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Blues explore deal for Burnley's Cornet
Updated Maxwel Cornet is back in the news regarding Everton, with The Athletic reporting that the Blues are working on a deal to sign the winger.
With Burnley's relegation to the Championship, Cornet had been expected to leave Turf Moor this summer and Everton had been mentioned among possible suitors.
The Ivorian has a £17.5m release clause in his contract and according to David Ornstein, Goodison Park is his most likely destination.
However, with the Blues have been trying to balance their need to bolster the squad with restrictions on their ability to spend due to profitability and sustainability rules they appear to have tried to acquire Cornet from the relegated Clarets on loan.
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That has been rejected but Everton are expected to come back with a cash offer to sign him outright if Burnley accept their offer of an up-front payment.
Cornet is said to have knocked back interest from Nottingham Forest but the Midlanders' fellow top-flight returnees, Fulham, are also believed to be interested in signing the Ivorian.
Cornet scored nine goals in 26 appearances for Burnley last season following his €15m move from Lyon last year.
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I think it's a decoy and we'll will find a compromise deal for Gibbs-White.
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Fingers crossed for a speedy outcome one way or the other as I think Newcastle may be interested. Oh for an owner who is as savvy as an accountant so we wouldn't be in this financial mess!
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But for the price, he is a decent option. Not a guaranteed starter, but competition with Gray and Gordon for wide attacking roles.
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Would he be competing with Iwobi for a place? I honestly have no idea.
11 Posted 15/07/2022 at
㾽M transfer fee and around 㾹M in wages and agent fees over a three year deal = 㿊M commitment.
And his value in 3 years time = £zero, and his worth to the team at 32 likely to be zero. An inconsistent performer that is likely to pick up injuries and fade (look at what we give Frees to !!!!).
No wonder we have no money and terrible FFP issues with this strategy.
Pick up players in the 18-to-24 bracket, for god's sake, rather than scouting the end 5 minutes of Match of the Day.
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Lazy-ass people.
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Who thought signing a gassed-out Rooney in 2017 for 𧵘k a week was a good move? Man Utd certainly did.
20 Posted 15/07/2022 at
I saw him play a few times and he scores some great goals, volleys from in and out of the box, but he wasn't involved in the game a great deal. Mainly because of Burnley's style of play.
He does have decent pace and is, by all accounts, a very nice lad who has time for the fans and integrated well into the group/town.
He's nothing too special as a player, imo, but he would provide at least some kind of competition/cover at LB, LW and CF. At £17.5M and only 25 (26 in September) he represents good business, especially with the fees being paid for other players.
21 Posted 15/07/2022 at
We all know we need to make our signings count this summer and Frank will have spoken to Tarkowski re Cornet's character…
I'm all for this one… if Burnley will do business with us!
22 Posted 15/07/2022 at
His versatility is exactly what we need. Can play left-back (remember him scoring twice for Lyon vs city in the champions league from left-back) left wing, number 10 or striker.
If we get him in, he improves our first eleven for me. More end product than Gray and Gordon in less games.
23 Posted 15/07/2022 at
Get him signed then get a decent DM and a striker.
Moshiri asked to be judged at the end of the window. Those words could haunt him but Cornet and Tarkowski for a combined 17 million wouldn't be a bad start.
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Feels a bit of an ‘Everton' signing in that he is probably marginally better than what we have but it is very likely we are buying him near his peak and quite possible his goals last season were somewhat anomalous.
He has qualities but I think there are preferable options and I'd probably pay the extra few million for Dennis personally.
Apparently West Ham have put in two big bids for Broja and Onana tonight, and the sad truth is that they are a significantly more attractive club than we are currently. Chances are we will end up signing our 3rd or 4th choice options.
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No point having wingers or wingbacks if there isn't someone to put the ball in the net on a regular basis.
Calvert-Lewin is limited and we all seem to agree on that.
34 Posted 15/07/2022 at
I read that the other Premier Clubs have played one or two pre-season games already but Everton have yet to kick a ball in anger as they enjoy their 'jolly' in the USA. Just over 3 weeks to the start of the season and we seem to be crawling along…
I feel like the ultimate question: "What is the point of Life, the Universe, and Everything?" (I know — it's 42!) But I'm getting depressed. I had my hospital tests on Thursday and they came back inconclusive, so more tests are awaiting.
I just wish Everton would cheer me up. Perhaps I should start cheering for a different team – say... Cowdenbeath? It can't be any worse!!
35 Posted 15/07/2022 at
Who exactly? Every club in the country wants that. Chelsea signed Sterling, Spurs signed Richarlison, Liverpool signed Nunes, Man City signed Haarland. Who else is there?
