Less than 18 months after he joined Everton as a surprise managerial appointment to succeed Marco Silva, Carlo Ancelotti has abruptly left Goodison Park to return to Real Madrid, the club that sacked him six years ago.
The Blue half of Merseyside was stunned by reports that broke late last night that the Italian was being lined up to replace Zinedine Zidane at the Bernabeu and events moved quickly today to the point that Ancelotti was confirmed as Real manager this evening.
It leaves Everton having to put their summer transfer plans on hold and scramble to draw up a shortlist of candidates to replace Ancelotti, with the likes of Eddie Howe, David Moyes and Nuno Espirito Santo among the early names being linked.
Zidane's decision to step down at Madrid had been on the cards as the 2020-21 season drew to a close and it sparked rumours that Ancelotti might be among the candidates to replace him, suggestions that the Italian laughed off during his final pre-match press conference of the season ahead of the Manchester City match.
The lure of Madrid proved too much for the 61-year-old, however, and it appears as though firm contact was made with his representatives last Friday, leading to a final agreement today that sees Ancelotti sign a three-year contract at Real which will reportedly be worth less than half per year than he was earning at Everton.
Everton's board of directors were scheduled to hold an emergency meeting this evening to discuss the club's next steps.
“While I have enjoyed being at Everton I have been presented with an unexpected opportunity which I believe is the right move for me and my family at this time,” Ancelotti said once the club confirmed he had left for Madrid.
“I would like to thank the Board of Directors, the players, and the Evertonians for the tremendous support they have all given me during my time at the club.
“I have complete respect for everyone associated with Everton and hope they can achieve the exciting opportunities they have in front of them.”
Ancelotti was hired in December 2019 as the result of an ambitious move by Everton owner Farhad Moshiri with the hope of building a team capable of qualifying for the Champions League within the lifetime of his 4½-year deal.
He tempted James Rodriguez to Goodison with the promise of as much first-team football as he could manage while also driving the acquisition of Allan from his previous club, Napoli.
While Allan is likely to remain on Merseyside, Rodriguez's future is far less clear in the wake of Ancelotti's departure, particularly given his recent injury problems and the fact that he has openly admitted he moved to England to play under his former manager.
Ancelotti stabilised the Toffees' performances in the early months of his tenure before the team's form dropped off again with the resumption of the 2019-20 season following the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in March 2020. Citing the need to overhaul the midfield, the decorated boss helped bolster the squad with the signings of James, Allan and Adboulaye Doucouré, acquisitions that sparked a scintillating start to 2020-21.
Everton were the early pace-setters in the Premier League and were still sitting second after Christmas before the season, not to mention the club's European-qualification hopes, was wrecked by a dreadful sequence of results at home in an empty Goodison Park. The Blues ultimately finished 10th after losing 5-0 to City on the final day of the campaign.
While Ancelotti's only full season at Everton was dogged by concerns over the absence of any discernible style of play and an inability to turn around that abysmal home form, he did oversee the club's best away record of the Premier League era with 11 wins on the road.
The hope and expectation was that with another summer to work with Marcel Brands and a first complete season with fans in the grounds, Ancelotti might have been able to lead Everton back to the upper echelons of the English game and to some long-overdue trophy success.
Instead, Moshiri and Brands must go back to square one as they seek to lay more of the foundations on which some stability can be built at a club that is now looking for its sixth manager in the space of five years.
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1 Posted 01/06/2021 at 05:36:27
I'd prefer he stayed as we must at some stage have some continuity with an accomplished manager at the helm but if he is to go then Everton should insist on at least the remainder of his contract as compensation and given their rumoured financial position that should be the end of all this talk.
As mentioned on another thread, perhaps his replacement should be that famous No 7 – Bond, James Bond – then we'd all be shaken but not stirred. With "M" - Moshiri, leading and "Q" with his funny ways and gadgets, or is that "K"?
It is all becoming the running joke.
2 Posted 01/06/2021 at 07:38:55
We could start with bringing back the Moyesiah (much loved and admired on here), then Sean Dyche, followed by Eddie Howe, Graham Potter etc...
Once we are done with the flavour of the month, usual suspects we could appoint a triumvirate of Hind, Edwards and Tasker to manage the team. After all, this management thingy is a doddle.
Arrivedercci Carlo, if you go, all the best, amigo.
3 Posted 01/06/2021 at 07:39:00
Without a big-name manager and European football, the only way we are going to persuade class players to join is paying through the nose to get them. We are going to end up getting relegated within 2 years I think if we get Eddie Howe as manager.
4 Posted 01/06/2021 at 07:58:47
5 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:22:56
6 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:23:24
7 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:29:54
8 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:32:21
Good point Barry. That is clearly beyond me. Good enough for Real Madrid, but not good enough for us. It definitely is a mystery.
9 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:42:25
He's a dynamic, forward thinking, progressive manager who will provide Tom Davies with a football brain, Alex fucking Iwobi with an iota of courage, and André ‘lead in his boots' Gomes with an increased spatial awareness and a quicker than sloth-like pace to his game.
After his third-loss-in-a-row start to the season, we can always replace him with our very own, perennial saviour, Big Duncan Ferguson! A man anointed by god himself, Bill Kenwright.
10 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:57:04
11 Posted 01/06/2021 at 08:59:14
12 Posted 01/06/2021 at 09:15:29
Ccan you remember when 2-3-5 used to be the only formation there was? Inside forwards, left-half and right-half. Them were the days!
13 Posted 01/06/2021 at 09:31:49
If Carlo goes, which I wouldn't blame him for, we should be in the mix for Conte or Sarri. Enough of this talk of Big Dunc.
14 Posted 01/06/2021 at 09:40:15
15 Posted 01/06/2021 at 09:44:50
Should he however go to Real, I dread to think who this club would look to appoint, I guess the same names will be bandied about as before Silva came, never mind Ancelotti: Howe, Dyce and numerous others who have won very little in their careers.
16 Posted 01/06/2021 at 09:57:22
And also let's not discard those other faves from over the years on here... Owen Coyle and Alan Pardew. The rich range of potential managerial talent is staggering!!!
17 Posted 01/06/2021 at 10:11:10
For all their financial concerns, they are still very much an elite club and (true or not) Carlo will see them as a better match for him.
Let's be honest for a minute: Carlo is at Everton because he got the sack from Napoli and we jumped in quick with a lucrative offer – he's not with us for other reasons that get mentioned (project, new stadium, family club etc), although these are no doubt part of the picture. Let's also be honest and admit that we are probably something of an embarrassment at board level and he probably thinks he's dealing with a bunch of amateurs.
Real Madrid may approach Carlo as they see him as a safe pair of hands during a difficult time. I'd personally be gutted if true – not because I think he's doing an amazing job, but more because it would be a shame that we landed a top manager and, for whatever reason, it didn't work out. There's a huge manager merry-go-round unfolding at the elite level so, if he did want out, he'll probably be able to find something else anyway?
18 Posted 01/06/2021 at 10:18:44
I think its not Carlo we should be possibly worried about with this decision, it his his wife and daughter, and possibly son, their preferences may tip the balance.
Anyway, its good to know we have many other top options like Nomacaroni, Giuseppe Lossalotti etc to replace him.
19 Posted 01/06/2021 at 10:25:00
20 Posted 01/06/2021 at 10:35:59
21 Posted 01/06/2021 at 10:57:48
22 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:00:22
'Normally I would just dismiss this as British press speculation but I see the Spanish paper Marca is also reporting this and they are usually very accurate when it comes to anything to do with Real or Barca.'
Sure about Marca Brian? Check out the following:
Scores of European media outlets, individual journalists and ex-footballer pundits rated and placed into five different 'reliability tiers'.
Tier one being the highest rated, tier five the lowest with the single sentence description 'Dont waste your time reading them.'
Marca is placed just one tier above that, tier four, which is described as 'Not to be trusted at all. These companies make money out of ensuring that you read them and they will make up anything to get you to harness advertising revenue.'
Marca shares the tier with such luminaries as Paul Merson, The Sun, The Mirror and Talksport.
Easy money making up and writing football rumours which get picked up and repeated globally, giving the false impression that 'there must be something in it if it's being so widely reported.'
23 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:02:27
24 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:12:14
25 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:14:59
"Real Madrid are considering hiring Ancelotti" etc etc.
There IS the small point of him having a contract with tiny Everton.
Perhaps I'm being over sensitive.
On another note a name I mentioned in an earlier thread is being touted as already lined up to replace Ancelotti, and that's Nuno ex of Wolves.
26 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:33:41
27 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:37:03
28 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:43:55
If I had a dog Id take him out for a walk but as I dont have one Ill stay indoors eating my toenails in nervous anticipation.
Now Marca (Twitter) are announcing it! BK to be named as interim manager.
29 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:46:41
Whos next on the carousel?
30 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:49:23
31 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:50:05
32 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:50:35
33 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:51:49
34 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:55:17
35 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:56:01
36 Posted 01/06/2021 at 11:57:38
37 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:00:40
38 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:02:36
He will turn the second rate players we have into world beaters.
A challenge for top 4 and CL is on the cards next season, but only if Ancelotti goes.
39 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:04:21
I wonder if Bill will be in charge of “scouting” the next manager? Gawd help us.
40 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:04:53
I am in parts relieved, and appalled. These deals don't just happen out of the blue, he'll have been approached weeks ago. He's treated the club miserably if it's true.
Having said all of that, I'll be delighted to see him out of the door.
41 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:05:38
42 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:06:04
43 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:14:06
Hopefully, we will get some compensation for him and (fingers crossed) he is replaced with an even better manager (doubt that) but if people think a dynamic young manager is going to get this lot playing gegenpress then youre in for a rude awakening.
44 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:15:48
45 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:16:32
46 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:21:00
47 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:23:58
Kante to Madrid ???
48 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:25:58
We seem to be a good place to feather your pension pot. How many manager changes do we have to make, was Big Sam bothered that the crowd was baying for his blood as he looked down at his expensive gold watch after another shit result? He was sniggering all the way to his villa in the Costa Lotta.
We have to settle for a manager a la Bielsa with a strategy and plan and stick with him. Who? Don't know. Someone who can turn water into wine maybe
49 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:29:02
Lets hope its down to Moshiri and we get another Koeman / Allardyce / Silva appointment.
50 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:29:26
If it's Howe I'm fucking finished with the shit show that is Everton.
51 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:31:36
52 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:34:39
53 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:40:19
Does he really want to select the first line-up at Bramley Moore and that feeling of belonging to a great project and the restoration of the pride of this wonderfully historic club?
If he goes then there is no hope for anyone in the world of football, just always the bottom line. I am 69 in a few weeks and sadly my cynicism of the modern game can not sink any lower.
If Ancelotti goes after all the talk, who is worth trusting again! So many of you may not be upset and think he is not the man, but whether he is the saviour or not, he would have run out the door and his staure as a decent man has been shattered for me!
I think I will treat myself to a season ticket at AFC Rushden & Diamonds ten minutes walk away.
54 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:41:13
If Real really want him then he'll probably go - although Real have their worst team in years and are struggling financially (hence needing the superleague). Their best hope is the development of Rodrygo, Reinier, Vinicius, Valverde, Militao and other youngsters which isn't really Ancelotti's bag. So we'll see.
As for replacement's it might be time to reluctantly accept we were never going to spend enough to get the most out of Ancelotti. So someone better able to develop players and get a tune out of crap might be a better fit anyway. Not blessed with lots of obvious options mind you.
55 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:41:44
Tomorrows headlines will probably be “ Oyston family buy Everton”. That would be so Everton.
56 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:43:12
If it happens, which I doubt - Sarri? Benitez? If we fancy a German - Klinsmann?, Nuno? Lampard?
Need someone to put a rocket up the arses of our lethargic squad wether it's Carlo, Duncan or someone else.
57 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:48:46
58 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:49:42
Patience awaits no man, or whatever the saying is??
59 Posted 01/06/2021 at 12:54:32
The flipside to that is that I do have some concerns that Carlo would want to sign more established stars like Ramsay and Pedro (yesterdays link) and that would be at odds with Brands wanting younger long term signings.
If he does leave we should appoint Santo. No compensation, and a very good manager who has proven his qualities as a premier league manager for a number of seasons. Take no notice of Wolves league position last season. He was unlucky losing Jota and Jimenez.
61 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:07:56
I understand that you think that some on TW are negative for the sake of being negative. But isn't it right and proper that some have different views on Everton and whoever is the manager at the time?
I've been looking at some tweets and posts on other sites and there is a growing group of people that seems intent on blaming the 'negative' fans for hounding out previous managers and indeed if Carlo leaves of his own accord, for his departure too.
We appear to live in a society where opposition views are not tolerated because every individual believes that they are right regardless of the quality of arguments put forward by others.
If Carlo leaves, that's football, we move on to the next manager and hope that they make a fist of improving the team.
I do admit that Carlo leaving for Real Madrid will inevitably lead to many 'negative' fans blaming Everton and questioning the ambition of the club and all of the other stuff that they spout, but sometimes things just happen and it will be Everton's response to the events, should they happen, that will be crucial for our future.
62 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:08:34
63 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:12:20
64 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:13:53
65 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:15:27
66 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:17:45
Big, BIG risk.
Staying and working with the EFC project has got to be more attractive bar getting burgled, the weather and some fans.
67 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:17:55
68 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:18:52
69 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:19:07
70 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:20:58
A great club as I've banged on about many times. Close to my heart. They don't own my heart like Everton, but they are always on my mind.
On my last trip out, February 2020, what was really impressive is what they've done with the old Park Stadion. They were renovating it to be the primary pitch / stadium of the academy. It now sits proudly on top of a slope looking down on the academy training pitches where the youth teams play and train. All of it in the shadow of the new stadium, which itself is impressive. And what an academy that has been over the years.
A great set up, just a shame I will watch them in Bundesliga 2 next season. They'll come back. That support base and passion they have for their club and their city will get them there.
It can't happen twice right? Lightning never strikes twice!!! You done it now; odds on Everton winning the league on the last game at Goodison in the 98th minute?
You distract me!! Back on topic.
We don't need to be changing our manager. Forget who it is / could be / want to be. Get better players and the manager will get better results.
But, whatever happens, Moshiri needs to own this now. It's his thing. Stop listening to the sentimentalists like me. Unlike other walks of life, with Everton I just follow. Lead me to the promised land.
71 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:21:37
72 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:22:07
74 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:24:55
75 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:26:51
If he resigns and walks away, then that is a different matter!!
76 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:28:24
77 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:29:16
78 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:29:37
I was thinking regarding him wanting ESL teams punished
79 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:30:08
BK - Martinez
BK - Royle/Unsworth
FM - Koeman
BK - Unsworth
Both - Allardyce
FM - Silva
BK - Ferguson
FM - Ancelotti
Therefore it's Bill's turn and so we await the return of the Ginger one?
80 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:30:39
Robert, Dale I like Lampard too, he is a serial winner with the highest of standards, seems a grounded and positive person who will be driven to succeed . Also, Nuno Espirito is ready to take a step up. Either would be good appointments.
Chris P Bacon , Enzo Macca-Rooney etc are out of our league and pay scale .
81 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:31:32
The team needs young, athletic, super fit players with a fair chunk of their career, and their best form, ahead of them and not players for who Everton is a comfortable last hurrah!
82 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:33:25
83 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:33:53
Strong rumour that Bill has lined up a smash and grab raid for Rooney with Dunc as assistant as he has been told he has done well at Derbies.
84 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:36:14
Only on ToffeeWeb
85 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:37:25
We have a DOF, therefore any incoming manager if we end up needing one, should be told that Brands will bring in the players and it's your job as the manager to manage them. Obviously, there has to be consultation between Brands and the manager, but we can't have any manager dictating which players we sign, particularly in the higher age group, unless of course, we remove the position of DOF, which if a manager like Moyes came in would be probably the only way he'd take us on again.
Coincidentally West Ham is looking for a Director of Football, even if Moyes renews his contract with them.
86 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:37:32
87 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:37:49
88 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:37:50
89 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:39:04
90 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:39:10
You havent jumped off the top balcony stand have you?
91 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:40:21
92 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:42:03
93 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:42:30
The huge issue with Carlo and previous appointments is the arsing around early doors none of them grasp the scale of the problem till it bites them on the arse 6 months later. The new guy needs to be briefed that only a handful have potential beyond mid table - Digne, DCL, Mina and perhaps Richarlison and Pickford. It needs resolving asap preferably before the first game of the season.
We need Carlo's decision pronto.
94 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:42:46
95 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:43:23
Absolute laughing stock this football club. Im glad I saw us win things because it wont be happening again for a long long time.
96 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:43:55
97 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:47:12
I was in two minds about running it, then I saw Lyndon had updated the original rumour – although I can't figure out why it's displaying the original date at the top.
Quite a slap in the face for Everton if he goes, even though I think he has been poor in motivating our players and figuring out tactics that work for them. Not much to ask from such a great man.
98 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:48:22
99 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:50:23
Don't bring me in to this argument. I'm not interested n the job either :)
100 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:50:35
Ffs can it get more depressing
101 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:51:12
102 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:52:05
103 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:53:19
104 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:53:26
105 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:57:07
If it happens then maybe Nuno has been the target all along knowing that Zidane was leaving and Carlo was wanted he left Wolves to bide his time.
I do know this we need a manager who will get the squad fit, organised and where everyone knows their role what is required of them.
106 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:57:53
Totally agree we don't want anyone at the club who would prefer to move elsewhere. I suppose it would be inevitable that the club would try and hold on to Carlo or at least appear to do so.
107 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:58:48
Carlo Ancelotti to Real Madrid, here we go! The agreement on the termination of his contract with #EFC is set to be completed, the two clubs are in direct contact then Carlo will re-join Real Madrid.
108 Posted 01/06/2021 at 13:59:37
109 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:00:53
It will be a sad day for EFC because, despite the lack of success thus far, his name caused us to be linked with the better class of player and the next appointment in that regard will be a step down.
At least if it is the Nuno chap recently of Wolves, he just might get a tune out of Gomes and bring in one or two more of his diamonds such as quality players he has brought over like Jota, Neto and Jiminez. We can live in hope.
110 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:01:11
111 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:01:54
112 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:03:16
I do truly believe that we had Carlo at the wrong time, he is not used to managing a club with a few mediocre players. He has always had top players to work with.
I think we should be looking at someone who will get the club in the Top 4 first, something like Rogers has done at Leicester, win something then maybe in a few years time with a better calibre of players look at a manager Carlo's level.
113 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:03:52
James will certainly leave. We are in a mess.
114 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:05:20
115 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:05:34
116 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:06:00
Farke, Potter, Dyche are more in the category of managers that genuinely improve players and get a tune out of shit.
Santo has proved he can coach a conveyor belt of Mino Raiola clients to good effect.
Martinez may have matured a bit but probably wants the Spurs job (as will most of the better candidates).
Failing that, probably some nauseating links to Steven Gerrard and, less nauseating, the likes of Ten Haag (Ajax), Amorim (Lisbon) and Galtier (Lille).
None of these look like a great fit - even for those who have a different opinion of Lampard he doesn't really look like an obvious choice. Dyche is probably the best qualified but not really an appealing prospect.
117 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:06:42
The new manager will not get us in the Champions League in his first season. The new manager will not win us a trophy in his first season.
Sack him before he gets the job. Save everyone a bit of time.
118 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:07:40
119 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:07:48
The main problem for a new manager would be an utterly shit squad, who neither have the quality to control games, nor the energy to get in the faces of the opposition and rattle them.
He'll either have to build a team around Richarlison, or around Tom Davies to get either of those elements. Which is not something that fills me with confidence.
Offer Poch the world, and a big house in Crosby.
120 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:09:22
Truth is, we can effectively discount differences of opinion on Ancelotti as a manger. Let's say we were flying, and everyone wanted Carlo to stay, so what? Chances are approaches like this would be even more likely to happen.
I have been a little disappointed in Ancelotti in some regard, not in others. There's no certain reading of the future but the probability that things may greatly improve over a period, is higher by a mile with this guy than anyone we've had in recent years.
"Instant" success just isn't a thing without City-type money. What a world we are in where being "Just" a billionaire rather than a multi-billionaire is inadequate to fight on an equal footing. And where the patience and understanding of this fact is equally absent.
Hope we all enjoyed the concepts of stability and continuity in our clubs/sport, because they've gone, expunged from the lexicon by global corporate interest.
Five minutes back, the Euro Renegades were apparently reigned in. Er... not really, it seems. On with the plunder. The gap is just going to get wider. Look at the transfer rumours around the "Big" clubs, the fees mooted.
"They" will likely get their super league in the end; it will just exist permanently and out of reach at the top of the various existing leagues. All very sad.
121 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:09:34
122 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:10:01
Looks that way, there are loads of stories coming out now that he is in advanced talks with Everton
123 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:10:12
124 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:11:27
125 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:11:28
126 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:11:51
127 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:12:35
128 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:12:42
I have on good authority from Darren the new manager is a busted flush but that's the only clue he gave me.
129 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:12:55
Looking at some of the other candidates touted, you may well get a shot, whether you like it or not!
130 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:13:36
"Mark, wake up, Mr Ryan, wake up... "
Oh no, what a shambles... dreading the next few weeks already...
131 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:13:43
Not if it's Eddie Howe. Darren rates him highly.
132 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:14:10
133 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:15:11
134 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:15:24
135 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:15:56
I'd be happy Potter or Bielsa. Howe underwhelms but I actually think he's a very intelligent man and wouldn't write him off. Whoever we get, needs to be a tracksuit manager.
136 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:16:31
'Paul Joyce has just confirmed it.'
That would be the RS leaning Paul Joyce who in October had a hissy fit with Carlo in a presser after the Goodison derby because our manager had the audacity to describe the Pickford-VDD clash as a football incident, simultaneously mentioning that James had picked up an injury early on by the flying Dutchman.
Pinch of salt.
137 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:16:37
Bielsa would be fun. Don't suppose Leeds would be happy to part with him though.
138 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:16:58
Due to the disruption, some of our better players such as Richarlison and Digne decide to seek pastures new and the new Everton boss is landed with huge problems before he even gets his foot in the door.
Wouldn't surprise me if Richarlison joined Real Madrid as part of the 'compensation package', as someone tweeted if Everton FC was an animal you'd put it out of its misery.
139 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:17:31
If it does, at least we won't need to pay compo if it's Nuno or Howe. I rate Nuno and while I like Howe, he could be another Martinez clone who doesn't have a plan B.
140 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:18:08
141 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:18:40
142 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:21:19
Ronald Koeman - 1 year 131 days
Sam Allardyce - 167 days
Marco Silva - 1 year 188 days
Carlo Ancelotti - 1 year 162 days?
There is the problem right there.
143 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:21:53
Blessing in disguise this plus there are a few managers available at the mo.
Whatever happened to Enrique the old Barca manager.
