona. Definitely a city we won’t be returning too.

John Cartwright
600 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:39:58
Opinions on who should be our next manager seem to be very divided here. Would it be possible to organise a ToffeeWeb poll, listing the names of likely candidates. A clear "winner" might consolidate our ideas. For what it's worth, if we can't tempt (hopefully we can) the likes of Conte, then I'd consider the unmentionable former RS player, or Lampard
Dale Self
601 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:39:59
If you're looking for pedigree Colin is right, Luis Enrique would be preferred. I'm trying to get the logic of adding more instability and reactivity to the rebuilding process.
Marc Hints
602 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:40:14
I really don't think this is a loss at all, it was dire negative football. They need someone young, ambitious who will take the club forward. I've read a few articles from players and other coaches saying Graham Potter is a very good coach, plays good football, but importantly has an excellent rapport with his players and staff.
Derek Knox
603 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:40:40
Kieran @ 554, you mean yet another Con ? :-)
Bill Watson
604 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:41:28
Like most I was thrilled when Ancelotti was appointed and his name could attract players like James and Allan. At last we had a world class manager but the last 6 months have been a total disappointment and not just the appalling home form but the style of play, too.

Some of his selections have been strange, to say the least, and his substitutions were usually like for like and far too late.

After blooding Gordon he seemed to have lost interest in the younger players and often had two 'keepers on the bench. Since December I can't recall a game where we were comfortable and I could have nipped into the kitchen for a cuppa.

The next 12 months would have been crucial both in recruitment and the style of play. Another season like the last one and I think he'd have been sacked anyway.

I have no idea who I'd fancy for the job but the likes of Gerrard, Lampard and Howe have, hopefully, no chance. We need a proven manager who is prepared to deal with some of the dross we currently have on the books and who will, at least, give some of the younger players a few minutes.

Matthew Williams
605 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:42:42
Carlo Ancelotti...the luckiest man in football.

Good riddance.

Sean Kelly
606 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:45:42
I’d have pep he’s a nearly man in Europe lately. Just when it was announced I got a call from a UK number. I thought they were desperate and calling me. I wouldn’t have done any worse than the last few managers.
Jim Bennings
607 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:45:46
Marc 602

How long patience wise do you seriously think Graham Potter would get from Everton fans though?

I personally guarantee you that it would be Marco Silva written all over it again, defensive disorganized and fans using these players fragility as a stick to beat Potter with.

Personally it's a poisoned chalice the Everton job now.

Soren Moyer
608 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:46:28
At least he left us with a game in hand 😂.

On another note, according to some news outlets, Bielsa's contract ending in June! Another fine candidate maybe!!? Barring his age.

David Currie
609 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:47:36
We are losing a manager that in 18 months finished 12th and 10th playing awful negative football.
The next manager we get will believe that he can do better than 10th and also have us playing on the front foot especially at home.
James O'Connell
610 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:48:28
This club is just the equivalent of a skateboarding otter, pure novelty value no one takes it seriously anymore. Some of the managers names banded around are pure fantasy, it will just be some B grade domestic to manage our woeful squad of underachievers.
David Pearl
611 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:49:14
Rob, unless its with the blues in erm Europe.

Carlo backstabio Carlo he leavo, first opertuno, take the de niro, madrid is calling we are in moarrrrrning, no understannnndo, sort that eyebrow out.

Sean Kelly
612 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:50:28
The upside to this is his dog won’t be shittin on the north Wales beaches
Marc Hints
613 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:52:08
Jim @607

Yes maybe your right, lovely football but again defensive nightmare.

Whoever takes over, whether it be Potter or a top end manager, this job is not an easy fix with this group of players, I can imagine that a lot depends on what Mishori says they have to spend

Paul Tran
614 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:54:09
I was going to write a review of the season and talk about how indifferent I felt about Ancelotti.

We were dreadful to watch last season. Dreadful. I'd have put up with it as a means to an end if we'd got into Europe, then bought better players, but we faded badly.

He didn't trust half the squad and didn't trust his own ability to get more out of them, so he kept it tight, nicked one and then didn't even do that.

So for me this is an opportunity to reset, with plenty of time to set things up for the season.

I'd like to be entertained, excited, off my seat. Pace, purpose and a genuine desire to win.

It's only a disaster if you wipe last season from your memory.

I felt lucky with Catterick, Kendall & Royle because they won things. That's when I'll next feel lucky.

Dale Self
615 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:54:28
Carlo gets tapped up and takes the offer and Everton are to blame just because of the small club mentality attributed to them by fans who think small?
Neville Wellings
616 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:55:09
Nuno must be a shoe in and be good for Pickford. Wouldn't have minded Bielsa, with a nickname The Madman ie. 'El Loco' he'd fit the the bill for Everton. Why he watches half the game looking like he's having a dump behind a hedge though might be misinterpreted.
Robert Tressell
617 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:55:55
Scenario 1: we appoint Conte, lauding a real coup for the club and continuing our tradition of much decorated Italians. We sign Ashley Young as RWB and get Aaron Ramsey on loan. We finish 8th. Ian Edwards decries the worst football he's ever seen. Colin Glassar blames Iwobi.

Scenario 2: we appoint Benitez, lauding a real coup and continuing our recent tradition of shit talking spaniards. We sign Pedro from Roma and JonJo Shelvey. We finish 8th. Ian Edwards decries the worst football he's ever seen. Etc.

Scenario 3: we appoint Nuno Santos, lauding a real coup because he got Wolves into Europe. We sign 2 dozen Portuguese players registered with Mino Raiola and play sparkling football and finish 8th. Ian Edwards says he wants winning football not the new Kevin Keegan. Colin is relieved to see Iwobi sidelined due to the arrival of no less than 7 portuguese wingers.

I'll stop now.

Mike Hughes
618 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:56:12
Not that fussed that CA’s gone.
Don’t like any of the candidates mentioned so far.

But I’ll put my tin hat on and throw a name in which I personally think might do well here given the circumstances. A bit left field. But he built a team that brought success and takes no shit and has a bit of fire in his belly.
Nigel Pearson.

(If I get lots of crap for mentioning him then I’ll blame the heat!!! But there are worse candidates in the running than him. No star names, ex-blues or RS or relegated managers).

I don’t know what the manager’s brief will be but EFC feels like a salvage operation at present.

Ian Edwards
619 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:58:32
617. Very good Robert. I am a perfectionist.
Rob Halligan
620 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:59:46
Nuno seems to be getting plenty of voters on board, with some bookies even making him favourite for the job. Just one thing I’d like to know though, why did he leave Wolves, had he had enough and got fed up, and more importantly, would he do the same to us? Not exactly my first choice, but if he could get Raul Jiminez and maybe Neves to come to us, then maybe I’d give him a chance.
Stephen Flack
621 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:00:12
He has let us all down. Shame we can’t throw him in the Mersey.
Jay Harris
622 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:01:20
Strange timing in that immediately after the Everton recruitment meeting the Real Madrid opportunity came alive.

We could all speculate on the reasons but if you had to deal with Brands, Moshiri and Kenwright all with different opinions wouldnt you jump at the chance of managing Real Madrid.

Nuno for me is a portugese Moyes. He will have us consistently around 7th but will not break into the top 4 although bringing Neto and Jiminez to us would be attarctive.

Moyes has committed his future to West Ham but that means nothing in modern day football and if they go for Eddie Howe I see the championship beckoning.

Ashley Roberts
623 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:01:33
Every manager has a price, how otherwise did Ancelotti end up at Everton? It had nothing to do with his 12M wages but he came for the love of the club!!! I am sure Conte would equally be interested in that sort of money. Give it a punt to find out as I agree he would shake the place up and that is what we need right now. Give him 100M to spend get rid of the dead wood and let’s start again. We need some continuity but in reality, Ancelotti promised a lot but did not really deliver. If not Conte then, Nuno is the pick of the rest at the moment.
Dale Self
624 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:02:12
The Bielsa squat is unnerving but when you engage it fully it is entrancing. Dude is locked in and that cannot be debatable. If we could get our choice of Bielsa or Nuno I think that would be the end of the small club tag.

And Rob, let me speculate that the Carlo move was out there by the time Nuno announced his departure. Never heard the details but others have noted that a family preference drove the announcement at the time. Things change quickly in England.

Dave Williams
625 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:02:14
Bloody hell- 600 posts to wade through- cancel the TV this evening.
I so wanted him to succeed but was not convinced by him. Defensive, no energy, no passion in the team. We are not ready for this type of manager. Brands quite rightly wants to build a team based on youth whilst Carlo is used to buying experienced players. We can’t afford to finance that and risked losing the bright young stars like Nkounkou,Small,Onyango and Sims to name just a few who must already be fed up at so many appearances on the bench but no real time on the pitch.
We need to revert to the Brands formula sprinkled with a few class experienced players and get a manager to inject passion and energy into the team.
Who that will be I don’t know but I suspect this has been going on for a good few days now and I wonder if that is why Howe turned down Celtic?
Robert Tressell
626 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:02:58
And so you should be Ian. 👍
Paul Hewitt
627 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:03:04
For anyone calling Carlo for going. It's Real Madrid, one of the biggest club's in the world.And he's only getting paid half what he's was getting with us.
Phillip Warrington
628 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:04:03
Everton in a nut shell. So much hope followed by reality. We are a club waiting to be relegated not a club looking to win the Premier League.
Kieran Kinsella
629 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:04:16
Rob 620

I read a few weeks ago that Nuno leaving was based on "mutual consent" with the club feeling he had run his course, and he agreeing to leave. I've since read other papers indicating he initiated the departure so who knows?

John Boswell
630 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:05:29
There is a case to make for Sean Dyche of Burnley. He knows the Premier league, he can get a tune out of a modest group of players and he will not be poached by the likes of Real Madrid in 18 months. He would provide stability at a time of turmoil and I believe he has Beaten both Liverpool teams this season and is starting to make a habit of leaving Goodison with maximum points, 2 wins in last 3 visits!
By no means everyone 's Cup of tea but he is under 50 years old and would provided some stability for the club.
I would love to get Tim Cahill in to work with Dyche and be developed for the future. COYB.
Robert Miller
631 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:06:24
What other Premier league club has gotten a billionaire owner only to go backwards every year for several years.

Apart from the new stadium plan, and lets face it theres still plenty of time for that to go pear shaped, the whole project seems to be almost comically led and executed.

We're rapidly becoming the laughing stocks of the league and i'm increasingly worried that its going to end badly.

Dale Self
632 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:06:40
and probably an invitation to do Florentino's PR work with some future icing on that cake. Perhaps his entry into RM's mgt, wouldn't take that 6m figure on its face.
Frank Crewe
633 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:06:54
If we want a replacement that will stay with us for the long term we can't go for anyone who like Carlo Stabbedusinthebackico is just marking time until one of the European super clubs decides they need a new guy at the helm and off they go. Whether we like it or not the last long term decent manager we had was Moyes. Since he left we have struggled. Our best season was the first under Martinez when we finished 5th. After that it's been nothing but mid-table and I count any finish that doesn't get us into Europe or relegated as mid-table. The club has achieved nothing and its cost 100's of millions to do it. Eight years of total failure.
Alan Corken
634 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:07:45
Rob #599: Yeah I'll be back at some stage as soon as I get the memories of this awful season out of my mind.
On the games since Xmas, it was clear by his attitude pitch side that Carlo had lost interest in Everton, as had the players and we as fans we had lost belief. For that reason I'm glad he is gone, but i'm not optimistic about the future. It just isn't possible to have all these managerial changes and hope that things will somehow work out, they won't! I personally would favour Moyes as the next manager with Dunc as his assistant, that would give us some sort of continuity, as well as a pairing that have a history with the club that can be built on. Mind you, if it is Moyes, before he is accepted, the Cunt will have to get down on his knees before Gwadlys Street and apologise for his 'moving to something better' comment.
David Pearl
635 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:08:20
Dave 625, not short of upcomming left backs are we
Rob Dolby
636 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:08:59
Mike 618. You been on the pop.

Ian 619. I look forward to your posts now knowing the subject matter will be different hopefully.

Whoever the new manager is will probably take a season to realise what we all already know about the squad then given 6 months to turn it around before being sacked.

Oliver Molloy
637 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:09:19
This Gerard shit better be nothing more than a rumour, if he ends up at Everton i'm fucking done, I fucking detest him.
Mick O'Malley
638 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:09:21
John Boswell, I reckon he’d be worth a punt, he only signed one player last year Dale Stevens for a million, he might be more expansive with better players and a bigger budget, one things for sure he’d make sure that every player left everything on the pitch
Peter Neilson
639 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:09:46
Rob (620) despite how much of it was reported Wolves sacked Nuno rather than him resigning. They said they want to go in a different direction whatever that means.
Lovely from Barcelona today re. Ronald “we’ve started a period of reflection and we are evaluating”. Doesn’t sound too promising.
Chris Leyland
640 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:11:09
I’m totally ambivalent about this. I was excited when he came but I’ve been underwhelmed by his tenure. Pedestrian, plodding l, passionless ponderous play for the vast majority of games.
Was he really the man to turn us round - I suspect not. He didn’t have the drive, motivation or skill set to do so - and deep down, he knew it too so he took the easy way out. The king is dead, long live the king...whoever he may be.
Bill Hawker
641 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:12:15
Take the money we received to buyout his contract and use it to buyout Bielsa's contract at Leeds United.
Dave Williams
642 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:12:53
David #635 we have two potentially very good players there and they won’t hang around if the manager won’t give them a chance.
The more I think of what has happened the better I feel. The two goalie subs or failure to name a full bench was a disgrace as was the refusal to give King a chance and I can’t help but feel that we have saved ourselves a shedload of compo here.
Pete Sexton
643 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:14:24
Great news the ice cream man has gone. Carlo’s football was dire to watch no passion or coaching from the bench, he would not of lasted to Christmas so we have saved millions on his pay out. He (and the players) got away with it with no fans in the stadium the booing would have been deafening. Team selections were appalling- Iwobi Holgate starting regularly Delph on from the bench! No opportunities for Youth, 2 keepers on the bench regularly! King never started! Defensive set ups against lower opposition at home - and still lost. He even said we had a good season- we finished 10th.He was no better than the previous 4 full time managers, possibly worse, I will now renew my season ticket, been there since 1964 so I have seen the good the bad and the ugly.
Plenty of good managers will be available we need someone to shake up the players and demand a winning mentality. Duncan/Cahill food for thought.
Crosby beach now free from a meandering docile old man walking a dog.
Gavin Johnson
644 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:14:27
Rob #620 One of my mates supports Wolves and he was very sad to see Nuno leave, as are most Wolves fans. The majority realise that he has been unlucky with injuries and lack of squad depth to cope. The only drawbacks from what I can see are whether the squad depth was from his own making.

Apparently he likes strong team togetherness and a smaller pool of players to pick from. My mate said the football has been negative at times but he did say that had a lot to do with the aforementioned injuries and squad depth this season but he believes that could change with different players.

Apparently he's a really ethical guy too and gave away his own wages, donating to local food banks during lockdown. This might give some indication as to why he chose to walk away from the job. Maybe he honestly felt he'd taken Wolves as far as he could.

I think Howe has the greater potential but he's also the biggest risk. I can't help thinking he's another relegated Martinez clone who can set a team up to play nice football but has absolutely no idea if the other team sits back.

I think the realistic choice is between Nuno and Dunc but I'd love us to bring in another high profile manager, albeit younger like Conte, or Poch.

Derek Taylor
645 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:15:45
Conte? Allegedly an angry b-----d. No thanks, the present band of Brands' band are too sensitive for his 'hard love.'

Chairman Bill's influence means Moyes must be seen as favourite but Nuno's recent joyful exit from Wolves tells me he's got something lined up !

Peter Gorman
646 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:16:48
Bit of a surprise this but, frankly, I couldn't care less.

Awful football. Let's do better.

Geoff Lambert
647 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:17:29
Moyes FFS will this nightmare ever end. Robberto's football in attack and fat Sam in defence then??
Rob Halligan
648 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:20:23
Cheers Gavin. As I said, if he can get Jiminez and Neves, and of course Neto to make the move, then maybe I will back him, because at the moment I don’t feel like backing any manager anymore. A real stab in the back today has been. Like you though, I’d favour Conte or Poch
Kevin Molloy
649 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:21:33
if you were a conspiracy theorist, and god aren't we all after this year, you would have to think the players got wind of this weeks ago, hence the dreadful form. And if the players knew, so did the owners. And then you might think, why the hell has Moyes not signed that contract
Jay Harris
650 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:21:56
Being reported that there is NO compensation as he had a clause put in that he could leave if another CL club came in for him.

The timing is interesting because it is also being reported that in 7 days time Real MAdrid will be banned from CL which would have negated the compo clause.

What was that about Satans curse.

Geoff Lambert
651 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:22:38
And this is what the bookies say.
Next Everton manager:
Nuno Espirito Santo - 13/5
Eddie Howe – 3/1
Rafa Benitez – 8/1
Antonio Conte – 9/1
Wayne Rooney – 9/1
David Moyes – 14/1
They are not usually that far off the mark.
Derek Moore
652 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:23:47
Pickford, Keane and Siggy were all signed for Koeman four seasons ago!

If I was in their position it wouldn't be hard to not take the next mug errr manager seriously. Is it fair to ask why should they take the next manager seriously?

There is absolutely no foundation for success at Everton, other than perhaps a vague hope in Brands. As others have noted, for the amount of resources and time wasted to get this far is almost scandalous.
The club really needs to examine it's structure and consider it's next move very carefully. It's not unfair to say that the wrong move has us sliding off the map altogether.
We are living in interesting times.

Jack Convery
653 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:24:08
Any news on what compo we are getting from a bankrupt club.
Rob Halligan
654 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:26:06
Daft question, but has Marcel Brands got any managerial experience? He wants younger players, so at least he would play them if he was in charge!
Martin Mason
655 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:26:51
Good riddance Carlo. Onward and upward but please not that dreadful Wolves Manager.
Barry Hesketh
656 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:28:55
Unlikely candidates #1 The Neville Brothers. Phil is a former player therefore that old chestnut of only former Everton players winning trophies at Goodison could continue and his brother is so critical of Everton that he comes across as a closet blue and dislikes the neighbours as much as we do. It's clearly a winner for the family club to have a pair of brothers managing us.
Barry Robson
657 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:29:25
In my view Ancelotti has gone because Real Madrid came calling unexpectedly and he has jumped at the chance.
There is nothing the club could do once he really wanted to go back to Madrid.


