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To quote David Moyes: ?If you really support a football club, your patience never runs out,? he says. ?You stick with it. Some clubs go into administration, others have to go down to come back up. You don't turn your back on them.?
This may well be true, Davey, but we also need something to support.
I grew up watching the crap of the 90s under Walker, Smith, etc and I've seen plenty of relegation dogfights. However, the really worrying thing this season, is there feels there is nothing there to support.
There is no usual passion from the players, there are no crunching tackles, no heads where the boots are flying, no socks rolled down by the ankles, no bursting runs, no taking on opponents, no shots at goal. Nothing.
Baines has put a few quality balls into the box this season, Fellaini has tried hard in a few games, Cahill got a few goals, Coleman with a few charges forward, but these are minor points I'm desperately trying to find, and something positive throughout two thirds of the season gone...
Our club is quickly going down the chute both on and off the pitch and it feels like no-one cares.
I know I have very limited football skills, but if I were on that pitch, I would run until I collapsed, then I would crawl across the turf. Where is the pride? Where is the passion? Where is the commitment?
FFS Moyes, throw a tea cup, throw a boot, drop someone (Arteta, Neville?) for a game.
The only player that runs forward is Coleman... who gets subbed, the only player with a bit of skill is Bily... who gets subbed. Sure, they may have faults but at least they can bring something to the table, like Yakubu... who gets shipped out. Players like Arteta and Heitinga are giving nothing to the team at present. Something is better than nothing.
Something will mean we can get behind the team and support them, like previously a Neville tackle, or a Big Dunc towering header.
What harm would it do to start a game at GP playing 4-3-3 with Cahill in midfield?
Give us something to cheer Davey, and we will.
Matthew Lovekin, Posted 14/02/2011 at 17:09:50
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Moyes's remarks are not a million miles away from Rooney's when Ingerland were booed off at the world cup; "That's loyal fans for yer" Yes fuckwit those same fans that pay for your Bentley and spent thousands of pounds supporting you, and they have the audacity to demand that the team put a shift in.
Out of all the mug consumers, we are unsupassed
Due to the fact that we can't keep are only in form striker healthy, more of the play has gone through Arteta and unfortunately his form has let him down, but who else has the composure or skill to act as the holding midfielder.
I was absolutely livid with Anichebe against Bolton, for a lad that has great size and strength he goes down at a slight breeze... useless! With Saha out for another couple weeks or so, it's about time that players like Gueye, Baxter and Beckford get a proper run of games. Hell, nobody else has been effective!
But like you said Matthew we need something to support after a heartless effort against Bolton and useless season thus far. COYB!!!!
I think Arteta has improved in the last 3 weeks. I continue to have this uncomfortable feeling that Heitinga is going through the motions. Granted the manager sees him train, knows what hes about etc, but to me, hes not tight to his man, wins little in the air and is not exactly Mr Hard-man in the tackle.
I hate to be on an Everton players back but he doesn't like like the seasoned international he should be. At least with Jags you get an effort. Heitingas superior distribution is of little use if we are shipping goals all of the place.
The Manager knows best but thats my opinion.
We are all crying out for someone to relate to on the pitch, there are no heroes wearing an Everton shirt anymore . We are crying out for a big Dunc charecter a player we can relate to.
What we don't need are load of shirkers who don't deserve to wear the shirt and a manger who sulks like a child.
How does the our song go - 'If you know your history' at the moment our team and manager certainly don't know it.
like his managerial style he's in a time-warp where people paint their houses in team colours and defer to all and sundry including football managers.
Fans never stop supporting their club, we're fickle, we complain, have unreal expectations, pick and choose games but supporters never give up, we're supporters till we pop our clogs.
His judgement is really suspect.
However, I'm afraid that this attitude is part of what stinks about our football club at the moment. We have a chairman safely sitting at the helm thinking "it doesn't matter how shit we get - they will keep on coming".
We deplete our playing squad to the very bones - we add no quality what-so-ever, we serve up some of the shittest football in our history - yet nobody who is in a position to do anything about it seems to give a stuff... because we still keep on paying for it. Moyes and Kenwright know it, and I believe they exploit it.
If there was a restaurant that you used to love going to, which one day served you a huge steaming turd on a plate - you wouldn't go back would you? Thus restaurants don't often serve turds on plates.
Our current regime is currently serving us the biggest, smelliest of turds - and still expect us to eat it, and then come back for more, week in week out.
I get the feeling that more and more of us are starting to turn our noses up at this shit. I wish I could. But I can't. I shall carry on eating... for now... om nom nom nom.
First we had "people should get behind the team" etc, then his next set of comments to the press were along the lines of "that was the worst performance" since he was manager... Well, Davey, that is sadly by the looks of things how things are going to be from now on, if not worse, and you can see why some people are getting fed up with it.
So those who took your words earlier on and thought, "You know what, I will go to the Bolton game and cheer the lads on, like Davey wants us to..." only to get that type of performance, just goes to show to me this regime is more interested in getting our money and delivering nothing in return.