Personally Id like to see what Moyes could do with more money.
144 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:22:14
145 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:22:38
146 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:23:01
Ronald Koeman - 1 year 131 days
Sam Allardyce - 167 days
Marco Silva - 1 year 188 days
Carlo Ancelotti - 1 year 162 days
147 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:25:07
Hes been delaying signing for the Hammers as hes been talking to BK and Moshiri.
All hail the return of the Moyesiah
148 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:25:31
149 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:25:38
150 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:26:36
So if that doesn't show ambition and self belief I don't know what does.
But all Carlo wanted was a last cushy number with Everton according to some on here.
Where does the club go now?
151 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:26:39
Moshiri would have to be asking questions, but also the house burglary and robbery and perhaps other matters may be brought into account.
Well I had no expectations in this transfer window, as its every player going linked with Everton, but I hope that they dont go for Moyes if this sketch turns out to be true.
152 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:27:10
David Prentice has said that replacement talk is premature and also David Moyes is wide off the mark
153 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:27:19
All those whinging about what a shit manager he is, a dinosaur etc. will get their wish and we're back to square one all over again, new manager, new players, new budget demands, new staff. When we will ever learn that chopping and changing is the root cause of our problem. For the first time in decades we bring someone in who has the capabilities to build something significant, but no, people scream the place down because it's not an instant fix.
A sad day if (when) he goes.
154 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:34:32
155 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:34:42
Of getting relegated. Haven't we tried two of those recently?
Moyes? No thanks. We've been there before. Won nothing and gradually had our expectation played down.
I hope this isn't true but it's growing traction.
I'll say it again. Regardless of the manager. Get better players.
156 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:36:01
157 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:37:49
In the modern world, it's possible you could be all three :)
158 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:42:38
159 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:42:46
160 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:47:32
I hate using them as an example, but it took Liverpool to step out of the boot room mentality and reinvent themselves in the modern game to win stuff again.
If we think that Evertonians (mostly non native ones) will only ever win us trophies, we'll probably never win anything ever again.
I don't care where the manager comes from or who he's played for and whether he's played for Everton. Klopp never played for Liverpool. Ferguson never played for United. Mourinho never played for Chelsea and Wenger never played for Arsenal. Pep never played for City or Bayern Munich.
As always, first and foremost you need the players. But then if you want to succeed now, you need a fairly big name manager. Chelsea has just proven that. Lampard may have the potential, but it took Tuchel to come in and get a tune out of it.
161 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:48:02
162 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:49:45
If Carlo departs then the best of luck to the new manage as he will be taking over an absolute mess of a club. It will be some challenge to move the club forward, therefore, no matter who takes over, be it Nuno, Howe, Moyes, Potter, another world class German coach, I wish them well.
Of the candidates mentioned I think Nuno offers the best hope of success.
I don't think Moyes will leave West Ham, not with them in Europe and things having gone so well for him there. He might use the situation to improve his contract and his bargaining power regarding future transfers.
164 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:50:14
165 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:52:33
166 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:53:26
167 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:53:29
I really don't believe anyone employed in the game, at the highest levels, really concerns themselves with what us mere mortals have to say, be it good or bad. It's the large amounts of money on offer that they look forward to and if they get praise along the way that's a bonus. I had admired Carlo and thought he might do something for Everton but he has shown himself to be yet another mercenary in a pantheon of mercenaries.
Whoever Everton appoints to replace Carlo, I don't want to hear 'family club', 'nice place to work' etc I want to hear I'm here to win as many games for Everton as is humanly possible. All the other soundbites are meaningless.
168 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:54:22
169 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:56:56
Nuno Herlander Simões Espírito Santo! There is a big name for ya!!!
170 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:57:38
Ultimately, you need the players.
171 Posted 01/06/2021 at 14:58:00
Absolutely agree, problem is though its Kenwright most of the time that keeps saying family club, nice club etc.. and also keeps employing ex players because he loves being sentimental regardless if any of those ex players can actually coach!
172 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:00:54
173 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:01:46
174 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:02:26
175 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:02:39
176 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:03:44
I know ffs why not get Mike Walker if their the options
177 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:04:31
The phrase “world class” gets bandied about in relation to Carlo but if its true that hes asked to go, and I believe it is, there is nothing class about that at all.
178 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:06:05
179 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:07:00
180 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:07:45
Ill give him the benefit of the doubt, a bereavement, a house break in, coupled with an underperforming team. Some times when youre down the grass looks greener.
181 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:09:04
182 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:09:08
Mike Walker. Done well with provincial Norwich and at the time the latest, greatest darling of the English media.
That went well didn't it?!!
Watch the media clamour for Howe now.
183 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:09:18
184 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:09:18
185 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:11:18
My dogs are with me every morning at 6am listening, agreeing and nodding as I vent about Everton!
Really they just want the cheese cubes I take with me, but I have to believe in their loyalty to me . and Everton.
186 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:11:33
Thanks, pointless keeping him and as you say nobody is bigger than the club. Its better having someone who wants to be there and is a good coach.
187 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:11:40
188 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:12:54
189 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:14:07
190 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:15:38
How the devil enjoys making the dark side happy, Everton's form tails off in the closing months, culminating in a humiliating defeat at the Etihad, his faves make third place in the table and the two manc clubs get done in their respective European finals and now our first and possibly only world-renowned manager jumps ship at the first opportunity. I would imagine even the most optimistic Kopite can't believe those events actually happened.
191 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:15:38
192 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:15:44
None have worked, but over time the expectation level has risen! The money spend is a lot but nowhere near enough to buy success.
In reality, Everton are a top 10 team nothing less- nothing more. The gap between our good selves and those in the top 4 is millions!
This project still is very much in it's infancy and the long game is what it's about. The trouble is we expect too much and lose sight of the level we are really at.
193 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:18:08
Okay, different spin on this. Has the club decided to move here? This club will never fail to break my hope, but I wonder how much of a "mutual agreement" aspect could be in this.
Especially if there's any truth in the poster above's statement that we're already in talks with a big name replacement.
Just please do not dress up Moyes or Howe as a big name. Don't let Kenwright near this one.
194 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:20:48
195 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:21:26
197 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:23:09
Someone posted Howe was an intelligent man, so was Einstein but he knew fuckall about football.
I'm shit scared at the moment, have visions of BK at a presser all teary eyed flaunting our latest fucking waste of a contract.
Im am genuinely scared as well lads.
198 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:23:51
199 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:25:13
The Brentford manager.
You go one way or the other. Up and coming or established and experienced.
Experienced; I'd go for Benitez. I'll now go and get the washing up liquid and tooth brush!
But ultimately, give the coach the players. Players win matches.
200 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:26:40
It would also have the spinoff benefit of putting an end to Mr Hind's Ancelotti Out campaign! Till the next manager at least!
201 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:26:43
What we can be sure of is that we will go for an out of work dude this time if indeed Ancelotti goes.
202 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:27:46
203 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:27:54
204 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:28:35
205 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:29:02
Thomas Franke from Brentford would be my choice, although wouldn't be upset if it was Lampard, at least some of the kids would get a chance.
206 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:29:11
207 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:29:31
208 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:30:21
Why the fk do journalist keep on mentioning Moyes and Benitez?
will we ever amount to anything again?
why do we bother?
209 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:30:22
210 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:31:58
211 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:32:03
212 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:32:04
Bill just has to finish up the compensation package with the Sheikh (Bill offered over 1 million Pesos) and by tomorrow, Bill will have Pep in front of the cameras will the new away shirt in hand.
Bill also had a long discussion with another leading candidate Antonio Conte, who was also locked in discussions with Bill but he didn't match the ambition of Bill as he's only won the league in two countries, also he was rather rude when listening to Bill reminiscing about his time in the boys pen.
I can also confirm Moyes, was also having talks with Bill and Bill really liked his game plan for "getting out alive" at Mordor and Old Trafford but he's very much second choice and provided no last minute hiccups with the Pep deal he won't be returning as manager.
213 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:32:30
214 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:32:35
215 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:33:28
I wonder how they were able to gauge when it went from 98 to 99%.
216 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:34:20
I'll admit, not followed them a lot as most of the inherited family are Villa, but when I have seen them over the past few years, they've played some good stuff. Their midfielders in particular have played positive football.
Admittedly, they had a poor season this year. Worse than ours.
But I'll agree. I don't know why, but I just don't instinctively see a connection there for him to be Everton manager.
217 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:34:22
218 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:34:59
Gary Megson...come on down
219 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:35:13
or 499.99% done deal, using modern parlance!
220 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:36:00
221 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:37:34
It was me that said Howe was an intelligent man. I could add hungry, motivated and meticulous to that list of adjectives. I'd have concerns about his flexibility though, as others have mentioned.
As for Potter. Brighton had the forth highest XP in the league last year. They create chances and play great football. Most of the players on the team have increased in value, some considerably. He's made Brighton a fairly comfortable Premier League side and his career is on an upward curve. Young, hungry and yes, wait for it. . . Bright!
222 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:38:12
Scary times. I just hope the new man has the power and courage to tell Moshiri what players he wants.
No way do I want to see an Eddie Howe steady type with Brands bringing the likes of McNeil in for him as top players.
223 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:40:08
500 the latest one, replacing the previous favourite, "110%".
224 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:41:01
225 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:41:53
So I still like Ten Haag the best but we seem to now be the ruin of many a manager. Whether it would work out is anyone's guess.
226 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:42:18
Here's one quote:
"Would be just what Everton need to be honest, though I don't think the way we played last season will excite their fans. However we were electric for large parts of our first two seasons back in the PL."
They also seem to think we'd be in for Neves.
227 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:43:13
228 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:44:54
229 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:44:58
Why would the Brentford manager leave after taking them up?
Why would Potter leave a stable club for us?
My money is still on Dour Dave with Lampard going back to his boyhood club... these are very scary times for us.
For the record I would like Nuno, he's suffered a poor season and a lot of injuries to boot and still managed a decent placing all considered.
230 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:46:15
231 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:47:41
Shit, back to fish puns now
232 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:48:48
233 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:49:01
234 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:49:10
If we stumble on as a club the way we have for the last few years, regardless of who we appoint as manager, there is only one likely destination and it isn't Bramley Moore.
235 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:49:20
236 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:50:38
Duncan can enthuse everyone for a game or two before realising the players aren't good enough.
Jagielka can put his arm around the players when they haven't performed and tell them it's okay, don't listen to the nasty crowd. "Don't listen to them Ross" or whatever it was he said.
If we revert to type here I will be fuming. If this is happening, we had best be thinking externally.
There are enough sentinmental old boys in the system. Move on Everton.
237 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:50:54
238 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:51:25
You seem like you are really in tuna with everything that's going on.
239 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:52:29
The reason I am looking at it in that way is because only very recently he quashed these rumours stating he was happy at Everton Football Club.
If this is true, I will be sad because it means maybe ripping up one plan and having to start another which puts us back in both terms of recruitment strategies and players wanting to sign who now, without Carlo, may not want to.
If it's true, I wish him a fond Farewell.
240 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:52:40
241 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:53:23
In all seriousness, though, if he goes, he goes. Get someone else in and give them our full support. If Carlo stays, we also give him our full support. Football and life move on.
242 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:53:59
New manager will want new players and we all know how long that takes at EFC.
Eddie Howe is awful. It will be as funny as fuck if it's Moyes tho… just to see the faces on the "Kenwright isn't involved anymore" sheep.
Absolute laughing stock of a football club.
243 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:54:02
Win-win for the players as they get at least another year to convince a new manager of how bad they are.
244 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:55:13
Like banging your head against a brick wall repeatedly. Then still coming back for more.
245 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:56:02
I think it's telling if we don't stand in his way. While we had some great moments last season but I can't help thinking Moshiri would be concerned by the home form and where we eventually finished. If we had a poor start next season like Koeman and Silva in their 2nd season it would be a massive pay out if Carlo was sacked.
I'd love us to aim for the stars again, but the next appointment will probably be Howe, Moyes or Nuno.
246 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:56:34
I never mentioned the Brentford manager but just so we are clear, you don't think himself or Potter would leave Brentford or Brighton respectively, to become Everton Manager???
As it stands today, we are still a step-up from these teams. The fact that those two clubs are even in the same league as Everton, literally and figuratively, is a testament to the managers.
And I'm also in the camp that would welcome Moyes back. It should have been Moyes after Koeman.
247 Posted 01/06/2021 at 15:57:15
Carlo's signings won't be happy alongside Bobby's. The big guy who was really working at Barca all the time's players, Gravyboat Sam's, and Marco Copper's too.
We'll have a squad made up of players brought in on separate promises, styles and intentions that never materialised.
248 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:01:03
We can't compete due to the crazy money the top clubs spend and the Premier League no longer holds any interest to me – what's the point anymore? Football is dying, at least top-flight footy is. My kids have no interest in watching players roll around cheating and faking. I might as well quit my habit now and move on.
249 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:02:22
Granted, there are not a lot of options out there right now, but I think the next appointment has got to be someone who can work with the team we have right now (albeit with hopefully a few additions like a right full-back and right-winger). I fear another attempt at a full upheaval will just be a waste of time.
So, I think that means someone who will continue to prioritize defensive solidity (as much as we want free-flowing, attacking football), while hopefully being able to provide service to our attackers through, at the very least, quick, powerful counters (assuming we can't keep sustained possession up the pitch). While I suggested his name with tongue firmly in cheek, Marcelino may actually fit that bill.
If we can't find someone with a "name", though, perhaps appointing Big Dunc may not be the worst option. It struck me that in a recent interview, Calvert-Lewin said his favorite Everton game thus far was the one where we beat Chelsea because Dunc was so passionate on the sidelines. He clearly has a connection with the young players, so it may not be the craziest idea.
250 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:03:21
251 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:03:45
I believe that we should go young and English, like Potter or Parker (for example), with potential and develop him, they can be no worse than the failures that we've taken on and made rich.
We aren't a Champions League side and are years away so why appoint a proven Champions League Manager. I personally would welcome Gerrard.
252 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:06:24
Ancelotti is too big for Everton. Let's get one of the new kids on the block. (Thats not a dig at you, Martin.)
253 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:08:30
254 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:09:24
For me, it would be Bielsa, Moyes or Nagelsmann (if he would come to us).
Very few good managers around so, after that, it would be a difficult job finding anyone decent enough to get us anywhere near Europe.
255 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:09:34
But Diego Martinez has not renewed with Granada & is looking for a new project. As a Granada season ticket holder I can say he did a good job with little money.
His Granada team did a better job home & away against Man Utd than we did. Just another name to add to the pot.
256 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:09:44
What next for James and Allan??? This will be catastrophic for Everton.
We will be relegation candidates, forget the stadium as well.
257 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:10:02
I agree with you completely.
258 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:10:49
259 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:11:30
So it makes us small-time, which some would rather have.
Let's be small Everton with our Everton only hierarchy that we criticise but then want an Everton only dugout along with Everton only players on the pitch.
Sorry. I'm very disappointed and angry about this development as much as I've no doubt some will be happy. As long as we can carry on being plucky Everton. Fuck me the Kopites will be happy with this.
We had best come up with a suitable replacement and in my opinion, that had best not be Eddie Howe, Duncan Ferguson, David Unsworth and god forbid, David Moyes. Take ownership, Mr Moshiri.
260 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:11:35
A few posters have bandied the same names, all of who IMO (I stress) would be unsuitable or would not leave their respective clubs.
The Brentford manager has built his own squad and would surely want to see what he can do in the Premier League with them. Potter appears to be decent and loyal man who is building a project in his own way, the way he did in Scandinavia.
We have to lose this perceived "Big club" mindset, we are also-rans and have been for years.
I say that with a heavy heart because, at 60 years old, I've seen us win domestic leagues, cups and European trophies.
261 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:23
It will work out better for us and better for Ancelotti.
262 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:31
If he leaves its an absolute disaster. Anyone who has wanted this outcome is simply nuts. James wont want to stay. Allan is unlikely to want to stick around, and Id hazard a guess Richie will want a move off the back of it too (albeit he has a World Cup to worry about so we have some leverage against form).
Like them or not, we have enough to do with the squad without losing those lot as well. New manager will also need time to assess the squad, which will mean left over transfer pickings later on in the window. The message it sends to prospective new players is horrendous too.
Moving forward the manager options all have problems:
Howe - took club down despite money
Nuno - Wolves fed by an agent.
Moyes - would divide us all
Rafa - see Moyes
Ferguson - players big brother.
Lampard - what makes him any better than a Tim Cahill.
Martinez 2 - after euros is too late and has he learned to defend?
“Another big name” - to be Ancelottid again in 18 months?
Its a horror show every way you look at it. The only ones I can see without too much baggage would be potter and Dyche….and half of us will moan about them being lower team managers. Dont think we have a choice but to gamble again. Scary times.
263 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:33
This is four managers he "really wanted" and it hasn't worked yet.
264 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:37
265 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:38
All of our managers signed players, but the art of management in any field is to make the best of your resources. Every manager can't have a billion pounds to spend on his fantasy eleven and, at the same time, sell on the players he now decides he doesn't want from the ancien regime.
Whoever comes in may have to make Rodriguez more resilient, Doucouré more skilful, Iwobi... just more. If resources were unlimited, each manager could sign their fantasy side and it might be quite easy. Read Paul the Esk's brilliant article on Everton's real world economics.
Whoever is the next manager has to work within restraints, has to work against the backcloth of financing and building a new stadium, and with a fair number of ageing players who will be reluctant to move on.
I think there's a case for Ferguson being given a 2-year contract. He knows what he's got and hasn't got and is, based on his short spell in charge, pragmatic and respected by the players.
266 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:12:45
267 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:13:04
268 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:15:39
Hes already managed Real Madrid.
Hes already won everything in world football.
Why would you go back?
He couldve waited his time out after Napoli for the next big job, or gone to Arsenal.
Or, has his time at Everton made him realise hes not the next Brendan Rodgers, and would rather spend his twilight years managing Galaticos?
269 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:16:30
Who knows... this might be the making of us.
270 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:17:05
We never stop believing we're a big club. Manchester United never did and in my childhood I didn't experience them winning the league but did see them get relegated.
That's the crux of the problem. We are a big club. We need to behave like one.
271 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:19:02
272 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:21:41
273 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:23:17
274 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:23:35
275 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:24:57
276 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:25:33
277 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:26:18
Maybe today's events have coloured my thinking... I don't know? I'm just sick of being kicked in the bollocks time and time again by a club I have invested my whole life supporting and following to every corner of this continent.
I am slowly being drained of any compassion for a club that cannot get the basic principles right.
278 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:26:51
279 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:26:52
I have called this right from the start.
Nobody should shed any tears.
12th and 10th!
In Carlo we trust ! Seriously
280 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:28:55
281 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:29:12
282 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:29:27
Unfortunately or fortunately depending how you view it!!
283 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:29:54
Get from out your arse man.
People don't need to apologise for holding a different opinion than you, who the fuck are you?
284 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:29:55
"Given that RM are broke and are likely to get kicked out of European competitions,(they still haven't reneged on the ESL), are still also in dispute with the Spanish FA and may well get a points deduction - even if they stay in the Spanish League, I fail to see the attraction?
Regrettably, if Carlo does go, I have to come to the conclusion that he has been badly advised and is also a bit 'thick".
285 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:30:00
I agree with you, as I have said in another post I think he was the wrong man for Everton FC.
286 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:33:28
287 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:34:29
A few of us always held the view that Ancelotti was totally wrong.
Of course I dont need anyone to apologise but the vast majority on here said he was a great appointment.
My choice would be Graham Potter.
But I know the owners will
A make some dumb announcement about the new stadium
And follow this up with another crap appointment as manager
288 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:35:39
289 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:35:49
290 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:35:51
Are we fuck. We are historically a small minded club apart from 7/8 seasons since the second world war.
We get an owner who gets the bollocks kidded off him by one of the biggest phonys I have met, thereby costing him miliions and the phony making tens of Millions.
We then get a manager beyond our dreams, while he is working his way through the abject crap squad he inherited a few Evertonians arses drop out of them.
Manager,(who doesnt need or warrant this treatment imo) decides.
Ah well. You get what you deserve and boy will you get it.
291 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:37:16
"In Moyes we trust"
"Kendall must go" (Everton fans 1983)
"Fergie Out" (United Fans 1989-ish)
Footballing prophets us lot.
Come on. Fans all get caught up in the moment and I get it's all about opinion. That's why we're here discussing. For those who predicted Carlo was wrong took a punt. Gloat as you may, changing our manager again after 18 months is not a good thing.
292 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:37:54
The up side to this is that so-called "apologists" such as myself, can now forever play your game and say "what might have been?" if Carlo finished his task. If a new guy comes in and is better, we will be happy because we don't want the team to not do well. If the team is worse, we will be unhappy and we will make you miserable too by reminding you that you wanted this.
293 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:38:36
294 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:39:09
Carlo goes off to Madrid with 25M in compensation coming the other way which boosts the transfer funds which are then used to purchase players for surprisingly low fees from a club in Madrid with links to the ESL.
Then Everton announce that Davide is to continue his father's work on the project while Bill pronounces that this shows that we truly are a family club and that charity really does begin at home and invites Mr Moshiri to join him on the sofa.
Finger prints or what!?!
295 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:39:20
296 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:40:38
297 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:41:16
298 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:41:16
What it means to James and Allan l couldn't care less either. I like Nuno Espirito Santa and he can bring us a present in Neto. Get him a right side and he has balance. If Carlo didn't go this way he'd be sacked by Xmas anyway. We need a manager who is totally commited and inspires the players and us fans. UTFT
299 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:45:01
Real Madrid can't afford to appoint who they would really like and even if they could they aren't as attractive to ambitious managers as they were a year ago, therefore they ask Carlo to help them out in their time of need. Carlo takes an equal risk to the one he had at Goodison and agrees to join the Spanish giants.
Conjecture on my part, however, it's probably something akin to that and he won't lose money either.
300 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:48:58
301 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:49:24
The second is that Real Madrid, whilst an obviously attractive proposal are skint, have a massively ageing squad and he will be basically doing the same rebuild he has to do with us but at a club that will give him one season if he doesnt win the league and or European cup.
The third is that the report I read about him signing for them imminently also said we were going to bring Moyes back, who I dont believe would want to come back. Also there would hopefully be around a 20-25 million pound compensation fee that Madrid would have to pay.
If it does happen then Id want us to be looking at Conte, proven pedigree, big name and knows how to do it in the premier league and is no nonsense with underperforming players
For a punt Id go for the former Lille manager, Christophe Galtier, what he has achieved is fairly remarkable and he is probably one of the better up and coming managers in Europe.
Then theres the obvious links,
Nunes Espírito Santos, I would be open about him joining
Eddie Howe, I wouldnt touch him with a barge pole, just a poor mans English Roberto Martinez.
