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I was amazed – and somewhat frustrated – to see Jo coming on as a substitute for Brazil in the opening game of the Confederations Cup against Japan and scoring an absolutely sublime goal.

I always liked Jo. When he started off his short Everton career with two goals, I thought, "Happy Days Are Here Again!"

However, I never thought Moyes gave him a chance to settle into the Premier League properly and just do his job. When he was sent back to City over a disciplinary infraction – spending unauthorized time in Brazil with his family – I thought it was an excuse.

If he had been shown half the patience that has been shown to Anichebe I think we would have had a great striker on our hands today instead of an incompetent. Good enough to be playing for Brazil, anyway...

Peter Fearon, Liverpool     Posted 16/06/2013 at 13:39:14

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Mick Wrende
128 Posted 16/06/2013 at 16:10:41
No striker ever flourished under Moyes so Jo had no chance. Thank heavens the dour Scot has gone so Jelavic can bang them in again. How relieved he must feel.
Ross Edwards
129 Posted 16/06/2013 at 16:12:22
He's only playing for Brazil in the Confed Cup because Leandro Demiao is injured. One person to blame for Jo's failure at GP, Mr Moyes. Watch Van Persie and his goal ratio plummet next season.
Eric Myles
141 Posted 16/06/2013 at 16:27:07
If Jo was that good would City have loaned him to us in the first place?

And then when he went back wouldn't they have kept him?

Danny Broderick
142 Posted 16/06/2013 at 16:28:58
I thought he was crap with us to be honest. I also thought he was crap at City. I am more amazed at the dearth of strikers Brazil have got, if he is getting in the squad!
Peter Truin
158 Posted 16/06/2013 at 17:16:46
Sorry Peter I just don't agree

Jo is one of the most un-natural players ive seen at Everton

no pace even less skill and a goal per game ratio Tony Hibbert could beat

Peter Warren
161 Posted 16/06/2013 at 17:26:51
I thought he was one of the worst players to ever wear our shirt and symptomatic of Moyes reign was I recall a decision to suddenly play him in a derby. A truly awful player.
Dick Brady
184 Posted 16/06/2013 at 18:12:14
This post made me laugh. Jo was absolute garbage. Bambi on ice. No skill, no pace and no bloody goals.

The only thing Moyes did wrong was loan him a second time.

Al Philby
188 Posted 16/06/2013 at 18:21:18
Jo is still only 26? His time here seems like ages ago.
James Marshall
253 Posted 16/06/2013 at 20:53:24
I was as surprised as anyone to see him come on.....and score for Brazil yesterday too. He's played 29 and scored 10 for Atletico Mineiro this season so not playing too badly.

Brazilians playing in the Premier League have been few & far between, especially with any success - and of those that have settled well, barely any strikers so it was so real surprise he struggled. Very young at the time too.

Good luck to him. He wasn't great for us but he tried hard even if it never quite came off for us - his first ever goal for Brazil yesterday and at the Maracana too so I don't suppose he's too unhappy with his lot these days.

Rob Dolby
272 Posted 16/06/2013 at 21:56:19
The boy from Breeze Hill wasn't up to the Prem no matter how good a sub he is for Brazil. Let's face it, their current striker Fred wouldn't get in our team ahead of an out-of-form Jelavic.
Andy Crooks
292 Posted 17/06/2013 at 00:18:03
I defended Jo on here quite a bit. Wrongly, as it turned out. Moyes was right to get rid of him but, as in many cases, different coaches, different approaches get different results.
Ben Jones
305 Posted 17/06/2013 at 02:27:54
I will never forget his debut, 2 goals vs Bolton, with one touch of pure Brazilian class.

But sadly he didn't really flourish under Moyes. Got nothing against him, did try at least, but with his potential, he could have been a lot better.

