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Don?t sign ?Dick? Barton
232 Comments: I have just heard that Joey Barton has been released from Newcastle on a free at the same time Sky Bet have made us 5/2 on for us to sign him. For all our financial problems and relatively threadbare squad I hope and pray we don?t move in for this idiot. I don?t care if he was as good as he thinks he is, remember he proclaimed himself to be the best midfielder in England at some point last season! It would be a massive error to sign him.
The fact is the guy is clearly a corrosive character that has been committed of assault in the City Centre, attacked a 15-year-old Evertonian and stubbed a cigar (or was it a cigarette) out on a teammate's face whilst at City. I don?t care what arguments are made about us needing a combative midfielder ? we don?t need someone that combative.
Ed Fitzgerald, Posted 01/08/2011 at 16:27:43
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I have just heard about Barton.
As it stands I'd take Barton, we could do with a hardman in Midfield
Gavin, bingo!
The fiver's ringfenced/ in the post (doesn't blink an eye)
I'd have Barton and Bellamy - couldn't call us characterless then.
I've never gone with this saintly approach to players the best one's always seem to be egomaniacs or head cases - always thought that was why coaches got paid so much - to deal with it.
The fiver's ringfenced/ in the post (doesn't blink an eye)
I'd have Barton and Bellamy - couldn't call us characterless then.
I've never gone with this saintly approach to players the best one's always seem to be egomaniacs or head cases - always thought that was why coaches got paid so much - to deal with it.
I'd take Barton, but even though he is on a free, prove too much for us. We couldn't get Ba and Larsson (if we were ever after that is).
The signing-on fee and agents fee for Barton would probably cost around £1 - 1.5 million. Then say £55k-65k a week over 4 years. That would cost us around £12 million for his services. No wonder clubs are skint with free transfers such as this.
We don't need Barton or any other CM ? that's the one area we are well covered. I would rather see Barkley given a chance than have Barton block his progress.
Joey Barton can leave Newcastle on a free, is he worth a look at?
Barton on a free. Yes or no? Simple as that, folks.
Joey Barton available on a free. I know, I know...l oads of you will hate this... but if we can scrape his wages together he will be a quality addition to the side. I'm sure Moyes, Neville, Jags etc will help to keep him in line. Beggars can't be choosers!
Go on... attack me now!!
No, no, no, no, no, no and NO!
He's more of a twat than Bellamy, Gerrard and Emlyn Hughes all rolled into one.
NOT an Evertonian.
He's more of a twat than Bellamy, Gerrard and Emlyn Hughes all rolled into one.
NOT an Evertonian.
No.
Absolutley Yes.
Duncan Ferguson - now there is an upstanding pillar of the community.
Duncan Ferguson - now there is an upstanding pillar of the community.
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no NO
I've been following Joey on Twitter for the last month or so now.
I never thought I would say it but he does seem to have changed. He has been out of trouble (if you ignore the rush of blood when he pushed the player over last season) for some time and in my eyes deserves a second chance.
People change and grow up. Joey Barton has done both of these.
Anyone that says he's not an Everton style player needs to wake up and smell the coffee. We don't have a pot to piss in. And players of his caliber don't come along very often for nothing.
Get him in.
I never thought I would say it but he does seem to have changed. He has been out of trouble (if you ignore the rush of blood when he pushed the player over last season) for some time and in my eyes deserves a second chance.
People change and grow up. Joey Barton has done both of these.
Anyone that says he's not an Everton style player needs to wake up and smell the coffee. We don't have a pot to piss in. And players of his caliber don't come along very often for nothing.
Get him in.
Let's be honest, he is a rough diamond, but is he any worse than a few others out there?
Remember Gerrard smackin a DJ in the face while he had his own mates protecting him? Cisse, Aldridge, Finnan all thugs yet their own fans love them because they support their own thru thick and thin...
Remember Gerrard smackin a DJ in the face while he had his own mates protecting him? Cisse, Aldridge, Finnan all thugs yet their own fans love them because they support their own thru thick and thin...
If Barton can improve us and I think he can then lets get him signed up.
Gareth
You cannot compare what Barton has done and what Ferguson did. Ferguson butted someone on the pitch (not great I grant you) and did time for it. FFS did you read what Barton did in Liverpool City Centre not to mention two assaults on team mates.
I am not against having people in the team with a bit devil in them in fact some of my favourite Everton players have done e.g. Reid and Van Den Hauwe. I do not expect players to be angels I just don't expect them to be the total liability that Barton is. If we sign him it will be a black day for our club.
You cannot compare what Barton has done and what Ferguson did. Ferguson butted someone on the pitch (not great I grant you) and did time for it. FFS did you read what Barton did in Liverpool City Centre not to mention two assaults on team mates.
I am not against having people in the team with a bit devil in them in fact some of my favourite Everton players have done e.g. Reid and Van Den Hauwe. I do not expect players to be angels I just don't expect them to be the total liability that Barton is. If we sign him it will be a black day for our club.
On the basis that most of us have done stuff we're ashamed of (mia culpa), he seems to be making an effort, he's an evertonian and he's just what we need - I'll have 2 please.
Yes
Free and would add steel to the midfield
If it doesnt work we can flog him for a decent fee at the end of the season
Free and would add steel to the midfield
If it doesnt work we can flog him for a decent fee at the end of the season
Once he's discussed his signing on fee, and wages and agents' fees... It won't be as cheap as it sounds.
Still cheaper than a transfer fee, and maybe we can find the money.
He's the kind of player who might drag us along, turning the frustrating draw into a win. Worth a punt.
Still cheaper than a transfer fee, and maybe we can find the money.
He's the kind of player who might drag us along, turning the frustrating draw into a win. Worth a punt.
Barton is still an idiot - just look at his Twitter account! Critical of the club's management, imagine what he'd say about BK and the management structure here!
Makes himself a disruptive influence and has a negative effect on the team.
Team spirit is the only thing we have going for us at the moment - don't let this idiot disrupt us even more. He would be like a ticking time bomb.
Why do you think Newcastle want to get rid on a free?
Makes himself a disruptive influence and has a negative effect on the team.
Team spirit is the only thing we have going for us at the moment - don't let this idiot disrupt us even more. He would be like a ticking time bomb.
Why do you think Newcastle want to get rid on a free?
YES!!!
The guy is a quality player albeit outspoken. He isn't a big time charlie and has actually matured quite well.
He's made mistakes yes but has seemed to be on the right path for awhile now.
He is exactly the type of player we need and I would even make him captain as well.
The guy is a quality player albeit outspoken. He isn't a big time charlie and has actually matured quite well.
He's made mistakes yes but has seemed to be on the right path for awhile now.
He is exactly the type of player we need and I would even make him captain as well.
What's that phrase about 'beggars'
Two years ago I'd have said no, no and thrice no but as long as Moyes spells it out to him what's expected and that there'll be no more second chances here, he might just be worth the gamble, given our parlous financial position.
I've almost surprised myself by saying that but what I saw of him last season he played pretty well in a particularly average team. And his on pitch temperament, although severely tested at times, especially by Karl Henry and Wolves, seemed to hold up well.
So give him a chance, but the first sign of him causing any dressing room unrest and he'd be on his way, for me. There's no doubt someone else will be in for him if we aren't.
Two years ago I'd have said no, no and thrice no but as long as Moyes spells it out to him what's expected and that there'll be no more second chances here, he might just be worth the gamble, given our parlous financial position.
I've almost surprised myself by saying that but what I saw of him last season he played pretty well in a particularly average team. And his on pitch temperament, although severely tested at times, especially by Karl Henry and Wolves, seemed to hold up well.
So give him a chance, but the first sign of him causing any dressing room unrest and he'd be on his way, for me. There's no doubt someone else will be in for him if we aren't.
Yes or no???
It's a "yes" from me. Where is it written you have to possess the character traits of Mother Theresa to play for Everton??
We had Ferguson jailed as an Everton player. No-one called for him to be castigated. Plus he had previous for assault and drink-drive. As did Pienaar. When the latter got arrested, these pages were full of supportive messages of 'innocent til proven guilty'. Well he was guilty and I don't recall a campaign to get rid because of it.
It's a "yes" from me. Where is it written you have to possess the character traits of Mother Theresa to play for Everton??
We had Ferguson jailed as an Everton player. No-one called for him to be castigated. Plus he had previous for assault and drink-drive. As did Pienaar. When the latter got arrested, these pages were full of supportive messages of 'innocent til proven guilty'. Well he was guilty and I don't recall a campaign to get rid because of it.
Would Barton improve our squad? In my opinion, yes, he would. Can we afford him? I doubt it without clearing someone else's wages from the bill first...
No. Horrible scum bag of a man.
Ed, Ferguson did a lot more than the headbutt on the pitch. His off-the-field antics were just as bad as Barton's when he was younger. Just ask the off-duty copper on crutches who he beat up on a night out.
Hi Gents
The link below outlines some of his failings up to 2009.
Yes a real hard man in midfield who attacks 15- and 16-year-olds off it, get real!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/aug/05/joey-barton-career-timeline-newcastle
The link below outlines some of his failings up to 2009.
Yes a real hard man in midfield who attacks 15- and 16-year-olds off it, get real!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/aug/05/joey-barton-career-timeline-newcastle
Yes or no???
It's a "yes" from me. Where is it written you have to possess the character traits of mother Theresa to play for everton??
We had ferguson jailed as an everton player. Noone called for him to be castigated. Plus he had previous for assault and drink drive. As did peinaar. When the latter got arrested these pages were full of supportive messages of 'innocent til proven' guilty. Well he was guilty and I don't recall a campaign to get rid because of it.
Would Barton improve our squad? In my opinion yes he would. Can we afford him? I doubt it without clearing someone elses wages from the bill first
It's a "yes" from me. Where is it written you have to possess the character traits of mother Theresa to play for everton??
We had ferguson jailed as an everton player. Noone called for him to be castigated. Plus he had previous for assault and drink drive. As did peinaar. When the latter got arrested these pages were full of supportive messages of 'innocent til proven' guilty. Well he was guilty and I don't recall a campaign to get rid because of it.
Would Barton improve our squad? In my opinion yes he would. Can we afford him? I doubt it without clearing someone elses wages from the bill first
I dont understand the thinking of some of our lot. Over the years we have had players who have not always adhered to the choir boy image some of you demand of an Everton player.
I remember Kevin Sheedy getting booted in the head in a Chinese restaurant in Southport by Martin Keown... nuthin said; Peter Beagrie riding a moped through a shop window when mortal drunk; Pat van den Hauwe made George Best look like a priest; Moe Johnson's exploits are now folklore; Big Dunc... say no more, etc etc etc. Why have so many of you Goody Goody Two-Shoes always got it in for Joey Barton?
OK, the lads no angel but do we really need more faceless, no-personality, quiet-as-a-mouse players at the club??? Barton would bring raw energy, emotion and passion with him and his past would soon be forgotton if he kicked fuck out of Gerrard in a Derby. Who does that now???
He ran us ragged at Goodison when Newcastle beat us last season and I would take him in a heartbeat. He's not coming though, so don't worry yourselves.
Nastly little man punched somebody once... Awh... diddums ? who the fuck hasn't???
Kristian
Did Ferguson attack 15 and 16 year olds? I don't think so. The guy was convicted of attacking a 16 year old in the street. Barton is a horrible scum bag we all know he is, some of us are jumping up with glee because the guy is on a free its very sad.
Did Ferguson attack 15 and 16 year olds? I don't think so. The guy was convicted of attacking a 16 year old in the street. Barton is a horrible scum bag we all know he is, some of us are jumping up with glee because the guy is on a free its very sad.
Ed, what was a 15-year-old doing in city center at 4am giving stick to Barton who comes from a family of Evertonians and is one himself? If a cheeky arsehole insulted my family when I was on a night out, I would smack them as well. Get a grip or go and watch netball!
Actually, Barton has made some significant attempts to become well read, and has educated himself over the last few years, according to people who know him.
Barton was like any other scumbag off the estate; violent and aggressive and undereducated. He does seem to have made efforts to become more human and would be a good addition to the squad.
