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We have got to stop being nice fans... Kenwrght has got to go.
When are people going to wake up and realise this man is the main cause of our demise? Look at his record:
1. Kings Dock
2. Fortress Sports Fund
3. Kirkby Fiasco
4. Totally Bankrupt Football Club.
OK, I hear he is a true Blue and all that crap. As supporters, we have got to force him out. Believe me, if he stays as chairman, we WILL GET RELEGATED ? IF NOT THIS SEASON, THEN NEXT.
PLEASE, ALL EVERTON FANS, WAKE UP AT THE NEXT GAME. START THE "KENWRIGHT OUT" CHANT AND DON'T STOP.
HE IS KILLING OUR CLUB!
Steve Sweeney, Posted 03/01/2011 at 11:39:23
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KENWRIGHT OUT MOYES OUT
I have to repeat what Colin has said, wasn't that long ago we had supporters with balls that chased Johnson out of town; today you have gobshites that think the sun shines out of Kenshite's arse and fall for that "true blue", "one of us", "boys pen" bullshit.
I was unlucky enough to have Radio 2 on in the car the other day with my wife and kids as we went shopping, I swore at the Radio as the prick was adamant Elvis really still is physically alive.
If he had a shred of honour, he would step down thus meaning new opportunities including a takeover or investment. I get the feeling he's putting a block on those things at the moment.
We simply cannot continue to lack competitiveness in the transfer market. Last summer was a joke as were the previous 2 where we either had to shop in the bargain basement or we were rushed into buying players very late in the day who weren't up to speed for months.
I think we should keep DM though and it would be interesting to see how he gets on in a different regime. Sadly, if inexplicably poor starts to the season persisted, he would have to go as you would hope without Kenwright that Lescott or Pienaar-style fiascos wouldn't continue.
Heard on 5 live that we are in for Wheater for £1.5 million. Good buy and could be a long term gem but I sorely hope he isn't the only player we bring in for obvious reasons.
We simply cannot continue to lack competitiveness in the transfer market. Last summer was a joke as were the previous 2 where we either had to shop in the bargain basement or we were rushed into buying players very late in the day who weren't up to speed for months.
I think we should keep DM though and it would be interesting to see how he gets on in a different regime. Sadly, if inexplicably poor starts to the season persisted, he would have to go as you would hope without Kenwright that Lescott or Pienaar-style fiascos wouldn't continue.
Heard on 5 live that we are in for Wheater for £1.5 million. Good buy and could be a long term gem but I sorely hope he isn't the only player we bring in for obvious reasons.
If you think the younger generation won't make a stand but you want to be heard then why not start with voicing your dissaproval with banners around the ground on matchdays.
This does one of two things. Highlites the anger and contempt amongst us for the board/chairman/moyes etc to the media and the surrounding supporters who view banners, whether that be via the TV,newspapers or at Goodison.
Secondly, once the awareness is raised the younger generation may grasp this and hopefully go along with what seems to be an evergrowing support to rid our club of these idiots who are settling for us being mediocre/average/mis-managed/shite/also-rans (delete as appropiate) and from here we can then start making more and more noise (ala Mr Park Foods) to the point were BK & DM do one for the good of the club.
This whole sorry saga is not what I wished for going into 2011, and unless unrest is voiced now this will roll on through to the end of the season with the same old threads being made daily/weekly/monthly.
Do something about it now before its too fucking late, and get some new fresh faces in with new ideas and preferably a bit of cash. This should start from the top and not just at playing level and should start NOW !!
This does one of two things. Highlites the anger and contempt amongst us for the board/chairman/moyes etc to the media and the surrounding supporters who view banners, whether that be via the TV,newspapers or at Goodison.
Secondly, once the awareness is raised the younger generation may grasp this and hopefully go along with what seems to be an evergrowing support to rid our club of these idiots who are settling for us being mediocre/average/mis-managed/shite/also-rans (delete as appropiate) and from here we can then start making more and more noise (ala Mr Park Foods) to the point were BK & DM do one for the good of the club.
This whole sorry saga is not what I wished for going into 2011, and unless unrest is voiced now this will roll on through to the end of the season with the same old threads being made daily/weekly/monthly.
Do something about it now before its too fucking late, and get some new fresh faces in with new ideas and preferably a bit of cash. This should start from the top and not just at playing level and should start NOW !!
Its unfair to call Moyes mediocre Colin, his record shows he is not. But if he hasn't 'pushed on' then he is restricted by Kenwright's past decisions that have sapped money from the club.
A year ago, having got past the mass of injuries Everton didn't lose for the remainder of the season and as much as this season sucks, are you so sure, are the Moyes Out brigade so sure, that he won't have the team reaching its potential again next season?
And before someone asks me what his record is that shows a lack of mediocrity then I'd say he has the best average position in the league since he took over outside of the top 4, and was one of only two managers to break the top 4 monopoly.
Unfortuantely, when you're outside the chosen few in this league then the best of the mediocre is in itself an achievement. Tis the times we live in.
A year ago, having got past the mass of injuries Everton didn't lose for the remainder of the season and as much as this season sucks, are you so sure, are the Moyes Out brigade so sure, that he won't have the team reaching its potential again next season?
And before someone asks me what his record is that shows a lack of mediocrity then I'd say he has the best average position in the league since he took over outside of the top 4, and was one of only two managers to break the top 4 monopoly.
Unfortuantely, when you're outside the chosen few in this league then the best of the mediocre is in itself an achievement. Tis the times we live in.
I agree that the time to protest certainly about the lack of investment in the club. If chants against Bullshit Bill started on Wednesday it would at least bring a bit of atmosphere to the ground, as the current performance of the team certainly won't.
Having said that the likes of Dodd will not have his beloved luvvie Bill castigated in any way.
Having said that the likes of Dodd will not have his beloved luvvie Bill castigated in any way.
Sadly, it is true that the majority of supporters seem to accept mid-table mediocrity as success ? to those, then the club may as well change its motto as this will NEVER be good enough for this club.
I can see Moyes putting another of his favourite pet poodles, Osman, into Cahill's role on Wednesday rather than taking the game to Spurs.
He is killing us Kenwright, there's no doubt about it, we cant keep going on by selling prized assets to strengthen the squad every now and again, sooner rather than later we are going to need to sell the likes of Rodwell to bank roll our own spending spree and that cant go on.
Kenwright needs to seriously hold his hands up and say he hasnt got the money and needs to get out of Everton for the benefit of the club, none of this bollocks about looking 24/7 and that he really doesnt want to be in the job come this time whenever, he needs to actually walk instead of talking shit, he's got to do more and find someone, anyone with cash behind them to help us out.
And btw, it doesnt help when Moyesy keeps saying he's got a brilliant chairman like he as done days ago cos that just builds Kenwrights ego and makes his head even bigger so that he thinks he should stick his job out no matter what, it would be best if Moyes said nothing about him ever again, fair enough dont slag him off cos he's his boss but dont swell his head either by calling him brilliant when he clearly isnt!.
Were all greatfull he rescued us from Johnson and we have had some good season under his tenure but he cant bank roll us to where we want to go or be and he hasnt been able to for along time so it's about time relinquished his train set and let someone or some people with the clout take us on, i know it's easier said than done but surely there are people out there if you look and instigate hard enough, the likes of the shite found new owners quick enough when they wanted to.
Kenwright needs to seriously hold his hands up and say he hasnt got the money and needs to get out of Everton for the benefit of the club, none of this bollocks about looking 24/7 and that he really doesnt want to be in the job come this time whenever, he needs to actually walk instead of talking shit, he's got to do more and find someone, anyone with cash behind them to help us out.
