Stoke City 2 - 0 Everton
Aaron Lennon returned to the starting XI but only managed a disappointing hour
Everton's horrible run of Premier League form continued at the Britannia Stadium with an eighth defeat in nine away games thanks to a goal in each half for Stoke, scored by Victor Moses and Mame Biram Diouf.
Aaron Lennon returned to the team alongside Darron Gibson and Steven Naismith for the trip to the Britannia Stadium.
Leighton Baines missed out so Luke Garbutt continued at left back. Ross Barkley and Kevin Mirallas were named among the substitutes.
A scrappy opening yielded few chances but a number of infringements for Mark Clattenburg to deal with. Steven Naismith received some cautionary words before Gareth Barry was booked for tugging back Charlie Adam, picking up his 10th booking of the season and a two-match suspension in the process.
Gibson had the Blues' first effort on target for the Blues with a low shot that was comfortably gathered while a couple of corners from Luke Garbutt came to nothing.
Stoke, meanwhile, had their first real spell of pressure with half an hour gone and Moses forced a parrying save from Tim Howard. The home side remained in possession following a spate of "handbags" between Naismith and Phil Bardsley before the Stoke fullback swung the ball into the box from a throw-in. Victor Moses rose unmarked in the box to plant a header into the top corner beyond Tim Howard's reach and make it 1-0.
Everton's best passage of play towards the end of the first half yielded a couple of set-pieces and a shot on target from the angle by Lennon but it was not enough to unduly trouble Asmir Begovic.
The best chance of the game for Martinez's side came early in the second half when Lukaku was handed a rare chance to get behind the defence with the ball played in front of him and his deflected shot squirmed agonisingly past the far post.
The Blues continued to press in the second half but lacked the guile to break down a stubborn and physical opponent. Lennon was withdrawn along with Barry after an hour and the introduction of Leon Osman and Arouna Kone yielded two quick shots on goal but one was blocked and the other beaten away by the 'keeper.
As Everton chased the game increasingly in vain, they were sucker-punched when Diouf got away with a foul on Phil Jagielka in the centre circle and was on hand to convert the rebound after Marko Arnautovic's shot came back off the post.
Luke Garbutt forced a late save from Begovic after McCarthy had been fouled on the edge of the box by Jonathan Walters but it was a rare test for the Potters' keeper.
The result represents the League double for Stoke over Everton following their win at Goodison Park on Boxing Day and ratchets up the pressure on Martinez whose team have now recorded just two victories in 16 matches in the Premier League.
If there was a silver lining for the Blues it was that all three of the clubs occupying the relegation places coming into the evening lost, preserving that six-point buffer. QPR were beaten 2-1 at home by Arsenal, Burnley went down 2-0 to Liverpool and Leicester lost at Manchester City.
Everton: Howard; Coleman, Stones, Jagielka, Garbutt; Barry, McCarthy, Gibson, Lennon; Naismith, Lukaku
Subs: Robles, Alcaraz, Barkley, Osman, Besic, Kone, Mirallas
Kick off: 7.45pm
Referee: Mark Clattenburg
Last Season: Stoke City 1 - 1 Everton
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1 Posted 04/03/2015 at 18:56:12
2 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:04:32
3 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:08:55
4 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:10:36
5 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:09:28
Yet another unbalanced RM side. Barry McCarthy and Gibson should never be in the same side.
McCarthy and Gibson for me with Mirallas/Baines or Oviedo on the left when fit.
6 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:10:10
7 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:19:50
8 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:24:50
9 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:30:40
10 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:32:28
11 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:33:28
12 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:32:20
I sincerely hope I'm eating humble pie and marvelling at the amazing way the team played later on, but I can't see it.
Very very worried, hoping for a miracle.
13 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:34:49
14 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:35:26
15 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:38:23
16 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:33:19
17 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:43:10
18 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:42:23
I laughed out loud! Living in Cornwall now, I miss the Scouse humour, but the beaches are nicer!!
19 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:01:14
20 Posted 04/03/2015 at 19:46:51
21 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:19:14
22 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:20:53
23 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:24:23
24 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:27:20
25 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:30:25
Will BK please put him and importantly us out of this misery.
26 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:33:20
28 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:36:03
29 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:38:37
30 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:36:12
31 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:36:26
What we need is Stoke to hump us about 5 nil to get this shithouse board to run this clown of a manager out of town.
32 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:36:30
33 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:37:50
I've been secretly hoping that this dire football is just down to a lack of confidence amongst the players, but any worthy manager would have picked up a talented (on paper) team such as ours by now, and got us playing our way out of trouble.
As of now, I really don't see where our next Premier League win is coming from... BIG TROUBLE!!!
34 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:40:53
35 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:41:34
36 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:41:03
37 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:40:11
I have a question that I need help answering, how many games this season has RM put out the same team compared to last season? It seems to me that every week he changes the midfield with two or three players? Last season I was pretty sure of our line up (barring injury) and how we would play, but this season it all seems rather confused. Not sure if this uncertainty translates to player confidence, but has this ÂtinkermanÂ approach contributed to our relegation fight?
38 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:44:23
39 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:52:17
40 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:54:41
41 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:00:47
42 Posted 04/03/2015 at 20:59:01
43 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:01:38
44 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:02:18
45 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:04:17
46 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:14:20
47 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:23:06
48 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:13:55
For god's sake, what is wrong with Kenwright? Can't he see what's happening? This is a nightmare and I feel like I'm never ever going to wake up from it...
49 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:17:24
50 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:22:45
I am so sick and tired of Roberto Martinez that I could pay Money out of my own pocket to get rid of this guy. He is definitely brilliant of getting abosolutely nothing out of a decent Squad.
This is the most stinky football I have ever watched I think. Worse than Norway under Drillo.
51 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:27:32
52 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:17:13
53 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:25:54
54 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:28:11
Get out off our club, you clown!
55 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:15:41
56 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:28:16
57 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:28:46
What an embarrassing season, given the talent we have.
58 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:30:12
59 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:35:41
60 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:35:29
God, I wish we had DM back to at least give us some fight!
62 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:38:18
63 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:38:45
Stop and think about what youÂre asking for.
65 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:38:11
3 strikers on the pitch and we couldn't score? (Naismith and Mirallas can play striker, before you ask.)
We just look so deflated. Something needs to change and a change of manager is easier than the 21 players who can't seem to perform!
66 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:40:30
67 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:37:09
68 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:39:26
69 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:42:01
You can keep Dave Whelan company.
70 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:37:38
71 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:37:00
I used enormous restraint in writing that, I feel itÂs the very least Evertonians deserve. The very least. In light of the season weÂve had, that was the absolute cherry. I feel like IÂve inhaled a low grade of poison gas or similar... Absolutely numb.
72 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:40:27
DonÂt be blinded by the Europa League, he has to go and I mean tonight, we need 3 wins and he wonÂt deliver them. Please, I beg you.
73 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:43:10
74 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:42:38
75 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:41:14
Can anyone tell me why Lennon is playing ahead of Mirallas?
I want to wake up tomorrow with Bobby looking for a new job, funny how he's not linked with Barca or Milan anymore, can't think why?!!!!
76 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:38:56
Where do we go from here? The only good thing is the teams below us are loosing as well.
BK Â– stop it now... Or we will not be in the Premier League next season.
77 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:38:37
How can ANYONE think the unforgivable dross weÂve had ALL season is remotely acceptable?
It may be too late already.
78 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:39:13
79 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:43:47
80 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:44:29
When? As quickly as possible.
