Rangnick enters managerial frame

Maybe some of our German based toffeeWebbers can give a more informed opinion.

"But in May 2013 Ralf returned to management, signing a 2 year deal with Everton. His first major decision at Goodison was to get rid of the snide Chang served in the stadium, replacing it with Strawberry lager".

We should put the manager hunt on hold and make signing up the FC Red Bull marketing department as our number one priority!

Based on knowledge and experience of the Premier League, based on footballing philosophy and based on experience of loyalty and long term planning with previous club (we're used to it here now, and probably take it for granted even) I pick Martinez.

It's a risk. But appointing any of them will be.

The only down side would be an internal appointment, which would make you wonder wtf was all the trouble for.

With this news and that of Bilic It would also seem to indicate that various media sources really haven't got a clue about what is going on given who they said was being interviewed last week! Another week or so isn't going to make too much difference if it means considering all of the options properly and making the right decision. Fingers crossed he appoints the best manager for the job.

Wait for it, wait for it............

That sounds like an absolutely fascinating read.

On Rangnick, an interesting option put forth by a friend on Twitter would be Rangnick as Director of Football as Vitor Pereira is rumoured to prefer that structure.

http://footyscene.com/everton-a-vision-for-the-future/#more-2837

Does anyone else find it a little bit strange the the business plan seemed to be 'let's see what happens' when Moyes says adios. Surely even bungling Bill must have had an inkling Moyes was going to leave, when he wouldn't sign a lucrative new contract. The trouble here is, Bill is also working full time on his theatre projects, and our CEO can't even get a fecking badge re-design right.

I know tiny tears is treating this like an audition for one of his shows, and he has put this board together, but I find it staggering that we are so bereft of talented employees at the club.

Interviewing our backroom staff tells me all I need to know, they really didn't have a jar of glue who they wanted for the job.

This is the most important position at the club, and tiny tears knows a lot is riding on getting the right man in, his position at the club for a start, and the millions at stake. I just find it astonishing there are so many candidates, when he must have known Moyes was off.

"According to an article I read today Chang are better known for their bottled water than their beer in Thailand"

What are they better known for here, cat's piss?

It also looks like BK cannot trust his highly paid staff to oversee the single most important decision since he took over the club, obviously his partners on the board can't be bothered with the day to day or even the most important decisions a strange club are Everton at the moment.

Let's all hope that the right man is appointed whoever it may be.

I would love to think that Bill was seriously considering options like this. I still feel it will boil down to Martinez vs Internal Appointment though.

Would love for Bill to surprise us all and pull some kind of mega-visionary rabbit out of the hat!

Would Jose Mourhino need an interview? How about Pep Guardiola or any of the other top coaches around? No, they wouldn't and no chairman worth his salt would try to put a man he wanted through the humiliation. BK should know the credentials of the man he is pursuing. Asking questions to a complete stranger about the future and direction of our club is well scarey. Kenwright should know all he needs to before the candidate walks through the door..It's not hard is it?

Those of you saying it's BK being careful and making a considered decision haven't a clue. This is all about BK not having a clue and not having the arse to appoint someone so he is fart-arseing about. Has anyone ever know such a drawn out long-winded load of bollocks like this at any other PL Club when signing a new manager up? Interviews, my arse.

.FFS give someone the job and stop waiting for Pip to give us an answer. I would love to see the look on some of your mugs if it does end up an inside job after all this BK back-slapping... Whole shambles is a joke I just wish you could all see it.

Somewhere along the lines of 'Don't blame me, I listened to the fans, and we interviewed 12 candidates, and brought them back for second interviews.'

After all the mud that has been flung his way, maybe he is trying to show some sort of ultra due diligence towards his decision on a new manager. Can't blame him for that I suppose, but at the end of the day, he has most to lose from any shambolic decision at this point.

Health reasons aka the boss got sick of him

Or I couldn't stay after what he said to me, what was that? If you don't leave I'm giong to sack you.

Andrew Ellams # 252 nearly but not quite, seems the perfect Moyes replacement then. But with a bit of attacking football thrown in as a bonus, which is all this MOB vet ever really wanted.

For the record though here's why an interview might be useful. A prospective manager such as Martinez might feel that with the current state of affairs (financially) at Everton, that a top 10 finish is all that can be expected but with the bonus of good football.
An ambitious manager might say fuck that and rule him out.

Mr. Perreira's lack of English may make a certain chairman think that it might just be too big of a problem.

I just wish some of you mugs could wake up and see that what I'm saying is fact an blah blah blah............

Some can say "I was at comedy store the night Alexi Sayle compared for the first time"

Others can say "I remember the first episode of 'That Was The Week That Was'"

We'll be able to say "I was on TW the day...."

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/vitor-pereira-perfect-fit-everton-3817219

IMO Martinez was a done deal months ago and Bill is now dragging it out so he can save wages and put any incoming transfers off until it's too late to do anything while conning the supporters and media that it's a really well thought out process..

Sorry about the cynicism but it's form for Kenwright.

I really hope he uses his head over what makes him feel fluffy inside ... for once.

