Reports on Friday and Saturday had suggested that the Dutchman had come to an agreement over personal terms with the Blues with his with Rob Jansen quoted by Voetbal International as saying: "We have reached an aggrement with Everton, Now it is up to the clubs."
Jansen has since claimed he had been misquoted in the Dutch press and that talks between the Blues and Saints were still ongoing but all indications are that everything has been resolved, with a settlement as high as £5m.
"That's really not the case," Jansen had said in reference to the deal being done and all terms agreed with Koeman. "First, the clubs must have agreed. Then we get back into action. I can not say whether his brother Erwin will go along as an assistant. That's all still premature now. Let's just quietly wait if the clubs come to an agreement."
The final details regarding the makeup of Koeman's back room staff are believed to have been one of outstanding issues but they, too, look to be settled. Fitness coach Jan Kluitenberg has been mentioned as one man who would come north with his compatriot while goalkeeping coach David Watson is another but the latter looks set to stay on the south coast. Sammy Lee is not believed to be a candidate to join the Blues' coaching setup — he has been talked about in terms of joining Rafael Benitez at Newcastle United.
Koeman has left the country again on holiday, leaving Jansen to complete the formalities of his switch to Goodison but while his official unveiling to the media is unlikely to take until next week, his absence should not preclude the announcement by Everton within the next couple of days.
Update 7 June: Following reports to the same effect by the BBC and Sky Sports, Koeman's agent Jansen has told the Liverpool Echo that all aspects of the deal have now been agreed. Confirmation is now expected from the two clubs.
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1 Posted 05/06/2016 at 13:39:07
Don't know why, but to me, something doesn't seem right with all what's going on. Koeman is meant to be our Number 1 target and apparently we're willing to pull out all the stops to get our man, offer him double your money in wages and massive funds, yet we're haggling over ١-4 million in compensation?! Didn't we pay Wigan around ٣m for Martinez under the old regime?! Surely ١-4m under the Moshiri regime is just a drop in the ocean to him, especially if he's willing to pay Koeman around ٤-7m a year and money seems to be no object on that front?!
Could it be possible that Koeman's agent Rob Jansen is using us to get has much has possible out of Southampton with regards to a new deal and funds for future building etc?!...
2 Posted 05/06/2016 at 13:51:12
3 Posted 05/06/2016 at 13:57:59
4 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:00:56
5 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:16:04
Why don't the morons in the media cease and desist from reporting conjecture. I guess it just proves most of them have no talent for their work and just make up stories which, let's face it, any child can do.
6 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:16:06
If Southampton do strike some poses then Moshiri doesn't seem the sort to hang around and wait.
7 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:19:03
8 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:20:06
9 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:29:00
10 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:29:20
11 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:30:23
Let's not waste any more time. Pre season arrangements have to be made, transfer targets identified and signed, Hibbo's wake organised etc....
12 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:33:24
13 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:48:06
Deep breath chill out. If he comes he comes if not we move on there are still other managers out there that are up to the job. Lazy Sunday afternoon.
14 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:49:47
15 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:52:24
17 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:01:47
Everton have not uttered one word in public as to whether they are interested in Koeman or not, obviously the local press and the bookies seem convinced that the Saints boss is Goodison bound as they run stories about Ronald on an hourly basis, and the bookmakers have almost closed the book on Koeman becoming the next Everton manager.
Supporting Everton for some people seems to be a replacement for kicking the cat, anything remotely negative that has the name Everton attached to it, is pounced upon with almost gleeful relish.
By this time tomorrow evening Koeman may well be the new manager of Everton, if he isn't then the club has to alter its targets and move on. No disgrace in that situation really is there? Particularly if the club is aiming for the best person available to fill the vacancy.
18 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:03:39
There is so much information and uninformative journalism thrown around for something to write about, that people will still believe Elvis is alive if enough publicity is written about it.
The only thing I look for when I log on to TW is a picture of someone holding up an Everton shirt with the caption, that "This is Everton's new manager".
It sounds like to me that Koeman's agent is not even sure what is going on.
19 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:05:40
There's a mountain of tripe come from the media, after all their in the entertainment business, making money is their first priority.
I think it will happen, whens another matter.
20 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:07:12
This hang up is a very normal thing. It'll get sorted one way or the other, and if Moshri wants Koeman he'll get him.
If Moshri feels he's been duped or screwed somehow and takes an 11th hour pass on Koeman?
Fine. Again not sure why I just trust him.
It'll all be fine in the end.
21 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:07:57
"Aww, tired of this shit now. If there's no agreement by tomorrow let's move on."
Seriously? Maybe get you in Colin, you a top negotiator?
22 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:08:20
Koeman only got back from the Caribbean at the end of the week.
FFS, I'd hate to see some of the panic merchants on here in a real "situation".
23 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:08:31
We were in shit street when Martinez was here and we are still in it. Any manager of note will be snapped up soon enough, and as per we will be linked to the dregs.
48 hours is a long time in football, especially in close season, teams are already signing players for next season and we don't even have a manager.
No, I won't and can't relax until we have a done deal for whoever Moshiri wants.
24 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:08:42
25 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:11:13
However, managers' contracts are like players' contracts: if he wants out ,Southampton will let him go otherwise, he could cause complete havoc.
Ignore the press and wait for the official word. They're just trying to sell papers and be first to the story. And his agent's just playing the game too isn't he. Relax.....
27 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:13:09
Yeah, because that makes sense if he really is the clubs number one choice by a considerable margin. Give up and go for someone lower down the list at the very first hurdle?
It's been a couple of days since the news broke, Colin. No need to come over like you've been left waiting around longer than that Grail guarding, got-to-be-bored-out-of-his-brains, Richard Branson resembling, beardy quilt of a Knight who completely ruined the end of Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade.
Obviously, Southampton aren't going to just roll over and give Everton what they want, when they want, if they're adverse to losing the guy. Why would/should they? They'll look to resist the inevitable for as long as they can if they believe there's still any possibility of changing Koeman's mind. It may prove to be nothing more than simple posturing at this point, digging their heels in to save face and show a bit of fight for the fans benefit but, until they give the nod, nothing can (be seen to) proceed.
28 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:14:43
Come up with a tune for Koeman from the song 'Da Do Ron Ron'.
29 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:17:37
I don't put the blame on cats regarding all things Everton, I hate cats though. So I will continue to expect thing's to go wrong with Everton as when they do I'm not too disappointed.
30 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:25:51
Went for Ron on the Saturday and our hearts stood still
Didn't get him on the Sunday and Dave said chill
Patrick said Paul calm down and take a pill
Uncle bill said let's get Davy in, if looks could kill
Da do Ron Ron ron da do Ron Ron.
32 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:31:36
'Ah, all things come to those who wait,'
(I say these words to make me glad),
But something answers soft and sad,
'They come, but often come too late.'
I don't believe it will be too late to appoint a manager even if it goes into the start of the Euro's there is no panic yet - better to get the best person than to rush into an ill-judged appointment.
33 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:33:21
The Grail guard was a tosser. His job was pointless cause if anyone nicked the cup the whole place went down in an earthquake. We don't have to worry or not worry about earthquakes at Goodison but naturally people are a bit frustrated that we are offering King Solomons gold to the littlest Hobo and we can't even get it over the line.
34 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:36:15
The hold up might be over a salary for Koeman's brother or over image rights or anything.
Contracts take time to agree. There's got to be back and forth between the lawyers and the club's over compensation, then back and forth between the lawyers over the management contract, then back and forth over the backroom staff salaries, compensation etc etc. Rarely is it a case of agents, officials and lawyers round the table and things thrashed out then and there. Plus a lot of people are probably not working over the weekend. There's no reason for lawyers to lose their weekend to rush this deal through.
It'll go through when it goes through. Koeman will be an asset if he comes. Not the big name that will pull in massive players but a solid choice and man who knows the league.
First job is get as much money for Lukaku as possible.
35 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:36:40
Just do one Ron, Ron, Just do one Ron
Don't know whose fault it is but I'm blaming Bill
Just do one Ron, Ron, Just do one Ron
Yeah, Colin's heart stood still
Bet it was fucking Bill,
This thing's going slower than a one legged gnome,
Just do one Ron, Ron, just do one Ron
38 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:40:07
39 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:41:27
The agent seems to have re stated or (this is a laugh clarified that the discussions between the clubs are ongoing)
Now either the agent is a bit of a dickhead (possible) or he is saying that negotiations are ongoing between the clubs. There is nothing new to whast he has first said, that I can see.
What needs clarifying is whether a) our club has sought permission to talk to him and his agent. The agent has originally been quoted as saying that Koeman has agreed personal terms and that it is now between the clubs.
If talks are still ongoing, as the agent is saying, then there appears to be no difference to his first quote.,
Now I'm going for a lie down as my head's spinning.
I can't see Mr Moshiri going about any negotiations/discussions, arse about face, so I think we'd be better off seeing what the morrow brings.
40 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:41:42
The rest is gobshite so called journalists guessing, recycling other articles as their own and mis quoting people. Knobheads!
That was always the Everton way of doing things when we had some success.
Once it happens it will be announced.
44 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:57:16
Nothing happens really smoothly and brinkmanship seems to be quite normal for us!
45 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:58:45
Such shamless publicity-seekers - on the backs of someone else's fame and fortune.
They really are more vile, self-centred, vain and slimy than some of the people they 'represent'.
Starting to get a hint of imminent egg-on-our-face here...
Too many of us starting to count our chickens. Me included.
46 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:01:20
I thought that was made pretty clear when he asked Indy to come closer because his eye's don't work so well anymore? Can't blame the guy. What else was he going to get up to in there? As for that fountain he was sat by, the one the Nazi used to fill the cup up with? Like a swig of water would cause that sort of reaction?
Then you've got his very final appearance. Was he waving goodbye or victoriously signalling the fact he'd managed to fit in one last shuffle?