81 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:42:16
82 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:38:03
At least we can look forward to eight extra league matches next season and maybe a "dream cup draw" away to a big club.
83 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:40:40
The Board must be looking at a plan B after this and hopefully there's a maximum one year payout when he's sacked. If there's not the clown in charge of contracts is not fit for purpose.
Utter nightmare of a season that I'm sure is affecting lots of ours health.
84 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:44:06
85 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:45:51
86 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:38:51
We are going down.
How can this have happened?
87 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:41:34
Martinez's build-up of Garbutt as he did Barkley, Stones, Mirallas, and Lukaku has once again put the curse on the young lad, and what a stinker he had.
Individually they are all trying but there's just no pattern, whenever we have the chance to break quickly, it gets to the halfway line and then Naismith, McCarthy, Lukaku, Lennon, Coleman, Garbutt, or whoever gets it, passes it back 40 yds Â– it's absolutely criminal.
88 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:45:27
89 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:43:13
I see the same thing here, concentrate on a cup (no chance) and watch us sink.
He has to go to give us some sort of chance, thereÂs enough home bred on the coaching staff to hopefully turn it around and rescue the season.
90 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:40:16
His book on how to turn a good team into crap in less than one season will be on sale soon.
91 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:41:27
I can't bear to listen to RM's excuses. Jimmy Case on Radio Merseyside is preferable
We can't be wishing for the RS, ManUre and Shitteh to win just to keep us alive Â– absolute embarrassment
Going to bed... Good night.
92 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:42:12
93 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:49:36
94 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:42:53
Awful... just awful! That's the straw that broke the camel's back! I've been a supporter of RM but remember thinking after the 5-year contract and that monstrosity of a mural on GP that we are setting ourselves up to look silly! God it has happened!
No leaders on the pitch either Â– is Cahill available for a short term loan? Please play 4-4-2 for the next few games as it can't be worse than our non-formation!
I can't believe this awful mess! He surely must come out and slate that performance!!
95 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:49:01
96 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:47:28
97 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:48:29
98 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:48:45
99 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:41:01
Why don't we take a note of the Old Trafford crowd at the weekend. They started passing backwards whilst winning and the crowd let them know what they wanted: Attack, Attack, Attack.
100 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:49:19
He has no Plan A never mind a Plan B. The only good thing that has come from this game is fucking Barry getting a two match suspension; he should be sent on permanent loan to Tranmere until his contract runs out.
101 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:47:37
"Sorry Prime Minister, we have to interrupt for a moment. We have some breaking news. Roberto Martinez has resigned with immediate effect from the Mighty Everton FC. We go live now to Goodison Park where a taxi is waiting. And there's Mr Martinez now in his bullshit brown shoes. The fans have brown trousers. More on this later. Now back to Mr Cameron ......"
102 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:47:11
104 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:41:53
105 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:50:45
106 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:49:11
107 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:37:43
When we play Newcastle a week on Sunday, he needs to start with two upfront from the outset. Four across the middle which needs to be Kevin and Lennon.
Barry's PL season is in my eyes over. No point in bringing him back after the ban. Decide between Gibbo, James and Mo who your two central men are and run with it. Luke has done really well but bring back Bainsey with the message that you are a senior pro so now show.
Finally, the goalkeeper. Could someone tell me with less than 10 mins to go why is Howard is taking goal kicks short that hardly reach the defender and also continuing to build slowly from the back? Sorry but we are back to a steady stream of goals conceded under his stewardship.
The Newcastle game should also mark the end of season. No amount of sound bytes alter the fact that these changes have to come. The current setup is broken.
108 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:53:17
109 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:34:26
I just can’t see how it’s a bigger risk to sack him....I really can’t. We will be finished for years if relegated and may not recover.....
Surely the gamble is worth it ? How can we be worse ? We can’t win a game in the league, if that continues were down anyway so how can it not be worth taking the risk to put someone else in charge and I don’t mean Martinez’s no2 either.
Here’s the thing.....I know I may get howled at but seriously.....we need passion, we need urgency, we need a clear idea of shape and we have to pick a team that has a fighting chance of creating enough chances to score a goal or two and yes I know that could mean conceding but that’s happening anyway so wtf ? Could Ferguson, with zero experience but Royle to call on deliver us 12 points ? Will Martinez do that ?
We’ve been desperately close to going down before but somehow this feels worse, simply because it’s so shocking a decline and frankly has been coming from day 1 of the campaign when the mgr allowed his World Cup holiday to distract from organising an effective pre season and we started knackered and got worse. He should have been sacked after Christmas and I see that now, no other club would accept this rubbish or the threat to their survival. Europa League ? Not interested, all that matters is staying in this league. Feel sick just thinking about how we’ve been allowed to collapse like this......
110 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:51:41
No shape! No passion! No belief!
Sheer ineptitude, the Europa Cup has got him out of the fire for far to long.
Go now and give us a chance to survive!!!!!!!!!!
111 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:39:39
Please MR BK, make the decision now. Ten games left to save us!
Who do we get? Well lets wait till we are down then decide.
The players are better than this. Wait for the crap the manager comes out with? Anyone here think we can win a game? The team is set up to go behind. Play two strikers and have a bloody go at scoring a goal! Not one shot on goal in the first 30 minutes. It will not be us that saves us but other teams. How lucky we are at present? Any other season we would be down?
112 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:50:16
The needs needs to go as soon as our interest in Europe expires.
This is no longer a knee-jerk reaction, it is not some bad 10 game spell, it is the ENTIRE season.
Where are the next points coming from?
113 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:48:52
This will probably be the best team on paper to ever get relegated from the premier league.
114 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:55:42
115 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:47:51
Martinez has been found out and anyone who wants to make a case as to why he shouldn't get sacked need their bumps feeling. We might not get relegated this season but we will limp painfully to safety. But it took Martinez three good attempts to get Wigan relegated.
Our last 16 games show an almost unbelievable record of
W2 D5 L9. F11 A22 Pts 11
That's not a blip its a trend of major fucking proportions.
In the name of God go now.
117 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:55:33
119 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:52:28
121 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:56:32
122 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:58:32
123 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:57:11
124 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:55:28
125 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:52:51
Sorry Roberto, I thought you were the man after last season - but do the honourable thing mate and resign. It's over and I'm sure you know it is.
I am also fairly sure our chairman will know how the senior players feel, it's no use prolonging this agony any more. Do what needs to be done, while there is time to ensure this club's Premier League status is safe.
Sheedy & Alan Irvine for the rest of the season.
127 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:00:44
128 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:53:33
129 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:46:35
I have no choice now but to cheer for 3 teams every week and those are the teams playing Burnley, Leicester and QPR. If Everton happen to be one of those teams so be it. This manager is not worth our time and I feel sorry for the supporters who give up their time and money to watch this crap live.
This is about as helpless as I’ve ever felt supporting Everton because I know Kenwright and Martinez are in this together and they will burn Everton down with them if they have to. He got lucky with Moyes. No such luck this time Billy boy. Either be a man and sack Martinez tomorrow or we are going down. 28 from 28. First time in Everton’s history. Congratulations Mr. Martinez you phenomenal character. The day you are gone will be a rebirth for our club. Hope the owners realize now that it’s going to cost them ALOT more money to keep him.
Think with your wallet Kenwright. No room for loyalty here. Getting promoted from the championship is much tougher than finishing 17th in the prem.
Don’t let Martinez go into Goodison against Newcastle because it will get very, very ugly.
130 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:59:29
Survival is much more important.
