Uefa Conference League Final

Come on Palace.

One day, it might be us.

Backed the draw... so I hope Palace win it in the extra time period or even on the dreaded pens!

I'd love it to us but I have no belief nor conviction that it ever will be.

The Europa Conference League I feel will grow as a competition as the years pass, many mock it but every tournament, both domestic and European all had a birthplace.

If Everton ever did reach the final of this competition you can bet your bottom dollar it would be rocking, no matter what it is, a Final brings about excitement and anticipation.

Just heard Rayo is being coached by Iraola's assistant when he was there!

We should have signed sarr when he was at Watford.

Enjoying the fast pace of this game.

Rarely enjoy watching Everton. The dull design of Dave sucks the life out of it.

The Rayo No.6 has missed the ball every time he's gone to kick it!

Liam@7. He'll be in a Everton shirt next season then

Get in! I'm enjoying living vicariously through Palace

Mateta!

Gotta love the way this guy scores goals and celebrates. Brilliant,

Palace 1 up and can have all the trophies in the world but they will never have the kind of stability we have finally achieved!

Hit the post 3 times in one go! Good game this

How the hell did that go in?

But he was too casual there, needed more power.

After that incredible double post free-kick. Love that!

That was a free kick.

You still shuffling about James or are you climbing trees again?

I'll take stability over a trophy any day.

People remember years when trophies were won.

1995 we finished what, 15th?
However 1995 will forever be in the memory banks for us winning the FA Cup.

You don't look back on 2007 or 2008 and say "hey remember that year we finished 5th and 6th, great that eh" lol.

People only remember winners.

If you are going to finish 13th every year like us, would be nice to win a fucking trophy while doing it.

Still shuffling about. 3-6 months of shuffling to go for me! Had a shuffle to the cemetery today. It's wild here

Jim, don't forget the magnificent 7th DVD in 2003

Jeez, what happened JM, if you don't mind me asking? Knee replacement? Set on by wolves on the heath?

Imagine having Munoz.

3 trophies in 12 months and they finished below us. Imagine.

Well done, Palace.

Now Glasner... come and see if you can do it at Everton.

Palace 'happily dissatisfied' tonight!

Oh well... lost me bet. Congratulations to Palace!

No pots forever and then Glasner wins three on bounce. I wonder if the TFG were watching in Rome?

Probably not!

We Blues plod on with Stability!

Good luck to them.

Gone are the days when Bill Kenwright was here and he'd always get off the hook with the "only Chelsea, Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal are winning anything anyway".

Well these days every English out there now has had a slice of the cake in the last few years apart from Everton.

I've had a load of titanium rods, and screws inserted into my spine, Paul. 12 months full recovery.

Good luck to Palace. Great to see them win this tonight

Good God JM, and I know from my sis - NHS aall her life - that they don't like to operate on spines. Best of luck mate. Will this affect your work as a lumberjack?

Well at least won the stability cup!

Putting a positive spin on this for us, we now have Bournemouth, Sunderland and Palace playing European football next season...surely this will hamper their League form (like Palace this season) and make it easier for us to finish above them.

Right?

I wanted the Spanish lot to win as they are a better romantic story than Palace. No one cries better at footy than Spanish ladies.

PH etc. Glasner, Iraloa etc. would not touch us with a bargepole. They are ambitious. Mind you Iraloa was quoted last year saying that he would love to work with Michael Keane.

Nice try Lee, straws and clutching spring to mind mate.

Congratulations to Palace, 3 trophies in a year. Not up to much that Glasner, is he!?

It's been mentioned that the Palace stats are similar to ours with regards to pressing, ball retention etc.

But I would take 3 trophies over Moyes stability any day of the week.

I don't think I have had any less enthusiasm for a new season in my 60-odd years of supporting Everton. I will be 70 this year and I hold no great hope of my beloved Everton ever winning a trophy again in my lifetime. Especially with Moyes in charge...

There's only the 9 English clubs that qualified for Europe this year.

Thats might be almost half the league, but it's not stability is it?

Stability is finishing in the same position as the previous year whilst having a cob on over slightly critical questions in press conferences.

Hate Moyes... EVEN MORE NOW... PLEASE SACK OUR DOUR,SAD GAFFER!!

Paul.

You sure it wasn't Dilly Keane ?

Aggghhh, I always get those two mixed up Alan.

Palace will surely go for the Bournemouth Boss now!?

Good luck with your recovery James. I’m sure I’ve seen you post that you have had a lot of operations down the years for a lot different injuries, so hopefully you have no problems during your recovery this time mate.

I thought the noise the Crystal Palace fans made all night was brilliant and to see the absolute joy on the face of every single one of them, is what makes everything worthwhile in the end.