47 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:04:12
49 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:08:05
No immediate rush, not many transfers will happen during the Euros anyway, hopefully this will be sorted in the next day or two.
50 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:14:33
P.S. I still think it will be Pellegrini when the dust settles. This is all manouevering on everyone's part
51 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:16:34
What I am not happy with are the dregrading and disgraceful comments about the 'Grail Knight' (not guard). The man is a legend. The delivery of these lines
"You have chosen...wisely."
These lines could be delivered to Moshiri regarding his choice of manager.
I suspect the Grail Knight is disliked on here because he has incredible patience, which is clearly lacking on here.
Can there be punishment for Kieran? Calling him a 'tosser' was the height of disrespect.
52 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:19:24
Add to that Pochettino and Ranieri's success with current clubs and I'm surprised Ronald is considered the guy to spearhead an assault on a top 4 finish.
His Premier League record is on a par with Moyes and his cup record with Martinez.
53 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:22:55
54 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:25:24
55 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:26:42
What I think could improve Everton is having you as club psychologist, John, cheer everyone up and make them feel super confident. After your one-one session with RK, he addresses the squad: "listen lads I know Klopp et al don't fear me as I'm pretty rubbish, but try your best."
56 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:28:33
And to John Daley if you put water in my scotch,you will see that sort of reaction from me....
57 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:38:07
58 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:49:43
After a lazy performance from Rom and he sups some water and subsequent disintegration:
"He chose...poorly; his Father is next."
Cue an enormous shift in effort and attitude from everyone.
He could be our 'water boy'.
60 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:10:10
61 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:25:41
Absolutely, spot on with your comments.
62 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:26:22
63 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:30:11
If there was a poll as to 'Who would you want as manager of your club, Klopp or Koeman?' I'm sure it would be in favour of Klopp.
You seem to have something to say on just about everything at the moment, so please, why is Koeman the guy to get the better of the highly successful managers I mentioned?
64 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:31:13
Even more spot on than Ged Simpson(9) if that's possible.
Well said mate.
65 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:44:29
You may not call the Dutch league a 'major' one but at the end of the day Spain only has 3 teams that compete for the title and Germany only really has 2 (or even 1 now). Also Liverpool only managed to finish 8th (although I really do rate Klopp). Everyone raves about Guadiola but he's managed Barca with Messi et al and Bayern who are miles better/richer than anyone else in the league. Hardly a massive achievement winning the BL or Liga A with the players he had. Looking forward to seeing what he can do with City, with a lot more competition in the league.
RK has improved S'ton in each of the two years he's been there so let's see what he can do with us (when he eventually comes). Not expecting to win the league next year but I am expecting to finish a lot better than 11th. Leicester have shown everyone that the sky 4/5 are no longer a million miles better. Every team now has so much cash that the playing field has been truly levelled. Chelsea and Liverpool didn't even qualify for Europe last season!
66 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:53:39
He'll never have faced a WBA or a Stoke, away from home, on a cold winters day. As he's quite high maintenance I can see him going into a Mourinho type meltdown at some point. He's a great manager but I think he will be tested here like never before.
As for Koeman, I understand he's agreed terms and buggered off to Turkey to finish his hols. It's now up to the clubs to finalise the deal. I don't think we'll see him holding the scarf until the week after next at the earliest.
67 Posted 05/06/2016 at 18:01:09
I don't know what it is but nothing ever seems just to get done with us. I'm not complaining but I do understand the impatience. I also agree with Paul (23), we need to move with some speed.
68 Posted 05/06/2016 at 18:07:27
You mentioned Pep won with a favoured side in Spain, true, as did Koeman in Holland. McLaren managed it with with a lesser team, I hope we're not linked with him.
Don't get me wrong, I like what Koeman is doing at Southampton, I ,just don't see why he seems the runaway favourite.
69 Posted 05/06/2016 at 18:09:08
He also beat Tottenham, Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea along the way. With a notable draw against Leicester.
Doesn't seem to have any hangups with playing the so called big teams.
71 Posted 05/06/2016 at 18:25:21
72 Posted 05/06/2016 at 18:26:56
Koeman will be ours by the end of the week believe me. Now back to that beer.
73 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:00:12
74 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:11:48
75 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:16:57
76 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:18:42
77 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:20:06
78 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:25:59
I am sure he and Everton want to announce the signing asap, to allow him to speak to Lukaku and Stones before the Euros start.
He will no doubt have a list of players he would be interested in signing, and it wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't already given Moshiri his wish list.
79 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:27:24
But, in the absence of anything more than us TWers indulging in virtual pub-talk, what if the RK biz does go belly up ?
I hadn't finally made a definitive choice, because I could find so much to like in Emery, De Boer, Pellegrini, Koeman.
Likewise I was encouraged that we seemed to be steering clear of the "You Know Who's".
What I'm saying (pretty awkwardly), is that if it isn't Koeman, then I see us still having strong options open.
80 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:27:31
Maybe because those clubs went for managers that were not already employed at other clubs or, as in the case of the barcodes, was already at the club as a temp manager. If we wanted a quick appointment we could have had any number of unemployed managers.
We on the other hand are trying to get a manager who already has a job with another PL club so it is going to take longer.
81 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:29:30
82 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:50:11
I would expect the same when buying players, too many bungled leaks from the club that have scared players off. When we buy someone I'm expecting the selling club to announce the fee and Everton to say 'undisclosed'. This is a the mark of a well run club.
Whilst 'Colin's need for action is perhaps a little soon for many, I do share his desire should the deal become an prolonged, we should just walk away. For example any reluctance on Koeman's behalf should be met with a clear stance that we are happy to move on should he stall.
I want to see Everton handle themselves with pride and the stature of a 'big club', not the Ant Hill mob trying to save Penelope PitStop. This is the sea change I want to see, whether we land Koeman or not is really the issue for me.
Word soon gets around how a club deals with this type of thing, if the footballing community think you are bunglers serious candidate will be miles from Goodison Park.
We as a club have long be considered less than professional in most matters and I can't really challenge that view as 'we' the supporters are often the ones pointing the finger!
83 Posted 05/06/2016 at 20:18:51
"Still no agreement in place between Everton and Southampton according to Alan Irwin on SSN. Still time for us to fuck this up. We can't, can we?"
84 Posted 05/06/2016 at 21:28:49
Is this the calibre of man we want to be our manager?
85 Posted 05/06/2016 at 21:47:43
The hold-up with Koeman is only a matter of getting the protocols in order. I believe this will be done within 48 to 72 hours.
86 Posted 05/06/2016 at 21:56:58
I wonder who will post the first 'Koeman out' comment?
88 Posted 05/06/2016 at 22:16:12
Players who jump ship spout about wanting 'cups and medals' and ''money isn't important'' but they kid us not; in reality, they want the mansions, Rolls Ryces, Bentleys and Jags, and how do they get it all?? By making lots of MONEY! To hell with their clubs and the fans... and as for 'loyalty' you must be joking.
And now we have our own, 'will he, won't he, shall he, shan't he' saga, aided and abetted by Everton's, yet again, infamous Refusal of Information Act. Why the hell do we bother?
89 Posted 05/06/2016 at 22:17:48
Jokin' I am!
90 Posted 05/06/2016 at 22:21:17
I'd say that's more of an achievement than winning the Bundesliga with Bayern, where there's no real competition at the moment.
Anyway, he may not be everyone's No 1 pick but I think every Everton fan the world over would take him over Moyes or Martinez. Given we were never going to get a 'super manager' I think he's definitely one of the best of the rest. He's also done a decent job in the transfer market.
After Ranieri, we can at least dream again.
92 Posted 05/06/2016 at 22:44:28
93 Posted 05/06/2016 at 23:26:02
Lots of these posts seem to be getting quite lyrical.
I wonder what Will Shakespeare would be posting if he was alive. I imagine he would have been a blue.
94 Posted 05/06/2016 at 23:40:26
95 Posted 05/06/2016 at 23:46:04
Answer: Of course. The media can create black from white just by removing all of the colours, which they magically do much of the time!
Option: Assuming Koeman is interested, he won't just be negotiating for himself. He will want to bring his team of Aides (is that the right spelling?), won't he? Can't see this process taking just 5 minutes. Then there is the compensation for the breaking of the contract with Southampton. Likely already agreed subject to... etc etc.
Looks like we will have to be patient, eh? So, here we go...
Woke up this morning and I took a pill
Opened ToffeeWeb and my heart stood still
Koeman's moving to Merseyside?
But now we find .. that the media's lied
Oh, my heart stood still
Oh, that rumour mill
Oh, when ya think of it
Oh, the media's sh*t
Da do ron ron, da do ron ron
96 Posted 05/06/2016 at 01:10:34
97 Posted 06/06/2016 at 02:06:56
Onwards and upwards!
98 Posted 06/06/2016 at 03:26:09
However the agent dropped a major one by claiming the deal was done and the clubs only had to agree compensation which obviously irked all parties and he has now had his wings clipped.
Everybody and his auntie knows Koeman is coming to us but we don't need to throw sand in Southampton's face aswell.
Expect the lawyers on both sides to thrash out compensation and press releases for tomorrow and Koeman to agree terms and be announced on Tuesday.
99 Posted 06/06/2016 at 03:36:24
Agreed, Joe & Jay
100 Posted 06/06/2016 at 04:15:48
102 Posted 06/06/2016 at 07:27:27
103 Posted 06/06/2016 at 07:49:08
The Bookies rarely get it wrong, that's why they exist!
104 Posted 06/06/2016 at 08:08:04
Outside Southampton and
Talksport, most people I meet around the country regard us as a better bet than Southampton, more so now with Moshiri's money and ambition.
Managers on the up will always be offered more money to move. Now that we're able to match our money with ambition, I'm all for it. Beats that 'good honest club' bullshit, that was a fig leaf covering our lack of ambition and standards.