And btw, it doesnt help when Moyesy keeps saying he's got a brilliant chairman like he as done days ago cos that just builds Kenwrights ego and makes his head even bigger so that he thinks he should stick his job out no matter what, it would be best if Moyes said nothing about him ever again, fair enough dont slag him off cos he's his boss but dont swell his head either by calling him brilliant when he clearly isnt!.
Were all greatfull he rescued us from Johnson and we have had some good season under his tenure but he cant bank roll us to where we want to go or be and he hasnt been able to for along time so it's about time relinquished his train set and let someone or some people with the clout take us on, i know it's easier said than done but surely there are people out there if you look and instigate hard enough, the likes of the shite found new owners quick enough when they wanted to.
Wheater is a more Moyes type buy but pointing out the obvious, goals win games not another fucking defender, Moyes really is evolving full circle into Walter Smith.
Gavin - Wheater could be a great signing but there's a time and a place to buy long term centre backs and it's not when you are teetering above the relegation zone because none of your strikers are scoring. As stated, just hope that £1.5 million isn't all we spend.
at this stage i would be happy with 7/8 mil NET spend on players!
Andrew I'm not denying he might be a good buy but right here, right now, today, we need every fucking penny spent on goals not another fucking defender, that just sums up Gollum, he has lost the plot.
Wheater is playing for Boro today so it looks like nothing is imminent there.
As he's scored 2 in his last 3 games maybe Moyes sees him as the answer to our scoring problems !!!
As he's scored 2 in his last 3 games maybe Moyes sees him as the answer to our scoring problems !!!
Gavin - I agree - can only hope Wheater is what we can buy without selling and that something is going on to sell the Yak, Saha, Pienaar or Heitenga so we can buy a striker, spending maybe £3-6 million?
What a load of balls! The only people who have/are killing this club are those 'fans' who got in the way of the Kirkby move and helped to it's downfall. If that had gone through we'd have been bought buy an investor and we'd now have money to spend on players. Anyone who thinks Kenwright should sell to any idiot should look at what happened to Portsmouth and West Ham to name but two!
Kenwright isn't perfect but he and Moyes have made the best of a bad situation.
What we need is the players to start performing on the pitch, especially the likes of Arse-teta.
Notwithstanding the above I do think Moyes and Kenwright have made a huge mistake by not offering Pienaar more money to stay at the start of the season. No money in the world now is going to keep him at this club when we've got nothing more than a relegation battle to look forward to!
Kenwright isn't perfect but he and Moyes have made the best of a bad situation.
What we need is the players to start performing on the pitch, especially the likes of Arse-teta.
Notwithstanding the above I do think Moyes and Kenwright have made a huge mistake by not offering Pienaar more money to stay at the start of the season. No money in the world now is going to keep him at this club when we've got nothing more than a relegation battle to look forward to!
The problem is that Kenwright isnt in charge anymore.He sold his soul to Earl and Green who are handling the sale of the club.
Moyes issues are with Earl/Green because they will not loosen the purse strings and are standing firm on what they want.
As expected Bill is clueless about what to do and Moyes has taken his bat and ball home.
It may well be that Moyes is playing games but with relegation looming I certainly hope that is not the case.
Moyes issues are with Earl/Green because they will not loosen the purse strings and are standing firm on what they want.
As expected Bill is clueless about what to do and Moyes has taken his bat and ball home.
It may well be that Moyes is playing games but with relegation looming I certainly hope that is not the case.
If he cant play in 4 different positions DM won't even consider it, especially for the pricely sum of £1.5 Million or where 5 live mistaken and we had put in a bid of £1.50
Unless he offloads one of the already mentioned (Saha/Yak/Heitinga) then Guy#11 I suspect you will come away from the Jan window feeling not so happy and I dont see anymore than 2 possibly 3 at a push, dependant on how Blue Bill is feeling post christmas coming in. And if this many do come in, I can guarantee it wont be til the last week of Jan, thus saving a few pennies on wages when in reality we NEED THEM NOW !! Not in another 4 games from now, as this could thn see us (probably) in the bottom 3 and (probably) out of the cup with an other DM/Everton 3rd rd fuck up !!
I feel so dissapointed and let down in what they have served up this season, I would settle for 4th from bottom right now with the promise of a shiny new owner and manager. So much promise at the start of the season has faded away into what can only be described as ineffective football from day one.
Unless he offloads one of the already mentioned (Saha/Yak/Heitinga) then Guy#11 I suspect you will come away from the Jan window feeling not so happy and I dont see anymore than 2 possibly 3 at a push, dependant on how Blue Bill is feeling post christmas coming in. And if this many do come in, I can guarantee it wont be til the last week of Jan, thus saving a few pennies on wages when in reality we NEED THEM NOW !! Not in another 4 games from now, as this could thn see us (probably) in the bottom 3 and (probably) out of the cup with an other DM/Everton 3rd rd fuck up !!
I feel so dissapointed and let down in what they have served up this season, I would settle for 4th from bottom right now with the promise of a shiny new owner and manager. So much promise at the start of the season has faded away into what can only be described as ineffective football from day one.
Jim [15] what a load crap to blame fans who didn't want to move to Kirkby to happen. The Government brought an end to that project !! I wasn't bothered where the club moved to as long as investment streams improved to help the playing side of the club.
Kenwright has no intention of relinquishing his hold on his train set. So let's get real here, the club are going backwards through a lack of ambition / investment.
Moyes must take his share of the blame for getting the likes of Arteta (who at present is nothing more than a passenger) his lucrative contract.
Craig Bellew #5, good thinking mate, thats exactly what we should do cos your spot on, it needs people to put over there thoughts inside Goodison on banners to show tv and all the rest of the fans and board members and Kenwright especially that were not happy with whats going on one bit!.
We need to stand up and do something before it's too late like you say, Liverpool fans got on the Yanks cases the minute things werent so rosey within Anfield and weve put with what we have for much longer than they did so lets make a stance.
We need to stand up and do something before it's too late like you say, Liverpool fans got on the Yanks cases the minute things werent so rosey within Anfield and weve put with what we have for much longer than they did so lets make a stance.
Jim are you another club plant? There never was or ever will be any truth behind Desperation Kirkby being anything other than an abject disaster, read the DK hearing documents, scan the web and compare and contrast the lies from Kenshite, Wyness, KMBC and Terry Tesco to the truth. Try a Freedom of Information Act request and ask Everton FC how much money they pissed away on a project doomed to failure that was correctly killed in it's tracks by the government, not by fans or anyone else but because it was flawed to such an extent it should never have seen the light of day, it's more than we spent this summer on players.
Like I said earlier, whilst there are gullible bastards that think the sun shines out of Kenshite's arse we are on a hiding to nowhere.
Like I said earlier, whilst there are gullible bastards that think the sun shines out of Kenshite's arse we are on a hiding to nowhere.
You should be on your 'TOD' Mr. SWEENEY with pathetic rants like this. Get real and get behind our beloved Everton for the remainder of the season ....and beyond.
A measure of displeasure from fans can be directly measured here http://www.facebook.com/EvertoniansforChange that has 265 fans on it within the last 24 hours.
If no one said they Liked this page, then that would be a clear indication that most were happy with things at Everton. On the other hand....
If no one said they Liked this page, then that would be a clear indication that most were happy with things at Everton. On the other hand....
Frank, a shout against Kenwright is not a shout against Everton. It is a shout for Everton, it is a shout to support the future of our club.