I'd welcome him here, but I am very doubtful it would happen. Would Moyes' personality allow Barton's personality at the same football club? Will Moyes put up with his incessant twittering?
He's a good player, but I doubt Moyes would be willing to take a risk, he's natually quite timid and restrained in this things I think. He also proved himself right after signing Van der Meyde, and that probably knocked any slight risk taking in his character.
Barton was like any other scumbag off the estate; violent and aggressive and undereducated. He does seem to have made efforts to become more human and would be a good addition to the squad.
I'd welcome him here, but I am very doubtful it would happen. Would Moyes' personality allow Barton's personality at the same football club? Will Moyes put up with his incessant twittering?
He's a good player, but I doubt Moyes would be willing to take a risk, he's natually quite timid and restrained in this things I think. He also proved himself right after signing Van der Meyde, and that probably knocked any slight risk taking in his character.
It would be worth it just to see him up against Gerrard in a derby.
Yes. And put him, Kenwright and a lit cigar in the same room.
@30 Mark.
Very true. He is actually into some really good music and has read some really inspirational books and changed his whole outlook on things.
Not that people who read gutterpress will pay any attention.
Very true. He is actually into some really good music and has read some really inspirational books and changed his whole outlook on things.
Not that people who read gutterpress will pay any attention.
Ed, what difference does age make? He attacked someone. So did Ferguson. You can't have it both ways.
It's about time we had someone who doesn't give a fuck what people think in our team. You won't see him picking someone up off the floor after kicking them up the arse.
I say definitely 'yes' and about time too.
It's about time we had someone who doesn't give a fuck what people think in our team. You won't see him picking someone up off the floor after kicking them up the arse.
I say definitely 'yes' and about time too.
Mark
Your last post is offensive, you are quite unsubtly linking that fact that he was brought up on a tough council estate to his unacceptable violent behaviour. Most of us who grew up on such estates have never engaged in such behaviour and some of us ? shock horror ? are educated as well. Some of these council ruffians even post on ToffeeWeb. I am all for giving people second chances but just consider the guy's record over nearly ten years ? he doesn?t learn.
I am sure when pull his shorts down at the Park End next season to express his displeasure at us, there will be some philosophical musing written across his backside. Perhaps a little Nietzsche would be his style?
Your last post is offensive, you are quite unsubtly linking that fact that he was brought up on a tough council estate to his unacceptable violent behaviour. Most of us who grew up on such estates have never engaged in such behaviour and some of us ? shock horror ? are educated as well. Some of these council ruffians even post on ToffeeWeb. I am all for giving people second chances but just consider the guy's record over nearly ten years ? he doesn?t learn.
I am sure when pull his shorts down at the Park End next season to express his displeasure at us, there will be some philosophical musing written across his backside. Perhaps a little Nietzsche would be his style?
Fair enough it wasn't kids he attacked, but Fergusons record was just as bad, plus assault is still assualt. Barton is a nasty little snot, but as a player he would add quality to our midfield. I think the majority of Carrolls goals for the geordies last season were supplied by him. I think the Barton today isn't the same one as before, and watching some interviews with him last year, there were some signs of maturity.
Also if we did sign him, he definitely wouldn't spout the normal crap thats been coming out from the club recently through the players. The Neville/Cahill "everythings good, we don't need to spend any money blah blah blah"
Also if we did sign him, he definitely wouldn't spout the normal crap thats been coming out from the club recently through the players. The Neville/Cahill "everythings good, we don't need to spend any money blah blah blah"
Brian #31 - agreed, also, imagine all the Koppites he could kick the shite out of in the city centre - oh, sorry, he wouldn't be residing in Oslo!!!!
My heart tells me "no", but my brain tells me that I would make him captain on the field - if only to scare the crap out of those players who seem to go through those frustrating periods of couldn't care less (Birmingham - first half, the most recent example)!!!
My heart tells me "no", but my brain tells me that I would make him captain on the field - if only to scare the crap out of those players who seem to go through those frustrating periods of couldn't care less (Birmingham - first half, the most recent example)!!!
Ed you seem to be trying very hard to offended to be honest.
His kind of people do originate on rough estates; but that does not by its nature mean that all people from these backgrounds turn out that way.
He's something of a bad egg, but he has kept out of any illegal trouble for some time now (a few poorly advised tweets are the sum of his sins now).
Don't make me out as offensive, you chose to see what wasn't there.
His kind of people do originate on rough estates; but that does not by its nature mean that all people from these backgrounds turn out that way.
He's something of a bad egg, but he has kept out of any illegal trouble for some time now (a few poorly advised tweets are the sum of his sins now).
Don't make me out as offensive, you chose to see what wasn't there.
Get him in straight away! Great player, works hard and is the sort of scrappy player we need + adds quantity to our small team. His attitude has changed completely for the better. I'm currently living in the Netherlands and saw him play a friendly for the reserves against Holandia 2 weeks ago where he completely bossed the game and got a decent goal. Took photos and signed autographs after the game unlike some of their players. Asked If he was joining everton but he shrugged it off.
Character aside is he good enough? I'm not sure i'd want to see him ahead of Rodwell, Osman, Fellaini, Arteta or maybe even Barkley in the centre of the park?
Quite frankly Ed I take offense to the title of the post which is something I would have expected to see in rags like the news of the world and such like.
Barton has payed for his mistakes and should be treated with the same respect anyone else should. No one really knows the circumstances of those incidents either so it's pretty foolish to pass judgement.
Barton has payed for his mistakes and should be treated with the same respect anyone else should. No one really knows the circumstances of those incidents either so it's pretty foolish to pass judgement.
Character aside Sam, I think he certainly is good enough. He's also different to Fellaini, Rodwell, Arteta and the rest.
He's not really easily pigeon holed is he? I'd compare him to Lee Bowyer at his best... And at his worst.
He's not really easily pigeon holed is he? I'd compare him to Lee Bowyer at his best... And at his worst.
Mark
Anyway you read it, it is offensive. There are plenty of scumbags who have a relatively privileged upbringing.
Anyway you read it, it is offensive. There are plenty of scumbags who have a relatively privileged upbringing.
Yep, the police are forever dishing out the ASBOS round West Kensington.
Ed, you called him a dick, as pointed out. So I think you're sinking fast on the moral high ground.
Ed, you called him a dick, as pointed out. So I think you're sinking fast on the moral high ground.
James
Did you follow the link I posted earlier? I suggest you follow it.
I think judgement was passed on his offence hence the six months in jail. As for the title, I am just showing my age. You just keep up to date with what music he likes on Twitter and what books he has read and other important stuff like that and in six months, when he brings the club into disrepute, as he has done at City and Newcastle, don't say "I told you so".
Did you follow the link I posted earlier? I suggest you follow it.
I think judgement was passed on his offence hence the six months in jail. As for the title, I am just showing my age. You just keep up to date with what music he likes on Twitter and what books he has read and other important stuff like that and in six months, when he brings the club into disrepute, as he has done at City and Newcastle, don't say "I told you so".
You can get 10-1 at Paddy Power.
I would hope he signs for us even if I hadn't just stuck a tenner on it.
I would hope he signs for us even if I hadn't just stuck a tenner on it.
Don't be surprised if he ends up at Liverpool, him and Carroll had a good understanding at Newcastle so it wouldn't surprise me if Dalglish tries to replicate it at Liverpool.
I don't know why people think we'd buy him for central midfield; if he did end up here, we'd play him on the right.
I don't know why people think we'd buy him for central midfield; if he did end up here, we'd play him on the right.
So Ed, You think that Joey Barton is a 'Corrosive Character'. Well I believe that's great and just what we have needed - and what most fans have been crying out for for years - a real 'Nark' on the pitch. The fly in the ointment is St David!
I don't think David Moyes has got it in his make up to handle players with personalities who may rock 'his' boat but provide on the field flair, and hence I'm very doubtful if he'll make any move for Barton.
Most great players who have played in modern times have been those with an attitude - Alan Ball for instance, Tony Kay, Eric Cantana, Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney - I'll let others complete the list!
Let's face it - David Moyes was going to have a meeting with Bill Kenwright to determine how much he had to spend - and what has he told us fans - in fact, what has he said to the fans - Full Stop. The only time you'll hear David Moyes say anything for us fans to feed on is during his afternoon meeting with the Press at Finch Farm, and he must surely be the worst communicator of all the Premiership Managers.
Joey Barton in a flash for me please - oh gosh - does this mean that Leon Osman, Mikel Arteta, Phil Neville or even Diniyar Bilyaletdinov may have to be dropped. David Moyes - He says NO!
I don't think David Moyes has got it in his make up to handle players with personalities who may rock 'his' boat but provide on the field flair, and hence I'm very doubtful if he'll make any move for Barton.
Most great players who have played in modern times have been those with an attitude - Alan Ball for instance, Tony Kay, Eric Cantana, Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney - I'll let others complete the list!
Let's face it - David Moyes was going to have a meeting with Bill Kenwright to determine how much he had to spend - and what has he told us fans - in fact, what has he said to the fans - Full Stop. The only time you'll hear David Moyes say anything for us fans to feed on is during his afternoon meeting with the Press at Finch Farm, and he must surely be the worst communicator of all the Premiership Managers.
Joey Barton in a flash for me please - oh gosh - does this mean that Leon Osman, Mikel Arteta, Phil Neville or even Diniyar Bilyaletdinov may have to be dropped. David Moyes - He says NO!
Beggars cant be choosers , so welcome Joey - put some steel into the middle . But it will be the end for Rodders
John, I think you're on to something here. I think Moyes might lack the patience to 'handle' Barton. And yes, he loves his loyal yes-men favourites.
Barton could well end up at Liverpool, and do a good job there. A cheap and effective replacement to serve alongside, and eventually usurp Gerrard.
Barton could well end up at Liverpool, and do a good job there. A cheap and effective replacement to serve alongside, and eventually usurp Gerrard.
Mark
There are plenty of people in jail from privileged backgrounds and plenty more who avoid it because they can afford a very good lawyer or accountants. You need only look at some of the activities of our own senior advisors on transfers and investment to see how they avoid paying huge amounts of tax and how their companies treat their workers to see that the term 'scumbag' can apply equally to anyone of any class. Before anybody starts posting saying "What is this to do with Everton?" this person advises the club hierarchy on transfer policy and investment, something we all think is great, don?t we?
The ?Dick? reference Mark refers to special agent Dick Barton ? before your time, I suppose, so I can?t blame you for not getting the cultural reference. It also refers to my view that Joey Barton is a dickhead.
There are plenty of people in jail from privileged backgrounds and plenty more who avoid it because they can afford a very good lawyer or accountants. You need only look at some of the activities of our own senior advisors on transfers and investment to see how they avoid paying huge amounts of tax and how their companies treat their workers to see that the term 'scumbag' can apply equally to anyone of any class. Before anybody starts posting saying "What is this to do with Everton?" this person advises the club hierarchy on transfer policy and investment, something we all think is great, don?t we?
The ?Dick? reference Mark refers to special agent Dick Barton ? before your time, I suppose, so I can?t blame you for not getting the cultural reference. It also refers to my view that Joey Barton is a dickhead.
Well he won't be coming if he reads this thread. I watched Leeds easily beat Newcastle yesterday and Barton is correct that they will struggle this season on the basis of what I saw yesterday. Gosling played for an hour and was distinctly average btw. However, if he did come to Everton he'd need to close that Twitter account down; he may be right but he shouldn't have said it so publicly.
Personally Barton and Adam Johnson on freebies would suit me; bit of midfield steel and a bit of width.
Personally Barton and Adam Johnson on freebies would suit me; bit of midfield steel and a bit of width.
Sign him, with the proviso in his contract that he posts no Everton related remarks on tw*tter or anywhere else. I think he may deserve a 2nd (5th?) chance. We could be the beneficiaries of his love of our club, at the expense of the geordies.
If he plays well and gives 100%, he can put what he likes on twitter. Who gives a shit.
Ed, the lads done wrong in the past but he says he has changed. How long do you keep punishing him for things he has payed for?
