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Here?s a true story. Once upon a time there was a football club. They were not bad, but on the periphery of the very top clubs. For years their stadium, beloved of their fans, had been inadequate and there was pressure to improve it or move elsewhere. The borough council offered them several sites within their local community. There had even been a plan at one time for the local authority to build a stadium in partnership, but that fell through. Eventually, the club chairman arranged to move out of the borough.

It was only six miles to their new home. Even though the club was moving away from their roots to a neighboring borough, many of those who opposed the move were ridiculed. After all a few miles away isn?t far. Sounds familiar? Some of you will have guessed that this club was Wimbledon. Some of you will have recognized the parallels with what Everton plans to do.

In Wimbledon?s case, many fans just didn?t travel to see matches in the neighboring borough. It turned out that despite globalization of the economics of football, football clubs themselves remain rooted in their parochial communities. Three years after they moved away, they tried to move back. But there was no going back. We know what happened to Wimbledon in the end.

Now, obviously there are big differences between Everton and Wimbledon and Everton fans and Wimbledon fans. But it?s impossible to read the optimistic reports about Wimbledon?s future in 1991 ? when they had just missed out on Europe - and the debate about the move, without seeing the parallels. Back then they were talking about building a World Cup standard venue. There was even a supermarket involved ? Safeways.

If Wimbledon had redeveloped Plough Lane or built a new stadium in Merton they would probably be there today and not 70 miles away under a new identity, struggling to climb out of Division 2. They might even still be in the Premier League. Those so eager to move out of Liverpool, take note.
Peter Fearon, Liverpool     Posted 25/06/2007 at 19:34:27

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Roy coyne
1   Posted 25/06/2007 at 21:55:08

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Here ends the first lesson dont mess with tradition
Robbie Muldoon
2   Posted 25/06/2007 at 22:00:05

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Comparing us to Wimbledon?? Thats a poor effort, hang your head in shame sir!
Peter
3   Posted 26/06/2007 at 00:16:19

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As Wimbledon fan your article was interesting as a piece of fiction - you need to do a little more research - interestingly the most accurate thing was stating that we’d be in the premiership if we had our own ground - then again football has changed considerably since we left Plough Lane - we were never big enough to sustain our time in the league........good luck in looking / getting a new Goodison Park...........you need it as well to stay in the big time.
Bill Dean
4   Posted 26/06/2007 at 00:49:03

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A poor comparrison, both in terms of club and geography.

Wimbledon is 7 or 8 miles (not 6) miles across South London suburbia from Crystal Palace. On a Saturday it would be at least a 1 hour drive; there’s no direct public transport link so you would have to go into Central London, go across town and come back out again (80 minutes).

Kirkby is not ideal, we all know that. But don’t muddy the issue with hysterical comparrisons.
Mike Molloy
5   Posted 26/06/2007 at 03:23:20

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I don’t see how comparing one club that moved to a neighboring borough with another planning to do so is hysterical. It is 6.2 miles across South London from Plough Lane to Selhurst Park door to door. It is almost exactly that from Walton Lane to Cherryfield Drive. But even if it was 8, what difference does it make. th pointhe is making is we are leaving the city for a dump and it could be a fatal error.
Derek Thomas
6   Posted 26/06/2007 at 07:42:50

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Egg-fuckin-zacly!!
It may have been Abraham Lincoln or a long forgotton pre-war film critic who said...’Those who like this sort of thing will find it exactly the sort of thing they like!’
Hence the polarised and in some cases OTT denigration of a perfectly valid comparison/parable.I and I’m sure many others, never spotted the Wimbledon side swipe coming out of the wood work.It works on a number of points( to me anyway:see quote above) to show similarities and post a warning.Get off your high horse on the nit picking. If you want EVERY thing to be a perfect comparison find another world, you won’t find it in this one, or any other one, (well none of the ones that I want to live in)
Tony
7   Posted 26/06/2007 at 07:56:37

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How can you say that Wimbledon would still be in the premier league if they stayed at Plough Lane thats just ridiculous.
As for the move to Kirby, I can understand that moving out of the city is upsetting a large number of our supporters. Having read articles and forums on this subject I see about a 50/50 split over the issue.
KEIOC seem to be doing a good job getting backing from former players and Liverpool MP’s.
However, I am not opposed to the move to Kirby for a number of reasons.
1) The infrastructure around the stadium (if they get it right)could be amazing for all concerned. There is a railway line close by, no need to get caught up in city centre traffic, a large parking area could be included into the plans.
2) The proposed site is a massive piece of land and wouldn’t limit us to the size of stadium we could build.
3) We will have a stadium that for a minimal investment would be all ours and be capable of holding international matches for numerous competitions.
Please bare in mind these are only my opinions and I think we would benefit from a move to Kirby. Before everyone rejects this move just take into account the backing we have had from the City Council since the shite have come to fruition and mirror this to the backing we would get if we stayed in the City.
We can’t slag off the council for the lack of support one minute and then ask for their backing and kiss their arses the next.
I believe that either way the board will do what they feel is best for the club (i would hope so anyway).
Dick Fearon
8   Posted 26/06/2007 at 09:55:45

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Those who want the club to build a new stadium inside the city or tart up the old lady have my sympathy but unless they have found a rich benefactor both options are like castles in the air. What it all comes down to is, Show Us The Money.
Alan Young
9   Posted 26/06/2007 at 14:26:00

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Some home truths for Tony.
1. The stadium size is actually not very large. I believe it is about 55,000.
2. We will not own the stadium. Tesco is a publicly traded company with a fiduciary duty to its shareholders and could not give away the stadium if they wanted to. If they pay for it they own it. We may even have to rent it.
3. If the Asbodome gets built, Liverpool will be the only Premier League club in Liverpool. We will be the only Premier League club in...Knowsley.
Andy Baker
10   Posted 26/06/2007 at 15:23:17

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Does anyone actually believe that slagging Kirkby off this will prevent this move? asbodome...behave yerself lad.
Take it you are all going to boycott any stadium move and sulk outside goodison? i dont want the move either because i want it right on the pitch first, the rest will all follow. lets spend every single penny we have on players and put a move to anywere on hold for a while.
By the way the only KEIOC banners i have ever seen were in the pubs around goodison. I wonder why that might be????? do they want us to stay for the right reasons or is it because they are scared their businesses will go down the shitter?
I would travel the lenght of the country to see everton as i do on away games....those who cant be arsed going a few miles need to have a good long look at themselves
Peter Fearon
11   Posted 26/06/2007 at 21:17:06

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Andy Baker - I want it right on the field first too. And it’s not about 6 miles or 60. Ask yourself if Everton is part of the fabric of the city of Liverpool or not. If we are we should stay in the city. If we aren’t we could move to Gibraltar and it wouldn’t matter. The fact is that Liverpool, MU, Arsenal, Chelsea Newcastle and many other Premiership clubs developed new stadiums within their communities. Why? It’s not just because they could. It’s because location is an important part of who they are. We are abandoning Liverpool to Liverpool. Every Evertonian should say no to it.

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