Will DCL lead the line again in Lyon?
Everton's elimination from the Europa League was confirmed as they went down 3-0 in Lyon to three goals scored in the last half hour.
It was bitterly ironic for David Unsworth that his men had been having the better of the second half and had come very close to breaking the deadlock when Lyon opened the scoring at the other end.
Bertrand Traore set the French side on their way before Houssem Aouar doubled the lead and, after Morgan Schneiderlin was sent off, Memphis Depay finished Everton off with a headed third that condemned the Blues to yet another defeat.
Unsworth named a side mixed with youth and experience but one noticeably absent a striker in the starting XI. Ademola Lookman was, arguably, the most attack-minded of an XI that also included Aaron Lennon but Gylfi Sigurdsson was handed the striker's role, one he looked ill-equipped to fulfil.
Nikola Vlasic, seemingly overlooked at the weekend, was on the bench alongside Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Kevin Mirallas while Sandro Ramirez, another potential option to play up front was once again ignored. Cuco Martina deputised at left back again in the absence of Leighton Baines who didn't travel while Mason Holgate partnered captain Ashley Williams at centre-half.
Martina picked up an early booking for dragging Cornet down as Lyon began probing down the flanks but the Blues also started to settle, with Lookman in particular looking lively. The teenager was constantly looking to drive the team forward but a lack of support would be a regular feature of Everton's game.
Nevertheless, good control by Lennon in the 17th minute gave Sigurdsson a half chance but his shot was charged down.
The best chance thus far fell the home side's way in the 23rd minute when a dangerous cross found Bertrand Traore whose flicked header was well saved by Pickford and the rebound was fizzed across goal by Mendy.
Lyon kept the pressure up, with Rafael in particular causing problems down the flank and one of his crosses was fired over the bar from a central position.
Lennon's foul on Fekir set Depay up for a direct free-kick attempt from 25 yards but Pickford was equal to it, pushing the ball over his goal. An awkward fall for Martina in aftermath left him down and needing treatment, however, and he had to eventually be stretchered off with a neck brace to be replaced by Muhamed Besic.
Marcelo out-muscled Holgate to meet a corner just before the 45 minutes were up but his header glanced wide before seven additional minutes of stoppage time were indicated by the fourth official. Traore tested Pickford again with a strong drive but the 'keeper parried it away as Everton finished the first period penned into their own half.
Unsworth's team came out from the break immediately on the front foot, though, and had a great chance when Lennon cut the ball back for Gueye but he couldn't beat the keeper or the defender on the line. It was a golden opportunity that might have been rewarded with a surer finish from the Senegalese midfielder.
Pickford made another low save and Fekir went down in the area a few minutes later but his appeals for a free kick were waved away by the referee.
More great work by Lookman set up another goos chance just before the hour mark. He drove to the byline but Sigurdsson couldn't flick home at the near post.
Unsworth's second change in personnel was by choice, with Calvert-Lewin coming on for Gueye while Fekir came off for Lyon with Aouar being introduced. At that point, with the Blues not only holding their own but looking the more threatening, there was a sense that perhaps they could sneak a victory now that a recognised striker was on the pitch.
As if to emphasise the notion, Sigurdsson bounced a good shot inches wide from the edge of the box but seconds later it was 1-0 to Lyon. Schneiderlin missed a sliding tackle in front of the back four and Traore seized on a fortunate ricochet, driving wide of Pickford to slot home with 68 minutes gone.
Substitute Mariano Diaz flashed a shot narrowly wide just afterwards but it was only another few minutes when Depay picked up a rebound from Pickford's save and he passed to Aouar who slotted into the far corner to make it 2-0.
Sigurdsson whipped a dangerous free kick that just missed the far post and two Blues players couldn't add a touch to guide it over the line at the other end before Schneiderlin's lack of discipline earned him an early bath.
The Frenchman, already on a yellow card for dissent, received his marching orders for a late and unnecessarily foul, realistically ending any hope of an unlikely comeback from the away side.
Depay increased the misery three minutes from time when he headed powerfully past Pickford and that was the final nail in Everton's Europa League coffin.
Three successive defeats under the caretaker manager can be added to the two suffered before that under Ronald Koeman to round out a miserable sequence of results that dramatically underscore the problems afflicting the team.
Focus now shifts to the Premier League and the visit on Sunday of Watford, a fixture that takes on enormous importance, not only for Unsworth's hopes of earning the manager's role full-time but for Everton and the players' confidence.
Kick-off: 6pm, Thursday, 2 November 2017
Lyon: Lopes, Mendy, Diakhaby, Marcelo, Rafael [Y:78'], N'Dombele (77' Ferri), Tousart, Memphis, Fekir (62' Aouar [Y:85'], Cornet; Traore (70' Mariano).
Subs: Morel, Marçal, Tete, Gorgelin.
Everton: Pickford, Kenny, Holgate, Williams, Martina [Y:7'] (42' Besic), Schneiderlin [Y:57';YR:80'], Baningime, Gueye (61' Calvert-Lewin), Lennon (71' Vlasic), Sigurdsson, Lookman.
Subs not used: Robles, Feeney, Klaassen, Mirallas.
Referee: Orel Grinfeld
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1 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:09:51
2 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:11:05
3 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:12:37
I can understand resting DCL but surely Kev would have been worth a go as the main striker?
And why no Vlasic?
This is the strangest selection I can recall for a very long time - hopefully it is a masterful plan and will work.
4 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:13:00
5 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:13:24
6 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:15:41
7 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:16:24
8 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:16:54
9 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:18:19
Hope we win though and Im proved wrong.
10 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:18:50
11 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:22:36
12 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:25:51
Love to see them win and remaining hopeful. COYB
13 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:26:23
14 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:29:45
15 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:32:02
16 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:32:44
I wanted Unsworth to be given a go at the job simply because he's worked with the kids, but he's just carried on from where Koeman left off imo.
people are worried, I can understand why, but you don't build a football teams confidence by chopping and changing, and it seems to me that Unsworth might be more of a coach than a manager?
17 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:41:47
And yet he has not put the same team out on the pitch as Koeman did. So what are you complaining about?
18 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:42:18
19 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:42:57
20 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:42:58
21 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:44:44
22 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:45:43
23 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:46:13
24 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:46:25
25 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:48:22
26 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:50:26
27 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:53:35
28 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:54:03
29 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:55:25
30 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:56:08
All efforts have gone into Sundays game already. Orders from up top. Surely?