Duncan Ferguson did some pretty disgusting stuff but I bet you didn't mind when he put the ball in the back of the net or gave Ince a little dig.
Ed, the lads done wrong in the past but he says he has changed. How long do you keep punishing him for things he has payed for?
Duncan Ferguson did some pretty disgusting stuff but I bet you didn't mind when he put the ball in the back of the net or gave Ince a little dig.
Never thought of him going to the RS - now that's just the sort of shit that makes my day - another evertonian going over there.
If he turns their shite around - and he has the ability........
I'm getting pissed off already, I know it's gonna happen.
If he turns their shite around - and he has the ability........
I'm getting pissed off already, I know it's gonna happen.
David Booth - 11 - Bellamy isn't a twat, he just gives 100%, and not apathetic, whats wrong with that?
Barton won't come to us, even if we did actually try to get him, we can't afford his wages (unless we sell Arteta, cos he'd want what he earns). He will end up somewhere like Villa or Spurs.
Barton won't come to us, even if we did actually try to get him, we can't afford his wages (unless we sell Arteta, cos he'd want what he earns). He will end up somewhere like Villa or Spurs.
Ed we could debate this alll night, but you're not being genuine here, and know the differences and distinctions in what you are talking about. You're being obtuse.
The kind of things Joey Barton has done in his past are synonymous with the underclass.
Saying tax avoidance (which is not illegal in any way by the way) is the same is not accurate, but you know that really. You're clearly not stupid.
The kind of things Joey Barton has done in his past are synonymous with the underclass.
Saying tax avoidance (which is not illegal in any way by the way) is the same is not accurate, but you know that really. You're clearly not stupid.
Steve
Not everyone will want him although I accept I am in the minority here which does not mean I accept I am wrong. I don't want him here because I think it will damage the club.
I fear that we will sign him and that, just as he has at all of his clubs, he will disrupt the dressing room and it will all end very badly, as it always seems to.
Please spare me the 'love of the club' bit as well.
Not everyone will want him although I accept I am in the minority here which does not mean I accept I am wrong. I don't want him here because I think it will damage the club.
I fear that we will sign him and that, just as he has at all of his clubs, he will disrupt the dressing room and it will all end very badly, as it always seems to.
Please spare me the 'love of the club' bit as well.
Without wishing to upset delicate Ed, I say bring him in.
If he causes any trouble which I hopefully doubt then we will get over it fairly quickly. I'm more than happy to take the chance.
If he causes any trouble which I hopefully doubt then we will get over it fairly quickly. I'm more than happy to take the chance.
I doubt very much we could even afford to get him, even if he is on a 'free'.
Agent fees, signing on fee, 40-50k a week, nearly 29 on a four year contract.
Stay clear IMO.Rather see Barkley, Guaye and Coleman given a chance TBH.
Agent fees, signing on fee, 40-50k a week, nearly 29 on a four year contract.
Stay clear IMO.Rather see Barkley, Guaye and Coleman given a chance TBH.
Well said, Jamie Barlow, Duncan Ferguson was no saint, was he? It seems to me people think other players are this & that when they play for other teams. Tim Cahill can be as nasty as anyone, but how many see this?
The only twat (to use David Booth's phrase) is Gerrard.
The only twat (to use David Booth's phrase) is Gerrard.
Matthew Lovekin @21
"Critical of the club's management, imagine what he'd say about BK and the management structure here!"
I imagine he'd fit in just right on Toffeeweb!
"Critical of the club's management, imagine what he'd say about BK and the management structure here!"
I imagine he'd fit in just right on Toffeeweb!
The bottom line is that many of us who would like to see Barton here, for a range of reasons, lack any faith that the club can do the appropriate business.
I think that is partly because when you go so long without seeing something you start to forget what it looks like.
I think that is partly because when you go so long without seeing something you start to forget what it looks like.
Ray, he'd probably become a regular poster on Toffeeweb, especially if they barred him from Twitter.
Mark.
No. I'm not stupid and I know when I'm being patronised as well. So violent drunken behaviour is never the forte of the Bullingdon Club or other such well-to-do types? Aren't they worthy of the phrase 'underclass' as well?
No. I'm not stupid and I know when I'm being patronised as well. So violent drunken behaviour is never the forte of the Bullingdon Club or other such well-to-do types? Aren't they worthy of the phrase 'underclass' as well?
There you go again.
Ed, we're well of track with this, so let's just stop. Now you think you're being patronised. You are desperate to be offended, are doing a bloody good job of being so. I take my cap off to you.
As an afterthought; by very definition, the Bullingdon Club is not the underclass and can never be.
I hope Barton signs, but that he doesn't get into a debate with you, as he might slit his wrists and never make his debut.
Ed, we're well of track with this, so let's just stop. Now you think you're being patronised. You are desperate to be offended, are doing a bloody good job of being so. I take my cap off to you.
As an afterthought; by very definition, the Bullingdon Club is not the underclass and can never be.
I hope Barton signs, but that he doesn't get into a debate with you, as he might slit his wrists and never make his debut.
"I don't want him here because I think it will damage the club."
How can he damage the club any more than it is already?
No cash No trophies No hope.
get real I would have him in a flash, just what we need.
How can he damage the club any more than it is already?
No cash No trophies No hope.
get real I would have him in a flash, just what we need.
I'd love to see him here. He's a quality player, and for the record has had no issues since addressing his problems through counseling a few years ago. And nothing he has been saying about Newcastle is false. That management has been selling players and not replacing them, and he's calling them on it. Kinda like so many of you who would criticize him for that, constantly ask why our players aren't speaking out more. I hope we sign him, instantly improves our midfield, defense in the middle of the park, and distribution going forward. Sign him up.
SSN saying 2 london clubs and a Midlands club showing interest.
I've slightly changed my opinion after watching seeing sky sports news and all the newcastle fans who are sad to see him go and say he will be missed and was one of if not the best player last season.
If thats true (and loyal fans usually give decent appraisals) then why not bring him over if his wage demands are reasonable.
If thats true (and loyal fans usually give decent appraisals) then why not bring him over if his wage demands are reasonable.
Also, you can't knock the lad for quality.
Solid, hard working, great crosser of the ball, can hit a mean free kick as well.
Solid, hard working, great crosser of the ball, can hit a mean free kick as well.
Jamie Barlow (54)
Nail on the head all that matters that ALL players give 100% be given an equal opportunity regardless of their character,race,colour,religion if he can add to the small squad we have ,so be it.
Nail on the head all that matters that ALL players give 100% be given an equal opportunity regardless of their character,race,colour,religion if he can add to the small squad we have ,so be it.
Moyesey lad get on your mobby to him now,off field prick or not he'll have some fire in his belly,he's a decent player and a blue,sign him!
Write a curfew into his contract, especially after home games.
My gut says he won't sign. Sounds like Villa for sure and then maybe Spurs and possibly even West Ham the way they are operating at the moment... Plus there's the Nolan connection.
Moyes will sort him out - have 'im!
Not surprised there has been many,many opinions on this topic since it was announced.
When he is playing football he is a very good player. Alas! that is all too seldom.
He is too much of a loose cannon and would not last five minutes under Moyes.
Besides he would want very high wages which Everton would not pay for such a risk.
Sayonara Joey!
When he is playing football he is a very good player. Alas! that is all too seldom.
He is too much of a loose cannon and would not last five minutes under Moyes.
Besides he would want very high wages which Everton would not pay for such a risk.
Sayonara Joey!
You would have to know nothing about football or talent to think this would be anything other than deal of the season.
This guy can play, one of the best midfielders last season and he is an Evertonian.
If all goes round and he falls out then you sell him for a profit.
Thank god some of you doubters aren't Moyes or we'd have even more differing.
This guy can play, one of the best midfielders last season and he is an Evertonian.
If all goes round and he falls out then you sell him for a profit.
Thank god some of you doubters aren't Moyes or we'd have even more differing.
From a footballing point of view.. I don't see why we need him. If we want a squad player fine.. but he will limit the chances of Bily playing the middle or Ross getting a game. so no for me.
The lad's turned his lifre around and hasn't put a foot wrong for years.
Sign him up and sell Bily then David @ 80. Use the money to pay his wages.
For me we need to sign Barton for a number of reasons:
1) Our morale at the moment is at rock bottom;
2) There is no transfer fee involved;
3) We need a player who can play right midfield.
All the other baggage that goes with Joey Barton is there for all to see, the bottom line is that, if David Moyes feels that he can handle Joey, his ego and antics, then it can only be good for Everton. But, and it is a big but, the issue with all of this is the matter of money.
Elstone has already gone on record stating that there is no such thing as a 'free-transfer' with signing on fee, agent fee etc etc. The only way that I can see Barton joining Everton is for sentimental reasons; however, could we possibly match the potential wages that will be on offer from the whole host of suitors who will be in for his signature? ? Over to you, Joey...
Lets put this into perspective, Barton will be far from free. We will be spending in the region of 10 - 12 Million over 4 years. A lot of money for us and lets face it, a big gamble. Its easy to say that he's turned his life around, but this guy could have a serious detrimental effect on our close knit squad. Although Moyes did have a major run in with big Dunc and that turned out ok in the end, maybe we should just trust in Moyes on this one.
David (#82) Bily will never be played in the middle while Moyes is still in charge.
Agree Dave.
Agree Dave.
Can't understand the quantified risk about the amount of wages over so many years, if he sorts himself out; not much left to do to be honest and we play him we get a decent midfielder, if he fucks about we sell him and we don't pay so many years wages and make a few bob from the sale.
Comparing him to Bily is a bit strange as one thing you can say about Barton is that he puts a shift in on the park, how many times can you say that about Bily?
Comparing him to Bily is a bit strange as one thing you can say about Barton is that he puts a shift in on the park, how many times can you say that about Bily?
Trevor #4....here here
Lets leave the off field stuff aside.
He is a really good player and he believes (not thinks but believes) that he is better than Gerrard, Lampard etc.
He brings fight, skill, desire and a cocky attitude which enables him to walk on the pitch and dominate.
If he came he could be a great signing and could end up as the leader on the pitch we have needed.
If it goes wrong then we could move him on for a fee.
This could be the Peter Reid moment for a squad that needs a kick up the backside and this could be the player that challenges Moyes unlike Neville.
Too many nice guys in the team for my liking-helping players up after tackles, cringing apologies to the ref, trying to argue refs out of booking opponents.
He is a really good player and he believes (not thinks but believes) that he is better than Gerrard, Lampard etc.
He brings fight, skill, desire and a cocky attitude which enables him to walk on the pitch and dominate.
If he came he could be a great signing and could end up as the leader on the pitch we have needed.
If it goes wrong then we could move him on for a fee.
This could be the Peter Reid moment for a squad that needs a kick up the backside and this could be the player that challenges Moyes unlike Neville.
Too many nice guys in the team for my liking-helping players up after tackles, cringing apologies to the ref, trying to argue refs out of booking opponents.
Now I was going to say no, but Peter Laing 84 makes a persuasive case. Its come to this...
Well he has certainly given us all something to talk about and I for one find this quite refreshing after all the gloom of the previous months. I also think he would make a difference to the team and in our situation he must be worth a chance.
Get the nasty little fucker on board.... might just be what we need!
On football ability, no simples. We have enough slow-paced center midfielders ? we don't need another. Fuck the personalities ? it's what the players do on the pitch that counts. We need pace, end of.
Well, like many thought he certainly won't be coming to Woodison Park (like veryone else):
SKY SPORTS
Trio tracking Barton
Gunners, Spurs and Potters all keen on Magpies midfielder.
SKY SPORTS
Trio tracking Barton
Gunners, Spurs and Potters all keen on Magpies midfielder.
The sort of player we need. He wont be afraid of the media darlings like Lampard, Barry and Gerrard, he will be right in their faes showing no fear and displaying an arrogance in the midfield that we are crying out for.
'But he will limit the chances of Bily playing the middle' ? David (#81)
You are saying that like it's a bad thing!!! He is twice the player Bily is ? and not £9 million either!
2 years ago I would have said no way, he would be too disruptive to our famed team spirit. And he was a thug, frankly.
