Premier League — Matchweek 33

Michael,

I know you are busy but any chance of Premier League — Matchweek 33 — Please?

Here ya go, Dave!

Harry Wilson misses a glorious chance to help us stay level with Brentford.

Still 0-0 into the final 10 minutes...

Very good reaction save by Leno keeps it all square.

Into the last minute at Brentford still 0-0.

I have everything crossed.

It's over, excellent result!

So a win tomorrow plus Man Utd beating Chelsea, we would be up to 6th??

Ooo err…. my vertigo's coming on! UTFT

Yes indeed, that will do.

Thanks, Leno.

Thanks, Michael, just come in watching that save from the Fulham goalie which means we will go over Brentford tomorrow and also that draw keeps Fulham pegged back.

The stars are aligning nicely for us to move further upfront.

We just need a favour from Man Utd at Chelsea later.

Man Utd were shit midweek, so hopefully they'll improve.

Brighton are one point behind us, and have an absolute doddle of a run-in.

They've also won five of their last six games. Their patience in putting up with a load of draws mid-season as their new kids bed in always seems to pay off in the end. They have a patient crowd.

So do we, Kevin.

They have been patient for 31 years.

Michael,

If Harry Wilson had to score, Fulham would be a point ahead of us.

A draw was the best we could have hoped for.

It's okay, Kevin, the interview is over, John, gave you the job yesterday and told you to start on Monday!

Fulham would have gone level on points with us, Christy, and now I'm beginning to worry about the form guide considering Liverpool beat them last week and yet they have just gone and got a point at Brentford -- just like we did last week!

My own positive opinion is that we should be a lot fresher than Liverpool, and just needed that fixture last week to blow off the cobwebs and get us going again.

Did I just see Bournemouth players mime smoking a joint in their goal celebration?

Doesn't bother me but can't imagine the Premier League would look kindly on it.

It was a Woodbine, Neil.

Au contraire, Neil, the globalists are big promoters of cannabis.

I live amongst Brighton and Palace supporters in West Sussex.

Brighton supporters turned against the manager just before we played them and were furious he brought on Milner in that game.

They're more fickle than people think.

Give it a rest, Kevin.

Relax Kev,

Roll yerself a spliff

Man City v Arsenal tomorrow could well decide who wins the Premier League. If City win, they'll likely be level on Wednesday night; if Arsenal win, they'll be pulling away again.

Arsenal have an easier run-in on paper, but I reckon Man City win tomorrow, then they'll win the league.

And that's obviously the 2nd most important match on the Sunday schedule.

I thought it was just the liberal minded people who were softer on drugs like cannabis, Kevin, but maybe you're correct because I remember reading an article years ago saying that Thailand might have the best growing conditions in the world. The next time I went to that beautiful country, they were legally selling it in the shops.

Thinking about it logically, it was Ecstasy combined with cannabis that helped to get rid of football hooliganism in this country for a little while, so if the authorities aren't happy, then maybe they should consider this!!

Kevin, I'm not sure why TW continues to allow your use of that antisemitic code word, but I would strongly suggest you cease and desist.

Newcastle equalise to keep Everton currently in 8th position.

Looking at the Championship makes me realise what could have happened to Everton if Sean Dyche hadn't kept us up. Then had we faced a points deduction the very next season whilst in the Championship, when I look at what has happened to Leicester City.

2-1 Bournemouth.

I can't see Eddie Howe lasting once the season finishes but, if Man Utd don't lose tonight, then it's a chance for Everton to jump forward three places tomorrow.

I see Maddison was back on the bench for Spurs today.

He could be a massive addition considering how poor they are.

Calvert-Lewin fouled and scores a penalty for Leeds.

Normally, I would applaud a Bournemouth win...

A must-win for us tomorrow then!

I hadn't realised that, in noticing the growing unavoidable tyranny, I was actually being really racist, Mike.

Are there any other 'code words' or tropes to avoid? Or would we be here all night?

Looking at the bigger picture, with Leeds winning today and getting themselves onto 39 points...

You do wonder if they might play a weakened team at Bournemouth on Wednesday night, with them maybe having one eye on a very winnable semi-final at Wembley next Sunday?

Dropped to 9th. We will drop to 10th if Brighton get a draw.

