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48 Comments: So Bill tells us something we already know: we're skint. In today's world of recession, banks are calling in debt, people struggling to find jobs, and Rooney is spending 30 grand for a sirrup.
Still, Bill's hand was forced to come up with his latest statement, and in my eyes, has not done us any favours. With cash-rich clubs on the alert that we are potless, many may feel that the likes of Fellaini and Jagielka could be on their way to service more debt.
I know that this has been muted before but have the Blue Union thought about setting up a scheme whereby fans could contribute by their own means towards the club in either buying shares or launching a takeover? I would happily part with a few quid to see this through and I'm sure so would many others.
Steve David, Posted 18/08/2011 at 14:40:10
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Don't worry about it Steve, loads of fans can now say, "I told you so".
It was all worth it in the end.
It was all worth it in the end.
Unfortunately the comments after the Echo story just proves the point that we have a large majority of dimwitted fans who will continue to support our chairman.
Even after reading the interview with Blue Union ? they still can't see that he's an idiot of the highest calibre. In fact, one of them even said he'd put Blue Union 'firmly in their place'...
I mean, seriously ? the mind fuckin boggles...
Even after reading the interview with Blue Union ? they still can't see that he's an idiot of the highest calibre. In fact, one of them even said he'd put Blue Union 'firmly in their place'...
I mean, seriously ? the mind fuckin boggles...
Everyone wanted Bill to come clean and say we have no money so he could 'be honest' with us....well he finally has. So what? What does it change in a positive sense? Nothing.
Ppl want Moyes to come clean and be honest too. Why? If he said, 'look I'm really fruistrated, I wanted to buy Nzogbia, Odemwingie, a creative midfielder, another winger, cover for Baines, a better back up keeper but we have no damn money', what would it achieve? NOTHING!
All this wonderful honesty about what we can guess...we have no money.
Surely we just need to concentrate on the future rather than get waylaid by pointless desires such as 'just be honest with us Bill...'
Ppl want Moyes to come clean and be honest too. Why? If he said, 'look I'm really fruistrated, I wanted to buy Nzogbia, Odemwingie, a creative midfielder, another winger, cover for Baines, a better back up keeper but we have no damn money', what would it achieve? NOTHING!
All this wonderful honesty about what we can guess...we have no money.
Surely we just need to concentrate on the future rather than get waylaid by pointless desires such as 'just be honest with us Bill...'
Very useful Tony
However, talking to some of my Arsenal friends earlier, they asked why doesn't our Board offer fans something on the lines of the Arsenal Armoury Square scheme
https://bookings.arsenal.com/stones/index.htm
We've had mention on Toffeweb in the past about such "in memoriam" bricks/plaques etc being a way to give the club money and, most importantly, of course, NOT dilute the value of the Boards' shareholdings
But I suppose such a scheme would require an Executive with willingness, planning, foresight and business acumen, all not much in evidence in the Goodison bunker, sorry boardroom
However, talking to some of my Arsenal friends earlier, they asked why doesn't our Board offer fans something on the lines of the Arsenal Armoury Square scheme
https://bookings.arsenal.com/stones/index.htm
We've had mention on Toffeweb in the past about such "in memoriam" bricks/plaques etc being a way to give the club money and, most importantly, of course, NOT dilute the value of the Boards' shareholdings
But I suppose such a scheme would require an Executive with willingness, planning, foresight and business acumen, all not much in evidence in the Goodison bunker, sorry boardroom
#1 Neil - I don't see that proposition making any headway at all. The ground is not the club, contrary to what we the fans may (or may not) feel.
i.e. to have fans buy a ground that many think we need to move from?
The money would have to go to debt reduction, not really helping because the club would have additional outgoings.
A fan organization would be responsible for maintenance of a very old lady, and would perhaps be liable if a game cannot be played for safety reasons.
I think it's a creative idea, and I think all ideas should be voiced, and perhaps it was even a bit tongue in cheek, but I doubt it could actually happen.
i.e. to have fans buy a ground that many think we need to move from?
The money would have to go to debt reduction, not really helping because the club would have additional outgoings.