105 Posted 06/06/2016 at 08:55:22
106 Posted 06/06/2016 at 08:55:54
107 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:04:09
Hasn't he just signed a 5 year contract to stay at Southampton.
However, you are generally right about transfers so good new signing when he comes!
108 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:12:31
109 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:20:05
Guess his view might change now but I imagine his value might go far in excess of the 20 you mention. Southampton will probably want to play hard-ball as we would do in similar circumstances.
I remember the Rioch and McKenzie signings!
I have also just remembered my Mum putting an Arsenal badge on my Everton tracksuit when Alan Ball signed for them.
110 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:25:51
And what about this news that once the Koeman deal is settled, Moshiri will go all out for Monchi? Is this really Everton we are talking about? I find it hard to believe.
111 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:26:01
Same goes for Monchi. People just get sucked in by the lust for information fuelled by the media.
We'll have a new manager before the start of the season, and everything is going to be fine. Moshiri is a smart man and he isn't going to piss his money away to satisfy our impatience.
112 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:27:57
113 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:42:57
114 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:43:19
Wjinaldum is a very good player who would be an improvement on a couple we have.
Would be very curious to know Koeman's thoughts on our midfield in particular, which is probably our biggest area of debate amongst fans... pro or anti McCarthy. Same with Besic... do we start with 2 DFMs or one... anyway.. we'll soon find out.
115 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:44:09
A sleeping giant? well more and more like an irrelevance when it comes to "Big Clubs" as they are perceived today. Liverpool hadn't won the FA Cup until 1965, and since then for at least two decades they won titles and cups galore. They became a big club with fans from all over the world, while we slid slowly but surely, out of the picture. Except for that wonderful interlude in the mid-80s, we've slipped into the backwaters of football.
Manchester City, another big club at one time, a club very much like us, suffered even worse. They dropped down two divisions and did wonderfully well not to go down even further but fight their way back into the Premier League.
When they got the massive investment of Sheik Mansour or whoever, they became the richest club in the world, or one of the richest. Anyway, they had mega billions.
I remember the sort of shocked laughter from the so-called experts and pundits, as Man City began to recruit top class players. The common theme was on the lines of "Manchester City... no-one knows where it is, let alone goes there... hee hee hee!"
I think there is still a feeling amongst the Sky and BBC pen pushers that somehow, "Man City aren't a proper big club... not like Liverpool or Arsenal or, all genuflect, Man Utd."
Well, I think we are going to be looked on like that by the London media.
More importantly, if we want to become a "Big Club" again, then it is certain that we are going to have to pay more for a manager or a player of international repute to come to us. We are going to be looked at with disdain by the media as we attempt to recapture out former glory.
So when someone says we are paying too much to hire Koeman, or any other top manager, that is what we will have to pay if we want the best.
To say we shouldn't pay for the best in case we can't pay it sometime in the future, in my eyes condemns us to mediocrity for ever.
Nothing against him, but if we only set our sights on Moyes or Big Sam, or any other decent enough manager, and carry on in the backwaters, then fair enough.
Mr Moshiri, is determined that we will become a major force in English Football. What happens in the future, will be a concern for the future.
But right now, I think of the words of Sir John Moores. "Evertonians expect success; and we will have it." or near enough to that but I can't be arsed looking it up at the moment.
So to say we shouldn't pay that kind of money quoted in the press for Koeman, to me is condemning us to mediocrity for ever. Mr Moshiri has come along and has the money to back his vision. We could of course suggest that we aren't that kind of club, we might spend above our means in 50 years time.
It would mean, "The Kings Dock" episode all over again and snoozing away in "The Old Lady". Plucky little Everton what a nice little club, with their nice friendly Chairman.
No bloody thanks, I want to see where Mr Moshiri wants to take us.
116 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:44:28
When a club sells a player they, according to the terms of their contract, have to pay the player the amount left in wages, one reason why a player won't ask for a transfer. If Lukaku is so desperate to leave you think he'd ask for a move... I wonder why he hasn't?
117 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:45:42
"Damian, Klopp had to get to (I make it) 6 finals to lose them and with the possible exception of Werder Bremen, I don't make him favourite to win any of them."
That's okay John, he wasn't favourite, just lose them, that's okay! Although
you're wrong as he was favourite against Sevilla.
"There was a poll as to 'Who would you want as manager of your club, Klopp or Koeman?' I'm sure it would be in favour of Klopp."
No I wouldn't want Klopp. I think he could be good, but I think he can't handle losing (everything's always rosy) and eventually he'll have a football breakdown; not calm enough. Plus his arm waving & intense camera grins are annnying.
Could I ask John, have you got a photo of Klopp on your bedroom wall? You seem obsessed with the Liverpool manager. Strange.
"You seem to have something to say on just about everything at the moment, so please, why is Koeman the guy to get the better of the highly successful managers I mentioned?"
No need to try to be smart I'm not totally convinced about RK, but am not being totally negative like you and wetting myself about "the world is againt us" (said after Sevilla match, fits right in) Klopp.
Thank you to those who showed respect for the Grail Knight, a legend indeed. 2/1 to be RK's assistant.
118 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:47:05
119 Posted 06/06/2016 at 10:14:01
120 Posted 06/06/2016 at 10:16:52
Oh I see SSN have a new RS pundit lined up. Ricky fucking Martin oops, Lambert.
121 Posted 06/06/2016 at 10:30:02
122 Posted 06/06/2016 at 10:45:10
When asked why we're paying Koeman ٥m pa nothing would make me happier than shrugging "Because we can...?" in reply.
Bring it on, Mr Moshiri.
123 Posted 06/06/2016 at 10:50:29
124 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:03:27
125 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:16:11
126 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:30:51
Two issues on that front:
1) Southampton's business model depends upon them selling players at a profit. (Oddly their fans do not seem this as in any way Judas like behaviour on the part of their Board).
2) Not sure how that might sit with the EU "Freedom of Labour" rugulations. Of course, I'm really not speaking from any informed stand point here and could be spouting utter catflap.
My suspicions about the seemly inflated ٣M compensation is that may be because RK wants his existing managerial team with him..... again could be even more catflap......
127 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:34:46
Sharp, Ratcliffe and Stuart where wheeled in front of the Sky cameras to tell us all to 'be careful what you wish for,' Sharp even laughed at the thought of us being linked with Mourinho and told us all to get real; the same fella ridiculed the Blue Union as 'one man and his dog' on his radio show when fans were rightly wanting Kenwright out.
These parasites should be shown the door by Moshiri as soon as they turn up in the lounges for the new season. They don't represent us and never will give me Big Nev any day of the week, his views are all about his passion and ambition for EFC and not endearing himself to the paymasters.
128 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:35:54
One of them appears to be wearing a XXXXL team shirt......
129 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:40:06
"Because we can" I like that Mike.
130 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:57:47
131 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:59:33
Then again, he could have been writing about Liverpool as an Evertonian.
132 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:15:31
Hopefully by mid August the compensation figure is seen as a drop in the ocean compared with the transfer fees we have paid.
133 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:17:39
136 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:26:52
Forster though. And Dann is a leader/winner so good back-up for Jags I guess.
137 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:29:22
We have great times ahead of us with the new majority shareholder. All the players who want to leave should be shown the door ASAP! Got to start again and build.
138 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:35:26
139 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:39:32
140 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:48:51
Scott Dann is a solid defender and in that regard is fine with me, however, priced at 㾻M, I think there is a great deal of choice available.
Furthermore at 29-years-old, that's older and overpriced, to my thinking. Even if "money is no object" then spending foolishly only allows our opposition to spend the same amounts wisely and to greater lasting effect.
Scott Dann? Not for me, I'm afraid.
141 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:52:54
142 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:56:36
143 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:07:24
144 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:07:35
I do think we'd benefit from bringing in a solid no nonsense centre halve.
145 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:08:08
Scott Dann would be ٤-8m tops given age but Palace don't have to sell. Matters not he's a RS. Barton is a blue but 99% on here would never touch him.
146 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:08:45
147 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:19:47
Wouldn't worry about Dann. It seems to be based on a rumor that Soton wanted him so the media are putting 2 and 2 together.
Firstly, the Soton link may be untrue.
Secondly, different club, different needs, different budget so why would Koeman go for the exact same players he wanted at Soton.
Thirdly, if we bring in Monster Munch or the Reptillian as DOF they'll be in charge of recruitment anyway as opposed to Koeman or indeed Les Reed who allegedly is the one with his eye on Dann.
148 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:24:30
149 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:29:20
150 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:30:49
151 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:32:57
153 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:00:29
154 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:00:40
155 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:05:52
156 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:10:57
Will be very interested to see what he makes of our squad. I hope we will see some heavy trimming as I think few players have really deserved the shirt with their performances over the last 2 years. Realistically though we are unlikely to see a total revolution as such drastic change is often damaging.
Forster, Wijnaldum and Tadic would improve us considerably I think but would not come cheap. The hardest thing may be replacing Lukaku; Lacazette, Batshuayi, Embolo or maybe even a bold bid for the likes of Icardi, whoever it is will need to hit the ground running with Kone and Niasse the only other options at present.
157 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:12:39
158 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:13:57
159 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:14:21
160 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:19:12
Think we might have to wear this one, like it or not. 'Round' Mk. II
No Moyes, no Rafa, not the end of the world
161 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:23:16
The whole thing, if what is being reported is true, smells quite mercenary to me and I don't like that. Not when there are options just as good out there: Pellegrini, DeBoer, Emery.
162 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:23:42
However it may be that his brother and backroom staff are coming with him so the figure would climb depending who we take in addition.
163 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:24:11
I am surprised by the level of panic on ToffeeWeb. The club is as quiet as they can be; why get worked up over some media speculation?