Will this affect David's team talk and approach to the game tomorrow?

More conspiracy theorist drivel from Kevin.

Let's trigger him by talking about Everton in the Community or, god forbid, women's rights.

Yes, Steve, just relax. There's nothing to be concerned about, who needs energy and food after all?

Overrated, I say.

What was the conspiracy theory?

It is a MacGuffin.

Almost sorry I mentioned the toking goal celebration now, was just an observation. And clicks are clicks, right TW?

Can't believe Big Club Spurs don't start Richarlison, he's got more heart than the rest of them put together. Come on, you Seagulls!!

The conspiracy theory I think Steve is referring to is that the god awful mess the world currently finds itself in did not happen organically, but by design. That there is a powerful billionaire class manipulating and undermining sovereign governments, and removing steadily the freedoms of the populations of the world.

This is shown through impositions on free speech, the incoming Digital ID, borderless borders, mass migration, constant war, endless debt and the over promotion of pornography, gambling, abortion, assisted dying, and constant war.

Soon, there will be one shop, one app, no jobs... and if you want food or to go travelling 5 miles beyond your front door, you'd best make sure you've been a good boy or these 'privileges' may be denied you at the drop of a hat.

Denial of banking services alone can be catastrophic and can be done at the whim of the US, as Francesca Albanese has found out recently to her cost.

Darker interpretations speak of population reduction through such things as the Covid jabs, and the famines which may now be weeks away. History is littered with these 'accidents'.

Neil #36, definitely the heart, but not the performance.

Richarlison went into the deep freeze just when Spurs needed him most. Four goals since the end of November. I can understand their manager's decision.

Question for those watching:

Do Spurs look likely to lose?

I can't decide whether going to that dive bar is worth paying $8 for a Guinness.

Go and get yourself vaccinated, Kevin.

Interesting, Kevin, that you have all that information at your command, yet appear not to know (or care) that "globalist" is the most widely-used anti-Jewish slur in society today.

Looking back through thread.

Is the word globalist the problem word?

Are there no Gentile globalists, Mike?

Mike, how many goals did Solanke or the rest of their alleged attacking players score in that period? Anyone get more than Richarlison?

And how many of his appearances were from the bench when trailing? I'll trust my eyes over your stats, see their RS match for just one example, they did nothing until he came on then he made a game of it.

Dale, Spurs potentially getting relegated is as good as it gets and well worth $8 a pint!

Not talking about the academic definition here, John.

It's been a code word for a slur for 150 years. People who use it "claim" not to know that.

Still can't edit FFS!

Also, Mike, wasn't Richarlison out for a month or two since November?

What a hit.

"Globalist" was a term used 150 years ago, Mike?

Neil, I'm not arguing with you. But their manager and their fans certainly would.

Their supporters have been absolutely scorching him on their chat boards, citing missed chances, bad decisions and how often he falls down. Even as they still love his passion.

Some great action in this Spurs - Seagulls game.

And what a goal by Mitoma! Roof of the net. Sweet.

Oh... perhaps I should be wanting a Spurs win?

ps: What device are you using, Neil?

WOW!!!!

Shades of Marco Van Basten

Shades of Timmy Cahill in the World Cup.

Great strike by Mitoma. Can we stick to football Kevin?

Is right, Mike. I forgot about Cahill's one.

Lesson there for all young footballers. Concentrate on the strike and technique rather than trying to whack it

Mike Gaynes...

So you think "globalist" is the most widely-used anti-Jewish slur in society today.

What The Fuck? For 150 years... ???

Most of us are in England, and I can assure you that ';globalist' is not an antisemitic slur in this country, where we used to speak the King's English.

Oxford UK Dictionary

It's not in any country, never mind England Michael.
And certainly not back in 1876

1876 was a good year. Scurvy was down significantly and life expectancy hit an all time high of 43. Great days.

MK I'm on a Samsung phone when visiting this site, the edit button is still an unusable blue spot blotting out the first word of the post.

John, there's apparently a little cadre of oversensitive American Jews who have redefined it as a slur... and Mike is no doubt leveraging that while being seemingly ignorant of standard English usage.

The rest of us, I assure you, can continue to use the term 'globalist' with impunity to mean what it has always meant: an advocate of globalism.

