Koeman delay almost over as clubs agree terms

by | 06/06/2016  478 Comments  [Jump to last]
Updated Ronald Koeman is expected to be announced as Everton's manager this week after a deal over compensation was agreed with Southampton.

Reports on Friday and Saturday had suggested that the Dutchman had come to an agreement over personal terms with the Blues with his with Rob Jansen quoted by Voetbal International as saying: "We have reached an aggrement with Everton, Now it is up to the clubs."

Jansen has since claimed he had been misquoted in the Dutch press and that talks between the Blues and Saints were still ongoing but all indications are that everything has been resolved, with a settlement as high as £5m.

"That's really not the case," Jansen had said in reference to the deal being done and all terms agreed with Koeman. "First, the clubs must have agreed. Then we get back into action. I can not say whether his brother Erwin will go along as an assistant. That's all still premature now. Let's just quietly wait if the clubs come to an agreement."

The final details regarding the makeup of Koeman's back room staff are believed to have been one of outstanding issues but they, too, look to be settled. Fitness coach Jan Kluitenberg has been mentioned as one man who would come north with his compatriot while goalkeeping coach David Watson is another but the latter looks set to stay on the south coast. Sammy Lee is not believed to be a candidate to join the Blues' coaching setup — he has been talked about in terms of joining Rafael Benitez at Newcastle United.

Koeman has left the country again on holiday, leaving Jansen to complete the formalities of his switch to Goodison but while his official unveiling to the media is unlikely to take until next week, his absence should not preclude the announcement by Everton within the next couple of days.

Update 7 June: Following reports to the same effect by the BBC and Sky Sports, Koeman's agent Jansen has told the Liverpool Echo that all aspects of the deal have now been agreed. Confirmation is now expected from the two clubs.

 

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Aidy Dews
1 Posted 05/06/2016 at 13:39:07
Seems Koeman's agent is back tracking on what he said to Dutch tv outlets, claiming he's been misquoted. Now is he covering himself, Koeman and ourselves by now saying things aren't agreed between Koeman and us and that their waiting on the 2 clubs to agree a deal before talks can continue as if what he said to Dutch TV is genuine, then us, Koeman and his agent would get done for wrong doing, poaching and making an illegal approach without Southampton's consent?!

Don't know why, but to me, something doesn't seem right with all what's going on. Koeman is meant to be our Number 1 target and apparently we're willing to pull out all the stops to get our man, offer him double your money in wages and massive funds, yet we're haggling over ١-4 million in compensation?! Didn't we pay Wigan around ٣m for Martinez under the old regime?! Surely ١-4m under the Moshiri regime is just a drop in the ocean to him, especially if he's willing to pay Koeman around ٤-7m a year and money seems to be no object on that front?!

Could it be possible that Koeman's agent Rob Jansen is using us to get has much has possible out of Southampton with regards to a new deal and funds for future building etc?!...

Eugene Ruane
2 Posted 05/06/2016 at 13:51:12
Ian Guignet
3 Posted 05/06/2016 at 13:57:59
All this smells.... and is he really better than what we just had? Move on Moshiri, please.
Oscar Huglin
4 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:00:56
Uh oh.
Tom Bowers
5 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:16:04
Could only happen with Everton.
Why don't the morons in the media cease and desist from reporting conjecture. I guess it just proves most of them have no talent for their work and just make up stories which, let's face it, any child can do.
Tony Hill
6 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:16:06
Oh well, it could never have gone smoothly could it? If this doesn't happen then so be it. Southampton may be flexing some muscle for the benefit of their fans.

If Southampton do strike some poses then Moshiri doesn't seem the sort to hang around and wait.

Nigel Gregson
7 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:19:03
good don't really want him anyway.
David Price
8 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:20:06
He just wanted Sunday in the garden and a few beers, back on Monday. No worries.
Ged Simpson
9 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:29:00
Everton have said nowt....and we moan. The media says loads...and we moan. The agent speaks to media...we moan. Sure....we want to know but time to have patience and not believe those paid to sell us stories.
Rick Pattinson
10 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:29:20
Want this is to happen so hope it falls through.
Colin Glassar
11 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:30:23
Aww, tired of this shit now. If there's no agreement by tomorrow let's move on. There are other managers out there (cheaper as well) like Pellegrini, FdB and I've even heard Emery has now stated his interest.

Let's not waste any more time. Pre season arrangements have to be made, transfer targets identified and signed, Hibbo's wake organised etc....

Phil Jeffries
12 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:33:24
Have we all really swallowed the press feed that we had already spoken to Koeman before signing a deal? The press haven't had a clue what's been happening at Goodison all through this pre-season, so why start reading into it now? Moshiri is dealing with this and I'm sure it will be done properly. End of story. Yes the 'bad feeling' is always present with Everton, but if it wasn't for Moshiri, we wouldn't even be speaking with the guy. Just chilax and come back on in 48 hours when he has been unveiled or turned us down!
Dan Davies
13 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:48:06
Southampton more than likely playing funny fuckers, Koemans agent backtracking now because it's been reported as a done deal when we have no real proof they have even agreed for Everton to hold talks with him yet!

Deep breath chill out. If he comes he comes if not we move on there are still other managers out there that are up to the job. Lazy Sunday afternoon.

Paul Kossoff
14 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:49:47
There you go, every fucking yard dog who has sacked the manager either has someone already lined up before he goes, or gets a new man in with in a week... Not us, though, why? Well, this is Everton – that's why.
Dave Abrahams
15 Posted 05/06/2016 at 14:52:24
It's Sunday a day of rest, so why don't you give this story a day off, it will be back tomorrow.
Patrick Murphy
17 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:01:47
My god Paul, you must live a wonderful life where everything that is asked is granted immediately, there were always likely to be issues when attempting to lure a contracted manager from whichever club.

Everton have not uttered one word in public as to whether they are interested in Koeman or not, obviously the local press and the bookies seem convinced that the Saints boss is Goodison bound as they run stories about Ronald on an hourly basis, and the bookmakers have almost closed the book on Koeman becoming the next Everton manager.

Supporting Everton for some people seems to be a replacement for kicking the cat, anything remotely negative that has the name Everton attached to it, is pounced upon with almost gleeful relish.

By this time tomorrow evening Koeman may well be the new manager of Everton, if he isn't then the club has to alter its targets and move on. No disgrace in that situation really is there? Particularly if the club is aiming for the best person available to fill the vacancy.

Bill Gall
18 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:03:39
Why are people surprised? There has been nothing official from Everton in regards to who the new manager will be, everything is just rumors from journalists to sell their papers.

There is so much information and uninformative journalism thrown around for something to write about, that people will still believe Elvis is alive if enough publicity is written about it.

The only thing I look for when I log on to TW is a picture of someone holding up an Everton shirt with the caption, that "This is Everton's new manager".

It sounds like to me that Koeman's agent is not even sure what is going on.

Raymond Fox
19 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:05:40
What's the saying, believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear.

There's a mountain of tripe come from the media, after all their in the entertainment business, making money is their first priority.

I think it will happen, whens another matter.

Jamie Crowley
20 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:07:12
There's no history or evidence to base this feeling on but... I trust Moshri to do the right thing for Everton.

This hang up is a very normal thing. It'll get sorted one way or the other, and if Moshri wants Koeman he'll get him.

If Moshri feels he's been duped or screwed somehow and takes an 11th hour pass on Koeman?

Fine. Again not sure why I just trust him.

It'll all be fine in the end.

Damian Wilde
21 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:07:57
Stop moaning everybody, jeez listen to yourselves. Enjoy your Sunday.

Colin:

"Aww, tired of this shit now. If there's no agreement by tomorrow let's move on."

Seriously? Maybe get you in Colin, you a top negotiator?

Brian Williams
22 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:08:20
Calm the fuck down. It's not like buying a loaf down the Co-op.

Koeman only got back from the Caribbean at the end of the week.

FFS, I'd hate to see some of the panic merchants on here in a real "situation".


Paul Kossoff
23 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:08:31
Dave, we haven't got a manager or backroom staff, the whole team needs a good seeing to and we need new players in asap.

We were in shit street when Martinez was here and we are still in it. Any manager of note will be snapped up soon enough, and as per we will be linked to the dregs.

48 hours is a long time in football, especially in close season, teams are already signing players for next season and we don't even have a manager.

No, I won't and can't relax until we have a done deal for whoever Moshiri wants.

Phil Bellis
24 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:08:42
Agree with Dave; breaking one of my "never do" mantras by posting from a beer garden...Bob Marley applies..."Woke up this mornin...."
Mike Green
25 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:11:13
No one's said at any point that it's all agreed across the board have they? I don't know why so may people, including the bookies, have assumed it's done and dusted – I've been away for a week and only looked occasionally but we've not heard a peep out of Koeman saying he wants to come have we?

However, managers' contracts are like players' contracts: if he wants out ,Southampton will let him go – otherwise, he could cause complete havoc.

Ignore the press and wait for the official word. They're just trying to sell papers and be first to the story. And his agent's just playing the game too isn't he. Relax.....

John Daley
27 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:13:09
"Aww, tired of this shit now. If there's no agreement by tomorrow let's move on"

Yeah, because that makes sense if he really is the clubs number one choice by a considerable margin. Give up and go for someone lower down the list at the very first hurdle?

It's been a couple of days since the news broke, Colin. No need to come over like you've been left waiting around longer than that Grail guarding, got-to-be-bored-out-of-his-brains, Richard Branson resembling, beardy quilt of a Knight who completely ruined the end of Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade.

Obviously, Southampton aren't going to just roll over and give Everton what they want, when they want, if they're adverse to losing the guy. Why would/should they? They'll look to resist the inevitable for as long as they can if they believe there's still any possibility of changing Koeman's mind. It may prove to be nothing more than simple posturing at this point, digging their heels in to save face and show a bit of fight for the fans benefit but, until they give the nod, nothing can (be seen to) proceed.

Damian Wilde
28 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:14:43
A task to keep the moaners occupied:

Come up with a tune for Koeman from the song 'Da Do Ron Ron'.

Paul Kossoff
29 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:17:37
Patrick 17, I'm a Christian, and I have never asked for anything in my life but health for my family and peace on the planet, so you are wrong on that. I retain the right to bitch, and moan and complain about anything to do with my club if I want.

I don't put the blame on cats regarding all things Everton, I hate cats though. So I will continue to expect thing's to go wrong with Everton as when they do I'm not too disappointed.

Paul Kossoff
30 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:25:51
Da do Ron Ron Ron da do Ron Ron
Went for Ron on the Saturday and our hearts stood still
Didn't get him on the Sunday and Dave said chill
Patrick said Paul calm down and take a pill
Uncle bill said let's get Davy in, if looks could kill
Da do Ron Ron ron da do Ron Ron.

Patrick Murphy
32 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:31:36
Paul (29) I'm with you on cats and I wouldn't advocate harming them in any way. I understand that supporting Everton can be a trying and faith sapping pursuit - perhaps the words used by Violet Fane (1843-1905) in her poem Tout vient ß qui sait attendre. should be adhered to.

'Ah, all things come to those who wait,'
(I say these words to make me glad),
But something answers soft and sad,
'They come, but often come too late.'

I don't believe it will be too late to appoint a manager even if it goes into the start of the Euro's there is no panic yet - better to get the best person than to rush into an ill-judged appointment.

Kieran Kinsella
33 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:33:21
John Daley

The Grail guard was a tosser. His job was pointless cause if anyone nicked the cup the whole place went down in an earthquake. We don't have to worry or not worry about earthquakes at Goodison but naturally people are a bit frustrated that we are offering King Solomons gold to the littlest Hobo and we can't even get it over the line.

Teddy Bertin
34 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:36:15
So much impatience on here. Calls of if the deals not done tomorrow then move on. What? How can people come out with these statements with no idea what's going on behind he scenes.

The hold up might be over a salary for Koeman's brother or over image rights or anything.

Contracts take time to agree. There's got to be back and forth between the lawyers and the club's over compensation, then back and forth between the lawyers over the management contract, then back and forth over the backroom staff salaries, compensation etc etc. Rarely is it a case of agents, officials and lawyers round the table and things thrashed out then and there. Plus a lot of people are probably not working over the weekend. There's no reason for lawyers to lose their weekend to rush this deal through.

It'll go through when it goes through. Koeman will be an asset if he comes. Not the big name that will pull in massive players but a solid choice and man who knows the league.

First job is get as much money for Lukaku as possible.

John Daley
35 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:36:40
He hadn't signed by Monday, Colin's heart stood still
Just do one Ron, Ron, Just do one Ron
Don't know whose fault it is but I'm blaming Bill
Just do one Ron, Ron, Just do one Ron

Yeah, Colin's heart stood still
Bet it was fucking Bill,
This thing's going slower than a one legged gnome,
Just do one Ron, Ron, just do one Ron

Nick Entwistle
38 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:40:07
If its not Koeman, is a sneaker fiver on Moyes at 18/1 worth it?
Jim Lloyd
39 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:41:27
It still looks to me that the agent has originally said that Koeman has agreed personal terms with the club and that now it is between the clubs (presumably to discuss any compensation to Southampton and to decide any compensation if any of his team have been given permission to follow him)

The agent seems to have re stated or (this is a laugh clarified that the discussions between the clubs are ongoing)

Now either the agent is a bit of a dickhead (possible) or he is saying that negotiations are ongoing between the clubs. There is nothing new to whast he has first said, that I can see.

What needs clarifying is whether a) our club has sought permission to talk to him and his agent. The agent has originally been quoted as saying that Koeman has agreed personal terms and that it is now between the clubs.

If talks are still ongoing, as the agent is saying, then there appears to be no difference to his first quote.,

Now I'm going for a lie down as my head's spinning.

I can't see Mr Moshiri going about any negotiations/discussions, arse about face, so I think we'd be better off seeing what the morrow brings.

Chris Williams
40 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:41:42
Neither club has said a word on this as yet, and that is absolutely as it should be. Until it is all cut and dried there is nothing to say.

The rest is gobshite so called journalists guessing, recycling other articles as their own and mis quoting people. Knobheads!

That was always the Everton way of doing things when we had some success.

Once it happens it will be announced.

Trevor Lynes
44 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:57:16
We never do business very quickly and that goes for incoming transfers too.

Nothing happens really smoothly and brinkmanship seems to be quite normal for us!

David Booth
45 Posted 05/06/2016 at 15:58:45
Agents just cannot keep their over-paid gobs shut can they?

Such shamless publicity-seekers - on the backs of someone else's fame and fortune.

They really are more vile, self-centred, vain and slimy than some of the people they 'represent'.

Starting to get a hint of imminent egg-on-our-face here...

Too many of us starting to count our chickens. Me included.

John Daley
46 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:01:20
"The Grail guard was a tosser"

I thought that was made pretty clear when he asked Indy to come closer because his eye's don't work so well anymore? Can't blame the guy. What else was he going to get up to in there? As for that fountain he was sat by, the one the Nazi used to fill the cup up with? Like a swig of water would cause that sort of reaction?

Then you've got his very final appearance. Was he waving goodbye or victoriously signalling the fact he'd managed to fit in one last shuffle?

Barry Skinner
47 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:04:12
Oh well, if it all goes wrong, there is always Moyes to fall back on...
Denis Richardson
49 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:08:05
Am confident this will still come through, just give it a little more time until we agree on comp with S'ton. The club have not said anything yet, much like the RM sacking, so people will be working in the back ground.

No immediate rush, not many transfers will happen during the Euros anyway, hopefully this will be sorted in the next day or two.

Colin Glassar
50 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:14:33
It's Sunday ffs John, I want some news. I'm bored stiff waiting.

P.S. I still think it will be Pellegrini when the dust settles. This is all manouevering on everyone's part

Damian Wilde
51 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:16:34
Excellent song lyrics, chaps!

What I am not happy with are the dregrading and disgraceful comments about the 'Grail Knight' (not guard). The man is a legend. The delivery of these lines

"He chose...poorly."

And

"You have chosen...wisely."

was exceptional.

These lines could be delivered to Moshiri regarding his choice of manager.

I suspect the Grail Knight is disliked on here because he has incredible patience, which is clearly lacking on here.

Can there be punishment for Kieran? Calling him a 'tosser' was the height of disrespect.

John Pickles
52 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:19:24
I can't help thinking if I was a fan of a team managed by Mourinho (6 major league titles, 3 European cups), Guardiola (6 major league titles, 2 European cups), Conte (3 major league titles), Wenger (3 major league titles) or Klopp (2 major league titles, 1 Champions League runner-up), that I'd by be too nervous about Everton signing Koeman (1 major league domestic cup).

Add to that Pochettino and Ranieri's success with current clubs and I'm surprised Ronald is considered the guy to spearhead an assault on a top 4 finish.

His Premier League record is on a par with Moyes and his cup record with Martinez.

Christopher Dover
53 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:22:55
For those who cannot wait Moyes is free and would no doubt sign tonight, this should make you all happy it's done quick, now wether you actually want him? But it would be quick problem solved.
Mark Tanton
54 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:25:24
There is obviously strategic briefing going on, though what each camp hopes to gain is unclear.
Damian Wilde
55 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:26:42
John, do you mean Klopp who has lost five finals on the bounce? Can I ask, would you expect RK to win trophies with a small club like Southampton?

What I think could improve Everton is having you as club psychologist, John, cheer everyone up and make them feel super confident. After your one-one session with RK, he addresses the squad: "listen lads I know Klopp et al don't fear me as I'm pretty rubbish, but try your best."

James Hughes
56 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:28:33
I would have to second Damian's point about the Grail Knight a genuine legend and a patient man. Little known fact fact is that he is a Spurs fan, obvious really as you would need to be that old to recall them winning the league.

And to John Daley if you put water in my scotch,you will see that sort of reaction from me....

Kieran Kinsella
57 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:38:07
I don't know that patience is a virtue in football. Forget Spurs, the Grail guard is probably waiting for Preston NE to regain the title. Pretty sure he laced the water with hydrogen peroxide too. If we want to progress we need to be more like Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Ross. "The bad news is you're fired, (board, players, toffee lady, etc) the good news is that you've got 24 hours to win your job back."
Damian Wilde
58 Posted 05/06/2016 at 16:49:43
I honestly think the Grail Knight should be drafted in to our new management team; he'd bring calm, wisdom, and respect. But also ruthlessness, anybody who is being a knob gets to drink out of the wrong cup.