164 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:27:57
165 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:41:44
166 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:44:37
Location - Mirror Group Newspapers â€“ Sportdeskâ€¦
Ed â€“ “Right chaps, we need to fill some space, what have you gotâ€¦?â€
Hacks look around at each other dumbly.
Ed â€“ “Come on, come on, you must have something. What about the Everton story, what's happening with thatâ€¦?â€
Hack 1 â€“ “Still no decision bossâ€¦can't get a thingâ€¦â€
Ed â€“ “FFS! You've got to be kidding me!? Don't those w*nk*rs know we've got papers to sell?! What did we put the delay down to last time?â€
Hack 2 â€“ “A.. err.. holiday bossâ€¦â€
Ed â€“ “Right, so what do we say this timeâ€¦?â€
Hack 3 â€“ “Ermâ€¦. a..nother holiday bossâ€¦?â€
Ed looks at them blankly, and with a weary shake of the head concedes,
“Go on then, print it â€“ but this is the last one, understood...!?â€
167 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:44:54
168 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:46:13
Hmmm, I wonder if we offer 50 Million straight up can we get Koeman and his backroom staff (except Lee) plus Forster, van Dijk, Mane and Tadic? Or we can offer them Lukaku perhaps??
Interesting days indeed!
169 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:56:49
170 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:00:03
171 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:03:34
172 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:04:45
I can't wait for the angry posts from people who want a 'proper' manager at an empty Finch Farm 24/7, surrounded by screwed up pieces of paper as he painstakingly plans pre - season, despite the fact that all the players are on holiday/at the Euros.
I'll let you know in advance that Koeman will probably use the word 'philosshophy' frequently, as well as saying 'of coursh' at the end of sentences, for no reason other than that's what a lot of Dutch people say in their own language.
He's not even here yet and the anti-Martinezesque managerial rants have started.
He might actually know what he's doing, you know!
173 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:07:36
174 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:07:42
175 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:16:19
176 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:35:26
I still see people are incredibly inpatient/moaning on here. Go out for the day or a week maybe if you can't handle a few days of waiting for goodness sake.
178 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:51:20
179 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:53:51
180 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:53:54
Given every league position is worth something like 1.7m, RK just needs to get us in the top 7 and he's basically free. I also cannot imagine his basic salary will be 7m, presume there are add ons based on performance that take it to that.
If the gets us far up the league and hopefully adds a trophy in the cabinet, I'd happily have the club pay him 10m/year! You gets what you pays.
Forster as a first signing would be a massive positive as well.
181 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:56:51
183 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:09:54
Koeman, yes please but please leave Forster on the south coast.
184 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:13:05
Koeman: So, you want me to sign a straight-forward, no-nonsense defender, who's a bit of a shouty Leader, and a Scouser to boot?
Koeman: That would be Scott Dann.
Fans: You're sacked!
185 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:15:11
186 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:18:20
Just let it happen, wait patiently and take no notice if anything unless it comes from EFC.
Press just love making us think they know what they obviously don't.
Sit in the garden and listen to some calming music.
187 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:23:45
In fact, I think Martinez breathed oxygen so there had better be none of that from the new man.
188 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:25:28
190 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:33:57
191 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:36:16
We can all get excited about a new saviour as once we did about the likes of Gordon Lee, Mike Walker and David Moyes but some things just do not work out despite all the hype at the beginning.
Perhaps this new era will prove to be the one we have all waited for especially with Moshiri's money.
192 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:40:57
193 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:46:39
194 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:49:59
195 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:50:24
You are talking about a multi million pound contract here, and Koeman hasn't the decency to show some respect to Everton and get his priorities right.
If his immediate concern is another bloody holiday then tell his agent to ring Koeman to say the deal's off.
196 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:55:40
He broke off his holidays to come back and sort things out.
As far as he is concerned he might as well complete his holiday as the 2 clubs agree compensation and his agent peobably already has his signature on the paperwork ready for whe the clubs agree.
I am quite pleased he is on holiday contemplating his plans for the club while in a relaxed mode and coming back refreshed with batteries fully charged for the task in hand.
BTW Ray if they really are the fixtures for next season it looks like an easy start for the new man.
197 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:59:42
198 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:01:35
199 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:01:44
200 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:01:52
201 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:02:42
202 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:03:00
203 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:07:14
204 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:18:23
Tis is paper talk or a plan. I still think it's somone who ain't been spoke about.
205 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:19:06
Sammy Lee is not a bad bloke even though he played for the RS.
I would be quite happy for him to give a scouse kiss to Lukaku to shake him up a bit..
Mind you he would need to be on someones shoulders to do it
206 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:27:29
207 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:30:59
208 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:31:05
210 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:41:16
Saints' fans painting Koeman in a similar light to how we saw Moyes' departure.
Law of the jungle time, I guess . It's all about money although he'll be telling us how he followed Everton as a boy, no doubt !
But Wtf ?
211 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:42:06
Southampton don't hold too many aces. They need to plan for the new season too. They can't while this hangs over them, so a swift conclusion would allow them to find a replacement for Koeman.
212 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:52:14
Players next season to depart:- Lukaku, Stones, Hibbert, Pienaar, Oviedo, Osman, Gibson, McGeady.
With question marks over Barry 35, Jags 33, Kone 32, Baines 31.
Keep the rest.
213 Posted 06/06/2016 at 18:07:48
214 Posted 06/06/2016 at 18:12:32
215 Posted 06/06/2016 at 18:31:27
216 Posted 06/06/2016 at 18:41:53
I had a season ticket for FC Groningen when I lived there and I thought he was an awesome player (Erwin wasn't shabby either), however my one odd flashback was seeing him in my parents bar on a few occasions, and trust me, it wasn't one of your delightful 'brown' cafe's either, if you catch my drift....
217 Posted 06/06/2016 at 18:56:04
Main strand is the amount of compensation and how imminent it is.
They're resigned to him leaving down here. Hehe !
218 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:18:15
Surely getting your holidays in now is the right way to do things. Before the Euros start and the transfer window opens.
It also shows that RK is his own man and he keeps his, no doubt pre booked holiday arrangements which would have been planned when he was Soton manager.
Just because he is on holiday doesn't mean he is incommunicado.
Seems a sound decision to me
219 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:18:19
Tell the ungrateful over priced Dutchman to get off his arse and get on a plane to Liverpool to sign the contract at Goodison on Thursday. If he won't then ring De Boer to offer him the job.
Yes I am angry that, according to ToffeeWeb, he has gone off on holiday 'again!'
PS, he is not my choice if you hadn't guessed.
220 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:20:38
These days I don't have much in the way of compliments to to give to Kenwright but his greatest (and possibly his only) achievement was bring Moshiri onboard.
Obviously we'll all be happy when it's finalised officially. No doubt we can expect more good news in the way of a Director of Football appointment and signings.
This is the most optimistic I've felt in years and instead of dreading the start of the season I now can't wait.
We can now look forward to the next series of TW debates on who should be sold and who should be bought. Personally I can't wait - let the good times roll - and I refuse to look look for pitfalls where I don't see any!
221 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:33:40
Perhaps a return to Moyes' rest of the best days and perpetual seventhish ? Or, perhaps, a repeat of Roberto's first season and a fifth place finish ? Or even, maybe, a 'Leicester' season sculptured by the football gods ?
Personally, I think he will do well to be another Moyes, particularly because the Sky Six will still have more money to throw about and all have proven managers.
222 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:35:44
for them to keep Sammy Lee. Don't want any ex RS anywhere near the place.
223 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:38:29
224 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:39:34
These people know what they,re doing .Deals involving this sort of money don,t happen over night .
225 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:41:56
226 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:51:00
228 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:55:48
Personally, I think he would do well to avoid becoming another Moyes !
229 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:57:10
230 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:59:18
The fact that we have got Koeman is the most important part. Who he appoints as his coaches is up to him.
Some are complaining that he has gone on holiday, the only delay has been over the level of compensation even if he were here he had no influence over that decision. He cant actually work with the players till they are back from their summer break, and I am sure he has already spoken to Moshiri over likely transfer targets.
231 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:12:13
232 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:15:02
Could happily accomodate the globular Mr. Lee.
You could include Rush, too accorcing to some sources.
Don't think many of our red cuzzies would turn up for a bloody "Tug-O'-War" over the human "Tse-Tse Fly", Michael "They call me Mr Mogadon" Owen !
TBH, neither sets of mancs would save any spare breath for a set of waterwings for the present Professor of The Blatantly Fucking Obvious at Tedium University, even if the drivellous little shit was drowning in Salford Quays, with next weeks Euromillions numbers tattoo'd on his face.
233 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:21:17
234 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:21:41
He has been sought out by those who played and managed with him and was involved in the England setup for quite a while.
However it doesnt look likely he will come anyway so you can put your keyboards away for a while.
Now as regards Monchi what criticism can we find for him?
235 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:23:00
236 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:27:14
239 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:42:49
240 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:52:20
Also the subsequent 'Sheedy' exsmples are just as poor. He was a reserve player.
We're talking about a massive red possibly being on the Everton coaching set up. Anyway, not like we're desperate for him is it?
241 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:55:14
242 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:59:56
Phil, he's obviously not your preferred choice. Check his management stats and take note of the fact that Southampton ditched his best players each season.
Your pessimism in the light of what's looking like a pretty good things happening to us after years of fuck all is, to be honest, hard to understand.
Still, each to his own!
243 Posted 06/06/2016 at 21:12:01
First things first, he will be solid if nothing else; I would've thought the horror prospect of relegation is banished if he comes on board.
Secondly, the new owner clearly likes him and I imagine is going to seriously back him. It would be interesting to see what Koemans vision is with investment in players rather than being stripped of them.
He has taken Southampton to 7th and 6th - their best finishes since the early '80's. This season they finished 3 points off the Top 4.
