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Just suppose recent transfer talk was correct and we were offered Bendtner and cash for Arteta ? would we be any worse off?

We were also offered Gibson and cash for Rodwell ? would we be any worse off?

We were offered £3 mill for Beckford from Soton and £3 for Anichebe would we be any worse off?

I'd look at it as Bedtner for Beckford - must be a plus... Gibson for Rodwell, the way Rodwell's progress has stalled, is it really that bad of a swap? Anichebe is no miss at all.

So I take it we're down Arteta and really what has he done the last 12 months?

Plus we'd have some cash to keep the bank happy and I am afraid that is the most important thing we need to do to ensure the survival of our club.
John Keating, Liverpool     Posted 28/08/2011 at 15:44:04

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GJ Butler
1   Posted 28/08/2011 at 20:50:52

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Providing the FA reduce the game to 7-a-side then I suppose we'd be no worse off
Nick Entwistle
2   Posted 28/08/2011 at 20:50:52

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I wasn't born to support Utd's B team.
John House
3   Posted 28/08/2011 at 21:18:01

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I think we should break the bank and go all out and pay someone to have Anichebe. It'll be like a new signing.
David Hallwood
4   Posted 28/08/2011 at 21:29:00

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John ? just checking: the Bendtner you mention, is it the same piece of shite that 'plays' (or should that be turns out) for Arsenal and is only slightly better than our Vic? Hope not...
Matt Traynor
5   Posted 28/08/2011 at 21:32:02

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"We were offered £3 mill for Beckford from Soton and £3 for Anichebe would we be any worse off?"

£3 for Anichebe? Snap their hands off....

Bendtner is shite. The only person who thinks he's any good is himself. And he's a not someone who would fit in with the dressing room ethic, whatever that is.
Martin Handley
6   Posted 28/08/2011 at 21:36:24

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John, you're serious, aren't you?

OK £3m for Anichebe ... snap their friggin arm off! £3m for Beckford... erm, top scorer last season... I don't think so. £10M plus Bendtner for Arteta... The cash, yes... Bendtner ? FUCK OFF! Worse than Victor... so yes, we'd be worse off!

As for the Rodwell deal, no frigggin' chance! As another post stated, we're not paying to watch Man Utd's fucking cast-offs.

So, in conclusion, on the whole, yes, we'd be worse off.

Dick Anderson
7   Posted 28/08/2011 at 21:48:51

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Bendtner is the best striker in the world. At least that's his opinion.
Gavin Ramejkis
8   Posted 28/08/2011 at 22:30:52

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The Danish Anichebe? You have to be joking
Chris Matheson
9   Posted 28/08/2011 at 22:56:13

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All interesting speculation John and we may not have much choice as the transfer deadline shuts. We have a thin enough squad as it is and although we need fresh talent I am not sure I want to rely on dipping in to the youth side to top up senior squad numbers.

But let me take issue with one line you write:

"...keep the bank happy and I am afraid that is the most important thing we need to do to ensure the survival of our club. "

Well I reckon the most important thing is for the current chairman to resign that post (he does not have to sell his shareholding) and step aside for someone who has a bit of verve and imagination to develop secure income streams for the club, and set a correct price for a sale.
Dick Fearon
10   Posted 28/08/2011 at 23:03:12

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David # 4, It is impossible for anyone to be only slightly better than our Vic.
Wayne McNee
11   Posted 28/08/2011 at 23:31:26

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Agree & disagree....

Cash & Bendtner. Yes. He did have a good streak early on & a new team might be all he needs. At his worst he's better than Vic who should be sold ASAP.

Arteta is only half the player he was at his peak at EFC & doesn't warrant setting the wage ceiling so high for any greedy bastards coming in.

The other options I disagree with...

Mike Bates
12   Posted 28/08/2011 at 23:50:17

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Just suppose that we had a manager who wasn't tactically bonkers.

Just suppose we had a 25-goal-a-season striker.

Just suppose we had a chairman with bottomless pockets.

Just suppose we had a board with an ounce of business sense.

Just suppose...

Just suppose...

Just suppose...
Thomas Williams
13   Posted 29/08/2011 at 00:09:45

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I have no idea why people rate Bendtner so lowly, he is better than people give him credit for, not as good as he thinks though.