If the press see discontent they'll lap it up. One of the reasons the press don't give Kenwright any grief is because they think we all love him. So when Spurs score their 3rd on Wednesday, the fans HAVE TO start voicing their opinions.
If the press see discontent they'll lap it up. One of the reasons the press don't give Kenwright any grief is because they think we all love him. So when Spurs score their 3rd on Wednesday, the fans HAVE TO start voicing their opinions.
Aidy #19, Cheers !!
If I wasnt living on this god forsaken Island I would have my worst single bedding sheet and some black sparay paint at the ready for my old 60 bus ride down queens drivefrom the swan for the next home game, with the simplest of slogans on it !!
Kenwright & Moyes out NOW !!
I just hope people will start voicing their anger, starting on wednesday and what best way to do it with, than with banners and hopefully once spotted the chants of the fans will follow.
I just hope this catches on as I can't see us doing what that shower do across the park and start marches and demonstrating on a walk from werever to Goodison, it's just not our style, we'll leave that shit to the experts ie Newcastle and the shite !!
If I wasnt living on this god forsaken Island I would have my worst single bedding sheet and some black sparay paint at the ready for my old 60 bus ride down queens drivefrom the swan for the next home game, with the simplest of slogans on it !!
Kenwright & Moyes out NOW !!
I just hope people will start voicing their anger, starting on wednesday and what best way to do it with, than with banners and hopefully once spotted the chants of the fans will follow.
I just hope this catches on as I can't see us doing what that shower do across the park and start marches and demonstrating on a walk from werever to Goodison, it's just not our style, we'll leave that shit to the experts ie Newcastle and the shite !!
Alan Clarke
Let me get this straight, You believe Spurs will score three on Wednesday, how many do you think Everton will score?
Let me get this straight, You believe Spurs will score three on Wednesday, how many do you think Everton will score?
Kenwright has his faults but he doesnt sign bad players and choose the dreadful tactics. There should only be one campaign target:
MOYES OUT NOW.
MOYES OUT NOW.
Jim Long@15
Jim, it wasn't the anti-Kirkby fans that stopped that project,as has already been pointed out on this thread. What pissed a lot of us off was the "virtually free" Ikea shed at Kirkby was going to cost us much more than an iconic waterfront stadium at Kings Dock, a once-in-a lifetime move well and truly fucked-up by Kenwright.
I agree with your comment that we don't want to sell to any idiot, like the Indians who've taken over at Blackburn. Anyone else see the quote from the owner who, when asked who would run the football side of things after Allardyce's departure, "Well, my brother knows a bit about football". You couldn't make that up..
Jim, it wasn't the anti-Kirkby fans that stopped that project,as has already been pointed out on this thread. What pissed a lot of us off was the "virtually free" Ikea shed at Kirkby was going to cost us much more than an iconic waterfront stadium at Kings Dock, a once-in-a lifetime move well and truly fucked-up by Kenwright.
I agree with your comment that we don't want to sell to any idiot, like the Indians who've taken over at Blackburn. Anyone else see the quote from the owner who, when asked who would run the football side of things after Allardyce's departure, "Well, my brother knows a bit about football". You couldn't make that up..
Moyes has done well on a really shit budget. Every team has a season or 2 of mediocrity and maybe after years of top 5/6 finishes, it's our turn. (And I am not saying that this is acceptable, just inevitable). The BIG failing was that of the chairman not to invest in the club to move us forward when we were in a good position. Just look at where Spurs are now after they got the backing melted welly face demanded. That should have been us.
Gents for the umpteen time, no one wants to buy the club, I've no idea why but they don't. Like everyone on this site I'd like a new chairman/board with tons of cash or even a little bit more than Bill. I couldn't give a flying fuck about whether he stood in the boys or if it was the first time they've been, but obviously he hasn't got the prsonal wealth needed to take the club forward.
But no one has shown the slightest interest in buying us, if they had we would've read about it-full stop. Honestly this is like trying to convince your mate that his bird has dumped him and ain't coming back
But no one has shown the slightest interest in buying us, if they had we would've read about it-full stop. Honestly this is like trying to convince your mate that his bird has dumped him and ain't coming back
Hallwood: The club is not for sale for the umpteenth time.
"Honestly this is like trying to convince your mate that his bird has dumped him and ain't coming back ."
"Honestly this is like trying to convince your mate that his bird has dumped him and ain't coming back ."
David that's a pretty disingenuous claim, as no one really knows what the price is and what exactly is on offer for the price. It's fairly well known the club was bought for £30m or so and it has been reported that the asking price my be in excess of £200m, what would a buyer get for that money? A stadium needing big investment for overhaul or replacement and nothing but the players contracts worth a bean, maybe even BK demanding a seat on the board. Who in their right mind is going to pursue that price tag? A lower fairer price would still give BK an unbelievable return on his original loan to buy the club and not put off a buyer and leave them enough cash to invest in the work needed at the stadium and in the squad.
Why would any buyer got running like a petulant child to say they tried to buy and got shafted when they could just go to another club with a much better market valuation and pursue that instead?
Why would any buyer got running like a petulant child to say they tried to buy and got shafted when they could just go to another club with a much better market valuation and pursue that instead?
Frank #21
I love Everton Football Club.
It has broken my heart to see what that lying Bastard
of a Chairman has done to our Club and Our support.
DK split the club in two, the man is an abject failure
as a chairman.He is destroying our football club.
Maybe I will be on my Todd after the Spurs Game win or Lose with a banner outside the Directors Box
KENWRIGHT OUT.
And as for Moyes-if he had any balls he would do a Martin O/Neill and threaten to walk if there is no investment.
Do people not realise what is happening at Everton.
Everything has been sold or mortgaged the result of BK's term as Chairman.
We have got to force him out or Our Beloved Club will die.
I love Everton Football Club.
It has broken my heart to see what that lying Bastard
of a Chairman has done to our Club and Our support.
DK split the club in two, the man is an abject failure
as a chairman.He is destroying our football club.
Maybe I will be on my Todd after the Spurs Game win or Lose with a banner outside the Directors Box
KENWRIGHT OUT.
And as for Moyes-if he had any balls he would do a Martin O/Neill and threaten to walk if there is no investment.
Do people not realise what is happening at Everton.
Everything has been sold or mortgaged the result of BK's term as Chairman.
We have got to force him out or Our Beloved Club will die.
The man is a disgrace. He's a cancer that is slowly eating away at this club. I've never fell for his "boys pen,true blue" shite.
He's a phoney with only his best interests a heart. His massive ego and desperation to hang on at all costs is destroying our club.
KENWRIGHT OUT.
He's a phoney with only his best interests a heart. His massive ego and desperation to hang on at all costs is destroying our club.
KENWRIGHT OUT.
Amen Steve, nail on the head
Gavin,
"no one really knows what the price is and what exactly is on offer for the price." I agree with this statement.
"Why would any buyer got running like a petulant child to say they tried to buy and got shafted when they could just go to another club with a much better market valuation and pursue that instead?"
If someone had of made a bid for the club and actually had the funds in place we would have heard about it. There is no way in this day and age a story like this would not have been leaked by one or more interested parties.
"no one really knows what the price is and what exactly is on offer for the price." I agree with this statement.
"Why would any buyer got running like a petulant child to say they tried to buy and got shafted when they could just go to another club with a much better market valuation and pursue that instead?"
If someone had of made a bid for the club and actually had the funds in place we would have heard about it. There is no way in this day and age a story like this would not have been leaked by one or more interested parties.
