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A day is a long time in football. A day is certainly a long time when it comes to Everton.

In the space of 24 hours, the club’s leadership managed to lose any credit or trust it had from the fanbase... and it was all for nothing.

Saturday’s 1-1 draw with Bournemouth was overshadowed by news that Everton were in talks with Nottingham Forest over selling Harrison Armstrong, the jewel of the next generation.

Armstrong, to his immense credit, played at the Vitality Stadium, and he played well.

It has been reported that the teenager had not pushed for a transfer. It was not David Moyes’s doing, and it is understood to not have even been a decision made by Angus Kinnear.

Instead, TFG had pulled rank and decided to cash in on the youngster as they aimed to make a quick sale that, it seems, Everton actually badly needed.

TFG has now learned the hard way that you do not rile up this fanbase. By Sunday morning, after an outpouring of outrage among Evertonians — with the 1878s fan group going as far as to threaten a boycott of their activities if Armstrong was sold — TFG had pulled the plug on a deal that, as of Saturday night, had reached the stage where medicals were being scheduled.

That good news was short-lived; Sunday turned out to be one of the most hectic days of transfer-related business in recent memory.

Armstrong is staying, but Iliman Ndiaye is set to join Tottenham, with Richarlison heading the other way. Talks over another loan move for Jack Grealish are at an advanced stage and Kenny Tete is close to joining from Fulham.

But we’ll have more pieces to discuss those various potential ins and outs.
We must circle back to Armstrong, and ask why in the world did TFG think that selling him would be a good idea?

This reeked of a detached ownership stepping in and, frankly, making a huge miscalculation. Whether it’s because TFG has told Everton’s transfer “committee” that there is no more money to be spent, and a sale is needed, or it’s because they simply want to recoup some of the money they
have already put in, or because the Toffees are somehow close to the line on SCR... who knows? 

But what’s clear to this writer is that this was a decision taken at the highest
level without any consideration for the wider context.

TFG, thankfully, saw the error of their ways. But now, they must try and rebuild a bridge they have torched down. It is now time for some open and honest communication from Dan Friedkin, the owner of this football club. We should not only ever be hearing from Kinnear. 

TFG are detached to the extreme. Whereas we heard too much from Farhad Moshiri, we don’t hear anything from TFG, and that needs to change.

Kinnear is their man on the ground, and Evertonians can be grateful for his public communication, but too often it is sounding like spin, rather than honesty. 

But let’s take Kinnear’s words from a few weeks ago at face value. Let’s say he wasn’t lying (as why would he?) — that suggests, then, that the rug was pulled out from under him and his “local team”.

So the next question is, why are Everton so desperate to sell? Why are they in such need to generate, it seems, a profit for the books of around £40M?

Is it just a coincidence that such a profit would cover the amount put into the club by TFG earlier this summer to cover the payment to Burnley?

If it is, then it’s understandable — but tell us! Do not take the fanbase for fools.
Were TFG eager to release funds to attack the last few days of the market, but did they miscalculate who in the squad was for sale, despite reportedly receiving pushback from Kinnear and Co?

Are TFG unimpressed by the transfer committee’s lack of decisive decision-making? Are they unimpressed that fringe players have still not been sold? Perhaps that is why they stepped in.

But if that is the case, then heads need to roll. Ultimately if something isn’t working, it’s best to change it quickly, rather than drag it out. Because, if Kinnear is not being listened to, or if he is being circumnavigated, his position is untenable. If Moyes is being too stubborn, then he must be shown the door if he does not want to fit into the plan — whatever “the plan” is.

And the worst thing of all is, this situation with regard to Armstrong was totally unavoidable. Evertonians might not like it, but they can understand that Ndiaye — who is not going to sign a new contract and can attract a sizeable fee — wants to leave and that sometimes you have to cash in to reinvest when the opportunity is there to do so.

But Armstrong has shown no such desire to leave. He has started every game this season and he has been superb. He is the future of this club, or at least, he should be.

All that this fiasco achieved was not only annoying the fanbase and exposing a flawed structure behind the scenes — it also will have no doubt planted serious questions in Armstrong’s mind.

Over the summer, Armstrong joined the Unique Sports Group agency. These are serious players, they do not mess around. And you can bet, that now, they will be pushing their client out and circling his name, because it’s clear, Everton were willing to sell.

TFG might have seen sense, but is it already too late? Armstrong only has 2 years left to run on his contract. Everton should be doing all they can to renew it, but will that be enough?

He was reportedly in line to earn a six-figure weekly salary at Forest — are the Toffees now going to have to shatter their wage structure to try and keep a teenager who, as good as he is, isn’t 100% guaranteed to be a first-team starter in every single game?

And don’t be surprised, regardless of Armstrong’s contract situation, if his agency generates more significant interest in January, or next summer, from bigger players than Forest.

Armstrong is rightly seen as one of the brightest prospects in English football. He has the composure, the craft and the fight to make it. He is not Wayne Rooney level, sure... but this is a kid that’s going places.

Now, Everton — or, namely, TFG — have opened a can of worms. It’s a huge misstep, and those who already had their concerns over TFG’s true aims and ambitions for this club will now almost certainly be done with them and calling for another ownership change.

Those who were on the fence may now be leaning that way, too. And this is the issue: TFG don’t really have any defenders because they never speak. They never communicate with this fanbase and show that they really care or understand what Everton is about.

Have Dan or Ryan Friedkin even attended a game at Hill Dickinson Stadium yet? It’s going to be a long way back, and there’s almost certainly going to be some casualties of this.

Let’s just hope, on the pitch, Everton still come out of this summer stronger than they started it, and that Armstrong realises that he is, at least in the eyes of the fanbase, the shining light.

 

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Mike Allison
1 Posted 30/08/2026 at 22:51:09
A nice summation, Patric, I feel so completely without hope for the future of the club under these owners now.

What on Earth is going on? We've been skint and desperate before -- if we are, tell us. We can handle it.

Did someone think it was good business sense to sell off a prized asset for a low value?

Who at the club thinks Kenny Tete is the answer to the right-back problem?

So much damage has been done, and as fans we're essentially angry and bewildered about the whole thing. We need some serious, clear communication as a first step because we've been massively disrespected.

The journalists like Alan Myers, Joe Thomas and Giulia Bould need to do some actual journalism and ask some real questions, getting some real answers.
Ian Wilkins
2 Posted 30/08/2026 at 22:58:11
On the face of it, despite CEO saying the opposite, we do appear to have had an urgent need to generate funds. And the sale of Armstrong, unlike the anticipated sale of others, came from left field.

Add to the mix our senior management, including manager, looking divided and side-swiped.

Yes, it's been a strange period, in which, in the absence of any meaningful explanation, we are left to draw our own conclusions. Not a way to run a football club.

Leaves a lot of questions. Perhaps Guilia Bould, not one to shirk the awkward question, should publicly ask to discuss with Mr Kinnear. See how that goes…
Mike Gaynes
3 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:05:41
Patric, you couldn't have crammed any more hyperbole into this rant if you'd tried.

Yes, this definitely "reeked of a detached ownership... making a huge miscalculation." But "a bridge they have torched down" and a "fiasco"?

It would have been that and worse had they closed the sale. But in the end all they did was field an offer presented by Armstrong's powerhouse agents and then foolishly decline to instantly turn it down because, one assumes, they didn't understand Armstrong's meaning to a fan base that had tracked his growth since he was 5 years old.

To them, this was a chance to cash in on what they saw as our fourth-or fifth-choice defensive mid (Garner, Norgaard, Rohl and Hackney could all be ahead of him still) without seriously damaging the squad.