131 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:56:48
132 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:58:41
In terms of a replacement i'd look at Slaven Bilic who is doing great things at Besiktas ...i know Big Dunc's name is mentioned a lot but it would be sheer folly to put a totally inexperienced individual in that position, fire and brimstone he may have but tactical nous and a broader vision of the game is something different entirely.
133 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:00:49
134 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:01:48
135 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:00:36
As for Martinez, TIME TO GO BOBBY LAD.
137 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:55:38
139 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:55:04
I hoped that we would pull something out of the hat tonight but it is the same old story. The script isnÂt going to change...hard luck stories are not good enough anymore.
People on here have been saying for ages that something is rotten at EFC. He has lost the players, he has lost most of the fans. Now it is time for the Chairman to act.
Otherwise, we will go down, or be saved by the skin of our teeth, because there are 3 even worse teams out there.
140 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:00:02
If BK had any backbone, he would have fired him after Xmas. There was very little fight in the team then and now there is none.
141 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:59:57
I didnÂt think DF/JR would be the right choice.
But IÂd take them now if theyÂd just get rid of this clown.
They could not do any worse.
Any decency and heÂd walk.
IÂd love to hear someone come on here and defend him.
(But their medicine has probably sent them to sleep by now.)
142 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:02:29
143 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:02:27
144 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:52:02
145 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:04:47
146 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:01:16
The alarm bells were loud after the Southampton game and deafening after the "asymetrical" team set up game. Surely, theyÂre irresistible now.
147 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:05:54
Forget the next game. HeÂs got to go tonight.
148 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:59:57
149 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:06:30
Penny for his thoughts now!
150 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:58:26
Six home games would in any normal season be seen as a gift for a team in our position but without changing the manager the required atmosphere will not be generated to help the team and will in all probability create a nervous energy that will be counter-productive.
We really shouldnÂt be worrying about other teams results especially when those teams are in relegation territory but the truth is we are - we canÂt seem to put the ball in the net with any great regularity and canÂt keep a clean sheet often enough to sneak a point even when it may be unmerited.
That poisonous combination is the hall-mark of a team embroiled in the relegation zone and it needs to be addressed now, not next week not in a month or so it has to be done now, Roberto has had since early December to address these issues in the Premier League and he has failed to do it and IÂm afraid that I canÂt see him doing it.
151 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:59:47
152 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:00:52
We never collectively attacked, defended or closed down. It wasnÂt down to effort, we were just not playing as a team. How many times did Stoke come away with the ball after little battles.
Martinez earlier in the season said he wouldnÂt change tactics/philosophy too much as it would confuse the players. They looked confused tonight.
Stoke are shit but it was easy for them because they played as a team.
I certainly donÂt want Martinez out but heÂs got to get back to basic tactics and players playing in their natural positions.
154 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:02:09
155 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:08:22
156 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:05:08
157 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:06:34
158 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:05:51
Even Alan Irving with a couple of the coaches as assistants till the end of season would put some fight back in the team . And in the meantime look for a manager and not a jerk reaction for the first available.
159 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:05:23
160 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:02:31
I just think he is far too, 1 dimensional, without a plan B and other clubs figured him out quite easily and this has been exploited by just about every team we have played this season.
161 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:10:00
162 Posted 04/03/2015 at 21:55:23
If Kenwright doesnÂt get rid before the Newcastle match he will stay and that means relegation for sure, just sick that this has been allowed to happen. The club seems finished as well as the team.
163 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:12:31
164 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:11:03
Any Martinez supporters want to defend him tonight after watching that sack of shite?
165 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:03:08
166 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:11:53
167 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:07:05
168 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:13:19
169 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:03:54
170 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:12:42
What will it take the club to act.Sadly not fans reaction.
Surely itÂs purely a business decision now, sack him, give him his golden farewell and get Dunc in there.
The cost of sacking vs relegation and maybe one more round in the Europa Tin cup.....no brainer.
171 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:01:27
Bring in Big Joe and Dunc until the end of the season, then get a proper manager who preferably has not taken his team down the season before....job done.
This clown was banging on this morning on how he saved Swansea from going out of the league....I have heard it all now.....sack the halfwit......
173 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:07:47
174 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:21:07
176 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:13:23
1. WeÂve a chance to win the Europa.
2. I think we will bounce back next year, teams have season dips all the time. Last season showed us what heÂs capable of.
3. I completely agree with his football philosophy.
4. 3 years is enough time for a manager to show his maximum potential with a team, thatÂs how long id give him. We donÂt want to be swapping managers every season.
The only way IÂd want him out this season is if weÂre out of Europe and relegation is imminent in which another manager can get some "honeymoon" results and get us clear. IÂm 100% we wonÂt go down.
177 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:18:57
178 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:15:52
Can you believe that were cheering on our rivals to help us avoid relegation - as a poster has stated earlier think it was James Martin its our own fault we never let our feelings known - sit in the morgue that is Goodison Park and accept mediocrity because thatÂs the Everton way.
179 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:10:35
180 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:20:41
However, on a short term basis could he do any worse than RM? Or would he be our Alan Shearer?
RM out NOW.
181 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:22:44
182 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:17:49
183 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:20:04
Who says we canÂt afford to sack the useless idiot? These will be the numbers going through EarlÂs and GreenÂs head when they want their stakes paying back
184 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:17:30
At 2 down I though that might have been that but I knew, from the bottom of my heart that the 11 players on that pitch would run themselves into the ground to keep us up and that we would create chances.
185 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:19:42
187 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:19:42
188 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:19:29
189 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:07:12
190 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:21:20
Remind you of anyone?
191 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:23:53
192 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:06:33
Clearly part Moyes last season, letÂs be face it when Martinez did take over he took over a side that finished 6th, sadly this season we are now seeing Martinez stamp on Everton Football Club, he has had his ideaÂs, his pre-season, his set formation and his own philosophy.
This is what you have got and this is what your stuck with, unless Bill has actually seen what is going on???
Bill?? Ohhh Bill?? ... No didnÂt think so.
193 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:23:00
194 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:27:31
RM: ÂEvery game is a final nowÂ
Final nail in your career.
RM will never get another PL job.
196 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:22:26
There is little evidence to support your one season dip theory as this malaise set in following the Palace game last season and has gotten steadily worse and if this had been RobertoÂs first season in charge would we have stuck with him?
His philosophy may work in the long-term, but a club like ours has to get results in the here and now and try to ensure it remains in the top-flight any form of gambling with that, is lunacy and could see us in the wilderness for a decade or more.
A new manager appointed in the next week could re-ignite the fans and that could be enough to re-ignite the team, keeping the current incumbent will more than likely see the very opposite.
197 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:08:21
198 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:04:22
The problem at the club is Kenwright. HeÂs a phoney who has never kicked a ball in his life and simply doesnÂt understand football, I didnÂt want Martinez when he joined and just want him gone now. It was a poor lazy unimaginative choice by a man who clearly doesnÂt know the game. That is why we are up shit creek. He had picked a second rate manager from a second rate club. Tappy tappy may work in the lower leagues but it wonÂt work against well organised teams who can play as well.
199 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:26:05
200 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:25:53
201 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:28:17
As someone said earlier, Martinez has been protecting the players all season and it could be his downfall.
Also to those saying play 4 4 2 can any tell me,of another team that plays this way in the Premiership, teams donÂt use it anymore.
Guess thereÂs just 2 of us on here that want to stick with Martinez.
202 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:18:23
This last few weeks I have been saying we will not get relegated,but I am now getting anxious.
I donÂt know what the answer is for this team to be able to get a result in the league.
We are just awful, all over the pitch and there seems to be no fight for whatever reason.