Michael.

I agree with that post.

I think the continued cries of antisemitism for the slightest perceived insult takes away from the issue and trivialises it

Any form of racism is abhorrent to me in saying that.

Mike #45 "People who use it "claim" not to know that".

Mike, I don't "claim", I "know" that I don't know that. I detest anti-semitism, and anti-muslim etc. But please, I use globalist and have never once thought it was an anti-Jewish slur. And I've never ever heard anybody use it in that way. It's widely used on TV news programmes here (and in the US? I don't know) - are they anti-semitic?

Mike's not oversensitive, he posted on this very site about proudly wearing an Argentina shirt when they were playing Canada. There's no way you could be oversensitive and support Nazi sympathisers over the first country to join England in WWII. I suspect he's just stirring the shit.

John,

We rely on language to communicate.

The inherent and highly offensive corruption of a perfectly simple and valid word by such ridiculous claims like that needs to be confronted and rejected completely.

And this from Gaynes: People who use it "claim" not to know that it's an antisemitic slur.

Have you no fucking shame?

Alright maaaan. Not Jewish here, at least not that I know...

That is being a bit cute with it, Michael.

Perhaps we should ask TW resident historian Paul Griffiths whether that time lines up with what was called 'The Jewish Question' (Corey Robin has written on this recently).

Since Mike and Paul don't agree on much, that should be fairly good support for its significance.

Weren't we having Minteh before Brighton bought him?
He's shite!

Michael 64.

Agree with your post.

Great strike by Simons but why do players tske their shirts off when they score when they know theyll get booked? Seems daft to me.

Dont like him but that was a seriously super srike.

Spurs down to 10.1

Well done Liam

back to the footy

Just watching Richarlison sitting on the bench, looks totally pissed off.

Yessssssssss!

Michael, if you're truly curious about the subject and not simply sneering out of rote or deliberately flashing your breathtaking ignorance, you might pick up A History of the Jewish People by Paul Johnson, the legendary British (yes, Michael, British) historian who passed just a couple of years ago.

He extensively discusses the evolution of the term "globalism" (in multiple languages, not just English) as it first related to the early debates over Zionism in the early 1880s (that's nearly 150 years) and became a mainstream term in Nazi propaganda of the late 1930s. And today can find the word being used in an antisemitic context by every fucking far-right media source from 4Chan to your own Nigel Farage, whose frequent utterings of the name George Soros are never without the "globalist" addendum.

Therefore your snotty condescension about the proper use of a highly charged English word is directed at a world-renowned English historian and founder of New Statesman magazine, not some Yank you don't like.

So "have you no fucking shame?" makes you look pretty fucking stupid, doesn't it, Michael?

Looked like Brighton's 6 was the one who both gave up possession to give the Spurs goal and obtained the ball in the box laying it off for Brighton's response.

Well done Liam

back to the footy

Oh fuck. A Tampa Yankfest. Is Jamie there?!?

Antisemitism is being used as a tool by some Jewish people, Mike. Not all.

It's "The boy who cried Wolf" syndrome, the genuine antisemitism is being overlooked. "Ah, there at it again" type of thing.

Did you mean Channel 4 News?

Anyone watching the Michael McIntyre show right now?

10th position now.

Stick or twist David?

John #79,

Six games to play... stick isn't an option.

You know that, Brendan. I know that.

Hopefully the man in charge of this season's finishing position knows it.

Thanks for your post, Brent @62. That is exactly my point.

For Mike Gaynes to post on here that "People who use it "claim" not to know that it is an antisemitic slur" -- that I take very personally and consider to be absolutely abhorrent.

I think there's a few of us on this side of the pond waiting for your profuse apology, Mr Gaynes.

Yessssss!

The United goal, that is.

Mike - 73:

'Paul Johnson does not use the specific term "globalism" in A History of the Jews (1987), as the word only gained widespread political and academic currency in the 1990s and 2000s. However, the book is deeply concerned with the global impact and internationalist role of the Jewish people throughout history.'

Did you read a different book of the same name written by a man of the same name?

Regarding the term 'Legend':

For readers of history and fans of intellectual debate, Paul Johnson was a "legendary" figure known for his prodigious output of over 50 books and his dramatic political shift from the socialist left to the Thatcherite right.

