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Is our season over yet?
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That win against City has (hopelessly and unfortunately) got me thinking we could pull off another top-six finish if we win our last two, which is of course, easier said than done... but the Kopites' and the Spuds' fixtures are tough and they also have to play each other.
So, however unlikely it may be, the lads still need to be trying their hardest to win the last two games -- both against teams that have nothing riding on the games any longer. We've got seventh in the bag, even if we lose the last two, so an all-out attacking mindset would be nice and the reward could be a second finish over the Reds in the Premier League era. That home game against Chelsea could yet be a big one.
Ian Tod, Posted 09/05/2011 at 16:30:45
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Steve Guy
2 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:10:28
2 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:10:28
Have to agree with David as I ran out of straws to clutch to quite a few games ago........Yes it is.
Jamie Barlow
3 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:10:57
3 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:10:57
Ian, I think it's unlikely, but we could still finish 6th with the right results which could mean we still qualify for Europe. I know it's a 'BIG' if and I just hope the team don't give up as quickly as some people on here. It's been a very frustrating season but we can still qualify for Europe with 2 games to go so it obviously hasn't been all bad.
Brian Denton
4 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:26:58
4 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:26:58
I'll let you know when Shite have played tonight.
In the meanwhile can I have a rant? When did this stupid fashion for calling Spurs 'Spuds' start? It's fucking infantile.
In the meanwhile can I have a rant? When did this stupid fashion for calling Spurs 'Spuds' start? It's fucking infantile.
Jamie Barlow
5 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:41:23
5 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:41:23
Why spuds?
Kunal Desai
6 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:43:12
6 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:43:12
At best we'll get 4 points from the remaining two games. 55 points probably. 7th it'll be. Yes season is over.
Ray Robinson
7 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:05:19
7 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:05:19
Correct me if I'm wrong but if Liverpool still have to play Spurs, then, even if we were to win the last two games, we cannot finish above both of them. So the question is academic!
Jamie Barlow
8 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:08:16
8 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:08:16
We don't have to finish above both to finish 6th.
Andy Crooks
9 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:11:34
9 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:11:34
Clutching at straws? Our season was over early October 2010.
Ray Robinson
10 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:12:01
10 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:12:01
True! I stand corrected. Won't happen though!
Tony McNulty
11 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:14:20
11 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:14:20
Just looked - the Shite are 2-0 up. I am so tempted to write: "They think it's all over. It is now"
Oh cojones, I've gone and done it.
Oh cojones, I've gone and done it.
Jamie Barlow
12 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:15:05
12 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:15:05
And you're constantly having a pop at Moyes for being negative Andy.
Julian Wait
13 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:19:49
13 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:19:49
0-3
Fulham having a complete nightmare.
Fulham having a complete nightmare.
Dennis Stevens
14 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:13:22
14 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:13:22
Ray, you are indeed wrong. If we win our last two matches & Spurs draw with RS, & they both lose their other two matches, we would finish ahead of Spurs on goal difference & Rs would be a point behind in 7th place. Mind you, it's also mathematically possible for us to finish as low as 10th. Of course the above should be read without being aware that RS are currently 3 to the good over Fulham!
Brian Waring
15 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:24:56
15 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:24:56
Our nearest and dearest have still got an outside chance of finishing 4th.
Pat Finegan
16 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:30:53
16 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:30:53
If Spuds go tits tits up, we could be 2 points behind them on the last day when we play Chelsea and they play Brum.
Problem: in order for this to happen and have any significance, Liverpool have to overtake 4th from Sitteh. I'd rather just finish 7th and leave things the way they are.
Problem: in order for this to happen and have any significance, Liverpool have to overtake 4th from Sitteh. I'd rather just finish 7th and leave things the way they are.
Joe McMahon
17 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:45:55
17 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:45:55
Ian, sorry mate as I type this Liverpool are winning 3 0 at Fulahm.
We have fiinished 4th before, and look what happened then. We can't even compete in the Europa/Uefa cup.
We have fiinished 4th before, and look what happened then. We can't even compete in the Europa/Uefa cup.
Julian Wait
18 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:45:08
18 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:45:08
@Pat - I think I always just want to finish as high up the table as possible.
And imagine the resurgence of "this could be our year" from the RS. The expectation might just crush them again.
