Season 2011-12
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Fans' Support Essential
54 Comments: I think this coming season the support of the fans is crucial.
Look, I know we usually do get right behind the lads, but I get the feeling with no new signings there seems an apathy about our fans at the moment.
Last season, we all believed that it could be a special season... but, after the poor results of the early weeks, understandably the optimism waned. This led to the crowd being very quiet for large parts of games. Bit like a kid being told his trip to Alton Towers has been cancelled.
Because of the lack of signings, I think that if we don't start well, some fans will then use this as an excuse to slag off the team. I just hope that the fans get behind the team for the full 90 minutes, because I think this year their support is crucial to us doing well.
Brian Harrison, Posted 08/08/2011 at 15:35:54
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Tell you what: Why not send that to BK, ask him why WE should even turn up, never mind get behind the team?
Then post it to Moyes and ask him to start playing some watchable football. I'm not asking for Barcelona-esq passing and movement. Just something I can watch without feeling embarrassed, disappointed and angry at.
Dave Lynch, you don't have to turn up.
Brain harris
I'll support my team, yes
But
I wont sit silent whilst Kenwright runs the club into the championship.
I wont sit silent whilst our maanger plays players out of posisition and sets them up to defend at home against teams like WBA, Newcastle and Bolton.
I wont accept the mediocrity and lack of ambition that hangs around teh club.
I wont accept the attitude of some fans who think no one except Moyes can manage the squad better.
I'll support my team, yes
But
I wont sit silent whilst Kenwright runs the club into the championship.
I wont sit silent whilst our maanger plays players out of posisition and sets them up to defend at home against teams like WBA, Newcastle and Bolton.
I wont accept the mediocrity and lack of ambition that hangs around teh club.
I wont accept the attitude of some fans who think no one except Moyes can manage the squad better.
"Because of the lack of signings, I think that if we don't start well, some fans will then use this as an excuse to slag off the team. I just hope that the fans get behind the team for the full 90 minutes, because I think this year their support is crucial to us doing well."
Actually Brain Harris when considering the above I will be fucking stark raving mad if we get off to another bad start.
There are no players to settle in, no new system or tactics needed due to the lack of new players. So there are NO EXCUSES this season.
If we get off to another poor start I will be calling for Moyes head hes had 10 yrs to fucking get it right.
SO drop all this lets not criticise if we get off to another bad start fucking bullshit.
A bad start AGAIN means Moyes should get both fucking barrells
Actually Brain Harris when considering the above I will be fucking stark raving mad if we get off to another bad start.
There are no players to settle in, no new system or tactics needed due to the lack of new players. So there are NO EXCUSES this season.
If we get off to another poor start I will be calling for Moyes head hes had 10 yrs to fucking get it right.
SO drop all this lets not criticise if we get off to another bad start fucking bullshit.
A bad start AGAIN means Moyes should get both fucking barrells
I was waiting for a 'positive' post of this ilk, maybe we can be the mythical 12th man or even act as the catalyst to ignite the season - do me a favour leave me to make my own judgement Brian. I will support the team and even David Moyes but as for the shower of shite on the board they have absolutely none of my support.
Derek, if everyone took the advice you've just given Dave Lynch maybe Kenwright would get the message. Suport the team hate the board.How?
Support the team and then a sit in afterwards.
I think the apathy is mainly in the Board-room, hopefully not in the dressing-room, & in the stands it's probably outweighed by anxiety!
Daniel, thats some spin you've placed there. No new players, no new system, so no excuses? Well we've had pretty much nothing new for three seasons now, so by that logic we should win the league this time out.
If we'd spent 50 milion this summer and were 11th in January i'd be pissed. As it is at the moment iI'd take another 7th anyday. Not exactly a thrilling prospect but, if things aren't gong well, my focus will be on Kenwright, not the staff.
If we'd spent 50 milion this summer and were 11th in January i'd be pissed. As it is at the moment iI'd take another 7th anyday. Not exactly a thrilling prospect but, if things aren't gong well, my focus will be on Kenwright, not the staff.
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Brian
It's about what happens on the pitch, the team isn't the greatest but they need to at least have a go.