31 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:57:51
32 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:58:03
33 Posted 02/11/2017 at 17:59:13
This Lyon side look very susceptible from crosses and set plays so let's hope there's something there for us. (I won't go into what we're susceptible to as I'd be here all night!)
34 Posted 02/11/2017 at 18:00:10
35 Posted 02/11/2017 at 18:01:55
37 Posted 02/11/2017 at 18:07:00
Let's see how it goes before we condemn...
38 Posted 02/11/2017 at 18:17:50
39 Posted 02/11/2017 at 18:29:43
40 Posted 02/11/2017 at 18:43:52
41 Posted 02/11/2017 at 18:48:34
42 Posted 02/11/2017 at 18:52:18
Football is about continuity, not changing the personnel and the formation every week. Not Unsworth's fault, but this team shows you how much real planning went into our summer recruitment policy.
Siggy upfront is crazy, he's getting treated like a young kid with no-one seeming to know his best position, and not like a fucking record signing. This is nowhere near the worst squad we have ever had, but it's a long time since I've seen a squad so badly managed?
43 Posted 02/11/2017 at 18:57:13
44 Posted 02/11/2017 at 18:59:02
Also hoping that DU makes a change at half time, we are being overrun and although 0-0 is not a bad score line I cant see it staying that way.
45 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:06:37
46 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:07:27
A centre midfielder up front.
Another centre mid at right back.
A right back at left back.
47 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:07:44
48 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:11:04
Great to have two wingers, but who will be in the middle when the ball comes in. Only forward thinking midfielder is Sigurdsson and he is too slow to run beyond anyone.
Guess it looks like damage limitations. Hope for a draw then at least Unsworth wont have three straight losses on his CV.
Sad that we are running scared in a game which doesnt really matter.
No center forward, no tactics, no ideas and no balls.
Sums Unsworth up completely.
49 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:36:30
50 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:37:54
51 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:38:13
52 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:43:54
53 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:45:35
54 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:48:36
55 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:49:56
56 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:50:19
57 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:52:38
58 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:52:40
59 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:52:52
60 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:54:21
61 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:54:52
62 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:55:29
63 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:55:32
64 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:56:25
If we'd gone full strength Unsworth would have been slated for it.
65 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:57:48
66 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:57:56
It was a joint failure, and someone needs to take names, take charge and fucking get a grip of the shambles we find ourselves engulfed in.
67 Posted 02/11/2017 at 19:59:39
68 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:00:24
69 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:00:39
70 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:01:05
71 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:01:21
Mind you he's not too bothered by anything.
I never understood the reviews he got last year. Complete waste of space.
72 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:03:04
73 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:03:50
74 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:03:52
75 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:04:57
76 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:05:13
and explain how they fucked up and turned Everton
into a laughing stock and a bunch of loses.
We deserve the truth. The buck stops with them.
77 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:05:38
Which was quite obvious by who he left back.
78 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:05:58
79 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:06:52
We are in deep deep shit.
80 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:08:24
I cannot fathom why, based upon a very good second half at Chelsea, he didnt stick with the same team against Leicester and Lyon. We may still have lost both games but surely consistency is the key for the mess we are in.
I really want DU to do well but I simply cant get my head around his approach to the Leicester and Lyon games. It may well be that the board had already made their mind up about the next manager before tonight or Leicester for that matter and DU knows it.
Very difficult to take at the moment. The game on Sunday is like a cup final now - we simply have to win.
81 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:08:39
82 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:09:14
Everyone should be focused on one thing and one thing alone, PL survival.
The only game of any interest should be Watford on Sunday, Everything should be geared up to getting a result even if we defend for 89 minutes and snatch a last minute winner. The only thing of interest is getting points fuck how we do it.
83 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:09:38
Bring on January... It's going to have to be a massive month for transfers. In coming, out going... No Mercy!
Get a talented, winner, respected visionary of a manager in, (not some 3 year fucked up project) splash the cash and get us the fuck out of this mess!
85 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:10:56
86 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:10:58
A long, long way to to go but it's lovely to watch now.
87 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:12:35
89 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:13:03
I live in hope that we win on Sunday and make tonights miserable showing worthwhile.
90 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:13:29
The problem is we're not that good. The attitude was there, the work ethic was there, the effort, the spirit - but quality? Very very little. It's a second choice eleven, yeah sure. One clean sheet in sixteen, five straight losses, one win in league and Europe since August, held scoreless in half our league games...the list could go on. I can't.
91 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:13:47
92 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:14:51
I say I hope (it wont happen) we stick with Unsy til Xmas. Devil and deep blue sea scenario, folks.
93 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:15:11
94 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:16:26
Ranting at Unsworth is akin to phoning a BT customer service operator to blame them for your WIFI being slow,
Its not his fault. He is also not the answer.
95 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:17:50
He wouldn't get a game in any top 8 team
I'm sick of people bigging up our players new young or old ! We need a massive clear out from top to bottom as our entire squad is clearly championship material a best!
Sick of this poison running through the club
Sick of it all - depressing
96 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:18:02
What would a manager of Kendall's standing done with such funds?
Btw, Houdini wouldn't be able to do anything with the mess Koeman has left behind, so, it's unfair to criticise Unsworth for the mess we're in.
koeman should NOT be paid a penny in compensation for his sacking because of his dereliction of duty.
97 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:19:04
Correct. All that counts is Sunday. After that, the board must review our situation and make a decision. If we win, Unsie has a chance of being appointed. Failure to win will mean that we need to get someone in ASAP in the international break.
Im going to nail my colours to the wall. I hope we win on Sunday and Unsie gets the job. We have had 3 tough away games, and there have been some positive signs. Theres no denying we need a clear out though. Schneiderlin needs dropping for starters. And we need some new blood up front.
98 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:19:46
build the future around these lads.
The other so called "senior" pros with exeption of Coleman and Bolasie, are past it and want shipping out.
The new boss has incredibly difficult decisions to make.
Someone like Gus Hiddink who has time for slackers, big time Charlies or peoples reputations, would sort it all out
99 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:20:24
He should be sued for the wages back.
100 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:20:45
If Moyes comes back (sacked 3 times no one else wants him) I shall end my 42 year support.
101 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:21:35
102 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:22:45
Letting Lukaku leave was the biggest fuck up in the club's history plus it showed us all what we are really all about. Once Utd made noises on the Friday
Lukaku was packed up on gone on the Monday.That set the tone for the season. Small time club gets its bellied tickled again and under paid for it star player. Kenwright couldn't wait to let Utd have Romalu.Why not hold on until deadline day or until we had signed 2 more strikers? Keep the fucker until January if need be.