West Ham are desperate for a striker, they are targeting Broja and the guy from Italy.
Leicester last season invested in Daka.
Newcastle have all the money in the world and are focussed on Etikike.
None are proven. Because the fact is, proven strikers just aren't around like they used to be – mainly because the game is much more than it was – the days of Kevin Campbell, Les Ferdinand and Dion Dublin scoring 15-20 goals are long gone.
"Calvert-Lewin is limited and we all seem to agree on that."
I'd totally disagree with that. Calvert-Lewin last season was a write-off due to injury, being rushed back, and then returning to a team so off the boil that we'd forgotten what the opposition box was.
A fit and firing Calvert-Lewin is better than anything we could buy by a long shot – he's quick, strong, great in the air, and has excellent anticipation. Calvert-Lewin with fast wingers and someone putting decent balls into the box is our best chance of a top-half finish.
We need back-up and competition for Calvert-Lewin. Broja would be great as he's probably one level below, but with the potential to pretty soon equal him and they could grow together and push each other. But getting a 'proven' goalscorer ain't gonna happen.
Our priority, personally, is midfield. That's where we lost most games last season.
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I don't care if this player is what we need or not. I honestly don't know much about him.
The question is whether he fits the plan that the DoF or Manager wants to implement – or he is being imposed upon them?
Why are we not looking to the continent... Germany, Holland, Belgium, Denmark? To pick up better value for money.
Instead, we're apparently being held to ransom by Wolves and Burnley and seem to be willing to pay over the odds for mediocre players because they have Premier League or English experience. Certain members in our board who have no qualification in football seem obsessed with this. Michael Keane revisited.
Have we learned nothing?
Cast the net and actually use a scouting network rather than watch Sky Sports News. Let the scouts and the DoF do their job.
Let a DoF be exactly that rather than employ someone to be told what is going to happen rather than set his own strategy.
Disappointed Danny is quickly becoming annoyed and angry Danny.
I'll be up in the morning with the dogs.
37 Posted 15/07/2022 at
I agree with you on Calvert-Lewin but don't know how much the injury and layoff last season has affected him.
On the subject of Cornet, my main concern is his injury record and his inconsistency.
I watched a Korean side (KPL) play Spurs yesterday and they had some outstanding players. Park and Yang stood out but I wish we had some scouting out there and it would also boost our Asian following.
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The hounds will sort me out in the morning and tell me everything is okay.
6 August can't come quick enough.
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Curriculum Vitae
I am a current BBC Licence holder, so have access to Match of the Day
Have no knowledge what so ever, as to the existence of the game of Football, outside of the Island in which we reside.
Have no understanding of basic levels of Economics
Hobbies
I Love nothing better, than recklessly spending money, on non investible purchases.
Especially enjoy the sheer panic of having money left in my bank account, a week before pay day, with the understanding, that if it's not spent on any old tat, that Money will vanish into thin air!
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Mike at 43 - Likewise with you Mike - It's just typical with me... The Specialist told me that he thought I was okay but the tests were 'a little blurred' so he wanted to be absolutely certain, hence new tests. Murphy's Law!!
47 Posted 16/07/2022 at
So sorry to hear of your utter frustration, perhaps a good hot bath and meditation assisted by a month's total abstinence of ToffeeWeb.
Of course, this has its withdrawal symptoms implications – best alleviated with traditional over-the-counter remedies, in particular those sought from Messers Yates, with various outlets in your locality. However, care should be taken as too much medication impairs facial recognition devices such as your smartphone due to the bulbous bright red nose effect and blurred vision.
Of course one has to balance the need for such medication against the resultant high blood pressure syndrome associated with those addicted to ToffeeWeb, easily recognized due to the occasional and seemingly impromptu floods of tears of frustration.
Danny, you have had a difficult year, and I am afraid without such medication your outlook is not wonderful. I could suggest anger management courses but they are in great demand in your area due to depression – I believe it is due to Bloody Moshiri Depression otherwise known as BMD.
I wish you well and should you need my services you can find me usually in the quiet corner of any Yates establishment or visit me at my accommodation in the Bridewell on Cheapside.
I wish you well as I also have been struck down by this deadly addiction to all things Blue, although I am now seeking support of my own from a locally based charity, EitC or something like that.
Feel free to write once more with your outcome.
Kind regards, Your favorite agony aunt,
Christine
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Watch Howard"s Way if you need cheering up and my next-door neighbour has a dog that is needing a new home?
Every time I shout "Everton" at it, it wags its tail, could be a good match for you, Bernie? Dog is 4 years old.