Everton have 4 or 5 big time charlies who like to talk complete and utter shite, same as Martinez.
I can not make up my mind,if it would be the right or wrong decision to sack the manager at this stage of the campaign.
I can see Charlie Austin scoring against us, I can see us losing against the likes of Qpr,Burnley,Sunderland thatÂs where IÂm at - trying hard to keep the faith but despairing at the same time.
203 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:30:07
204 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:32:00
Yes, sound thought. I always thought the worst managers are those who could only step in and avoid a team getting relegated, but not take them far up the table. The worst is now a manger who takes two sides down in the space of a couple of seasons. FA Cup tin pot, my sweet arse.
205 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:36:01
Why does everyone believe that sacking a manager and bringing someone else in will make the players play any better.
Well, sticking with the manager has made the players worse so on that basis ......
It would take an absolute fuckwit to do any worse than RM has done since December.
RM Out NOW.
206 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:36:26
207 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:30:22
On our day, as weÂve shown in Europe this season, weÂre as good as anyone. WeÂre a match for any of the teams left in the comp.
6 points ÃƒÂ¬s a lot for these teams below to catch up. I can see us being comfortably clear by the end of the season.
I love the Barcelona etc style of play, Martinez has same philosophy. Whether heÂs good enough to deliver success with this philosophy is another matter but I want to give him every chance because thatÂs the way I believe football should be played.
208 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:39:09
209 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:39:12
210 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:40:23
ÂI believe thatÂs the way football should be played.Â
Jesus wept ......
211 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:40:50
So do I - and I love he players theyÂve got to be able to play that way.
213 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:34:31
Martinez is certainly going all out to break records at Everton.
214 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:41:51
ThatÂs exactly what we need right now - a short term survivalist. I donÂt know who but just anyone -
215 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:35:14
216 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:25:00
We battered them most of the second half but they were Stoke at the back and our front men were not good enough and the one who might have been, Mirallas, was on the bench. Its true that teams can read us and the full backs are well policed, this should leave space in the middle but Barkley and Barry have had poor seasons. As for the second goal tonight Lukaku canÂt hold the ball up consistently. Worrying, but there are easily three worse teams than us.
217 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:42:42
Do they know something we donÂt ?
218 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:36:57
We now have a small window of time/opportunity of 10 days before our next league game to sack Martinez and get someone else in. The Europa just doesnÂt matter at this stage IÂm afraid. We have to let the club know how the vast majority of us feel. Bombard them with emails. Here is one way: Link
219 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:42:43
Could a new man realistically do any worse? I donÂt think they could. Martinez is a dead man walking and needs putting out of his misery. Its just embarrassing now how low we have sunk.
220 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:38:47
If we donÂt get shut of him now then defenitely in the summer. He shouldnÂt be given the chance to do this to us again.
222 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:40:44
223 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:44:23
224 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:39:49
I, as an Everton Supporter, have had an enough of this disappointment. I hope it is very soon rather than off a later stage?
I know about Europe. However the league is more of an importance rather than anything else.
225 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:28:27
226 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:39:54
227 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:40:38
I have wanted him gone for some time and expressed reservations after the first 3 matches af LAST season. Wonder what heÂll say on MOTD.
228 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:16:04
Mirallas Kone and Ossie to start next game. McCarthy off the pace, Barry should never start again and Lukaku needs the riot act reading to him.
ItÂs too late to sack Relegation Roberto now, the fans should have made their feelings known 18 months ago.
229 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:45:10
Jeez, Gregory! This isnÂt about one poor game! Have you not noticed the run of results over the last few months? Take a big handful of LÂs, and a few DÂs, and maybe a W. Throw them up in the air and thatÂs us!
230 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:45:52
Can anyone tell me the hotline to BK - we really need to get something done here or we have all seen the last of Everton as a top-flight club in our lifetimes.
231 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:43:46
You can keep your short term "survivalist". "Survivalists" donÂt win trophies.
232 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:47:08
Stoke would be third in the league if it had started in January, so getting beat there of itself should not be a big surprise.
No disrespect but what a load of rubbish
If the league had started in January, where would we be?
233 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:42:41
Do you seriously see a Martinez side playing like Barcelona?
I see only slow, backwards, turgid, boring shite that got even worse than that because where we scraped the odd win before we now get beat every single game and the GD is solidly in negative territory. He tried the same "magic" formula with Wigan, it didnÂt work there. He tried it with much better players here, it hasnÂt worked here either. We are now on a worse points total per game than Wigan were in their relegation season; this is the worst points total at any time since 1926-27, adjusting for three points for a win.
Because Martinez says it, it doesnÂt mean it actually happens you know? This Emperor truly has no clothes whatsoever.
234 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:50:21
Just please tell me the connection between Barcelona and Everton? IÂm not seeing it.
236 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:51:40
You need to enhance the technology on here.
I need ÂScreamÂ mode.
237 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:50:39
238 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:50:08
239 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:50:58
The RS for all their faults would NEVER allow this to happen
We have a small club mentality and are happy to let Billy Bullshit walk all over us
Come the Newcastle game there will be no protest, IÂve tried before and been vilified for trying such
Only ourselves to blame
240 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:53:26
IÂm going into meltdown.
At this rate IÂll be gone before RM has.
241 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:47:01
Anyone else looking forward to a strike force of Marlon Harewood and Carlton Cole to get us back into the Preimer League?
242 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:54:33
243 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:44:15
In addition, the world and his wife know that if your conceding, go 4-4-2, keep it tight with 2 up top, or even 4-5-1 a la OFM, but he stuck to his ÂphilosophyÂ and its been downhill all the way.
HeÂs taken the best defence in the league and with the same personnel turned it into a sieve. Like you I hate clubs that change managers at the drop of a hat and thatÂs the reason I didnÂt want him sacked. But enough is enough, he must go.
244 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:43:30
246 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:58:00
His post match comments are scaring the shit out of me more with every passing game.
248 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:56:46
249 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:00:14
250 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:23:20
I expected us to struggle this season. I thought maybe a 10 or 12th position. So not that far off the mark. But relegation no chance. CanÂt see it, even if the football is dire.
Martinez, will be here next season. I have no doubt of that.
251 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:53:47
252 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:52:36
253 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:55:13
254 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:53:17
Martinez is from Catalonia, he has the same philosophy that the Barcelona system tries to employ to its players/teams.
As I said earlier, whether heÂs good enough to execute that philosophy is another matter. IÂd give him another year to do so.
255 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:59:42
Bollocks of an excuse..
"We havenÂt got the results that our performances deserve."
"We need bit of luck and momentum but itÂs not been that type of season."
A bit of luck? How about some decent tactics? Bollocks
256 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:00:35
257 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:59:54
258 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:42:06
I think part of the problem is that Martinez hasnÂt continued what he originally said heÂd do - Building on what we were already good at - grit, determination, hard work. All of which, seem to have gone out of the window this season. It makes me wonder if heÂs forgotten the winning formula, merging 2 philosophies that are like fire and ice, but he had managed to do last season where we had the best of both worlds.
I agree with Simon that the players should take more responsibility, but shouldnÂt have Martinez been a bit stronger and banished some of the big characters to the bench (IÂm specifically thinking Howard) but thereÂs other players to a lesser extent?
This seasons been tragic. I still think that we have to stick with him, and do our bit and get right behind the team. Who would you even get at this stage of the season? Duncan Ferguson (in house appointment) or the likes of Neil Warnock/Paul Lambert...No thanks!
259 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:04:56
260 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:04:55
I can see it now.
Barcelona football executed perfectly by EFC next year in a wonderful 2-0 win against Rotherham.