I still can't believe the way we conducted ourselves in the pre season. Now we are seeing the fruits of our Chairman's handy work. Please No one say Moshiri will step in and save us. Let's not forget Lukaku being allowed to leave like he did was on Moshiris watch.. Imagine Abramovich getting his arse smacked like that. Some big time Billionaire business man we've got at our club Didn't take BK to reduce Farhad to a Gobshite did it
..Fucking joke of a club our fans who went to France tonight deserve better than what they got out there.
104 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:24:29
105 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:26:32
Randy realised eventually they were fleecing him and turned the tap off. Had the last laugh too really. Villa are sunk like a stone
I think Mosh is being royally pick pocketed And once he works that out all bets are off .
107 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:28:34
108 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:28:49
A manager who has won trophy's attracts players who want to win trophy's as well, every game the team changes with some of the weirdest formations, its like someone at the club has decided to play every player out of position until they lose all confidence, christ Sandro and Rooney played one half of football together up front and Sandro set up rooney for a goal and looked good. Never played again together and really, Lennon over Vlasic? Schneiderlin should never be picked as a first team player he cant pass under the slightest bit of pressure Baningime has shown he can.
109 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:28:51
I can't think of a manager who has done a worse job, either inside or outside our club. Well take years to recover from that clown.
110 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:29:59
111 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:31:18
112 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:32:19
113 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:33:39
Although his run of games has consisted of tough away matches, it's beginning to look like the job is drifting away from Unsworth now. However, I can't believe that some on here are calling for Big Sam. Are you serious? Big Sam at Everton?
114 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:33:42
115 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:33:44
Tonight was the latest result.
116 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:34:30
The games Unsworth has had, none of them were easy, but I'll keep saying the same things, because the only thing missing from any Everton line-up at the minute is repetition.
The longer this goes on, the worse the confidence will become, I've already had half a dozen texts off a couple of red nose bastards, and feel totally underwhelmed by Unsworth, who keeps trying different things, like he's auditioning for the fucking X-FACTOR, instead of trying to manage a fucking football team.
I know it's not easy, because if it was then we would all be doing it. The chips are down, we aren't getting the rub of the green, but if it's true you make your own luck, then the quicker we can instill some real professionalism into the squad, then the quicker we will become a team again.
We have been getting badly mismanaged, and when that's the case, most players will usually adopt an "it's not really my fault attitude". We need to pick our best eleven players now, and get them going right back to the basics.
Stay calm because we still have enough good players in the squad, but we just need someone to fucking manage us properly?
117 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:35:02
Can't score Can't defend
I suspect that it will be exactly the same on Sunday .
118 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:35:16
Beginning to think we are just stupid supporting a club that cannot do well anymore as the whole thing is just a set up.
119 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:35:19
BK et al could have stood firm over Lukaku and said "yer goin' nowhere, sunshine" but maybe they thought they were on to something selling him and using the money to keep the Premier League cash cow fatted.
Now they know we are headed for the drop. I can see them having no choice but to manage risk and appoint the relegation-avodiance specialist that is Big Sam.
In other words, now is not the time to fixate on our increasingly ironic club motto and other tripe about schools of science.
120 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:35:39
121 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:35:56
122 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:36:06
He must have at least a small idea of what formation he wants to play and then as said before he needs to stick to it and get the players use to it.
The quicker we get someone in who is his own man and knows what hes doing the better.
123 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:36:22
I feel your pain brother.I hate the thought of Moyes etc coming her but this is serious now and needs s specialist quick fix. Winston Wolf style.
I'm afraid only guy who fits the bill and will come is Allardyce..
BK has brought us to our knees.We need picking up ASAP..As much as it hurts it has to be done.Nit fucking Moyes though.or we will definitely go down.
124 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:37:58
125 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:40:29
Best fighting trousers on, lads, because we're on a war footing now!
126 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:40:46
Prepare to walk away because its going to be Dyche or Big Sam.
Gus Hiddink was mentioned today. I think he'd be the most exciting interim manager we could get right now. The guy's 70 though. I'd be worried about his health trying to sort that shite out.
Btw, I think you're being very unfair on Sean Dyche. A good manager who is the type of guy we need right now. He's as good as it will get for a long term appointment right now. There's no way Silva will leave Watford, and he's the only other realistic contender. Maybe David Wagner, but would he leave Huddersfield for Everton mired at the bottom and risk ruining his reputation so early in his premier league career. Same as Silva. No, prepare yourself for Dyche or Big Sam.
127 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:41:33
The problem with that of course is if things do not work out we really will be in deep. Possibly too deep to salvage even with someone like Allardyce (god forbid).
I want DU to succeed as much as anyone, my biggest concern is timing, being prepared for the Jan transfer window and getting enough points between now and Christmas to get up the table.
128 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:42:02
Last season we had a half decent side for sure. We finished 7th with ease. There was a solid enough back 4, but things were less assured once Funes got injured. Koeman knew we had old defenders but he let Oveido go to Sunderland last January and then didn't buy a replacement in the summer, what's worse was that he let Galloway go on loan and didn't register Garbutt.
The midfield was working well as a trio - Schneiderlin, Davies and Gueye. But he dropped Davies and brought in Klaassen messing about with what worked and changing from stability and players who pressed.
The front three were Lukaku, Mirallas and Barkley. forget unlucky with Barkley's injury Koeman was driving him out. He also forced Mirallas out the side and sold Lukaku. So he got rid of our front three.
He should have been looking to replace Lukaku. He should have kept the make-up of the team, the structure the approach, the way the team plays exactly the same, but he changed everything. He then signed Rooney, knew he was coming for ages, we all did. But then he insisted on Sigurdsson too. And that was after we signed Klaassen. This is where it all went wrong. Up to Sigurdsson signing it was all looking good. But it was looking good on the basis that we would sign a striker.
Giroud didn't come. Koeman had him in the building he said, but that was not deadline day, that was three weeks before deadline day. Walsh was out trying to get others but Koeman turned them down. Not good enough he said. Maybe he was right, but the end result is what we have now.
This is not Walsh's fault. Read what he has said, when Koeman was here, he had to CONVINCE Koeman to sign players. Koeman had the last word. What did Koeman say after the cockup? He said he would leave it to Walsh in JANUARY, as it would be mid-season and he would need focus on the side. They are both telling you whose fault this all is, Ronald Koeman.
Koeman neglected to sign a striker. Walsh had a list, he lined people up, Koeman said no. Koeman changed everything about the side. Koeman was talking about Lukaku being too good for Everton in the press. Koeman was driving Barkley out. It was mistake after mistake from Koeman.
