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Stuttgart 3 - 1 Everton
Everton conclude a two-game tour of Germany this afternoon against Vfb Stuttgart at the MHPArena.
Hayden Hackney starts but no chance of seeing new signing Christian Norgaard in action as he has failed to join the squad in Germany, where O'Brien and Branthwaite appear to be paired up together as centre-backs, with Rohl filling in again at right-back.
James Garner is still recovering from his 'minor' groin surgery.
First Half
Jarrad Branthwaite led the team out, and the home side got things going, keeping the ball away from Everton for the most part. After Branthwaite halted a very dangerous move, Beto saw a chance to battle his way forward and did well until the final touch which gave the ball to a defender.
O'Brien had to give away a corner, which almost led to a goal, the final shot missing the target from a narrow angle. Dibling had a little run forward with the ball but did not look at all comfortable.
Hackney tried an advanced forward pass that was never on and Stuttgart attacked again, but Everton were seeing more of the ball after 10 minutes.
Alcaraz got a gift ball from the Stuttgart goalie but Beto could not take advantage and shot well wide. There were some good turnovers in midfield but Everton then kept losing the ball.
Some much better passing got the ball forward, Hackney slicing his shot just the wrong side of the angle. But the goal Stuttgart had been threatening from the off came from Nartey who hammered into the roof of the Everton net over Travers.
Keane replaced Iroegbunam, who must have picked up an injury, ending the O'Brien - Branthwaite partnership in its infancy. Dibling ran onto the area and was fouled but nothing given, while Stuttgart ran up the other end but this time the shot was way off target.
Branthwaite forced a break-out from nothing, led by Alcaraz, Rohl's shot blocked. Beto tried a wild bicycle kick that did not come off. Alcaraz got free and put in a fast low cross that Beto just could not get to.
Dibling did a little better but his final cross needed pace and was too easily headed clear. Then there was a string of chances but no Everton player could apply the required finish.
Dibling again took the ball in but was a fraction slow crossing it and Alcaraz could not beat the defender with his shot. Another great ball from Rohl found Beto but it seems he crossed to Dibling at the far post rather than shooting, and Dibling had no chance reaching the cross.
A Travers clearance up to Beto saw a great header on to Rohl and he crossed back in perfectly for Beto, who kicked fresh air when it seemed easier to score! An incredible miss!
Another Everton attack saw Rohl cross to Dibling and his shot forced a low save at the post. Dibling's corner was delivered well but Beto headed over when it needed just a glance.
A rare Stuttgart attack ended with Mittelstadt smashing a rising shot over the bar from 25 yards out. Another chance developed but Keane was in the right place to block it behind.
A fantastic header from the corner was heading in the top corner but Travers leapt across and pawed it behind as the home side had a strong spell of pressure. More strong attacking play saw a low shot saved brilliantly by an outstretched foot from Travers.
Everton broke out again with Alcaraz feeding Rohl but his pass to Beto was way too heavy. A fantastic tackle by Armstrong stopped another attack. Rohl got forward down the right but could not find Beto with his cross.
Beto again got the break... but then put on the brakes and any chance was gone before the half-time whistle on a very lively and competitive game that Everton could easily be leading by a handful of goals if only our players could score.
Second Half
Alcaraz kicked off the second half with no Everton changes. But Stuttgart created the early chances, Travers making excellent stops to keep them out, saving an own-goal header from Alcaraz on the line off the ensuing corner!
Dibling was a little stronger in pushing the ball forward but Beto was sandwiched by two defenders. Keane was adjudged to have fouled, and Stuttgart came forward again. But Dibling again looked to beat his man and move forward, this time his lay-off was delayed too long.
Qucker play from Dibling saw a nice ball forward for Rohl to pick up but his cross came to nothing. Dibling was in to steal the ball and win a free-kick but the Blues played it backwards. Stuttgart drove in and fired a shot off the post with Travers beaten.
Another promising forward play ended abruptly with a dreadful cross from Mykolenko. A good long ball from Keane found Beto who did well until he laid it off to a defender.
Dibling did a little better to get forward and play in Armstrong but he could not win the corner. Some great quick passing from Stuttgart could only win a corner at the other end, heralding mass changes for them on the hour. They had to defend a couple of corners and the second saw a soft header with Travers stranded.
Ndiaye was much quicker releasing Barry down the right but he was stranded and lost the ball. Branthwaite appeared to grab his thigh in pain but it may have been his knee or lower, and he told the physios he was fine.
Some nice exchange passing got Everton forward, Beto flying over the goalkeeper and somehow winning an extremely soft penalty, which he converted (Beto pen 72').
Stuttgart looked all set to score with some clever play but Hackney hacked it away before more changes were made. But Stuttgart came again with some great passing and the final header clipped off the top of King's bar. King then had a routine save to make from a wide player.
The play was less coherent after all the late second-half changes, Stuttgart getting forward again but shooting over. But a poor Keane clearance came back with interest and the third goal was too easy.
A late late corner saw Keane's header saved on the line, Ndiaye's follow-up twice blocked, one possibly over the line, before the ball was cleared. Another late corner as the referee played a bizarre 10 minutes of added time, Dewsbury-Hall challenging for a header that bounced just wide.
The whistle finally went on a good workout for the Blues, although the glaring incompetence in front of goal looms large as the biggest problem going forward.
Everton: Travers (76' King), Röhl (64' Dewsbury-Hall), O'Brien (76' Patterson), Branthwaite (80' Tarkowski), Mykolenko (76' Aznou), Iroegbunam (18' Keane), Dibling (64' Ndiaye), Armstrong (89' Foster), Hackney, Alcaraz (64' George), Beto (64' Barry).
Subs not Used: G Pickford, Lukjanciks, McNeil, Graham, Campbell.
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Jack Convery
2 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:29:08
2 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:29:08
Do I see Jake alongside Branthwaite?
Wow!!!
Wow!!!
Ian Bennett
3 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:32:00
3 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:32:00
Midfield shoot-out - Hackney, Iroegbunam, Armstrong, Dibling and Alcaraz.
Chance to impress.
Chance to impress.
Raymond Fox
4 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:36:20
4 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:36:20
I suppose the result has some importance, we don't want to get tonked, but he won't pick Patterson at any price. I would have liked to have seen Aznou start.
It's far from our best side, so we will see how some of our younger players cope.
It's far from our best side, so we will see how some of our younger players cope.
Andy Peers
5 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:37:30
5 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:37:30
I live in USA and can't purchase the game from the site, any links?
Michael Kenrick
6 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:41:11
6 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:41:11
Strange that the site link currently yields this message: There are currently no events scheduled for live streaming.
Previously, the pre-match show has segued straight into match coverage but this looks different. We should know in a few minutes...
Oh, neva mind... my VPN had jumped over to The Netherlands. All good now.
Previously, the pre-match show has segued straight into match coverage but this looks different. We should know in a few minutes...
Oh, neva mind... my VPN had jumped over to The Netherlands. All good now.
Michael Kenrick
7 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:56:42
7 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:56:42
Branthwaite leads them out...
Future captain?
Future captain?
Christy Ring
8 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:10:07
8 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:10:07
Surprised and delighted to see Branthwaite and O'Brien playing together.
I have to eat humble pie, Mr Moyes.
I have to eat humble pie, Mr Moyes.
Kevin Molloy
9 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:13:42
9 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:13:42
I hate to say it, but this is all rather encouraging.
Paul Olsen
10 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:16:39
10 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:16:39
What Kevin? Their goal?
Kevin Molloy
11 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:22:36
11 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:22:36
Er, no.
Dibling... he looked like he knew what he was doing. Finally.
Dibling... he looked like he knew what he was doing. Finally.
Mick O\\\'Malley
12 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:23:35
12 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:23:35
Is this becoming a regular thing now, hydration breaks half way through?
Keith Harrison
13 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:30:23
13 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:30:23
Thank feck Beto is following Yakubu's suggestion not to score in friendlies!!!\
Jesus wept...
Jesus wept...
Alex Parr
14 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:30:25
14 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:30:25
Moyes reverting to type. Iroegbunam off, brings on Keane, and O'Brien is back out to right-back.
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
Mick O\\\'Malley
15 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:32:12
15 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:32:12
Ffs Beto awful
Christy Ring
16 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:34:31
16 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:34:31
Beto just missed a sitter, great cross by Rohl.
Looking at it again, he has two left feet, and just a tap-in.
Looking at it again, he has two left feet, and just a tap-in.
Keith Harrison
17 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:46:30
17 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:46:30
We need 36 0-0 draws this season, and hope three teams are more shit than us unless we sign a goalscorer.
Ian Wilkins
18 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:49:23
18 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:49:23
Played okayother than the finishing, which was awful.
Leave Dibling on, his best 45 so far. Alcaraz decent. Is Hackney playing?
We need two full-backs, we're getting skinned on both wings.
Leave Dibling on, his best 45 so far. Alcaraz decent. Is Hackney playing?
We need two full-backs, we're getting skinned on both wings.
Jay Harris
19 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:49:26
19 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:49:26
Tired after 40 minutes.
Mykolenko nowhere for their first goal.