It's not because his house got burgled. Half the footballers between Formby and Alderley edge have been burgled.
They just get more security.

Also I don't think any new manager will need time to assess the current squad as managers are knowledge about other teams players and will more than likely know our players well and be aware of their lack of real quality.

Ancelotti has shit on us. Fuck em!
We move on and please God get it right this time.

Paul Niklas
659 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:31:03
For Everton to change requires massive personel change and winners at the club. We have none of them. Duncan out Denise Van Outen out, Rhino out, Bill step asidose now Thankyou for your service and loyalty. We need a fresh start with a new stadium and a manager that pisses on our miserable mediocre history because he has done so much more and is hungary for more. Step up Stephen Gérard and turn this fucking dinosaur around.
Chris Hockenhull
660 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:31:27
Alan (634)... “it would give us some sort of continuity “. Dear God that’s the last bloody thing we want..”continuity “!!!!!!!!!!!
Hywel Owen
661 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:31:53
If I was CA I would take the three years offered by Real. He will last 12 months and be paid off for the balance. He is a vastly decorated manager who is by now a busted flush and it will not take Perez long to find out.

The look of sheer bewilderment on his face at some of the totally disgracefull home performances by HIS team is something I never wish to see again from an Everton manager. Let's get a German manager who can kick arses and offload most of the crap we have on the books.

Up the Blues
Ian Edwards
662 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:32:34
We agree on something Martin.
David Hallwood
663 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:33:52
I thought there was a tension between CA and Brands with recruitment; Brands young and hungry, CA proven but best days behind them because let's be honest the james of the world wouldn't be here otherwise.

Disappointed but onwards and upwards, to hopefully some stability.

Julian Exshaw
664 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:34:25
What about Timmy Cahill with an experienced coach alongside? Is that too Bill??
Karl Masters
665 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:34:48
Wayne Rooney? Ffs...
Martin Mason
666 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:34:50
Keep Moshiri and Kenwright out of the selection process even though it is total guesswork.
Trevor Powell
667 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:36:04
Treacherous and Cowardly. Gone for the money and not the history and legacy he led us to believe he had come to Everton. Just hope we stuff this down his throat at Bramley Moore. Don't give me all this crap about RM and family. The feeling of being used and violated by this so called honourable man and his family and he signs for the most corrupt and pampered club in the world. Perhaps, the Spanish Governemnt will give them a huge bung like they have often done ro will they send in the army to intimidate any clubs who dare to chalenge them. At the age of 68, this really shows me that with my heat trouble that I will be better in my grave, i am that incensed!
Nicolas Piñon
668 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:36:05
Not surprised at all.
The way he treated James Rodriguez fitness problems saying they were light problems (WHEN THEY WERE NOT) during months made it clear he wasn’t honest. So why would we want someone like that as a boss?
Hope Espíritu Santo comes!
Tommy Carter
669 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:36:16
The two best managers in world football are Jurgen Klopp and Diego Simeone in my opinion.

Klopp is never coming to Everton under any circumstances.

It’s a wild ambition but just throw as much money as possible at Diego Simeone and leave it on the table for him to decide.

Otherwise you are looking at options which will be a gamble which managerial selection almost always is.

If you want a safe pair of hands then Sean Dyche has done a remarkable job at Burnley and is the pick of English / British managers for me. Much better option than Eddie Howe or Graham Potter.

If you want a foreign manager with experience of the Premier League then Bielsa is the way to go as far as I’m concerned. I haven’t been as impressed as others seem to have been with Nuno Santos.

Rafa and Gerrard are ultimately a no under any circumstances for me and I would turn my back on the club if we ever made a shameless approach to Steven Gerrard.

All in all we have lost a wonderful manager but it’s an opportunity to do something different with someone who potentially will be in it for the long run

Andrew Keatley
670 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:36:20
Take off the blue-tinted specs and it’s shockingly easy to understand why Ancelotti jumped at the chance to switch ships. He had a group of players that he claimed would require a magician to successfully turn them into a more expansive side, and then Real Madrid come calling. After a year and a half at this club he probably realised that any hope of being the manager to significantly improve our fortunes was atrophied by the reality that gradually dawned on him. Maybe he was the wrong manager for us, or maybe another two years might have been enough to turn the corner and finally get us off Mediocrity Avenue - but the man has no obligation to see out his contract, and while it’s annoying to be so suddenly reminded of where we are in the pecking order, it’s not like he’s dumped us for a club of a similar stature - he’s gone to one of the biggest clubs on the planet. Maybe one day we will have that prestige, but right now we are something of a hot mess (although many would see Real Madrid that way too, but at least they have that prestige).
Tony Everan
671 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:36:34
Rob, I’m despondent too, can’t get excited at all at the moment about the new manager, whoever it is. I think Conte and Pochettino will be looking for better options, I can’t see it happening. It would create some excitement and positivity if it did. I really like Pochettino, I think he could embrace the project and would knock he whole club into shape from FF to the first team.

Of the others whoever it was I’d want them to come in with fire, desire and fully motivated make a difference. God knows who’d be qualified do that, Nuno Espirito would be my choice from the list above , it’s going to take someone with a strong and determined personality to bring EFC up to speed.

Daniel A Johnson
672 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:37:54
The Moyes critics on here piss me off.

Look at the rebuild Moyes has done in 18 Months! West Ham were relegation fodder with riots in their own stadium. Along comes Moyes and its champions league fights and decent players like Coufal and Soucek.

"IF" he comes back he would do a decent job of rebuilding us thats for sure.

Martin Mason
673 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:38:25
Now Ian and Darren come to the rescue. Who should the new manager be? This is just too sweet to believe.
Will Mabon
674 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:38:51
Len, 585:

Good stuff. Been a while :)

Joe McMahon
675 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:39:48
Damn it, i've just remembered Spurs are also looking for a manager.
David Pearl
676 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:39:59
Dave 642, completely agree. Why was Nkounkou dropped and not seen again till the final 10 minutes of the season? Actually, l wamted him gone but also thought perhaps with one more window lets see. If he can just move on with any compensation to us its a disgrace.
Derek Taylor
677 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:41:17
Jack @653, likely to have been an 'easy exit 'clause in his contract and the 'lack of noise' from Everton indicates they were glad to be rid.
Christy Ring
678 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:41:26
Time to start afresh, and and after all the abuse Carlo got from Ian, his choice is Eddie Howe!! Sacked at Burnley and got B'mouth relegated, you couldn't make it up.
Poch would be a coup, not staying at PSG, would be guaranteed a big salary, budget new stadium, and no interference from the owner, why would he go back to Levy, and Kane leaving? If not Lampard, his team won the Champions league, and would bring Gilmour and a few of the Chelsea young players with him.
Thomas Richards
679 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:42:45
"Whoever the poor fucker is, he will be inheriting the total shit show Carlo leaves behind."

Did Carlo not inherit a shit show?

"Im not playing name the new manager"

Only because your bumped up ego won't allow you to put yourself up for the slagging you would get if your choice didnt work.

Micheal Lynch
680 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:45:08
I can't understand why people are disappointed he is gone. Three centre backs in a must-win game against Sheffield United and two holding mids. The worst home record we have seen.

As for attracting top players.... Allan? He isn't exactly setting the Premier League alight. James maybe... but he is constantly injured. Young players would never get a chance under him. Good riddance.

David Dumphy
681 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:45:49
Sammy Lee for me. Within time, everyone will get used to the smell of piss.
Paul Hewitt
682 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:47:12
Daniel@672 I agree. But you won't convince the majority on here I'm afraid.
Colin Glassar
683 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:47:40
None of the above mentioned excite me. Nuno puts me to sleep and his group hugging after every goal is a bit weird. He’s too laid back (similar to Carlo for my liking).

I don’t want fucking ginger, Howe, Dyche, Potter, Benitez, Lampard or any other of the aforementioned losers. I want a revolution from top to bottom so we need a psycho nutter like Conte to shake things up. Or, a mini Pep like Luis Enrique.

Both will burn out after two seasons but my god will things change at Goodison.

Ian Edwards
684 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:48:13
Christy. Don't misquote me. My choice is not Eddie Howe. I said IF it was a choice of Howe, Nuno or Lampard I would prefer Howe out of those three. Hopefully the pool will be wider than those three.
Nick Page
685 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:48:48
Benitez will change things at Everton. Mark my words.
Bobby Mallon
686 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:48:57
So Ian Edwards and Darren Hind can rest easy now. The none happy clappers will now be happy
Thomas Richards
687 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:49:06
Who IS your choice Ian?
Paul Niklas
688 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:50:09
Daniel Johnson = " Wallpushers" Really? Unfortunately those wall pushers as you refer to them win fucking trophies. Typical Dinosaur Everton fan who thinks our mediocre History stands for something. Means fuck all and always has. You will be spouting the Blue "fucking donate a tin of Spam" Union next. Another fucking pointless Dinosaur.
Rob Halligan
689 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:50:19
Colin, so you don’t fancy Nuno’s gang then?
Robert Miller
690 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:50:32
Got it! . Zidane!
David Pearl
691 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:51:00
If Big Dunc gets the job, l look forward to a 442 again. He had a lot to say to Carlo during the Sheff Utd game and was ignored. Not that many options but Conte and Poch are not on the list. I think Moyes will stay with the hammers. So that leaves Dunc or Nuno.

AND IN OTHER NEWS England release the names of the Euros squad a day before they play a warm up game. WTFak have l entered the twighlight zone?? Its also reported that the released Lingard will start the game. So England go into the Euros not knowing or even playing the shape or 11 that will start. Fecking unbelievable if true.

Carlo out

Daniel A Johnson
692 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:51:21
West Ham went Hollywood with Manuel Pellegrini the result was wasted money and a fight with relegation.

They went for a more pragmatic rebuild approach with Moyes and have reaped the benefits.

Our next manager needs to be a builder and an organiser. We can save our Hollywood manager for 10 years from now when we hopefully have a squad of players worth more than a crock of shite.

les mallinson
693 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:51:34
Carlo the rat,
Hope Madrid have a sh-t season and he gets the sack.
Time for Dunc to step up.
Ricky Oak
694 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:52:37
Oh my giddy aunt, couldn't make it up, could you? I am believing that it's all part of some cunning plan.

Chris Wilder anyone? At least he's got some spirit and stands up to anyone not in the club.
Dale Self
695 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:53:41
Yep Ian, no hiding now mate!

On the exit: “Everton would like to place on record its thanks to Carlo for his service to the club over the past 18 months."

Submitting it for the record is about as cold as it gets from a club like Everton. This was a raid and contractually (translation:reputationally) we were not well set for this. It was a move getting Carlo here but we could not secure the terms to prevent this from happening. Recent appointments indicate anything but a small club with respect to the market for coaches. So yeah, place your bets out loud or make your future criticisms in whispers thank you very much.

Kieran Kinsella
696 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:53:44
James posted on Twitter. He said "Here is my house in Colombia. That you for the good passes today."
As ever, totally on top of all things Everton related.
Eddie Dunn
697 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:53:48
Been working like a dog all day and then had 3 pints of Cobra in the pub. Got home to hear this shit show with RS mates ringing for hours!
Well, Carlo can fuck off...another mercenary, like so many players. The soul has gone out of football.
Colin Glassar
698 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:54:00
Not really Rob. He comes across as a bit of a company man. Someone who tows the party line. We need someone to rock the boat and change the clubs mentality.

Daniel A, at least you have the balls to admit being a Moyes devotee.👍

Colin Glassar
699 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:54:01
Not really Rob. He comes across as a bit of a company man. Someone who tows the party line. We need someone to rock the boat and change the clubs mentality.

Daniel A, at least you have the balls to admit being a Moyes devotee.👍

Matthew Williams
701 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:54:47
Henrik #551, Spot on,after today's excitement I was only a year out!.

Jeez,I feel so old now...shit.

Trevor Powell
702 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:55:38
Andrew, RM's perceived prestige comes froml Franco's henchmen going into opposition changing rooms with machine guns and clear death threats, the underhand loans and grants illegally taken from the Spanish Govt, the dubious deal for the sale and return of their so called historic training ground. Yes, they may win stuff, but that sort of prestige is that similar to the trappings of fascist regimes et al.
Kieran Kinsella
703 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:55:58
Dale

I noticed that too. About as minimalist as you can get. Take it they weren't happy

Dale Self
704 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:56:06
I guess I was wrong, Colin likes Conte. Counte me out.
Clive Rogers
705 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:57:38
Bill, 641, there is no compensation money and Bielsa is 4 years older than Ancelotti at 65.
Hugh Jenkins
706 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:57:45
I was truly chuffed when we got Ancelotti.

When things were going wrong I didn't (didn't want to) believe that he was the wrong man for the job and wasn't up to turning it around, or greatly improving the players under his charge.

Sadly, I guess I was wrong.

Pablo Brown
707 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:59:07
I can't help thinking we'll end up with Rafa, not the worst choice but his brand of football is also dull.
Ray Said
708 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:59:51
I wonder if Jose Mourinho is the name Moshiri wants?
Daniel A Johnson
709 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:00:24
Colin I'm not a Moyes devotee far from it but there is this hysterical negative attitude towards him on here. Carlo £9M a year, 15 fuckin trophies got us no higher than fat Sam. If anything fat Sams footie was prob better.

We are in need of a rebuild and for me Moyes is good at doing that. I cant think of any other manager who is capable of rebuilding us like he could.

Frank Boyle
710 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:01:06
French newspaper "Libération" are reporting that Pochettino has asked to be released from his contract at PSG...
Dale Self
711 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:01:07
Yeah Kieran, I think they get a pass considering they simply didn't have the position to demand exit clauses. The timing is brutal but knowing what we know now we either pull back to more dedicated servants or we leave the table when courted by gold diggers who will not sign a decent contract.
Darren Hind
712 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:01:15
Judging by this tread Bobby, You happy clappers are certainly not happy now, but that`s no fault of anyone on here

You must be asking yourself what it is you were clapping for the past 18 months.

New chapter. I bet the next fella, whoever he may be, finishes higher than tenth and we will play better football

Kieran Kinsella
713 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:01:24
Best of both worlds, a mixture of Conte and a German: Stefan Kuntz.
Kieran Kinsella
714 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:03:05
Daniel 709

The pitchfork mob are out " If anything fat Sams footie was prob better."

Thomas Richards
715 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:04:49
Bobby,

After you have asked yourself that, ask Darren for his preferred new manager.

Ray Said
716 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:05:05
No bigger winner than Jose, no one better to sort out some of the no marks in the squad, provider of a clear tactical plan and structure. Master of the tight 1-nil win.
Cristobal Aguirre
717 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:05:20
Very happy with this news.

I always said he is not the answer to our problems. He is just a outdated mercenary.

Now please move on to Bielsa or big dunc. No one else please.

Hugh Jenkins
718 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:05:26
Oliver (637) - I too detested him as a player df or the RS - BUT - if he came here to manage Everton and did a good job - I could forgive him.
Barry Hesketh
719 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:08:33
I was under the impression that Mourinho had taken the reins at Roma?
Jerome Shields
720 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:09:12
Ray #716

Hes the new manager at AC Roma.

Jack#504

God forbid.

Tony Everan
721 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:11:36
Lyndon, No Pochettino on the TW poll list ?

I know it’s very unlikely, but it’s slightly more of a possibility than Simeone .

Ray Said
722 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:12:01
Ha ha what a mistake to make!! Wake me up after the Euros someone. I am done
Pat Kelly
723 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:12:07
Good riddance to him, his son and his mercenary friend James. All pulling a big salary out of the Club while contributing nothing.
Sam Hoare
724 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:13:54
Ive heard Poch is going back to Spurs. Will be announced in 2 days time. Think there's a very goo chance that Conte goes to PSG. Mourinho has just taken over at Roma. Simeone is not an option!
Barry Hesketh
725 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:14:17
Pochettino won't come to Goodison, if he's released from his contract with PSG he'll return to Spurs.
Daniel A Johnson
726 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:14:52
Conte is Barcelona bound as Koeman has gone
Dale Self
727 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:14:58
OFM, Mou, Fat Sam, Stevie Me or other inflammatory choices are not some space for the snipers to hang out. Stay with those suggestions without tabling any other choices and you effectively eliminate your voice on the subject.
Darren Hind
728 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:16:15
Big Joe Royle coming up on Talk shite.

Should be interesting

Ted Donnelly
729 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:17:39
Another problem we have now is that the utter dross at the club will now be given "a season to prove yourself " under whatever new manager we get. You couldn't write this shit!!
Gavin Johnson
730 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:20:23
Who's your choice Dazza?! Rhino, Dunc or Rooney?
Julian Exshaw
731 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:20:56
I'm surprised, or maybe I shouldn't be, about how little attention this is getting in the media.
Keith Meakin
732 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:21:15
POTTER for me, he could bring with him DOBBY, Richalisons mini me.
Jack Convery
733 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:22:37
Jerome 720 - What I meant was - our mangers go on to better things - well Koeman, Martinez and Ancelotti did. If we had players who did that it would mean they have been a success here and we make a profit, instead of giving them away for f all.
Mark McDonald
734 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:23:32
Bielsa would be a dream but to reality.

Let Duncan have a go with some ex Blues as assistants. The likes of Baines Cahill possibly even Rooney.

At least they understand the club and are loyal (apart from Rooney). Foreign managers do not really get us.

Bielsa can do for us what he's done to Leeds but cannot see him leave them.

Colin Glassar
735 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:26:01
I doubt Darren and co will put forward a preferred candidate to take charge. It’s so much easier sniping from the sidelines.

My choices (in order) would be:

Luis Enrique
Ralf Ragnik(?)
Conte

Andy Riley
736 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:26:34
Kevin Campbell on Sky reckoned with should go for the best available and mentioned Conte. Is he in the know?
Kieran Kinsella
737 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:26:50
Darren 728

What did Joe say? I got the impression he wasn't too impressed when we hired Big Sam. If so, I can only imagine his views on everything since.

Rob Halligan
738 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:27:15
Julian, the BBC website are still showing a big headline “Liverpool’s Alexander Arnold in England squad for Euro 2020”.

The biggest football news of the day is neatly tucked away underneath a picture of the ugly aforementioned RS player.

Thomas Richards
739 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:27:40
A day to remember on TW.

Posters gloating at a bad day because they got thier wish is poor form.
Thier determination to be "proved right" overides thier concern for the fate of our club after yet another backward step.