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anybody think that we might be trying to buy wheater for 1.5 million so we can sell johnny for 2 or 3 times that amount and then put the excess towards a striker?
Newcastle were being banded about for £80-100m last summer... so if Kenwright is looking for more than that then we have no chance of being sold. Compare their revenues/ground to ours and we are currently miles behind them, despite our high league positions and their relegation in the last few years .
David #34, my point is if a buyer wanting to buy an EPL comes looking he might find four clubs for sale and sees what is on offer, if the club is overpriced why bother making an offer? They would just move on, that wouldn't make any news would it?
I predict the end may well be nigh come Wednesday night and the visit of Spurs. I think that unfortuantely we will be in for a right old rogering at the hands of Happy Arry and his rather excellent team at the end of which the fan's displeasure will be voiced...........
David Thomas: Look up the word confidentiality before you make such a ludricous claim.
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Gavin,
The point i am making is that many people on this site keep on saying Kenwright should sell up and leave the club. However, people don't seem to be considering that there might not actually be anyone else to come in and take over the club. Do you not think we would have heard from someone if they had been willing to invest in everton but had been put off by the price or the board telling them the club is not for sale etc etc. I am not saying that every story would have been leaked, but surely at least one would have been surely if there was in fact people interested?
The point i am making is that many people on this site keep on saying Kenwright should sell up and leave the club. However, people don't seem to be considering that there might not actually be anyone else to come in and take over the club. Do you not think we would have heard from someone if they had been willing to invest in everton but had been put off by the price or the board telling them the club is not for sale etc etc. I am not saying that every story would have been leaked, but surely at least one would have been surely if there was in fact people interested?
Like all the other protests, this one will wither as soon as the team can string two wins together. BB knows it; I suspect these protesters know it. In fact, we all know our biggest fan is set to stay in office for a long while yet.
"David Thomas: Look up the word confidentiality before you make such a ludricous claim"
Of course the confidentiality agreement. Of course.
David O'Keefe,
Is it just us who sign these agreements? I mean obviously the last 12 months have showed Manchester United and Liverpool etc don't sign them otherwise we would never have heard of the Red Nights or the 2 or 3 parties who were interested in Liverpool etc.
Of course the confidentiality agreement. Of course.
David O'Keefe,
Is it just us who sign these agreements? I mean obviously the last 12 months have showed Manchester United and Liverpool etc don't sign them otherwise we would never have heard of the Red Nights or the 2 or 3 parties who were interested in Liverpool etc.
David Thomas:
We didn't hear about those indian fellows at Blackburn until a deal had been reached.
We didn't hear about those indian fellows at Blackburn until a deal had been reached.
David Thomas, Randy Lerner was interested in Everton, we heard about that after he bought Villa.
"We didn't hear about those indian fellows at Blackburn until a deal had been reached."
I obviously listen to different radio stations and read different newspapers than yourself because i had heard about their interest.
I mean we heard all about Ashley before he bought Newcastle, heard all about the owners of Birmingham before they bought the club, heard all about the red Knights interest in United, heard all about the interested parties in Liverpool, heard all about Gold and Sullivans interest in West Ham before they bought the club, heard all about the Icelandic consortium before they bought into West Ham.
I obviously listen to different radio stations and read different newspapers than yourself because i had heard about their interest.
I mean we heard all about Ashley before he bought Newcastle, heard all about the owners of Birmingham before they bought the club, heard all about the red Knights interest in United, heard all about the interested parties in Liverpool, heard all about Gold and Sullivans interest in West Ham before they bought the club, heard all about the Icelandic consortium before they bought into West Ham.
We only heard about the deal when it was agreed, is my point same with many of the other sales that you have listed.
Man Utd and LFC are different cases in point, but the point that i'm making, one that clearly eludes you, is that in the business world- confidentiality is of paramount importance. What you don't do Thomas is get on the phone to the media and tell them that someone wants to buy your business.
Have I made myself clear now?
Man Utd and LFC are different cases in point, but the point that i'm making, one that clearly eludes you, is that in the business world- confidentiality is of paramount importance. What you don't do Thomas is get on the phone to the media and tell them that someone wants to buy your business.
Have I made myself clear now?
Seem to have drifted off the point of Sweeneys article. Pressure matters and in that I agree with you.
If we did get Bill out, who would we get then? We are in DEEP trouble, lads.
Who gives a fuck about confidentiality, we are shit at present, and at best are just about clinging to Premier League safety at worst we will be in the bottom 3 shortly fightinh for our lives.
Who cares about who knew what about takeovers? We need to vent our frustrations at our idiot of a manager and fucking useless (to put it mildly) board & BK, starting on Wednesday, whether we win, lose or draw.
Who cares about who knew what about takeovers? We need to vent our frustrations at our idiot of a manager and fucking useless (to put it mildly) board & BK, starting on Wednesday, whether we win, lose or draw.
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Ste #32, I'm no fan of Kenwright, but I wouldn't like to call anyone a cancer on the club. A little distasteful, though I can think of another Big C to call him instead.
It is fairly obvious that no one anywhere near the level of investment we require or desire wants to buy us. We couldnt ask for a higher level investor for example than the Indians who bought Blackburn, and who wants that. Financially we are between a rock and a hard place.
So if a protest pushed out Kenwright this season, what happens then? A sugar daddy will suddenly appear. Get real. Earl et al would probably appoint someone in the interim and offload the club to any Tom, Dick or Harry just to recoup their basic investment. The new investors / buyers probably wouldnt care less about developing the football club, just try to profit from it at our expense.
So unfortunately we just have to wait in hope for a big investor / buyer that will pump money into the squad and provide some funds to re-develop Goodison. I think Kenwright would have alreay sold to a type like this, if there was such a group, and i sincerely doubt he has turned down / blocked / ignored any realistic offers to date.
So if a protest pushed out Kenwright this season, what happens then? A sugar daddy will suddenly appear. Get real. Earl et al would probably appoint someone in the interim and offload the club to any Tom, Dick or Harry just to recoup their basic investment. The new investors / buyers probably wouldnt care less about developing the football club, just try to profit from it at our expense.
So unfortunately we just have to wait in hope for a big investor / buyer that will pump money into the squad and provide some funds to re-develop Goodison. I think Kenwright would have alreay sold to a type like this, if there was such a group, and i sincerely doubt he has turned down / blocked / ignored any realistic offers to date.
"We only heard about the deal when it was agreed, is my point same with many of the other sales that you have listed."
That is simply not true. There was speculation and talk about most of those deals in the media weeks before everything was agreed. In fact the Birmingham deal was talked about for over a year if i remember rightly.
"Man Utd and LFC are different cases in point" How so David???
That is simply not true. There was speculation and talk about most of those deals in the media weeks before everything was agreed. In fact the Birmingham deal was talked about for over a year if i remember rightly.
"Man Utd and LFC are different cases in point" How so David???
Your memory must be playing tricks on you, Mr Thomas. I heard about the indiand when the deal was done and due diligence was under way.
Man Utd and Liverpool are different cases as they are always in the media spotlight due to their size and profile. The part that fans groups play in forming takeover bids is also a factor as they are not and can not be businessmen/women that will conduct deals in secrecy.
Thats the difference.
Anymore lame objections as you search for the last word? Its just that I have other matters to attend to this evening.
Man Utd and Liverpool are different cases as they are always in the media spotlight due to their size and profile. The part that fans groups play in forming takeover bids is also a factor as they are not and can not be businessmen/women that will conduct deals in secrecy.
Thats the difference.
Anymore lame objections as you search for the last word? Its just that I have other matters to attend to this evening.