Good build-up play especially from Armstrong, Alcaraz and Iroegbunam till he went off.
Encouraging performance from Dibling and Rohl but as usual anaemic in the final third with Beto in particular wasting opportunities a good striker would have scored 3.
Mykolenko nowhere for their first goal.
Good build-up play especially from Armstrong, Alcaraz and Iroegbunam till he went off.
Encouraging performance from Dibling and Rohl but as usual anaemic in the final third with Beto in particular wasting opportunities a good striker would have scored 3.
Michael Kenrick
20 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:50:48
20 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:50:48
That miss by Beto was just outstanding!
The only other player who could have avoided scoring in that situation is Barry.
The only other player who could have avoided scoring in that situation is Barry.
Christy Ring
21 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:51:23
21 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:51:23
Half-time: Stuttgart on top apart from Beto's horrible miss.
I don't understand why he brought Keane on for Iroegbunam. Why not bring on a midfielder, and give our two centre-backs a chance to develop???
I don't understand why he brought Keane on for Iroegbunam. Why not bring on a midfielder, and give our two centre-backs a chance to develop???
Ian Wilkins
22 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:51:49
22 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:51:49
Which one Michael? I’ve counted 4.
Gavin Johnson
23 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:51:59
23 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:51:59
I'm impressed with Dibling so far this game.
Rohl, Hackney, Armstrong and Alcaraz are also looking good.
But the less said about Beto, the better.
Rohl, Hackney, Armstrong and Alcaraz are also looking good.
But the less said about Beto, the better.
Michael Kenrick
24 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:53:00
24 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:53:00
Sorry but Dibling is either too slow in thought or just too slow in action.
It's like he's been sat on the bench, forced to watch Grealish for months, and told, "There, kid, play like that bloke and you'll go far!"
It's like he's been sat on the bench, forced to watch Grealish for months, and told, "There, kid, play like that bloke and you'll go far!"
Eric Haworth
25 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:54:08
25 Posted 08/08/2026 at 16:54:08
We should be more worried about left-back than right-back.
And Beto is a donkey.
And Beto is a donkey.
Steve Brown
26 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:05:23
26 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:05:23
Take off Legs Akimbo I and put on Legs Akimbo II.
Christy Ring
27 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:05:28
27 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:05:28
Travers made a couple of top class saves, and Dibling deserves more time.
No changes for us at the break.
No changes for us at the break.
Phil Wood
29 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:12:37
29 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:12:37
Defence a shambles.
Rohl must start in any position (bar goal). Hel looks like a Duracell bunny compared to the others.
Rohl must start in any position (bar goal). Hel looks like a Duracell bunny compared to the others.
Dave Lynch
30 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:19:58
30 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:19:58
Let's just face facts... we're shite.
Chris Breen
31 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:22:17
31 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:22:17
Why does Moyes mess around with his team all the time?
No reason to bring on Keane when a ready-made right-back is on the bench.
Square pegs in round holes again, when will he learn?
No reason to bring on Keane when a ready-made right-back is on the bench.
Square pegs in round holes again, when will he learn?
Steve Brown
32 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:23:21
32 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:23:21
FFS Beto coming off
Christy Ring
33 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:24:38
33 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:24:38
Beto's first touch is embarrassing.
George, Ndiaye and Barry on.
George, Ndiaye and Barry on.
Phil Wood
34 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:25:00
34 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:25:00
I think our midfield could be formidable if Moyes can ever work out our best combination.
Defence and attack up in the air...
Defence and attack up in the air...
Sean O\\\'Hanlon
35 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:28:16
35 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:28:16
Terrible defending for their header.
Jay Harris
36 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:28:27
36 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:28:27
Should have sacked our set piece coach instead of giving him a new contract.
Michael Keane sleeping again.
Michael Keane sleeping again.
Keith Harrison
37 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:28:36
37 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:28:36
Take Jarrad off. Don't risk a minor knock sidelining him.
Christy Ring
38 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:30:51
38 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:30:51
Shocking defending for 2nd goal, zonal marking doesn't work.
Keith Harrison
39 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:30:52
39 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:30:52
Penalty. Come on boys.
Keith Harrison
40 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:31:45
40 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:31:45
Barry scores.
The Yak will be disgusted.
The Yak will be disgusted.
Christy Ring
41 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:33:23
41 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:33:23
2-1 Barry pen!
Dean Johnson
42 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:34:24
42 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:34:24
Michael Keane will never work. I really struggle to support any team with him in it. Absolute liability -- and makes other nervous around him.
He's been our poster boy of shite for many a year, yet still, here he is, stinking the place out as usual. Not sure I'll be following anything this season due to being stuck in purgatory.
He's been our poster boy of shite for many a year, yet still, here he is, stinking the place out as usual. Not sure I'll be following anything this season due to being stuck in purgatory.
Phil Wood
43 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:35:00
43 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:35:00
Travers has had a fine game again but you never let the ball run out if in any doubt. No corner, no goal.
I cannot agree that 2-0 is not a fair score. They have looked like scoring every time they have the ball around the box.
Some reasonable performances but we cannot start the season playing reasonably well in midfield but handing goals away at the back and missing chances up front.
I know he scored but Barry should never be allowed near a penalty take.
I cannot agree that 2-0 is not a fair score. They have looked like scoring every time they have the ball around the box.
Some reasonable performances but we cannot start the season playing reasonably well in midfield but handing goals away at the back and missing chances up front.
I know he scored but Barry should never be allowed near a penalty take.
Christy Ring
44 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:46:20
44 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:46:20
Header off the crossbar, and Patterson's big weakness, ball watching instead of marking his man.
Keith Harrison
45 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:51:08
45 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:51:08
Gute Nacht
Christy Ring
46 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:52:44
46 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:52:44
3-1 poor pass from Keane
Phil Wood
47 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:55:43
47 Posted 08/08/2026 at 17:55:43
How can we spend the Summer strengthening the squad as we have but all in midfield? Haven't we watched for 2 seasons the same weaknesses and the penny still hasn't dropped.
A good run-out and good selection of pre-season matches but I just wish we could kick the recruiting team up the arse... or the people not backing them!
A good run-out and good selection of pre-season matches but I just wish we could kick the recruiting team up the arse... or the people not backing them!
Ian Wilkins
48 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:00:22
48 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:00:22
Whilst the first half was okay, the second was very poor.
Moyes played some for too long, they were dead on their feet. Those that came on were abject.
Sort out the bloody defending from corners. We have no decent full-backs on our books and plenty of bang-average players.
Moyes played some for too long, they were dead on their feet. Those that came on were abject.
Sort out the bloody defending from corners. We have no decent full-backs on our books and plenty of bang-average players.
Kevin Molloy
49 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:01:23
49 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:01:23
The positives: Rohl is staking a claim, he has to play. Dibling is showing real potential at last.
Barry showing quality touches. And Jarrad... we just have to keep him fit.
The goal. A perfect little ball from Dewsbury-Hall, and brilliant from Barry to get ahead of the keeper.
The negatives: what happens to us at half time? How many shoddy second halves have we had to watch in the last year? This has to change.
Not sure if it's the opposing manager getting to grips with our system, or a failure to inspire in the team talk, but something's not right.
Tarkowski and Keane look beyond their sell-by dates. And given Jarrad's fitness, we are skating on very thin ice.
We've got no decent full-backs, amazingly, 2 weeks from the start of the season. Which just feels like negligence.
Barry showing quality touches. And Jarrad... we just have to keep him fit.
The goal. A perfect little ball from Dewsbury-Hall, and brilliant from Barry to get ahead of the keeper.
The negatives: what happens to us at half time? How many shoddy second halves have we had to watch in the last year? This has to change.
Not sure if it's the opposing manager getting to grips with our system, or a failure to inspire in the team talk, but something's not right.
Tarkowski and Keane look beyond their sell-by dates. And given Jarrad's fitness, we are skating on very thin ice.
We've got no decent full-backs, amazingly, 2 weeks from the start of the season. Which just feels like negligence.
Martin Berry
50 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:06:01
50 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:06:01
A good work out for Everton and shows what they will be up against if or when we get into Europe.
Stuttgart are a class act, passed it very well and finished 4th in the Bundesliga. With this in mind I did not expect too much and every game sharpens the team.
Stuttgart are a class act, passed it very well and finished 4th in the Bundesliga. With this in mind I did not expect too much and every game sharpens the team.
Charles Brewer
51 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:07:10
51 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:07:10
The difference between Beto and Barry?
Beto chases stuff and misses absolute sitters.
Barry doesn't bother chasing, so he doesn't miss sitters.
Beto chases stuff and misses absolute sitters.
Barry doesn't bother chasing, so he doesn't miss sitters.
Ashley Roberts
52 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:10:27
52 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:10:27
It seems as though this was just a case of getting some fitness minutes for everyone with no real plan as to how the team should be set up for the Palace game.
From reading the report, we have the same old issues in that the strikers couldn't hit a barn door from ten paces and the full-backs are woeful.
I doubt whether this is going to be sorted anytime soon. Is this because we just don't have the money to buy anybody decent???
From reading the report, we have the same old issues in that the strikers couldn't hit a barn door from ten paces and the full-backs are woeful.