My gripe is they always seem to be playing under restraint - very difficult to get enthused.
It's about what happens on the pitch, the team isn't the greatest but they need to at least have a go.
My gripe is they always seem to be playing under restraint - very difficult to get enthused.
Doddy no evertonian is willing the team to do badly.
Really scurrilous comment - you should apologise.
Really scurrilous comment - you should apologise.
Brian, when we have Cahill being rolled out with his 'No expectations' this season, can you blame fans for being a tad cheesed.
By the way, before anyone comes out saying that we would be on his case if he came out saying wer'e going to win X,Y,Z, the point I'm making is why say fuck-all?
Derek.
For your info, I am not turning up! Not until I see some commitment from this board toward my support. 50 years of it to be exact.
For your info, I am not turning up! Not until I see some commitment from this board toward my support. 50 years of it to be exact.
Richard, I would suggest that there is not a single contributor to this site who would not be ecstatic at a resounding victory at the weekend. If we were to play good football with some imagination and get off to a decent start, believe me, I will happily eat all the humble pie in the world. You are venturing down the "real supporter" road and you are unfair and inaccurate.
Richard Dodd, please be careful what you write about the people who use this website. There is no excuse for coming out with that kind of garbage.
We await your apology.
We await your apology.
I don't know what Doddy wrote but it is unusual for him to berate fellow Evertonians. He may be on another planet to most others on here but I have never seen him post anything abusive.
Maybe the pressure from the fans is getting through to the board more than we think.
Also Does anyone think that the paint job was due to them being able to spend a few bob from Friday's gate money?
Listening to SHOUTsport on the way home, and apparently we are the only team in the four divisions not to have made a single signing.
If that doesn't bring home the truth of our situation, nothing will.
If that doesn't bring home the truth of our situation, nothing will.
Brian, posters don't need excuses to slag off the team. They do it every week, even after a victory sometimes.
We, as fans, need something to cheer so if the overpaid feckers in the middle don't look arsed, why should we?
We, as fans, need something to cheer so if the overpaid feckers in the middle don't look arsed, why should we?
Steve, Mr Dodd sometimes goes off down a sanctimonious path of his own where he questions the support offered by fellow Evertonians contributing to this site. We don't tolerate that.
Just a note for any others so tempted: this site is for all Evertonians; however, abuse is not acceptable.
Just a note for any others so tempted: this site is for all Evertonians; however, abuse is not acceptable.
Michael this is your site and I reserve the right of you and Lyndon to edit it the way you choose.
But the truth is I have long since stopped finding doddy annoying or offensive. I now find him amusing, a diversion amid the misery and worry of discussing our support of Everton.
Now, what was the main post about, again?
But the truth is I have long since stopped finding doddy annoying or offensive. I now find him amusing, a diversion amid the misery and worry of discussing our support of Everton.
Now, what was the main post about, again?
I will continue to wish the team to win, but I will not turn up or buy a single item of merchandise because by doing so it tells the board that their destructive policy is tolerable, when it isn't to me and, I trust, a lot more Evertonians.
I was waiting for us to win the European Cup mid 1980s. I can't let that dream go, nor should I, just because we have been plagued by an ever-worsening succession of truly awful boards. Life is too short, football changes too slowly. We could all die without seeing Everton win another trophy, unless of course, drastic, radical change is brought about. But that won't happen while everyone keeps paying their hard-earned into the club's coffers...
I was waiting for us to win the European Cup mid 1980s. I can't let that dream go, nor should I, just because we have been plagued by an ever-worsening succession of truly awful boards. Life is too short, football changes too slowly. We could all die without seeing Everton win another trophy, unless of course, drastic, radical change is brought about. But that won't happen while everyone keeps paying their hard-earned into the club's coffers...
Dear, oh dear... it could be the season of the long knives if we start off badly, so I'd just like to get off on the right track by saying...
"FUCK OFF LARS!"
Those who know, need no explanation...
"FUCK OFF LARS!"
Those who know, need no explanation...
"...because I think this year their support is crucial to us doing well. "
You mean their support is crucial to us NOT GETTING RELEGATED.
You mean their support is crucial to us NOT GETTING RELEGATED.