After a lazy performance from Rom and he sups some water and subsequent disintegration:

"He chose...poorly; his Father is next."

Cue an enormous shift in effort and attitude from everyone.

He could be our 'water boy'.

John Hammond
60 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:10:10
Bloody hell, everyone needs to just chill out and wait for concrete news from the club.
Tony Sullivan
61 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:25:41
Ged Simpson (9)
Absolutely, spot on with your comments.
Andrew Presly
62 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:26:22
"He chose.....poorly / wisely" is a staple phrase that suits so many occasions & I give the Grail Knight a similar vote of confidence in light of these scandalous tosser / quilt jibes.....
John Pickles
63 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:30:11
Damian, Klopp had to get to (I make it) 6 finals to lose them and with the possible exception of Werder Bremen, I don't make him favourite to win any of them.

If there was a poll as to 'Who would you want as manager of your club, Klopp or Koeman?' I'm sure it would be in favour of Klopp.

You seem to have something to say on just about everything at the moment, so please, why is Koeman the guy to get the better of the highly successful managers I mentioned?

Tony Sullivan
64 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:31:13
Patrick Murphy (17)
Even more spot on than Ged Simpson(9) if that's possible.
Well said mate.
Denis Richardson
65 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:44:29
John - bit harsh to completely ignore the 3 Dutch titles RK also has, 2 with Ajax and 1 with PSV.

You may not call the Dutch league a 'major' one but at the end of the day Spain only has 3 teams that compete for the title and Germany only really has 2 (or even 1 now). Also Liverpool only managed to finish 8th (although I really do rate Klopp). Everyone raves about Guadiola but he's managed Barca with Messi et al and Bayern who are miles better/richer than anyone else in the league. Hardly a massive achievement winning the BL or Liga A with the players he had. Looking forward to seeing what he can do with City, with a lot more competition in the league.

RK has improved S'ton in each of the two years he's been there so let's see what he can do with us (when he eventually comes). Not expecting to win the league next year but I am expecting to finish a lot better than 11th. Leicester have shown everyone that the sky 4/5 are no longer a million miles better. Every team now has so much cash that the playing field has been truly levelled. Chelsea and Liverpool didn't even qualify for Europe last season!

Colin Glassar
66 Posted 05/06/2016 at 17:53:39
Good points Denis. I can't wait to see how Guardiola shapes up here. As you say, he's used to winning his mini-leagues, with extraordinary players, with relative ease. Here it's a different kettle of fish where, on their day, anyone can beat anyone.

He'll never have faced a WBA or a Stoke, away from home, on a cold winters day. As he's quite high maintenance I can see him going into a Mourinho type meltdown at some point. He's a great manager but I think he will be tested here like never before.

As for Koeman, I understand he's agreed terms and buggered off to Turkey to finish his hols. It's now up to the clubs to finalise the deal. I don't think we'll see him holding the scarf until the week after next at the earliest.

Tony Hill
67 Posted 05/06/2016 at 18:01:09
The frustration comes from comparing us with other teams who seem to be able to transact their business speedily. Celtic, Man United, Watford, Newcastle, even Leeds have sorted themselves out with relative ease.

I don't know what it is but nothing ever seems just to get done with us. I'm not complaining but I do understand the impatience. I also agree with Paul (23), we need to move with some speed.

John Pickles
68 Posted 05/06/2016 at 18:07:27
Denis, the fact of the matter is, the Eredivisie isn't a major league I'm afraid. I work with the Dutch and they are the first to say it. The money isn't there so neither are the top players.

You mentioned Pep won with a favoured side in Spain, true, as did Koeman in Holland. McLaren managed it with with a lesser team, I hope we're not linked with him.

Don't get me wrong, I like what Koeman is doing at Southampton, I ,just don't see why he seems the runaway favourite.

Chris Gould
69 Posted 05/06/2016 at 18:09:08
Well, John, he got the better of Klopp last season. Finished higher in the league with a team that isn't expected to finish in the top half. Beating them 3-2 after trailing 2-0.
He also beat Tottenham, Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea along the way. With a notable draw against Leicester.
Doesn't seem to have any hangups with playing the so called big teams.
John Pickles
71 Posted 05/06/2016 at 18:25:21
Chris, true and we could certainly do with a bit of that!
Andy Meighan
72 Posted 05/06/2016 at 18:26:56
Whats there to worry about. The barbie's on, the burgers and the sausage are superb. The beers are ice cold and the enemy is reading a book and not even talking. Life is just wonderful at times.

Koeman will be ours by the end of the week believe me. Now back to that beer.

Anthony Flack
73 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:00:12
UK Telegraph just reported it's done.
Michael O'Brien
74 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:11:48
Maybe theirs more to it...like Moshiri is masterminding a plan to get the likes of Simeone or Emery, by subtly leaking things to the press about Koeman being our target, so as to light a fire under there asses and see who really wants to come to Everton? maybe its a long shot, but im sure these types of mind games go on all the time in the EPL.
Phil Walling
75 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:16:57
Just read that Moyes is favourite to take over from Koeman at Saints. Would be interesting to see which of our two candidates prevails in the Prem next season !
Frank Crewe
76 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:18:42
Funny I read Eddie Howe is favourite.
Patrick Murphy
77 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:20:06
Double wammy there Phil, how will Saints fans react to a manager who won't stand in the way of ambitious players leaving to better themselves?
Brian Harrison
78 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:25:59
Koeman will sign this week, probably either Everton or Southampton have had a word over his agent leaking details, and quite rightly so.
I am sure he and Everton want to announce the signing asap, to allow him to speak to Lukaku and Stones before the Euros start.

He will no doubt have a list of players he would be interested in signing, and it wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't already given Moshiri his wish list.

Tony Draper
79 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:27:24
Whilst I'm not for a second suggesting that this "Koeman Approach", is nothing more than "smoke & mirrors" or indeed has become "the handiwork of the gay bear from Rainbow".

But, in the absence of anything more than us TWers indulging in virtual pub-talk, what if the RK biz does go belly up ?

I hadn't finally made a definitive choice, because I could find so much to like in Emery, De Boer, Pellegrini, Koeman.
Likewise I was encouraged that we seemed to be steering clear of the "You Know Who's".

What I'm saying (pretty awkwardly), is that if it isn't Koeman, then I see us still having strong options open.

Frank Crewe
80 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:27:31
@Tony 67.

Maybe because those clubs went for managers that were not already employed at other clubs or, as in the case of the barcodes, was already at the club as a temp manager. If we wanted a quick appointment we could have had any number of unemployed managers.

We on the other hand are trying to get a manager who already has a job with another PL club so it is going to take longer.

Tony Hill
81 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:29:30
Yes, fair point Frank.
John Pierce
82 Posted 05/06/2016 at 19:50:11
Everton are at last behaving in manor reminiscent of ah'em Arsenal. saying nothing is the way forward, let either the other club, individual or agent say what they want. Everton so far in the search for a new manager have been beyond reproach IMO.

I would expect the same when buying players, too many bungled leaks from the club that have scared players off. When we buy someone I'm expecting the selling club to announce the fee and Everton to say 'undisclosed'. This is a the mark of a well run club.

Whilst 'Colin's need for action is perhaps a little soon for many, I do share his desire should the deal become an prolonged, we should just walk away. For example any reluctance on Koeman's behalf should be met with a clear stance that we are happy to move on should he stall.

I want to see Everton handle themselves with pride and the stature of a 'big club', not the Ant Hill mob trying to save Penelope PitStop. This is the sea change I want to see, whether we land Koeman or not is really the issue for me.

Word soon gets around how a club deals with this type of thing, if the footballing community think you are bunglers serious candidate will be miles from Goodison Park.

We as a club have long be considered less than professional in most matters and I can't really challenge that view as 'we' the supporters are often the ones pointing the finger!

Paul Nicholls
83 Posted 05/06/2016 at 20:18:51
As I said earlier today on the other Koeman thread, please don't be surprised if this goes tits up:
"Still no agreement in place between Everton and Southampton according to Alan Irwin on SSN. Still time for us to fuck this up. We can't, can we?"
Michael Neely
84 Posted 05/06/2016 at 21:28:49
So, if the clubs are still in talks and no agreement can be reached, what happens then? Does Koeman stay or has he burned his bridges? Southampton have billionaire owners, what if they offer him £6m a year and a transfer chest, would he find us as attractive a proposal then? I doubt it. He's coming to us for the money, reneging on a contract he was about to extend after promising to stay. What a man of honour.
Is this the calibre of man we want to be our manager?
Ian Burns
85 Posted 05/06/2016 at 21:47:43
Apropro nothing to do with this thread - directly at least. I see Lukaku's agent was in Monte Carlo this weekend "on business".

The hold-up with Koeman is only a matter of getting the protocols in order. I believe this will be done within 48 to 72 hours.

Ray Griffin
86 Posted 05/06/2016 at 21:56:58
This is a really good forum & one I engage with on a regular basis, However, it has always had it's fair share of pessimists & moaners and it has now reached a new level in that we have people ranting about 'typical Everton behavior' for no reason whatsoever. As has been pointed out earlier, there has been no comment at all from the club so calm down & wait and see what happens.

I wonder who will post the first 'Koeman out' comment?

Peter Cummings
88 Posted 05/06/2016 at 22:16:12
Reading some of the posts, I get the impression that a large section of the posters are not keen on the Dutchman anyway and this includes me, I know it's part and parcel of today's game to renege on contracts and crap on your employers for every excuse except the real one – more and more MONEY!!!

Players who jump ship spout about wanting 'cups and medals' and ''money isn't important'' but they kid us not; in reality, they want the mansions, Rolls Ryces, Bentleys and Jags, and how do they get it all?? By making lots of MONEY! To hell with their clubs and the fans... and as for 'loyalty' – you must be joking.

And now we have our own, 'will he, won't he, shall he, shan't he' saga, aided and abetted by Everton's, yet again, infamous Refusal of Information Act. Why the hell do we bother?

David Booth
89 Posted 05/06/2016 at 22:17:48
Koeman out.


Jokin' I am!

Denis Richardson
90 Posted 05/06/2016 at 22:21:17
John 68, reason I posted was that you decided to ignore the fact that he'd won three titles in the Netherlands when listing what the other managers had won. You only have him credit for winning the cup in Spain. Netherlands may not be a 'major' league but still an achievement, especially with two different clubs.

I'd say that's more of an achievement than winning the Bundesliga with Bayern, where there's no real competition at the moment.

Anyway, he may not be everyone's No 1 pick but I think every Everton fan the world over would take him over Moyes or Martinez. Given we were never going to get a 'super manager' I think he's definitely one of the best of the rest. He's also done a decent job in the transfer market.

After Ranieri, we can at least dream again.

Laura Round
92 Posted 05/06/2016 at 22:44:28
And the Express reports Koeman will be given permission to formally speak with us tomorrow.
David Midgley
93 Posted 05/06/2016 at 23:26:02
John (#46). That was heavy water. The atomic stuff.

Lots of these posts seem to be getting quite lyrical.

I wonder what Will Shakespeare would be posting if he was alive. I imagine he would have been a blue.

Jayne Smith
94 Posted 05/06/2016 at 23:40:26
I want to wake up in the morning and see it all confirmed. Then the new manager can start making his mark and sifting through the squad.
Bob Parrington
95 Posted 05/06/2016 at 23:46:04
So the agent has set it up for the two clubs to talk to one another? Yes/No? If no – it's all been media crap; if yes – from the words the agent is reported to have used, is it simple for the media to create a "misunderstanding"?

Answer: Of course. The media can create black from white just by removing all of the colours, which they magically do much of the time!

Option: Assuming Koeman is interested, he won't just be negotiating for himself. He will want to bring his team of Aides (is that the right spelling?), won't he? Can't see this process taking just 5 minutes. Then there is the compensation for the breaking of the contract with Southampton. Likely already agreed subject to... etc etc.

Looks like we will have to be patient, eh? So, here we go...

Woke up this morning and I took a pill
Opened ToffeeWeb and my heart stood still
Koeman's moving to Merseyside?
But now we find .. that the media's lied
Oh, my heart stood still
Oh, that rumour mill
Oh, when ya think of it
Oh, the media's sh*t
Da do ron ron, da do ron ron


Joe O'Brien
96 Posted 05/06/2016 at 01:10:34
Everyone calm down. Everton just getting the best deal. Moshiri isn't stupid with his money. He's obviously shrewd enough and not too agree to their opening demands. It'll all be sorted soon for sure
Chris Holding
97 Posted 06/06/2016 at 02:06:56
The hold up is most likely over backroom staff and such, not money. Come on, Blues, we will only succeed if we as supporters can let go of all this negative attitude and really start getting behind this new vision!!!

Onwards and upwards!
Jay Harris
98 Posted 06/06/2016 at 03:26:09
We all know it is illegal to speak to the manager of another club without their authority so this was circumvented by using the agent.

However the agent dropped a major one by claiming the deal was done and the clubs only had to agree compensation which obviously irked all parties and he has now had his wings clipped.

Everybody and his auntie knows Koeman is coming to us but we don't need to throw sand in Southampton's face aswell.

Expect the lawyers on both sides to thrash out compensation and press releases for tomorrow and Koeman to agree terms and be announced on Tuesday.

Bob Parrington
99 Posted 06/06/2016 at 03:36:24
Sorry, I should have stated "Insert Da do ron ron where applicable".

Agreed, Joe & Jay

Alan J Thompson
100 Posted 06/06/2016 at 04:15:48
An Agent was misquoted because he couldn't keep his mouth shut. With any luck he shall, in one case, become an ex-agent as this will now probably see Southampton up their compensation requirements. If you look at their player sales they are a selling club and will recognize when to raise the ante.
Andy Walker
102 Posted 06/06/2016 at 07:27:27
Spot on Jay 98. Patience, Mosh will get his man.
Paul Conway
103 Posted 06/06/2016 at 07:49:08
It's a done deal! All books are closed except for Paddy Power at 1/25 and Betfair at 1/16.

The Bookies rarely get it wrong, that's why they exist!

Paul Tran
104 Posted 06/06/2016 at 08:08:04
It's the moral high ground again. Manager moves for better job shocker. Who'd have thought it? Never happened in my lifetime. Disgraceful!

Outside Southampton and
Talksport, most people I meet around the country regard us as a better bet than Southampton, more so now with Moshiri's money and ambition.

Managers on the up will always be offered more money to move. Now that we're able to match our money with ambition, I'm all for it. Beats that 'good honest club' bullshit, that was a fig leaf covering our lack of ambition and standards.

Martin Mason
105 Posted 06/06/2016 at 08:55:22
We're paying far too much for this man. Whatever Moshiri does at Everton it has to be sustainable and eventually self financing. The alternative is that we'll become Liverpool and City and will dry up when and if the external money does.
Colin Glassar
106 Posted 06/06/2016 at 08:55:54
Wjinaldum and Forster sound like they are nailed-on certs to be the first recruits. This is so exciting I can hardly contain myself. In fact, I haven't been this excited since we signed Duncan Mckenzie and Bruce Rioch on the same day/week(?) under Billy bleedin' Bingham.
Ian Jones
107 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:04:09
Colin. Not questioning your comments about Forster signing, although I suppose I am :)

Hasn't he just signed a 5 year contract to stay at Southampton.

However, you are generally right about transfers so good new signing when he comes!

Colin Glassar
108 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:12:31
Ian, he won't come cheap. I think he was valued at £15m before he signed his new contract so we are probably looking at, at least, £20m now. As for Wjinaldum, I think Newcastle paid £12m for him so they'll want to make a profit (£15m?).
Ian Jones
109 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:20:05
Colin, Ok. Forster was supposed to have said that he signed a long term contract due to the ambition shown by Southampton and other players signing long-term contracts.

Guess his view might change now but I imagine his value might go far in excess of the 20 you mention. Southampton will probably want to play hard-ball as we would do in similar circumstances.

I remember the Rioch and McKenzie signings!

I have also just remembered my Mum putting an Arsenal badge on my Everton tracksuit when Alan Ball signed for them.

Colin Glassar
110 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:25:51
Southampton are 'expecting' at least six senior players to leave Ian; Forster, Wanyama, Long, Mane etc.....

And what about this news that once the Koeman deal is settled, Moshiri will go all out for Monchi? Is this really Everton we are talking about? I find it hard to believe.

James Marshall
111 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:26:01
There is no hold up. He's under contract and these things are complicated so take time.

Same goes for Monchi. People just get sucked in by the lust for information fuelled by the media.

We'll have a new manager before the start of the season, and everything is going to be fine. Moshiri is a smart man and he isn't going to piss his money away to satisfy our impatience.

Rob Halligan
112 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:27:57
Clubs now very close to agreeing £5M compensation. Should be finalised today. BBC rumours page saying Scott Dann could be RK's first signing
Colin Glassar
113 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:42:57
I hope not Rob. He's 29, an RS and he's an okay defender. As a cheap, backup centre-back he'd be okay but he's been quoted at 㾻m which is nuts IMO.
David Chait
114 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:43:19
Colin, nailed on eh... If Forster comes, I'd be very happy. I don't see any others I feel will take us forward as much as keeping what we have, except maybe Virgil for Funes Mori. Tadic of course we all wanted pre Saints move, but apparently him and Koeman aren't the best of mates.

Wjinaldum is a very good player who would be an improvement on a couple we have.

Would be very curious to know Koeman's thoughts on our midfield in particular, which is probably our biggest area of debate amongst fans... pro or anti McCarthy. Same with Besic... do we start with 2 DFMs or one... anyway.. we'll soon find out.

Jim Lloyd
115 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:44:09
The state that Everton Football Club have been in for the last couple of decades, at least, has meant that we have been living on the memory of being a great club, a big club; and that is all.

A sleeping giant? well more and more like an irrelevance when it comes to "Big Clubs" as they are perceived today. Liverpool hadn't won the FA Cup until 1965, and since then for at least two decades they won titles and cups galore. They became a big club with fans from all over the world, while we slid slowly but surely, out of the picture. Except for that wonderful interlude in the mid-80s, we've slipped into the backwaters of football.