I doubt whether this is going to be sorted anytime soon. Is this because we just don't have the money to buy anybody decent???
David Connor
53 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:12:04
53 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:12:04
Decent workout against a pretty decent team.
Dibling at last showing promise. Rohl continuing to impress. Travers a good back-up keeper. Barry and Beto, as we all know, are absolute dogshit.
Right-back, left-back and a half-decent striker please... Preferably this season please...
Dibling at last showing promise. Rohl continuing to impress. Travers a good back-up keeper. Barry and Beto, as we all know, are absolute dogshit.
Right-back, left-back and a half-decent striker please... Preferably this season please...
David West
54 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:14:03
54 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:14:03
Didn't manage to watch the game. Results not really important, I'm more interested in individual performances.
From what I've, read seems like Dibling played well?
How about Hackney?
From what I've, read seems like Dibling played well?
How about Hackney?
Geoff Trenner
55 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:22:11
55 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:22:11
David,
Hackney was largely anonymous. Tried to break forward a couple of times but lacks pace. Bit of a donkey from what I saw today.
Hackney was largely anonymous. Tried to break forward a couple of times but lacks pace. Bit of a donkey from what I saw today.
Martin Mulrooney
56 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:25:09
56 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:25:09
Dibling did okay at times, bested his man a good few times but still seems to make poor or slow decisions and loses the ball too easily, too often -- and Moyes won't tolerate that.
We look more threatening with Beto due to his power, pace and direct running; we create more chances with him on the pitch but he should have had at least 2 or 3 goals. He missed some glaring opportunities and had a poor touch just as he bundled his way past his marker.
Barry might have a better touch but we seem to lose any impetus and threat once he replaces Beto. Alcaraz was having a decent game on the left out of position and looked pretty dangerous. Mykolenko was awful, his delivery was abysmal.
We look more threatening with Beto due to his power, pace and direct running; we create more chances with him on the pitch but he should have had at least 2 or 3 goals. He missed some glaring opportunities and had a poor touch just as he bundled his way past his marker.
Barry might have a better touch but we seem to lose any impetus and threat once he replaces Beto. Alcaraz was having a decent game on the left out of position and looked pretty dangerous. Mykolenko was awful, his delivery was abysmal.
Jay Harris
57 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:30:34
57 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:30:34
Second half summed up the collapse at the end of last season. Some players couldn't be arsed... and as for that set-piece coach. How can we give headers away with O'Brien, Keane and Tarkowski there? The answer may be in 2 of those 3 and poo defensive coaching.
Also, I'm worried that Hayden Hackney may struggle to get up to Premier League pace.
Last point: For fuck's sake, Everton -- get a right-back and a goalscorer ASAP and stop the goalkeepers kicking every ball long. Beto and Barry don't even win 50% of their headers.
Also, I'm worried that Hayden Hackney may struggle to get up to Premier League pace.
Last point: For fuck's sake, Everton -- get a right-back and a goalscorer ASAP and stop the goalkeepers kicking every ball long. Beto and Barry don't even win 50% of their headers.
Jay Harris
58 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:38:06
58 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:38:06
First half: good link-up play with Armstrong, Dibling, Alcaraz and Rohl playing well.
Armstrong was MotM for me. Rohl and Armstrong have to be a shoo-in until Hackney gets up to pace.
Armstrong was MotM for me. Rohl and Armstrong have to be a shoo-in until Hackney gets up to pace.
George Cumiskey
59 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:40:11
59 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:40:11
Jay,
Alcaraz was MotM by a country mile.
Alcaraz was MotM by a country mile.
Christy Ring
60 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:48:46
60 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:48:46
I thought Barry was an upgrade on Beto, whose first touch is still awful, and to miss the ball two yards out was shocking.
We need two new fullbacks, totally obvious today, but a right-back is a must. I'm still mystified why he brought on Keane for Iroegbunam and moved O'Brien... typical Moyes.
We need two new fullbacks, totally obvious today, but a right-back is a must. I'm still mystified why he brought on Keane for Iroegbunam and moved O'Brien... typical Moyes.
Jeff Armstrong
61 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:49:35
61 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:49:35
Negatives: zonal marking, still doesn't work after 1.5 years. Try man-for-man marking Moyes, you've got the personal, use them correctly. Mykolenko shite as ever... Beto, ditto
Positives: Dibling, Armstrong, Rohl, Travers.
Positives: Dibling, Armstrong, Rohl, Travers.
Soren Moyer
62 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:50:52
62 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:50:52
#Michael, 20,
Lol. That's the painful truth!!!
Lol. That's the painful truth!!!
Ajay Gopal
63 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:52:10
63 Posted 08/08/2026 at 18:52:10
I didn't watch the game, but based on MK's commentary and the comments that followed:
1. Rohl is progressing well
2. Barry may come good if he is given good service
3. This may be the season that Dibling breaks out
4. Our defence needs major surgery -- the right-back of course, but also a centre-back (at least on loan).
And how I wish we could have a decent, modern manager instead of old Davey. Eddie Howe would do a decent job with this squad.
1. Rohl is progressing well
2. Barry may come good if he is given good service
3. This may be the season that Dibling breaks out
4. Our defence needs major surgery -- the right-back of course, but also a centre-back (at least on loan).
And how I wish we could have a decent, modern manager instead of old Davey. Eddie Howe would do a decent job with this squad.
Jack Convery
64 Posted 08/08/2026 at 19:49:10
64 Posted 08/08/2026 at 19:49:10
Stop worrying...
Jacob Murphy will arrive soon.
Jacob Murphy will arrive soon.
Allan Board
65 Posted 08/08/2026 at 20:18:15
65 Posted 08/08/2026 at 20:18:15
Same shit, different season.
Moyes masterclass -- when is the penny going to drop? He hasn't a clue what to do offensively and will keep playing tossers like Keane.
Moyes masterclass -- when is the penny going to drop? He hasn't a clue what to do offensively and will keep playing tossers like Keane.
Si Cooper
66 Posted 08/08/2026 at 20:21:34
66 Posted 08/08/2026 at 20:21:34
Christy (60),
It was hard to tell but it's possible that defenders got vital touches (or at least looked like they would) on the ball for both of the low crosses where Beto seemed to be odds-on to convert. He was, at least, working hard to get into the right positions to benefit.
Overall, I was disappointed today with how little sustained pressure we could exert on Stuttgart. Far too often, one of their defenders or midfielders just put in a minor body swerve and strode clear of any press. Meanwhile, we only seemed capable of playing it out of defence via ‘threading the needle' passing which was a very hit-or-miss strategy.
To me, we still look overly reliant on a few truly creative players on the pitch at the same time. Only having those specialist overlapping fullbacks will allow us to create enough space in the middle of the park for the likes of Ndiaye, Alcaraz and Dewsbury-Hall to routinely exploit rather than ultimately ending up in ‘blind alleys' 90% of the time.
It was hard to tell but it's possible that defenders got vital touches (or at least looked like they would) on the ball for both of the low crosses where Beto seemed to be odds-on to convert. He was, at least, working hard to get into the right positions to benefit.
Overall, I was disappointed today with how little sustained pressure we could exert on Stuttgart. Far too often, one of their defenders or midfielders just put in a minor body swerve and strode clear of any press. Meanwhile, we only seemed capable of playing it out of defence via ‘threading the needle' passing which was a very hit-or-miss strategy.
To me, we still look overly reliant on a few truly creative players on the pitch at the same time. Only having those specialist overlapping fullbacks will allow us to create enough space in the middle of the park for the likes of Ndiaye, Alcaraz and Dewsbury-Hall to routinely exploit rather than ultimately ending up in ‘blind alleys' 90% of the time.
Kevin Molloy
67 Posted 08/08/2026 at 20:55:34
67 Posted 08/08/2026 at 20:55:34
We had none of our defensive midfielders out there, Si.
Iroegbunam, Garner, Norgaard... so it's not surprising we were easy to cut through.
Iroegbunam, Garner, Norgaard... so it's not surprising we were easy to cut through.
Mark Murphy
68 Posted 08/08/2026 at 20:58:47
68 Posted 08/08/2026 at 20:58:47
I watched the game.
I'm not saying we should sign him but, for example, if Callum Wilson had played instead of Beto, we'd be 3-1 up at half-time.
I'm not saying we should sign him but, for example, if Callum Wilson had played instead of Beto, we'd be 3-1 up at half-time.
Bobby Mallon
69 Posted 08/08/2026 at 21:05:27
69 Posted 08/08/2026 at 21:05:27
Mark Murphy, well said.
Paul Hewitt
70 Posted 08/08/2026 at 21:19:23
70 Posted 08/08/2026 at 21:19:23
Mark.
If I'd have been playing, we would have been 3-1 up at half-time!
If I'd have been playing, we would have been 3-1 up at half-time!
Eric Haworth
71 Posted 08/08/2026 at 21:56:47
71 Posted 08/08/2026 at 21:56:47
Perhaps I'm missing something, not being a multi-millionaire football coach or manager, but in my very simple world, calling someone a “striker” means absolutely nothing unless they're actually reasonably good footballers who have the ability to score goals on a reasonably regular basis; with the best will in the world, Beto and Barry are neither!