There are so many of us who DO NOT WANT MARTINEZ.

Oh, we're in the Championship, but how we've loved it watching free flowing, attractive, attacking football every weekend; what a change after 11 years of Moyes!

100 per cent bollocks.

Oh, by the way, we were apparently on an even keel and level playing field with Wigan these last 5 years or so, and so Martinez, if he were to join us, would have at his disposal

same sponds
similar squad
similar fan-base
similar tradition
similar size

Utter unadulterated bollocks Mr. Carter

There is a similarity with him and Pereira, they bout played their football at amateur level. If we should put something into this, if you stink as a player, it makes you a successful coach.

So let's have one of them, or both or whatever, but not Martinez please.

We will not thrive by working on the principle that we'll score more than we concede, irrespective of how many we concede. We're not good enough - and nor were Wigan.

Martinez does not have a long-term vision either - pace his abandonment of Wigan. He's a fairweather friend. Not for us.

Chang has the leading market share of beer sales in Thailand, around 49% of beer sold is Chang, down 6% on last year.

Their main competitor Singha, has more of the market share of water sales as not many places sell Chang water.

The managerial merry-go-round would probably be a lot less ridiculous if owners did spend a little more time interviewing several candidates, discussing in depth their ideas and visions for the club and how they'd go about implementing them, instead of the "that's our man, let's appoint him and announce it immediately" approach.

It's about the only business I can think of where the norm is to hand out top executive roles without an in-depth search and interview process.

You would have more of a point if you were not mentioning the most overrated manager on here (slavan Bilic) as a possible alternative. His name being nowhere near the Everton job is surely one thing we can all agree on both for his playing and managerial records?

More worried about him leaving a club on a point of principle i.e. when star player sold to rival. How many times would he have legged it if at Everton over the past ten years....

As you say,Bill has done a real `production job` on this one,being seen `to consult`,doorstep interviews,throwaway quotes et al,but was always intending to go for Martinez-that`s unless Whelan`s demands spike the deal.

Meanwhile,back in Formby,Alan Stubbs waits patiently...........

I seriously hope Tony was kidding.

No idea.

I, personally, am very happy to hear three 'proven' managers are in the frame, instead of the possibility of a promotion from within the club, one of the recent British failures (O'Neil or the now appointed Mark Hughes...no idea how he keeps getting jobs), or Lennon. Although I'm not really sure who I prefer...I think Martinez is likely, and I won't be wholly displeased with him. He set up a great philosophy at Swansea, and did great in two month bursts at Wigan...but Wigan's defensive failures were not acceptable...nor was his inability to motivate them for most of the season. Pereira is relatively untested...he did ok in European competition, but no more than ok, and I don't consider winning the league with Porto to be necessarily the best qualification for managing Everton. And this new guy...he has been sacked and resigned a few times... he did well with Schalke, but I'm not sure I really see him as a long term successor. My money is on Martinez personally.

This is a massive decision for us, we need a long term appointment with a good vision for the future, who would fit in with the club. I have read a lot of your posts and find you talk a lot of sense, but I would have to disagree this time.

Martinez is still favourite by the looks of things, but still not my favourite for all the reasons we all already know about. I also think he's too young, and Rangnick is better placed age-wise/experience-wise.

He took Schalke to the semi's of the CL and has obviously got lots of Bundesliga experience which to my mind, puts him ahead of Pereira and Martinez.

I'd go for the German - any of the 3 is a gamble so BK should stick his neck out & do something a little bit different.

It would also leave Martinez in a tricky situation, sloping back to the pie munchers with his tail between his legs...

Richard do you seriously think it will be Alan Stubbs appointed yourself?

Also worryingly I see Neil Lennon still second favourite on Sky Bet.

Look here for a better, across-the-board view of the betting:

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/everton/next-permanent-manager

Rangnick would appear to be a good option, even if he's new to most of us.

Joachim Loew is a fine coach, as is Jurgen Klopp - all borne out by recent results.

Personally I prefer the Rangnick option over Martinez.

Bill will stall, stall, stall.......and then stall some more and the candidates will all tell him where to go and he will then implement Stubbs and Weir, saying that no-one else was interested in the job.

Tony@531 I really hope you're wrong, but of course, we all know Bill is probably loving the theatre of it all and being in the spotlight. It was always going to drag on with our luvvie Billy on the case.

Always leave em wanting more...

I'm wondering if a technically excellent coach (Pereira) and similar-minded Director of Football (Rangnick) might not actually be a better fit for what the board actually wants to fill the DM vacuum. Such a piece of revolutionary thought from the boardroom would stun me near to cardiac arrest, but, it does make a huge amount of sense... from the board's perspective.

I know where you're coming from...the theatrical performance for bums-on-seats luvvy and then the hand is faster than they eye and all hope is gone. We've all seen it enough and, if it happens, how many will really be surprised?. Few on here certainly.

All I'm saying is that a Director of Football with, if you look at it, very similar views of the game is an interesting interview after talking to a manager who's technically excellent (Pereira) but is supposed to like working with a Director of Football.