Manchester City, another big club at one time, a club very much like us, suffered even worse. They dropped down two divisions and did wonderfully well not to go down even further but fight their way back into the Premier League.

When they got the massive investment of Sheik Mansour or whoever, they became the richest club in the world, or one of the richest. Anyway, they had mega billions.

I remember the sort of shocked laughter from the so-called experts and pundits, as Man City began to recruit top class players. The common theme was on the lines of "Manchester City... no-one knows where it is, let alone goes there... hee hee hee!"

I think there is still a feeling amongst the Sky and BBC pen pushers that somehow, "Man City aren't a proper big club... not like Liverpool or Arsenal or, all genuflect, Man Utd."

Well, I think we are going to be looked on like that by the London media.

More importantly, if we want to become a "Big Club" again, then it is certain that we are going to have to pay more for a manager or a player of international repute to come to us. We are going to be looked at with disdain by the media as we attempt to recapture out former glory.

So when someone says we are paying too much to hire Koeman, or any other top manager, that is what we will have to pay if we want the best.

To say we shouldn't pay for the best in case we can't pay it sometime in the future, in my eyes condemns us to mediocrity for ever.

Nothing against him, but if we only set our sights on Moyes or Big Sam, or any other decent enough manager, and carry on in the backwaters, then fair enough.

Mr Moshiri, is determined that we will become a major force in English Football. What happens in the future, will be a concern for the future.

But right now, I think of the words of Sir John Moores. "Evertonians expect success; and we will have it." or near enough to that but I can't be arsed looking it up at the moment.

So to say we shouldn't pay that kind of money quoted in the press for Koeman, to me is condemning us to mediocrity for ever. Mr Moshiri has come along and has the money to back his vision. We could of course suggest that we aren't that kind of club, we might spend above our means in 50 years time.

It would mean, "The Kings Dock" episode all over again and snoozing away in "The Old Lady". Plucky little Everton what a nice little club, with their nice friendly Chairman.

No bloody thanks, I want to see where Mr Moshiri wants to take us.

Ray Roche
116 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:44:28
Rob, I don't know why the compensation would be ٣m. If he has one year of his contract left and his contract is for (a reported) ١m a year, surely he could just buy himself out of it for ١m?

When a club sells a player they, according to the terms of their contract, have to pay the player the amount left in wages, one reason why a player won't ask for a transfer. If Lukaku is so desperate to leave you think he'd ask for a move... I wonder why he hasn't?

Damian Wilde
117 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:45:42
John (63)

"Damian, Klopp had to get to (I make it) 6 finals to lose them and with the possible exception of Werder Bremen, I don't make him favourite to win any of them."

That's okay John, he wasn't favourite, just lose them, that's okay! Although
you're wrong as he was favourite against Sevilla.

"There was a poll as to 'Who would you want as manager of your club, Klopp or Koeman?' I'm sure it would be in favour of Klopp."

No I wouldn't want Klopp. I think he could be good, but I think he can't handle losing (everything's always rosy) and eventually he'll have a football breakdown; not calm enough. Plus his arm waving & intense camera grins are annnying.

Could I ask John, have you got a photo of Klopp on your bedroom wall? You seem obsessed with the Liverpool manager. Strange.

"You seem to have something to say on just about everything at the moment, so please, why is Koeman the guy to get the better of the highly successful managers I mentioned?"

No need to try to be smart I'm not totally convinced about RK, but am not being totally negative like you and wetting myself about "the world is againt us" (said after Sevilla match, fits right in) Klopp.

Thank you to those who showed respect for the Grail Knight, a legend indeed. 2/1 to be RK's assistant.

Rob Halligan
118 Posted 06/06/2016 at 09:47:05
Me neither, Ray. This is according to SSN.
Ian Burns
119 Posted 06/06/2016 at 10:14:01
Now being reported on SSN that EFC and Soton are close to an agreement.
Colin Glassar
120 Posted 06/06/2016 at 10:16:52
Excellent post Jim L, what we should now expect is to held to ransom by a lot of clubs hence the ٣m for Koeman (when he's on half of that) and 㾻m for Dann etc.....

Oh I see SSN have a new RS pundit lined up. Ricky fucking Martin oops, Lambert.

Jim Lloyd
121 Posted 06/06/2016 at 10:30:02
Haha. good spot Colin!
Mike Green
122 Posted 06/06/2016 at 10:45:10
Superb post Jim Lloyd.

When asked why we're paying Koeman ٥m pa nothing would make me happier than shrugging "Because we can...?" in reply.

Bring it on, Mr Moshiri.

Paul Hughes
123 Posted 06/06/2016 at 10:50:29
The Times is reporting that Koeman will bring Fraser Forster with him. Yes please!
Colin Glassar
124 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:03:27
I wonder if part of the deal is that he doesn't take any Southampton players with him?
Damian Wilde
125 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:16:11
Anyone any ideas about what his assistants and coaches are like?
Tony Draper
126 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:30:51
Colin @124.

Two issues on that front:

1) Southampton's business model depends upon them selling players at a profit. (Oddly their fans do not seem this as in any way Judas like behaviour on the part of their Board).

2) Not sure how that might sit with the EU "Freedom of Labour" rugulations. Of course, I'm really not speaking from any informed stand point here and could be spouting utter catflap.

My suspicions about the seemly inflated ٣M compensation is that may be because RK wants his existing managerial team with him..... again could be even more catflap......

Paul Johnson
127 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:34:46
As this deal looks pretty close to conclusion, it's worth reflecting on the way some of our former heroes and club ambassadors behaved in the run up to Martinez getting sacked.

Sharp, Ratcliffe and Stuart where wheeled in front of the Sky cameras to tell us all to 'be careful what you wish for,' Sharp even laughed at the thought of us being linked with Mourinho and told us all to get real; the same fella ridiculed the Blue Union as 'one man and his dog' on his radio show when fans were rightly wanting Kenwright out.

These parasites should be shown the door by Moshiri as soon as they turn up in the lounges for the new season. They don't represent us and never will – give me Big Nev any day of the week, his views are all about his passion and ambition for EFC and not endearing himself to the paymasters.

Tony Draper
128 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:35:54
Damian, here's their profiles at Saintsfc webshite....

Link

One of them appears to be wearing a XXXXL team shirt......

Jim Lloyd
129 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:40:06
Too right Mike. Bloody Nora! We have only spent the first week seeing what a difference Mr Moshiri can make to this club and we get "Ooh dear, It's too much for the likes of us, we haven't sold enough Pukka bloody pies"

"Because we can" I like that Mike.

Kevin Tully
130 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:57:47
I really thought Moyes would be one of the faves for the Southampton job, but it seems the bookies don't think so. You can currently get 16/1 on Ginge being their next manager.
Dave Abrahams
131 Posted 06/06/2016 at 11:59:33
David (93) it's possible Skakespeare was a red nose, he did write "Much ado about nothing"😜.

Then again, he could have been writing about Liverpool as an Evertonian.

Christopher Timmins
132 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:15:31
Mike (122) Let us hope that we are now a "Yes we can" club going forward. The compensation numbers indicate that the new manager is bringing his backroom team with him.

Hopefully by mid August the compensation figure is seen as a drop in the ocean compared with the transfer fees we have paid.

Jackie Barry
133 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:17:39
All this makes you wonder what and who is involved behind the scenes. I still see we are after Monchi as well and will push harder for him this week. This makes me wonder whether the Koeman/Monchi dream team is being prepared for Barca years down the line.
Jon Withey
136 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:26:52
Hope we don't buy too many Southampton players – otherwise we can't expect to do any better than them!

Forster though. And Dann is a leader/winner so good back-up for Jags I guess.

Simon Connor
137 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:29:22
I don't know why some Evertonians are freaking out. These big deals just take some time.

We have great times ahead of us with the new majority shareholder. All the players who want to leave should be shown the door ASAP! Got to start again and build.

Phil Martin
138 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:35:26
@136 - We don't want a backup for Jags. We need someone to partner Funes Mori or Stones (with Jags as backup). This is the level we should be moving to.
Jackie Barry
139 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:39:32
We need a leader to be the captain, none of our current bunch cut the grade except for Stones maybe in the future if he stays. We can criticise Terry at Chelsea but he is a leader a real club captain.
Tony Draper
140 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:48:51
Jon @136.

Scott Dann is a solid defender and in that regard is fine with me, however, priced at 㾻M, I think there is a great deal of choice available.

Furthermore at 29-years-old, that's older and overpriced, to my thinking. Even if "money is no object" then spending foolishly only allows our opposition to spend the same amounts wisely and to greater lasting effect.

Scott Dann? Not for me, I'm afraid.

Colin Gee
141 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:52:54
Scott Dann is a kopite so no and no again. 㾻 million? Wouldn't want him for 㾻.
Jay Woods
142 Posted 06/06/2016 at 12:56:36
Colin Gee: Peter Reid and Dave Watson were Kopites too.
James Stewart
143 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:07:24
Lallana is an Evertonian fan so what. Dann is a solid no nonsense defender and exactly the kind of player we need. How he is not in the England set I don't know. Good signing if it happens.
Matt Muzi
144 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:07:35
If we're looking at spending that sort of money I'd go for Shawcross as long as he's over his injury, but he did spend a lot of time injured last season.

I do think we'd benefit from bringing in a solid no nonsense centre halve.

Nick Page
145 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:08:08
I hope this will be finalised today. In another dutch rag, they reported he'd fucked off back on holiday! Who to believe....

Scott Dann would be ٤-8m tops given age but Palace don't have to sell. Matters not he's a RS. Barton is a blue but 99% on here would never touch him.

Colin Glassar
146 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:08:45
Who that Jamie Lannister look-a-like at Southampton? He's also part of the England set up as well. He seems to do a lot of the shouting, and pointing, for both teams.
Kieran Kinsella
147 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:19:47
Colin,

Wouldn't worry about Dann. It seems to be based on a rumor that Soton wanted him so the media are putting 2 and 2 together.

Firstly, the Soton link may be untrue.

Secondly, different club, different needs, different budget so why would Koeman go for the exact same players he wanted at Soton.

Thirdly, if we bring in Monster Munch or the Reptillian as DOF they'll be in charge of recruitment anyway as opposed to Koeman or indeed Les Reed who allegedly is the one with his eye on Dann.

Colin Glassar
148 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:24:30
Dann is a decent defender, nothing more. Same goes for Shawcross, decent but nothing special. I'd rather keep what we've got and if we can get either of these two, as backup, on the cheap then so be it.
Kieran Kinsella
149 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:29:20
One bit of good news, Niasse will be off to the ANC for a month or too. Also, seems Forest are going to sign Vellios.
Pete Cumberlidge
150 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:30:49
And look at the number of Evertonians who played on the other side of the park. They didn't work out too badly either.
Terence Tyler
151 Posted 06/06/2016 at 13:32:57
Ray and Rob earlier. I think the confusion over the compensation figure stems from a report I read a couple of days ago in a dutch newspaper, quoting a figure of €5 mIl euros, which roughly translates to about £3.7 mil.
Paul Williams
153 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:00:29
So it sounds like a delay, possibly over backroom staff. So Koeman wanted to bring Sammy Lee and Moshiri sat him down and said... "Let me explain a little about our history here. Something that was passed down to me by Mr Kenwright about what it means to be an Evertonian..."
David Booth
154 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:00:40
Please Ronald, bring Fraser Forster with you.
Stephen Coles
155 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:05:52
Further delays as Koeman jets off for another holiday!
Sam Hoare
156 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:10:57
I still think Emery would have been cheaper and possibly better. He has failed less and though higher risk I think could have reaped higher rewards. But Koeman is a coup no doubt.

Will be very interested to see what he makes of our squad. I hope we will see some heavy trimming as I think few players have really deserved the shirt with their performances over the last 2 years. Realistically though we are unlikely to see a total revolution as such drastic change is often damaging.

Forster, Wijnaldum and Tadic would improve us considerably I think but would not come cheap. The hardest thing may be replacing Lukaku; Lacazette, Batshuayi, Embolo or maybe even a bold bid for the likes of Icardi, whoever it is will need to hit the ground running with Kone and Niasse the only other options at present.

Terry Underwood
157 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:12:39
NOOooooooooo
Alan J Thompson
158 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:13:57
Do we really need another central defender. The new manager hasn't even crossed the threshold never mind assessed the likes of Browning, Galloway, Holgate or Pennington et al. They may not all be ready but do they need to be for a season or two?
Gordon Crawford
159 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:14:21
This deal is taking the p.
Derek Thomas
160 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:19:12
If Moshiri wants Koeman and the only stumbling block is Lee, he'll be sat in the dugout come August. He can always throw a sicky on Derby Day if he likes.

Think we might have to wear this one, like it or not. 'Round' Mk. II

No Moyes, no Rafa, not the end of the world

Garry Corgan
161 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:23:16
I hate to be a downer, I really do, but I have increasing reservations about the potential Koeman appointment. Yes, I accept Everton have said nothing and so we shouldn't be so expectant but I feel like we're paying a fair amount of compensation and a hell of a salary to a guy that can't postpone a holiday to get some pictures taken and attend a press conference.

The whole thing, if what is being reported is true, smells quite mercenary to me and I don't like that. Not when there are options just as good out there: Pellegrini, DeBoer, Emery.

Jay Harris
162 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:23:42
I think Ray Roche is correct. The manager could buy himself out of the contract for the final year of his salary (3.5m?).

However it may be that his brother and backroom staff are coming with him so the figure would climb depending who we take in addition.

Erik Dols
163 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:24:11
I have absolutely no inside information but do you guys really think that if rumours about backroom staff are true, it is about Lee? If it is true, it is most probably about his brother Erwin and Southampton are just playing hardball. And they have every right to do so.

I am surprised by the level of panic on ToffeeWeb. The club is as quiet as they can be; why get worked up over some media speculation?

Brent Stephens
164 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:27:57
SSN only reporting the deal is close to completion because they want to be seen to be in the know? PATIENCE!
Ray Roche
165 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:41:44
Sammy Lee? Surely you saw the photo of him celebrating when Saints came back against the RS last season...
Mike Green
166 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:44:37
Garry 161 - I would take it all with a bit of a pinch of salt to be honest. Picture the scene....

Location - Mirror Group Newspapers – Sportdesk…

Ed – “Right chaps, we need to fill some space, what have you got…?”

Hacks look around at each other dumbly.

Ed – “Come on, come on, you must have something. What about the Everton story, what's happening with that…?”

Hack 1 – “Still no decision boss…can't get a thing…”

Ed – “FFS! You've got to be kidding me!? Don't those w*nk*rs know we've got papers to sell?! What did we put the delay down to last time?”

Hack 2 – “A.. err.. holiday boss…”

Ed – “Right, so what do we say this time…?”

Hack 3 – “Erm…. a..nother holiday boss…?”

Ed looks at them blankly, and with a weary shake of the head concedes,

“Go on then, print it – but this is the last one, understood...!?”

Daniel Lawrence
167 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:44:54
Apparently he's gone back off on holiday!
Kerry Frahm
168 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:46:13
I'm ok with waiting. It's all press speculation and we know how they deal with stuff! I reckon some clubs will make a couple of big $$ signings before the Euros but the bulk of transfers will still play out after and whoever we get as a manager will surely have had his eyes on the competition to try to spot something special for whichever club they are at.
Hmmm, I wonder if we offer 50 Million straight up can we get Koeman and his backroom staff (except Lee) plus Forster, van Dijk, Mane and Tadic? Or we can offer them Lukaku perhaps??
Interesting days indeed!
Colin Glassar
169 Posted 06/06/2016 at 14:56:49
Daniel, do YOU want to tell his wife and kids they can't go on their hols?
Helen Mallon
170 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:00:03
What is the bloody hold up for Christ sake
Chris Wilson
171 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:03:34
As George Carlin once said, Everyone "calm down, have some dip."
Paul Tran
172 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:04:45
Following the repeat of the 'ghastly unprincipled football manager moves to better club for more money' shocker story, we now have the 'second holiday' shocker story.

I can't wait for the angry posts from people who want a 'proper' manager at an empty Finch Farm 24/7, surrounded by screwed up pieces of paper as he painstakingly plans pre - season, despite the fact that all the players are on holiday/at the Euros.

I'll let you know in advance that Koeman will probably use the word 'philosshophy' frequently, as well as saying 'of coursh' at the end of sentences, for no reason other than that's what a lot of Dutch people say in their own language.

He's not even here yet and the anti-Martinezesque managerial rants have started.

He might actually know what he's doing, you know!

Kerry Frahm
173 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:07:36
Chris (171) that's exactly what I'm about to do. Salsa with some Mexicana corn chips precisely! While I calmly wait for some news... about something... soon!
Mark Melton
174 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:07:42
I wouldn't want to be on a lifeboat with some of the posters on here :-)
Mike Green
175 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:16:19
You can't take posters on a lifeboat Mark - nowhere to put the drawing pins... :-)
Damian Wilde
176 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:35:26
Thanks Tony. Decent backgrounds sll of them. Better than Bridlington Utd & Doncaster Rovers. I'll bever forget that twat Jones mouthing off at Mori, knob.

I still see people are incredibly inpatient/moaning on here. Go out for the day or a week maybe if you can't handle a few days of waiting for goodness sake.

Ray Roche
178 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:51:20
Anyone else see this? Looks official...

https://www.docdroid.net/syClcJY/premier-league-fixture-list-2016-17.pdf.html

Mike Green
179 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:53:51
Talking of Koemans £7m (?) salary, have you seen Eva Carnerio turned down a £1.2m settlement from Chelsea......?
Denis Richardson
180 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:53:54
7m may seem like a lot but remember we paid Moyes 4m/year, for 5 (long) years and that was way before the Sky big bucks.

Given every league position is worth something like 1.7m, RK just needs to get us in the top 7 and he's basically free. I also cannot imagine his basic salary will be 7m, presume there are add ons based on performance that take it to that.

If the gets us far up the league and hopefully adds a trophy in the cabinet, I'd happily have the club pay him 10m/year! You gets what you pays.

Forster as a first signing would be a massive positive as well.

