Season 2011-12
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Learning from mistakes?
24 Comments: I have quite a few friends from other clubs across the country; given Everton's 'plight' and of financing, I am repeatedly reminded ''we are lucky to have Moyes'' and ''Moyes is the next Man Utd manager''.
Now, in some respects I think EFC and Moyes are a perfect fit. I think he does have some negatives though, and I also believe that other clubs will never touch Moyes for these key reasons:
1) Transfer activity ? Davey's transfer dealings are better when he has little to spend; give him too much and he's like a kid in a sweet shop. I also disagree with his decision to hand out such a bumper contract to Arteta. The guy plays x amount of games a season, is hardly ever fit and every decent player we have now will want parity to him. Like Pienaar as well, if they feel they are worth the wages, Everton can't afford to let them go in search of it.
Everton's wage structure is surely a cap below £70k/wk, I think our accounts mirror this. Why we signed Fellaini and Yakubu for such extravagant amounts I'll never know either, we will not recoup much from either and the 'Fellaini talks' are I believe a smokescreen. If we get what we paid he'll be on his way. This probably wasn't helped by the fact they were last-minute buys, which brings me to my second point...
2) Dithering ? It's no coincidence that Wolves did all of their dealings early this year and have started positively. OK, they may not last the course but signing the likes of Roger Johnson early appears to be paying dividends. Year on year, Moyes waits till the last minute over everything, sometimes this has been due to maybe players going to fund new deals (eg, Lescott) but I can see that it's not just with transfer activity... He dithers with tactics etc also. How many times does Moyes leave it to the last ten minutes to bring on a sub, sometimes in games we are chasing?
3) Season Preparation ? Everton have lost their first game of the last four seasons, sometimes failing to ignite till at least 7 or 8 games. Surely after the many seasons he's been at Everton he'd have learnt to get his house in order earlier?
4 ) Stubbornness ? Everton are crying out for a striker at the moment also, so why buy someone for a record fee only to not even play him now? I don't know what has gone on with Moyes and Yakubu but he is a proven goalscorer and, given the alternative (Beckford), he must be worth a punt again. I am not Yakubu's biggest fan but...???
Ferguson is as stubborn as any manager, he went on record saying that getting rid of Jaap Stam was a mistake. He got good money for him and over time has replaced him successfully. If we look at Moyes and Yakubu, signed for just over £10 million, surely Moyes would be keeping him in the shop window to sell him now. He'll go for a free in the summer guaranteed.
I get the feeling Moyes has gone stale at Everton but, like I say, I think we are a good fit ? I just wish he'd learn from his mistakes.
Allan Jones, Posted 28/08/2011 at 10:31:38
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However, Fellaini is class and if we tie him on a long term contract we could double our money on him. The boy is class and a season without injury will propel him into the category of being one of the finest defensive midfielders there are.
In terms of 'doing business early' thats easy to say but impossible to achieve when you don't have a pot to piss in. Had yobo and yak gone early as planned I think we would have N'Zogbia done and dusted and this would have been doing our business early. Of course we have a bunch of muppets running the club so it was impossible to raise a few million quid in the richest league in the world.
My final Moyes observation is that from being an ardent Moyes supporter the guy is starting to annoy me greatly. I mean that interview with him after the game to me sums him up as one miserable moody git. If you don't want to be here then piss right off. Otherwise roll your sleeves up and try and do what you do best and make a silk purse from a sow's ear. And when you are doing that whilst I am rambling on try and do it with a positive attacking brand of football rather than the crap served up so far.
Moyes still cannot see that Coleman and Rodwell are defenders not midfielders.
Some of Moyes aquisitions for smaller fees have been great but others such as Biley and Fellaini have been ludicrous for the amounts involved.
Everton have to sell to move forward but there now seems to be a lethargy within the club which seems to be sending a message of what you see is what you have to get used to until the big investor comes along. The sad thing is that it hasn't happened long before now.