50 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea would shop exclusively in designer stores. Buying only the best products at extortionate prices, yet safe in the knowledge that they were receiving quality of the highest standard, with the latest cutting-edge technology.
Southampton, Leeds etc, are H & M shoppers. Prepared to syphon through products gathered from far and wide, willing to bide their time, in search of a diamond in the rough.
Tottenham, West Ham, Newcastle, shop at exclusive Markets. Acutely aware that there's bargains to be had, comfortable in haggling for the right price, yet happy to walk away if not.
Everton, on the other hand, are an outlet store shopper. Only interested in branded products of yesterday. Previously unsold, undesired, tired technology, sold at an inflated price.
All this, despite both parties being acutely aware that its products are one step away from the Charity Shops or even Landfills!
51 Posted 16/07/2022 at
Frank must have consulted Tarkowski on Cornet's personality and character and is comfortable before initiating the deal.
Instead of just paying the 㾽.M directly (Burnley can't say no if that stipulated amount up-front is presented), I believe, IMHO, Thelwell is trying to save up as much pennies as possible by trying to see if Burnley is willing to take a deal less money up front (eg, 㾸 to 13M) with future incentive clauses that will bring a higher overall value eventually (eg, 㿀M). Otherwise, the deal would have been done as quickly and quietly as the one we had bringing Gana in from relegated Aston Villa (it is still mind-boggling that we only paid ٥.5M for him back then).
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With the link to the Wolfsburg teenager (different thread), I have renewed hope that we are actually looking beyond these shores and actually have an active scouting network in place.
I've woken up and gotten all hopeful again.
53 Posted 16/07/2022 at
have a clear run at rebuilding the team - NOW!
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I don't think it is lazy recruitment, it is seeing obvious bargains when they are right in front of you.
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Chelsea spending big to bolster their squad so without a real striker it will likely be backs against the wall in that first game.
There is not much on offer in the window that Everton can really afford so Lampard will have to go with what he already has.
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In recent years, we have paid big for players that disappointed in their performances and have proven not to be good signings and far from value for money, so a change in direction is needed but no sure buying from relegated teams is likely to bring any improvement.
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What about Idrissa Gana Gueye. Relegated with Villa, bought for a snip and a star for us.
Also Andy Robertson and Harry Maguire from Hull. I don't believe that there is a solid correlation either way.
61 Posted 16/07/2022 at
So are you saying you wouldn't like Everton to have bought Mark Wright + Dean Saunders? I would have on account of them both being superb players.
I would love Everton to buy 2 players of their standard now.
62 Posted 16/07/2022 at
We are fighting with clubs like Watford, Bournemouth and Brentford for players. We must be realistic and have trust in Frank's ability to get the right players that fit into his style of play.
And if he finds the right one, will he move? Will his demand for wages fit our future structure?
Cheers lads, Frank has put a smile on my face again. 😀
63 Posted 17/07/2022 at
“Sure Bill, take our player and leave us with no cash to replace him.â€
For fuck's sake…
64 Posted 17/07/2022 at
This messing about over Cornet seems to contradict his comments. But maybe we are trying to legally activate the release clause whilst not paying the fee until the next FFP period starts, 1 July 2023.
Burnley would be spitting feathers again but it could be fully contractually allowable and they can't oppose it? It sounds ruthless but a contract is a contract and we are not a charity, we have to look after No 1.
The idea being we have the necessary money available this window for two quality midfielders that Frank wants.
Either way, it points to limited and restricted resources at the moment.
65 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Please, Mr Kompany, let us have him, we'll give you a life-time supply of Everton mints, and a tenner a month.
Also, it illustrates that no-one is interested in the deadwood, either on loan or to buy. Hence it will either be Gordon or Calvert-Lewin. In that scenario, Gordon is the likely fall guy.
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For example, we were apparently close to getting Dennis but did not want to pay 㿀M up-front.
Sounds like we're looking for a winger/striker (Cornet?), a creative forward (Gibbs-White?) and a Number 6 (Onana?).
The only way we can probably imagine us having 㿊-50M to spend this summer in terms of up-front fees which will mean some clever operating. For too long we have overpaid for players and missed out on bargains so I'll be pleased if we can stop this trend at least.
Sounds like we are trying to loan Cornet with an obligation to buy.
67 Posted 17/07/2022 at
Didn't Moshiri say during the week, Lampard had money for transfers? What about the Richarlison money?
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We lose a loan fee, but God do we need the cash.
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It's now reported by former BBC journalist Fletcher that terms have been agreed with the player ahead of a deal.
Writing on his personal Twitter account, he said, “Everton offer for Cornet likely to be made up of upfront then add ons upto the release clause. Terms agreed with player, clubs negotiating package. If agreed then medicals and finalisation."