A fan organization would be responsible for maintenance of a very old lady, and would perhaps be liable if a game cannot be played for safety reasons.
I think it's a creative idea, and I think all ideas should be voiced, and perhaps it was even a bit tongue in cheek, but I doubt it could actually happen.
The only way forward is a huge cash injection by a rich benefactor/new owner. Any scraping together of the odd couple of £m is totally useless as it only ges straight into the current players pockets. We need an initial £100m injection to clear the debt and allow Moyes at least a £10-20m transfer budget . A secondary injection of another £150-200m is required to build us a new ground - this may well take years and rely on the seasonal £20m transfer budget allowing us some day into the CL and hence a bigger income, brand etc
You say how you know economic times are tough and people are losing their jobs. Then you think a scheme where these same fans experiencing these problems will somehow find millions to send to the club? Really? And to answer the other poster using the Arsenal example. I hate to break it to everyone but there are a few huge differences. One being that Arsenal do have a much bigger fan base. Another being that they are located in London and there is a hell of a lot more money in those Londoner's pockets than there is in those in Liverpool. Add those two together and it's a pretty pointless exercise. The only answer is a major takeover.
Hey David....word in your lugole: not all Evertonians live in Liverpool, not all have no disposal income
Wherever you go - in the world! - you meet Blues and the vast majority of them are as daft as us AND know their history
I agree it wouldn't bring us the required megamillions but at least we'd be able to pay the electricty bill and fix that bloody broken step
Wherever you go - in the world! - you meet Blues and the vast majority of them are as daft as us AND know their history
I agree it wouldn't bring us the required megamillions but at least we'd be able to pay the electricty bill and fix that bloody broken step
What really pises me off, we haven't even enjoyed the good times to get this skint. Leeds got to the Champs League semi's Portsmouth won a trophy, and ALL our player purchases have come from Sales of Rooney, Lescott, Johnson, Mcfadden. Kenwright has done us good n proper, we are on a severe downward spiral, we are fucked.
Now who dare says remember the dark days of Peter Johnson!
Now who dare says remember the dark days of Peter Johnson!
Basically Bill should never have "bought" the club to begin with. Beyond that, he comes across as a complete idiot in the interview and has no idea what happened to 24 million. He has misplaced faith in Earl and says he has no idea what Earl and Ross are on about. Seems to me like he has lost control to his mates and the bank. Who will invest in a team when the chairman admits he is clueless about the finances and can't even sing from the same song sheet as the rest of the board? talk about red flags.
I've posted this elsewhere but it makes more sense in this thread:
And now Kenwright's statement(s), all of which we knew anyway, hit the news.
Can't wait for the tabloids tomorrow.
So what have we achieved? More ammunition for our piss-taking neighbours. The value and saleability of our club diminished. Players distracted on the eve of our premiership kick-off. The esteem in which we were held by non-Evertonians damaged. The list could go on and on.
We are the only EPL club to have exposed themselves in such a warts-and-all public way and it is horrible.
We are the begging club that can't even borrow a quid any more. We are the club that IS for sale but has had zero interest from potential suitors.
Any Evertonian that didn't know these things already was clearly in denial. The point is that nobody else needed to know.
The term PR has been used frequently in recent posts and the lack of a statement from the club dismissed as poor PR. So today's revelations must therefore be good PR then eh?!
Perhaps this is BK's reposte to the growing ranks of Evertonians that have been critical of everything to do with the running of the club. The ultimate irony is that, in giving them what they want and telling the uninhibited truth, he has damaged the reputation of the club we all love for some time.
And now Kenwright's statement(s), all of which we knew anyway, hit the news.
Can't wait for the tabloids tomorrow.
So what have we achieved? More ammunition for our piss-taking neighbours. The value and saleability of our club diminished. Players distracted on the eve of our premiership kick-off. The esteem in which we were held by non-Evertonians damaged. The list could go on and on.
We are the only EPL club to have exposed themselves in such a warts-and-all public way and it is horrible.
We are the begging club that can't even borrow a quid any more. We are the club that IS for sale but has had zero interest from potential suitors.