I’m lucky I’ve seen us win trophies, but I think the only way I’m ever going to see us win them again, is if people realise that we haven’t won a thing for 31 years and stop going on about fucking stability.

One of the main reasons Palace, have won a couple of trophies for the first time in their history, is because they employed a winner, but it was nice to be talking about Everton being in Europe, said Dave.

James #28,
All the best for your recovery.

More than anyone on TW, it's you who needs stability. Just not the Moyes kind.

Well I hope to Fuck Moyes was watching that and realises what he's cost us next season. There will be Bournemouth, Sunderland and Crystal Palace in the Europa league and Brighton in the Conference league, four clubs who shouldn't be able to hold a candle against us. No doubt the likes of Coventry and Ipswich will qualify for Europe next season while Moyes will come out and say we just couldn't get over the line.

Crystal Palace played sixty games this season, nineteen more than us, yet Moyes was resting players six or seven games into the season, in the carabao cup defeat at Wolves.

Show a bit of belief you fucking twat and try and win a trophy. Show a bit of belief and play some youngsters in the league, otherwise I honestly believe many of us on here will be dead before we win a trophy again.

Oliver Glasner is now free and available, so FFS Dan Friedkin, give Moyes the push and bring Glasner in.

Cheers gents, appreciate the comments and support.

That's right, Paul, you've got to cling on to something.

I think Rob that the shite will get rid of their Slot. That leaves Palace looking for someone and, possibly, Newcastle. Then, needless to say, there is this thing called Europe with so many tasty looking clubs.

I agree with every word you say Rob. But Saint Daniel the Absent and his eldest are already having meetings in Italy preparing for Roma's future. I genuinely believe that we are some distance in the mirror.

Stability for us at the moment. We play second fiddle in the Absent's plans and mind. Moyes will be with us next season (along with the more important $$$$$$ stadium), I fear, because that's easy.

God only knows what sort of a window we will have if Moyes is still with us. And Saint Angus the Silent might be able on the finance side of things but so far there is little reason for confidence on the playing side of things.

The two recent statements that serve as symptom and symbol of where we are today (and ought to come back to haunt these two erm xxxxxx):

Saint Angus the Silent: 'happily dissatisfied'.

Moyes: 'David do you understand the disappointment of fans.
No I don't understand it'.

Moyes, I dare you to say that to Rob Halligan et al on The Seven Sisters Road around 12:30 last Sunday.

Congratulations Oliver.
That's 3 in two seasons.
Our chap has got one in 27 seasons.

I still can't believe this club hired that loser for the second time! The man is a phony!

Sky Sports listing the English teams that have qualified for Europe and when the first fixtures are.

For Everton it's only a what could have been. Thanks Dismal Dave, for another of your middling, achieve nothing, seasons.

All we proved this season is that Moyes is unfit for purpose and we will never progress with him in charge

I couldn’t watch it. It’s painful behind belief.
We all knew Palace would win.
But it’s ok. We won the stability prize. That’s more important.
Standing still whilst others keep moving forward.

Fuck off Everton and fuck off Moyes.
Fuck off silent Dan and his Roma play thing as well.

Time for a reset and focus on the World Cup.
No dour shite until August at least.

Mixed emotions for me about this - super happy for Crystal Palace fans, and really depressed when you realise how far Everton have fallen when the likes of West Ham, Wigan, Crystal Palace, Leicester, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Tottenham, etc have all won trophies since Everton last won anything. Moyes will not win us anything - I bet he polishes his European Conference League trophy every day, and reminisces about his glorious accomplishments.
I don't think Iraola and Glasner are within reach for us anymore. Eddie Howe or Marco Silva may be our best bets, sadly. At this moment for me, ANYONE BUT MOYES!

Ajay, don't forget to add Swansea and Birmingham City to that list, those footballing giants who have all won a trophy while we stagger on season after season with mediocrity, finishing 13th on the same points as last season, minus goal difference etc, now that's real progress

I read an article recently.

Out of the 92 clubs, over last 30 years, every club has been involved in either winning a trophy, or winning promotion. There is only one club that hasn't been involved.
Take a wild guess which club.

We are floating away into the abyss, a nothing club that never truly bothers any of the top team opposition over the course of a season.
A club that encourages early defeats in Cup competition to allow us to concentrate on avoiding relegation and maintaining stability.

John (54) that strikes me as the sort of stat which gets thrown out on the internet all the time. Impressive-sounding but vague in detail (the '92 clubs' for example are not static), and virtually incapable of proof. Does 'involved in promotion' mean actually achieving it (which is at least measurable) or just being part of the group coming close but not getting over the line? If the latter, since you can't get promoted from the Premiership then you have to use a proxy eg finishing in the top 4.

The general point - that we are pathetic non-achievers - is beyond dispute. But that sort of 'statistic' adds nothing to the discussion.