Well, they found out the hard way that they needed to listen to the fan base, and they reversed course. Lots of "detached" owners wouldn't have. And it's not like the consequences seemed immense. I mean, the 1878s threatened to halt their activities? Not quite comparable to the Roma Ultras threatening to kill the Roma CEO and her children.

The Friedkins have dealt with a way worse fan uprising than this one, without bending. So I give them a certain amount of credit for recognizing their error and backing off. Yank billionaires aren't exactly noted for their willingness to do that.

No, the Friedkins don't care about building bridges to the fans, or coming to the games. They're devoted to building a business entity. They will assuredly make more mistakes in the process, but I predict they're not going anywhere.

In the meantime, Armstrong will feel really good about himself. And that may help him through a long season of watching others named to the 11 ahead of him.
John Collins
4 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:08:34
Kidded again by the looks of it.

The massive wave of enthusiasm as we entered the new stadium, with billionaire owners, has slowed to a drip. People hoping what they are seeing in front of them isn't true.

Personally, I'm gutted. I realised a while back what the owners were about, but have to admit I was taken in by the whole thing initially. Only Everton eh.
John Collins
5 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:11:31
Mike,

"But in the end all they did was field an offer presented by Armstrong's powerhouse agents and then foolishly decline to instantly turn it down because, one assumes, they didn't understand Armstrong's meaning to a fan base that had tracked his growth since he was 5 years old."

That would have took them the length of a phone call to" understand". Not two days.
Mark Taylor
6 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:15:50
You feel that the manager, CEO and owners are not exactly a united front here. I had hoped we had moved on from dysfunctional.

I've posted before how important our SCR is while ruminating over transfers. There's no point calling for big money to be spent if the rules don't allow it. My very rough back of a fag packet calculation put us around 70% or so based on this coming year's revenue, taking our CEO at his word that we (somehow) are now in the top third for revenue generation.

85% is the number (though some clubs will happily stretch that further and pick up the penalties) but it's important to note that level will almost certainly see us making a loss, especially when you factor in the reality that roughly 10% of our revenue is needed to service our debt.

And that made me wonder if the real limit is actually 70%, and no more. That of course is also the level you need for Europe and keeping it there avoids us making Villa style cuts on the off chance we actually got into Europe.

That leaves us in a kind of limbo. Personally I'd take the Beto - Balogon swap, keep Ndiaye, see if we really can't manage to do something with the Iroegbunama deal, and maybe Patterson to rustle up the money for some kind of right-back. If it has to be Tete, who did used to be a decent player, they better do a thorough medical because he has become a biscuit.

That would do. I don't want Grealish or Richarlison back, wages prohibitive and potential to wreck our SCR. Then maybe with a bit of wage headroom, see what we can pick up in January.
Derek Thomas
7 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:17:36
It's not a 'Cover up' as such, but we all know it's the cover up that causes the most trouble.

If we needed £40M because of Burnley and compliance -- then say so! Turn the anger outwards to Masters and Burnley, not inwards.

I'm starting to even feel sorry for Moyes -- it'll soon pass I'm sure -- possibly having to manage this hotch-potch patch of Richarlison, Grealish and Tete... aka, the old, the halt and the lame.

Dysfunctional? We can only dream of being that efficient.

What a fucking shambles
Jeff Armstrong
8 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:22:34
I don't think Harrison will be feeling good about his £1200 per week contract, which was due to go to £80,000 pw at Forest; if he's lucky, it will rise to £10,000 pw at EFC.

It would be interesting to get the full story about this non-move; what were Harrison's views on the whole story?
Mark Taylor
9 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:23:36
Derek,

I may be wrong here but while Friedkin clearly does not have his finger on the pulse of the club he bought, nevertheless he doesn't strike me as a man to miss detail in a deal.

The Burnley issue was known at the time of the sale and I would be very surprised indeed if they did not treat it as a contingent liability and made sure Moshiri covered it, possibly by holding back a portion of the money due to him, until resolved.

I don't think they need that £40M. I do think they want to keep us on a tight leash on investment in players.
Josh Horne
10 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:26:23
Abysmal football judgement and a worrying lack of awareness of football economics to not recognise the very likely imminent escalation in value of this young man, in the manner that Forest clearly did.

Thank God for the vocal travelling blues. The alarming thing is that, had Forest kept their powder dry until Tuesday, they would have got him. Furthermore he would have been a starting first team player for them.

Having eventually recognised his value, the problem the club now has is accomodating him in an overpopulated centre midfield.

If we needed to make a profit on a centre midfielder, then on the back of last season I think we could have done that with Garner and opened up a pathway for Armstrong and Hackney.

For these reasons, heads do need to roll. There is no connected thinking in building a squad and the antagonism between manager and recruitment team is totally unsustainable.
Ian Wilkins
11 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:28:02
Moshiri was left accountable for any known potential liabilities. This included Burnley litigation and potential 777 Partners legal fallout.

This would be the case in any business acquisition.
Christy Ring
12 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:30:42
Mike #3,

In all fairness, you give the Friedkins credit for recognising their error and backing off.

No they didn't, Mike, the backlash from the diehard Everton fans was the reason they backed down.

Your comment about Armstrong watching others named in the 11 ahead of him for the season, stinks of sarcasm. I thought you were better than that... totally disappointed.
Mike Gaynes
13 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:34:39
Josh #10, Garner???

You're kidding, right? Our Player of the Season? Our Players' Player of the Season?

Everton isn't a youth development camp. We're here to win games. That requires putting our best players on the pitch.

Not young 'uns who need "pathways".
John Collins
14 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:37:20
Harrison? Pathway?

I don't think so.
Don Alexander
15 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:44:18
Friedkin, despite his one or two defenders on here, is showing no business acumen when it comes to our club.

With his whimsical greed now publicly retracted by him on our Harrison, he's shown the football world he's also a moron owner who's inadvertently diminished the value of the club he for now owns, and really pissed off the fans he takes for granted to provide him, a multi-billionaire according to certain acolytes, with a comparative smidge more money.

His allegedly personally appointed team of "experts" are now shown by him to have no sway in anyway that matters when it comes to improving our club.

If any of them had a shred of honour they'd resign on principle, but of course they accept Friedkin treats them like whores, and sates their own financial wishes in the process.

And as far as the fans are concerned none of them give us a damn.
Gavin Johnson
16 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:45:56
Questions need to be asked of Kinnear -- why we have accepted a low ball offer on Ndiaye.

I didn't believe the fee would be just £60M given the current market and the player being on a long-term contract, but that's the fee that was just announced on MotD.

It also said Richarlison still needs to be convinced to join. He probably thinks its gonna be like the Moshiri days, going off TFG's actions over the last few days.
Josh Horne
17 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:47:37
Mike@13, despite your disparaging remarks about the original article, you evidently do recognise the valid points that it makes about how the club now manage Armstrong after denying him a massive wage increase and almost certain regular first-team football.

I am, however, surprised that you are so dismissive about providing pathways to rising stars. It is quite normal at successful football clubs.

Have you any suggestions more fully thought through than Armstrong watching others start ahead of him? I assume you recognise how that would ultimately play out?
Stan Grace
18 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:53:13
Mike #3,

"Well, they found out the hard way that they needed to listen to the fan base."

As that had already happened at Roma, it might be fair to suggest that the Friedkins are a bit slow on the uptake.
Mike Gaynes
19 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:55:02
Christy #12, assuming everybody's healthy, do you expect to see Armstrong picked ahead of Garner? Norgaard?

Will Moyes slot in a teenager ahead of two 24-year-olds who have already impressed, one of them the reigning Championship Player of the Season?

