Season 2011-12
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Why is it the right decision, Seamie?
78 Comments: According to Coleman calling off the Spurs game was..."The right decision tho"
First of all, he's missed out the 'ugh!' Or did he anticipate that would be the response of many Evertonians to his reasonings. So come on, Seamus ? why is it the right decision to postpone ONLY the Everton game, when Spurs had earlier in the week announced that the game would go ahead?
Subsequent to their announcement, no more disturbances in the whole of London, never mind Tottenham. What more did they know this morning that they didn't know earlier in the week?
I'm sure you can guess from my tone that I have spent a small fortune to take my whole family down to London for the weekend (my only way of justifying going to the game). So no question of refunds. And I'll have to go anyway and kick my heels around London on Saturday afternoon.
Oh yes, right decision tho!
I'm sorry to pick on Coleman. I think he's great and his tweets are usually great. But this particular statement has infuriated me.
It's not the right decision. regardless of how out-of-pocket I may be. It's a ridiculous decision. And players should be more sensitive to the dedication of those fans who plan their summer around the fixture list. (Cahill came out with similar drivel.) From all I've heard there is scant justification for postponing this game on the strength of an incident almost a full week beforehand.
Not the right decision tho.
Geoff Harrison, Posted 11/08/2011 at 16:04:23
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Geoff, I am genuinely gutted for you. If it were me I'd burst 100 blood vessels.
Regarding the twitter comments of Seamus, I suspect they are similar to those of most footballers. Vacuous bullshit from vastly overpaid young men with overdeveloped senses of entitlement.
I admire Seamus ,by the way.
Regarding the twitter comments of Seamus, I suspect they are similar to those of most footballers. Vacuous bullshit from vastly overpaid young men with overdeveloped senses of entitlement.
I admire Seamus ,by the way.
Geoff, I'm sorry but It is the right decision. Do you think the game should have gone ahead because people have arranged to go?
If it did go ahead there could have been a problem - now it isn't there won't. How can that be anything but the right decision?
If it did go ahead there could have been a problem - now it isn't there won't. How can that be anything but the right decision?
Look mate, you're just another victim of the riots.
Some lost their cars, others lost their businesses, and a few lost their lives. Unfortunately now you and others have lost money on tickets and arranged trips to London.
Maybe the game could go ahead with no repercussions, but can you imagine if they didn't cancel it and then there were further problems and riots? You're country has suffered from enough football disasters without needing another one.
Obviously there is always going to some risk involved in any stadium event with 30,000+ people present. This risk has now been exacerbated and multiplied by the current civil unrest and stretched police force.
Allowing the game to proceed at this point would be somewhat risky, to say the least. When it comes to health and safety the local governments will always err on the side of cautiousness, lest somebody sue them.
Some lost their cars, others lost their businesses, and a few lost their lives. Unfortunately now you and others have lost money on tickets and arranged trips to London.
Maybe the game could go ahead with no repercussions, but can you imagine if they didn't cancel it and then there were further problems and riots? You're country has suffered from enough football disasters without needing another one.
Obviously there is always going to some risk involved in any stadium event with 30,000+ people present. This risk has now been exacerbated and multiplied by the current civil unrest and stretched police force.
Allowing the game to proceed at this point would be somewhat risky, to say the least. When it comes to health and safety the local governments will always err on the side of cautiousness, lest somebody sue them.
Cautiousness?? I meant 'caution'
It's the right decision because the Seven Sisters Road will be like Gallipoli. Don't be a fool.
gutted about the game. by the time we play QPR they will have a match under their belt and be that little bit sharper than us
maybe all those inconsiderate sods who have lost their homes, livelihoods, loved ones ( in some cases ) could have a bit of a whip round for you ?
Definitely right decision - my Spurs supporting mate Nev tells me that some areas around Seven Sisters tube are like a war zone.
Geoff (nothing to do with the post) you didn't once live in 'Stokie' did you.
Sorry about your weekend by the way.
Sorry about your weekend by the way.
Get over it.
From what I've read/watched - It's technically still a crime scene until the Police turn it back over to Council control which apparently won't be until tomorrow night. I'm surprised that more football league games in the area aren't cancelled. Sad days...
