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If we don't beat Blackpool, Moyes must resign
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If Everton don't beat Blackpool tomorrow, Moyes should be honest with himself, do the decent thing, and resign... and let someone else get us out of this mess.
The lack of finance is no excuse for where we are in the league and Moyes himself stated at the start of the season that we had an excellent squad.
His substitutions the other night were again pointless, stupid and ineffective. He took Coleman off after he had just won a corner and then a few minutes later Jags got the ball on the right side and crossed it out of play. Moyes is a useless tactician and unable to see what needs to be done.
Blackpool were beaten again the other night and should be there for the taking. So no excuses Moyes, either get us the win we desperately need... or go!
Ged Dwyer, Posted 04/02/2011 at 14:36:52
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If Moyes went, we would go down!
Moyes said he though he had a great squad, so did a lot of fans, we are playing better football but no fecker is putting the ball in the net. Our top scorer has been missing for a month and come home with an injury. If we had money we wouldn't feel these problems so much.
he took Coleman off becayse he was playing gash and was in Clichy's arse pocket for 99% of his time on the pitch. The lads who went the match confirmed that Pip signalled to come off so can't argue with that one. Feck knows about Vic, he is cack.
"Should be there for the taking" - fecking stupid comment, they are above us in the league and we have been playing cack, so why are they there for the taking?
He will never resign, he is on too much money.
One thing you can guarantee with Blackpool is a certain naïvety. They'll come to attack from the off and not simply sit back and try to keep things tight. That should suit us seen as though we've real struggled to break teams down at home this season when we've been expected to make the running. Then again, I say that more in hope than belief as I can't actually remember the last time we scored a goal from a quick breakaway/ counterattack either!
You are kidding yourself to say lack of finance is an excuse. We were in this mess before the January window, before we sold Pienaar (Pienaar should have been tied up with a new contract 2 years ago but dithering Dave was still deciding if he was any good or not!).
'Organise protests against Kenwright' should be done but that isn't going to help our league position. Our league position is Moyes's fault and it was he who said we had a great squad at the start of this season. Wake up Simon and don't believe everything you read in the press!
"should be there for the taking" - fecking stupid comment,
I take it from your comment that you think we can't beat Blackpool. So who can we beat? Let's just come out with nonsense until we get relegated. Well done mate. Well done.
John, it's all so predictable isn't it? I call us the charity side of the Premier League. Whenever a team is going through a bad spell, you can rely on us to give them the points.
I'm just an Evertonian who cares deeply about the club and wants something done now until it's too late. You might want to bury your head in the sand but I don't.
'You are kidding yourself to say lack of finance is an excuse. We were in this mess before the January window, before we sold Pienaar'
Yes, and why were we in this mess?
Because we haven't signed any new players for actual money without selling players for years.
I can assure you I am wide awake ? what do you think Moyes was supposed to say last summer? If he'd told the truth he'd have been accused of lack of ambition, of having a dour manner, of not having optimism.
Stop pinning everything on Moyes ? to the point of asking a man who has worked miracles over the past 9 years to resign! ? and keep sight of the true overriding reason why we are in the shit.
Hmmm... so by that logic the huge finances of teams at the top of the league has nothing to do with their position either?
I think you'll find it has.
No one was saying that at the start of the season, everyone was saying they were happy with the squad, especially the manager. Finance has been brought up again because of were we are and Moyes has to take a large share of the blame.
I'm quite worried about Everton's future from the summer beyond; I can't see us having the money to invest in the team like we desperately need and I get the feeling that one or two of our better players might've had enough and want to go elsewhere where they could have a chance of winning things and playing in the Champions League.
I hope we can keep the core of our side and get rid of certain players and tweak the team a bit for the better and then maybe we could kick on and have a better season of it next time round.
However to simply say we should beat them....why? Where is the evidence that a team below another one should beat them? Surely due to league standings and our last game also being a loss that we are there for the taking then?
The shite got themselves out of trouble by changing manager before they spent the £50 million or more. Spot the difference!
The finance problem is there, granted, and that's an excuse for not getting into the top 6 but not for being 3 points off the drop zone. Don't mix the two together.
Yes we've been disappointing against other teams, especially at home, but does that mean Moyes should resign and who else would we get? There's a bracket of top managers that is very small and in reality we couldn't afford any of them nor would they want to come. We're probably the only people in world football who don't think Moyes belongs in that bracket.