I do not believe so. When Norgaard and Hackney are 100% and Rohl is no longer needed at right-back, I expect Armstrong to spend a lot of minutes on the bench this season.

Stan #18, my point was that the Friedkins didn't back down at Roma. They kicked out De Rossi and told the Ultras to go pound sand. It was a huge mess, but they didn't flinch. And the Ultras still hate 'em even as Roma now launches into the Champions League. The Friedkins don't care.

Yet they reversed on Armstrong. They listened to us. I say good for them.
Rob Dolby
20 Posted 30/08/2026 at 23:58:31
Mike 3, You're defending these guys too much.

The owners are not interested in anything other than making money out of the club. It's a proven way of operating in the Premier League.

If we had already bought a striker and right-back, then selling Armstrong wouldn't have caused such commotion. The fact we are linked with signing journeymen and cant buy a right back but are willing to sell a youngster to a club with more ambitious owners is pretty damning to our owners.

As much as I don't like it we need Moyes more than ever as I have no faith in the owners in trying to restore stability. What a mess again.
Mike Gaynes
21 Posted 30/08/2026 at 00:06:05
Rob, I'm not defending anybody. Here's my comment from last night's thread about the impending sale:

I would consider it moronic stupidity in the extreme, not just for football and financial reasons but even more for the staggering imbecility of instantly and permanently antagonizing virtually 100% of their club's fanbase, as well as unforgiveably alienating most of their most valuable employees.

You call that a defense? I'm just glad they reversed their course.

Of course they're interested in making money. You make money when you win and get into Europe. Why is that a problem?

As for stability, it's already been restored. We don't have massive debts or crooked buyers sniffing around, and signings like Hackney, Johnson, Norgaard and George are strengthening the squad.

What comes next is the new manager and the building of the team back into a real contender. What owners would you rather have for that?
Mike Gaynes
22 Posted 30/08/2026 at 00:14:32
Josh #17, yep, I believe it will eventually play out by Armstrong beating out the players who are blocking his way and earning -- not being gifted but winning -- his place in the starting 11. It wouldn't take long. Sign him to a new contract and get out of his way.

But do not artificially accelerate that process by selling our best player to clear a path. That is most definitely not what successful clubs do.
Rob Dolby
23 Posted 30/08/2026 at 00:18:01
Mike, I would love owners who are Evertonians and who want the best for us.

Most if not all Premier League teams are foreign-owned and are either status symbols for their owners or cash cows. Which one are we?

We have had nothing at all from the owners to say which direction they want us to go in. They have taken dividends out of the club and not made a single statement to the fans to reassure us about the club. Behaviour like that only fuels mistrust.
Mike Gaynes
24 Posted 30/08/2026 at 00:27:40
Rob, if there were any Evertonians anywhere with the kind of cash pile Friedkin has, they would have appeared 2 years ago when the club was in desperate straits and on sale at a sharp discount.

But we don't just need rich owners to challenge for titles and Europe, we need owners with the business expertise to build our revenues big enough to compete with the Six -- all of whom have 3X to 4X our buying power for players.

We spent decades with an owner who had a grand passion for the club but no money and no ability to make us elite again. Friedkin may have no passion for our badge, but he has shown throughout his career a passion for success.

Personally, if I can't have both, I'd rather have that going for us than a love of the Blue.
John Collins
25 Posted 30/08/2026 at 00:40:05
Mike.

"But he has shown throughout his career a passion for success."

Can you give an example of that passion for success at Everton Football Club please?
John Pickles
26 Posted 30/08/2026 at 00:43:14
Everton had money problems. It got over them by not spending money year after year. It hasn't overspent or got close to it for years now.

Compared to most teams, we have spent modestly again so far this season. We do not have money problems, we don't need to balance the books.

If we are selling good players who don't want to leave, it's not down to necessity.
Stan Grace
27 Posted 30/08/2026 at 00:48:34
Mike #19,

To appease the Roma fanbase they issued very rare public statements: "We have the utmost respect for Daniele", parted ways with their unpopular CEO, and hired the popular Claudio Ranieri.

Hardly telling people to 'pound sand'.

More like people who only understand the business of sport from an American perspective. The attempted 'draft' of Armstrong seems to have been an example of that.
Steve Brown
28 Posted 30/08/2026 at 00:56:03
The return of Smithers.

“Friedkins don't care about building bridges to the fans, or coming to the games”. “They're devoted to building a business entity, “They kicked out De Rossi and told the Ultras to go pound sand.” “He has shown throughout his career a passion for success.”

Hilarious and embarrassing in equal measure.

TFG have trashed their own credibility and trust with the fans in the last 2 days, as has Kinnear. Stop trying to polish a turd.
Don Alexander
29 Posted 30/08/2026 at 00:58:59
Some of the fantastically superlative comments in support of Friedkin -- however he'd describe himself if he ever deigns to afford us fans a mere dialogue with him -- reek of Trumpism,

Bullshit, greed and disdain for anyone who dares to question the bleedin' obvious prevails, despite Friedkin now admittedly saying he's shown his own arse to the football world re Harrison Armstrong.

NSNO to him means "No Sense No Obligation". Fuck him!
Mike Gaynes
30 Posted 31/08/2026 at 01:23:11
Stan #27, factual corrections:

There is nothing unusual about issuing vanilla complimentary public statements complimenting managers you just sacked. Happens every time.

Roma's CEO was not unpopular until the Ultras' idol De Rossi demanded she be fired. The Friedkins did not part ways with her -- she resigned and left Italy under threats to her children. And Ranieri wasn't the replacement for De Rossi -- he was hired only after Juric crashed and burned.

John #25, here's a partial list:

- Bought the club out of financial desperation.
- Reduced the club's net debt by 57%, discharged all the toxic 777 loans and converted £451 million of Moshiri shareholder debt to equity.
- Secured new stadium financing and finished it on schedule.
- Secured new worldwide business partnerships with the likes of Budweiser and Pepsi.
- Ramped up club revenues 35% year on year.
- Authorized the complete revamp of the club's Academy system and hired a highly respected executive (Cox) to carry it out. (Check out the highlights of the U18s last two games.)
- Spent roughly £200 million (so far) on player signings.
- Acquired a data analytics company to bring the club up to speed on modern player assessment.
- Revamped the club's dysfunctional executive structure (a process obviously not finished yet).

Every one of these steps is directed towards success.

But of course they carry no weight with fans who believe that owners must love the club and attend the games in order to deliver success.
Josh Horne
31 Posted 31/08/2026 at 02:01:37
Mike @22, Nottingham Forest consider him good enough to replace £116M Elliot Anderson right now but he is going to sit on the bench at Everton and patiently wait for a chance? Get real.

He is good enough now and he needs to play, or we lose him in January or next Summer and for a fraction of his value. That is one of the points correctly made in this article.

After years of being unspectacular in Everton's midfield, Garner had a good season last year. His stock is high and will probably not much increase. I am of the opinion that Armstrong's ceiling is considerably higher.

We are overstocked in midfield and apparently open to opportunites to reduce personnel in this area if we can turn a profit. This is presumably to fund better acquisitions than the woeful culmination of a year of deliberation of the recruitment team in respect of a right-back.

Why is this model of player sale relevant? Because the owners seem determined that our net spend remains in the basement of the Premier League.

As you well know, Brighton have succesfully been selling their best players for years, and this model has been adopted by others such as Bournemouth and Brentford. That is the basis of my suggestion that, if we are selling a high-ticket centre-midfielder, Garner makes more sense.

You've not explained how Armstrong is going to be convinced that there is a pathway for him at Everrton but you are seemingly outraged that a £40M offer for him was reluctantly refused.