Any Evertonian that didn't know these things already was clearly in denial. The point is that nobody else needed to know.
The term PR has been used frequently in recent posts and the lack of a statement from the club dismissed as poor PR. So today's revelations must therefore be good PR then eh?!
Perhaps this is BK's reposte to the growing ranks of Evertonians that have been critical of everything to do with the running of the club. The ultimate irony is that, in giving them what they want and telling the uninhibited truth, he has damaged the reputation of the club we all love for some time.
My answer to those who say "what was the point? I already knew" or some other self serving comment is;
I fuckin' didn't!
I suspected - but prayed to god I was wrong - that accusations he was arrogant, deluded, a complete chancer, incompetent beyond belief and year by year was getting us in a worse mess was bollocks.
I hoped that the chairman of Everton would be cleverer than us mere mortals and have a master stroke just waiting to slay us pestering critics.
Well now I KNOW he hasn't, never has had and is a danger to this club - every bit as cocky as Hicks and Gilette but without the business acumen.
The only way to force him out is financially - he is an actor - skin like a fuckin rhino, criticism goes with the job his belief that everyone else is wrong will protect him.
Oh yeh, when he starts fighting back he'll fight tooth and nail - IT IS HIS TRAINSET - don't underestimate that.
I fuckin' didn't!
I suspected - but prayed to god I was wrong - that accusations he was arrogant, deluded, a complete chancer, incompetent beyond belief and year by year was getting us in a worse mess was bollocks.
I hoped that the chairman of Everton would be cleverer than us mere mortals and have a master stroke just waiting to slay us pestering critics.
Well now I KNOW he hasn't, never has had and is a danger to this club - every bit as cocky as Hicks and Gilette but without the business acumen.
The only way to force him out is financially - he is an actor - skin like a fuckin rhino, criticism goes with the job his belief that everyone else is wrong will protect him.
Oh yeh, when he starts fighting back he'll fight tooth and nail - IT IS HIS TRAINSET - don't underestimate that.
Trevor (14) - Well thank God for that. I thought our name was being dragged through the mud for no reason but, hey, if it's cleared things up for you then it's worth it. Right?
As for your bollocks about hoping the Chairman of Everton was "cleverer than us mere mortals". Well he was clever enough to keep his mouth shut until pushed by self-appointed "proper" Evertonians like you.
And thank you for you professional judgement of BK's business acumen compared to the former owners of the redshite. Taking them to the brink of financial ruin despite having significantly more wealth than BK and our board is clearly a blueprint for businesses around the world.
As for your bollocks about hoping the Chairman of Everton was "cleverer than us mere mortals". Well he was clever enough to keep his mouth shut until pushed by self-appointed "proper" Evertonians like you.
And thank you for you professional judgement of BK's business acumen compared to the former owners of the redshite. Taking them to the brink of financial ruin despite having significantly more wealth than BK and our board is clearly a blueprint for businesses around the world.
We all know what's wrong and who's to be blamed. But nobody is stepping up to rescue the club. Bill is to be blamed for the mother of all sins. True. He needs to be punished and ostracized. I get that. But who has gone public saying that he wanted to buy the club but Bill refused? Who is that investor who wants to buy but cannot do so because Bill is refusing? I remember the new owners of RS went public with their intentions to buy when the previous owners would not agree to sell. They even went to court to force the previous owners to sell. Then why don't the mysterious investor who wants to buy Everton go to the court to get rid of Bill? Who and where is he? I'll go to him hat in hand so that he pushes Bill out.
The rest of the footballing community know we are skint already so claims of humiliation a tad melodramatic and wide of the mark, who doesn't know we haven't bought a player for two years and counting? Publishing the ramblings of the chairman may have finally turned more of the fence sitters against him and those with their heads buried firmly up their own arseholes or in sand to the fact the club is sinking fast and doesn't have a plan A never mind a plan B, maybe by gathering a groundswell of the fans who have been here before BK and his cronies and will be there long after we finally get shut of the chairman and board who are leading the club to the wall.