Wenger uses him as a right winger, no wonder he struggles occasionally.

I would want him in our team as he possesses the one thing a striker playing for Everton needs is, the ability to play with his back to goal. Beckford and Johnson before him cannot do that, which is why they struggled at times, also add Beattie to that list. This is why Saha thrives and Yakabu first season, as they can play with their back to goal.

Bendtner would suit our play whether you like the guy or not, until we get a ball playing midfielder who will thread through early balls, Beckford like PJ before him is wasted.

Andrew Edwards
14   Posted 29/08/2011 at 00:26:42

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Bendtner is pure shite.
David Barks
15   Posted 29/08/2011 at 00:27:43

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Bendtner is not the shit striker some of you are making him out to be. It's funny, I remember getting in a discussion with people on here last season about the type of quality signings City can make and why they will be title contenders this season. I was slammed for mentioning Dzeko, with some saying he's shown how worthless he is. The guy is only scoring for fun to start this season, including 4 today. Bendtner is a quality striker, he's just clashed with Wenger over not being played up front and being stuck on the wing because Wenger always sticks with a 4-5-1. Wait, who does that sound like? Bendtner is a good player who would instantly improve us up front. And by the way, many on United's B team would easily be improvements on our team. Like it or not people, in reality, the likes of City and United have a second team that is better than many in the Prem, including us. Stop living in the 80's.
Paul Holmes
16   Posted 29/08/2011 at 00:29:24

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Any player is an improvement on the players who played against QPR and Blackburn. Keep Baines and Howard, the rest can go and make way for new blood to kick start the apathy of players and fans surrounding the club. Arteta is not the same player and is the top earner at the club on a 5-year deal! Sell, sell, sell!
Marcus Kendall
17   Posted 29/08/2011 at 00:47:27

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Hear, hear! Watch Bendtner for Denmark and he's a completely different animal, VERY talented.
Mike Green
18   Posted 29/08/2011 at 00:47:55

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Bendtner In; Arteta Out!

Cuckoo... Cuckoo.....
David Barks
19   Posted 29/08/2011 at 01:31:30

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I don't want Arteta to go either. He's still a very talented player coming off of serious injuries. He just needs a bit more time to get his fitness levels up. If we're going to sell anyone it should be Jagielka to Arsenal for as much as we can get. If it's some cash that will go to the debt fine. Get the banks off of our backs and let Distin and Heitinga partner in the middle with a couple of the youngsters we have provided back up. The last thing we need to do with Coleman and Gueye already out injured is sell one of our only remaining creative midfielders.
Thomas Williams
20   Posted 29/08/2011 at 03:51:59

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David Barks, Arteta creative? When was the last time he played a defence splitting pass? Can he take a corner? Free-Kick?

We all on here loved Arteta but his last 2 years of going sideways and back plus his deadball skills have deteriorated beyond all reason. I think he is finished injuries have taken their toll, you can add Yakabu, Jagielka, Cahill and Saha to that list.

We need to raise money and to freshen the squad and also sort out the banks, getting rid of them 5 would help enormously, but it should have been done in May-July, not 2-3 days before window closes. One or more I feel will be gone before Wednesday.

James Stewart
21   Posted 29/08/2011 at 05:03:41

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Bendtner and Gibson are both shite why on earth would we want to spend any little cash we have on paying wages to them?!

Arteta is in a different league to those muppets.
Mark McDonald
22   Posted 29/08/2011 at 06:24:58

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If Moyes is still keen to add a wide midfielder/winger to the squad, I wonder what others think of the Chilean winger, Jean Beausejour?

He is 26, a current international, has World Cup and Copa America as well as Premier League experience. He is at Birmingham City who have a few financial troubles of their own. He even scored at Goodison last season. He has pace, is creative and chips in with the odd goal. Even a loan deal woud be nice.

Derek Thomas
23   Posted 29/08/2011 at 07:21:30

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Mark McD...any deal would be nice.

David B. If we can't live in the 80's can I live in the 60's then.

The music was better, so was the beer, and cheaper.