261 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:05:38
262 Posted 04/03/2015 at 22:56:58
Lukaku and BarryÂs touch is so poor itÂs like rebounding of a wall instead of a footballer.
Stoke may of had less of the ball but they all knew there jobs. Every team has found us out , they all pressurise us stright from the kick off.
Back to the dogs of war, get big Joe Royle for the next ten games he couldnÂt do worse than that useless c**t of a manager.
Kenwright act now for Gods sake
263 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:07:48
264 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:06:28
265 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:05:24
266 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:03:34
Milos 252 - I agree. ThatÂs what I said earlier. HeÂs got it all wrong with this formation. Especially after saying changing style would confuse players. It certainly did that.
I think heÂs just trying to shore up the defense but he should get back to putting players in their natural positions.
267 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:09:38
268 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:14:57
To be fair, I think the general reaction to his appointment (at least on TW) could be summarised as Âunderwhelmed but open-minded.Â
That was how I felt.
But his time is well up (and was after WBA at home).
269 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:12:40
270 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:01:16
271 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:18:57
272 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:02:19
The performance last season was good but it came with 3 players on loan, 2 we signed this season who are not performing at the same standard and a manager whoÂs philosophy is great if it works , but this season it is not . We will never be at the standard that Barcelona set but even they have changed their style this season after being exposed by Bayern Munich in the cup
We now have a manager who doeÂs not believe that there is any other way than he believes is right, and is to stubborn to change .So even if, and it is most likely we will not get relegated we will still have him next season. Stubborn Chairman stubborn Manager and neither is going to admit they made a mistake. .
273 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:07:25
274 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:19:07
275 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:19:30
276 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:18:40
277 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:11:43
278 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:04:06
I lov the education in the game my fellow TWÂers have given me plus the passion. Unfortunately the passion hurts.
Today on the nbc sports extra feed I used had Ian Crocker as lead and Barry Horne as the color. Barry Horne sounded like a fellow TWÂer the way he ripped them. The last time Barry was doing one of games I thought he hates us loves Arsenal. After 10 minute tonight I realized he was
One of us calling it like it it is. Praise was limited except for Stoke making the basics look easy and pointing out the pints that we have discuss ad nausea. Sure enough after the game looked hm up and he layedfor us.
279 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:23:17
280 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:27:37
About time someone made a stand.
281 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:20:31
282 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:30:25
283 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:19:58
ItÂs quite simple, he is a terrible manager.
No team should be in our current league postition with the players we have at the club.
285 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:30:26
286 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:22:25
Having a philosophy and executing it in the way you want are not the same thing. IÂve heard Martinez spouting his shite plenty of times this season and last and IÂve seen him fail 28 times and counting this season, and more last when he got lucky and sussed at the end. First European team that gets a video of us getting beat time after time will knock us out, guaranteed.
His philosophy doesnÂt work, Breaking News, we donÂt play like Barcelona, philosophy or not.
287 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:27:06
288 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:26:06
289 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:35:40
Not too Good To Go Down
290 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:31:43
Given that, why do people say that we simply canÂt go down? Where does that confidence come from? I am genuinely interested to know because I need some reassurance.
291 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:22:24
292 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:38:15
ItÂs not confidence.
ItÂs blind loyalty to a man rather than a club.
293 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:06:31
I want to take our team to, a food bank, to see how working families struggle, yes working families, then to Whitechapel centre, to see how homeless people live, then go on a trip with all our paramedics, any time, not just the weekends and see there passion. Then visit a factory, anywhere in the area, who are on ٤.50 an hour, if they are lucky, to which they work 12 hours a day, 7 days week, just to pay the bills.Then go to Alder hay, Clatter bridge, Fazakerley hospitals and see how much passion these people have, patients and doctors, These are the people who sit and support Everton Fc.
295 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:37:58
What a sad indictment of expectations that is though. Can you imagine that as a defence from a school in the league tables - "there are three worse schools than us"? How can some people here accept what the Catalan Clown has reduced us to, and how he has dismantled everything good about a stable, regular Top 6 club within 18 months?
296 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:43:02
297 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:44:36
Get rid and get rid soon. Grow a pair of balls BK and do the decent thing
298 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:50:17
299 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:55:44
....WeÂre worse than Wigan...
300 Posted 04/03/2015 at 23:33:10
In the case of Moyes, had he stayed on last season. I think weÂd have finished a little lower in the league and weÂd have had the knives to gunfight excuses. So Martinez did everything correctly last season and it wasnÂt Moyes work by Osmoses. ThereÂs a myriad of reasons why itÂs not worked this season, but the bottom line is that results havenÂt been good enough and the club will have some decisions to make in the summer.
Going back to KendallÂs swansong season, there wasnÂt this kind of vitriol and some of his signings and decision making were questionable to put it politely. We were in a relegation battle but I remember everyone got behind the team. I just think we need to try and get that kind of backing and hope it helps the players try that little bit harder. And to coin KendallÂs words "the Gwladys street noise will suck the goals in."
301 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:00:05
302 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:00:49
It is becoming more obvious by the week that the players are not well enough motivated to perform to their abilities in the Premier League, but seem capable enough to win in Europe.
As regards Kendall he had played for the club and managed the club previously and just about had enough of his legendary status to allow him some leeway - Martinez has the albatross of relegation on his CV and he cannot escape that fact which means he does not have the goodwill of too many Evertonians, many of whom made their feelings known from the outset and some like myself who thought he might achieve good things at Goodison despite not being totally convinced.
303 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:12:28
304 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:13:15
305 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:14:04
The pass, pass, pass philosophy comes undone when a teamÂs doing this poorly IMO, because a player low on confidence will give a 4 yard pass just to offload, rather than to pull the opposition out of position.
FFS Roberto go out for 0-0 draws til the end of the season, thatÂll see us home.
306 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:26:30
Long version; See above.
307 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:19:18
308 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:18:57
Other than that, Joe Royle, imagine what he would have done with 㿈 million to spend.
309 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:14:11
Everton couldnÂt beat Stoke tonight but in the form they were in before the game, I didnÂt think they would win.
310 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:23:58
No excuses for the shit we have endured this season. Non whatsoever.
Us fans are miserable as fuck. What do you think these players are doing now?
Certainly not going through the agony and misery we are all going through, thats for sure.
311 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:25:15
312 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:04:39
Now, if I can see whatÂs blatantly obvious, why oh why is BK so blind to it. Martinez had to go post-Christmas. He didnÂt. We threw away a Cup and a transfer window along with nine-games to get where we are now.
So, having called the 28-point total right, here is the next prediction. If one of the bottom three start winning a few games, weÂre relegated. Why? Because as long as Martinez is here, we are not in charge of our destiny. The table does not lie. We are on course for 38-points, yet any review of our remaining games in the light of the appalling Leicester result will show all to be challenging. I think 35-points is probable.
Just to put that in context - the average points needed to survive since the turn of the century is 38.5.
Again, the apologists will scoff. I note their current line is Âwe wonÂt get relegated, too many poor teams below usÂ. ThatÂs what Leeds and Newcastle said.
I promise you, our current run is what relegation looks like. Any notion that a team designed to push for Europe will somehow conquer relegation six-pointers is laughable, and our results show that. And believe you me, every team in the Prem will be hoping we go down, making every game a huge, unfamiliar challenge to our team. Ask yourself, who will roll their sleeves up and fight rather than call the agent and seek out. I see few lads prepared to lead, especially in attack.