So, unless we pay a king's ransom to purchase one of these proven “strikers”, surely it would make more sense simply picking our best players, who can at least kick a ball in the direction of the goal and turn a ball across the 6-yard box into an empty net?
It's not Astrophysics, and not as if we haven't done this previously with what people in modern parlance call a “false nine”. Because we have the likes of Ndiaye, Dewsbury-Hall, Garner, Röhl, Hackney, George, etc who're already one up on Beto and Barry, as they're reasonably good footballers, plus they can all shoot.
So let's play them in a formation that allows them freedom to be in and around the box more frequently, and dispense with these two duff “strikers”?
So, unless we pay a king's ransom to purchase one of these proven “strikers”, surely it would make more sense simply picking our best players, who can at least kick a ball in the direction of the goal and turn a ball across the 6-yard box into an empty net?
It's not Astrophysics, and not as if we haven't done this previously with what people in modern parlance call a “false nine”. Because we have the likes of Ndiaye, Dewsbury-Hall, Garner, Röhl, Hackney, George, etc who're already one up on Beto and Barry, as they're reasonably good footballers, plus they can all shoot.
So let's play them in a formation that allows them freedom to be in and around the box more frequently, and dispense with these two duff “strikers”?
Jeff Spiers
72 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:14:06
72 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:14:06
Eric. Too right!!
Gavin Johnson
73 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:16:53
73 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:16:53
I watched some of the Leeds friendly before our fixture and it struck me after watching Calvert-Lewin's opening goal from a low cross, and then our own Beto missing several sitters from crosses, that we do miss this fully fit Calvert-Lewin.
Si Cooper
74 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:22:26
74 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:22:26
Kevin (67), still far too easy in my opinion. It's not just defensive mids who are allowed to tackle.
I actually thought we really missed Merlin Rohl when he went off and Harrison Armstrong did little wrong as well.
Mark (68), we had a very exciting 15-minute purple patch but I don't think we deserved to win that game overall.
I actually thought we really missed Merlin Rohl when he went off and Harrison Armstrong did little wrong as well.
Mark (68), we had a very exciting 15-minute purple patch but I don't think we deserved to win that game overall.
Phil Wood
75 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:34:36
75 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:34:36
I think Rohl is a massive plus for next season.
He must play in some capacity.
He must play in some capacity.
Paul Griffiths
76 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:39:54
76 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:39:54
Completely agree, Gavin (73).
Two weeks until the big kick-off and these two are still our first-pick strikers.
That is a shocking indictment of our crack recruiters. They have to bring at least one new striker in, and then there are the pressing issues at ...........
Two weeks until the big kick-off and these two are still our first-pick strikers.
That is a shocking indictment of our crack recruiters. They have to bring at least one new striker in, and then there are the pressing issues at ...........
Phillip Warrington
77 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:39:55
77 Posted 08/08/2026 at 22:39:55
Another long season, with the ridiculous problems of the last two seasons: no decent full-backs, and even more ridiculous imposters as forwards.
Rohl, Hackney, Armstrong and Alcaraz are workmanlike but are not going to hurt any of the Top 10 teams with their flair or creativity. That's why not having Grealish and Ndiaye in the team will mean fighting relegation... or at best, a 12th to 17th finish.
Rohl, Hackney, Armstrong and Alcaraz are workmanlike but are not going to hurt any of the Top 10 teams with their flair or creativity. That's why not having Grealish and Ndiaye in the team will mean fighting relegation... or at best, a 12th to 17th finish.
Jimmy Hardacre
78 Posted 08/08/2026 at 23:00:57
78 Posted 08/08/2026 at 23:00:57
Beto and Barry are just clown forwards... my 7-a-side team had better finishers. When are we going to tell soft arse Moyes he is wrong? -- These two are shite and we need a proper striker.
The lads can run around all they want but no end product means a full season of stugglers. Wake up, soft lad, and understand, if there is nothing up front, all the wingers in the world will not help.
Project strickers? I have never hesrd so much shite in my life!
The lads can run around all they want but no end product means a full season of stugglers. Wake up, soft lad, and understand, if there is nothing up front, all the wingers in the world will not help.
Project strickers? I have never hesrd so much shite in my life!
John Davies
79 Posted 08/08/2026 at 23:55:35
79 Posted 08/08/2026 at 23:55:35
We can't and won't score goals this season and Dino Dave (who used to be a defender?) is clearly incapable of coaching how to defend set pieces and crosses.
Two full-backs, another centre-back and two forwards needed. Not going to happen, though, is it? Looks like another painful slog this season with us finishing 13th in the table. Groundhog Day.
Two full-backs, another centre-back and two forwards needed. Not going to happen, though, is it? Looks like another painful slog this season with us finishing 13th in the table. Groundhog Day.
Bill Gall
80 Posted 08/08/2026 at 00:24:59
80 Posted 08/08/2026 at 00:24:59
To call Betto and Barry strikers is an insult to a decent goal scorer. I understand that this is a difficult position to play but at least you should be able to control a ball without tripping over.
This game once more showed why we struggle in the goal scoring position as we have quality in the midfield and on the wings but finding someone to complement their play is difficult with #9s that seem, as they say, to have two left feet.
Surely we should be looking for and paying someone who is aware of where the goal is as they spend enough time in front of it. It is great having Englands #1 goalkeeper but, for any success in the Premier League, you need points and someone to earn them by helping their team score.
This game once more showed why we struggle in the goal scoring position as we have quality in the midfield and on the wings but finding someone to complement their play is difficult with #9s that seem, as they say, to have two left feet.
Surely we should be looking for and paying someone who is aware of where the goal is as they spend enough time in front of it. It is great having Englands #1 goalkeeper but, for any success in the Premier League, you need points and someone to earn them by helping their team score.
Sean Kearns
81 Posted 08/08/2026 at 00:39:59
81 Posted 08/08/2026 at 00:39:59
Any half-decent striker absolutely puts these two buffoons to shame! Even Delap... the lad would be head and shoulders above them but I would take anyone.
Beto missing that chance today is criminal and will cost us points in the league or a place in a cup! And he is the better of the two!
Barry does sweet fuck all, zero effort! Thierno Barry is the complete opposite of what we want to see as Everton fans and he is an insult to our values, history and character.
It reads in giant letters at the gym in our training ground “maximum effort is the minimum requirement”. So why the fuck is this waste of space playing for us!!! We want our Ritchie back!!! He would put these two fools to fucking shame.
I've never hated any Everton player more than I hate Thierno Barry. Fuck him!!! I hope he sees this. Clown….
Neither of them even have to play, so why do they?!?! Play Alcaraz up front or Ndiaye, for fuck's sake. Why do we keep playing any of those two fools?? It's the definition of insanity!
Also, how mad is it that we start Rohl at right-back, then move Jake over, before bringing on our only recognized right back as the third fucking option!!!
All this talk about us not having a right-back for years is insanity because we have an international right-back fit and available every game!!! What is going on, people!!! We need to demand answers!!!
Do any of us even get any joy from following the mighty blues anymore? Even when we manage to win, it's shite. Fuck this!!
Beto missing that chance today is criminal and will cost us points in the league or a place in a cup! And he is the better of the two!
Barry does sweet fuck all, zero effort! Thierno Barry is the complete opposite of what we want to see as Everton fans and he is an insult to our values, history and character.
It reads in giant letters at the gym in our training ground “maximum effort is the minimum requirement”. So why the fuck is this waste of space playing for us!!! We want our Ritchie back!!! He would put these two fools to fucking shame.
I've never hated any Everton player more than I hate Thierno Barry. Fuck him!!! I hope he sees this. Clown….
Neither of them even have to play, so why do they?!?! Play Alcaraz up front or Ndiaye, for fuck's sake. Why do we keep playing any of those two fools?? It's the definition of insanity!
Also, how mad is it that we start Rohl at right-back, then move Jake over, before bringing on our only recognized right back as the third fucking option!!!
All this talk about us not having a right-back for years is insanity because we have an international right-back fit and available every game!!! What is going on, people!!! We need to demand answers!!!
Do any of us even get any joy from following the mighty blues anymore? Even when we manage to win, it's shite. Fuck this!!
Steve Brown
82 Posted 09/08/2026 at 02:14:17
82 Posted 09/08/2026 at 02:14:17
Dibling, Alcaraz, Armstrong and Branthwaite all bright. Hackney average but will improve.
Relegation relics like Tarkowski, Mykolenko simply not good enough.
Beto? Replay his highlights with the Benny Hill theme tune and it will make more sense. He was so bad that I was almost pleased to see Barry. Until he touched the ball.
Relegation relics like Tarkowski, Mykolenko simply not good enough.
Beto? Replay his highlights with the Benny Hill theme tune and it will make more sense. He was so bad that I was almost pleased to see Barry. Until he touched the ball.
Bill Gall
83 Posted 09/08/2026 at 02:51:23
83 Posted 09/08/2026 at 02:51:23
Funny thing is, if you missed the game and wanted to watch a replay, you have to pay for the privilege of seeing them lose, with the only benefits seeing what the majority of corresponding supporters have written, of how poor our supposed strikers are.