If Moyes goes, the few good players that are left will follow him out the door. He's normally responded well to adversity in the past, here's to a cup run and a flying start to next season.
All this moaning about finances, we've never had any money in our recent past but that doesn't mean we haven't had a fine Premier League team for the past 8 years.
To be honest would anyone be really happy if a sheikh came along and bought everything so that we were derided in the same way as Man City but 'won' everything and felt good in our propaganda war against the RS?? I'd rather build our way there, start again if we had to, buying it would feel cheap.
Rodwell, with his ten bob head, couldn't clear a ball and put a great chance wide from... you gussed it, five yards.
If the players actually did their job properly we wouldn't be discussing the dreaded "R" word on here.
Agreed - but Moyes was happy with his strikers at the start of the season and was happy to play one up front against the lesser teams at Goodison who we failed to beat. His team selections and substitutions have held us back and not helped us. He must take the blame as any manager should.
I was at the Arsenal game the other night. We played good football; indeed, for the first 15 minutes, Arsenal hardly got a kick and then started play acting and winding the ref up as they got frustrated. Fabregas should have gone for what he did on the pitch never mind the tunnel.
We didn't lose that game because of the substitions, we lost it through poor defending. Then, when we had to chase the game, we had the likes of VA and LO to come on, whilst they had a game changer, Arshavin. In other words, they can afford the type of player who can make an impact and we can't.
That's not Moyes fault, that's BS Billy's. He's the one who should be going, not Moyes. But cheer up, Ged: I'm pretty convinced you'll get your wish in the Summer. BS Billy can then try to gamble on another unproven manager from the lower divisions or a tinpot from abroad and I don't see that strategy working twice.
So our best midfielder is struggling badly and we have no strike power to speak of. The difference is that other clubs will go and spend in these situations, we just cant. Moyes has to make do.
Funds are absolutely the key ingredient,
He'll probably last till the summer when an "amicable settlement" will be reached, what a dire few months await.
Spot on. Arsenal should sign up Stevie G because he would fit nicely into their over dramatic playacting shite. Totally agree with the fact that we have nobody who can change the game, not a sausage. The players that kick off are the best we have - so, if we are losing then we are fucked.
Ged #5. Please. "Dithering Dave"!! - Pienaar wanted out and there was jack shit that Moyes could do about that. I think it's obvious that Pienaar is a money man ? we support EFC; football is his living.
Going to places like the Emirates, which has a worse atmosphere than GP (now that is bad), allows the away support to sing and Moyes's name was chanted with gusto and passion.
The Jag's substition was fairly predictable ? Neville was fucked and was continually getting hammered by Arshavin. Moyes obvioiusly wanted to stop this.
1) He knows that he is partly to blame for getting is into this mess, and feels its his job to get us out of it. That's the stuff he is made of.
2) He gets paid too much to jack it in. Would YOU leave a job paying £60+ grand a week?
Two reasons why he WILL NOT be sacked:
1) EFC have no money to pay Moyes out of his contract.
2) No one else wants the job.
Do you think playing Beckford from the off instead of gradually bringing him in, playing the Yak when he wasn't match fit and then dropping him after he scored and started to play well might also have something to do with it.
Arteta was fine up to the aaway game v Blackpool, we had our best spell of form v Liverpool H, Spurs A, Stoke H and Blackpool A but Moyes started changing the team around when he didn't need to. Can you remember this?
I remember it being said before the Wigan game, West Ham home and away, Spurs, Stoke away. Just to name but a few.
He ain't going anywhere for now, he'll probably want to carry us through to safety until the end of the season and then he'll perhaps go.
I fear we may draw in which case I expect Moyes to stay.
I hope he does stay. I'd love to see new owners at Everton and Moyes given some money to work with.
I remember after we lost to Blackburn 4-1 in the FA Cup in 2007 that a debate raged on here for weeks and we were told by some wise old heads that we should get in Steve Coppell (even though he was a boyhood red) or Alan Curbishley or even Mark Hughes!
Subsequently, we had a 6th place finish followed by two 5th place finishes while Coppell got relegated at Reading and quit due to being bored, Curbishley went to West Ham, spunked about £50m with the Icelanders and West Ham went backwards and into deep debt, whilst Hughes went to Man City, spent £200m, drew 7 games in a row, was a complete cock during the Lescott affair and was sacked.
That's when we do get some suggestions.
Kenwright and the Board are the problem.
Love DM or not, we will beat Blackpool because of this. Moyes has needed something to ignite our players. He's now got it. The media seem to be on Moyes's side.
