He has no idea how to handle strikers. Yakubu was starting to hit form and looked "unplayable" according to commentators. He then finally scores and is dropped and never heard of again. Saha apparently just needs a goal according to DM. No shit sherlock! He needs a lot more than that! His transformation has been astounding. His last performance was atrocious!

Now he wants to sell JV and bring in AN Other loan. Great long-term thinking!

I lost my faith a long time ago, Ged, he just doesn't seem to want to learn anything by his mistakes. If you said to him "Davey, the best form of defence is attack" he would give you one of his Ashworth Hospital looks.

He is well past his sell-by date.

Not another Moyes out post. Haven't we already debated this to death?

The only help Kenwright needs is to be shown HOW TO SELL A CLUB.

The fact that no money is being released for a signing in the transfer window (according to the Guardian) and that any deals for strikers have to be short-term loans tells me that the board is also losing faith in Moyes and his inconsistent record in the transfer market.

As for selling James Vaughan, I think that's a huge error. I'd rather see the back of Anichebe, Yakubu or Bilyaletdinov. To describe their contribution as minimal is being kind to them. If we are in the drop zone at the end of January, which is a strong possibility, I think he's gone.

Moyes can not control what the board do ? like offering contracts to players such as Pienaar and Gosling. It all fell apart when Bully left us (Big Keith Wyness).

I just don't see the point of selling James Vaughan for some piss ant fee. Surely it makes more sense to keep him as another option, especially when you consider our current strike force is about as potent as an eighty-year-old with erectile dysfunction.

He's injury prone? So is Saha, but at least Vaughan is still prepared to work hard and throw himself into a 50/50. He also has something to prove and his enthusiasm and energy can get the crowd onside. Saha, on the other hand, displays no apparent hunger or fight and his lethargic lack of effort only serves to increase frustration amongst the fans. I'm already anticipating the audible, collective groan on Boxing Day when the starting line up is announced and (fuc)King Louie's name is read out once again.

"The fact that no money is being released for a signing in the transfer window and that any deals for strikers have to be short term loans tells me that the board is also losing faith in Moyes and his inconsistent record in the transfer market"

Really? It just tell's me that the club is still fucking skint.

I'll shine the toe of my boot to give Billy Liar the only help he needs and that's a boot right up the arse out the door of the club.

John (#7), nail on the head mate... and some people still think Kenwright has a secret stash of cash he's holding back ? Green has closed the till, Kenwright is broke, potless, skint ? how many more ways can you say it for it to finally sink in???

I don't believe David Moyes's comment that he would let James Vaughan go! What! And you want to keep Hot Shot Saha and Awesome Anichebe. Great! Truly, Moyes doesn't have a clue when it comes to strikers.

James Vaughan should be playing football at his level... that's not at Everton ? or possibly even in the Premier League.

Moyes has bucketloads of faults ? selling James Vaughan is not one of them.

Selling Vaughan at this point in the season, and then broadcasting it, is poor management; no wonder Anichebe (and Gosling, who's already gone) wanted out. Selling Vaughan should be at the end of the season. We will be lucky to have 18 players next season with no money to spend.

Kenwright OUT!!!

John and Gavin, I never suggested there was a secret stash, but I do believe that Moyes was given significant funds in recent seasons and wasted most of it on signings that didn't pay off. If the board still had confidence in him ? and presuming there was someone good available to sign ? they would borrow against a future sale, such as Yakubu, or structure a deal over several seasons.

If it's true they are not willing to give him one penny, that suggests more than just liquidity problems. If the fans are becoming disenamoured with him, it's foolish to imagine members of the board are not also.

Whilst I detect increasing levels of dissatisfaction with DM, these will rapidly fade once we can string a few wins together. The man`s record over nearly nine years is nigh on impeccable for a club with such limited resources and we must all show a little patience as he strives to correct the immediate problem ? the lack of a goalscorer!

"One thing James Vaughan will do is work hard and make things happen for us and he certainly couldn't do any worse in front of goal than the others."

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The only thing James Vaughan guarantees is that you cannot rely on him to play consistently. I really like him and I think without the injuries he would have been a regular goalscorer for us. He's a decent finisher with an eye for goal, pacey and puts himself about. None of that matter's if he's only fit enough to play 5-10 games a season.

He's 10x the player Anichebe is but he's worse than Saha for injuries and this means we can't plan ahead with player's like them in the squad.

Blackpool also pulled out of a loan deal because they couldn't afford his wages which were quoted as £15k a week. That's £¾ million a year! We can't afford to carry sicknotes on that type of money. If we can get a fee for him we should take it and wish him all the best. He never gave less than 100% every time he played for us.