David Moyes, too divisive amongst the fan base
Rafa Benitez, see above
Total outsiders, Joachim Lowe, Vitor Pereira, Frank Lampard, Sean Dyche, Duncan Ferguson
, not sure Id be keen on any of them other than Lowe
302 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:49:44
All I want is for Everton to be successful
Whilst Kenwright is still there nobody will succeed.
Kenwright remains the biggest stumbling block.
He absolutely has to go
303 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:51:37
I think my choice would be Graham Potter. But then was happy with Marco Silva getting the job. I prefer young coaches with an identifiable philosophy who have a hunger to succeed.
It seems to me that Potter is good at bringing on young players (Lamptey, Mcallister, Bissouma, White, Maupay) but also good at getting a tune out of older players (Welbeck, Gross, Lallana). I usually thought Brighton looked pretty decent when they played and for those who care about xG such modelling would have had Brighton actually finish around 5th in the league, so fair to say they were probably pretty unlucky not to finish higher. Potter likes developing young players and would be a good fit with Brands in theory.
Other options i'd be interested in are Conte, Gallardo, Amorim, Ten Hag, Galtier, Frank, Farke and possibly Espirito Santo.
Ferguson for me is just too unproven. I' love for him to go and coach a Championship team, do well there and then come to Everton but I just have no idea if he has the tactical nous and experience to move us forward. We've seen the likes of Lampard, Giggs, Keane etc fail to inspire; love for the club is not enough by itself.
304 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:52:16
If skint would Real not be better going for a manager they will not have to pay compensation for?
£20-25 million being reported
305 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:53:56
Nagelsmann has been appointed as Bayern's new coach so he is not a candidate anymore.
306 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:54:11
"Everton will continue without him as we have done for many many years."
Exactly and probably the most depressing post I've seen on here in a long time.
307 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:54:13
308 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:54:44
But at least you had the guts to put a name forward - Graham bloody Potter. He may be the usual won-nothing, relegation haunted, here today gone tomorrow loser we have hired for the last 25 years, but fair play.
309 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:55:55
On 1 June 2004, Kenwright became chairman of Everton Football Club. On the same day, Trevor Birch was appointed chief executive officer to replace the outgoing Michael Dunford. Kenwright said that Birch would be his "sounding board" and that the new CEO should "dictate the policy of the football club". Kenwright stated that Birch had not been brought in to sell the club, but that a new investor can have his shares as long as they "have money to run the club". Birch resigned six weeks later. He resigned after a meeting with True Blue Holding (Kenwright, Woods, Gregg and Abercromby) where the board opted to not to sell the club. Gregg claimed there was a refusal to relinquish control by other directors and that it was preventing progress at the club.
310 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:57:21
311 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:58:27
312 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:58:34
You may want to look up what Graham Potter has achieved
313 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:58:34
One home win since Xmas. One more win in 2021 than Sheff Utd.
It's best he goes now before he struggles next season and the crowd turns on him.
What we need is a competent Manager who can improve average players and has proven Prem experience.
If it's a choice between Lampard, Nuno or Howe ( being the names mentioned) I would prefer Howe given he over achieved with them for several years and plays attractive football.
However, Don't be surprised if it's an ex player like Ferguson or Neville.
314 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:58:43
I was hoping for another good summer window under Ancelotti with some more class players coming in and really seeing his stewardship kick on next year.
315 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:59:13
Be careful of these people like Galtier, yes he achieved a remarkable feat at Lille, but I wouldn't want to base any opinion on this season seeing as it was so f'kd up by covid, no fans etc.
316 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:59:20
317 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:59:39
318 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:59:41
319 Posted 01/06/2021 at 16:59:51
320 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:00:47
321 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:01:51
322 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:02:26
They had it as a news alert 2 hours ago.
323 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:06:47
324 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:08:10
Ancelotti was that manager and would have replaced our average players over time.
325 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:10:11
326 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:10:13
I think Anthony got reel when he said that the locker room knew. I actually thought that was Carlo playing the top mgt but Anthony is right I think. So, yeah, Darren and others, have a laugh and call it a failure if you wish but we get a bit of a free turn on the carousel and I don't think the club would be hurt with it turning out to be a temporary appointment. Debate on the Ancelotti project will be a delight I'm sure, looking forward to that on top of the Moyes comparisons. Good times.
327 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:11:07
328 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:11:16
329 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:13:19
330 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:13:41
Anyway if he goes my shortlist to replace him includes
Hass Bean, R Sole, Gob Shyte, Dick De Head and Whan Ker.
Whoever comes in should buy the following players
Ruub Ish, Kant Cros, Fu Kin U Sles and Orful.
The manager and players will then feel right at home when they read the comments on TW.
331 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:14:42
Loads of names being bandied about to replace him, I think a ToffeeWeb poll may be needed tomorrow.
Nuno Espirito is one of the more obvious candidates, hes proven in the Premier League and has done very well with Wolves.
Moshiri will want a safe pair of hands to keep the project ticking over until were in the BMD, probably with experience in this league too. Nuno ticks those boxes, no compensation to pay, and is available.
Whoever comes in better be motivated for it, because the job is going to test them to the limit.
332 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:14:45
If it's Moshiri's decision, it'll be Pochettino, Simeone or Conte.
If it's Brands' decision, it'll be a non-British guy beloved of the nerdy stattos and xG merchants.
Only certainty is that plenty of us will be unhappy with the choice.
They just won't let us have more than a week's peace, will they?
333 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:15:34
If we get Howe watch all those 1-0 wins become 1-3 defeats
334 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:16:29
335 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:16:53
We are bang in trouble already.
336 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:18:39
I actually think that because of Reals financial position Conte and Galtier, Conte in particular would be far more likely candidates.
For those suggesting Potter, you must be joking, Potter, Howe just poor mans Martinez.
My biggest fear is that this is driven by meeting with Brands who wont get him the age/type of player he wants, for me that would make it believable
337 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:18:41
338 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:19:11
339 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:19:15
Jack #330 Branthewaite and Nkounkou have been great finds. We need more like them. Kean also looks good business when we make a decent profit on the 24m
340 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:19:27
It's even creeping into the Championship and the teams coming up that play good football have continental coaches Wolves and Leeds being good recent examples.
It doesn't make me happy saying that by the way.
Broken record but we need to look external. Please don't go for the Burnley boss because he can organise shit. I do that when my dogs curl one off every morning.
Ancotti done that and finished higher than Dyche.
Aim high Everton. Please fucking believe. Please
341 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:20:11
342 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:20:28
343 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:20:42
This is such a typical Everton situation. Why do I continue to put myself through it? Wish I'd never watched that 1984 FA Cup final as a 5 year old kid. Been pretty much disappointed continually since the age of 8.
344 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:22:13
One with a clear style of football that is easily explained to some of the no marks we have masquerading as players. I want a manager who will employ coaches that ensure the players are fit to run a whole game twice a week, who will employ coaches to do ball work to develop skills, tactical work to develop brains and knows what a good player looks like. I want a manager that knows when players are cheating their team mates (and fans) by jogging around looking like they are closing down-yes Mr Siggy and Mr Iwobi I am looking right at you both. Get someone who fits that bill and I will be happy
345 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:22:35
346 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:23:52
347 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:24:06
Mind you if Ancelotti goes for sure it will open the door for the mesmeric duo of Unsworth or Ferguson
I dont understand how an old, passed sell by date, only here for the money manager could even be mentioned in the same breath as a club like Real Madrid?
Surely Yeovil Town - maybe
First priority of the new manager will be to tell Pep Holgate is never leaving no matter how much they offer.
Never wanted him here like most - well half a dozen TWers
348 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:24:46
349 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:25:20
350 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:25:52
James will be off and pretty sure Allan will want out too. Richarlison will be gone as well surely as he has stated already last season that he wanted to move on. Add Kean to the mix too.
The only glimmer of hope here is that if the above leave like Carlo that we could get a decent transfer pot in to allow someone to rebuild.
This needs to be a complete rethink about this club and an investment in a manager like Potter who plays attractive football and will grow with us (a la Moyes). We arent going to get a big name other than an old has been so lets get a manager on the up rather than trying the same old names.
Sods law that Spurs will nick the person we want…….
351 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:26:12
So Ive no idea whos being courted to replace Ancelotti, but it looks like a tough summer but we shall see.
Can Everton resolve this in a timely and quality manner and get a proven manager, no doubt whom. Will bring his own crew and philosophy to the club?
Disappointing end to Carlos reign at Everton, and I hope the truths are disclosed aside from Real Madrid being a Lengendary football club.
They are in the septic 12 clubs, and Carlo publicly disapproved of that venture at the time.
Two weeks ago he also discounted the initial signs of Madrids needs in view of Zidanes waning stock.
I wonder whats changed and will Brands transfer plan have to be rehashed else did they have a fallout?
Poxy twists of fate, and Everton it seems are in The doldrums, today, hopefully for not too long.
352 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:26:22
So Ive no idea whos being courted to replace Ancelotti, but it looks like a tough summer but we shall see.
Can Everton resolve this in a timely and quality manner and get a proven manager, no doubt whom. Will bring his own crew and philosophy to the club?
Disappointing end to Carlos reign at Everton, and I hope the truths are disclosed aside from Real Madrid being a Lengendary football club.
They are in the septic 12 clubs, and Carlo publicly disapproved of that venture at the time.
Two weeks ago he also discounted the initial signs of Madrids needs in view of Zidanes waning stock.
I wonder whats changed and will Brands transfer plan have to be rehashed else did they have a fallout?
Poxy twists of fate, and Everton it seems are in The doldrums, today, hopefully for not too long.
354 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:29:03
You are not making progress bringing in so called experience by signing players the calibre of Iwobi, King, Gomes and Bernard ( who is really skillful but not up to playing in the EPL). Remember Carlo said he was 'surprised' at how good Godfrey has been - feint praise indeed for Brands.
355 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:29:17
The only one I heard of who sounds feasible is Ragnar Lothbrok. I know nothing about him except that hes German and has a cool name and a fierce reputation.
356 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:32:35
Brands needs to have a Zoom call today and make it clear to Bernard, Iwobi, Delph etc that they need to find new clubs immediately.
357 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:32:53
I meant Ten Hag lol.
Barry @ 310, If we are going for "talented" then Mr Ripley would be my choice 😀.
358 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:33:06
Has already managed the biggest teams and won all of the biggest titles. Surely he has nothing left to prove to himself or anyone else. We shouldnt just accept that its too good an offer for him to refuse. Taking a club like ours from mid table obscurity into the Champions League should be a more enticing challenge for him at this point in his career.
He signed a contract with Everton. Hold him to it. If we want to be a big club, we ought to start behaving like one.
359 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:34:34
Personally, I'm surprised that Real want to bring Carlo back, and disappointed that we have to search for yet another manager. I can't say I was looking forward to another season of watching the horrible football that we played under Carlo, but I guess he did improve our points tally, so maybe it would have been better next season.
Anyway, this is all so Everton. My sympathies are with the few who actually CHOSE to support this club, the way most kids these days pick Utd or the RS or Chelsea. I heard a really sad story about a fella with no connection to the city or the club who chose Everton just to piss off his dad who was a London RS fan. A whole life of endless misery when he could have picked a team that wins stuff occasionally. Poor bastard.
360 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:35:14
As for Carlo being surprised at how good Godfrey is... wouldn't we all be able to say the same? I don't remember anybody here projecting him to become what he so quickly did. He surprised everyone.
Michael #359, I chose this club 36 years ago, and I have no regrets and no need of sympathy. Can't speak for anybody else in a similar category.
361 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:36:17
362 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:36:30
Chelsea pulled a masterstroke and turned their season around once the right coach became available.
Our cousins done likewise, disposing of the much admired Brenda because the right coach was available.
I'm bias, but German coaches are up with the best in world football. Go hunting there Everton.
It's won the last 3 European Champions Leagues.
363 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:36:42
364 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:36:58
365 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:37:08
Unfortunately for Ben Godfrey, he didn't make the final cut for England, he'll have to watch on the TV like the rest of us.
366 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:37:33
367 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:38:11
368 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:39:09
Its fancy dress so hes going as a footballer.
369 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:41:17
370 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:41:43
Dale #361, I haven't seen many knocks on Nuno. It's just that he already appears ticketed for Palace.
371 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:42:17
So Big Dunc drops down the pecking order? Oh well, he can always work his way back up to number 2 when Unsie gets the chop.
372 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:42:24
The other name not being mentioned that may come up is Hassenhutl…..
373 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:42:33
So that realistically leaves:
Moyes: Still not signed his contract and keen to move back up north. Knows the club inside and out and can work on a budget.
Nuno: Prem experience but his time at Wolves just seemed to fizzle out. Nothing to suggest he should be top of any list. The fact he was spoon fed signings by Mendes was worrying.
Dyche: Cock of the walk in a small pond. Can defo work within a budget, but his football is dire and regardless of where we stand in world football Burnley to Everton is a big step up up.
Benitez: Worshipped on Tyneside for serving up football that was worse than under Bruce. Long time Red and would be divisive but can certainly organise a squad.
Potter: At times Brighton have played some good stuff other times they have been annihilated. Getting good plaudits but a risk and maybe the job has come around too soon for him.
Howe: Too risky, attack minded football, questionable defending, questionable transfer record. AVOID.
Big Duncan: Will get them fired up but what else? He's had understudy roles, With Ancelotti, Koeman, Silva, Martinez and Moyes if he's not gonna put his hat it then when? and if not now then why not? If he wants it now is his time but he also will carry a risk as he's still unproven over a season.
374 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:43:00
375 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:43:25
I am not upset as I think we have dodged the bullet of a huge pay out after next season.
I too liked Carlo as a person but don't think he was taking us forward as I had expected. Strange Team selections and too much faith put on players who never performed.
Players seldom looked motivated and heads dropped far too easily.
Think many of our slender victories were down to a rejuvenated Pickford. Performance wise I think we looked more edge of relegation zone than Euro hopefuls. I wish him well.
Don't think I can guess the next candidate.
Whoever it is they had better work fast as there are a lot of overpaid, underperforming players. Some of whom were brought in by Carlo.
376 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:43:28
Hopefully the version of the truths behind this matter, will be live very soon on TW.
Id take Simeoni, but thats only my wish but Everton need this new appointment, to be a success
377 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:43:50
I do, although my pool of countries I can claim allegiance too is smaller with Ireland out. My Mum is from Scotland but her parents weren't so they don't count for me.
378 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:43:54
Jeez, you couldn't make it up, and the club's still stuffed with Bill's hangers-on whilst we stumble on decade after decade with the distant peaks of success now barely visible on the far horizon.
New manager? New players? Nah, new culture please after the club's given a forensically deep clean!
379 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:45:13
Not because a manager leaves or a player leaves but what are we now?
Same old same old drum I bang -just keeps on playing.
Another walks from Everton to the elite while Everton claim to be trying to join the elite.
It will not happen and I just wish all fans of the other clubs in football turned their attention to the big picture.
While the fake Super league operation was closing occupied minds, UEFA were smoothing things out for the big guns with more fixtures, more gate receipts and in summary, more money again.
This is just a cycle that will spin til we all die.
Your welcome. 👍
380 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:46:29
On second thoughts, no, let's get Graham Potter in, then after two months I'll be ripping him to shreds, saying what a shite manager he is and We need to get rid of him ASAP. 😠😠
381 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:46:46
382 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:47:39
Whatever you think of the squad as well as Moshiri, Brands and the likes of Big Dunc, you have to ask how much of an appetite is left for yet another rebuild. The first team squad is disjointed - a Frankensteins monster of 5 managers signings. Moshiri just wants to keep us in the top flight until the stadium is built and he can flog the club, so we need to find someone who can commit, and has the desire and motivation to bring success although the priority of the owner is probably somewhat different.
383 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:48:24
384 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:48:25
Not a word I would usually pair with Ancelotti.
But yeah... shithouse!!
385 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:48:54
My fear if Carlo goes is that the best players we have will want to go. For instance I would not be surprised if Pep looked at Digne. City really need a left back - we have one of if not the best in the EPL and possible Europe. Richarlson will want to go, so possibly will Allan and James. We are going to be in an awful mess. I am gutted about C arlo and worried sick as to what is happening to the club I've supported for over 60 years.
386 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:50:33
That's the thing, even Silva was billed as someone to improve our squad, ie, a coach as opposed to an old-school manager, but he was able to go out and sign his own men. While Carlo said we needed improvement, he had already theoretically made progress with some of his own signings. A new guy will probably want to start from scratch and Moshiri may not want to cough up again.
387 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:50:55
That sent shivers down me at the time as Moshiri was clearly in denial about the £100ms he's pissed up the wall on mainly below standard players. My thoughts a couple of weeks ago were that Ancelotti had now convinced Moshiri that our players weren't good enough (the "I'm not a magician" comment, for example) and we'd see some significant upgrades to our squad this summer.
I now think I was wrong. It looks like Ancelotti has been pushed back by Moshiri and he's now upping sticks and heading off as a result. Once again, any new manager will need to buy into the ‘haven't we got a great squad' delusional Moshiri view.
Listen, Moshiri, we haven't got a great squad, we've got a bang-average squad that has got multiple top managers sacked over the past 5 years or so. Oh shit…
388 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:51:24
I support Everton and, if the next guy does better than Ancelotti, then I'll be made up!
389 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:53:06
I have often thought that the term NDA stood for "Never Do Anything" – particularly if it applied to Everton FC.
390 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:53:38
391 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:54:54
392 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:55:00
393 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:55:49
If we are truly trying to reach for the stars, we'd go for Poch or Simeone- surely the latter wants to try his hand outside Spain now he's achieved so much there and if we promised him a big transfer kitty?
If we are being 'pragmatic', it would be Potter or Farke if you could prize him away. Nuno at a push, definitely not Howe.
If Billy boy gets anywhere near things, it will be Moyes or Ferguson.
Personally I'd be open to the idea of a young chancer, and allow Brands a youth only approach. Let's face it, we're not going to get in the Champions League with this squad, so maybe now is the time for a longer project. Staying in the Premier League should not be beyond us in the interim, and if we finish mid-table, but play some better football and start adding value to players we acquire, that would do for me (painful though it is to admit that).
394 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:56:50
395 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:56:59
I listened to a podcast with Norwich's Director of Football a couple of years ago. He seemed to be a very switched on guy. Very down to Earth. I remember him saying how happy they were with Daniel Farke but, at the same time, he always, maintained a list of realistic, potential successors. Let's hope our own DoF has done the same.
396 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:58:37
Maybe not my choice, but if you look at Brands and therefore our policy of shopping in South America, his Portugal background fits that strategy if that makes sense.
397 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:58:57
398 Posted 01/06/2021 at 17:59:28
399 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:00:39
That crowd you mentioned there... If any of them.. any – that is the end of it all for me.
I've been close to the edge on this for a good few years but the end of the line is nearly nigh. That October afternoon when dad took me to my first game at Goodson (Guess what: we lost 2-4 to Blackburn!!) started it all for me.
I lost dad right on Christmas to Covid so... you know what. I think that's the omen for me, with all this shite Super League crap. The galling thing of seeing every RS manager they get wins them a bloody trophy even when they then get rid of them and Dad and I saw 7 together.
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
400 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:00:46
Odd thing is, I don't like popcorn!!
More seriously, I think if this happens, it's a good result. Carlo was never a fit here, we all hoped he would be, but he just wasn't. A charming man who caused us no bother and said the right things. I wish him well but fear he is swapping one frying pan for another.
Since Moyes, we have had 2 managers with definitive styles who had relative successes but were driven out for different reasons (Martinez and Allardyce).
Moshiri must appoint someone with a plan we can't have another wishy washy guy winging it like Koeman, Silva and now apparently Ancelotti. A transformation akin to Leeds with Bielsa and Wolves under Nuno is the target but who that man is... I have no idea.
401 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:01:22
Yes, Nuno makes sense to me as well. Let's hope he brings with him Neto if or when he gets appointed.
402 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:01:23
403 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:01:51
Do you mind awfully if I give your invite for tea a swerve.
I'm sure I have to wash my hair.
404 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:02:09
405 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:02:36
406 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:03:39
407 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:03:49
So much for the bullshit about believing in the EFC 'project'. It seems we can't really trust anything that any manager comes out with.
408 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:04:04
410 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:04:48
Moshiri needs to clean out the internal management because, no matter who is appointed, they will have the same difficulty if he doesn't.
The unmotivated crap we got from the players in the end of season matches was telling.
411 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:05:57
412 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:06:18
I think that is part of the problem, Kenwright's insistence that we have to keep a strong Everton identity within the management team and forced to work with different managers with different ideas (Martinez, Koeman, Silva and Ancelloti all bascially were told you have to have Duncan on your team if you are on our payroll.)
I was hoping that Carlo would be the one to take Everton into BMD but it is not to be. I don't think Duncan is ready for job full time so I hope we can get aggresive in the market and get a big name.
413 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:06:18
By the way, I know where his son-in-law lives... I might pop round and question him: Why the sudden change of heart?
414 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:06:21
Let the fun begin as Everton have just declared that they have started the process to replace Carlo, I expect it will be about 10 August when the new man is announced.
415 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:06:53
416 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:16
I feel vindicated now. He has been a real failure. Clueless at times. I'm relieved he's gone. "Who do we get?" I hear loudly. It's not my job.
417 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:18
418 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:32
419 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:39
Well, here we go again. Next?
420 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:40
421 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:07:59
422 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:30
Ancelotti thanked Everton's staff and fan and said the move represented "an unexpected opportunity".
Wonder which fan he thanked. Might take him some time to thank all the fans. :)
423 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:30
424 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:36
Simeone would be the one to burn the arses of these shithouse players who continue to get managers the bullet but I can't see him coming. It would be Conte next for me and, if not, Nuno from Wolves.
Anyone mentioning Howe, Dyche, Potter or The Ginger Twat had best change their medication.
425 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:46
His missus had her bags packed as soon as the offer came in and, to be fair, I can't blame her after the break-in. Still, his dog will miss Crosby beach. Maybe we could sign his dog?
426 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:47
Unless Duncan is appointed as full-time manager, I think it's time for him to be removed from first-team duties. How can any manager have a fresh start with the same bloke who's served under five, or is it, six managers???
How can the players believe it's a fresh start if the same assistant is uttering the same stuff that he has done for so long???
427 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:48
428 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:10:57
Unsworth: hate him, shite, never managed
Ferguson: hate him, shite, just beats people up
Nino: hate him, shite, made an RS supporter captain
Potter: hate him, shite, him and his brother Harry only good for daft movies.
Moyes: hate him, shite, stabbed us in the back.
Howe: hate him, shite, can't work North of Watford.
Gerrard: hate him, shite, need I say anything more?
Have I missed anyone out? I like to cover all the bases but really love all the above just in case we sign one and it works out can say: "I told you so."