Geoff Williams
181 Posted 06/06/2016 at 15:56:51
Forster is a real dodgy goalkeeper. Hennesy is a more reliable option.
Ian Burns
183 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:09:54
Geoff - 181 - I am delighted you have made that comment about Forster being dodgy. I have been puzzled by the positive potential news about Forster but I find his decision making very questionable and he is not the greatest shot stopper unless it is close to him.

Koeman, yes please but please leave Forster on the south coast.

Nicholas Ryan
184 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:13:05
Fans: Our defence couldn't keep out an incompetent burglar last season; there was no shouty Leader at the back; and not enough Scousers to show raw passion in the Derby match!

Koeman: So, you want me to sign a straight-forward, no-nonsense defender, who's a bit of a shouty Leader, and a Scouser to boot?

Fans: Yes.

Koeman: That would be Scott Dann.

Fans: You're sacked!

Paul Tran
185 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:15:11
Mike, Eva is taking a punt. The compensation for discrimination cases is unlimited, that's why she's making that the cornerstone of her case. Chelsea made her an offer to avoid the hearing. She's refused the offer to scare them into a making a bigger one, or because she thinks she'll get a bigger award. I don't think she will. The lawyers'll get richer, though!
Peter Hennessey
186 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:18:20
I can't believe the amount of time some people are spending discussing this.
Just let it happen, wait patiently and take no notice if anything unless it comes from EFC.

Press just love making us think they know what they obviously don't.

Sit in the garden and listen to some calming music.

Mike Allison
187 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:23:45
Paul, as long as we never keep possession or pass the ball backwards I don't mind. Both of those are sackable offences, as is, apparently, using a 4-2-3-1 formation.

In fact, I think Martinez breathed oxygen so there had better be none of that from the new man.

Paul Black
188 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:25:28
1/50 now on Betfair...
Patrick Murphy
190 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:33:57
Perhaps the former Chelsea Doctor wants to make a point and help protect other people from suffering the same fate as herself, she may hold the view that her principles cannot be purchased for any amount of money. Not everyone on the planet sees money as a solution, some people actually want justice and respect.
Tom Bowers
191 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:36:16
Finding another manager is not a problem but finding the right one is and will only manifest itself in the season's to come. Obviously he will have his own ideas and may want to bring his own staff which is natural.

We can all get excited about a new saviour as once we did about the likes of Gordon Lee, Mike Walker and David Moyes but some things just do not work out despite all the hype at the beginning.

Perhaps this new era will prove to be the one we have all waited for especially with Moshiri's money.
Jackie Barry
192 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:40:57
Didn't he already go on holiday? Is this turning into a joke, if he is messing around pull out and look elsewhere.
Jackie Barry
193 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:46:39
Maybe we are being used as a bargaining chip with the Southampton hierarchy?
Bob Hannigan
194 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:49:59
Exactly Jackie # 192, if I'm going to get, what is it 7 mil per year I'd get my arse up to Liverpool and sign the contract. WTF?
Paul Kossoff
195 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:50:24
Echo says Koeman off on another holiday after just getting back from an extended break. If I was Moshiri I would tell him he has to sign at a press conference this week or the deal's off.

You are talking about a multi million pound contract here, and Koeman hasn't the decency to show some respect to Everton and get his priorities right.

If his immediate concern is another bloody holiday then tell his agent to ring Koeman to say the deal's off.
Jay Harris
196 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:55:40
Calm down guys.

He broke off his holidays to come back and sort things out.

As far as he is concerned he might as well complete his holiday as the 2 clubs agree compensation and his agent peobably already has his signature on the paperwork ready for whe the clubs agree.

I am quite pleased he is on holiday contemplating his plans for the club while in a relaxed mode and coming back refreshed with batteries fully charged for the task in hand.

BTW Ray if they really are the fixtures for next season it looks like an easy start for the new man.

Gerry Quinn
197 Posted 06/06/2016 at 16:59:42
If RK took the trouble to come back from his holiday to talk to Everton, then fine - I see no problem with Everton telling him to finish his holiday off before the serious business takes over...just saying
Rob Hardy
198 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:01:35
No idea what's happening but popping off on another holiday amidst ducking and diving about previous Dutch media assertions of "done deal" sure don't feel like commitment.
Paul Tran
199 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:01:44
You're right, Patrick, most people who go to a tribunal want it officially confirmed that they're in the right. The secondary issue is then money/reinstatement. I was just confirming the legal standpoint after reading Mike's post.
Ray Roche
200 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:01:52
Jay, I don't know if they're official but they certainly look it.
Phil Walling
201 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:02:42
Jay Harris, who of us ever foresaw Everton one day buying Sammy Lee out of his contract to get him here ?
Jackie Barry
202 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:03:00
All very well but he hasn't spoken to us yet, has he?
Colin Glassar
203 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:07:14
What's all the fuss? It was reported over the weekend that he would come to discuss terms, which he did, and that he would return to his holiday and let the two clubs sort out the rest.
Charlie Burnett
204 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:18:23
I still don't believe this deal is the one. I'm just thinking we're had our cards close to our chest for a while haven't said a word. Now, all of a sudden, the papers know how much we're giving him, how much composition we're giving Southampton, blar blar blar, and now he's gone back on holiday.

Tis is paper talk or a plan. I still think it's somone who ain't been spoke about.
Jay Harris
205 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:19:06
Phil,
Sammy Lee is not a bad bloke even though he played for the RS.

I would be quite happy for him to give a scouse kiss to Lukaku to shake him up a bit..

Mind you he would need to be on someones shoulders to do it

Mike McLoughlin
206 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:27:29
Who do you suppose holds the aces? It would appear to be Southampton. The don't want to lose the manager and hold a 1 year contract with him. Koeman himself doesn't appear to be in a hurry. Other than shaking a few quid at Southampton we have no leverage !! Have we ?
Mike Green
207 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:30:59
Paul and Patrick - good points well made. I think you're right, I imagine she'll want to drag their name through the mud and don't blame her. Horrible club.
Pete Cumberlidge
208 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:31:05
If RK thinks that Sammy Lee is right man for the job then that's fine with me. I'd have Klopp now if we could, and I would have had Rafa if I thought he was the best for the job (which he definetly isn't but that's not to do with his time across the park - totally overated). It is 30 years since Sammy Lee played for that lot and he has clearly been thought of as a good coach/assistant but not manager material
Phil Walling
210 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:41:16
I've nothing against Sammy Lee, I just never envisioned him being 'our' manager'.s 'Nodding Dog' !

Saints' fans painting Koeman in a similar light to how we saw Moyes' departure.

Law of the jungle time, I guess . It's all about money although he'll be telling us how he followed Everton as a boy, no doubt !

But Wtf ?

Phil Martin
211 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:42:06
@Mike,

Southampton don't hold too many aces. They need to plan for the new season too. They can't while this hangs over them, so a swift conclusion would allow them to find a replacement for Koeman.

Raymond Fox
212 Posted 06/06/2016 at 17:52:14
This manager guesswork is getting boring.

Players next season to depart:- Lukaku, Stones, Hibbert, Pienaar, Oviedo, Osman, Gibson, McGeady.

With question marks over Barry 35, Jags 33, Kone 32, Baines 31.
Keep the rest.

Colin Glassar
213 Posted 06/06/2016 at 18:07:48
Go Eva!! I hope she ruins them.
Steve Pugh
214 Posted 06/06/2016 at 18:12:32
Mike #187, "as long as we never keep possession or pass the ball backwards I don't mind", totally agree about passing the ball backwards but we really do need to keep possession sometimes....
Damian Wilde
215 Posted 06/06/2016 at 18:31:27
Granada reports just reported from Goodison, getting 'fan opinion' of the forthcoming appointment. I think they must have caught the end of a speech & language therapy class.
Chris Hooson
216 Posted 06/06/2016 at 18:41:53
Honestly, I wish I could post the audio from my whatsapp discussion with my boy from Groningen (I grew up there in the period when Ronald and Erwin were youngsters and then 1st team regulars, from Merseyside but how I ended up there is a long and sordid story in itself), he basically ranted on about how Ronald only won something with a team that were headed for the championship anyways and that rather than return to Groningen for his last period as a player, he went off to Feyenoord. It seems that my boy Sherlock hasn't ever really forgiven this...so I get a 5 minute rant which essentially consisted of "he's a fucking fat miserable lying bastard', repeat for 5 minutes....still pissing myself laughing.

I had a season ticket for FC Groningen when I lived there and I thought he was an awesome player (Erwin wasn't shabby either), however my one odd flashback was seeing him in my parents bar on a few occasions, and trust me, it wasn't one of your delightful 'brown' cafe's either, if you catch my drift....

Paul Smith
217 Posted 06/06/2016 at 18:56:04
I live in Pompey and the local BBC news have a guy stood outside St Marys stadium delivering the local sports news.

Main strand is the amount of compensation and how imminent it is.

They're resigned to him leaving down here. Hehe !

Tony Sullivan
218 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:18:15
Gary Corgan(161)
Surely getting your holidays in now is the right way to do things. Before the Euros start and the transfer window opens.
It also shows that RK is his own man and he keeps his, no doubt pre booked holiday arrangements which would have been planned when he was Soton manager.
Just because he is on holiday doesn't mean he is incommunicado.
Seems a sound decision to me
Paul Kossoff
219 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:18:19
So who will be at the press conference? Uncle Bill holding a picture of Koeman? Maybe a video feed from the Caribbean with our new manager in his shorts lying on the beach with an ice cream cone and a Pimms and lime? Possibly Ronald and Sammy Lee sitting round the camp fire singing songs and toasting marshmallows?

Tell the ungrateful over priced Dutchman to get off his arse and get on a plane to Liverpool to sign the contract at Goodison on Thursday. If he won't then ring De Boer to offer him the job.

Yes I am angry that, according to ToffeeWeb, he has gone off on holiday 'again!'

PS, he is not my choice if you hadn't guessed.

Sid Logan
220 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:20:38
If this comes off - as is looking highly likely - Evertonians should be absolutely delighted that they've they have in Moshiri someone who's determined that under his influence the club will experience success.

These days I don't have much in the way of compliments to to give to Kenwright but his greatest (and possibly his only) achievement was bring Moshiri onboard.

Obviously we'll all be happy when it's finalised officially. No doubt we can expect more good news in the way of a Director of Football appointment and signings.

This is the most optimistic I've felt in years and instead of dreading the start of the season I now can't wait.

We can now look forward to the next series of TW debates on who should be sold and who should be bought. Personally I can't wait - let the good times roll - and I refuse to look look for pitfalls where I don't see any!

Phil Walling
221 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:33:40
Anyway, what do we expect of this guy if he is ever appointed ?

Perhaps a return to Moyes' rest of the best days and perpetual seventhish ? Or, perhaps, a repeat of Roberto's first season and a fifth place finish ? Or even, maybe, a 'Leicester' season sculptured by the football gods ?

Personally, I think he will do well to be another Moyes, particularly because the Sky Six will still have more money to throw about and all have proven managers.

Tony Dove
222 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:35:44
Call me old fashioned but I would pay Southampton another million
for them to keep Sammy Lee. Don't want any ex RS anywhere near the place.
Damian Wilde
223 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:38:29
We're not getting Lee are we? Agree, no RS.
Barry Lambert
224 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:39:34
I put my house on the market last Friday ,if it has not sold by Wednesday I,m going to take it off the market. Do me a favour .
These people know what they,re doing .Deals involving this sort of money don,t happen over night .
Joe McMahon
225 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:41:56
Phil (210). I don't mind Sammy Lee, gotta be better than Jones and Round! He has also played and won things at the highest level. If he does join us, then we have plenty of European Cup Winners on our coaching staff (providing Koeman is appointed that is).
Andy Crooks
226 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:51:00
I hope it's over soon and we get him. I would take him ahead if Klopp anytime,in fact I would rather have Moyes than Klopp. An overrated one trick pony who thinks that leaping like a fucking loon is inspirational.He is,in my view, devoid of guile and has never heard of a plan B.
Tony Draper
228 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:55:48
"Personally, I think he will do well to be another Moyes".

Personally, I think he would do well to avoid becoming another Moyes !

Terence Tyler
229 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:57:10
The updated report above indicates Lee will be joining Raffa at Newcastle, thank god.
Brian Harrison
230 Posted 06/06/2016 at 19:59:18
All this nonsense about not wanting Sammy Lee, I don't hear to many reds moaning about Owen,Fowler,McMananman and Carragher playing for them and they were all blues fans.
The fact that we have got Koeman is the most important part. Who he appoints as his coaches is up to him.
Some are complaining that he has gone on holiday, the only delay has been over the level of compensation even if he were here he had no influence over that decision. He cant actually work with the players till they are back from their summer break, and I am sure he has already spoken to Moshiri over likely transfer targets.
John Hughes
231 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:12:13
Brian - good job we didn't take that attitude over the likes of Morrisey, Sheedy, Watson and Beardsley over the years too! That said, when you read some of the absolute shite written on here over the last couple of days regarding Koeman it does make me wonder why Mr Moshiri didn't just seek out his candidates from the pages of ToffeeWeb. There are so many experts on here at managing a Premiership team it's a wonder that the likes of Mourinho, Guardiola and Conte get a look in!

Tony Draper
232 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:15:02
Brian @230.
Entirely agree.
Could happily accomodate the globular Mr. Lee.

You could include Rush, too accorcing to some sources.

Don't think many of our red cuzzies would turn up for a bloody "Tug-O'-War" over the human "Tse-Tse Fly", Michael "They call me Mr Mogadon" Owen !

TBH, neither sets of mancs would save any spare breath for a set of waterwings for the present Professor of The Blatantly Fucking Obvious at Tedium University, even if the drivellous little shit was drowning in Salford Quays, with next weeks Euromillions numbers tattoo'd on his face.

Jim Lloyd
233 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:21:17
Too right Brian! We got Kevin Sheedy off the Reds, Johnny Morrisey (It was said Shankly went potty when he heard JM had been sold) Garry Ablett, Alan Harper and if we could have managed, I'd have loved to have seen Rushie play for us as well.
Jay Harris
234 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:21:41
For the record those pouring scorn on Sammy Lee should take a look at his record.
He has been sought out by those who played and managed with him and was involved in the England setup for quite a while.

However it doesnt look likely he will come anyway so you can put your keyboards away for a while.

Now as regards Monchi what criticism can we find for him?

Graham Coldron
235 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:23:00
Just heard on talk sport that his appointment could be announced sometime tonight.
Jim Lloyd
236 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:27:14
Wel Monchi's a bit of a funny name Jay, so we can't go for him.
Mike Green
239 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:42:49
And it sounds a bit too much like Moshiri. Confusion....
Damian Wilde
240 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:52:20
Brian, how is supporting the other club the same as having been a major plarer for them?? Completely different.

Also the subsequent 'Sheedy' exsmples are just as poor. He was a reserve player.

We're talking about a massive red possibly being on the Everton coaching set up. Anyway, not like we're desperate for him is it?

Tony Draper
241 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:55:14
Dave Hickson.
Issue closed.
Sid Logan
242 Posted 06/06/2016 at 20:59:56
Phil #221

Phil, he's obviously not your preferred choice. Check his management stats and take note of the fact that Southampton ditched his best players each season.

Your pessimism in the light of what's looking like a pretty good things happening to us after years of fuck all is, to be honest, hard to understand.

Still, each to his own!

Mike Green
243 Posted 06/06/2016 at 21:12:01
I'm not skipping down the street about Koeman but cant think of any realistic candidates I'd put my neck on the line to put ahead of him.

First things first, he will be solid if nothing else; I would've thought the horror prospect of relegation is banished if he comes on board.

Secondly, the new owner clearly likes him and I imagine is going to seriously back him. It would be interesting to see what Koemans vision is with investment in players rather than being stripped of them.

He has taken Southampton to 7th and 6th - their best finishes since the early '80's. This season they finished 3 points off the Top 4.

He's got real form as a manager and was a world class player - we will do well to sign anyone not worthy of cleaning his boots, which automatically gives him a head start managing the team.

So, I'm happy. I think we're guaranteed the level of "success" Moyes achieved with us and with a following wind will do much, much better. Everyones says how driven and ambitious Koeman is, my feeling is between him and Moshiri they're going to show us just how much.

Damian Wilde
244 Posted 06/06/2016 at 21:12:50
Phil, don't be so miserable!
Jim Lloyd
245 Posted 06/06/2016 at 21:16:51
Massive red or small red Damian, what do you have a problem with?
If we get Koeman and he thinks Sammy Lee is a good man to have on his team, that will do for me.

As for Sheedy, Harper and Johnny Morrisey. They were all first team regulars for years at Everton, so would rather have nopt seen them come to EFC then?

Damian Wilde
246 Posted 06/06/2016 at 21:35:32
Jim, if he said Stevie G was to be on his team, you'd accept this, right (given what you said you would)?

I covered the Sheedy et al point - reserves.

Red or no red, could you explain why you want Lee? Not exactly one of the world's top coaches, eh.

Jim Lloyd
247 Posted 06/06/2016 at 21:53:21
It's not who I want that matters Damien and you didn't exactly cover the point re Sheedy, you made a point of saying he was a reserve, which I don't see as relevant.

I'd find it difficult to accept Gerrard as he is a first class c*nt, red or not.

do I get marks out of ten for explaining Damien? If so, then I will

Colin Glassar
248 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:04:45
Gutted we're not getting the scouse pygmy. I'd have thought he'd jump at the chance to come home and work with us rather than face exile in the cold wastelands of Geordiedom.
Damian Wilde
250 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:16:06
Spell my name right, Jim and you may get some marks, that'd be a start (hint my name is on the posts).

Surprised you're okay with Gerrard given "Massive red or small red Damian, what do you have a problem with?"

John Malone
251 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:20:36
Can't believe how naive people are to think he's going to come in nake a couple of signings and we are going to instantly swap places with Southampton if not better!!

We have an ageing squad and our best young talent want to leave!

I think it will take three transfer windows before we see a settled dressing room and team, I'm expecting big improvements but not overnight especially if Lukaku leaves his goals will be very hard to replace lazy or not!