All in all, IÂm afraid we fiddled while Rome burned. Any in coming manager will have a big challenge and no chance to bring anyone in. Plus IÂm not sure we could attract anyone of calibre now, leaving us with a Royle-type option...hardly a solution to the type of hard to motivate Âget me outta hereÂ player that I described in the last paragraph.
So, looks to me like our future is out of our hands. Too late to change now. IÂll scream and support with my heart, but my head cannot see us staying up IF one of the teams in the bottom three start winning. Maybe we get lucky and stay up because they donÂt start winning. But the fact that weÂre now relying on luck is the shameful result of certain elements, fans and Club, allowing Martinez the free ride to stink the place out with his BS when the end result of his antics was as obvious as 28-points at 28 games.
314 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:38:53
315 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:34:46
316 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:30:04
So many players seem to be struggling for one reason or the other whilst others simply arenÂt good enough. Take Naismith for example. Works his arse off and will run all day but this is all to no avail whilst he has the ability of a championship player. His first touch is awful and his second touch is usually a tackle!! Yet he is one of the first names on most teamsheets.
Stevie Wonder can see that BarryÂs legs have well and truly gone and how many of his 10 yellows have been as a result of this?? Yet week in week out heÂs out there as 1st choice. How??
Coleman has gone backwards this year. His defending still causes heart failure and going forward he rarely looks like he has the ball under control and appears to get a cross in more by luck than judgement
Howard is another past his sell by date. Stokes sub keeper is better than our 1st choice!! FFS STOKE!!!!!
We pay a huge sum for a striker then starve him of proper service then call him "shit". HeÂs only 21 so letÂs reserve judgement on that one for now.
WhatÂs happened to the best English talent in the last 20yrs?? Whoever that is itÂs certainly isnÂt ross Barkley!! ItÂs clear to see why david Moyes didnÂt pick him.
Yet Martinez picks these players week in week out and we go from bad to worse as each week passes. He talks a lot but says nothing. He is taking us straight to the championship and yet some seem unable to see that.
Look at the sos1878 site for some of the most deluded views around.
WeÂre in a mess and I think we shud be grateful that Leicester burnley and qpr are even worse!!! Everyone goes on about how bad villa are yet we are only 3 points above them and still to go to their place with the impetus of them having a new manager - even if itÂs as big a bluffer as Martinez!!
317 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:44:40
IÂm afraid we fiddled while Rome burnt. The apologists won their ego-led ÂIÂm rightÂ, post-Moyes-tinted defence of Martinez. The time for change was mid-January. ItÂs now too late to replace Martinez as we simply wonÂt get a manager of the calibre to interest the players I just listed.
All we can do now is hope the bottom three keep losing, pray we pick up a few points ourselves (though after Leicester, where they come from, I donÂt know), get rid of Martinez as soon as weÂre safe and then replace with an inspirational manager - de Boer etc. That way we might just avoid the great exodus. That said though, if one of the bottom three start winning...weÂre screwed.
318 Posted 05/03/2015 at 01:10:48
"Anything less than a win on Wednesday at Stoke City would mean a record low points total after 28 games in the Premier League."
"Using three points for a win, only in the 1926-27 would Everton have ever had a lower points total at the same stage of the season."
In the Premier League era alone, Walker, Kendall #3 and Smith didnÂt survive with such a poor return.
319 Posted 05/03/2015 at 01:21:49
320 Posted 05/03/2015 at 01:39:54
We have no fighters in the team to get us out of this relegation fight like the 1990s.
321 Posted 05/03/2015 at 01:24:41
Then again, I wonder whether heÂll be influenced more by Moyes second season, keeping faith and being rewarded in the long-term.
If it is the latter, he should pause. MoyesÂ second season does not compare with Martinez. Moyes team was the cumulative result of years of poor squad building. Today, our squad is far, far better than then. There is, in my view, zero comparison.
That said, IÂm not sure BK has much choice in what he can do.
Would canning Martinez resolve the nuanced questions of motivation within a squad, especially in attack, where so many are probably looking to move on (Rom, Kev, McCarthy, Seamus, Atsu, Luke, Ross etc)? Sure, Martinez is the problem, but the time to sensibly recruit went in January. No inspirational manager, eg de Boer, would come at this time to manage a team in this position. Instead, weÂd be looking at a ÂBig JoeÂ type option - would that really win round the demotivated attack? Granted, I think someone (anyone!) could tighten defence, but itÂs attack thatÂs going to be key.
IÂm afraid that wilful-blindness to our perilous situation by some has combined with procrastination. Rome burned while some fiddled the Martinez BS. January was the time to act. It came and went. Despite screaming for Martinez to be sacked for months, I now see no option but to retain him, hope for a few points ( though after Leicester, God knows where they come from!), pray no one in the bottom three start winning, cross fingers and toes that he wins the Europa and gets us in Europe (long shot, I know!), then sack him as soon as weÂre safe, then get a top replacement before the players go for their holiday/get on the phone to their agents! Honestly, I think thatÂs the best we can do/hope for.
Unsatisfactory? Yes. But I see no other viable alternative. We simply have no choice but to carry on the Martinez chaos, hoping for the best. ItÂs HobsonÂs choice, but unless BK has a great manager waiting in the wings that will fire the imagination of those players that want out, I just donÂt see a Royle type option (because I think that is now the only option open to us) having the time or carrots to effect a motivated attack. How the hell we got in this situation...well, the pro-Martinez lobby have a lot to answer for!
That said, at the end of the season there must be a reckoning for why we got into this position. Some need to take a long, hard look at where blind-support and overly positive sentiment have brought us. I predicted weÂd be on 28-points at 28games as far back as game 19. Why couldnÂt others see the same stark staringly obvious outcome?
322 Posted 05/03/2015 at 01:21:51
Our expectations and optimism for this season, based on last seasonÂs promise of a long overdue reinstatement of the ÂSchool of ScienceÂ kind of football weÂve been weaned on, have been shattered by MartinezÂs rank and bizarre decision making this term.
I fucking hate cronyism: Howard, Barry, to a lesser extent Baines. Really rankles when individual form and fitness matters fuck-all to team line-up and shape. A "bad moment" to be an Evertonian...
323 Posted 05/03/2015 at 01:49:21
I see it this way: The manager enthuses about EvertonÂs performance after losing 1-0 at home to Rotherham.
324 Posted 05/03/2015 at 02:11:14
Mike Hughes #280 PMSL, thanks for the only bright spot in this depressing yet predicable night.
325 Posted 05/03/2015 at 00:34:33
You have the right to your oppinion, you make some valid points, however look at the facts. Your wishful thinking is as bad as the manager.
I also agree with the post about the crowd playing there part, but again how can we collectively muster good vibes while watching shite football wrong tactics and half arsed players.
Give us something to cheer about, the biggest cheer would be to see a new manager . That would give us some belief that we can turn it around, because at this moment in time most of us have lost heart.
For all the will in the world I just cant see Martinez being sacked and can see us going down. I hope im wrong about at least one of them.
326 Posted 05/03/2015 at 02:34:13
328 Posted 05/03/2015 at 03:16:02
CanÂt sleep after watching our latest ÂperformanceÂ just had a look at the fixtures before we play the Barcodes a week on Sunday.
Going to have nightmares now, if the results go against us we could be 16th, level on points with QPR in 17th and just three points off Aston Villa and QPR in 18th and 19th...
Lose heavily against the barcodes and again to QPR a week later could then see us in 19th...
RobertoÂs dream is turning into a fucking nightmare!
