Season 2011-12
The Mail Bag
Phil Jagielka
54 Comments: Speculation seems to be growing everyday with regards to Phil Jagielka and Arsenal.
Personally, I really like Phil Jagielka, I like the way he hasn't rocked the boat in the style of Joleon Lescott whilst there is the whiff of a big money move in the air. He seems to be one of the very small band of current Premier League players who show a bit of loyalty.
Now although I do like him and his attitude, I have to say, anything upwards of £15M and he has to go.
I don't think he has been the same since his injury, to be quite frank, I feel like he's an accident waiting to happen every time he plays. This has been proved where he could perhaps be blamed for the two goals we have conceded this season. The cynic in me says his concentration is going as he has no real competition, Moyes is never going to drop him.
The big fear of course is what would happen to any money recouped. It's been stated that it would all go to the bank but, after reading all the fallout from the Blue Union Meeting, would this be such a bad thing?
In an ideal world, we would sell him for £18 million, and spend that on Daniel Sturridge and Adam Johnson or some other Football Manager style scenario. But what will probably happen is we sell him two minutes before the deadline passes and spend precisely nothing of the money!
So what do you think ? stay or go?
Franny Porter, Posted 25/08/2011 at 13:47:58
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To be honest i have been back and forth on my opinion to whether we should sell. Only the other day i commented on a thread that we should instead look to sell the likes of Heitinga, Billy, Yobo, Yakubu etc to raise roughly the same amount we would get for Jags.
I agree with Nick that the Arsenal result last night means they will be a more attractive proposition for a player now.
I actually think we are being stubborn trying to hold on to our better players (who are starting to age and have the higher wages) perhaps the sale of Jagielka and a low cost replacement such at Ridgewell (experienced prem player at £4m) would provide a nice lump sum to the bank.
We are a more attractive proposition to potential buyers if our debt is gone and our outgoings are lower, therefore it makes financial sense and we still have backup in that position
I agree with Nick that the Arsenal result last night means they will be a more attractive proposition for a player now.
I actually think we are being stubborn trying to hold on to our better players (who are starting to age and have the higher wages) perhaps the sale of Jagielka and a low cost replacement such at Ridgewell (experienced prem player at £4m) would provide a nice lump sum to the bank.
We are a more attractive proposition to potential buyers if our debt is gone and our outgoings are lower, therefore it makes financial sense and we still have backup in that position
It's too late to benefit from selling him now, unless the club has someone lined up already, which I doubt. The squad isnt big enough to take that kind of risk.
Stay.
Stay.
I don't think any club with such obvious financial problems should be turning £15m down for 29yr old centre backs.
Whether this money is re-invested in players is irrelevant. If we really were up the creek in a year or two, something that is certainly possible, then he is worth significantly less due to his age.
One of the few things I can still credit Moyes with is his eye for a player. I'm sure that he could find a suitable replacement or develop one of our younger players to ensure we have the right amount of cover there.
I think the football would improve markedly should Heitinga go into the back four. People forget how well he played there in his 1st season.
Once again this week we have seen that Jag/Dizzer don't work as a pertnership.
Whether this money is re-invested in players is irrelevant. If we really were up the creek in a year or two, something that is certainly possible, then he is worth significantly less due to his age.
One of the few things I can still credit Moyes with is his eye for a player. I'm sure that he could find a suitable replacement or develop one of our younger players to ensure we have the right amount of cover there.
I think the football would improve markedly should Heitinga go into the back four. People forget how well he played there in his 1st season.
Once again this week we have seen that Jag/Dizzer don't work as a pertnership.
If you are talking about £18 million-ish then we've got to sell for that sort of money. We could probably get Ridgewell & Dann from Birmingham for about £10 million. Sell,buy a younger,cheaper replacement,and give the bank a few quid. Beggars can't be choosers.
Got to agree with Danny #5.
Think we 'have to sell' rather than 'want to sell'.
If we can get in Ridgewell from Brum, pay some cash to bank and have enough left over for some loans then i think it is a no-brainer.
By the way, I am a big fan of Jags but Everton FC must come first.
