Everton 1 - 3 Sunderland
An unchanged Everton line-up hosts Sunderland in the club's final home fixture of the 2025-26 Premier League season this afternoon. But it was a dreadful performance from the Blues in the end, who once again gave up a winning position far too meekly.
Now winless in the last six games, David Moyes is still the manager to take Everton forward, according to the Everton CEO, Angius Kinnear.
Team News
Everton are unchanged 11 for today's game, with Seamus Coleman on the bench.
First Half
Everton kicked off for the last time this season, reverting to the Pickford punt, bouncing out for a goal kick, conceding possession to Sunderland. Go figure.
It was a little while before either mounting anything that qualified as an attack until Rohl got forward and played a great ball across to Beto... who could not master the bounce of the ball: Chance evaporated.
Mukiele was challenged well by Rohl and fouled him. Garner sent it to the far ost where Roefs punched it away. It came back around but the cross was overhit. Angulo looked to advance on the ball into the Everton penalty area, but Tarkowski was across strongly to deny him.
Sunderland mounted another attack but the Blues closed ranks and Dewsbury-Hall was fouled. Everton got a very soft corner from the midfield free-kick. A brilliant delivery but Roefs was under it to punch away.
Things settled down a bit after the end-to-end stuff, Sunderland having a better spell, Keane well positioned to cut out Le Fee's cross. From a long throw-in, Geertruida fired over from distance.
O'Brien then had to block Angulo's path. Sunderland regrouped and again O'Brien was called upon. But Ndiaye won the ball brilliantly; however, midfield pass the parcel went nowhere and Ndiaye lost the ball in the very location he had won it!
Sunderland broke quickly but Everton defended well, and eventually Dewsbury-Hall played a half-decent outball toward Beto, but it didn't get there. Alderete had an issue after stalling Beto, Luke O'Nein on in his place,, and Dewsbury-Hall also had an issue.
A more threatening Sunderland move had to be halted by Keane, before Tarkowski was across to clear the danger.
Everton tried to break forward, Iroegbunam with the ball at his feet but it got away from him and he rather lunged forward to get it back, missing the ball and catching the man.
Mukiele got the ball wide but fired a wayward shot high over Pickford's goal.
A great Everton move from the back ended abruptly when the ball was played through to Beto and he immediately surrendered. Criminal. The game was full of mistakes from both sides as it passed the half-hour mark, with Everton creating virtually nothing. Too many off-field distractions, perhpas?
Garner finally had a pop but it was from miles out and straight at Roefs. O'Nien stole the ball off Ndiaye's toes as he wanted to shoot. The throw was all the way into the 6-yard area, Tarkowski heading it on but Roefs was covering the near post.
A slow Everton build-up down the left ended with Garner's through-ball that nobody was interested in running onto. The quality of the football really was dire.
Everton tried to build again, Dewsbury-Hall finally getting behind the Sunderland backline and crossing to Beto but just a few inches too high for him despite a prodigious leap that saw the ball glanced wide.
Dewsbury-Hall worked it well and drove the ball hard across the Sunderland area, but it looked to have been cleared; however, Merlin Röhl recovers it and drives a hard shot that deflected sharply off Xhaka and beyond Roefs into the net. Deadlock finally broken!
The Black Cats tried to get back at Everton before the break, but more decent Everton defending kept them at bay.
Half-time: Everton 1 - 0 Sunderland
Second Half
Angulo won an early tussle with O'Brien after throwing himself to the ground, drawing a yellow card. Pickford tried to come for the free-kick but only palmed it wide, where it was smashed back at him by Mukiele along the byeline.
A Xhaka free-kick was headed clear by Mykolenko. Garner got an elbow from Angulo. A nice solo display from Beto fed the ball out to O'brien but he went dwon
O'Nein took out Beto but he got the ball first and it was deemed to be okay. The play advanced to Everton's goalline where Tarkowski was called for a foul, much to everyone's annoyance after seeing Beto go flying.
A Sunderland cross came off Iroegbunam's thigh and hit his arm but it was outside the Everton area. Still Everton had o defend the corner and just could not break out as Sunderland players were all over Dewsbury-Hall.#
A sliced cross from Hume say Pickford paw the ball over the angle as Everton were under even more pressure. But the breakout led by Dewsbury-Hall looked really promising until an absolutely awful final ball from Ndiaye, too far ahead of Beto and an easy pickup for Roefs.
Sunderland resumed their attack and O'Brien's horrible pass allowed Brobbery to break forward and easily beat Tarkowski, firing past Pickford. Everton had been under the cosh since the break, and there was a painful inevitability about this one.
In the hullabaloo, Moyes missed a unique moment to bring on Coleman at 60 minutes. Dewsbury-Hall crossed in well but O'Brien could only head it straight down into the ground. A decent break forward saw the ball played in for Ndiaye in lots of space but he came nowhere near even shooting at goal.
Still, Everton were pressing hard on the edge of the Sunderland area, but just could not fashion a decent chance. Mandava won an aerial challenge with O'Brien but came off worst.
Evertoton were attacking when a turnover looked to have released Brobbery but Garner was back brilliantly to cover him. Iroegbunam was testing the referee's patience with his aggressive play as Everton looked to get back on top.
Moyes finally made some changes... but no sign of Seamus Coleman. George looked to play forward down the left but his clever one-two with Mykolenko just failed to come off.
Everton worked hard to make an opening but just could not penetrate the Sunderland defence before a slew of changes for the visitors broke the momentum.
A stupid moment from Pickford saw him give Sunderland a long throw-in chance that was cleared. Sunderland came again and this time hit golddust, Le Fee beating Ndiaye and firing past Pickford to give them the go-ahead goal.
Everton down into the bottom half if this scoreline sticks, but Moyes's masterstroke was to bring on McNeil and Coleman with 5 minutes left.
George got behind the line and put in a brilliant cross, O'Brein ducking a little so it came off the top of his head and hit Roes on the shoulder and over the bar! From the Everton corner, Sunderland looked to break but Diarra was too slow and Garner got back to stop him.
Coleman finally came on along with McNeil... could they fashion something from this abject mess of a final home game? Everton were given another 6 minutes to try and savage something but instead they gifted an atrociously stupid goal at the end.
What a pitiful end to the home campaign from David Moyes and his hapless players.
Line-ups
Everton: Pickford, O’Brien (86' Coleman), Tarkowski, Keane, Mykolenko, Garner [Y:90+6'], Iroegbunam [Y:25'] (72' George) , Röhl (88' McNeil), Dewsbury-Hall, Ndiaye, Beto (73' Barry).
Subs not Used: Travers, Patterson, Dibling, Alcaraz, Armstrong.
Sunderland: Roefs; Geertruida, Mukiele, Alderete (23' O’Nien), Mandava; Xhaka, Sadiki (77' Diarra); Hume, Le Fee, Angulo (76' Rigg); Brobbey (77' Isidor).
Subs not Used: Cirkin, Talbi, Mayenda, Ellborg, Ta Bi.
Reader Comments (226)
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John Collins
2 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:01:46
2 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:01:46
Last chance saloon for the Sunday Conference League.
Will David go for it?
Will David go for it?
Jack Convery
3 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:03:27
3 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:03:27
Same ref who did the cup game v Sunderland.
If the Moyesiah ran a restaurant, the menu would be samey at best.
If the Moyesiah ran a restaurant, the menu would be samey at best.
Jimmy Salt
4 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:10:31
4 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:10:31
Yawn,
Martin Berry
5 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:16:31
5 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:16:31
The Moyes bashers get their moans in early !
And if you were in charge, who exactly would you play instead ? maybe you could magically play players who arent at the club ?
The line up got a draw at Palace and were so unlucky against Man City when denied a clear penalty.
If he had changed the said no doubt you would find something else to moan about
And if you were in charge, who exactly would you play instead ? maybe you could magically play players who arent at the club ?
The line up got a draw at Palace and were so unlucky against Man City when denied a clear penalty.
If he had changed the said no doubt you would find something else to moan about
Christy Ring
6 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:17:04
6 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:17:04
We haven't won in our last 5 games, and surprise surprise, Moyes picks same team again, same tactics and same formation?
James Marshall
7 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:23:58
7 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:23:58
Interesting fact - Chelsea who are level on points with us, play Spurs and Sunderland in their last 2 games, while we play Sunderland and Spurs.
Geoff Trenner
8 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:24:40
8 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:24:40
Hope we get a couple of goals up and can bring Seamus on for a proper farewell.
Geoff Trenner
9 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:27:00
9 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:27:00
Agreed Martin. Rather like my wife, not happy unless they’ve got something to moan about. I’m happy to oblige!
Tom Dylan
10 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:27:49
10 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:27:49
I hope he brings Seamus on on the hour...
Neil Cremin
11 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:30:12
11 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:30:12
Martin
I’m certainly not a Moyes basher but I would have liked to see a change. Some of our players are running on fumes. I would have liked to see more of a change. At the cup game I thought Patterson had a wry good game so I thought he would have considered him at RB. I will be very disappointed if he doesn’t use all 5 substitutes today
I’m certainly not a Moyes basher but I would have liked to see a change. Some of our players are running on fumes. I would have liked to see more of a change. At the cup game I thought Patterson had a wry good game so I thought he would have considered him at RB. I will be very disappointed if he doesn’t use all 5 substitutes today
Jay Harris
12 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:35:51
12 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:35:51
I will only be disappointed if we don't get 3 points.
We have to be up for this game and on the front foot...
We have to be up for this game and on the front foot...
John Collins
13 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:37:56
13 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:37:56
Geoff 9.
Can the missus play right back 😁
Can the missus play right back 😁
James Marshall
14 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:38:56
14 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:38:56
I always get scores wrong, but today feels like a drab draw or a 1-0 either way.
Kevin Naylor
15 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:40:05
15 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:40:05
Betting Everton at odds on is only for the brave today.
Christy Ring
16 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:41:35
16 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:41:35
I hope Seamus gets on for at least the last 30min's, and gets a massive sendoff front the fans, which he truly deserves, a club ambassador on and off the field. Don't believe there's Moyes bashers on here, you have to question his formation after only picking up 3pts from 15 in last 5 games.
Paul Kossoff
17 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:51:12
17 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:51:12
Any radio commentary?
Kevin Molloy
18 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:51:13
18 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:51:13
Now there's no pressure, watch us cruise to a 3-0 win.
Jack Convery
19 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:54:47
19 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:54:47
Thank you Christy.
I'd have picked Pickford, Coleman, Tarkowski, O'Brien, Mykolenko.
N'Diaye, Rohl, Garner, KDH, George and Beto.
I'd have picked Pickford, Coleman, Tarkowski, O'Brien, Mykolenko.
N'Diaye, Rohl, Garner, KDH, George and Beto.
Joe McMahon
20 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:58:15
20 Posted 17/05/2026 at 14:58:15
Jack @3, Moyes restaurant would be a step back in time to Pub Grub in the 70's.
Neil Cremin
21 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:01:10
21 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:01:10
Hope Xhaka doesn't dominate the game like he did in the cup game...
Ian Horan
22 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:13:31
22 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:13:31
We are playing Sunderland, not City, PSG or Bayern.
No energy and no alternative game plan to the KITAP1 approach!!!
No energy and no alternative game plan to the KITAP1 approach!!!
Eddie Dunn
23 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:22:04
23 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:22:04
This is dreadful from Everton. No energy.
They seem to be on the beach.
They seem to be on the beach.
Paul Greenly Jones
24 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:33:34
24 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:33:34
Garbage from us today, was looking forward to our last game at home for the season!! Summer holibobs booked and on their way by the looks of it!!
John Collins
25 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:50:28
25 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:50:28
Disgusting the goal apart.
Michael Kenrick
26 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:54:17
26 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:54:17
Yep, really just rubbish, the goal jammy as fuck.
But we could be down in the relegation zone...
So we have to bow down in obsequious adoration of the Moyesiah, our Supreme Leader.
He watches them in training every day of the week, ya know. And he knows best.
Unahappily Dissatisfied of Knotty Ash
But we could be down in the relegation zone...
So we have to bow down in obsequious adoration of the Moyesiah, our Supreme Leader.
He watches them in training every day of the week, ya know. And he knows best.
Unahappily Dissatisfied of Knotty Ash
Dave Abrahams
27 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:55:24
27 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:55:24
It was as boring as yesterdays cup final and the Celtic game but we are winning, always look on the bright side of life, the second half as got to better than this.
Alan J Thompson
28 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:56:34
28 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:56:34
We changed the kick off from the up&under to the more practiced Pickford hoof which went out for a goalkick and I thought that if he had that on target and the keeper picked it up would it have counted for a shot and been on our goal stats a xGK?
After 4 minutes Rohl played a great ball to Beto who miscontrolled it and then did the same again on 30 minutes from a promising attack. I was thinking that Sunderland were playing the better football but creating absolutely nothing when Rohl tried one that took a deflection for the lead.
When we play with a bit more pace and intent we look to almost make chances but most of it is too slow.
After 4 minutes Rohl played a great ball to Beto who miscontrolled it and then did the same again on 30 minutes from a promising attack. I was thinking that Sunderland were playing the better football but creating absolutely nothing when Rohl tried one that took a deflection for the lead.
When we play with a bit more pace and intent we look to almost make chances but most of it is too slow.
Kevin Molloy
29 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:57:01
29 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:57:01
That bloody goal.
Craig Walker
30 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:58:47
30 Posted 17/05/2026 at 15:58:47
Now we’re 1 up, it’s time to get nervous. Let’s see if we can push on and get a 2nd or throw away another lead. Ndiaye has to do more than he showed in that half. Only Garner and KDH have tried to get us moving forward.
Mike Price
31 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:05:51
31 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:05:51
Grand Old Team must be the cringiest, most uninspiring song in the Premier League btw!
Craig Walker
32 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:18:42
32 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:18:42
Get Ndiaye off please. Looks disinterested. Again.
Ian Horan
33 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:19:59
33 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:19:59
Obrien ffs and Chuckle brother 1 slipping on his arse pulling a caravan
Mike Price
34 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:22:38
34 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:22:38
That was pathetic defending from Tarkowski
Dan Parker
35 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:27:13
35 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:27:13
Ndiyae has been shocking recently.
Iroegbunam doesn't fill me with great confidence under pressure on the ball, O'Brien too.
Iroegbunam doesn't fill me with great confidence under pressure on the ball, O'Brien too.
Sean Kearns
36 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:40:14
36 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:40:14
We havn’t had a quality center forward for about 10 years!! Wtf
Ian Horan
37 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:40:29
37 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:40:29
Thats why Moyes is not the future !!! Dithering diligent idiot
Craig Walker
38 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:40:50
38 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:40:50
You just knew it.
Dan Parker
39 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:40:54
39 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:40:54
An absolutely pathetic second half
Paul Greenly Jones
40 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:41:58
40 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:41:58
Lazy arses, could write the script before we kicked off (Everton that!!!)
Craig Walker
41 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:45:44
41 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:45:44
Why do we try and attack now we’re 1-2 down? The more things change the more they stay the same.