He had had steady progress in that first season, after a poor run up until Jnauary and then he had turned it around. But Barkley was at the fore. But where was his driving force going to be this season? Sigurdsson? He looks incapable of driving a team forwards. He dropped Davies, and he cost the midfield it's energy.
Koeman has fucked us up big time. And you can blame the board for appointing him, but how can you blame the board for the transfers? What they meant to do, not trust him? If they signed a striker and he didn't authorise it, he'd resign, claim breach of contract and get the contract paid in full. And you know he would have done it. Were they meant to sack him with barely a ball kicked, bearing in mind we were limping along before the window shut in midtable and progressing in the EL cup?
It's all well and good trying to make the board a scapegoat here, but they appointed the man they thought was capable. They made him the SEVENTH highest paid manager in WORLD SPORTS and they backed him in the market. £200m + spent on transfer fees alone. You can add another 20% of that in agents fees at least. You can add in more agents fees for failed deals.
The club is in a mess, but it is in a mess because it trusted the Dutchman. How does it prevent this again? You increase the powers of the Director of Football, you make it so that he signs players, even if the manager says no. So that when we fail with Giroud, and if Bas Dost (god forbid) is all we can get, then we still get him. The Director of Football should also have refused to sanction the Sigurdsson deal on the basis of having two number 10s already, and needing a striker. no one else was in for him. We could have got him for much less in deadline day, if we still had money left.
Want a scape goat? It's Ronald Koeman.
129 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:42:51
After the Watford game is another matter. We have to get points on the board from this game.
It doesn't matter who comes in we need a guy who knows what's going on and has been in this situation before. Getting another "named" manager in the state we're in will definitely see us down, no doubts.
130 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:45:24
I can not see the January window saving us. We are going to be praying on other team results all season I reckon.
131 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:46:14
Who gives a fig about who is to blame. It's done. What do we do about it now? How do we agitate for the changes necessary?
The blame game is pointless pal. We actually need to start playing survival football.
132 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:46:40
I can imagine a few potential managers blocking Moshiri's number in the next few days and weeks as nobody will want the job, apart from fall guy Unsworth and a greedy Fat Sam (who will smell the opportunity to enhance his bank balance and will be in a position to extract every penny out of the useless people who run the club and that includes Mr Moshiri.)
What other club in world football would try to compete in one of the most competitive league's without a striker?
What other club would spend so much money without seeing a return of any description out on the pitch?
Are there people at the club who are responsible for this mess and does it suit their agenda?
Will we hear any news on the potential stadium save soundbites from ITK people on here and Mayor Anderson?
Those ITK people who post on this site can they please give details of their knowledge about the stadium's progress?
It's going to be a bitter winter, but we are where we are and can but hope that something changes for the better and soon.
133 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:47:13
134 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:47:42
136 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:49:43
Not having a go , serious question.
137 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:49:52
I'd stick with Unsy though. Now's not the time to panic, didn't see the game but by all accounts it was a lot better, it's just that horrible collapse in the final 20 that needs addressing.
Last word on Lukaku: that looks like a gentleman's agreement all day long. When RK came to the club, he obviously promised him CL football, in a 'stick with me for a season and if nothing happens you can leave' sort of thing, or Koeman just didn't fancy him-as he scores goals and does very little else.
But it's the crocks at the back that worry me more than not replacing Lukaku-that's where the money should be spent.
138 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:51:16
If BK truly is this Amazing Evertonian and loves the club he owns how come he let a cowboy like Koeman destroy his beloved Everton when all of us could see it going tits up? I would definitely of told Swansea to fuck off over Siggurdson..player we didn't need getting financially raped for.
139 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:51:40
Even better my team would be Pickford, Kenny, Keane, Keane, Kenny, Lookman, Lookman, Lookman, Lookman, Lookman, Lookman.
Would have the opposition running round in circles.
140 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:52:43
do with bulging brown paper envelopes.
141 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:53:07
Mosh is getting fleeced, by some old hands at doing it.
142 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:53:41
144 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:54:16
145 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:54:25
The first fix of sorting any team out is keeping it tight at the back and scraping the odd goal and win here and there, exactly what we need and what Allardyce does.
Get him in on a contract heavy on bonuses and start again next summer. This season is a write off so we may as well get short term fix and approach the whole scenario again next time round.
2017/2018 is a season to forget.
146 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:56:45
I didn't initially want Unsworth as our next manager, but with the names currently linked to us he is my preferred candidate, and please not Big Sam in any circumstance.
My feeling is that those in power will leave Unsworth in charge until the transfer window opens and then appoint a saviour specialist. This is because we do not have a target man up top to hoof it to and this is how the names linked to us like to play. If any new manager loses a few games before they can bring their own players into the squad, my opinion is that the crowd will quickly turn on them and Kenwright and Moshiri will have another decision to make to appease the Goodison faithful.
147 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:57:05
148 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:57:40
149 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:58:04
150 Posted 02/11/2017 at 20:58:26
We lost the shape when he sent DCL on and Sigurdsson moved backwards.
151 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:00:31
Definitely stinks to high heaven that deal.I wonder how and when Big Ron gets his cut. Believe me this sort of thing goes on.
152 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:00:42
153 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:01:24
One clean sheet in sixteen. Sixteen!
154 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:01:47
If I was Unsy Id give Kenwright the keys to the office back and tell him to take control. He is Mr Everton after all.
155 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:03:18
Also, an interesting point you made, is that Koeman overruled all the recommendations put forward by Walsh; which, would explain why he is still at the club.
Koeman has been found out as a person and a manager at Everton. I don't see him getting another job in football anytime soon.
156 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:03:35
Tonight I finally saw some shape to the team, not enough, but some structure to the play. I also saw more fight and spirit in the players, and a manager on the touchline coaching and yelling at his players, not sitting slumped in the dugout.
157 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:05:00
158 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:05:30
Where are the clean sheets to keep us up?
I fear for my club
159 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:05:59
"Cruijff declared in his weekly column for De Telegraaf that Klaassen can be compared with Xavi and Toni Kroos in terms of how comfortable they are on the ball and suggested that Klaassen – once a support striker and used as centre forward for the Dutch U21s – be used as a ‘controlling midfielder deepest among the trio for Ajax. Cruijff noted that, with Klaassens ability to retain the ball and great passing, the speed of Ajaxs game would be largely increased. However, De Boers opinion is that he has more qualities and depth to add and they would be curtailed in a deeper position. He has a great – previously mentioned – awareness of goal and offers a threat in attack. He is best suited to the role he already plays in and could truly flourish in a time where a ‘complete player is absolutely precious, especially for a team such as Ajax."