If Moyes can do this in the next week then it will look good on his CV cos at present his player sales has been blotted by Gosling, Pinear, Yak, etc.
Think we 'have to sell' rather than 'want to sell'.
If we can get in Ridgewell from Brum, pay some cash to bank and have enough left over for some loans then i think it is a no-brainer.
By the way, I am a big fan of Jags but Everton FC must come first.
If Moyes can do this in the next week then it will look good on his CV cos at present his player sales has been blotted by Gosling, Pinear, Yak, etc.
If Jags is sold on deadline day (and let's face it, it could happen), then the Ridgewell 6-month loan rumour seems to suggest that Moyes either needs a stop-gap until being able to buy a replacement in January, or to check out Ridgewell as the replacement himself, before committing to a permanent deal. Heitinga at centre-half is fine by me, by the way.
I'm with Danny #5 and would even be satisfied if we didn't get a centre back as replacement. We still have Heitinga, Yobo and Duffy on the books as cover. But we need to spend part of the money on new players, a decent winger and striker could do wonders for us.
If all the money would go straight to the banks I say: keep him and sell Yobo to give the banks some money.
If all the money would go straight to the banks I say: keep him and sell Yobo to give the banks some money.
"In an ideal world, we would sell him for £18 million, and spend that on Daniel Sturridge and Adam Johnson".
Yep, luv that one.
I understand the reasoning of why we need to sell Jagielka, but fuck me, replacing a England International with Ridgewell on loan. The incline on the slippery slope is starting to become precarious. We have a small squad with few quality players lets at least try and keep hold of the better ones.
Selling your best players only leads to one thing on the pitch and that is an inferior team and we all know where that can lead.
Selling your best players only leads to one thing on the pitch and that is an inferior team and we all know where that can lead.
I suppose the only time over the last few years that we've been able to refresh our squad is when we've sold someone for big money.
I'm a big Jags fan both as a player and, given his mature response to all the transfer speculation, a person. But needs must, and even if we had to, say, give two-thirds of any fee straight to the banks then we'd have a few million to play with before the transfer deadline. Not sure we'd need a direct replacement (maybe a loan, as suggested), but rather invest that money in a striker to address what's probably a bigger weakness.
I'm a big Jags fan both as a player and, given his mature response to all the transfer speculation, a person. But needs must, and even if we had to, say, give two-thirds of any fee straight to the banks then we'd have a few million to play with before the transfer deadline. Not sure we'd need a direct replacement (maybe a loan, as suggested), but rather invest that money in a striker to address what's probably a bigger weakness.
The memory span of some people amazes me. If we sell Jags for £18m, the bank will take £18m and we won't get a replacement.
We'd sell for £15 million. Get Ridgewell for £3million and the rest will go to the bank. No thanks. Sell Bily, The Yak and Yobo if anyone wants them. No one else should even be considered for sale.
Say we sold him for £18m. I don't think that would automatically all go to pay off the bank. Say we give two-thirds to the bank; that pays off half of our supposed overdraft in one payment. Then we've got £6m to utilize elsewhere. Not exactly a perfect scenario, but does allow us some flexibility.
Within obvious constraints, the bank does have some interest in Everton remaining a relatively successful Premier League club. Certainly they're better placed to get their money back if we can remain in the top 10 while at the same time living within our means. If that means clearing the debt while retaining, say, a third of transfer money earned for reinvestment in the team, I think that would be a reasonable argument that could be made.
A £2 million sale (e.g. Pienaar) - yes, I can see why the bank would want us to service our debts with the full amount of that revenue. An £18m sale, I think that's a slightly different matter.
Within obvious constraints, the bank does have some interest in Everton remaining a relatively successful Premier League club. Certainly they're better placed to get their money back if we can remain in the top 10 while at the same time living within our means. If that means clearing the debt while retaining, say, a third of transfer money earned for reinvestment in the team, I think that would be a reasonable argument that could be made.
A £2 million sale (e.g. Pienaar) - yes, I can see why the bank would want us to service our debts with the full amount of that revenue. An £18m sale, I think that's a slightly different matter.