Add that to a board who seem quite happy that someone else is doing the football bit and it does all fit into quite an astounding picture. Reason to get excited...no. Forgiven a quiet hope though eh?

Fingers crossed.

Martinez should be given his chance, and we should all back him. He's got a trophy in his locker (which is more than Moyes!) and he totally outplayed and outthought us and Man City on the way.

We're all gonna start off on the wrong foot if this drags on.

Does that smack of Martinez being seen as the wrong man? At least by us...

I think a vast majority will be delighted by a Rangnick or Pereira appointment.

Please just not Neil Lennon.

"Oooh, Vitor is a nice name. It's Latin for victory you know? We want him to be a winner don't we?"

"Wait, Marcelo (Bielsa) is Latin for 'hammer'. We want to hammer the opposition so that's a good one too."

"Hmmm, Roberto, not sure what that means but it sounds, er, exotic! That must mean exciting football surely."

"Alan? Duncan? Malky? Fuck off, too boring!"

If I was a British football manager I'd change my name by deed poll to "Premio Winnio", the offers would come swarming in!

Will Richard Dodd and Tony Marsh be cosying up together waxing lyrical about their love for the new man?

Will Nick Entwistle and Gavin Ramejkis nod in agreement with each other about his tactical ineptitude when we are held to a draw away at Hull?

Will Eugene Ruane and Tony J Williams, both in despair at the new mans lack of defensive nous, join forces to pit their wits against the unlikely allies Paul Ferry and Martin Mason who won't hear a bad word said against rapturous risky Roberto/Ralf (delete as appropriate)?

Will my head be able to cope?

Time will tell.

Just saying, like.

Whoever we get, like I did with Moyes, I will give him time.

I understand some might see me as have been 'anti-Moyes' but I'd like to mention a couple of things.

I was PRO Moyes for at least 6 years and only in the last 3/4 years thought it would be better for us AND him if he were to move on.

I'd might also add that as much as I believed his tactics and approach had become stale and predictable, I never once referred to him as 'a shit-house' or a cun...well, you know.

I also, many times, pointed out that, despite what I saw a his shortcomings as our manager, I believe/d he is/was a decent human being...if a bit dull.

Remember, there's black white AND grey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZHnEvIQui0

Out of the laughable names given over the past three or so weeks, none of them for me can take Everton forward. We cannot afford to stagnate, because the only way from there is down the league instead of up.

There is one man who has a proven ability of being able to take a club like ours, with hardly any money and pushing them onto better things, even making them profitable and who also has Premier League experience.

The RS were shitting themselves at the thought their former manager would end up here, because they know full well he would turn around our fortunes big time. The man has even said "Come and get me," but Black Bill hasn't the balls or ambition to take this club anywhere except survival and that simply is unacceptable.

It would be a building project, that would ultimately see us in the Champions League and by the way improving in the league.

The man has contacts all over Europe, and would be able to get players very cheap... until we could eventually afford the more well-known names.

Who cares what a manager says about a football club? It's not as if any of it is actually meant... Mind games is all it is. I can remember that cheating bastard Fergie calling us some unpleasant names over the years before Moyes arrived, but then again the fans do the same thing to each other's teams.

The reality is, we need someone who can move us forward... how in the hell can Martinez even be thought of as the next manager?? Imagine it now: don't worry about the defense, it's not remotely important, we'll simply score more goals... then we find ourselves in the Wigan mould.

For me, based on CVs alone, Benitez is the only proven manager who would be good for us, and would push us on to bigger and better things. Some might argue, but I'd suggest you go look at his glittering CV, especially the part where he has taken teams with hardly any money and got them into impressive winning ways, including a title challenge (Valencia)... who are hardly any different to us, and it's not the first time he has taken a club with no money and drastically improved their fortunes.

I couldn't care less what the RS would have to say, it's none of their business.

Everyone else has. I figured might as well throw my hat in...

Anyone who can get a relative unknown German club like Schalke 04 into a Champions League Semi-Final, as my vote. Last 4 or 5 years in the Premier League as been pretty shit really. Not for us, but in general.

I think next season will be very interesting, as I think there is going to be room for one more in that top 4, that balance of play at the top of the league is going to come to grinding halt, and we need to be there when that happens. :)

I never understand that argument.

Oh it's faster in England....oooh....I'll bet these foreign teams quake in their boots when they get drawn against English sides....they're so fast it's terrifying!

Rubbish.

If all we have left, then I would take Ralf; he sounds like an interesting manager, and seemed to have a really good philosophy at Schalke. I wish we could emulate them at least.

I'm looking forward to next season... here's to hoping we have a really good season. :)

I backed Moyes for a fair while up until around 2007 or so when it seemed to me that it would be better for all concerned to part company.

Also worth remembering that more than a few so-called MOB (thanks for the label, it's boss and lovely, I love my label) joined TW in the last handful of years or so when opinion about Ginger were starting to polarize.

Sir Alex — Aberdeen
Wenger — Monaco, then Grampus 8
Mourinho — Porto
Ancelotti — Chelsea

It doesn't necessarily have to be a man with PL experience. I think that it's good to come with your own experience, then you can just apply that philosophy or experience to the PL, like Mourinho and Wenger did. They brought their methods to the PL and made it work.