Got to get in first before the usual suspects...
429 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:11:02
“I have complete respect for everyone associated with Everton and hope they can achieve the exciting opportunities they have in front of them.
“While I have enjoyed being at Everton I have been presented with an unexpected opportunity which I believe is the right move for me and my family at this time.”
I'll say it again. This sucks!!!
430 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:11:29
He would improve on 10th.
431 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:12:33
432 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:13:08
Was he told he wasnt going to get a big a transfer kitty as he wanted?
433 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:13:31
434 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:13:42
Have a lie down, mate.
435 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:14:04
Simeone? Why would he come here? A club that has not won a trophy for 26 years.
Get real, people. We will never be a big club.
436 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:14:18
Please, Everton, for once, do your job and appoint the right person! That's all we want.
Also, didn't ya say he didn't approve the Super League idea!? Look where he is now!!!!!
437 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:14:47
438 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:15:08
439 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:15:26
440 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:16:21
Carlo, you money-grabbing, hypocrite. Fuck you and your plastic respect. Enjoy the greedy club who tried to steal the game.
Sorry, I just had to. Everything that's wrong with the game.
441 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:16:36
An absolute letdown of a manager, who showed almost zero tactical nouse whilst he was here and sneaked off at the first opportunity. A bottler if ever I saw one; I wish him nothing but misery in his next job.
Am I bitter about this one? Damn right I am. Up yours, Carlo, don't bother making any statement about how you loved the club, fans etc, because now we can all see you for what you really are, which is a money-grabbing gobshite.
442 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:16:43
443 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:16:45
I just hope we bring in someone who has the hunger to bloody the nose of the big boys. I honestly have no idea of who should be next in line... Is Ferguson too raw to do it full-time?
Brands needs to seriously lead from the front on this.
No doubt this is a big kick in the balls for Moshiri. Maybe he can reflect a bit and realise that, by bringing in a top manager, he also had to back that up with serious transfer money.
444 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:16:50
445 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:17:02
Darren and Ian have been spot on many times. Now irrelevant... What???
446 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:17:26
After 18 months he's fucked off, mainly by the fans, because he can't win a trophy or make Europe in his first season. Wash, spin and repeat!
As I said earlier, Patience awaits no man! The only difference here was that Carlo has resigned, as I think Moshiri would have had the patience to give him a real crack at turning things round.
Carlo was our best chance of achieving something, but now that chance has gone. Welcome to mid-table mediocrity for ever more.
447 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:17:34
448 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:18:09
Chance for a reset. Hire a manager who produces energetic football with players who can play purposefully and forwards for 90 mins would be a good start. Players with character who perform at least 7/10 consistently, rather than the one good game in five players we keep buying.
It's only a disaster if you ignore last season and think about his past.
They come, they go, we stay.
Onwards and upwards, Blues!
449 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:18:49
'Proper' as in getting rid of the over-the-hill mob and starting again with a young squad?
450 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:18:53
Ancelotti has treated us like shite: “I want to be here for the first game at BMD.”
Sorry but bigger jobs were always going to be touted, so don't talk shite and get on with the job!
He's off after the first chance comes along. Good riddance... let's move on and give the next guy some support.
452 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:20:52
Man of his word. He says anyone who doesn't want to be here should leave.
Post of the day. :)
454 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:21:36
455 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:21:53
What high calibre manager would entertain us? For me, Nuno could be a good fit in the given circumstances.
456 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:22:23
His statement even grated on me. “While I've enjoyed” working with Everton – Clearly he never felt the love.
I'm so shocked and disappointed at this whole event. It's going to throw everything into chaos.
457 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:22:37
Ronald Koeman - 1 year 131 days
Sam Allardyce - 167 days
Marco Silva - 1 year 188 days
Carlo Ancelotti - 1 year 162 days
Im absolutely gutted at this news. Weve got to break this cycle we are in. I cant blame Ancelotti for going - there was a percentage of our fan base wanting him out anyway! Wed probably have sacked him by Christmas anyway, as this is the club we have become. Next up will be Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche. Theyll probably be sacked within 18 months, well probably then appoint Mikel Arteta after hes failed at Arsenal.
Ive had it with Everton and football in general.
458 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:23:19
459 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:23:22
Given I now need a new coffee mug, it can't be Bielsa - I wouldn't want him leering at me every time I take a sip of my flat white. It needs to be someone with a narrow face, else their mug will be spread all the way round my, er, mug. Can't be Conte, the wife would take it and I'd never see it again.
Rodgers maybe - though I'd get freaked out that his arm is about to shoot out towards me and squeeze my shoulder and stroke my cheek, like he does with all his players.
460 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:23:51
Most of all we need stability. Perhaps Nuno, after Wolves didn't seem to share his ambition.
461 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:24:18
462 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:24:57
Fingers crossed for some decent footie next season.
463 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:25:24
464 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:25:53
We've tried all the tricks in the book now:
Young, up-and-coming manager (Silva) – check.
Tactical genius who got their team relegated (Martinez) – check.
World-class manager (Ancelotti) – check.
Big-name manager from a smaller club (Koeman) – check.
Every other club has tried a former old boy, so why not us? Let's just get him in, let him make his mark on the first team, and I think we could be extremely pleasantly surprised.
465 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:25:56
466 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:26:08
On another news, Karl Heinz Rummenigge has opthed to step down as Bayern Chairman... 6 months earlier than planned! Why is ours hanging on to it!?
467 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:26:45
468 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:26:57
469 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:27:40
We'll have saved enough for 2 Bernards!
470 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:27:42
God help us.
471 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:28:21
Off the top of my head: Nuno or Lampard for me, but still digesting this news.
472 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:28:39
How much are you getting out of it, David?
474 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:29:22
His name made the Gossip columns link us to good, top players and it put a smile on my face, even if none of them were ever going to arrive – it just made the daily mention of my team in this echelon worth the read – and dream.
Now it's over, so back to the drawing board... but in truth I can't think of one single manager – one single realistic manager – who is out there that would give me that same feeling of pride.
Sad day – but, as ever, hope springs eternal.
475 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:29:30
476 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:29:39
If there is one man I wouldn't have it would be Sammy Lee as he's absolutely hopeless at picking bosses and, as much as it hurts to say it (clears throat and spits), I would consider Gerrard except that with the exception of possibly Jock Stein, the Glasgow giants don't produce managers who are successful south of the border.
477 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:30:24
Not sure who we go for personally, it's all such a mess and we lack identity.
480 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:30:49
481 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:31:07
482 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:31:31
483 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:31:58
I hope Everton negotiated a good deal for his release. Wonder if James will be his first signing.
484 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:32:04
But there are scenarios playing out that we are not privy to. Let's imagine if actually it is Usmanov who is behind the club, a guy with really serious money and a desire to beat Abramovich and/or a need to launder some cash. Let's imagine Simeone, like many highly driven people, is in the mood for a new challenge. Let's face it, the Spanish league looks to be in real trouble right now and for many the EPL is the serious challenge, as well as still being pretty rich. Someone like Simeone will likely be confident/arrogant enough to believe he can crack the toughest league in the world. Put all that together and the promise of a free hand at Everton, with a new stadium coming, then why is that impossible, albeit highly, highly improbable?
As I said, I'd settle for some proper re-building with a young, hungry manager and recruiting players we add value to. Provided we stay in the EPL, and play some good football along the way, I could live with mid table or even a bit worse.
485 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:32:09
486 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:32:21
487 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:33:37
My eryebrow has gone into overdrive!
488 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:34:48
489 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:34:54
Not that we'll ever know for sure but maybe he (Ancelotti) though "Fuck this, this is an impossible job, given the way the club's run", or other things we really don't know about.
As I say, we'll never know... so I'm finding it hard to be angry as I don't really know where my anger should be aimed.
All I hope for is a better season next season.
490 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:37:13
491 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:38:13
Does bad and we look like desperate mugs happy to have taken the enemy in hope.
Does well, he does what Ancelottis just done to us and takes over from Klopp in 2 years.
Anyone who would want that risk is insane.
492 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:39:03
We can't keep appointing full squads of backroom staff and then see them disappear when the manager goes. I realise it's the modern way but it seems too disruptive – there's also a former Everton youth player doing well at Chelsea, to whom Tuchel gave special mention after the Champions League triumph. I can't recall his name offhand.
493 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:39:59
494 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:40:18
A positive is that he has gone now, and not 1 August. Or even retained and sacked mid-season because he'd rather be elsewhere.
The one constant in the club are us loyal fans. We'll carry the club forward no matter who comes or goes.
495 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:40:55
496 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:41:22
Good riddance. Hope Real get relegated and hoping we might just be able to prosper and pass forwards without you.
Presumably some of our "stars" will now be looking for "new opportunities" as well. Good riddance as well if that is your view. I would love to see a team of 11 players totally committed to the cause.
497 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:41:55
Lampard? Gullit and Vialli achieved more at Chelsea, and as for his Derby spell, he did the same as all of his predecessors: fail to get promoted.
Martinez? He took over the world's number one team and so far hasn't won anything. Eddie Howe? Does he have any concept of defending let alone how to wisely spend money.
Rafa? He has the personality of Moyes and tactics that are a cross between Sam and Carlo. All of these lazy suggestions are preposterous.
498 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:41:56
499 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:42:31
500 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:44:10
501 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:44:16
502 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:45:12
Go for a hungry, young manager. I'd rather the likes of the Cowleys from Portsmouth than a Moyes.
503 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:45:55
504 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:45:57
505 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:47:39
Dont worry Mike, Les Miserables will moan and whinge regardless of whichever “coward” is appointed. Its in his DNA.
506 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:47:50
He's done wonders at a West Ham that have been flirting with relegation for years. He knows the club and is respected here for what he achieved on a shoe string (again he took a side flirting with relegation and made us regular challengers in the top 6-7, he did also notably get us into Europe a couple of times (including a VERY short stay in the CL).
I'd also argue that both he and Everton have evolved in the meantime, so there'd be less 'knife to a gunfight' type chatter this time. We have credible backers and some real quality in the squad - what we need now is someone to hone a spine and a sense of belief, I think he could definitely do that.
507 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:48:47
The new manager will tell us a lot about who is genuinely planning and making decisions at the club on the football side, as well as our long-term ambitions and what the club is hoping to achieve.
Of course Moshiri as the man who pays the piper has to sign things off, but it SHOULD be Brands primarily determining the manager and player recruitment which fits in to an overall model of how he wants the entire club to play through all age groups.
If certain mooted names are appointed, it will strongly suggest that Bill Kenwright still has disproportionate influence that he should no longer have on Moshiri's watch.
The better players at the club (and there are some, in spite of what some think) are now unlikely to be persuaded to 'Give us 1-2-3 more years to reach the promised land. We're building something here.'
Carlo Ancelotti has given all as clear a message as could be spelled out: 'You are a professional sports person. Don't be lulled or wooed by romanticism. If a chance comes to improve yourself, to advance your career, take it.'
This is both a setback (we need greater managerial stability), but also an opportunity. It radically changes our summer plans. Five years in, Moshiri needs someone who will stick around.
508 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:48:54
It's a bit of a swine when you pay your manager a king's ransom and he leaves to join another club for half the salary. Everton that!
I wouldn't be surprised if James Rodriquez makes a miraculous recovery and the Colombian coach asks him to join his squad for the upcoming tournament. Everton "Tales of the least expected!"
509 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:49:06
510 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:50:15
511 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:50:41
512 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:51:10
Martinez didn't take over the worlds number one team, he made them that. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do with Moshiri's money and I'd fancy he'd get a tune out of the likes of Richarlison, Gomes, Holgate and maybe Bernard.
Also, I see that Poch ain't committing to PSG so I wonder if he really could be tempted. Sarri and Enrique would also be interesting.
Funny thing is we have been asking for a bit of speed, tempo and decisiveness for about 18 months from Carlo. I guess he kept it all for his exit strategy.
513 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:51:36
Me and my lad call Wolves – Olhau Athletic!
514 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:51:53
Brands is very quiet at the moment. Probably tying up the loose ends of six incoming transfers.
The cup Merseyside derby was a disgrace and he was a dead man walking after that humiliation.
515 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:51:57
Carlo has disappointed me no-end but life, and football, go on. Fuck him.
516 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:52:31
Any player that doesnt want to be there can go too. I dont care who they are.
Managers and players come and go. We remain. What matters now is the future. We will all have opinions on who we want and especially who we dont. They will be important to me as long as they are there. I will still be there when they are not.
517 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:52:44
518 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:53:12
Disappointed to see Ancelotti leave but I can only hope we get it right with the next appointment. Not sure who I would really favour at the moment, I just know I don't want Moyes.
519 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:53:13
We are not a small club... but we are run like a small non-league club.
520 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:53:35
What a ghastly unproductive bullshitter.
521 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:53:50
As for big Don Carlo's player pulling power, we got a Colombian crock and a hardly ever fit Napoli midfielder.
Bye bye, Carlo. I hope you spend the money you earned on a nice Spanish villa or something.
522 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:54:14
All the above mentioned wanna bees can fuck of too. Slippy G? How can any Evertonian connect him with this club but then Teary Bill will probably write the script, saying he was always a Blue.
I despair with this club. Get Usmanov in and let him hire and fire all around him, including Moshiri, Teary Bill and his cronies.
523 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:54:23
Reportedly Ancelotti will earn €6M per season.
525 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:54:50
526 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:55:41
527 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:55:55
You don't need to ask his son-in-law why he is leaving, it is obvious: he prefers the sunny skies of Madrid to the endless wet weekends of Merseyside. And, as I know that you are also fond of the sunshine, I was wondering if maybe you had been talking to him and turning his head?
529 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:58:11
He would definitely be the most hated man on Merseyside if that happened. He might even appoint Carra as his Number 2.
530 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:58:11
He knows the Premier League inside out, so no need to get up to speed, and he will also know all about our squad, so no lost time getting to know the players.
The hard thing will be to get him to leave Leicester, where he has bought some exciting youngsters, but he might find £11 million a year too hard to resist. And another plus is if he signed for us: he could move straight into the house he owns in Formby which he currently rents to Klopp.
531 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:58:59
532 Posted 01/06/2021 at 18:59:16
It reminds me of when Howard Kendall Mk II left. We started that season with 3 straight wins, he seemed to be turning the corner, he said we needed some new signings (Dion Dublin?), results deteriorated and we were loitering around mid-table. Some wanted him gone as yesterday's man, I thought he would turn it around. Then boom, he was gone.
533 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:00:24
Having just shown him our 6-0 demolition of Coventry back in '78...that's MY Blues!.
Jeez...that sixth goal,beautiful, absolutely fucking beautiful.
As for my Man?...sadly not a prayer.
534 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:00:39
535 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:00:42
536 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:02:56
Did Real Madrid come in for Klopp? No. Did they come in for Tuchel? No. Where the courting Pep? No. They went for Everton's manager because we are a fuckin' soft touch.
Rooney, Lukaku, Kendall to Spain Alan Ball, John Stones... the list goes on. When is this club gonna grow a pair and say "enough is enough"?
Over 50 fuckin' years I've been supporting these pricks and everytime we looked like getting a decent team, manager or player, the fuckin' rug is pulled from under us.
A very very frustrated Blue at the moment.
537 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:03:16
538 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:03:34
Don't worry – he will have the knives out for the next manager too.
It is easy to criticize. It is much harder to propose positive solutions.
539 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:03:43
540 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:03:49
Nuno Espirito Santo
541 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:03:55
And the point of it all is the state of our squad and budget. We are not Chelsea when Tuchel arrived, brimming with talent but underperforming. We are really average with no attacking options at all. And we don't have a proper budget to rebuild either. We're constantly papering over the cracks of a crap badly assembled squad. That's been the real achilles heel, not the managers we keep losing.
I dread to think what Godfrey, Digne, Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin are now thinking. But they must be wondering whether they are at the right club.
542 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:04:08
544 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:04:32
545 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:04:38
Firstly he was just a coach for most of these sacked managers. Secondly he coached the team for 3 games and done a fine job.
Is it too risky to say he might be good at what he does? Are we sacking the physio aswell?
It's anyones guess how much input Ferguson had in the team but I doubt he got his full ideas in place?
It all depends on what cv you want in terms of manager and maybe it is too big a job to take on at first but where does the negative impression of him come from?
It seems purely invented on assumption to me.
546 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:05:01
Your last sentence cracked me up.
His nations league campaign ended with a 5-2 loss to Switzerland also. Okay, that competition is just a step up from the MLS cup but I still feel he could've done better.
547 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:05:07
Ancelottis major influence here was to attract players... get us to a next level, so to speak... I can't see Eddie Howe attracting the likes of Rodriguez.
548 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:05:41
549 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:05:51
The Machine, and its effects, are everywhere. Even one's hobbies and escapes from it, are all now in the mix. Nowhere off limits. No peace. The gradual managed decline to Future World. Buckle up...
550 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:06:24
551 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:06:53
I am afraid that I will have to correct you. Everton - Coventry 6-0 was in November 1977. The day I became an Everton fan.
What a fantastic match.
552 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:07:54
So you decided the only way was up?
553 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:08:48
Only EFC could sign a manager on 4½-year contract on £9M a year and get fuck all compo. Everton that.
554 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:09:22
555 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:09:35
I feel little angst over this because the actual evidence hardly ever matched the hype and Carlo looking out for an escape route became increasingly likely. The puzzle is why so many continued to ignore the evidence of their own eyes continuing to wallow in the "Magnifico" fable.
The next incumbent should be judged on what he does – not what has happened under different circumstances nor where he arrives from.
556 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:12:16
I'd have gone as well, I reckon. Nice & sunny too. If anyone in Madrid fancies offering me a job, I'm all ears. Will dance for sapphires.
557 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:13:12
I'm more worried about what we're left with. Do any of us believe that any savvy manager would want the Everton job with the likes of Iwobi on the books?
The bigger worry is that other clubs will come in for Calvert-Lewin, Digne and Godfrey and leave us with the relegation fodder of Iwobi, Sigurdsson, Delph and Gomes.
Brands will need to really earn his keep in the coming weeks. I just hope that Blue Bill is kept well away from any negotiations. His continuing influence at the club is shocking and a huge worry. Moshiri must be one of the most gullible people on the planet.
558 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:13:38
The fucker isn't even Spanish.
What a repudiation of the Everton organization as a whole this serves as. More uncertainty, disorder and a now confirmed lack of progress. What the fuck the next manager will do with the likes of Doucouré and Allan would be anyone's guess.
Just another kick in the balls as an Evertonian. I really can't wait to see what happens next!
We really ought to have hired Bielsa. Unbelievable.
559 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:13:39
Carlo Ancelotti hesitated as he waited to sign his contract for Real Madrid. "Do I really want to do this?" he thought. "After all, Everton have Iwobi, Delph, Gomes, King and Bernard. Then again, Real Madrid have Modric, Benzema, Alaba, Kroos, Isco - oh what am I thinking? Give me the fucken pen!"
561 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:14:41
Kieran #554, either way, we've been Conned.
Daniel A. #540, thanks for posting that list. Interesting that Nuno is the favorite even with all the reports about him agreeing to terms with Palace. Remember, however, that Skybet isn't posting odds based on what they actually expect to happen, but with the purpose of attracting bets.
Martinez would be a 1000-1 shot in my opinion to leave the world's #1 team. And a million-to-one to be offered the job.
562 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:16:34
Carlo Ancelotti was our manager and I was proud of that and was keen to see who we brought in in the summer, but now it's up in the air.
We need to go after a big name: Simione, Conte, someone to stop us being a laughing stock!!
563 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:16:39
564 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:16:52
I genuinely worry for Moshiri in his meeting tonight:
Kenwright: "We'll it's obviously ‘Davey Moyes, Davey Moyes, Davey Davey Moyes, he's got grey hair.'
Voice of doom Kevin Ratcliffe pipes up: "It's a shit show, Mr Moshiri, but I've been talking to Colin, and I know he's cracking on a bit but I fully believe... me and him."
Duncan grabs him by the throat and the only decipherable words heard are "Snidey bastard!"
Moshiri's phone goes and 5 seconds later he says "We can get Oleg Blokhin, it's him." Brands behind him massaging his shoulders whispers in his ear "Wonderful choice, Mr Moshiri."
To be fair, I just want someone who will play attacking football and not ruin the majority of my weekends.
565 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:18:26
566 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:18:36
567 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:19:27
Sadly, I'm afraid I agree with that.
And now those who wanted Carlo gone can put their head on the block and say who they would want. Perhaps. Perhaps not.
568 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:19:30
Perhaps this is the reason that Real Madrid moved so quickly, as they are currently a Champions League club and Carlo may have had a get-out-clause that meant Everton had to release him from his contract, whereas, if La Reppublica is correct, by the end of the week Madrid won't be a Champions League club. Not that it matters.
569 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:20:27
The Ancelotti compensation package might enable a backroom clean out.
570 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:20:46
I am not worried he has gone – just terrified regarding who will replace him. Oh for a manager who knows what he is doing.
571 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:20:56
It will be interesting to see what Marcel serves up having a "clear plan" as to what the club wanted transfer wise after discussions with Carlo. This managerial move could have serious implications for team building as the new bloke will have to make his own assessments, its always fraught being an Evertonian
I hope we appoint a younger Manager with high energy and work ethics, someone who is going to build his career here. Please no ex-footballer who has been over promoted and without having the real experience of managing.
572 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:21:29
573 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:21:50
I'm sorry that you guys are feeling this clear sense of betrayal... but don't take it out on me.
I wrote an article on the eve of Carlo's appointment. I stated very clearly that I didn't think he was the right man and would not gain success without the top class players he is accustomed to be surrounded by. A forgone conclusion, I called it.
Does that make me right? Fuck no. He has been worse than I could ever have imagined.
Despite all the flack, most people gradually realised he could not get a tune out of this squad and began to come around to that thought. They began to blame the players for all of his short comings. Carlo could do no wrong.
Reading this thread, I suspect even Carlo's most loyal of acolytes are slightly relieved. It was becoming increasingly difficult to excuse and defend him. He has been a complete shambles.
Before we all get carried away talking about the next manager having to get Top 4 to escape crticism. let's give it a little thought. Whoever the poor fucker is, he will be inheriting the total shit-show Carlo leaves behind.
All the next manager has to do to improve on Carlo Fantastico is to finish in the Top 9 and play a bit of footy.
Carlo will be more suited to Real Madrid. He won't need to depend on his legendary pulling power, because the club already have it and will provide the Galacticos. He can then resume dining with a silver spoon in his mouth.
I won't play the idiotic game of naming the next manager. The usual suspects are already lining up to kick the hypothetical arse out of this imaginary contender. Let's find out who is actually in the running first before we have that debate.
Whoever the next manager is, I wish him well with all my heart, but I will not be happy-clapping anybody before he has given me good cause to. I've seen too much of it.