Or you could stay in denial, do fuck all and like BK himself ignore reality and hope for a miracle or an appointment that never turns up
Or you could stay in denial, do fuck all and like BK himself ignore reality and hope for a miracle or an appointment that never turns up
Trevor M ? #14
Bang on, he ain't going without a fight, a massive bloodbath awaits...
What a fookin mess!
Bang on, he ain't going without a fight, a massive bloodbath awaits...
What a fookin mess!
Sur Jo the new owners of the RS didn't go to court. RBS were about to close them and forced the sale; the interim board had found a buyer who wasn't willing to meet the ridiculous price it was on offer at; the court and not the new owner made the choice thanks to RBS.
Gavin, I get your point. I want to know why prospective buyers are not forcing Everton's sale. Surely, they can at the very least make their intention to buy public.
They may contact Blue Union, for example, and we Toffeewebers can start a protest to force Bill out.
I mean if there is someone out there to buy us, why aren't they somehow let us, fans, know? Or, why our bank is not forcing the current board to sell?
They may contact Blue Union, for example, and we Toffeewebers can start a protest to force Bill out.
I mean if there is someone out there to buy us, why aren't they somehow let us, fans, know? Or, why our bank is not forcing the current board to sell?
The only club I know who have an embargo on transfers is Wrexham, are we joining them??
We are the ONLY club in the Premier League who have done nothing during this transfer window so how does that sit with BK's excuses that every club is suffering!!
He said that we can only trade so what happened to Vaughan and Pienaar... who did we trade them for??
I'm sick to death over the feeble utterances of supposed poverty when we have a loyal fan base of over 35,000 and we consistently finish above most of the active clubs in this transfer window... so why are we lagging behind every other team in the league???
These questions have not been answered in any of BK's diatribe so I for one do not buy into this poverty excuse. Embezzlement or total business mismanagement is the only answer.
When BK puts a show on in the West End he makes sure he has the actors and singers in place before he opens!! What about the EFC show ????
Our squad is dwindling and a lot of the players are ageing... where are the replacements?? Our reserves are rubbish and virtually none of them are ready for the Premier League... I have said this before...this is the first time since 1948 (my own fan history) that EFC have not had money for players, this is a spiral to disaster ? if not next season, then soon after!!
A totally disgusted and embarrassed BLUE!!!
Scott @ 15
I nearly bit, then I read your last few words:
"and our board is clearly a blueprint for businesses around the world" allied to the unprompted personal barbs I have a fair idea which idiot name you normally post under - go away you dull little man.
I nearly bit, then I read your last few words:
"and our board is clearly a blueprint for businesses around the world" allied to the unprompted personal barbs I have a fair idea which idiot name you normally post under - go away you dull little man.
It's a nice thought. But let's see what you're talking about. We average 35000 per game. So let's say 33000 are home fans.
So, we have now been told we have £45,000,000 in debts, That means we need 33000 fans to each invest over £1300 to solely clear the debt. Then there's money to invest in the squad, let's say £40-50,000,000. We get a half decent striker, another defender and a ageing midfielder. Plus, money to redevelop Goodison. I can't even imagine the costs involved in that. So just to clear the decks, and put some money into the club, you're looking at a rough figure of £100,000,000. All of a sudden those 33,000 fans need to stump up over 3k each.
Plus, you have to get those 33000 people to agree on future decisions, and continue to invest, and unanimously agree to any sale of the club or ground issues. Way more frightening than Bill Kenwright.
So, we have now been told we have £45,000,000 in debts, That means we need 33000 fans to each invest over £1300 to solely clear the debt. Then there's money to invest in the squad, let's say £40-50,000,000. We get a half decent striker, another defender and a ageing midfielder. Plus, money to redevelop Goodison. I can't even imagine the costs involved in that. So just to clear the decks, and put some money into the club, you're looking at a rough figure of £100,000,000. All of a sudden those 33,000 fans need to stump up over 3k each.
Plus, you have to get those 33000 people to agree on future decisions, and continue to invest, and unanimously agree to any sale of the club or ground issues. Way more frightening than Bill Kenwright.