It's his opinion, and he's got a right to state it. I thought I'd seen it all on here but criticising a kid for having an opinion on a serious topical issue, fucking hell. If it all kicked off again an got a bit on top I imagine it would be pretty fucking bad. It ain't that great round Seven Sisters at the best of times!
Geoff, damn inconveniencing for you and very irritating but that link on the main article linking to the Spurs' fan's perspective must surely give you some perspective also. It doesn't seem like the decision was taken lightly.
I've booked flights over the years, planned trips etc and had to forego them because matches were postponed because of Sky, weather and other reasons. It's one of the hazards of not living locally that you might not be used to.
Sometimes in life things don't go as planned I suggest you get on with it and suck it up !
Dunno why you would have a go at the players as I'm sure they are keen to get going too (I know Seamie is injured) but they have to try show some maturity and leadership, nor sure it's fair to blame them for being out of touch on this one.
So sorry for the inconvenience and cost for you and other travelling fans but think of those that have lost lives, homes and livelihoods.
I've booked flights over the years, planned trips etc and had to forego them because matches were postponed because of Sky, weather and other reasons. It's one of the hazards of not living locally that you might not be used to.
Sometimes in life things don't go as planned I suggest you get on with it and suck it up !
Dunno why you would have a go at the players as I'm sure they are keen to get going too (I know Seamie is injured) but they have to try show some maturity and leadership, nor sure it's fair to blame them for being out of touch on this one.
So sorry for the inconvenience and cost for you and other travelling fans but think of those that have lost lives, homes and livelihoods.
http://www.spursodyssey.com/1112/perspective.html?
I think his statement was more to do with the fact that around the ground wasn't safe and is still a crime scene. Do you want him and the players to kick off to try get it played and then someone gets hurt or even worse.. But as long as you get to see the game then its ok! Think about the people down there who now have nowhere to live!!! Your not the first to be affected like this and wont be the last.. Think about the dutch fans who came over for the friendly.. Get over it.. It isnt Coleman's fault.
Give the locals a chance to get back to some form of normality
And look on the bright side -
we won't be bottom of the table (unless evey other game's a score draw?) and...
we won't be last on MOTD
And look on the bright side -
we won't be bottom of the table (unless evey other game's a score draw?) and...
we won't be last on MOTD
I wonder if this is a blessing in disguise. We play QPR first game so most definitely a prospective 3 points on the board and give us a positive start to the season. :-)
I seriously cannot believe that the OP has suborder this.
What an idiot. The resources in the area are already stretched to the limit; police and other services are being drafter in from all over the country to plug the gap.
I have close friends in the affected area. Throughout the country, people have lost their homes, businesses, communities and relatives do to this nonsense.
But hey Geoff, as long as you've got things in perspective in your little world then that's ok isn't it.
I'm genuinely ashamed to be associated (albeit only through a shared interest in a football club), with this inconsiderate idiot.
What an idiot. The resources in the area are already stretched to the limit; police and other services are being drafter in from all over the country to plug the gap.
I have close friends in the affected area. Throughout the country, people have lost their homes, businesses, communities and relatives do to this nonsense.
But hey Geoff, as long as you've got things in perspective in your little world then that's ok isn't it.
I'm genuinely ashamed to be associated (albeit only through a shared interest in a football club), with this inconsiderate idiot.
Typo=posted. Stupid phone....
Get a grip and do something else in London you selfish twat.
Whooahhh!! OK! OK! So I was fed up and looking for a way to vent my frustration. Perhaps there is a justification, but my crime here is that I wanted to watch Everton play. A few points though.
Firstly, I thought this was a website for those of an EFC leaning. Seems it's more for apologists of the Met!!
Second, I never knew so many Evertonians had friends and relatives down the Seven Sisters Road. I bow to their superior local knowledge and accept what they say..
BUT I maintain there is still an issue here.
I thought the game was sure to be off earlier in the week, but Tottenham issued a statement that the game would go ahead. Each night following I was glad to hear of no trouble in the London (Yes alright, perhaps I am a little narrow in my EFC vision, but hoping the match goes ahead does not mean I am unsympathetic to those who have suffered in the riots)
So what exactly happened to change matters. Yes, the proximity of disturbances to the Ground was an issue, but Spurs knew that earlier in the week.