He's got real form as a manager and was a world class player - we will do well to sign anyone not worthy of cleaning his boots, which automatically gives him a head start managing the team.
So, I'm happy. I think we're guaranteed the level of "success" Moyes achieved with us and with a following wind will do much, much better. Everyones says how driven and ambitious Koeman is, my feeling is between him and Moshiri they're going to show us just how much.
244 Posted 06/06/2016 at 21:12:50
245 Posted 06/06/2016 at 21:16:51
If we get Koeman and he thinks Sammy Lee is a good man to have on his team, that will do for me.
As for Sheedy, Harper and Johnny Morrisey. They were all first team regulars for years at Everton, so would rather have nopt seen them come to EFC then?
246 Posted 06/06/2016 at 21:35:32
I covered the Sheedy et al point - reserves.
Red or no red, could you explain why you want Lee? Not exactly one of the world's top coaches, eh.
247 Posted 06/06/2016 at 21:53:21
I'd find it difficult to accept Gerrard as he is a first class c*nt, red or not.
do I get marks out of ten for explaining Damien? If so, then I will
248 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:04:45
250 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:16:06
Surprised you're okay with Gerrard given "Massive red or small red Damian, what do you have a problem with?"
251 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:20:36
We have an ageing squad and our best young talent want to leave!
I think it will take three transfer windows before we see a settled dressing room and team, I'm expecting big improvements but not overnight especially if Lukaku leaves his goals will be very hard to replace lazy or not!
253 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:36:59
As I said, I'd have liked to see Ian Rush and Alan Hansen swop red for blue, when they were in their prime. But I wouldn't want to see Gerard come over. So, Massive red or small red, wouldn't bother me but a c*nt is a c*nt no matter what shirt he wore.
254 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:37:27
Good point. More recently though What about Gary Ablett? Not a showstopper but a dependable guy who helped us win the cup.
255 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:37:57
Today's voice of reason you are. Sweet and thanks for that John.
However, dude I understand what you're saying from the goal tally PoV but Lukaku's behaviour has been what? Out of order? Agreeing to meet Moshiri 'out of courtesy' was it?
I wouldn't be massively upset to see the back of and regarding the kids, from what I saw, maybe our best young talent have only just started)
256 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:42:57
Signing a new manager for £7M a year - particularly one who's so keen he goes on his second bloody holiday - is the easy bit. Finishing seventh will be a masterstroke !
257 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:44:30
258 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:45:43
259 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:46:12
260 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:55:38
261 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:58:02
Koeman could have quit if he wanted , bought himself out of his contract..
263 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:01:55
264 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:06:24
265 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:12:46
For the sake of injecting backbone and success into the current squad I hope the resemblance goes further........and into action at Finch Farm.
266 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:18:26
We will have to go plenty to match Utd, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and you know who on the spending front, that's without taking into account the players already at these clubs.
Lukaku and Stones will presumably have to be replaced, so lets hope what we sell them for will all be used on straight replacements.
Without doubt though our new manager will have a better chance of achieving some kind of success than Roberto had pre Moshiri.
That is if Moshiri carries through his promise to spend big.
How big is big remains to be seen.
267 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:22:24
Though we did sing that, lovingly, to a fat, one time red supporter.
"He's fat, he's round, he's worth a million pounds, Perter Reid, Peter Reid!"
268 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:30:35
Or are you David in disguise?!
269 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:37:16
270 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:42:35
We have some really good young players and that might be in our favour but they'll need experience and stamina, so it's difficult, in my view, for the young ones to last a season through.
It looks like Lukaku is set on going but who knows, after Koeman has a word, he might change his mind. I think we'll have more of a chance of keeping John Stones, hope so anyway.
So I don't see us being challengers for the top four...yet. But with a fair bit of money and a good manager, then we can make progress to becoming regular top four challengers. I just don't expect it in one season though.
271 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:53:12
If we end up with Sammy Lee let's see what's delivered on the pitch by the team before slagging him (or anyone else) off.
272 Posted 07/06/2016 at 00:13:04
273 Posted 07/06/2016 at 00:17:08
274 Posted 07/06/2016 at 00:18:10
275 Posted 07/06/2016 at 00:57:30
The only thing that stinks are the tongues of the people lapping up every bit of horse shit being shovelled by the press. How can you claim a deal smells rotten when you've been privy to precisely none of the negotiations, never mind the finer points of any prospective agreement.
'I'm absolutely fuming. Just found out he wants us to pay for the porn channel in his hotel room, for his second holiday and any future sojourns he may fancy. Cheeky git is taking the piss. Call it off Everton!!!!! He's a loser and he looks like Clyde from Any Which Way You Can with acute hair loss anyway.'
As for Southampton wanting assurances he won't return to poach any of their players? Not exactly unheard of in such a situation, is it? Even if true, is it really such a big deal? A lot of people would've killed for Wigan to make similar demands of Everton before giving them permission to prise Martinez away and I can't think of many Southampton players I'd be desperate to bring to Goodison even if given first dibs.
276 Posted 07/06/2016 at 01:14:38
277 Posted 07/06/2016 at 02:26:00
Honestly some of the nonsense that gets posted on here by the various ITKs!!! Face facts lads ( and ladies) we all know the sum total of jack shit when it comes to how negotiations are progressing, who's talking to who, how much will it cost, etc etc. Some seem to think the club should be giving hourly updates!!! This isn't some pointless Royal baby's birth where Nicholas witchell tells us how far dilated the mother is!!!
It's a multi million pound deal that isn't ever going to be sorted with a 5 minute phone call. It's looking increasingly likely to be announced in the next few days and I for one am comfortable with that. I'm pretty sure that billionaire mr moshiri knows how to negotiate and probably doesn't need the "wise words" from assorted ToffeeWebbers to help him!!!
And as for Ian #3 are you seriously asking that question???? Is he (Koeman) better that what we just had???? (Shakes head in disbelief!!)
278 Posted 07/06/2016 at 03:50:41
I want him to do well but don't expect miracles.
279 Posted 07/06/2016 at 08:07:30
Just heard that RK has gone all-inclusive and pigging out on full English and Guinness all day. If he comes back over-weight, he'll never be able to move at Finch Farm, and our players won't be fit this season.
Good job Mr Moshiri inserted a fatness clause into his contract, as RK has to fit the club suit that Roberto left, or we will be forced to look for a thinner manager. I have it on very good authority from a bloke who's cousin once accidentally rang The Winslow that that is why Rafa wasn't even considered.
Hands up all those who would have played Callum Connolly and Tom Davies in the Derby/Cup semi final, instead of players patently unsuited as out of position. (and wouldn't have signed Niasse)
Congratulations, you would ensure a better finish than we had this season. Now let's see what a proper manager like RK - if he signs - can do.
280 Posted 07/06/2016 at 08:25:33
P.S. Until Manuel Pellegrini is declared clinically dead I still think he's got a shot at being our next manager.
P.S.S. I see Burnley are ready to spend £60m on new players. Now our £100m doesn't look like so much, does it Phil?
281 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:07:53
Not got a problem with him if he shows us that same passion.
282 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:12:47
Phil Walling(#278) next season's going to be interesting because most teams can compete we may (and only may) see the end of the Sky4/5 monopoly.
I don't think it's a gimme that both Mancs or Chelsea will do well; Guadiola's never managed in a truely competitive league and the special one may implode plus Chelsea is a rebuild job.
Koeman starts off with a nucleus of great players and some special youngsters waiting to step up interesting times
283 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:25:12
I cant understand why some are being negative about Koeman not like we have signed a manager who has just got his last team relegated.
284 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:31:15
285 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:31:44
Now I know all the factors involved and I know there's people on here who'll want to show how clever they are and prove why my argument is faulted and how dumb my point is blah blah blah, but Koeman will have more money to spend, a better squad (remember we took four points of Soton) so the chance is there.
286 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:32:42
The thinking is infantile.
By the way, add Tony McNamara, Joe Payne , Dave Hickson, and Alan Harper and I am sure there are others who have crossed the park. Footballers play for the money, managers and coaches do it for their income, they aren't like us saps who support one team whatever happens. Money buys their allegiance.
Koeman is taking his time, he's not exactly jumping to get started, that may be more interesting. Is he still hankering after a sign from Arsenal?
287 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:34:05
288 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:45:46
Agree Sean. All the 'on good authority' and 'ITK' is nonsense. According to these clever dicks Dein & Usmanov are installed at Everton.
Colin, re: money we have to spend, first of all you don't how much Everton or Burnley will spend. Secondly, why are you bothered about Burnley? Just be pleased it seems like we have money to spend!!
People love a moan on here.
289 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:54:51
If, as we suspect, we also engage a DoF, he (the Dof) will not be bound by that agreement - nor will the club, nor will the Southampton players.
The law is a strange animal and you need to know the intricacies of it, before you become involved.
If any "target" of RF that is currently at Southampton, really wants to come to us, it will only take a "transfer request", to loosen all the legal embargoes.
Then, (as in the John Stones case last summer), it becomes a case of who has the most "Tiene los cojones grandes y bien plantados", as per President "GWB".
In that fight, nowadays, I think we will win.
Koeman can sign any agreement - so can Everton - it will all mean nothing, depending on how the approaches, etc. are made,
That, regrettably, is why the vilified "agents" exist , survive and prosper.
290 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:55:55
291 Posted 07/06/2016 at 10:04:27
293 Posted 07/06/2016 at 10:28:09
295 Posted 07/06/2016 at 10:33:47
If he wins the same honours, he'll do for me !
296 Posted 07/06/2016 at 10:36:22
No, seriously, I'll just wait until the club comes with any news.
297 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:06:01
298 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:08:50
299 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:09:37
It's a bloody hard life, this football lark !
300 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:12:23
So not surprised!
301 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:17:57
302 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:30:58
Difficult to argue with.
