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Have just walked past someone today that was wearing an Evertonians for Change scarf. Although i was aware of this group, i was unaware that they had produced scarfs in support of theIr campaign.
Now, being an Evertonian and having a love for all things Everton, I would like to get hold of one. I am a great believer in the smallest things can make a difference... ask my wife!
Having not got involved in any fan groups or organisations, I was also wondering if this scarf idea had done the rounds at Goodison in the past ? as I believe it would be amazing to see large numbers supporting a particular group.
I noticed on Evertonians for Change facebook page, that they are having a function tomorrow night to raise funds for there campaign; are there other groups doing this? And, if so, where and how can I become part of it?
Chris Keightley, Posted 05/05/2011 at 12:17:40
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How about a protest? No, we might look like Liverpool fans.
What about a sit in after the game? No, we might look like Liverpool fans.
What about some harmless scarfs that at least registers some annoyance towards the board? No, we might look like Liverpool fans.
What about every single season ticket holder and any other Everton fan writing to Elstone to say why we're not happy? No, we might look like Liverpool fans.
How about having a spokesperson who regulalry gets heard in the media about why our board are so shit? No, we might look like Liverpool fans.
Why don't we all just do fuck all and moan on internet forums and to our mates in the pub? YES, now you're talking, that's the Everton Way!
Whose plight was worse? Liverpool or Everton.?
Liverpool fans protested and their board changed. They're looking at buying players this summer whilst we're looking at selling ours.
Yeah don't bother with a protest, it gets you nowhere. It's much more fun on here, Tony, responding to every single post over and over offering up shit opinions.
If we took the missus out for a lovely slap-up meal and paid £150 (that's what it costs for me to go and watch a game at Goodison) and the meal was shocking, we would complain right away. Why does it take 38 games for us to realise things are getting us down?
There will be no protest at the end of the season, ticket sales are not down, and we will all turn up for more next season. I would go if we were in League Two ? Everton is more than the here and now... it's for life!!!
The media will laugh it off as will 2/3rds of our own fans.
I don't see the fans of Sheff Utd revolting in disgust, let alone us lot, especially after another top 8 finish.
Isn't that what you're doing? Show me the way to get more money in the bank, show me the way to get a world class manager, and show me a way to get world class players to sign ? and I will wear any kind of twatty scarf you offer me.
If it makes me feel better about the ongoings, on and off the field, by showing my disappointment at another lousy season, by wearing a scarf, tie pin, badge, etc, then I will because that's my right. Please don't stoop as low as to say it could compare me with gormless redshite fans.
I just don't see how me or you buying a scarf that ridicules our club can do any good. Do you honestly think Kenwright will see the yellow and blue scarfs and think, "I best pack up and get out, this is getting serious!"
The only thing this will do is fill the pockets of the scarf makers.
You saw the media's response surrounding that one large flag at Villa. Okay, it simmered out eventually but it certainly got the pundits and papers discussing it. I don't honestly believe protesting will make a jot of difference financially or will get Moyes or Kenwright to go, "Fuck this, we are off."
But it may just remind them that us supporters are here and we expect more!
Judging by your previous comments, I'd say that yes, all of this happened in your lifetime and mine too. What Alan is saying is that Liverpool have just been through the most tumultuous period in its recent history and were by all accounts only hours away from receivership. It may have been the prospect of foreclosure and the banks closing in that forced regime change; however, their fans also mobilised and ensured that Gillette and Hicks know that they were unfit custodians of the Club.
If you take off your rose-tinted spectacles, you will see that, without an AGM or any other voice to demonstrate discontent, such thing's as twatty scarfs, however unoriginal that they may appear, are a way of demonstrating collective unity. To denigrate the effort of fellow blues in my opinion is both a little disingenuous and high-handed.
I don't suggest I know the answer to what is going so wrong at our club and how to fix it; I honestly wish I did... but I do know wearing scarves isn't it.
You can get buy a scarf at www.thescarvesareawankidea.com
Good luck!
Brian
Hmmmmm..
If wearing a scarf to show the club is going backwards and that we desperately need change makes people feel good about it then good on ya!
It might not make him go but it's better than doing nothing and just moaning on forums.
The Man Utd protests have done nothing because the Glazers are still making money and Man Utd are still winning. If Kenwright hasn't found a buyer by now, then a protest isn't going to make him give it up to the first buyer he sees.
The way to get more money in the bank, get a world class manager, and to get world class players to sign, is to get rid of Kenwright and the current board.
KENWRIGHT OUT!!!
KENWRIGHT OUT.
Do you seriously think that "Kenwright Out" will solve our problems? That investors will come flooding through the door, a new stadium will magically appear and top players will want to sign.
The problem is that for whatever reason, nobody is willing to come and throw wads of cash at us - Go and ask Keith Harris how his search is going.
Making Kenwright (for all his faults) the scapegoat is just self delusion.
The point is, it is a gesture and one I'm prepared to invest a tenner (or whatever) in (nb: and I don't give a fuck who gets the money).