Alright, I'm sorry to drag Seamie into it. I was just angry. I didn't expect the vitriol from certain individuals. I know we're all a bit worried about the season to come. I didn't realise that some Blues were happier if we didn't play.
I totally accept that my expense is nothing compared to those who've suffered. But, I'm sorry to say I'm still not convinced the game had to be called off. It still smacks of tokenism.
Yes it is me Eugene. We were in Stokie when the last riots took place. They were more socially conscious those riots. They didn't take place anywhere near the football season!
Firstly, I thought this was a website for those of an EFC leaning. Seems it's more for apologists of the Met!!
Second, I never knew so many Evertonians had friends and relatives down the Seven Sisters Road. I bow to their superior local knowledge and accept what they say..
BUT I maintain there is still an issue here.
I thought the game was sure to be off earlier in the week, but Tottenham issued a statement that the game would go ahead. Each night following I was glad to hear of no trouble in the London (Yes alright, perhaps I am a little narrow in my EFC vision, but hoping the match goes ahead does not mean I am unsympathetic to those who have suffered in the riots)
So what exactly happened to change matters. Yes, the proximity of disturbances to the Ground was an issue, but Spurs knew that earlier in the week.
Alright, I'm sorry to drag Seamie into it. I was just angry. I didn't expect the vitriol from certain individuals. I know we're all a bit worried about the season to come. I didn't realise that some Blues were happier if we didn't play.
I totally accept that my expense is nothing compared to those who've suffered. But, I'm sorry to say I'm still not convinced the game had to be called off. It still smacks of tokenism.
Yes it is me Eugene. We were in Stokie when the last riots took place. They were more socially conscious those riots. They didn't take place anywhere near the football season!
At least we start with a home game and a better chance of getting 3 points
Geoff, at no point did Tottenham say the game would be going ahead - they said it hadn't been called it off. Huge difference.
I must sympathise with Geoff & others who have laid out for travel, & possibly hotels, that the match has been cancelled so late in the day. The statements earlier in the week confirming the match would go ahead seemed ill-considered & irresponsible, imho. The eventual cancellation came as no surprise, other than the timing.
I'm sure the sterotypical comments regarding scousers are meant to be taken in jest : match cancelled to avoid unnecessary disappointment for travelling scousers finding there's nothing left worth stealing - boom, boom!
I'm sure the sterotypical comments regarding scousers are meant to be taken in jest : match cancelled to avoid unnecessary disappointment for travelling scousers finding there's nothing left worth stealing - boom, boom!
I've got a mate who has/had a newsagents round there and as has been posted earlier it's still a crime scene and yes Geoff mate they've still been kicking off around there only not on the scale as the first few nights.
The police don't have the resources in that area right now to give any serious commitment to a football match and I'm not sure that an influx of several thousand scousers would be too welcome!
On a sad footnote my mates newsagents has gone it was ransacked then torched and he doesn't know if he'll be bothered to re-open it even when he gets his payout.
So Geoff let it lie mate,before you say anything me and the lads had also spent money we could barely afford on travel and accommodation, we're still going to help my mate clean up.
The police don't have the resources in that area right now to give any serious commitment to a football match and I'm not sure that an influx of several thousand scousers would be too welcome!
On a sad footnote my mates newsagents has gone it was ransacked then torched and he doesn't know if he'll be bothered to re-open it even when he gets his payout.
So Geoff let it lie mate,before you say anything me and the lads had also spent money we could barely afford on travel and accommodation, we're still going to help my mate clean up.
I was quietly optimistic about Spurs away first game. When I say 'quietly' I mean I didn't think we would get beat... I'm not necessarily saying we would win so I had Everton at +1 handicap on my accumulator.
Anyways, QPR home and Blackburn away before the season comes to a halt again. Got to be 6 points!!! Surely??? Hmmm deja vu of 10/11 Blackburn away, Wolves home...
Ha ha ha, welcome Geoff to the unforgiving bear-pit that is TW.
