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Great news that Arteta and Cahill have agreed to sign 5-year deals, no doubt. First bit of good news this close season. But please BK don't patronise us with "We did it in the Everton way - quietly, efficiently and away from the glare of the spotlight."
If only that was the Everton Way under your "leadership". All too often in recent years we've dithered and shown an abject lack of commercial acumen, allowing ourselves to get outmanoeuvred by others clubs with greater savvy and more decisive and ambitious leaders. You can try to spin it, but the fans won't fall for it. Just tell it how it is ? that should be The Everton Way.
Rodger Armstrong, Posted 29/06/2007 at 11:30:43
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What a coincidence. Last night I persuaded these two to sign new deals on FM, both until 2012. So, I can tell you that they both wanted equal wages and are now on 39k a week, with a signing on fee of 1.3mil each.
Now maybe if I load it up and start signing a few players...
Now maybe if I load it up and start signing a few players...
Great news about the 2 lads agreeing new contracts.Now wait for the "it’s like having 2 new players".
Despite all the frustration of not signing any new players during the summer, I am delighted to hear Arteta and Cahill have both signed new long-term deals. I am sure it will give everyone at the club a lift and show any potential transfer targets we are moving in the right direction. So well done to Moyes, Kenwright and the rest of the people behind the scenes, the most important deals of the summer have been done.
Wow - some of you are a tough bunch to please... I am fine for not knowing who they are trying to buy. Far better that they announce a deal is in place than announce they are in negotiations with player X and hey presto - someone out bids us...
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I’m really pleased that they’ve both signed as they’re obviously quality players. Also hope that this does as Nial suggests mean that we’ll be signing some new faces. That whole thing about "it?s like having 2 new players" is complete crap. We need to strengthen the squad if we’re going to compete in Europe at all, and survive (yes, survive) in the Premiership.
Cahill and Arteta signing is a nice morale boost, but they won’t hang around until 2012 if we are not progressing.
Cahill and Arteta signing is a nice morale boost, but they won’t hang around until 2012 if we are not progressing.
As almost a mockery of current transfer activity and miniscule squad, what better time than for this article to appear on the club’s official site!
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/strength-in-depth.html
http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/strength-in-depth.html
Good news indeed.
However, the number of times a player signs a ’New long term deal’ and then proceeds to leave, makes me think it is sometimes just a ploy to drive their transfer value higher. So next summer could be a bad time!
Hopefully my cynicism is, in these cases, totally unjustified.
However, the number of times a player signs a ’New long term deal’ and then proceeds to leave, makes me think it is sometimes just a ploy to drive their transfer value higher. So next summer could be a bad time!
Hopefully my cynicism is, in these cases, totally unjustified.
I’m delighted that not only do we have Timmy and Mikky on long term contracts, but we also have Victor, Vaughan and Iain Turner on long term deals as well.
However I’m apprehensive on one count or maybe naturally pessimistic, what I want to know is will Everton come out later on (when we haven’t signed anyone) and say that these five players are like five new signings?
However I’m apprehensive on one count or maybe naturally pessimistic, what I want to know is will Everton come out later on (when we haven’t signed anyone) and say that these five players are like five new signings?
Proof positive if ever it were needed that, no matter what the club does, there’ll always be someone willing to find fault.
The future of two key players is secured, yet some feel the need to have another bloody moan about the Board ?
Unreal.
The future of two key players is secured, yet some feel the need to have another bloody moan about the Board ?
Unreal.
Agreed, Tom Morris... first time I’ve looked up the footy news on the net today and Mikky and Timmy signing long term deals is read as a great positive by me.
Out of curiosity, I clicked on to Toffeeweb... and found this thread. What a sad, cynical bunch some people are. I’m not saying any one in this thread is guilty of it, but in recent weeks there has been a cynical clique berating the board and Moyes for not sorting out contract extensions for Arteta and Cahill , boldly predicting that the pair of them would be auctioned off to fund transfers.
It ain’t happened. Yet as this thread demonstrates, people are still inclined to be negative rather than positive about good news emanating from the club.
Go figure...
Out of curiosity, I clicked on to Toffeeweb... and found this thread. What a sad, cynical bunch some people are. I’m not saying any one in this thread is guilty of it, but in recent weeks there has been a cynical clique berating the board and Moyes for not sorting out contract extensions for Arteta and Cahill , boldly predicting that the pair of them would be auctioned off to fund transfers.