It theoretically would make it easier for the manager, knowing what to expect, knowing strategies etc. It is conceivable that a foreign manager may have not come up against many english sides and therefore would be at a disadvantage.

The pace as you rightfully point out, is very english in that it's played at 100mph. where as on the continent it tends to be a lot slower, with far more technical skill on offer which can be debatable depending on the league.

I have no real problem with someone who has no premier league experience, since if we do get ralf, it's from the Bundesliga which isn't a million miles different to our league.

I admire german efficiency and spanish technical skill and the english pace, add them altogether I think who ever had all three would be unbeatable lol

Wenger. Mourinho. AVB, etc....

On the other hand, he's a top 3 candidate according to

http://www.toffeeWeb.com/season/12-13/rumour-mill/item.asp?submissionID=24803

Talking of which, if there are three people in line for the manager's job...who is the third person is it really that porto boss?

Martinez is proven??

While I like some facets of the way he manages. One giant flaw in his ability, is his own inability to fix a defense. I mean three seasons in a row, where Wigan have escaped the dreaded drop, but this season he took them down in style.

Wigan were doomed because he did nothing to fix the defense. Week after week, month after month, that team leaked goal after goal, and he did absolutely nothing. Over time that really hurt Wigan, and I suggest all along it was his inability to deal with a fundamental aspect of the sport you cannot ignore, and that is defenders who can defend.

His tactics might have worked in Spain, where it's more about we can score more than you, and it's very exciting to watch. But in the Premier League, that mentality will doom your team to relegation over the course of a season, unless you have exceptional players.

Martinez is far from proven in the Premier League: each of the three season's he has managed Wigan, he has always flirted with relegation. This was his own team he managed to take down... are you honestly saying you're happy to have this guy interviewed?

You forgot Miss Australia - Christine Foster... there's 3. And I think one Laurie Hartley means 4. Though what crown she wears I dunno...

The female contribution to TW grows!

And btw - try Axe body spray and ditch the cologne. It's just like in the commercials. You spray those pheromones on and BAM! Hot chicks everywhere.

It's like magic. Try it with a beer and things go absolutely crazy.

"He's taking his time so he gets praise for doing it thoroughly, then tommorrow he will appoint Weir. It's just inevitable."

BK may have faults but christ - I'm more wiyh Freda's excitement - otherwise what is the point of supporting anyone ?

Slow down Ross mate. Teary Billy will not appoint weary Weir, don't worry. If he does I'll give you my house and Everton reg. plate.

We will not have to put up with a deary internal pick UNLESS - oh holy Entwistle - the externals say nay, nein, no, nao, but that will not happen.

We will end up, I suspect, with one of these leading three and it will be an edgy time, inevitably but also exciting. My hunch is that it will be Martinez and we can only hope that he brings the 3 Ms with him to The Old Lady.

What about those naughty Celtic fans putting money on Lennon on Bet Fred, eh eh, eh!

Let's not get conned by how good German football is. Even the CL final was "up an at 'em" stuff played at 90 miles per hour (150 km/h).

We have played some great football this season although without the results we deserved – inspite of Moyes (This isn't a Moyes-in rant). Wigan took us apart in the FA Cup and I thought we were lucky to win on Boxing Day. On balance, I'm going for Martinez.

I have no problem with you selecting Ralf or the Porto boss, though would prefer Ralf if push came to shove, due to German efficiency in the game.

Have a wonderful weekend everyone!

Mr Whelan talking again and saying he's had 50 applications for Wigan post.

I won't be there to see it though - it would stink of no ambition, and no future for this club if it happens.

You've just ruined my weekend with the thought of it!!

"One can grant that if it were possible for us to have such deep insight into a human being’s cast of mind, as shown by inner as well as outer actions, we would know every incentive to action, even the smallest, as well as all the external occasions affecting them; thus we would be able to calculate a human being’s conduct for the future with as much certainty as that of a lunar or solar eclipse." — (Immanuel Kant)

I do not question Rangnick's abilities as a tactician and achievements as a manager. There are other factors, pertaining to his character and somewhat erratic modus operandi, which are legitimate causes for deep concern. The following highlights from Rangnick's career should be of interest to us all, and I will leave it to the Evertonians to draw their own conclusions. Is this the loyal servant we are looking for?

• SSV Reutlingen (1995-1996): Rangnick clashes with the board and his contract is terminated.
• SSV Ulm (1997-1999): During a bad spell for the team Rangnick hands in his resignation.
• VfB Stuttgart (1999-2001): Several clashes with the board; Rangnick is eventually replaced by Felix Magath.
• Hannover96 (2001-2004): Repeated clashes with the board. Being linked with Hertha, he is urged to pledge his future to Hannover96, to which he offered the following reply: "Why should I pledge an oath? There were difficult times at the club, when no one [from the board] was at my side." Rangnick was eventually sacked.
• Schalke04 (2004-2005): The Schalke04 fans were unhappy with the club's board as well as the players and gave vent to their dissatisfaction during a game against Mainz. After the game, Rangnick took a lap of honour to show his gratitude to the fans. The board and the players were less than pleased with Rangnick's erratic behaviour. Two days later he was sacked.
• 1899 Hoffenheim (2006-2011): Repeated clashes with the board. Rangnick resigns over the sale of Luiz Gustavo to Bayern München.
• Schalke04 (2011): Rangnick suffers mental breakdown and resigns.