303 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:43:06
It's potential that counts, the fanbase and yes, history. Is it likely that Southampton will ever win the league as they sell players every season to survive? No it's highly unlikely. Is it possible that Everton can win the league in the not too distant future given our improved circumstances? Yes it is.
Everton are a far bigger club than Southampton.
304 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:47:32
305 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:49:09
Just because Southampton finish above us in the last two seasons makes them a bigger club than us? So using your logic, Southampton are also bigger than Chelsea and the RS, after all, they finished above both of them last season. Leicester are bigger than ANYBODY, just because they won the league.
Where have Southampton been for all but 39 years, of their professional status......that's right, languishing in the lower divisions of English football.
Show me their honours list as I can't find it, although I know what it is. Should fit on the back of a postage stamp... FA Cup 1976. Probably not worth making a list for.
So don't give me this "in the current climate" garbage, because it don't wash with me. Southampton are not and never will be a bigger club than Everton FC.
306 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:56:37
Since the BBC has colluded in the destruction (forever) of that happy state, they might as well apply the coup de grace to him.
307 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:00:07
Yeah that may be the case as far as the shallow media are concerned. I remember when Newcastle were relegated in 2009 listening to the pundits on MOTD saying they had to get back in the Premiership quickly as the Premiership 'needed them'! Because they were a BIG club.
No, what they really meant was that the club is such a fucking car-crash that it always gave the media something to bump their gums about. What is a BIG club as far as the media is concerned has nothing to do with what constitutes a BIG club in the eyes any self respecting footy fan with an IQ higher than that of a dead frog.
308 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:04:38
When they've won nine league titles, then they get step to us! :)
309 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:08:43
311 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:14:14
He can't do much until EFC have sorted out the compo with Southampton. He can't talk to us till then.
I like he fact that he's saying nothing until his unveiling. Much more appealing than if his brother was in the press every day saying he'd love the job. I don't want someone visibly desperate for the job, I want someone who knows he's good enough and is ready for the job when he's allowed to start.
312 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:15:58
To quote a Saints fan "I could understand him leaving for Arsenal or Man U, but Everton? they are no bigger a club than us"
314 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:18:45
Or were you quoting him in agreement?
315 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:19:06
size of a club for me comes down to 2 things: 1. Fan base 2. History of success 3. Revenues
First and foremost if you have fans around the world that gazumps short term performance. Everton are (unaudited) amongst the top 6 supported clubs in the world from EPL sides. I'm not even sure Man City have as many as us internationally. They just don't have the history... yet.
316 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:29:39
You cannot deny that Southampton are currently a better outfit than us. That is what Motson was saying. To a neutral, this looks like a strange decision by RK.
I'm not in any way doubting that we're the bigger football club.
There's no need to get riled up, this is just a conversation about an interview. We're all blue here.
317 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:31:43
I have said it elsewhere, you know Everton FC might be going places when the media, particularly the BBC start to make silly statements or peddle a particular line which will show OUR club in a bad light. They behave towards Everton FC in a completely different way to the way they deal with our neighbours, don't ask me for a reason, I don't know, but it has been going on for almost half a century.
I just hope that the board, the management team and the players of Everton FC make us proud of our club by playing attractive football and winning football matches, as long as that happens the media can play as many mind games as they like. We didn't take any notice of the media's 'pats on the heads' when they were being condescending, we don't need their praise if we are doing well.
Funny though that the man who narrated Everton's history video/DVD is the person who now seems to have forgotten about it so easily.
318 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:35:18
Then he could chase any player including Southampton players because he would then not need to sign a waiver forbidding him to purchase Southampton players.
Still under the impression that Koeman will sign for us for the money and to rub salt in FDB's nose. Then FDB will be signed by Southampton and we will have paid his salary for the next 2 years.
Interesting what a ToffeeWebber posted about Southampton fans thinking that Koeman is similar to Moyes.
319 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:45:21
Anyway, SSN are reporting that it may well drag on until tomorrow.
How many years will David Moyes' name be mentioned on these pages whenever a current or prospective manager is spoken about - 1, 5, 10 forever.....?
320 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:48:28
322 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:59:16
323 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:14:34
324 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:27:02
I watched a TV programme recently about the history of Match of the Day. From memory I'm sure they said that one of the its co-creators was a huge RS fan. Indeed, the first ever MotD was the RS v Arsenal from Anfield.
Now it all makes sense!
326 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:33:14
327 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:35:44
328 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:39:45
329 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:40:01
I cannot but wonder if in the long run, whether we are really getting the best of the options. As has been posted on previous occasions, Koeman has had mixed success. He seems to have had his best times at smaller clubs working under tight budgets. When he has led a club of note, he appears to fail!
Obviously if he joins us, I will support him 100% and wish him well... But I cannot but make the comparison with our star striker who never really wanted to be at Everton and felt he is bigger than the club. Is Koeman just coming for the money and indeed is he just waiting for a bigger club to come in for him?
With 100 million too, this could be a very pivotal moment in our club's history. We need to get it right.
330 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:53:45
If they put someone up for sale say, or another team makes an offer they accept, then it would open the door for us to make our interest known.
In any case we could enquire if Saints want to sell, they can just say no.
331 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:58:37
332 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:00:49
This deal with Southampton has been dragged out a bit too long for my liking. How can they enforce us to not go after their players? If they want to play for Koeman, having that gentleman's agreement would just make things worse. Besides, it's not like they are the only club with players we need. Plus we have a good crop to begin with and if Koeman doesn't see that, I will be very cautious of how he is going to rebuild our team.
333 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:30:26
On the other hand, success has not been a recent visitor and few of our dozen or so post - war managers have become wold renowned. And we've been a bit dilatory in hooking a magnate with money to burn.
But not much doubt we are bigger than Southampton or, at least, our new benefactor has bigger pockets that his equivalent on the South Coast. And that's why we've nicked their manager, believe me.
But does it really matter ?
334 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:44:28
Southampton qualifying for Europa league twice makes people actually consider them a bigger club? These people need a quick slap across the face to wake them up!
Koeman coming to us when they have European football in the bag with the season we've just had tells you who the 'big' club is in itself.
Anyone else think the reason it's all dragging on a bit is because we're after a couple of their players at the same time as their manager?
335 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:44:30
Haven't you answered your own question? The board, and presumably Moshiri in particular, clearly feel that Koeman is the right man to lead us.
That being the case, they are far better pursuing that to its conclusion, and hiring the man they want.
Everyone is going a little crazy over the "delay". If clubs took a more considered approach, and a little more time, in hiring managers, we'd probably see less turnover all round. It takes longer to hire a middle manager for a reasonable sized accountancy company than we seem to expect Everton to take in hiring the man who's going to control the first team.
336 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:44:53
Everton are a big club.
337 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:46:34
That persistence and conviction that the objective will be achieved are what people like Moshiri do best. As we make ourselves serious contenders again, we'll come across more of this with transfers etc. and we'll be consistently disregarded and/or patronised by the media. But I no longer worry that we'll be swatted aside or accept our appointed Sky position.
Behind some of the condescending and disgruntled commentary we're getting at the moment will lie anxiety that Everton have got real clout again and that we are set to use it.
338 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:48:12
To say Southampton are bigger than us is frankly ludicrous. Our history dwarfs theirs and our future will too.
339 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:51:09
340 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:54:37
When did De Boer do that then? He himself has had as much to say as Koeman on the matter. Nothing at all. His brother and his agent have both declared he would be interested in the job, in an attempt to squeeze him into contention, but that's about it. They also said he would "love" the Liverpool job, the Newcastle job and the Spurs job not so long ago. Basically, he'd love a Premier League job, not the Everton job in particular.
If Koeman has agreed terms with the club, then that clearly demonstrates he wants to become manager. What else do you want him to do? Call a press conference off his own bat before the two clubs have even bashed everything out? Start coming out with a load of old flannel about how he's so desperate to be 'The Man' at Goodison he'd even consider garrotting Changy the Elephant, stripping him down to his grots, getting dressed in his duds and dancing about like a goon for a good 45 mins, just so he can fulfill his life long ambition of standing in front of the Family Enclosure while a load of edgy pre-teens shout "Eyyy!!! Do something nob'ead. You're shite!" in his direction?
341 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:55:02
The man who matters thinks he is better joining us than staying at Southampton. I have absolutely no doubt about Koeman being a success, our toughest job might be keeping him out of the clutches of Barcelona if he does well.
Obviously he has been convinced by Moshiri of his vision of where he wants Everton to be in 5 years time. At last after decades we know have a man in charge who has got the money to get us back into the top echelons again.
342 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:57:03
343 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:03:16
344 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:05:16
Still, we've had a board that's talked us down for twenty years and a manager for a decade who did the same, so no great surprise....
347 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:30:39
While my personal preference would be to take a chance on De Boer along with either Mochi or Overmard as DoF I can see on the face of things that at this moment in time Koeman has the better credentials and deserves our full support.
I can't understand people knocking him without giving him a chance nor them saying he's just come for the money and is using us as a stepping stone to either Arsenal or Barcelona. Obviously the money will have some attraction but if he does have ambitions of going to Arsenal or Barcelona then I think it was brave of him to take this job. He could have taken the safer east option and stayed at Southampton and performed as he has the last couple of seasons and been applauded for doing a fantastic job within the constraints of having to continually sell their best players etc. If he does have higher ambitions he is going to have to succeed here and be successful if he ever wants to move to Arsenal of Barcelona. They are not going to want a failure so it is in his own best interests to make a success of his time here.
348 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:42:32
349 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:44:17
We all want Everton to be better than anyone else who ever the manager is, and as you well know the honeymoon period will not last long for Koeman, unless he keeps making the breakfast, and washing the dishes and pouring the beers.
350 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:45:26
351 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:57:36
352 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:00:59
353 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:01:23
"You cannot deny that Southampton are currently a better outfit than us."