Jim Lloyd
253 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:36:59
Damion, I think if you re read it, I said that Gerard is a c*nt and happens to be a red, so I would not be OK with Gerrard. That isn't because he's a red though, it's purely because of his history with us. The fact that a player has been a red doesn't disbar him from crossing the portals as an employee of the Blues.

As I said, I'd have liked to see Ian Rush and Alan Hansen swop red for blue, when they were in their prime. But I wouldn't want to see Gerard come over. So, Massive red or small red, wouldn't bother me but a c*nt is a c*nt no matter what shirt he wore.

Kieran Kinsella
254 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:37:27
Jim Lloyd

Good point. More recently though What about Gary Ablett? Not a showstopper but a dependable guy who helped us win the cup.

Paul Black
255 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:37:57
John, 251...

Today's voice of reason you are. Sweet and thanks for that John.

However, dude I understand what you're saying from the goal tally PoV but Lukaku's behaviour has been what? Out of order? Agreeing to meet Moshiri 'out of courtesy' was it?

I wouldn't be massively upset to see the back of and regarding the kids, from what I saw, maybe our best young talent have only just started)

Phil Walling
256 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:42:57
What's negative about forecasting 'seventhish'. Have you not seen where we've finished the last two seasons ?

Signing a new manager for £7M a year - particularly one who's so keen he goes on his second bloody holiday - is the easy bit. Finishing seventh will be a masterstroke !

Jim Lloyd
257 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:44:30
Spot on Kieran,he was in my mental list but didn't make it to the page! A fine lad and a decent player for us alright, right up to the cup final in 95. If my memory hasn't totally gone, I seem to remember him being awarded a coaching role with us, before he went back over the park. So sad to see him lose his life when a young man.
Kevin Day
258 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:45:43
My word.... Some of the petty arguing on here could be plucked out of a Monty Pythons scene....
Colin Maughn
259 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:46:12
Everton will unveil Ronald Koeman as their new boss in the next 24 hours — but only after some tough negotiating over a “no poaching” clause. That was just posted in one of the reports.
Jim Lloyd
260 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:55:38
Haha. Keeps us occupied Kevin, while we're waiting for the announcement.
Oliver Molloy
261 Posted 06/06/2016 at 22:58:02
Now it's being reported Southampton want a guarantee that Koeman / Everton will not try to buy any of their players - if true then this is totally unbelievable.

Koeman could have quit if he wanted , bought himself out of his contract..

Colin Glassar
263 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:01:55
Phil, apparently he's out in your part of the world (eastern med). If you see him can you ask him what the hell does he think he's doing?
Damian Wilde
264 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:06:24
Jim Lloyd, loves fat Liverpool players.
Don Alexander
265 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:12:46
If we're moving into comedy, is it just me or does the mug-shot of RK on the TW site of today not closely resemble "Genial" Harry Grout off "Porridge"?

For the sake of injecting backbone and success into the current squad I hope the resemblance goes further........and into action at Finch Farm.

Raymond Fox
266 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:18:26
Phil's being realistic (apologies for using the r word).
We will have to go plenty to match Utd, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and you know who on the spending front, that's without taking into account the players already at these clubs.
Lukaku and Stones will presumably have to be replaced, so lets hope what we sell them for will all be used on straight replacements.

Without doubt though our new manager will have a better chance of achieving some kind of success than Roberto had pre Moshiri.
That is if Moshiri carries through his promise to spend big.

How big is big remains to be seen.

Jim Lloyd
267 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:22:24
hahaha! Dearie me. Thank heavens for wit and repartee. Good lad Damian.
Though we did sing that, lovingly, to a fat, one time red supporter.
"He's fat, he's round, he's worth a million pounds, Perter Reid, Peter Reid!"
Dan Davies
268 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:30:35
Phil Walling why are you so obsessed with Moyes? Is he your secret love child?!

Or are you David in disguise?!

Andy Crooks
269 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:37:16
Phil, I know , we all knew, your views on Martinez from day one. You were absolutely right. What do you think now?
Jim Lloyd
270 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:42:35
I agree with you, Ray. It's almost equivalent to running a mile when the front runners are half a mile ahead and we're just getting past the starting line. We will have to spend to begin to catch up and spend well. With the hope that the team gel, sooner rather than later.

We have some really good young players and that might be in our favour but they'll need experience and stamina, so it's difficult, in my view, for the young ones to last a season through.

It looks like Lukaku is set on going but who knows, after Koeman has a word, he might change his mind. I think we'll have more of a chance of keeping John Stones, hope so anyway.

So I don't see us being challengers for the top four...yet. But with a fair bit of money and a good manager, then we can make progress to becoming regular top four challengers. I just don't expect it in one season though.

Don Alexander
271 Posted 06/06/2016 at 23:53:12
In my lifetime Johnny Morrissey, Kevin Sheedy, David Johnson, Steve McMahon, Peter Beardsley, Abel Xavier, Nick Barmby, and Gary Ablett all played for both clubs. I got over it, and when (and "if" in one or "dois" cases) any of them did the business for us on the pitch I was delighted. Not more delighted because they'd come from Liverpool, just delighted because to me Everton is all that matters.

If we end up with Sammy Lee let's see what's delivered on the pitch by the team before slagging him (or anyone else) off.

Gordon Crawford
272 Posted 07/06/2016 at 00:13:04
Just heard that Southampton want guarantees that Koeman will not go after any of their players. This really is pathetic. This whole deal stinks to high heavens.
Mike Corcoran
273 Posted 07/06/2016 at 00:17:08
All this Gary Ablett talk has me reminiscing about The State With a bit of Peter Reid for the early hours chillout
Mike Corcoran
274 Posted 07/06/2016 at 00:18:10
Them Sammy Lees were jarg though
John Daley
275 Posted 07/06/2016 at 00:57:30
"Just heard that Southampton want guarantees that Koeman will not go after any of their players. This really is pathetic. This whole deal stinks to high heavens."

The only thing that stinks are the tongues of the people lapping up every bit of horse shit being shovelled by the press. How can you claim a deal smells rotten when you've been privy to precisely none of the negotiations, never mind the finer points of any prospective agreement.

'I'm absolutely fuming. Just found out he wants us to pay for the porn channel in his hotel room, for his second holiday and any future sojourns he may fancy. Cheeky git is taking the piss. Call it off Everton!!!!! He's a loser and he looks like Clyde from Any Which Way You Can with acute hair loss anyway.'

As for Southampton wanting assurances he won't return to poach any of their players? Not exactly unheard of in such a situation, is it? Even if true, is it really such a big deal? A lot of people would've killed for Wigan to make similar demands of Everton before giving them permission to prise Martinez away and I can't think of many Southampton players I'd be desperate to bring to Goodison even if given first dibs.

Mike Corcoran
276 Posted 07/06/2016 at 01:14:38
I'd have Mick Channon John. And a few Mick Mills
Sean McCarthy
277 Posted 07/06/2016 at 02:26:00
Colin #50.....you still think it's going to be pellegrini?????

Honestly some of the nonsense that gets posted on here by the various ITKs!!! Face facts lads ( and ladies) we all know the sum total of jack shit when it comes to how negotiations are progressing, who's talking to who, how much will it cost, etc etc. Some seem to think the club should be giving hourly updates!!! This isn't some pointless Royal baby's birth where Nicholas witchell tells us how far dilated the mother is!!!
It's a multi million pound deal that isn't ever going to be sorted with a 5 minute phone call. It's looking increasingly likely to be announced in the next few days and I for one am comfortable with that. I'm pretty sure that billionaire mr moshiri knows how to negotiate and probably doesn't need the "wise words" from assorted ToffeeWebbers to help him!!!

And as for Ian #3 are you seriously asking that question???? Is he (Koeman) better that what we just had???? (Shakes head in disbelief!!)

Phil Walling
278 Posted 07/06/2016 at 03:50:41
Andy@ 269, I think Koeman is cut from different cloth to Martinez but will do well to restore us to the top third of the table. All clubs will have money to burn not just Everton.

I want him to do well but don't expect miracles.

Keith Harrison
279 Posted 07/06/2016 at 08:07:30
Didn't Don Hutchison play for both sides of Stanley Park also? And Dave Watson?

Just heard that RK has gone all-inclusive and pigging out on full English and Guinness all day. If he comes back over-weight, he'll never be able to move at Finch Farm, and our players won't be fit this season.

Good job Mr Moshiri inserted a fatness clause into his contract, as RK has to fit the club suit that Roberto left, or we will be forced to look for a thinner manager. I have it on very good authority from a bloke who's cousin once accidentally rang The Winslow that that is why Rafa wasn't even considered.

Hands up all those who would have played Callum Connolly and Tom Davies in the Derby/Cup semi final, instead of players patently unsuited as out of position. (and wouldn't have signed Niasse)

Congratulations, you would ensure a better finish than we had this season. Now let's see what a proper manager like RK - if he signs - can do.

Colin Glassar
280 Posted 07/06/2016 at 08:25:33
Sean 277, never underestimate the vast amount of knowledge and wisdom of ToffeeWebbers. We know the truth is out there.

P.S. Until Manuel Pellegrini is declared clinically dead I still think he's got a shot at being our next manager.

P.S.S. I see Burnley are ready to spend £60m on new players. Now our £100m doesn't look like so much, does it Phil?

Chris Gould
281 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:07:53
I understand the obvious problems some may have with Sammy Lee, but did you see the way he celebrated the Saints winner against his old club last season. He jumped into the air while staring straight at Klopp. Seems to me he enjoyed and relished the opportunity to get one over his old employers.
Not got a problem with him if he shows us that same passion.
David Hallwood
282 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:12:47
John Daly(#275) when you consider the dross Bobby brought with him from. Wigan maybe it's no bad thing!

Phil Walling(#278) next season's going to be interesting because most teams can compete we may (and only may) see the end of the Sky4/5 monopoly.

I don't think it's a gimme that both Mancs or Chelsea will do well; Guadiola's never managed in a truely competitive league and the special one may implode plus Chelsea is a rebuild job.

Koeman starts off with a nucleus of great players and some special youngsters waiting to step up interesting times

Brian Harrison
283 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:25:12
I think Koeman will want to try and persuade Stones to stay and under Koemans tutelage will become a better defender. Yes most Premiership clubs will have money to spend but having the right manager to spend the money is vital. Had RM still been in charge you could have doubled the money Koeman will get to spend and he still wouldnt be any good.

I cant understand why some are being negative about Koeman not like we have signed a manager who has just got his last team relegated.

Tony Abrahams
284 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:31:15
Mike 273, wasn't Gary's dad a Bizzy, and getting very concerned about his son, because his name started cropping up everywhere?
Brian Williams
285 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:31:44
Looking at the situation statistically all Koeman has to do (and this is theoretical going on this season just finsihed points for all teams) is increase the points total his team achieved by nine. That's three more wins than he had.....and he'd have finished second.
Now I know all the factors involved and I know there's people on here who'll want to show how clever they are and prove why my argument is faulted and how dumb my point is blah blah blah, but Koeman will have more money to spend, a better squad (remember we took four points of Soton) so the chance is there.
Rick Tarleton
286 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:32:42
Do people really think that Sammy Lee, if he comes is going to jeopardise his job and his salary because he once played for Liverpool and that he has waited the best part of forty years to get to Goodison and work as a Liverpool agent?

The thinking is infantile.

By the way, add Tony McNamara, Joe Payne , Dave Hickson, and Alan Harper and I am sure there are others who have crossed the park. Footballers play for the money, managers and coaches do it for their income, they aren't like us saps who support one team whatever happens. Money buys their allegiance.

Koeman is taking his time, he's not exactly jumping to get started, that may be more interesting. Is he still hankering after a sign from Arsenal?

Brian Williams
287 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:34:05
Kevin Sheedy crossed the park and turned into one of our best players!
Damian Wilde
288 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:45:46
No, we just don't want Samme Lee as he's a fat prick. People are talking about him like he's one of the world's leading coaches.

Agree Sean. All the 'on good authority' and 'ITK' is nonsense. According to these clever dicks Dein & Usmanov are installed at Everton.

Colin, re: money we have to spend, first of all you don't how much Everton or Burnley will spend. Secondly, why are you bothered about Burnley? Just be pleased it seems like we have money to spend!!

People love a moan on here.

Hugh Jenkins
289 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:54:51
Gorden (272) - Ron (Koeman) can sign that deal - no problem.

If, as we suspect, we also engage a DoF, he (the Dof) will not be bound by that agreement - nor will the club, nor will the Southampton players.

The law is a strange animal and you need to know the intricacies of it, before you become involved.

If any "target" of RF that is currently at Southampton, really wants to come to us, it will only take a "transfer request", to loosen all the legal embargoes.

Then, (as in the John Stones case last summer), it becomes a case of who has the most "Tiene los cojones grandes y bien plantados", as per President "GWB".

In that fight, nowadays, I think we will win.

Koeman can sign any agreement - so can Everton - it will all mean nothing, depending on how the approaches, etc. are made,

That, regrettably, is why the vilified "agents" exist , survive and prosper.

Eivind Nyhus
290 Posted 07/06/2016 at 09:55:55
Anyone heard anything about a press conferance? Or do we have to wait for Koeman to return from vacation? Good times ahead, but the wait is killing me. The first thing I do every day is checking if we've appointed a new manager!
Scott Hamilton
291 Posted 07/06/2016 at 10:04:27
My only reservation is that from some angles he looks like Dougal from Father Ted!
John Louis Jones
293 Posted 07/06/2016 at 10:28:09
SSN reporting that it will be announced Today.

Link: http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10306258/koeman-to-join-Everton

Phil Walling
295 Posted 07/06/2016 at 10:33:47
With the announcement being delayed whilst he completes his holidays, can we expect Koeman to prove 'another Clough' who used to purposely piss off his directors by taking unscheduled family breaks at regular intervals ?

If he wins the same honours, he'll do for me !

Erik Dols
296 Posted 07/06/2016 at 10:36:22
So it will be announced during his holiday? I do not trust a man that does not keep his obligations to his family. If he isn't even able to enjoy a deserved holiday with the kids and is distracted that easily, this surely means he does not have what it takes to lead the club. What a mercenary! I personally cannot wait to hear the opinion of Lukaku's dad on this matter. Koeman is way too eager to sign for us. It's all Hibbert's fault anyway.

No, seriously, I'll just wait until the club comes with any news.

Clive Lewis
297 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:06:01
Not sure about all of this and the idea of having Shane Long up front instead of Lukaku warning signs are definately evident. Also paying a lot if compo to someone not really won anything, is he worthy of the hype?.
James Lauwervine
298 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:08:50
I used to quite like John Motson but his questioning of whether we're bigger than Soton is idiotic (BBC website). His rationale is they finished top six and we didn't. So size of club is purely determined by your last league finish then? What a tit.
Phil Walling
299 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:09:37
Eric, I imagine we can assume that once his holiday is over his first priority will be to earn some bread by commenting on the Euros. Otherwise, he's going to have to make do on the £7M Soft Mosh is paying him !

It's a bloody hard life, this football lark !

Ian Jones
300 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:12:23
James. I don't think John Motson has been much of an Everton fan in the past. Some of his commentaries in the past have not been too complimentary towards us

So not surprised!

Guy Hastings
301 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:17:57
Ian 30 - Always wondered how John Motson was no 1 BBC commentator for so long - not fit to polish Barry Davies' head, let alone his shoes.
Oscar Huglin
302 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:30:58
I think what Motson was getting at is that, although we have a history which makes us a 'bigger club' than Southampton, in the current climate we are not a bigger club. He's saying that, in terms of a straight swap between the clubs, Southampton have finished well ahead of us two seasons running, which makes Koeman's decision a puzzler for neutrals.
Difficult to argue with.
Dave Roberts
303 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:43:06
So, according to John Motson then, Leicester City are the BIGGEST club in the country? As well as they have done this season that is simply not the case is it? Manchester United were relegated in my lifetime did that mean the whole of the First Division for that season were bigger than them?

It's potential that counts, the fanbase and yes, history. Is it likely that Southampton will ever win the league as they sell players every season to survive? No it's highly unlikely. Is it possible that Everton can win the league in the not too distant future given our improved circumstances? Yes it is.

Everton are a far bigger club than Southampton.

Shane Corcoran
304 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:47:32
Dave, doesn't it just take someone to buy and then plough ridiculous money into a club to change their profile to a big club? City and Chelsea being the obvious examples.
Rob Halligan
305 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:49:09
Oscar, are you for real? Your last line, "difficult to argue with" is a real corker.

Just because Southampton finish above us in the last two seasons makes them a bigger club than us? So using your logic, Southampton are also bigger than Chelsea and the RS, after all, they finished above both of them last season. Leicester are bigger than ANYBODY, just because they won the league.

Where have Southampton been for all but 39 years, of their professional status......that's right, languishing in the lower divisions of English football.

Show me their honours list as I can't find it, although I know what it is. Should fit on the back of a postage stamp... FA Cup 1976. Probably not worth making a list for.

So don't give me this "in the current climate" garbage, because it don't wash with me. Southampton are not and never will be a bigger club than Everton FC.

Brian Denton
306 Posted 07/06/2016 at 11:56:37
Motty is well into his dotage now. He's only retained by the BBC as a sentimental reminder of the days when football was a working class game, and the free to air BBC dominated its coverage.

Since the BBC has colluded in the destruction (forever) of that happy state, they might as well apply the coup de grace to him.

Dave Roberts
307 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:00:07
Shane,
Yeah that may be the case as far as the shallow media are concerned. I remember when Newcastle were relegated in 2009 listening to the pundits on MOTD saying they had to get back in the Premiership quickly as the Premiership 'needed them'! Because they were a BIG club.

No, what they really meant was that the club is such a fucking car-crash that it always gave the media something to bump their gums about. What is a BIG club as far as the media is concerned has nothing to do with what constitutes a BIG club in the eyes any self respecting footy fan with an IQ higher than that of a dead frog.

Tamhas Woods
308 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:04:38
If the luvvies think Southampton are a bigger club than us, why are we about to nab their manager?