I once mentioned on here I quite admired Red Adair.
I got death threats and was called all the Kopite cunts going (I jest of course)
Yeah Stokie went up in flames in 81.
I remember hoping that twat of a landlord (Hassle?) got his shop smashed to fuck.
'Appy diiiize
Anyway, hope all's good.
(and just crack the whip with these TW bums, they're like big dogs, got to be firm with 'em, show 'em who's boss)
I once mentioned on here I quite admired Red Adair.
I got death threats and was called all the Kopite cunts going (I jest of course)
Yeah Stokie went up in flames in 81.
I remember hoping that twat of a landlord (Hassle?) got his shop smashed to fuck.
'Appy diiiize
Anyway, hope all's good.
(and just crack the whip with these TW bums, they're like big dogs, got to be firm with 'em, show 'em who's boss)
Fair enough Geoff. Understandable. Can't say I was pleased whenever my match/weekend got ruined by something - especially as you say you had a lot of thought and planning and cost gone into it.
For all those saying we should now get 3 points at home - I hope you're right but we'll prob play for the solid point...................................
For all those saying we should now get 3 points at home - I hope you're right but we'll prob play for the solid point...................................
Oh get the fuck over yourself. the riots were right near the ground and the area is a wreck. God forbid you miss out on one game. Pathetic.
Geoff
If you have booked train tickets then I believe Virgin Trains are offering a refund for train tickets on production of a match ticket.
Just a thought.
Next time tho, blame David Moyes. It's all his fault.
If you have booked train tickets then I believe Virgin Trains are offering a refund for train tickets on production of a match ticket.
Just a thought.
Next time tho, blame David Moyes. It's all his fault.
I live in Seven Sisters, only a few days ago we thought we would have to evacuate the area. Although it's not too tense now, the last thing needed is masses of people descending on an area where people are picking through what remains of their lives.
What a pillock... People have lost their homes, businesses and been robbed left-right-and-centre for fucks sake.
It's only a game of football at the end of the day ? one we'd have lost too, so thank yourself lucky that unless everyone else draws, we'll not be bottom on Saturday night....
You need to put this in perspective mate.
Kenwright's fault all this.......
It's only a game of football at the end of the day ? one we'd have lost too, so thank yourself lucky that unless everyone else draws, we'll not be bottom on Saturday night....
You need to put this in perspective mate.
Kenwright's fault all this.......
I think people are missing Geoff's point here, he's just pissed off he's going to miss the game we've all looked forward to and a lot of us have forked out for. He's got every right to be upset.
On the other hand, I bet the rioting chavs would've been rubbing their hands together at the thought of us lot pitching up on Saturday.
On the other hand, I bet the rioting chavs would've been rubbing their hands together at the thought of us lot pitching up on Saturday.
Fuck me, I mention big dogs and Barks appears!
(and a touch rabid by the sound of him).
Grrrrrrrr
GET TO FUCK!!! (boot!!)
Whiiiiine.
(and a touch rabid by the sound of him).
Grrrrrrrr
GET TO FUCK!!! (boot!!)
Whiiiiine.
If I had kids, I wouldn't be taking them to London this weekend, footy or no footy ? end of.
Geoffs got every right to be pissed off.
You guys should be directing your anger at the little bastards who created his problem .
You guys should be directing your anger at the little bastards who created his problem .
I'd also be pissed off Geoff, but I probably wouldn't go looking for sympathy... especially on here!!!
http://themondaysupplement.co.uk/breaking-news/everton-in-carry-on-looting-plea-to-people-of-liverpool/
Brilliant stuff.
Brilliant stuff.
Why has no-one blamed Hibbo yet - are we all going soft?
http://themondaysupplement.co.uk/headline/man-city-launch-huge-transfer-raid-on-everton/
Even better stuff! Best article I've read this summer.
Even better stuff! Best article I've read this summer.
"Firstly, I thought this was a website for those of an EFC leaning. Seems it's more for apologists of the Met!!" - Oh for fucks sake!!!