72 Posted 17/07/2022 at
I was hoping we'd go in for him, exactly the type of young, hungry and dynamic midfielders we should be looking at.
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9 goals and 1 assist from 21 matches he started plus 5 sub appearances.
Richarlison had 10 goals and 5 assists from 30 games.
There's more to it than the stats with regards to sacrifice for the team and work rate. With regards that, Richarlison is going to be a hard act to follow. However. If he brings 10-15 goals and some assists too, he will have been a very astute buy.
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Newcastle still sniffing around Gordon even though we've said he's not for sale. Might be our FFP issue still hasn't fully resolved which is why we're still looking to offload first before any purchase?
80 Posted 18/07/2022 at
He played every game last season. Started 35 of 38. He scored zero goals. Zero. Had one assist.
To spend 3000 minutes on the pitch -- all in attacking positions -- and be involved in exactly one meaningless goal requires a truly remarkable talent. You have to be really good at running very fast to places where the ball isn't.
McNeil makes Cornet look like Thierry Henry.
81 Posted 18/07/2022 at
That's a terrible record. I think some on here got snowed by his goal against us a few years ago. Clearly that was an aberration.
82 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Huddersfield have a cracking central midfielder called O'Brien, he was brilliant for them last season. We can get for him for 㾶 million, we'd better get a shift on as Forest want him!
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Cornet is not going to start scoring 10 to 15 goals. That would be absolutely exceptional for a wing forward and he's not exceptional.
He's more likely to keep scoring about 5 per season.
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I like O'Brien a lot. Mentioned him in my transfer piece. High-energy player who does a bit of everything. Could be a similar option to Gibbs-White but at less than half the price (he's probably not quite as good). Will be interesting to see how he does in the Premier League.
Robert @83,
I agree with your assessment in the main but I think for Cornet's last season at Lyon, he played the majority as a wing-back. Before that I think he's scoring a goal roughly every 300 minutes which is not too shabby without penalties.
I think it's plausible that he might score 10 goals a season if given 38 matches, which would be very good from open play. His all round offensive game is limited and he won't get a lot of assists but I would expect him to bag a few goals.
Not who I'd want us to go for personally but he's a hard worker apparently. I find our obsession with Premier League players somewhat perplexing, often paying a premium for players who are ‘tested' but then turn out to be very mediocre (Bolasie, Keane, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Williams, Walcott etc...)
86 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Lewis O'brien caught my eye too in the Championship playoffs, a live wire, sharp, always in the thick of the action. Steve Cooper of Nottingham Forest is no mug and has seen him close up, he is after him. They've had a 㾶M offer accepted. I'm surprised there was no rumoured interest at all from us, maybe we have done the diligence and decided he is not good enough?
There will be many teams next season with fast energetic midfields, fit for the current incarnation of the Premier League. The game has moved on.
A fantastic player like Dele Alli needs to be complemented by two fast aggressive central midfielders behind him. Otherwise, we will be overrun again. Allan is 32 soon but could be one of them at peak fitness, but that's not now guaranteed at all. No guarantees come with Gbamin, full stop.
Without signing definitely one, preferably two, midfielders we can't use Dele Alli to best effect. A lot of rumours about Cornet, Broja, Gibbs-White but still the No 1 priority for this window is the DCM position. I'd prefer us to blow the budget on two fast aggressive quality midfielders and loan or loan-to-buy the forward.
87 Posted 18/07/2022 at
I'm not yet convinced about how useful Dele Alli will be for us next season. By all accounts, he has reported back in excellent shape which is a good sign but I just don't know if we have the players or style to bring the best out of him. And how much will he fight to involve himself in the game if things aren't going his way? We shall see…
Broja is far more likely to go to West Ham from what I've heard, Gibbs-White is more likely but maybe a bit overpriced?
I agree, we need a new No 6. Someone combative but who can receive the ball on the half-turn and play through the lines. Lampard spoke after the friendly about having a player there with 'defensive positioning' or something like that. Tough to find.
Shame we couldn't get Tyler Adams or especially Boubacar Kamara. Even Palinha who went to Fulham could have been useful. Onana has been linked and I still like Mo Camara and Kephret Thuram who are yet to move though both are probably somewhere between a No 6 and a No 8 positionally.
Still a chance we try to loan Winks, and Gilmour may well be an option as Lampard liked him at Chelsea though he was poor for Norwich last season.
I think we are trying to juggle priorities and the need to bring in 4 more players with a pot of only 㿊-40M to spend upfront; hence the apparent attempt to loan Cornet.