Andy Riley
740 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:28:21
Maybe someone off the wall like Roy Keane?
Nick Bower
741 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:28:29
What about Joachim Löw? He will be out of a job after the Euros.
Barry Rathbone
742 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:29:04
Bet the champagne corks are popping at Mosh's place now the sword of Damacles of another huge pay off to clear out CA has been removed.

We paid top dollar for an elite manager and it flopped horrendously so every justification in revisiting the Kenwright model. Appoint an unknown like Moyes for relative buttons until he proves himself or save even more dough by giving it to Dunc!!

CA and Madrid getting all the flak as well - old Mosh must be sitting there glugging on the champers murmuring "now that's what I call a result"

Ian Smith
743 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:29:08
Gareth Southgate will be our new manager after the Euros it’s already in place, Stevie G to replace him. Watch this space, gonna put 50 on it.
Bill Rodgers
744 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:30:37
I really hope that Ferguson gets it. Only then will we see the end to sentimental, nostalgic Horlicks which is the root cause of the failure of EFC to move on. Give him the reins and watch the car crash. Only after reaching rock bottom will Everton fans eventually learn that we have to build from a solid base and have the patience to grow a team with commitment and brains. We must either clear out Finch farm - or let the dinosaurs take over.
Rob Halligan
745 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:30:45
Daniel # 726. Where are you reading that Koeman has left Barcelona? I’ve just googled him and the most recent update, about two hours ago, says he remains at Barcelona but needs to take a pay cut.
Kieran Kinsella
746 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:32:15
Colin

The problem with Enrique is he is managing Spain and I can't seem him bailing before the Euros. Which would mean a protracted summer long chase like with Koeman and a reduced window for signings/training involving him.

Ian Smith 743

How on Earth would Southgate work out? At best he picks no more than two Everton players at a time. That would be 38 forfeited games.

Jerome Shields
747 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:32:26
Jack#733

Got you now. Thought it was the other way round. Unfortunately we have too many below par players that would not get the contract they are on anywhere else. Probably one of the reasons Ancelotti is gone.

Those that say that Conte will go to Barcelona or PSG are probably right. Ponchettino to Spurs, the fool. We are probably in the relms of the dreaded 'up and coming Manager circuit'.

Bielsa probably the best , though how would he get on at Finch Farm. Zidane would be better , has a good headbutt.

My favourite us the Columbian Manager. Seems to know a committed player when he sees one and if his aim is 500% he maybe able to change thing that badly need changed at Everton.

Julian Exshaw
748 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:32:48
I know Rob. Same with Sky earlier when the news was breaking. The banner headline was TAA in the England squad. They call themselves a news service! When Mourinho was sacked it was headline news for 2 days. I detest Sky.
Rob Halligan
749 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:33:09
Thomas, spot on mate. This has possibly set us back years.
Andy Riley
750 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:33:12
I think of those available and achievable then it’s probably Frank Lampard. Well liked - good front for the media going forward and could take some credit for Chelsea winning the Champions League. Also putting Klopp in his place at Analfield is a positive!
Barry Jones
751 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:33:29
We should set our standards and sights really high. What about Joey Barton?
Kieran Kinsella
752 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:34:35
Dunc's put as The Echo say Carlo is taking his whole backroom crew to Real. Hold up, looks like one man was omitted from the list.
Jack Convery
753 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:34:50
Zinedine Zidane is available - just saying.
Chris Gordon
754 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:34:51
He will be sacked within 2 years I guarantee. He could've built a legacy at Everton, but he chose the easy option. Next time I hear a manager bleating about how they're do unfairly treated, I'll just think of this and shrug my shoulders
John Reynolds
755 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:35:50
So Carlo turns out to be that really popular girl in school everyone dreamed about going out with but you snagged somehow because you were “quirky”. But she really wanted to shag the captain of the first XI all along and quickly dumped you.

You can do better - what about those nice girls, Miss Potter or Miss Howe your Mum likes? Even if you do really fancy that slatternly Ms Conte...

Andy Walker
756 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:36:40
So why has Ancelotti taken a 50% pay cut to leave Everton?

Did he challenge Moshiri’s publicly stated view that we have a great squad of players who just need managing properly? I suspect he did and Moshiri wouldn’t listen. I think Ancelotti’s recent comments at press conferences that he’s ‘not a magician’ and that ‘we are a team that’s better without the ball’ speaks volumes. I think Ancelotti knew damn well what was wrong and what was needed to repair the team, but Moshiri and maybe Brands wouldn’t have it.

In addition I think the burglary at Ancelotti’s home earlier this year will have impacted him and his wife.

More to this than Real came calling and he couldn’t resist I think.

Colin Glassar
757 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:39:36
The more I think about it the more I believe this was a mutually agreed decision. Carlo gave up on us and the board gave up on him. This way, everyone gets out relatively unscathed.
Robert Tressell
758 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:40:12
I just want someone to work with Brands to overhaul the squad by bringing in and coaching young athletic players. That is our only way out of the mire given our meagre budget (hindered seriosly by players deteriorating in value). To me that's probably Ten Haag, Potter or maybe Santos.

Mike Hughes
759 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:40:41
Rob #636

Have I been on the pop?
LOL. No, I haven’t yet.
But there are some on here who seem to have been on the lash all afternoon (without mentioning names).

Some have suggested Simeone / Poch etc. I’ll have some of what they are smoking. I like ambition but it has to be grounded in reality. Pearson or his ilk is much more realistic and appropriate given where we are on the expensive road to nowhere.

This club needs a massive reality check. Our pulling power is poor. No trophy for 26 years, no Europe and a lofty 10th after the millions wasted. Any star name is only coming for the money and taking the piss in my opinion.

We need to build again much like (sad to say) after the Walter Smith era. I don’t particularly want DM back but the job he did and is capable of suggests someone (unknown) of his type is required rather than a Big Time Charlie.

Unless we get the right man this time (rather than another impulse buy at the checkout), I think our top flight tenure is most definitely at risk next season. There are not too many of this lot I’d want in the trenches with me.

And the recruitment of the last few managers since DM left does not suggest any clued-up thinking in the Everton way (whatever that is these days). Allardyce to Ancelotti could be a new mockumentary.

Have I been on the pop?
EFC is, as you well know, a very sobering experience with a guaranteed kick in the nuts as part of the deal.

Root and branch job at every level if we are to progress. Not “lipstick on a pig”.

Soren Moyer
760 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:42:48
Everton have said we are looking to bring in another "Big Name" coach. Hopefully its not Rooney 😬. Define big name.
Christy Ring
761 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:43:29
Everton should insist that Carlo can only go if he brings Delph, Iwobi and Sigurdsson with him.
A lot of speculation about Poch going back to Spurs, didn't he leave over Levy?
Geoff Lambert
762 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:44:43
Sotiris Papagiannopoulos @ Soren
Paul A Smith
763 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:46:29
Lets have this right, Moshiri has picked the last four managers.
Nobody else. Let it sink in.

He will pick the next one too. 2 things we know he definately does, is picks the manager and give him some spends.

Brands is on a 3 year deal isn't he? I can't see the owner leaving it to Brands. Sadly this time it'll be harder to get the big name Moshiri likes to bring.

Once the target is decided, all three clowns will sit together and discuss how to get him and what direction to go transfer wise.

Before Moshiri arrived we had just been in 2 semi finals and not long before, reached our best prem points total.

We haven't looked closer to a trophy since. All facts.

Ian Riley
764 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:46:49
Not surprised really. Lovely sunshine, champions league and implement methods with quality players. However, have we improved under Carlo? No is the simple answer.

Who next? Let's stop please aiming for the stars before building foundations. In the defence of David Moyes he made us regular top 7 and one 4th place with a limited budget with a average squad. A better squad and few more additions could he do better? Does he deserve a second chance? None of the other managers being mentioned have Everton in their heart and passion for Everton to succeed than him.

Rafa is short term, do we need a manager with a long term plan? His reported "small club" comment is hard to forget if results don't go well. Nuno is a contender due what he has done with wolves is incredible. Football is good on the eye and only for a injury hit season top six may have happened. Big Dunc is a possibility but does he feel ready or want it?

Its the next chapter of Everton... anything is possible!

Dave Lynch
765 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:47:41
The scum that burgled him are partly responsible.
His daughter disturbed them and has since developed severe anxiety as a result.
She wouldn't stay in the house alone.
Who can blame him for not wanting to look after his family.
The poor girl was terrified out of her mind.
Gavin Johnson
766 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:52:02
Mark #734 Yes, if Dunc was given a go, it would be nice to have some blues like Cahill and Rooney besides him but I'm not sure if Rooney would give up a managers job to be a No.2. As for Cahill does anyone know how he's been getting on with his coaching?! He's one person I think would make a good transition into management or coaching. He comes off really well whenever he's a pundit and he's a born leader.
Daniel A Johnson
767 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:52:26
We have ex managers now manging Real Madrid, Barcelona and the No.1 ranked country in the world Belgium.

Maybe the players are just crap after all?

Andy Riley
768 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:52:59
I’m with Colin thinking this is a mutually convenient decision for all players - Everton, Real and Carlo himself. That being the case you would think Moshiri has a cunning plan but what is it?
Keith Meakin
769 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:54:17
Goodnight toffee Webber’s I’m off to watch The Still Game with a Whiskey & Coke, hopefully when I log in tomorrow you will have chosen a new manager for our magnificent club.
Colin Glassar
770 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:55:12
Biggus Dickus is a big name, Soren.
Jerome Shields
771 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:55:26
Colin#757

I agree. Anchelotti was really putting it up to the Board, Management and players, of Everton, including Brands at the end of the season. I think it was essential he qualified for Europe to stand any chance to push through the necessary changes. He was a lone voice and probably realised that nothing was going to change.

The team where not playing for him , so the vibes where being filtered down. Interestingly , the Stalwarts where confident enough to come to the fore in the Media at the end of the season.

Probably celebrations at Finch Farm that Ancelotti has gone.

Ron Sear
772 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:56:17
Strange how somebody who exaggerates his own performance, tells fibs about his desire to stay at Everton until the new stadium is built and routinely changes jobs or is fired on more than just a few occassions is then somehow seen as a desirable candidate for another job. Personally I would be dubious about employing anybody with that kind of record but I guess that's how con artists end up with mansions and flash cars, they always win on one of their tries. My worry now is that he might tempt some of our best players to Real.
Robert Williams
773 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:57:33
MH 759. 'Unless we get the right man this time (rather than another impulse buy at the checkout), I think our top flight tenure is most definitely at risk next season. There are not too many of this lot I’d want in the trenches with me.'

Bloody right m8.

Duncan McDine
774 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:58:03
Ron 772... who are they? I’m struggling to think of anyone that he’d want to take with him
Jason Li
775 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:58:42
Gutted to see Ancelotti left, 59 points was decent for our form in recent years. I think he could have got us close to 70 with 3 signings.

Christophe Galtier of Lille would be interesting, not sure if he speaks good English, but money talks.

And he knows how to blood young pacy players, sell on, and bring another one in and blood again.

Paul Hewitt
776 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:00:15
We don't need to get a new man in. The right guy is already here. Step forward Duncan Ferguson. Yes he has limited managerial experience, but he does have the highest coaching badges you can get. Plus you have to start somewhere. Pep was a reserve coach before he got the top job. Give him a chance at least.
Colin Glassar
777 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:01:09
I agree Paul, give Pep a chance.
Chris Corn
778 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:02:03
Paul 763, stop making sense. 5yrs, circa £0.5b and 7 managers later and we are still knocking around mid table.

Its as if people feel that if they criticise Moshi, they are scared he might pull his dough and we will be truly screwed. So they keep giving it to Kenwright as the easy target.

Unfotunately, Moshiri was a day late and a dollar short and to my mind clueless. Certainly from a football perspective. Today just laid bare to the football world what many of us already know. In today's football world we are irrelevant. A sad fact to those, like me of certain generations who have seen succesful teams.

It's proven by the fact that Carter was at the forefront of the PL breakaway at a time when Everton were still seen as one of the 'Big 5', even though admittedly we were in decline. We continued to be ran like a corner shop despite the money pouring into the game. Don't seem to be run much better now just stumbling from one failed manager to another and average players on big contracts we can't get rid of. The fact Besic spent 7 years at Everton should be subject of an investigation alone.

Near 30 yrs later, the only one of those five clubs not in today's big 6 is .....!!!

Barry Hesketh
779 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:04:07
To get relegated Everton would have to fail to accumulate around 35-40 points if any incoming manager can't achieve that, even if we concede that this squad is a poor one, then we might as well sell all of our high earners and send out the u23s for next season.

I'd ask Duncan to take the job for twelve months, whilst the club has an honest appraisal of what it wants to be in the next five to ten years, and then it might be able to choose the right manager for that vision.

Jason Leung
780 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:07:50
And we're screwed..to leave and earn half of what he was on at madrid, I reckon he knew we were a sinking shit that not even he could fix..

We are in big trouble. We'll get Eddie Howe and just watch him be sacked next year as we will be hovering above relegation.

Paul Evans
781 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:12:26
Utterly fed up. Not with Everton but the saviour Carlo. He was going to lead us into the promised land, take us into our new home and yet clearly he was waiting for bigger things! The man has no integrity at all and yet I dared to believe in him.

So what's next? Do we risk a top manager who will leave at any moment or do we go for Moyes or Howe or similar? I know how I feel today.

It's a tough decision to bring the right man in but for my money id rather have somebody that wants to be at Everton and will stick around for the long term.

So goodbye, Carlo, a man who allowed me to dare to dream and yet let us down. You won't be missed.
Paul A Smith
782 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:14:58
If Moshiri is half the man he think he is, he'll release a statement saying he was going to sack him next week anyway.
Bobby Mallon
783 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:18:23
Leonardo Jardim For me. Won the french league
Per Stumo
784 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:19:30
So who are free agents right now? Conte and Villas-Boas comes to mind amongst the better known continentals. Both fairly recently out of jobs.

I'd love for Big Dunc to succeed. though.

Joe McMahon
785 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:19:55
Paul @776, Kenwright is gonna wet the bed tonight with excitement. His dream of dreams is happening sooner than he thought. The Everton Family management team of Ferguson & Unsworth is going to step forward into the limelight.
Andrew Bentley
786 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:21:39
Oliver @637
I think we all felt that about Gerard when he played for Liverpool. However, I would take him in a heart beat. He is a winner, demands the best from his players, and boy would it piss the RS off. What he’s done at Rangers has been nothing short of remarkable

The only issue being that once Klopp left he’d probably jump ship straight into that role

Paul A Smith
787 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:22:56
Joe why pretend Kenwright picks the managers though?

One thing is massive for us. The next buys need to be perfect or the new man has the same problems which is a slow, thoughtless, injury prone squad.

David Thomas
788 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:24:26
Paul 776,

Why would Duncan be the right choice on what basis should he get the job?

He’s 50 this year and has only ever managed any football team in 4 matches in his life.

He’s also been a key member of the last few management teams that have all under performed.

Danny Broderick
789 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:29:42
Daniel (767),

You’ve hit the nail on the head there. The managers we have sacked are now managing Real Madrid, Barcelona and Belgium!!!

It doesn’t matter who our manager is. Give it to the tea lady. It makes no difference. While we have shit, underperforming players displaying a lack of effort, no manager can make us work. We’ve all worked alongside a lazy sod. You might tolerate it for a while, but at some point, you start to resent it and you start doing less yourself. This is the Everton culture while we have players like Sigurdsson, Gomes and Bernard in our midfield. How on earth are the likes of Besic still on our books?

I’m gutted tonight. No one can seriously blame Ancelotti for going to Real Madrid. He’s back in the big time at one of the top 10 teams in world football, playing in the CL! If he has struggled to get a tune out of some of these players, we are fucked.

A new manager will come in, he will crack the whip and get us going again...and then the good old Everton disease will kick in. Effort levels will drop while we see players running down their contracts and putting in fuck all effort. Results will drop off. And then there will be fans calling for the new manager’s head, he will get sacked and the cycle will begin again.

Ancelotti has called the players out at the end of the season there. He’s no doubt asked for reinforcements having made the strange decision to name 2 keepers on the bench towards the end of the season. He’s then had a meeting with Brands and co where they have talked about our budget for the coming season. He’s then left the club. Makes me think he knew he was going to be lumbered with the same shit old squad next season, with a limited budget for bringing top players in. And he’s jumped ship.

Ancelotti made some very strange choices at times last season. Performances, selections, tactics could all be criticised. But I can’t help thinking we are fucked without him, certainly looking at some of the potential candidates to replace him. Bad times to be an Evertonian...

Joe McMahon
790 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:29:46
Paul, I think he still has some influence though (but we will never know) with his Romantic Idealism.
John Kavanagh
791 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:29:58
Ian @743 and Kieran @746. Yep, Southgate would be an ideal fit. He likes an unbalanced squad (like we always seem to have) and picking unfit players (we have loads of them!). He has also produced some dire directionless football from teams packed with talented players.

After the usual Euro Championship wheels fly off, he will also have a track record of failure that would fit us like a glove. Oh, and he's a nice chap too.

Expect the appointment a week after Scotland do a job on the missing midfield and temporary/stand in England centre backs.

Rob Halligan
792 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:30:47
If Duncan Ferguson gets the job, then there is definitely no chance of Moise Kean coming back. Maybe we could sell Moise Kean to Real Madrid??
John Skelly
793 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:33:12
I actually thought this was all smoke and mirrors but I was wrong obviously, can I speak again on this site.
Paul Hewitt
794 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:34:53
David @778. Why wouldn't he?. We have tried all sort of managers. The young up and coming manager( Martinez and Silva) the top player who is now a manager. ( Koeman)And the world class manager (Carlo, )all failed.
Paul A Smith
795 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:34:54
Joe 790 he is more likely to pretend he does mate.
Mark Palmer
796 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:37:27
I’ve just seen the current standings for preferred new manager.
Leading the popularity stakes are managers who’d have zero interest in Everton if it wasn’t for money and who’d not stick around for long. Has nobody learned anything?
We need someone who’ll build, who feels blessed to be here, who can pick out a diamond in the rough. Someone who is a decent human being and a savvy football tactician.
Someone who can deliver a Martinez first season with the consistency of Moyes.
And who is that person? No bloody idea.
John Skelly
797 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:41:08
I thought Carlo was the answer proved wrong again, is lamm the ex Germany manager available ?
Kieran Kinsella
798 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:41:23
Rob Halligan

Fabrizio Romano who broke this story just Tweeted that PSG are negotiating to get Moise Kean on loan again

Soren Moyer
799 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:47:20
Colin (770), I'm afraid you're wrong. I suspect its " Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crasscrenbon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-spelltinkle-grandlich-grumblemeyer-spelterwasser-kurstlich-himbleeisen-bahnwagen-gutenabend-bitte-ein-nürnburger-bratwustle-gerspurten-mitzweimache-luber-hundsfut-gumberaber-shönendanker-kalbsfleisch-mittler-aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm".
Duncan McDine
800 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:48:25
John Skelly, you clearly have a history of getting things wrong, so give us a list of your favourite candidates so we can rule them out.
Gavin Johnson
801 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:50:29
Kieran, apparently Kean is also interested in going back to Juve now Allegri's gone back. I think there's very little chance that we'll allow Kean to go out on loan again whoever the next Everton manager is. We want a sale to reinvest.