It seems I am, once again, persona non grata for daring to suggest that some people on this site would relish Everton getting off to a bad start. I based my assertion on statements made to me personally rather than anything I read on ToffeeWeb although I am constantly dismayed by the negativity of so many contributors. If I gave offence, I apologise wholeheartedly although I cannot see that I have `abused` anyone. That is not my style at all!
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I'll be right behind the team from the off as always, but as Daniel A Johnson said above, another poor start and the fingers should point at 1 man and 1 man only, David Moyes. There has been no international tournament, no long drawn out transfer saga's (I dont think anyone took the Jags to Arsenal that seriously), and no new players to adjust and bed in. Stagnation is not an excuse. Our players should know each others game inside out. Another start like the last few and Moyes should show his integrity by resigning. Hope the scenario doesn't happen though.
In any Walk of life when you do a job it is important that you have enthusiasm and that the mindset of the workforce is right.
I know the players are on huge salaries but they must be really pissed off playing for such an unambitious football club.
BILL KENWRIGHT you have so much to answer for.
As I have stated before and as Jay#24 touched on, the only way to get this board out is to stop the cash.
DO NOT BUY A PROGRAM, DO NOT BUY A GOLDEN GOAL, DO NOT BUY A PIE OR A DRINK JUST TRY IT FOR THE FIRST 2 HOME GAMES
IT WILL HAVE MORE EFFECT THAN ANY BANNER.
I know the players are on huge salaries but they must be really pissed off playing for such an unambitious football club.
BILL KENWRIGHT you have so much to answer for.
As I have stated before and as Jay#24 touched on, the only way to get this board out is to stop the cash.
DO NOT BUY A PROGRAM, DO NOT BUY A GOLDEN GOAL, DO NOT BUY A PIE OR A DRINK JUST TRY IT FOR THE FIRST 2 HOME GAMES
IT WILL HAVE MORE EFFECT THAN ANY BANNER.
Any fans at any game supporting any team anywhere in the country will only get behind their team if the team performs. That's the way it is.
When West Brom scored their 4th goal did we all stand up and start chanting "Oh Everton we love you"? Did we bollox. Most headed for the exit doors in disgust and rightly so. When the final whistle went after the abject performance at home to Newcastle, no-one started "getting behind the team". People stood up and told the team to fuck off, and rightly so. Same goes for the very poor game at home to Reading (the game Kenwright couldn't be arsed attending).
When we hammered Tottenham at home though, the crowd got behind the team and Goodison became a melting pot again.
As fans, we'll sing when we're winning and get pissed off when we lose. No amount of Phil Neville-esque rally cries will change that.
Dan, surely the finger pointing should include the players as well? Why do they get off scott free?
Arrrrr, I had to play in a different position... feck off, you are a professional football, just because you get pushed out wide doesn't excuse the lack of control, the inability to pass to a free man (if any move into space for you), the inibility to keep possession etc.
Those overpaid feckers get off far too lightly on here, unless, of course, they are scousers, then they are fair game (Ossie, Hibbert, Anichebe) or Bily.....
Arrrrr, I had to play in a different position... feck off, you are a professional football, just because you get pushed out wide doesn't excuse the lack of control, the inability to pass to a free man (if any move into space for you), the inibility to keep possession etc.
Those overpaid feckers get off far too lightly on here, unless, of course, they are scousers, then they are fair game (Ossie, Hibbert, Anichebe) or Bily.....
Tony, whilst I agree with what you say about players taking the flack, I think you will agree that what you said isn't the way football works, no matter how much it should. The underperfoming players get somebody new to direct them and that wont change. The last two seasons, we have been on great runs once we have no expectation on us, because we have already stuffed it up August to October. This year, we have no expectations from now, so surely good results from the off?
While it has been mentioned we are the only team not to buy anyone, and forgive me if am wrong, are we the only team in the last 9-10 months not to have sold any of its TRUE 1st team squad??
On holiday with my wife and kids at the moment so not really bothering - just like the club? It's like the age old respect statement, people or institutions cant just demand respect, that's earned, the club treating the paying fans like idiots is shameful, whilst nobody wnats the team to do badly, many of us can see the impending car crash of mismanagement.