Disappointed that they lost -- but I doubt if I am going to pay to see them lose a supposed friendly.
Disappointed that they lost -- but I doubt if I am going to pay to see them lose a supposed friendly.
Mike Gaynes
84 Posted 09/08/2026 at 03:01:19
84 Posted 09/08/2026 at 03:01:19
Here is a frankly American-partisan suggestion for striker: Ricardo Pepi of PSV and the USA. His long-assumed transfer to Fulham has fallen through now for the second time, and I think we should reach out.
He's the exact opposite of Beto and Barry – no outstanding height or pace, but terrific natural goalscoring instincts. He gets into the right position, makes a silky first touch, and finishes his chances every time.
Even in the easier Dutch league, a goal every 78 minutes over two seasons is outstanding. And because of that first touch, he can do the job Moyes needs from a target man – wins the ball in the air and lays it off perfectly.
Oh, and by the way, his resume includes a gamewinning goal and assist against Liverpool in the Champions League last year. So he knows how to shred the shite.
He's the exact opposite of Beto and Barry – no outstanding height or pace, but terrific natural goalscoring instincts. He gets into the right position, makes a silky first touch, and finishes his chances every time.
Even in the easier Dutch league, a goal every 78 minutes over two seasons is outstanding. And because of that first touch, he can do the job Moyes needs from a target man – wins the ball in the air and lays it off perfectly.
Oh, and by the way, his resume includes a gamewinning goal and assist against Liverpool in the Champions League last year. So he knows how to shred the shite.
Mike Gaynes
85 Posted 09/08/2026 at 03:22:31
85 Posted 09/08/2026 at 03:22:31
Sean #81, would that "international right-back fit and available every game" be the same one who lost his position to Ben Godfrey?
Malcolm Kitchen
86 Posted 09/08/2026 at 04:20:42
86 Posted 09/08/2026 at 04:20:42
Hi, Mike (84) your dead right about Pepi, I wanted him 12 months ago but we signed Pele instead... sorry, Barry!
I said a month ago Everton are stupid, sounds a bit childish, But they are! Square pegs round holes, we still need a right-back and a striker! Are they blind or just incompetent?
Moyes has to be told of his short-comings, otherwise this will get worse! He doesn't read TW or Facebook EFC pages, so a letter is on its way! I've written to him before and got a reply in about 2008!
If I can make a difference great, if he chucks it in the bin, that's his lookout!!! Have a good week, everyone! 😀🌞
I said a month ago Everton are stupid, sounds a bit childish, But they are! Square pegs round holes, we still need a right-back and a striker! Are they blind or just incompetent?
Moyes has to be told of his short-comings, otherwise this will get worse! He doesn't read TW or Facebook EFC pages, so a letter is on its way! I've written to him before and got a reply in about 2008!
If I can make a difference great, if he chucks it in the bin, that's his lookout!!! Have a good week, everyone! 😀🌞
Jim Bennings
87 Posted 09/08/2026 at 06:16:59
87 Posted 09/08/2026 at 06:16:59
Two weeks to the new season, we still haven't signed a proper right-back despite acknowledging that we needed to replace Seamus Coleman in 2019 with the signing of Sidibe, it's now past the point of being a comedy sketch.
And we are still sitting here with a Rafael Benitez signing, our set-in-stone left-back, despite him being bang average and, in a league all about pace and dynamism, he is not fit for purpose. Yes, I'm talking about Mykolenko.
Going into the new season with still the same two limited strikers and no other serious option. We are a club that just sits drowning in mediocrity and status quo.
And we are still sitting here with a Rafael Benitez signing, our set-in-stone left-back, despite him being bang average and, in a league all about pace and dynamism, he is not fit for purpose. Yes, I'm talking about Mykolenko.
Going into the new season with still the same two limited strikers and no other serious option. We are a club that just sits drowning in mediocrity and status quo.
Mick O\\\'Malley
88 Posted 09/08/2026 at 07:12:08
88 Posted 09/08/2026 at 07:12:08
Sean, are you still banging that Delap drum? No thanks... he's fucking hopeless, a battering ram with the touch of an elephant, no better than what we've got.
Barry has to start for me, he is better than Beto, that was cringeworthy that miss right in front of the goal. I'm honestly getting to the stage now where I don't give a shit anymore. I despise Moyes,
The right-back situation is farcical, playing players out of position while we hunt around for years on end... Thank fuck the NFL starts next month, I'll be watching that instead.
Barry has to start for me, he is better than Beto, that was cringeworthy that miss right in front of the goal. I'm honestly getting to the stage now where I don't give a shit anymore. I despise Moyes,
The right-back situation is farcical, playing players out of position while we hunt around for years on end... Thank fuck the NFL starts next month, I'll be watching that instead.
Jeff Armstrong
89 Posted 09/08/2026 at 07:27:09
89 Posted 09/08/2026 at 07:27:09
I wonder if Rohl could play up front?
He does okay everywhere else, and he's got pace😉
He does okay everywhere else, and he's got pace😉
Kunal Desai
90 Posted 09/08/2026 at 07:34:43
90 Posted 09/08/2026 at 07:34:43
Two-summer window = Two summers of stability and midtable. 13th or 14th at best.
Best to just switch off for another season. We'll be out of the cups early. Only thing that really changes is that we all get another year older without witnessing any silverware.
What we as fans would like to see and what this club sees as improvement are on totally different levels.
Best to just switch off for another season. We'll be out of the cups early. Only thing that really changes is that we all get another year older without witnessing any silverware.
What we as fans would like to see and what this club sees as improvement are on totally different levels.
Tony Hughes
91 Posted 09/08/2026 at 08:39:34
91 Posted 09/08/2026 at 08:39:34
13 days to the start of the season and the squad is in a weaker state than last season. There needs to be three or four additions in the next two weeks.
Who have this crack recruitment team actually uncovered and scouted? A run-of-the-mill full-back in the Scottish Premiership and Christian Norgaard.
They've got the Panini sticker book out...
Who have this crack recruitment team actually uncovered and scouted? A run-of-the-mill full-back in the Scottish Premiership and Christian Norgaard.
They've got the Panini sticker book out...
Andrew Clare
92 Posted 09/08/2026 at 08:57:15
92 Posted 09/08/2026 at 08:57:15
Every new season we have the same scenario - poor results in warm up games and a failure to have new signings bedding in pre-season.
Another dire season will soon be upon us totally due to our beloved club being run by a bunch of clueless clowns.
.
Another dire season will soon be upon us totally due to our beloved club being run by a bunch of clueless clowns.
.
Tommy Carter
93 Posted 09/08/2026 at 09:04:44
93 Posted 09/08/2026 at 09:04:44
Jim @87,
Seamus snapped his leg badly nearly 10 years ago. Since then, we have repeatedly neglected strengthening this position and I have no idea why. We had a 39-year-old winger playing there recently, and since then, a 6'-6" centre-back.
Patterson who is a right-back should be playing there if fit. Round pegs in round holes...
Seamus snapped his leg badly nearly 10 years ago. Since then, we have repeatedly neglected strengthening this position and I have no idea why. We had a 39-year-old winger playing there recently, and since then, a 6'-6" centre-back.
Patterson who is a right-back should be playing there if fit. Round pegs in round holes...
Kunal Desai
94 Posted 09/08/2026 at 09:30:59
94 Posted 09/08/2026 at 09:30:59
On a seperate note, anyone see those pictures of how dilapidated Goodison looked yesterday?
Another masterclass by TFG to let it rot away.
Another masterclass by TFG to let it rot away.
Billy Bradshaw
95 Posted 09/08/2026 at 09:43:00
95 Posted 09/08/2026 at 09:43:00
Kunal @ 94, not just Goodison...
I've never felt so down about all things Everton than I do at the moment.
I've never felt so down about all things Everton than I do at the moment.
Paul Griffiths
96 Posted 09/08/2026 at 09:51:06
96 Posted 09/08/2026 at 09:51:06
I feel the same, Billy @95.
First match in 1975 and never felt so low. Moyes... But it's mainly TFG and the lack of cheer and hope. They have done nothing on the pitch to alleviate this so far.
They really had fuck all to do with Hill Dickinson Stadium, our best moment since 1995. TFG and their crack recruitment team pitch-wise depress me. But, hopefully, we will have things to cheer as the season starts and the window closes.
But, I have never ever felt so low as I do now as TFG's second full season is about to start.
I really don't care what anyone else says. Whether it's financial stability or be patient for 4/5 years. This minute, right now, TFG and their crack recruiters have done nothing to make me feel optimistic.
This Cox fella who has bathed, soaked, sunbathed and had it relatively easy on Man Utd's money and world standing. What the fuck does he know about us and shopping in our bargain basement where you actually need to work fucking hard and be creative and innovative?
These are supposed to be fucking professionals. In their world, 1 year is enough to judge them. Or, let's give them 3 years...
We don't fucking have 2 years!!! In the commercial world, you do not get years.
First match in 1975 and never felt so low. Moyes... But it's mainly TFG and the lack of cheer and hope. They have done nothing on the pitch to alleviate this so far.