The Daily Mirror are really pushing Moyes. If he does end up coming back he can hopefully pursued West Ham to sell Soucek to us.

Ernie Baywood
802 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:50:30
I posted on here after the last game questioning whether Carlo was even the right man for us.

If we need a rebuild then, no, it's not Carlo. If we thought we could add a few big names and challenge then, yes, he'd be the right man.

My fear was that we'd fall inbetween the two because we had Carlo available. Basically keep us around 10th until the stadium is built.

So I'm not devastated. We can pick a manager that fits our current predicament and can start the process of rebuilding this squad. Carlo wasn't that manager.

Conor Skelly
803 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:51:35
Dad @797

I think you mean Joachim Löw. He's been touted before and is a good shout having recently become available. I can't see it happening though.

The pragmatic in me wants Potter. It makes sense on paper and after Carlos turgid set-up his expansive, chance creating style would be a breath of fresh air and give cause for some optimism. He's also British which I think will be something fresh too. 14/1 looks a big price for me.

Shouts for Conte etc are crazy, in my opinion.

Tony Everan
804 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:53:09
I agree we need someone who can build, but he’s got to be a strong personality. The cosy mediocrity that runs through the club needs eliminating.

Who could come in and totally change the way the club operates to make everything more professional? The last thing we want is a weak yes man that slots into the same failing systems.

A team builder from the bottom up with gravitas with a strong no nonsense personality. I want someone to give us an identity and get us playing as an organised team like Leeds but with better players to get us further.

No name jumps out as being the obvious choice, or one that everyone would be happy with. Ive resorted to praying that we get the right man in.

Alan Corken
805 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:53:21
Andrew @786: Dont be bloody ridiculous, Gerrard would never ever, be accepted at Goodison
Robert Miller
806 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:53:53
Today is the day when it was officially signalled to the whole world what has been obvious to all of us for some time: There is NO F****** PLAN.

Our squad may be second string, lazy, overpaid chancers but they were all sold the promise that this was a club that was going places. So did the succession of managers - WRONG

Which player or manager - who could genuinely be a catalyst for change - is now going to buy into Project Everton - a club that couldn't even get into the Europa league or finish above Leeds - managed by Ancelotti.

Anyone clinging on to a fresh start optimism here is delusional.

I'm afraid we have to accept the bitter truth that we are rank average club run by people who are rank average.

John Skelly
807 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:54:39
Duncan I just gave one 797 baby steps for me.
Peter Warren
808 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:55:40
Roy Keane would do me. Need someone who takes no shit and tells it how it is. Not against Dunc but worried he can’t be objective with his affinity for the club.
Will Mabon
809 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:56:06
Low lost me when he overtly picked and ate bogies on the touchline, for the world to see on live television. Has some pretty vile scratch & sniff tricks too.
Tom Bowers
810 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:00:02
Wow !!! Some controversy here guys.

Firstly, Gerrard !!!!!! Come on think straight. Irrespective of the fact he was a Red what has he done. Led Rangers to beat out one other opponent to win the Scottish title. It's not worth mentioning.

Ancellotti is a quitter and getting the Blues to finish tenth even behind promoted Leeds was awful. The last 5 months alone were enough to have doubts about what he can still do.
He started basically with a defeat to RS reserves and ended with a 5-0 drubbing by a City team with nothing to play for.
If it weren't for the win over RS there would be nothing to remember him by.
He came in for the big money, did nothing and left for even bigger money. Good riddance.

Soren Moyer
811 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:00:19
Will (809), Imagine him standing in the dugout at GP and eating that shit ffs! No thanks.

Jardim + his scouting team will do it for me. Same team that unearthed gems such as Mbape et. al.

Kieran Kinsella
812 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:00:34
Gavin

Maybe we can do a double deal for Soucek and Moyes. Have Soucek sign his papers first then say “suckers” and leave Moyes and Karen Brady in the lurch

Fran Mitchell
813 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:00:46
What about this for left field.

The season of clubs going back: Allegri to Juve, Carlo to Real, Poch to Spurs (maybe).

How about Martinez?

He still speaks affectionately about our club. And maybe his time as Belgium manager will have seen him develop and mature (and set up a defence). After the Euros, it may be time for a return to club football.

Madder things have happened

Kieran Kinsella
814 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:03:29
Fran

I’d sooner see Souness back at Liverpool

Richard Lyons
815 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:03:59
Here's an idea: why not get rid of all the players, sack all the staff, and sell the properties, then share out the proceeds among TW members.

Then we can all go and support a proper football club...

John Raftery
816 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:06:01
Ron (772) You are worried he might tempt our best players to Real. I don’t know who you have in mind but to listen to some fans on TW we do not have players any big club would be remotely interested in.
John Skelly
817 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:06:04
I actually thought it was lamm not low but in hindsight one was a great defender for Germany
Nick Page
818 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:08:56
Robert Miller 806 - 100% correct. EFC are a rank average outfit run by an idiot and his cronies WITH NO PLAN and backed by the biggest mug going. it takes time for the masses to accept the truth. But alas, they find enlightenment. I’d say a lot of the fan base are actually culpable in this - should have demanded the Big Actor sling his hook years ago.

You reap what you sow.

Jamie Crowley
819 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:12:42
I’m in the middle of driving to Austin, TX and I just got the news.

We are fucked. Awful news.

Laurie Hartley
820 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:13:05
A feeling of resignation (no pun intended) is my reaction. Who will be the next manager - well I hope it isn’t any on this list in order of aversion:-

Gerard
Rodgers
Benitez

John Skelly
821 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:15:05
I should really research my facts and names but where is the fun in that
Nick Page
822 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:15:07
Said it a million times but it really doesn’t matter who we get in….the fish rots from the head
Dale Self
823 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:16:02
Thanks for weighing in Soren. Jardim is an interesting candidate.
Colin Glassar
824 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:18:28
You beat me there, Soren.
Robert Tressell
825 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:20:05
Ron @772. Please don't post your concerns about Real taking our best players on twitter. RS fans are enjoying this too much already.
Bill Gall
826 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:27:23
Good news Big Sam is available, he will get up to 7/8. and he was England Manager. Joking aside this will be Everton's 6th manager in 8 years, what a disgrace.
We are now back to square one, hiring a manager to get the squad we have into a winning unit. Five have failed so who will want this hot seat and be successful.
I see people suggesting managers from the lower half of the league, Why ? they have not won anything., and what makes people think they will be capable of turning the Everton squad around as most supporters think 50% of them need selling.
We don't need someone who plays nice football and remains mid table, we need a disciplinarian who doesn't give a f--ck about reputations, we need someone who knows the game not one who is learning.
Please don't mention Moyes name he is the past we need to look at the future before we end up like Sunderland or Sheffield Wednesday.
I do not have an opinion who we should hire but German managers seem to be the flavor of the month. Bielsa with Leeds seems a good choice, but would he leave, plus he had the luxury of being in the championship league for a couple of seasons to build up his team.
It seems at Everton supporters want instant success, and that is not going to happen. This latest fiasco makes me believe that we are not giving any manager a fair chance of succeeding. The next one has to be given a chance, we are not Chelsea where managers are fired regularly with the understanding they have world class players and a new manager has to have results instantly.
Any new manager at Everton should be offered a rolling contract that depends on the position or trophies he achieves, if they don't want to prove how good they are to bad, get someone who will.
Eugene Ruane
827 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:28:25
Re 'we want someone who takes no shit', that's a nice fist-pumping, snarly-faced sentiment, but these days, will get you/us nowhere.

Whoever the next manager is, a lot of his success/failure will depend on whether or not the players like him or not.

That (as frustrating as it might be) is the reality of football in 2021

Moyes knocked chips on the head at Utd's canteen, players had him out of there.

Mourinho (who has 'won everything') wasn't 'liked' by Utd players, so he went.

Players are in charge now and the days of 'Shanks' or 'Cloughie' etc sticking players in the reserves until they shape up are long gone.

Once a player signs a 4/5 year deal for 50k or more a week, he's made for life and his manager can scream til he's red in the face, if the player doesn't like being shouted at, he won't perform and there's nothing anyone can do.

Remember Koeman tried the hardman act with Niasse and Niasse was there well after Koeman had gone (in the words of Alan Partridge 'read your CONE-tract')

Whoever can go in and get them to want to put in the sweat and effort and desire of (for example) Liecester will do me.

Neil Cremin
828 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:30:02
Peter @808
We could do worse as he would certainly not accept the efforts and mediocracy we witnessed in the past few seasons. I also understandthat he gave Jordan Henderson his break in Sunderland so has an eye for honest talent and leaders
Barry Jones
829 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:30:38
This is good news for the players and bad news for us in the sense that whoever comes in will probably need time to assess the squad before clearing out or buying new players, especially if its a coach who hasn't worked in the premier league before. We will probably have the same bunch of players for most of the season.

I wasn't a fan of Ancelotti, and like Mouirinho, I feel he was living largely on his past reputation. I would love to see Brendan Rogers take over, and we should go after him aggressively.

Derek Cowell
830 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:31:32
Sol Campbell! The diverse choice. Just imagine the ultra positive media headlines, until the first few games at least. Just lightening the mood!
Jason Li
831 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:31:36
If Poch doesn't go to Spurs then the media saying they will go for Christophe Galtier.

We should at least be speaking to Galtier as well in case Poch goes to Spurs. Nothing to lose by speaking to him, and not in contract.

Justin Doone
832 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:33:58
I can completely understand why Real Madrid and Anceloti are once again linked but I'm really disappointed in him going.

We have hopefully got some large compensation for this at the very minimum.

But this us football, we move on.

For me line up Mancini for after the Euros or give Lampard a chance. Both have unfinished business in the Premier league. Both know what it takes to win in the Premier league.

Andrew James
833 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:36:33
The next one cannot be chosen by anyone else but Brands. He knows what the squad should look like in the next 18 months and what system it will match.

Under Koeman we brought in too many attacking midfielders which meant we had no balance, then under Silva, we recruited the right players for his system but didn't have enough all round midfielders so that when we changed the system to a 4-4-2 under Ancelotti, he saw we were lacking so brought in Allan and Doucoure thus meaning the likes of Bernard and Iwobi and Walcott were surplus to requirements.

Knowing us, we will go and get a gegenpressing coach which won't suit DCL, Gylfi or James so we have to spend again.

No! No! No!

Get a man-manager without a "philosophy" who is flexible in what they can do. Blimey, I don't like the cheer leader type of coaches like Klopp or OGS but if that is what it takes to get a tune out of this bunch of under performing clowns, so be it. We cannot keep changing the way we play and then ship in lots of players specific to that like Bernard, Schneiderlin, James, Gylfi, Klaassen, Gomes...it is not sustainable for another 5 seasons.

As for our latest former coach. He seemed to spend a lot of his reign trying to send a message to the owner. The one advantage of all our purchases in the last 5 seasons is that we have plenty of options, many of which he would not countenance, instead preferring to play a defensive and stubborn brand of football and overlooking Bernard, Gordon and loaning out the raw pace of Walcott so that we had nothing down the right when James was injured for 3 out of 4 games.

I want a coach who gets the maximum out of what he has available.

Daniel A Johnson
835 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:45:27
If big Dunc doesn’t put his hat into the ring this time then he should genuinely go, I don’t see what he can offer apart from continuity in failure.

Big Dunc and Unsworth no ambition to manage just after an easy life on the Everton gravy train.

Jack Convery
836 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:46:47
Likely XI next season

Olsen
Coleman
Keane
Holgate
Godfrey
Gomes
Doucoure
Sigurdsson
Iwobi
Davies
Simms

Subs
Virginia
Kenny
Branthwaite
Nkounkou
Bannigame
Delph
Broadhead

Ian Mack
837 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:59:11
2 questions Mr Ancelotti,
What about wanting to be here when BMD was ready?

Do you still believe the ESL clubs should be docked points?

Ian Mack
838 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:59:11
2 questions Mr Ancelotti,
What about wanting to be here when BMD was ready?

Do you still believe the ESL clubs should be docked points?

Kieran Kinsella
839 Posted 02/06/2021 at 00:11:26
Peter/Neil

Keane is great at publicly and privately belittling and humiliating players. Beyond that his coaching career is a dismal failure and he’s a thug

Ian Mack
840 Posted 02/06/2021 at 00:14:38
Real Madrid will sack CA in a year maybe two - that is what they do- he won’t care as he’ll walk off with a massive compensation package.
Everton need someone to turn the club on its head and start again. Someone who doesn’t suffer fools.
A Catterick or a Shankly type - showing my age I know- or a Kendall (even he took a few years to get it right)
Don Alexander
841 Posted 01/06/2021 at 00:19:01
Moshiri has to be taken to task despite the half £billion he's squandered in backing managers (and their signings) of his own choice, or the choice of those he trusted.

When he arrived there was comment on here from one or two of us alleging they were in the know with some FF staff. They reported Moshiri was ONLY interested in "yes-men" who kow-towed to his own football "wisdom". Fortunately for him the club was stuffed full of such people, and still is, courtesy of we all know who.

Moshiri is ultimately responsible. He's a proven football imbecile if the terrible decisions were his alone, and a proven football imbecile if any of those football imbeciles he trusted are still at the club, as they patently are.

So Mr Mosh, are you this time, for once, going to take advice from some other non-footballing nerd called Einstein and avoid proving yourself to be insane by now doing something different than before in the pursuit of your now sepia-tinted three-year "project"?

The next manager, for the sake of the fans and any chance of success, needs to make it very clear to our man in Monaco that he wants USMFF and the boardroom to be routed of the canker that's enveloped everything ever since the Premier League was incepted before he even contemplates signing a contract.

Bill Gienapp
842 Posted 02/06/2021 at 00:35:39
This is extremely disappointing. Even though aspects of this past season were less-than-encouraging (personally, I was more concerned with Carlo's inability to consistently motivate the squad down the stretch than I was with tactics), the club is never going to progress without some form of continuity.

Anyway, I really don't have the energy to whip myself into a frenzy over yet another managerial search. At this point, even bringing Moyes back would likely generate little more than an apathetic shrug on my part. I just want someone who's capable of actually sticking around for more than 18 months.

David Israel
843 Posted 02/06/2021 at 01:31:40
I feel let down, certainly, but that's as far as it goes. The season ended up being a big disappointment, and Carlo often looked as if he hadn't got a clue, which was rather shocking. Great stuff all those away wins, of course, especially the one that matters most.

I'm pretty sure Moshiri will prefer to appoint another established name. That probably makes the Fat Spanish Waiter the favourite.

Phil Gardner
844 Posted 02/06/2021 at 01:32:03
Until the day the sentimental, old boys, sobbing clown that has presided over this clubs demise for thirty years is dismissed, nothing will ever improve. The end.
Jim Harrison
845 Posted 02/06/2021 at 02:05:41
I have just read a post, suggesting we maybe relegation fodder next season?


Seriously? Got 59 points this season, which most years is Europe, even 5th!


Had Carlo stayed we knew we needed new players, that hasn’t changed.

Relegation? Please.

As for managers? Poch, biesla and Simone absolutely beast their teams. Maximum fitness is a requirement. Trippier reckons the training at Athletico was tougher than Spurs. This squad isn’t going to be able to do that without an overhaul.

Bob Parrington
846 Posted 02/06/2021 at 03:18:53
In v late on this. Was hoping the rumours wouldn't be right. There has to be something behind this move that hasn't and possibly won't surface. This move away from Everton, and back to a team he was with previously, would surely put Carlo in the LOOSER bracket. But we know that is not the case.
Conspiracy theories please?

As for a replacement manager, why would Moyes be interested in moving back when he has just had his most successful year yet with West Ham?

As for the replacement for Carlo goes, if we don't get rid of the lazy, gutless, shit-stirring players within the current squad then it doesn't really matter who we employ as manager/coach.

On the lighter side, an early poster on this thread suggested the Pecorino guy. Can we sheepishly say it will be hard Cheese if we don't get him?

Whatever, we need to get a move on!

Matt Woods
847 Posted 02/06/2021 at 03:35:29
Gerrard??? What are you smoking?? He would be crying with laughter at the thought..

Poch?? Only Spurs..

Simione?? See Gerrard..

Conte???? Jesus fucking Christ he's just won Serie A...laughable..

Zidane??? Ever...who???

Bielsa??? Unlike Ancelloti I feel he is far too principled. Its also hugely disrespectful towards Leeds. They are better than us already under his stewardship why the fuck would he swop them for us??

We need to really get lucky this time, cause we know there is never any strategic planning at Everton.

Nuno for me. Knows the league, playing decent football and maybe has the potential to be the next Poch. He would also see us as a step up.

Yes Ancelloti came, he's 62 and left for RM. Sadly thats just football. However all he did was finish 10th playing mostly atrocious football. I seriously doubt he thought RM would coming knocking again but the reality is there are probably only half a dozen coaches in the world who would be ever considered due to the size, expectations and talent that needs managing.

Annika Herbert
848 Posted 02/06/2021 at 04:59:16
Daniel@ 672, just like the rebuilding job Moyes did at Sunderland and Man Utd? If you are going to mention the minor success he has had at West Ham, surely you should also mention the disaster he was at those two clubs? Not to mention the great work he did in Spain!

Moyes is our ex manager and let’s hope it stays that way. One good season isn’t a good reason to bring the trophy less one back to Goodson

John Boon
849 Posted 02/06/2021 at 05:09:10
I don't remember seeing so many posts. This situation has really struck a nerve. I was delighted when we got Ancelotti and I have never slagged him off, but I have to say that I have been undewhelmed by "HIS" Everton. This was not the type of football that lights up a stadium.

I don't know what he would have done next season, but that does not matter anymore. HE HAS GONE and we have to find a new saviour for the sinking ship. This is a pretty useless post because I have NO idea or recommendations about who might be the best option as a manager.