Sorry, but park him on the bench and expect him to be patient is not going to cut it.
Don Alexander
32 Posted 31/08/2026 at 02:01:58
Mike, as ever, you swerve in every way possible to afford huge support for Friedkin.

For once, the debacle he personally created re the fiasco of selling Armstrong at last caused you to hint at criticism of him... Wow!

He's a money-greedy US-based $billionaire with no consideration whatsoever for values us proper Toffees cherish.

I don't know how that translates in Trump-speak to Friedkin's defenders. Maybe you'd like to enlighten?
Stan Grace
33 Posted 31/08/2026 at 02:39:53
Mike #30, Factual corrections:

"There is nothing unusual about issuing vanilla complimentary public statements complimenting managers you just sacked. Happens every time."

Not with the Friedkins. Dan and Ryan Friedkin wrote a joint, personal statement, addressed especially to the Roma fans. Nothing vanilla or corporate about it. They didn't do that after sacking Juric or Ranieri. In fact Ranieri contradicted the corporate statement the Friedkins had released to the media about his leaving being a mutual decision.

"And Ranieri wasn't the replacement for De Rossi -- he was hired only after Juric crashed and burned."

I never said Ranieri followed directly on from De Rossi.

"Roma's CEO was not unpopular until the Ultras' idol De Rossi demanded she be fired."

The CEO was not a victim of De Rossi's backstage politics, and it was actually the Friedkins and Souloukou who blindsided De Rossi. There is no recorded evidence whatsoever of your claim that De Rossi demanded her sacking.

"The Friedkins did not part ways with her -- she resigned and left Italy under threats to her children."

I'll let you claim that one.

1 out of 4 is Beto territory, isn't it?
Mike Gaynes
34 Posted 31/08/2026 at 03:08:29
Stan, I'd be very interested to know how "the Friedkins and Souloukou blindsided De Rossi" since they're the ones who hired him? And Gazzetta Dello Sport reported two weeks subsequently that Friedkin gave Souloukou permission to fire De Rossi when De Rossi gave him a "her or me" ultimatum. I read it myself.

There was nothing "backstage politics" about it. De Rossi was very publicly critical of Souloukou over the Dybala transfer talks. Not something you do after three months on the job.

The Friedkins did release a standard statement after sacking Mourinho, “We would like to thank José on behalf of all of us at AS Roma for his passion and efforts since his arrival at the club" and speaking of their great memories of his tenure. See, they did previously do things like that. They haven't the last few times.

Bit more accurate than Beto?
Mike Gaynes
35 Posted 31/08/2026 at 03:33:46
Josh #31, please do not so blatantly and obviously misrepresent my opinions ("you are seemingly outraged that a £40M offer for him was reluctantly refused").

Re-read post #21 and multiple posts on the "Would Everton Really Sell"? thread to see that I was in fact outraged about the idea of selling Armstrong. I am unreservedly delighted that the fanbase changed Friedkin's mind. Debate me honestly or I won't engage with you.

As to your opinion, James Garner is 25 and just coming into his full pomp as the best player at Everton. I wish you luck finding support for the idea that the teenaged Armstrong is "good enough now" to replace him. You certainly won't find that opinion among his manager, coaches or teammates.

And successful clubs do not replace their Player of the Season with a 19-year-old just to prevent him from leaving. They sign the kid to a new contract and convince him his future is here. That's the job of management.

We fans expect to see our best 11 on the pitch. That's James Garner.

I agree only with your opinion that Armstrong's eventual ceiling is higher than Garner's. But he will start league games this season only if Garner, Hackney or Norgaard are injured (although he may get the call for more Cup ties). If you truly expect otherwise, I think you're in for disappointment.
Annika Herbert
36 Posted 31/08/2026 at 04:10:27
It's just as well that someone still retains full backing for TFG because it's pretty clear the majority of Evertonians don't feel that way.

As far as I am concerned the so-called crack recruitment team have proved to be anything but elite. The Armstrong fiasco is unforgivable and I fail to see our current ownership leading us to the promised land.

I have never seen a reason given for the Freidkin's attendance at the odd Roma game, but not bothering with Everton.

There is no doubting their business acumen, nor the wealth they have steadily built. Just as there is absolutely no guarantee that their business success will translate into our sporting success.

Almost £200M spent on players so far. Almost as much as Ipswich have spent in one window.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
37 Posted 31/08/2026 at 05:26:59
I alluded to this on another post, but I think it bears repeating because no one has been able to explain the chain of events that led to this “fiasco” — and yes, Mike G., it was just that, and it would’ve been Roma Ultra-level bad had it gone through.

Rather than pile on, Mike, as I respect your point of view on TFG, but also feel like your defense this time is bizarre — they did more than just not turn down the offer, they accepted it and it would’ve likely gone through were it not leaked by Ornstein on match day — I’ll offer up that my criticism of them is that, in fact, you do need to understand your fan base and your club’s history and your money-making product that fuels your billion-pound business to be a great sports club owner. Even if you entrust the day-to-day to the football men, you must know a thing about your business to make sure your football men know what they’re doing. To me that includes having some basic knowledge of your players, especially your most valuable ones and those most loved by your passionate fans. Then when presented with a £40 million transaction, you have a fucking clue what you’re signing off on.

Which leads me to the point I wanted to make but digressed. In order for this deal to get to Friedkin’s desk,I’m assuming it first goes to Kinnear, and he and his team had to think this made sense. Kinnear would then see if Armstrong and his team will accept the move, which to be fair to Harrison, increasing your salary 10x and going where you’re wanted is probably something you’ll accept. And then Kinnear brings it to TFG and recommends the sign-off, and at that point you could make the argument if they know nothing of footballl that it would seem sensible to sell your 4th or 5th center mid for £40 million. (I dispute Mike G’s characterization of him as that low on the pecking order, but let’s assume it was presented that way; I think he’s probably already better than Hackney, Tim and Rohl, or at least can’t be replaced by them based on his performances, and will soon prove superior. Norgaard is probably only more
Important because we need a true 6 on the field.)

That says nothing of what input Moyes was allowed or offered up, because it’s clear he’s a lame duck, and it’s not clear what input, if any, he’s allowed these days with transfers. It’s my long way of saying that while TFG are deeply out of touch, and should be criticized for their silence, especially if they’re telling Kinnear to bullshit us about our finances, it’s Kinnear and his team who are paid millions to not be so fucking stupid as to think selling Armstrong was a good idea.

And the only way I can see TFG earning our trust back would be to speak up and explain themselves or sack Kinnear as soon as the transfer window is over. They won’t do either, and the lack of trust will persist, even if we make Europe or win a trophy.
Stan Grace
38 Posted 31/08/2026 at 07:10:51
Mike #34,
Nothing in your response actually addresses or disproves my three points:

- Dan and Ryan Friedkin wrote a joint, personal statement, addressed especially to the Roma fans. Nothing vanilla or corporate about it.
(They didn't write such a statement like that after sacking any other manager)

- I never said Ranieri followed directly on from De Rossi.

- There is no recorded evidence whatsoever of your claim that De Rossi demanded her sacking.
Allan Board
39 Posted 31/08/2026 at 07:28:26
Trouble with Footy(and sport in general)? MONEY. Get used to it, its done. I'll always support my beloved Everton, but, win lose or draw- doesn't seem to matter anymore.
Danny Baily
40 Posted 31/08/2026 at 07:28:58
I think it's the case that we don't need the profits from a sale for any other purpose than to fund further player acquisitions to better balance the squad.