They really had fuck all to do with Hill Dickinson Stadium, our best moment since 1995. TFG and their crack recruitment team pitch-wise depress me. But, hopefully, we will have things to cheer as the season starts and the window closes.
But, I have never ever felt so low as I do now as TFG's second full season is about to start.
I really don't care what anyone else says. Whether it's financial stability or be patient for 4/5 years. This minute, right now, TFG and their crack recruiters have done nothing to make me feel optimistic.
This Cox fella who has bathed, soaked, sunbathed and had it relatively easy on Man Utd's money and world standing. What the fuck does he know about us and shopping in our bargain basement where you actually need to work fucking hard and be creative and innovative?
These are supposed to be fucking professionals. In their world, 1 year is enough to judge them. Or, let's give them 3 years...
We don't fucking have 2 years!!! In the commercial world, you do not get years.
Paul Hewitt
97 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:12:07
97 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:12:07
Kunal @94.
I personally think she should have been knocked down. It can't make financial sense to keep her open.
I personally think she should have been knocked down. It can't make financial sense to keep her open.
Scott Robinson
98 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:13:33
98 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:13:33
100% @Tommy 93, this whole 'right-back' debacle.
We have one. He's an international. Does his job when asked to play. Play him.
We have one. He's an international. Does his job when asked to play. Play him.
John Collins
99 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:14:33
99 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:14:33
We spent £115M last season.
With our improved revenue, is it too simple an equation to expect us to spend more than £115M this season?
With our improved revenue, is it too simple an equation to expect us to spend more than £115M this season?
Kunal Desai
100 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:15:51
100 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:15:51
95 - Billy. It certainly is all very flat. We'll never win the Premier League in my remaining lifetime and quite possibly not a single piece of silverware.
Bottom line is people from top to bottom are only in it for the money, they don't care about the fanbase or having any ambition or winning.
The manager is here for a pay day. Which other club would keep the scottish Roy Hodgson on for another season? He's not going to leave without a pay off.
We're a club that makes up the numbers in the Premier League era. That's why Everton are irrelevant when it comes to media coverage.
Bottom line is people from top to bottom are only in it for the money, they don't care about the fanbase or having any ambition or winning.
The manager is here for a pay day. Which other club would keep the scottish Roy Hodgson on for another season? He's not going to leave without a pay off.
We're a club that makes up the numbers in the Premier League era. That's why Everton are irrelevant when it comes to media coverage.
Mike Powell
101 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:19:20
101 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:19:20
Yes we are desperate for a right back...
But let's stop with the "Patterson should start" -- he is terrible.
But let's stop with the "Patterson should start" -- he is terrible.
Kevin Molloy
102 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:19:52
102 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:19:52
Looking into the old crystal ball, I reckon by the end of the month the following takes place...
Incoming:
Johnston
Johnson
Delap
Grealish
Outgoings:
Ndiaye
McNeil
Alcaraz
Iroegbunam
That's about a £10M net spend overall... which is exactly what happened with Roma in Year 2 under TFG.
Such a showing would confirm beyond doubt that we are running a major risk at centre-back, we don't have a 'world class recruitment team'. that Moyes has given up, that the Yanks are just here to make up the numbers, and that we are in a Glazer situation.
The difference with us and Man Utd is though, you've just got to stand still and Man Utd will generate millions every year. With us, you piss the fans off, and this club could slide out of the Premier League, no problem.
I think they need to start playing a lot more nice if they want their new toy to retain the value they bought it at. Cos I'd have no problem joining a boycott to get this lot out if they don't spend this Summer. I'm sure a lot would feel the same, even if it did mean relegation.
Incoming:
Johnston
Johnson
Delap
Grealish
Outgoings:
Ndiaye
McNeil
Alcaraz
Iroegbunam
That's about a £10M net spend overall... which is exactly what happened with Roma in Year 2 under TFG.
Such a showing would confirm beyond doubt that we are running a major risk at centre-back, we don't have a 'world class recruitment team'. that Moyes has given up, that the Yanks are just here to make up the numbers, and that we are in a Glazer situation.
The difference with us and Man Utd is though, you've just got to stand still and Man Utd will generate millions every year. With us, you piss the fans off, and this club could slide out of the Premier League, no problem.
I think they need to start playing a lot more nice if they want their new toy to retain the value they bought it at. Cos I'd have no problem joining a boycott to get this lot out if they don't spend this Summer. I'm sure a lot would feel the same, even if it did mean relegation.
Kunal Desai
103 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:21:10
103 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:21:10
97- Paul. Yes agree, or the capacity should have been significantly reduced and cleaned up.
Parts of that ground look terrible in the current state with seat parts/partial seats ripped. It's just not a good look.
Parts of that ground look terrible in the current state with seat parts/partial seats ripped. It's just not a good look.
Brian Harrison
104 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:33:08
104 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:33:08
I have only watched the clips and certainly we did miss soe very good chances, but the problem this club has had for a few seasons now is lack of goals.
Last season, our front 3 for most games was Grealish, Beto or Barry and Ndiaye; Grealish scored 2, Beto and Barry 20 between them, and Ndiaye 6. Only 28 goals from the front 3 is relegation form.
Dewsbury Hall weighed in with 8, a good return, but our other midfield players couldn't muster more than 2 for the season.
Now whether it's tactics that restrict our goal scoring or just the lack of quality from our players is open to debate, but unless we start to prioritise buying goalscorers, then I can only see this side struggling.
Apart from the Dundee game, against Bolton, Stoke, Hamburg and Stuttgart we have scored 2 goals; 1 was a penalty and the other an own goal.
Now there are players out there who would have improved our goalscoring... the likes of Bowen, who has a very good return, and despite not playing all the games, Harvey Barnes at Newcastle. I would have taken Wellbeck in a heart beat.
I find the recruitment of players for this club is a shambles, it seems we have players the manager might want and players the recruitment team want. Just take the shambles over the right-back at Celtic: Moyes rings O'Neill to tell him to expect a bid, then the recruitment team went to watch him and nothing since.
Even our Prime Minister has told the club to get a right-back, along with 52,000 fans every week.
Finally, I don't think Moyes knows what his best team is... and that, with just a couple of weeks to go, is very worrying.
Last season, our front 3 for most games was Grealish, Beto or Barry and Ndiaye; Grealish scored 2, Beto and Barry 20 between them, and Ndiaye 6. Only 28 goals from the front 3 is relegation form.
Dewsbury Hall weighed in with 8, a good return, but our other midfield players couldn't muster more than 2 for the season.
Now whether it's tactics that restrict our goal scoring or just the lack of quality from our players is open to debate, but unless we start to prioritise buying goalscorers, then I can only see this side struggling.
Apart from the Dundee game, against Bolton, Stoke, Hamburg and Stuttgart we have scored 2 goals; 1 was a penalty and the other an own goal.
Now there are players out there who would have improved our goalscoring... the likes of Bowen, who has a very good return, and despite not playing all the games, Harvey Barnes at Newcastle. I would have taken Wellbeck in a heart beat.
I find the recruitment of players for this club is a shambles, it seems we have players the manager might want and players the recruitment team want. Just take the shambles over the right-back at Celtic: Moyes rings O'Neill to tell him to expect a bid, then the recruitment team went to watch him and nothing since.
Even our Prime Minister has told the club to get a right-back, along with 52,000 fans every week.
Finally, I don't think Moyes knows what his best team is... and that, with just a couple of weeks to go, is very worrying.
Jack Convery
105 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:36:55
105 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:36:55
We all know not having two modern-type full-backs, is holding us back. Even if we had a decent striker, not having players with the capability of Baines and Coleman in their pomp, we would still struggle to get more than 40 goals per season.
In all that time since Baines left and Coleman could be seen to be struggling, Everton have only had one modern full-back -- Digne. A full-back who can make assists and score some goals too...
How come? Why is it so difficult for Everton to identify two full-backs from the 100s, if not 1000s of full-backs on the planet? Why have we not produced a decent full-back from the academy?
It absolutely makes no sense. It's implausible in the extreme. There are full-backs available, on a free. Full-backs in the last year of their contracts. I don't believe for 1 minute we cannot afford one.
Either players are giving Everton and / or the Moyesiah a swerve or -- and I can't believe I'm saying this -- it's deliberate. The club is making a show of trying to get one but will come up with several excuses as to why we didn't come September.
We know Mykolenko is not up to it but the club have extended his contract. That is not progressive. In fact, it's a pragmatic choice.
I have seen, as we all have, that Aznou is a talent, a proper footballer, yet he struggles to get into the team. If it's a case of defensive frailties, then coach and improve him for god's sake. He's been here a full season.
Are we actually saying, as a club, that he has not improved? What is going on at Finch Farm? I feel sorry for Big Jake as he's not a full-back and neither, in my opinion, is Rohl... far from it.
However, I feel both will play the role a fair bit this coming season and we will be a threat-free zone down the right-hand side yet again in 2026-27.
Everton -- what are you? A once proud ship, lying in ordinary, masts off, cannons removed at the side of a river (how ironic), or do you want to be given a full refit, new masts, the finest of sails, with nothing but the best rebuilt by the best and set out once more from the Mersey ready to take on all comers?