I never really understood why Jags is rated so highly. As a footballer, he's as bad on the ball as Neville, if not worse. At one point in the QPR game he nearly broke his own leg trying to manovere his body and play a five yard pass with his left foot. Cant get my ahead around why someone would bid so highly to be honest.
So let him go. Who replaces him? Why not Duffy. Inexperienced yes, but isn't that how you gain experience. Whats the worst that can happen? One or two mistakes will see us drop a league position or two. But think of the positives - 15million to the banks will keep Bill in the hotseat for another year...
So let him go. Who replaces him? Why not Duffy. Inexperienced yes, but isn't that how you gain experience. Whats the worst that can happen? One or two mistakes will see us drop a league position or two. But think of the positives - 15million to the banks will keep Bill in the hotseat for another year...
Yes, and Cahill..
Take that 25mill and give it to the banks. This makes us a more attractive proposition for a prospective buyer, and in my opinion reduces the amount of tactical mistakes Moyes can make (i.e playing Cahill every game he's fit ad infinitum). Resulting in better football.
However, that stubborn git Moyes will not sell...He thinks selling players is a weakness - but he fails to realise it's sometimes a strength.
Take that 25mill and give it to the banks. This makes us a more attractive proposition for a prospective buyer, and in my opinion reduces the amount of tactical mistakes Moyes can make (i.e playing Cahill every game he's fit ad infinitum). Resulting in better football.
However, that stubborn git Moyes will not sell...He thinks selling players is a weakness - but he fails to realise it's sometimes a strength.
".. in the QPR game he nearly broke his own leg trying to manovere his body and play a five yard pass with his left foot"
You bastard. I'm full of cold at the moment, with nostrils as red as Gok Wans ringer, and that comment has just made me snot all over the screen.
You bastard. I'm full of cold at the moment, with nostrils as red as Gok Wans ringer, and that comment has just made me snot all over the screen.
Sell if the bank want the money back now then fine, but as another said earlier if think its more a case of them not lending us anymore rather than needing everything repaid, providing we can cover the interest on outstanding debt then there is no reason for them to worry.
Personally if it does happen then I would like to see Duffy given a go, if we do bring anyone in to replace my choice would be Ohnuna.
Personally if it does happen then I would like to see Duffy given a go, if we do bring anyone in to replace my choice would be Ohnuna.
If we want to replace Jags I don't want a stop gap.. Ridgwell I might be wrong but is not good enough.. I would have wanted a Phil Jones.. that would have been perfect..
But as he is gone.. maybe this Dann fellow..
But where I am going is if Eric Dier is as good as they say.. I would spend 10m (complete guess) to get him permanent...
then again.. I wouldn't replace Jags, so easy for me to say.
But as he is gone.. maybe this Dann fellow..
But where I am going is if Eric Dier is as good as they say.. I would spend 10m (complete guess) to get him permanent...
then again.. I wouldn't replace Jags, so easy for me to say.
Incidentally, hasn't Moyes always said that in the long term he sees Rodwell as a central defender? Given the emergence of Barkley (and without putting too much pressure on him) gives us a little more flexibility in midfield, maybe that'd also be a possible option to look at.
Ciarán McGlone
16 Posted 25/08/2011 at 16:09:41
"However, that stubborn git Moyes will not sell...He thinks selling players is a weakness - but he fails to realise it's sometimes a strength."
Moyes biggest fault, apart from substitutions and negativity.
16 Posted 25/08/2011 at 16:09:41
"However, that stubborn git Moyes will not sell...He thinks selling players is a weakness - but he fails to realise it's sometimes a strength."
Moyes biggest fault, apart from substitutions and negativity.
@16 Spot on.
Moyes is a good buyer on the whole but poor seller.
Selling Jagielka would be a strength just as selling lescott was.
Jagielka is an honest pro yes but very limited player and we play better football without him!!! SELL SELL SELL
I would sell everyone if a serious bid came in. The only exceptions being Baines and Barkley.
Moyes is a good buyer on the whole but poor seller.
Selling Jagielka would be a strength just as selling lescott was.
Jagielka is an honest pro yes but very limited player and we play better football without him!!! SELL SELL SELL
I would sell everyone if a serious bid came in. The only exceptions being Baines and Barkley.