From an outsider perspective, selling a relatively unproven talent for pure profit allowed us to keep our established star players while funding the purchase of a right back, striker, etc.

On that basis, I can fully see what the club was trying to achieve. Unfortunately, the SCR rules effectively encourage this kind of transfer; homegrown players are pure profit on the balance sheet.

I'm glad Armstrong is staying. But I'm also concerned about what it means when it comes to the rest of our business this window and the immediate future on the pitch.
Mick O\\\'Malley
41 Posted 31/08/2026 at 07:48:27
Josh @31 agreed, I'm also of the opinion that we wouldn't miss Garner,and no long winded post is going to convince me otherwise, if it was a choice of Armstrong in the side or Garner id take Armstrong every single time,.for me he brings something different to the position with his ball carrying ability instead of the usual side to side passing we get from Garner, we all have different opinions but I'm definitely with Josh regarding Garner
Andy Meighan
42 Posted 31/08/2026 at 08:03:56
Mick 41.

Id agree with that, although Garner had a good season, I think you're right in what you say in as regards his passing.

It's mainly sideways or backwards, I do remember one particular ball for Beto a couple of seasons back and maybe there's been more, but for me there's not enough of it.

If and it is a big if I had to lose one itd definitely be Garner, Armstrong is a old head on young shoulders and is only going to improve.
Paul Griffiths
43 Posted 31/08/2026 at 08:08:46
I for one respect MG's integrity and reasoned backing for TFG, although I do not always agree with it. MG was fuming about the potential HA sale and lambasted Saint Daniel-the-Freakin-Silent and co in as harsh terms as anyone on here.

I don't agree with his ranking of HA. I think that from now on more care will be taken with HA than any other player at our club. I earn more than he does at this moment in time FFS. The club need to sit down with him, tell him how important he is, give him a pay rise x50 at least, get a new contract sorted. He will start more matches this season than sitting on the bench, I think, OK I hope. I would also rather sell Garner than Harrison.

This weekend has shown the very real limitations of TFG's silence and absence. This is Everton, and now more than any other time, communication is required, necessary, vital. That they do not communicate does not make it right. In this respect, TFG are completely failing us, the people who most matter, most of all the wonderful blues at Bournemouth yesterday who persuaded them against the first instincts and priorities to back down on HA. Wonderful people.

But it's a one-way public conversation so far.

This window, I believe, has furthered distanced many fans from TFG and their absence and silence is making things worse. Grealish the slob and crock, Richy/Illy, and FFS Tete will make things worse.

The only hope is that our crack recruitment team and world-class diagnostics come up with a creative surprise in the next 40 hours, because they have noit been in any evidence at all with Hackney, George, Rohl, Norgaard, Johnson, and, perhaps, Grealish, Richarlison, and Tete.

Again, Kinnear, WTF is 'Plan B' and where is it?
John Keating
44 Posted 31/08/2026 at 08:13:57
Fully agree with Jonathan at 37

I see the main culprit as Kinnear and his team.
This potential move had to have been instigated at local level. I doubt very much Friedkin would have been involved or known anything about it until Kinnear gave him the lowdown.

In my opinion it just proves that the balance between running a football Club as a “business” and a life lasting community entity - something made extremely difficult since the Premier League was introduced - has shifted immeasurably to a “business” model.

As FIFA has proved, the days that fans have any sort of say in the running of football in general and Clubs in particular, is eroding at an alarming rate
Thankfully our great supporters managed to get through to our business management team.
Had this potential transfer not been unveiled until Tuesday Armstrong would have been looking for digs in Nottingham on Wednesday morning
Brian Wilkinson
45 Posted 31/08/2026 at 08:18:04
The owners have still to meet David Moyes in person.

I get buisness people are buisy and they don't always get to meet members who work for them, yet even with Everton having a USA tour in the summer of 2025, the owners decided not to meet the manager or take time out to welcome his team to The States or greet supporters.

Even more bizarre, he buys the football club, the history of Goodison Park chapter comes to an end, a new era and a new stadium opening, yet the owner decides not to attend any of those two historical events, nor has he set foot in either stadium to watch a game.

I do not care what anyone says, if you are a buiseness man or woman, you want to know how the company is doing. How many times have you seen secret millionaire, the owner turns up undercover, just to see how his buisness and staff are doing?

To miss two of the most important parts of Everton's history from within the two grounds, then to not even welcome the players and manager to The States, tells me they do not give two hoots about Everton as a football club, they see the stadium as their buisness side and where the money comes in.

If they had an ounce of football sense, they would not have even had a meeting to discuss Harrison Armstrong being sold.

These owners are in it for the stadium, they are buisness men, I fully get that, but they are certainly not in it for Everton Football Club.
Andy Meighan
46 Posted 31/08/2026 at 08:32:30
Tells you everything you need to know about the TFG that they employed a manager 18 months ago and have never even met him.

And now this music hall joke with Armstrong, they must have thought our fans would just accept anything they throw at us.

Oh and by the way, Paul, thought you were getting away without me mentioning Hull, on 6 points now with 36 left to play, you might want to reconsider your stance, what was it 5 pts you said, looking good for them already, just saying like.
Alan McGuffog
47 Posted 31/08/2026 at 08:41:49
Total respect to all the travelling blues who not only made the onerous trek to the South Coast but made their (and all of our) feelings known about retaining Harrison Armstrong.

So, and I agree with Brian: TFG are in it for the money... End of. That leaves Kinnear, presumably, at the Vitality on Saturday. "Blinking Flip" he says, listening to the protests. "My bosses had better hear this".

So he gets his trusty iPhone out and calls up the yanks. They're busy eating corn dogs or whatever they eat over there -- It's 'macaroni cheese' btw -- not mac and fecking cheese -- watching the playoffs (it's always play-offs in American sit coms isn't it ?) They listen to our lads on speaker and think: "Goddam it, we can't sell this Harrison Ford guy, they love him!"

Is that what happened? Asking for a friend.
Peter Mills
48 Posted 31/08/2026 at 08:43:04
I'd be quite happy to see James Garner play at right-back, with Armstrong or Hackney filling the midfield place.
Derek Knox
49 Posted 31/08/2026 at 08:45:01
Don @ 29, a good description there, and an echo of my feelings towards TFG.

I am not that naive to believe that anyone owns a football club to make a loss, but I do object vehemently against the fans being ripped off in the process.

While being grateful they rescued us from the Jaws of Extinction and oblivion, it doesn't give them licence for payback at any cost!

Bri @45, a very valid point there that the new owners (had they any serious interest beyond being a cash cow) would have at least made a few visits, not only to the new stadium, but to even meet the Manager they appointed.
Paul Griffiths
50 Posted 31/08/2026 at 08:52:20
Agree with Peter 48
Dean Johnson
51 Posted 31/08/2026 at 09:08:46
So it was an agency initiative then.

This is why we know nothing. All sorts of agencies work in the football space, all with a profit to make, not giving a shit about clubs or fans.

We can say we'll riot all we like, we are a capitalist's cash cow -- that will never change until we buy the cunts out. Even then, we'd all disagree and fight amongst ourselves about what makes a good player.

Our plight is one of insanity, played out in plain sight whilst others cash in.
Shame as we have started the season reasonably well...
Mark Steers
52 Posted 31/08/2026 at 09:30:35
If you want a wall building, you wouldn't get a joiner, would you, even though he might have some idea... That's what it feels like playing Garner, O'Brien, Rohl, or Iroegbunam at right-back.

Watching Rohl at Bournemouth on Saturday was painful... he had no idea where he was supposed to be. We were shouting to him "Merlin, come over here, ha ha!"