Bill wouldn't like that at all, and I'm guessing he must have a C.V. with all those resignations on. Thanks for the info.

Longer it goes on the worse feeling I get about the whole thing.

He says that he wants to manage in the PL. I would take an in house for next season as an interim, then I would go for him in the summer.

If he can be tempted by AZ Alkmaar, a relatively smaller club in the Eredivisie, surely we can go for him.

I really hope we don't fall for the hype surrounding the smiling Spaniard.

Check out Ralph Waldo Emerson, it might change your view.

Or maybe he's on a decent screw in a good job, that offers a decent work / life balance in a nice neck of the woods.

I think he could be a guru though....

Just wish we'd never lost Davey. I haven't been this worried for the future of our great club as I am right now. We will do well to finish top half if any of the 3 rumoured to be short listed are given the job.

Moyesy was the perfect fit for EFC, not sure he will be for Manure, the only hope I have is that he's back where he belongs in a years time.

My suggestion for Van Gaal was stupid. Back to reality.

I really hope Martinez is not appointed - though fear he will be.

Who would be your choice out of the 3 most likely candidates?Mine would be deffo Rangnick, he plays the high pressing game, he's described as a professor of the sport and is radical. The closest thing we're going to get to Bielsa

I think we need someone a bit ridical and different to close the gap on the teams above us. I apprieciate everything Moyes did for us, but I don't want another run of the mill manager

He is the best out of the three. I don't care if he's been certified as a raving lunatic, he beats Stubbs anyday.

Mark defo don't want a 'yes' man. I feel quite excited at the prospect of Ralf. That post by Anton did make me think, but then there are lots of positives too. Reading through the posts quite a few would be happy with him.

Exciting times ahead.

Take your time Bill, this whole manager guessing game is the most exciting thing since the ginger geek arrived and turned us into a big safe tedious uneventful adventure.

As for Anton 673 list of reasons not to have Rangnick - every one of your points prove that this is the man we need to wipe away the era of Moyes mediocrity.

I hope he's going to speak to Pereira again next week, but I'm not swung towards Rangnick. Germany are the ones to beat, and an opportunity to get a Champions League Semi-Finalist as manager is too tempting to turn down.

This German guy has really no pedigree and how he quit his last post is somewhat dubious. However the ''unknown'' who took the reins at Soton seems to have done well.

Maybe Everton are hedging at the fee they have to pay Wigan? Are they that broke if that is the case or is it as many of us have suspected that Kenwright has no real ambition except to survive in the same vein as we have been doing without scaling any heights.

Hopefully it is resolved soon and the new guy, whomever can get into planning a ''new Everton''.

Frida, thought you were talking real sense on Benitez and then you say this;

'I hope Ralf gets the job., even though I do not know who he is, except he got Schalke to a semi final of the Champions League.'

Are you for real?

Ragnick replaced Magath as head coach on 21 March 2011 and resigned, owing to his mental condition, on 22 September 2011. Many Salzburg Red Bull fans are ridiculing the reports of Ragnick's heading for Everton, considering that he pledged his future to the club only a few days ago, and they point out that Ragnick is frequent visitor to England.

Baines is clearly impressed by his recent comments, and if he's happy that's a massive plus for us.

Yeah... Anton. Like you can't even spell his fucking name!

Vitor or Martinez then?

Think I'd prefer Martinez. Cheaper, safer, knows the league and I'm struggling to find anyone in the game who has a bad word to say about him.

Sharon Larkin, I wondered if you were any relation to Philip Larkin, but when I read the last sentence of your 782 post, I had a few doubts!!

Nice to read your contributions nevertheless, only joking !!

He had some success in the BL but that was awhile ago and the demands of the Austrian league cannot be compared with the top league in England. It would be interesting but I'd still go for the Portuguese guy as my first choice, simply because he should be able to bring in some quality players on the cheap (hopefully). (He also speaks perfect English, for those who were/are worried.)

TBH, as long as it's not internal or British, I'd be happy – we need a new philosophy and style of play to get excitement and entertainment back. Also, a revamp of the youth academy would be good as too few are coming through.

I just want whoever it is in so we can get on with the next part of checking the above web sites for transfer rumours. Please August, hurry up and get here!

Moyes is going.....

Oh No (Or "Oh Yes" depending on your view)

Martinez is favourite - Oh Shit ! Relegation beckons

Neville Stubbs Weir Ferguson in the frame - Deeper shit - Npower league 1????