88 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Your ٤M DCM scouting selection from a couple of seasons ago, Sangare, is now in talks with Man Utd, for 㿌M. You must be bewildered sometimes by the opportunities we miss. Still, we have a new DoF and manager who can attract and improve young talent.
We still have time to make some transformational signings. Won't be easy with our budget but not impossible.
I'm going bald tearing my hair out over our midfield weakness, it's about time it was put right. If we do, we can make some good progress. If not, we will get overrun, backs to the wall, long ball, Bottom 6 fodder.
Nothing to do but wait and hope. Kevin Thelwell has got our season in his hands.
89 Posted 18/07/2022 at
As for buying from Premier League clubs, I did a check some time ago for the M&S article I wrote and recall, I think, that our squad contains more players bought from Premier League clubs than any other. A very expensive way to buy average players. Akin, as the article suggests, to buying your milk, eggs and butter from M&S when the same basics are available much cheaper at Tesco etc.
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We're simply not an attractive proposition to many footballers and with good reason. As it stands, next season does not look good at all.
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We will bring players in. They are just not going to be our first or second choices. That's the price of poor running of the club.
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But never mind... Gilmour on a loan will do. Laughing stock or what? Falling further and further behind.
95 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Meanwhile Moshiri is still blowing blue smoke up Bill's arse... Wake up, mate! — They destroying your club!
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Buying players now means they miss pre-season, and clubs are less inclined to want to sell, the closer the season gets.
Also, the Championship season starts in 10 days so buying players like Cornet is a problem for a club like Burnley.
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The one virtue Cornet has is a reasonable buy-out clause, but 㿣 million for the other pair? They would be under-whelming options at half that price.
100 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Obviously FFP is having a huge impact on our ability to bring in the type of players the manager wants. Also with selling Richarlison will leave a massive hole in our attacking options. At present we have 5 CBs Mina, Keane, Godfrey, Holgate and Tarks, it would have been 6 but Branthwaite has gone out on loan.
This team has lacked goals for quite a few seasons and to have sold possibly our best attacker and unlikely to replace him with anyone near as good is a worry.
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Guess what.
You guys need to adjust your expectations to the situation we're in, rather than the one you wish for.
Any players we buy next month will not have "missed preseason" -- they'll just have had it with another club. Nobody's going to be showing up at the last minute with dead legs and a big gut like Rondon did last summer. And it's not like our "system" takes a whole lot of time to learn -- we play pretty basic football.
Also I would remind you that we already have five players ready to go in 19 days whom we didn't have last season -- Tarkowski, Calvert-Lewin, Gbamin, Mina and Patterson.
103 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Remember Robles, Alcaraz and Kone for instance?
What could possibly go wrong this season?
104 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Crap like Davies aren't suddenly going to be a midfield revelation either.
Yes doom and gloom I know, but it's how I feel. After decades of "Bill's Good Times" never being in the CL, I can only see a relegation scrap that starts in August. Goals win games and we don't score em.
105 Posted 18/07/2022 at
Even with some players back from injury we still need a midfielder and Richarlison replaced asap to give us a better chance of say 8-10 points on the board from the five games in August. Leaving it late will increase the risk of a slow start, making it tougher to recruit and us having to play catch up, momentum is going to be very important.
Thelwell has a very tough job on his hands, but part of his job has to be having us a strong as possible to start a season. Still as you point out all this is firmly with hope rather than expectation due to our precarious financial situation. I mean what have we got as a net spend …minus 60m?, minus 30m ?, zero ?, 20m ? 50m ? Is it even up to us how much we can spend?
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Cos they are all at the Grafton!
(That one's for Dale #112)
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I still think there will be a couple of incomings. Whoever they are will give us a clue as to what formation the manager will want as his preferred option.
I never had the pleasure of seeing much of the great eighties side as I had emigrated to Australia. I saw a few memorable games – notably Spurs away and Rapid Vienna.
Have a look at this line up from those days – Howard Kendall played 2 up top and a slow but tough old warrior bossing the middle of the park.
Gave me food for thought, that.
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I would just point out that any player can get injured, without regard to whether he's been hurt before.
Calvert-Lewinhad missed only 10 games in the previous three seasons before he broke that toe and everything fell apart.
Townsend had missed just 16 in a 9-year career before he went down with nobody even touching him, and now he could be out almost a full calendar year.
No point in predicting that. It happens.
123 Posted 19/07/2022 at
You've left me now with the image of of Armando Broja in a bikini.
124 Posted 19/07/2022 at
I was going to post the same sentiment about Billy Gilmour. A difficult time at a dire Norwich, but he got some experience under his belt.
He would be a risk but I too think there is a player there and Frank could get him back on track. It's a risk that would have a big upside if he came good.