Steve Brown
312 Posted 17/06/2013 at 06:18:12
Jo was the reason for Jo's failure at GP, same for the Yak. Good when they could be arsed, crap when they couldn't.
Andrew Ellams
317 Posted 17/06/2013 at 09:13:34
If he has been that good we wouldn't have had the money that City would have asked for him anyway
Richard Dodd
318 Posted 17/06/2013 at 09:35:46
Never rated Jo and don`t think he was ill-served by Moyes. Most of the time he just didn`t look arsed and was the same at City.< >It is, however, true that few strikers thrived under Moyes but perhaps they weren't very good in the first place? It will be interesting to see if, with a more attack-minded manager, Jelavic can again thrive. Somehow, I have me doubts.
Steve King
320 Posted 17/06/2013 at 09:49:11
Mr Moyes is gone, can we please stop debating over whether he does or doesn't ruin strikers and concentrate on what the new man can do?

Oh and Jo was crap by the way!! We dodged a bullet when City out bid us for him in the first place, they can afford that sort of financial mistake, we certainly couldn't have! Absolutely no regrets when it comes to his departure.

Steve Carter
322 Posted 17/06/2013 at 10:10:30
Turn it up Dick. Jo was absolute dogshit for both us and Man City. You can't blame Moyes this time.
Mike Rourke
323 Posted 17/06/2013 at 10:26:29
When Jo kicked the ball I'm surprised it moved, what a weedy, useless, pile of shite he was.

That he is somehow in the Brazilian national team probably tells you all you need to know about their chances next year.

Ste Traverse
335 Posted 17/06/2013 at 12:40:39
Jo-ke. Christ, I'd forgot all about him.

Wish he'd have stayed forgotten.

John Crook
337 Posted 17/06/2013 at 13:07:20
I remember comments from Phil Neville regarding Jo. Phil was remarking that Moyes said he had been to see a player several time and the player was "unbelievable" and had "a bit of everything".

I would pit him in a similar category to Bily in what I would call a training ground player. Probably shit hot with next to effort but can't handle the rough and tumble high speed tempo of a real physical Premier League game.

Peter Fearon
360 Posted 17/06/2013 at 15:22:48
Mike, Ste, Steve and others... Isn't that precisely the point? That within a few months we were getting frustrated with Jo and he looked second rate yet it's undeniable he had talent.

He is playing for Brazil, scoring for them, and looked confident and sharp for the time he was on the pitch. Surely what that says is that when he was here he wasn't being handled correctly.

Jelavic was banging them in and now he isn't. Does that mean he is dogshit? No. It means something is going wrong with his game which needs to be coached out, whether its mechanics or tactics or fitness issues or personal.

We didn't persist with Jo, we dropped Jelavic to the bench and yet we persist with a player who has done nothing but disappoint for season after season. I would rather have worked on developing someone like Jo who clearly had potential and possibly have a consistent striker.

Yakubu had very different problems. He was at least five years older than he claimed to be and became fat and lazy.

Steve King
364 Posted 17/06/2013 at 15:57:46
Peter: "I would rather have worked on developing someone like Jo who clearly had potential and possibly have a consistent striker. "

The guy was earning at least £80k a week at Man City, and would have cost in excess of £10 million to make the move permanent!! His performances for us were utter shite so why would we ant to spend that on him because there was potential he could possibly be consistent??

A quick search on Wikipedia shows that he's only scored 12 goals in 45 games since leaving Man City permanently. That's a goal every 3.75 games.

Sorry mate but, despite a bright 5-10 minutes for Brazil the other night, he's just shite!

Tony J Williams
371 Posted 17/06/2013 at 16:15:13
He was shite and I was surprised he had enough strength to warm up, fecking weedy fella with a more powder puff shot than Ossie.

Shall we look at every loan deal we had? He was cack and a set up goal by Oscar will not change my view of the waste of space.

Moyes has gone, why are we still debating whether or not he destroyed strikers, most of which were mediocre to start with

Mark Knight
374 Posted 17/06/2013 at 16:41:36
Whatever happened to Stefan Wessels.??
Tom Owen
380 Posted 17/06/2013 at 17:42:32
What ever happened about the lad from Azerbaijan ? Anyone know please
Al Philby
382 Posted 17/06/2013 at 17:52:29
Tom, I think he left.

"Neftci Baku midfielder Araz Abdullayev struck and killed a road cleaner on one of Baku’s busiest downtown thoroughfares while driving to the club’s training base on Thursday, according to an Azeri news agency.