Cancelling the match was the right decision and i cannot believe anyone would think differently. The U.k police force is already stretched to its limits yet you think it is acceptable for the forces to divert their attention to a game of Football when people have lost lives, houses etc just because you have lost a few quid. I'm sorry but what a pathetic ignorant selfish response to have. Cancelling the match is definitely the right decision.
John 38 + 40
Good links! Some of the comments after the articles are just so bizarre! I am constantly amazed at how daft some people are.
Yes Tottenham is a crime scene and it's a real pisser if you had plans to go but as posters have said there are a lot of people suffering a great deal more.
I work with Cyril (nice one son) Knowles brother and was dreading work the Monday after that game....his brother is a really nice bloke and I would have hated taking the piss after stuffing them 1-1
Good links! Some of the comments after the articles are just so bizarre! I am constantly amazed at how daft some people are.
Yes Tottenham is a crime scene and it's a real pisser if you had plans to go but as posters have said there are a lot of people suffering a great deal more.
I work with Cyril (nice one son) Knowles brother and was dreading work the Monday after that game....his brother is a really nice bloke and I would have hated taking the piss after stuffing them 1-1
Exactly, Dave Wilson.People suffer all over the world every Saturday. Life goes on and must. If the police cannot provide a safe environment for the Spurs Everton game then it's a fucking shame. A crime scene? Fucking Somalia is a crime scene.Geoff is right to be angry.
I actually meant Sudan.It kind of fucks up your self righteous anger when you get it wrong.
I actually meant Sudan.It kind of fucks up your self righteous anger when you get it wrong.
I actually meant Sudan.It kind of fucks up your self righteous anger when you get it wrong.
I actually meant Sudan.It kind of fucks up your self righteous anger when you get it wrong.
Sorry.
Although the area around Tottenham is bad, it is not like a war zone that keeps getting quoted and it certainly is nowhere near as dangerous on the streets as after the Broadwater Farm Riots. The local community has been hit hard and an early return to normality would be much better for everyone (apart from Haringey council and/or the local police it seems). Local businesses need matchday revenue as soon as possible and a lot of residents would prefer 35,000+ football fans on the streets rather than rioters and looters.
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Another week for Arteta's foot to recover before we play
John (40) - Don't know who posts that stuff. But funny. Reminds me of the "Onion" http://www.theonion.com/
At the very least, it's pretty easy to see that our game was the one that was at the most risk of postponement.
The players would have looked ridiculously out-of-touch and insensitive if they'd complained about the game being postponed in the circumstances so I don't blame them for toeing the company line here.
Would've been nice if they'd looked into postponing the game til Monday as an option though to avoid fixture congestion down the track for both us and Spurs.
The optimist in me is looking forward to a Goodison game first up against promoted opposition.
The players would have looked ridiculously out-of-touch and insensitive if they'd complained about the game being postponed in the circumstances so I don't blame them for toeing the company line here.
Would've been nice if they'd looked into postponing the game til Monday as an option though to avoid fixture congestion down the track for both us and Spurs.
The optimist in me is looking forward to a Goodison game first up against promoted opposition.
Get a life mate, there's more than you in the world. Take the wife and kids to the theatre, I am sure BK will have at least one show running this weekend....'Blood Brothers' maybe.
The first game of last season, when Blackpool realised their ground wasn't going to be ready in time, the Premer League authorised them to switch the game with Wigan to the JJB!
Why couldn't they have arranged that for us, or is Goodison not ready either?
ps: Thats not a dig at the club as they obviously weren't expecting to have a game this early.
The postponement of the Spurs Everton season opener is a slap in the face for all Everton fans ? and it is a political decision, not a logistical one.
The very obvious reason is that the Met, the Home Office and Number 10 do not want several thousand Evertonians in London this weekend because in their eyes we are all looters and criminals. It has nothing to do with the area being a crime scene, the place not being cleaned up in time etc etc.
If it was Tottenham vs Chelsea or Arsenal the game would go on. The right thing to do if there was a security issue or if there was an issue of cleaning things up would have been to postpone the start of the season for a week to give things a chance to cool down.
Right now, the police are too busy kicking in doors and don't want us thieving scousers down there yet. Every other game is on, but we are being penalized. Outrageous.