I went to virtually every home game since 1986 but, after the 4-1 spanking at home to the mighty West Brom, I thought, "No more paying my hard-earned money just to pay for Bill Kenwright's fuck-ups".
Don't get me wrong, I will always support Everton and will return going to games once I believe the club is being honest with the people who make every club work, that being us fans.
I will still go to odd games but I will now only pick and choose which games I go to. I will not pay for anything inside the ground. The club therefore cannot rely on guaranteed income from me. I will still watch Everton on the box and on the internet. I will still go to the odd away game too. Results will still decide what kind of mood I'm going to be in for the rest of the weekend. I will still brainwash my children into supporting Everton. I will still spend too much time on this website.
I don't think I'm any less of an Evertonian for not renewing my season ticket. I'm just fucking sick of Kenwright and Moyes and Neville and I don't want to give them a guaranteed sum of money from me. Kenwright reaps what he sows.
If I'd had my way on Sunday, Bily would have been shot, not subbed. I'm sorry, but the guy is not up to the job. He struggles to control the ball when there is nobody within 10 feet of him, he consistently picks the wrong option (dribbling when he should pass, passing when he should drive on with the ball).
And as for Yak: much as I like the guy, show me a lazier footballer in the Premiership currently? He's basically been the same at every club he's played at: starts well, tails off quickly and alarmingly.
Slam the players for a lack of effort sure, but don't then hold up 2 of the worst examples as some kind of damning indictment of Moyes' managerial abilities when he loses patience with them.
He is repeating what 90% of us say on here day in day out, especially ones who tell others to go and support someone else if they don't like it.....but oh no, it's Moyes, he must be a prick for saying that.....hang on, isn't that what we are all saying? Nahhh, it's Moyes so it's cause to have a go.
'When does loyalty become stupidity?' and 'could loyalty actually harm the club?'
Of COURSE loyalty is generally a commendable attribute, but Moyes's statement offers only his simplistic version of loyalty - basically, if you keep coming no matter what, you're loyalty can't be questioned.
Many will fall in behind this interpretation as it's a simple, obvious, easy to follow version.
But it's not the ONLY way to show loyalty.
First of all, if you're going to be loyal, you have to ask "What EXACTLY am I being loyal to?"
Moyes, Kenwright, the players?
Not for me.
Moyes gets £65,000 a week and is out of ideas, BK I wouldn't trust as far as I could welly and the players come and go as it suits THEM.
My loyalty is to Everton football club - past, present, future.
To Everton football club 'the institution'.
And if it is my opinion that those presently at the helm are, by their actions, threatening that institution (AND IT IS!) I would consider it disloyal to Everton Football Club to say fuck all, or to keep blindly supporting the current regime.
But..that's just me.
It's that simple to me.
My post was to point out the hypocrisy of some posters. Having a go at Moyes when he is talking about loyalty.
If you can't even get your arse out the dugout to give that useless shower of shite a bollicking as they get played off the park by a gang of no-marks, then don't tell us how to support a team we'll all still support long after your gone.
So
Sack Moyes, Sack Round, Sack Holden.
Hire a manager who has got some balls and who will bring in a team of coaches with some attacking experience to work alongside Stubbs as defensive coach.
The manager should have some balls and sell every fucker that has any sort of value apart from Cahill and Baines and start again.
I wouldnt be unhappy with 10 out 10 in in the summer. The club is rancid and needs an overhaul.
I've felt like that for a couple of years now since I ditched my season ticket. I now pick and choose my games but will always be an Evertonian.
Going to the match is also linked to available finances and that will be different for everyone.
I don't know when DM made such a simplistic statement as the one referred to in the above post but, before looking at the fans he needs to take a long hard look at himself and the highly paid shambles he is responsible for on the pitch.
Loyalty may be one issue on DM's mind but the manager's competence is a higher one right now for the fans.
Paul was absolutely spot-on. Moyes often takes off the best players. Why not take Neville off, move Coleman to his natural position at right back? A much more penetrative formation. Hope he gets it right at Chelski.
I don't disagree with taking Neville off but I fail to see how moving one of our most attacking players - Coleman - to right back would be a more penetrative formation.
I hope that he can turn things around. I think that he is a good manager, but I find his stubborness very frustrating. he seems unable or unwilling to change tactics when it is clear that such changes are needed. I think that we have a good squad of players but we have a manager who does not seem able to get the best out of them.
Look at how Owen Coyle has transformed Bolton Wanderers style of play. He has used virtually the same group of players that were labelled " long ball merchants". Perhaps the best move in the transfer window would have been a manager swop - Moyes for Coyle !!!!
Dale, he took Coleman off because he was having a Weston, possibly due to tiredness of playing for Ireland midweek?
Look at Bolton Wanderers.
Yeah Coyles record is fantastic isn't it? This year his record is 2 wins (one against York) 2 draws and 5 defeats. Fecking genius tactician him.
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1 Posted 14/02/2011 at 20:20:49
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I think Arteta played well against Bolton, though.