David O'Keefe, Gavin Ramejkis, Liverpool wasn't for sale, in fact Waldorf & Statler went to the high court to prevent the sale, cadburys wasn't for sale and launched a campaign to prevent the takover. Selling/buying a company isn't the same as selling/buying a car or a house in the fact that usually no one person 'owns' the club and therefore the propective buyer will make their intentions known that they are in the market for a company, if the offer is rebuffed out of hand then they will buy up shares, and make it known that they are in the market to shake the monkeys from the tree.
I'm not a Blue Bill apologist, in fact I'd probably dance naked in the middle of Lime Street if someone richer took us over, but what you and a number of people don't ask is why no one wants to buy the club, instead you would rather live in the 'I believe in Father Christmas" world and believe that evil Black Bill is a cross between Aldolf Hitler and Rupert Murdoch and is preventing any one from buying the club, and stopping any mention of it in the press.
I'm not a Blue Bill apologist, in fact I'd probably dance naked in the middle of Lime Street if someone richer took us over, but what you and a number of people don't ask is why no one wants to buy the club, instead you would rather live in the 'I believe in Father Christmas" world and believe that evil Black Bill is a cross between Aldolf Hitler and Rupert Murdoch and is preventing any one from buying the club, and stopping any mention of it in the press.
David O'Keefe,
"Your memory must be playing tricks on you, Mr Thomas. I heard about the indiand when the deal was done and due diligence was under way". So because you had not heard about that particular deal until that point that auotomatically means no one else had does it?
I see Man U and Liverpool are different cases because they don't fit into the argument you are trying to make.
Which fans groups are you talking about by the way?
"Your memory must be playing tricks on you, Mr Thomas. I heard about the indiand when the deal was done and due diligence was under way". So because you had not heard about that particular deal until that point that auotomatically means no one else had does it?
I see Man U and Liverpool are different cases because they don't fit into the argument you are trying to make.
Which fans groups are you talking about by the way?
David Hallwood: That is the most disgraceful strawman argument that I have seen on TW. In fact you have also godwin'd yourself and made yourself you look a right idiot in the process. Well done.
David Thomas: You don't like admitting that your wrong do you. So I am wrong because you have better contacts? This is getting ridiculous.
Your making an idiot of yourself here. For each club that you mention there are different circumstances, its ot one size fits all on the issue of club buy outs. For some the discussions are kept quiet and we only find out when a deal is done, for some its protracted, and we find out before the deal is agreed, in cases like LFC and MUFC you have vociforous fans groups making loud noises about takeovers.
If you can't understand that Thomas, go finish your dot to dot books, because your wasting my time, no-one on TW is that stupid.
Your making an idiot of yourself here. For each club that you mention there are different circumstances, its ot one size fits all on the issue of club buy outs. For some the discussions are kept quiet and we only find out when a deal is done, for some its protracted, and we find out before the deal is agreed, in cases like LFC and MUFC you have vociforous fans groups making loud noises about takeovers.
If you can't understand that Thomas, go finish your dot to dot books, because your wasting my time, no-one on TW is that stupid.
How much is the club for sale for?
Unless the price is realistic no-one will be interested,
Bill said he has a couple of inquires a week, and when he says, "Show me the money", they all do one?
How much? How much, that's the question.
Unless the price is realistic no-one will be interested,
Bill said he has a couple of inquires a week, and when he says, "Show me the money", they all do one?
How much? How much, that's the question.
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David O'Keefe#57 'Strawman?' 'Goodwin'd yourself?' Que?
Kenwright & Moyes are BOTH SHITE...!!
"David Thomas: You don't like admitting that your wrong do you. So I am wrong because you have better contacts? This is getting ridiculous."
Better contacts??? Not really David i just listen to tallksport on the way to and from work sometimes and read newspapers and watch Sky Sports News every now and then.
I don't think anyone has suggested its a one size fits all buy out process have they???
I think by the fact that you have started including personal insults in your last two posts to myself and David Hallwood that you need to head off and attend to your other matters that you mentioned earlier. A clear sign of someone struggling to justify an argument / opinion is when they start dishing out insults instead.
Better contacts??? Not really David i just listen to tallksport on the way to and from work sometimes and read newspapers and watch Sky Sports News every now and then.
I don't think anyone has suggested its a one size fits all buy out process have they???
I think by the fact that you have started including personal insults in your last two posts to myself and David Hallwood that you need to head off and attend to your other matters that you mentioned earlier. A clear sign of someone struggling to justify an argument / opinion is when they start dishing out insults instead.
Dave and Dave,
Billy Liar was proven to be a liar, in court.
it was also proven that the club wasn't for sale, in court no less.
So why are you both defending the worst owner of Everton that there has ever been?
How much is the club for sale for?
Billy Liar was proven to be a liar, in court.
it was also proven that the club wasn't for sale, in court no less.
So why are you both defending the worst owner of Everton that there has ever been?
How much is the club for sale for?
Actually, Thomas; I'll think you'll find that Hallwood has made a ludricous allegation that the anti-bkites have called a nazi; and got
the only response it deserved ridicule.
As for you Thomas your on a wind-up (again) and you'r know crowing about getting a restrained reaction, but not in any way abusive reaction confims this. You do understand my arguments, but your feigning ignorance, you're not that stupid. Is that abuse or a backhanded compliment?
This is about you having the last word, nothing else. Time wasting as usual
the only response it deserved ridicule.
As for you Thomas your on a wind-up (again) and you'r know crowing about getting a restrained reaction, but not in any way abusive reaction confims this. You do understand my arguments, but your feigning ignorance, you're not that stupid. Is that abuse or a backhanded compliment?
This is about you having the last word, nothing else. Time wasting as usual
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
An explanation for you Hallwood. Better for you to steer away from dubious nazi comparisons.
An explanation for you Hallwood. Better for you to steer away from dubious nazi comparisons.
Is Goodwin'd an allusion to former Head of RBS Fred Goodwin who brought the bank to it's knees?
You're all as bad as each other trying to get the last word in...
None of us know dick about what's for sale and who wants to buy it...
All I know is that we're shite both on and off the pitch....
None of us know dick about what's for sale and who wants to buy it...
All I know is that we're shite both on and off the pitch....
How can people blame the Chairman for everything ? get real!
First and foremost, it's the players, then the manager who are at fault. If you were the Chairman, would you give Moyes money? ? Exactly!
We have a £10M Russian who does not even play; we have given Saha a two-year contract on good money (another great decision by Moyes !).
Blackpool have not got any money but they have a positive manager who goes for it, and players who try hard. The players are to blame; simply not up for it or up to it ? Why?
Then you look at Moyes and Round... negative; Do some players not want to play for them? (Are they sulking,etc?) Yakubu, I could understand... ,Beckford, getting 4 minutes at West Ham; disgraceful by Moyes.
Kenwright's only problem is that he has not got the balls to get rid of £65-grand-a-week Davey ? if he can sort that out, I'm fully behind him.
David Hallwood. Liverpool WAS for sale. Hicks and Gillett acquired Martin Broughton to oversee the sale. Waldorf and Statler took it to court because they thought it was being sold at to low a price.
Paul: Blackpool have spent more money than Everton this season.
Moyes has done more than enough to earn our support, he has done a lot for the club and is worth 65k a week or do you not think the Everton manager should be paid the market rate?
As for sacking Moyes then what? The same problems regarding finance and the stadium problem will remain. These should be the clubs priority not sacking the manager after a poor run of form.