Martin Mulrooney
42 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:45:57
42 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:45:57
We have absolutely bottled Europe.
Paul Olsen
43 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:48:48
43 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:48:48
Thank you David Moyes for giving us a season without looking at the relegation line. Now, step aside please..
Ian Horan
44 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:49:02
44 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:49:02
Rather W L W L W L than this shit Moyes offers KITAP1
Craig Walker
45 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:50:39
45 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:50:39
Bringing Coleman on was sentimental and a terrible decision. Europe? No chance. Spurs will get 3 points too.
Sean Kearns
46 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:52:03
46 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:52:03
Eddie Howe would join us in a heartbeat!!! Get him in ASAP!! We are embarrassing ourselves… and we’ve still got the only goalie in the league who watches balls around his 6 yard box… watch the Bournmouth 3-2 collapse from last season, all 3 goals were crosses into the 6 yard box.
Steve Brown
47 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:53:02
47 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:53:02
Martin Berry @ 5, any further comments as a Moyes lover?
Lee Courtliff
48 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:53:06
48 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:53:06
This has been fuckin' garbage from start to finish!!
Paul Greenly Jones
49 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:53:24
49 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:53:24
The Everton way!!!! Glad Seamus had a send off, but football logic, doesn’t make any sense ! See you all in August!
Andy Mead
50 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:54:45
50 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:54:45
Same players
Same formation
Same tactics
Same underpeforming players getting picked
Same players not getting a look in no matter what
31 years of the same shite and counting.
We were a disgrace from the first whistle to last today. Moyes should be moved on tomorrow morning, and I was for him coming back.
We have shit the bed when it matters like we do every single time. Another disgraceful home defeat.
Same formation
Same tactics
Same underpeforming players getting picked
Same players not getting a look in no matter what
31 years of the same shite and counting.
We were a disgrace from the first whistle to last today. Moyes should be moved on tomorrow morning, and I was for him coming back.
We have shit the bed when it matters like we do every single time. Another disgraceful home defeat.
Sean Kearns
51 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:55:24
51 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:55:24
40 million for Dibling, and we keep George on the bench. We have modern attacking players but the manager REFUSES TO PLAY THEM!!! Why is McNeill on instead of Dibling!!!
Ajay Gopal
52 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:56:29
52 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:56:29
People still defending Moyes are deluded. Enough is enough. Thank you for your services, David Moyes.
Time for a complete reset. If TFG don't make the necessary changes, then they don't deserve to be in charge of the club.
Time for a complete reset. If TFG don't make the necessary changes, then they don't deserve to be in charge of the club.
Mal van Schaick
53 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:57:36
53 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:57:36
Sunderland were the better team.
To finish the season with a final home display with that performance is poor. We need change of at least 7 or 8 players. Let's hope that the owners invest.
To finish the season with a final home display with that performance is poor. We need change of at least 7 or 8 players. Let's hope that the owners invest.
Steve Brown
54 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:58:29
54 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:58:29
Moyes Out.
2024/25: 12th place 48 points.
2025/26 11th place 49 points.
After spending £115 mlllion on players!
2024/25: 12th place 48 points.
2025/26 11th place 49 points.
After spending £115 mlllion on players!
John Davies
55 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:59:12
55 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:59:12
That game sums up our entire season. And why Moyes needs to go.
Never attempts to win a game. Always plays the game to try not to lose it. Not very good at that either -- and there's a huge difference between the two mindsets, by the way.
Players continually played out of position, in positions that expose them. Clueless when it comes to substitutions or in-play changes of tactics. Constantly outthought by today's younger, more aware coaches. And so damn stubborn that he won't have it that any of it is down to him.
Dreadful, out of touch, well past the sell-by date manager. Dithery, dour, dreadful Davy. The club will not progress one iota under his incompetent management. And not a single swear word from me until now. Fuck off, Moyes.
Never attempts to win a game. Always plays the game to try not to lose it. Not very good at that either -- and there's a huge difference between the two mindsets, by the way.
Players continually played out of position, in positions that expose them. Clueless when it comes to substitutions or in-play changes of tactics. Constantly outthought by today's younger, more aware coaches. And so damn stubborn that he won't have it that any of it is down to him.
Dreadful, out of touch, well past the sell-by date manager. Dithery, dour, dreadful Davy. The club will not progress one iota under his incompetent management. And not a single swear word from me until now. Fuck off, Moyes.
Mike Price
56 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:59:59
56 Posted 17/05/2026 at 16:59:59
Embarrassing, what an absolute insult!
Moyes was needed last year, he isn't now; just go with some gratitude before it gets toxic.
Moyes was needed last year, he isn't now; just go with some gratitude before it gets toxic.
Grant Rorrison
57 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:02:41
57 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:02:41
I've changed my mind.
Ajay Gopal
58 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:03:11
58 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:03:11
What more do you expect from a manager who admitted in April that the prospect of qualifying for the Champions League made him ‘shake a wee bit'?
He is not a winner -- never was and never will be.
And he ruined Coleman's send-off, the great man's Everton career ending by walking off into the tunnel instead of milking the applause that he so richly deserves.
He is not a winner -- never was and never will be.
And he ruined Coleman's send-off, the great man's Everton career ending by walking off into the tunnel instead of milking the applause that he so richly deserves.
Alan J Thompson
59 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:03:13
59 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:03:13
Piss poor defending which should now see the end of O'Brien at right back, Tarkowski and Keane called in to be told that there's been an administrative error and their contracts won't be renewed and as we have goalkeeping and set piece coaches then perhaps we can find a substitutions coach.
Moyes can now back up his last weeks prezzer with Europe is over now and we can all start talking about any chance of finishing in the top half as we keep Spurs up.
A bloody disgrace!
Moyes can now back up his last weeks prezzer with Europe is over now and we can all start talking about any chance of finishing in the top half as we keep Spurs up.
A bloody disgrace!
Andrew Bentley
60 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:03:15
60 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:03:15
One of the worst performances of the season. Sunderland are not a good team and we made it easy for them. Why oh why was O’Brien trying to cushion into Tim when 10 yards up the pitch was Ndiaye in loads of space.
Woeful.
Shot ourselves in the foot and of course Seamus’ last moment with us will be him letting the cross go past him to allow them to score the 3rd goal.
Woeful.
Shot ourselves in the foot and of course Seamus’ last moment with us will be him letting the cross go past him to allow them to score the 3rd goal.
John Collins
61 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:03:28
61 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:03:28
That's the man you are trusting the immediate future of the football club with.
Craig Walker
62 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:03:57
62 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:03:57
Tarkowski
Keane - new contract
Mykolenko
Ireogbunam
McNeil
Barry
Patterson
Dibling
Ndiaye needs benching
All above need moving on and this squad needs a massive overhaul.
Too slow. No fight. No resilience. Boring passive play.
Why can we give City a game and then play like that?
I said after West Ham that we would give City a game. We pick and choose when to turn up. That today was like the FA cup game v Sunderland.
Awful.
Spurs can’t win at home. Welcome Everton!
Keane - new contract
Mykolenko
Ireogbunam
McNeil
Barry
Patterson
Dibling
Ndiaye needs benching
All above need moving on and this squad needs a massive overhaul.
Too slow. No fight. No resilience. Boring passive play.
Why can we give City a game and then play like that?
I said after West Ham that we would give City a game. We pick and choose when to turn up. That today was like the FA cup game v Sunderland.
Awful.
Spurs can’t win at home. Welcome Everton!
Eddie Dunn
63 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:04:27
63 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:04:27
Well, we got our goal from Rohl just having a "go". Very little else of a positive to report apart from Garner's industry and George's cameo.
The players lacked energy from the off but even though Sunderland were equally dull, their changes worked a treat and ours didn't.
O'Brien, the lad exposed for the donkey he is. Perhaps he can play at CB but he has the touch of an undertaker.
Tim was very poor. KDH was overplaying and Ndiaye has frustrated the hell out of me since he came back from Africa. The guy has blown so many chances.
Moyes has kept us out of a relegation scrap, so I should be thankful but I am left thinking that he could have got more out of this squad.
Who would want to come and play for us?
The players lacked energy from the off but even though Sunderland were equally dull, their changes worked a treat and ours didn't.
O'Brien, the lad exposed for the donkey he is. Perhaps he can play at CB but he has the touch of an undertaker.
Tim was very poor. KDH was overplaying and Ndiaye has frustrated the hell out of me since he came back from Africa. The guy has blown so many chances.
Moyes has kept us out of a relegation scrap, so I should be thankful but I am left thinking that he could have got more out of this squad.
Who would want to come and play for us?
Oliver Molloy
64 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:05:05
64 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:05:05
Just same old same old - we are a very ordinary football team with a very ordinary football manager who plays one way all the time.
If he is in charge next season, we can all expect the same -- no matter who the fuck we sign.
If he is in charge next season, we can all expect the same -- no matter who the fuck we sign.
Andrew Bentley
65 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:05:46
65 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:05:46
Ruins our transfer window options for us in the summer as well.
The last 6 matches have been horrific. The players look knackered tbh
The last 6 matches have been horrific. The players look knackered tbh
Ron Marr
66 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:08:31
66 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:08:31
Kinnear out as well.
What KPI's are he using to justify keeping Moyes?
What KPI's are he using to justify keeping Moyes?
Mike Powell
67 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:08:33
67 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:08:33
What an absolute shit show of a performance, there as been some bad games this season, but that as got to be the worst.
We have got to get at least six quality players in next season, most of that team are just not good enough.
We have got to get at least six quality players in next season, most of that team are just not good enough.
Chris Leyland
68 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:12:28
68 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:12:28
Get the dinasour gone as manager. That side stank of his whole out-dated approach to football. 6 wins alll season at home and constantly throwing away leads and conceding goals yet he picks the same accidents waiting to happen week in and week out.
Also, if anyone is stupid enough to bid £60m for Ndiaye then snap their hands off. His attitude today was a disgrace.
Also, if anyone is stupid enough to bid £60m for Ndiaye then snap their hands off. His attitude today was a disgrace.
Ian Wilkins
69 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:13:18
69 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:13:18
So that's it... I'm supposed to be grateful for no relegation scrap this year? Is that the level of ambition of our club, our fans…
For god's sake, change the manager, drop the negativity, drop the sourpuss tactics. Please give us some hope, some belief, a winning mentality.
Sorry but I'm not thankful to be watching this. As predicted, Xhaka ran the game today, no plan to stop him. They controlled the game and were worthy winners. Better than us in all departments, more progressive manager.
For god's sake, change the manager, drop the negativity, drop the sourpuss tactics. Please give us some hope, some belief, a winning mentality.
Sorry but I'm not thankful to be watching this. As predicted, Xhaka ran the game today, no plan to stop him. They controlled the game and were worthy winners. Better than us in all departments, more progressive manager.
Mike Price
70 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:13:32
70 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:13:32
The players look tired and unfit yet play the absolute minimum number of games?!
I hate watching us, it’s a form of torture. Even if we win the football is very rarely enjoyable to watch.
We’re being gaslit by commentators saying what a good job Moyes is doing; patronising, inaccurate and sickening to think we have to keep enduring this joyless misery.
I hate watching us, it’s a form of torture. Even if we win the football is very rarely enjoyable to watch.
We’re being gaslit by commentators saying what a good job Moyes is doing; patronising, inaccurate and sickening to think we have to keep enduring this joyless misery.
Christy Ring
71 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:14:53
71 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:14:53
Total shambles. Did I expect anything different after Moyes picked the same team and formation again, considering we haven't won in our last 5 Games, NO. His substitutions an absolute joke again, Tim booked after 25 min's, and he leaves home on until the 74th minute, and he brings McNeill on as well. Tarkowski and Keane are finished, hopefully Moyes as well. Calvert-Lewin scored his 14th today, Moyes got rid and brought in Barry? Moyes will still show his arrogance at his Spurs press conference.
John Keating
72 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:14:59
72 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:14:59
I think most of them switched off when we got to 40 points
We have played some crap at home this season but that exhibition ranks amongst the top
Doubt any of them came iff with any sweat on their shirts
Back to front from Pickford to Beto the lot were a disgrace
What has happened to Illi?????
We have played some crap at home this season but that exhibition ranks amongst the top
Doubt any of them came iff with any sweat on their shirts
Back to front from Pickford to Beto the lot were a disgrace
What has happened to Illi?????
Craig Walker
73 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:15:37
73 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:15:37
One more thing, Pickford was awful today. I know he has saved us so many times but he seems to be overwhelmed when he faces Sunderland.
I don’t blame O’Brien for the goal mainly, I blame Tarkowski. Joe foes he end up on his arse there?
I don’t blame O’Brien for the goal mainly, I blame Tarkowski. Joe foes he end up on his arse there?
Jim Bennings
74 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:20:06
74 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:20:06
I reckon that has probably done for Moyes today with the owners in fairness.
I've not been in the anti-Moyes brigade and all the chants and calls for his head because prior to Christmas I thought he was doing a steady, not spectacular but certainly a steady job putting in some really good results where you thought we could build on such as winning 1-0 at Old Trafford but we have just completely deteriorated since March.
The home form has been unacceptable, 2 home wins since December 9th when you are at a new stadium, it's completely appalling that return and 8 losses is just too much.
Losing twice to a Liverpool team that is basically in a point of crisis, losing 3-0 at home to the worst Spurs side since Christian Gross went on the Tube in 1997, losing in both Cups early on.
It will go down unfortunately as another season to forget and one where no promise remotely fulfilled even.
I've not been in the anti-Moyes brigade and all the chants and calls for his head because prior to Christmas I thought he was doing a steady, not spectacular but certainly a steady job putting in some really good results where you thought we could build on such as winning 1-0 at Old Trafford but we have just completely deteriorated since March.
The home form has been unacceptable, 2 home wins since December 9th when you are at a new stadium, it's completely appalling that return and 8 losses is just too much.
Losing twice to a Liverpool team that is basically in a point of crisis, losing 3-0 at home to the worst Spurs side since Christian Gross went on the Tube in 1997, losing in both Cups early on.
It will go down unfortunately as another season to forget and one where no promise remotely fulfilled even.
Brian Denton
75 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:20:48
75 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:20:48
Christ on a bike.
DCL goal just about guarantees Shite CL place too.
Everton, you've been livin' hell to me as Johny Cash might have sung.
DCL goal just about guarantees Shite CL place too.
Everton, you've been livin' hell to me as Johny Cash might have sung.
Andy Meighan
76 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:21:45
76 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:21:45
I've defended Moyes to the hilt. Sorry... no more.
Them 2 at centre-backs have leaked goals galore, yet he continues to play them because he's a stubborn prick.
O'Brien is never a right-back in a million years yet he continues to play him, we can all see it yet he's getting paid millions and can't.
The same old predictable subs, the Barry for Beto or vice versa is absolutely infuriating. Ndiaye should have been hooked at half time but continued to play the whole game -- it's farcical.
After witnessing the last few weeks, I want him gone, there's 2 good managers up for grabs there just go and get one of them to see if they can transform the club.