Klaassen is a bad fit for this team who do not utilise his sublime skills as a one touch footballer. We play to his weaknesses and none of his strengths. How did Koeman not see it?
160 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:07:50
161 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:08:48
If he were to do this now we may have 2 better prepared players available sometime from Jan onwards.
Incidentally on the subject of Lukaku, I see Mourinho had asked the United supporters to show him more love
162 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:10:27
Thought Kenny played well on both flanks.
Bring on Watford
Can't believe this could be a pivotal game for us but we need something to build morale and we don't need Fat Sam.
Hiddink might be worth a punt
163 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:10:33
But at the present time we need to stop shipping goals first and foremost.
164 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:10:35
It might cost us a few fellow blues for a while but they will be back when they realise he has taught these players what it's all about.
165 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:14:00
Benni B looks good and done well and I hope him and Lookman get more chances.
Now I sense it will be th SS in charge, in the near future - Big Sam and Little Sam. How only EFC could enact this farce.. Its an air of despondency and Sunday is massive.
The club is in a mess and will we recover from this abyss? For me the worst season by far so far in my lifetime based on the wasted money and VIP transfer strategy and so for me SW should also walk th walk to the job centre, as we are devoid of any real hope of improving. But we can't give up so we live in hope.
Now to drown the woes.
167 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:15:21
Please please please don't come on and say he was saving his best team for Sunday !.
168 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:16:59
His hiding and lack of stamina and guile can't be sustained any more.
169 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:17:21
170 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:19:13
the player who BK refers to was Dave Hickson not Higson.
How does the song go " if you know your history"
172 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:20:38
We have the money to buy key players.
We have the money to find the right manager.
We have the time to bring him in.
We have 7 months to fix this and survive.
Short of 2 pacy goalscoring forwards and a left-back in January we also have Coleman, Bolasie and Barkley to come back.
All is not lost. We CAN survive this!!!
Chelsea, Leicester (away) and Lyon have all been formidable champions over the years. Did we really believe that in our current state of mind that we were going to beat them!?
I believe we could entice Carlo Ancelotti or someone of his calibre to the club in the short term. Money, a challenge and the Premier League talks. Fuck Moyes, dyche and allardyce. Not worthy!
Long term, scout the planet for a number 2 at a world renowned, successful club. A manager who is ready, wants to define his own legacy and who has been around the block with the best for many a number of years. A student of the game... Someone a hell of a lot more seasoned than Giggs!
He would be hungry, fresh, inexpensive, loyal and determined to put his own stamp on his vision for the club, and will be prepared to sacrifice anyone who doesn't live up to the standard of a Champions League competing mentality, because that is all he would have known.
We can buy young up and coming players from Barcelona but we can't sign a rising talented manager who wants to prove his worth in the best league in the world!? I don't believe that.
Right now and for the future we need to have a little realistic patience.
We will survive.
173 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:22:14
We signed Vlasic, we played him wide, then after pushing him inside against Brighton, Koeman, thought he might be a better bet playing there. Not enough thought as gone into anything at Everton this summer, and we are really suffering the consequences because of it.
174 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:22:28
He has in my eyes, done that in virtually every game he has played, what a waste of money, a ball watcher, and an over-rated player, not to mention, his propensity for picking cards up.
Alas, he is not alone either, there are a few who have cost a lot, and give us less.
The only positive from tonight, that in Benni, we have a great young lad there and definitely my Mom. Having said that, I still believe we do have some decent players to build on for the future, but there are some like Schneids who should be ushered out as soon as possible.
175 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:23:18
176 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:26:27
177 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:26:35
because there were no fucking goals.
178 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:26:37
On Lukaku, I bet some of his haters on this forum would show him some love if he could come back for the rest of the season.All the shit about his lack of effort means fuck all when the team can't buy a goal.
179 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:27:04
In my 65 years of active support it is hard to recall such a spectacular decline in so short a time. Only in football can people responsible for this, walk away without a care in the world other than to ensure that their millions are properly secured in their accounts. They should be prosecuted for dereliction of responsibilities.
People elsewhere have spoken about wanting a manager to be installed in order to get us to 7th or 8th! If only managers had magic wands! The next management team have one objective in mind this season. To get us to 7th or 8th from bottom would be one hell of an achievement in light of the current situation.
One final reality check. Having watched the speed, creativity, cohesion, skill levels, sheer exhilarating football shown by City and Spurs shows just how dire the current malaise is, and how we are light years away from getting anywhere near such a level of performance. Deeply sad though it is to admit this.
Then to see their respective managers and their obvious in depth knowledge, insights, etc as to how the game should be played adds to our woes. With the greatest respect to David Unaworth and his success with his Under 23's we have basically a reserve team manager, and a coaching team with such limited experience, and I think, no success at any level whatsoever to speak of.
The situation is dire, forget everything else, including the FA cup. Whoever is appointed must be someone who can grip these overpaid charlatans and demand some professional responsibility from them. It is their job to get this club out of the mess and they need to be driven to recognise it, apply themselves, and get their act together. It is a disgrace in every area of the club. We can only hope we can get to 40+ points somewhere along the way but my heart is genuinely fearing the worst such is the almost complete lack of evidence for the team having the resources to prove otherwise.
180 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:29:37
181 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:32:27
Another fraud in a fraudulent regime.
182 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:33:14
183 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:34:16
40 years later, it won't click, will it? It's just a load of a old bollocks. Kids, big money corner takers and piss heads on £150k a week.
We deserve the championship.
184 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:36:06
185 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:37:15
For an hour, we had a good defensive shape, but if you play the game in your own half, you're a mistake/bad break of the ball away from conceding and that's what happened tonight.
Whoever the manager us needs to decide on his team and stick with it for some continuity.
187 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:40:05
'You are only ever one bad manager away from disaster !'
How right he was .
188 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:40:45
189 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:41:54
190 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:42:10
Put Joe Royle in charge and we will beat Watford.
191 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:44:25
192 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:44:51
People like you make me laugh. Banging on about how we should get the best and look at top 6. Unless you hadn't noticed, we are shite, and can't buy a point. You think Sunderland last year said after the first few games, I know, let's get a world class manager and push for top 6?
Most of you on here seem to think we are still the force we were in the 80s. Wake up. We we are mid table mediocrity at best. We have no divine rite to get the best and finish in the top 4, just because we won a few things 30 years ago.