But Nick...the broken step, man - surely we could have a whip-round for that?
Sur from the response from BK I don't think any sane business person would actually want to do business with him as the major shareholder, the suggestion of an interim board there solely to find a buyer and progress the sale was one thing he actually responded vehemently to in the meeting demanding that he aws the best (only?) person that could sell the club, this smacks of scary delusion and again would a buyer with the sort of money involved not walk away faced with him?
I can say that due dilligence would incur confidentiality clauses but I'd also point out that BK has previously denied the involvement of Amanda Staveley, Amanda has serious credentials and record for brokering far greater than any deal Keith Harris has done, if that sudden admittance was explored then who knows what we might find out
I can say that due dilligence would incur confidentiality clauses but I'd also point out that BK has previously denied the involvement of Amanda Staveley, Amanda has serious credentials and record for brokering far greater than any deal Keith Harris has done, if that sudden admittance was explored then who knows what we might find out
Sur Jo #20
The answer is (and I suspect you know this already) that no-ones interested in buying us.
Trevor #22
You really think its Doddy in disguise?
The answer is (and I suspect you know this already) that no-ones interested in buying us.
Trevor #22
You really think its Doddy in disguise?
Folks,
Our only happiness this year would be the RS spending more than 100M and ends the league out of the top 4. Thanks to their King of course. I mean 35M for Andy Caroll; 20M for Henderson, & then drawing at home on the first day! That's sound business. How about Andy Caroll scoring less than 10 for them this season. Beckford would better than for sure for us. The best would be us finishing one place above them.
Just wanted to cheer up from the glooms and dooms.
Our only happiness this year would be the RS spending more than 100M and ends the league out of the top 4. Thanks to their King of course. I mean 35M for Andy Caroll; 20M for Henderson, & then drawing at home on the first day! That's sound business. How about Andy Caroll scoring less than 10 for them this season. Beckford would better than for sure for us. The best would be us finishing one place above them.
Just wanted to cheer up from the glooms and dooms.
Shakespear once said:
In times of darkness, thou should look at thy neighbor!!!
In times of darkness, thou should look at thy neighbor!!!
Sur Jo #27
Nail on the head.. ain't it so fucking depressing!!
Nail on the head.. ain't it so fucking depressing!!
#15 is certainly someone in disguise
Hmmm
Hmmm
So we have had confirmed what anyone with a single brain cell knew for ages. The Blue Union should take legal action to find out exactly where that 20 mil goes.
The club may be classed as a private business yet it is run entirely on public money of one sort or another and I include SKYs input as part of that.
Vis a vis, RS ex owner facing legal action over misuse of a clubs money.
The club may be classed as a private business yet it is run entirely on public money of one sort or another and I include SKYs input as part of that.
Vis a vis, RS ex owner facing legal action over misuse of a clubs money.
Maybe destination Kirkby really was the only viable alternative.
Sur, and he also said:
"Nothing can come of nothing"
And my favourite, " Get thee to a nunnery"
Sorry couldn't refuse, I'm drowning my sorrows - its all Bill's fault - "Off with his head!"
"Nothing can come of nothing"
And my favourite, " Get thee to a nunnery"
Sorry couldn't refuse, I'm drowning my sorrows - its all Bill's fault - "Off with his head!"
Brendan, it's Doddy.
I have been thinking about this for a while but could it really be as simple as this to get a new ground.
70M - Naming rights from a sponsor for 10 or 15 years.
30M - Land from the council used as a new site.
60M- Contribution from the club made up from the sale of Goodison lets say 10M and the other 2.5M a year paid over 20 years.
30M- From a Hotel company who would build a luxury complex also on the site.
Now I know a lot of it is fanciful and i have not been drinking and the figures I admit to plucking out of the air in the spirit of our estemeed chairman.
Is it possible though for Everton to get enough money to get a new stadium from just naming rights and paying a set ammount a year back in rent like Arsenal do.
70M - Naming rights from a sponsor for 10 or 15 years.
30M - Land from the council used as a new site.