Richard Dodd, we have never scored many goals and I think David Moyes has done a very good job but all things must come to an end. He CANNOT keep pulling rabbits out of hats.

Richard Dodd - Come on! His record is impeccable? Impeccable? You must have been watching the Premier League in the Bizarro World.

If his record was impeccable we would be among the top five at least. Have you looked at what's been hapening this season and most of last season?

As for him "correct(ing) the immediate problem ? the lack of a goalscorer!" The reason we don't have one is that none of his signings in that position have been any good!

Impeccable! That's a good one. I'll be telling myself that one all day.

Richard Dodd - How is Moyes going to correct the goalscoring issue if he only ever starts with the same striker who can't it a barndoor with a banjo and the others get 10mins if they are lucky???

Peter, the trouble is the club have probably exhausted every credit line they have and selling Yakubu on the never-never isn't going to raise that much money.

Bily is an inside right, a retard could have found that out on YouTube but DM paid a lot of money for him to play him as a winger and he isn't and never will be whilst he has an arsehole. Instead of admitting defeat DM keeps him benched, not even using him as a sub or, for the times he does, plays him out of position.

DM hasn't had any money since the season before last and that came from the sale of Lescott and was not raised by the board. They haven't sold anyone this season so we bought fuck all, expect the same again unless we sell the likes of Rodwell and Baines in the summer.

If Moyes playes Saha in the next home game and only one up front then that's me done. I will not renew my two season tickets. How else can we get the message across that this negative type of football is not what the fans want?

We have had for too many seasons were we start poorly and Moyes get it 'right' but far too late. Enough is enough. Wigan, Newcastle, WBA taking the piss out of us the fans... I dread going the home games.

Frank,

I'd disagree that 4-5-1 is a negative formation. It is supposed to be played with players who can make it a 4-3-3 with the ball...

Moyes is negative, not the formation..

Kenwright needs help in resigning as chairman, then he might actually sell the club. Until this happens we'll never have any money and we'll never win anything.

He is the poorest chairman in the Premier League financially and is not suitable to own our club. Hicks & Gillette stepped down and they sold the club within 6 months of bringing Broughton in.

But Kenwright does not want to sell the club, he wants to run it but have somebody else finance it. That is never going to happen ? nobody rich enough to buy our club would invest and let him run it.

Post 20, I agree ? 4-5-1 can be positive... most teams play some variant of it. The difference is when the two wider players get in the box and join in with the striker, Pienaar & Coleman have 2 goals between them. and the majority of what shots they have attempted have been poor. It's the whole team that needs to improve on its scoring record, with the exception of Cahill ? God knows where we would be without him & Baines this season.

Ciaran, fair point... but a Moyes 5-4-1 will never be a 4-3-3!

We simply don't have the players for that either. You need pace and width ? we have neither.

What is about DM and strikers, anyway? They seem to start off pretty well, even excellently, and then drop off unexpectedly: James Beattie, Andrew Johnson, Yakubu, all basically share the same story. After some time at the club, they just seemed to stall.

Ciaran (#20), with the right kind of players, 4-5-1 could work but, regardless of any kind of players, it is a more defensive system than an attacking one. To use it at home against the likes of Wigan etc is the hallmark of an unimaginative coward.

Moyes says Saha only needs one goal then the floodgates will open. How much longer do we have to wait for Christ's sake!?!

If true that Davy turned down an offer for the Yak, it would be almost criminal. He is well past his sell-by date and a lazy arsed diver to boot. A manager's job is not only to pick the team and the game plan. He must also identify and correct individual weaknesses. In that regard, Davy has been abysmal.

Pienaar's and Osman's shooting power and accuracy are as bad as they ever were. The same goes for Hibbo's and Neville's crosses. Then there is Arteta's woeful dead-ball kicks; if anything, they are getting worse.

Already there are signs that Coleman under Moyes is as good as he is ever going to get. My advice to that lad would be find a manager who knows something about the attacking side of the game.

Everyone raves about the impact made by Donovan. Maybe that was because he was not here long enough for Moyes to lay his dead hand on him.

While most teams have turned their backs on 4-5-1, our Davy is still obsessed with it.

I don't get these bad line-up calls on Moyes. Ok, so Johnny is a better CB and he should have stuck with the Yak, but his hands are tied with who he has available at any point during this campaign.

"4-5-1 could work but, regardless of any kind of players, it is a more defensive system than an attacking one."
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Not sure what this sentence means at all. I've seen us play a 4-4-2 with two defensive midfielders.