What I would say to Wenger is see you next Tuesday.
Say what you will about Moyes, he's not going to run off in the middle of the night. I'm quite convinced he is committed to the players and they, in turn, appear committed to him. If anyone is getting us out of this season's mess, it's the current cast. End of.
However, based on the recent comments attributed to Moyes, it appears he (and I imagine our core players) will be looking for some 'meaningful' financial commitment from the Chairman and Board during the off-season. Of course, we have all heard such promises from this lot in the past (as has Moyes, I'm sure).
Assuming we do avoid relegation this season (first challenge) I'm fully anticipating a long and painful nail-biting summer whereby drastic changes to the squad (and management) could very well be in the offing. Whether such changes will be positive or negative will be driven largely by what (if anything) the Board is willing to do. If history is any indication, I am quite fearful of what may lie ahead for this wonderful club of ours.
The comment about Liverpool spending £50m was daft ? their net spend was zero, they merely spent the Torres abd Babbel money ? they have no more money than us. We desperately need a striker to take some chances and get 8-10 goals in the next 6/7 games. Who that is.... I haven't got a clue.
37 Karl Masters is 100% correct: it's Kenwright & Co who are the problem.
I do believe with all the comments Moyes has been coming out with the last few days regards investment and contracts for players etc etc, he has perhaps already made his mind up that this season will be his last.
By the way, I now think Wenger and Fabregas are complete arseholes and when the latter leaves at the end of the season, Wenger will be saying he was hounded out ? just watch and see.
Come on Everton ? big 3 pts required...
Moyes does have to take some of the blame for our current position. Home games against West Brom, Newcastle, Wigan for example he has waited far to long to change things up, and his substitutions are often very late and don't make sense. I don't think he will be sacked nor do I think he will resign. I also don't want him to be.
What worries me about the Blackpool game is they play a lot of good crosses around the six-yard box and we don't defend them very well. They also play an open game but I don't know if we have enough pace to hurt them on the break. That being said, I will be vocal tomorrow in support of our team.
Sorry, Ged... Moyes leaving now would be a disaster.
"Despite having a squad that cost Ziillions, this Ginger twat keeps embarrassing me, his team always plays us off the park, but I`ll spend another £70 million in the window and have another go. I asked My mate Mancini, he`s spent even more than me, but he doesn't have a scooby either. Maybe if I get my lads to boot it up to Drogba even more than they do now???
If neither of us beat the Ginger twat soon, we are gonna join forces... City will attack down the left and Chelsea down the right
Too many cling to the view that for £3.5 Million a year this man is doing us a favour. Nine years, no trophies, hoofball, dour negative shite, draws against second rate sides...
I challenge anyone to come on this site and say that David Moyes is the best our money can by, that he has earned his cash and that he is a top rate coach.
The main tennet of the media is why hasn't Fabregas been hauled in front of the FA to answer charges. I would say why hasn't Lee Mason (ref) been hauled before the beak to say if Moyes is a liar or not.
If it's true then we get the 3 points. If Moyes is a liar then he does 10,000 hours com service flipping burgers at Macs. But knowing Moyes' tactical nous he'd report to Starbucks.
Possibly Roy Hodgson... NO THANK YOU
I think you get about half a million quid per place (may have that figure wrong, correct me if I have).
Moyes has consistently finnshed best of the rest... pays for himself really.
Somebody posted we were 10th by fanbase, 11th by crowd, 12th by income... whatever. Let's say for the sake of argument our rightful place is 12th, and agree that each place above that is worth an extra £½M... Okay?
So, on this admittedly simplistic basis, Moyes "pays for himself" if we finish (3.5/½ = ) 7 places higher... i.e. 5th... Yes?
I would agree: Moyes was performing in a manner commensurate with his remuneration when we were finishing 5th. Not to say he couldn't have done better... but that would be the definition of "over-achievement". 6th... not so much.
So... last season... best of the rest at 8th??? I think not. We were at least 3 places off the pace.
And currently? 15th. Three places off the expected place of 12th based on Moyes doing absolutely nothing! And a whopping TEN places off where we should be if he was performing.
So what does that say about the "Ginger twat" this season? That he is seriously underperforming.
I say give him a chance. Every club goes for the Latino type manager and theyr'e all so predictable. What we want is something different. I may get slagged off but so be it. Bilic is my man. And dont forget he owes us....