Peter Fearon - it must be bad living in a world that paranoid.
Gareth (58).
I (un)happily admit to the same 'paranoia' as Peter.
I trust NOTHING that comes from politicians and/or the police.
In fact I might be worse as I believe anyone (barring weddings or funerals) wearing a suit to do business, is probably out to con me.
And to quote the 70's t-shirt (often advertised back of the NME, next to the Loons ad) "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me".
I (un)happily admit to the same 'paranoia' as Peter.
I trust NOTHING that comes from politicians and/or the police.
In fact I might be worse as I believe anyone (barring weddings or funerals) wearing a suit to do business, is probably out to con me.
And to quote the 70's t-shirt (often advertised back of the NME, next to the Loons ad) "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me".
The Tottenham riots were last Saturday they have had longer than anyone else to sort the situation out, everywhere else has, so why not there? If other games got called off, I wouldn't've questioned it but they didn't, they wanted to make a statement without really doing much so they stopped the game where the riots started. It's pathetic.
Where were they when the riots were going on? Nowhere, and now it's too late, they want to do something about it. Now it's all stopped!! I have been to the scene that apparently is stopping the game going ahead and I could clear it up myself in a fucking hour!!!
At least Tottenham's new super star Italian foward won't be facing us tomorrow - Grabatelli!
Peter, what an absolutely ridiculous thing to say....we all know there is feck all left to rob.........
It's all Osmans fault.
Why didnt they transfer the game to Goodison and we play them at WHL later on in the year?
Still wouldn't stop Geoff's rant, he has booked London.
After reading all that, I am going to treat myself to a Tweet.
Mick Pedley (56)
There is a good reason why our game could not be switched to Goodison this weekend. There is also another Premier League we share a city with. They are playing this weekend. In their home stadium. Which is not all that far from ours. So the police might - just might - have vetoed that idea, were it ever to have been proposed.
There is a good reason why our game could not be switched to Goodison this weekend. There is also another Premier League we share a city with. They are playing this weekend. In their home stadium. Which is not all that far from ours. So the police might - just might - have vetoed that idea, were it ever to have been proposed.
Gareth, obviously you know absolutely nothing about the history of the political oppression of the working class for the last 200 years. If you want to learn, start with "The Land of Lost Content" and move on to "The Making of the English Working Class" You may also wish to research how Magaret Thatcher targeted football fans for her particular brand of repression after Hillsborough, or research how the courts have treated football fans over the last 50 years.
Understand your frustration Geoff! I for one wouldnt spend money by going to London to see us lose, so I think you saved yourself some pain there.
Now some people here take offence to your post, and seem angry but I am supportive as I support a fellow Evertonian.:-)
Lets hope you will get some of it refunded.
Now some people here take offence to your post, and seem angry but I am supportive as I support a fellow Evertonian.:-)
Lets hope you will get some of it refunded.
Well Jimmy, we drew at Spurs last season and had beaten them three times before that so how do you know we'd have lost?
I see the first team squad are coming to Dublin for a friendly on Monday.
Every cloud and all that.......................
Every cloud and all that.......................
Conor, have you any info about this game?
Is this Coleman's fault then. I knew it or him or Hibbert or Osman.
Fucking Kenwright !!! he started it by smashing Tesco's window, although to be fair to the blue haired nonagenarian, it was a novel way of injecting new investment into the club, from now until they run out, all players will receive a win bonus of a packet of crisps {multipack various flavours} along with a choice of a packet of polos or a throw away lighter.
One good thing to come out of this is that we can't be bottom of the league on Satdee night.
Andy, Monday night at 7.45. OS gives all detail, if you need more info that I can chase - let me know. Seems full first team is coming - not the usual reserves that make it over here.
Nick, If all other matches finish as draws we will be exactly joint bottom with Spurs and even though we have the alphabetical advantage we will be in the bottom three whatever way you look at it.
So I'm afraid yes we can be bottom.
So I'm afraid yes we can be bottom.
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Have any other riots of lately been so close to any other stadium?
I can only sympathise with people who have made prior arrangements for the game and have lost out, e.g. train fairs, hotels etc.