Mykolenko offered a new contract ditto Keane, that's absolutely criminal the two of them are dreadful as is Tarkowski.
That first half was bad enough but that 2nd half was truly embarrassing but Moyes must have said at ht we hold what we have boys.
As soon as they equalised, everyone knew the outcome apart from the manager, his in-game management is fucking atrocious. I apologise to anyone on here who I've called for calling Moyes out but I can't defend this fella no more.
That display today alone should be enough for this board to act, because weve seen enough of this type of performance from him down the years.
Not a prayer they will though so expect more of the same next season, we won't get a better chance of qualifying for Europe than this season, but Moyes and his team selections have seen to that.
He's steadied the ship but sorry it's time to go.
Them 2 at centre-backs have leaked goals galore, yet he continues to play them because he's a stubborn prick.
O'Brien is never a right-back in a million years yet he continues to play him, we can all see it yet he's getting paid millions and can't.
The same old predictable subs, the Barry for Beto or vice versa is absolutely infuriating. Ndiaye should have been hooked at half time but continued to play the whole game -- it's farcical.
After witnessing the last few weeks, I want him gone, there's 2 good managers up for grabs there just go and get one of them to see if they can transform the club.
Mykolenko offered a new contract ditto Keane, that's absolutely criminal the two of them are dreadful as is Tarkowski.
That first half was bad enough but that 2nd half was truly embarrassing but Moyes must have said at ht we hold what we have boys.
As soon as they equalised, everyone knew the outcome apart from the manager, his in-game management is fucking atrocious. I apologise to anyone on here who I've called for calling Moyes out but I can't defend this fella no more.
That display today alone should be enough for this board to act, because weve seen enough of this type of performance from him down the years.
Not a prayer they will though so expect more of the same next season, we won't get a better chance of qualifying for Europe than this season, but Moyes and his team selections have seen to that.
He's steadied the ship but sorry it's time to go.
Tony Hughes
77 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:22:03
77 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:22:03
Whole new back needed to supplement a hopefully fit Branthwaite.
The thought of O'Brien at CH gives me the heebee jeebees.
Ndyiaye needs to get working on his shooting, he strikes the ball weakly and seems to scuff the ball instead of getting a clean hit on it.
Most of all Moyes needs to go
The thought of O'Brien at CH gives me the heebee jeebees.
Ndyiaye needs to get working on his shooting, he strikes the ball weakly and seems to scuff the ball instead of getting a clean hit on it.
Most of all Moyes needs to go
Sean Kearns
78 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:24:43
78 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:24:43
Get John Stones in next to Jarrad at the back, I think O’Brien was good at CB too and can be the third… Fuck Tarky and Keane raaaaa off!… get Liam Delap, Richy, Sign George and Grealish. And get Eddie Howe in!!! And a good 2nd keeper to keep Jordan on his toes. Man is too comfortable…. But this might mean changes at Spuds next week which will throw them off and hopefully we send them down!!!!!! Come on you irons!
Gavin Johnson
79 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:26:13
79 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:26:13
I should be more angry than I am at the result, but my overall feeling is at 11th is our level right now. Brentford are simply better than us and have been more consistent throughout the season.
Teams like Brighton and Bournemouth have also had a couple of years on us rebuilding.
I'm not anti-Moyes by any stretch. Its been a nice change not to have relegation worries like the previous few years, but I think we are missing a trick by not going all out to get Araola or Glasner and moving Moyes upstairs.
The fullbacks have to be replaced. We also need to move on the likes of Iroebungan, Alcaraz, McNeil, Beto and even Barry if we can find a buyer.
I think Moyes will improve us in the summer, and we'll finish between 6th and 8th next year, but is that enough for some supporters when they feel we could have got a 6th to a 8th finish this season.
Teams like Brighton and Bournemouth have also had a couple of years on us rebuilding.
I'm not anti-Moyes by any stretch. Its been a nice change not to have relegation worries like the previous few years, but I think we are missing a trick by not going all out to get Araola or Glasner and moving Moyes upstairs.
The fullbacks have to be replaced. We also need to move on the likes of Iroebungan, Alcaraz, McNeil, Beto and even Barry if we can find a buyer.
I think Moyes will improve us in the summer, and we'll finish between 6th and 8th next year, but is that enough for some supporters when they feel we could have got a 6th to a 8th finish this season.
Mark Ryan
80 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:26:30
80 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:26:30
Slightly better season than Spurs and they will beat us to survive. Slightly better season than West Ham. Slightly better season than Forest but at least they had a cup run.
I hate the thought of Moyes being allowed to stay and hear his pre match pressers next season about how we need to get used to the new stadium ad nauseum.
Sack the boring tit now please and allow me to dream over the summer months that my club is going to at least try having a cup run next season. Moyes Out!
I hate the thought of Moyes being allowed to stay and hear his pre match pressers next season about how we need to get used to the new stadium ad nauseum.
Sack the boring tit now please and allow me to dream over the summer months that my club is going to at least try having a cup run next season. Moyes Out!
Steve Brown
81 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:29:52
81 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:29:52
Angus Kinnear’s comments now like as embarrassing as @5. “We value the stability that David brings and the ability this gives the whole Club to plan for the long term.”
By stabilty he must mean firmly established, steady failure.
Moyes cannot be trusted to spend money this summer.
By stabilty he must mean firmly established, steady failure.
Moyes cannot be trusted to spend money this summer.
Terry Farrell
82 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:30:54
82 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:30:54
Loads of people on here called it on the Chat mix it up Moyes with the concensus that tarks and Keane cannot partner up as they are too slow. I also said how managers in the modern game throw on all 5 subs and go shit or bust and so it came to pass! Jake misplaced his pass but that should not lead to a goal through the centre and the irony is that Jake would have been there to snuff that chance out. Sorry for Seamus that his last home game ended like that but thats football and he knows that.
Dean Johnson
83 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:32:19
83 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:32:19
We simply don't have enough decent players. Look at it objectively -- a bunch of misfits and no-hopers left out by other teams. Moyes is getting the most out of them.
Mid-table is where we must accept we are.
Mid-table is where we must accept we are.
Steve Brown
84 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:34:27
84 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:34:27
If that is getting the most out of them I’d be scared to see him failing.
Phil Rodgers
85 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:35:43
85 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:35:43
I think our major problem at home stems from the fact that our 2 centre halves are too slow for us to play on the front foot. We play far too deep at home and we allow the opposition, regardless of their quality far too much possession. We have some decent attacking players but they are hamstrung by negative tactics and in Ndiayes case, pure exhaustion. I think we need to completely rebuild our defence because they are only gonna get slower.
Rob Jones
86 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:36:38
86 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:36:38
Shit line-up. Shit performance. Amateur hour. We should have gone with Aznou and Patterson at full-back, O'Brien in the middle.
I've been a vocal Moyes backer, to the point of being labelled an apologist.
That's finished for me today. There are decent players in this team. Not amazing, but decent. And they've been criminally utilised of late. We should have finished in Europe based on the platform we had going into the last stretch of the season.
Instead, our last win of the season was at home to a fucking catastrophically poor Chelsea side.
Go out and get Glasner or Iraola. I can't watch that football if it's not yielding results.
I've been a vocal Moyes backer, to the point of being labelled an apologist.
That's finished for me today. There are decent players in this team. Not amazing, but decent. And they've been criminally utilised of late. We should have finished in Europe based on the platform we had going into the last stretch of the season.
Instead, our last win of the season was at home to a fucking catastrophically poor Chelsea side.
Go out and get Glasner or Iraola. I can't watch that football if it's not yielding results.
John Davies
87 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:38:12
87 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:38:12
Gavin #79: When you say move Moyes upstairs, I trust you mean upstairs on a double decker bus to Scotland! LOL!
Andrew Clare
88 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:41:18
88 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:41:18
Keep Moyes and we will go nowhere.
It’s guaranteed that if he is retained we will have another dreadful season.
It’s quite plain to see that he has no more to offer.
It’s guaranteed that if he is retained we will have another dreadful season.
It’s quite plain to see that he has no more to offer.
Tony Heron
89 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:41:55
89 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:41:55
I just don't know how so many defend Moyes
Sunderland played us off the park from start to finish yet once again instead of reading the game and considering a tactical change it's passed the 70th minute before a sub is made. Ndiaye has stunk for the last few games but still stays on. Big mistake by O'brien, but I think Tarks could have done better. A decent defender would have forced him wide and stood his ground. Very poor. Oh for a Manager with ideas and more than 1 plan.
Sunderland played us off the park from start to finish yet once again instead of reading the game and considering a tactical change it's passed the 70th minute before a sub is made. Ndiaye has stunk for the last few games but still stays on. Big mistake by O'brien, but I think Tarks could have done better. A decent defender would have forced him wide and stood his ground. Very poor. Oh for a Manager with ideas and more than 1 plan.
Mark Ryan
90 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:42:33
90 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:42:33
Why move him upstairs. Get rid. We owe him the square root of nothing. Get rid of him now
Jay Harris
91 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:43:39
91 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:43:39
On a day when other results went our way the players showed their lack of bottle and played like they had lead in their boots.
The club from to to bottom needs to look at recent games and do something about it.
We cannot go into next season with this squad and tactics.
The club from to to bottom needs to look at recent games and do something about it.
We cannot go into next season with this squad and tactics.
Andy Meighan
92 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:44:43
92 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:44:43
Rob 86.
I posted very similar to that before.
I apologise to anyone I've offended who's called him out, but after witnessing the embarrassing performances of the last few weeks, I want him gone. That today was an absolute shitshow.
I posted very similar to that before.
I apologise to anyone I've offended who's called him out, but after witnessing the embarrassing performances of the last few weeks, I want him gone. That today was an absolute shitshow.
Darren Hind
93 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:46:03
93 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:46:03
Booed off yet AGAIN !!!
Moyes is the Moysieh.
Tarks is the Rock
Seamus is a Legend.
Thats not just 14m quid absolutely spunked. Its 14m that has been happy clapped right through the season by people who have no clue what they are talking about. I sincerely hope TFG do not listen to this ill-informed shite and believe the customer is satisfied.
These three were never any good in the first place. The fact that they have been allowed to bleed the club dry for the past two seasons says everything about it
Sickened
Moyes is the Moysieh.
Tarks is the Rock
Seamus is a Legend.
Thats not just 14m quid absolutely spunked. Its 14m that has been happy clapped right through the season by people who have no clue what they are talking about. I sincerely hope TFG do not listen to this ill-informed shite and believe the customer is satisfied.
These three were never any good in the first place. The fact that they have been allowed to bleed the club dry for the past two seasons says everything about it
Sickened
Kevin Molloy
94 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:47:13
94 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:47:13
wow. what a shocking end to what was up until a month ago a season to be optimistic about.
I'd love to know what went on for those three weeks we weren't playing. How is it possible for so many players form to fall off a cliff like that?
Ndiaye has been 'king terrible, even worse Tarkowski, and now Keane and O'brien have become infected. KDH and Garner up until the last month have been great, but what on earth has happened? It's an astonishing plunge in form. Players who couldn't get neat the team like Rohl and George now look like the only players with a plan. I wonder will we ever get to the bottom of what has happened.
And that ridiculous CEO, 'Moyes gives us stability to plan for the long term'. ie, it's highly unlikely we'll ever get relegated with Davy, and that's 'job done' as far as we're concerned.
It's such a shame to see the season ending like this.
I'd love to know what went on for those three weeks we weren't playing. How is it possible for so many players form to fall off a cliff like that?
Ndiaye has been 'king terrible, even worse Tarkowski, and now Keane and O'brien have become infected. KDH and Garner up until the last month have been great, but what on earth has happened? It's an astonishing plunge in form. Players who couldn't get neat the team like Rohl and George now look like the only players with a plan. I wonder will we ever get to the bottom of what has happened.
And that ridiculous CEO, 'Moyes gives us stability to plan for the long term'. ie, it's highly unlikely we'll ever get relegated with Davy, and that's 'job done' as far as we're concerned.
It's such a shame to see the season ending like this.
Clive Rogers
95 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:47:15
95 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:47:15
Moyes’s use of subs is woeful. It was obvious at half time the formation was working and again after HT, but he waited till we lost the lead and then another 14 mins before making a change. He very rarely makes a change before the 70th min.
Andrew Merrick
96 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:47:33
96 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:47:33
I don't hate Moyes the man, but his days are done for me.
We have ridden our luck as a club, through really turgid times.
We are now safely mid table so thanks and goodbye David.
The exact squad rebuild should involve the new manager, this needs to be the first appointment.
No time to lose tfg...
We have ridden our luck as a club, through really turgid times.
We are now safely mid table so thanks and goodbye David.
The exact squad rebuild should involve the new manager, this needs to be the first appointment.
No time to lose tfg...
Rob Jones
97 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:49:16
97 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:49:16
Yeah... time to go, Moyes.
Ian Pilkington
98 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:51:02
98 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:51:02
A desperately sad farewell for Seamus.
He should be rewarded with the appointment of interim joint manager with Leighton for the Spurs match.
Moyes should be sacked immediately after this latest debacle. Their is no case whatsoever for retaining him.
He should be rewarded with the appointment of interim joint manager with Leighton for the Spurs match.
Moyes should be sacked immediately after this latest debacle. Their is no case whatsoever for retaining him.
Tony Heron
99 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:58:00
99 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:58:00
25 minutes gone in West Ham V Newcastle and Nuno Santos decides he needs to change things and brings on a sub. See Davy subs are allowed before the 70th minute!!
Gavin Johnson
100 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:58:48
100 Posted 17/05/2026 at 17:58:48
John & Mark, If anything I'd move Moyes upstairs so he can come back and be fire fighter as interim manager if Glasner or Araola didn't work out.
I think Moyes will still be here next season and he'll build upon this season and we will get a lower European place, but he'll still ostracise some of the younger players, be fixed in his tactics and he'll frustrate large sections of our support.
I think Moyes will still be here next season and he'll build upon this season and we will get a lower European place, but he'll still ostracise some of the younger players, be fixed in his tactics and he'll frustrate large sections of our support.
Mark Ryan
101 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:01:48
101 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:01:48
Moyes has won nothing managing our club. He can't beat an egg. Get rid. He's a serial average Joe. Deliver me from evil, amen
Anthony Dove
102 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:02:19
102 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:02:19
The awful thing is that as long as the Moyesasurus is here it’s like
Kenwright is still in control.
Kenwright is still in control.
Ron Marr
103 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:08:04
103 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:08:04
Moyes last season 31 points in 19 games, 1.63 points per game, extrapolates to 62 points pers season. Not bad.
Moyes this season 49 points in 37 games, 1.32 points per game. Seems more like a decline than stability. Moyes and the 'Committee' spend 100+ million on players. Moyes starts one of them. There is a total disconnect with the 'Committee'.
I'm not a big fan of Iraola or Glasner (if Everton lost to a non-league team Blues on Merseyside would never hear the end of it) but would prefer them or Maresca to Moyes.
Moyes does not engender any optimism for next season.