60M- Contribution from the club made up from the sale of Goodison lets say 10M and the other 2.5M a year paid over 20 years.
30M- From a Hotel company who would build a luxury complex also on the site.
Now I know a lot of it is fanciful and i have not been drinking and the figures I admit to plucking out of the air in the spirit of our estemeed chairman.
Is it possible though for Everton to get enough money to get a new stadium from just naming rights and paying a set ammount a year back in rent like Arsenal do.
1 - In relation to Steve's original post: I would be all in favour of supporters chipping in, but that must entail the departure of the current board. Why should we (or anyone) bail them out when they have so clearly failed?
2 - Yes we are in financial mess and BK admitted it in his rambling interview. One question Bill: who has been in charge for the last ten years as we got to this point?
3- If the club is for sale but we have had no serious offers, then the chances are it is because the sale price is wrong. Everything has a value, and that value is what people are willing to pay for it. Maybe your valuation of Everton is too high. Or maybe it is Philip "Tottenham" Green's valuation that is too high, and that is what is scaring off potential purchasers.
2 - Yes we are in financial mess and BK admitted it in his rambling interview. One question Bill: who has been in charge for the last ten years as we got to this point?
3- If the club is for sale but we have had no serious offers, then the chances are it is because the sale price is wrong. Everything has a value, and that value is what people are willing to pay for it. Maybe your valuation of Everton is too high. Or maybe it is Philip "Tottenham" Green's valuation that is too high, and that is what is scaring off potential purchasers.
Kinda sad that having been one of the first millionaire clubs many years ago we are now destitute and cannot even get a bank loan.
We couldn't get any backing for a new ground and we cannot get any investors.
Funny how other teams got new grounds and teams like Blackburn managed to get investors.Many rumours have linked us to many players and whilst most of the rumours were obviously unfounded there must have been a small percentage that were true and yet we couldn't get to first base so it seems.
Even on the ''loan scene'' it appears we struck out. Would this be because other clubs offered better terms I wonder?
Whilst we can only speculate why we haven't strengthened the squad there appears to be some lethargy judging by the statements made by management.
Is it maybe that BK wants to remain in complete control and that enquiries from potential investors have hit a brick wall in that department?
Personally I cannot believe that Everton do not have a plan to get the club out of the doldrums but then as long as loyal paying fans buy season tickets they will continue the same way.
We couldn't get any backing for a new ground and we cannot get any investors.
Funny how other teams got new grounds and teams like Blackburn managed to get investors.Many rumours have linked us to many players and whilst most of the rumours were obviously unfounded there must have been a small percentage that were true and yet we couldn't get to first base so it seems.
Even on the ''loan scene'' it appears we struck out. Would this be because other clubs offered better terms I wonder?
Whilst we can only speculate why we haven't strengthened the squad there appears to be some lethargy judging by the statements made by management.
Is it maybe that BK wants to remain in complete control and that enquiries from potential investors have hit a brick wall in that department?
Personally I cannot believe that Everton do not have a plan to get the club out of the doldrums but then as long as loyal paying fans buy season tickets they will continue the same way.
unfortunately Sean GP wont make the club any money; at least 14 current mortgages on it
The thing that struck me about the blue union thing wasn't anything new. I mean what has really been revealed we didn't already know?
No the thing that struck me was the idiocy of the man. He is a clown and no one in their right mind would want him at the helm. Or want to even do business with him!
No the thing that struck me was the idiocy of the man. He is a clown and no one in their right mind would want him at the helm. Or want to even do business with him!
James @ 39
well said.
As an aside My fave film by your namesake was "the man who shot liberty valance"
well said.
As an aside My fave film by your namesake was "the man who shot liberty valance"
Euro millions is 57 million tomorrow night win that and we are half way there!
Bill was going to buy a ticket Tom, but the bank wouldn't lend him the money!
Yeah right!
Trevor, the statement you have copied and pasted you clearly did not read properly and/or understand as you have started your quotes from a word which alters its meaning completely! My statement basically said in response to YOUR comment about BK which was "every bit as cocky as Hicks and Gilette but without the business acumen" that you clearly thought that Hicks & Gilette's managing of the RS (which brought them to the brink of administration) was a "blueprint for businesses around the world". I was NOT referring to how Everton was run. I was referring to the weak logic of your arguement.