When they've won nine league titles, then they get step to us! :)

Tony Burke
309 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:08:43
I met John Motson once in a hotel. Naturally, I declared my allegiance to the Blues and he remarked, "Ah yes, Everton. Great club. Fantastic supporters." He was particularly enthusiastic about the supporters and expressed his admiration for the consistently excellent away following. So...no gobshite, then.
Paul Tran
311 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:14:14
How do we know Koeman is taking his time?

He can't do much until EFC have sorted out the compo with Southampton. He can't talk to us till then.

I like he fact that he's saying nothing until his unveiling. Much more appealing than if his brother was in the press every day saying he'd love the job. I don't want someone visibly desperate for the job, I want someone who knows he's good enough and is ready for the job when he's allowed to start.

Terry Underwood
312 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:15:58
I live about 40 miles from Southampton. The local TV news is reporting compensation of £5M with a salary of £6M.
To quote a Saints fan "I could understand him leaving for Arsenal or Man U, but Everton? they are no bigger a club than us"
Brian Denton
314 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:18:45
Terry, I hope you put that Saints fan right.

Or were you quoting him in agreement?

David Chait
315 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:19:06
Motsons statement is embarrassingly simplistic. Its as good as saying Leicester are a bigger club than Man Utd because they ended higher in the league.

size of a club for me comes down to 2 things: 1. Fan base 2. History of success 3. Revenues

First and foremost if you have fans around the world that gazumps short term performance. Everton are (unaudited) amongst the top 6 supported clubs in the world from EPL sides. I'm not even sure Man City have as many as us internationally. They just don't have the history... yet.

Oscar Huglin
316 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:29:39
Rob, wow. I said that Motson was talking about the here and now of Koeman's decision, and you still proceeded to tell me about the history of the clubs ("Show me their honours list as I can't find it").

You cannot deny that Southampton are currently a better outfit than us. That is what Motson was saying. To a neutral, this looks like a strange decision by RK.

I'm not in any way doubting that we're the bigger football club.

There's no need to get riled up, this is just a conversation about an interview. We're all blue here.

Patrick Murphy
317 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:31:43
It shouldn't even be a debate should it? Did anyone believe that Aberdeen or Dundee United were larger clubs than Rangers and Celtic, when the East Coast sides were in their pomp - of course not, even with Glasgow Rangers's recent issues, nobody for a moment thought that all of the clubs in the Scottish Premier League and First Division should be thought of as all being larger than Glasgow Rangers.

I have said it elsewhere, you know Everton FC might be going places when the media, particularly the BBC start to make silly statements or peddle a particular line which will show OUR club in a bad light. They behave towards Everton FC in a completely different way to the way they deal with our neighbours, don't ask me for a reason, I don't know, but it has been going on for almost half a century.

I just hope that the board, the management team and the players of Everton FC make us proud of our club by playing attractive football and winning football matches, as long as that happens the media can play as many mind games as they like. We didn't take any notice of the media's 'pats on the heads' when they were being condescending, we don't need their praise if we are doing well.

Funny though that the man who narrated Everton's history video/DVD is the person who now seems to have forgotten about it so easily.

Frank Thomas
318 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:35:18
We are signing the wrong Dutchman. If Koeman really wanted to be at Everton then he could cancel his contract now for £3M to be reimbursed by us as a signing on fee that would save us a reputed £2M.
Then he could chase any player including Southampton players because he would then not need to sign a waiver forbidding him to purchase Southampton players.

Still under the impression that Koeman will sign for us for the money and to rub salt in FDB's nose. Then FDB will be signed by Southampton and we will have paid his salary for the next 2 years.

Interesting what a ToffeeWebber posted about Southampton fans thinking that Koeman is similar to Moyes.

Patrick Murphy
319 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:45:21
Frank (318) I'm not so sure that avenue is an option for the manager, having no access to the finer points of his contract, I can't know for sure what clauses are included or not. It would seem that the sticking points that are holding up the unveiling of the new boss, is more to do with Everton being unable to sign Saint's players rather than agreeing financial compensation for Southampton losing their boss.

Anyway, SSN are reporting that it may well drag on until tomorrow.

How many years will David Moyes' name be mentioned on these pages whenever a current or prospective manager is spoken about - 1, 5, 10 forever.....?

John Louis Jones
320 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:48:28
I wasn't not sure about Koeman at first and after lots of banter with the Southampton fans over the last couple of days , It has changed my mind. Potch finished 8th left the board sold £150 Million of players and replaced them for half that figure and Koeman still out performed Potch.
Craig Walker
322 Posted 07/06/2016 at 12:59:16
The media are approaching this appointment from the wrong angle. The question is not "why would Koeman choose Everton over Southampton?" but the narrative should instead be along the lines of "given the fact that Moshiri can tempt Koeman from Southampton and other future big jobs implies that he has some huge ambitions to get Everton FC back where they belong. These will include a massive transfer kitty and ambitious plans for a new stadium". It's bred into the media though to be positive about the RS and to bash us at every opportunity.
Dan Davies
323 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:14:34
A 'mirror' article I read earlier by a 'Derek McGovern' writing about Koeman coming to us, in the same paragraph, described the RS as giants and Everton as Mersey MINNOWS! Cheeky bastard!
Scott Hamilton
324 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:27:02
Craig and Dan

I watched a TV programme recently about the history of Match of the Day. From memory I'm sure they said that one of the its co-creators was a huge RS fan. Indeed, the first ever MotD was the RS v Arsenal from Anfield.

Now it all makes sense!

John Louis Jones
326 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:33:14
I have pulled a couple of Media types on this and they don't have a answer. they can call us what they like. If Mr Moshri and team get it right it is just going to be fun reminding them on social networks what they said about us.

Terry Underwood
327 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:35:44
Don't really get all this "big club, small club" stuff. What is the criteria? silverware? tradition? wealth? don't know, don't care
Brian Denton
328 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:39:45
Terry, a lot of people do care however.
Paul Kennedy
329 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:40:01
So we continue to seek the right man to lead us, and the board obviously feel Koeman is that man. Meanwhile, the club we are reputed to be paying ٣ million in compensation. Why not make Frank de Boer top of their list? A successful Manager who has come out and stated publicly he would love to manage us. Koeman himself has not come out publicly and said he would love to manage us.

I cannot but wonder if in the long run, whether we are really getting the best of the options. As has been posted on previous occasions, Koeman has had mixed success. He seems to have had his best times at smaller clubs working under tight budgets. When he has led a club of note, he appears to fail!

Obviously if he joins us, I will support him 100% and wish him well... But I cannot but make the comparison with our star striker who never really wanted to be at Everton and felt he is bigger than the club. Is Koeman just coming for the money and indeed is he just waiting for a bigger club to come in for him?

With 100 million too, this could be a very pivotal moment in our club's history. We need to get it right.

Eric Myles
330 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:53:45
Patrick #319, an agreement doesn't necessarily stop us bidding for their players.

If they put someone up for sale say, or another team makes an offer they accept, then it would open the door for us to make our interest known.

In any case we could enquire if Saints want to sell, they can just say no.

Karl Meighan
331 Posted 07/06/2016 at 13:58:37
Even the last fifteen years Everton have been more successful than Southampton, don't remember them finishing fourth infact they probably spent most of it in lower leagues. Rob@305 spot on.
Dennis Ng
332 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:00:49
Paul 329, similar thoughts here but was rooting for Emery. At this point, it's moot and just waiting for Koeman, or anyone for that matter, to be appointed.

This deal with Southampton has been dragged out a bit too long for my liking. How can they enforce us to not go after their players? If they want to play for Koeman, having that gentleman's agreement would just make things worse. Besides, it's not like they are the only club with players we need. Plus we have a good crop to begin with and if Koeman doesn't see that, I will be very cautious of how he is going to rebuild our team.

Phil Walling
333 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:30:26
Of course Everton is one of the game's traditional BIG clubs. Just look at their games won and points haul at the top level over nearly 140 years to bear that out. Attendances and, until comparatively recently, turnover figures have been impressive and we have had our share of star players.

On the other hand, success has not been a recent visitor and few of our dozen or so post - war managers have become wold renowned. And we've been a bit dilatory in hooking a magnate with money to burn.

But not much doubt we are bigger than Southampton or, at least, our new benefactor has bigger pockets that his equivalent on the South Coast. And that's why we've nicked their manager, believe me.

But does it really matter ?

Dan Davies
334 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:44:28
It's not even a question who the bigger club is and for people and professionals in the business to even ask is very insulting ie. Motson he's old and wise enough to know better.

Southampton qualifying for Europa league twice makes people actually consider them a bigger club? These people need a quick slap across the face to wake them up!

Koeman coming to us when they have European football in the bag with the season we've just had tells you who the 'big' club is in itself.

Anyone else think the reason it's all dragging on a bit is because we're after a couple of their players at the same time as their manager?

Robin Cannon
335 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:44:30
Paul (329) - "So we continue to seek the right man to lead us, and the board obviously feel Koeman is that man. Meanwhile, the club we are reputed to be paying £5 million in compensation. Why not make Frank de Boer top of their list?"

Haven't you answered your own question? The board, and presumably Moshiri in particular, clearly feel that Koeman is the right man to lead us.

That being the case, they are far better pursuing that to its conclusion, and hiring the man they want.

Everyone is going a little crazy over the "delay". If clubs took a more considered approach, and a little more time, in hiring managers, we'd probably see less turnover all round. It takes longer to hire a middle manager for a reasonable sized accountancy company than we seem to expect Everton to take in hiring the man who's going to control the first team.

Nick Page
336 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:44:53
Dan, McGovern is more than likely a fxcking RS. No surprises there. (outdated) Twitter profile says professional Man U hater (located in Liverpool). Probably from Cornwall.

Everton are a big club.

All facts

Tony Hill
337 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:46:34
The good thing about this rather messy business in getting Koeman over the line (which I have found very frustrating too) is that we will just steamroller through it. We will get what Moshiri always wanted and the noise from the South coast just doesn't matter in the end.

That persistence and conviction that the objective will be achieved are what people like Moshiri do best. As we make ourselves serious contenders again, we'll come across more of this with transfers etc. and we'll be consistently disregarded and/or patronised by the media. But I no longer worry that we'll be swatted aside or accept our appointed Sky position.

Behind some of the condescending and disgruntled commentary we're getting at the moment will lie anxiety that Everton have got real clout again and that we are set to use it.

Mike Green
338 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:48:12
John #326 - absolutely right, all we need is the sort of upturn in fortunes that Chelsea and Man City have had and they'll soon change their tune. Then it'll be "always one of the big English clubs" etc.

To say Southampton are bigger than us is frankly ludicrous. Our history dwarfs theirs and our future will too.

Dave Pritchard
339 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:51:09
This big club issue is irrelevant as is what Motson or this or that journalist or pundit says. A pundit is seen as doing their job by their employers if people are talking about what they are saying. I make my own mind up and don't worry about what others are saying and certainly don't get upset by yet another comment from a so-called professional.
John Daley
340 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:54:37
"Why not make Frank de Boer top of their list? A successful Manager who has come out and stated publicly he would love to manage us. Koeman himself has not come out publicly and said he would love to manage us."

When did De Boer do that then? He himself has had as much to say as Koeman on the matter. Nothing at all. His brother and his agent have both declared he would be interested in the job, in an attempt to squeeze him into contention, but that's about it. They also said he would "love" the Liverpool job, the Newcastle job and the Spurs job not so long ago. Basically, he'd love a Premier League job, not the Everton job in particular.

If Koeman has agreed terms with the club, then that clearly demonstrates he wants to become manager. What else do you want him to do? Call a press conference off his own bat before the two clubs have even bashed everything out? Start coming out with a load of old flannel about how he's so desperate to be 'The Man' at Goodison he'd even consider garrotting Changy the Elephant, stripping him down to his grots, getting dressed in his duds and dancing about like a goon for a good 45 mins, just so he can fulfill his life long ambition of standing in front of the Family Enclosure while a load of edgy pre-teens shout "Eyyy!!! Do something nob'ead. You're shite!" in his direction?

Brian Harrison
341 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:55:02
Well it doesnt really matter what Motson or Southampton fans think.
The man who matters thinks he is better joining us than staying at Southampton. I have absolutely no doubt about Koeman being a success, our toughest job might be keeping him out of the clutches of Barcelona if he does well.
Obviously he has been convinced by Moshiri of his vision of where he wants Everton to be in 5 years time. At last after decades we know have a man in charge who has got the money to get us back into the top echelons again.
Phil Jeffries
342 Posted 07/06/2016 at 14:57:03
Dan #334 - I have the same suspicion. Koeman unveiled next to a VERY expensive goalkeeper named Forster!
Ian Glassey
343 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:03:16
Dan 323. McGovern is a red shite as are most of his family (brother's) he is living in the shadow of there John the T.V. writer. But were John is a lovely man, Derek is not..
Daniel Lawrence
344 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:05:16
I notice the BBC etc didn't debate the reasons why Pep was leaving Bayern for City and whether City were bigger..or even comparing Dortmund to The Shite and tow high one is actually been successful in the last decade plus....
Still, we've had a board that's talked us down for twenty years and a manager for a decade who did the same, so no great surprise....
Bill Griffiths
347 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:30:39
While I know everyone is not going to agree and that football is in the main a matter of opinions I sometimes despair reading post on here. Koeman's appointment hasn't bee officially confirmed yet and already he and the club are receiving stick and condemnation about his appointment.

While my personal preference would be to take a chance on De Boer along with either Mochi or Overmard as DoF I can see on the face of things that at this moment in time Koeman has the better credentials and deserves our full support.

I can't understand people knocking him without giving him a chance nor them saying he's just come for the money and is using us as a stepping stone to either Arsenal or Barcelona. Obviously the money will have some attraction but if he does have ambitions of going to Arsenal or Barcelona then I think it was brave of him to take this job. He could have taken the safer east option and stayed at Southampton and performed as he has the last couple of seasons and been applauded for doing a fantastic job within the constraints of having to continually sell their best players etc. If he does have higher ambitions he is going to have to succeed here and be successful if he ever wants to move to Arsenal of Barcelona. They are not going to want a failure so it is in his own best interests to make a success of his time here.

Patrick Murphy
348 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:42:32
I thought this piece on the four-four-two website has it about right as to why Everton FC have gone for Koeman and what it may mean in the future.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/Everton-have-accepted-mediocrity-too-long-looks-a-new-age-ambition#:ZwGyd94p4_pX1A

Mediocre for too long

Paul Kossoff
349 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:44:17
Bill 347, most of the posts on here are tongue in cheek or spare of the moment comments, the same as when you're at a match; you call Lukaku an idiot... then, a minute later, you are saying he is a genius.

We all want Everton to be better than anyone else who ever the manager is, and as you well know the honeymoon period will not last long for Koeman, unless he keeps making the breakfast, and washing the dishes and pouring the beers.

Eugene Ruane
350 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:45:26
I never thought Koeman was a great fit for Southampton, I believe they're the type of club who will ultimately benefit from having a local in charge, a Hampshire man who knows how people down there think - not for me to say who, but this guy imo would fit the bill.

Link

Andrew Ellams
351 Posted 07/06/2016 at 15:57:36
When you're a football supporter the biggest team in the world is always your team, whoever they are.
Brian Denton
352 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:00:59
Andrew, claiming Everton are the biggest team in the world would be silly. Claiming we are a bigger team than Southampton is (I suggest) perfectly reasonable.
Damian Wilde
353 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:01:23
Oliver:

"You cannot deny that Southampton are currently a better outfit than us."

What do you base this on? League position I bet. So Leicester are bigger than Man U, Liverpool, Spurs et al?

You can't just take one factor into account. What about squads, new additions, potential, etc.

I will d4ny they're a better outfut as they aren't. They were third tier not so long ago, ridiculous statement.

Danny O'Neill
354 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:02:26
Just broke on the BBC
Danny O'Neill
355 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:08:47
Brings his brother and assistant (Erwin. ...also great player) and also fitness coach with him. Let's get behind Ronald then.
Steve Foster
356 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:09:09
Done Deal, BBC Reporting it now.

Thank god, finger hurts from hitting refresh for the last 48 hours!

Welcome to the club RK

Eivind Nyhus
357 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:09:09
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/36455355
Paul Smith
358 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:12:37
All done, good stuff...

Protracted process maybe but definitely a sniff of rutlessness about it.

Time to renew my away supporters membership and join the faithful again.

Tony Hill
359 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:16:50
Not yet according to the Echo.
Ian Jones
360 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:17:12
With Roberto back as Director of Football. Who saw that coming!
Eric Myles
361 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:22:10
Welcome to our brave new world
Dan Davies
362 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:22:54
Thanks Nick and Ian makes sense now. Twat.

Patrick@348, good read that, an unbiased reporter, it seems their like rocking horse shite sometimes.

Dan Davies
363 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:22:54
Thanks Nick and Ian makes sense now. Twat.

Patrick@348, good read that, an unbiased reporter, it seems their like rocking horse shite sometimes.

Pete Edwards
364 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:23:00
Haha Le Tissier having a moan again bless his cottons!

Welcome RK hopefully you can turn this squad in to fit, hungry winners!!

COYB

Chris Williams
365 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:23:35
Done deal now

Fancy him coming to a smaller club!

Jay Wood
366 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:24:24
Wait for it ... wait for it!

Link

Paul Kossoff
367 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:28:55
Contrary to reports, the club have yet to reach an agreement with the Saints boss.
Chris Williams
368 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:37:59
According to the Echo, Everton are denying it's a done deal, as Jay above has intimated.
Dean Peamum
369 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:40:18
Matt Le Tissier says that Koeman is taking a "huge gamble" joining Everton.
Maybe Matt, but so is spread betting with your mates on the outcome of a game.
Ray Robinson
370 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:43:15
The Everton site is also currently "undergoing maintenance" ..... Well it was a minute ago but not any more!

Phil Walling
371 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:45:49
Patrick @ 348. Yes, that Four-four-Two piece just about gets to the truth of it.

Everton ARE a big club. They just haven't behaved like it in recent years !