Well said Ciaran
Barry - I think it's all part of Moyes' biggest overall weakness as a manager, which is a general conservatism and unwillingness to take risks.
I do wonder about how much of that conservatism is down to the general club situation he finds himself in. That our financial situation is precarious enough that he actively avoids risk.
I mainly say that because I remember that when he first took over, and we were in a crisis situation, he took an often radical approach; which led to some crazy games.
Of course, it may also merely be that he's become more conservative with age.
I do wonder about how much of that conservatism is down to the general club situation he finds himself in. That our financial situation is precarious enough that he actively avoids risk.
I mainly say that because I remember that when he first took over, and we were in a crisis situation, he took an often radical approach; which led to some crazy games.
Of course, it may also merely be that he's become more conservative with age.
I'd hate to be in the trenches with you lot..........the guy gets a serious and career threatening injury, he regains fitness and possibly not back at his best, he signals to the Manager and the fans during a pre-season of discontent his desire to stay and play for the shirt, earn his keep, not rock the boat or engineer a move for one final pay day and signing on fee. He shows loyalty and commitment, doesnt do a 'Lescott' soon as a glamourous Champions league side come snifffing offering bigger wages. And all we get is hypothetical scenario's on a football manager scale of all the permutations that could happen with £18 million in the bank. For the record I want Jags to stay and the gas turned up even higher on blue bill, missing in action Earl, kipper like a walrus woods and hoytie toytie is that a double or a treble Mr Kendall - Philip Carter.
I think Rodwell could move to centre half plus we have Heitinga as an adequate replacement anyway. Half to the bank half on a striker.
Sell.
Sell.
To all the people saying we have got Duffy to come in be honest how many games have you ever seen him play?
I think a lot of fans who watch the reserves will tell you he is not ready to be playing week in week out in the premier league.
Also, Peter Laing, well fuckin said.
I think a lot of fans who watch the reserves will tell you he is not ready to be playing week in week out in the premier league.
Also, Peter Laing, well fuckin said.
Jags seems a good and loyal lad and two thirds of 18 mill to the bank would be good for our club. I would spend the rest on a pacey winger probably eastern European in the Kanchelskis mode.
The guy would have to be on the left to play with Bains. The strikers would have to be told to start scoring or else.
I also like the idea of Bains playing left mid, a bit like Harry Biggs has done with Bale. That way we could concentrate the money on a striker and sell all the other useless twats, in that role we currently employ.
But to lose Jags a certain quote from Michael Corleone comes to mind,
"It's business sonny, just business"
The guy would have to be on the left to play with Bains. The strikers would have to be told to start scoring or else.
I also like the idea of Bains playing left mid, a bit like Harry Biggs has done with Bale. That way we could concentrate the money on a striker and sell all the other useless twats, in that role we currently employ.
But to lose Jags a certain quote from Michael Corleone comes to mind,
"It's business sonny, just business"
I say sell Jags for anything from 15M-18M. With his age and our current situation you can't help but think what's best for the club. I love Jags and love his loyalty, but you have to do what is best for the club. However, with Moyes setting him up to be next in line for the Armband, i cannot see this happening.
We have Heitinga, Yobo, and even Rodwell to take that role. Rodwell has still been linked to the CB role. I think Heitinga would fit perfectly and even give us more flowing football from the back.
The club needs the money and right now the long term stability and future of the club should be the main concern.
We have Heitinga, Yobo, and even Rodwell to take that role. Rodwell has still been linked to the CB role. I think Heitinga would fit perfectly and even give us more flowing football from the back.
The club needs the money and right now the long term stability and future of the club should be the main concern.
Get rid of him as he is shite, nothing more than a hoofball merchant and was totally at fault the the goal on Saturday.
The only reason we got him was as part of the deal which sent Beattie to Sheff United.
Wenger is the one losing the plot by even offering £15 mil for him; in that respect, it's great to see one of the Sky darlings that desperate to sign someone.
The only reason we got him was as part of the deal which sent Beattie to Sheff United.
Wenger is the one losing the plot by even offering £15 mil for him; in that respect, it's great to see one of the Sky darlings that desperate to sign someone.