Seems to have wised up a bit in the last while, although he still opens his mouth a bit too much. More importantly, he had an excellent season last year for the Barcodes.
On balance, as it would be a 'free', get him signed up if he wants to play for us. It would certainly give us more attacking options, and he could play wide as well. If it doesn't work out we can sell him in a year's time for a decent fee.
Seems to have wised up a bit in the last while, although he still opens his mouth a bit too much. More importantly, he had an excellent season last year for the Barcodes.
On balance, as it would be a 'free', get him signed up if he wants to play for us. It would certainly give us more attacking options, and he could play wide as well. If it doesn't work out we can sell him in a year's time for a decent fee.
You don't know him to call him a dick or say he wouldn't be good for our squad. He's made mistakes but so does everyone in life. This is about football.
He's better than what we've got (osman, bilyaletdinov) so I don't think its a question whether Everton should try and sign him. He is a very good technical footballer and no doubt would improve us as a team.
He's better than what we've got (osman, bilyaletdinov) so I don't think its a question whether Everton should try and sign him. He is a very good technical footballer and no doubt would improve us as a team.
Sign him and make him captain !!
Can't wait for 1st October. "Joey's gonna get ya"
Can't wait for 1st October. "Joey's gonna get ya"
Have to admit that whilst Barton is far from innocent, his steel in midfield is exactly what The team needs and he might even get others to pull their weight!
Barton as defensive midfielder would allow Cahill or Arteta to work their majic without having to worry about what's going on behind them.
The Barton type player is what an attacking team needs.
Barton as defensive midfielder would allow Cahill or Arteta to work their majic without having to worry about what's going on behind them.
The Barton type player is what an attacking team needs.
Not only is he a first class tosser but he actually isn't very good. So last season he put a few crosses into big Carroll before he left, but what other quality has he got? At no club has he ever played consistently well, in his own mind he thought he was good enough for England - what rubbish - apart from him being one of the biggest dick heads in professional football does anyone seriously think Moyes would touch him with or without a barge pole. If he was on fire I for one would not piss on him and if he turned up at Everton I would give serious consideration to stop watching. Gutter trash of the highest order, he should go and work for News International
February 2004: Picks up the first red card of his career during Manchester City's FA Cup fourth-round tie at Tottenham Hotspur, sealed with a second yellow for arguing with the referee at half-time.
April 2004: Leaves Eastlands Stadium before kick-off - and without manager Kevin Keegan's permission - after being left out of the team to play Southampton.
July 2004: Incites a 10-man brawl during City's pre-season friendly at Doncaster after a violent challenge on Rovers' player Paul Green. Barton is substituted for his own safety by Keegan, who says: "I don't want to stop him being tenacious, but I want him to remember what football is all about."
December 2004: Stubs a lit cigar in the eye of City youth-team player Jamie Tandy at the club Christmas party, after apparently discovering Tandy attempting to set fire to his shirt. Barton apologises and is fined six weeks' wages. Last month Tandy, now 24, revealed he was suing Barton after suffering "a major psychiatric deterioration" following the incident.
May 2005: Breaks the leg of a 35-year-old pedestrian while driving his car through central Liverpool at 2am.
June 2005: Sent home from City's pre-season tour of Thailand after a brawl in the team hotel, in which Barton slaps a teenage Everton fan and bites team-mate Richard Dunne's finger while being restrained. Fined £120,000 and ordered to seek counselling for drink and anger problems.
September 2006: Drops his shorts in front of Everton fans at Goodison Park. Merseyside Police investigate but take no action. Barton is fined £2,000 by the FA for bringing the game into disrepute.
December 2006: Causes a stir by criticising England players for publishing autobiographies after the 2006 World Cup, saying: "England did nothing in that World Cup, so why were they bringing books out? 'We got beat in the quarter-finals. I played like shit. Here's my book.' Who wants to read that?"
March 2007: Arrested on suspicion of vandalising a taxi after the driver refused to wait at a McDonald's in Liverpool. Later cleared when his cousin Joshua Wilson confesses.
April 2007: Criticises his club's performances and recruitment policy. "It just feels like this club is praying to get the right players this summer," he says. "We can't gamble on players who have scored six goals in six games in the Pontins League or in Belgium." City manager Stuart Pearce bans him from speaking to the media.
May 2007: Assaults team-mate Ousmane Dabo during a City training session. Dabo is admitted to hospital with a damaged cornea and retina in his left eye.
October 2007: Marks his Premier League debut for Newcastle by appearing to raise his foot dangerously in a challenge with Sunderland's Dickson Etuhu, an incident overlooked by the referee. Barton later apologises.
December 2007: Attacks a 16-year-old boy outside a Liverpool city centre branch of McDonalds in the early hours of the morning after drinking 10 pints and five bottles of lager.
May 2008: Jailed for six months for assault. "You drank to excess and behaved in an aggressive, disgraceful manner," says the sentencing judge.
November 2008: In his fourth game back playing for Newcastle following release from prison, Barton becomes involved in an incident with Aston Villa's Gabriel Agbonlahor.
May 2009: Sent off on his return from long-term injury for lunging into Xabi Alonso during Newcastle's 3-0 defeat to Liverpool. Suspended by the club two days later following an alleged row with manager, Alan Shearer.
April 2004: Leaves Eastlands Stadium before kick-off - and without manager Kevin Keegan's permission - after being left out of the team to play Southampton.
July 2004: Incites a 10-man brawl during City's pre-season friendly at Doncaster after a violent challenge on Rovers' player Paul Green. Barton is substituted for his own safety by Keegan, who says: "I don't want to stop him being tenacious, but I want him to remember what football is all about."
December 2004: Stubs a lit cigar in the eye of City youth-team player Jamie Tandy at the club Christmas party, after apparently discovering Tandy attempting to set fire to his shirt. Barton apologises and is fined six weeks' wages. Last month Tandy, now 24, revealed he was suing Barton after suffering "a major psychiatric deterioration" following the incident.
May 2005: Breaks the leg of a 35-year-old pedestrian while driving his car through central Liverpool at 2am.
June 2005: Sent home from City's pre-season tour of Thailand after a brawl in the team hotel, in which Barton slaps a teenage Everton fan and bites team-mate Richard Dunne's finger while being restrained. Fined £120,000 and ordered to seek counselling for drink and anger problems.
September 2006: Drops his shorts in front of Everton fans at Goodison Park. Merseyside Police investigate but take no action. Barton is fined £2,000 by the FA for bringing the game into disrepute.
December 2006: Causes a stir by criticising England players for publishing autobiographies after the 2006 World Cup, saying: "England did nothing in that World Cup, so why were they bringing books out? 'We got beat in the quarter-finals. I played like shit. Here's my book.' Who wants to read that?"
March 2007: Arrested on suspicion of vandalising a taxi after the driver refused to wait at a McDonald's in Liverpool. Later cleared when his cousin Joshua Wilson confesses.
April 2007: Criticises his club's performances and recruitment policy. "It just feels like this club is praying to get the right players this summer," he says. "We can't gamble on players who have scored six goals in six games in the Pontins League or in Belgium." City manager Stuart Pearce bans him from speaking to the media.
May 2007: Assaults team-mate Ousmane Dabo during a City training session. Dabo is admitted to hospital with a damaged cornea and retina in his left eye.
October 2007: Marks his Premier League debut for Newcastle by appearing to raise his foot dangerously in a challenge with Sunderland's Dickson Etuhu, an incident overlooked by the referee. Barton later apologises.
December 2007: Attacks a 16-year-old boy outside a Liverpool city centre branch of McDonalds in the early hours of the morning after drinking 10 pints and five bottles of lager.
May 2008: Jailed for six months for assault. "You drank to excess and behaved in an aggressive, disgraceful manner," says the sentencing judge.
November 2008: In his fourth game back playing for Newcastle following release from prison, Barton becomes involved in an incident with Aston Villa's Gabriel Agbonlahor.
May 2009: Sent off on his return from long-term injury for lunging into Xabi Alonso during Newcastle's 3-0 defeat to Liverpool. Suspended by the club two days later following an alleged row with manager, Alan Shearer.
News International also owns The Times; which is not gutter press and never has been.
Moyes won't go after Barton because he's conservative in the extreme; he wants six months' thinking time. This is a man who spent most of a season umming and ahhing about a cheap deal for a goalkeeper, Nigel Martyn, before buying him the night the window closed.
Moyes has done, literally, wonders for the club, he is not well placed to move to the next step. He won't take a risk and he won't introduce a player who might not work out.
Moyes won't go after Barton because he's conservative in the extreme; he wants six months' thinking time. This is a man who spent most of a season umming and ahhing about a cheap deal for a goalkeeper, Nigel Martyn, before buying him the night the window closed.
Moyes has done, literally, wonders for the club, he is not well placed to move to the next step. He won't take a risk and he won't introduce a player who might not work out.
He would never be a free signing.
He would probably demand at least £60k p/w.
He would probably demand at least £60k p/w.
Matthew I think we all know his rap sheet.
The man doesn't deserve to have thrown in his face every corner he turns. Or would you brand him on the forehead 'SCUM'?
The man doesn't deserve to have thrown in his face every corner he turns. Or would you brand him on the forehead 'SCUM'?
Mathew (100), It's heard to beleave you wnet to so much time over this. Can you do one for Big Dunc too please?
Don't worry he won't be coming here anyway, you can carry on chearing Bily, Osman and a woefull non performing Arteta.
Don't worry he won't be coming here anyway, you can carry on chearing Bily, Osman and a woefull non performing Arteta.
Joe, I think the difference is that big Dunc made his assaults on the pitch, so I think thats okay.
How people can compare Barton with Big Dunc is a joke. Big Dunc has never:
stabbed a youth player in the eye with a lit cigar.
broke a person's leg
bit another player
attacked a 16-year-old
assaulted a team-mate
criticised his own club and management
mooned Everton fans
stabbed a youth player in the eye with a lit cigar.
broke a person's leg
bit another player
attacked a 16-year-old
assaulted a team-mate
criticised his own club and management
mooned Everton fans
Barton was brought up in Huyton, an area where most people do behave like him. His brother is in prison for sticking an axe in a black person's head. His uncle who he was brought up around has been in prison numerous times and was shot in an off licence. Most of the kids he grew up with are either on the dole, drug addicts or in prison.
Huyton is an area where kids have no choice but to join gangs or get their house or driven to suicide. Is it any wonder he behaves the way he does? It's ridiculous for people on here, some of whom don't even live in Liverpool, to judge him. Ask any firm of solicitors in Merseyside and I guarantee they will have had some contact with a member of Joey Barton's family. He is a great player and exactly what Everton need, as Arteta has no pace and neither does Felaini.
I'm all for second chances, but ten chances, especially for such a high profile public job?
Get real, he shouldn't be in football let alone Goodison.
NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM
Get real, he shouldn't be in football let alone Goodison.
NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM
Wow! 5 hours and over 100 posts, at last something decent to pontificate on ToffeeWeb.
My take is that most footballers off the field antics don't make a tap of difference on the pitch and as a football fan doesn't concern me, I'm bothered about what happens on the pitch.
As a footballer, would I have Barton in an Everton shirt? As many have already said, a few seasons ago, no way... but now, of course: good player. As for wages, give him what we paid Pienaar and Vaughan.
BUT [notice it's a big but] we're EVERTON so it aint gonna happen.
Matthew @100. Would you say the same about Duncan.
Ferguson has had four convictions for assault - two arising from taxi?rank scuffles, one an altercation with a fisherman in an Anstruther pub and the most infamous: his on?field headbutt on Raith Rovers defender John McStay in 1994 while playing for Rangers, which resulted in a three-month prison sentence. The first incident led to a £100 fine for butting a policeman (was fined a further £25 for a Breach of the Peace), while the second resulted in a £200 fine for punching and kicking a supporter on crutches. He had been put on a year's probation for the third offense. That's without going into the punch at Wigan and the strangling of the Leicester player and the countless other times he was stupidly sent off.