It ain’t happened. Yet as this thread demonstrates, people are still inclined to be negative rather than positive about good news emanating from the club.
Go figure...
It’s not called negativity everyone - it’s called realism.
Two new players? - simple economics. My bank was going to take £35 from me because they could. I spoke to them and they didn’t charge. I’m £35 better off, its like someone just gave me the money, for nothing (except a bit of chat)
Our heavenly twins get more money, and although the contracts they sign aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on, losing them now would leave a hole far too big to fill. So welcome a midfield that most teams will be worrying about next season. It didn’t have to be like this. There’s bungloads of monet out there to take them away.
And when the next Blue puts into words the simple truth that we have to strengthen our squad, can he or she just pause and consider that Mr Moyes has already figured that one out for himself. I notice that the Shitehawks have £27m on the table for another - would you believe it? - Spanish player (any agents, family members etc involved?). Success can be bought - and I refer to Chelsea rather than the employers of cheating goalkeepers - but some kopshite will be complaining to his mate tonight that they aren’t spending enough. Spare us all from that fate, and I do believe that we live on a Blue Planet.
Tim yes, but San Mikel in particular saying in the only pen and paper way of saying it, that they think this is a club worth investing your own career in speaks so loudly about what really matters - the players on the pitch winning games.
A very good day’s work.
Our heavenly twins get more money, and although the contracts they sign aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on, losing them now would leave a hole far too big to fill. So welcome a midfield that most teams will be worrying about next season. It didn’t have to be like this. There’s bungloads of monet out there to take them away.
And when the next Blue puts into words the simple truth that we have to strengthen our squad, can he or she just pause and consider that Mr Moyes has already figured that one out for himself. I notice that the Shitehawks have £27m on the table for another - would you believe it? - Spanish player (any agents, family members etc involved?). Success can be bought - and I refer to Chelsea rather than the employers of cheating goalkeepers - but some kopshite will be complaining to his mate tonight that they aren’t spending enough. Spare us all from that fate, and I do believe that we live on a Blue Planet.
Tim yes, but San Mikel in particular saying in the only pen and paper way of saying it, that they think this is a club worth investing your own career in speaks so loudly about what really matters - the players on the pitch winning games.
A very good day’s work.
Steve - I think you’ll find it’s actually called ’opinion’.
Sorry to correct you Steve, but it is not reality - it is called opinion. Most of the comments in this thread are based on personal opinion, tired cliches and speculation.
Just because your, or mine, or any other comments get published in the public domain do not necessarily make them valid or factual.
At least we have a forum to express our opinions, eh...?
Just because your, or mine, or any other comments get published in the public domain do not necessarily make them valid or factual.
At least we have a forum to express our opinions, eh...?
Chad,I don’t know if you were having a little dig at me for the "It’s like having 2 new players".I just meant it tongue in cheek.
Hold on, your twisting my words, my negativity is being realistic, my opinion is my opinion. I know my own mind you know.
Not twisting your words at all, Steve. Your negativity is YOUR reality, not mine. It therefore represents your opinion and NOT a fact, nor even a general consensus.
That’s weird! YOU are twisting your OWN words! BRILLIANT!!!
You win...
That’s weird! YOU are twisting your OWN words! BRILLIANT!!!
You win...
I thought Steve thought I was was twisting his words.
Turns out is was Art who was twisting them or it now seems possible that he’s twisting his own.
That’s just my opinion, though.
*Lies down.
Turns out is was Art who was twisting them or it now seems possible that he’s twisting his own.
That’s just my opinion, though.
*Lies down.
Your twisting my melon man
Lets twist again, like we did last summer.
6th could be worse, for anyone with the ability to count.
Shall we return to basics?
Arteta + Cahill, good.
Everton PLC (not yet) sell to net millions of quid. Didn’t happen.
My mate in Barcelona told me that Mikel would be playing for Espanyol next season. He isn’t.
And Tim isn’t going back to London, (as was widely rumoured)
Here’s a quiz for anyone who doesn’t only read their own letters - complete the following well known phrase.
"We need a ------ squad".
(clue - smaller has 7 letters)
When you have worked this one out, write to Mr Moyes, who has never thought of this for himself.
If you have a spare 50 million quid in your back pocket, step forward. To buy - well, who would you buy?
Me? I’d take DM’s advice.