We are fighting for survival. Accept it
193 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:45:18
We have had two on the trot, following a safe but boring mediocre one!
194 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:46:09
195 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:46:11
They rode their luck for 45mins granted. First 15 of the 2nd half almost got the goal we craved.
A mistake, then the collapse then the usual stupidity from a player who knows better.
In all three games I've seen a plan, I've seen mistakes, and most importantly Ive seen Unsworth learn.
The steps have been baby ones, but through the carnage I can see it. Thats 10 times more than under Koeman.
Question is under the firefighter we might appoint surely it would take just as long? That would be with little goodwill too.
Couple of notes on players. Pickford needs to chill out, his desire to affect the games makes him err in decision making. Best keepers are calm keepers!
Lookman did okay, best moments came from him. Still looks like the weight of the world is on his shoulders but decent I thought.
Sigurdssons quality starting to show. Some very good free kicks tonight.
196 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:46:37
We are in a relegation fight so 'promising' performances and showing heart and effort but still losing is a total waste of time. Equals going down.
Team selection changes game to game, we cannot predict the team so god knows what the players think they should be doing or what system we are suppose toi play.
Whoever the manager is going to be he needs to take stock of the dross we employ as players, find a system that he thinks they can play to and then select the team and drill them to play to this system. At present we appear to be moving players about, changing the line up every game and hoping we stumble onto something. That's not managing, its guessing and wishing something may click .
Big Sam is not the manager I would want at Everton, I thought we would be above his ilk, however our form, situation and predicament leads me to believe that unfortunately a manager such as him maybe our best hope.
Whatever the board decide to do, it needs to be decided by early next week after the Watford game. At the moment I havent a clue how we will line up on Sunday or the system we will try to play so god only knows what the players must think.
197 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:47:56
I can take the stick of red noses, some make me laugh, but most of them I laugh at, because I've never met such a phoney bunch in all my life. A true red has just died, he seemed like a good man, a character who loved his club, he used to give every new manager a silver salver wishing them luck, from him and his long time match partner, who was deceased. Klopp said he treasures that salver as much as anything he's ever won in football?
I know this might upset some people, but only a fucking phoney could come out with something like that, even if it's possible the man was just trying to be nice. That title I won for 80,000 Dortmund fans, didn't mean any more than the silver salver I got off a fan when I joined Liverpool?
They call us bitter, because they don't like to acknowledge are honesty!
198 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:52:39
199 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:53:13
"In March 2014, Allardyces West Ham were fighting to avoid relegation so you would think beating Hull City, albeit a 10-man Hull City, 2-1 at Upton Park would have been a source of jubilation for the supporters. Not so. The performance was so dire, so guileless, that the players were booed from the field at half-time, despite being 1-0 up, and at full-time, despite winning".
Is this what we want to see at Everton?
I think not.
201 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:54:25
The January transfer window is not our saviour, we could conceivably be adrift by then, who'd want to come? Discount the injured players, they are long term.
The real problem for me tonight was the lack of anyone really seeming to care, get angry, berate players. I watched Martina lay on the floor for 7 minutes and cannot recall one Everton player coming over to see if he was okay. That is absolutely unbelievable, it really really is unbelievable. Schneiderlin didn't look bothered about getting sent off and far too many of our players are spineless, with no passion, desire or drive. How this drivel that has been served up lately can be in the name of Everton football club I know not.
I don't blame Unsworth one iota for this either. Over-paid, bloated egotistic mercenaries seem to have suddenly infected our club and tonight I was saddened, not angry.
202 Posted 02/11/2017 at 21:59:51
203 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:01:19
I don't know if I am right or wrong, but that is how the game left me feeling! I have been very wrong about several things this season! But yes, he was surrounded by Lyon players, not an Everton player in sight!
204 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:01:30
205 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:01:42
I really don't know what the answer is, I wish I did, but at least there is something to salvage from the wreckage.
Yes, I do believe we have some decent players, and possibly more young potential to build on, obviously need a few more come January to stem the ebbing tide.
The good thing with an ebbing tide, it can only go so far, then comes back in again.
206 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:02:52
We must play our only 2 scorers on Sunday. Niasse up top with Rooney behind him.
Sigurdson looks like hes got a goal in him so he must play too.
207 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:02:52
Did Allerdyce bring West Ham up from the Championship the year before? I think he wants the job because he believes he can do something at Everton, but maybe I'm being naive, because the way he behaved after getting the job of his dreams, maybe showed us a lot more about the man?
208 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:03:14
209 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:06:38
I echo your sentiments.
This is the reality and many need to wake up fast.
210 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:07:03
I noticed Unsworth didn't even look at him on his way off.
Shouldn't be near the first team.
212 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:09:27
213 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:10:44
The biggest worry then is that they (the players) are just not good enough.
214 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:17:11
215 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:17:26
216 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:18:36
217 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:20:12
There's no point telling them, of course.
219 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:21:49
Im hoping McCarthey is fit again soon! Along with Barkley!
Need to set a team up soon and stick with it !! Were all focussing on the lack of striker and goal threat but Im more concerned with our complete inability to keep clean sheets ! If we could sort this out then at least wed have a chance of grinding out wins?! Schneiderlin's Offering nothing towards this !!
220 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:22:47
221 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:24:58
I believe the players are good enough, but not playing as a team.
I am really at a loss as to where we go from here. Ive been through the highs and lows since 1964, but cannot remember a period where we seem totally rudderless.
If Sam does come, how long will he stay?
222 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:25:12
223 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:25:47
That leaves Dyche or Wagner if they'd come. They may value their reputation too much to risk it with the dross that Koeman has assembled. This unbalanced squad of old men and inexperienced kids has not the expertise or the nous to take on a relegation battle.
This is as bad an Everton squad as I can remember and I go back to 53-4 season.
224 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:26:33
Hope Unsworth can sort it out. He is our only chance. Can't have any confidence in the board to bring in a Manager, who won't do more damage.
225 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:29:26
He said after the Chelsea defeat he saw something he could work with but I fail to see what that is.
226 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:29:51
Watford will murder us. Only hope we have is if we score first (and in the first ten minutes) and really grind out a solid defensive performance.
If the bookies do a special on any EFC goalscorer at 25/1 or more I might have a dabble. If not BBC 4 it is.
227 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:30:32
I'm not even blaming him as he's been left a total shambles of a set up.
We need to wreck Watford coach at the service station this weekend to rattle them as we are fast running out of ideas.