The alternative (ie: moan to each other on here) certainly hasn't had much effect.
Tie it round his neck and keep pulling..
Mushrooms bad, reality good.
I wouldn't give a fuck if King Kenny's missus was Knocking the scarves out on a Chad-Valley knit-o-marvel.
The fact is, If you look for a reason (excuse?) NOT to do something (ie: kopites might be making our Kenwright protest scarves'), you will ALWAYS find one (nb: as one of Britain's top lazy-arses, I speak from vast experience on finding excuses NOT to do stuff)
You seem obsessed by where the money is going, I genuinely don't give a shite. (Well ok, I WOULD give a shite if it was going to the BNP or Gaddafi but..well, it's not likely is it.)
I'm happy to spend a few quid making what I understand is a small gesture to register my feelings and...that's it.
(nb: I DO know it's nothing more than that, but it IS something as opposed to nothing).
You can make a guess that wearing these scarves will have absolutely no effect whatsoever and you'll PROBABLY be right.
But when I say bitching amongst each on TW has achieved nothing, I'm DEFINITELY right.
There IS a difference.
By the way, you know all those fellers who flog stuff around the ground ? ever wondered where THAT money goes?
Me neither.
BK does not care about you, me or any other blue; he has skin as thick as a rhino and he lies so much he actually believes the shit he speaks. I mean look at our new away kit ? he's already taking the piss himself by adopting the yellow colour as part of the Everton's approach to next season, and we pay for it.
At home games, BK has more stewards around him than the Queen would have, who do you think puts all that in place? It ain't Moyes that's for sure. Rest assured EFC know how we feel about BK, and they are more than happy that we show our negativity by wearing anti-BK scarves on match day!
That is why this board and particularly Kenwright MUST GO.
Any way at all of assisting this process is applauded by me.
The current custodians have it far too easy with no pressure from the banks, no pressure from supporters,an unexplained unallocated 21 million operating expenses a year, and a media cultivated by our "small" status chairman..
The terms of the current sale make it extremely unlikely that a sale or investment will take place and for me that is unacceptable.
KENWRIGHT OUT.
I meant to ask last week on another thread.
You seem to be in volved so hopefully you can enlighten me.
I dont understand why there has to be so many factions - EFA, KEIOC and EFC - do you guys have any fundamental differences ? if not why not all get under the same banner ?
I`m interested in following this but it entails jumping from site to site.
Would one body/action group not mean larger numbers, better coordination and easier comunication
"What good will a protest do?"
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/05/06/fan-power-wins-the-day-liverpool-fc-an-epic-swindle-part-two-100252-28643584/
I think the banks pushed those couple of twats out anyway.
Utter bollocks!
So are you saying (after reading the ENTIRE piece) the fans protests had ABSOLUTELY no effect on ANYTHING AT ALL?
KENWRIGHT OUT.
If nothing else, it would incite debate (outside of web forums) and hopefully encourage the press to start asking Kenwright some difficult questions, and dispell the myth, outside of Merseyside, that we all love Blue Bill.
And, who knows, it may snowball and unite Evertonians in the same way Eugene references the Redshite protests did.
To do nothing, is insane.
KENWRIGHT OUT!
Are you honestly saying that you think a few thousand emails to a US-based company with a few offices in London would prevent them from completing a multi-million-pound bailout if they thought there was a bucket load of money it for them? My view is that this is the start of another piece of history being rewritten by that shower that will be lapped up by those gullible enough to beleive it. Please tell me you're not one of them.
The last paragraph of this article tells you all you need to know ? and I quote " They did not ultimately evict the Americans from Anfield, the Royal Bank Of Scotland did, by taking them to court. But those fans made it increasingly difficult for the bank not to carry out the eviction."
How the fuck did the fans have a say in it? RBS wanted their money back and that's what they got. (Well nearly ? whisper it but LFC are still in debt to the RBS for about £35m... but why let facts get in the way of a nice pretty story, hey?)
Anyway, I'm all for protests to at least show the original Mr Leveraged Buyout that we aren't happy with him. I'm not sure it will do much good though.
But here is what I believe to be factual.
When their supporters saw their club was being run by self-serving shit-bags, they got organized and tried to change things.
Who deserves the credit for the fact that things DID change?
No idea (but I personally believe supporters made SOME difference).
By coincidence, we have a self-serving shitbag in charge of our club.
Basically our choices are do something or do nothing.
It really is 'our move' and if buying a scarf let's people know I'm against the regime, that's what I'll do.
(hardly the Miner's strike I know, but as I've said a couple of times now, it's something as opposed to nothing)
I am only concerned with EFC, it's safety and well being ? not some petty-minded fuckwittery about being like a set of RS fans.
Fans need to get their priorities right and go for the jugular of the board, not harp on about irrelevant shite.
Who knows, if enough support bothered, how far it might take us... One thing we do know is that this board can no longer remain in control ? otherwise, it's a ticking bomb to oblivion. Let's get our priorities right.
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