Plus they still have to suffer 19 from SAF so ... let's get what we can for ourselves, and not worry about the RS too much?
Finally if we're even close to 6th and 6th becomes a Europa spot, it makes those tightly lost games a lot more interesting to discuss ad nauseum alongside the impending summer transfer debacles :-P
And imagine the resurgence of "this could be our year" from the RS. The expectation might just crush them again.
Plus they still have to suffer 19 from SAF so ... let's get what we can for ourselves, and not worry about the RS too much?
Finally if we're even close to 6th and 6th becomes a Europa spot, it makes those tightly lost games a lot more interesting to discuss ad nauseum alongside the impending summer transfer debacles :-P
Jamie Barlow
19 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:51:54
19 Posted 09/05/2011 at 20:51:54
Joe, it sounds like you wouldn't want us to qualify for Europe.
Mike Green
20 Posted 09/05/2011 at 21:09:22
20 Posted 09/05/2011 at 21:09:22
Yes, yes, yes, bloody hell.
Does anyone know where the Under-18s Play-Off Final is going to be held?
Does anyone know where the Under-18s Play-Off Final is going to be held?
Joe McMahon
21 Posted 09/05/2011 at 21:08:35
21 Posted 09/05/2011 at 21:08:35
Jamie - it's just we don't have a squad capable of competing in Europe. We only just manage to finish a season with 11 fit players with no cup runs and 38 league games, and I just don't want us to get tonked in Europe and suffer all the Easy Jet jokes from gloty hunting kopites again.
Jamie Barlow
22 Posted 09/05/2011 at 21:28:58
22 Posted 09/05/2011 at 21:28:58
I just don't get it Joe. What's the point in bothering at all. Why don't we get relegated on purpose next season so we have a good chance of winning the Championship. Why bother with the League Cup or the FA Cup? We always do shite in them. It doesn't make sense.
The more we play in Europe, the better we'll get, surely. You've mentioned our knockout of the Champions League countless times but, without a terrible decision from the ref, we might have qualified and had the riches that come with it.
Nicholas Randall
23 Posted 09/05/2011 at 21:41:41
23 Posted 09/05/2011 at 21:41:41
Everton are not going to catch Liverpool. They are 5-1 up so they have won meaning Everton can get 57 points so they could catch Tottenham who have 56 points but they would have to loose both their remaining games.
Joe McMahon
24 Posted 09/05/2011 at 21:44:00
24 Posted 09/05/2011 at 21:44:00
I'm not getting into a slanging match, Jamie, it's all about opinions. You mention about the ref in the qualifier for the CL. Even if we went through, how far would we have gone with Kilbane, Bent (sadly not Darren) and Beattie?
Yes we can all fantasize and hope and wish etc, the biggest crime of all was Kenwright not even trying to support Moyes that summer to actually qualify and get in the Champions League. The twat hasn't done so since, so, every year, our manager tries to get us back into Europe with an even smaller squad than the year before.
This has all drifted on from the question of the post, which is still Yes as David Hallwood on Post 1 said. We'll have to agree to disagree with the rest Jamie.
John Audsley
25 Posted 09/05/2011 at 22:01:42
25 Posted 09/05/2011 at 22:01:42
It's all over and we've got months of speculation over who we will sign in the summer... which will include Jack Shite and Joe Fuck.
Still, better than walkin the streets, init... I just hope the freebies we get are ok.
Still, better than walkin the streets, init... I just hope the freebies we get are ok.
Dermot Ryan
26 Posted 09/05/2011 at 22:02:02
26 Posted 09/05/2011 at 22:02:02
We're nailed on for 7th. A squad a year older. Can't think of any grounds for celebration except Coleman coming on. Apart from that, I think we are a weaker team now than at the end of last season.
Major investment and/or sales and purchases needed over the summer.
Moyes is husbanding fairly poor resources very well, but because of lack of investment, we are getting further and further away from realistically challenging for and being able to compete in the Champions League.
Major investment and/or sales and purchases needed over the summer.
Moyes is husbanding fairly poor resources very well, but because of lack of investment, we are getting further and further away from realistically challenging for and being able to compete in the Champions League.
Ian Tod
27 Posted 09/05/2011 at 22:27:21
27 Posted 09/05/2011 at 22:27:21
Well, that was me told with Liverpool's result... finish sixth above Spurs, anyone?