Any Premier League right-back is 100% better than that lot, I can tell you.
Andrew Merrick
53 Posted 31/08/2026 at 09:31:35
Wow Patric, you named this piece well, hearts and minds are really on show.

A good debate, by fans one and all. I've got time to listen to Mike, he may not sugar-coat his take on things, but he always speaks honestly and validates his opinion.

For me, the oustanding issue here is addressing Harrison Armstrong's contract: we've shown him the love and the trust, now let's treat him right and pay him what he is worth, or he will be gone next time around.
Duncan McDine
54 Posted 31/08/2026 at 09:33:03
If Armstrong starts scoring a goal every now and then, he could be our main man going forward for the next 10 years.

I hate to use Slippy-Me as an example, but he has that look about him -- drive, determination, endless energy, self-belief and most importantly, all the skills and a footballing brain to match. Add to that, he's a local lad who will definitely be a first team regular this season at just 19 years old.

I'm thankful that the collective voices of us fans, the manager and probably other influential characters within the club were loud enough to be heard by the anonymous owners across the pond. The next 36 hours or so will be crucial if they have any chance of getting us back on side.
Mark Steers
55 Posted 31/08/2026 at 09:48:39
Duncan 54.

I've watched Harrison Armstrong through the Academy and youth levels and he scored goals because he was like a man playing with boys -- different class.

But since he joined the senior ranks, he has scored 1 goal for Derby County on loan, and 1 goal for Preston on loan. But in 18 games for Everton, I don't think he has a shot on target --never mind scoring; something is amiss there.
John Collins
56 Posted 31/08/2026 at 09:48:44
Mike,

You getting into arguments over trivial stuff, who said this and who said that to each other etc. Deflection from your good self, Mike.

Simple question: Have TFG done all you assured us they would do, financially, to better this football club? No interest in how many carburettors they sell in the USA before you tell us again.
Jimmy Carr
57 Posted 31/08/2026 at 09:56:19
Mike Gaynes, I generally accept your ongoing defence of the Friedkins and appreciate the balance you offer on here. But not this time.

Stop digging. Our owners, or our CEO, or all of them, have made a cock up of monumental proportions. Performing a U-turn on the Armstrong deal does not redress the balance and make things magically go away.

The ongoing lack of communication further clouds the issues and leaves the fanbase looking for someone to blame, and your description of Armstrong as a fifth-choice midfielder is desperate.

TFG have lost massive amounts of credibility with the fans and nothing you say will change it. I doubt that even their own management team will be especially happy with their actions. Only some clear communication and a statement of intent could go some way to repair the damage.

If they remain in the shadows, never attending a game, never even meeting the manager -- never saying a word -- they will never regain the trust of the fans. Read the room.
Dave Abrahams
58 Posted 31/08/2026 at 10:03:55
Mike (24)

It's hard work trying to defend the indefensible but carry on trying and I know you won't give in.

I mean, describing Kenwright as "having a grand passion for Everton" proves that!
Jeff Armstrong
59 Posted 31/08/2026 at 10:11:21
So in 2 years, Tete, Grealish and probably Richarlison will all need replacing as they all hit 33....

Great recruitment that is from our crack team, looking for the young finished articles with sell-on value.... That policy didn't last long, did it!
Brian Harrison
60 Posted 31/08/2026 at 10:11:56
I have to say how Mike Gaynes can even try and defend his fellow Americans is beyond belief.

He says he was furious with the thought of selling Harrison but blames Armstrong's corporate team, but the fact is that Everton were negotiating the sale, so the owners and CEO were complicit in seeing this transfer through.

Mike then goes on to praise the Friedkins for facing down the Roma Ultras... surely any owner of a new business would do anything in their power to keep the customers onside?

My view of the Friedkins is they have amassed a fortune in dealing with cars and aeroplanes but sadly nothing that prepares them to run a Premier League or Serie A team.

They viewed Everton with their brilliant new stadium as a cash cow for non-footballing events, which they have already started doing with the Rugby League weekend and the England Rugby Union side playing here.

I would also suggest that all trust is lost by the supporters in both Friedkin and the board, our CEO, who did a couple of interviews last week extolling our magnificent youth system and even highlighted the progress of our own homegrown Harrison Armstrong -- and there he is a week or so later, trying to sell the kid.

As the fans at Bournemouth sang, you sell Armstrong and there will be riots. While, I don't condone any acts of violence if Friedkin thinks facing down the Roma Ultras was similar to having to face Evertonians, he certainly doesn't know what he is dealing with.

I don't think this is over by a long way and, while calling off the deal was the right thing to do, if Friedkin and Kinnear think this will placate Evertonians, they are sadly mistaken.
Dave Abrahams
63 Posted 31/08/2026 at 10:43:00
Peter (48),

Definitely keep Garner, even if it is to play right-back instead of the player who is supposedly on his way here.

As for the incoming Grealish and Richarlison, I hope it's not too late to give that another coat of looking over especially with the ridiculous prices quoted for Illi and the Brazilian -- not to mention Jack Grealish, who is well past his best.
Raymond Fox
64 Posted 31/08/2026 at 10:47:05
Well written Patric, you have summed the regrettable situation very well.

We have known or should have that TFG are only interested in the money side of the club, we are an investment, nothing more to them. Of course they want us to well because that will bring in more money, but it's a balancing act for them. The cost of buying players and contracts have gone through the roof which doesn't help when they are trying to make us profitable.

Will Moyes use Armstrong more because of fans support for him? I rather think he will. Harrison will have to play well though because there is plenty of competition for places in our midfield.
Scott Hamilton
65 Posted 31/08/2026 at 10:48:43
He's rightly come in for a lot of stick since last season's late season collapse, but I do feel for Moyes in all of this.

His grumpy demeanour so far this season now makes complete sense. He probably knew there was a good chance that our prize assets were going to be flogged and that key targets were rejecting our overtures. He was facing the very real prospect of managing a further depleted squad that was even lower in quality than 2025-26.

The Armstrong situation has given us two positives though:

1. We now know a little more about the mindset of the Friedkin Group.
2. They know a lot more about Evertonians.
David West
66 Posted 31/08/2026 at 11:12:47
Ask yourself where would Armstrong be now if the story hadn't broken before the game? If it was midweek and no game on? Probably having his medical now!

The visual anger from the fans at Bournemouth is all that stopped this going through, and the press jumping on the reaction.

Some say he's 4th-5th choice, but he's going to eclipse Hackney I'd say, be in front of Rohl and will establish himself as first choice by the end of the season. He's not surplus!!!
Stan Grace
68 Posted 31/08/2026 at 11:29:04
Although John's right (#56) that Mike and I shouldn't be arguing over trivial stuff, I was just trying to point out that Mike doesn't need to defend the Friedkins to the extent he is doing at the moment. Though he did make his anger clear about Harrisongate.

I actually believe that Mike is fundamentally right about the Friedkins in many ways:

They aren't interested in communicating directly.

They are determined to succeed (and will make mistakes along the way).

They want Everton to succeed both by winning a trophy and getting into European competition, but have no interest in a relationship with the club/fans.

They'll hire people who they think will get a job done at any specific time but are ready to replace those same people if need be.

They are improving the club's financial situation both now and for the future.

They are here for the long term.

Overall I'd much prefer these owners to Johnson, Kenwright and Moshiri. And I feel positive about the future of this club.

Oh, and football has always been about money, which is why we moved away from the Devil's playground in 1892.
Laurie Hartley
69 Posted 31/08/2026 at 11:34:29
I find this whole episode rather bizarre. My perspective:-

I think TFG are in it purely to make money. They appointed Kinnear as CEO to make sure they do.