Martinez is still favourite - Oh No

Hughes wants the job . NO NO NO (I'd rather have Martinez)

Redknap is hot favourite from nowhere - No No No (I'd rather have Martinez any day, surely we can do better than 'Arry)

Hoddle - OMG

Pereira, Rangnick - Sounds good, club are trying to listen to the fans, exciting times ahead(Martinez is a half decent backup though)

Wait ! Rangnick is one loss from a breakdown and Pereira has not enough PL experience

Martinez IN !!!!!

Like so many people here, I care so much it hurts - and then one gives up for a bit for fear of exploding.

I just don't want RM; either/both of the other two would be good, really good.

I've not thought about what manager will bring with them regarding back room staff, no2, transfers, who's wanted, not wanted.
I'm off to lye down in a dark room until its all over.

If the man was really such a liability as Al suggests big clubs would hardly be lining up to employ him, but the fact is that they still are.

Apologies for linking to an article written by a red, but this is a much more informed and balanced analysis of Rangnick's strengths and weaknesses, written at a time when he appeared to be in the frame for the Liverpool job - http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/01/ralf-rangnick-next-liverpool-manager/ .

Sounds like he has plenty to offer.

I'm surprised that Martinez's jumping ship and his open admission that he doesn't want to manage in the Championship (a place to which he took Wigan!) hasn't attracted more criticism on here. It really does smack of self-importance and lack of self-knowledge/humility.

1) Burnout is often translated into German as Nervenzusammenbruch, which means breakdown of the nerves or psyhcosomatic breakdown. The Wikipedia article defines Nervenzusammenbruch as burnout persisting over time. Rangnick himself referred to his condition as a "breakdown" in this interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL3ukmX7OEU

2) Rangnick was allegedly turned down by WBA, Liverpool, and Besiktas.

3) I am now beginning to doubt the veracity of the story that Rangnick is a contender. Reasons for this are: (a) Red Bull Salzburg have told Kurier.at that Rangnick is not going anywhere. (b) Rangnick is a frequent visitor to England; hence his being observed in England need not mean anything at all. (c) Only he few days ago he pledged his future to Red Bull Salzburg. (d) This rumour, as far as I can trace its genealogy, was started by The Sun, and Sky were basing their claims on stories in newpapers (The Sun?) and "rumours on the internet" (paraphrase).

Rangnick is highly unlikely to become Everton's next manager.

There he was waitng at the gate, waiting at the gate.

Make a good West End farce, all this would.

Remember Bayer Munich have just signed a Spanish coach, If all their coaches are so good why did they go abroad for theirs?

He has some good points about him, but as Al Philby @ 673 has indicated there's a bit of an unstable persona about him, I just can't see BK giving him the nod, if he thinks he'll do a lap of honour around our ground after an argument with the board and players. His inclusion to me seems like an attempt to gain some leverage over the other two serious applicants (keep wages down etc) and I just can't visualize an internal promotion (please no).

There's no doubt though, great players don't make great managers as a rule, take a look at some of these names:

Greame Souness
Kevin Keegan
Roy Keane
Bryan Robson
Mark hughes
John Toshak

I didn't know that, it's interesting when you look at, there's been some awesome pros have made terrible managers and some nobodies who've done well.

I'm not saying they're all bad, you've just give an example that would probably prove me wrong, but I'm old fashioned about it and I would prefer a pro who's been there and done it.

If AVB or Ragnick ever made it to a final (I'd have to take my hat off to them just for the achievement), but when their players are out on their feet, can either of them look their players in the eyes and say "I know what you're going through, I've been there and done it, you can do it too".

Having said all I've said AVB does defy my argument (fuck is nothing straight forward in this world?)

I worry equally about all of them, but then also think each of them potentially has something good to offer. Even Martinez, who I feel very iffy towards, maybe could do well.

I wish him well and all, just as long as he doesn't sign Baines and Felli.

I mean, it does help to be a good player but that doesn't make them good managers. I mean, Martinez didn't have a glittering career, neither have the other candidates. I think managerial experience is more important frankly.

We will need to add to the squad there is little doubt about that and many of the problems that the new man will encounter will have to be faced and overcome. That would have been the case even if DM had remained in post.

We were never going to get a top man to replace DM, so I don't understand all the negative vibes to whoever is going to arrive, many seem to be of the opinion that we are a club in real crisis and as regards finance that is true but the squad we have, although not the biggest still has many players of proven ability and they have consistently achieved decent results for the past 18 months why should they suddenly start under-performing?

The manager is an important position but I don't buy into the whole without Moyes we are doomed, is it not a possibility that the players will feel that they have something to prove to him now that he has done a Rooney and moved onto better things? If they do collapse into a mess then that says a lot about them as individuals and I just don't think that sort of attitude is in their make-up.

We should be excited about the next era in the club's history and understandably as Blues we always fear the worse, but I personally want us to put two fingers up to the OT men and everyone else who has said that our club has overachieved due to the abilities and drive of a single man, we are much maligned as a club and next season it is time for us to get right behind the club and push them to as good a season as they can achieve.

At the end of the day it is us the supporters who want what is best for the club and even if that doesn't always show itself to be the case we have to get behind the team and the new managers right from the get go, if we don't we will be saying to all the so called pundits that they were right all along.

