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Just suppose...
Just suppose recent transfer talk was correct and we were offered Bendtner and cash for Arteta ? would we be any worse off?
We were also offered Gibson and cash for Rodwell ? would we be any worse off?
We were offered £3 mill for Beckford from Soton and £3 for Anichebe would we be any worse off?
I'd look at it as Bedtner for Beckford - must be a plus... Gibson for Rodwell, the way Rodwell's progress has stalled, is it really that bad of a swap? Anichebe is no miss at all.
So I take it we're down Arteta and really what has he done the last 12 months?
Plus we'd have some cash to keep the bank happy and I am afraid that is the most important thing we need to do to ensure the survival of our club.
John Keating, Posted 28/08/2011 at 15:44:04
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£3 for Anichebe? Snap their hands off....
Bendtner is shite. The only person who thinks he's any good is himself. And he's a not someone who would fit in with the dressing room ethic, whatever that is.
OK £3m for Anichebe ... snap their friggin arm off! £3m for Beckford... erm, top scorer last season... I don't think so. £10M plus Bendtner for Arteta... The cash, yes... Bendtner ? FUCK OFF! Worse than Victor... so yes, we'd be worse off!
As for the Rodwell deal, no frigggin' chance! As another post stated, we're not paying to watch Man Utd's fucking cast-offs.
So, in conclusion, on the whole, yes, we'd be worse off.
But let me take issue with one line you write:
"...keep the bank happy and I am afraid that is the most important thing we need to do to ensure the survival of our club. "
Well I reckon the most important thing is for the current chairman to resign that post (he does not have to sell his shareholding) and step aside for someone who has a bit of verve and imagination to develop secure income streams for the club, and set a correct price for a sale.
Cash & Bendtner. Yes. He did have a good streak early on & a new team might be all he needs. At his worst he's better than Vic who should be sold ASAP.
Arteta is only half the player he was at his peak at EFC & doesn't warrant setting the wage ceiling so high for any greedy bastards coming in.
The other options I disagree with...
Just suppose we had a 25-goal-a-season striker.
Just suppose we had a chairman with bottomless pockets.
Just suppose we had a board with an ounce of business sense.
Just suppose...
Just suppose...
Just suppose...
Wenger uses him as a right winger, no wonder he struggles occasionally.
I would want him in our team as he possesses the one thing a striker playing for Everton needs is, the ability to play with his back to goal. Beckford and Johnson before him cannot do that, which is why they struggled at times, also add Beattie to that list. This is why Saha thrives and Yakabu first season, as they can play with their back to goal.
Bendtner would suit our play whether you like the guy or not, until we get a ball playing midfielder who will thread through early balls, Beckford like PJ before him is wasted.
Cuckoo... Cuckoo.....
We all on here loved Arteta but his last 2 years of going sideways and back plus his deadball skills have deteriorated beyond all reason. I think he is finished injuries have taken their toll, you can add Yakabu, Jagielka, Cahill and Saha to that list.
We need to raise money and to freshen the squad and also sort out the banks, getting rid of them 5 would help enormously, but it should have been done in May-July, not 2-3 days before window closes. One or more I feel will be gone before Wednesday.
Arteta is in a different league to those muppets.
He is 26, a current international, has World Cup and Copa America as well as Premier League experience. He is at Birmingham City who have a few financial troubles of their own. He even scored at Goodison last season. He has pace, is creative and chips in with the odd goal. Even a loan deal woud be nice.
David B. If we can't live in the 80's can I live in the 60's then.
The music was better, so was the beer, and cheaper.
'IF' any deals are done, Moyes would no doubt like a portion of it in the form of items Bill can't pass to the Bank, do not pass go do not collect 200: players fit the bill, maybe hence the rash of ( well 2 ) proposed cash and player deals.
If we're going go swap anyone at Arsenal, I'd have Arshavin. He's lost his way the couple of years and needs a fresh start, and would finally replace Pienaar. Doesn't solve the striker situation though.
I think we could replace anyone at the moment apart from Baines, if we sell him we're proper fucked.
The guy's a Dutch international he can't be that bad, let him prove it.
Since Moyes hates wingers let him go for a 4-3-3. With the big fella in the centre of the first three and Bendtner as the striker in the top three, then since we have an abundant amount of central midfielders the permutations could be endless.
Wish we had pacey wingers though, in the Limpar/Kanchelskis mold, because after a great striker, wingers are always the most entertaining players on a football pitch
COYB
I've berated Bentdner and given his ego ("if he was half as good as he thinks he is, he'd be a Premier League player"), no sure if he'd come... But he could bring something better than Vic.
Moyes is either sulking or incapable and neither is acceptable.
sorry, but sadly, Moyes is no longer the messiah!
Mmmm, now theres food for thought.
Just like Bendtner playing shite on the wing for Arsenal, Bily has been played out of position for us making him appear shite as well.
1) £30-40 mill coming in from Sky ? nearly all that goes in overheads, ie, players wages etc, 2) No other money worthy of any note (millions) generated by EFC itself every year, if that's correct, it's not hard to see why the banks are thinking "Mmm... bit dodgy here."
So, if those simple sums are right or even nearly right, then surely we have to become a selling club in order to survive?
Or have I missed something??
Bigger or richer clubs will look at our better players and see we are ripe for picking. So the likes of Baines Arteta and Jags become targets and ultimately money talks and we don't have any. So our better players will leave and the ones no-one wants because of age or ability will stay behind
If I was Moyes he needs to look at the likes of Soul Bamba of Leicester, as a replacement.
Now don't get me wrong ? the money will have to go to the bank, but if BK leaves it as late as possible then he will save £40k a week on wages without a replacement. If Yobo is sold any earlier, we will all be screaming for a loan signing; this way he saves money both ways. Same probably for the Yak... particularly as neither seem to be anywhere near the first team squad... I could be wrong but watch this space.
Meanwhile, the Reds are expected to bring in another big name after this Coates guy probably taking their spending to best part of £130 mill...
Hear me out.... Jags is a gun, no doubt, but so is Distin, and even Heitinga in the same position. In fact Heitinga can actually pass the ball out of defence. As cover, we could have Rodwell, who was supposed to be a centre-half anyhow.
So, even if, worst-case scenario, the bank take half, we still have two quality centre backs, one or two potentially quality youngsters as cover, and potentially £10M to spend on new players in January.
Sorry... overuse of the word 'potentially'... but do you get my drift? Surely that would be smart business for a club short on funds?
Just a thought.....
With Yobo and Yak back in the fray maybe we can give them some playing time this season to increase their selling value.
This with the announcement of these investment deals kind of has me thinking it really isn't all that bad. Get a loan or two in to give the lads a boost and get on with it.
I'd still prefer a fire sale for my vote but I realize that sometimes that destroys your team, as the players don't like the idea of rebuilding if it means the chance that they can't compete now. So for me... if we get a few loans in... It'll be good enough.
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