The idea that we are somehow doomed to relegation if "Our saviour" Moyes goes is ludicrous. That's exactly the argument that used to be used to save the job of Walter Smith. Frankly if we had big money to spend, I wouldn't give it to Moyes at this point. We don't need to break yet another club record on yet another striker who can't put the ball in the net.
Without cash he can do no better except in exceptional circumstances.
This season has been bad but as has been said we have been playing well but can't score, not so far off when we won most games 1-0 and finished 4th.
The only answer for clubs like Everton is cash or the death of Sky's millions. I would prefer the latter.
Moyes said himself it was his best squad ever, and capable of challenging the top 4.
I've said it before: Moyes does well, he is hailed as a messiah because he has done it without money, we're shite, it's because Moyes doesn't have any money.
I think the fundamental problem that Moyes has is that there are now teams that can afford to constantly throw money at a problem until they stumble over a solution. Often one of the solutions they try seems to be one of our better players! I honestly believe 20 years ago Moyes could have won the league due to his astute signings from the lower leagues on a limited budget; however, the only teams who win anything nowadays are the ones who are financed by oligarchs and sheikhs.
This is a direct result of a lack of any real investment in the playing squad, in my opinion. Our players came into the season knowing that, even if they had a poor run of form, there was very little the manager could do, because the quality outside of the first eleven isn't really there. So there is no pressure on the players to perform to the max... after all, who's going to replace them? Anichebe? Ossie? Baxter? Gueye? ? Do me a favour!
I wouldn't want him anywhere near our club.
Yes he is indeed under performing... BUT:?
If we are going to use his placings as a measure for justifying his wage and indeed if we are going to use 12th place as the yard stick, then Kenwright is quids in.
For the first couple of years of his contract, he paid for himself, he cost a mere £1.5 million last season and if he recovers this season and claws his way to a probable eighth he will have cost another £1.5M.
Throw in the proceeds of a couple of European campaigns, a cup final, and millions of pounds profit made on transfer dealings (since he DM signed his contract) and it's not at all difficult to see why a non-contributing Kenwright would love him.
We could easily get a manager for half Moyes wages, but if he doesn't finish top half every season, does he not then become more expensive?
(More of which later... Dave O'Keefe has sent me some interesting stuff ahead of next week's long awaited Annual Report. Only I've lost them somewhere in my lousy Dropbox.)
Now Davey has his worst season since 05-06 having not had funds to spend without selling for about 6 transfer windows and you want him to resign? Brilliant.
The guy has his faults as all managers do but he loves Everton, stands up for us and is loyal. He will get us out of this rut. His biggest flaw recently has been he's tried to go for teams to get 3 points and we've ended up drawing. I am surprised he's persisted with this but long for a few 1-0s just to get us back up the table!
We used to get a good season followed by a bad season with Moyes now it is a bad half then a good half.
Whenever Everton reach realitive highs you can be sure that with Moyes there is a huge low around the corner.
The team has gone from 2 defeats in 24 to now 5 wins in the next 24. FIVE wins all season and we are in February ? that is not even a win per month. It is even worse as 3 of those wins came in a 4-game period, so it is 2 wins in 20 matches which is just pathetic.
A loss to Blackpool on Saturday will mean that Everton have been beaten at home by every promoted club this season.
The only way he should remain at the club is if he wins the FA Cup, I think he should be sacked in the summer and replaced with Steve McLaren.
1. Moyes lack tactical sense, does not know our best starting line up, and does not know how to change things if they are not working out.
These are not only facts, they are long-standing facts.
Better than Smith? Yes. But then pubic lice are better than testicular cancer, so that does not get us very far.
2. We are skint. Can't offer the wages to keep the likes of Pienaar (who played like a superstar the first half of this season IMHO). Can't afford to bring in replacements of equal or better quality.
Doesn't much matter whether this is Kenwright's fault or not ? either way, we are up the creek without a paddle. Unless someone buys him out, we will be skint for the foreseeable future.
3. There are better managers out there, O'Neill for one, but no-one who can turn a pig's ear into a silk purse without the financial input.
Everton revival? Yes please, but without money we are whistling in the dark.
4. Players under performing? Fucking right. They do not believe in us. The fans, we don't believe in us. Moyes does not believe in us. Kenwright? Don't get me started.
And?
And nothing. We won't go down. Not because we are too good, but because there are too many teams who are even worse. Kenwright won't solve the financial situation, Moyes won't suddenly solve the tactical situation.
And?