Andrew Clare
372 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:49:34
Yes. An excellent piece in fourfourtwo.
Exciting times ahead. Thank you Mr Moshiri.
Brian Harrison
373 Posted 07/06/2016 at 16:57:16
SSN are saying the deal is virtually done and Everton will announce it tomorrow. Also they say that despite the rumour there is no clause in the contract stopping him going back for Southampton players.
Terence Tyler
376 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:11:07
Bookies have closed the book
Ray Atherton
377 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:14:46
Ian 343

Jimmy Mc govern is the writer, not John.
There is another brother Joey, who is an
Evertonian.

Oscar Huglin
378 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:23:58
Koeman's agent says done deal.
Eugene Kearney
379 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:25:56
I've just switched on computer - the BBC says it's all done and he's our manager...

Yipeeeeeeeeeee....

There'll be some spring-cleaning done now as from next week....

Ian Glassey
380 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:30:19
Ray 377. Sorry mate ment to say Jimmy, getting mixed up with a guy I worked with called John. Your right about Joe being the good guy (blue) , Jimmy, Kenny, Derek and Billy all reds..
Mike Connolly
381 Posted 07/06/2016 at 17:48:15
Matt Le Tissier never had the bottle or ambition to leave Southampton in his Prime. Big fish small pond with him. No surprise him having a pop at us...with our re-found BIG club image back. COYB!
Tony Draper
382 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:00:20
Mike @381
Completely agree.

My message to the unfulfilled talented Le Tiss is simple.
"You're bitter ? Well suck it up !".

John Pierce
383 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:13:34
People, whether that be fans, media types, ex-professionals banging on about the betrayal, deceit etc. Can only mean we are on the rise again, if there was nothing in it and Everton were going nowhere, then there would be no noise about the move.

What is pleasing me most that Moshiri says nothing, Everton say nothing. He's let everyone else do the talking and it makes us look great, and in control.

And should it have gone tits up then, we could walk away without looking foolish. Not official yet but the whole thing reeks of a new professional era of a proper football club able to throw its weight around without being crass and amateur.

As for the players etc. I have no love love for Lukaku, never have. Truly a very good goal scorer but I want a little more from my centre forward, especially when you think of the players we've had play there.

I'd hope based on Koeman's playing career, and his Dutch nature, paradoxically both laid back & a disciplinarian Stones thinks about staying.

Barkely needs a huge Kick up the back side and believe discipline will make the player, rather than the aimless constant smoking blowing platitudes he got from Martinez.

No Forster for me, we should be aiming way higher for a postion that is key to any team and goes along way to determining success.

Seriously the rest I could take or leave.........

Ian McDowell
384 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:13:51
Exciting summer ahead by the looks of it.
Oliver Molloy
385 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:20:03
Damian Wilde @ 353....

I think you have a made a mistake, I said nothing of the sort.

Damian Wilde
386 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:27:49
Apologies Oliver, must have been someone else.
David Edwards
387 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:32:27
Let's face it, Newcastle and Villa are bigger clubs than Southampton, and they've just got relegated. I'd even suggest Leeds United as a bigger club - despite their long lack of success of late. Don't even bother thinking about Yesterday Man - Motson - and his comments about us (always preferred Barry Davies myself)!

Thankfully we now have an owner who knows we are a big club rather than a plucky underdog punching above our Wright and taking a knife to a gun fight...unless others we could mention!

David Edwards
388 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:34:52
Bloody predictive text - you know what I mean! ;-)
Mick Davies
390 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:37:08
I can't wait for the banners at the 2019 Champions League final; "Who's a small club Motty?" - "This is what success looks like Le Tiss"
Brent Stephens
392 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:42:17
And that's the way to do business. Ignore people berating the club for "keeping us in the dark". Gotta laugh.
Daniel A Johnson
393 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:46:16
Ok I'm puzzled

One year left on a reported £1.25M a year contract so why the £5M compenstion fee?

I'm glad we got him but think we paid slightly over the odds.

Daniel A Johnson
394 Posted 07/06/2016 at 18:50:12
In effect were behaving like a big club.........buying who we want money no object.

I'm sure Southampton feel sore but they are a prem feeder club nothing more. Europa league footie, a good scouting network and a new identikit meccano stadium doesn't make them a big club.

Pre Moshiri we would be looking at Moyes MkII or Eddie Howe.

Welcome and thank you Moshiri .........now about that stadium

Tony Draper
395 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:02:08
Daniel @393.
Seems that Erwin and Jan Kluitenberg are coming along too, possibly the extra is in respect of them

Though as Saints are a small, selling club which generally holds a "car boot sale" each summer at St Mary's, maybe Bill has had first dibs on some theatrical ephemera ?
("Oooooh ! A Dame Sybil Thorndike snowstorm !").

To be honest, I don't really give a flying shite.

Koeman in, Check.
Now things start to get much more interesting.

Colin Glassar
396 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:06:27
This is the longest "on the verge of..........." thread I can remember. Surely it merits an exclusive live forum chat?
Helen Mallon
397 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:12:31
Colin glassar I second that
Paul Johnson
398 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:14:42
It's not just Motty who thinks we are a small club, BK clearly did, Moyes did and our former heroes and club ambassadors messrs Stuart, Sharp and Ratcliffe did. I'll never forget 'be careful what you wish for' being spouted on SSN as we protested against Martinez.

They should all hang their heads in shame, step forward Big Nev and Michael Ball for standing up for us and demanding ambition.
Colin Glassar
399 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:15:51
The longest thread or the live forum, Helen?
Paul Tran
400 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:19:10
For the umpteenth time, I am chuffed with way we've done this. No talk, no hype, no waffle, just action and a big statement of intent.

The FFT article was spot on. This has been the action of a big club. Long may it continue.

Welcome Big Ron!

Phil Walling
401 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:21:46
Tony Marsh once had an anti Moyes thread go over the thousand mark, Colin.

Now there's a man who could rant !

Eivind Nyhus
402 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:23:40
A live chat funktion would be great in situations like this one!
Colin Glassar
404 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:29:35
I can imagine Phil.

As things are starting to heat up with a new manager to be announced shortly, followed closely by all the transfer speculation (plus the euros) I think the live forum should be reinstated so we don't lose track of unfolding events.

Anyone agree?

Raymond Fox
406 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:37:26
I don't care what they call us, we have attendances of 40,000 mad blue supporters every home game which will swell to a lot more in a bigger stadium if we get a serious team.
They media will soon change their tune you had better believe it, if we start splashing the cash on top players.

So called 'big clubs' are that because of their spending power by whatever means, that's something we've lacked for a long time now, hopefully Mr Moshiri will step up to the plate and provide the funds.
There's every chance the other shareholders/owners will do likewise, after all they have stumped up reasonably well prompted by Martinez over the last few years.

Just don't expect us to set the world alight from the off, its going to take time in a League as solid as the Prem.

Daniel A Johnson
407 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:38:35
agree colin live chat/banter would be great.
Graham Mockford
408 Posted 07/06/2016 at 19:38:47
Daniel #393

It's pretty straightforward. You cannot neccesarily buy yourself out of a contract unless you have a clause to that effect.If we want him now we have to negotiate with the other party to the contract to effectively terminate that contract. It's just becomes a figure the two sides are happy with.

It's no different to a player transfer. John Stones couldn't say to us last year Chelsea can just pay up the remaining four years of my contract and I'm off. That is why a transfer fee is paid to rip up an existing contract.

Garry Corgan
409 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:20:05
So it appears our targeting of Koeman and instigating his walking out on Southampton is very unpopular in the football world.

Well, if we're going to be the bad guy then so be it. Let's use It to our advantage. We've been too nice for too long. This time we've come along and taken what we wanted - exactly like the other "big clubs" do.

Our billionaire isn't the world's biggest and gone are the days of an oligarch coming into a club and buying the league - there are too many clubs with too much money for that to happen again. At best we can join the elite and that's what we must aim to do, by any means necessary.

The neutrals seem to be of the view that we are, indeed, no bigger than Southampton and therefore no bigger than West Ham or, God forbid, Stoke City. Let this be the call to arms and the opening shot that tells the entire footballing world that one of the footballing giants has just reawoken.

Mathew McKay
411 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:33:06
Straight away the media trying their best to rally people like le tissier to plant doubt in Koeman's mind. They have done it with Barkley and Stones, picking them apart in the press to get into their heads. There's going to be a lot more negativity around Koeman's decision to leave and they will try to do the same with him. I just hope that Koeman and Moshiri are both long enough in the tooth to first of all ignore the press and crack on from the first game of the season, but to also get the squad drilled on the same wavelength and ensure they are not put off by media pundits slating them, their ability and their decisions.
Liam Reilly
412 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:34:34
Well clearly this is the guy that Moshiti wanted from the off and he seems to know his stuff so I'm all in.

100 to 1 on now and Moyes out to 56-1; thank fuck those days are over because without the presence of Moshiri, I'd imagine his reappointment wouldn't have been too far away.

Frank Crewe
413 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:34:46
So City taking Bayern's manager is ok but Everton taking Southampton's isn't? At least we didn't bin our manager halfway through the season but ask him to keep his seat warm until the new guy arrived.
Frank Crewe
414 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:37:59
Liam if it wasn't for Moshiri we wouldn't be reappointing Moyes because we would still have Martinez.
Brian Harrison
415 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:38:28
According to all the so called pundits of all the people we were linked with getting Koeman was the least likely to happen. Well hats of Mr Moshiri seems like we have someone who doesnt think we are a small club punching above our weight.
I have only heard good things about him and this is just the begining, and yes many Premiership clubs will have lots to spend, but we have a man in charge who will make things happen and convince people that that we are on the move.
Exciting times ahead I think.
Brian Harrison
416 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:38:29
According to all the so called pundits of all the people we were linked with getting Koeman was the least likely to happen. Well hats of Mr Moshiri seems like we have someone who doesnt think we are a small club punching above our weight.
I have only heard good things about him and this is just the begining, and yes many Premiership clubs will have lots to spend, but we have a man in charge who will make things happen and convince people that that we are on the move.
Exciting times ahead I think.
Brian Harrison
417 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:38:30
According to all the so called pundits of all the people we were linked with getting Koeman was the least likely to happen. Well hats of Mr Moshiri seems like we have someone who doesnt think we are a small club punching above our weight.

I have only heard good things about him and this is just the begining, and yes many Premiership clubs will have lots to spend, but we have a man in charge who will make things happen and convince people that that we are on the move.

Exciting times ahead I think.
Brian Cleveland
418 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:39:38
So we've finally got our.... Koe-man? Taxi!
Paul Tran
419 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:48:28
I see Eva's settled her tribunal case, before Jose's day in the dock. Hope she got more than the £1.2m she was originally offered.

Of course the most interesting footy tribunal case was Big Joe v Man City. He got them relegated and apparently took them to a tribunal for them not paying a Premiership bonus. Apparently his argument was that when he left they were still a Premiership club. Amazingly he won and got his money. City then appealed on the basis that though the season had not yet started, they were regarded as a Championship club. They won, so apparently Joe had to give them the money back!

Funny old game, eh?

David Chait
422 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:50:41
Just read the Russian Linesman blog on Koeman. Might just begin to get excited about the prospect.

Definitely warming to the idea. Whatever it does, it is a real statement from Moshiri.

Ged Simpson
423 Posted 07/06/2016 at 20:53:37
Remember the hope and the support of Moshiri. In time he will have to act and many may not like what he does. We will not be top of league in next year. So remember this optimism and give them a chance and cheer the way you can for at least a couple of years.
Mike Green
426 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:00:24
Me too David #422 - got me all a bit, well, tingly :)
Colin Glassar
427 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:05:27
Expect the heat from the media to increase over the next few days with stories about pre-agreements for Stones and Lukaku.

The amount of snidey little comments coming from every angle is nauseating but to be expected. It's ok for 'their' anointed clubs to poach players and managers but plucky little Everton? No, that isn't in the script. Messrs Dunne, Wallace, Custiss bros, Richardson, Bates etc.....will be sharpening their knives.

No more noisy neighbours is their motto.

Robert McKenna
428 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:07:29
Just seen some sad Southampton supporters on Sky, when asked who they want as next manager one of them said Eddie Howe. Surely that would be a sideways move for him?
David Greenwood
429 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:11:27
Agree totally Colin.
Tony Draper
430 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:12:30
So cuddly Everton aren't cuddly anymore ?
Fuckin' Magic !

Now let's return to being tigers on the pitch and make GP a hostile Bearpit !

We like "The Mosh" !!

And so what if that upsets the "Skybabies" ?

Here's a little music remember us by, a cuddly thankyou for the patronising dismissal ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dH1QmfQnWbg

Mark Fitzgerald
431 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:14:13
Agreed Colin. Don't remember too much sympathy for Everton when Utd and City came after some of our assets. What I remember is the same rubbish that is being rolled out now re' Stones, Lukaku, Barkley i.e. better for their careers to move on to a 'bigger' club.

Kinda refreshing to see 'little plucky' Everton flexing some financial muscle and getting their intended target. Hopefully a sign of things to come.
Gary Hughes
432 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:17:19
David #422 can you put a link on here for the Russian Linesman blog please.
Colin Glassar
433 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:20:50
Even poor old, senile Motty had a go at us today saying we weren't a bigger club than Southampton. His criteria? Southampton have finished two consecutive seasons above Everton. Big fuckung deal Motty. Maybe you should stick to shagging your coat!!
Dean Adams
434 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:25:38
Times are a changing.................for the better. Great things ahead lads and lasses.
Ian Jones
435 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:25:46
It worked so well for Moyes going to a bigger club. Seem to remember the press were not too worried at rhe time about Man Utd going after our Manager, considering he sort of started working at Old Trafford before the end of his Everton contract was technically up etc.
Tony Hill
437 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:34:26
It's wonderful to hear the dismay all around us. Moshiri is delivering and I've no doubt that the fans will deliver next year too at Goodison. This is what we all needed.
Tony Draper
438 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:36:03
Los tiempos van cambiando !
Tony Draper
439 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:36:03
Maybe ALL things Everton are in the ascendant ?

Our Chilean Twins Everton de Viña del Mar, promoted to primera.

Tony Bellew WBC World Champ at "The Grand old Lady".

Everton, new owner, new manager, new attitude !

So because, as Dean @434 correctly pointed out, "The times they are a'changing ".

Have this offering in respect of our Evertonian family !
Link

Colin Glassar
440 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:43:48
Now psycho is having his tuppence worth saying he thought Koeman would wait for a "bigger club". Anyone else? Bring it on, wheel out all the serial failures at management you want - We do what we want, we do what we want, Everton football club, we do what we want.

They are going to have to get used us like it or not. We don't care.

David Israel
442 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:49:00
Just to put this talk of "big club/small club" in perspective: if an Everton manager decided to jump ship and join the Saints, now, that would be an upset!
Lee Whitehead
443 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:53:18
We need an open letter to Mr Moshiri - just to let him know he is giving us our pride back. NSNO
Mike Green
444 Posted 07/06/2016 at 21:59:31
The stars are aligning Colin :)
Jay Woods
445 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:01:03
Yes, promising times to be a Toffeeman, no doubt.

All we need now is for Russia to invade the Baltics and WW3 to start.

Mark Fitzgerald
446 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:04:01
If the price of success is that other clubs start looking at us as 'The Big Bad Toffees', then I don't see many of us complaining about that.

What I wouldn't give to see Moshiri show up at Goodison on the first day of the new season dressed as Willy Wonka (Gene Wilder version) and limping slowly on his cane towards the Directors box when suddenly .......

Tim O'Connell
447 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:08:02
Mr Moshiri has transformed this summer from being despair to one of hope and excitement. RK I think is ideal appointment and with the combination of some exciting youngsters, some quality core who will improve under RK and the thought of £100m to add to the squad we have justifiable expectations - irrelevant the comments of the dated hacks we are and will be a big - no mighty club!
Phil Bellis
448 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:09:27
Nice one Jay, 2 World Wars and Heysel.. twas ever our lot
I don't normally swear in polite company but, to modify an old Everton song.... Fuck 'em all, Fuck 'em all....
Tony Draper
449 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:09:37
Big Club v little club ? Are they fuckin' serious ?

Honours:
Everton: Link

Little club:Link

League Position 2015-16:
Everton: 11th
Little club: 6th

Attendances 2015-16:
1) Average
Everton: 38,124 (96.4% capacity)
Little club: 30,750 (94.1% capacity)

2) Total Attendance
Everton: 724,356 (6th Highest Average Attendance)
Little club: 584,266 (13th Highest Average Attendance)
ALL Clubs attendance stats:
Link

Kevin Elliott
450 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:14:14
Don't tempt fate Jay 445
Bob Cumiskey
451 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:14:41
Colin 433, superb line about Motty. Very funny!
That scene would definitely beat the goal of the month slot every time.
Oliver Molloy
452 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:16:30
Fuck the lot of them.
It's us against them and we will shove their opinions up there arses.

Next on the agenda is a couple of real leaders on the pitch who aren't afraid to fire a rocket or two at those players who get away with strolling round the pitch like its a testimonial game.
Fuck this appreciative hand clap and big smile to a team mate that has over a pass by 10 yards or whatever.
All this shite has to stop.

I am hoping that Koeman can really stamp his authority on Everton and when players are out of order they fucking know from now this is not acceptable.
A new more ruthless Everton football team is what I want.
I want us in the faces of referees questioning every poor decision from here on in.
This could be the start of Everton really competing again, but big changes are required.
COYB.

Danny O'Neill
453 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:18:18
Stop rising to the Sky bait about the big club / little club debate. They do it for effect and to get a reaction. Rise to it and you simply fuel their existence.

I personally don't need any washed up pundit who makes his money out of saying what his Sky masters demand in order to get a reaction out of the "glued" like audience who seemingly hang off their every comment.

We are Everton. We were "big" before Sky, have remained "big" despite their condescending attitude towards us and we will continue to be "big" as we are an institution of English football.

Good night!!

John Daley
454 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:24:03
Link

Or...

Link

Nicholas Ryan
455 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:26:35
Tony 439 .... The times they are A-changin... no G!
Dave Pritchard
456 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:32:20
Danny 453. I agree entirely. People should just ignore pundits. If everyone did they would be out of a job.
Mike Green
457 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:33:52
Gary #432 - link below hopefully...