What do you base this on? League position I bet. So Leicester are bigger than Man U, Liverpool, Spurs et al?
You can't just take one factor into account. What about squads, new additions, potential, etc.
I will d4ny they're a better outfut as they aren't. They were third tier not so long ago, ridiculous statement.
354 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:02:26
355 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:08:47
356 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:09:09
Thank god, finger hurts from hitting refresh for the last 48 hours!
Welcome to the club RK
357 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:09:09
358 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:12:37
Protracted process maybe but definitely a sniff of rutlessness about it.
Time to renew my away supporters membership and join the faithful again.
359 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:16:50
360 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:17:12
361 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:22:10
362 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:22:54
Patrick@348, good read that, an unbiased reporter, it seems their like rocking horse shite sometimes.
363 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:22:54
Patrick@348, good read that, an unbiased reporter, it seems their like rocking horse shite sometimes.
364 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:23:00
Welcome RK hopefully you can turn this squad in to fit, hungry winners!!
365 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:23:35
Fancy him coming to a smaller club!
366 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:24:24
367 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:28:55
368 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:37:59
369 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:40:18
Maybe Matt, but so is spread betting with your mates on the outcome of a game.
370 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:43:15
371 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:45:49
Everton ARE a big club. They just haven't behaved like it in recent years !
372 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:49:34
Exciting times ahead. Thank you Mr Moshiri.
373 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:57:16
376 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:11:07
377 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:14:46
Jimmy Mc govern is the writer, not John.
There is another brother Joey, who is an
378 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:23:58
379 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:25:56
There'll be some spring-cleaning done now as from next week....
380 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:30:19
381 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:48:15
382 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:00:20
My message to the unfulfilled talented Le Tiss is simple.
"You're bitter ? Well suck it up !".
383 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:13:34
What is pleasing me most that Moshiri says nothing, Everton say nothing. He's let everyone else do the talking and it makes us look great, and in control.
And should it have gone tits up then, we could walk away without looking foolish. Not official yet but the whole thing reeks of a new professional era of a proper football club able to throw its weight around without being crass and amateur.
As for the players etc. I have no love love for Lukaku, never have. Truly a very good goal scorer but I want a little more from my centre forward, especially when you think of the players we've had play there.
I'd hope based on Koeman's playing career, and his Dutch nature, paradoxically both laid back & a disciplinarian Stones thinks about staying.
Barkely needs a huge Kick up the back side and believe discipline will make the player, rather than the aimless constant smoking blowing platitudes he got from Martinez.
No Forster for me, we should be aiming way higher for a postion that is key to any team and goes along way to determining success.
Seriously the rest I could take or leave.........
384 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:13:51
385 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:20:03
I think you have a made a mistake, I said nothing of the sort.
386 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:27:49
387 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:32:27
Thankfully we now have an owner who knows we are a big club rather than a plucky underdog punching above our Wright and taking a knife to a gun fight...unless others we could mention!
388 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:34:52
390 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:37:08
392 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:42:17
393 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:46:16
One year left on a reported £1.25M a year contract so why the £5M compenstion fee?
I'm glad we got him but think we paid slightly over the odds.
394 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:50:12
I'm sure Southampton feel sore but they are a prem feeder club nothing more. Europa league footie, a good scouting network and a new identikit meccano stadium doesn't make them a big club.
Pre Moshiri we would be looking at Moyes MkII or Eddie Howe.
Welcome and thank you Moshiri .........now about that stadium
395 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:02:08
Seems that Erwin and Jan Kluitenberg are coming along too, possibly the extra is in respect of them
Though as Saints are a small, selling club which generally holds a "car boot sale" each summer at St Mary's, maybe Bill has had first dibs on some theatrical ephemera ?
("Oooooh ! A Dame Sybil Thorndike snowstorm !").
To be honest, I don't really give a flying shite.
Koeman in, Check.
Now things start to get much more interesting.
396 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:06:27
397 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:12:31
398 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:14:42
They should all hang their heads in shame, step forward Big Nev and Michael Ball for standing up for us and demanding ambition.
399 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:15:51
400 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:19:10
The FFT article was spot on. This has been the action of a big club. Long may it continue.
Welcome Big Ron!
401 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:21:46
Now there's a man who could rant !
402 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:23:40
404 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:29:35
As things are starting to heat up with a new manager to be announced shortly, followed closely by all the transfer speculation (plus the euros) I think the live forum should be reinstated so we don't lose track of unfolding events.
406 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:37:26
They media will soon change their tune you had better believe it, if we start splashing the cash on top players.
So called 'big clubs' are that because of their spending power by whatever means, that's something we've lacked for a long time now, hopefully Mr Moshiri will step up to the plate and provide the funds.
There's every chance the other shareholders/owners will do likewise, after all they have stumped up reasonably well prompted by Martinez over the last few years.
Just don't expect us to set the world alight from the off, its going to take time in a League as solid as the Prem.
407 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:38:35
408 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:38:47
It's pretty straightforward. You cannot neccesarily buy yourself out of a contract unless you have a clause to that effect.If we want him now we have to negotiate with the other party to the contract to effectively terminate that contract. It's just becomes a figure the two sides are happy with.
It's no different to a player transfer. John Stones couldn't say to us last year Chelsea can just pay up the remaining four years of my contract and I'm off. That is why a transfer fee is paid to rip up an existing contract.
409 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:20:05
Well, if we're going to be the bad guy then so be it. Let's use It to our advantage. We've been too nice for too long. This time we've come along and taken what we wanted - exactly like the other "big clubs" do.
Our billionaire isn't the world's biggest and gone are the days of an oligarch coming into a club and buying the league - there are too many clubs with too much money for that to happen again. At best we can join the elite and that's what we must aim to do, by any means necessary.
The neutrals seem to be of the view that we are, indeed, no bigger than Southampton and therefore no bigger than West Ham or, God forbid, Stoke City. Let this be the call to arms and the opening shot that tells the entire footballing world that one of the footballing giants has just reawoken.
411 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:33:06
412 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:34:34
100 to 1 on now and Moyes out to 56-1; thank fuck those days are over because without the presence of Moshiri, I'd imagine his reappointment wouldn't have been too far away.
413 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:34:46
414 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:37:59
415 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:38:28
I have only heard good things about him and this is just the begining, and yes many Premiership clubs will have lots to spend, but we have a man in charge who will make things happen and convince people that that we are on the move.
Exciting times ahead I think.
416 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:38:29
I have only heard good things about him and this is just the begining, and yes many Premiership clubs will have lots to spend, but we have a man in charge who will make things happen and convince people that that we are on the move.
Exciting times ahead I think.
417 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:38:30
I have only heard good things about him and this is just the begining, and yes many Premiership clubs will have lots to spend, but we have a man in charge who will make things happen and convince people that that we are on the move.
Exciting times ahead I think.
418 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:39:38
419 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:48:28
Of course the most interesting footy tribunal case was Big Joe v Man City. He got them relegated and apparently took them to a tribunal for them not paying a Premiership bonus. Apparently his argument was that when he left they were still a Premiership club. Amazingly he won and got his money. City then appealed on the basis that though the season had not yet started, they were regarded as a Championship club. They won, so apparently Joe had to give them the money back!
Funny old game, eh?
422 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:50:41
Definitely warming to the idea. Whatever it does, it is a real statement from Moshiri.
423 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:53:37
426 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:00:24
427 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:05:27
The amount of snidey little comments coming from every angle is nauseating but to be expected. It's ok for 'their' anointed clubs to poach players and managers but plucky little Everton? No, that isn't in the script. Messrs Dunne, Wallace, Custiss bros, Richardson, Bates etc.....will be sharpening their knives.
No more noisy neighbours is their motto.
428 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:07:29
429 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:11:27
430 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:12:30
Fuckin' Magic !
Now let's return to being tigers on the pitch and make GP a hostile Bearpit !
We like "The Mosh" !!
And so what if that upsets the "Skybabies" ?
Here's a little music remember us by, a cuddly thankyou for the patronising dismissal ?
431 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:14:13
Kinda refreshing to see 'little plucky' Everton flexing some financial muscle and getting their intended target. Hopefully a sign of things to come.
432 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:17:19
433 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:20:50
434 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:25:38
435 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:25:46
437 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:34:26
438 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:36:03
439 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:36:03
Our Chilean Twins Everton de ViÃ±a del Mar, promoted to primera.
Tony Bellew WBC World Champ at "The Grand old Lady".
Everton, new owner, new manager, new attitude !
So because, as Dean @434 correctly pointed out, "The times they are a'changing ".
Have this offering in respect of our Evertonian family !
440 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:43:48
They are going to have to get used us like it or not. We don't care.
442 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:49:00
443 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:53:18
444 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:59:31
445 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:01:03
All we need now is for Russia to invade the Baltics and WW3 to start.
446 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:04:01
What I wouldn't give to see Moshiri show up at Goodison on the first day of the new season dressed as Willy Wonka (Gene Wilder version) and limping slowly on his cane towards the Directors box when suddenly .......
447 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:08:02
448 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:09:27
I don't normally swear in polite company but, to modify an old Everton song.... Fuck 'em all, Fuck 'em all....
449 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:09:37
League Position 2015-16:
Little club: 6th
Everton: 38,124 (96.4% capacity)
Little club: 30,750 (94.1% capacity)
2) Total Attendance
Everton: 724,356 (6th Highest Average Attendance)
Little club: 584,266 (13th Highest Average Attendance)
ALL Clubs attendance stats:
450 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:14:14
451 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:14:41
That scene would definitely beat the goal of the month slot every time.
452 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:16:30
It's us against them and we will shove their opinions up there arses.
Next on the agenda is a couple of real leaders on the pitch who aren't afraid to fire a rocket or two at those players who get away with strolling round the pitch like its a testimonial game.
Fuck this appreciative hand clap and big smile to a team mate that has over a pass by 10 yards or whatever.