Completely agree Paul, we are a better and more balanced footballing side with Jonny and Distin at the back. Jags is clearly a top lad, but needs must.
Jags is a great Evertonian and I love him for that but he wellies the ball to no one in particular and that is giving the ball away, so it comes right back to him or the rest of the defence and he has to deal with it more often than a good passing defender, thereby making more pressure and inevitably more mistakes, he wont change at his age, sorry to see him go ,just like Vaughny,but tara lad and good luck and I mean that
Agree with GJ @ 15.
Sell him if a decent bid comes in, regardless of how much of the money Moyes gets to spend.
Jags, to me, panics under any sort of pressure which I believe is not unrelated to the number of OGs he has scored. Very limited footballer, our biggest hoof merchant but doesn't rock the boat and makes some fine last ditch challenges, so doesn't come in for the same level of criticism as he might.
Let Heitinga play every game at centre back, give Rodwell a run in midfield (and see if he can justify the hype) and let Duffy cover at CB. Plus it looks like Yobo will still be there too. Even someone on a season long loan purely as cover - which Moyes has history of i.e. Senderos, Gardner, Ferrari - would do the job. I don't think this would weaken us on the pitch but I know it would strengthen us financially off the pitch.
And that attempted pass GJ refers to was embarrassing!
Sell him if a decent bid comes in, regardless of how much of the money Moyes gets to spend.
Jags, to me, panics under any sort of pressure which I believe is not unrelated to the number of OGs he has scored. Very limited footballer, our biggest hoof merchant but doesn't rock the boat and makes some fine last ditch challenges, so doesn't come in for the same level of criticism as he might.
Let Heitinga play every game at centre back, give Rodwell a run in midfield (and see if he can justify the hype) and let Duffy cover at CB. Plus it looks like Yobo will still be there too. Even someone on a season long loan purely as cover - which Moyes has history of i.e. Senderos, Gardner, Ferrari - would do the job. I don't think this would weaken us on the pitch but I know it would strengthen us financially off the pitch.
And that attempted pass GJ refers to was embarrassing!
Agree with GJ @ 15.
Sell him if a decent bid comes in, regardless of how much of the money Moyes gets to spend.
Jags, to me, panics under any sort of pressure which I believe is not unrelated to the number of OGs he has scored. Very limited footballer, our biggest hoof merchant but doesn't rock the boat and makes some fine last ditch challenges, so doesn't come in for the same level of criticism as he might.
Let Heitinga play every game at centre back, give Rodwell a run in midfield (and see if he can justify the hype) and let Duffy cover at CB. Plus it looks like Yobo will still be there too. Even someone on a season long loan purely as cover - which Moyes has history of i.e. Senderos, Gardner, Ferrari - would do the job. I don't think this would weaken us on the pitch but I know it would strengthen us financially off the pitch.
And that attempted pass GJ refers to was embarrassing!
Sell him if a decent bid comes in, regardless of how much of the money Moyes gets to spend.
Jags, to me, panics under any sort of pressure which I believe is not unrelated to the number of OGs he has scored. Very limited footballer, our biggest hoof merchant but doesn't rock the boat and makes some fine last ditch challenges, so doesn't come in for the same level of criticism as he might.
Let Heitinga play every game at centre back, give Rodwell a run in midfield (and see if he can justify the hype) and let Duffy cover at CB. Plus it looks like Yobo will still be there too. Even someone on a season long loan purely as cover - which Moyes has history of i.e. Senderos, Gardner, Ferrari - would do the job. I don't think this would weaken us on the pitch but I know it would strengthen us financially off the pitch.
And that attempted pass GJ refers to was embarrassing!
Phil Jagielka is rapidly turning into David Unsworth. Head down, twat it as far as possible.
Anything near £15m is phenomenal, cash in, pay done debt, free some wages up and let Heitinga pass the ball from the back
Anything near £15m is phenomenal, cash in, pay done debt, free some wages up and let Heitinga pass the ball from the back
Jon Cox
"Harry biggs" for Redknapp that's genius mate - just loved it.
"Harry biggs" for Redknapp that's genius mate - just loved it.