And nothing. We'll scrape through the season, stay up, lose a couple of players, and sink further into the mediocrity that is the bottom half of the Premier League.
Happy ending in sight? Sorry, but no.
Brian Waring (#58) ? I was one of the people who thought that we were dark horses for the league, but I knew we needed to sign a striker and a right mid, and when we didn't we were trusting to luck, which of course we didn't get. Even allowing for his faults, it is scarcely Moyes?s fault that two of his big players, Saha & Arteta would suffer such a massive loss of form, and with a pitifully thin squad, that he was unable to call on players to replace them.
We can judge Moyes on the team he puts out against Blackpool. If he plays a typical Moyes negative style of 4-5-1 I say we should get him the fuck out of our club before he does any more damage.
STOP the long distance jaunts and concentrate the pre-season in Europe against proper opposition which would be cheaper and more beneficial. I for one never believed we had a particularly strong squad at the start of the season and expressed concern at the lack of adequate cover for Baines. Now we have lost 50% of our best attacking option in Pienaar again without adequate cover. The fact is we have a threadbare squad with NO YOUNGSTERS COMING THROUGH.
Rodwell has not improved whilst some players have gone backwards eg; Yak and Arteta.... DM is working with very little support with what he has!! We have no alternatives if players lose form, get injured or become jaded. I'm afraid that all we have is effort and hope... if we stumble through this season and avoid relegation ? what about next season and beyond???
Is it Kenwright's fault too that Moyes has wasted 10 million pounds on Bily, who can hardly get in the team? He could have signed a pacy alternative and we might look dangerous going forward. Moyes is the one who has built one of the slowest teams possible, one of our major weaknesses.
As for Moyes, his record this season is pretty appalling: 6 league wins in 25 and knocked out in the cup again by a lower league side. So no, I haven't changed my mind after one home win against Blackpool!
Today's stars were undoubtedly Saha and Fellaini but a few others weren't far behind. Good to see Cahill fit enough for the bench and also Jags coming back. We need Jags at the back. Heitinga is able but not as good as Jags.
What is needed now is a run of games with victories to push us up the table. It started this time last year so maybe it's deja vu.
Interesting that it's 'only' on here that between 10-12 regular moaners just keep repeating the same negative nonsense.
Hilariously, the irony is he's going nowhere, so much as it's tempting to spring to his defence, it's sometimes more amusing to watch you salivate with such wonderfully-unfulfilled frustration.
Still, Di Matteo's free now... let's get him in quick eh?
Moyes has done well,no argument there but after 9 years should we not expect more than what this season has produced? They could keep him another 9 years and achieve nothing but you just know that he will skip to a money club as soon as the offer comes along unless we obtain a big investor.
Before this season, Moyes seemed to be making a silk purse out of a sow's ear but it's all fallen flat this season so far. Let's not get carried away by yesterday's rather peculiar win. We will need a few more in the coming weeks to turn things around and hope before next season that investor comes in.
Firstly the reality check is that being £30M in the red is because Everton turnover only £75M a year (whereas Man U turnover £1BN)... so, if we want to compete money-wise, Kenwright needs to find a buyer with very deep pockets. So which Arab prince, Russian oligarch, or Yank billionaire do we want and will they know where Everton even is? Accept the situation Everton can't sell because there are no buyers willing to piss £50M a year in the wind.
Secondly, Moyes is the most successful British manager based on results against each pound spent, so trust to his skills.
Thirdly, unless you feel a top 4 finish is our right, recognise we are only 7 points off 6th place with a game in hand ? providing the Shite don't win at the Bridge. And we all know where those points went ? in games where we dominated.
So I am proud that we are the most financially honest and British club out there and rather than blaming Moyesy for a point dropped here and there, I applaud him for competing against all the top teams this year and wish him better luck in the games we dominate.
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You are kidding yourself when you say the lack of finance is 'no excuse for where we are in the league'.
We lost one of our best players and never replaced him.
We weakened the squad further by loaning out two strikers to lessen the wage bill.
Every other team around us or below us have strengthen their squads in the past few weeks.
Some of them, such as Villa with their new £24m striker Bent, have already overtaken us.
If Blackpool beat us, and we as fans want to do something, we'd be better off finally organising some long needed form of protests and/or action against Kenwright & Co, in an effort to finally end the malaise we find ourselves in due to the board and chairman's inaction. Far more could be done to attract investment/buyers into this club, because far lesser clubs are getting money in, and it's not all linked to modern stadia.