Led by a fighting Captain, with the best sailors and gunners... I know which scenario I prefer. How about you?
In all that time since Baines left and Coleman could be seen to be struggling, Everton have only had one modern full-back -- Digne. A full-back who can make assists and score some goals too...
How come? Why is it so difficult for Everton to identify two full-backs from the 100s, if not 1000s of full-backs on the planet? Why have we not produced a decent full-back from the academy?
It absolutely makes no sense. It's implausible in the extreme. There are full-backs available, on a free. Full-backs in the last year of their contracts. I don't believe for 1 minute we cannot afford one.
Either players are giving Everton and / or the Moyesiah a swerve or -- and I can't believe I'm saying this -- it's deliberate. The club is making a show of trying to get one but will come up with several excuses as to why we didn't come September.
We know Mykolenko is not up to it but the club have extended his contract. That is not progressive. In fact, it's a pragmatic choice.
I have seen, as we all have, that Aznou is a talent, a proper footballer, yet he struggles to get into the team. If it's a case of defensive frailties, then coach and improve him for god's sake. He's been here a full season.
Are we actually saying, as a club, that he has not improved? What is going on at Finch Farm? I feel sorry for Big Jake as he's not a full-back and neither, in my opinion, is Rohl... far from it.
However, I feel both will play the role a fair bit this coming season and we will be a threat-free zone down the right-hand side yet again in 2026-27.
Everton -- what are you? A once proud ship, lying in ordinary, masts off, cannons removed at the side of a river (how ironic), or do you want to be given a full refit, new masts, the finest of sails, with nothing but the best rebuilt by the best and set out once more from the Mersey ready to take on all comers?
Led by a fighting Captain, with the best sailors and gunners... I know which scenario I prefer. How about you?
Dave Lynch
106 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:54:55
106 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:54:55
If the lack of transfer activity is down to TFG and the recruitment team, then Moyes should call them out. If it's down to Moyes, then the owners should be vocal about it.
I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle. Either way, we are currently fucked with regard to the new season.
I honestly think Moyes will be sacked by Christmas -- I just cannot see any improvement in the team: same dour predictable tactics that have blighted every team he's ever managed and got him the sack from every job he's had, bar us the first time round.
Every team we played in those last 8 games had us worked out tactically and Moyes was either too stubborn or not clever enough to change things.
It's gonna be a long hard season, lads... strap yourself in for the circus that is Everton.
I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle. Either way, we are currently fucked with regard to the new season.
I honestly think Moyes will be sacked by Christmas -- I just cannot see any improvement in the team: same dour predictable tactics that have blighted every team he's ever managed and got him the sack from every job he's had, bar us the first time round.
Every team we played in those last 8 games had us worked out tactically and Moyes was either too stubborn or not clever enough to change things.
It's gonna be a long hard season, lads... strap yourself in for the circus that is Everton.
Andrew Clare
107 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:55:03
107 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:55:03
Why is it that everyone can see (including the Prime Minister) what is required, but the club seems to be blind to the fact?
We appointed a manager with a mediocre record, a recruitment team that is quite clearly clueless, thinking that we could maintain our Premier League status.
I would hope that Moyes will be gone sooner rather later, no doubt it will be later. Players that we are being linked with are very underwhelming. The outlook, as usual, is grim.
We appointed a manager with a mediocre record, a recruitment team that is quite clearly clueless, thinking that we could maintain our Premier League status.
I would hope that Moyes will be gone sooner rather later, no doubt it will be later. Players that we are being linked with are very underwhelming. The outlook, as usual, is grim.
Raymond Fox
108 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:56:11
108 Posted 09/08/2026 at 10:56:11
We are shaping up for another season as also-rans. We can only hope we make 2 or 3 good signings in the next 3 weeks to improve us.
I think we will do okay, but it will only stretch to staying in the Premier League... but isn't it the same for most of the teams each season? A few will creep into the Top 8 but we usually know who the Top 3 or Top 4 will be.
The financial rules were brought in with good intentions but they have also killed any hope of us becoming the best team in the Premier League.
I think we will do okay, but it will only stretch to staying in the Premier League... but isn't it the same for most of the teams each season? A few will creep into the Top 8 but we usually know who the Top 3 or Top 4 will be.
The financial rules were brought in with good intentions but they have also killed any hope of us becoming the best team in the Premier League.
Dave Lynch
109 Posted 09/08/2026 at 11:27:44
109 Posted 09/08/2026 at 11:27:44
Raymond... we could have untold wealth to spend, but we are not attractive as a club and I put that down to our playing style.
Moyes does not have and never has had any ambitions to be a forward-thinking, attack-minded manager.
How does the saying go..."If a clown lives in a palace, he doesn't become a king... the palace becomes a circus."
Or summat like that.
Moyes does not have and never has had any ambitions to be a forward-thinking, attack-minded manager.
How does the saying go..."If a clown lives in a palace, he doesn't become a king... the palace becomes a circus."
Or summat like that.
Sean Kelly
110 Posted 09/08/2026 at 11:37:20
110 Posted 09/08/2026 at 11:37:20
What in god's name was Moyes doing bringing on Keane???
Everything went arseways after that. Persisting with round pegs in square holes is lunacy.
Kinnear and his lot need to get their finger out. Squabbling over a few quid for the lad from Celtic and Yilmaz and not bothering to replace Bill or Bob upfront will have us hanging around the lower half of the Premier League table come Christmas and beyond.
Everything went arseways after that. Persisting with round pegs in square holes is lunacy.
Kinnear and his lot need to get their finger out. Squabbling over a few quid for the lad from Celtic and Yilmaz and not bothering to replace Bill or Bob upfront will have us hanging around the lower half of the Premier League table come Christmas and beyond.
Rob Hooton
111 Posted 09/08/2026 at 12:39:26
111 Posted 09/08/2026 at 12:39:26
Expectations are very low at the minute, is this just the way Moyes likes it or do we just not have any real money to spend improving the team?
I feel like I'm not the only one who is not looking forward to the coming season; there will probably be a few entertaining games but mostly drudgery.
I used to get annoyed when other fans would call us 'Neverton'; I'm starting to feel that way now and wondering what the point is...
No doubt I'll be hooked in 2 weeks and will be frustrated and excited in equal measure, with a smidgen of hope dashed when we exit the cups early.
I feel like I'm not the only one who is not looking forward to the coming season; there will probably be a few entertaining games but mostly drudgery.
I used to get annoyed when other fans would call us 'Neverton'; I'm starting to feel that way now and wondering what the point is...
No doubt I'll be hooked in 2 weeks and will be frustrated and excited in equal measure, with a smidgen of hope dashed when we exit the cups early.
Raymond Fox
112 Posted 09/08/2026 at 12:42:10
112 Posted 09/08/2026 at 12:42:10
Dave, there is not as yet any part of the club from top to bottom that is doing an obvious good job.
On reflection, maybe that's a bit harsh on who's in charge of boosting our income from events and sponsorship.
On reflection, maybe that's a bit harsh on who's in charge of boosting our income from events and sponsorship.
Steve Byles
113 Posted 09/08/2026 at 12:44:07
113 Posted 09/08/2026 at 12:44:07
I think the truth of the matter is we're skint. It seems we try to low-ball every deal and the transfer committee are waiting on the Ndiaye money to make any offers.
We shot ourselves in the foot with our failed end to the season which lost £20M in merit payments and I'm guessing we now have to sit on £35M to pay Burnley.
We shot ourselves in the foot with our failed end to the season which lost £20M in merit payments and I'm guessing we now have to sit on £35M to pay Burnley.
Steve Brown
114 Posted 09/08/2026 at 13:02:51
114 Posted 09/08/2026 at 13:02:51
We're not skint, Steve,
Estimated revenue of £250M last season. On-pitch spending under SCR is 85% of football-related revenue and net profit or loss from player sales.
TFG are simply not willing to spend.
Estimated revenue of £250M last season. On-pitch spending under SCR is 85% of football-related revenue and net profit or loss from player sales.
TFG are simply not willing to spend.
Raymond Fox
115 Posted 09/08/2026 at 13:06:52
115 Posted 09/08/2026 at 13:06:52
We certainly didn't deserve to lose 3-1, but sticking up for Beto -- his so-called chances were travelling at 100 miles an hour... they were all not even half-chances for me.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
116 Posted 09/08/2026 at 13:23:54
Editorial Team
116 Posted 09/08/2026 at 13:23:54
Kunal @94,
I'd do a story on that but I can't find anything except stuff from a year ago, perhaps before they decided to keep it for the women?
What are you seeing exactly? Please post a link.
I'd do a story on that but I can't find anything except stuff from a year ago, perhaps before they decided to keep it for the women?
What are you seeing exactly? Please post a link.
Michael Kenrick
117 Posted 09/08/2026 at 13:30:14
117 Posted 09/08/2026 at 13:30:14
Steve @113,
I'm guessing we now have to sit on £35M to pay Burnley.
A new share purchase by TFG has injected £38M into the club, apparently to cover that payment.
We have also been assured that the payout would not affect the transfer budget.