All this shite has to stop.
I am hoping that Koeman can really stamp his authority on Everton and when players are out of order they fucking know from now this is not acceptable.
A new more ruthless Everton football team is what I want.
I want us in the faces of referees questioning every poor decision from here on in.
This could be the start of Everton really competing again, but big changes are required.
453 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:18:18
I personally don't need any washed up pundit who makes his money out of saying what his Sky masters demand in order to get a reaction out of the "glued" like audience who seemingly hang off their every comment.
We are Everton. We were "big" before Sky, have remained "big" despite their condescending attitude towards us and we will continue to be "big" as we are an institution of English football.
455 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:26:35
456 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:32:20
457 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:33:52
458 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:54:08
459 Posted 07/06/2016 at 23:11:43
I reckon you're spot on. We need some venom. A Steven Naismith on steroids. A real presence with Jack Russell tendencies and who better than Diego Costsa?
Can you think of anyone who pisses more people off and as a bonus he'll presumably be less likely to bite any of his new teammates.
God I miss Naisy.
460 Posted 07/06/2016 at 23:52:38
461 Posted 07/06/2016 at 23:55:40
462 Posted 07/06/2016 at 23:58:25
Thanks for that link, much appreciated.
I particularly liked "Mere weeks have passed, but comparing Southampton now to Everton then is comparing different eras.". Cracking stuff.
463 Posted 07/06/2016 at 00:09:37
When will the media/pundits show the respect our famous club deserves? Probably when we start winning stuff again. So let's start with a new manager.....
464 Posted 08/06/2016 at 00:13:22
465 Posted 08/06/2016 at 00:19:13
466 Posted 08/06/2016 at 00:55:51
467 Posted 08/06/2016 at 02:32:21
Fear the Mosh pit.
468 Posted 08/06/2016 at 07:04:04
To be honest, I'm still unsure whether I would have preferred FdB over RK, but I like reading things like "Everton have a bona fide winner in the dugout for the first time in an age."
469 Posted 08/06/2016 at 07:27:58
If we keep Stones and Barkley it will speak volumes in terms of what they have been promised and the new outlook of the club. If they stay it will irk a few other clubs, and perhaps they may come to realise that the sleeping giant has once again woken up.
470 Posted 08/06/2016 at 08:40:19
"Four months on, we have substance. Moshiri has not only begun to walk the walk, his first step was more of a leap. He has essentially rebranded Everton: wealthy, ambitious, proactive."
471 Posted 08/06/2016 at 08:54:01
472 Posted 08/06/2016 at 09:08:17
473 Posted 08/06/2016 at 10:45:13
474 Posted 08/06/2016 at 10:51:33
475 Posted 08/06/2016 at 11:16:48
Barkley...been poor for two years. Martinez's fault? Possibly. But surely he can run three yards to try to tackle someone, rather than lazily trot about?
476 Posted 08/06/2016 at 12:40:23
I hope we have more like £200m for transfers, coz £100m is gonna get stretched real thin considering the number of bodies we need to bring in. Unless there are some real talents in the youth set up that could be promoted to the senior squad to take some of the pressure off!
477 Posted 08/06/2016 at 12:51:15
478 Posted 08/06/2016 at 13:43:44
479 Posted 08/06/2016 at 13:49:42
480 Posted 08/06/2016 at 14:03:12
481 Posted 08/06/2016 at 14:07:07
482 Posted 08/06/2016 at 14:52:53
I know which I prefer.
483 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:27:56
484 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:28:33
485 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:31:26
486 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:38:01
Interesting story of how Ronald Koeman once used a german shirt as toilet paper.
Our new manager has passion all right.
487 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:39:48
Thanks for the Telegraph link - a really good piece.
It deserves to more prominence here on TW, rather than being buried away in a near 500 post thread.
488 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:52:04
The Telegraph article provides some perspective on EFC's history and standing with the renewed ambition and resources that Moshiri appears to have brought.
I can't think of a better article in the mainstream press concerning us for years.
It brings to mind an old tee shirt with a Muhammad Ali image and the words 'what's our name - Everton' beneath it.
Now for some silverware please.
489 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:55:12
490 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:57:27
491 Posted 08/06/2016 at 18:08:17
very good friend of mine lived in Germany and their biggest game is against the Dutch, England barely register on the 'must win' scale. The Dutch agree with that sentiment and want to beat them all the time and every time .That might explain his shirt ass wiping a bit more.
My missus who lived in the Netherlands (Holland is an area not the country BTW) for 5 years has said the same, the Dutch LOVE to beat the Germans , again England are down the list.
492 Posted 08/06/2016 at 18:12:18
493 Posted 08/06/2016 at 18:13:59
494 Posted 08/06/2016 at 18:24:16
496 Posted 08/06/2016 at 18:59:38
497 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:04:25
498 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:14:14
499 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:23:06
500 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:30:43
Tut, it's anything with some people.
501 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:49:19
502 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:51:03
Funny.. 2 days ago I was told to cheer up after saying Koeman was not my first, 2nd or 3rd choice... but was hopeful and would wait and see.
After that read I moved to ya it really is a statement of intent. Shows a real determination by Moshiri with some real feel good points.
In the top 50 managers I linked a week or so ago Koeman was very high on the list - top 7 if memory serves. But that wasn't enough to persuade.
Now after the Telegraph article I'm like "Hell Yeah!" It opened my eyes even more to the fact that he might actually be one heck of a manager ! In fact I wouldn't want anyone else! To take a manager from a team that will be in Europe next season and give Koeman arguably more exposure shows we are for real! Everton are being spoken about again in the same breath as "big" boys. Shit, even Merson called us an outside chance for the title! All because we have pulled off Koeman!
Power of the press .....
503 Posted 08/06/2016 at 21:26:01
504 Posted 08/06/2016 at 22:40:52
Lets get him in so he can start planning for the new season, it promises to be something special...can't wait for it to start.
505 Posted 08/06/2016 at 22:42:24
Reading the conjecture about our new owner/manager etc I wonder what words of wisdom Harold would have brought to the table - always full of insight and common sense he is sadly missed from this site.
506 Posted 08/06/2016 at 22:47:13
507 Posted 08/06/2016 at 22:48:49
In contrast, Everton is, in the long-run, a club of sustained expectation and achievement. The latter has been sparse for 20 or years and more, but that doesn't change the overall high expectation. Combine that expectation with financial resources, like now, and the future should be rosy. COYB
508 Posted 08/06/2016 at 22:56:38
Obviously all the words in the world won't help, because it's the actions we all want to see, but remember nobody from the club has uttered a word, there may have been careful leaks to the press but nothing definitive has yet been said by those in charge of the club - if nothing has been resolved by this time next week, I may start to go into panic mode, but I hope all is in place by the weekend or by the time Ronald ends his holiday.
509 Posted 08/06/2016 at 23:05:25
510 Posted 09/06/2016 at 01:31:47
I would wet myself laughing if Diego Simeone is announced as our new boss next week while Koeman is lying on a beach somewhere.
511 Posted 09/06/2016 at 03:22:36
No doubt our dear club is going to be a different prospect next season, only for the better we all hope.
However, the top clubs (at which level we are hoping to be at), are already making moves to sign up players.
Meanwhile we are yet to lock in our manager, with nothing but silence coming from the club (no surprises there!). Seriously, the club needs to pull their collective finger out and get on with things already!
513 Posted 09/06/2016 at 07:59:43
Many Saints fans believe that brother Erwin is the real power behind Ronald's throne as the brothers are set to go up against each other for the first time.
Perhaps, just perhaps, not such a good deal after all ?
514 Posted 09/06/2016 at 09:16:12
Anyway, they are both coming.
515 Posted 09/06/2016 at 10:20:30
516 Posted 09/06/2016 at 10:32:26
517 Posted 09/06/2016 at 10:35:22
518 Posted 09/06/2016 at 10:43:21
I suspect it is so that there can be a full press conference with Koeman outlining his plans for the team.
519 Posted 09/06/2016 at 10:58:25
520 Posted 09/06/2016 at 11:19:01
The mosh has got his man and will not unveil him until the time is right and he has returned from his holiday with his family.
Imagine the outcry from the press and the fans if Koeman had been pictured holding a shirt up at Finch Farm and then disappeared for 10 days on holiday.
It's a no brainer, wait until he returns and then get him unveiled.
We should be enjoying this period and being Evertonians right now.
Some of the stuff being written about us is extremely positive right now and is providing me with real good vibes in relation to next season.
Well done to all involved so far as the way they have gone about their business has got the press sitting up and paying attention.
Can't wait until we get Koeman in place though, to see who we are linked with as well as the enhanced press coverage.
Good or bad, we are in the headlines and I for one welcome it.
Despite me not appreciating Lukaku talking up a move prior to the Euros, I think he will stay once he has sat down with the Mosh and Koeman and listened to their plans.
A decision I would welcome if it happened.
Onwards and upwards Evertonians!!
521 Posted 09/06/2016 at 12:24:47
I has thought that the £5M compo was to cover the two Koemans and their fitness coach !
522 Posted 09/06/2016 at 12:49:00
523 Posted 09/06/2016 at 13:04:38
Just out of interest, did you ever state a preference for a new manager, or just have 'Meh...Seventhish' on your clipboard ready to paste whoever came in?
524 Posted 09/06/2016 at 13:11:16
525 Posted 09/06/2016 at 14:17:31
526 Posted 09/06/2016 at 14:26:05
"The Koemans would have a foot in both camps." They're not the illuminati. They're individuals each concerned with their own success. Nobody queried Jack playing for Leeds with Bobby at Man U. What a bizarre statement.
527 Posted 09/06/2016 at 14:37:04
528 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:04:10
It's always amazing how the media can pad out a story with minimal information, and dig up the likes of Le Tissier to provide irrelevant comments.
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