The club treats me with a modicum of intelligence and I'll think about respect, until then it simply isn't going to go away.
The club treats me with a modicum of intelligence and I'll think about respect, until then it simply isn't going to go away.
Dan, I am not defending Moyes here, they are all to blame but simply saying "It's Moyes fault" isn't true.
I would bet my left nad that Moyes would have booted a number of our "First teamers" to the kerb, if he could go out and get a good replacement. He can't so he suffers with Ossie/Vic out wide because we can't afford to get a decent winger because they have been already bought or completely out of our price range.
I have often argued the point that the players get off too easily on here, way too easily. The problem Moyes has, if someone is underperforming, who does he replace him with? We have had the smallest squad in the Premier League for who knows how many years and it is getting smaller, with less quality the more time goes on.
Moyes has his limitation, God knows they are discussed enough, but one of his biggest is being unable to call on a good player from the bench/squad to salvage games.
I would bet my left nad that Moyes would have booted a number of our "First teamers" to the kerb, if he could go out and get a good replacement. He can't so he suffers with Ossie/Vic out wide because we can't afford to get a decent winger because they have been already bought or completely out of our price range.
I have often argued the point that the players get off too easily on here, way too easily. The problem Moyes has, if someone is underperforming, who does he replace him with? We have had the smallest squad in the Premier League for who knows how many years and it is getting smaller, with less quality the more time goes on.
Moyes has his limitation, God knows they are discussed enough, but one of his biggest is being unable to call on a good player from the bench/squad to salvage games.
Craig, cough...Pienaar....cough....January.... cough.
@Tony 36
I knew one would slip my mind...ah well just trying to grasp at straws!!!
Roll on Saturday and if Hibbert scores we riot..........oh hang on think thats alreday been done!!!
I knew one would slip my mind...ah well just trying to grasp at straws!!!
Roll on Saturday and if Hibbert scores we riot..........oh hang on think thats alreday been done!!!
Peace will be restored then because there's no chance of Hibbert scoring.
Craig, to be fair it is the only one really that we were sorry to see go.
Come on Hibbert, this could be my last season ticket for a while (new house, wedding, trying for kids) give me something to remember this season by other than dour games.
Come on Hibbert, this could be my last season ticket for a while (new house, wedding, trying for kids) give me something to remember this season by other than dour games.
Again, agree with you Tony, but we have needed width for years. We needed width when we spent £15 mil on Fellaini. We needed width when we spent £9 mil on Bily, £6 mil on Heitinga. We have no money now, but in my opinion, he has had the opportunity's to address the situation, but hasn't done. The last player he signed that was a natural wide player was Van Der Meyde, and would another manager, one not so renound for being ultra stubborn, have handled that player better? Lets face it, managers are the ones who lose their jobs when excuses run out. A bad start this season, and im not sure which excuses, if any, should be accepted this time.
See Doddy #11 must have been talkin his usual nonsense again
I cant believe there are some fans who think that Davie Moyes job is at risk. This guy has done the impossible on a shoe string budget. Yes I am sure certain purchases have not pleased everyone, but even Fergie has made some purlers.
I cant think of another manager I would prefer, especially taking into account our poor financial situation.
I cant think of another manager I would prefer, especially taking into account our poor financial situation.
Dan, I had the feeling that Moyes spent that money too quickly because if he didn't spend it then, he wouldn't have seen it again.
Bily and Heitinga were, in a sense, panic buys ? the panic being if he didn't use the cash there and then it would have went into the black hole known as "operating costs".
The problem faced was when we had money, there were no decent players to buy, within our budget or who would come to us due to cack wages.
Bily and Heitinga were, in a sense, panic buys ? the panic being if he didn't use the cash there and then it would have went into the black hole known as "operating costs".
The problem faced was when we had money, there were no decent players to buy, within our budget or who would come to us due to cack wages.
I`ve got no beef with anybody who isn't going to the games this season . . but why do they feel the need to tell us time and time again?
Doddy chose his words badly, I don't think he believes we have fans who don't want us to get of to a flier, but that doesn't mean the knives are not already being sharpened if we don't. Some have got the knives out before a ball is kicked.