While fans see him as a "monument of genius," many academic historians are hostile toward his work, citing a perceived neoconservative bias and lack of scholarly rigor.

Things to look at in the above are...

'intellectual debate' (This is a football forum not generally known for that sort of thing, no offence, it includes me)

Thatcherite I need not say anymore, especially in a forum where the majority of people are from or live in the city of Liverpool!

Results going well so far with Untied going one up!

John #81

Good post...R.E.S.P.E.C.T!

We are mathematically safe from relegation.

Probably were before today's games but now confirmed.

Mike #73,

Paul Johnson was by no stretch of the imagination a 'legendary historian' and the book you quote is not considered sufficiently academic to be taken seriously.

John @77,

Did you mean Channel 4 News?

I'm guessing you mean the reference to '4chan' by Mr Gaynes. It is something very different from Channel 4 News.

Here's the Wikipedia page: 4chan

Mike #73,

Further to Stan's comment, Johnson was hardly 'founder' of the New Statesman. He edited it for a short period in the 60s I think.

Michael,

The link puts me back to your post.

With so many informed and clever people on this website then sometimes I think it's just best to stick to the football.

Brent @62, I am another who never had a clue, and as much as I don't like bullying or racism, I often think that when people use the race card, they are actually creating division on purpose simply because it suits their own agenda.

We are playing a team who have got a lot of fans like this tomorrow, so let's just hope we beat them and everyone has a great day.🤞

I often think that when people use the race card, they are actually creating division on purpose simply because it suits their own agenda.

That's an informed and clever post Tony😂

It's stupid mate, it draws negativity from people who are marginal to the subject.

Equality amongst all mankind mate. It's simple, but difficult unfortunately.

Fucking depressing that some high profile Toffewebbers are watering down racism.

NSNO what?

"Globalist" is frequently used as a coded, anti-Semitic slur, particularly within far-right, alt-right, and white supremacist ideologies. While the term has a legitimate dictionary definition referring to international economic or political policy, it is often employed in modern political discourse as a dog whistle — a term meant to convey a hidden meaning to a specific group — that echoes historic prejudices against Jewish people.“

BTW - I'm not anti-Semitic but I am anti-Israel. Netanyahu is turning Israel into the bad guys.

Brendan, I for one detest racism and I hope I made that clear in an earlier post.

My own point was that the use of the term "globalism" isn't necessarily (and isn't usually in the UK) used in a racist way, as far as I am aware.

Equality amongst all mankind hould definitely rule you out in my opinion, John.

John @90,

The 4chan link should work now.

Brendan @93,

Can you be a bit more specific or are you being deliberately opaque?

FFS! Brent #96,

No fucking way was I having a pop at you.

There's a lesson in that for all of us, mate!

God Bless!

Decent, Mark, very decent of you. I didn't want to rekindle the fire by saying the wrong thing.

It is one of the weird challenges of the 21st Century: Do you abandon a word or brand when it has been adopted by an ill-motivated contingent.

Some people may not be aware of the sub-context, or the brand may not actually support its adopted symbolism. I think New Balance had that problem 10 or 15 years ago. More currently, I see many people, clearly on the right, wearing Patagonia brand stuff when they know the owner is vehemently against their philosophy.

It is a type of cultural takeover of a space, to overpopulate it to modify its meaning or significance. Google-bombing, remember Santorum?, was also an aspect of this type of cultural space takeover.

It's complicated, maaaan.

Cheers, Brendan!

Rule me out of what, Tony?

Watering down racism, which is what Brendan posted after me and you had a little interchange, John.

Anyway I didn't realise we had dropped to 10th, so I'm going to bed now hoping to wake up to blue skies in the morning, and if it is a blue day, then we will move up four places tomorrow🤞

Goodnight💙

I hate racism in any form Tony. I'm guessing like yourself mate. 👍

It's 2026 and we've still got people spouting garbage.
Live and let live is my thing.

A double bonus of moving up the table at their expense.

Goodnight! UTFT!!

If the Jews who survived WW2 could witness the disgusting behaviour these days of Netanyahu and his ilk, I believe the vast majority would be appalled.