Quite often I have posted this opinion about the present Everton team and whoever comes will have to do something about it. "I THINK WE WERE THE LEAST FIT AND SLOWEST TEAM IN THE PREMIER". I highlight to give emphasis.Football brilliance is useless without endeavour and FITNESS.

I also think Ancelotti knew he would be leaving before the last ten games of the season. He really had lost interest and this must have affected his general disposition as shown by many dreadful Everton performances.

Darren Hind
850 Posted 02/06/2021 at 05:37:16
There could be a silver lining here for those who hate Holgate getting a game every week.

Carlo thinks he is the "complete defender"..

Bobby Mallon
851 Posted 02/06/2021 at 05:41:22
Our last 17 games
Won 7
Lost 6
Drew 4
Paul Davies
852 Posted 02/06/2021 at 06:18:50
On the subject of who replaces Ancelotti. I’ve heard a lot of people saying get Conteh. I’m not so sure. He wasn’t a bad boxer but I think he is a supporter of those that should never be mentioned.
Danny O’Neill
853 Posted 02/06/2021 at 06:29:31
I'm not even going to second guess who the next manager will be. I'll wait and see who the club appoint and then, as always, even if not my choice, I'll back him.

But; I do have a few caveats on who I don't want:

1. Duncan or anyone else from within. Stop this emotional nonsense. That's for us fans.
2. Him. The one I feel dirty for him ever having managed our club.
3. Moyes. He's gone. He never won anything here in 11 years and has failed everywhere since. He got West Ham into Europe. He done that with us and drank champagne on live TV.

And keep Kenwright away from this. Moshiri & Brands need to make this call.

In reflection on Ancellotti, I am hugely disappointed and feel let down.

But in overnight reflection, there are probably a number of things going on here. Firstly and, realistically, how does he turn that opportunity down at his age? As some have said, it's more his type of gig. Despite the reported financial troubles, only 2 points off winning the league this season and in the Champions League next season. Hypothetically, had they come in for a player, we'd have struggled to keep them.

I also can't help thinking the personal stuff may have played a part. Both in our later season form, and his decision once this became an opportunity.

And finally the fans. Carlo never really got an extended feel for playing in front of the Everton following. More difficult to connect and very sterile, but that goes for all clubs.

Let's see what the club comes up with next. Although this one was mostly out of our hands, just please stop the managerial merry go round whatever do next. That's why its so important we get this one right.

Tony Everan
854 Posted 02/06/2021 at 06:47:44

Danny , I have the same caveats .

I want someone with a pair of balls big enough to stamp his authority right through the club from FF to the First team . Like Pochettino at Spurs when he was manager there or like what Simeone has done at Atletico . A new level of professionalism and motivation is needed throughout. I want someone who will build a dynamic, feared and proud team and a clear Everton identity that lasts .

BBC have erased Everton from existence.

Just watched the Breakfast sports news.

1 Players released from England’s squad, they listed six. Ben Godfrey omitted from the report entirely.

2 No mention whatsoever about Ancelotti leaving.

Neil Cremin
855 Posted 02/06/2021 at 06:49:05
Kieran
Don’t think he did too bad at Sunderland and Ipswich.
And for me at Everton we have been too nice for too long and he would I still a bit of fight. He gets at players but I suspect primarily those who are not giving their best. Hasnt that been our problem. I believe he would instill NISO in the team
Neil Cremin
856 Posted 02/06/2021 at 06:49:06
Kieran
Don’t think he did too bad at Sunderland and Ipswich.
And for me at Everton we have been too nice for too long and he would I still a bit of fight. He gets at players but I suspect primarily those who are not giving their best. Hasnt that been our problem. I believe he would instill NISO in the team
Andrew Clare
857 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:10:09
If Moyes is appointed it will be a dark day.
Someone tell me it's just paper talk.
It is just paper talk isn't it?
Colin Glassar
858 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:15:59
The more I think about it the more only one name keeps cropping up. A man who has won almost everything. A man who is a ruthless winner. A man who will strike the fear of god into our players but will be respected etc...

Rafa Benitez. It’s humiliating I know but we’ve humiliated ourselves before with fat Sam so why not with the FSW? I hate the idea but he’s the only one out there with stature and a record of winning.

Andrew Ellams
859 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:19:58
It's amazing how much stick Kenwright gets yet there are still posts straight out of his playbook calling for Ferguson, Cahill, Rooney etc. I've even seen a post elsewhere calling for Neville Southall to get the job.

I want the guy from Lille or Jardim. I suspect I'll get Nuno from Wolves.

David Greenwood
860 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:26:57
I can’t believe there are people seriously promoting Gerrard. He’s one one trophy in nine despite having a budget 20 times more than all the other clubs put together, bar one.
And he also manages the most helpfully reffed team in Scotland and could still only win one trophy.

The St Johnstone manager would. A better shout ffs, two of the same nine trophies on a budget about a fiftieth of what Gerrard has.
Alan McGuffog
861 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:27:43
Colin...you make a good point but why would it be humiliating ? To me it would be highly pragmatic...a manager who could possibly take us forward. It would be making the statement that we would finally be getting rid of the concept of
" the Everton way"...whatever the hell that is. Sure, it hurt when he called us a small club. But, hand on heart, was he wrong ?
We won't go for him, mind.
Danny O’Neill
862 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:36:53
I've called for Benitez previously Colin. Not sure if this will be the choice though.

Two of the most talented Everton players I watched were ex-Liverpool, so I'm not averse to having an ex-Liverpool manager as much as that will dismay some.

I didn't mention Gerrard as I think that one would be too raw and controversial all around. And not just with us. There is a difference between someone like Benitez and an out-and-out red like Gerrard.

Aside from that, I reckon he's biding his time like Lampard. Earning his spurs and waiting for Klopp to eventually leave. I don't believe he'd be interested and I don't think he'd be a good choice.

Robert Tressell
863 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:40:46
What has Benitez done in the past 10 years to be even vaguely in contention? That one baffles me.

By way of perspective, we have the 7th most valuable squad in the Prem but it is a mess hence our 12th and 10th finishes in the last couple of years. With a net spend of about £60m we will rise to about 8th.

This would have happened under Ancelotti - and is likely to happen under, say, Santos, Potter or Ten Haag.

We're not getting relegated and we're not getting into the top 4. The last 18 months shows a big name can't just hire a magic wand. Money talks.

So we don't need someone to steady the ship. We are steady - steady in mid-table. We need someone to build from a good but devastatingly boring base by adding about 5 players with pace and potential and coaching those players.

Those 5 players need to be bought in conjunction with Brands, not in conflict with him.

Benitez is just not the man for the job.

Colin Glassar
864 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:45:41
I’m not sure BK would give his blessings to a Benitez appointment. Not only for the “small club” comment but also for the fact that Benitez demands total control over football affairs - not sure if he could work with Brands.

Rafa comes across as someone who is not a ‘yes man’, someone with very strong opinions who may not fit into BK’s Everton cuddly family world view. Nuno, in this respect, would appear to be a safer option.

Danny O’Neill
865 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:46:14
The crux of the issue Robert.

We need better players. We can appoint whoever we want. But we still need better players throughout the squad.

Moshiri and Brands; this should be a wake up call. I'm not taking Carlo's personal matters or opportunity to go back to Real out of the equation, but you could visibly see his increasing frustration in recent weeks with the tools he was working with.

Shane Corcoran
866 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:46:44
I just can’t see beyond Benitez as little as that rocks my boat.

For those that think the club are a perpetual laughing stock then our Roy is the man to keep the show on the road.

Martin Mason
867 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:57:10
i disagree with a lot of the bile about Gerrard. Rangers were in a mess when he went there and he has pulled them through a few difficult phases. He's learned fast and has upward momentum. Shame we could never hire him though because he's a Red. I despair.
Danny O’Neill
868 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:03:38
I don't think it's because he's a red Martin.

I think it's because he's too much of a red. And that's more on his part than ours.

As previous. Waiting his time until Klopp eventually departs in my opinion.

But who knows in football? Two days ago I was of the opinion Carlo was here for another 2 years at least!!!

Martin Berry
869 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:07:31
A lot of names are in the pot and with that in mind Graham Potter is a progressive Manager and Brighton have been plaudited for their playing style. With greater resources this man could become one of the very best, not to be discounted.
Martin Berry
870 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:07:32
A lot of names are in the pot and with that in mind Graham Potter is a progressive Manager and Brighton have been plaudited for their playing style. With greater resources this man could become one of the very best, not to be discounted.
Colin Glassar
871 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:13:43
Marin, not only a red but the worst kind of red ie a former Blue! Like most converts, he’s gone from one extreme to another like former smokers or gamblers. I have no doubt in my mind that stevie g hates us with a passion and the feeling is mutual, at least on my part.
Andrew McLawrence
872 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:14:14
Someone that hasn't been mentioned- Martin O'Neil. Discuss
Colin Glassar
873 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:14:59
Andrew, NO.
Dan Murphy
874 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:17:06
Carlo fantastic? No
Carlo Magnifique? No
Carlo Galactic-go
F**k off senor Don Carlo
John Keating
875 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:17:12
Martin 867
Correct
Rangers were still a basket case when Stevie G arrived and in a relatively short time with minimum spend he has turned the Club around on and off the field
He brought in people he knew as part of his team, one in particular, Michael Beale, he credits as transforming coaching, training and tactics.
Obviously the standard of competition in the SPL is nowhere near the PL but taken in context and relatively speaking Gerard has worked wonders
Martin Mason
876 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:21:29
This isn't just a matter of losing a manager; this is about losing 5 managers in 5 years, starting those 5 years with a woeful squad and ending the era with a possibly worse one. I believe that Carlo left because he could see no hope, his always positive comments had taken a sinister turn to the negative as the season progressed and we became almost laughable as a team. I attach no blame to him whatsoever, he'd seen the writing on the wall and it said get out of this place Carlo. Make no bones about it, we are in serious trouble and that could become existential next season if the poison inside the club continues its rot. Ferguson or Unsworth as manager? Never, they are the problem not the solution. Who then? The answer is that there isn't a manager on the planet who could turn around this club until it's reformed within. A big name? The worst possible criteria because they are all unsuitable to the job needed at Everton.
Andrew McLawrence
877 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:22:37
Colin lol, he's touted for every job that comes up! Whole thing is a mess isn't it?
Brian Murray
878 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:27:29
Colin. post 871. Trust me I have first hand experience of Gerrards hate for us. Tried bit of banter before the cup semi ( another one Moyes threw away ) Got a mouthful of abuse because he felt safe on other side of the road plus he had an audience ( did I mention he’s a gobshite as well ? ! ) nasty piece of work but we know what they are really all about. Anyway bumped into him again a week later. Had his little girl with him so let it go.
Bob Parrington
879 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:29:29
Duncan F has been mentioned but, although experienced by way of time in the dug-out, is far from sufficiently experienced in the Main Manager role. Equally, mention of Lampard and hmm! Gerrard, bring the same thoughts.

IMO We need an experienced but relatively young ballsy manager with a dynamic back room crew and an understanding of how to get teams fit for the trials and tribulations of EPL week in week out.

Have questions but no answers for some respects such as:

Worried that Carlo will try to attract Digne over to RM.
Like to see a clean out of MF but keep Godfrey and Doucouré.
Of course - new winger on the right. Isn't Pedro too old for us?
And a RB to succeed Seamus.

Paul Tran
880 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:37:11
This time yesterday we had a slow, purposeless team with a few good players and a manager looking increasingly hacked off and incapable of getting much more out of them.

His only saving grace for me was if, and that's a big if, he was going to attract the better players we need.

We'll never know and that doesn't matter now.

But ultimately, I'm not sure the situation's much different to yesterday.

Recruitment is everything. Moshiri is poor at it. Brands is patchy at it. They need to do better this time.

Gary Willock
881 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:37:58
The people calling for Gerrard must have zero self-awareness. It'd be shameful enough to appoint someone so despised by our terraces to begin with, but even if he did well, he would then jump to go take over from Klopp in two years and it would be an embarrassment we would never recover from.

Benitez I can accept. The ‘small club' barb was out of order, but it was a long time ago. Unfortunately so was his success though, so not sure it wouldn't just be too short-term.

Safest bet would be Moyes if we want to stay 7th-10th until we move to Bramley-Moore Dock, but not sure how that's in our interest either.

We need to roll the dice again I think. If we can't get a Ten Hag, then it's surely a gamble on the likes of Potter or Santo.

Marc Hints
882 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:46:28
Gary @881,

What you will get is with Benitez is zonal marking and we have been there before.

Tim Kells
883 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:47:43
I think we can all agree on one thing: what a mess. As for the Manager, no ex red shite please, that just wouldn't work. No Marco Silva substitute so that rules out Nuno and Potter. I doubt we could get him but Conte would be my choice.
Paul Hewitt
884 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:47:57
Gerrard wouldn't come here even if offered the job. He has a good thing at Rangers and will probably get the rs job once Klopp has gone. Why come here and tarnish your reputation with this sorry club?
Rob Halligan
886 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:55:53
Tim, no ex RS, and no Kenwright influenced appointment either. We need to get rid of these “In House” possible replacement options. Other than that, I really don’t know who I want, as long as it’s not Potter, Moyes, Dyche or some bloke called Steve Cooper from Swansea.
John Kavanagh
887 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:56:08
Stevie G la at Everton? Just fuck right off with that idea. I'd be like a Southport barman and attack his fists with my face (according to the defence/RS jury) before I'd see that piece of work at our club.
Martin Mason
888 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:56:51
Marc @882,

Surely all teams and certainly all top teams play zonal marking?

Marc Hints
889 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:01:14
Martin @888

Not sure do they, oh in that case ignore my last message

Mike Kehoe
890 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:03:53
The issue I have found the most unacceptable and infuriating over the last 6 years or so has been the casual acceptance of defeat and absence of effort from many of the players. I hate to see us lose but think it is unforgivable when players are clearly either coasting along, just going through the motions, or confused.

Team has no identity at present, just a loose collection of expensively assembled players. After enduring the dross of utterly clueless managers, Silva, Koeman, Allardyce, Martinez and also seeing a world-class abandon the task, I feel the manager's job should be given to Ferguson.

If nothing else, he would change the atmosphere and not accept a lack of effort; which would be ironic as he often seemed that he couldn't be arsed when a player.

Lynn Maher
891 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:14:53
Starting to wonder if 'I'm Leaving On A Jet Plane' should replace 'Z-Cars' next season!
Danny O’Neill
892 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:15:40
John Kavanagh, your comments on Gerrard are probably deep down what most think of that idea, I just suppose some were trying to be constructive. Great post!! The Southport barman comment still has me chuckling away to myself!!

On the zonal marking. Theoretically zonal marking should work better than man-to-man because the defence dictates where it wants to be and doesn't (shouldn't) get pulled out of shape by the forwards therefore creating space. Everyone knows (should know) the space they have to mark.

But it requires the right defenders, absolute concentration and taking responsibility for your zone.

Some may not agree, and yes, it's higher risk, but get it right and it is more effective because the defence are calling the shots to their own tune and not being dictated to by the opposition forwards.

Think of it like holding the line when defending a free kick. The forwards will tease and entice the defenders to drop deep. But a good defensive line will hold its nerve and hold its line.

Mike Hughes
893 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:28:28
ER #827
Re 'we want someone who takes no shit', that's a nice fist-pumping, snarly-faced sentiment, but these days, will get you/us nowhere.

Really?
Thomas Tuchel substituted a sub very early on in his tenure at Chelsea (just about 3 months ago) as he was unhappy with his attitude / energy. He set the bar at a group of under-performing players and they responded by raising their game substantially and are now European Champions.

I'm sure there are many more strings to his bow but I'm convinced that “taking no shit” is one of them. There are ways and means of doing it depending on the characters involved. To suggest that modern-day footballers can't handle it depends on many things.

The other side of the equation is the players' attitudes. Do they respond positively because they are winners or sulk and run to mummy? If they are of the latter variety then they will win nothing and need to be shown the door.

As I stated earlier on this thread, our next manager will most definitely need to use that skill appropriately to raise the bar here. Because the attitude and energy throughout the team (and club) appears to be lacking given where the fans want us to be. (There are very few honourable exceptions such as Coleman and Godfrey.)

But Nil Satis needs to be instilled in our club from Day 1. It has been missing for some time now from the boardroom down. We need someone to set the bar ambitiously and realistically – raise it progressively – and accept nothing less.

I don't know who that manager is but, in my opinion, that is the type we need. Not someone who excels at media training / double-speak and uses that same skill to try and convince us (and the team he is managing) that the dross we've just watched with our own eyes was anywhere near acceptable. That just lowers the bar as does the perennial "we must do better next time" (just 'kin do it then!!!).

(And not Stevie G. His appointment would not be acceptable for many other reasons.)

Anthony Murphy
894 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:29:19
First thoughts this morning are that the big appointment we need to make this summer is at board level 0 that should sit alongside ‘new manager' at top of the agenda.

Secondly, I think those making the decision on who will replace Ancelotti will see the idea of a complete reset is a non-starter – they will want someone to step in with character to keep hold of our best players and bringing in targets already identified (with some minor tweaking obviously).

Our recent history suggests that although Kenwright and Brands have their say, it is the majority shareholder who decides. So that for me makes me think we are likely to target another ‘Hollywood' manager and will see us try for someone in that bracket.

I would love to see a real left-field move – a Pochettino to Southampton, Wenger to Arsenal type move. It would at least look like we have done our homework and the decision rests with the DoF, which should be the case.

Barry Hesketh
895 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:35:55
Paulo Fonseca would and possibly should be high on the list of Moshiri's candidates, given he's a free agent after leaving Roma. The problem is that he might not feel Everton is right for him. I can't see Conte arriving at Goodison, he's too volatile and similar to Ancelotti – a cheque-book manager. Pochettino wouldn't leave PSG for Everton because he's too fond of Tottenham.

None of the up-and-coming British managers or even the tried and tested ones seem a good fit for Everton.

We aren't the club we thought we were and Moshiri and company may have to admit that to themselves too, lower their expectations and begin to build from the bottom up.

Where we find the right manager to do that is difficult to know, but we'll end up with somebody in the hot-seat at some point. As fans, all we can do is support him and keep our fingers crossed that he succeeds; how we measure that success will be contested long and hard on here and elsewhere.

At the minute, I would be satisfied if we can see eleven players that can do the basics right most weeks, a pretty low expectation for a club that has spent so much on so many for so little in return.

Rob Halligan
896 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:36:56
Lynn # 891.

Talking of songs and / or tunes, I've heard two this morning which seem pretty appropriate for us….