As for unprompted personal barbs, well accusing me of being Doddy is right up there Trevor as is your whipping-up of a posse!
I AM NO KENWRIGHT SUPPORTER OR APOLOGIST. His words and performance the other day summed up his words and performance over the last few years i.e. confused, contradictory, arrogant, lacking cohesion or management vision etc etc.
My point, which I will make once again for complete clarity, is that I hate seeing the club that I love being publicly humiliated. You may disagree with my comments or think I am overreacting but I do not see any benefit from making such statements publicly. Headlines on Sky's website like "banks won't lend (to Everton)" and "Everton desperate for a buyer" are obvious to us Evertonians but, in my opinion, not for public consumption as they devalue us as a brand and diminish the respect which we have always had from non-Evertonians. A little like going on the Jeremy Kyle show with your missus in the mistaken belief that it will sort your marital problems!
Again, all my opinion Trevor but one that has an element of reasoned logic to it whether you agree with it or not. You are entitled to disagree and clearly you do but do not categorise me as one of Kenwright's gang, especially by misquoting me.
Like most on here I am only interested in Everton and what is best for the club that I have supported for 40 years and which I intend to continue supporting until I breathe my last breath.
Trevor, the statement you have copied and pasted you clearly did not read properly and/or understand as you have started your quotes from a word which alters its meaning completely! My statement basically said in response to YOUR comment about BK which was "every bit as cocky as Hicks and Gilette but without the business acumen" that you clearly thought that Hicks & Gilette's managing of the RS (which brought them to the brink of administration) was a "blueprint for businesses around the world". I was NOT referring to how Everton was run. I was referring to the weak logic of your arguement.
As for unprompted personal barbs, well accusing me of being Doddy is right up there Trevor as is your whipping-up of a posse!
I AM NO KENWRIGHT SUPPORTER OR APOLOGIST. His words and performance the other day summed up his words and performance over the last few years i.e. confused, contradictory, arrogant, lacking cohesion or management vision etc etc.
My point, which I will make once again for complete clarity, is that I hate seeing the club that I love being publicly humiliated. You may disagree with my comments or think I am overreacting but I do not see any benefit from making such statements publicly. Headlines on Sky's website like "banks won't lend (to Everton)" and "Everton desperate for a buyer" are obvious to us Evertonians but, in my opinion, not for public consumption as they devalue us as a brand and diminish the respect which we have always had from non-Evertonians. A little like going on the Jeremy Kyle show with your missus in the mistaken belief that it will sort your marital problems!
Again, all my opinion Trevor but one that has an element of reasoned logic to it whether you agree with it or not. You are entitled to disagree and clearly you do but do not categorise me as one of Kenwright's gang, especially by misquoting me.
Like most on here I am only interested in Everton and what is best for the club that I have supported for 40 years and which I intend to continue supporting until I breathe my last breath.
Steve, what you've suggested is what Trust Everton are supposedly doing.
Search the website archives for the relevent info.
Search the website archives for the relevent info.
Is anyone chipping in or not?
Yes We Can! But Trust Everton are not looking to take over the Club.
Tony
What is Trust Everton looking to do then?
Are we going to get another update on progress any time soon?
What is Trust Everton looking to do then?
Are we going to get another update on progress any time soon?
Scott (#43), I totally understand where you're coming from, but I'm not sure that the very public "outing" of our situation in the media will do much damage. Whether you think EFC is a good potential purchase is your own opinion, but I happen to think it is. Any genuine interested party will already be aware of the challenge they would inherit. It's all big news to us, but to your average tabloid-reading fan of other clubs, it'll be very much "meh". Sycophantic sympathy and crocodile tears is all we'll garner - a read of the responses to Phil McNulty's blog on the Beeb site (stripping out the mindless moronic responses) demonstrates that. Most people kind of respect us, but if we did drop out of the Prem, we wouldn't be missed.
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