Gavin Ramejkis
28 Posted 09/05/2011 at 22:59:26
28 Posted 09/05/2011 at 22:59:26
Ian now that Galen from Planet of the Apes is fucked it would be nice if we could finish above that slimy twat Rednapp. We'd have to play our next two games for 90 minutes with the same fight we saw second half against Man Shitty.
James Flynn
29 Posted 09/05/2011 at 22:53:22
29 Posted 09/05/2011 at 22:53:22
6th is there to be had until it isn't.
COYB
COYB
Martin Cutler
30 Posted 09/05/2011 at 23:06:04
30 Posted 09/05/2011 at 23:06:04
Ignoring that we'd prefer The Shite to get relegated... if they beat Spurs on Saturday and prior to that Spurs lose to City .... both results well attainable. We would "only" have to beat West Brom (possible) and then Chelsea (that's the sticking point) and it would mean Spurs would have to beat (at least draw) with Brum.
So, in terms of what we expected, yes, our season is over... but it's still possible for us to qualify for the Europa. Fingers crossed.
Andy Crooks
31 Posted 09/05/2011 at 23:23:12
31 Posted 09/05/2011 at 23:23:12
Jamie, particularly@22. The league was over in October. Our exit from the FA Cup was the lowest point in Moyes reign but the League Cup has never seemed to interest him. Why? We will never qualify, under the current regime, for the Champions League again. We must look at the two knockout competitions and treat them with priority.
In my view, top ten with a cup is better than 7th with nothing. This is where we are now. Top ten with a cup is achievable.
Nick Entwistle
32 Posted 09/05/2011 at 23:46:26
32 Posted 09/05/2011 at 23:46:26
Christ sake, what is it with Liverpool and Europe. Has Harry taken a back hander?
Jamie Barlow
33 Posted 09/05/2011 at 23:51:55
33 Posted 09/05/2011 at 23:51:55
Andy, you never mentioned the league being over in October. You said our season was over. I fail to see how our season could be over in October when even after Liverpool's win tonight, we could still qualify for Europe. I'm not daft enough to think we will but mathematically we still can.
I don't know which cup exit you mean but I'd have a rethink if you're talking about the Reading game being the lowest point of Moyes's reign. There's been far worse. As for the rest, show me an Evertonian who wouldn't take a cup and 10th over 7th and nothing. It goes without saying.
Steven Pendleton
34 Posted 10/05/2011 at 00:56:20
34 Posted 10/05/2011 at 00:56:20
Just let it go, Ian. I would rather not make Europe in that Mickey Mouse competition that is the Europa League and dream of a tilt next season. And yes, Riquelme will be part of the squad next season!!
Brendan O'Doherty
35 Posted 10/05/2011 at 01:15:06
35 Posted 10/05/2011 at 01:15:06
Yes the RS boom-bust cycle is well underway again.
Currently they are in the "Wait till next season " phase (Jan - May) which is the long climb back from bust to the peak of the boom.
This is followed by the "This is our year" phase (June - August) when they are convinced they have the best players in every position and the peak of the boom is reached. This is helped by the fact that no football is actually being played.
Phase 3 is known as "It's on!", and is the Sep - Oct period when the realisation slowly begins to creep in that they are nowhere near as good as they thought they were.
Finally, phase 4 (Nov - Dec) when the last remnants of their title challenge die out and the full bust position is reached by Christmas at the latest.
Repeat ad infinitum...
Currently they are in the "Wait till next season " phase (Jan - May) which is the long climb back from bust to the peak of the boom.
This is followed by the "This is our year" phase (June - August) when they are convinced they have the best players in every position and the peak of the boom is reached. This is helped by the fact that no football is actually being played.
Phase 3 is known as "It's on!", and is the Sep - Oct period when the realisation slowly begins to creep in that they are nowhere near as good as they thought they were.
Finally, phase 4 (Nov - Dec) when the last remnants of their title challenge die out and the full bust position is reached by Christmas at the latest.
Repeat ad infinitum...
Dalziel Kane
36 Posted 10/05/2011 at 01:27:12
36 Posted 10/05/2011 at 01:27:12
I wasn't aware that our excellent neighbors won tonight, sorry to hear that. Never mind... City for the Champions League place and yet enough year of nothing at Anfield so fuck them quite honestly.