It might not add anything to your discussion Brian, your choice.
It certainly adds to my discussions.

Great stat John.

OK, I think this will be my last post on TW for some considerable time as I'm just a broken record, and a broken football fan. What's the point in posting, I can't influence anything and it's just not enjoyable anymore.

I have been advocating a move for Glasner all season. He's won 3 trophies in 12 months, more than Moyes entire career.

In his time at Palace he has beaten Liverpool 4 times I think and never lost I also think. Moyes? Meh.

Most importantly, he knows football is about winning things, not simply existing. He can't win the league with Palace, but he can certainly give the fans something else to have a party over.

Anyway, I'll be back when Moyes has gone, but for now I wish every blue all the best and a relaxing summer.

James ( various ) I’m glad you are on the road to recovering although it is going to be a long road but your spirit will get you along it, quicker than you expect hopefully James.

By the way going to the cemetery for a walk will really buck you up because you know you will be coming home and not staying there!

No Glasner and now Europa League and finishing 15th, just 6 points from the drop - got to be amongst the leading contenders for a relegation fight in 26-27.

Over the last 30 years, 45 clubs have been promoted to the Premier League - and all of them have been relegated in those same 30 years.
We could also say, out of the 92 clubs, over last 30 years, 86 of them have been relegated at least once. Everton is not in the 86.

John # 50…..if true it’s a stat that I won’t be losing any sleep over. To be promoted you first have to be relegated, and I doubt any of us want that!

Over the past few years, we’ve seen clubs breaking their duck and finally winning a trophy. I was very surprised to read that the last time Aston Villa won a major trophy, before last week, was in 1996 when they won the league cup, so equally as bad as us. West Ham, Newcastle, Spurs and now Crystal Palace have all finally won something. In the case of West Ham it was, I think over forty years in- between winning a trophy. Newcastle it was fifty five years, Spurs it was seventeen years and for Palace their first trophy ever.

Surely we are due to break that duck and ram that song up the RS’s fucking arse!!

Over the last 30 years, 45 clubs have been promoted to the Premier League - and all of them have been relegated in those same 30 years.

It's a bit of a stretch to include City among that 30, but I'll give you it if you use last 30 years rather than last 30 seasons.

Of course, among those 45 clubs are 3 who have actually WON the Title

To my mind the most damning statistic to look at is the total number of points accumulated in the Premiership by the 6 'ever-presents'. We are bottom of that table by a fucking mile. Obviously City are above us despite being out of the Premier League for a few seasons. Villa might fall into that category now as well.

We were good when I was a kid

It's amazing that some people are trying to put a negative spin on what Glasner has achieved with Palace!

Man! Palace has played 60 games since last summer, 19 more than us! They are a tiny club with a very limited budget and sold three of their best players recently!

Calling them relegation candidates (and sort of underachievers) because they finished the season lower than us is just flat-out ignorance!

Rob.

True mate, it was just the non involvement in anything exiting I was pointing out.
We are a club that bothers nobody, never relegated, don't win trophies just float around wrapped in the warm blanket of stability.

So on that basis we must already be amongst the six most stabile football clubs in the land Phil.

Not quite true but now we have got the new stadium and have had three consecutive 12th or 12th placed finishes, then maybe you could make up an argument that it is true.

86 clubs have been either promoted or relegated during the last thirty years, and out of the other six, how many haven’t won anything?

Glasner a proven winner.

The Moyesiah a proven whiner.

Can someone tell me what is the actual point of supporting Everton?

No cups, no cup runs to speak of, no European sojurns, absolutely nothing, but a board member who reckons we are “happily dissatisfied” and a negative bastard manager who, because we never fought relegation in his first full season back at the club, regards that as progress.

No, it’s not progress – it's downright depressing, watching us struggling at home against the might of Sunderland Wolves, Leeds, West Ham etc is absolutely soul-destroying.

Oh yes forgot we beat Chelsea, didn't we….? But didn’t everyone else around that time?

Pointless FC and I've had enough.

You can't not support Everton, if you're an Evertonian.

I will make one exception, and that is in a game where a victory for us would hand the Title to the Shite. And it has to be literally the game which makes them uncatchable. I was happy to support Everton against City in 2014.

Phil @ 55, didn’t the so called experts say the same thing about Brentford? In those same 30 years you mention, how many trophies did we win?

Bearing in mind Moyes has been in charge for 12 of them.

Rob Halligan @56,

Why are we surely due to break our duck soon. just because Villa, Newcastle, Spurs, West Ham, Palace won a trophy after a lot of barren years.

Oh and add Swansea and Birmingham to that list as well… doesn't mean Everton have got a god giving right to win a trophy.

I personally won't be harbouring any hope of silverware in the near future while David Moyes is manager and these owners favour Roma above us. Thank you...