Maybe those who told us we were lucky to have Carlo will learn a little something too. Maybe they will wait for the next manager to actually achieve something before they commence with the Coronation.
I love Everton, and I only love managers when they can stand on the front of the open-top bus waving a trophy.
Let him go. Farewell.
574 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:22:28
The real question now will be: Who will our hapless owner Moshiri choose next? Nobody will have a clue.
Surely logic dictates that, after 3 awful choices so far (Koeman, Silva, and Ancelotti), he is due to pick a decent manager, hopefully suited to our style and expectations. I wouldn't bank on it though.
575 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:22:54
He had a contract. It's down to Evertonians to boo him and drive him out, not for another club to just claim him. Cheeky bastards. I think the job was beyond him anyway.
Fingers crossed for Nuno. Although he copied my beard, he worked wonders for Wolves.
576 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:23:41
577 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:23:48
We need to build and chopping the manager every 1½ years is killing us.
Was Ancelotti ever really an Everton manager? The whole thing always felt odd to me... very odd. Moshiri had his Hollywood manager which he baited with a massive salary but I'm now for long-term pragmatism with a slow rebuild.
Who we should get, I don't know... I just hope it's not another false Hollywood uncomfortable fit appointment like Don Carlo – who always had one eyebrow on the exit.
578 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:23:54
579 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:24:20
I think he'd clearly realised that he was out of his comfort zone managing such absolute dross.
I have always had my doubts if the job was just never really for him, if you can't supply him with world class talent then he's not a manager that can build a squad from nothing or turn water into wine.
I still didn't see this coming, mind you, it's all happening so fast it's hard to take in.
The last manager who I genuinely think was hurt to leave Everton was Roberto Martinez, maybe we should have just backed him with the millions we pissed on Koeman.
580 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:24:49
581 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:26:46
The question of whether he would have accomplished the kind of progress we are looking for in two or three years will never be answered now. Let's be honest, our football in the last few months was at times shocking.
The question of who should take over is now paramount. Let the board take their time and get it right.
What worries me most of all is the feeling that we have to start again now. New manager, new style and please God new players. This is going to take more time, more patience. Have we any left?
582 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:26:50
583 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:27:05
His recent experience of that break-in at home has very possibly upset his daughter so much (who disturbed the burglars) and (therefore) Carlo and wife as well, that this is a contributory factor if not the major factor.
584 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:28:28
These people run, and often, ruin our game.
Little or no chance for up-and-coming talents, too risky for most Premier League clubs no matter how good they might be.
Expect another from the same old merry-go-round
585 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:28:56
586 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:29:17
587 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:29:31
He'd scare the crap out of the accountant and he'd have Dame Edna over the boardroom table quicker than you can say Pinocchio. On second thoughts...
588 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:30:08
We have an ageing squad devoid of any real quality and every 1½ years we reset all the time. It keeps holding us back and eventually it will catch up with us and prove costly. If there is any big club in danger of falling out of the Premier League, it's Everton FC.
589 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:32:16
In reality, I can't blame Carlo one bit. Personally, I was hoping for him to be a big success but the end-of-season pathetic collapse had me worried about another costly sacking?!
I think our ability to attract star quality players has reduced but not sure if that's a bad thing?!
The ex Wolves man Nuno for me!!
It's shite being an Evertonian!
590 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:32:30
I don't believe there's any connection between Howe's move to Celtic falling through. Reading between the lines, it sounds like our board has had this sprung on them recently.
591 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:33:30
I read they are meeting tonight to launch the replacement exercise which, I suspect, will charge Chairman Bill with the lead role of the appointment process. No doubt the sounding out of David Moyes will be his first action and it will go downhill from there. Neil Young, anybody? He won more FA Cup games than Carlo did last season!
592 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:34:11
We need a fighter, a fucking war horse at this club, starting with getting rid of every single backroom staff and coach who has been here for more than 2 years. I include the CEO of this club also who is pointless in the structure of the club.
Secondly, why stay at Everton with a shit team living in a miserable country like England and where they rob your fucking house while your in. I seriously am happy he's gone... but so is he!
593 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:34:44
Useless in my book.
594 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:34:57
But the season will be remembered for the fuckin' awful football served up at Goodison Park. So not a shock for me. Those big names that may have been coming now won't. And goodbye to James.
Managers and players come and go... me, I'm still here and always will be. So we start again... and we still have a load of shite to get rid of.
595 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:35:29
Fair point I suppose!
Shame the law never catch or do anything to stop these little scrotes burgling houses of football managers/players.
596 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:37:04
597 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:37:29
Also, agree with Colin G. Where is the live forum?
598 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:37:37
599 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:39:45
Regards Madrid, me and the missus spent a few nights there a few years back, and honestly, we werent impressed with the place at all. Didnt find the people particularly friendly and was just like any other capital city in the world, grim and a bloody rip off place. Preferred Barcelona. Definitely a city we wont be returning too.
600 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:39:58
601 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:39:59
602 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:40:14
603 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:40:40
604 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:41:28
Some of his selections have been strange, to say the least, and his substitutions were usually like for like and far too late.
After blooding Gordon he seemed to have lost interest in the younger players and often had two 'keepers on the bench. Since December I can't recall a game where we were comfortable and I could have nipped into the kitchen for a cuppa.
The next 12 months would have been crucial both in recruitment and the style of play. Another season like the last one and I think he'd have been sacked anyway.
I have no idea who I'd fancy for the job but the likes of Gerrard, Lampard and Howe have, hopefully, no chance. We need a proven manager who is prepared to deal with some of the dross we currently have on the books and who will, at least, give some of the younger players a few minutes.
605 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:42:42
606 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:45:42
607 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:45:46
How long patience wise do you seriously think Graham Potter would get from Everton fans though?
I personally guarantee you that it would be Marco Silva written all over it again, defensive disorganized and fans using these players fragility as a stick to beat Potter with.
Personally it's a poisoned chalice the Everton job now.
608 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:46:28
On another note, according to some news outlets, Bielsa's contract ending in June! Another fine candidate maybe!!? Barring his age.
609 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:47:36
The next manager we get will believe that he can do better than 10th and also have us playing on the front foot especially at home.
610 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:48:28
611 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:49:14
Carlo backstabio Carlo he leavo, first opertuno, take the de niro, madrid is calling we are in moarrrrrning, no understannnndo, sort that eyebrow out.
612 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:50:28
613 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:52:08
Yes maybe your right, lovely football but again defensive nightmare.
Whoever takes over, whether it be Potter or a top end manager, this job is not an easy fix with this group of players, I can imagine that a lot depends on what Mishori says they have to spend
614 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:54:09
We were dreadful to watch last season. Dreadful. I'd have put up with it as a means to an end if we'd got into Europe, then bought better players, but we faded badly.
He didn't trust half the squad and didn't trust his own ability to get more out of them, so he kept it tight, nicked one and then didn't even do that.
So for me this is an opportunity to reset, with plenty of time to set things up for the season.
I'd like to be entertained, excited, off my seat. Pace, purpose and a genuine desire to win.
It's only a disaster if you wipe last season from your memory.
I felt lucky with Catterick, Kendall & Royle because they won things. That's when I'll next feel lucky.
615 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:54:28
616 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:55:09
617 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:55:55
Scenario 2: we appoint Benitez, lauding a real coup and continuing our recent tradition of shit talking spaniards. We sign Pedro from Roma and JonJo Shelvey. We finish 8th. Ian Edwards decries the worst football he's ever seen. Etc.
Scenario 3: we appoint Nuno Santos, lauding a real coup because he got Wolves into Europe. We sign 2 dozen Portuguese players registered with Mino Raiola and play sparkling football and finish 8th. Ian Edwards says he wants winning football not the new Kevin Keegan. Colin is relieved to see Iwobi sidelined due to the arrival of no less than 7 portuguese wingers.
I'll stop now.
618 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:56:12
Dont like any of the candidates mentioned so far.
But Ill put my tin hat on and throw a name in which I personally think might do well here given the circumstances. A bit left field. But he built a team that brought success and takes no shit and has a bit of fire in his belly.
(If I get lots of crap for mentioning him then Ill blame the heat!!! But there are worse candidates in the running than him. No star names, ex-blues or RS or relegated managers).
I dont know what the managers brief will be but EFC feels like a salvage operation at present.
619 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:58:32
620 Posted 01/06/2021 at 19:59:46
621 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:00:12
622 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:01:20
We could all speculate on the reasons but if you had to deal with Brands, Moshiri and Kenwright all with different opinions wouldnt you jump at the chance of managing Real Madrid.
Nuno for me is a portugese Moyes. He will have us consistently around 7th but will not break into the top 4 although bringing Neto and Jiminez to us would be attarctive.
Moyes has committed his future to West Ham but that means nothing in modern day football and if they go for Eddie Howe I see the championship beckoning.
623 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:01:33
624 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:02:12
And Rob, let me speculate that the Carlo move was out there by the time Nuno announced his departure. Never heard the details but others have noted that a family preference drove the announcement at the time. Things change quickly in England.
625 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:02:14
I so wanted him to succeed but was not convinced by him. Defensive, no energy, no passion in the team. We are not ready for this type of manager. Brands quite rightly wants to build a team based on youth whilst Carlo is used to buying experienced players. We cant afford to finance that and risked losing the bright young stars like Nkounkou,Small,Onyango and Sims to name just a few who must already be fed up at so many appearances on the bench but no real time on the pitch.
We need to revert to the Brands formula sprinkled with a few class experienced players and get a manager to inject passion and energy into the team.
Who that will be I dont know but I suspect this has been going on for a good few days now and I wonder if that is why Howe turned down Celtic?
626 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:02:58
627 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:03:04
628 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:04:03
629 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:04:16
I read a few weeks ago that Nuno leaving was based on "mutual consent" with the club feeling he had run his course, and he agreeing to leave. I've since read other papers indicating he initiated the departure so who knows?
630 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:05:29
By no means everyone 's Cup of tea but he is under 50 years old and would provided some stability for the club.
I would love to get Tim Cahill in to work with Dyche and be developed for the future. COYB.
631 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:06:24
Apart from the new stadium plan, and lets face it theres still plenty of time for that to go pear shaped, the whole project seems to be almost comically led and executed.
We're rapidly becoming the laughing stocks of the league and i'm increasingly worried that its going to end badly.
632 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:06:40
633 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:06:54
634 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:07:45
On the games since Xmas, it was clear by his attitude pitch side that Carlo had lost interest in Everton, as had the players and we as fans we had lost belief. For that reason I'm glad he is gone, but i'm not optimistic about the future. It just isn't possible to have all these managerial changes and hope that things will somehow work out, they won't! I personally would favour Moyes as the next manager with Dunc as his assistant, that would give us some sort of continuity, as well as a pairing that have a history with the club that can be built on. Mind you, if it is Moyes, before he is accepted, the Cunt will have to get down on his knees before Gwadlys Street and apologise for his 'moving to something better' comment.
635 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:08:20
636 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:08:59
Ian 619. I look forward to your posts now knowing the subject matter will be different hopefully.
Whoever the new manager is will probably take a season to realise what we all already know about the squad then given 6 months to turn it around before being sacked.
637 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:09:19
638 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:09:21
639 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:09:46
Lovely from Barcelona today re. Ronald “weve started a period of reflection and we are evaluating”. Doesnt sound too promising.
640 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:11:09
Was he really the man to turn us round - I suspect not. He didnt have the drive, motivation or skill set to do so - and deep down, he knew it too so he took the easy way out. The king is dead, long live the king...whoever he may be.
641 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:12:15
642 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:12:53
The more I think of what has happened the better I feel. The two goalie subs or failure to name a full bench was a disgrace as was the refusal to give King a chance and I cant help but feel that we have saved ourselves a shedload of compo here.
643 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:14:24
Plenty of good managers will be available we need someone to shake up the players and demand a winning mentality. Duncan/Cahill food for thought.
Crosby beach now free from a meandering docile old man walking a dog.
644 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:14:27
Apparently he likes strong team togetherness and a smaller pool of players to pick from. My mate said the football has been negative at times but he did say that had a lot to do with the aforementioned injuries and squad depth this season but he believes that could change with different players.
Apparently he's a really ethical guy too and gave away his own wages, donating to local food banks during lockdown. This might give some indication as to why he chose to walk away from the job. Maybe he honestly felt he'd taken Wolves as far as he could.
I think Howe has the greater potential but he's also the biggest risk. I can't help thinking he's another relegated Martinez clone who can set a team up to play nice football but has absolutely no idea if the other team sits back.
I think the realistic choice is between Nuno and Dunc but I'd love us to bring in another high profile manager, albeit younger like Conte, or Poch.
645 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:15:45
Chairman Bill's influence means Moyes must be seen as favourite but Nuno's recent joyful exit from Wolves tells me he's got something lined up !
646 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:16:48
Awful football. Let's do better.
647 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:17:29
648 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:20:23
649 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:21:33
650 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:21:56
The timing is interesting because it is also being reported that in 7 days time Real MAdrid will be banned from CL which would have negated the compo clause.
What was that about Satans curse.
651 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:22:38
Next Everton manager:
Nuno Espirito Santo - 13/5
Eddie Howe – 3/1
Rafa Benitez – 8/1
Antonio Conte – 9/1
Wayne Rooney – 9/1
David Moyes – 14/1
They are not usually that far off the mark.
652 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:23:47
If I was in their position it wouldn't be hard to not take the next mug errr manager seriously. Is it fair to ask why should they take the next manager seriously?
There is absolutely no foundation for success at Everton, other than perhaps a vague hope in Brands. As others have noted, for the amount of resources and time wasted to get this far is almost scandalous.
The club really needs to examine it's structure and consider it's next move very carefully. It's not unfair to say that the wrong move has us sliding off the map altogether.
We are living in interesting times.
653 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:24:08
654 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:26:06
655 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:26:51
656 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:28:55
657 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:29:25
There is nothing the club could do once he really wanted to go back to Madrid.
It's not because his house got burgled. Half the footballers between Formby and Alderley edge have been burgled.
They just get more security.
Also I don't think any new manager will need time to assess the current squad as managers are knowledge about other teams players and will more than likely know our players well and be aware of their lack of real quality.
Ancelotti has shit on us. Fuck em!
We move on and please God get it right this time.
659 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:31:03
660 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:31:27
661 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:31:53
The look of sheer bewilderment on his face at some of the totally disgracefull home performances by HIS team is something I never wish to see again from an Everton manager. Let's get a German manager who can kick arses and offload most of the crap we have on the books.
Up the Blues
662 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:32:34
663 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:33:52
Disappointed but onwards and upwards, to hopefully some stability.
664 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:34:25
665 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:34:48
666 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:34:50
667 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:36:04
668 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:36:05
The way he treated James Rodriguez fitness problems saying they were light problems (WHEN THEY WERE NOT) during months made it clear he wasnt honest. So why would we want someone like that as a boss?
Hope Espíritu Santo comes!
669 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:36:16
Klopp is never coming to Everton under any circumstances.
Its a wild ambition but just throw as much money as possible at Diego Simeone and leave it on the table for him to decide.
Otherwise you are looking at options which will be a gamble which managerial selection almost always is.
If you want a safe pair of hands then Sean Dyche has done a remarkable job at Burnley and is the pick of English / British managers for me. Much better option than Eddie Howe or Graham Potter.
If you want a foreign manager with experience of the Premier League then Bielsa is the way to go as far as Im concerned. I havent been as impressed as others seem to have been with Nuno Santos.
Rafa and Gerrard are ultimately a no under any circumstances for me and I would turn my back on the club if we ever made a shameless approach to Steven Gerrard.
All in all we have lost a wonderful manager but its an opportunity to do something different with someone who potentially will be in it for the long run
670 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:36:20
671 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:36:34
Of the others whoever it was Id want them to come in with fire, desire and fully motivated make a difference. God knows whod be qualified do that, Nuno Espirito would be my choice from the list above , its going to take someone with a strong and determined personality to bring EFC up to speed.
672 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:37:54
Look at the rebuild Moyes has done in 18 Months! West Ham were relegation fodder with riots in their own stadium. Along comes Moyes and its champions league fights and decent players like Coufal and Soucek.
"IF" he comes back he would do a decent job of rebuilding us thats for sure.
673 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:38:25
674 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:38:51
Good stuff. Been a while :)
675 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:39:48
676 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:39:59
677 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:41:17
678 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:41:26
Poch would be a coup, not staying at PSG, would be guaranteed a big salary, budget new stadium, and no interference from the owner, why would he go back to Levy, and Kane leaving? If not Lampard, his team won the Champions league, and would bring Gilmour and a few of the Chelsea young players with him.
679 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:42:45
Did Carlo not inherit a shit show?
"Im not playing name the new manager"
Only because your bumped up ego won't allow you to put yourself up for the slagging you would get if your choice didnt work.
680 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:45:08
As for attracting top players.... Allan? He isn't exactly setting the Premier League alight. James maybe... but he is constantly injured. Young players would never get a chance under him. Good riddance.
681 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:45:49
682 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:47:12
683 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:47:40
I dont want fucking ginger, Howe, Dyche, Potter, Benitez, Lampard or any other of the aforementioned losers. I want a revolution from top to bottom so we need a psycho nutter like Conte to shake things up. Or, a mini Pep like Luis Enrique.
Both will burn out after two seasons but my god will things change at Goodison.
684 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:48:13
685 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:48:48
686 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:48:57
687 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:49:06
688 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:50:09
689 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:50:19
690 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:50:32
691 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:51:00
AND IN OTHER NEWS England release the names of the Euros squad a day before they play a warm up game. WTFak have l entered the twighlight zone?? Its also reported that the released Lingard will start the game. So England go into the Euros not knowing or even playing the shape or 11 that will start. Fecking unbelievable if true.
692 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:51:21
They went for a more pragmatic rebuild approach with Moyes and have reaped the benefits.
Our next manager needs to be a builder and an organiser. We can save our Hollywood manager for 10 years from now when we hopefully have a squad of players worth more than a crock of shite.
693 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:51:34
Hope Madrid have a sh-t season and he gets the sack.
Time for Dunc to step up.
694 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:52:37
Chris Wilder anyone? At least he's got some spirit and stands up to anyone not in the club.
695 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:53:41
On the exit: “Everton would like to place on record its thanks to Carlo for his service to the club over the past 18 months."
Submitting it for the record is about as cold as it gets from a club like Everton. This was a raid and contractually (translation:reputationally) we were not well set for this. It was a move getting Carlo here but we could not secure the terms to prevent this from happening. Recent appointments indicate anything but a small club with respect to the market for coaches. So yeah, place your bets out loud or make your future criticisms in whispers thank you very much.
696 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:53:44
As ever, totally on top of all things Everton related.
697 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:53:48
Well, Carlo can fuck off...another mercenary, like so many players. The soul has gone out of football.
698 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:54:00
Daniel A, at least you have the balls to admit being a Moyes devotee.👍
699 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:54:01
Daniel A, at least you have the balls to admit being a Moyes devotee.👍
701 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:54:47
Jeez,I feel so old now...shit.
702 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:55:38
703 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:55:58
I noticed that too. About as minimalist as you can get. Take it they weren't happy
704 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:56:06
705 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:57:38
706 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:57:45
When things were going wrong I didn't (didn't want to) believe that he was the wrong man for the job and wasn't up to turning it around, or greatly improving the players under his charge.
Sadly, I guess I was wrong.
707 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:59:07
708 Posted 01/06/2021 at 20:59:51
709 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:00:24
We are in need of a rebuild and for me Moyes is good at doing that. I cant think of any other manager who is capable of rebuilding us like he could.
710 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:01:06
711 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:01:07
712 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:01:15
You must be asking yourself what it is you were clapping for the past 18 months.
New chapter. I bet the next fella, whoever he may be, finishes higher than tenth and we will play better football
713 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:01:24
714 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:03:05
The pitchfork mob are out " If anything fat Sams footie was prob better."
715 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:04:49
After you have asked yourself that, ask Darren for his preferred new manager.
716 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:05:05
717 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:05:20
I always said he is not the answer to our problems. He is just a outdated mercenary.
Now please move on to Bielsa or big dunc. No one else please.
718 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:05:26
719 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:08:33
720 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:09:12
Hes the new manager at AC Roma.
721 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:11:36
I know its very unlikely, but its slightly more of a possibility than Simeone .
722 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:12:01
723 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:12:07
724 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:13:54
725 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:14:17
726 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:14:52
727 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:14:58
728 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:16:15
Should be interesting
729 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:17:39
730 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:20:23
731 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:20:56
732 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:21:15
733 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:22:37
734 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:23:32
Let Duncan have a go with some ex Blues as assistants. The likes of Baines Cahill possibly even Rooney.
At least they understand the club and are loyal (apart from Rooney). Foreign managers do not really get us.
Bielsa can do for us what he's done to Leeds but cannot see him leave them.
735 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:26:01
My choices (in order) would be:
736 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:26:34
737 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:26:50
What did Joe say? I got the impression he wasn't too impressed when we hired Big Sam. If so, I can only imagine his views on everything since.
738 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:27:15
The biggest football news of the day is neatly tucked away underneath a picture of the ugly aforementioned RS player.
739 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:27:40
Posters gloating at a bad day because they got thier wish is poor form.
Thier determination to be "proved right" overides thier concern for the fate of our club after yet another backward step.
740 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:28:21
741 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:28:29
742 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:29:04
We paid top dollar for an elite manager and it flopped horrendously so every justification in revisiting the Kenwright model. Appoint an unknown like Moyes for relative buttons until he proves himself or save even more dough by giving it to Dunc!!
CA and Madrid getting all the flak as well - old Mosh must be sitting there glugging on the champers murmuring "now that's what I call a result"
743 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:29:08
744 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:30:37
745 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:30:45
746 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:32:15
The problem with Enrique is he is managing Spain and I can't seem him bailing before the Euros. Which would mean a protracted summer long chase like with Koeman and a reduced window for signings/training involving him.
Ian Smith 743
How on Earth would Southgate work out? At best he picks no more than two Everton players at a time. That would be 38 forfeited games.
747 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:32:26
Got you now. Thought it was the other way round. Unfortunately we have too many below par players that would not get the contract they are on anywhere else. Probably one of the reasons Ancelotti is gone.
Those that say that Conte will go to Barcelona or PSG are probably right. Ponchettino to Spurs, the fool. We are probably in the relms of the dreaded 'up and coming Manager circuit'.
Bielsa probably the best , though how would he get on at Finch Farm. Zidane would be better , has a good headbutt.
My favourite us the Columbian Manager. Seems to know a committed player when he sees one and if his aim is 500% he maybe able to change thing that badly need changed at Everton.
748 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:32:48
749 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:33:09
750 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:33:12
751 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:33:29
752 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:34:35
753 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:34:50
754 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:34:51
755 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:35:50
You can do better - what about those nice girls, Miss Potter or Miss Howe your Mum likes? Even if you do really fancy that slatternly Ms Conte...