Moyes this season 49 points in 37 games, 1.32 points per game. Seems more like a decline than stability. Moyes and the 'Committee' spend 100+ million on players. Moyes starts one of them. There is a total disconnect with the 'Committee'.
I'm not a big fan of Iraola or Glasner (if Everton lost to a non-league team Blues on Merseyside would never hear the end of it) but would prefer them or Maresca to Moyes.
Moyes does not engender any optimism for next season.
Mick O\\\'Malley
104 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:08:16
104 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:08:16
I honestly can't believe that weve got Tarkowski and Keane turning out for us 10 years after being perennial relegation threatened Burnleys centre half pairing, I know if Braithwaite wasn't injured he'd be playing instead of Keane but to still have Tarkowski plundering about at centre half is a disgrace as far as I'm concerned, the whole back 4 where shocking today, Tarkowski was like a fish out of water flopping about when Brobbey equalised, I am devastated he's got a contract extension,
23 points at home is terrible, 6 wins, similar points tally to Dyche, where is the improvement after the £100 million plus spend last summer? I'm in the Moyes to be moved on camp now, today was a disgusting performance and our Dour Davey was out thought again by a younger manager, Moyes is our very own Roy Hodgson, the game has moved on since his last time here, can we move on please
23 points at home is terrible, 6 wins, similar points tally to Dyche, where is the improvement after the £100 million plus spend last summer? I'm in the Moyes to be moved on camp now, today was a disgusting performance and our Dour Davey was out thought again by a younger manager, Moyes is our very own Roy Hodgson, the game has moved on since his last time here, can we move on please
Mark Ryan
105 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:09:26
105 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:09:26
Anthony Dove, spot on. The ghost looms large all the time he is here. I don't want to hear Moyess dour tones again apart from him saying bye
Mihir Ambardekar
106 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:09:59
106 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:09:59
Absolute embarrassment. I would not give Moyes any more time. We clearly have average players in our squad. Its because of this we cant play front foot foot ball. There are some serious concentration issues in our squad. Tarkowski, Keane, O Brien at RB and Mykolenko as a LB we are not going to anywhere with them. Bang average players! We can just get a lower mid table finish with these players. Unless we replace them with quality and pace. Honestly Sunderland were shite and scored all the goals as a result of mistakes
Mike Price
107 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:10:42
107 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:10:42
The losing mentality seeps throughout the club. The pathetic jobs for the boys mentality; who is Moyes to say Coleman has a job at Everton for life? They’re losers, Baines is a loser, when will we clear out the deadwood once and for all?!
If they don’t sack Moyes there is absolutely no hope for an entertaining season, it will be an absolute rinse and repeat. Surely we deserve a bit of hope and a change from the losing culture. If we can’t do it with new ownership then all hope is surely lost
If they don’t sack Moyes there is absolutely no hope for an entertaining season, it will be an absolute rinse and repeat. Surely we deserve a bit of hope and a change from the losing culture. If we can’t do it with new ownership then all hope is surely lost
Allan Board
108 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:12:20
108 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:12:20
8 points from last 8 games. Moyes justified at 40 pts. Lost twice to a crap shite team. Continually plays players out of position - plays his favourite's- won't give youth a chance- won't listen to his staff- sets out not to lose all the time - afraid of handing his team the game- trusts only players he can manipulate- risk averse - only interested in his own CV- outdated tactics- minus goal difference- has no nerve- staff are ALL yes men( like Phil Neal with Graham Taylor) - all about him- Everton need to consider themselves lucky- deliberately makes us the underdog- deliberately talks up the opposition- has zero idea how to influence a result by tactics/substitutions. Pissed off? Definitely. Seen this before? Virtually every season. Did Dyche do any worse? No he did not. Has Moyes had money? Yes,he has. Is Moyes the future? Categorically NO. Should I " be careful for what I wish for?" No. Are we any better? Clearly no. Does the table lie? No. Can the results give a false interpretation? No, you end up where you deserve to. Who bears the brunt always? The fans. Is the CP manager out of work in the summer? Yes. Is he better than Moyes? 100% and already won more than him in a tenth of the time. Are the tactics/training ruining this team? Absolutely. Are Everton gutless? Yes. Who's to blame? The bloody manager! He breeds gutless players frightened to show there full potential for fear of retribution by him. Do I dislike him? No. Should he be manager next season? No. The reason? He's had 14years at Everton and won Jack shit. Any chance of EFC ever challenging again? Not with this ilk of Manager no. It hasn't been better, the team is no better, the points tally is the same- the temperament of the players has not been improved and the game management by the players is a bloody joke, all the gear ( new stadium) and no idea. And,the final insult- they are in the European Cup,again next season, when, before we played them at HD it was up for us. I want Glasner- but I wanted Carrick ( and got laughed at) look where he is now. Stick with Moyes and mediocrity is what you deserve- and you'll get. Spurs will smash us next week. He's already give up.
Tommy Carter
109 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:14:15
109 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:14:15
@ Terry 82
It’s clear as crystal that these should not be paired together. Most were solidly of the opinion that Keane is not good enough for the Everton first team.
The slowest CB pairing since Watson and Gough. Except this is not 1999 and neither Tarks or Keane could lace the boots of their historic counterparts in their prime.
The fact that Moyes sees that pairing them is an acceptable concept is questionable. The fact he’s stuck by it in spite of awful outcomes is completely negligent.
But it’s little old Everton isn’t it. And we couldn’t possibly have achieved any better than what he’s delivered for us this season so let’s just wind our necks in and be happy
It’s clear as crystal that these should not be paired together. Most were solidly of the opinion that Keane is not good enough for the Everton first team.
The slowest CB pairing since Watson and Gough. Except this is not 1999 and neither Tarks or Keane could lace the boots of their historic counterparts in their prime.
The fact that Moyes sees that pairing them is an acceptable concept is questionable. The fact he’s stuck by it in spite of awful outcomes is completely negligent.
But it’s little old Everton isn’t it. And we couldn’t possibly have achieved any better than what he’s delivered for us this season so let’s just wind our necks in and be happy
Joe McMahon
110 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:22:13
110 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:22:13
I'm, going to control.my language (for a change). But I don't want this incapable negative tosser in charge for the last match.
Well done Sunderland you got one over the manager that relegated you!
Well done Sunderland you got one over the manager that relegated you!
Christy Ring
111 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:22:22
111 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:22:22
Our best Player today was Rohl, he couldn’t get into our team for months, and George wasn’t far behind him, having played only 15 min’s? That says everything about Moyes stubbornness with tactics and formation. Ndiaye has been awful for the last few games, KDH looks tired, Tim booked early again today, and poor again, Tarkowski and Keane crap again, Mykolenko shocking, and Moyes still won’t try O’Brien at centreback, Patterson right back, Aznou left, Armstrong in midfield? Why won’t he make changes, and be held accountable?
Paul Hewitt
112 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:24:17
112 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:24:17
Moyes should go and manage Celtic. About his fucking level.
John Collins
113 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:27:18
113 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:27:18
What is the surprise?
I posted after the derby we wouldn't finish top half.
Can any of the posters advocating Moyes stays, after the performance today, please post to say why.
I posted after the derby we wouldn't finish top half.
Can any of the posters advocating Moyes stays, after the performance today, please post to say why.
Liam Wilson
114 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:27:54
114 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:27:54
No, Moyes should go and manage Rangers. About his fucking level. Or Hearts
Gavin Johnson
115 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:31:20
115 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:31:20
Rohl could have slotted in at RB, with Ndiaye on the right and George starting on the left, meaning O'Brien could have moved to CB, but that would be too daring for Moyes.
IMO O'Brien would be my choice as CB next season with Branthwaite. Tarks and Keane being 3rd and 4th choice.
I think its criminal how underused the young players have been this season. George looks like he is a good player but we have not seen enough of him to justify playing the 20 odd million Chelsea want. He should have been given enough time on the pitch to impress. Especially when Ndiaye has been running on fumes since Chelsea.
Rohl would have been sent back if we hadn't have been obliged to sign him. Aznou and Dibling look like they have no future at the club. These are failings of Moyes not getting the most out of the players he's got.
At the same time, I do think we'll get a lower European place next season, but is that worth it when we can also bring in a manager who should also be able to build and achieve that without ostracising young players being more flexible tactically.
IMO O'Brien would be my choice as CB next season with Branthwaite. Tarks and Keane being 3rd and 4th choice.
I think its criminal how underused the young players have been this season. George looks like he is a good player but we have not seen enough of him to justify playing the 20 odd million Chelsea want. He should have been given enough time on the pitch to impress. Especially when Ndiaye has been running on fumes since Chelsea.
Rohl would have been sent back if we hadn't have been obliged to sign him. Aznou and Dibling look like they have no future at the club. These are failings of Moyes not getting the most out of the players he's got.
At the same time, I do think we'll get a lower European place next season, but is that worth it when we can also bring in a manager who should also be able to build and achieve that without ostracising young players being more flexible tactically.
Bill Fairfield
116 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:32:46
116 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:32:46
Awful performance. Bang average league position,
From a bang average team. Seamus deserved a better send off.
From a bang average team. Seamus deserved a better send off.
John Collins
117 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:33:07
117 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:33:07
Paul H 112.
If he does Hearts will break the 40 consecutive years of Glasgow teams winning the title.
If he does Hearts will break the 40 consecutive years of Glasgow teams winning the title.
Mark Ryan
118 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:35:17
118 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:35:17
Lost more games than we have won, how is that acceptable by TFG ? When the season is over Spurs will have lost one more game than us ? wtf and they have been terrible, absolutely awful ! So how does anyone see this as progress. Moyes lovers, you are as deluded as he is
Dave Lynch
119 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:37:47
119 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:37:47
Let's get one thing straight.
It's not "who would you play"... it's how you fucking tell them to play and how you set them up to play.
Moyes is inept and clueless on both counts.
It's not "who would you play"... it's how you fucking tell them to play and how you set them up to play.
Moyes is inept and clueless on both counts.
Kunal Desai
120 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:38:27
120 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:38:27
It'll be 5 wins out of 19 after next week.
A manager still playing Keane and Tarkowski as a CB pairing. If that were Dyche he'd be lynched, so why is it any different with this manager??
A manager still playing Keane and Tarkowski as a CB pairing. If that were Dyche he'd be lynched, so why is it any different with this manager??
John Collins
121 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:38:43
121 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:38:43
Mark 118.
Looking at West Ham here, Leeds will beat them and finish above us.
Cant see us getting anything at Spurs
Looking at West Ham here, Leeds will beat them and finish above us.
Cant see us getting anything at Spurs
Stan Grace
122 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:39:17
122 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:39:17
Time to part ways, this time for good. He hasn't progressed as a manager so we can't expect the team to either.
Stu Gre
123 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:39:42
123 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:39:42
Anthony Dove, spot on.
I wrote an article a few years ago about how our woes started the moment Kenwright became part of the club, before he even had majority shareholding. You can literally map our lack of success with BKs involvement.
Moyes is 100% a continuation of that.
I wrote an article a few years ago about how our woes started the moment Kenwright became part of the club, before he even had majority shareholding. You can literally map our lack of success with BKs involvement.
Moyes is 100% a continuation of that.
Dale Self
124 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:44:47
124 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:44:47
Have another go Allan 108!
Go on!
Go on!
Les Callan
125 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:49:17
125 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:49:17
Just back home. LinkA complete and utter abject disgrace. I see no discernable improvement whatsoever from Dyche days. One of the worst last day performances I’ve witnessed in over 70 years. On a par with the Southampton fiasco in the 70’s when beaten 3-0 by a team already relegated. Andy. Burnham for manager !
John Collins
126 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:51:00
126 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:51:00
Go ed Les.
Hes the only chance we have to get our party back to what it once was.
Hes the only chance we have to get our party back to what it once was.
Kieran Kinsella
127 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:52:27
127 Posted 17/05/2026 at 18:52:27
Garner was halfway decent but that’s about it for positives.
Ian Horan
128 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:00:44
128 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:00:44
Moyes interview after the game Sunderland held on WTAF!!! Sunderland 52% posession. Moyesiah the deluded one ffs
John Charles
129 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:00:49
129 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:00:49
Thanks Davie and goodbye.
Painful watch
Felt sorry for seamus there couldn’t have been more than 6000 (not 60) who stayed to see him off.
He positively raced around the pitch.
Painful watch
Felt sorry for seamus there couldn’t have been more than 6000 (not 60) who stayed to see him off.
He positively raced around the pitch.
Tony Abrahams
130 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:01:46
130 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:01:46
I’ve just got to Ron’s post@66, and have to agree with him 100%.
Happily dissatisfied - what an absolutely horrible quote that was Angus, a quote that fills me with dread.
I sat there today inside that absolutely beautiful stadium - looking around at supporters who deserve a lot better, and I thought to myself - I have always absolutely loved this football club - but we need serious people inside it now, people who have a need, to at least try and win.
The game was boring, the players tired, and yet this was only the 40th competitive game of our season, and is something I’ve witnessed many times over the years with David Moyes.
We knew we were safe from relegation at Christmas, said Angus, but people who need to win, would have already been seeing an opportunity to go and qualify for the champions league, at the turn of the year, instead of sitting on their laurels, doing nothing.
If the SILENT FRIEDKIN’S, had the time, (they’ve certainly got the money) they could have come to a few of our games and also done a little bit of research with past players. Doing either of those things would have resulted in them learning a lot about Evertonians, who are absolutely desperate for a good team because when they get one, they know they’ll do the rest.
It was a shame that things ended so sourly for Seamus Coleman, but I for one was glad to see people pouring out the stadium, because it’s time for us Evertonians, to start demanding a lot more.
Happily dissatisfied - what an absolutely horrible quote that was Angus, a quote that fills me with dread.
I sat there today inside that absolutely beautiful stadium - looking around at supporters who deserve a lot better, and I thought to myself - I have always absolutely loved this football club - but we need serious people inside it now, people who have a need, to at least try and win.
The game was boring, the players tired, and yet this was only the 40th competitive game of our season, and is something I’ve witnessed many times over the years with David Moyes.
We knew we were safe from relegation at Christmas, said Angus, but people who need to win, would have already been seeing an opportunity to go and qualify for the champions league, at the turn of the year, instead of sitting on their laurels, doing nothing.
If the SILENT FRIEDKIN’S, had the time, (they’ve certainly got the money) they could have come to a few of our games and also done a little bit of research with past players. Doing either of those things would have resulted in them learning a lot about Evertonians, who are absolutely desperate for a good team because when they get one, they know they’ll do the rest.
It was a shame that things ended so sourly for Seamus Coleman, but I for one was glad to see people pouring out the stadium, because it’s time for us Evertonians, to start demanding a lot more.
John Charles
131 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:03:20
131 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:03:20
We can’t carry one with Tarkowski but I don’t see anything in O’Brien that says he is any better.
What was seamus doing for the last goal?
What was seamus doing for the last goal?
Brian Denton
132 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:04:35
132 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:04:35
Imagine being a West Ham fan knowing that, if Chelsea beat Spurs in the week, your team could still stay up if Everton beat Spurs.