I doubt there is another club in the world where the gap between the backing of the board and the demands of the fans are so far apart.
Division Two standard Board providing a Conference standard transfer kitty ? backed by Champions League standard fans demanding a team challenging for honours against the worlds richest clubs.
A glimmer of encouragement is all the Evertonian needs, it's up to Moyes and his team to provide it.
Doddy chose his words badly, I don't think he believes we have fans who don't want us to get of to a flier, but that doesn't mean the knives are not already being sharpened if we don't. Some have got the knives out before a ball is kicked.
I doubt there is another club in the world where the gap between the backing of the board and the demands of the fans are so far apart.
Division Two standard Board providing a Conference standard transfer kitty ? backed by Champions League standard fans demanding a team challenging for honours against the worlds richest clubs.
A glimmer of encouragement is all the Evertonian needs, it's up to Moyes and his team to provide it.
Thank, you, Richard for the apology...
Although it seems to suggest you may have some bipolar issues:
That abuses all of us indiscriminately and is totally uncalled for.
Although it seems to suggest you may have some bipolar issues:
"I based my assertion on statements made to me personally rather than anything I read on ToffeeWeb."Then why on earth would you accuse "ToffeeWebbers" specifically of willing the team to do badly so they can vent their spleen on Moyesey and Blue Bill???
That abuses all of us indiscriminately and is totally uncalled for.
To be fair Michael, Doddy's nemesis, Marshy actually wanted to get beat 6-0 by Arsenal last year.
And we know he has many followers.
Daniel A Johnson
What use is having a go at Moyes and the players. Destroy there confidence, make them even worse. Do you not realise that these players are all we have got, there is nobody to replace them. I hope you don't manage people in the work situation as that is no way to get the best out of them.
What use is having a go at Moyes and the players. Destroy there confidence, make them even worse. Do you not realise that these players are all we have got, there is nobody to replace them. I hope you don't manage people in the work situation as that is no way to get the best out of them.
Brian Harrison, nobody is saying Moyes's job is at risk, but he can't on one hand say that this is the best squad he has ever had etc etc, then on the other complain of its size/quality when things go wrong. All I'm saying is that the past 2 seasons he hasn't had much of a problem getting results from mid-November onwards, so what excuse does he have for not being able to get them during the first 3 months of the season?
Tony, cack wages? It was widely reported that Heitinga was on £70k a week at Atletico, and the player himself said he was no worse of financially for his move to Everton. If he did panic buy and had little idea whether the likes of Bily and Heitinga were good enough for the club/league, then he should certainly be answerable for that.
Tony, cack wages? It was widely reported that Heitinga was on £70k a week at Atletico, and the player himself said he was no worse of financially for his move to Everton. If he did panic buy and had little idea whether the likes of Bily and Heitinga were good enough for the club/league, then he should certainly be answerable for that.
I sound like a Moyes basher, but im really not, but he shouldn't be untouchable. Evertonians complain of too many players in the squad of being exactly that like Neville, Arteta, Cahill etc where if they are fit, they play, no matter how off form they are.
Support and praise have to be earned, if the team produces the goods then the plaudits that come their way will be deserved. If the team goes down without showing any fight or pride in the jersey and standards are below previous seasons, then fans have the right to be critical.
I for one am just looking for improvement; if that can be achieved then I will be happy although in football there are always targets and the better you get the more you want.
I for one am just looking for improvement; if that can be achieved then I will be happy although in football there are always targets and the better you get the more you want.
Graham, they would have a fucking cheek if they let the stick get to them.
The players, along with Moyes are on huge wages to do a professional job, there not schoolkids.
The players, along with Moyes are on huge wages to do a professional job, there not schoolkids.
Brian #52
I'm no expert but I don't think there's any relationsionship between the amount you earn and how you react to "people having a go". Ask Joey Barton!
I'm no expert but I don't think there's any relationsionship between the amount you earn and how you react to "people having a go". Ask Joey Barton!
It's easy to say players are paid to do a professional job but there also playing against a side who are paid to do a professional job.
So on the pitch, pay is removed from the equation when it comes to performing better than the team you're up against.
So on the pitch, pay is removed from the equation when it comes to performing better than the team you're up against.
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