As others have said, would really like to keep him and full of admiration for the way he's handled speculation, but probably very much a win-win.
We have to sell.
Jags has always been a 'recovery' defender - prone to mistakes but with the speed and agility to recover and spare his own blushes. Since the knee injury he hasn't quite been the same.
Personally, i love the bloke & would feel horrible seeing him in another shirt, but realistically if we can move forward with a set of CB's of Distin, Heitinga, Duffy & Yobo (pending his own sale) i'll be happy to knock 15 million off the debt.
Jags has always been a 'recovery' defender - prone to mistakes but with the speed and agility to recover and spare his own blushes. Since the knee injury he hasn't quite been the same.
Personally, i love the bloke & would feel horrible seeing him in another shirt, but realistically if we can move forward with a set of CB's of Distin, Heitinga, Duffy & Yobo (pending his own sale) i'll be happy to knock 15 million off the debt.
20 years ago Jageilka would have been a rock in any back four. However in todays football, you need 11 players who can pass a ball. That is how the game has progessed. Jageilka, great stopper that he is, is in fact one of Everton's biggest weaknesses. He is the reason we constantly turn the ball over to the opposition. To sell him is a no brainer. 18 MILLION! He can't pass water, he is shite in football terms. What is the problem? We need money, and we already have one of the best center halfs in the world and we play him in midfield!! FFS!! Everton would be miles better with a footballing center back. Sell Rodwell too, the lad hasn't got the goods. He's an athlete who looked the part in his age group, but as a footballer he has no X factor. Barkley is streets ahead of him.
I think some people on here are refusing, or incapable of realising how much in the financial mire we are.
Previous seasons, we'd wait until the August Sky money to sign players (notwithstanding any players out).
Then we had a period of giving ridiculous contracts to players who weren't seriously being coveted by other clubs to "make a statement". Costs up.
Now we're taken to borrowing against 2012-13 Sky money (surely risky, unless we're capped at borrowing against the parachute payment level).
So the mid August dash for players won't happen (didn't happen last season). Hence any money brought in will go to the bank in its entirety, as we need to reduce our cost base, as we've now reduced our income stream.
Previous seasons, we'd wait until the August Sky money to sign players (notwithstanding any players out).
Then we had a period of giving ridiculous contracts to players who weren't seriously being coveted by other clubs to "make a statement". Costs up.
Now we're taken to borrowing against 2012-13 Sky money (surely risky, unless we're capped at borrowing against the parachute payment level).
So the mid August dash for players won't happen (didn't happen last season). Hence any money brought in will go to the bank in its entirety, as we need to reduce our cost base, as we've now reduced our income stream.
Sell. Install Heitinga at CB, give some money to the banks and buy some cover. It's a no brainer. Short term pain for long term gain.
It's being reported on some Arse website that "Wenger has given up hope of signing Phil Jagielka from Everton and has finally decided to pitch in with an opening bid for Bolton?s Gary Cahill."
Just a rumour but maybe we have missed the boat anyway?
Just a rumour but maybe we have missed the boat anyway?
If we do sell Jags purely to placate the bank the question is who's next?
With no obvious signs of investment into the club then come the January transfer window do we have to offload another saleable asset (Baines, Fellaini)?
I never thought i'd see things in this state at our club.
With no obvious signs of investment into the club then come the January transfer window do we have to offload another saleable asset (Baines, Fellaini)?
I never thought i'd see things in this state at our club.
It's being reported on some Arse website that "Wenger has given up hope of signing Phil Jagielka from Everton and has finally decided to pitch in with an opening bid for Bolton?s Gary Cahill."
Just a rumour but maybe we have missed the boat anyway?
Just a rumour but maybe we have missed the boat anyway?
Arsenal have had a bid rejected for Cahill, according to numerous websites this morning so think Jags is off his list.
Apparently the bid for Cahill was 6 Million, being reported on Talksport.
I've heard its no longer Jags they are interested in but Arteta.
Apparantly they've offered £10m and we want £12m
Talk of a Korean loanee as part of the deal.
I'd be amazed if we don't sell at least one big player by september ? it's almost inevitable in my opinion.