1) “Why Do You Build Me Up” by The Foundations
2) “Can't Take My Eyes Off You” by Andy Williams.

Okay, it's more the lyrics in each song, particularly the Andy Williams one, but I'm sure you get my gist.

Still feeling utterly depressed about the whole thing. Might walk the dog up to the park where I met Carlo's son-in-law, and see if he's there walking his dog for one last time before doing one. Kind of feel sorry for him really, after all, being loaded into a crate, put on an aeroplane, flying to Madrid, and then spending seven days in quarantine can't be good for anyone.

As for Carlo's son-in-law, I couldn't give a fuck about him.

Chris Woods
897 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:38:04
Whoever comes in I just hope he's seen us play a bit over the last couple of seasons.

If I hear quotes from the new man along the lines of “clean slate” and “I want to assess the current squad before we buy anyone”, I think that would finish me off.

Danny O’Neill
898 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:41:42
Barry, that's a very telling post and a very good assessment on the realities as to whether we could get any of those candidates and / or whether they'd be a good fit for Everton.

The more I think about what you say, the Brentford coach springs to mind. But would he leave now having finally achieved what they've been trying to for several years and their new stadium ready to go?

Lynn Maher
899 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:48:46
Rob # 896. Brilliant😀.

I don't feel quite as bad as yesterday, but still pretty disappointed. To be honest I really didn't see that one coming.

That's the naivety that comes with being an Evertonian.

Dave Williams
900 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:49:25
Having had the benefit of a good kip, I am still of the mind that this is a blessing in disguise for us.

He struggled with us last season, his team selections and tactics were bizarre at times, his almost contempt for young players by failing to name a full subs bench or two keepers on it was an insult and would not encourage the likes of Small to consider signing that new contract.

It was said by many from the outset that Carlo was a manager of top players rather than a manager who could build a team. We could never finance the purchase of the players he would want and he won't play youth which left us with the tired old lags he kept bringing on to try to change a game but who had no ability to do so.

He was not the right man for the job and has jumped before he was eventually pushed which at least saves us mega millions in compensation.

What we need now is a manager who will get our players fighting fit and be ruthless with those who can't or won't hack it. Someone who will give young players a chance rather than turning to the likes of Delph, Bernard, Gomes etc who do not have it in them to turn a game.

Whoever we replace him with is a gamble as all manager appointments are. Some will have seen better days, some will look promising but have not managed clubs our size with the expectation that goes with it.

My preference would be the latter – a modern day Howard Kendall Mk 1 or a young Moyes with drive and ambition who will not get dragged down by the inadequates in our squad. Someone who can be ruthless, who will get players fit, who will add athleticism and determination to the team. These sort of players are out there (eg, Godfrey) but will not be found in a foreign player who has already had his best years.

Potter would be such a gamble; Howe would be – can he coach a team to defend? Nuno is less of a gamble but did he peak at Wolves or is there more to come?

Benitez used to be very good but has he lost his edge in the way that Mourinho seems to have done?

Gerrard would be laughable (not!!!) and would damage the club badly.

Cahill has zero experience and Rooney little more which almost resulted in relegation.

Martinez would be interesting as he is now far more experienced than the last time but going back never seems to work. I think Pochettino or Conte would be a repeat of Carlo and they would be off to greener pastures pretty quickly.

The question for me is whether Duncan is ready?

Laurie Hartley
901 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:50:59
As the day has passed by, my attitude has changed from resignation to severely cheesed off. You did us wrong, Carlo, and I suspect you may live to regret it.

New manager – someone willing to get his hands dirty and train them hard.

Thomas Richards
902 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:57:40
Rob,

😂😂

Cheered me up there mate

Brian Murray
903 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:59:47
Only thing worrying me about Santo: Is he of the same ilk as Martinez, Silva and especially Ancelotti as he's a nice guy and we have been screaming for a ruthless coach who will get them properly fit at the very least.

I'm glad anyway the focus is on the way the club is run and people employed by us. Yes, you, Mr Kenwright – I hope you don't survive this one!

John Atkinson
904 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:05:08
Here is one from the left midfield. Apologies if he has already been mentioned Mr Wenger. Sure I heard somewhere he was wanting to get back into management. Moshiri must know him well from there time at Arsenal.
On the other hand we could go for Herr Flick. We could have Von Smallhousen as assistant. Helga as fitness coach, Renee in charge of hospitality. Edith as stadium announcer and lead singer and Gruber as defence coach in his little tank!!!!!
Tony Everan
905 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:06:52
John , And the fallen Maradonna with the big boobies as team mascot.
Brian Murray
906 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:12:17
John. Post 904. Listen very carefully I will say this only once. Coyb were Everton aren’t we.
Brian Harrison
907 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:14:05
Some of the suggestions on here for our next manager make me really question not just the lowly ambitions of the club but also some of our fans.
Benitez has done nothing for years and Steve Bruce has amassed more points than Benitez did with Newcastle so on that basis you should be championing Bruce rather than Benitez. Potter another put forward yes his team play nice football but they are round the bottom end of the league because he doesn't know how to win games. Gerrard well he has won a 2 horse race hardly a ringing endorsement. Santos, didn't hear to many Wolves fans saying they were upset he was leaving and no wonder they have been awful this past season. Ferguson, well he admitted he wasn't up to the job last time and cant think what's changed that makes him suitable this time. Moyes, my mantra is always never go back whether it be a player or a manager, as it never works out well.
Conte, brilliant coach but never stays anywhere to long and seems to have an ability to upset everybody he comes into contact with, but his sights are far higher than a mid table Premier league club.
Eugene Ruane
908 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:15:41
.
Mike #893 - possibly 'taking no shit' needs to be more specifically defined.

Firm but fair?

Fine.

Exuding a quite, calm air of 'I'm not to be messed with gentlemen', fine.

A hint of "I'm pleasant enough if you're all making the effort, but slack or drop standards and there will be consequences" - fine.

Wearing a very thick wooly trackie, a pair of Gola trainees, stinking of whisky and shouting "YOU'RE BLOODY HOPELESS!! THE LOT OF YOU SHOULD BE SHOT!!!" etc - probably not fine.

Brian Williams
909 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:19:19
If a so called top manager didn't work this time around and it's certainly fair to say it didn't then is a so called top manager going to work next?
Let's be honest we're NOT a top club, don't have TOP players and we don't know how we're going to be with regard to a transfer budget.
I think it's time for a touch of realism and having realistic aims.
I think, personally, we're miles and miles away from being a top four "club" never mind team.
IMO we should aim to improve and consolidate, aiming for fifth or sixth place on a regular basis before moving up further.
We've tried to run before we can walk, IMO, and it's backfired big time.
I asked earlier in this thread (I think it was this thread) if people would accept a "reset" with a younger progressive manager and a younger team with the acceptance that we're not going to become worldbeaters overnight.
Would people accept moving up just ONE place next season if we played attractive football and went out to compete on the front foot in every game?
Incremental improvement HAS to be the way forward IMO as trying to make that giant leap in a oner seems beyond us even with multiple millions of pounds being thrown at it.
If by the time BMD comes about we've made progress in each and every season then that would do me.
Then once we're in BMD and hopefully the financial side of things improves we push on further.
Not the instant success that seems to be the requirement in all walks of life these days but I know I'd be happy with some "progress" each season watching football we enjoy and a team we're proud of.
Robert Tressell
910 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:20:58
If we'd bought Zouma and Zaha as planned + Gbamin stayed fit, Silva would still be our manager.

We would be about 6th or 7th.

There would be general dissatisfaction that we were still losing to the Rich 6 and below Leicester.

There would be calls for a proper manager of experience to take us up a level - with complaints that Silva was just another Moyes but with a bigger budget.

The question we should be asking is what do you want the manager to do and in what timescale.

If the objective is top 4 and you have vast sums of money (£250 to £500m) then appoint Conte.

If the objective is top 4 but you don't have that sort of money then it's a tall order and will take time. That's not a Conte job.

Ray Jacques
911 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:23:46
Benitez or Mancini for me.

However, I don't think it really matters anymore as we are perpetually and consistently average. The whole club needs a reset, a spring clean, a re-boot.

Thought this had happened with Moshiri, but the underlying rotten underbelly of contentment and acceptance of failure remains.

We will end up with Dyche, Howe, Moyes or Potter.

Mark Murphy
912 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:29:07
We need someone young and hungry who will "get us" and then we ourselves need to be patient and let him grow with us. None of these mercenary club-hopping managers should get a look in.

I'm very very very angry right now.

Andrew Ellams
913 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:29:20
Robert, bang on. Silva had his defensive core ripped apart when Zouma and Gana were sold and never properly replaced. Richarlison was a much better player under him too.
Sam Hoare
914 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:35:34
I think, before we pick a new manager, the board needs to work out what our club philosophy is going to be.

Are we going to be a counter-attacking team or a possession team? Are we going to press high or soak up pressure? Will we focus on developing younger players or looking at good value in experienced players?

Once these questions are answered, we find a manager who suits.

Recently (possibly due to Moshiri's need for a name) we have lurched from different managerial styles to the next. Which is why our squad often feels so imbalanced. Koeman ‘technical' direct football with loads of No 10s to Silva's high pressing style to Ancelloti's deeper block and counter. With no-one having quite the right players.

It shouldn't be about getting a ‘name' – it should be about getting the right fit.

Pick a philosophy and identity and hire managers accordingly. Otherwise, every new manager requires new players, new setup and we are forever in mid-table transition.

Kim Vivian
915 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:38:19
Could we go after him... - Haven't really followed his mangerial career closely but Jurgen Klinsmann seems to have a pretty good win percentage with Germany, Bayern, USA but not so much with Hertha.

Germany P34 W20 D8 L6
Bayern P44 W25 D9 L10
USA P98 W55 D16 L27
Hertha P10 W3 D3 L4
56% win rate o/all


What do our US contingent think?

Germans seen pretty much on trend these days, and I think he could bring a bit of much-needed energy to the touchline. Would certainly get in Klopp's face.

I expect to see Nuno, however (who I was touting actually before Silva).

Ian Hollingworth
916 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:41:08
I am at a loss as to where do we go from here. Something is not right at Everton and this latest debacle certainly explains the end-of-season performances. Carlo knew, the players knew – and none of them gave a flying fuck.

Now the manager has gone but we have a massive problem remaining and it is that group of very average, weak-minded players (with very few exceptions). That same group who have repeatedly over a few years proved the words I have just used about them.

As they knew and quite obviously did not give a flying fuck coz they knew it means they get a stay of execution, then how can we trust them to wear our jersey with any pride.

So, for me, whoever the new manager is he has to buy into the Everton way and the minimum from the players is giving everything for the shirt once they cross the white line.

Sadly, I just don't trust this group anymore to do that, regardless of who the manager is.

UTFT

Mike Hughes
917 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:57:47
Eugene #908

Your assumed definition of “taking no shit” (you should all be shot etc) comes from where?

I'm not sure anyone on here has suggested we need a borderline psychotic as manager. That would be ludicrous.

I'd state it as someone with an air of authority - “not to be messed with” as you suggested or setting the bar / standards as I did.

But it can successfully be applied to multi-millionaire footballers as demonstrated by Tuchel.

That was my point if it wasn't clear to you the first time.

I mentioned it as I think that should be a key character trait in our next managerial appointment. Amongst many other “strings to his bow”.

That's all.


Brian Williams
918 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:02:13
Mike, I believe Eugene was just having a laugh with it. ;-)
Mike Hughes
919 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:09:31
Brian - of course he was ;-)

Dale Rose
920 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:09:42
My main concern is we need some better players.

The Euros are looming, which is a bad time for transfers.

Will Allan and James stay with Carlo gone?

Moise Kean is at PSG and still represents a considerable investment.

We now have no manager, and talk seems to be of recruiting a manager below the expectation of the club's ambitions: Howe, Dyche or Moyes.

The basis for a perfect storm. Or, in our case, where we were under Koeman.

Steve Brown
921 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:26:28
Rob @ 896, really funny. That made me laugh out loud.

Sam @ 914, agree completely. Brands should set out our footballing strategy top to bottom and tell Moshiri to butt out. Then all the teams at the club should play the same system.

Finally, anyone who thinks Steven Gerrard should be considered for the Everton job has never lived in Liverpool!

Ernie Baywood
922 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:38:07
I should be bigger than this, but I'm not sure I could support a Gerrard-led Everton. In fact, I know I couldn't.

I'm not sure how the media can push this idea and feel they have any credibility.

Or am I just missing something?

Danny O’Neill
923 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:43:07
I'm all for going German Kim. But I fear the best current ones are taken. The obvious is across the park. Chelsea nabbed Tuchel as soon as they had the opportunity and RB Leipzig's young coach Nagelsmann has just been snapped up by Bayern as their current incumbent heads off to taken on the national job.

For me, Klinsmann, possibly doesn't have enough recent club experience and likewise the current German manager Low, who is going to be available.

Monchengladbach's coach Marco Rose could have been a good look, but guess what, he's been already been snapped up by Dortmund for next season.

German clubs have a habit of doing that; agreeing manager swaps part way through a season, often player transfers too. We'd find it outrageous, they see it as German efficiency and organisation!

So, unless we go for an older more experienced name, I don't see many German options out there.

John Keating
924 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:55:22
Silence is deafening on a replacement from the Ancelotti out brigade
Kenny Smith
925 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:57:27
I thought I’d get up and maybe be able to make sense of what the fuck went on yesterday a bit easier but no I can’t. In some respects you can see the allure of Real but he’s obviously known for a while and that could explain Gareth Bales comment last week about how he knew where he’d be playing next season but couldn’t say anything because it would cause murder. Once again we’re shit on from a great height. I’m not sure where we go from here ? Is Nuno the answer, possibly ? He certainly can play good football. Eddie Howe is a no no, stinks of Mike Walker he does. As for Gerrard, imagine we offered him the job and he turned it down or he took it then Kloppppp left and he did an Ancelotti and fucked off. Same goes for Rafa. I’ve got no answers and clearly neither have the board at the minute. Anyway TAA made the England squad so thank fuck for that cos my Bank holiday Monday was nearly completely fucking ruined.
Alan J Thompson
926 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:58:17
I don't want Benitez as he was disrespectful with his "small club" comment and if he took the job it would merely prove him to be dishonest or hypocritical, all good reasons not to employ anybody. And I've never thought bringing anybody back as a good idea.

My choice would be between Simeone and Pochettino but I don't think the first would come and the latter might only be persuaded if you could convince him not to work for somebody who had already sacked him.

And the leader of the "Carlo out gang" in his utter negativity does not seem to know who should be appointed and his preference in the past was Unsworth which merely points to his complete lack of imagination.

Are we in a mess? Even if you disregarded the last six, is it, years then the very thought of Bill being involved in the next appointment should guide your thinking. Whoever it is to be then by all means throw money at him but have something written into the contract about performance expectations.

Grant Rorrison
927 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:01:50
Bielsa.
Derek Moore
928 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:01:50
Whom is leading the poll? I hate all the names on there and haven't voted but no way to see the results without voting. Is there a favourite or early consensus pick?
Steve Brown
929 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:05:23
To be fair, he was runner up in 2 cups in 2012. But he is 65 which might annoy Jonathan.
Bill Gienapp
930 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:05:43
Derek - Conte (19%) and Simeone (14%) are the top two right now, though also arguably the two most far-fetched.

In terms of "realistic" names, Nuno Espirito Santo and Benitez are both 12% and Dunc is 11%.

Brian Harrison
931 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:06:09
Obviously good players make good teams and managers have a main part in buying the players and setting up the team. The big difference between the top teams and there players is in self belief, when you sign for Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool you are joining clubs who are expected to win trophies on a regular basis. So players know if they don't do the business fairly quickly they will be moved on which usually means a drop in salary and in expectation. This I feel is the mindset at Everton, nobody realistically believes we can challenge for a Champions league spot or win a cup for that matter. So when players sign they know they are signing for that sort of middle of the league mindset, and most players we sign have that similar mindset.

The big lure for coming to Everton is that they will be paid practically what a top 4 would play, just minus the bonuses they wouldn't get for reaching a final or qualifying for Europe. So when players don't live up to expectation its near impossible to move them on as they are obviously not good enough for a top 6 club and the clubs that would want them couldnt afford to pay them half the wages they are on here. Thats why practically all our players stay till the very last day of their contract ie Bolasie, Besic, Delph, Bernard, Tosun and you could go on and on with this scenario.

Dave Lynch
932 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:07:40
Bielsa has a decent job.
We are not going to get a manager who is already in a good prem job.
We will end up with a forgien mercenary or an English journeyman.
Barry Hesketh
933 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:07:46
Derek @928
About a third have voted for high-profile foreign managers who wouldn't come to Goodison. The rest of the candidates and there is a lot on the list have varying degrees of support.
Mark Taylor
934 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:14:55
I hope not Moyes. That is despite me respecting his record far more than most on here. I said when he left, if we have a manager who can beat his average league position, it would be a good outcome. None of the many who have followed did so and he has shown this isn't a flash in the pan by repeating the trick with West Ham and almost getting them into CL. The problem is, second timers rarely work as well as before.

And if we are hacked off about Carlo upping sticks for a better gig, what would be the point of Gerrard? Imagine he did well, then if Klopp leaves, he would instantly make the much shorter journey across the park. You would have to be mental to intentionally create that situation, with the only scenario that stops it happening, is him failing at Everton.

Brian Williams
935 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:20:01
I hope it's not Moyes either, but a rather worrying situation has transpired at WHU.
Moyes is in a very similar position now at WH to the one he was in when he wouldn't sign that contract at Everton. Remember he put it off and put it off.
I'd hazard a guess that if he hasn't signed an extension within the next two weeks then "it's him."
God help us if that turns out to be the case.
Barry Hesketh
936 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:23:32
I certainly don't want anybody who has strong connections to Liverpool as it's a lose-lose situation. If we have success - extremely unlikely - they'll claim it as their own and if we fail they'll claim it was due to having a red-under-the-bed.

Besides which, how can Evertonians be advocating that Slippy should be anywhere near Everton FC? Even Benitez despite his experience as a manager would be fraught with issues and is he really that good? Carragher can do one trying to persuade Moshiri and Company to appoint the Spaniard. I'd prefer to give Martinez another go than anybody connected to Liverpool


Rennie Smith
937 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:24:45
I wonder how much influence Brands will have over picking the new manager? He'll want someone that he can work with, maybe even someone he's worked with before. If that's the case it will be someone used to that continental model of I'm buying the players, you just coach them.