Possibly another player who would benefit from a tough DCM enforcer beside him. Ethan Ampadu is in a similar position but Tuchel seems to favour him more, but he is someone we should monitor too.
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Norwich fans really didn't rate him last year but maybe Lampard could get more out of him? He seems similar to Winks to me; decent touch and decent passer but not the most athletic and obviously unlikely to dominate physically. However if he can get into good positions, receive the ball and move it forwards effectively he could be useful. And I think maybe he could be better defensively than Winks.
Hopefully we'd only loan him with an option to buy. Would hope after his poor season at Norwich it wouldn't be for much more than £12m. Remember when Todd Cantwell was the next big thing? Hardly got a look in for Bournemouth last year.
127 Posted 19/07/2022 at
That's the second dose of 80s nostalgia I've had today. You lot are going have me in tears.
A good read and very pertinent regarding us never getting the exposure we deserved in that period.
It also indirectly emphasises the importance of building a team rather than a collection of named individuals. Now I wasn't educated back then (Brent - no, stop), so didn't understand much about anyone who didn't play for Everton and, although I hate to say it, Liverpool, but you couldn't ignore them.
Howard didn't get it right to start with. When he did, he brought in players that many had never heard of and some questionable ones considered as being injury prone crocks. The formula worked once it clicked.
We have to let a manager try to get his formula. It might take time, but give him that time regardless of what we think of the players he is bringing in. Certain players can look very different in different teams.
128 Posted 19/07/2022 at
I know he's better than anything we've got at the moment, but I personally wouldn't touch him. I think he treated us like shit last time.
129 Posted 19/07/2022 at
I assume the other piece of nostalgia you mention is related to one of your favourites, Paul Bracewell who celebrates his 60th birthday today.
Reid though is in no doubt over his fellow Merseysider's class and told the Echo: “When Howard Kendall first bought Paul after we won the FA Cup, I thought I might have been going out because Kevin Richardson was a really good player and we had Alan Harper but as soon as we played together, and this might sound ridiculous, it was like a telepathic understanding. I knew when he went and he knew when I was going to get a second ball and when I was on the ball, he was always available.
“I think he'd say the same if you asked him the same thing. We got on well off the pitch too even though he's a miserable sod and he smiles about once a year, I used to get into him and he used to laugh and I think that helped us as well.
“We ended up being two crocks because I failed my medical but I think we were intelligent midfield players and before he did his ankle, he was sensational, a very skilful player. Don't forget there were some great midfield players back then like Bryan Robson, Glenn Hoddle and Ray Wilkins and Brace was up there with them all, without a doubt.
“That Everton team we had then had great balance. Trevor Steven added an extra element in the wide area of midfield and there was Kevin Sheedy on the other side."
Peter Reid: Transfer Warning and the talents of Paul Bracewell
130 Posted 19/07/2022 at
But sadly, what's the point? It's not as if you can't see what's coming.
Lovely weather though!
131 Posted 19/07/2022 at
Stu, I would have said I was in two minds about Barkley, a player I had high hopes for and tried to defend. Moments of brilliance, but little consistency. He's always struck me as that 12-year-old trying to beat everyone and win the game on his own.
I watched him a few times for Villa last season and, although he had a bright start, he quickly fell down the pecking order. He's struggled to make an impact at Chelsea, which I appreciate is a challenge. But again, the odd moment overshadowed by mediocrity.
I don't think it would be the end of the world but, if we have other options, I'd rather the manager and DoF pursues them.
For Ross, I'm not sure where his career goes from here.
132 Posted 19/07/2022 at
133 Posted 19/07/2022 at
No chance I'd want him back. He probably would be as good as anyone we have but I'd rather give the likes of Warrington, Price and Mills some time (though I don't think they are ready necessarily). I'm not sure Barkley deserves a second chance.
134 Posted 19/07/2022 at
And he still owes us 6 months wages that he stole along with the cost of his medical treatment and 㿀M in lost transfer fee.
A definite No for me, even if he didn't leave on a sour note. His return would affect the development of some of the kids coming through.
135 Posted 19/07/2022 at
I doubt he would be any better than what we already have so Chelsea can keep him on their books and we'll keep him off ours. We have had enough players stealing a living off us already.
136 Posted 19/07/2022 at
Turns out Man Utd doesn't want him. They're reportedly shipping him off to Milan in a swap deal.
137 Posted 19/07/2022 at
Doesn't look like much is going to happen on the transfer front anyway. As always, lots of names being mentioned to keep our hopes up but don't expect anything will happen.
Even if no-one comes in, it wouldn't be too bad because all of the players being mentioned are similar to what we already have.