There's no credibility to be afforded any racist person, but for our chief Jewish fan to interpret a non-explicit comment from a fellow fan as anti-Jewish is just bonkers as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, I've no idea if a Jew will be on the pitch tomorrow but if we have one and he scores the winner, I'll get myself circumcised, Mike, in celebration!

I've lived in the South-East for 10 years so have become used to, “Up the Yids!” The natural response is, “Fuck the Yids!”

Does that make me antisemitic, or just a banter filled fun bag???

I reckon the teeny tiny percentage of Spurs fans who are actually Jewish wouldn't mind the banter... because it's exactly that.

The historical wrongs the Jews have been on the receiving end of is diabolical. I'm sure we don't deny it. But this is football, entertainment, storybook back pages.

Leave the politics to the geniuses like Trump, no??

Sorry if I've overstepped or been niave.

I wonder if I say kopites are gobshites, Will I be considered anti-scouse?

It's all silly. Leave the policy to the politicians.

@michael Kendrick: really?

You're prepared to have this drunken, political nonsense on your site on the eve of one of the biggest Merseyside derby games for a long time?

Many words have multiple meanings. The same word in different contexts can be offensive or legitimate. We should pay attention to that.

Tap most people today, and ‘globalist' would mean exactly that for them – e.g. global economic policy or, Heaven forbid, Mike Gaynes, what is now called in some circles ‘Global History'. So, there is a certain arrogance in claiming that the word ‘globalist' matters for one reason only and means one thing only.

‘Therefore your snotty condescension about the proper use of a highly charged English word is directed at a world-renowned English historian and founder of New Statesman magazine, not some Yank you don't like'.

Sorry, Mike Gaynes, this is where your own grasp of some of the issues at hand is thin. Unlike some others, I would never slam you for your sensitivity towards the term ‘globalism' and what it means to you. However, your sense of its history and historians is far from convincing.

Paul Johnson, 'the legendary British (yes, Michael, British) historian and a world-renowned English historian and founder of New Statesman magazine, not some Yank you don't like'.

Erm, The New Statesman was founded in 1913 – Johnson was born 15 years later – by prominent Fabian socialists and deeply consequential historians Sidney and Beatrice Webb, with a lot of financial backing from George Bernard Shaw.

Johnson, on the other hand, did his five-year-stint at The New Statesman (1965-70), as you noted, a heated time to say the least as Johnson has his Road-to-Damascus moment turning on his colleagues and expressing ever more right-wing views.

The parting of ways was – diplomatically – acrimonious, and before long Johnson fell into the cliched role of the new convert, praising Thatcher to the highest heavens, expressing admiration for Pinochet – who he actively defended in his extradition case – and also for the rabid antisemite Franco.

In the early 1980s, Rupert Murdoch got Johnson on board to write for the right-wing rag, The Sun, yes the same rag that blamed the victims for Hillsborough.

I think you made a somewhat strange choice when summoning Johnson to be your main source of ‘academic' support, Mike Gaynes. Johnson became and was a committed neoconservative whose work was disparaged by academics not necessarily for that, but for its ideological bias and motivation and woeful academic standards, and much else besides. No ‘historian' who writes over 50 books can ever be rigorous and attentive across the board. It's not possible.

Johnson is ‘legendary', Mike Gaynes, but not for reasons that you would want him to be batting for your team. A History of the Jewish People is a much-derided book, taken apart and rightly slammed by historians, including Jewish historians. I might also suggest, Mike, that the key terms for the Nazis were not ‘globalism' but ‘internationalism', ‘cosmopolitanism', ‘international finance' and ‘global Jewish conspiracy'.

Written with respect, Mike.

Was it Wilde or Shaw?' The answer appears to be: both.

In The Canterville Ghost (1887), Wilde wrote: ‘We have really everything in common with America nowadays except, of course, language'. However, the 1951 Treasury of Humorous Quotations (Esar & Bentley) quotes Shaw as saying: ‘England and America are two countries separated by the same language'.

Of course, it is axiomatic that any unattributable saying will be attributed to Wilde, Shaw, Churchill, Shakespeare or Confucius.

A very interesting read early on this Sunday morning, Paul. I found history boring until I got a teacher who made it very, very interesting, because I enjoyed that he taught without bias.