Are Everton such a poor attraction these days when much less fashionable clubs have managed to get investment?
Are we also to believe that Everton cannot even get a bank loan?
Despite the 3 points yesterday the performances need to improve dramatically if we expect to finish in the top ten.
We need someone who loves burglas and hates pigeons......
But knows where the net is !
10 yrs ago we were a relegation dodging team. Now we consistently finish in the Top 8.
Tom @ 6
Coleman's goals and assists last season justified Moyes playing him as a winger.
I'm glad Osman was there for us to turn to last season - his goals and assists fueled our really good form in the final third of the season.
10 yrs ago we were a relegation dodging team. Now we consistently finish in the Top 8.
Tom @ 6
Coleman's goals and assists last season justified Moyes playing him as a winger.
I'm glad Osman was there for us to turn to last season - his goals and assists fueled our really good form in the final third of the season.
Now, we've borrowed against the money for season 2012-13.
Therefore there will be no signings for cash. Why do you think the papers are coming up with the idea of Bendtner (utter shite) in a PX for Arteta?
If Moyes signs that guy who would make Anichebe look prolific, I will give up. The running joke during the riots was "6 shots fired in London last night. All missed their target. Police are looking for Nicklas Bendtner".
Like i'm not at work tomorrow, what did you expect? FFS!
But still, are you trying to say that big Dunc would be any worse than little or "small" Round would be worse than in terms of attacking football than we are now?
Excuse me mate but even after two bottles of red, and pissed as I am and still know that at this point in time WE ARE SHITE, Could you please explain and tell everyone just how we are going to win the FA cup, the Mickey mouse cup and the League, Why I shouldn't write what I write?
Cant wait for your reply Einstein....
Moyes ? sort it out on the pitch or fuck off.
I'm sick to death of your rubbish.
Has anyone got Joe Royle's number, cos at least we won something. I'm so pissed off... I'm so depressed.
And that TWAT on TalkSport called Quinn, I just want the taxman to study you (you cunt) in major depth. Reason is when I turn the radio on and hear your Redshite voice, I just want to throw up
Appart from that, everything's great and I've just won the lottery.....
Does anyone remember the year we finished 4th? We won games but were utter shite to watch. There were a lot of last minute goals that season that masked some poor performances. Also the game that sticks in my mind was a mid week home game against Norwich. They battered us then that big ginger dope, Gary Doherty, scored an own goal. We won 1 nil. It was horrendous and it was a freezing cold night. We were in no way a top 4 side.
That season we had a shite team with 1 or 2 good players. I'm not saying we'll finish 4th but my only hope is we can somehow grind out results again in the same way we did that season. Yesterday reminded me of that.
I'll be back (Arnie) in about 20 mins.
Everton is on a downward spiral. You only need to understand the past to see the future. There are so many more people that are more eloquent than I (Andy Crooks et al) that can say the state of play than I can. We are in a state of turmoil, and something has to change radically for us to start doing something that will get us to the top.
Look at Man Utd today. I like Man U. always have cos it's my enemies enemy is my friend. But, I saw that game today and thought how far behind utd are we?
It's a sad thought but at the end of the day WE ARE EVERTONIANS and we will be till we die. Having said that, we still have free speech and can tell moyes exactly what we think.
And I say 13 year old kids could put out a better side and use better tactics than you do for a lot less money and still achieve the same results.
COYB (God it's got to change soon)
Felliaini is our best player?
Why we signed him is byond me???
I agree with most that you say but you lost me with Fellaini ? he's great, can't you see that?
Lost all credibility with that remark!
Brilliant stuff Brendan.
EFC are not City, it's clear we have restrictions on what we can afford. Personally I'd rather have 2 players on approx 30k a week rather than a crock. Unfortunately I can see why Moyes wants to keep his best players but sadly I don't think we can. I like Fellaini, you've got me wrong. I just think Moyes trying to hold on to these players means we can't progress.
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