329 Posted 05/03/2015 at 03:01:31
I never wanted Martinez at Everton. And I have voiced that many times. And I donÂt hold with all this talk about how wonderful last season was. I watched some rubbish from Everton last season, Believe me. And I watched a few lucky wins. Games that could have gone either way. And we went tamely out of the domestic cups. As usual. Last season was ok. And Martinez got lucky in a few games. But he slipped up badly in every game that really counted. The games that would have really put Everton in poll position. Martinez always fell short. No plan B.
Roll on to what is happening now. Martinez is always falling short. He is not even getting the odd lucky win. Every team has caught on how to play against us. And still no plan B. There never will be a plan B.
We just might under Martinez manage to avoid relegation. But only because there are a few worse teams than us in this league. Lucky we have that 6 point lead on them. That is the sad indictment of our season.
And Martinez still at our club next season. That is an ever sadder indictment.
How anybody can defend Martinez this season is beyond me. And how anyone thinks that he will turn us into Barcelona. Jeez-U-S-Christ. Taxi please, For Martinez and Tommy. They can discuss their philosophies. Or nonsense.
WonÂt mention the Europa League. Because we are a long way from actually winning this competition.( to listen to some people, you would think we were in the final). The league comes first. Always will.
My team is Everton. Always was, and always will be. We just canÂt walk away. That is not an option. But youngsters watching this present Everton team under Martinez, will be having other ideas. They like good football. Not clueless dross. Martinez needs to go, before he destroys this club, before he decimates the future fan base , before he destroys us financially, Before he kills this club. I am serious. We go down. We will struggle to get back up.
People worrying about his pay off. That would be nothing compared to losing the soul of Everton Football Club. Rant over. FOREVER EVERTON.
330 Posted 05/03/2015 at 05:19:35
331 Posted 05/03/2015 at 05:58:52
To everyone talking about 40 points and being safe - thereÂs a very good chance about 36 points will be plenty, even 34/35 could do it this season.
Nothing has changed really since last night - weÂre still 6 points, 7 if you count our goal difference above the bottom 3.
Leicester, Burnley and QPR are the 3 teams that will keep us up. The manager is banking on it.
Is he the most arrogant, stubborn manager of all time?
332 Posted 05/03/2015 at 07:09:39
333 Posted 05/03/2015 at 07:25:22
334 Posted 05/03/2015 at 07:30:09
335 Posted 05/03/2015 at 07:23:16
The relegation issue, whilst also VERY important, is secondary to the main issue.
Whether we liked or disliked or were nonplussed by RMÂs appointment surely we are all ready for a new appointment.
Our points tally is pitiful and entirely inexcusable given the amount of talent in our squad. Our style of play is entirely predictable. By "style of play" I mean what we actually do during matches and not what we are theoretically aiming to do eventually at some undisclosed point in the future.
336 Posted 05/03/2015 at 07:56:56
Plus there’s a pay-off and we all know how Uncle Bill feels about rummaging around under the sofa cushions.
Oh, and the not insignificant question of who takes over? Serious, available targets seem few & far between if you ask me. And when I say serious, I don’t mean Koeman or De Boer as so often quoted by people on here - never gonna happen when you run a tin-pot organisation like Everton, with a shitty old stadium, and nothing but history to make us great.
We’re kinda fucked with the small-town, small-minded, short-sighted mentality that everyone has become so familiar with and (in many cases) accepting of. Passive little Everton, the sleeping giant.
337 Posted 05/03/2015 at 07:56:05
339 Posted 05/03/2015 at 08:30:08
341 Posted 05/03/2015 at 08:41:52
343 Posted 05/03/2015 at 09:07:50
344 Posted 05/03/2015 at 09:08:30
Martinez is not the only fool backing Everton.
345 Posted 05/03/2015 at 09:08:01
The Europa League is now irrelevant. Premiership status is the priority.Martinez needs to go - I,ve supported our wee team for 35 + years, and I never felt so down, and depressed as I do now. This idiot must not be allowed to destroy our great club. If he had any decency he would step aside.
I will cheer on the team on Thursday evening, but I’m dreading our next leaque game. We need inspiration from somewhere !!!!
346 Posted 05/03/2015 at 09:16:43
347 Posted 05/03/2015 at 09:29:15
348 Posted 05/03/2015 at 09:19:06
We have no friendly local press to apply pressure as they used to, as theyÂre only interested in the RS nowadays and so the fans are ignored and taken for granted. Kenwright is like an absentee landlord, living in London, while Everton FC rots and squanders their Premier League riches. This has gone on for two decades and itÂs going to take a massive demonstration before, during and after the next home game to finally start the beginning of the end for the phony cartel who have taken our club from us and almost ruined it beyond repair.
349 Posted 05/03/2015 at 09:25:45
350 Posted 05/03/2015 at 09:30:27
351 Posted 05/03/2015 at 09:38:45
352 Posted 05/03/2015 at 09:29:22
He should have gone at Christmas.
BK's faith in him spells disaster.
354 Posted 05/03/2015 at 10:12:30
We had most of the possession (57%), more shots on target (5:3) and one more corner (6:5) and still got stuffed 2-0.
Dreading every game now
355 Posted 05/03/2015 at 11:09:23
I suspect in Roberto's world that will only convince him he's doing the right thing and it's just bad luck.
He seems to ignore the really important stat, 28 points from 28 games.
He's a dud who got lucky last year with someone else's team. Look at his record but more importantly look at his signings to get the measure of the man.
356 Posted 05/03/2015 at 11:16:40
358 Posted 05/03/2015 at 11:22:35
Does it really matter what team Martinez now puts out. They are shackled from the start. We need the old dogs of war approach. At least long enough to see us to safety. But play the proper "dogs of war" style. Pump high balls into the opposition half. Especially their penalty area. Chase every ball. Tackle every ball. Play two forwards. Make opposition defenders earn their money. Fight. Scrap. Die for the club. FFS. Time is running out. We need results now.
And remember that Joe Royle's dogs of war did not piss about with pissy passy nonsense in their own third. Not pretty , I know. But what exactly is the rubbish we ate now getting. This is now all about getting a few results. By whatever means. I don't think that I will live long enough, to see us turn into Barcelona. So for now it has to be the "Dogs of war" approach.
Emotions running high last night. And as I have said at times, it is not about losing the odd football match. We cannot win all the time. It is about the complete capitulation of this team, this season. And the complete lack of ideas on how to turn this around. The lack of fitness. The lack of fight. The lack of any tactical nous. The lack of how important set pieces can be, whether taking or defending . The lack of clean sheets. The lack of goals. The lack of actually making a meaningful substitution at the right time in a match. The list is endless.
People saying that this group of players need to step up. Well yes I agree with that. All misfiring players need to look at themselves. But ultimately everything is down to the manager. His philosophy. His style. His decisions. His team. No more excuses. As already said on here, how long would Martinez get at Man U , or Across the park.
And yes , the silence is deafening from our chairman. When is he going to act? What's that old first world war saying, Lions led by Donkeys. Well in Everton's case, its Rabbits led by Donkeys. Some bloody combination. Lets hope that a few of the rabbits grow a pair. And quick.
This is all just a bit flat at present. But once more into the breach we all trod. Another must win game in Sunday week. The law of averages say we have to win sometime. So will somebody please tell Bobby Brown Shoes that. COME ON YOU BLUES. Some time this season. Thank you.
359 Posted 05/03/2015 at 12:30:19
The next obvious step would be to win the Champions league with Real Madrid and get them relegated from La Liga, with the ultimate aim being; winning the world cup with Brazil and having them immediately denounced as a recognised country.