If that's the case it may be someone completely leftfield, someone that no one has even thought of.

Danny O’Neill
938 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:26:34
I tell you what Barry. Maybe not popular, but Martinez as an outside bet. I'd go and get odds on that and the big gambler in me would be putting a pound on that.
Ian Edwards
939 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:36:29
Paddy Power has stopped taking bets on Nuno. Wouldn't be my choice. He is defensive and the foreign name doesn't mean he's any better than an average UK Manager.

Our fans need to get over the bias that a foreign name Manager is necessarily better than a British one. We made that mistake with Koeman, Silva and Ancelotti. Did Allardyce finish higher than all three?

Derek Moore
940 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:42:49
No Ian, Sam did not finish higher than Koeman.
Hugh Jenkins
941 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:44:44
I would go for Potter - if he would come to us.

I see him as being in the same mould as Moyes was when he first came to us - except that now we at least have some money to spend.

I also think that Mr Moshri needs to realise that there is no fast and sustainable route to the top 4 - we need to rebuild, over time.

That is why I believe a young(ish) ambitious manager, with EPL expereince would be right for us now.

Laurie Hartley
942 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:45:54
Ernie # 922 - you are not alone. I don’t think I could come back from a Gerard appointment. When it comes to football misdemeanours I have got a memory like an elephant.

Link

There are others.
I don’t think Duncan would be welcoming with open arms either.

Mark Murphy
943 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:50:22
JK @ 924
I'll bet you a pint the same names will be on here by Christmas as the TBC out brigade.
Danny O’Neill
944 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:50:59
I don't know why, but Nuno doesn't seem right.

Not sure I'd call most of his teams negative. I remember Phil McNulty's article the season they came up and he was praising their style and predicted them to finish 7th. Despite my respect for him as a journalist, I shook my head.

They done better than the much praised Leeds this season and, guess what? They did indeed finish 7th as I recall. That's why Phil McNulty is a top sports journalist and I post on Toffeeweb!!

But instinctively not for me or Everton.

I'm finding myself more and more saying who I don't want rather than who I would like. The Ajax coach is tempting, and I'm sure Brands has links, but someone mentioned earlier he's just signed a new contract. I also keep referring to the Brentford manager, but doubt he's going to walk out having just led them up.

I don't care where they come from or who they used to play for (apart from the obvious). Just think seriously about this one.

Andrew Ellams
945 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:54:56
Obviously never going to happen but imagine the fun we could have if Gerrard finally won a PL title but with Everton.
Trevor Peers
946 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:55:20
Crazy how some tolerated Carlo's cowardly shite, entertaining less football, but squeal with horror at the mention of David Moyes who can organise a team that would challenge for Europe, given the right backing.

I prefer Nuno myself, but even if it is Moyes, it can't get any worse than last season. Carlo's defensive tactics at home last season were by far the worst in the last 6 decades.

Rob Young
947 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:00:22
I wouldn't mind Martinez, I think. Not sure.

There's always a bit of regret with regards to his time at Goodison.
Make no mistake, he HAD to go in his last season. The man had completely lost it and hand gone bonkers, it seemed.

But. I always felt he did get us. He did understand. I so wanted him to succeed because I think he completely understood Everton FC and what it means to us.
If only he had know defending is also part of the game !

Will he have learned his lesson by now? Will he be better if he comes back? Bobby Brown Shoes. I truly loved him for about 18 months. He still feels like one of our own to me.

Stephen Vincent
948 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:02:47
I think we need a manager who will completely shake the place up from top to bottom, who will work with the kids and give them a chance. Conte would be the obvious choice, but would only come for silly money and a very substantial war chest from Moshiri and we run the risk of exactly the same thing happening again in 18 months time.

My left field option would be Thomas Franke from Brentford. Superb record with young unheralded players plays consistently attractive football and hugely successful over a period of time with his current employers.

Danny O’Neill
949 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:04:15
I think Trevor (well speaking for myself) it was more let's allow a manager to build his own team. We had to tolerate a lot of shite with Moyes in the early years, because he didn't have good players. He had to play with what he had. The difference is when he had better players, he couldn't go that step further. We'll now never know whether had he been given better players, Ancelotti could have. I do agree with my own sentiment and other posters here, there seems to be an element of mutual agreement on this one the more I think about it.

Ancelotti can organise a team. But for what we were aiming for, we didn't have good enough players throughout the squad. So we had to tolerate a lot of shite - no dispute from me there.

It doesn't matter now. Yet again, we wait to see who the next manager is and allow them to try and build their own team. But any manager wanting to get this team anywhere needs better players, whoever they are.

James Owen
950 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:06:57
Redshite must be laughing their socks off at this development.

Sad he didn't stick it out, but he had started to seem bereft of ideas and depressed in the press conferences. (Like he didn't want to be there 🤔)

Anyway, agree with comments on here saying no way we going to attract Conte or Pochetinno.

I say give it to Eddie Howe for a few seasons. At least we might win the Championship then after we get relegated. A title is a title!

John Keating
951 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:09:06
Mark 943
I bet you they’re on here before we actually sign TBC !!
They won’t say who they want or they’ll say someone everyone and their dog knows we have no chance of getting so they can spout off the “i told you so” shite
Rob Halligan
952 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:09:50
Ah, I see the name Allardyce has popped up again. Every time I hear the name Allardyce I think of a bag of boiled shite!!

Talking of boiled shite, there was plenty of it in the park today, it was steaming!! No sign of Carlos son in law though!!

Danny O’Neill
953 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:12:19
Rob. Go and help yourself to some dishwater to clean that mouth out. And not because of what was in the park.
Mark Murphy
954 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:14:16
Danny
"Phil McNulty is a top sports journalist "

Hmmm,

Shane Corcoran
955 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:16:40
I remember following the betting for our last few manager appointments and there was no sense to it.

On one occasion Martin O'Neill wasn't listed and then he was 2/1 favourite for a short period.

With all that said, betting on Nuno has been suspended for the last hour or so on Paddy Power.

You're welcome.

Danny O’Neill
956 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:18:26
Better than me Mark!

On a serious note I always rate most of his articles.

Personal point of view obviously.

I still can't think who I want. Just more who I don't want.

Tony McNulty
957 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:19:33
While others play Chess, we seem to be stuck with Draughts.

However, if Everton really were a board game, we would have to be "Snakes and Ladders."

Grant Rorrison
958 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:29:24
Ralf Rangnick.
Rob Halligan
959 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:30:16
If Moyes does roll into town, courtesy of a phone call from the teary eyed one, will he bring Stuart Pearce with him? Imagine that, big Dunc and Psycho Pearce! There would be no hiding away from those two barking at you!
Barry Jones
960 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:31:54
I'm not sure why people are worried about James and Allan staying. Its not as if they have been huge assets. Allan is past his sell by date and looks bang average in comparison to players of the same ilk, such as Kante or Idrissa Gueye. His pace is also lacking.

James' attitude leaves a lot to be desired. Sure he has some sublime skills but how often do we see them? If a game is a bit rough, he disappears and more often than not he's in the treatment room.

I also can't believe people are serious about Martinez. He is fortunate to be managing what is probably the best bunch of international players on the planet at this point in time. Belgium is successful despite Martinez.

Then there is David Moyes. I have great respect for what Moyes achieved at Everton, under very different circumstances from today. I think he would do a good job at Everton and he is a viable candidate.

Rafa Benitez? Do you really want to see that dour, defense at all costs style of football that is his trademark? People are decrying Ancelotti for that.

I think for a more progressive style, and for some stability at the club, we should pursue Brendan Rogers. But will he come?

Roger Helm
961 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:32:09
Very disappointed in Carlo after his fine words. It seems all managers and players are mercenaries and loyalty only works when it suits them.

Perhaps though it is good he’s gone. He is ok managing galacticos and even a side like ours when things are going well but he seemed a bit lost when the wheels came off after Christmas.

I thought Moyes did a very good job for us, despite the unsavoury nature of his departure, but I hope he doesn’t come back. Comebacks in sport never work, so Martinez can stay away for the same reason.

Ernie Baywood
962 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:33:49
The names being listed don't particularly thrill me, but I'm not sure when Everton last thrilled me anyway. Wouldn't have any reservations about Howe, but I'm not a big follower of Euro leagues and I know Howe is probably a lazy choice.

My guess is it will be someone I've never heard of. Which is quite a lot of managers.

Rob Halligan
963 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:40:32
according to the red echo, we have a shortlist of seven...............

It is claimed the Everton board met late on Tuesday evening to discuss replacements as a shortlist was drawn up.

Moyes was mentioned alongside Roberto Martinez, Nuno Espirito Santo, Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche, Frank Lampard and Vitor Periera.

Danny O’Neill
964 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:47:32
Grant @958. Shout of the day.

Contrary to popular belief, the man who introduced the modern concept of "gegenpresser", not our man across the park who followed suit.

The only issue I see there is that his recent role at RB Leipzig is more aligned to Brands' so there could be a conflict of character as much as interest.

But that is a strong shout if he's up to getting his tracksuit back on.

Jim Harrison
965 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:47:58
Thought to myself, what about Wenger, just as I saw someone else post same!
He's probably not up for full time management at his age (71I believe)

And post 910, Robert I think, spot on regarding Silva. Lost key players that were not, arguably still have not, been adequately replaced.

Last season injuries took their toll too. That and the fact that most teams figured out stopping balls into the 6 yard box removes the vast amount of threat that DCL poses.

Benetez? If Carlo is a past it busted flush what is this guy? He has fallen out with pretty much all of his previous employers. Chelsea fans hated him even when he helped them win a cup. He cashed in by going to China when he had a decent job at Newcastle. No for me.

Steve Brown
966 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:53:01
Rob @ 963, that is a truly terrible short list.
Danny O’Neill
967 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:55:38
Dear Lord.

Is that all we could come up with. Did they get that from watching Sky Sports and reading the Daily Mirror?

Kim Vivian
968 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:56:28
Rob 947 - I'm with you I think - but not sure!

I do wonder what Ancellotti might have done wth that team that Bobby had.

Kieran Kinsella
969 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:57:54
Rob/Steve

Amazing how the tabloids exclusively reveal the shortlist and it happens to be the exact same names they all lazily rolled out the minute Carlo speculation began. The same journos who all ran “exclusives” saying TAA had been axed from the 32.

Leighton Cooper
970 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:58:21
Just wondering, has Reals nutcase president officially pulled out of that Super League lark yet? Ancelotti was very outspoken about it...

I also think we should go down the Germanic route, seems to be the new rage. We have tried the Spanish, Portuguese, Italian Latin sorts and its not worked.

Rob #959, whilst I agree thats what our players need, I wanted to boot most of them up the arse myself! Unfortunately the pampered, precious modern footballer will down tools and spend more time on social media.

Kieran Kinsella
971 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:00:59
It’s a bit unusual there’s been silence from the club. Usually players are all over social media praising Moyes for going to a bigger club or lamenting the sacking of another lovely man. So far all we’ve had is a good luck meme from Thierry Small. Not even an emotional outburst from Bill or a Jim White chat from Mosh.
Andy Walker
972 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:02:23
If that’s the shortlist it must be Moyes, if he’s prepared to come back. Anyone else is a huge gamble.

We managed to recruit a world class manager, then something happened between him and Moshiri and he’s gone. Moshiri should be under the spotlight not Ancelotti.

David Hallwood
973 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:06:15
Andy Walker (#972) I don't think anything happened, it was the lure of Real was just too strong.

However he's inheriting an aging squad, with (allegedly) little money to spend, or at least not the mega money they're used to.

Danny O’Neill
974 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:08:38
If that's the shortlist then we have little ambition and will be looking for another manager in 18 months time.

I thought that yesterday Kieran. I don't like being a conspiracy theorist but something seems to have gone on behind the scenes.

There's personal stuff obviously, there's there professional lure of Real Madrid, but the body language of the manager and reaction of the players hasn't been right for several weeks.

David Pearl
975 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:15:24
So Nuno is in talks with Mosh this afternoon. Good option and he wont have to sell his best players.
Robert Tressell
976 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:16:20
The proposed shortlist is bollocks. I expect we'll be looking very seriously at the European market but because journalists don't know the European market they just come out with the same tired old suggestions.

One obvious thing - anyone we consider a brilliant appointment won't be interested. Include Simeone, Rodgers and Pochettino in that category.

Moyes too might very well reject our overtures given we rejected him 18 months ago. WHU have European football, a nice new stadium, the pull of London and a well assembled squad. We have none of that.

Santos and Potter have done what we require - overperformed relative to investment, developed players bought for (not by) them and played some good stuff. I expect they are under serious consideration. Farke and Franke, too.

Otherwise, if not them, the appointment will probably be from overseas - Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Potugal or Netherlands.

The only other options not getting much mention are Unsworth and Martinez. Stranger (and worse) things could happen

Steve Brown
977 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:16:29
Kieran @ 969, the ToffeeWeb short list has become clearer though.

Jonathan Tasker wants Graham Potter.
Ian Edwards wants Eddie Howe.
Darren Hind doesn't want anybody!
David Hallwood
978 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:17:22
Some people have mentioned Bielsa; not for me and the problem with him is that like Moyes, he's been given time to get the project right.

I think we are desperate for any type of success a manager would have to hit the ground running

Ray Robinson
979 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:18:06
Andy #972, how do you work that one out? Why is Moshiri in the spotlight because Ancelotti walked out? Do you have some inside information? Did Moshiri threaten to sack him? I don't get your inference?

As far as I'm concerned, Ancelotti bailed out. Maybe he realised that he'd bitten off more than he can chew. Managing a host of substandard players is far harder than fine tuning galacticos.

Paul Tran
980 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:21:04
Ancelotti got a better offer and took it. That's it. Same might happen with his successor, that's life. My phantom tenner's going on Nuno.
Danny O’Neill
981 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:23:13
The worrying thing for me is that Moyes' family roots are in the North West. It could be an attraction and don't forget, West Ham did effectively sack before re-hiring him so I don't think there will be too much loyalty there.

Anyway, let's not go there hopefully.

I'm still not convinced on the Nuno choice, however, taking my Danny head off for a minute, there may be some logic in the thought process. He's Portugese. We have built a South American contingent and despite Brands' Dutch background, that seems to be a market we have looked towards in recent years and may continue to do so.

Brent Stephens
982 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:38:08
Steve #977 - one of them won't tell us! It's more convenient that way!
Martin Mason
983 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:48:25
Just read that Carlo to RM isn't a finalised deal yet. Even the press have lost their marbles.
Mark Ryan
984 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:48:39
Realistically it doesn't matter who comes in, if they come with the attitude of " I'll blow some of Moshiris cash", it won't work, it doesn't work. I think whoever comes in has to stop the disease within Finch Farm. Why are we not producing young talent, what happens during training. Lets dig into the detail for a moment. What is Unsy doing day to day, what is he producing ?
Whoever comes in needs to drill down into the detail of the club otherwise it will continue to fester. We need to believe again. Stop revering the red side of the city and match them toe to toe. I don't care whether it is Howe, Santo, Potter, whoever it is ( and Moyes has had his chance with us and he never sorted out the underbelly of the club ) whoever it is needs to love this club and care about it. Perhaps Howe is the best choice as an Evertonian
Martin Mason
985 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:51:37
Nuno? Please no. He plays defensive counter attacking football, we can only do one half of that.
Brian Murphy
986 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:56:58
Honestly, I’m just plane pissed. Not specifically that we have lost Ancelotti but pissed at the last5 years where hopes were so high and bar Koeman in season 1 it’s been a shit show. Money spent and fucked away on shit players on big contracts and looking for a quick fix to the TOP 4.
I really have fallen out of love with Football and Everton. I don’t want us to go for another quick fix, big name again and off we go throwing money at the situation and we hope it works. We need to look in my opinion at an up-and-coming manager and give him time. We need to develop the youth players better and try bringing them through to the first team but please can we get some kind of football identity back at the club. I do not know how we play or what that identity is anymore.
Under Martinez as least we had a brand and style of play. Yes it got a bit stagnant but I feel that was down to a lack of money to freshen things up and move us forward again.
In relation to new managers the Potter idea intrigues me. I am not saying he's the right guy but he could be. If you look at Rodgers he did some good stuff at Reading, then Swansea and got the Liverpool job and then it’s been onwards and upwards. Potter, Chris Wilder maybe? Conte is the best available but not the answer for me. He wants to win now and we are just going to be back in the shits again in 18 months as that’s not happening for us anytime soon.
Anyway my point being is that I would just like us to have a spirit about us again on the pitch and a Team that the fans can relate to and get behind. It seems its been an eternity since that was the case at Everton.
Steven Telford
987 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:57:23
Does anyone know why there has been no mention of the compensation involved, with that much time of his contract, we should surely have really squeezed them, no?
John McFarlane Snr
988 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:59:57
Hi all. I take the view that no matter who is appointed as manager, some will be delighted, some will be devastated, and others, of which I am one, will hold back and hope for the best. We fans have no say in the managerial appointments, which is just as well considering the diverse choices put forward. My attitude is one of, "The King is dead long live live the King", it will be interesting to learn the identity of our next "King" adored by some, and despised by others. I must add that this decision appears to me, to have been in the melting pot for some time.
Joe Corgan
989 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:01:02
Steven 987: Nope but I hope it’s not because he had some kind of “big club” release clause in his contract, allowing him to walk away for free.
Steve Brown
990 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:01:11
Conte and Spurs in advanced talks. Love to be a fly on the wall when Levy tells him the transfer budget is dependent on selling Kane.
Danny O’Neill
991 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:01:25
Knowing Everton Steven, we'll just be glad we're not paying off a contract this time!!
Brian Murray
992 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:03:06
Never been convinced by Brands but our future depends on him getting this right. If it’s up to our owner and buffoon chairman I think our stay on the top flight will be at a huge huge risk.
John Keating
993 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:10:01
John 988
Agree
Whoever is appointed at least deserves a bit of support and respect.
Fair enough to be criticised if and when he deserves it but some of the bile recent managers- and players - have received before they signed has been shocking
Andy Walker
994 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:12:43
Hi Ray, do you remember when Moshiri said when he’d just recruited Ancelotti and I paraphrase, ‘we have a a great squad of top players we just need a top manager to get the best out of them’. I thought at the time it was total nonsense and a clear sign that Moshiri was in denial over the £100 millions he’d wasted on buying bang average players.