Apparantly they've offered £10m and we want £12m
Talk of a Korean loanee as part of the deal.
I'd be amazed if we don't sell at least one big player by september ? it's almost inevitable in my opinion.
I think Jagielka would be a bigger loss to the squad than Arteta. As much as I love Arteta, we have more options in centre mid than we do at centre half. If Jags goes we're left with a 34 year old Distin, an unproven Duffy, Heitinga and a centre half who's never played in that position (Rodwell).
Only if an £18m bid came in. I dont believe in selling your best players but desperate times call for desperate measures. Hietinga can drop to CB which means the midfield would be more balanced. The problem is if Distin or Heitinga got injured we would be screwed.
If Arsenal offer 12 million for Arteta take it. Get Barton in on a free, sell Jags for 15 million and keep Yobo. Barton's wages would probably be roughly around the same as Mikels. That would be 27 million in, I know we would not get the fee's upfront but this could be used to halve the debt. Its not ideal as I would like to keep both but it seems we have to do something.
Matt Traynor - we have secured borrowing against future money for about 10 years. Season tickets, TV Money, Premier League Money.
Fellaini, Heitinga, Bily etc all come from these revenue sources.
INcoming transfer money has been used to pay off exppiring loans and we have had to secure against borrowing from new streams.
What we are experieincing is nothing new, it is just that we have nothing left to secure against
Fellaini, Heitinga, Bily etc all come from these revenue sources.
INcoming transfer money has been used to pay off exppiring loans and we have had to secure against borrowing from new streams.
What we are experieincing is nothing new, it is just that we have nothing left to secure against
"I think Jagielka would be a bigger loss to the squad than Arteta."
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I can't agree...Arteta has been our most consistent creative player, and sometimes our only creative player. (last season he was recovering from a potentially career ending cruciate injury before anyone starts)..
Jagielka would not be missed in my opinion..in fact, I would suggest it would improve our play if Heitinga replaced him.
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I can't agree...Arteta has been our most consistent creative player, and sometimes our only creative player. (last season he was recovering from a potentially career ending cruciate injury before anyone starts)..
Jagielka would not be missed in my opinion..in fact, I would suggest it would improve our play if Heitinga replaced him.
1) Agree with Ciaran McGlone. Would take bids for Jags & Cahill, at one time our most effective players.
Justification is to see if we can find replacements closer in age profile to the core of the next Everton team.
Most would describe that core as being Baines, Felli, Coleman, Rodders, Barkley - that there is neither a centre half or a striker on that list is a concern....
2) People have to stop mentionning Rodders as a centre half...does no-one recall how he judged the flight of the ball for Ashavins goal against us last yr.......seriously Hibbert was preferred to him at centre half.......Hibbert!!
3) In the interim, I for one am happy to pay money to watch Jon Heigtinga hit 60 yr passes out of defence that consistently find a man.....
4) As back up Yobo is still far better than Ridgewell and probably only earns 10k less......strikes me as unnecessary horse-trading
Justification is to see if we can find replacements closer in age profile to the core of the next Everton team.
Most would describe that core as being Baines, Felli, Coleman, Rodders, Barkley - that there is neither a centre half or a striker on that list is a concern....
2) People have to stop mentionning Rodders as a centre half...does no-one recall how he judged the flight of the ball for Ashavins goal against us last yr.......seriously Hibbert was preferred to him at centre half.......Hibbert!!
3) In the interim, I for one am happy to pay money to watch Jon Heigtinga hit 60 yr passes out of defence that consistently find a man.....
4) As back up Yobo is still far better than Ridgewell and probably only earns 10k less......strikes me as unnecessary horse-trading
Just hope if Heitinga slots in beside Distin, he doesn't shit out of any tackles and doesn't get sent off all the time.
It's a fine line. Jag's hoofs or Heitinga's unpredictability!!
It's a fine line. Jag's hoofs or Heitinga's unpredictability!!
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1 Posted 25/08/2011 at 14:22:36
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However, Jag's decision will be based on balance sheets and if its stay or go it will just be for the best either way.
PS, how much does last night's Arsenal victory mean to our future?