361 Posted 05/03/2015 at 12:42:36
We may go through against Kiev into the quarters but I think that's as far as it'll go. Unfortunately, if its true that Martinez' sacking pay off is somehow linked to the EL then we may have to wait until April before he's shown the door - god only knows where we'll be in the league by then. Then again if we can somehow just scrape/fluke 3 points at home to Newcastle, then we'll be within touching distance of safety - so close and yet so far.
On another note I am amazed how little there is in the press about Marinez' job. I cannot find one article after the Stoke game asking whether he's going to be sacked soon. After 1 win in 12, that is really really odd.
362 Posted 05/03/2015 at 13:17:54
364 Posted 05/03/2015 at 14:03:44
365 Posted 05/03/2015 at 14:03:57
I do not, however, think that Martinez will be sacked before the end of the season, and he will definitely be with us next season if we survive; and so I must hope that you and the author of the article are right and that I am wrong.
366 Posted 05/03/2015 at 14:04:37
No player looks too bothered to me; no-one is hurting, our football is fucking painful to watch, nowt seems to change from game to game... and that useless twat Barry always gets a game! Mirallas sums up our squad Â– all fur coat and no knickers and it seems heÂs also made of fucking glass!
Howard is in the States already, it seems; McCarthy is average at best (㾹 mill)... jeez, even our best player going foward has been a fucking defender (Garbutt).
Bring in anyone who can instill a bit of pride and can start to address our piss-poor footballing records... Fuck it, I just want the Blues to win a cup, starting with one we have never won (the League Cup) and build from there, then the Europa League... then the Super Cup. Call it the new Holy Trinity to aim for!
367 Posted 05/03/2015 at 15:14:56
368 Posted 05/03/2015 at 16:01:41
We either run for the exit or go down fighting. I say fight like fury but.......Martinez please go and go now. We need a General at the helm not Captain fuckin Mainwareing.
Jeez BK if you love this club, Act.
369 Posted 05/03/2015 at 16:18:48
Thursday, 12 March 2015
Everton vs Dynamo Kiev
Sunday, 15 March 2015
Everton vs Newcastle
Thursday, 19 March 2015
Dynamo Kiev vs Everton
Sunday, 22 March 2015
QPR vs Everton
Saturday, 04 April 2015
Everton vs So'ton
Saturday, 11 April 2015
Swansea vs Everton
Saturday, 18 April 2015
Everton vs Burnley
Sunday, 26 April 2015
Everton vs Man Utd
Saturday, 02 May 2015
A Villa vs Everton
Saturday, 09 May 2015
Everton vs S'land
Saturday, 16 May 2015
West Ham vs Everton
Sunday, 24 May 2015
Everton vs Tottenham
370 Posted 05/03/2015 at 16:32:33
371 Posted 05/03/2015 at 16:51:02
First the team. If Lukaku is not going to score for us because he is facing 3 defenders and has no service then who is going to get the goals?
Mirallas? No, his head has been turned, Barkley? He canÂt even beat the first man at the moment? Coleman? Only if he can get forward more often. Stones looks really classy at the back but him and Jags are too weak when it comes to dominating forwards
3 defensive midfielders most games means our entire game is played in our third. We donÂt have a playmaker, donÂt tell me that Osman is going to save us, Barkley is struggling and Gibson is not the answer
Will Kenwright sack RM after painting a mural about him, giving him a 5 year contract and drooling live on TV about him? No! because he will look a twat!!
Is Howard the worst keeper in the perm? probably
all in all we need to get a fucking grip asap...
372 Posted 05/03/2015 at 16:49:59
These facts are the reason that Martinez has to be sacked now. Any new regime will be free to prioritise the league; Martinez cannot. So staying in the EL puts our PL status at risk. You only have to look at RM's body language to see that he's gone. He has to be replaced before he's taken us with him.
373 Posted 05/03/2015 at 17:46:35
And imagine playing away at a top team then getting beat 4-0 only to cme back and play a few days later away to Rotherham...
374 Posted 05/03/2015 at 18:50:07
I actually like the guy and he is probably polite to everyone he meets. The chairman should ask Joe Royal to act as a mentor to Roberto and give a honest account of how we are playing and what is needed to improve results. The manager has no one to turn to at the club in a senior footballing capacity. He appears to be in a rut with formation and style and can't see beyond this.
If the manager cannot take up this opportunity then he has to go. The club is bigger than any manager and board. Any manager that is not willing to change things when results are so bad, then your finished. Wigan never finished above fifteenth in the league, under our manager. He must change or he might never get a job in football again.
375 Posted 05/03/2015 at 22:09:39
376 Posted 05/03/2015 at 22:20:30
377 Posted 05/03/2015 at 22:53:08
Can you imagine what Joe Royle would have achieved, had he had the 㿈 million to spend.
378 Posted 05/03/2015 at 23:00:28
381 Posted 06/03/2015 at 15:46:29
382 Posted 06/03/2015 at 15:54:17
383 Posted 06/03/2015 at 15:32:13
I remember blue blue Bill saying "as soon as RM explained how his Wigan team battered us and dumped us out of the FA cup his mind was made up". No mention of Phil Neviles stinking horrific back pass (he never played for us again after that, yes it was that bad).
I suppose once he had been listening to David Moyes for over 10 years RM's ideas must have sounded fresh and new at the time, it all looked great on the pitch too, but now he seems bereft of ideas. The buzz about the place and the feeling of, wow this fella is going to take us to new heights, that feeling has well and truly ebbed away, something drastic has to happen and very soon, the only problem I have is who do we want to replace him? I did mention big Joe two days ago on a short term thing, as for long term no one at all springs to my mind, I've got nish idea.
Who here can throw a few names in the hat experienced enough, and more importantly would be a good fit for our great club?
384 Posted 06/03/2015 at 18:39:46
Play 2 wingers and Barkley behind Lukaku too!!
385 Posted 06/03/2015 at 19:29:53
It's nothing to do with form, luck, tactics or pre season. No.
It's all because we all pushed for the change of the badge.
We had the most piss poor badge in our history yet had the best season in years so what do we do? Complain about the badge and get it changed. What happens? We get a new decent badge and the team plays like a team who !!! Well they just don't play like a team (domestically).
Bring back the tin man badge !!!
Just a thought like.
Also another point to ponder.
To anyone old enough to remember the dire joke of a manager that was Mike Walker, his record for us was 31 games with 6 wins and 9 draws yielding 27 points !!! Compare that to Martinez this season in the league 28 games, 6 wins and 10 draws mean that we have took one massive step back in time here !!! Do I want him sacked ? I would love to see him turn it around but unfortunately I think he is out of ideas and out of his depth so let's get someone in who can stop this rot and give us a glimmer of hope for next year !!! Coyb's
387 Posted 08/03/2015 at 11:35:11
I just wanted to comment on the players in those days. Almost all of our teams recruited lads from Orrel Pleasure. Forty pitches of cinders from the power station for the kids to play on Â– no lawnmowers, just steam rollers to make flat unmarked pitches each week. Every single kid would have given his life to play for Everton (or Liverpool) and I remember well those Derby days of local kids getting 㿅 a week to thrill us at Goodison and Anfield. They would never have let this chaos happen to their team and we as fans loved it... and loved them.
I feel that the money in todayÂs game has killed off motivation and I am so sorry for all you unhappy guys like me who spend their lives in support. All Scousers are moaners... part of our culture.
If only we could get a strong manager to make our teams from kids from Bootle and Old Swan, instead of greedy players with unpronouncable names from the jungles of Africa. There is no better ÂheartÂ than a Scousers Heart, why look further.
Good Luck My Everton, I wish I was able to see you just once more. COYB...
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