Looking at pre-season there are a couple of the younger lads (Mills and Warrington) who could step up, plus Gbamin and Rondon are both looking like they're up for it.
The main thing that scares me is the 5-3-2 formation Lampard is looking to play. It can be attacking if played right, but you need the players to suit that, whereas, from the look of it, ours will be a defensive setup with long balls forward and then hope that Calvert-Lewin or Gordon can hold the ball up.
God help us.
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140 Posted 19/07/2022 at
㿊M for Gibbs-White, or ٣M on wages to see if the boy can earn our love again, like Wayne did?
Yeah, spend that 㿊M!
141 Posted 19/07/2022 at
Bracewell was pure class, a favourite of mine, along with Sheedy, when we had so many stars in that team. I will never forget that suicide tackle from Whitehurst, it cost Paul his place in Mexico, and he never got to show his true potential.
142 Posted 19/07/2022 at
143 Posted 20/07/2022 at
Jesse Lingard will make a decision about his future by the weekend as West Ham United, Everton, Tottenham Hotspur and Nottingham Forest all battle for his signature, sources have told ESPN.
Everton manager Frank Lampard is looking to rebuild his squad at Goodison Park after flirting with relegation last season and is keen to bring in Lingard.
Lingard is reportedly asking wages of 𧵬k/week, which is 50% above the top of our current wage scale.
144 Posted 20/07/2022 at
If a good idea ever tripped and fell into Barkley's head, he'd start vibrating in place.
But pushed up and left in the box with little time to think? Barks was strong, quick, and could bang it accurately with either foot.
(Which as an off-season, nostalgic treat again reminds me, "Fuck Roberto")
So if Chelsea will pay off most of his contract and Moshiri goes in for him? Up front with DCL.
Before he left, it was obvious Ross was no mid-field general. Still true.
Yet, while he might have rooms-to-let from the neck up, he's healthy, still plenty young enough, and for sure can control and smash a football with either foot.
145 Posted 20/07/2022 at
He must really rate himself. £180k per week for someone who's barely played half the games available through his career... and often not done much when he has been on the pitch. There are more problems too, he's a bad investment. I hope to hell we don't end up with him.
146 Posted 20/07/2022 at
147 Posted 20/07/2022 at
The wage is outrageous. That apart I wouldn't mind if we didn't have Dele, Iwobi and maybe Gordon as 10 looking to fill that kind of role. We need a defensive mid and a striker
148 Posted 20/07/2022 at
149 Posted 20/07/2022 at
We, his loanee teams, England, and now Chelski, have long since realised this dismal fact.
And beyond football intelligence there's the question of his personal intelligence, and that's even more elusive.
150 Posted 20/07/2022 at
Live for today, and kick the can down the road with some eye watering wages.
Defensive midfielder - Gilmour loan. Not going to play at Chelsea, we will be the most attractive option for him. Poor at Norwich, where you thought his passing ability would be appreciated.
Attacking player - Barkley, Linguard, Januzag. Everton love signing ex blues or manc rejects, so this looks odds on. Likely to have dome good days, but I think will be expensive mistakes buying players on the down.
Another striker? Not many linked, and knowing Everton we will just go with injury hit DCL and a Rondon who is pretty bad.
Another midfielder - I can see us buying Winks or some one like that. A decent enough squad player for a top 6 side, but someone who I don't think can physically cut it in the EPL. And why Bissouma & Hojberg was bought, because a number of Spurs managers and coaching staff felt the same.
151 Posted 20/07/2022 at
For example, we might spend 㿊m on Broja but then get in Gilmour on a loan to play DMC. Or we might spend 㿊m on Onana and then bring in someone like Batshuayi as our cheap forward cover.
The delay I suspect is in Thelwell trying to get the best deals and work out with Frank where to spend the limited money. But I expect at least one signing that costs 㿀m+.
Sounds like Broja, Onana and Lingard are all off to West Ham. The teams around us are doing interesting business, hope we don't fall further behind again.
152 Posted 20/07/2022 at
It sounds therefore like it could be very late in the day before we see any arrivals.
Also curious about our budget. I think we generally shouldn't be spending more than 㿀m on any player unless someone truly exceptional becomes available to us - like Lukaku all those years ago.
If we do spend 㿊m on a single player, it had better be a truly exceptional one.
153 Posted 20/07/2022 at
Also, no money is coming in for Kean, it seems!
154 Posted 22/07/2022 at
Moshiri invests 19m pounds into a friendly lower league Club such as Tranmere. Tranmere then activate the get-out clause with Burnley.
Cornet becomes a player on Tranmere's books; who immediately loan him out to Everton on a 12 month deal with an obligation to buy.