Ferguson has had four convictions for assault - two arising from taxi?rank scuffles, one an altercation with a fisherman in an Anstruther pub and the most infamous: his on?field headbutt on Raith Rovers defender John McStay in 1994 while playing for Rangers, which resulted in a three-month prison sentence. The first incident led to a £100 fine for butting a policeman (was fined a further £25 for a Breach of the Peace), while the second resulted in a £200 fine for punching and kicking a supporter on crutches. He had been put on a year's probation for the third offense. That's without going into the punch at Wigan and the strangling of the Leicester player and the countless other times he was stupidly sent off.
I feel the same Iain. No faith whatsoever. When did we get so bad at conducting transfer business?
Matthew 100 - is that a yes or a no?
I'd take him with the contractual proviso that the first tweet, kick (off the park), bit of nonsense (off the park) etc he's outta here with no compo..
I'd take him with the contractual proviso that the first tweet, kick (off the park), bit of nonsense (off the park) etc he's outta here with no compo..
Tim Cahill and Barton in the same team would definately piss most other midfields off, so why not?
However, the board don't have the balls, intelligence or money to do it.
However, the board don't have the balls, intelligence or money to do it.
Matthew, whilst there is no arguement that he was a thug, but.....
Feb 2004 - first red card of career, Errr ?
Dec 2006 - criticises England players for writing autobiographies. Don't see a problem with that.
Oct 2007 - raises his foot dangerously.
Is he the only player ever to do this? If I remember correctly, Karl Henry of Wolves nearly sliced Barton in two with a challenge, Barton never retaliated.
Nov 2008 - Barton becomes involved in an incident with Agbonlahor. Don't know what the incident was, but this happens week in, week out.
May 2009 - sent off. Again, players get sent off.
As I say, he has been a thug and a bully in his past, But to include football related matters, sending offs, happens every week, bad challenges, happens every week. Also whats wrong with criticising players, to me, it shows passion.
Feb 2004 - first red card of career, Errr ?
Dec 2006 - criticises England players for writing autobiographies. Don't see a problem with that.
Oct 2007 - raises his foot dangerously.
Is he the only player ever to do this? If I remember correctly, Karl Henry of Wolves nearly sliced Barton in two with a challenge, Barton never retaliated.
Nov 2008 - Barton becomes involved in an incident with Agbonlahor. Don't know what the incident was, but this happens week in, week out.
May 2009 - sent off. Again, players get sent off.
As I say, he has been a thug and a bully in his past, But to include football related matters, sending offs, happens every week, bad challenges, happens every week. Also whats wrong with criticising players, to me, it shows passion.
I'd love us to sign Barton. Love it.
Get him signed,
let Arteta go back to spain and he can take Billy with him to pay for Barton.
let Arteta go back to spain and he can take Billy with him to pay for Barton.
He's done some stupid stuff to say the least, but at the same time I also think he's an ordinary lad who has a tough time living with the dickheads that make up most premier league teams these days, and generally has no time for them. I actually think that he and Cahill would get on well
No. I don't think we'd get him due to his high wage demands and secondly Moyes wouldn't want to 'rock the boat' with individuals who are controversial and contentious, those that would do harm and disrupt any team spirit which he builds foundations and a team around.
Brian Waring, spot on, I was going to say exactly the same! The other one that doesn't warrant a mention is the bloke whose leg he broke. 100% the pedestrians fault, no question about it.
He's a good footballer, maybe a little wayward, but he'd add to the team. I genuinely believe we are getting het up over nothing anyway. His agent will be taking one of last seasons top midfielders to market, given there is no fee, they'll be expecting a monster sign on fee and huge wages.
We have no money.....
We have no money.....
We have no money.....
(repeated for clarity)
Perhaps that should be our new song?!
We have no money.....
We have no money.....
We have no money.....
(repeated for clarity)
Perhaps that should be our new song?!
He didn't drop his pants - he gave a quick flash of his arse crack.
The more the sanctimonious nail him the more I want us to sign him.
The more the sanctimonious nail him the more I want us to sign him.
Matthew #100 Creasehead mowed down a young lad and got away with it, other players have killed pedestrians and gotten away with it, the fact players have been done pissed up driving is no better other than for the grace of god they didnt actually hit anyone before they got caught.
Wholeheartedly agree with his comments on the engerland tarts and their autobiographies, useless overpaid twats bleeding more money from fans when they never have and never will win a fucking thing in that shirt.
This very site the other day people raved about Michael Ball but no one mentioned the fact he used to beat the shit out of his partner, at what point do you draw the line?
Wholeheartedly agree with his comments on the engerland tarts and their autobiographies, useless overpaid twats bleeding more money from fans when they never have and never will win a fucking thing in that shirt.
This very site the other day people raved about Michael Ball but no one mentioned the fact he used to beat the shit out of his partner, at what point do you draw the line?
"The more the sanctimonious nail him the more I want us to sign him."
Absolutely.
From a footballing perspective: I'd take him straight away. At Everton we have a squad that have become overly comfortable and cosy. They're basically 'good losers'. Whilst there may be some sense of disappointment, none of the current squad seem to leave the pitch angry or disgusted after a defeat. We have no one willing to tell a few home truths and say this is simply not fucking good enough. Ok, he may put a through noses out of joint but that's what we badly needed someone to step up and do at certain points last season.
From a none footballing point of view: I think it is far too simplistic to simply stigmatise the guy as being some mindless thug, an animal, scum etc. Yes, he comes with 'baggage' and his past misdemeanours are well known, but one thing he has never done is attempt to hide or make excuses for his behaviour. He has always accepted responsibility for his actions and has made a concerted attempt to overcome his problems and change his ways. To me that at least demonstrates self-awareness and some strength of character.
Absolutely.
From a footballing perspective: I'd take him straight away. At Everton we have a squad that have become overly comfortable and cosy. They're basically 'good losers'. Whilst there may be some sense of disappointment, none of the current squad seem to leave the pitch angry or disgusted after a defeat. We have no one willing to tell a few home truths and say this is simply not fucking good enough. Ok, he may put a through noses out of joint but that's what we badly needed someone to step up and do at certain points last season.
From a none footballing point of view: I think it is far too simplistic to simply stigmatise the guy as being some mindless thug, an animal, scum etc. Yes, he comes with 'baggage' and his past misdemeanours are well known, but one thing he has never done is attempt to hide or make excuses for his behaviour. He has always accepted responsibility for his actions and has made a concerted attempt to overcome his problems and change his ways. To me that at least demonstrates self-awareness and some strength of character.
Newcastle have been signing criminals like Barton for years now and look where it's got them. As for Ferguson as an example, I can't think of a player who did less for our club, unless you count attacking people and getting sent off and losing us games - well if that's waht's wanted I can see the attraction of Barton. He'll do just that and be a prat off the pitch too.
Moyes... Put ten mill on him signing at 10/1 then once he signs spend the £100 mill on ronaldo, sorted!!!
Oh wait, we haven't got ten mill, what about £150k.... oh... can't wait for next season, haha!
Hey guys he is a quality player and would bring some steel to the heart of our midfield so what that he has a bit of a bad report card we need serious footballers with passion in our team he will bring that and will allow our more supposedly skillful players a bit more freedom i say
get him in now!!!!!
get him in now!!!!!
Ferguson was jailed for something that happened before he signed for Everton.
He will go to Arsenal or Spurs or RS and probably be a revelation. And for all those saying nil satis etc GROW UP! We haven't be able to attract the best in my years of loyal support! We are a second rate club who can't even afford loan signings. Beggars can't be choosers!
No signings and we resort to the desperation of signing a complete fucking "bell-end". I apologise for the language but I don't even think my words convey my feelings towards him. Honestly, this "man" is a disgrace to humanity and he would ruin everything Moyes has worked hard building. He's a head case and would destroy the ethos at the club. I'm all for a bit of feistyness, but I don't want a poisoned chalice at our beloved club.
"he would ruin everything Moyes has worked hard building."
Getting excited now, c'mon Joey.
Getting excited now, c'mon Joey.
I've been lurking all summer and have not posted a thing. This one's got me out of hibernation.
NO!
Beggars can't be choosers, but surely there's better to choose from than this fella.
NO!
Beggars can't be choosers, but surely there's better to choose from than this fella.
William Fletcher @ 126: William, yes, Ferguson WAS jailed for something that happened before he signed for Everton. Just as anything Barton has done would be before he signs for Everton.
If we could afford him,that is.
If we could afford him,that is.
All those people who say no based on off field stuff, would you sign Jesus Christ (assuming he was good enough!), after all, he got a bit carried away in a temple once, threw traders out, ruffled a few feathers, and probably broke a few things!
Also "he without sin" etc.. I say yes, he be just the sort of player we need.
No, there isn't Jamie.
Barton and Heitinga in a boxing ring....now that would be some contest!
What annoys me is some choosing this to say he would be better than Osman. So we would prefer a loose cannon who, during his career, has scored way less goals and made less goals than an Evertonian who made the grade and has been a good servant.
Osman got us into 7th last season. Without him we would have finished 9th or 10th. But apparently Barton who is nearly the same age and has never strung together two consistent seasons in the Prem is superior.
Osman got us into 7th last season. Without him we would have finished 9th or 10th. But apparently Barton who is nearly the same age and has never strung together two consistent seasons in the Prem is superior.
Shagging your teammate's wife, roasting a few birds in the local hotel, not turning up for a drug test, being a compulsive gambler, being an alcoholic!! Of course, none of these behavioural traits apply to any of our beloved "heroes" of the Premier League, do they??
It's very very simple, he's a quality footballer, he's available on a free, he would strengthen our team/squad and he's a Blue! I couldn't give a toss what he does when he hasn't got his blue shirt on! As our meerkat friend would say... "SIMPLES".
Do people not realise we need a bigger squad? Besides Beckford, we haven't had a new first team signing for just under two years. He adds toughness, and creativity in the midfield - something we lack! Get on.
If he's effectively getting sacked for twittering comments about the barcodes transfer policy, what will he make of ours
Barton on a free and Johnson on Loan from Citah
that would be good business, sell Jags for £17M
and buy a Goalscorer with the money.
Ah the problem is we don't have any money to pay the players wages.
Get real until this board have gone we are not going to be able to sign anyone.
The Club cannot afford the present wage bill never mind bringing in new faces.
that would be good business, sell Jags for £17M
and buy a Goalscorer with the money.
Ah the problem is we don't have any money to pay the players wages.
Get real until this board have gone we are not going to be able to sign anyone.
The Club cannot afford the present wage bill never mind bringing in new faces.
Has he still got that 'tache? When did we last have a player with a proper 'tache? The 80's were full of 'em: Power, Wilkinson, Harper, Nev! 90's: Beagrie, Warzycha, Barrett. Last 10 years, nowt. So, for that reason, get him in.
No chance so it's irrelevant. Utd & Arsenal are in for him.
Ha!....140 + responses......
Like him or not....it is irrelevant.... He wouldn't come even if Everton wanted him !...... He can get in a team with better chances and better wages......
Like him or not....it is irrelevant.... He wouldn't come even if Everton wanted him !...... He can get in a team with better chances and better wages......
Shit, if we sign him then I'm buying his shirt! As an Aussie I love a good shit-stirrer. Don't give a fuck about his personal life or how many people he killed at McDonalds. If he can dish it out on the field then I want him in my team.
As far as Twitter goes, he can say whatever he wants about our board as far as I care, its about time someone did, to be fair.
As far as Twitter goes, he can say whatever he wants about our board as far as I care, its about time someone did, to be fair.
Kunal (134) yeah i can just imagine Barton and Heitinga have a punch up. Not in a boxing ring though but on the pitch! Cahill will probably end up being the ref and Everton would turn into the biggest laughing stock since (was it West Ham with?) Bowyer and Dyer.
I'm not an Aussie Chris (143) but agree completely.
Plus (mad as this sounds) I think he's more intelligent than 99% footballers.
Basically these days anyone prepared to express an opinion is a 'shit-stirrer' or compromising 'team-spirit' (jesus you would think they were five year olds).
Anyway I'd have him in a heart-beat, although to be honest, as things right now, we are so stagnant, I'd be happy if we signed a hunchback with a personality disorder.
(ie: Bellamy)
Plus (mad as this sounds) I think he's more intelligent than 99% footballers.