'IF' any deals are done, Moyes would no doubt like a portion of it in the form of items Bill can't pass to the Bank, do not pass go do not collect 200: players fit the bill, maybe hence the rash of ( well 2 ) proposed cash and player deals.
David Holroyd
24   Posted 29/08/2011 at 08:37:27

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It looks as if the bank is closing in . If we sell anyone for money it will be swallowed up by the banks swop deals may be the way to go.People are saying Bendtner is crap but he would not play for Wenger if he dosnt have something, but he appears to be fitter than our strikers. Yakubu seams to be prepared to sit out the rest of his contract Moyes needs to somehow get him playing hes picking up best part of 40,000 grand a week for sitting on his arse.
Clive Lewis
25   Posted 29/08/2011 at 09:21:27

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Gibson is terrible dont do it.
Lori Fekete
26   Posted 29/08/2011 at 09:06:02

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Mark#22 are you his fucking agent?

If we're going go swap anyone at Arsenal, I'd have Arshavin. He's lost his way the couple of years and needs a fresh start, and would finally replace Pienaar. Doesn't solve the striker situation though.

I think we could replace anyone at the moment apart from Baines, if we sell him we're proper fucked.
Clive Lewis
27   Posted 29/08/2011 at 09:22:02

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In terms of the Yak, the way I understand it Moyes has kept him on becuase the Catering department has confirmed that he has has ordered 40,000 pies priced at 1 pound each. So it seems we are not going to lose after all.
Jon Cox
28   Posted 29/08/2011 at 09:18:57

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Sell Jags to Asenal for cash and Bendtner. Give the cash to the bank and put Johnny where he should be, in the back four.

The guy's a Dutch international he can't be that bad, let him prove it.

Since Moyes hates wingers let him go for a 4-3-3. With the big fella in the centre of the first three and Bendtner as the striker in the top three, then since we have an abundant amount of central midfielders the permutations could be endless.

Wish we had pacey wingers though, in the Limpar/Kanchelskis mold, because after a great striker, wingers are always the most entertaining players on a football pitch

COYB
Chad Schofield
29   Posted 29/08/2011 at 09:58:52

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Arseshavin wouldn't come to us because of wages... He was already whining at Arsenal when he looked very good, because of the UK's tax.

I've berated Bentdner and given his ego ("if he was half as good as he thinks he is, he'd be a Premier League player"), no sure if he'd come... But he could bring something better than Vic.
Mark Browne
30   Posted 29/08/2011 at 10:28:11

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Checking Bendtners stats, 205 games 58 goals, that is 1 in 4 for a player that doesnt play often, compared with Vics, 13 goals in 119 games. Plus, since Arteta's injury how many games as he influenced. Remember, the club is bigger than any individual player, and if we have had the best from Arteta, which in my opinion, I think we have, I would snap Wengers offer of cash plus Bendtner. Also note that Bendtner is the same age as Anichebe, 23 years, so we swap a 29 year old possible stale player for a young, and hopefully hungry player, who is looking for a fresh start to his career. Plus his wages would be less than Artetas, so this helps our wage bill.
Mark Murphy
31   Posted 29/08/2011 at 10:36:51

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I think we need a shuffle and some changes yes, and I wouldnt be dismayed with any of the above but my problem is that none of the Blackburn or QPR elevens that we played lately would get in either of the 11 that we played against them so i can only conclude its the manager we need to change, not the team!

Moyes is either sulking or incapable and neither is acceptable.

sorry, but sadly, Moyes is no longer the messiah!
Nelly Verdonghan
32   Posted 29/08/2011 at 10:53:33

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Bendtner is SHITE !!....thats why Arsenal want shut....FUCKIN RUBBISH !!
Jon Cox
33   Posted 29/08/2011 at 11:33:38

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So, Bendtner is worse than Anichebe?

Mmmm, now theres food for thought.
Guy Hastings
34   Posted 29/08/2011 at 11:39:03

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Have to agree with #s13, 15 and 30 - I'd have him like a shot.
Jim Feeney
35   Posted 29/08/2011 at 13:07:50

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For all the soundbites that he doesn't want to leave, Jagielka's performances in the first two games have been shocking. For me I think he has shown that he is too easily bullied by a physical centre forward and I'd be inclined to have taken the money for him.
Steve Abraham
36   Posted 29/08/2011 at 13:46:42

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Bendtner is not shite. He's a good young centre forward who scores goals. Better than what we have including King Louis. Previous posts confirm that he had a fall out with Wenger and was played on the wing. I'd swap him for Arteta, who was fantastic for us a few years ago, but will never get back to that level again. I'd swap him for the Jag, too. Again, see previous post re Johnny H. Any swap to include cash, of course.
Jon Cox
37   Posted 29/08/2011 at 14:00:24

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Steve (36) i'd go along with that. Many wont agree. I'd go one step further in saying we have a ready made replacement for him. Step forward Bily and the start of a new team. He was always destined to play in the middle and become our playmaker.