A second cleaner was injured and remains in critical condition at a Baku hospital after Abdullayev ran into the pair with his Nissan Z350, APA Sport reported. Earlier, APA reported Abdullayev was driving a Porsche Cayenne.

There was no word on whether the 20-year-old had been detained.

The Baku native, who has three caps for the Azerbaijan national team, has scored four goals in 20 league games this season.

He made five appearances in the club's first-ever European campaign this season in the Europa League, mainly as a substitute.

Abdullayev signed with Everton of the English Premier League in 2011, but never made a senior appearance."

Phil Sammon
386 Posted 17/06/2013 at 18:17:16
Bloody hell!

I didn't see that announcement from the club!

Mark Knight
387 Posted 17/06/2013 at 18:18:50
Nigeria v Tahiti anyone??
Ged Simpson
388 Posted 17/06/2013 at 18:19:16
Moyes out - blah blah blah
Tom Owen
393 Posted 17/06/2013 at 18:52:26
Thanks Al
Strange one that.
Al Philby
396 Posted 17/06/2013 at 19:11:01
Having seen some of his clips on youtube, I must say that he comes across as an exciting player, with a style of play reminiscent of Ronaldo. But he also looks like a rather stuck-up fella. Maybe he was sent home because of attitude problems à la Drenthe?
Dick Fearon
466 Posted 17/06/2013 at 22:53:44
A Jo related comment at the time ' all the brazilians in the world and we ended up with the only one who couldn't dribble'
Ray Roche
469 Posted 17/06/2013 at 23:07:27
Dick, the other comical comments, "He couldn't trap his fingers in a door" and the old evergreen, "He couldn't trap a bag of cement".
Nick Parker
534 Posted 18/06/2013 at 10:55:19
Proof again that Moyes cannot deal with strikers and ruins or falls out with them all (see Beattie, Johnson, Jelavic, Rooney, Yakubu etc etc).

RVP to score no more than 12 goals next season... Just a thought!

Shaun Brennan
538 Posted 18/06/2013 at 11:48:12
Jo was plain shite and looked like he was on crack. Nothing to do with Moyes.
Jack Molloy
563 Posted 18/06/2013 at 13:46:50
The OP makes a significant point. So many strikers have come to Everton and ultimately failed. One possibility is that they were not as good as we thought they were to begin with – like Beckford, Beattie and others. Sometimes players are asked to step outside their comfort zones and don't adjust to new roles or styles and I think Jelavic is suffering from that. Maybe Moyes's departure will give him a lift.

It's more frustrating when a player who is talented fails here and flourishes elsewhere. Jo is definitely in that category. The Jo of today is not the same player as the one who some on this thread are ridiculing so mercilessly and you just show your ignorance when you say he can't dribble or trap a ball or worse. Unskilled players don't make it into the Brazilian squad — even as bench fodder.

Andrew Laird
713 Posted 18/06/2013 at 23:49:32
I don't think Jo can be used to beat Mr 'greater things' with, unless you relate it to him being signed in the first place. Dick Brady #184 says it all.
Jack Molloy
972 Posted 19/06/2013 at 22:27:53
Incidentally, Jo, on again for Fred, just scored another cracker against Mexico after great work by Neymar. Not bad for someone who supposedly can't dribble, shoot, tie his boots or trap his fingers in a door. I'd take one Jo over two Anichebes any day of the week.
Ray Roche
989 Posted 19/06/2013 at 23:33:02
Jack, it's not ignorance repeating on a humorous comment said about many different players over the years. Jo may have scored for Brazil but he was gash when he was with us.
Jack Molloy
096 Posted 20/06/2013 at 16:44:36
Ray, no-one is claiming Jo was a success when he was with us. That is the whole point. Why does a player who fails with us flourish elsewhere and vice versa? It's an important question. And most of the negative comments about Jo were not humorous nor were they intended to be. I'll tell you what else is not funny: Anichebe's incorrigible incompetence in front of goal. 26 appearances. 6 goals. That's one of the reasons we aren't in Europe next season. Make a comical comment about that.

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