Basically these days anyone prepared to express an opinion is a 'shit-stirrer' or compromising 'team-spirit' (jesus you would think they were five year olds).
Anyway I'd have him in a heart-beat, although to be honest, as things right now, we are so stagnant, I'd be happy if we signed a hunchback with a personality disorder.
(ie: Bellamy)
Fair call Eugene, I'd probably take the 'nutter with a putter' too.
Cant believe people comparing Barton to Big Dunc. I must have missed the multiple ocassions that Dunc battered his own team mates and assaulted kids.
The fact is 1) we dont need him as we are over subscribed in that position. A forward is still priority. 2) there no such thing as a free. He'll be looking for minimum £2 mill + signing on (pienaar got £5 mill from spurs) plus he'll be a top earner. 3) one thing we've prided ourselves on over the last number of years is team spirit. Why would we risk that signing barton. We'll leave that to teams like the geordies. We're Everton.
The fact is 1) we dont need him as we are over subscribed in that position. A forward is still priority. 2) there no such thing as a free. He'll be looking for minimum £2 mill + signing on (pienaar got £5 mill from spurs) plus he'll be a top earner. 3) one thing we've prided ourselves on over the last number of years is team spirit. Why would we risk that signing barton. We'll leave that to teams like the geordies. We're Everton.
Did Barton ask the fella's age before battering him? "Excuse me, little scally calling me names but are you over 18?" If some little scrote starts giving you stick on a night out, you are more than likely to stick them one regardless of their age.
I think it's very low risk taking Barton. If he turns out to be a trouble maker then just sell him and the club makes a profit.
I don't think our players are saints, how many times was Pienaar done for drink driving?
I think it's very low risk taking Barton. If he turns out to be a trouble maker then just sell him and the club makes a profit.
I don't think our players are saints, how many times was Pienaar done for drink driving?
As a player I like him, Felliani won't stick around so we may as well sign him.
If he does the business on the pitch, which he has at Newcastle, I couldn't give two shits what he does off it.
And all of what he has said there is bang on the nail.
If he does the business on the pitch, which he has at Newcastle, I couldn't give two shits what he does off it.
And all of what he has said there is bang on the nail.
'very low risk' - what a joke! Yeah we just sell him on easily cant we. He does something mad again which results in him going back to nick and sure clubs will want to sign him then. I mean, the clubs are queuing up to sign him now thats why Newcastle have said he can leave for FREE even though hea still under contract!!!
Newcastle are clueless that's why Brian. Newcastle haven't let him leave for free because he punched a 15 year old and stubbed a cigar out in someone's eye. City sold him for close to £6 million after the cigar incident and the Dabo incident. Newcastle are getting rid because he made a few bitchy comments on twitter and asked for a pay rise during contract negotiations. He's also free because he's only 1 year left on his contract.
If he was under contract for 3 or 4 years, you'd easily get a price for him. Honestly, what's the worst that could happen?
If he was under contract for 3 or 4 years, you'd easily get a price for him. Honestly, what's the worst that could happen?
Chris #146, I had been waiting for someone to speak sense about the Twitter thing and had almost given up hope, so thankyou.
How many times have people complained on here that our players won't speak out against the club, and now they slag off Joey because he would. Fickle doesn't even come into it.
Matthew #116, impressive list, but what about the last 2 years. Your list only supports those people that say he has changed and is no longer a thug.
How many times have people complained on here that our players won't speak out against the club, and now they slag off Joey because he would. Fickle doesn't even come into it.
Matthew #116, impressive list, but what about the last 2 years. Your list only supports those people that say he has changed and is no longer a thug.
Absolute rubbish. Since when do players leave for free when theyre under contract. Pienaar had 6 months left and we got £3 million fee.
Nzogia went for £10 mill and he had 1 year left.
Newcastle are letting him leave for free because no one has mad an approach for him an because he's a bad apple and they want him out.
Its dead easy to sell players on Alan isnt it? Yobo, Yakubu. Never mind players with the excess baggage he comes with. Low risk my arse.
Nzogia went for £10 mill and he had 1 year left.
Newcastle are letting him leave for free because no one has mad an approach for him an because he's a bad apple and they want him out.
Its dead easy to sell players on Alan isnt it? Yobo, Yakubu. Never mind players with the excess baggage he comes with. Low risk my arse.
I don't like Joey Barton, never have, his off-field crimes have always turned me against the man. I have never wanted him to sign for Everton, and have always been of the opinion that his bad points far outweigh the good. Not just his own, but those of his brother. I know that's probably unfair, but I'm not sure that's something we should associate ourselves with, even indirectly.
People have stated on here that he appears to have some intelligence, in comparison with the typical modern-footballer. I agree, but that can't excuse the frequent and dangerous rushes of blood.
However, I now find myself with the personally unpalatable view that he might be what we need. We all know that we need a right midfielder and a proven striker, but I think we're also missing someone with the conviction and fire to drag this team up when they're on the ropes, someone to lead through furious example, someone we haven't had since Big Dunc hung up his boots. Maybe Joey Barton is that man. It may not be a pleasant prospect, but maybe it's what we need?
People have stated on here that he appears to have some intelligence, in comparison with the typical modern-footballer. I agree, but that can't excuse the frequent and dangerous rushes of blood.
However, I now find myself with the personally unpalatable view that he might be what we need. We all know that we need a right midfielder and a proven striker, but I think we're also missing someone with the conviction and fire to drag this team up when they're on the ropes, someone to lead through furious example, someone we haven't had since Big Dunc hung up his boots. Maybe Joey Barton is that man. It may not be a pleasant prospect, but maybe it's what we need?
Brian he made it perfectly clear that he wouldn't leave leave unless it was on a free. So even if someone had come in and offered £5-6m and Newcastle wanted to sell, Barton wouldn't have agreed personal terms, he would have seen out his remaining contract and left on a free. He said he wouldn't give them the satisfaction of getting a fee for him.
"sold???? Not a chance matey. Am here till it expires or am given a free transfer...."
End of the day, all is not well at the Cirque du Sid James.
"sold???? Not a chance matey. Am here till it expires or am given a free transfer...."
End of the day, all is not well at the Cirque du Sid James.
"Not just his own, but those of his brother. I know that's probably unfair, but I'm not sure that's something we should associate ourselves with, even indirectly."
You are right mate, that is unfair. What his HALF brother did has nothing to do with Joey Barton. They didn't even grow up together. At the time Barton was among those pleading for his brother to give himself up. I have a HALF brother and haven't seen him since about 1993. If he killed someone now should I be held back in my career?
Not many people have mentioned the fact that Barton is a patron of the Tamsin Gulvin Fund, is a part of the 'Get Hooked on Fishing' campaign and has taken part in a celebrity cricket match raise money for a new children's rehabilitation unit at a hospital in Manchester. What a despicable chap, eh?
You are right mate, that is unfair. What his HALF brother did has nothing to do with Joey Barton. They didn't even grow up together. At the time Barton was among those pleading for his brother to give himself up. I have a HALF brother and haven't seen him since about 1993. If he killed someone now should I be held back in my career?
Not many people have mentioned the fact that Barton is a patron of the Tamsin Gulvin Fund, is a part of the 'Get Hooked on Fishing' campaign and has taken part in a celebrity cricket match raise money for a new children's rehabilitation unit at a hospital in Manchester. What a despicable chap, eh?
Really Mark? I tell you what thats clinched it for me. Sign him up!!!
What an absolute twat.
Luckily Moyes has the common sense to not touch him with a barge pole.
What an absolute twat.
Luckily Moyes has the common sense to not touch him with a barge pole.
Brian, you state sarcastically that "it's easy to sell players isn't it", using Yobo and Yakubu as examples.
For me, all you've done there is not highlight the difficulties all clubs have offloading players, just that Everton can be infuriatingly inept at doing business with other clubs.
For me, all you've done there is not highlight the difficulties all clubs have offloading players, just that Everton can be infuriatingly inept at doing business with other clubs.
No Mark - every single club has players they cant shift - look at the shite, man city and spurs to name just 3.
The fact is its not easy to sell players on if a) no one is interested of b) they dont want to move.
Its hard enough to sell a player on yet alone a scumbag like Barton.
As i say, its a good job were sensible enough not to go near him.
The fact is its not easy to sell players on if a) no one is interested of b) they dont want to move.
Its hard enough to sell a player on yet alone a scumbag like Barton.
As i say, its a good job were sensible enough not to go near him.
I'm a twat eh, Brian?
No need for that at all. All the bad things he has done have already been listed, I'm not defending them (well some of them didn't bear mentioning as has already beeing pointed out) but I am just listing the good things he's done as well.
No need for that at all. All the bad things he has done have already been listed, I'm not defending them (well some of them didn't bear mentioning as has already beeing pointed out) but I am just listing the good things he's done as well.
Yakubu should have for for an inflated price to West Ham half a year ago, but we obviously preferred to reject the offer and then tout him him unsuccessfully for half the price later. Embarrassing.
Barton won't come here, but not because of his ability, because this football club cannot find its arse with both hands, and David Moyes generally likes his players to graft, keep their heads down, say nothing of interest, play out of position, and occassionally tell the Echo how wonderful everything is at the club, despite the face the squad is aging, shrinking, and reversing in success.
Barton won't come here, but not because of his ability, because this football club cannot find its arse with both hands, and David Moyes generally likes his players to graft, keep their heads down, say nothing of interest, play out of position, and occassionally tell the Echo how wonderful everything is at the club, despite the face the squad is aging, shrinking, and reversing in success.
Moyes woulsdnt touch him a barge pole the same David Moyes that had 5.5mill turned down by city. I would sign him today
No, If he comes, it would be at the expense of one of Rodwell, Arteta or Fellaini.
I personally think Arteta is overrated, can't take a corner for shit. But I'd rather have him that that dick head in a blue shirt.
I personally think Arteta is overrated, can't take a corner for shit. But I'd rather have him that that dick head in a blue shirt.
William Fletcher (129) and anyone else trying to make out that there's some difference between Ferguson and Barton.
Ferguson has had FOUR convictions for violent assault.
One of these was for punching and kicking a supporter on crutches.
Plus (even though he's been retired a few years) nobody has more sendings off than Ferguson (most of which were for stupid hard-man shite which dropped his team-mates in it).
Sorry but anyone trying to sell 'Barton's a savage but Duncan was different' sounds fucking daft to me.
Ferguson has had FOUR convictions for violent assault.
One of these was for punching and kicking a supporter on crutches.
Plus (even though he's been retired a few years) nobody has more sendings off than Ferguson (most of which were for stupid hard-man shite which dropped his team-mates in it).
Sorry but anyone trying to sell 'Barton's a savage but Duncan was different' sounds fucking daft to me.
I can understand those who don't want us to sign him because of his bad reputation. However, I think he's probably worth a chance as long as we're not going to pay him a very high salary. Imagine if Fellaini or Rodwell did get sold for 15 million or so and we had a ready made replacement in Barton on a free transfer! We'd then have this money available to be spent elsewhere on the team- a Pienaar replacement and/or striker. I doubt Moyes will think like this though
Fair enough Mark, I know that it's not a fair stance usually, but I can't apologise for it as I still think a major club in the local community should tread carefully in this instance. As I went on to say, the unpalatable option for me is now something I think we should perhaps be pursuing.
Moyes was very close to signing Barton two seasons ago, the club got cold feet fearing fan reaction. I sincerly hope the club has more sense than to listen to the hollier than thou this time around.
He`s kept his nose clean since and most people are prepared to encourage a guy who has tried hard to turn his life around.
That is why there will be a very long queue of clubs clamouring for his signature.
He`s kept his nose clean since and most people are prepared to encourage a guy who has tried hard to turn his life around.
That is why there will be a very long queue of clubs clamouring for his signature.
Moyes was very close to signing Barton two seasons ago, the club got cold feet fearing fan reaction. I sincerly hope the club has more sense than to listen to the hollier than thou this time around.
He`s kept his nose clean since and most people are prepared to encourage a guy who has tried hard to turn his life around.
That is why there will be a very long queue of clubs clamouring for his signature.