Its the lack of resources that are the problem not the manager. To think that we can investment nothing and expect a return is ridiculous; this season has so far exposed this folly.
Moyes has done more than enough to earn our support, he has done a lot for the club and is worth 65k a week or do you not think the Everton manager should be paid the market rate?
As for sacking Moyes then what? The same problems regarding finance and the stadium problem will remain. These should be the clubs priority not sacking the manager after a poor run of form.
Its the lack of resources that are the problem not the manager. To think that we can investment nothing and expect a return is ridiculous; this season has so far exposed this folly.
Nice one Tony Gee#66, but a trifle light on analysis. BTW David O'Keefe, as you are well aware I wasn't comparing BK to a nazi or the the anti bills as nazis, just a bit of sarcasm given that I look every day and have done for years now (maybe it just seems like years) for news of investment/buyer into the club. Not just football sites/papers, but the financial ones as well, and so far there's been nothing-zilch, about prospective buyers. Therefore either black Bill has got control of the media that would make the average dictator green with envy, or no one wants to buy us.
I wish it wasn't the case and i've got my own ideas why we haven't had a sniff of interest (my money's on the cost of ground move/refurb). But sometimes life's a bitch. last word on the subject
I wish it wasn't the case and i've got my own ideas why we haven't had a sniff of interest (my money's on the cost of ground move/refurb). But sometimes life's a bitch. last word on the subject
No Hallwood you claimed that the anti-bkites have compared him to Hitler or Rupert Murdoch. That's my objection.
As you know Bill himself is turning away plenty of potential buyers, but that's only his unreliable words. The club's not for sale that's the only difference, between Everton and other clubs. Perhaps if he was under some pressure......
As you know Bill himself is turning away plenty of potential buyers, but that's only his unreliable words. The club's not for sale that's the only difference, between Everton and other clubs. Perhaps if he was under some pressure......
The club is garbage from top to bottom the chairman has no direction and the manager has no tactics...even though we have no money there is no excuse for shit football...end of story!
The Club is NOT for sale, the Club's own barrister confirmed this during the DK public hearing, words to the effect of 'I can confirm that the Directors of Everton have no intention of relinquishing or diluting their shares in the club at this or any other time'. I'm sure the exact wording is in the archives on here somewhere, it's certainly on public record ! That we were for sale was exposed at the inquiry as yet another LIE from Bullshit Bill, the man and the rest of his cronies on the Board are killing our club. Green and Earl are Spurs fans, I wonder which side of the Directors box they'll be sat in tomorrow? It would be funny if it wasn't so very very sad !
FORMER Wolverhampton Wanderers chairman Sir Jack Hayward has claimed his family was ?destroyed? by a bitter feud over the famous club and his £130 million fortune.Now that sound like a chairman who truly cared for the club left in his charge.
The generous businessman spent 17 years at the helm of the Black Country team, pouring in £70 million of his own cash.
Sir Jack, 87, helped transform the aging Molineux stadium and propelled the club into the Premier League in 2003.
But the former soccer boss sparked a furious row with two of his children when he sold Wolves to construction boss Steve Morgan in 2007, for a nominal £10.
Sir Jack claims son Rick, 59, and daughter Sue, 62, objected to the sale ? and the siblings are now going to court in a battle over his fortune.
He said: ?The family realised I was going to sell the club and they said: ?We want some money?.
?They would not sign an agreement to let the club go. They said: ?We don?t approve of you giving the club away for £10.?Sir Jack, who lives on the Bahamas in the Caribbean, spent four years trying to find a suitable owner to take over at his beloved Wolves. The nominal fee he excepted from Morgan was on the condition that he invested £30 million in the club.
The decision has since been vindicated as the former Championship outfit returned to the Premier League this season.
But to get the Morgan deal through, Sir Jack says he had to give former-Wolves chief executive Rick and Sue his 350-acre Lydhurst Estate in Sussex, as well as his 14,000-acre Dunmaglas shooting estate in Scotland.
He added: ?Asset strippers, city slickers, people like the Glazers, who just put Manchester United into debt, were what I was afraid of.
?I had to sign over the estates to my children, even though I still have to maintain and run them and keep them up out of my own pocket.?
Rick and Sue have since reportedly launched a legal battle to protect their future inheritance. Sir Jack says they have written a 1,000 page document for the hearing claiming he has ?lost his mind? and is frittering their inheritance away.
He said: ?Well, it is true I have frittered away millions ? on them.
?The best education money could buy, although a fat lot of good that did.
?I bought them all properties and land when they married, lovely homes, the best of everything.
?They grew up in luxury, I gave them lump sums from time to time, millions of pounds.
?I financed nonsense like charter boats to the Caribbean, holidays abroad, photography courses, pottery courses, cookery courses, secretarial courses ? anything they wanted, they got.?
And Sir Jack says he will battle his relations all the way over his fortune. ?I will fight this lot to the death if I have to,?? he said.
?I?m going out with all guns blazing.?
I know Kenwright is not loaded in comparison, and I'm not seriously suggesting he should sell his shares for a tenner, but I hate all this shit spouted about him being the 'ultimate Blue' who is selflessly seeking to sell for the good of the club but can't find a buyer.
If the club is actually for sale then why doesn't he come out and say so instead of constantly talking about 'investment'?
If the club is actually for sale then what is the asking price? If the asking price is ( as rumoured) close to £200m then surely he can see this is hopelessly unrealistic and prohibitive to attracting any interested parties.
If personal profit has nothing at all to do with it, and his only concern is to find someone who can take the club forward, why not offer the club for sale at a bargain price on the proviso that all debts be paid off and money made available to strengthen the squad?
John Daley,
Nail on the head,
And I felt like crying when I read about Jack Hayward, true fan!
Bill, the noose is tightening...
How much Bill, How much?
Nail on the head,
And I felt like crying when I read about Jack Hayward, true fan!
Bill, the noose is tightening...
How much Bill, How much?
Jim Long@15
Jim, it wasn't the anti-Kirkby fans that stopped that project,as has already been pointed out on this thread. What pissed a lot of us off was the "virtually free" Ikea shed at Kirkby was going to cost us much more than an iconic waterfront stadium at Kings Dock, a once-in-a lifetime move well and truly fucked-up by Kenwright.
I agree with your comment that we don't want to sell to any idiot, like the Indians who've taken over at Blackburn. Anyone else see the quote from the owner who, when asked who would run the football side of things after Allardyce's departure, "Well, my brother knows a bit about football". You couldn't make that up..
Jim, it wasn't the anti-Kirkby fans that stopped that project,as has already been pointed out on this thread. What pissed a lot of us off was the "virtually free" Ikea shed at Kirkby was going to cost us much more than an iconic waterfront stadium at Kings Dock, a once-in-a lifetime move well and truly fucked-up by Kenwright.
I agree with your comment that we don't want to sell to any idiot, like the Indians who've taken over at Blackburn. Anyone else see the quote from the owner who, when asked who would run the football side of things after Allardyce's departure, "Well, my brother knows a bit about football". You couldn't make that up..
David O'Keefe 67,
"You do understand my arguments, but your feigning ignorance".
I do understand your argument i don't think i have ever suggested i don't understand what your opinion is. I simply disagree with your opinion, that is all. Nothing more, nothing less.
As with our previous discussion about the protests i disagreed with you on a number of things on that topic. However, for some reason you seem to think that i am trying to wind you up for some reason.
The plain truth is that i simply disagree with your opinions on this matter. I am not sure how i am trying to wind you up in my posts?????