Then realise there is no fucking chance that Everton will even turn up!!!
Then realise there is no fucking chance that Everton will even turn up!!!
John Charles
133 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:06:09
133 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:06:09
Angus's face as he sat looking at a nearly empty stadium as the players flew round it at the end spoke volumes.
Wazza trying to chat to Jodie Comer and her turning her back (not saying it was on purpose) was priceless.
Wazza trying to chat to Jodie Comer and her turning her back (not saying it was on purpose) was priceless.
Julian Exshaw
134 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:08:20
134 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:08:20
Michael, there has been a lot of incompetence this season which does not reflect a club with ambition. It all started with poor recruitment last summer which continued during the winter transfer window. Who knows who is to blame for the inability to sign back-up full backs or a striker but it was unprofessional at best.
As fans we had to suffer two atrocious performances when we exited both cup competitions so early. The rest of the season has brought us fresh hope of better times but alas ended ultimately in failure. David Moyes spoke last week of how amazing it was to hear Everton spoken of as contenders for Europe. This irked me at the time considereing how poor this premier league season has been and when one looks at the likes of Bournemouth and Brentford who are some way ahead of us. How can that be? We are an established premier league team! Is it so strange to talk about us finishing 8th? Have we fallen so low?
Finally, what an awful end for a loyal servant of our club! Poor Seamus. He certainly didn't deserve that.
I have no idea how it progresses from here. If Moyes is to stay, which I am certain he will, it needs a summer of major investment, otherwise we will continue to stagnate in mid table for another season.
As fans we had to suffer two atrocious performances when we exited both cup competitions so early. The rest of the season has brought us fresh hope of better times but alas ended ultimately in failure. David Moyes spoke last week of how amazing it was to hear Everton spoken of as contenders for Europe. This irked me at the time considereing how poor this premier league season has been and when one looks at the likes of Bournemouth and Brentford who are some way ahead of us. How can that be? We are an established premier league team! Is it so strange to talk about us finishing 8th? Have we fallen so low?
Finally, what an awful end for a loyal servant of our club! Poor Seamus. He certainly didn't deserve that.
I have no idea how it progresses from here. If Moyes is to stay, which I am certain he will, it needs a summer of major investment, otherwise we will continue to stagnate in mid table for another season.
Kevin Naylor
135 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:11:15
135 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:11:15
What price Franky Lampards team beats us twice next season if the dour one is still here?
Tony Hughes
136 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:13:28
136 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:13:28
So Moyes has 12 months left on his contract? Are TFG going to spend big in the summer on a rebuild knowing he'll be gone a year later?
He needs to go now and we need to start afresh next season otherwise it'll more of the same from flat line Davey
He needs to go now and we need to start afresh next season otherwise it'll more of the same from flat line Davey
John Collins
137 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:14:10
137 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:14:10
Off topic. Apologies.
Left back West Ham got the best delivery I've seen all season.
Left back West Ham got the best delivery I've seen all season.
Tom Bowers
138 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:14:51
138 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:14:51
We lost to Leeds in the first game, won a couple against Brighton and Wolves but it's been mostly dross since then and someone says Moyes will take us forward--to where ????
Thank God only one game left !!!
Thank God only one game left !!!
Ian Bennett
139 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:25:07
139 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:25:07
Flat performance from a midfield that was poor in possession, offered little movement or threat. Gives the ball up for fun.
A horrible back 4 that just isn't good enough. Never has, a never will be. If you wonder why we play 2 defensive midfielders, it is because of the garbage behind them. Regardless of whether it is Moyes or not, we need multiple new players, as the defence has again shit the bed.
Ndiaye is either knackered or done.
Poor, really poor.
A horrible back 4 that just isn't good enough. Never has, a never will be. If you wonder why we play 2 defensive midfielders, it is because of the garbage behind them. Regardless of whether it is Moyes or not, we need multiple new players, as the defence has again shit the bed.
Ndiaye is either knackered or done.
Poor, really poor.
Kevin Molloy
140 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:30:43
140 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:30:43
This is now the worst of all possible worlds. Moyes now will be left dangling, no extension, but not terminated. So the West Ham situation, the players know he's not in a strong position, and this will leak into the whole club. He won't be given much money cos he's only got a year left, the Friedkins will proceed on a 'let's see how you get on' basis, but on the understanding he wont' be given much of a budget..
So a real chance we take this form into next season and are looking for a new manager come the new year, with a load of cheap players Moyes will have bought this summer.
Marvellous.
So a real chance we take this form into next season and are looking for a new manager come the new year, with a load of cheap players Moyes will have bought this summer.
Marvellous.
John Collins
141 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:31:53
141 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:31:53
Michael Kendrick.
You should email the owners, give them a link to this site.
You should email the owners, give them a link to this site.
Annika Herbert
142 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:35:29
142 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:35:29
A typical Moyes season in the end. All ambition gone once we were safe from relegation.
This season has been no better than Dyche’s last season, one more point after a £115 million spend! An absolute disgrace. Does anyone truly believe things will be any better if Moyes is allowed to spend our summer transfer budget?
It’s painfully obvious that both Keane and Tarkowski are no longer good enough to be our first choice centre backs, we urgently need a quality right back and can anyone really say Aznou couldn’t do a better job at left back?
Nothing has changed from when Moyes was last in charge. Boring, outdated, tactics, out of form players constantly selected and predictable substitutions. We will never progress with Moyes in charge, we will never win anything and we will constantly play with the handbrake on.
He isn’t and never will be a progressive manager. Moyes knows one way of playing and stubbornly sticks with it, regardless of how the game is going.
Martin @ 5, you got your usual defence of Moyes in early too, how does that look now after his latest disaster?
This season has been no better than Dyche’s last season, one more point after a £115 million spend! An absolute disgrace. Does anyone truly believe things will be any better if Moyes is allowed to spend our summer transfer budget?
It’s painfully obvious that both Keane and Tarkowski are no longer good enough to be our first choice centre backs, we urgently need a quality right back and can anyone really say Aznou couldn’t do a better job at left back?
Nothing has changed from when Moyes was last in charge. Boring, outdated, tactics, out of form players constantly selected and predictable substitutions. We will never progress with Moyes in charge, we will never win anything and we will constantly play with the handbrake on.
He isn’t and never will be a progressive manager. Moyes knows one way of playing and stubbornly sticks with it, regardless of how the game is going.
Martin @ 5, you got your usual defence of Moyes in early too, how does that look now after his latest disaster?
Stu Gre
143 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:40:37
143 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:40:37
Annika, your first sentence summed everything up. A typical Moyes season in the end. Flatters to deceive. Give you pretend hope, but ultimately he's a loser.
Kunal Desai
144 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:44:42
144 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:44:42
Over the next two months we'll get to see TFGs true colours and what ambitions they have for this club, are they serious about ellevating us to that next level of european football and endorsing we actually take cup competitions seriously or will they turn out to be blaggers along with the CEO, here just for the ride and rinse the club out commercially because they seen the opportunity to fleece everyone including it's fanbase.
The clock starts ticking as soon as the Spurs game is over. I await to see the serious business getting under way then, if they are serious.
The clock starts ticking as soon as the Spurs game is over. I await to see the serious business getting under way then, if they are serious.
Joe McMahon
145 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:44:59
145 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:44:59
Annika, I agree with every word. The thought of yet another season with Moyes is very bleak, another negative goal difference and negative football awaits.
Christy Ring
146 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:46:11
146 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:46:11
I’m worried for our younger players, Armstrong has massive potential, and Moyes for whatever reason doesn’t trust him, even though our midfield have been utter crap off late. We need a younger manager not afraid to change things.
Billy Shears
147 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:46:47
147 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:46:47
Sell...
Pickford
Pattison
Tarks
Keane
Myko
Gueye
Alcaraz
McNeil
N'Diaye
Beto
Barry...& start again...there all complacent, slow, greedy,got zero footballing brains, clumsy,no shame,no heart,no bottle & most importantly...NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OUR BELOVED CLUB... unless you're happy being the "Ultimate Teapot Team".
Pickford
Pattison
Tarks
Keane
Myko
Gueye
Alcaraz
McNeil
N'Diaye
Beto
Barry...& start again...there all complacent, slow, greedy,got zero footballing brains, clumsy,no shame,no heart,no bottle & most importantly...NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OUR BELOVED CLUB... unless you're happy being the "Ultimate Teapot Team".
Raymond Fox
148 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:48:22
148 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:48:22
Too many of the players are not good enough, thats the bottom line. Am I suprised we lost, no, you can't fancy us to beat anyone we don't score enough goals.
I've supported Moyes though the criticism but I think we need a clear out, both him to go and half the squad, it will soon go sour if Moyes stays and we get some poor results.
Whoever is the manager next season they need better players or it will be more of the same
I've supported Moyes though the criticism but I think we need a clear out, both him to go and half the squad, it will soon go sour if Moyes stays and we get some poor results.
Whoever is the manager next season they need better players or it will be more of the same
Billy Shears
149 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:53:01
149 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:53:01
I'd also pull out of ANY deal with Citeh regarding Grealish neither...& NOT look to sign any of our old players too!!
John Collins
150 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:54:22
150 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:54:22
Soucek will turn this around next season.
Paul Murray
151 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:55:43
151 Posted 17/05/2026 at 19:55:43
Absolute shambles today flip flops on big time thanks for that. Lots of players need moving on now and a new manager in. Moyes has done all he’s going to ever do safety and secure premiership but no entertainment or trophy’s. The football this season has been truly shocking mostly and a waste of our hard earned money sat watching this crap. I never leave early but I did today not getting a round of applause from me.
Please try and get cesc Fabregas in now but cannot see him leaving the great job he’s doing with como. Then go for irola and let him entertain us.
Disgusted with that performance today retire Moyes
Please try and get cesc Fabregas in now but cannot see him leaving the great job he’s doing with como. Then go for irola and let him entertain us.
Disgusted with that performance today retire Moyes
Jack Convery
152 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:02:51
152 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:02:51
I saw Reid talking with Sharp, during the 2nd half and he looked really pissed off, and kept shaking his head. I don't know what Sharp was saying to him but he didn't like it one bit.
Could it have been one of the following
Even money - Moyes is getting another 3 years.
2/1 - EFC will buy Soucek from WHU if they are relegated.
4/1 - Moyes will allow N'Diaye and Branthwaite to leave for a combined £80m.
10/1 - TFG will sack Moyes and appt SLOT if RS sack him.
Could it have been one of the following
Even money - Moyes is getting another 3 years.
2/1 - EFC will buy Soucek from WHU if they are relegated.
4/1 - Moyes will allow N'Diaye and Branthwaite to leave for a combined £80m.
10/1 - TFG will sack Moyes and appt SLOT if RS sack him.
Alan McGuffog
153 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:08:54
153 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:08:54
Kindly. Spot on. I want to see if there is a plan. Any plan ! The plan that Kenwright never had.
Or is it plus ca change...
Or is it plus ca change...
Mark Murphy
154 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:10:06
154 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:10:06
Billy
With the possible exception of Pickford, I’m not his biggest fan but he’s saved us three years running, I agree with all that.
Blue tinteds off - they’re all over rated
With the possible exception of Pickford, I’m not his biggest fan but he’s saved us three years running, I agree with all that.
Blue tinteds off - they’re all over rated
Ray Jacques
155 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:14:16
155 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:14:16
I've defended Moyes to the hilt this season as, for the first time in a while, we haven't been fighting relegation.
However, the past six games have opened my eyes (especially the derby and West Ham) that he has reached his limit with the team.
Glasner or Fabregas would be choices to replace him. It's the only way I see any future improvement, as the mentality to kick on isn't there. We've got the ground, hopefully the owners and set up, so what is stopping them?
However, the past six games have opened my eyes (especially the derby and West Ham) that he has reached his limit with the team.
Glasner or Fabregas would be choices to replace him. It's the only way I see any future improvement, as the mentality to kick on isn't there. We've got the ground, hopefully the owners and set up, so what is stopping them?
John Pickles
156 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:16:09
156 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:16:09
Well, myself, most Everton fans and Merlin Rohl would have loved the chance to play in Europe.
A few fans and clearly everybody else on the playing staff, couldn't give a shit! Season over!
A few fans and clearly everybody else on the playing staff, couldn't give a shit! Season over!
Iain Johnston
157 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:28:56
157 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:28:56
We'll finish 13th on 49 points -- a place & a point below Leeds, as we'll lose to Spurs and they'll do West Ham. I also have a sneaky feeling that Newcastle will finish above Brentford.
We're 4th from bottom in the form table, Chelsea same as us, Wolves then Burnley. Leeds are 2nd behind Man City.
Don't really want ot repeat what many have already said but Moyes must be shown the door and for me Ndiaye has done absolutely nothing since before the AfCon.
We're 4th from bottom in the form table, Chelsea same as us, Wolves then Burnley. Leeds are 2nd behind Man City.
Don't really want ot repeat what many have already said but Moyes must be shown the door and for me Ndiaye has done absolutely nothing since before the AfCon.
Andrew Clare
158 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:30:44
158 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:30:44
It's an absolute certainty that if Moyes is retained we will be facing another dreadful season.
Having him here for 11 years was a nightmare and then reappointing him was hell.
He is a bang average manager. He has to go.
Having him here for 11 years was a nightmare and then reappointing him was hell.
He is a bang average manager. He has to go.
Anthony Dwyer
159 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:41:37
159 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:41:37
Sad to see the crowd at the end for Seamus, but what an awful performance, literally typifies the home for for the season as a whole.
Big changes needed, some bold management and ambition imo needed.
The back 4 is awful, I've not seen a single other team as poor accross the back, especially on the ball as our lads.
Tarks has been a good servant, but we need to realise something we missed with both Baines and Coleman, football waits for no man, and there is no room in football for sentiment, his legs have gone and he should go too.
Keane has been better this season but at very best he's an average bottom 10 cb, if we want to push on he needs to go.
Ideally Obrien is good enough to partner Braithwaite, and also Braithwaite is fit enough to play at least 30 games, we then need to bring in a decent athletic young cb with pace and composure.
Myko at lb is solid but he needs competition at minimum, maybe he needs to back up a decent starter.
As for RB every man and his dog know we've needed one for 5 years. Spend a good portion of our funds on a RB who creates, has pace, can put a ball in and takes us up a level.
Next it's them two forwards, both average at best, both should go, maybe Lukaku on a free and go for a decent striker, my shout would be Nicolas Jackson, we have 2 lads from Senagal who can put a word in for us. Them two in for the 2 going out would massively improve us.
No Europe for next season by the looks of it so we should be bold, trim the squad of all the dead weight and replace with less players but higher quality.
Look how many games Dibling, Rhol, Armstrong, Aznou, Alkaraz, George, and Patterson have played between them, them 7 could easily be cut to 2 or 3 (Armstrong, Rhol and another could do them minutes using them to improve and push the starters out).