I'm guessing we now have to sit on £35M to pay Burnley.
A new share purchase by TFG has injected £38M into the club, apparently to cover that payment.
We have also been assured that the payout would not affect the transfer budget.
Jimmy Carr
119 Posted 09/08/2026 at 13:40:14
119 Posted 09/08/2026 at 13:40:14
Steve (113),
I am also assuming the potential £38M to Burnley has blown a bit of a hole in our transfer budget. TFG could review this and release more funds as that money doesn't need to come from our transfer budget.
Watching the highlights of the game, Jesus, we have to get a decent striker from somewhere. I don't like O'Brien at right-back but I'd live with it if we found a decent centre-forward to put chances away. Has to be the priority, even though the right-back situation is beyond a joke.
I am also assuming the potential £38M to Burnley has blown a bit of a hole in our transfer budget. TFG could review this and release more funds as that money doesn't need to come from our transfer budget.
Watching the highlights of the game, Jesus, we have to get a decent striker from somewhere. I don't like O'Brien at right-back but I'd live with it if we found a decent centre-forward to put chances away. Has to be the priority, even though the right-back situation is beyond a joke.
Ian Bennett
120 Posted 09/08/2026 at 14:04:31
120 Posted 09/08/2026 at 14:04:31
Jimmy @118 -- I am not convinced TFG will end up paying the Burnley bill. The case was known prior to the takeover, so I would expect TFG have an indemnity on the cost from Moshiri as part of the deal.
Moshiri is due sums under a deferred consideration of about £43M. My guess is that sum is linked to the outcome of the Burnley case and other claims.
TFG have put a capital injection into Everton to repair the balance sheet and cover the Burnley cost ahead of an appeal. But my thought is that this will extinguish (part or full) what they were due to pay Moshiri under deferred payments.
That's my guess. The deferred payments might be on other things, but my guess is it is the Burnley case. I just can't see TFG ponying up for that... I wouldn't.
Aside from that, there does seem some odd Premier League moves. Forest sold Anderson for a huge sum and are out of Europe. You'd expect them to spend big, but so far nothing.
Aston Villa have been cautious despite Champions League qualification and the sale of Rogers. Newcastle have banked about £250M and sacked their manager. Sunderland: European success, spent nothing. Palace: European success, spent nothing and looking to sell record signing.
I'd expect this will change. A lot of players are still on leave, so there will be a late flurry in the window. How this impacts Everton... let's see.
Moshiri is due sums under a deferred consideration of about £43M. My guess is that sum is linked to the outcome of the Burnley case and other claims.
TFG have put a capital injection into Everton to repair the balance sheet and cover the Burnley cost ahead of an appeal. But my thought is that this will extinguish (part or full) what they were due to pay Moshiri under deferred payments.
That's my guess. The deferred payments might be on other things, but my guess is it is the Burnley case. I just can't see TFG ponying up for that... I wouldn't.
Aside from that, there does seem some odd Premier League moves. Forest sold Anderson for a huge sum and are out of Europe. You'd expect them to spend big, but so far nothing.
Aston Villa have been cautious despite Champions League qualification and the sale of Rogers. Newcastle have banked about £250M and sacked their manager. Sunderland: European success, spent nothing. Palace: European success, spent nothing and looking to sell record signing.
I'd expect this will change. A lot of players are still on leave, so there will be a late flurry in the window. How this impacts Everton... let's see.
John Collins
121 Posted 09/08/2026 at 14:13:41
121 Posted 09/08/2026 at 14:13:41
I asked Mike Gaynes a while back, with his knowledge of TFG, did he think we would spend the full amount available under the SCR rules.
I don't think they will.
I don't think they will.
Phil Roberts
122 Posted 09/08/2026 at 15:27:12
122 Posted 09/08/2026 at 15:27:12
Brian #104 lays out the real issue.
Barry & Beto scored 17 between them while sharing the minutes. If we had one person playing 38 games and scoring 17 we would be happy - but not if it is 2. Ah, well.
But then apart from Dewsbury-Hall with 8 the rest were: Ndiaye 4, Grealish 2, Gueye 2, Garner 2. We are just not scoring enough from the rest of the team. Keane with 3 scored more than any midfielder except Dewsbury-Hall.
Most teams' strikers score less than Barry & Beto but they chip in with goals from other players. Nørgaard scored 6 in his last season at Brentford and he was supposed to be the defensive midfielder.
Our ire should really be against the wide men and midfielders to increase the number of goals. I would be happy with 10 goals a season from Barry and Beto combined, if the rest of the team scored 49 rather than 29.
Barry & Beto scored 17 between them while sharing the minutes. If we had one person playing 38 games and scoring 17 we would be happy - but not if it is 2. Ah, well.
But then apart from Dewsbury-Hall with 8 the rest were: Ndiaye 4, Grealish 2, Gueye 2, Garner 2. We are just not scoring enough from the rest of the team. Keane with 3 scored more than any midfielder except Dewsbury-Hall.
Most teams' strikers score less than Barry & Beto but they chip in with goals from other players. Nørgaard scored 6 in his last season at Brentford and he was supposed to be the defensive midfielder.
Our ire should really be against the wide men and midfielders to increase the number of goals. I would be happy with 10 goals a season from Barry and Beto combined, if the rest of the team scored 49 rather than 29.
Oliver Molloy
123 Posted 09/08/2026 at 15:57:30
123 Posted 09/08/2026 at 15:57:30
Ian @120,
Eddie Howe was not sacked, he resigned, stepped down, walked away, whatever... He'd simply had enough of his best players being sold -- fair play to him.
Eddie Howe was not sacked, he resigned, stepped down, walked away, whatever... He'd simply had enough of his best players being sold -- fair play to him.
Ian Bennett
124 Posted 09/08/2026 at 16:05:53
124 Posted 09/08/2026 at 16:05:53
Quite right. But it is a slow window so far, bar the clubs with big money.
Kunal Desai
125 Posted 09/08/2026 at 16:29:21
125 Posted 09/08/2026 at 16:29:21
Here you go Michael.
The fucking state of that, show the old lady some respect @everton. pic.twitter.com/1WFhUC9Tw0
— G. (@geoc1878) August 8, 2026
Dale Self
126 Posted 09/08/2026 at 17:05:58
126 Posted 09/08/2026 at 17:05:58
I don't like to do Everton dooming right before start of the season. That being said, there was nothing that resembled a durable system in possession yesterday. Perhaps a bit harsh with new players together for the first time, but the criticism stuck as the match continued.
Iroegbunam managed to compound an initial positional mistake reaching for an interception, got nothing, and completely opened up the midfield for a one-two that made us look amateurish. That was fucking embarrassing, end of.
The goal attempts missed were not just down to inept anticipation of a frustrated striker; it is a feature, not a bug.
The players do not know amongst themselves what 'the play' is. They can't make out positionally what to expect from a teammate taking a certain channel or space. Some of this is an artifact of a slow squad but much of it looks like fundamental ignorance. An ignorance that should have been schooled out of a regular squad whether it is players 1 through 11, or the last names on the sheet.
Once we go down a goal, teams simply wait for our back line to come forward, once they are finished winning second balls from goal kicks. It does not seem like a coherent way of working possession into goal pressure is understood.
I can see some making excuses for Moyes concerning the lineup. If you are picked for the position, you must handle the positional responsibilities or the selection itself was a mistake.
If we are this easy to roll now, wait until the Premier League presses start...
Iroegbunam managed to compound an initial positional mistake reaching for an interception, got nothing, and completely opened up the midfield for a one-two that made us look amateurish. That was fucking embarrassing, end of.
The goal attempts missed were not just down to inept anticipation of a frustrated striker; it is a feature, not a bug.
The players do not know amongst themselves what 'the play' is. They can't make out positionally what to expect from a teammate taking a certain channel or space. Some of this is an artifact of a slow squad but much of it looks like fundamental ignorance. An ignorance that should have been schooled out of a regular squad whether it is players 1 through 11, or the last names on the sheet.
Once we go down a goal, teams simply wait for our back line to come forward, once they are finished winning second balls from goal kicks. It does not seem like a coherent way of working possession into goal pressure is understood.
I can see some making excuses for Moyes concerning the lineup. If you are picked for the position, you must handle the positional responsibilities or the selection itself was a mistake.
If we are this easy to roll now, wait until the Premier League presses start...
Oliver Molloy
127 Posted 09/08/2026 at 17:11:40
127 Posted 09/08/2026 at 17:11:40
Mega rich owners should just go out and buy the best (if they can convince them to sign) in the full knowledge they will be deducted points or fined -- it's the quickest way to have a team that will challenge the Top 4.
It would cost a lot of money and suffering for the year... but, with the right manager and recruitment, you have a great side for the following season. No guarantees, I know... but it seems it is the only way currently.
It would cost a lot of money and suffering for the year... but, with the right manager and recruitment, you have a great side for the following season. No guarantees, I know... but it seems it is the only way currently.
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1 Posted 08/08/2026 at 15:25:51
Travers
Rohl
O'Brien
Branthwaite
Mykolenko
Iroegbunam
Hackney
Armstrong
Dibling
Alcaraz
Barry
Ndiaye on bench