1) We sell Tim Cahill to New York Red Bulls;

2) We interview Ralf Rangnick, sporting director of Red Bull Salzburg/Leipzig.

Now the question I ask myself is Blue Bill smoozing the corporate guys at Red Bull?? He always says he's looking for new partners/a buyers so after selling Tim has he been in regular contact with the Red Bull team? The answer is I simply do not know.

What I do know is Red Bull invest heavily in sports, own New York Red Bulls, Red Bull Salzburg, Rasen Ballsport Leipzig (the German Football authorities would not allow them too be named Red Bull because of rules re sponsorship) and also they own Red Bull Brazil, a team in Sao Paolo, so they definitely have an interest in football ownership.

When they take over the teams they all play in the Red Bull standard colours and have their club badge altered bearing those, yes, Red Bulls.

Now we have just seen our beautiful badge altered to a hideous new one (ok the club have backtracked sort of over this and apologised and told us it's for just one season). Let's hope we we eventually get an investor of some sorts that they are not the sort to radically alter our heritage (badge and colours).

Yes, I'm probably totally crazy for thinking this is a possibility; surely Blue Bill wouldn't do something like this, would he??

I for one hope he certainly would not, even for all the multi millions and energy drinks in the world. We are a proud club full of history and long may it continue.

I agree with you and I'm hoping BK suddenly has a bout of common sense and does likewise.

We have a decent defense that will see RM through while he thumps the opposition at the other end.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-everton-manager-ralf-rangnick-1926316

It frightens me, but it's just up BK's street (or strasse should I say)

And because I've always liked him as a person but for some reason, and maybe it is to do with the way he left everyone hanging with the contract decision and looked like he thought he was too big for the club (like we should be begging him to stay), I feel the same about him now as when he was manager. Call me bitter if you like but I hope he fails badly, at least I will know myself that I was right about him all along. That will be some satisfaction.

What a weird article. I don't know what to make of that. Very imaginative journalism to be fair.

On no other basis than I think he will be better than the other two.

He's also clashed heavily with the board of every club he's been at (Although I wouldn't mind him having ago at BK, just to see his reaction).

If had a breakdown managing Schalke who are a bigger club than us and have more resources, how will he cope with us?

"Give me the job I can bring on Phil Neville et al, for the future of the club", that must have had BK's mouth watering and then he adds "I promise to play football in the style of the great David Moyes and my successor will also be trained to play in his style".

Fuck it's a done deal!

And another 22 years without a cup.

Just keep in mind that we have betting firms out there who would like to keep us on our toes with a view to maintaining a steady flow of incoming bets. Betting firms enlist the services of bloggers and journalists, they infiltrate and even cooperate with fan sites, and they have their moles and collaborators among the staff of the newspapers. I really hope this circus comes to an end on Monday.

Rangnick at 13/1 must be a value bet in a 3 horse race?

Anyone but Martinez now basically.

No, no, no and no. If he's not good enough for them he's not good enough for us.

I'm still sceptical about Pereira as if he has done such a great job winning two titles then why don't Porto want him to stay! Rangnick is obviously a strong candidate too, but he has only tasted success in the lower leagues. I would be happy with any of these candidates, but I have a nagging feeling that Rangnick and Pereira would be gone within a season or two. Just my gut instinct.

It definitely won't be an in house as he would have announced that weeks ago now.

Looking at the three candidates in the fruit bowl, they all have their weaknesses, Martinez can't defend for toffee (excuse the pun), Rangnick resigned from the Schalke job because of stress, would he be able to stand the stress of PL management?

Periera has done well domestically, but has fallen short in European competition, and he isn't popular with the fans and hasn't been offered a new contract yet.

Rangnick and Martinez are not the names the most of us demanded but they are the Golden Deliciouses in a box of rotten apples that includes Lennon, Redknapp and an in house appointment. But, out of the three, Rangnick is the better candidate.

The fact that he has resigned from Wigan tells me that he has solid offers on the table. I assume one of those is from Everton, but could he be in negotiations with Malaga or another club? If so he isn't rushing into anything and I hope he makes the correct decision and chooses Everton. If this does happen I look forward to an improved brand of passing football and a can do attitude when it comes to facing the top teams.

Like most people posting here I am a little concerned by Wigan's poor defensive record, but I hope he has learned from his mistakes there and would be able to drastically improve with our defenders and coaches like Stubbs and Weir at his disposal.

For me it is a win-win situation as I feel all three have a lot to offer. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that it will one of the three and not an internal appointment. That certainly would not signal an exciting new era.

I have just seen the latest TW poll is roughly a three way split with Pereira in a slight lead. It looks like RM is catching up and is certainly not everyone's nightmare appointment!

More chance of seeing pubes in a Japanese bluey.

Sorry Ross, I COMPLETELY got the wrong end of the stick.

I honestly thought you were serious and were suggesting Mourinho as Everton manager could be on the cards.

I feel like SUCH a...blimmin' fool (and that's swearing!)

(rolls eyes, tuts, shakes head, gives up)

Can someone based in London kidnap him and take him to Bill's house please?