The outs matter as much or even more than the ins this pre season, we have to get the recruitment right this time round or we will have another very frustrating season, this lot of players had a real opportunity to get Europe, maybe even Champs league if they had a bit of backbone but they've fell short and basically bottled it.
Big changes needed, some bold management and ambition imo needed.
The back 4 is awful, I've not seen a single other team as poor accross the back, especially on the ball as our lads.
Tarks has been a good servant, but we need to realise something we missed with both Baines and Coleman, football waits for no man, and there is no room in football for sentiment, his legs have gone and he should go too.
Keane has been better this season but at very best he's an average bottom 10 cb, if we want to push on he needs to go.
Ideally Obrien is good enough to partner Braithwaite, and also Braithwaite is fit enough to play at least 30 games, we then need to bring in a decent athletic young cb with pace and composure.
Myko at lb is solid but he needs competition at minimum, maybe he needs to back up a decent starter.
As for RB every man and his dog know we've needed one for 5 years. Spend a good portion of our funds on a RB who creates, has pace, can put a ball in and takes us up a level.
Next it's them two forwards, both average at best, both should go, maybe Lukaku on a free and go for a decent striker, my shout would be Nicolas Jackson, we have 2 lads from Senagal who can put a word in for us. Them two in for the 2 going out would massively improve us.
No Europe for next season by the looks of it so we should be bold, trim the squad of all the dead weight and replace with less players but higher quality.
Look how many games Dibling, Rhol, Armstrong, Aznou, Alkaraz, George, and Patterson have played between them, them 7 could easily be cut to 2 or 3 (Armstrong, Rhol and another could do them minutes using them to improve and push the starters out).
The outs matter as much or even more than the ins this pre season, we have to get the recruitment right this time round or we will have another very frustrating season, this lot of players had a real opportunity to get Europe, maybe even Champs league if they had a bit of backbone but they've fell short and basically bottled it.
Si Cooper
160 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:53:30
160 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:53:30
I saw no evidence of players ‘wearing flip-flops’; what I saw was players unable to collectively deliver when it was most needed.
Can only hope the genuine root cause(s) for the season petering out so emphatically has been identified by the club and will be rectified as soon as possible.
At least we avoided the nearly obligatory VAR controversy in this fixture.
Can only hope the genuine root cause(s) for the season petering out so emphatically has been identified by the club and will be rectified as soon as possible.
At least we avoided the nearly obligatory VAR controversy in this fixture.
Christy Ring
161 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:55:32
161 Posted 17/05/2026 at 20:55:32
Moyes doesn’t believe in young players, won’t change formation, and won’t change things until the last 15mins, and the same substitutions. He should do the data’s Dyche, and say I can’t take the club further
Frank Worrall
162 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:01:38
162 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:01:38
If Moyse expected a repeat of the Man City performance from the same group of players he was quickly disabused within the first fifteen or so minutes and should have rung the changes without further delay. Instead he left them to wallow in the mire until there was no time left to do anything substantial to address the increasing shambles.
Swapping a struggling Ndiaye with an equally hapless Mac-Neill, leaving Tarky, Mykolenko and Keane to cope with the rampant Sunderland forward trio; and expecting Beto, and later Barry to somehow grab something from the few opportunities provided by the overrun midfielders proved too much. Why was George brought on so late and Patterson was surely preferable to the lumbering O'Brien?
To add to the, grim afternoon, it was not only disrespectful but quite frankly insulting to bring on Coleman so late in the game, even though he so richly deserved the rapturous applause awarded by the loyal, but disappointed supporters.
I have always been a fan of Moyse but it seems that he and his cohort of advisors are no longer up to the job of taking Everton further. A new manager with fresh ideas and a willingness to take risks is probably required. Almost certainly European football is now out of reach. The squad is ageing and in urgent need of refreshing; team selection, including a readiness to use substitutes and introduce younger, more enthusiastic players are just a few of the issues that face whoever is eventually put in charge.
Swapping a struggling Ndiaye with an equally hapless Mac-Neill, leaving Tarky, Mykolenko and Keane to cope with the rampant Sunderland forward trio; and expecting Beto, and later Barry to somehow grab something from the few opportunities provided by the overrun midfielders proved too much. Why was George brought on so late and Patterson was surely preferable to the lumbering O'Brien?
To add to the, grim afternoon, it was not only disrespectful but quite frankly insulting to bring on Coleman so late in the game, even though he so richly deserved the rapturous applause awarded by the loyal, but disappointed supporters.
I have always been a fan of Moyse but it seems that he and his cohort of advisors are no longer up to the job of taking Everton further. A new manager with fresh ideas and a willingness to take risks is probably required. Almost certainly European football is now out of reach. The squad is ageing and in urgent need of refreshing; team selection, including a readiness to use substitutes and introduce younger, more enthusiastic players are just a few of the issues that face whoever is eventually put in charge.
Les Callan
163 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:02:21
163 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:02:21
Can’t wait for the player ratings to come out !!!
Tommy Carter
164 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:03:56
164 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:03:56
@146 Christy
He literally had the best young player in the history of the game of football at his disposal and he didn’t trust him. ‘Managed him’ apparently. Went from playing left wing and making substitute appearances for a team that finished 17th (us) to being the standout player in major international tournament and upon his move to Man Utd being a number 1 pick immediately in their already amazing team.
He literally had the best young player in the history of the game of football at his disposal and he didn’t trust him. ‘Managed him’ apparently. Went from playing left wing and making substitute appearances for a team that finished 17th (us) to being the standout player in major international tournament and upon his move to Man Utd being a number 1 pick immediately in their already amazing team.
Kevin Molloy
165 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:11:32
165 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:11:32
Thinking about it, I reckon if they don't extend his contract and confirm a budget, he'll resign.
He won't want to go through another season like what happened at West Ham, and he doesn't need the money.
He won't want to go through another season like what happened at West Ham, and he doesn't need the money.
Mike Allison
166 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:42:09
166 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:42:09
“Look how many games Dibling, Rhol, Armstrong, Aznou, Alkaraz, George, and Patterson have played between them, them 7 could easily be cut to 2 or 3“
Anthony, the opposite of this. If “them 7” had played more, either in rotation or through proactive substitutions, we’d have a lot more points.
The ‘dead weight’ is Tarkowski, Keane and Moyes.
Anthony, the opposite of this. If “them 7” had played more, either in rotation or through proactive substitutions, we’d have a lot more points.
The ‘dead weight’ is Tarkowski, Keane and Moyes.
Dave Abrahams
167 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:51:22
167 Posted 17/05/2026 at 21:51:22
I can’t add to or disagree with the sentiments on this thread.
I was more than glad to see the back of him first time round.
I didn’t think he’d ever get the chance to come again but he did and we got the same no risk manager as the first time, even when there was no pressure on him in the second half of the season.
If he is still here next season then the owners haven’t had a good look at how this season has played out and good genuine supporters who really and truly love this club will be ignored and expected to watch more miserable performances like this one and pay more money to do so.
I hope they prove me wrong and listen to what the fans are saying— We’ve had more than enough of this stubborn mediocre manager.
I was more than glad to see the back of him first time round.
I didn’t think he’d ever get the chance to come again but he did and we got the same no risk manager as the first time, even when there was no pressure on him in the second half of the season.
If he is still here next season then the owners haven’t had a good look at how this season has played out and good genuine supporters who really and truly love this club will be ignored and expected to watch more miserable performances like this one and pay more money to do so.
I hope they prove me wrong and listen to what the fans are saying— We’ve had more than enough of this stubborn mediocre manager.
Phillip Warrington
168 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:03:33
168 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:03:33
The blame should be fairly and honestly at the players, they bottled it except for the City game they showed no desire or pride.
We gifted them 3 goals -- nothing to do with tactics, just plain mistakes, Ndiaye and Dewsbury-Hall have wasted so many chances and missed so many not-under-pressure passes in the last 5 matches, in any other team fighting at the top, they would have been dropped.
Sure, people can blame Moyes, but no tactics can stop players bottling it when their team rarely needs them. I blame the players 70% and Moyes 30%. We had a chance to play in Europe, the players knew it but showed no desire to go the extra mile to achieve it.
We gifted them 3 goals -- nothing to do with tactics, just plain mistakes, Ndiaye and Dewsbury-Hall have wasted so many chances and missed so many not-under-pressure passes in the last 5 matches, in any other team fighting at the top, they would have been dropped.
Sure, people can blame Moyes, but no tactics can stop players bottling it when their team rarely needs them. I blame the players 70% and Moyes 30%. We had a chance to play in Europe, the players knew it but showed no desire to go the extra mile to achieve it.
Gavin Johnson
169 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:12:35
169 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:12:35
Kevin #165
You mention Moyes's contract...The way this season has ended is anyone else of the opinion that he won't be offered a new one now?
You mention Moyes's contract...The way this season has ended is anyone else of the opinion that he won't be offered a new one now?
Nick Page
170 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:18:27
170 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:18:27
Guarantee if he stays we’ll spend all summer chasing shadows in the transfer market and we’ll be 4/5 players short AGAIN come August. Moyes is a decent stability manager. But he’s not winning anything and he’s a stickler. Everton will finish 14th with 49 points. It’s not progress….its going sideways and it’s what Moyes is (despite all the bullshit spouted in the media). We’ve been eclipsed by much smaller, much braver and more ambitious clubs who do a lot of quant work and use the transfer market to their benefit. They aren’t scared to sell players as they know the market and move quickly to fill gaps. Everton behave like a big club with a small club budget. It’s pathetic. Get rid of Moyes next week. And get an Iraola, a Glasner type and start moving forward. Show some real ambition for once instead of just existing because it’s fucking boring.
Billy Shears
171 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:22:21
171 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:22:21
We've simply become the Fulham of the North!...& that Kinnear bloke can fuck right off too!!
The People's Club?. BOLLOCKS.
The People's Club?. BOLLOCKS.
Sean Kelly
172 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:23:34
172 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:23:34
Words escape after today but maybe someone here can answer this for me. How come when so called lesser clubs like Bournemouth, Palace and Brighton can get progressive managers while we repeatedly dig up dinosaurs or dinosaur shit.
Kevin Molloy
173 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:23:47
173 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:23:47
Gavin
if he's not offered one then he's a lame duck manager, and that will impact performance. TFG are in the situation of needing to back him or sack him. Just letting him see out his final year would be the worst of both worlds. Letting him spend reduced money, and setting him up to fail. If we do that, it will show that all the Friedkins are bothered about is the money they would save in not paying up his contract.
the last month has certainly made it more difficult for them to extend his contract. You can imagine what the reaction is going to be if hes' given another couple of years. It's not irrecoverable, but he's going to need a proper explanation of what the fuck has happened in the last month, beyond 'we're not quite ready'.;
if he's not offered one then he's a lame duck manager, and that will impact performance. TFG are in the situation of needing to back him or sack him. Just letting him see out his final year would be the worst of both worlds. Letting him spend reduced money, and setting him up to fail. If we do that, it will show that all the Friedkins are bothered about is the money they would save in not paying up his contract.
the last month has certainly made it more difficult for them to extend his contract. You can imagine what the reaction is going to be if hes' given another couple of years. It's not irrecoverable, but he's going to need a proper explanation of what the fuck has happened in the last month, beyond 'we're not quite ready'.;
Sean Kelly
174 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:28:08
174 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:28:08
Remember he spent all last summer getting Dibling in and then publicly slags him off. For that alone he should be sacked. Add in Rohl, George and Alcaraz and you can fuck off Moyes
Ian Horan
175 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:51:18
175 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:51:18
I thought Moyes contract was 18 months with a 1 year option
Ron Marr
176 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:55:34
176 Posted 17/05/2026 at 23:55:34
Moyes has not earned a contract extension. Time to cut him loose. There are 3 better managers who may still be available Iraola, Glasner, Maresca.
Jimmy Carr
177 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:20:44
177 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:20:44
Hard to defend Moyes after our dismal recent performances. If the right manager becomes available, we need to get in there.
Unfortunately I'm not sure TFG know what the right manager for Everton looks like. Depressing all round.
Unfortunately I'm not sure TFG know what the right manager for Everton looks like. Depressing all round.
Ian Pilkington
178 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:23:36
178 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:23:36
I am 100% certain that it was reported that he was offered 18 months with an optional 12 months.
If the Friedkins have any credibility as progressive owners they cannot possibly allow him to continue beyond next Sunday.
It has been truly dismal season, the only saving grace being the superb stadium, but after renewing our season tickets I am looking forward to next season with dread if Moyes is still there.
If the Friedkins have any credibility as progressive owners they cannot possibly allow him to continue beyond next Sunday.
It has been truly dismal season, the only saving grace being the superb stadium, but after renewing our season tickets I am looking forward to next season with dread if Moyes is still there.
Bill Hawker
179 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:28:54
179 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:28:54
Moyes is the one to take us forward? No, not having that. He's the one to keep you out of the relegation zone. He's done that, very well I might add.
But to take us forward. Nope.
But to take us forward. Nope.
Chris Davies
180 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:45:25
180 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:45:25
It’s the same eleven + KDH and minus Jarad that Dyche admitted he could go no further with when they were flirting with relegation.
My frustrations are infuriating too, but if you have shit players (relatively), you have a shit end to a season.
My frustrations are infuriating too, but if you have shit players (relatively), you have a shit end to a season.
Si Cooper
181 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:48:31
181 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:48:31
Phillip (168), but it’s not all about how the team is set up though is it?
It’s also about making best use of your squad of players, and that is where the biggest question mark is when it comes to Moyes.
Le Bris gave big credit to his substitutes who figured prominently in their last 2 goals. I haven’t checked, so going on memory, Le Bris made bulk substitutions at the 60th minute and 75th minute marks while Moyes brought on 2 at about 70 minutes and then 2 sometime after the 80th minute, and one of them was Seamus which was for sentimental reasons.
People can argue about how many games players should be able to deal with but the reality is that players who have played the vast majority of the minutes in the vast majority of games will most likely be at their mental fatigue limits at the tail end of any season. Weary legs or weary minds can lead to stupid mistakes or just not being able to really change gears to match an opposition that has got their second wind.
The other day someone posted that our numbers used wasn’t significantly different to many other clubs but it’s not the numbers that matter necessarily, it is how much time they get on the pitch on average which could make a lot of a difference,
It’s also about making best use of your squad of players, and that is where the biggest question mark is when it comes to Moyes.
Le Bris gave big credit to his substitutes who figured prominently in their last 2 goals. I haven’t checked, so going on memory, Le Bris made bulk substitutions at the 60th minute and 75th minute marks while Moyes brought on 2 at about 70 minutes and then 2 sometime after the 80th minute, and one of them was Seamus which was for sentimental reasons.
People can argue about how many games players should be able to deal with but the reality is that players who have played the vast majority of the minutes in the vast majority of games will most likely be at their mental fatigue limits at the tail end of any season. Weary legs or weary minds can lead to stupid mistakes or just not being able to really change gears to match an opposition that has got their second wind.