Just like Bendtner playing shite on the wing for Arsenal, Bily has been played out of position for us making him appear shite as well.
Terry Downes
38   Posted 29/08/2011 at 14:27:30

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It doesnt matter what Moyes says, according to my simple mathematics we have got to become a selling club:

1) £30-40 mill coming in from Sky ? nearly all that goes in overheads, ie, players wages etc, 2) No other money worthy of any note (millions) generated by EFC itself every year, if that's correct, it's not hard to see why the banks are thinking "Mmm... bit dodgy here."

So, if those simple sums are right or even nearly right, then surely we have to become a selling club in order to survive?

Or have I missed something??

Sean McCarthy
39   Posted 29/08/2011 at 14:28:54

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Terry you've missed nothing. Moyes can say all he likes to the press but simple fact is that we are a selling club and have been since Rooney. We will sell our best young players in order to pacify banks and maybe bring in cheap replacements as well as produce another Rooney, Rodwell, Barkley etc.

Bigger or richer clubs will look at our better players and see we are ripe for picking. So the likes of Baines Arteta and Jags become targets and ultimately money talks and we don't have any. So our better players will leave and the ones no-one wants because of age or ability will stay behind

Clive Lewis
40   Posted 29/08/2011 at 14:42:32

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Would it be that bad if we sold Jagielka and purchased a replacement and a striker? Give the banks half.

If I was Moyes he needs to look at the likes of Soul Bamba of Leicester, as a replacement.

Steve Cotton
41   Posted 29/08/2011 at 14:43:02

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Does anyone think that the Yobo deal will go thru too late on the last day to be of any use to us?

Now don't get me wrong ? the money will have to go to the bank, but if BK leaves it as late as possible then he will save £40k a week on wages without a replacement. If Yobo is sold any earlier, we will all be screaming for a loan signing; this way he saves money both ways. Same probably for the Yak... particularly as neither seem to be anywhere near the first team squad... I could be wrong but watch this space.

Meanwhile, the Reds are expected to bring in another big name after this Coates guy probably taking their spending to best part of £130 mill...

Rob Murphy
42   Posted 29/08/2011 at 16:46:48

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Just supppose your wife had a pair of balls ... suppose then she must be your husband ... Suppose suppose suppose ...
Tony Gee
43   Posted 29/08/2011 at 21:33:02

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Paul McStay seen at Finch Farm... Fingers crossed.
Dennis Garlden
44   Posted 31/08/2011 at 05:48:21

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Fellow Evertonians, I've been thinking long and hard about this, and I feel that if David Moyes was smart, he'd sell Phil Jagielka for £20M to Arsenal.

Hear me out.... Jags is a gun, no doubt, but so is Distin, and even Heitinga in the same position. In fact Heitinga can actually pass the ball out of defence. As cover, we could have Rodwell, who was supposed to be a centre-half anyhow.

So, even if, worst-case scenario, the bank take half, we still have two quality centre backs, one or two potentially quality youngsters as cover, and potentially £10M to spend on new players in January.

Sorry... overuse of the word 'potentially'... but do you get my drift? Surely that would be smart business for a club short on funds?

Just a thought.....

Joey Brown
45   Posted 31/08/2011 at 05:49:11

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So we're linked to Drenthe for a loan move. Probably won't happen but let's say it does. So then we've got leftback/ leftwing cover (maybe a starter).

With Yobo and Yak back in the fray maybe we can give them some playing time this season to increase their selling value.

This with the announcement of these investment deals kind of has me thinking it really isn't all that bad. Get a loan or two in to give the lads a boost and get on with it.

I'd still prefer a fire sale for my vote but I realize that sometimes that destroys your team, as the players don't like the idea of rebuilding if it means the chance that they can't compete now. So for me... if we get a few loans in... It'll be good enough.

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