Furthermore, you keep on stating i want the last word with yourself. All i am doing is simply responding to your posts. If you don't want to debate this matter with me that is fine. However, if that is the case why did you send your post 41, if not to get a reply from me?
"You do understand my arguments, but your feigning ignorance".
I do understand your argument i don't think i have ever suggested i don't understand what your opinion is. I simply disagree with your opinion, that is all. Nothing more, nothing less.
As with our previous discussion about the protests i disagreed with you on a number of things on that topic. However, for some reason you seem to think that i am trying to wind you up for some reason.
The plain truth is that i simply disagree with your opinions on this matter. I am not sure how i am trying to wind you up in my posts?????
Furthermore, you keep on stating i want the last word with yourself. All i am doing is simply responding to your posts. If you don't want to debate this matter with me that is fine. However, if that is the case why did you send your post 41, if not to get a reply from me?
Target the Organ Grinder not the monkey.
BK got rid of Walter coz of pressure by fans, aimed at him (Bill)
Targeting Moyes might make you feel better and, yes it ' could ' make Moyes have a re-think, but I won't hold my breath.
Probably all it might do, but won't, because Kenwright couldn't even get that right, is bring a response along the footballing lines of ' you expect protests at mid term Governments, it the nature of the beast '.
And this will be one of the few times when the usually dreaded ' Chairman's vote of Confidence ' doesn't result in the sack 2 weeks later.
Kenright will not sack himself, that has to come from the Board... and how many shares do Kenwright and his cronies hold??
BK got rid of Walter coz of pressure by fans, aimed at him (Bill)
Targeting Moyes might make you feel better and, yes it ' could ' make Moyes have a re-think, but I won't hold my breath.
Probably all it might do, but won't, because Kenwright couldn't even get that right, is bring a response along the footballing lines of ' you expect protests at mid term Governments, it the nature of the beast '.
And this will be one of the few times when the usually dreaded ' Chairman's vote of Confidence ' doesn't result in the sack 2 weeks later.
Kenright will not sack himself, that has to come from the Board... and how many shares do Kenwright and his cronies hold??
Post of the decade Steve.
There is nothing wrong with wanting change but this debate about the chairman is so stupid and just shows how thick fans can be when your passions takes over what are possibly reasonable people. BK has made mistakes, he and everybody agrees, but please look at what?s on offer, or shall I say isn?t on offer.
First, BK doesn?t own EFC ? he is just the major shareholder at 28% that means another 72% is available, so this theory of him not selling is totally rubbish ? he doesn?t have control and should a prospective buyer wish to take control of EFC, they have many ways to do so with or without BK's approval.
My next point is also so obvious but it?s forgotten by so many: Who will take over? Nobody has ever made a solid offer to purchase EFC in the last 5 years, not even an individual or consortium has publically expressed major intent!!
The main reason for this is simple to me, even as a life-long fan and season ticket holder all my life: we are a crap investment. EFC revenue streams are too low, fan base and marketing potential far too parochial, and due to the poor infrastructure and lack of investment over the last 20 years, major cash injection is needed (hundreds of millions) to put us on par with teams 5/6 th in the league.
BK can resign tomorrow as Chairman and be a silent majority and another person can take the thankless task of running a business that can?t cover its outgoings. My point is clear as day: unless major investment is achieved, it doesn?t matter who is Chairman as the status quo still exists; solve this conundrum then the question answers itself. If you ignore it, then you all you are doing is making it a personal attack on Bill Kenwright, and sadly when it becomes the latter, everybody loses ? fans, club and team. COYB
Alan, as the controlling shareholder he and his yes men do have vital control over the club, any purchase of shares needs to be agreed by the shareholders so you still think BK and co wouldn't have an influence? Maybe you could bring it up at the AGM...... erm you can't anymore as BK banned them.
Revenue streams at Everton are shite, three guesses who is responsible for those as Chairmen of the club and employer of consecutive CEOs and ultimately responsible for the business strategy? BK has had over 10 years, taking a club on with no debt through an era of untold previous wealth in the Sky years and we have the smallest squad in the EPL, we don't have the largest wage bill and have record debts. Alan who else would you like to blame for all of these if not BK? It doesn't take a billionaire to run a successful business, just one with vision and ability, BK has neither.
Revenue streams at Everton are shite, three guesses who is responsible for those as Chairmen of the club and employer of consecutive CEOs and ultimately responsible for the business strategy? BK has had over 10 years, taking a club on with no debt through an era of untold previous wealth in the Sky years and we have the smallest squad in the EPL, we don't have the largest wage bill and have record debts. Alan who else would you like to blame for all of these if not BK? It doesn't take a billionaire to run a successful business, just one with vision and ability, BK has neither.
How do we know Kenwright's a true blue. He's a fuckin' actor for god's sake.....and a proven liar. I don't normally believe in conspiricy theories but as an agent of Green this is begining to look like one
Is it really up to BK wether he sells? I'm afraid that the real control is with Earl and Green, who are quite happy to sit back and let Bill take all of the flack. So if you are putting banners up make them say "Board Out" rather than "Kenwright out", and get rid of the lot of them.
As for Moyes he is no worse now than when he finished fifth, he has just given up. As would anyone who had to put up with the crap he has.
If the board remain in place I think he will leave, and we will return to the days of scrapping against relegation season after season. So please don't start the Moyes out campaign until the board have gone, if he can't turn things around under new direction fine, but don't let him be the scapegoat for the idiots upstairs.
As for Moyes he is no worse now than when he finished fifth, he has just given up. As would anyone who had to put up with the crap he has.
If the board remain in place I think he will leave, and we will return to the days of scrapping against relegation season after season. So please don't start the Moyes out campaign until the board have gone, if he can't turn things around under new direction fine, but don't let him be the scapegoat for the idiots upstairs.
At last someone who sees the club's ultimate failings lie with the man at the top - Mr 'Boys Pen' himself.
His list of fuck-ups is long and well documented. To those who say "he doesn't have the power to sell". It doesn't matter, it's his name above the fucking door. He shouldn't have got himself and the club into this situation.
We can bark at Moyes for an eternity but until the board are totally removed, we will not progress.
His list of fuck-ups is long and well documented. To those who say "he doesn't have the power to sell". It doesn't matter, it's his name above the fucking door. He shouldn't have got himself and the club into this situation.
We can bark at Moyes for an eternity but until the board are totally removed, we will not progress.
Mr Pugh
Which "season after season" are you referring to, here?
I've not been around since 1888 but started watching in 1960 and can't recall many relegation battles.
Which "season after season" are you referring to, here?
I've not been around since 1888 but started watching in 1960 and can't recall many relegation battles.
Gavin, EFC as a business spends more than it takes in due to the nature of the business we are in. This problem can only be solved by selling players, higher revenue (increase tickets etc) or by an investor.
The players are the largest creditors by a mile ? especially since we broke our salary cap ? and basically as the company infrastructure in its current format will never allow this gap to be bridged, then we have to sell off assets.
The status quo now is simple: other than the players, we have very little assets to borrow against and those lives have been used up. The only way we can increase revenue by a large percentage is by investment into the infrastructure (stadium) but we can?t do this as we have no money; chicken and egg scenario.
In the current climate its doesn?t matter who is chairman ? we have no money or assets. BK's alleged backers are businessmen; I honestly don?t believe PG is involved at all but they would sell given the chance... that chance has to date never arisen.
BK is not the main problem: it?s the Porfit & Loss of EFC Co Ltd that is ? we are not a Man Utd and people need to realise that. The problems we face now are the same as the Kings Dock episode ? we don?t have the capital to invest... and this has been ongoing since 1990.