Barcelona play a 4-5-1.

In short: No it's not.

Jay 3# and Gavin ? I agree with what you say... trouble is, how do we get rid of Billy Liar?

Spot on, John McLoughlin (#19). Kenwright's arrogance and massive ego seriously believes there is someone out there that will finance the club but let him keep control... And that is were this club is stuck because, given his track record of fuck-ups, no-one is going to do this. And who could blame them?

KENWRIGHT OUT!!

I think Moyes has done pretty good with loan signings so far. Our best players were loan-to-buy options, eg, Arteta. He's only failed recently with Jo, and who would have thought that a Brazilian international would fail?

Going down with the Hammers... if that's 'impeccable' ? I'm the Queen!!

"Jo, and who would have thought that a Brazilian international would fail"

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Anyone who'd watched him play for City.

Philip Green's name keeps cropping up in various postings with the implication that he is bankrolling our esteemed chairman. Is there any substance to this story and why would a Spurs fan want to put cash into Everton?

David Moyes was a good manager when he came to the club, he even played attacking football sometimes. But then he finished fourth and got shafted by the board regarding transfers. But he kept on, kept getting into Europe, earning money for the club... but still he was given nothing to improve the squad. Instead, he had to sell before he could buy.

If you look at Moyes now and Moyes in the past, he now looks as though he has had enough. He doesn't care any more because he knows that the club isn't going anywhere. This summer, if he stays at Everton, we will know that he has no ambition; I think he will be going.

Getting rid of the board is more important than getting rid of Moyes.

Ciaran #27, any kind of number system can look like whatever you or more importantly the manager wants. It is the mind set of the manager that sets the tone. In Barca's case, although brilliant going forward, they don't give anything away at the back.

Moyes clearly shows his defensive colours by having our lone striker back defending at the slightest danger. Against free kicks, our numbers game is more like 10-0-0.

Tony (#33), the widely reported rumours are that Green lent BK the money to buy the club originally; he then reputedly went on to supply the finance and front man in Earl to buyout Gregg when BK looked close to losing control of the club. There's strong rumours he had significant influence in pushing forward the whole DK debacle due to the retail enablement attached to it, maybe so he could finally recoup the debt BK had incurred with him.

DK fails and suddenly we are potless ? ever wondered why? When asked, BK regurgitates crap like he's a friend of mine and thus a friend of the club. As you ask, why would a Spurs supporter want anything to do with Everton? ? NB: Earl is also a Spurs supporter.

Roy (#28) ? we shouted Agent Johnson out; if we can find enough people with balls and not blinkers, we should do the same to Kenwright ? let him know, every home game.

Gavin, given how some people on here are totally blind to Kenwright's failings, might a campaign against Green and Earl not be a better idea? After all, if they sell up, Kenwright will automatically follow.

For me I believe Moyes now to be completely out of his depth. I am sometimes left wondering if he even cares anymore. Look at his posturing, the way he is now less animated.

One could be forgiven he is going through the motions until he contract runs out, knowing he will be immune to getting the sack.

Personally I don't believe Kenwright would sack Moyes. For me, the reason is all too simple. Kenwright can fall on Moyes and vice versa in any kind of shove to get one or the other out. That is if we tried to force Kenwright out, Moyes would likely follow him.

Moyes made a statement in the last 24 hours about all things funding. Not sure if you even watched what he said on the news. He said no manager is immune from being sacked when new owners come in.

What was he aluding to exactly? I just don't know, I know Moyes has lost the plot completely. He is making decisions that are often bizarre. For example, playing people constantly out of position, when he knows full well where they play better.

He has too many flaws, and you know, if I had my own way and was the chairman, I'd be busily looking around for a new manager on the quite without Moyse knowing until almost at the last possible minute, and I'd just fire him.

A lot would depend on results, but the reality is, financially we are in the shite, no one is going to come to our rescue and we have to make do with what we have, each year its obviously getting harder and harder. 9 years is a long time for any Prem manager to still be in charge of the same team obviously. But we need a change now rather than later, before it's too late. Me, I'd go for Coyle... or I'd scour the lower leagues to see if there are any promising young managers about. Moyes isn't the only one out there...

Steve Pugh - I am not sure our fat controller would leave if the other two sold up...id be happier if they would get together as the majority shareholders and sold the club.. i dont know how you'd get rid of fat kenwright tho.

Just watched the post fight press conference of the Smith-DeGale fight and wondered who the bloke in the Everton top was. The bogey man?

Watched from 5:45-7:00 he's obviously got a real hunger for the game!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBrHYm6j4xc&feature=fvsr