228 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:31:11
229 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:35:23
230 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:40:07
He still had a better game than Schneiderlin!
231 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:45:51
232 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:47:23
There is a plethora of detritis to be segregated, evaluated, and disposed of, without any more detriment to the fans, who have had more than enough.
Trouble is, there is a considerable amount at Board level, and should the incumbent recognise this fact, he will be deemed an unsuitable candidate.
233 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:48:19
David Unsworth has had 3 difficult away games. He has been trying stuff, some of it good, some of it not so. Hes probably been trying too hard.
Given where we are, and the well recognised mess of signings, and lack of them, we are better off out of the Europa and League Cups. Thats not an easy thing to accept, but its our current reality. We have one concern until January which is accumulating Premiership points. The real business starts on Sunday. I am hoping that David Unsworth can at least buy us some time so we do not make an panic- based managerial appointment.
234 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:52:32
I sincerely hope that Unsy does not get the job as he cannot succeed and the crowd would want him out after a while. I would not like this to happen to a truly genuine bloke like him.
Never fear we will not go down
235 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:52:51
I really can't see how we a/ can keep a clean sheet. b/ win a midfield battle or. c/ score goals. No confidence, no plan and little commitment from seasoned pro's.
My starting 11 for the game.
Stevens, Ratcliffe, Labone, Kay.
Steven, Reid, Ball.
Thomas, Sharp, Young.
Oops!!! I've just turned into Bill "those were the days" Kenwright.
236 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:54:27
There's no point in pretending the city has two serious football clubs when clearly it only has one.
The final straw, parking the bus and still losing 0-3 in a Mickey Mouse tournament.
This clubs days of being a force are long gone never to return.
A laughing stock of the highest order.
Do us all a favour and end it now.
237 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:55:26
Well I tell you what, I bet these beauts would have him back in a flash now. Be careful what you wish for and all that.
238 Posted 02/11/2017 at 22:58:35
So we are likely to go down.
Would we prefer to go down trying to play our way out of trouble with a group of players who appear incapable of doing that. or stay up playing Allardyce ''take no prisoners ''type of football.
Choose the former, and you can feel good about staying true to the school of science and accept the club losing millions alternatively, go against all your previous views and give Allardyce a generous contract until the end of the season in the hope he can turn everything around.
Then bring in a new manager.
I hate advocating this approach but ,having watched the Blues since 1957, I am genuinely convinced we are likely to go down as things stand at the moment.
239 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:01:32
Kenny Keane Jags Baines
Davies Beni Gueye Vlasic
The only one who I would also consider is Lookman, who had a good game tonight. We need to get back to basics. We need dogs of war from now on.
240 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:02:13
I take on board your opinions about the changes to formation and personnel which have had a detrimental effect.
My concern though. There are too many instances of poor quality happening throughout the players.
Whether its a misplaced simple pass or not concentrating to track runners.
They are the basics expected and these lot cant cut it.
241 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:02:35
242 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:02:39
Unsworth is obviously not to blame for this mess, but neither should he have put his name forward for the job on a permanent basis. He's not on trial here, that is not the point. The point is getting the club out of trouble as soon as possible. Likewise, Sunday is not a trial or a test for Unsworth, it is a very important game for the club, an altogether different and much more serious matter.
I wish some people on here would put paid to their apparent obsession with seeing Unsworth appointed, and focus on the more important stuff. Get your priorites right, people!
243 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:03:01
The last twice that we have had dead rubber games in the Europa was against Bate Borisov (2009) and Krasnodor (2014) both attracted less than 20k, and that was when we had already qualified from the group !
244 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:04:21
Morgan was a disgrace - something seems to be going on with him- such poor form and two red cards for silly conduct.
For an hour Unsy seemed to have got it right, then a very lucky goal and we collapse down the middle.
Great that we are out of Europe so we can get ourselves safer in the league then hopefully ready for a crack at the Fa cup.
I thought Kenny and Beni were very good tonight- Jonjos best game yet!
Oh and why blame BK or the board- they gave Ron a huge sum of money to spend and either he or Walsh or both have cocked up big time. Not the fault of the board who put their faith in two professionals who most on here were excited about when they were appointed. The buck stops with Ron and/ or Walsh and the fact that one is still here points to the one who has gone as being the guy to blame.
Right decision to rest players for Sunday- a win will do wonders for the team and we were pretty much dead and buried in the Europa anyway!
245 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:05:53
The board and owner deserve the team they have because they thought that their manager was a genius when quite a few fans were in doubt about his talent and his commitment.
The fans who watch Everton deserve far better than the team they are watching or the bric-bats they take from others for airing their views on individuals or the team as a whole.
Man U fans are also being berated by Mourinho for not recognising Lukaku's value to the team, but that's football fans for you real beauts.
246 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:07:43
Lukaku hasnt scored in 6 at Man U.
And he wouldnt have made any difference if he had led our attack through this wretched spell.
Practically nothing is being created.
247 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:08:57
I think we must pick a man with a plan in mind and stick by him.
248 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:13:42
Hes become a fraud footballer and tonight he took the cowards route and let the team down. Theres no excuses, hes hiding on the pitch, but why was he picked?
In summary hes not good enough for Everton.
249 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:31:59
Im not dreadding any game at the moment. We dont have a team, that can defend, that can score goals at will, and believes in it self, and thats rank.
So it cant get any worse? Seriously this is the worst time in the last 60 years, since the last relegation, because, we need a team that believes it can win.
Killing all Evertonians, this seasons woes and sagas, its surreal but sums up this club, Kings Dock, Dunford, Greig and the rest, BK, why and why and more, is there more? (Blight)
A life time in The Abyss, by all Evertonians (1995-2017)
250 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:40:03
Relax. Who said anything about top 6?
You sound so panicked and shrill. Take some diazepam, read your post back at the end of the season when we have survived relegation (and we will)... Breath.
We have played some of the toughest matches of the season. Had one of the shittiest managers in our history and handed the job of survival to a novice. It has been hard.
However nothing at the club right now is beyond repair.
And don't say that Ancelotti or a like for like manager is to good for Everton. It is that defeatist attitude that is currently running through our dressing room.
You cannot compare us to Sunderland. They didn't have the quality in personnel, prestige, finance or management.
Our main problem is buying 1 or 2 quality strikers, organising the squad and remembering how to win.
We can and will win before January.
We can and will buy the players we need by January.
and we can and will install a manager before January who will keep us up.
That I believe is a reality.