The other day someone posted that our numbers used wasn’t significantly different to many other clubs but it’s not the numbers that matter necessarily, it is how much time they get on the pitch on average which could make a lot of a difference,
Chris Davies
182 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:52:43
182 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:52:43
It’s the same eleven + KDH and minus Jarad that Dyche admitted he could go no further with when they were flirting with relegation.
My frustrations are infuriating too, but if you have shit players (relatively), you have a shit end to a season.
Sean@172,
I think we can afford the tried and tested ones?
Araola wouldn’t dismiss his squad like anchelotti did.. but at least he brought us James and 8th 🥳
My frustrations are infuriating too, but if you have shit players (relatively), you have a shit end to a season.
Sean@172,
I think we can afford the tried and tested ones?
Araola wouldn’t dismiss his squad like anchelotti did.. but at least he brought us James and 8th 🥳
Gavin Johnson
183 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:58:27
183 Posted 17/05/2026 at 00:58:27
I'm not happy how the season's ended but could give Moyes a pass if we finished 11th (like Ancelotti) which is still within the 7th to 11th finish many of us expected given where we have been for years, but 12th or 13th is just not acceptable...I still think we'll likely get a lower Euro qualification next season if TFG back him properly, but I just think TFG should be bold and think bigger and bring in someone else now. Keeping him says that they don't mid finishing in the bottom half, as long as its not a relegation fight.
I find it hard to believe that Glasner or Araola would finish lower than lower top half - mid table with financial backing so we have nothing to lose saying goodbye to Moyes.
Neutrals might say look at West Ham and say be careful for what you wish for, but a lot of West Ham supporters blame Moyes for the start of the rot for buying duds with the Rice money.
I find it hard to believe that Glasner or Araola would finish lower than lower top half - mid table with financial backing so we have nothing to lose saying goodbye to Moyes.
Neutrals might say look at West Ham and say be careful for what you wish for, but a lot of West Ham supporters blame Moyes for the start of the rot for buying duds with the Rice money.
Chris Davies
184 Posted 17/05/2026 at 01:00:09
184 Posted 17/05/2026 at 01:00:09
Si 181,
I hate Moyes’ rigidity, also. But the makems gaffer made that change because we were swarming all over them at that time.
There was no reason to change things, in my opinion.
I hate Moyes’ rigidity, also. But the makems gaffer made that change because we were swarming all over them at that time.
There was no reason to change things, in my opinion.
Chris Davies
185 Posted 18/05/2026 at 01:07:00
185 Posted 18/05/2026 at 01:07:00
Gavin 183,
Was it really 11th??! Haha. Sorry!
Just goes to show what a win at Anfield and James and Richie feeding a deadly (in the 6 yard box), DCL can do to my memory!
Was it really 11th??! Haha. Sorry!
Just goes to show what a win at Anfield and James and Richie feeding a deadly (in the 6 yard box), DCL can do to my memory!
Chris Davies
186 Posted 18/05/2026 at 01:13:02
186 Posted 18/05/2026 at 01:13:02
Spurs bought duds with harry Kane cash.
We don’t have a single player that would kill our squad, if sold. Jarad and Jack being a great example.
We don’t have a single player that would kill our squad, if sold. Jarad and Jack being a great example.
Gavin Johnson
187 Posted 18/05/2026 at 01:17:21
187 Posted 18/05/2026 at 01:17:21
Chris #185
Yes, a lowly 11th is our last highest finish. it was a disappointing end under Carlo after being in the top 6 for much of that season. That season has mirrored Moyes's somewhat in how there was an end of the season capitulation.
Yes, a lowly 11th is our last highest finish. it was a disappointing end under Carlo after being in the top 6 for much of that season. That season has mirrored Moyes's somewhat in how there was an end of the season capitulation.
Annika Herbert
188 Posted 18/05/2026 at 01:25:59
188 Posted 18/05/2026 at 01:25:59
Phillip @ 168, the manager knew Europe was a distinct possibility too, but he still refused to rotate the squad. A squad he helped build during the summer.
Maybe, if he had rotated like most modern manager’s do, most of our players wouldn’t play like they are dead on their feet. So, got me, the dinosaur is 70% to blame, at least and the players 30%.
Manage like a dinosaur and you will always get stale results. Something Moyes excels in
Maybe, if he had rotated like most modern manager’s do, most of our players wouldn’t play like they are dead on their feet. So, got me, the dinosaur is 70% to blame, at least and the players 30%.
Manage like a dinosaur and you will always get stale results. Something Moyes excels in
Gavin Johnson
189 Posted 18/05/2026 at 01:42:33
189 Posted 18/05/2026 at 01:42:33
Whoever the manager is TFG need to back them next season now the improved income streams are flooding in from the stadium. We spent over a £100m last summer but also lost a lot of out of contract players. For some perspective, Sunderland spent more than £200m, so we need to go bigger this summer.
Don Alexander
190 Posted 18/05/2026 at 02:25:29
190 Posted 18/05/2026 at 02:25:29
I first said the following when Bobby Brown Shoes was the manager;
Courtesy of Kenwright for decades almost all of entire squad at the times (plural - and even during Moyes mk. 1), very largely modest players who'd believed they'd realised their individual and collective limits without winning any sort of trophy (and from their point of view were bob-on), all seemingly decided not to grasp European qualification by falling way off the pace at the season's end, when with European qualification it may have have enabled OUR club to sign better players, to the cost of erstwhile first-teamers.
That was then, irrefutably.
Does Freidkin pay any attention to the very recent history of OUR club?
With Moyes mk 2 as his chosen one it appears not.
Am I looking forward to next season? No, I'm not, unless Friedkin displays a pair more or less immediately.
Courtesy of Kenwright for decades almost all of entire squad at the times (plural - and even during Moyes mk. 1), very largely modest players who'd believed they'd realised their individual and collective limits without winning any sort of trophy (and from their point of view were bob-on), all seemingly decided not to grasp European qualification by falling way off the pace at the season's end, when with European qualification it may have have enabled OUR club to sign better players, to the cost of erstwhile first-teamers.
That was then, irrefutably.
Does Freidkin pay any attention to the very recent history of OUR club?
With Moyes mk 2 as his chosen one it appears not.
Am I looking forward to next season? No, I'm not, unless Friedkin displays a pair more or less immediately.
Si Cooper
191 Posted 18/05/2026 at 02:39:53
191 Posted 18/05/2026 at 02:39:53
Chris (184), I didn’t think we were ‘swarming all over them’ at any stage today. We had periodic break-outs and occasionally extended periods of possession without really threatening overly much.
Le Bris clearly had a plan worked out at half time and nothing that happened in the second half made it necessary for him to deviate from it.
David Moyes did exactly what he does 99% of the time, which is stick to his long-term pattern.
Le Bris clearly had a plan worked out at half time and nothing that happened in the second half made it necessary for him to deviate from it.
David Moyes did exactly what he does 99% of the time, which is stick to his long-term pattern.
Paul Griffiths
192 Posted 18/05/2026 at 02:58:26
192 Posted 18/05/2026 at 02:58:26
Saint Daniel the Absent and Saint Angus the Silent had better put things right over the summer with their crack recruitment team. What message does it send that Saint Daniel has not been to a single game this season, could not pinpoint Liverpool on a map, was happily watching golf in Scotland when we were at home, and spends far more of his time and money on Roma and trying to buy an MLB or NFL 'franchise' - yuck, grimace.
The saddest things yesterday were watching Seamus’s awful howler for the goal and the thin patches of people still in the stadium for his send-off. But that was the fault of Moyes and some players. The final conclusion about this awful mediocre season from the fans: loud loud booing and legging it to the exits.
In other words: you fucking shower don’t deserve out applause.
I can’t find the right words, but Moyes’s face and expressions are just perfect for sad and bad times.
Joe (20): if Moyes ran a restaurant it would be a Little Chef. Oh crap is that ‘Moyes bashing’?
Martin Berry (5): The Moyes bashers get their moans in early ! And if you were in charge, who exactly would you play instead ?
No ‘Moyes bashers’ lad – pathetic response – just dedicated Evertonians with a right to express concerns with the manager.
Here you go lad: Pickford, Rohl, Tarkowski, O’Brien, Mykolenko, Iroegbunam, Garner, Ndiaye, George, KDH, Beto.
Philip (168): The blame should be fairly and honestly at the players … Sure, people can blame Moyes, but no tactics can stop players bottling it’
Nice try, but also old, jaded, tired, and rusted. Who picks the team? Who has picked players out of position for months? Who picks players who a blind mole could see need to be dropped week-in-and-week-out? Who sets up the team? Who is supposed to respond to the way a game unfolds by changing things and making the right subs?
Who? The players? No! Moyes.
Do you mind if I tweak one of your sentences a little?
‘We had a chance to play in Europe, the players knew it but showed no desire to go the extra mile to achieve it’.
‘We had a chance to play in Europe, Moyes knew it but showed no desire to go the extra mile to achieve it’.
Can I also add that Ndiaye has been alternatively shite or poor for ages. Zero end product for the most part. Fluffing around dribbling and losing it or giving it away. I think that he will be gone over the summer – his preference – his heart is not in it at the moment. Needs some uppers.
We've really improved, haven't we!
O’Brien was utter shite yesterday and for the 7678th time, he is not a fecking right-back Moyes.
I have a longing to see someone who looks cool in black with boss keks hovering over the right shoes with great hair as our gaffer.
The saddest things yesterday were watching Seamus’s awful howler for the goal and the thin patches of people still in the stadium for his send-off. But that was the fault of Moyes and some players. The final conclusion about this awful mediocre season from the fans: loud loud booing and legging it to the exits.
In other words: you fucking shower don’t deserve out applause.
I can’t find the right words, but Moyes’s face and expressions are just perfect for sad and bad times.
Joe (20): if Moyes ran a restaurant it would be a Little Chef. Oh crap is that ‘Moyes bashing’?
Martin Berry (5): The Moyes bashers get their moans in early ! And if you were in charge, who exactly would you play instead ?
No ‘Moyes bashers’ lad – pathetic response – just dedicated Evertonians with a right to express concerns with the manager.
Here you go lad: Pickford, Rohl, Tarkowski, O’Brien, Mykolenko, Iroegbunam, Garner, Ndiaye, George, KDH, Beto.
Philip (168): The blame should be fairly and honestly at the players … Sure, people can blame Moyes, but no tactics can stop players bottling it’
Nice try, but also old, jaded, tired, and rusted. Who picks the team? Who has picked players out of position for months? Who picks players who a blind mole could see need to be dropped week-in-and-week-out? Who sets up the team? Who is supposed to respond to the way a game unfolds by changing things and making the right subs?
Who? The players? No! Moyes.
Do you mind if I tweak one of your sentences a little?
‘We had a chance to play in Europe, the players knew it but showed no desire to go the extra mile to achieve it’.
‘We had a chance to play in Europe, Moyes knew it but showed no desire to go the extra mile to achieve it’.
Can I also add that Ndiaye has been alternatively shite or poor for ages. Zero end product for the most part. Fluffing around dribbling and losing it or giving it away. I think that he will be gone over the summer – his preference – his heart is not in it at the moment. Needs some uppers.
We've really improved, haven't we!
O’Brien was utter shite yesterday and for the 7678th time, he is not a fecking right-back Moyes.
I have a longing to see someone who looks cool in black with boss keks hovering over the right shoes with great hair as our gaffer.
Annika Herbert
193 Posted 18/05/2026 at 03:28:18
193 Posted 18/05/2026 at 03:28:18
Phillip @ 168, the manager knew Europe was a distinct possibility too, but he still refused to rotate the squad. A squad he helped build during the summer.
Maybe, if he had rotated like most modern manager’s do, most of our players wouldn’t play like they are dead on their feet. So, got me, the dinosaur is 70% to blame, at least and the players 30%.
Manage like a dinosaur and you will always get stale results. Something Moyes excels in
Maybe, if he had rotated like most modern manager’s do, most of our players wouldn’t play like they are dead on their feet. So, got me, the dinosaur is 70% to blame, at least and the players 30%.
Manage like a dinosaur and you will always get stale results. Something Moyes excels in
Steve Brown
194 Posted 18/05/2026 at 06:09:09
194 Posted 18/05/2026 at 06:09:09
How is everyone feeling today?
Happily dissatisfied?
Happily dissatisfied?
Bobby Mallon
195 Posted 18/05/2026 at 06:46:23
195 Posted 18/05/2026 at 06:46:23
The fans who legged it as you say PAUL GRIFFITHS @192 are fucking disgraceful. I don't care about the result yesterday was about seamus leaving and those fans should have stayed for him. But no the entitled fuckers ran, crying about a poor performance that we knew was always on the cards. SEAMUS deserved better
Paul Griffiths
196 Posted 18/05/2026 at 06:57:59
196 Posted 18/05/2026 at 06:57:59
Agree completely Bobby. We can always say of course that each person has a choice and I respect that, but it was 60,000 grand's final goodbye at home and I wish more people could have put that above yet another dismal home performance. That said, I have sympathy for not wanting to applaud that shower.
Tony Abrahams
198 Posted 18/05/2026 at 07:54:01
198 Posted 18/05/2026 at 07:54:01
If you stayed Bobby, well that was your choice, just like it was the choice of the people who never stayed to leave.
I said to the man I sit next to that I could easily leave now, and this was at half time, and the only reason I never is because I had the kids with me, but if the people leaving, sends a message to The Silent One’s, I think that is a lot more important than staying to say goodbye to Seamus Coleman, although I’m glad I lasted long enough to clap him onto the pitch for one last time yesterday.
Others will argue that he shouldn’t have been brought on but, that’s subjective, although I personally can’t believe that we have actually played a central defender at right back all season.
I said to the man I sit next to that I could easily leave now, and this was at half time, and the only reason I never is because I had the kids with me, but if the people leaving, sends a message to The Silent One’s, I think that is a lot more important than staying to say goodbye to Seamus Coleman, although I’m glad I lasted long enough to clap him onto the pitch for one last time yesterday.
Others will argue that he shouldn’t have been brought on but, that’s subjective, although I personally can’t believe that we have actually played a central defender at right back all season.
Bob Parrington
199 Posted 18/05/2026 at 08:12:51
199 Posted 18/05/2026 at 08:12:51
Talk about the wheels falling off. This was dreadful way to lose our final home game of the season. Players and managers should apologise to the supporters, specially those attending in person but to all Everton fans wordwide
John Collins
200 Posted 18/05/2026 at 08:28:22
200 Posted 18/05/2026 at 08:28:22
Moyes + £111 million spent =49 points
Dyche + £? Million Spent =48 points
Dyche + £? Million Spent =48 points
Andrew Ellams
201 Posted 18/05/2026 at 08:33:41
201 Posted 18/05/2026 at 08:33:41
Yesterday's horrible performance means 14th is a genuine possibility for us now and actually quite probable.
I don't see us getting anything at Spurs, Fulham are more than capable of getting a point at home to Newcastle and West Ham looked shot yesterday so there's every chance Leeds will beat them.
I don't see us getting anything at Spurs, Fulham are more than capable of getting a point at home to Newcastle and West Ham looked shot yesterday so there's every chance Leeds will beat them.