Getting rid of Kenwright doesn?t change our predicament at all unless new owners have sustancial cash to invest ? that?s why this whole campaign is worthless and we will all lose if we follow this small-minded attitude. I agree, BK is not the answer but unless we have a Plan B then it?s pointless, surely everybody can see that? COYB
Alan,
How much he wants for the club would be a defining factor in how sellable a club is. How much is it for sale for?
Protesting against the liar could drive the price down, and someone then might be interested. Everything has its price.
How much he wants for the club would be a defining factor in how sellable a club is. How much is it for sale for?
Protesting against the liar could drive the price down, and someone then might be interested. Everything has its price.
Alan, you may not agree, but I clearly recall the anger of the fans being a significant factor in forcing Peter Johnson to sell. I think you underestimate the potential power of the fans to at least make things very uncomfortable for Kenwright. And that is part of a very long Everton tradition... where's my John Moores quote ? the one on that old Everton video about not tolerating things when they are not good enough.
The problem 11 years ago was two-fold: (1) the highly inflated price being asked; (2) and the lack of anyone willing to pay it. Thus it took over a year before Bill Kenwright finally wore PJ down to the point where he agreed a sale.
We could be seeing history repeat itself... but it may need that big push from the fans to get things moving.
The problem 11 years ago was two-fold: (1) the highly inflated price being asked; (2) and the lack of anyone willing to pay it. Thus it took over a year before Bill Kenwright finally wore PJ down to the point where he agreed a sale.
We could be seeing history repeat itself... but it may need that big push from the fans to get things moving.
Well said, Michael,
If Kenwright feels he can't show his face at Goodison, he'll be off like a shot.
The value he's asking will be reduced further, so he can get out.
If he isn't in control of a sale, it may flush out the shadowy figures, and then we can pressure them too.
I want my club back.
If Kenwright feels he can't show his face at Goodison, he'll be off like a shot.
The value he's asking will be reduced further, so he can get out.
If he isn't in control of a sale, it may flush out the shadowy figures, and then we can pressure them too.
I want my club back.
If you are looking for Kenwright then tune in to Vintage TV on Sky 369. He lloks very pleased about himself commenting on Show Business. Didn't see the 'Blue Scarf' around his neck.
Maybe he has already gone and that is why Moyes looks so down hearted.
Just a thought
Maybe he has already gone and that is why Moyes looks so down hearted.
Just a thought
Michael, thats a big gamble and if the new owners prove to be the same as Pompy's then its a very expensive gamble with our club. BK can just resign as Chairman and alllow others to take the stage, he doesn't need to be front of house to get a return. I understand what are you saying but I honestly feel even in our current state the gamble is too high and better to stick with what we have for the near future anyway. Let's hope 3 points tonight to ease the worry. COYB
Phil, are you telling me that you don't remember any relegation battles in the years before Moyes took chare?
There is no doubt the tide of opinion is turning againsy BK and his buddies,and he knows it which is why he will try and pull rabbit out of the hat this transfer window- something along the lines of the silly game the new blackburn owners are playing in the media with the washed up Ronaldinho!!!
Alan #90, BK has systematically sold off or remortgaged every single asset Everton owned. As a clear definition of his inability to grasp the most obvious of marketing and profitable avenues. Think back to the Capital of Culture, not only did Everton not grasp it they closed their retail premises and only at the very last moment agreed that a new presence in the Liverpool One complex would be a profitable exercise. The largest influx of tourism in the city of Liverpool probably since the end of the second World War, one which didn't happen overnight and was awarded way in advance of it actually happening and the club did nothing.
I'm no marketing genius but to say that wasn't an opportunity missed is foolhardy, even a twelve month lease on premises for the duration with a view to extension should it prove fiscally worthy would have been more prudent. BK did nothing. You correctly claim our income streams are poor, I'm not the Chairman of Everton, neither are many posters on this very website but over his tenure some valid ideas have been brooched.
Here's an off the wall which was raised back in the day when Spurs did it and raised a significant amount for team building, a share rights issue. BK then just as the DK hearings papers put in black and white denied the opportunity claiming that not one single major shareholder in Everton Football Club is willing to sell or dilute their shareholding in the club. A share rights issue could have a significant impact into the club's coffers given it is currently running at £0.00. The silence from BK and his Board is deafening.
I'm no marketing genius but to say that wasn't an opportunity missed is foolhardy, even a twelve month lease on premises for the duration with a view to extension should it prove fiscally worthy would have been more prudent. BK did nothing. You correctly claim our income streams are poor, I'm not the Chairman of Everton, neither are many posters on this very website but over his tenure some valid ideas have been brooched.
Here's an off the wall which was raised back in the day when Spurs did it and raised a significant amount for team building, a share rights issue. BK then just as the DK hearings papers put in black and white denied the opportunity claiming that not one single major shareholder in Everton Football Club is willing to sell or dilute their shareholding in the club. A share rights issue could have a significant impact into the club's coffers given it is currently running at £0.00. The silence from BK and his Board is deafening.
Gavin, having one shop in the city centre may make enough profit to pay Arteta and Cahill wages for a week if its successful that's how small difference it will make. We had a store near central station, we closed it down because we lost money that was in the 90?d early 2000+ doesn?t make you want to build retail shops across the county does it? Very easy to use examples like that but in realistic terms EFC predicament cant be repaired by having one retail shop in the city centre. Share issues bring in small cash injections and don?t lend itself to long terms investment as they dilute the share value (hence not asked for by board). I would also question the ability of the EFC fans to support such a venture in the large numbers that is required. My best mate sits next to me with a child season ticket he is 45! How can he and others support at least £1-2k investment in to a club that realistically will not pay any dividend. We can?t even issue bond for your seat as we don?t have a queue for season tickets the supply and demand doesn?t exist sadly at Spurs it does. COYB
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Alan (99) a friend of mine runs a Sony Centre. And the fact is big brands have to be on the high street, so Sony are basically subsiding him being there. And when "Click and Collect" becomes more common (Everton store did it over Christmas) high street retailers will benefit. What I mean is, Everton are a big brand in the City, so have to be have a presence there.
In relation to a Share Issue, Arsenal have set up a "Fan Share" so that fans have a facility to basically save up to buy a share, over a number of payments over a period of time. Their shares are a lot more than ours, so maybe this will be the way to go.
Colin (100) I detect your sense of humour, nice one. I wonder if any snooker players will make a comment after another 45 have been placed.
In relation to a Share Issue, Arsenal have set up a "Fan Share" so that fans have a facility to basically save up to buy a share, over a number of payments over a period of time. Their shares are a lot more than ours, so maybe this will be the way to go.
Colin (100) I detect your sense of humour, nice one. I wonder if any snooker players will make a comment after another 45 have been placed.
Michael, do I detact then that you are behind this idea?
Is toffeeweb prepared to be the platform for any protests or would this be to one sided?
I personally do not want to see protests and banners, but i think its the only resort we have. Also with the publicity it would get, maybe it would unearth some potential buyers.
Why was my post (62) deleted?
Is toffeeweb prepared to be the platform for any protests or would this be to one sided?
I personally do not want to see protests and banners, but i think its the only resort we have. Also with the publicity it would get, maybe it would unearth some potential buyers.
Why was my post (62) deleted?
Alan #23, I'm still sat behind the goal in Gwladys Street waiting for Spurs' 3rd goal to go in. What do you suggest I do? Do you want me to bring the 'Moyes and Kenwright OUT' flags back or should I just burn them where I sit?
i still love the yak
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