Link

Kieran Kinsella
458 Posted 07/06/2016 at 22:54:08
The fact we are arguing about being a big club makes us seem like a little club. We need to move past all this crap about what Benitez said etc. Any fool can see the difference between a big club (fans, trophies etc) and a medium sized or small club. In the vernacular of the punditry world "big club" is often used as an allusion to a "good team." Deal with it. Who cares? No pundit can effect what happens on the pitch as Leicester proved last year. Personally, I think of Sheff Wed as a bigger club than Soton but what does it matter?
Paul Black
459 Posted 07/06/2016 at 23:11:43
Oliver Malloy, 452...

I reckon you're spot on. We need some venom. A Steven Naismith on steroids. A real presence with Jack Russell tendencies and who better than Diego Costsa?

Can you think of anyone who pisses more people off and as a bonus he'll presumably be less likely to bite any of his new teammates.

God I miss Naisy.

Gary Russell
460 Posted 07/06/2016 at 23:52:38
What Le Tissier said is fair comment and so is this... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03xm65z
Gary Russell
461 Posted 07/06/2016 at 23:55:40
What the Southampton fan on the above link should realise is human nature. Who is going to refuse an extra 3 million quid a year or what ever the figure is?
Tony Draper
462 Posted 07/06/2016 at 23:58:25
Mike @457.
Thanks for that link, much appreciated.

I particularly liked "Mere weeks have passed, but comparing Southampton now to Everton then is comparing different eras.". Cracking stuff.

Dan Davies
463 Posted 07/06/2016 at 00:09:37
Mike@457, another good read. Thanks for posting that. I enjoy articles about our club that have no obvious bias against us.

When will the media/pundits show the respect our famous club deserves? Probably when we start winning stuff again. So let's start with a new manager.....

Phil Bellis
464 Posted 08/06/2016 at 00:13:22
"The history of Association Football in England is the history of the Everton Football Club"...I rest my case
Phil Bellis
465 Posted 08/06/2016 at 00:19:13
Could be t'other way round but It's an historic quote
David Israel
466 Posted 08/06/2016 at 00:55:51
Jay Woods, # 445, you obviously know your History!
Jamie Crowley
467 Posted 08/06/2016 at 02:32:21
The Mosh pit = Goodison.

Fear the Mosh pit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o7w7m4lb2ok

Richard Lyons
468 Posted 08/06/2016 at 07:04:04
Love the Russian Linesman assessment (thanks, Mike 457).

To be honest, I'm still unsure whether I would have preferred FdB over RK, but I like reading things like "Everton have a bona fide winner in the dugout for the first time in an age."

Philip Mannering
469 Posted 08/06/2016 at 07:27:58
Well.....almost in the bag, almost.

If we keep Stones and Barkley it will speak volumes in terms of what they have been promised and the new outlook of the club. If they stay it will irk a few other clubs, and perhaps they may come to realise that the sleeping giant has once again woken up.

COYB

Mike Green
470 Posted 08/06/2016 at 08:40:19
All plaudits to David Chait for highlighting the Russian Linesman Blog - loads of little gems in there to lift the spirits....another one being:

"Four months on, we have substance. Moshiri has not only begun to walk the walk, his first step was more of a leap. He has essentially rebranded Everton: wealthy, ambitious, proactive."

Soulfood :)

Daniel Joseph
471 Posted 08/06/2016 at 08:54:01
Has the fat lady started to gargle yet coz she ain't singing!
Bill Griffiths
472 Posted 08/06/2016 at 09:08:17
Loved the link Tony, Sons is one of my all time favourite programs.
Damian Wilde
473 Posted 08/06/2016 at 10:45:13
Are we bothered about keeping Stones & Barkley?
Patrick Murphy
474 Posted 08/06/2016 at 10:51:33
Damian (473) If the new manager can get out of them what they are both capable of on a consistent basis, then of course we should be bothered. Talented footballers don't grow on trees and I'd much prefer to see them both reach their full potential in an Everton shirt rather than seeing them do it in a rival one.
Damian Wilde
475 Posted 08/06/2016 at 11:16:48
What if we got £40 million for Stones and bought one just as good/better (defensively anyway – their job!) for £20 million? Leave us with £20 mill. Chances are he won't want to sray anyway.

Barkley...been poor for two years. Martinez's fault? Possibly. But surely he can run three yards to try to tackle someone, rather than lazily trot about?

Alec Smith
476 Posted 08/06/2016 at 12:40:23
Wouldn't want to lose Stones or Barkley. Under the right manager I think they have huge potential. Besides we already have a lot of players in the squad that need replacing.

I hope we have more like £200m for transfers, coz £100m is gonna get stretched real thin considering the number of bodies we need to bring in. Unless there are some real talents in the youth set up that could be promoted to the senior squad to take some of the pressure off!

Eugene Ruane
477 Posted 08/06/2016 at 12:51:15
If Koeman is appointed and we start winning derbies, I wonder if there will be any special celebration instructions.

Link

Tony Hill
478 Posted 08/06/2016 at 13:43:44
Does anyone have an update on an official announcement? Everything seems to have gone quiet after yesterday's flurry.
Danny Halsall
479 Posted 08/06/2016 at 13:49:42
Tony #480, apparently an official announcement is due to be made later today. That's what it says in the story on SSN.
Tony Hill
480 Posted 08/06/2016 at 14:03:12
Thanks Danny.
Paul Williams
481 Posted 08/06/2016 at 14:07:07
It could well be more than £100m but probably not wise to shout about it before bids for players begin. So maybe the press have plucked a figure from nowhere.
Roger Helm
482 Posted 08/06/2016 at 14:52:53
So after years of being a nice plucky impoverished underdog we are a rich financial bully squashing smaller clubs with our ambition.

I know which I prefer.

Philip Mannering
483 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:27:56
A nice article in The Telegraph.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/08/ronald-koeman-appointment-will-be-seen-as-day-Everton-banished-u/
John Louis Jones
484 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:28:33
I think that we waiting to announce Koeman and DoF at the same time.
Eric Holland
485 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:31:26
Are we bothered about keeping Stones & Barkley?No both shite give them away to Chester for nowt!!!!!!!
Daniel A Johnson
486 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:38:01
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/kit-holden-the-day-a-swapped-german-shirt-was-used-as-toilet-paper-by-dutch-star-ronald-koeman-26864214.html

Interesting story of how Ronald Koeman once used a german shirt as toilet paper.

Our new manager has passion all right.

Jay Wood
487 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:39:48
Phillip @ 483

Thanks for the Telegraph link - a really good piece.

It deserves to more prominence here on TW, rather than being buried away in a near 500 post thread.

Mike Hughes
488 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:52:04
I agree with Jay's comments.

The Telegraph article provides some perspective on EFC's history and standing with the renewed ambition and resources that Moshiri appears to have brought.

I can't think of a better article in the mainstream press concerning us for years.

It brings to mind an old tee shirt with a Muhammad Ali image and the words 'what's our name - Everton' beneath it.

Now for some silverware please.

Jim Lloyd
489 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:55:12
Well done Chris. Best article I've seen in a national paper about Everton, for years.
Brian Denton
490 Posted 08/06/2016 at 17:57:27
Jay, the Telegraph article does have its own thread, started a few hours ago.
James Hughes
491 Posted 08/06/2016 at 18:08:17
Daniel , a nice bit about the passion.

very good friend of mine lived in Germany and their biggest game is against the Dutch, England barely register on the 'must win' scale. The Dutch agree with that sentiment and want to beat them all the time and every time .That might explain his shirt ass wiping a bit more.

My missus who lived in the Netherlands (Holland is an area not the country BTW) for 5 years has said the same, the Dutch LOVE to beat the Germans , again England are down the list.

David Israel
492 Posted 08/06/2016 at 18:12:18
So, the old Lineker saying "11-a-side and in the end the Germans win" does not really apply in the Netherlands?
Brian Denton
493 Posted 08/06/2016 at 18:13:59
I think Dutch antipathy to Germany dates from the Nazi Occupation. Probably given another spark in 1974 when the best team didn't win the World Cup !
David Israel
494 Posted 08/06/2016 at 18:24:16
Or even back to the Kaiser, Brian?
Trevor Lynes
496 Posted 08/06/2016 at 18:59:38
What a bloody saga...do we ever do anything quickly.Other clubs have new managers and are already signing players.
Brent Stephens
497 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:04:25
Trevor, that's got to be tongue in cheek, yeh?! It's not about speed of decision but quality of decision.
Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
498 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:14:14
Jay (487), the Telegraph link is in our "Elsewhere on the Web" section which is, admittedly, buried a little towards the bottom of the homepage but the link is fairly prominent on all other pages in the right-hand column.

Colin Glassar
499 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:23:06
Henry Winter and Paddy Barclay are the only two journos who give us a fair crack of the whip, the rest look down on us as though they've just stepped on a dogs turd. But right now, I don't give a toss what they think.
Eugene Ruane
500 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:30:43
Brian (493) - 'I think Dutch antipathy to Germany dates from the Nazi Occupation."

Tut, it's anything with some people.

Mark Tanton
501 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:49:19
Almost every team in Europe sees Germany as a massive grudge game. For obvious reasons, Poland and Czech Republic, as well as Russia and Ukraine all want to do them over.
David Chait
502 Posted 08/06/2016 at 19:51:03
Thanks Mike for putting in the link.. great read eh...

Funny.. 2 days ago I was told to cheer up after saying Koeman was not my first, 2nd or 3rd choice... but was hopeful and would wait and see.
After that read I moved to ya it really is a statement of intent. Shows a real determination by Moshiri with some real feel good points.

In the top 50 managers I linked a week or so ago Koeman was very high on the list - top 7 if memory serves. But that wasn't enough to persuade.

Now after the Telegraph article I'm like "Hell Yeah!" It opened my eyes even more to the fact that he might actually be one heck of a manager ! In fact I wouldn't want anyone else! To take a manager from a team that will be in Europe next season and give Koeman arguably more exposure shows we are for real! Everton are being spoken about again in the same breath as "big" boys. Shit, even Merson called us an outside chance for the title! All because we have pulled off Koeman!
Power of the press .....

Mark Ryan
503 Posted 08/06/2016 at 21:26:01
Telegraph report is the best article written about Everton in over a decade. I'd agree that it deserves its own slot on TW.
Les Netherwood
504 Posted 08/06/2016 at 22:40:52
How much longer is this going to go on? Why does anything involving Kenwright and Enstone become more complicated by the day? We are being told he is going to be our manager, but more negotiations are still going on!!

Lets get him in so he can start planning for the new season, it promises to be something special...can't wait for it to start.

Dave Williams
505 Posted 08/06/2016 at 22:42:24
Don't know if anyone has mentioned it elsewhere but I think today would have been Harold Matthews birthday - ?81.

Reading the conjecture about our new owner/manager etc I wonder what words of wisdom Harold would have brought to the table - always full of insight and common sense he is sadly missed from this site.

David Israel
506 Posted 08/06/2016 at 22:47:13
Well, with all this delay, I can see it going all the way to Referendum day, and some returning officer declare that "the votes cast in this referendum were as follows: Koeman, Ronald - The Progressive Party - 7,768; Pellegrini, Manuel - The Keep-on-Sleeping Party- 678, Moyes, David - The Official Raving Monster Loony Party - 18".
Stan Schofield
507 Posted 08/06/2016 at 22:48:49
The Telegraph article is spot on. I started supporting Everton in 1961, and am used to success, despite the relatively low points. For Evertonians, staying constantly in the top division, with the very occasional excursion near the relegation zone, is mediocrity. I have relatives in Leicester, and their success last season will probably keep them happy from now on, regardless of their future performances.

In contrast, Everton is, in the long-run, a club of sustained expectation and achievement. The latter has been sparse for 20 or years and more, but that doesn't change the overall high expectation. Combine that expectation with financial resources, like now, and the future should be rosy. COYB
Patrick Murphy
508 Posted 08/06/2016 at 22:56:38
28 days tomorrow since Roberto was shown the door, why the panic boys - I understand that it has been a testing of our collective patience and past experience for Evertonians in particular is usually one of disappointment when things take any length of time. However, I honestly believe that Everton FC are going to show the fans a different face and will do things professionally and in their own good time.

Obviously all the words in the world won't help, because it's the actions we all want to see, but remember nobody from the club has uttered a word, there may have been careful leaks to the press but nothing definitive has yet been said by those in charge of the club - if nothing has been resolved by this time next week, I may start to go into panic mode, but I hope all is in place by the weekend or by the time Ronald ends his holiday.

Colin Metcalfe
509 Posted 08/06/2016 at 23:05:25
Dave # 505 Well said mate , he is sadly missed on this site !
Paul Kossoff
510 Posted 09/06/2016 at 01:31:47
I'm not a patient man and this typical Everton doing things slowly is really pissing me off. Koeman 'what ever any one says,' should have signed the bloody contract and then the poor exhausted over worked man could have went off on another holiday.

I would wet myself laughing if Diego Simeone is announced as our new boss next week while Koeman is lying on a beach somewhere.
Vijay Nair
511 Posted 09/06/2016 at 03:22:36
Patrick (508),

No doubt our dear club is going to be a different prospect next season, only for the better we all hope.

However, the top clubs (at which level we are hoping to be at), are already making moves to sign up players.

Link

Meanwhile we are yet to lock in our manager, with nothing but silence coming from the club (no surprises there!). Seriously, the club needs to pull their collective finger out and get on with things already!

Phil Walling
513 Posted 09/06/2016 at 07:59:43
Rumours this morning that we are only going to get ONE Koeman for the price of TWO !

Many Saints fans believe that brother Erwin is the real power behind Ronald's throne as the brothers are set to go up against each other for the first time.

Perhaps, just perhaps, not such a good deal after all ?

Eivind Nyhus
514 Posted 09/06/2016 at 09:16:12
That sounds silly, Phil. If so, Erwin would be the manager and Ronald his assistant.
Anyway, they are both coming.
Sean Connor
515 Posted 09/06/2016 at 10:20:30
its a pain in the arse,Wed he will be confirmed, thats what being Evertonian is.
Gordon Crawford
516 Posted 09/06/2016 at 10:32:26
Great read that telegraph article.
Jon Bentley
517 Posted 09/06/2016 at 10:35:22
Where's that rumour from Phil??
Andrew Clare
518 Posted 09/06/2016 at 10:43:21
Is the announcement being delayed until Koeman returns from holiday?
I suspect it is so that there can be a full press conference with Koeman outlining his plans for the team.
Danny Halsall
519 Posted 09/06/2016 at 10:58:25
Apparently, rumours are starting to circulate suggesting that the announcement of Koeman as new manager will be paired with Monchi coming in a Director of Football. The reason for the delays is that Everton want to make a double announcement. Bit sceptical, but you never know!
Bob Cumiskey
520 Posted 09/06/2016 at 11:19:01
EFC have handled the recruitment of Martinez's replacement extremely well in my opinion.
The mosh has got his man and will not unveil him until the time is right and he has returned from his holiday with his family.

Imagine the outcry from the press and the fans if Koeman had been pictured holding a shirt up at Finch Farm and then disappeared for 10 days on holiday.

It's a no brainer, wait until he returns and then get him unveiled.
We should be enjoying this period and being Evertonians right now.
Some of the stuff being written about us is extremely positive right now and is providing me with real good vibes in relation to next season.

Well done to all involved so far as the way they have gone about their business has got the press sitting up and paying attention.

Can't wait until we get Koeman in place though, to see who we are linked with as well as the enhanced press coverage.
Good or bad, we are in the headlines and I for one welcome it.

Despite me not appreciating Lukaku talking up a move prior to the Euros, I think he will stay once he has sat down with the Mosh and Koeman and listened to their plans.
A decision I would welcome if it happened.

Onwards and upwards Evertonians!!

Phil Walling
521 Posted 09/06/2016 at 12:24:47
Cyprus sports news suggested that Saint's choice of manager was down to Erwin Koeman or Frank de Boer. Interviews today, announcement tomorrow

I has thought that the £5M compo was to cover the two Koemans and their fitness coach !

Patrick Murphy
522 Posted 09/06/2016 at 12:49:00
Phil (521) Nobody knows anything about any of the agreements between Everton FC and Southampton - because none of it is officially in the public domain. However, if Erwin does remain at Southampton that will be unsatisfactory purely because the Koeman brothers would have a foot in either camp - not a crime, but it would seem a strange thing to happen given they have only forged a 'managerial' relationship since Ronald took over at Southampton. I would suggest that if Erwin wishes to remain at St. Mary's it might be a deal breaker. We will as ever wait to see what actually transpires.
Brian Denton
523 Posted 09/06/2016 at 13:04:38
Phil, I could be wrong but you seem to be gearing-up as the Jeremiad poster again, this time against Koeman rather than Martinez. That's three years to look forward to. Not.

Just out of interest, did you ever state a preference for a new manager, or just have 'Meh...Seventhish' on your clipboard ready to paste whoever came in?

David Chait
524 Posted 09/06/2016 at 13:11:16
Saints was the first time Erwin worked with Ronnie.. Definitely not his reason for success.
Tony Hill
525 Posted 09/06/2016 at 14:17:31
Echo is saying the delay is just over contractual logistics because of Koeman being on holiday and there are no complications. On that basis it will be some time next week. Fair enough.
Kieran Kinsella
526 Posted 09/06/2016 at 14:26:05
Patrick

"The Koemans would have a foot in both camps." They're not the illuminati. They're individuals each concerned with their own success. Nobody queried Jack playing for Leeds with Bobby at Man U. What a bizarre statement.

Patrick Murphy
527 Posted 09/06/2016 at 14:37:04
Kieran (526) I said it wouldn't be a crime, but it would be unusual due to the current situation, given the protracted negotiations, ordinarily the brothers managing different clubs is not in itself an issue. It's all conjecture because of the lack of actual information, so a lot of bizarre statements have been made, I have a view I expressed it, if you find it bizarre fine.
Stan Schofield
528 Posted 09/06/2016 at 15:04:10
I haven't yet read a press report that says "We don't know what's happening, there being no official statements as yet", presumably because that wouldn't get the press much attention. Instead, it's the usual media speculation, which admittedly is difficult to ignore.

It's always amazing how the media can pad out a story with minimal information, and dig up the likes of Le Tissier to provide irrelevant comments.

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