After 12 months the Toffees pay the 17+ million to Tranmere who in turn return that money to Moshiri; just keeping the left-overs as payment for negotiation.
Simple?
OK - who is the Spoil-Sport who says it can't be done?
155 Posted 22/07/2022 at
156 Posted 22/07/2022 at
I like your thought train but didn't we try this with Johnson/Simonsen? We need to mix it up a bit out of England. Invest in Partick Thistle or Merthyr Tydfill and follow through with your plan
157 Posted 22/07/2022 at
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159 Posted 22/07/2022 at
Cowdenbeath? Fair enough that works. My Mum (Scottish) is a Celtic fan but I've nothing against Cowdenbeath. Some years ago I watched a third tier Scots league game between Meadowvank and Airdrie. 0-0 but the best moment was went a gust of wind blew over the wooden dugouts. Anyway, Cowdenbeath works for me mate
160 Posted 22/07/2022 at
Bernie, not necessarily specific to the potential Cornet deal, but I've suggested many times, the notion of the Premier League and bigger Championship clubs effectively adopting a regional lower league club. I think it would help them and we could use it to play our youngsters with potential. Some would argue it's still a loan system, but it's one in which they are all playing together in the same team under one coach, who could be a developing Everton coach on loan himself.
It's a step short of the Spanish B Team construct, which would be my preference, but I think it's a sound idea.
161 Posted 22/07/2022 at
Probably because I am 'left-footed' and half Irish, and my first local team I played for wore green shirts, I have always supported Celtic.
Although Cowdenbeath was and is my first love in Scotland. (my Wife (God Bless her!) event wrote to the club from New Zealand to let them know I existed and they replied with a blue & white scarf and several trinkets (probably made the club skint!).
I'd like to wear the scarf with my Everton shirt but it wouldn't look right with 'Cowdenbeath' written in bold letters!
I liked what you said about joining up with other clubs but I don't think the FA would appreciate the idea, especially if Everton was involved!
162 Posted 22/07/2022 at
I'm a proper British Isles mongrel!!!
163 Posted 22/07/2022 at
I remember taking my daughter to Dublin for the first time when she was 16... she was like a clone of every other girl there. "I've found my tribe!" She said...
164 Posted 22/07/2022 at
165 Posted 22/07/2022 at
I had all the Irish diseases as a kid: chicken pox, measles, scarlet fever, whooping cough... those were the days when, if one kid was sick, you were all put together to get it!
Interesting to note though that Everton had a huge affiliation with the working class Irish, mostly in the Kirdale area where my family is from and still are!
Everything was segregated into two camps then, the days when a mixed marriage was between Catholic and Protestant, not race or gender. When you went for a job, a common question was: What team do you support? – but guess right and you got the job!
I think we are just wanting to survive until we get into the stadium, then we will be in a healthier place with FFP and Moshiri will do a runner. We need some grit, no-nonsense players, and, I hate to say this but, Allardyce and Moyes are the sort of manager we need to do it. That is, can Frank do what he has to do to survive?
166 Posted 22/07/2022 at
Promised myself to stay away from Everton for the summer but stupidly ducked back in. I wish I hadn't now.
Good luck to Frank Lampard in your next job. Sad but I don't think he'll be leading any revolution with these clowns in charge!
167 Posted 22/07/2022 at
168 Posted 22/07/2022 at
St Anne's RC Sutton, St Helens.
Sister Mary Jude aka skeletor
169 Posted 22/07/2022 at
we can put the Lingard concern to bed, as he has now got newly promoted Forest to pay him an unconfirmed circa 200k per week... lunacy.
170 Posted 22/07/2022 at
I well remember those days Christine of sharing the 'Irish Diseases' Couldn't understand NZ panicking over the measles outbreak we had a couple of years ago.
171 Posted 22/07/2022 at
Back to football - I am getting fed up with the
Everton News' at the top of this page. There isn't any news - just gossip. All 'perhaps'- 'possible' - 'maybe' - etc;. I want to read 'have signed' but with the season now so close - small hopes of that!
172 Posted 02/08/2022 at
Don't put this move on ice. He's the cream of the current crop.
173 Posted 02/08/2022 at
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175 Posted 02/08/2022 at
I would like Cornet
I may start a ripple of discontent if we don't sign him
On a serious note he's young, energetic, versatile, good stats for a relegated team and IMO good value.
Either supplying Calvert-Lewin or getting balls knocked on by Calvert-Lewin, I think they would be a good partnership.
176 Posted 02/08/2022 at
If it wasn't so warm, I would definitely get my coat.
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1 Posted 15/07/2022 at
Mediocre, just been in a relegation battle, blows hot and cold. We've got enough of them already.