He`s kept his nose clean since and most people are prepared to encourage a guy who has tried hard to turn his life around.
That is why there will be a very long queue of clubs clamouring for his signature.
Brian what's the worst that can happen, honestly?
Listen to the Newcastle fans, they're gutted about him going. He was their player of the season for the last 2 years. He has not disrupted their team, if anything he's been the team's heartbeat.
In our financial position, we'd be stupid not to attempt to sign him. You've no need to worry though Brian because Kenwright is so inept, we're not in the running.
Listen to the Newcastle fans, they're gutted about him going. He was their player of the season for the last 2 years. He has not disrupted their team, if anything he's been the team's heartbeat.
In our financial position, we'd be stupid not to attempt to sign him. You've no need to worry though Brian because Kenwright is so inept, we're not in the running.
Why do people talk like we have any chance of signing Barton. To me or any other supporter of any other team in the EPL, signing Barton is a no brainer.
We could not compete with Villa for the Wigan guy so what chance have we got when almost every EPL team, & several from Europe, are now looking at Barton.
Mark - i was calling Barton a twat!!
It's a no brainer for me!
No money unless we sell our future. I say keep our side together and get him in.
He was arguably Newcastle's best player last season and the fans up there love him. Commitment, steel in the middle and not afraid to say what needs to said. Sounds just like the type of player we need.
No money unless we sell our future. I say keep our side together and get him in.
He was arguably Newcastle's best player last season and the fans up there love him. Commitment, steel in the middle and not afraid to say what needs to said. Sounds just like the type of player we need.
There are some really interesting opinions and some quite disturbing ones as well. Chris Butler I am amazed you can stereotype a whole community like Huyton and condemn them to a choice of gang warfare or suicide... what a load of shite, Chris. Every member of mum?s side of the family are from Huyton ? all of them grew up to be law abiding decent people with good jobs. Scumbags every where Chris, even in SW1!
One half-decent season with Newcastle does not make him a good buy; that he has talent is undisputed... will he realise it? Well perhaps... but I would not want him at Everton ? I think he is too much of a risk. A career total of 235 games in ten years and 25 goals, Osman?s statistics are better than that for the same period. As for being a hard man, I think some people are mistaking belligerence with being mentally and physically tough. He does as much damage to his own players (both on and off the field) as he does to the opposition ? this is a trend that has continued throughout his career, it?s not a one-off.
Some posters have accused me of being high-minded or sanctimonious; it's not that at all ? he just isn?t that good, as his statistics prove. I do however think the club need to consider his background and his past; it is a perfectly sensible thing to do when you are about to pay someone a small fortune.
One half-decent season with Newcastle does not make him a good buy; that he has talent is undisputed... will he realise it? Well perhaps... but I would not want him at Everton ? I think he is too much of a risk. A career total of 235 games in ten years and 25 goals, Osman?s statistics are better than that for the same period. As for being a hard man, I think some people are mistaking belligerence with being mentally and physically tough. He does as much damage to his own players (both on and off the field) as he does to the opposition ? this is a trend that has continued throughout his career, it?s not a one-off.
Some posters have accused me of being high-minded or sanctimonious; it's not that at all ? he just isn?t that good, as his statistics prove. I do however think the club need to consider his background and his past; it is a perfectly sensible thing to do when you are about to pay someone a small fortune.
Any moral implications are the least of our worries when it comes to signing Barton. If we have the kind of money to spare for the wages and signing on fee, then why haven't we brought anyone else in that's 'free'? Why cant we even loan anybody? Does anyone think Bartons agent has said 'Good news Joey, we can now go and get you the same money elsewhere'? He is on a reported 50k a week at Newcastle (roughly £2.5m a year), which you can probably add at least 10-15k on top plus a signing on fee, due to Newcastle not wanting anything. The deal will cost the same as before, its just the money will now be going to Barton and his agent!
It's a no brainer for me!
No money unless we sell our future. I say keep our side together and get him in.
He was arguably Newcastle's best player last season and the fans up there love him. Commitment, steel in the middle and not afraid to say what needs to said. Sounds just like the type of player we need.
No money unless we sell our future. I say keep our side together and get him in.
He was arguably Newcastle's best player last season and the fans up there love him. Commitment, steel in the middle and not afraid to say what needs to said. Sounds just like the type of player we need.
I thought everyone would be looking forward to seeing Barkley come on to the scene? That wont happen if Barton arrives. Rodwell will suffer just as much. We already have too many players in that position, we cant affort to have 5 central midfielder sitting on the bench.
#147- Matthew - Atleast there might be a little more excitement on the field, spilling of blood and guts rather than hoofball any day. Also think it would last that tad bit longer than Bowyer and Dyer. That was pure handbags.
Heitinga v's Barton would be the real deal! David Haye eat your heart out.
Heitinga v's Barton would be the real deal! David Haye eat your heart out.
Ian (179), under normal circumstances, I WOULD be looking forward to seeing Barkley come on to the scene.
However if he was picked and did really well in two or three games, it would quickly be all about whether he goes to Utd, Chelsea or City and for how much.
I got really excited when I first heard about Rooney (when he was about 14).
Since he left, I have not been in the least excited about any of our young players, because basically I believe if we produce anyone who is GENUINELY great, we'll sell them, sharpish.
And salt in the wound - out of any money we make, only a fraction will go on the park.
I WAS a mug over Rooney, won't fucking happen twice though.
However if he was picked and did really well in two or three games, it would quickly be all about whether he goes to Utd, Chelsea or City and for how much.
I got really excited when I first heard about Rooney (when he was about 14).
Since he left, I have not been in the least excited about any of our young players, because basically I believe if we produce anyone who is GENUINELY great, we'll sell them, sharpish.
And salt in the wound - out of any money we make, only a fraction will go on the park.
I WAS a mug over Rooney, won't fucking happen twice though.
Didn't Barton play right-side a lot last season? Even so, Arteta was fuckin wank all last year & as for Bellamy or Anichebe ? I know who I'd rather have. Get 'em both!!
I really don't understand people who say it wouldn't be good to bring Barton in because it would be competition for others. That is crazy talk.
What we need massively is some competition. We have been finishing with fewer points for the last four seasons, and we have a team that picks itself. All of us on here know what the starting line will be against Spurs, and it's patently not good enough.
No wonder things are stagnating here when a starting eleven place is practically guarenteed due to a threadbare squad.
What we need massively is some competition. We have been finishing with fewer points for the last four seasons, and we have a team that picks itself. All of us on here know what the starting line will be against Spurs, and it's patently not good enough.
No wonder things are stagnating here when a starting eleven place is practically guarenteed due to a threadbare squad.
Tony Marsh,
I thought you had "given up on football", per your last article...?
I thought you had "given up on football", per your last article...?
I have witnessed on at least 4 occasions both for City and Newcastle Barton completely outplay our midfield. In fact I have never seen Arteta get close to him so yes he is a good player and yes he would walk into our team.
But this is all academic Everton will not sign him for all the reasons already highlighted, but mainly because 2 insecure egomanics at the club would be 1 too many.
But this is all academic Everton will not sign him for all the reasons already highlighted, but mainly because 2 insecure egomanics at the club would be 1 too many.
Noel, he may have given up on fottball but in this instance I agree with him 100%
Barton has been a scumbag but he has kept his nose clean and posted a few comments on Twitter.....big deal.
Instead of Neville trying to stop the ref booking the player who has just tried to break his leg, get a nasty little bastard in the ref's face screaming for him to send the fecker off.
We need a Andy Gray/Peter Reid moaner/fighter in the midfield and Barton fits that role exactly. My opinion of him has changed and I would be all for him...... now if we could just find some money to buy him....Ahhh well, that's that then.
Barton has been a scumbag but he has kept his nose clean and posted a few comments on Twitter.....big deal.
Instead of Neville trying to stop the ref booking the player who has just tried to break his leg, get a nasty little bastard in the ref's face screaming for him to send the fecker off.
We need a Andy Gray/Peter Reid moaner/fighter in the midfield and Barton fits that role exactly. My opinion of him has changed and I would be all for him...... now if we could just find some money to buy him....Ahhh well, that's that then.
Can the lad play football?
After reading the posts, it's certainly split the camp, all I will add is that if it's at all possible, I would not object to Moyes bringing him in.
It's been well documented on here the for and the against, all I will add is that he has the ability to do a good job for us in midfield. That's if Moyes is interested???
If its a choice between Heitinga/Neville in the middle or Barton I'd have Barton.
Who cares if he is a prick.
Find me a person in their 20's who earns more money than they should who isn't a prick and you will be mistaken.
Barton is a quality player, a prick, but a quality player. Everton need quality players.
I really don't give a toss about his history, however he is the one footballer who can actually quote George Orwell, something I bet none of our current lot could do.
Who cares if he is a prick.
Find me a person in their 20's who earns more money than they should who isn't a prick and you will be mistaken.
Barton is a quality player, a prick, but a quality player. Everton need quality players.
I really don't give a toss about his history, however he is the one footballer who can actually quote George Orwell, something I bet none of our current lot could do.
Fran
There is a difference between being a tosser and being somebody who assaults teenagers isnt there?
Quite a few people putting the boot into Arteta FFS how fickle can you be?
Poor as he was last season Arteta has been a brilliant Everton player and has more ability than Barton ever had or will have.
There is a difference between being a tosser and being somebody who assaults teenagers isnt there?
Quite a few people putting the boot into Arteta FFS how fickle can you be?
Poor as he was last season Arteta has been a brilliant Everton player and has more ability than Barton ever had or will have.
I think this is simple:
To consider signing Barton, who is of questionable character and is on more than his very last chance with mostly everyone, he has to be potentially the difference between a Champions League place or not.
I don't think Joey Barton on his own is going to make that kind of difference so I'd rather not risk it.
Saying that though, Everton would get more air time on MOTD!
To consider signing Barton, who is of questionable character and is on more than his very last chance with mostly everyone, he has to be potentially the difference between a Champions League place or not.
I don't think Joey Barton on his own is going to make that kind of difference so I'd rather not risk it.
Saying that though, Everton would get more air time on MOTD!
Fran 190# I bet Anichebe can quote George Orwell. He can also play out wide on right, future England or Nigerian winger, so don't see why we need Barton
Peter (193) is that where Anichebe is going wrong?
"Four legs good, two legs bad!"
"Four legs good, two legs bad!"
I doubt we could afford his wages.
I find it hard to admit, but I've kind of liked a lot of the stuff that he's said over the last couple of years. Speaks a lot of sense and its quite enjoyable hearing a footballer saying what he thinks.
Yes, he's been in a lot of trouble, but on the park he hasn't done a lot wrong. Personally I think he's been vilified unfairly on the pitch. The sending off at Anfield was unfair on him.
As a player it's a no brainer. He can play and he'd fit our team well. I can almost see him buzzing around feeding Baines down the flank and having the balls to show feet in the centre, ready to do something *dum dum derrr* creative in the last third.
He's a bit of a cunt, but most footballers are. If you only picked the good ones you'd be left with not a lot.
Yes, he's been in a lot of trouble, but on the park he hasn't done a lot wrong. Personally I think he's been vilified unfairly on the pitch. The sending off at Anfield was unfair on him.
As a player it's a no brainer. He can play and he'd fit our team well. I can almost see him buzzing around feeding Baines down the flank and having the balls to show feet in the centre, ready to do something *dum dum derrr* creative in the last third.
He's a bit of a cunt, but most footballers are. If you only picked the good ones you'd be left with not a lot.
Thats the thing Ernie-people are cunts.I'm a cunt & I bet you're a cunt in your own way but Barton is a cunt who plays ball better than a lot of cunts!!
Rob
You certainly raised the tone there mate. You and Ernie are no Peter Cooke and Dudley Moore thats for certain.
Ernie yes he has played a blinder with the fans at Newcastle what a loyal player he is wanting four years on 50K a week rather than three. A man of the people if ever there was one, do me a favour.
You certainly raised the tone there mate. You and Ernie are no Peter Cooke and Dudley Moore thats for certain.