756 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:36:40
Did he challenge Moshiris publicly stated view that we have a great squad of players who just need managing properly? I suspect he did and Moshiri wouldnt listen. I think Ancelottis recent comments at press conferences that hes ‘not a magician and that ‘we are a team thats better without the ball speaks volumes. I think Ancelotti knew damn well what was wrong and what was needed to repair the team, but Moshiri and maybe Brands wouldnt have it.
In addition I think the burglary at Ancelottis home earlier this year will have impacted him and his wife.
More to this than Real came calling and he couldnt resist I think.
757 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:39:36
758 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:40:12
759 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:40:41
Have I been on the pop?
LOL. No, I havent yet.
But there are some on here who seem to have been on the lash all afternoon (without mentioning names).
Some have suggested Simeone / Poch etc. Ill have some of what they are smoking. I like ambition but it has to be grounded in reality. Pearson or his ilk is much more realistic and appropriate given where we are on the expensive road to nowhere.
This club needs a massive reality check. Our pulling power is poor. No trophy for 26 years, no Europe and a lofty 10th after the millions wasted. Any star name is only coming for the money and taking the piss in my opinion.
We need to build again much like (sad to say) after the Walter Smith era. I dont particularly want DM back but the job he did and is capable of suggests someone (unknown) of his type is required rather than a Big Time Charlie.
Unless we get the right man this time (rather than another impulse buy at the checkout), I think our top flight tenure is most definitely at risk next season. There are not too many of this lot Id want in the trenches with me.
And the recruitment of the last few managers since DM left does not suggest any clued-up thinking in the Everton way (whatever that is these days). Allardyce to Ancelotti could be a new mockumentary.
Have I been on the pop?
EFC is, as you well know, a very sobering experience with a guaranteed kick in the nuts as part of the deal.
Root and branch job at every level if we are to progress. Not “lipstick on a pig”.
760 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:42:48
761 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:43:29
A lot of speculation about Poch going back to Spurs, didn't he leave over Levy?
762 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:44:43
763 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:46:29
Nobody else. Let it sink in.
He will pick the next one too. 2 things we know he definately does, is picks the manager and give him some spends.
Brands is on a 3 year deal isn't he? I can't see the owner leaving it to Brands. Sadly this time it'll be harder to get the big name Moshiri likes to bring.
Once the target is decided, all three clowns will sit together and discuss how to get him and what direction to go transfer wise.
Before Moshiri arrived we had just been in 2 semi finals and not long before, reached our best prem points total.
We haven't looked closer to a trophy since. All facts.
764 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:46:49
Who next? Let's stop please aiming for the stars before building foundations. In the defence of David Moyes he made us regular top 7 and one 4th place with a limited budget with a average squad. A better squad and few more additions could he do better? Does he deserve a second chance? None of the other managers being mentioned have Everton in their heart and passion for Everton to succeed than him.
Rafa is short term, do we need a manager with a long term plan? His reported "small club" comment is hard to forget if results don't go well. Nuno is a contender due what he has done with wolves is incredible. Football is good on the eye and only for a injury hit season top six may have happened. Big Dunc is a possibility but does he feel ready or want it?
Its the next chapter of Everton... anything is possible!
765 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:47:41
His daughter disturbed them and has since developed severe anxiety as a result.
She wouldn't stay in the house alone.
Who can blame him for not wanting to look after his family.
The poor girl was terrified out of her mind.
766 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:52:02
767 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:52:26
Maybe the players are just crap after all?
768 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:52:59
769 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:54:17
770 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:55:12
771 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:55:26
I agree. Anchelotti was really putting it up to the Board, Management and players, of Everton, including Brands at the end of the season. I think it was essential he qualified for Europe to stand any chance to push through the necessary changes. He was a lone voice and probably realised that nothing was going to change.
The team where not playing for him , so the vibes where being filtered down. Interestingly , the Stalwarts where confident enough to come to the fore in the Media at the end of the season.
Probably celebrations at Finch Farm that Ancelotti has gone.
772 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:56:17
773 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:57:33
Bloody right m8.
774 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:58:03
775 Posted 01/06/2021 at 21:58:42
Christophe Galtier of Lille would be interesting, not sure if he speaks good English, but money talks.
And he knows how to blood young pacy players, sell on, and bring another one in and blood again.
776 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:00:15
777 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:01:09
778 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:02:03
Its as if people feel that if they criticise Moshi, they are scared he might pull his dough and we will be truly screwed. So they keep giving it to Kenwright as the easy target.
Unfotunately, Moshiri was a day late and a dollar short and to my mind clueless. Certainly from a football perspective. Today just laid bare to the football world what many of us already know. In today's football world we are irrelevant. A sad fact to those, like me of certain generations who have seen succesful teams.
It's proven by the fact that Carter was at the forefront of the PL breakaway at a time when Everton were still seen as one of the 'Big 5', even though admittedly we were in decline. We continued to be ran like a corner shop despite the money pouring into the game. Don't seem to be run much better now just stumbling from one failed manager to another and average players on big contracts we can't get rid of. The fact Besic spent 7 years at Everton should be subject of an investigation alone.
Near 30 yrs later, the only one of those five clubs not in today's big 6 is .....!!!
779 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:04:07
I'd ask Duncan to take the job for twelve months, whilst the club has an honest appraisal of what it wants to be in the next five to ten years, and then it might be able to choose the right manager for that vision.
780 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:07:50
We are in big trouble. We'll get Eddie Howe and just watch him be sacked next year as we will be hovering above relegation.
781 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:12:26
So what's next? Do we risk a top manager who will leave at any moment or do we go for Moyes or Howe or similar? I know how I feel today.
It's a tough decision to bring the right man in but for my money id rather have somebody that wants to be at Everton and will stick around for the long term.
So goodbye, Carlo, a man who allowed me to dare to dream and yet let us down. You won't be missed.
782 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:14:58
783 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:18:23
784 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:19:30
I'd love for Big Dunc to succeed. though.
785 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:19:55
786 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:21:39
I think we all felt that about Gerard when he played for Liverpool. However, I would take him in a heart beat. He is a winner, demands the best from his players, and boy would it piss the RS off. What hes done at Rangers has been nothing short of remarkable
The only issue being that once Klopp left hed probably jump ship straight into that role
787 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:22:56
One thing is massive for us. The next buys need to be perfect or the new man has the same problems which is a slow, thoughtless, injury prone squad.
788 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:24:26
Why would Duncan be the right choice on what basis should he get the job?
Hes 50 this year and has only ever managed any football team in 4 matches in his life.
Hes also been a key member of the last few management teams that have all under performed.
789 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:29:42
Youve hit the nail on the head there. The managers we have sacked are now managing Real Madrid, Barcelona and Belgium!!!
It doesnt matter who our manager is. Give it to the tea lady. It makes no difference. While we have shit, underperforming players displaying a lack of effort, no manager can make us work. Weve all worked alongside a lazy sod. You might tolerate it for a while, but at some point, you start to resent it and you start doing less yourself. This is the Everton culture while we have players like Sigurdsson, Gomes and Bernard in our midfield. How on earth are the likes of Besic still on our books?
Im gutted tonight. No one can seriously blame Ancelotti for going to Real Madrid. Hes back in the big time at one of the top 10 teams in world football, playing in the CL! If he has struggled to get a tune out of some of these players, we are fucked.
A new manager will come in, he will crack the whip and get us going again...and then the good old Everton disease will kick in. Effort levels will drop while we see players running down their contracts and putting in fuck all effort. Results will drop off. And then there will be fans calling for the new managers head, he will get sacked and the cycle will begin again.
Ancelotti has called the players out at the end of the season there. Hes no doubt asked for reinforcements having made the strange decision to name 2 keepers on the bench towards the end of the season. Hes then had a meeting with Brands and co where they have talked about our budget for the coming season. Hes then left the club. Makes me think he knew he was going to be lumbered with the same shit old squad next season, with a limited budget for bringing top players in. And hes jumped ship.
Ancelotti made some very strange choices at times last season. Performances, selections, tactics could all be criticised. But I cant help thinking we are fucked without him, certainly looking at some of the potential candidates to replace him. Bad times to be an Evertonian...
790 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:29:46
791 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:29:58
After the usual Euro Championship wheels fly off, he will also have a track record of failure that would fit us like a glove. Oh, and he's a nice chap too.
Expect the appointment a week after Scotland do a job on the missing midfield and temporary/stand in England centre backs.
792 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:30:47
793 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:33:12
794 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:34:53
795 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:34:54
796 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:37:27
Leading the popularity stakes are managers whod have zero interest in Everton if it wasnt for money and whod not stick around for long. Has nobody learned anything?
We need someone wholl build, who feels blessed to be here, who can pick out a diamond in the rough. Someone who is a decent human being and a savvy football tactician.
Someone who can deliver a Martinez first season with the consistency of Moyes.
And who is that person? No bloody idea.
797 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:41:08
798 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:41:23
Fabrizio Romano who broke this story just Tweeted that PSG are negotiating to get Moise Kean on loan again
799 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:47:20
800 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:48:25
801 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:50:29
The Daily Mirror are really pushing Moyes. If he does end up coming back he can hopefully pursued West Ham to sell Soucek to us.
802 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:50:30
If we need a rebuild then, no, it's not Carlo. If we thought we could add a few big names and challenge then, yes, he'd be the right man.
My fear was that we'd fall inbetween the two because we had Carlo available. Basically keep us around 10th until the stadium is built.
So I'm not devastated. We can pick a manager that fits our current predicament and can start the process of rebuilding this squad. Carlo wasn't that manager.
803 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:51:35
I think you mean Joachim Löw. He's been touted before and is a good shout having recently become available. I can't see it happening though.
The pragmatic in me wants Potter. It makes sense on paper and after Carlos turgid set-up his expansive, chance creating style would be a breath of fresh air and give cause for some optimism. He's also British which I think will be something fresh too. 14/1 looks a big price for me.
Shouts for Conte etc are crazy, in my opinion.
804 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:53:09
Who could come in and totally change the way the club operates to make everything more professional? The last thing we want is a weak yes man that slots into the same failing systems.
A team builder from the bottom up with gravitas with a strong no nonsense personality. I want someone to give us an identity and get us playing as an organised team like Leeds but with better players to get us further.
No name jumps out as being the obvious choice, or one that everyone would be happy with. Ive resorted to praying that we get the right man in.
805 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:53:21
806 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:53:53
Our squad may be second string, lazy, overpaid chancers but they were all sold the promise that this was a club that was going places. So did the succession of managers - WRONG
Which player or manager - who could genuinely be a catalyst for change - is now going to buy into Project Everton - a club that couldn't even get into the Europa league or finish above Leeds - managed by Ancelotti.
Anyone clinging on to a fresh start optimism here is delusional.
I'm afraid we have to accept the bitter truth that we are rank average club run by people who are rank average.
807 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:54:39
808 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:55:40
809 Posted 01/06/2021 at 22:56:06
810 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:00:02
Firstly, Gerrard !!!!!! Come on think straight. Irrespective of the fact he was a Red what has he done. Led Rangers to beat out one other opponent to win the Scottish title. It's not worth mentioning.
Ancellotti is a quitter and getting the Blues to finish tenth even behind promoted Leeds was awful. The last 5 months alone were enough to have doubts about what he can still do.
He started basically with a defeat to RS reserves and ended with a 5-0 drubbing by a City team with nothing to play for.
If it weren't for the win over RS there would be nothing to remember him by.
He came in for the big money, did nothing and left for even bigger money. Good riddance.
811 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:00:19
Jardim + his scouting team will do it for me. Same team that unearthed gems such as Mbape et. al.
812 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:00:34
Maybe we can do a double deal for Soucek and Moyes. Have Soucek sign his papers first then say “suckers” and leave Moyes and Karen Brady in the lurch
813 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:00:46
The season of clubs going back: Allegri to Juve, Carlo to Real, Poch to Spurs (maybe).
How about Martinez?
He still speaks affectionately about our club. And maybe his time as Belgium manager will have seen him develop and mature (and set up a defence). After the Euros, it may be time for a return to club football.
Madder things have happened
814 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:03:29
Id sooner see Souness back at Liverpool
815 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:03:59
Then we can all go and support a proper football club...
816 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:06:01
817 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:06:04
818 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:08:56
You reap what you sow.
819 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:12:42
We are fucked. Awful news.
820 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:13:05
821 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:15:05
822 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:15:07
823 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:16:02
824 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:18:28
825 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:20:05
826 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:27:23
We are now back to square one, hiring a manager to get the squad we have into a winning unit. Five have failed so who will want this hot seat and be successful.
I see people suggesting managers from the lower half of the league, Why ? they have not won anything., and what makes people think they will be capable of turning the Everton squad around as most supporters think 50% of them need selling.
We don't need someone who plays nice football and remains mid table, we need a disciplinarian who doesn't give a f--ck about reputations, we need someone who knows the game not one who is learning.
Please don't mention Moyes name he is the past we need to look at the future before we end up like Sunderland or Sheffield Wednesday.
I do not have an opinion who we should hire but German managers seem to be the flavor of the month. Bielsa with Leeds seems a good choice, but would he leave, plus he had the luxury of being in the championship league for a couple of seasons to build up his team.
It seems at Everton supporters want instant success, and that is not going to happen. This latest fiasco makes me believe that we are not giving any manager a fair chance of succeeding. The next one has to be given a chance, we are not Chelsea where managers are fired regularly with the understanding they have world class players and a new manager has to have results instantly.
Any new manager at Everton should be offered a rolling contract that depends on the position or trophies he achieves, if they don't want to prove how good they are to bad, get someone who will.
827 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:28:25
Whoever the next manager is, a lot of his success/failure will depend on whether or not the players like him or not.
That (as frustrating as it might be) is the reality of football in 2021
Moyes knocked chips on the head at Utd's canteen, players had him out of there.
Mourinho (who has 'won everything') wasn't 'liked' by Utd players, so he went.
Players are in charge now and the days of 'Shanks' or 'Cloughie' etc sticking players in the reserves until they shape up are long gone.
Once a player signs a 4/5 year deal for 50k or more a week, he's made for life and his manager can scream til he's red in the face, if the player doesn't like being shouted at, he won't perform and there's nothing anyone can do.
Remember Koeman tried the hardman act with Niasse and Niasse was there well after Koeman had gone (in the words of Alan Partridge 'read your CONE-tract')
Whoever can go in and get them to want to put in the sweat and effort and desire of (for example) Liecester will do me.
828 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:30:02
We could do worse as he would certainly not accept the efforts and mediocracy we witnessed in the past few seasons. I also understandthat he gave Jordan Henderson his break in Sunderland so has an eye for honest talent and leaders
829 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:30:38
I wasn't a fan of Ancelotti, and like Mouirinho, I feel he was living largely on his past reputation. I would love to see Brendan Rogers take over, and we should go after him aggressively.
830 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:31:32
831 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:31:36
We should at least be speaking to Galtier as well in case Poch goes to Spurs. Nothing to lose by speaking to him, and not in contract.
832 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:33:58
We have hopefully got some large compensation for this at the very minimum.
But this us football, we move on.
For me line up Mancini for after the Euros or give Lampard a chance. Both have unfinished business in the Premier league. Both know what it takes to win in the Premier league.
833 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:36:33
Under Koeman we brought in too many attacking midfielders which meant we had no balance, then under Silva, we recruited the right players for his system but didn't have enough all round midfielders so that when we changed the system to a 4-4-2 under Ancelotti, he saw we were lacking so brought in Allan and Doucoure thus meaning the likes of Bernard and Iwobi and Walcott were surplus to requirements.
Knowing us, we will go and get a gegenpressing coach which won't suit DCL, Gylfi or James so we have to spend again.
No! No! No!
Get a man-manager without a "philosophy" who is flexible in what they can do. Blimey, I don't like the cheer leader type of coaches like Klopp or OGS but if that is what it takes to get a tune out of this bunch of under performing clowns, so be it. We cannot keep changing the way we play and then ship in lots of players specific to that like Bernard, Schneiderlin, James, Gylfi, Klaassen, Gomes...it is not sustainable for another 5 seasons.
As for our latest former coach. He seemed to spend a lot of his reign trying to send a message to the owner. The one advantage of all our purchases in the last 5 seasons is that we have plenty of options, many of which he would not countenance, instead preferring to play a defensive and stubborn brand of football and overlooking Bernard, Gordon and loaning out the raw pace of Walcott so that we had nothing down the right when James was injured for 3 out of 4 games.
I want a coach who gets the maximum out of what he has available.
835 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:45:27
Big Dunc and Unsworth no ambition to manage just after an easy life on the Everton gravy train.
836 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:46:47
837 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:59:11
What about wanting to be here when BMD was ready?
Do you still believe the ESL clubs should be docked points?
838 Posted 01/06/2021 at 23:59:11
What about wanting to be here when BMD was ready?
Do you still believe the ESL clubs should be docked points?
839 Posted 02/06/2021 at 00:11:26
Keane is great at publicly and privately belittling and humiliating players. Beyond that his coaching career is a dismal failure and hes a thug
840 Posted 02/06/2021 at 00:14:38
Everton need someone to turn the club on its head and start again. Someone who doesnt suffer fools.
A Catterick or a Shankly type - showing my age I know- or a Kendall (even he took a few years to get it right)
841 Posted 01/06/2021 at 00:19:01
When he arrived there was comment on here from one or two of us alleging they were in the know with some FF staff. They reported Moshiri was ONLY interested in "yes-men" who kow-towed to his own football "wisdom". Fortunately for him the club was stuffed full of such people, and still is, courtesy of we all know who.
Moshiri is ultimately responsible. He's a proven football imbecile if the terrible decisions were his alone, and a proven football imbecile if any of those football imbeciles he trusted are still at the club, as they patently are.
So Mr Mosh, are you this time, for once, going to take advice from some other non-footballing nerd called Einstein and avoid proving yourself to be insane by now doing something different than before in the pursuit of your now sepia-tinted three-year "project"?
The next manager, for the sake of the fans and any chance of success, needs to make it very clear to our man in Monaco that he wants USMFF and the boardroom to be routed of the canker that's enveloped everything ever since the Premier League was incepted before he even contemplates signing a contract.
842 Posted 02/06/2021 at 00:35:39
Anyway, I really don't have the energy to whip myself into a frenzy over yet another managerial search. At this point, even bringing Moyes back would likely generate little more than an apathetic shrug on my part. I just want someone who's capable of actually sticking around for more than 18 months.
843 Posted 02/06/2021 at 01:31:40
I'm pretty sure Moshiri will prefer to appoint another established name. That probably makes the Fat Spanish Waiter the favourite.
844 Posted 02/06/2021 at 01:32:03
845 Posted 02/06/2021 at 02:05:41
Seriously? Got 59 points this season, which most years is Europe, even 5th!
Had Carlo stayed we knew we needed new players, that hasnt changed.
As for managers? Poch, biesla and Simone absolutely beast their teams. Maximum fitness is a requirement. Trippier reckons the training at Athletico was tougher than Spurs. This squad isnt going to be able to do that without an overhaul.
846 Posted 02/06/2021 at 03:18:53
Conspiracy theories please?
As for a replacement manager, why would Moyes be interested in moving back when he has just had his most successful year yet with West Ham?
As for the replacement for Carlo goes, if we don't get rid of the lazy, gutless, shit-stirring players within the current squad then it doesn't really matter who we employ as manager/coach.
On the lighter side, an early poster on this thread suggested the Pecorino guy. Can we sheepishly say it will be hard Cheese if we don't get him?
Whatever, we need to get a move on!
847 Posted 02/06/2021 at 03:35:29
Poch?? Only Spurs..
Simione?? See Gerrard..
Conte???? Jesus fucking Christ he's just won Serie A...laughable..
Bielsa??? Unlike Ancelloti I feel he is far too principled. Its also hugely disrespectful towards Leeds. They are better than us already under his stewardship why the fuck would he swop them for us??
We need to really get lucky this time, cause we know there is never any strategic planning at Everton.
Nuno for me. Knows the league, playing decent football and maybe has the potential to be the next Poch. He would also see us as a step up.
Yes Ancelloti came, he's 62 and left for RM. Sadly thats just football. However all he did was finish 10th playing mostly atrocious football. I seriously doubt he thought RM would coming knocking again but the reality is there are probably only half a dozen coaches in the world who would be ever considered due to the size, expectations and talent that needs managing.
848 Posted 02/06/2021 at 04:59:16
Moyes is our ex manager and lets hope it stays that way. One good season isnt a good reason to bring the trophy less one back to Goodson
849 Posted 02/06/2021 at 05:09:10
I don't know what he would have done next season, but that does not matter anymore. HE HAS GONE and we have to find a new saviour for the sinking ship. This is a pretty useless post because I have NO idea or recommendations about who might be the best option as a manager.
Quite often I have posted this opinion about the present Everton team and whoever comes will have to do something about it. "I THINK WE WERE THE LEAST FIT AND SLOWEST TEAM IN THE PREMIER". I highlight to give emphasis.Football brilliance is useless without endeavour and FITNESS.
I also think Ancelotti knew he would be leaving before the last ten games of the season. He really had lost interest and this must have affected his general disposition as shown by many dreadful Everton performances.
850 Posted 02/06/2021 at 05:37:16
Carlo thinks he is the "complete defender"..
851 Posted 02/06/2021 at 05:41:22
852 Posted 02/06/2021 at 06:18:50
853 Posted 02/06/2021 at 06:29:31
But; I do have a few caveats on who I don't want:
1. Duncan or anyone else from within. Stop this emotional nonsense. That's for us fans.
2. Him. The one I feel dirty for him ever having managed our club.
3. Moyes. He's gone. He never won anything here in 11 years and has failed everywhere since. He got West Ham into Europe. He done that with us and drank champagne on live TV.
And keep Kenwright away from this. Moshiri & Brands need to make this call.
In reflection on Ancellotti, I am hugely disappointed and feel let down.
But in overnight reflection, there are probably a number of things going on here. Firstly and, realistically, how does he turn that opportunity down at his age? As some have said, it's more his type of gig. Despite the reported financial troubles, only 2 points off winning the league this season and in the Champions League next season. Hypothetically, had they come in for a player, we'd have struggled to keep them.
I also can't help thinking the personal stuff may have played a part. Both in our later season form, and his decision once this became an opportunity.
And finally the fans. Carlo never really got an extended feel for playing in front of the Everton following. More difficult to connect and very sterile, but that goes for all clubs.
Let's see what the club comes up with next. Although this one was mostly out of our hands, just please stop the managerial merry go round whatever do next. That's why its so important we get this one right.
854 Posted 02/06/2021 at 06:47:44
Danny , I have the same caveats .