6th could be worse, for anyone with the ability to count.
Shall we return to basics?
Arteta + Cahill, good.
Everton PLC (not yet) sell to net millions of quid. Didn’t happen.
My mate in Barcelona told me that Mikel would be playing for Espanyol next season. He isn’t.
And Tim isn’t going back to London, (as was widely rumoured)
Here’s a quiz for anyone who doesn’t only read their own letters - complete the following well known phrase.
"We need a ------ squad".
(clue - smaller has 7 letters)
When you have worked this one out, write to Mr Moyes, who has never thought of this for himself.
If you have a spare 50 million quid in your back pocket, step forward. To buy - well, who would you buy?
Me? I’d take DM’s advice.
Yes K.G I don’t think the penny’s dropped with some people that Davey is the qualified person at Everton to make the decisions. The replies are only so numbered on these letters by the level headed people telling the pessimists to get a grip.
Opinions are fine but a lot of negativity is being fed from the poor rumours coming out of the media. If it is coming from the OS site that Moyes has done something we don’t agree with-fine have a go at him & EFC collectively but again its not fair to have a go at him based on some lame rumour coming from the tabloids or putting 2 and 2 together and making 5.
The stadium issue is a different debate- its on the pitch that counts in the coming season and we’ve got the right man on the case.
By way of last years transfer activity, the club learned from the previous year by signing better players, can’t compare though to this year in terms of timing of signings, because 1. theres more money about due to Sky so the markets gone crazy 2. clubs generally (exceptions noted!!!)don’t want to get stung with highly inflated transfer fees because of point 1 above by signing players too early.
DM and a number of other managers will take the sensible route and try and force other clubs hands to get the prices down later in the window. May appear a risky route to some, but the strategy will have been thought through I’m sure.
Take the initial 5 years of DM’s management, the overall result is progress and that is backed up by cold hard performance stats, not spin or speculation or even opinion.
Assess where we where at in 2002 and now in 2007, surely even the most negative blue has to agree its been a better ride recently.
Opinions are fine but a lot of negativity is being fed from the poor rumours coming out of the media. If it is coming from the OS site that Moyes has done something we don’t agree with-fine have a go at him & EFC collectively but again its not fair to have a go at him based on some lame rumour coming from the tabloids or putting 2 and 2 together and making 5.
The stadium issue is a different debate- its on the pitch that counts in the coming season and we’ve got the right man on the case.
By way of last years transfer activity, the club learned from the previous year by signing better players, can’t compare though to this year in terms of timing of signings, because 1. theres more money about due to Sky so the markets gone crazy 2. clubs generally (exceptions noted!!!)don’t want to get stung with highly inflated transfer fees because of point 1 above by signing players too early.
DM and a number of other managers will take the sensible route and try and force other clubs hands to get the prices down later in the window. May appear a risky route to some, but the strategy will have been thought through I’m sure.
Take the initial 5 years of DM’s management, the overall result is progress and that is backed up by cold hard performance stats, not spin or speculation or even opinion.
Assess where we where at in 2002 and now in 2007, surely even the most negative blue has to agree its been a better ride recently.
I must admit I have been frustrated at the lack of new signings so far this summer (or maybe I?m just too impatient!?), but the news that Tim Cahill and Mikel Arteta have signed new five-year contracts has filled me with confidence that there will be new quality players being added to the squad soon.
The reason I think this is because I honestly believe that there is no way two players of that quality would commit to a club they felt wasn?t moving forward on the playing side. For this reason I can only assume that the club have told them, or maybe they know themselves, that there are new signings imminent which will enable them to achieve their ambitions here and have no need to move. Only time will tell suppose, but hopefully I?m right.
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Now however good the club might be at pulling the wool over the eyes of the fans in terms of its immediate future, I'm sure Arteta and Cahill are not the type of players to settle for talk and no action. Both players have publicly stated their desire to play in the Champions League and to have signed such long-term deals (for what contracts are worth nowadays) they must know that Moyes will be bringing in new players to build on last season. I'm sure as thrilled as Mikel would have been at the prospect of playing alongside Phil Jagielka (no offence intended) he will have been made aware that other quality signings may also be on the radar.
So will these new deals be the only deals? I think if nothing else it might just give us the bit of hope that our club is making plans to move forward. Alternatively it could be another PR ploy to keep us all happy while the eternal wait for more quality goes on.