Derek Thomas
202 Posted 18/05/2026 at 08:47:49
202 Posted 18/05/2026 at 08:47:49
If Moyes rings the changes for the changes for Spurs, I'll show my arse in what used to be Lewis's window.
Not a time to experiment we owe it to W.Ham to put our 'strongest' 11 out blah blah.
Not a time to experiment we owe it to W.Ham to put our 'strongest' 11 out blah blah.
Andrew Merrick
203 Posted 18/05/2026 at 11:17:42
203 Posted 18/05/2026 at 11:17:42
The official site has a picture of the manager standing in front of his bench...
The expressions on the players faces say it for me.
The expressions on the players faces say it for me.
Ian Wilkins
205 Posted 18/05/2026 at 11:23:09
205 Posted 18/05/2026 at 11:23:09
The ‘happily dissatisfied' comment from Angus Kinnear should frighten the pants off everybody. He sees progress (is happy) but suggests he wants more (dissatisfied).
Perhaps we can put his quote on a wall at the Hill Dickinson Stadium. It sums him and his Everton culture up: no substance, all fresh air speak. Happy to be second-rate.
What a load of crap, I sense he is very much part of the problem. Get ruthless, TFG -- move this charlatan who is stealing a living and David Moyes on. Appoint some winners.
Perhaps we can put his quote on a wall at the Hill Dickinson Stadium. It sums him and his Everton culture up: no substance, all fresh air speak. Happy to be second-rate.
What a load of crap, I sense he is very much part of the problem. Get ruthless, TFG -- move this charlatan who is stealing a living and David Moyes on. Appoint some winners.
Andrew Merrick
206 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:49:13
206 Posted 18/05/2026 at 12:49:13
Thanks for adding the picture, Michael.
Michael Kenrick
207 Posted 18/05/2026 at 13:01:48
207 Posted 18/05/2026 at 13:01:48
It was a good spot, Andrew.
The sheer frustration and anger that players like Alcaraz, George and Dibling must really feel towards Moyes and his gross mismanagement of their professional careers must be off the charts.
The sheer frustration and anger that players like Alcaraz, George and Dibling must really feel towards Moyes and his gross mismanagement of their professional careers must be off the charts.
Kevin Naylor
208 Posted 18/05/2026 at 13:08:54
208 Posted 18/05/2026 at 13:08:54
The face on Alcaraz in the picture says a thousand words.
Raymond Fox
209 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:25:37
209 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:25:37
I understand the criticism and anger towards Moyes after that result and the past and agree that a new manager is the way forward.
What I will say though is the players are getting too much of a free pass, after all they are getting paid money the we can only dream about. Bad/poor results are not just down to the manager the players are on the pitch and it is up to them to get a result once picked.
Skill wise many of them leave a lot to be desired.
What I will say though is the players are getting too much of a free pass, after all they are getting paid money the we can only dream about. Bad/poor results are not just down to the manager the players are on the pitch and it is up to them to get a result once picked.
Skill wise many of them leave a lot to be desired.
Kevin Naylor
210 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:28:23
210 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:28:23
Simple solution Ray, if they aren't performing don't keep picking them which is one of Moye's cardinal sins.
Darren Hind
211 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:43:23
211 Posted 18/05/2026 at 15:43:23
It would appear Moyes is the reason we were err "challenging for CL place". But its the players fault that we failed so miserably. Apparently they are no longer good enough
John Collins
212 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:00:48
212 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:00:48
They were 100% definitely good to challenge CL enough before the derby Darren.
We were told numerous times they must be, as his fans on here posted "Moysey has got us challenging for CL, what are you moaning about."
We were told numerous times they must be, as his fans on here posted "Moysey has got us challenging for CL, what are you moaning about."
Frank Fearns
213 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:46:04
213 Posted 18/05/2026 at 16:46:04
I’ve been a blue for donkeys years and seen the ups and downs of my team. Recent times have shown another lull albeit in a matter of a couple of weeks when Europe was talked about only to be crushed by a few pathetic performances.
I read posters talking about tired players( bollocks) and the incompetence of Moyes. The ridiculous substitutions or not as the case may be. The demand to bring young progressive managers etc. The list is endless.
My view is that Everton’s woes are far more than what happens on the ground. Those of us who have been managers at floor level know that unless you have a structure above you are not fully supported and the piggy in the middle syndrome exists!
I’ve no idea what the structure of Everton is but looking in there doesn’t seem to be one? Clearly the objective is to have the best team in the land and to bring back those glory days.
Until Everton have an upper management that have progressive plans eg development of the youth programme etc( how many have come into the first team squad?) rather than lurch from one thing to the next, then we are always going to wallow in buying players from abroad and most of them have been rubbish.
We will not progress until there is direction from a competent upper management structure. Is there one?
I read posters talking about tired players( bollocks) and the incompetence of Moyes. The ridiculous substitutions or not as the case may be. The demand to bring young progressive managers etc. The list is endless.
My view is that Everton’s woes are far more than what happens on the ground. Those of us who have been managers at floor level know that unless you have a structure above you are not fully supported and the piggy in the middle syndrome exists!
I’ve no idea what the structure of Everton is but looking in there doesn’t seem to be one? Clearly the objective is to have the best team in the land and to bring back those glory days.
Until Everton have an upper management that have progressive plans eg development of the youth programme etc( how many have come into the first team squad?) rather than lurch from one thing to the next, then we are always going to wallow in buying players from abroad and most of them have been rubbish.
We will not progress until there is direction from a competent upper management structure. Is there one?
John Collins
214 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:12:45
214 Posted 18/05/2026 at 17:12:45
We haven't needed guidance Frank we had a chairman who had numerous "other clubs directors, when their clubs were in trouble, phoning me asking How would Everton deal with this Bill"
Peter Mitchell
215 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:50:28
215 Posted 18/05/2026 at 21:50:28
Interesting views on here slagging off fans who didn't stay to clap Coleman. I left when Sunderland's 3rd went in, in added time which was down to Coleman.
I clapped him onto the field and his video message, but he is not a legend and has not been a viable playing choice for a number of years now, so why would I stay to the (very bitter) end?
Also, I have spent thousands of pounds this season to come up from London with my family to support the team. Seen 6 matches, 5 defeats and 1 win. 21 goals, 14 conceded, 7 for.
They will be bloody lucky if I go back anytime soon based on that -- absolutely my right to leave early when they let the supporters down like yesterday, which was a completely unacceptable and spineless performance.
I clapped him onto the field and his video message, but he is not a legend and has not been a viable playing choice for a number of years now, so why would I stay to the (very bitter) end?
Also, I have spent thousands of pounds this season to come up from London with my family to support the team. Seen 6 matches, 5 defeats and 1 win. 21 goals, 14 conceded, 7 for.
They will be bloody lucky if I go back anytime soon based on that -- absolutely my right to leave early when they let the supporters down like yesterday, which was a completely unacceptable and spineless performance.
Oliver Molloy
216 Posted 18/05/2026 at 23:00:18
216 Posted 18/05/2026 at 23:00:18
Peter, I disagree.
Sunderland's third goal was not all down to Coleman -- watch it again: Coleman was trying to cover Tarkowski's man who was knackered and just gave up...
Sunderland's third goal was not all down to Coleman -- watch it again: Coleman was trying to cover Tarkowski's man who was knackered and just gave up...
Peter Mitchell
217 Posted 18/05/2026 at 23:12:46
217 Posted 18/05/2026 at 23:12:46
Fine, Oliver -- that's your opinion. I was "lucky" enough to be at the end of the ground where all 4 goals were scored and had a great view of it. Coleman was just as much at fault for that last goal as anyone else in our dogshit defence.
I am glad he has gone so we can't pretend to have right-back cover, when he hasn't been good enough for years. Maybe we can spend the saved wages on a proper right-back for next season, now.
I am glad he has gone so we can't pretend to have right-back cover, when he hasn't been good enough for years. Maybe we can spend the saved wages on a proper right-back for next season, now.
Si Cooper
218 Posted 19/05/2026 at 05:41:05
218 Posted 19/05/2026 at 05:41:05
“ I left when Sunderland's 3rd went in, in added time which was down to Coleman.”
I’d say Seamus was caught between a rock and a hard place when Michael Keane passed on the responsibility for dealing with that ball into the danger area.
If he just swings a leg at it the angle means it should be his weaker left and that increases the chance of a slice potentially into the goal.
To take a touch so he could then play it away in a controlled manner means it would need to be spot on or else he’s risking the attacker he’s moved across to cover nipping in and converting. A player who’s been playing regularly may be that cock-sure but I’d be surprised if even the pro’s couldn’t be a little ‘ring rusty’.
So he probably ‘freezes’ a bit and does nothing constructive at all. Only he knows whether it was a conscious decision and he simply didn’t realise there was another Sunderland player calmly waiting to pounce.
I’ll give him some slack for being not really up-to-speed, Michael Keane bottled trying to stop it well in front of the front post, and we lost by 2 goals not 1 so I don’t see that goal as a real game-changer anyway.
I’d say Seamus was caught between a rock and a hard place when Michael Keane passed on the responsibility for dealing with that ball into the danger area.
If he just swings a leg at it the angle means it should be his weaker left and that increases the chance of a slice potentially into the goal.
To take a touch so he could then play it away in a controlled manner means it would need to be spot on or else he’s risking the attacker he’s moved across to cover nipping in and converting. A player who’s been playing regularly may be that cock-sure but I’d be surprised if even the pro’s couldn’t be a little ‘ring rusty’.
So he probably ‘freezes’ a bit and does nothing constructive at all. Only he knows whether it was a conscious decision and he simply didn’t realise there was another Sunderland player calmly waiting to pounce.
I’ll give him some slack for being not really up-to-speed, Michael Keane bottled trying to stop it well in front of the front post, and we lost by 2 goals not 1 so I don’t see that goal as a real game-changer anyway.
Fred Charters
219 Posted 19/05/2026 at 10:10:01
219 Posted 19/05/2026 at 10:10:01
Give Iraola a blank cheque now to cover his chosen salary and chosen players.
Jack Convery
220 Posted 19/05/2026 at 11:41:40
220 Posted 19/05/2026 at 11:41:40
Tarkorwski was responsible as he was treading through treacle trying to get back. Keane did what Keane does -- sod all. This left Coleman to cover the space where Tarkowski should have been and the far post.
He did what any good full-back does and covers his centre-back. If you watch it again, Seamus is signalling to Tarkowski but it was pointless. Between a rock and a hard place.
Sums up the final years of Seamus's time with the Blues.
He did what any good full-back does and covers his centre-back. If you watch it again, Seamus is signalling to Tarkowski but it was pointless. Between a rock and a hard place.
Sums up the final years of Seamus's time with the Blues.
Kevin Molloy
221 Posted 19/05/2026 at 12:20:10
221 Posted 19/05/2026 at 12:20:10
John's right. the table doesn't lie. With a month to go, we were a couple of points off that spot if we'd have beaten Liverpool. In the end, it was they who got the last-minute winner... Them's the breaks.
It's so weird what's happened since. If I had to guess, I'd say Tarkowski came back from the break carrying an injury and taking injections. He's hardly made a tackle since that Brentford goal especially, he just ball watches the whole time which is the opposite of what he normally does.
It's so weird what's happened since. If I had to guess, I'd say Tarkowski came back from the break carrying an injury and taking injections. He's hardly made a tackle since that Brentford goal especially, he just ball watches the whole time which is the opposite of what he normally does.
John Collins
222 Posted 19/05/2026 at 12:23:44
222 Posted 19/05/2026 at 12:23:44
Tarkowski is being injected to allow him to play.
The latest in a long, long list of excuses you make up for Moyes, Kevin.
The latest in a long, long list of excuses you make up for Moyes, Kevin.
Kevin Molloy
223 Posted 19/05/2026 at 12:25:50
223 Posted 19/05/2026 at 12:25:50
John no, you were moaning every week when we were in the Euro spots, you just want him gone, rain or shine. But it's undeniable that the last month has been a disaster: 3 points from 18.
Something has gone terribly wrong, but to say 'that's just Moyes', is nonsense. I'm just trying to work out what went wrong, and something like a key player being injured could well be it.
Something has gone terribly wrong, but to say 'that's just Moyes', is nonsense. I'm just trying to work out what went wrong, and something like a key player being injured could well be it.
Tony Hughes
227 Posted 19/05/2026 at 12:27:15
227 Posted 19/05/2026 at 12:27:15
We've gone from having a sniff of finishing 6th to quite likely finishing 6th from bottom in a matter of weeks.
Progress eh?
Progress eh?
John Collins
228 Posted 19/05/2026 at 12:32:49
228 Posted 19/05/2026 at 12:32:49
Kevin @223,
Correct. I was moaning because I knew we would end up with no European football, an absolute certainty.
You carry on working out excuses for him, Kevin.
Correct. I was moaning because I knew we would end up with no European football, an absolute certainty.
You carry on working out excuses for him, Kevin.
Brendan McLaughlin
229 Posted 19/05/2026 at 13:28:11
229 Posted 19/05/2026 at 13:28:11
I don't think Kinnear would have used the phrase "happily disatisfied" at the weekend if he thought a change of manager was seriously being considered.
I'd be very surprised if Moyes isn't in charge at the beginning of the new season.
I'd be very surprised if Moyes isn't in charge at the beginning of the new season.
Soren Moyer
230 Posted 19/05/2026 at 18:37:05
230 Posted 19/05/2026 at 18:37:05
I am sure Villa fans are ruing the decision not to take the opportunity to hire Moyes instead of that useless Spaniard!
I can't believe there are still fans defending that miserable fraud!
I can't believe there are still fans defending that miserable fraud!
Annika Herbert
231 Posted 19/05/2026 at 22:45:06
231 Posted 19/05/2026 at 22:45:06
Kevin @ 223, our final position this season is considered an improvement by Moyes and supporters like yourself. It's a bog-standard Moyes effort.
Nothing changes with the man. Same boring, defensive tactics; same line-up picked despite poor performances; refusal to rotate etc, etc.
If he is still in charge next season, expect more of the same. Progressive and front-foot football isn't in the Moyes vocabulary.
Make substitutions before the 70th minute? No chance. Change tactics to counter opponents overrunning us? No chance.
Some fans on ToffeeWeb often mention West Ham by saying, "I bet they wish they had kept Moyes now." Yet most Hammers fans blame Moyes for the start of their struggles.
Next season will be a carbon copy of this season if we retain the dinosaur.
Nothing changes with the man. Same boring, defensive tactics; same line-up picked despite poor performances; refusal to rotate etc, etc.
If he is still in charge next season, expect more of the same. Progressive and front-foot football isn't in the Moyes vocabulary.
Make substitutions before the 70th minute? No chance. Change tactics to counter opponents overrunning us? No chance.
Some fans on ToffeeWeb often mention West Ham by saying, "I bet they wish they had kept Moyes now." Yet most Hammers fans blame Moyes for the start of their struggles.
Next season will be a carbon copy of this season if we retain the dinosaur.
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