I want someone with a pair of balls big enough to stamp his authority right through the club from FF to the First team . Like Pochettino at Spurs when he was manager there or like what Simeone has done at Atletico . A new level of professionalism and motivation is needed throughout. I want someone who will build a dynamic, feared and proud team and a clear Everton identity that lasts .
BBC have erased Everton from existence.
Just watched the Breakfast sports news.
1 Players released from Englands squad, they listed six. Ben Godfrey omitted from the report entirely.
2 No mention whatsoever about Ancelotti leaving.
855 Posted 02/06/2021 at 06:49:05
Dont think he did too bad at Sunderland and Ipswich.
And for me at Everton we have been too nice for too long and he would I still a bit of fight. He gets at players but I suspect primarily those who are not giving their best. Hasnt that been our problem. I believe he would instill NISO in the team
856 Posted 02/06/2021 at 06:49:06
Dont think he did too bad at Sunderland and Ipswich.
And for me at Everton we have been too nice for too long and he would I still a bit of fight. He gets at players but I suspect primarily those who are not giving their best. Hasnt that been our problem. I believe he would instill NISO in the team
857 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:10:09
Someone tell me it's just paper talk.
It is just paper talk isn't it?
858 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:15:59
Rafa Benitez. Its humiliating I know but weve humiliated ourselves before with fat Sam so why not with the FSW? I hate the idea but hes the only one out there with stature and a record of winning.
859 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:19:58
I want the guy from Lille or Jardim. I suspect I'll get Nuno from Wolves.
860 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:26:57
And he also manages the most helpfully reffed team in Scotland and could still only win one trophy.
The St Johnstone manager would. A better shout ffs, two of the same nine trophies on a budget about a fiftieth of what Gerrard has.
861 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:27:43
" the Everton way"...whatever the hell that is. Sure, it hurt when he called us a small club. But, hand on heart, was he wrong ?
We won't go for him, mind.
862 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:36:53
Two of the most talented Everton players I watched were ex-Liverpool, so I'm not averse to having an ex-Liverpool manager as much as that will dismay some.
I didn't mention Gerrard as I think that one would be too raw and controversial all around. And not just with us. There is a difference between someone like Benitez and an out-and-out red like Gerrard.
Aside from that, I reckon he's biding his time like Lampard. Earning his spurs and waiting for Klopp to eventually leave. I don't believe he'd be interested and I don't think he'd be a good choice.
863 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:40:46
By way of perspective, we have the 7th most valuable squad in the Prem but it is a mess hence our 12th and 10th finishes in the last couple of years. With a net spend of about £60m we will rise to about 8th.
This would have happened under Ancelotti - and is likely to happen under, say, Santos, Potter or Ten Haag.
We're not getting relegated and we're not getting into the top 4. The last 18 months shows a big name can't just hire a magic wand. Money talks.
So we don't need someone to steady the ship. We are steady - steady in mid-table. We need someone to build from a good but devastatingly boring base by adding about 5 players with pace and potential and coaching those players.
Those 5 players need to be bought in conjunction with Brands, not in conflict with him.
Benitez is just not the man for the job.
864 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:45:41
Rafa comes across as someone who is not a ‘yes man, someone with very strong opinions who may not fit into BKs Everton cuddly family world view. Nuno, in this respect, would appear to be a safer option.
865 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:46:14
We need better players. We can appoint whoever we want. But we still need better players throughout the squad.
Moshiri and Brands; this should be a wake up call. I'm not taking Carlo's personal matters or opportunity to go back to Real out of the equation, but you could visibly see his increasing frustration in recent weeks with the tools he was working with.
866 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:46:44
For those that think the club are a perpetual laughing stock then our Roy is the man to keep the show on the road.
867 Posted 02/06/2021 at 07:57:10
868 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:03:38
I think it's because he's too much of a red. And that's more on his part than ours.
As previous. Waiting his time until Klopp eventually departs in my opinion.
But who knows in football? Two days ago I was of the opinion Carlo was here for another 2 years at least!!!
869 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:07:31
870 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:07:32
871 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:13:43
872 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:14:14
873 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:14:59
874 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:17:06
Carlo Magnifique? No
F**k off senor Don Carlo
875 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:17:12
Rangers were still a basket case when Stevie G arrived and in a relatively short time with minimum spend he has turned the Club around on and off the field
He brought in people he knew as part of his team, one in particular, Michael Beale, he credits as transforming coaching, training and tactics.
Obviously the standard of competition in the SPL is nowhere near the PL but taken in context and relatively speaking Gerard has worked wonders
876 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:21:29
877 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:22:37
878 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:27:29
879 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:29:29
IMO We need an experienced but relatively young ballsy manager with a dynamic back room crew and an understanding of how to get teams fit for the trials and tribulations of EPL week in week out.
Have questions but no answers for some respects such as:
Worried that Carlo will try to attract Digne over to RM.
Like to see a clean out of MF but keep Godfrey and Doucouré.
Of course - new winger on the right. Isn't Pedro too old for us?
And a RB to succeed Seamus.
880 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:37:11
His only saving grace for me was if, and that's a big if, he was going to attract the better players we need.
We'll never know and that doesn't matter now.
But ultimately, I'm not sure the situation's much different to yesterday.
Recruitment is everything. Moshiri is poor at it. Brands is patchy at it. They need to do better this time.
881 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:37:58
Benitez I can accept. The ‘small club' barb was out of order, but it was a long time ago. Unfortunately so was his success though, so not sure it wouldn't just be too short-term.
Safest bet would be Moyes if we want to stay 7th-10th until we move to Bramley-Moore Dock, but not sure how that's in our interest either.
We need to roll the dice again I think. If we can't get a Ten Hag, then it's surely a gamble on the likes of Potter or Santo.
882 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:46:28
What you will get is with Benitez is zonal marking and we have been there before.
883 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:47:43
884 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:47:57
886 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:55:53
887 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:56:08
888 Posted 02/06/2021 at 08:56:51
Surely all teams and certainly all top teams play zonal marking?
889 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:01:14
Not sure do they, oh in that case ignore my last message
890 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:03:53
Team has no identity at present, just a loose collection of expensively assembled players. After enduring the dross of utterly clueless managers, Silva, Koeman, Allardyce, Martinez and also seeing a world-class abandon the task, I feel the manager's job should be given to Ferguson.
If nothing else, he would change the atmosphere and not accept a lack of effort; which would be ironic as he often seemed that he couldn't be arsed when a player.
891 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:14:53
892 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:15:40
On the zonal marking. Theoretically zonal marking should work better than man-to-man because the defence dictates where it wants to be and doesn't (shouldn't) get pulled out of shape by the forwards therefore creating space. Everyone knows (should know) the space they have to mark.
But it requires the right defenders, absolute concentration and taking responsibility for your zone.
Some may not agree, and yes, it's higher risk, but get it right and it is more effective because the defence are calling the shots to their own tune and not being dictated to by the opposition forwards.
Think of it like holding the line when defending a free kick. The forwards will tease and entice the defenders to drop deep. But a good defensive line will hold its nerve and hold its line.
893 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:28:28
Re 'we want someone who takes no shit', that's a nice fist-pumping, snarly-faced sentiment, but these days, will get you/us nowhere.
Thomas Tuchel substituted a sub very early on in his tenure at Chelsea (just about 3 months ago) as he was unhappy with his attitude / energy. He set the bar at a group of under-performing players and they responded by raising their game substantially and are now European Champions.
I'm sure there are many more strings to his bow but I'm convinced that “taking no shit” is one of them. There are ways and means of doing it depending on the characters involved. To suggest that modern-day footballers can't handle it depends on many things.
The other side of the equation is the players' attitudes. Do they respond positively because they are winners or sulk and run to mummy? If they are of the latter variety then they will win nothing and need to be shown the door.
As I stated earlier on this thread, our next manager will most definitely need to use that skill appropriately to raise the bar here. Because the attitude and energy throughout the team (and club) appears to be lacking given where the fans want us to be. (There are very few honourable exceptions such as Coleman and Godfrey.)
But Nil Satis needs to be instilled in our club from Day 1. It has been missing for some time now from the boardroom down. We need someone to set the bar ambitiously and realistically – raise it progressively – and accept nothing less.
I don't know who that manager is but, in my opinion, that is the type we need. Not someone who excels at media training / double-speak and uses that same skill to try and convince us (and the team he is managing) that the dross we've just watched with our own eyes was anywhere near acceptable. That just lowers the bar as does the perennial "we must do better next time" (just 'kin do it then!!!).
(And not Stevie G. His appointment would not be acceptable for many other reasons.)
894 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:29:19
Secondly, I think those making the decision on who will replace Ancelotti will see the idea of a complete reset is a non-starter – they will want someone to step in with character to keep hold of our best players and bringing in targets already identified (with some minor tweaking obviously).
Our recent history suggests that although Kenwright and Brands have their say, it is the majority shareholder who decides. So that for me makes me think we are likely to target another ‘Hollywood' manager and will see us try for someone in that bracket.
I would love to see a real left-field move – a Pochettino to Southampton, Wenger to Arsenal type move. It would at least look like we have done our homework and the decision rests with the DoF, which should be the case.
895 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:35:55
None of the up-and-coming British managers or even the tried and tested ones seem a good fit for Everton.
We aren't the club we thought we were and Moshiri and company may have to admit that to themselves too, lower their expectations and begin to build from the bottom up.
Where we find the right manager to do that is difficult to know, but we'll end up with somebody in the hot-seat at some point. As fans, all we can do is support him and keep our fingers crossed that he succeeds; how we measure that success will be contested long and hard on here and elsewhere.
At the minute, I would be satisfied if we can see eleven players that can do the basics right most weeks, a pretty low expectation for a club that has spent so much on so many for so little in return.
896 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:36:56
Talking of songs and / or tunes, I've heard two this morning which seem pretty appropriate for us….
1) “Why Do You Build Me Up” by The Foundations
2) “Can't Take My Eyes Off You” by Andy Williams.
Okay, it's more the lyrics in each song, particularly the Andy Williams one, but I'm sure you get my gist.
Still feeling utterly depressed about the whole thing. Might walk the dog up to the park where I met Carlo's son-in-law, and see if he's there walking his dog for one last time before doing one. Kind of feel sorry for him really, after all, being loaded into a crate, put on an aeroplane, flying to Madrid, and then spending seven days in quarantine can't be good for anyone.
As for Carlo's son-in-law, I couldn't give a fuck about him.
897 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:38:04
If I hear quotes from the new man along the lines of “clean slate” and “I want to assess the current squad before we buy anyone”, I think that would finish me off.
898 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:41:42
The more I think about what you say, the Brentford coach springs to mind. But would he leave now having finally achieved what they've been trying to for several years and their new stadium ready to go?
899 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:48:46
I don't feel quite as bad as yesterday, but still pretty disappointed. To be honest I really didn't see that one coming.
That's the naivety that comes with being an Evertonian.
900 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:49:25
He struggled with us last season, his team selections and tactics were bizarre at times, his almost contempt for young players by failing to name a full subs bench or two keepers on it was an insult and would not encourage the likes of Small to consider signing that new contract.
It was said by many from the outset that Carlo was a manager of top players rather than a manager who could build a team. We could never finance the purchase of the players he would want and he won't play youth which left us with the tired old lags he kept bringing on to try to change a game but who had no ability to do so.
He was not the right man for the job and has jumped before he was eventually pushed which at least saves us mega millions in compensation.
What we need now is a manager who will get our players fighting fit and be ruthless with those who can't or won't hack it. Someone who will give young players a chance rather than turning to the likes of Delph, Bernard, Gomes etc who do not have it in them to turn a game.
Whoever we replace him with is a gamble as all manager appointments are. Some will have seen better days, some will look promising but have not managed clubs our size with the expectation that goes with it.
My preference would be the latter – a modern day Howard Kendall Mk 1 or a young Moyes with drive and ambition who will not get dragged down by the inadequates in our squad. Someone who can be ruthless, who will get players fit, who will add athleticism and determination to the team. These sort of players are out there (eg, Godfrey) but will not be found in a foreign player who has already had his best years.
Potter would be such a gamble; Howe would be – can he coach a team to defend? Nuno is less of a gamble but did he peak at Wolves or is there more to come?
Benitez used to be very good but has he lost his edge in the way that Mourinho seems to have done?
Gerrard would be laughable (not!!!) and would damage the club badly.
Cahill has zero experience and Rooney little more which almost resulted in relegation.
Martinez would be interesting as he is now far more experienced than the last time but going back never seems to work. I think Pochettino or Conte would be a repeat of Carlo and they would be off to greener pastures pretty quickly.
The question for me is whether Duncan is ready?
901 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:50:59
New manager – someone willing to get his hands dirty and train them hard.
902 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:57:40
Cheered me up there mate
903 Posted 02/06/2021 at 09:59:47
I'm glad anyway the focus is on the way the club is run and people employed by us. Yes, you, Mr Kenwright – I hope you don't survive this one!
904 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:05:08
On the other hand we could go for Herr Flick. We could have Von Smallhousen as assistant. Helga as fitness coach, Renee in charge of hospitality. Edith as stadium announcer and lead singer and Gruber as defence coach in his little tank!!!!!
905 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:06:52
906 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:12:17
907 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:14:05
Benitez has done nothing for years and Steve Bruce has amassed more points than Benitez did with Newcastle so on that basis you should be championing Bruce rather than Benitez. Potter another put forward yes his team play nice football but they are round the bottom end of the league because he doesn't know how to win games. Gerrard well he has won a 2 horse race hardly a ringing endorsement. Santos, didn't hear to many Wolves fans saying they were upset he was leaving and no wonder they have been awful this past season. Ferguson, well he admitted he wasn't up to the job last time and cant think what's changed that makes him suitable this time. Moyes, my mantra is always never go back whether it be a player or a manager, as it never works out well.
Conte, brilliant coach but never stays anywhere to long and seems to have an ability to upset everybody he comes into contact with, but his sights are far higher than a mid table Premier league club.
908 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:15:41
Mike #893 - possibly 'taking no shit' needs to be more specifically defined.
Firm but fair?
Exuding a quite, calm air of 'I'm not to be messed with gentlemen', fine.
A hint of "I'm pleasant enough if you're all making the effort, but slack or drop standards and there will be consequences" - fine.
Wearing a very thick wooly trackie, a pair of Gola trainees, stinking of whisky and shouting "YOU'RE BLOODY HOPELESS!! THE LOT OF YOU SHOULD BE SHOT!!!" etc - probably not fine.
909 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:19:19
Let's be honest we're NOT a top club, don't have TOP players and we don't know how we're going to be with regard to a transfer budget.
I think it's time for a touch of realism and having realistic aims.
I think, personally, we're miles and miles away from being a top four "club" never mind team.
IMO we should aim to improve and consolidate, aiming for fifth or sixth place on a regular basis before moving up further.
We've tried to run before we can walk, IMO, and it's backfired big time.
I asked earlier in this thread (I think it was this thread) if people would accept a "reset" with a younger progressive manager and a younger team with the acceptance that we're not going to become worldbeaters overnight.
Would people accept moving up just ONE place next season if we played attractive football and went out to compete on the front foot in every game?
Incremental improvement HAS to be the way forward IMO as trying to make that giant leap in a oner seems beyond us even with multiple millions of pounds being thrown at it.
If by the time BMD comes about we've made progress in each and every season then that would do me.
Then once we're in BMD and hopefully the financial side of things improves we push on further.
Not the instant success that seems to be the requirement in all walks of life these days but I know I'd be happy with some "progress" each season watching football we enjoy and a team we're proud of.
910 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:20:58
We would be about 6th or 7th.
There would be general dissatisfaction that we were still losing to the Rich 6 and below Leicester.
There would be calls for a proper manager of experience to take us up a level - with complaints that Silva was just another Moyes but with a bigger budget.
The question we should be asking is what do you want the manager to do and in what timescale.
If the objective is top 4 and you have vast sums of money (£250 to £500m) then appoint Conte.
If the objective is top 4 but you don't have that sort of money then it's a tall order and will take time. That's not a Conte job.
911 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:23:46
However, I don't think it really matters anymore as we are perpetually and consistently average. The whole club needs a reset, a spring clean, a re-boot.
Thought this had happened with Moshiri, but the underlying rotten underbelly of contentment and acceptance of failure remains.
We will end up with Dyche, Howe, Moyes or Potter.
912 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:29:07
I'm very very very angry right now.
913 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:29:20
914 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:35:34
Are we going to be a counter-attacking team or a possession team? Are we going to press high or soak up pressure? Will we focus on developing younger players or looking at good value in experienced players?
Once these questions are answered, we find a manager who suits.
Recently (possibly due to Moshiri's need for a name) we have lurched from different managerial styles to the next. Which is why our squad often feels so imbalanced. Koeman ‘technical' direct football with loads of No 10s to Silva's high pressing style to Ancelloti's deeper block and counter. With no-one having quite the right players.
It shouldn't be about getting a ‘name' – it should be about getting the right fit.
Pick a philosophy and identity and hire managers accordingly. Otherwise, every new manager requires new players, new setup and we are forever in mid-table transition.
915 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:38:19
Germany P34 W20 D8 L6
Bayern P44 W25 D9 L10
USA P98 W55 D16 L27
Hertha P10 W3 D3 L4
56% win rate o/all
What do our US contingent think?
Germans seen pretty much on trend these days, and I think he could bring a bit of much-needed energy to the touchline. Would certainly get in Klopp's face.
I expect to see Nuno, however (who I was touting actually before Silva).
916 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:41:08
Now the manager has gone but we have a massive problem remaining and it is that group of very average, weak-minded players (with very few exceptions). That same group who have repeatedly over a few years proved the words I have just used about them.
As they knew and quite obviously did not give a flying fuck coz they knew it means they get a stay of execution, then how can we trust them to wear our jersey with any pride.
So, for me, whoever the new manager is he has to buy into the Everton way and the minimum from the players is giving everything for the shirt once they cross the white line.
Sadly, I just don't trust this group anymore to do that, regardless of who the manager is.
917 Posted 02/06/2021 at 10:57:47
Your assumed definition of “taking no shit” (you should all be shot etc) comes from where?
I'm not sure anyone on here has suggested we need a borderline psychotic as manager. That would be ludicrous.
I'd state it as someone with an air of authority - “not to be messed with” as you suggested or setting the bar / standards as I did.
But it can successfully be applied to multi-millionaire footballers as demonstrated by Tuchel.
That was my point if it wasn't clear to you the first time.
I mentioned it as I think that should be a key character trait in our next managerial appointment. Amongst many other “strings to his bow”.
918 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:02:13
919 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:09:31
920 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:09:42
The Euros are looming, which is a bad time for transfers.
Will Allan and James stay with Carlo gone?
Moise Kean is at PSG and still represents a considerable investment.
We now have no manager, and talk seems to be of recruiting a manager below the expectation of the club's ambitions: Howe, Dyche or Moyes.
The basis for a perfect storm. Or, in our case, where we were under Koeman.
921 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:26:28
Sam @ 914, agree completely. Brands should set out our footballing strategy top to bottom and tell Moshiri to butt out. Then all the teams at the club should play the same system.
Finally, anyone who thinks Steven Gerrard should be considered for the Everton job has never lived in Liverpool!
922 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:38:07
I'm not sure how the media can push this idea and feel they have any credibility.
Or am I just missing something?
923 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:43:07
For me, Klinsmann, possibly doesn't have enough recent club experience and likewise the current German manager Low, who is going to be available.
Monchengladbach's coach Marco Rose could have been a good look, but guess what, he's been already been snapped up by Dortmund for next season.
German clubs have a habit of doing that; agreeing manager swaps part way through a season, often player transfers too. We'd find it outrageous, they see it as German efficiency and organisation!
So, unless we go for an older more experienced name, I don't see many German options out there.
924 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:55:22
925 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:57:27
926 Posted 02/06/2021 at 11:58:17
My choice would be between Simeone and Pochettino but I don't think the first would come and the latter might only be persuaded if you could convince him not to work for somebody who had already sacked him.
And the leader of the "Carlo out gang" in his utter negativity does not seem to know who should be appointed and his preference in the past was Unsworth which merely points to his complete lack of imagination.
Are we in a mess? Even if you disregarded the last six, is it, years then the very thought of Bill being involved in the next appointment should guide your thinking. Whoever it is to be then by all means throw money at him but have something written into the contract about performance expectations.
927 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:01:50
928 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:01:50
929 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:05:23
930 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:05:43
In terms of "realistic" names, Nuno Espirito Santo and Benitez are both 12% and Dunc is 11%.
931 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:06:09
The big lure for coming to Everton is that they will be paid practically what a top 4 would play, just minus the bonuses they wouldn't get for reaching a final or qualifying for Europe. So when players don't live up to expectation its near impossible to move them on as they are obviously not good enough for a top 6 club and the clubs that would want them couldnt afford to pay them half the wages they are on here. Thats why practically all our players stay till the very last day of their contract ie Bolasie, Besic, Delph, Bernard, Tosun and you could go on and on with this scenario.
932 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:07:40
We are not going to get a manager who is already in a good prem job.
We will end up with a forgien mercenary or an English journeyman.
933 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:07:46
About a third have voted for high-profile foreign managers who wouldn't come to Goodison. The rest of the candidates and there is a lot on the list have varying degrees of support.
934 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:14:55
And if we are hacked off about Carlo upping sticks for a better gig, what would be the point of Gerrard? Imagine he did well, then if Klopp leaves, he would instantly make the much shorter journey across the park. You would have to be mental to intentionally create that situation, with the only scenario that stops it happening, is him failing at Everton.
935 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:20:01
Moyes is in a very similar position now at WH to the one he was in when he wouldn't sign that contract at Everton. Remember he put it off and put it off.
I'd hazard a guess that if he hasn't signed an extension within the next two weeks then "it's him."
God help us if that turns out to be the case.
936 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:23:32
Besides which, how can Evertonians be advocating that Slippy should be anywhere near Everton FC? Even Benitez despite his experience as a manager would be fraught with issues and is he really that good? Carragher can do one trying to persuade Moshiri and Company to appoint the Spaniard. I'd prefer to give Martinez another go than anybody connected to Liverpool
937 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:24:45
If that's the case it may be someone completely leftfield, someone that no one has even thought of.
938 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:26:34
939 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:36:29
Our fans need to get over the bias that a foreign name Manager is necessarily better than a British one. We made that mistake with Koeman, Silva and Ancelotti. Did Allardyce finish higher than all three?
940 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:42:49
941 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:44:44
I see him as being in the same mould as Moyes was when he first came to us - except that now we at least have some money to spend.
I also think that Mr Moshri needs to realise that there is no fast and sustainable route to the top 4 - we need to rebuild, over time.
That is why I believe a young(ish) ambitious manager, with EPL expereince would be right for us now.
942 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:45:54
There are others.
I dont think Duncan would be welcoming with open arms either.
943 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:50:22
I'll bet you a pint the same names will be on here by Christmas as the TBC out brigade.