That's my worry. Mark M, quoted something from AI, I know this because I read the same thing after Mike posted, and although I delved a little bit deeper and found out a little bit more, my worry is that it's not going to be long before history is re-written because nothing is sacred in this ever intense world.

It's all about speed now and standards don't seem to be improving because of this, but never forget that we can learn more about life from history than anything else imo…. And with it being derby day, let's hope we are all singing about knowing our history, at 4 pm today.

Mike G doesn't need to apologise for anything.

Some internationally obtuse comments on here all the lines of “we're British, the term doesn't have the same meaning.”

I knew what the term meant as an anti-Semitic code word. More importantly, Kevin definitely did. He used it with intention before retreating into his usual bluster and fake innocence.

It is pathetic and shameful that he is allowed to get away with it.

Spot on, Steve - 115.

Tony A, enjoy the match, mate. Crap, I need to get up in 5 hours for it but still down here rather than upstairs.

God bless blues everywhere - fight, momentum, Everton.

Many words have been written on this thread but let's just stick to what Paul has just written in his final sentence for today now.

God bless Blues everywhere -- Fight, Momentum, Everton!💙

Tony A 💙

Claiming Antisemitism is a political tactic claimed worldwide to gain sympathy and reduces its effectiveness against actual incidents of hatred toward Jews (see the wonderful Rabbi Shmuley for many examples)

Weaponising the use of the word antisemitism weakens the term and is antisemitic in itself. Happy Derby Day, Blues!

No Chris, just xenophobic...

Anti-Norwegian, Dutch, Korean, etc

Steve this is the second time you've accused me of being a racist. You are actually an arsehole mate.

I mentioned cannabis and globalism specifically as I had the Canadian situation in mind, the fact that that awful country was pushing this appalling drug on its citizens. There may be a significant Jewish cohort in Canada, but if there is, I'm not aware of it.

I am aware that criticism of Jews can be framed using a globalist framework. So what? Are we not supposed to talk about the clear problems of globalism, just because there are certain racists who use these codewords?

That's like saying we can't talk about mass migration cos all the racists oppose it.

Caused the usual chaos, the use of the word.

It is used as a political tool by some. The go-to answer when any criticism is aimed.

What an enthralling discussion. What a load of shite.

'If you know your history. ' of course we do and we also know where our sympathies lie. Nuff said. COYBs

Enough for today about racism
just today. I would be amazed if there is one racist on here.

Though the exchanges.makes me why I love TW Paul...was nice to be educated and you and MG made me spend an hour looking into it.

My view? Well I have/had a decent intellect and all bits and bobs of DSC/MSC and other work ones.

But to be frank, it was to pass time with my beau who is a Liverpool fan.

Next? Absolute fear. Garden? Pub? Exercise?

She will say they "woz robbed' when we win folks.

So..Garden. Then pub and exercise?

We will see.

Stay hopeful folks.

Hope is a crushing thing.

I didn't realise how ignorant I was until reading this thread.

I must be careful not to use the expression 'Red Shite' again
in case it means I am anti-Russia.

My gawd... the Emptihad.

Loads of empty seats at the back of the upper stand.

And Cherki just dribbles through, brilliant.

Now that is what I want to see every single game from Ndiaye.

I'll take it. Cmon City, kill 'em off.

Agree, Dale, I want to see a title contest.

I think that City go top if they win this and Burnley midweek.

Can't believe that Eze is being subbed.

Good to see you, Paul, mate.

A little late to the action yesterday though. ;)

Well, that makes this weekend a little easier to accept.

Outrage subsided. Thanks, Pep.

Slept all day mate - got up at 5-30PM - Derby prep

Jeez, Haaland's hair FFS

MK, the wonders of AI -

'The upper tier of the North Stand at the Etihad Stadium is currently empty due to ongoing construction for a major £300 million expansion project, which is adding 7,000 seats and is not yet fully completed or officially opened. While sometimes mocked, these empty seats are a consequence of the redevelopment work rather than lack of demand, with the new capacity expected to exceed 60,000 upon completion'

Ah, thank you, Paul.

In the words of Michael Caine... I did not know that.

They’ve got money to burn those globalists in charge of Manchester City!

The expansion of the Etihad for £300M for the addition of 7000 seats is incorrect, it also includes a hotel.

More revenue for Man City.