It was pretty clear in the last few months that Ancelotti wasn’t happy with the squad, he was picking 2 keepers on the bench, said at press conferences that he ‘wasn’t a magician’ and that his team ‘were better without the ball’. He wasn’t happy with his squad.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to state that in all likelihood Ancelotti had discussed the situation with Moshiri (and Brands), however if Moshiri still holds his previously publicly stated opinion that ‘we have a great squad of players’ what does Ancelotti do? Stick around knowing his squad isn’t good enough and that he isn’t supported by our owner, or leave?

I think it is mutual, Ancelotti and Moshiri have agreed to disagree.

Andrew Ellams
995 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:18:44
I've seen Sergio Conceicao's name thrown in from one source. At least he'd of got excited when the 5th goal went in against Spurs.
Bobby Mallon
996 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:20:44
John @988 I agree. I think Ancellotti was rapped up months ago the players got wind and downed tools. You can’t tell me that players agents don’t know what’s going on.
Robert Tressell
997 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:23:29
I'm with you Brian #986. I'm more disillusioned now than I was in the Moyes years. We've managed to deteriorate in quality since then despite being much more competitive financially.
Marc Hints
998 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:27:44
apparently Marco Silva was discussed about coming back! What the hell, that can't be true surely!
George McKane
999 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:28:47
After some radio interviews yesterday I am on Granda Reports Live this evening talking about Everton and Ancelotti
Brian Murray
1000 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:31:53
Ok George nice one ! Is mr blue bird still on your shoulder or you not in the mood for cosmic grooves at the moment? Let’s hope this a blessing in disguise somehow eh Coyb
Kieran Kinsella
1001 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:35:19
Marc

Apparently they talked about exhuming Billy Bingham

Marc Hints
1002 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:44:14
Kieran @1001

wouldn't surprise me at all! Spurs in advanced talks with Conte and we are having a chat with Nuno, says it all really

George McKane
1003 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:45:45
Apologies Brian and all - absolute cosmically radiated Blue Waves and grooves to you all - as Ma Joad said Ancelotti isn’t Everton - We Are.
Ray Robinson
1004 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:46:33
Andy ##994, you might be right about it being a mutual decision but I got the impression it was a sudden spur of the moment thing that caught everyone by surprise
If it wasn't, surely we did some timely succession management planning???

On a separate note, talk of Martinez coming back? Surely it's a phenomenal windup? I remember being at Stoke one mid week match towards the end of a season wondering how we were going to scrabble together enough points to stay up. Football being played as bad as anything even under Ancelotti. The players then fortunately ignored him, unilaterally ripped up his crap tactics, played to their strengths and stayed up reasonably easily in the end. How can this charlatan even be entertained? Sorry, my personal hobby horse!

Mark Ryan
1005 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:49:40
So doing the managerial maths, if Pochettino has asked to leave PSG and Conte is in advanced talks with Spurs does that mean Moshiri has tapped up Pochettino ? I'd take that
Gavin Johnson
1006 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:58:34
Mark, was just going to comment on the same thing. If Conte is going to Spurs we have to ask Poch
Danny O’Neill
1007 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:01:43
What time are you on George?

And can we have a link if we miss it?

George McKane
1008 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:10:23
Granada TV around 6.00pm this evening - - Liverpool One TV tomorrow- - will try and sort links out later - - not good at that - - maybe best to browse later - - just going up to Goodison for Grnada Meeting in next 10 minutes - -my basic idea is disappointment in all directions - - except the Fans who are tremendous and deserve better treatment.
Mike Gaynes
1010 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:13:57
Rob #896, just got up and didn't think there was any way I could muster a smile this morning. You did it for me. Cheers, my friend.

Steve #977, I haven't scrolled back through this whole long string, but are you telling me Darren isn't pumping Dunc for the job anymore? I'm shocked.

And to all those mentioning the name Martinez, please return to planet Earth. Bobby may be a little odd, but there is no way in hell he is going to give up the #1 team in the world a year before the WC (not to mention his TV gig) to come back to Goodison. No way.

George #999, do you need an agent? I will take 2% and a daily poem as compensation.

Mike Doyle
1011 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:15:13
George. Hopefully you’ll take the opportunity to put yourself forward as a candidate for the role.
Winston Williamson
1012 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:19:02
For me, In this order of preference:

1. Poch
2. Duncan Ferguson
3. Anyone but an ex-redshite

Ian Edwards
1013 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:20:21
Steve Brown 977. I have never said I want Eddie Howe.
Marc Hints
1014 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:24:59
Well according to a lot of reports Everton have decided there are only two front runners Nuno and David Moyes
Danny O’Neill
1015 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:27:34
Good luck George. I'll look out for it.

If Pochettino is on the cards, that's a better option than some I've seen. Maybe brings back and gets something from Kean?

I'm glad you said that Ian (1013 yes 1013). Now just tell me you don't want Duncan or Unsy!!

Whatever you do here Everton, just act swiftly and decisively. Then, as always, I will blindly follow you as I mostly done.

Dan Nulty
1016 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:34:18
Genuinely shocked that:

1. Anyone would think there is even a hint of a chance Pochettino would leave PSG for our shite squad.

2. Anyone would think Roy Keane would be a sensible option and wouldn't end in a relegation battle after half the squad fall out with him.

3. Anyone would think Duncan is ready for the challenge and has the experience to help us to be successful with the European football we hope for.

4. David Moyes. Really? As we know it never goes well when someone comes back. After the stick we've given him since he left anyway he essentially behaved the exact same way Carlo has, jumping ship at the first opportunity of a big job. Albeit he gave us far more years of service and stability and probably dreamt of spending the money we've given the last 6 encumbants.

Danny O’Neill
1017 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:47:05
Dan Nulty, good post. In response.

1. I hope that could be a possibility. He's just lost the "farmer's" league, which should have been nailed on with PSG, so doesn't bode well for his reputation. If Tottenham isn't on the cards, Everton could be an option for him.

2. Keane. Talks sense as a pundit but just as any of us could and would. Shite coach as he has proven. He just shouts at players and never got results.

3. Duncan. No. See Roy Keane. Over time it doesn't work.

Not going to 4. Just no.

Derek Moore
1018 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:54:30
To be fair to Poch, PSG were not far away. They finished second by a point. It was one from point six to the eventual champions Lille and taking nothing at all from third place Monaco that sunk them. In the biggest games they came up short.
At this stage I'd take someone who could get us to big games even if they did bottle them. That's almost certainly not going to be Poch in truth, but in my view we really need a period of just stability before attempting any spending sprees and attempts to crash the top four again.
Winston Williamson
1019 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:56:22
Dan, there’s 11 million reasons a season for Poch to come to Everton.

Duncan could galvanise the club, bringing passion, commitment and a us v them mentality

I agree on Keane and Moyes though

David Midgley
1020 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:17:46
Kim #114 he might like the Gormley Statues but not the Gormless players.

It seems a three way split.
Some sorry he's gone, some glad and some indifferent.
Some really good posts and also some of the funniest I've read.
Carlo recently seemed to have the air of someone who was worn out and indifferent to what was going on, not bothered and not interested.
Who knows what's been going on in his personal life.

He did raise our profile again around the world and for that I'm pleased, so we've been dusted off and are seen again
Personally I'm sorry he's gone because of the slap in the face he's given the club. However, his tactics, team selection and general management seemed poor to me. We needed a right back and a couple of forwards when he came. Never addressed in 18 months. Life is a four letter word so just get on with it.
He appeared to have run out of steam and ideas, I don't think it wasn't all down to the players as he had them going OK at the start of the season.
If he was a racing cyclist you'd say " He's taken the knock "
The European way seems to be change your manager on a regular basis. Their fans like us just seem to have to get on with it. In 18 months he's had £18 Mill. so going to Madrid for € 6 won't phase him.
We'll never know if he'd given some of the younger players
a chance if they could have stepped up a notch. They can't all be useless.
Whoever comes in I hope they bring some tactical ideas, some way of getting them collectively fitter and some younger players who will be thrilled and motivated to play for the club.
Like me we can all put our two penneth up. It won't make any difference we all know it but it relieves the tension.

I wish we had a cat so I could give it a kick down the lobby.

Everton, you're like Scarlett, you drive me to despair.

Matthew Williams
1021 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:17:50
Jeez...the candidates were linked with?,not very inspiring to me,I wouldn't want to be stuck in a lift with any of them!.

Why is Premier League experience so important?,some of our lads can't even do the basics!,there are other leagues folks,were my choice is no doubt planning his Hat-trick of league title wins.

Wouldn't cost the earth.
Would blank Kenwright totally.
Loves winning.
Would shake up the club.
Deserves his chance at the big time.
Play young players.
Instill some pride back in the shirt.
Would work well with Big Dunc.
Straight talker.
Loves a sound bite,very good with the press.
Funny fucker too.
Last of the REAL characters sadly still left in the game.

Or we can go for Nuno...sigh.

Ian Edwards
1022 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:20:08
Brands needs to go. The club has gone backwards since he arrived.
Terry Downes
1023 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:29:33
Looks like Spurs are a bigger team than us. At least they're trying to get Conte
Dale Self
1024 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:36:56
What many don't get here is that more instability and uncertainty puts us in a worse situation as it plays out. Don't want this guy, fine, which guy do you want? More than likely part of Carlo's appeal was his image which Everton and Moshiri did benefit from. So there is some need for a sensible and timely decision that cannot wait in line for other parties to make their preferences known. This is not the usual candidate search.
Darren Hind
1025 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:39:54
Ian Edwards 1013

Perfect straight bat.

These idiotic cries from Carlo's crest fallen acolytes for his critics to name an imaginary manager is reaching fever pitch.

Its as if by naming this Hypothetical candidate, you give them a chance to kick the arse out of some hypothetical figure and make them feel less wrong about Carlo.

As you can see they are so desperate. They will even make a choice up for you anyway. I've already got 5 made up for me and I havent cracked a light.
If they want to play this game of make believe leave them to it Let them put their own candidates forward

Its gonna be Nuno anyway by the looks of things.

Dale Self
1026 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:42:22
Carlo was tapped up you idiot. And it was far from determined that most of the cancerous results cited by the gobshite haters weren't influenced by talk of the tap up making the rounds.

Up your rhetoric or be seen as a cretin.

Danny O’Neill
1027 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:44:58
Everton's manager leaves and Everton fans debate who the next manager will be on an Everton website? And there are different views and discussion on who that should be, including Ian's very welcome views?

Not much wrong with that in my opinion. Very topical and it's been good debate / discussion all around.

Denis Hignett
1028 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:45:21
I bet there is a certain Icelandic footballer very sad Ancelotti has gone.
Contract up for renewal in July!
Grant Rorrison
1029 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:46:11
Darren 1025. How do you feel about it if it is Nuno? Is he going to fail? What's the Darren Hind verdict?
Peter Neilson
1030 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:55:35
Reported that Eddie Howe wanted to bring his own director of football, Richard Hughes, with him to Celtic. They eventually agreed only for Hughes to turn down the move so the deal collapsed. I can’t imagine Brands interviewing a guy who’s part of a package deal that would make him redundant.
Brian Williams
1031 Posted 02/06/2021 at 18:14:07
I think it's fair to say that we really haven't got a clue how whoever gets the gig will do.

I don't think anyone's a stick on certainty to succeed and it's much easier to predict failure rather than success (in our case) because we've failed a hell of a lot more than we've succeeded and success would require a huge turnaround in performance on and off the field.

Like they say in the world of finance "Past performance is no guarantee of future results."

Lynn Maher
1032 Posted 02/06/2021 at 18:26:36
George # 1008
Well done George. Great interview. You have definitely got my vote !
Ajay Gopal
1033 Posted 02/06/2021 at 18:44:35
Coward, bottler, looking for one last pay check - these were not words I would have used about Carlo 36 hours ago. But, that is how let-down I feel today. And these were the words that Darren used in his famous write-up. I guess he was right.

But, today is another day, and if you don't look forward to what's coming up next, then why bother, right? So, here goes with my views on the candidates being mentioned:

Moyes: no, no, no, no. on so many fronts. I don't think I can take it if in his unveiling news conference, he says inevitably - "My first goal is to reach 40 points, and then see where we go from there!". Plus, let us not forget, Moyes did to us exactly what Carlo did yesterday - abandoned us as soon a 'bigger' club came calling. Also, don't know if anybody else has made the connection yet - Moyes had his best managerial years when Alan Irvine was his assistant, including when Irvine joined him recently at West Ham. Now that Irvine has left WHU, I predict Moyes will revert back to being the excuse-giving manager that he had become towards the end of his career at Everton. Guys, let us have some pride - just say no to Moyes!
Nuno - I can understand why he would be considered a good option - PL experience, relatively young and had built a decent team at Wolves. I would not mind it at all if he were to be appointed. My 1st choice.
Graham Potter - this really intrigues me. I have always admired how Brighton play football. They are easy on the eye, but Graham has been let down by not having better quality at both ends of the pitch. A slightly risky appointment, but it has more excitement potential than a lot of the others. My close 2nd choice.
Eddie Howe - I admire him for what he achieved with Bornemouth, but I just think he would be more risky than Graham Potter. So, 'no', for me.
Pochettino - if there is ANY chance that we can get him, we should. I have no doubt that he would whip our players into shape in a few months and up the intensity. But because we have close to Zero chance of signing him, I have not included him in my list.
Galtier - he is another intriguing prospect. He might just be the inspired appointment that turns Everton's fortunes around. Don't ask me why? Just a feeling.
Conte - No - another Carlo waiting to happen, with less of the charm.
Gerrard, Benitez - are you kidding me?
Duncan Ferguson, Unsworth, Cahill, Rooney, etc - no - they need to prove their ability elsewhere before being considered for the Everton job.
Lampard - no, same as Ferguson, etc.

So, my preferred line-up is: Nuno Santos, Graham Potter, Galtier. (There is no chance in hell that Pochettino would consider leaving PSG for Everton, but in football, who knows?)

Paul Birmingham
1034 Posted 02/06/2021 at 19:18:36
24 hrs plus on and I hope we don't get Moyses and whoever is hired that Moshiri et al, do their full diligence and don't hire someone with no stomach for the battle ahead.

Everton is never an easy fix and whilst we may well never know why Ancelotti left, I sense this was a done deal over a month ago. His body language and aftermatch feedback was hardly defiant fighting talk.

But who knows, and I acknowledge I was happy with his appointment, on honest reflection, the football generally served bar a handful of matches in all competitions, was rank poor.

Poor players aside, the lack of shots on goal means any teams chances of winning are reduced.

So let's hope Everton make a good appointment based on shrewd football facts and personality, a stomach for the battle ahead and a sense of purpose for Everton.

I see Ben Godfrey is on the bench, for England v Austria, let's hope our best players don't get tapped up in the aftermath of the betrayal by Ancelotti.

Each to their own view and respectfully so, but that's my view but I suppose being honest I felt far more let down in 1987, when Howard left for Bilbao.


That was arguably down to the impact of Old Nick and their exploits in getting English teams banned from Europe.

So out with the old and in with the new. Onwards and upwards Everton,!

Rob Halligan
1036 Posted 02/06/2021 at 19:45:36
Regarding the Red Echo shortlist. Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger!

For fuck's sake, I see someone is now shouting "Brands Out!" When will it ever end?

Francis van Lierop
1038 Posted 02/06/2021 at 20:01:17
I was pissed off when I heard the news, didn't see it coming.

My vote went to Lucien Favre, looking at the results, there weren't many others.
Erik ten Hag got 6%. No chance. would you leave Champions League football behind you to play Premier League mediocrity?

Last season started off brightly but ended very poorly.
So it might be a blessing in disguise.

i would have no problems with Nuno.

Neil Cremin
1039 Posted 02/06/2021 at 20:06:36
Dan and Danny
Rather than say who you wouldn’t have or don’t understand people choices maybe say who you want and please don’t say Simone or Zidane. Be real
You may have done already (didn’t read 1037 threads) but I will give my evaluation.
I have said for many years we need a manager who will no longer accept nothing but the best from our squad of underperforming journeymen.
Realistically, that is what Keane would demand but is a risk as he also could walk away easily.
I remember suggesting Potter when he still was in Sweden (all the wizard jokes) also a risk but probably a better man manager than Keane
Nuno did a great job a Wolves, was able to find really exciting players and most importantly performed as a team. As I understand, he left because Wolves showed no ambition in the transfer market. He is no Silva Mark 2. Least risk of the three
Believe it or not I would not be afraid of Duncan, he really got the best out of the team while he was in charge.
Other options, prerequisie is an experienced manager who is committed or long time domiciled in England, which for me includes Benetiz, Poch. Lampard etc is still unproven and is used to spending big money to build team. If you are looking for recently fired or retired Italian, Spanish, French managers then you are running the risk of same outcome as Carlo, job tougher than tought and will take first option once they realise that fact.
Neil Cremin
1040 Posted 02/06/2021 at 20:11:46
Inclined to agree with Ajay’s analysis as being most realistic
Rob Halligan
1041 Posted 02/06/2021 at 20:40:12
Question is, Grant # 958. What did Nick say???
Grant Rorrison
1042 Posted 02/06/2021 at 20:45:16
Rob 1041. Thought I couldn't be any more depressed and then I read this. Great joke. :(
Andy Walker
1043 Posted 02/06/2021 at 21:35:21
Ray, I'm totally on the same page as you regarding Martinez. I never rated him when he was at Wigan and was pig sick when he became our manager.
John Skelly
1044 Posted 02/06/2021 at 21:48:57
Well he has gone a bit of a two faced decision, hope Recharlison and Digne don't follow him.
Anthony Jones
1045 Posted 02/06/2021 at 23:08:56
We are the absolute worst at picking management teams.

He wasn't worth all that money but this is a real embarrassment for the club.

The break in won't have helped.

Justin Doone
1046 Posted 03/06/2021 at 00:13:23
Luckily we have a director of football who can continue to acquire the players we need no matter who comes in to manage and coach them.

We all know the right sided weaknesses, as do our opponents. So let's buy some top quality players and then get a manager or coach who can get the most out of them.

No rush, get the best we can get.

Mancini for me, (I've wanted him for several years) as I think he can get the best out of our players. It's a good fit, similar style.

Moyes is the benchmark, not the solution.

Someone like Conte or a Mourhino type may help us win silverware, 2 years of rollickings followed by disappointment and another rebuild job. Not my kind of manager as I want stability and I was originally all against managers like that, but.. sometimes the club, fans and players need to be told to toughen up, it's all about winning. Enjoyment comes with winning.

Matthew Williams
1047 Posted 05/06/2021 at 17:55:09
British Gaffer...Andy Morrison.
Foreign Manager...Viktor Periera.

As for rest...YAWN.


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