Ernie yes he has played a blinder with the fans at Newcastle what a loyal player he is wanting four years on 50K a week rather than three. A man of the people if ever there was one, do me a favour.
Ed sorry but I have to pull you up about that loyalty argument as it's childish, if you want loyalty buy a bleeding dog, name me a single player in the league who plays for nothing.
From my experience most teenagers deserve a smack!
Ed, ever hear Derek & Clive?
Eugene
You coming in with hello like that, what a rotter!
I thought you of all people would understand a bit of irony? Its funny when they do it, but do you really think Robs little effort is funny and does him any favours.
Gavin you too have misread what I am saying it is Barton who has been spouting how loyal he is to the barcode fans to angle a move. I hate badge kissers what he should of said was. My mate Nolan has fucked off and I am only going to stay if I get better money and actually my agent thinks I might get a move to Arsenal or Spurs. Seeing as he is so hard surely he would have brave enough to say it.
You coming in with hello like that, what a rotter!
I thought you of all people would understand a bit of irony? Its funny when they do it, but do you really think Robs little effort is funny and does him any favours.
Gavin you too have misread what I am saying it is Barton who has been spouting how loyal he is to the barcode fans to angle a move. I hate badge kissers what he should of said was. My mate Nolan has fucked off and I am only going to stay if I get better money and actually my agent thinks I might get a move to Arsenal or Spurs. Seeing as he is so hard surely he would have brave enough to say it.
If Barton is on top form he is a possible international player. The lad done well last season and apart from the punch on Pederson he behaved himself, so he deserves credit for that.
Didn't Barton play wide for Newcastle last season and supply lots of crosses for the ponytail? Were skint fans need to see players added to the squad for a boost, good player who would love it at Everton if the crowd got behind him. It would be a good signing but i cant see it happening the way we dither.
Didn't Barton play wide for Newcastle last season and supply lots of crosses for the ponytail? Were skint fans need to see players added to the squad for a boost, good player who would love it at Everton if the crowd got behind him. It would be a good signing but i cant see it happening the way we dither.
Does anyone know his family? He's not from around Western Avenue is he? (A bit off the point, but I was asking myself...)
People here talking about liabilities... fuck me, Heitinga is the biggest liability along with Yobo on the pitch your ever likely to see.
Barton only left City for big wages when Allardyce first signed him, loyalty apart from a couple doesn't happen much now in football, it's all about how they can perform on the pitch and Barton won't be short of offers imo, judging him on last season's performances.
Reputations don't mean much; if Moyes rates him, he should be in for him as we could not afford a player of Barton's quality otherwise. If we think are finances are bad, what must Newcastle's be like? ? and that's after ripping the RS off on the ponytail.
Barton only left City for big wages when Allardyce first signed him, loyalty apart from a couple doesn't happen much now in football, it's all about how they can perform on the pitch and Barton won't be short of offers imo, judging him on last season's performances.
Reputations don't mean much; if Moyes rates him, he should be in for him as we could not afford a player of Barton's quality otherwise. If we think are finances are bad, what must Newcastle's be like? ? and that's after ripping the RS off on the ponytail.
Fair enough it wasn't kids he attacked, but Fergusons record was just as bad, plus assault is still assualt. Barton is a nasty little snot, but as a player he would add quality to our midfield. I think the majority of Carrolls goals for the geordies last season were supplied by him. I think the Barton today isn't the same one as before, and watching some interviews with him last year, there were some signs of maturity.
Also if we did sign him, he definitely wouldn't spout the normal crap thats been coming out from the club recently through the players. The Neville/Cahill "everythings good, we don't need to spend any money blah blah blah"
Also if we did sign him, he definitely wouldn't spout the normal crap thats been coming out from the club recently through the players. The Neville/Cahill "everythings good, we don't need to spend any money blah blah blah"
Yes for me.
A Morrissey fan playing for the blues.
He is a blue, has passion and would improve the team, no question. I remember 2006 against City when we drew 1-1, when he showed his arse, he was class and ran the midfield.
He has matured and the mistakes he has made are behind him. I've made loads of them, who hasn't.
I actually don't think it will happen anyway, such is the crippling financial predicament that we are in.
if it is possible then absolutely yes - get him in a Royal Blue shirt.
A Morrissey fan playing for the blues.
He is a blue, has passion and would improve the team, no question. I remember 2006 against City when we drew 1-1, when he showed his arse, he was class and ran the midfield.
He has matured and the mistakes he has made are behind him. I've made loads of them, who hasn't.
I actually don't think it will happen anyway, such is the crippling financial predicament that we are in.
if it is possible then absolutely yes - get him in a Royal Blue shirt.
I think people miss the point.
If you're in cockney land shouting at chelsea boys "come and have a go if ye think yer 'ard enough" and the team bus goes by.
You know he'll be shouting "STOP DRIVE!.......EXTRA-TIME"
"STOP HIDIN IN THE PARCEL SHELF BILY....COME 'EAD"
If you're in cockney land shouting at chelsea boys "come and have a go if ye think yer 'ard enough" and the team bus goes by.
You know he'll be shouting "STOP DRIVE!.......EXTRA-TIME"
"STOP HIDIN IN THE PARCEL SHELF BILY....COME 'EAD"
Chris Butler 109
Nonsense mate, you've obviously never been anyehere near Huyton.
I used to play against Joey when I was younger and know some of his mates. Most of them have got decent jobs and live a normal life, a few are wrong'uns like you find from every big city in every part of the world. You make Huyton sound like apocalpyse now.
Nonsense mate, you've obviously never been anyehere near Huyton.
I used to play against Joey when I was younger and know some of his mates. Most of them have got decent jobs and live a normal life, a few are wrong'uns like you find from every big city in every part of the world. You make Huyton sound like apocalpyse now.
Dave he's from the johns at the back of huyton village.
Yes
Sign him.
I want winners, not role models.
Sign him.
I want winners, not role models.
Can we sign Bowyer, Bellamy and Balotelli as well?
What is it with players with a surname starting with 'B' ?
What is it with players with a surname starting with 'B' ?
ToffeeWeb - Has there ever been a bigger response to a mailbag thread?
Ed Fitzgerald and Stephen Kenny. I know not all people from Huyton are scumbags. I lived around Breck Road for around 9 years and there are bad people there. I've known people from Huyton and frankly I've never heard them say anything positive about the place. I've never had any problems in Liverpool or Huyton.
I'm just saying I've always found Huyton an Intimdating place even if your're from there. If I didn't know anybody from Huyton an hadn't heard the stories they tell me I probably wouldn't have a negative opinion on Huyton. I've never had any problems with people from Huyton, I've just always found them to have completely different values to the majority of scousers.
Everton have to be able to manage him that's all and if Dave can do it I can't see a better move than taking Barton. He could be massive at Everton and it doesn't have to be at anybody's expense. If it doesn't work then he'd go.
What could happen is that he'll go to Liverpool and be successful.
I'd expect a lot of interest in him and zero chance of him going to Everton.
What could happen is that he'll go to Liverpool and be successful.
I'd expect a lot of interest in him and zero chance of him going to Everton.
I tell you what come a week saturday when we start with this midfield we will cry for someone like him no matter how much a prick he is. Osman. Neville Heitinga. Anichebe. Because the way it is shaping this will be our midfield.
I'm on the fence but here are some stats to add to the argument.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2021733/Joey-Barton-wanted-Premier-League-clubs.html?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2021733/Joey-Barton-wanted-Premier-League-clubs.html?
Everton Starting 11:
Ghengis Khan
Hirohito Attila the Hun Pol Pot Ivan the Terrible
Saddam Hussein Mussolini Idi Amin The Unibomber
Stalin Vlad "Dracula"
I don't care what their off-field antics are, they are great footballers!
Now I'm not saying Barton is even in the same galaxy as these surely Hell-abiding men. So please note the sarcasm.
But shouldn't we care just a little about the quality of human being that pulls on the Royal Blue jersey? Whether we're talking about Barton or not.
Please.... tongue firmly planted and all that.
Dramatic regards
Ghengis Khan
Hirohito Attila the Hun Pol Pot Ivan the Terrible
Saddam Hussein Mussolini Idi Amin The Unibomber
Stalin Vlad "Dracula"
I don't care what their off-field antics are, they are great footballers!
Now I'm not saying Barton is even in the same galaxy as these surely Hell-abiding men. So please note the sarcasm.
But shouldn't we care just a little about the quality of human being that pulls on the Royal Blue jersey? Whether we're talking about Barton or not.
Please.... tongue firmly planted and all that.
Dramatic regards
The reason they've got rid of him is because he wouldn't take a cut in wages. I don't think we could afford him.
But I would take him if we could. On form he'd be good for the team.
But I would take him if we could. On form he'd be good for the team.
Barton's stats are pretty impressive:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2021733/Joey-Barton-wanted-Premier-League-clubs.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2021733/Joey-Barton-wanted-Premier-League-clubs.html
#190... so Victor is future England or Nigerian winger???
Well he can't play for the former as he's already chosen the later. If he had if waited for his chance to play for England it would be one hell of a wait!!!!
You can't seriously think that big useless lump is better than Barton?? I'm trying really hard but I can't think of anyone at any club in the premiership who is worse than victor anichebe.
Whether you like his character or not is up to you. But surely you don't think he's a worse player than Anichebe?
And as for the earlier comment by someone who made mention of Barton's half brother being enough reason why we shouldn't sign him, maybe you can ask Tim Cahill how his brother is doing after his conviction for an assault that blinded another man. We are not our brother's keepers.
Jamie #216......
I don't want Dracula...
He sucks!
I don't want Dracula...
He sucks!
Tony #216
Now that's why I love Evertonians.
Now that's why I love Evertonians.
Ed (201) be honest, you're just pissed off coz I got the 200 post.
Stephen (#209) -
Thanks. I thought I might know the family, but maybe not.
Thanks. I thought I might know the family, but maybe not.
Of course, yes, he is better than what we have got at the moment and he is a winner. People who don't want him, this is why we fail. Even when a player who would improve us as a team is available, we don't want them unless they are 100% perfect?!
Push comes to shove, would I want nice guy Phil Neville in midfield for us or would I want bad guy Joey Barton there instead... who is better? It's a no-brainer.
We probably can't afford him anyway though!
Would anyone say Barton is the same league/vein as Roy Keane?? A thoroughly unlikable chap but a hard no nonsense rock in the center of midfield. I for one would take Barton on a two season contract, who knows we might make some/good results of him
PS @ 216 Hitler was the best winger of his day cant believe you didnt have a spot for him :)
Tom (#217) Barton had said he would take a pay cut on a new contract with Newcastle.
The reason they got rid was because he came out and questioned the hierarchy.
The reason they got rid was because he came out and questioned the hierarchy.
This is the first time Joey has ever been released without charge!!
Barton is an Evertonian so playing for the blues should be his dream move. As for the expense of his signing on, the club should still have the money from the Pienaar and Vaughan transfers in the bank (plus interest?) and the combined wage bill saving of these two and others who have been released should go a long way towards his wages. A committed player with talent who can play in a variety of positions is something our club needs... So YES!
Have always been on the fence with Barton. I think he is a bit of a cock generally and I'm not sure he is actually that good. Look at his Fantasy League stats. He is a fair way down the list and valued the same as Brunt, Jarvis and Gutierrez..
Having said that we don't have much choice so why not tie him up with a challenging short-ish contract and see where we go.
Quite right that he should not prevent the younger lads getting some games and developing though!
Having said that we don't have much choice so why not tie him up with a challenging short-ish contract and see where we go.
Quite right that he should not prevent the younger lads getting some games and developing though!
PSYCHO 2.
The remake wasnt too bad and Barton would bring quality and workrate to the right flank as well as "No fear of the opposition.
Just remember what an upstart (and Arsehole) Andy Gray was but he inspired us to greater achievement.
THis could be the right time for him and for us.
The remake wasnt too bad and Barton would bring quality and workrate to the right flank as well as "No fear of the opposition.
Just remember what an upstart (and Arsehole) Andy Gray was but he inspired us to greater achievement.
THis could be the right time for him and for us.
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Everton will no doubt be suggested destination.