944 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:50:59
Not sure I'd call most of his teams negative. I remember Phil McNulty's article the season they came up and he was praising their style and predicted them to finish 7th. Despite my respect for him as a journalist, I shook my head.
They done better than the much praised Leeds this season and, guess what? They did indeed finish 7th as I recall. That's why Phil McNulty is a top sports journalist and I post on Toffeeweb!!
But instinctively not for me or Everton.
I'm finding myself more and more saying who I don't want rather than who I would like. The Ajax coach is tempting, and I'm sure Brands has links, but someone mentioned earlier he's just signed a new contract. I also keep referring to the Brentford manager, but doubt he's going to walk out having just led them up.
I don't care where they come from or who they used to play for (apart from the obvious). Just think seriously about this one.
945 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:54:56
946 Posted 02/06/2021 at 12:55:20
I prefer Nuno myself, but even if it is Moyes, it can't get any worse than last season. Carlo's defensive tactics at home last season were by far the worst in the last 6 decades.
947 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:00:22
There's always a bit of regret with regards to his time at Goodison.
Make no mistake, he HAD to go in his last season. The man had completely lost it and hand gone bonkers, it seemed.
But. I always felt he did get us. He did understand. I so wanted him to succeed because I think he completely understood Everton FC and what it means to us.
If only he had know defending is also part of the game !
Will he have learned his lesson by now? Will he be better if he comes back? Bobby Brown Shoes. I truly loved him for about 18 months. He still feels like one of our own to me.
948 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:02:47
My left field option would be Thomas Franke from Brentford. Superb record with young unheralded players plays consistently attractive football and hugely successful over a period of time with his current employers.
949 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:04:15
Ancelotti can organise a team. But for what we were aiming for, we didn't have good enough players throughout the squad. So we had to tolerate a lot of shite - no dispute from me there.
It doesn't matter now. Yet again, we wait to see who the next manager is and allow them to try and build their own team. But any manager wanting to get this team anywhere needs better players, whoever they are.
950 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:06:57
Sad he didn't stick it out, but he had started to seem bereft of ideas and depressed in the press conferences. (Like he didn't want to be there 🤔)
Anyway, agree with comments on here saying no way we going to attract Conte or Pochetinno.
I say give it to Eddie Howe for a few seasons. At least we might win the Championship then after we get relegated. A title is a title!
951 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:09:06
I bet you theyre on here before we actually sign TBC !!
They wont say who they want or theyll say someone everyone and their dog knows we have no chance of getting so they can spout off the “i told you so” shite
952 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:09:50
Talking of boiled shite, there was plenty of it in the park today, it was steaming!! No sign of Carlos son in law though!!
953 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:12:19
954 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:14:16
"Phil McNulty is a top sports journalist "
955 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:16:40
On one occasion Martin O'Neill wasn't listed and then he was 2/1 favourite for a short period.
With all that said, betting on Nuno has been suspended for the last hour or so on Paddy Power.
956 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:18:26
On a serious note I always rate most of his articles.
Personal point of view obviously.
I still can't think who I want. Just more who I don't want.
957 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:19:33
However, if Everton really were a board game, we would have to be "Snakes and Ladders."
958 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:29:24
959 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:30:16
960 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:31:54
James' attitude leaves a lot to be desired. Sure he has some sublime skills but how often do we see them? If a game is a bit rough, he disappears and more often than not he's in the treatment room.
I also can't believe people are serious about Martinez. He is fortunate to be managing what is probably the best bunch of international players on the planet at this point in time. Belgium is successful despite Martinez.
Then there is David Moyes. I have great respect for what Moyes achieved at Everton, under very different circumstances from today. I think he would do a good job at Everton and he is a viable candidate.
Rafa Benitez? Do you really want to see that dour, defense at all costs style of football that is his trademark? People are decrying Ancelotti for that.
I think for a more progressive style, and for some stability at the club, we should pursue Brendan Rogers. But will he come?
961 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:32:09
Perhaps though it is good hes gone. He is ok managing galacticos and even a side like ours when things are going well but he seemed a bit lost when the wheels came off after Christmas.
I thought Moyes did a very good job for us, despite the unsavoury nature of his departure, but I hope he doesnt come back. Comebacks in sport never work, so Martinez can stay away for the same reason.
962 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:33:49
My guess is it will be someone I've never heard of. Which is quite a lot of managers.
963 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:40:32
It is claimed the Everton board met late on Tuesday evening to discuss replacements as a shortlist was drawn up.
Moyes was mentioned alongside Roberto Martinez, Nuno Espirito Santo, Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche, Frank Lampard and Vitor Periera.
964 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:47:32
Contrary to popular belief, the man who introduced the modern concept of "gegenpresser", not our man across the park who followed suit.
The only issue I see there is that his recent role at RB Leipzig is more aligned to Brands' so there could be a conflict of character as much as interest.
But that is a strong shout if he's up to getting his tracksuit back on.
965 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:47:58
He's probably not up for full time management at his age (71I believe)
And post 910, Robert I think, spot on regarding Silva. Lost key players that were not, arguably still have not, been adequately replaced.
Last season injuries took their toll too. That and the fact that most teams figured out stopping balls into the 6 yard box removes the vast amount of threat that DCL poses.
Benetez? If Carlo is a past it busted flush what is this guy? He has fallen out with pretty much all of his previous employers. Chelsea fans hated him even when he helped them win a cup. He cashed in by going to China when he had a decent job at Newcastle. No for me.
966 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:53:01
967 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:55:38
Is that all we could come up with. Did they get that from watching Sky Sports and reading the Daily Mirror?
968 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:56:28
I do wonder what Ancellotti might have done wth that team that Bobby had.
969 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:57:54
Amazing how the tabloids exclusively reveal the shortlist and it happens to be the exact same names they all lazily rolled out the minute Carlo speculation began. The same journos who all ran “exclusives” saying TAA had been axed from the 32.
970 Posted 02/06/2021 at 13:58:21
I also think we should go down the Germanic route, seems to be the new rage. We have tried the Spanish, Portuguese, Italian Latin sorts and its not worked.
Rob #959, whilst I agree thats what our players need, I wanted to boot most of them up the arse myself! Unfortunately the pampered, precious modern footballer will down tools and spend more time on social media.
971 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:00:59
972 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:02:23
We managed to recruit a world class manager, then something happened between him and Moshiri and hes gone. Moshiri should be under the spotlight not Ancelotti.
973 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:06:15
However he's inheriting an aging squad, with (allegedly) little money to spend, or at least not the mega money they're used to.
974 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:08:38
I thought that yesterday Kieran. I don't like being a conspiracy theorist but something seems to have gone on behind the scenes.
There's personal stuff obviously, there's there professional lure of Real Madrid, but the body language of the manager and reaction of the players hasn't been right for several weeks.
975 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:15:24
976 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:16:20
One obvious thing - anyone we consider a brilliant appointment won't be interested. Include Simeone, Rodgers and Pochettino in that category.
Moyes too might very well reject our overtures given we rejected him 18 months ago. WHU have European football, a nice new stadium, the pull of London and a well assembled squad. We have none of that.
Santos and Potter have done what we require - overperformed relative to investment, developed players bought for (not by) them and played some good stuff. I expect they are under serious consideration. Farke and Franke, too.
Otherwise, if not them, the appointment will probably be from overseas - Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Potugal or Netherlands.
The only other options not getting much mention are Unsworth and Martinez. Stranger (and worse) things could happen
977 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:16:29
Jonathan Tasker wants Graham Potter.
Ian Edwards wants Eddie Howe.
Darren Hind doesn't want anybody!
978 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:17:22
I think we are desperate for any type of success a manager would have to hit the ground running
979 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:18:06
As far as I'm concerned, Ancelotti bailed out. Maybe he realised that he'd bitten off more than he can chew. Managing a host of substandard players is far harder than fine tuning galacticos.
980 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:21:04
981 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:23:13
Anyway, let's not go there hopefully.
I'm still not convinced on the Nuno choice, however, taking my Danny head off for a minute, there may be some logic in the thought process. He's Portugese. We have built a South American contingent and despite Brands' Dutch background, that seems to be a market we have looked towards in recent years and may continue to do so.
982 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:38:08
983 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:48:25
984 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:48:39
Whoever comes in needs to drill down into the detail of the club otherwise it will continue to fester. We need to believe again. Stop revering the red side of the city and match them toe to toe. I don't care whether it is Howe, Santo, Potter, whoever it is ( and Moyes has had his chance with us and he never sorted out the underbelly of the club ) whoever it is needs to love this club and care about it. Perhaps Howe is the best choice as an Evertonian
985 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:51:37
986 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:56:58
I really have fallen out of love with Football and Everton. I dont want us to go for another quick fix, big name again and off we go throwing money at the situation and we hope it works. We need to look in my opinion at an up-and-coming manager and give him time. We need to develop the youth players better and try bringing them through to the first team but please can we get some kind of football identity back at the club. I do not know how we play or what that identity is anymore.
Under Martinez as least we had a brand and style of play. Yes it got a bit stagnant but I feel that was down to a lack of money to freshen things up and move us forward again.
In relation to new managers the Potter idea intrigues me. I am not saying he's the right guy but he could be. If you look at Rodgers he did some good stuff at Reading, then Swansea and got the Liverpool job and then its been onwards and upwards. Potter, Chris Wilder maybe? Conte is the best available but not the answer for me. He wants to win now and we are just going to be back in the shits again in 18 months as thats not happening for us anytime soon.
Anyway my point being is that I would just like us to have a spirit about us again on the pitch and a Team that the fans can relate to and get behind. It seems its been an eternity since that was the case at Everton.
987 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:57:23
988 Posted 02/06/2021 at 14:59:57
989 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:01:02
990 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:01:11
991 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:01:25
992 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:03:06
993 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:10:01
Whoever is appointed at least deserves a bit of support and respect.
Fair enough to be criticised if and when he deserves it but some of the bile recent managers- and players - have received before they signed has been shocking
994 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:12:43
It was pretty clear in the last few months that Ancelotti wasnt happy with the squad, he was picking 2 keepers on the bench, said at press conferences that he ‘wasnt a magician and that his team ‘were better without the ball. He wasnt happy with his squad.
I dont think its unreasonable to state that in all likelihood Ancelotti had discussed the situation with Moshiri (and Brands), however if Moshiri still holds his previously publicly stated opinion that ‘we have a great squad of players what does Ancelotti do? Stick around knowing his squad isnt good enough and that he isnt supported by our owner, or leave?
I think it is mutual, Ancelotti and Moshiri have agreed to disagree.
995 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:18:44
996 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:20:44
997 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:23:29
998 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:27:44
999 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:28:47
1000 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:31:53
1001 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:35:19
Apparently they talked about exhuming Billy Bingham
1002 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:44:14
wouldn't surprise me at all! Spurs in advanced talks with Conte and we are having a chat with Nuno, says it all really
1003 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:45:45
1004 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:46:33
If it wasn't, surely we did some timely succession management planning???
On a separate note, talk of Martinez coming back? Surely it's a phenomenal windup? I remember being at Stoke one mid week match towards the end of a season wondering how we were going to scrabble together enough points to stay up. Football being played as bad as anything even under Ancelotti. The players then fortunately ignored him, unilaterally ripped up his crap tactics, played to their strengths and stayed up reasonably easily in the end. How can this charlatan even be entertained? Sorry, my personal hobby horse!
1005 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:49:40
1006 Posted 02/06/2021 at 15:58:34
1007 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:01:43
And can we have a link if we miss it?
1008 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:10:23
1010 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:13:57
Steve #977, I haven't scrolled back through this whole long string, but are you telling me Darren isn't pumping Dunc for the job anymore? I'm shocked.
And to all those mentioning the name Martinez, please return to planet Earth. Bobby may be a little odd, but there is no way in hell he is going to give up the #1 team in the world a year before the WC (not to mention his TV gig) to come back to Goodison. No way.
George #999, do you need an agent? I will take 2% and a daily poem as compensation.
1011 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:15:13
1012 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:19:02
2. Duncan Ferguson
3. Anyone but an ex-redshite
1013 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:20:21
1014 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:24:59
1015 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:27:34
If Pochettino is on the cards, that's a better option than some I've seen. Maybe brings back and gets something from Kean?
I'm glad you said that Ian (1013 yes 1013). Now just tell me you don't want Duncan or Unsy!!
Whatever you do here Everton, just act swiftly and decisively. Then, as always, I will blindly follow you as I mostly done.
1016 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:34:18
1. Anyone would think there is even a hint of a chance Pochettino would leave PSG for our shite squad.
2. Anyone would think Roy Keane would be a sensible option and wouldn't end in a relegation battle after half the squad fall out with him.
3. Anyone would think Duncan is ready for the challenge and has the experience to help us to be successful with the European football we hope for.
4. David Moyes. Really? As we know it never goes well when someone comes back. After the stick we've given him since he left anyway he essentially behaved the exact same way Carlo has, jumping ship at the first opportunity of a big job. Albeit he gave us far more years of service and stability and probably dreamt of spending the money we've given the last 6 encumbants.
1017 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:47:05
1. I hope that could be a possibility. He's just lost the "farmer's" league, which should have been nailed on with PSG, so doesn't bode well for his reputation. If Tottenham isn't on the cards, Everton could be an option for him.
2. Keane. Talks sense as a pundit but just as any of us could and would. Shite coach as he has proven. He just shouts at players and never got results.
3. Duncan. No. See Roy Keane. Over time it doesn't work.
Not going to 4. Just no.
1018 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:54:30
At this stage I'd take someone who could get us to big games even if they did bottle them. That's almost certainly not going to be Poch in truth, but in my view we really need a period of just stability before attempting any spending sprees and attempts to crash the top four again.
1019 Posted 02/06/2021 at 16:56:22
Duncan could galvanise the club, bringing passion, commitment and a us v them mentality
I agree on Keane and Moyes though
1020 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:17:46
It seems a three way split.
Some sorry he's gone, some glad and some indifferent.
Some really good posts and also some of the funniest I've read.
Carlo recently seemed to have the air of someone who was worn out and indifferent to what was going on, not bothered and not interested.
Who knows what's been going on in his personal life.
He did raise our profile again around the world and for that I'm pleased, so we've been dusted off and are seen again
Personally I'm sorry he's gone because of the slap in the face he's given the club. However, his tactics, team selection and general management seemed poor to me. We needed a right back and a couple of forwards when he came. Never addressed in 18 months. Life is a four letter word so just get on with it.
He appeared to have run out of steam and ideas, I don't think it wasn't all down to the players as he had them going OK at the start of the season.
If he was a racing cyclist you'd say " He's taken the knock "
The European way seems to be change your manager on a regular basis. Their fans like us just seem to have to get on with it. In 18 months he's had £18 Mill. so going to Madrid for € 6 won't phase him.
We'll never know if he'd given some of the younger players
a chance if they could have stepped up a notch. They can't all be useless.
Whoever comes in I hope they bring some tactical ideas, some way of getting them collectively fitter and some younger players who will be thrilled and motivated to play for the club.
Like me we can all put our two penneth up. It won't make any difference we all know it but it relieves the tension.
I wish we had a cat so I could give it a kick down the lobby.
Everton, you're like Scarlett, you drive me to despair.
1021 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:17:50
Why is Premier League experience so important?,some of our lads can't even do the basics!,there are other leagues folks,were my choice is no doubt planning his Hat-trick of league title wins.
Wouldn't cost the earth.
Would blank Kenwright totally.
Would shake up the club.
Deserves his chance at the big time.
Play young players.
Instill some pride back in the shirt.
Would work well with Big Dunc.
Loves a sound bite,very good with the press.
Funny fucker too.
Last of the REAL characters sadly still left in the game.
Or we can go for Nuno...sigh.
1022 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:20:08
1023 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:29:33
1024 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:36:56
1025 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:39:54
Perfect straight bat.
These idiotic cries from Carlo's crest fallen acolytes for his critics to name an imaginary manager is reaching fever pitch.
Its as if by naming this Hypothetical candidate, you give them a chance to kick the arse out of some hypothetical figure and make them feel less wrong about Carlo.
As you can see they are so desperate. They will even make a choice up for you anyway. I've already got 5 made up for me and I havent cracked a light.
If they want to play this game of make believe leave them to it Let them put their own candidates forward
Its gonna be Nuno anyway by the looks of things.
1026 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:42:22
Up your rhetoric or be seen as a cretin.
1027 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:44:58
Not much wrong with that in my opinion. Very topical and it's been good debate / discussion all around.
1028 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:45:21
Contract up for renewal in July!
1029 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:46:11
1030 Posted 02/06/2021 at 17:55:35
1031 Posted 02/06/2021 at 18:14:07
I don't think anyone's a stick on certainty to succeed and it's much easier to predict failure rather than success (in our case) because we've failed a hell of a lot more than we've succeeded and success would require a huge turnaround in performance on and off the field.
Like they say in the world of finance "Past performance is no guarantee of future results."
1032 Posted 02/06/2021 at 18:26:36
Well done George. Great interview. You have definitely got my vote !
1033 Posted 02/06/2021 at 18:44:35
But, today is another day, and if you don't look forward to what's coming up next, then why bother, right? So, here goes with my views on the candidates being mentioned:
Moyes: no, no, no, no. on so many fronts. I don't think I can take it if in his unveiling news conference, he says inevitably - "My first goal is to reach 40 points, and then see where we go from there!". Plus, let us not forget, Moyes did to us exactly what Carlo did yesterday - abandoned us as soon a 'bigger' club came calling. Also, don't know if anybody else has made the connection yet - Moyes had his best managerial years when Alan Irvine was his assistant, including when Irvine joined him recently at West Ham. Now that Irvine has left WHU, I predict Moyes will revert back to being the excuse-giving manager that he had become towards the end of his career at Everton. Guys, let us have some pride - just say no to Moyes!
Nuno - I can understand why he would be considered a good option - PL experience, relatively young and had built a decent team at Wolves. I would not mind it at all if he were to be appointed. My 1st choice.
Graham Potter - this really intrigues me. I have always admired how Brighton play football. They are easy on the eye, but Graham has been let down by not having better quality at both ends of the pitch. A slightly risky appointment, but it has more excitement potential than a lot of the others. My close 2nd choice.
Eddie Howe - I admire him for what he achieved with Bornemouth, but I just think he would be more risky than Graham Potter. So, 'no', for me.
Pochettino - if there is ANY chance that we can get him, we should. I have no doubt that he would whip our players into shape in a few months and up the intensity. But because we have close to Zero chance of signing him, I have not included him in my list.
Galtier - he is another intriguing prospect. He might just be the inspired appointment that turns Everton's fortunes around. Don't ask me why? Just a feeling.
Conte - No - another Carlo waiting to happen, with less of the charm.
Gerrard, Benitez - are you kidding me?
Duncan Ferguson, Unsworth, Cahill, Rooney, etc - no - they need to prove their ability elsewhere before being considered for the Everton job.
Lampard - no, same as Ferguson, etc.
So, my preferred line-up is: Nuno Santos, Graham Potter, Galtier. (There is no chance in hell that Pochettino would consider leaving PSG for Everton, but in football, who knows?)
1034 Posted 02/06/2021 at 19:18:36
Everton is never an easy fix and whilst we may well never know why Ancelotti left, I sense this was a done deal over a month ago. His body language and aftermatch feedback was hardly defiant fighting talk.
But who knows, and I acknowledge I was happy with his appointment, on honest reflection, the football generally served bar a handful of matches in all competitions, was rank poor.
Poor players aside, the lack of shots on goal means any teams chances of winning are reduced.
So let's hope Everton make a good appointment based on shrewd football facts and personality, a stomach for the battle ahead and a sense of purpose for Everton.
I see Ben Godfrey is on the bench, for England v Austria, let's hope our best players don't get tapped up in the aftermath of the betrayal by Ancelotti.
Each to their own view and respectfully so, but that's my view but I suppose being honest I felt far more let down in 1987, when Howard left for Bilbao.
That was arguably down to the impact of Old Nick and their exploits in getting English teams banned from Europe.
So out with the old and in with the new. Onwards and upwards Everton,!
1036 Posted 02/06/2021 at 19:45:36
For fuck's sake, I see someone is now shouting "Brands Out!" When will it ever end?
1038 Posted 02/06/2021 at 20:01:17
My vote went to Lucien Favre, looking at the results, there weren't many others.
Erik ten Hag got 6%. No chance. would you leave Champions League football behind you to play Premier League mediocrity?
Last season started off brightly but ended very poorly.
So it might be a blessing in disguise.
i would have no problems with Nuno.
1039 Posted 02/06/2021 at 20:06:36
Rather than say who you wouldnt have or dont understand people choices maybe say who you want and please dont say Simone or Zidane. Be real
You may have done already (didnt read 1037 threads) but I will give my evaluation.
I have said for many years we need a manager who will no longer accept nothing but the best from our squad of underperforming journeymen.
Realistically, that is what Keane would demand but is a risk as he also could walk away easily.
I remember suggesting Potter when he still was in Sweden (all the wizard jokes) also a risk but probably a better man manager than Keane
Nuno did a great job a Wolves, was able to find really exciting players and most importantly performed as a team. As I understand, he left because Wolves showed no ambition in the transfer market. He is no Silva Mark 2. Least risk of the three
Believe it or not I would not be afraid of Duncan, he really got the best out of the team while he was in charge.
Other options, prerequisie is an experienced manager who is committed or long time domiciled in England, which for me includes Benetiz, Poch. Lampard etc is still unproven and is used to spending big money to build team. If you are looking for recently fired or retired Italian, Spanish, French managers then you are running the risk of same outcome as Carlo, job tougher than tought and will take first option once they realise that fact.
1040 Posted 02/06/2021 at 20:11:46
1041 Posted 02/06/2021 at 20:40:12
1042 Posted 02/06/2021 at 20:45:16
1043 Posted 02/06/2021 at 21:35:21
1044 Posted 02/06/2021 at 21:48:57
1045 Posted 02/06/2021 at 23:08:56
He wasn't worth all that money but this is a real embarrassment for the club.
The break in won't have helped.
1046 Posted 03/06/2021 at 00:13:23
We all know the right sided weaknesses, as do our opponents. So let's buy some top quality players and then get a manager or coach who can get the most out of them.
No rush, get the best we can get.
Mancini for me, (I've wanted him for several years) as I think he can get the best out of our players. It's a good fit, similar style.
Moyes is the benchmark, not the solution.
Someone like Conte or a Mourhino type may help us win silverware, 2 years of rollickings followed by disappointment and another rebuild job. Not my kind of manager as I want stability and I was originally all against managers like that, but.. sometimes the club, fans and players need to be told to toughen up, it's all about winning. Enjoyment comes with winning.
1047 Posted 05/06/2021 at 17:55:09
Foreign Manager...Viktor Periera.
As for rest...YAWN.
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