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There has been some mention made in the mailbag over the last few days about us signing young players and little else. That Sheppard kid from Shelbourne, that kid from Swindon Town and three youth players signing professional contracts. With only 15m to spend on transfers, in a summer supposedly awash with money, you would have to wonder about whether or not the possible stadium deal with Tesco's is putting more of a constraint on our ready cash than we first thought.

Our share of the cost at present on the Tescos deal is an estimated £25M to £30M. Once specific plans or proposals are released the actual figure could well be higher. As the plan or proposal is put into effect, and we start building, the figure could increase again as time goes on. Given how slow the whole process of settling on a plan has been to date, having to put money away until we know exactly what our share of any stadium cost would be could involve the next two or three transfer windows. We could possibly be looking at the paltry transfer fund we have now for some time to come.

Most of us would like to see a transfer kitty of £25M to £30M. Buying proven players with this money could mean increased revenue for higher league finishing, champion's league money, increased gate receipts and merchandising. We could then look at building our own ground. How long though would it take us with this approach to have enough ready cash or even financial muscle with the bank to pay for our own ground. In the mean time, West Ham and Man City get investors and new grounds with which to attract those same proven quality players. How much worth does that enlarged transfer fund have then?

I don't know what the answer is. I'm not happy with how the transfer window has gone to date either. I want to see big-name players come in. But I also want a decent ground for those players to play in. With our finances right now, I can't have both together. Time to make a choice I'm afraid.
Kieran Fitzgerald, Dublin     Posted 21/06/2007 at 19:28:45

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Alan Humphreys
1   Posted 21/06/2007 at 21:12:38

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It’s a tough call Kieran, I think we need only to look at Arsenal and their recent ground move and transfer activity to see the way we’re heading. Considering they would appear to be a far wealthier club than us, it doesn’t look like the (short term)future is going to be too bright.

You would have expected our neighbours over the park to have fallen into a similar trap, if it was not for their American cash cows.

But I won’t lose any sleep over it and, God knows, I wouldn’t expect the club to keep us informed, as that is quite clearly not their way of conducting business, we are afterall, sadly, an afterthought.

Derek Thomas
2   Posted 22/06/2007 at 06:23:11

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Players 1st, 2nd and last:There has got to be something decent to watch, where ever you watch it.
Asenal fell off their own high standards when Wenger’s cash was cut, but due to their ’safety line’ of class players already there the fall wasn’t that far.
If we ’fall off’ our own ’high’ standard(?)..how long will the safety line of our ’class players’ take to pull us up short??? I dread to think, thin as this ( thin Blue ) line is numbers wise.
And remember, Arsenal are the only club whose position ( consistant CL and in London for catchment ) to require them to keep up with the big boys. We are AT LEAST 5 Yrs off attaining that status and another couple of years off the top 2-3 consistantly to justify it. So whats the rush...Unless you know or need it to be different Billyboy!!...and thats the thrust of mine and a lot of others arguements... LACK OF IMFORMATION!!!
Steve Claringbold
3   Posted 22/06/2007 at 09:27:37

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I don’t understand though, if we are using our transfer kitty to fund the Tescodome then why the hell are we moving?

Surely it would be better to build the team up to a point where they could justify moving to a better stadium. Rather than playing in a brand spanking new stadium with the likes of Gary Naysmith and all the young lads. Because I guarantee if we knacker this season up, Arteta and a few others will not be here by the end of it.
Gavin Ramejkis
4   Posted 22/06/2007 at 12:30:30

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I have a growing concern that our purchasing of players looks to all intents and purposes to produce a team in four or five years time and not now; there are not many 16/17 year olds capable of walking straight into a premiership game. Expanding this you could surmise that the lion’s share of income would be to generate a new stadium as part of a five year business plan gambling that the existing squad with the most minimal additions/retentions can maintain our premiership status, I wouldn’t expect anything special - mid table would suffice with only fluke cup runs in between.

It smacks of conspiracy theory I know but it does match what little is coming from the club.
Mike Emm
5   Posted 22/06/2007 at 12:08:10

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I think there are two issues mixed together here;
1. Improving the quality of our youth squads to increase our likelihood of homegrown talent in the medium/long term (with the savings on "big transfers" downstream or revenue from selling on young "surplus/fringe" players that hopefuly result)

2. The apparent constraints on our current transfer budget percieved to be due to financing the new stadium.

To my mind, the signing of young players is a positive step, and more to do with positioning the club correctly in the longer term. Its becoming even more important as we see the price of "established" english players spiral. As such it should not be considered in the same breath as major signings to bolster the first team squad. The funds required to buy to amend for previous short sightedness in our youth policy are particularly apparent this year (jagielka and/or Barton at 4-5M+ a piece, when we already had them for next to nothing).

The debate over stadium funding vs player transfers is much more valid - however we as fans are only going to be able to judge that one when the transfer window shuts and we can determine how much we have spent, and whether the team can be considered to have been improved from this year.

Interesting to read in the news that Preston have accepted two offers for Nugent... wil one of them be from us? If so, will history judge it to be worth the money or another waste of our limited resource - given that we’ve got some exciting, CHEAP youngsters (and I mean Vaughan, Anichebe, not Sheppard - yet) genuinely challenging for his place?
Ian Kearney
6   Posted 22/06/2007 at 14:36:42

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interesting thread this one. its very hard for us as fans to judge how much of our transfer policy is Kirkby related. However, the prices for established players, particulary british ones seems to have gone up yet another level this summer. With the prices quoted for curtis davies and Darren Bent making Johnson and Lescott look more and more like an absolute steal. Perhaps the only way for a club of financial predicament to make progress is take a chance on the promising 16, 17 year olds out there, and in the meantime try and paper over the cracks with usefull utility men like Jagielkavand the odd gem like Arteta. i’m not going to compare this to a Wenger like tactic, as he always had the big bucks behind him when he needed it aswell. i’m not even going to say i like it, but while Bill 24/7 is in charge its hard to see us challenging via any other method

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