Everton on 51 look good for 7th place, so I'm guessing that's it for this season: had it's moments, the Reading embarrassment thankfully moved out of focus quickly. Moyes has had nine years now, and although done a good job with limited resources, has not won any actual bona fide silverware.
What's next season going to bring? I wish I knew. Everybody enjoy the summer vacations.
Everton on 51 look good for 7th place, so I'm guessing that's it for this season: had it's moments, the Reading embarrassment thankfully moved out of focus quickly. Moyes has had nine years now, and although done a good job with limited resources, has not won any actual bona fide silverware.
What's next season going to bring? I wish I knew. Everybody enjoy the summer vacations.
Adolf Ng
37 Posted 10/05/2011 at 07:34:45
37 Posted 10/05/2011 at 07:34:45
The shite beat Fulham 5-2, and so it now means that we have a more realistic chance to take over Spurs for the 6th place (they still have to face Sitteh and the shite). According to the rules, 6th place will be given a Europa League place only: (1) Man City fails to qualify for CL; and (2) Man City wins the FA Cup. Given the current circumstance, it is more likely that the Shite will get the CL place rather than Spurs (which is in a slump). Do you want that scenario? Well...
Paddy Francis
38 Posted 10/05/2011 at 09:38:44
38 Posted 10/05/2011 at 09:38:44
Brendan (#35), does no other's team's "cycle" remind you of the one you set out for the RS?!
"Currently they are in the "Wait till next season " phase (Jan - May) which is the long climb back from bust to the peak of the boom.
This is followed by the "This is our year" phase (June - August) when they are convinced they have the best players in every position and the peak of the boom is reached. This is helped by the fact that no football is actually being played."
Remember the many many posts on this site a little over 9 months ago predicting (gulp) a title challenge?! And, no doubt, the same voices will be out in force again in a couple of month's time too!
"Currently they are in the "Wait till next season " phase (Jan - May) which is the long climb back from bust to the peak of the boom.
This is followed by the "This is our year" phase (June - August) when they are convinced they have the best players in every position and the peak of the boom is reached. This is helped by the fact that no football is actually being played."
Remember the many many posts on this site a little over 9 months ago predicting (gulp) a title challenge?! And, no doubt, the same voices will be out in force again in a couple of month's time too!
Anthony Hawkins
39 Posted 10/05/2011 at 13:02:33
39 Posted 10/05/2011 at 13:02:33
The answer is that Spurs have to lose ALL of their final three games.
Man City (A)
Liverpool (A)
Birmingham (H)
Whilst I can see Spurs losing two of the three, losing to Birmingham at home would be a massive surprise.
Add into the mix that Everton would have to win their last two games:
WBA (A)
Chelsea (H)
it's all theoretically possible and will come down to two highly charged final games of the season. If only it were in our own gift.
Man City (A)
Liverpool (A)
Birmingham (H)
Whilst I can see Spurs losing two of the three, losing to Birmingham at home would be a massive surprise.
Add into the mix that Everton would have to win their last two games:
WBA (A)
Chelsea (H)
it's all theoretically possible and will come down to two highly charged final games of the season. If only it were in our own gift.
Tony J Williams
40 Posted 10/05/2011 at 13:22:36
40 Posted 10/05/2011 at 13:22:36
It's fickle I know but I wouldn't mind seeing Spurs finish 6th and not qualify for Europe, Hate Awwry and I would like to see his new sub, Pienaar sitting on the bench wondering what he has done.. Could have been playing all the games a season instead of waiting for the Worthless Cup to get a game.
The only down side is that the Shite would have to have to finish 5th and we wopuldn't hear the last of the King Kenny chants.....wankers
The only down side is that the Shite would have to have to finish 5th and we wopuldn't hear the last of the King Kenny chants.....wankers
Brendan O'Doherty
41 Posted 10/05/2011 at 14:52:56
41 Posted 10/05/2011 at 14:52:56
Can't see that happening this time Paddy (#36). Last year we had all that 24 year rule business, but since then a huge dose of realism has set in for many. There will be no boom for us again without any dosh. Whereas you can bet that as soon as Dalglish gets his job permanently the rot will set in again across the park, and the present boom will turn to bust.
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1 Posted 09/05/2011 at 19:05:41
A. Yes