Haubrichs: "Also about your future there are rumours. Your engagement at Red Bull Salzburg is about to end, and Everton are interested..."

Ralf Rangnick: "These are speculations, of which I wish to be no part."

Looks like we have all been taken for a ride by The Sun and Sky - and probably by some betting firms.

Just......Quality. I'm gonna use that.

Is this the same Mourinho who won the CL and UFEA cup with Porto without spending 200M? I know what you mean though and you was only having a joke with Eugene

The pie eaters are wrong.

1) Not a single quote from Pereira indicating that he is considering Everton.
2) Not a single quote from from people directly affiliated to or in any way close to Porto indicating that Pereira is considering Everton.
3) All the reports in the Portugese press are relying on English sources of a highly dubious nature: The Sun, Mirror, and SSN.
4) There are no reliable indicators suggesting that Pereira has actually held talks with Kenwright.

Pellegrini voices his opinion regarding the vacancy at Manchester City now and then. Why is Pereira being as elusive as Apollo?

My interpretation of the situation is a follows: Martinez is the only serious external candidate, but his potential appointment is being opposed by forces within the club. Southall's appearance on Talksport should be seen as a lobbying attempt on behalf of his friends within the club. From a strictly human point of view, the opposition of these people within the club would be understandable, as their future at the club will be uncertain if Martinez is appointed.

I honestly detest him.

As far as I can remember that's when everyone started getting excited about him.

Pereira has been in the press today, not translated very well but he claims he will win the champions league one day!

Wonder what kenwrights reaction was was when he dropped that bombshell when the two recently met??

Here's the interview taken from A BOLA.-

Vitor Pereira continues with the indefinite future, but ensures feel conscience. If it does not warrant that FC Porto will emigrate, but also stresses that his big career goal became to win the Champions League.

"I strongly believe in the competence and perfectionism. And since I am a fighter, you know - there are already a few years - would come where I am. How do I know that I am here today and I'll get further, one will win the Champions League. I know I'll get there. I take this: one day, I will win the Champions League, "said the coach, in an interview with News Magazine.

About its connection to FC Porto, Vítor Pereira says that when finished, the future will always "out there" but also reminded: "One thing I will never take: my competence. The path made ​​here will allow me to work here or somewhere else. "

"I believe that Porto is a part of my way. After? Wherever where God wants me to take. I will no longer be able to train more, for sure, "continued Vítor Pereira.

It also leaves a certainty, regardless of their eventual departure, as well as have certain transfers of James Rodriguez and John Mourinho: "FC Porto will not change. There is a very strong competitive spirit, the will to win, always believe until the end. And this union results in many titles. "
10:22 - 06/02/2013

All the name dropping is becoming an embarrassment and I can't understand why it goes on after all the crap we've had to swallow in the past. You are all being strung along again and Bill is laughing his socks off at the guillable fuckers. No matter who is appointed as manager, this situation has become a pathetic circus that only EFC seem to do on a regular basis.

Those who still think BK is doing a fine job by dragging his feet need to wake up: something stinks. Please stop the name-dropping and the swooning over any name of any foreign-sounding coach that pops up. It's a joke and makes us all look like dumb fucks. Surely by now we as Evertonians have seen and heard enough shite from the twats that run the club not to be dupped yet again.... Haven't we???

I never thought I would say this, but I am leaning towards Martinez.
Pereira still seems interesting, but something seems not right. I don't know how to phrase it, but I could just imagining him feeling we are the lucky ones to have him......... him seeing us as a step on his ladder.... etc, I don't know maybe I read the guy all wrong, I cant honestly say I know much about him.

We are a football club, not a charity, and given Stubbs and Weir had pretty lengthy careers I'm sure they're more than comfortable.

If we kept every ex-Everton pro on the pay-roll we'd have a pretty mighty staff list. Ex-players should always be part of the fabric of he club but shouldn't get jobs out of sympathy.

What a life!

"No matter who is appointed as manager... It's a joke and makes us all look like dumb fucks." — You're becoming an even more ridiculous parody of yourself with such arrant nonsense, if that were even possible!

Various names have been linked to the job, but only one (or is it two?) will be appointed, so, as I look at it, there's really no difference between this speculation and the biannual fiasco known as "Transfer Speculation" — 95% of it does not come to pass.

But you are setting this up as some huge and dramatic embarrassment for all Evertonians, and that is just plain nonsense. Whoever is appointed will be the new manager, be it an internal appointment, a current PL manager, a foreign newbie... you will always have the conspiracy theorists who will maintain it was always going to be him.

Fortunately, I think everyone is ignoring you: perhaps I should do the same.

I can understand Tony Marsh's cynicism in some respects; after all, the club hasn't exactly covered itself in glory when dealing with matters of the "truth." I can also understand Michael's reaction TO Tony's post.
We're all nervous, all hoping, some more optimistically than others, that the right decision will be made. We should ban ourselves from reading papers, looking on the net, listening to the radio because basically 95% of what's out there will be total shite!

Not long to wait lads, in the meantime, let's..... stay calm and (insert appropriate phrase here).