When the offer to make £40M profit hit Kinnear's desk, he had no choice other than to put Freidkin in the picture despite probably having some misgivings. If he hadn't, he would have been given the bullet.

I feel quite certain that Friedkin did not hesitate to take the profit. So what changed?

The uproar from the supporters at Bournemouth and online. Moyes stating publicly after the fan protest “I am an Evertonian”. In other words "I agree with the fans"???
(Freidkin will have made a note of that despite Moyes' subsequent comments about sometimes hard decisions have to be made).

I am glad Armstrong is staying but I am completely at a loss to understand why Freidkin pulled out of this deal.
David West
70 Posted 31/08/2026 at 11:45:54
Laurie.

Shouldn't be asking why they pulled out?

Should be asking why is their judgement so way off the mark, that they didn't just bat the offer away, tell everyone he's not for sale, we want to sign him to a long term deal -- not sell him.

That's the worrying thing for me that this has shown. TFG's and Kinnear's judgement, they should have known it wouldn't be acceptable, they should have known his value to fans, not his value in £££s.
Christy Ring
71 Posted 31/08/2026 at 11:46:32
Harrison Armstrong has shown preseason and in our first couple of games that he's not 4th or 5th choice as Mike thinks, and will be dropped when Norgaard and Garner are back to full fitness. He's established himself and deserves to start on merit.

The whole climb down by TFG, who are a disgrace, was because of the backlash of the fans, who know how good he is, and even Moyes probably knows now, and who agreed with the supporters, that he has a gem on his hands.
Edward Rogers
72 Posted 31/08/2026 at 11:48:23
Derek @48 & Paul @50,

I agree, it's a solution, but not sure if Garner would want to play right-back. Might make him think about a move away??
Mark Steers
74 Posted 31/08/2026 at 12:19:14
Laurie @69,

I think you have a few things way wrong:

Firstly, every Premier League owner or chairman would've accepted £40M for a 19-year-old who has achieved nothing so far in football.

Secondly, Moyes is an Evertonian...??? Don't make me laugh! He's a dead man walking and clearly knows it. Reaching out to the fans he called a disgrace when he was at Man Utd, he is trying to play the game.

Finally, for all the bad feeling against TFG, I think we have our best team and squad for many a season. I was at Bournemouth when the fans stood up and sang their hearts out...

But don't tell me £40M is an offer that any owner would turn down. Come Wednesday, I believe TFG will have Everton in a better position to easily move into Europe. Bring on the Mancs!!
Steve Brown
75 Posted 31/08/2026 at 12:34:52
Bottom line is the last 72 hours have been a car crash for the reputation of TFG and Kinnear.

It has been a rush from all parties in the Everton hierarchy to remove their fingerprint from the decision to accept the bid for Armstrong. I haven't seen the like since Mr X agreed to sell Digne and sign Patterson and Mykolenko.

1.5 days to turn it around and restore some credibility.

I would start by dropping the Tete bid. It is embarrassing for the recruitment team to launch a 12-month search for a right-back and then sign a 30-year-old reserve from Fulham who has already knocked us back.
Dan Brierley
76 Posted 31/08/2026 at 12:44:12
I think this has been a good lesson for TFG on how to manage our club. They have obviously been very naive, and thought that £40M with a sell-on fee looked like good business on paper for Armstrong. Especially considering with Dewsbury-Hall, Norgaard and Garner fit, he isn't a starter yet and is also competing with Hackney.

If we look at that a bit, his natural position seems to be more of an advanced Number 8 than an out-and-out Number 10, so he's competing with Garner, Dewsbury-Hall and Hackney for now.

Norgaard is our only specialised Number 6 with Iroegbunam or Rohl as a backup; I don't see Armstrong playing that role.

So is Armstrong better than Dewsbury-Hall or Garner? Not from what we saw from last season -- both had arguably the best season of their careers.

Does he have the potential to be better? Definitely yes, at 19 he's better than either Garner or Dewsbury-Hall were at the same age by a long way. So it's a going to have to be a season of rotation between the four, which will be great to finally have some attacking options off the bench.

TFG have now learned a tough lesson from the manager and fans, but it does mean that there will already be a section of the fanbase that will never forgive them for this, no matter what happens.
Dale Self
77 Posted 31/08/2026 at 12:49:20
Duncan 54, that was a startling good comparison, it has me thinking.
Mike Gaynes
78 Posted 31/08/2026 at 15:50:52
Jonathan #37, I don't really disagree with anything you say there, except for the rather strange characterization of my "defense" of TFG.

36 hours ago when the deal was on the table I posted this:

I would consider it moronic stupidity in the extreme, not just for football and financial reasons but even more for the staggering imbecility of instantly and permanently antagonizing virtually 100% of their club's fanbase, as well as unforgiveably alienating most of their most valuable employees.

How anybody considers that a defense I don't know.

You are of course correct that TFG should have learned something about Evertonian culture by now, not to mention ACTUALLY MEETING THEIR MANAGER. I have no clue why they'd buy a club and keep so distant from it. Makes no sense to me. And they have certainly paid a price the past couple of days.

The only thing in your post I really question is your timeline, because it doesn't include the undoubtedly major role of Armstrong's new powerhouse agency. Forest's initial outreach would have been to them as well as the club, and they'd have been involved throughout that daisy chain of events.
Mike Gaynes
79 Posted 31/08/2026 at 15:52:39
Stan #68, see, we agree on all the important stuff!!

John #56, your pattern of asking the same question over and over again kinda reminds me of my little brother. When he was about 6. (Just kidding, mate. I love ya, you know that.)

This is essentially the same thing you asked at #25. But hey, the cut-and-paste function means I can deliver the same detailed reply I provided at #30, so I'm not really complaining.

WHAT TFG HAVE DONE FOR EVERTON:

- Bought the club out of financial desperation when actual (alleged) criminals were trying to buy it.
- Reduced the club's net debt by 57%, discharged all the toxic 777 loans and converted £451 million of Moshiri shareholder debt to equity.
- Secured new stadium financing and finished it on schedule.
- Secured new worldwide business partnerships with the likes of Budweiser and Pepsi.
- Ramped up club revenues 35% year-over-year.
- Authorized the complete revamp of the club's Academy system and hired a highly respected executive (Cox) to carry it out. (Check out the highlights of the U18s last two games. 11 goals.)
- Spent roughly £200 million (so far) on player signings.
- Acquired a data analytics company to bring the club up to speed on modern player assessment.
- Revamped the club's dysfunctional executive structure (a process obviously not finished yet).

Every one of these steps is directed towards success.

Now of course I understand that none of this is your focus. Your question, posed approximately 137 times previously, is whether TFG is spending EVERY PENNY THEY ARE ALLOWED TO SPEND UNDER SCR RULES to buy players, and when will they tell the world exactly what that ceiling is.

Edit for you, John: According to the Paul Quinn article posted elsewhere on TW, Everton is already above the SCR limit known as the Green Line for net spending, and selling Ndiaye is therefore a necessity to bring in any further players.
Stan Grace
80 Posted 31/08/2026 at 15:59:52
Mike #79,
Certainly do, though I'm getting the impression we're in a minority.
Mike Gaynes
81 Posted 31/08/2026 at 16:18:32
Always will be, Stan. First, they're Yanks. And second, they will never connect with the fans or meet the sentimental standards desired by traditional Blues -- they will never know-yer-'istory. Or care much about it.

We could be in a CL semifinal in five years and the majority of TW will still consider them American carpetbaggers interested only in cashing in on the club. So it goes.
Mark Murphy
82 Posted 31/08/2026 at 16:20:12
No Stan, you’re not.
This was the strangest match day morning in many years.
Firstly on the train in I read several comments that Armstrong had been sold, done deal, gone!
Then I overheard some other blues talking about it so joined them. They said it was done. David Ornstein had confirmed it, Moyes had t been consulted and was furious.
£40m
In the away pub (The Bell opposite pokedown station - excellent for future reference) a group of blues were already singing the Don’t sell Armstrong song and then we heard he was still in the team even though it was a done deal…
A couple of hours later - lots of loud renditions of the song - and we’re happy with a late point but still non the wiser.
Whats going on? The song was loudly repeated as the players went off and Harrison looked visibly moved. Btw, a rendition of the Ndiaye I’m in love song rang out and I saw Illy pause, look like he was going to turn round and acknowledge it but instead shrug and keep walking. His body language told me he’s off.
Noticeably there were absolutely no songs about Moyesy had a dream or any other in support of the manager as there were at the end of last season.
Mark Steers is right - the £40m deal made sense and would have been considered by any other board, but personally I’m glad it fell through (or did it?) the timing was weird though - why do that in the hours before a game?
Like Laurie though, I don't believe TFG have done a U-turn simply because of the fans reaction but I hope Harrison Armstrong gets a pay rise or he’ll be thinking “thanks a bunch guys!”
Ian Horan
83 Posted 31/08/2026 at 16:25:51
surely we should be discussing what we need and don't need as a squad as opposed to attacking each others views as this is a forum for all blues irrespective of our opinions.

Also I feel there maybe two issues here we are missing, Has Armstrong said not interested in the move and secondly Moyes is no Evertonian, he has that mutch creosalt on his arse from sitting on the fence on issues and his comment about supporters being right and should be listen to!! I don't believe he has had an epithany as he took no notice last season on team selection and 3 points from 21 !!!
Peter Mills
85 Posted 31/08/2026 at 16:57:26
Edward#72, you may be correct about Garner not wanting to play full back, but as a professional and an employee he ought to be prepared to adapt for the good of the team.

Ironically, had he played in that position in the second half of last season, and done well, his versatility would probably have clinched a World Cup place for him. And, given the way the tournament panned out for England, he would have had game time.
Mark Murphy
86 Posted 31/08/2026 at 17:06:27
Garners position for the successful England U21 side was right back, wasn’t it?
I mean permanent, not stop gap?
Rob Halligan
87 Posted 31/08/2026 at 17:14:29
Mark # 86. It was mate.

He played every game for the U21s at right-back, including the final, and I don't recall one squeak out of him complaining about it.
Christy Ring
88 Posted 31/08/2026 at 17:15:01
"Every Premier League owner or chairman would have accepted £40M for a 19-year-old who has achieved nothing so far in football"?

Well, the Forest chairman and manager Glasner wouldn't have accepted it, and they must have seen the potential, his skill and passing range, to bring him in as Anderson's replacement?
Nigel Scowen
89 Posted 31/08/2026 at 18:17:42
Like Laurie said I also found this whole business bizarre.

The most weird aspect for me though centred around HA salary and contract.

At what point do we say right you’ve broken into the first team now, we recognise your future potential so let’s sit down immediately as we need to start paying you a premier league wage and tying you down to a long term contract. I think we are all in agreement around the fact that HA has potential and I would guess that most of us have thought that for a good while now.

If this episode hadn’t have happened how long would we have waited before we reviewed this kids salary? Talking about asking for trouble, this could have easily been headed off earlier. If HA had been tied down to a 5 year contract on an appropriate salary in the close season then this would never have even happened.

That’s the most criminal aspect for me.

If TFG want to start making amends then get him on a 5 year contract with a proper Premier League salary as befits the lads potential worth immediately. Like tomorrow if not earlier.
Mark Steers
90 Posted 31/08/2026 at 19:11:46
Christy 88.

You are funny... passing range 90% sideways; yes, skill -- I've seen him live every game he's played and what skill are you talkiing about? Dribbling... well, he doesn't do that.

Harrison Armstrong is young and has potential -- just like a lot of Everton Academy players -- and I hope he comes through but don't give that rubbish he's worth £40M right now.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
91 Posted 31/08/2026 at 20:48:14
Mike 78, just to close the loop here. Part of what I was trying to get at was understanding what role Armstrong — or his agent — played in all this, and when they were involved, because as much as we don’t want to criticize the young man, on some level he was pushing for this or allowing it to proceed. So that was part of my inquiry to others about how these transactions go from proposals to signed. Do the agents contact clubs to gauge interest? Do the buying clubs have to get permission from the existing club to talk to the agent? All that matters a bit in this “fiasco.” And whatever the timeline, was it a ploy to get a better contract, to make more money, or to actually leave because he’s unhappy. All of that matters, too, when the dust settles.

As for my critique of your “defense,” I’m well aware that you regarded this decision as terrible. I still think you’re so wedded to defending TFG that you’re inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt even when they don’t deserve it. I’m glad you noted that their refusal to get to know their history and get engaged in any way with our club is completely foolish.

But I was reacting to this statement from you: “But in the end all they did was field an offer presented by Armstrong's powerhouse agents and then foolishly decline to instantly turn it down because, one assumes, they didn't understand Armstrong's meaning to a fan base that had tracked his growth since he was 5 years old.”

I don’t think that’s “all they did,” based on reports, and it’s an important distinction. All they did, it seems, is accept the offer and move it forward to completion. If it weren’t for having to complete a medical, it was as good as done. For me it matters, because it’s one thing to tell Kinnear, “this seems reasonable but we need to think about it,” and then ask some follow-up questions. It’s another to get to the point where it was done, before our incredible supporters intervened to — wait for hyperbole —possiblly significantly change the course of history of this club.

And it’s all down to them being completely out of touch and ignorant. So yes, you’ve always been right that they’re savvy businessmen who will financially right a sinking ship of a club. Whether they’ll learn our history to get things more right than wrong in the future is a story yet to be told.
Tony Abrahams
92 Posted 31/08/2026 at 21:01:22
Leaving the arguments to others (although I’m totally bemused how anyone could still try and defend TSF) I think Peter M, makes a very, very good point@48.

It is imperative that Armstrong and Hackney, both get a lot of game time, and for this to happen then it is absolutely imperative that Moyes, starts using more of his squad on a regular basis.

Since the season began I’ve watched Everton twice, with my opinion being that we have now got some very good players and we also seem to have a lot of spirit in the team.

My overall conclusion is that although Rohl, isn’t a right back, my view is that even if we signed the best right back in world football (whoever that might be) and asked him to start getting forward, then the “area between and behind the right sided centre back and the right fullback” is something that is really going to get exploited by the better teams.

The area between Tarkowski, and his fullback, has been getting protected because Jake O’Brien, has mostly played very defensively, so if we are going to put a more attacking player in this position, then I think we need more pace at the back?

Jonathan, I stopped reading this thread after Mike, posted that (about fans tracking Armstrong’s progress since he was five years of age) after accusing Patric, of hyperbole in the same post, because I was certain it was going to give me a headache, mate.

I definitely made the right choice, so hopefully our recruitment team can get a few things right in the next twenty four hours🤞
Andrew Merrick
93 Posted 31/08/2026 at 22:07:25
On a different note, big Nev is apparently unwell and had paused his social media.
Mark Murphy
94 Posted 31/08/2026 at 22:35:33
Nigel, the story doing the rounds on Saturday was that he asked Moyes for a raise and was told no.
Mark Murphy
95 Posted 31/08/2026 at 22:48:13
What’s the latest on Jake O’Brien?
In my opinion he’s been treated like shit by Moyes.

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