251 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:43:25
252 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:43:27
Of course, if it is not accepted that we are seriously threatened by relegation (a great mistake in my view) then I see why Allardyce would be down the list. As it happens, I think he could do a lot more for us than just keep us in the PL but that will be enough for me.
253 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:49:23
Results collapse started with the Spurs game, our first after the window closed with no replacement for Rom & no left-sided central defender/full-back cover signed - any coincidence? We lost 3 straight games by a total of 0-10!!!
It's BK who finalised transfer dealings after Walsh & RK had done the spade-work. It's BK who was desperate do get the ale-house has-been back and caved in to MU's demand for Rom before their USA tour. Business-sense!!! Rom's replacements should have been signed before the disastrous Lukaku/Rooney deal.
It's down to BK we've got other hangers on like Ferguson, Ebbrell, Baxter & Jeffers - BK OUT & take them & Rooney with him - a 31-year old unfit has-been is our top-paid player!!! What did that do to dressing-room morale?
WE ARE IN DIRE TROUBLE & LIKELY TO BE RELEGATED - VERY LITTLE CAN BE DONE TO CHANGE THINGS ON THE PITCH SIGNIFICANTLYIN 2017 - IT MAY BE TOO LATE BY 2018
254 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:50:34
255 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:52:33
256 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:53:03
257 Posted 02/11/2017 at 23:57:21
1. Rooney - I believe his presence is toxic.
2. Baines - Retire
3. Martina - Free
4. Holgate - Chship
5. Jagielka - Free
6. Klaassen - Back to Ajax is nailed on
7. Gueye - Living off early promise - hes bang average and we should sell.
8. DCL – Will never make it at this level.
9. Niasse – Just no.
10. Mirallas - Turkey
11. McCarthy – Do the honourable thing and retire.
258 Posted 02/11/2017 at 00:07:37
The players do seem to understand the formation better under Unsworth. But your right that we are still fishing for the best combination.
Whether its 4-3-3, 4-1-2-1-2, 4-2-3-1 or 4-6-0. Weve had them all in the last 3 games with multiple changes to personnel.
Are we any closer to understanding what is the best fit?
259 Posted 02/11/2017 at 00:15:37
260 Posted 03/11/2017 at 00:19:35
261 Posted 03/11/2017 at 00:32:39
Why not get the players to play a set system in their right positions and any subs just fit into the same system when they come on,simple you would think.No not for Everton managers,lets do the opposite,lets play players all over the place and create more chaos !.
Get a manager who can do the basics and not overcomplicate the tactics ffs !.Also play the kids like Lookman Kenny and Bani every game,good or bad results as they are the future and get rid of schneiderlin gueye as one season wonders have been found out.
262 Posted 03/11/2017 at 00:44:49
From then on it was us chasing the game again, which we simply can't do without a centre forward. DCL tries hard but he's just not going to score a huge amount of goals as he doesn't have enough presence.
Sigurdsson worked hard up front too I thought.
I'm glad we're out of Europe - I wouldn't normally say that but given our current situation, I think it's for the best since we must stay in the PL. On that note, I also don't think we're in a relegation battle - yet.
Our form is so bad that we simply have to get a win soon. One win could really move us up the league, which will make all the players, and supporters feel a whole lot better.
The main thing the players need, apart from the obvious goals, is a clean sheet. Just one would be lovely.
263 Posted 03/11/2017 at 01:10:37
Unsy just isnt up to this task. One of my favourites from a lifetime ago. But this is such a pile of steaming crap that hes arrived at this point too soon and with too little quality in the squad to deliver for him.
The defence is an utter nightmare. Williams so poor at times its like a bad dream but then Jags, Holgate, Baines, Martina .they are in a terrible place right now.
Theres so much wrong but how can it have got this bad so quickly ?
264 Posted 03/11/2017 at 01:28:14
There's no doubt we're rotten. I'm hoping it won't spread to the core
265 Posted 03/11/2017 at 01:29:57
266 Posted 03/11/2017 at 01:47:49
267 Posted 03/11/2017 at 02:04:19
268 Posted 03/11/2017 at 02:12:17
We can't defend
We have NO strikers
We have old, slow defenders
We have no creativity in midfield
We have won just TWO games all season and were lucky in both
We have no manager
We are out of the League Cup
We are out of Europa League
We can't improve the squad for another 2 months
And yet some on here still believe we're not in a relegation battle!!
If we're not we're certainly doing pretty good impersonation of one!!!
269 Posted 03/11/2017 at 03:00:15
270 Posted 03/11/2017 at 03:04:55
271 Posted 03/11/2017 at 03:20:22
I am worried that he might walk after being relieved of the duty of the first team, and not going back to U23 at all.
272 Posted 03/11/2017 at 04:03:35
273 Posted 03/11/2017 at 04:21:47
I agree, I posted after the game that through the wreckage of the last three games Ive seen a plan, partly executed, littered with several mistakes but no less a pathway.
I think even under duress and a shattered squad, Unsworth has learnt and corrected himself, he hasnt to my eye made the same error twice.
Too loose against Leicester or hubris whichever, he tightened up.
Against Lyon he learnt and started off tight and unwound. Had we scored at the right moment; Gana & Sigurdsson then it would have helped.
Three very different games in three competitions I think despite the gloom Sunday will click. Not spectacularly but enough for us to see a clearer picture and the win.
Me, no rush to appoint despite the clamour for it. Keep Unsworth until Xmas and revaluate. The candidates available to us are underwhelming at best, beneath us at worst.
274 Posted 03/11/2017 at 04:33:39
In the transfer window, I would get rid of:
1. Schneiderin (a complete liability)
2. Klaassen (unfortunately, we don't have time to discover his skills)
3. McCarthy (because of his continuing injury issues)
4. Mirallas (flatters to deceive, does not have the stomach for a relegation fight, IMO)
5.Martina (not good enough)
6.Stekelenburg (see Martina)
And get only 2 high-quality players:
1. A LB to replace Baines (Luke Shaw)
2. A proven goal-scoring CF (Dzeko - break the bank if necessary)
Get Barkley fit and signed, Coleman, Bolasie and Funes-Mori fit, and we should be able to see out this season.
275 Posted 03/11/2017 at 04:38:15
276 Posted 03/11/2017 at 04:40:48
IT'S TIME FOR THE BANNERS.
(and IBefore Baningime gets sold to united)
277 Posted 03/11/2017 at 04:48:53
We were poor first half. We did quite well from 45 - 60 mins. The subs changed it and we collapsed, and some salutory lessons learned.
DCL cannot play upfront as his confidence has gone.
Williams has lost it. He was asleep on all 3 goals and simply can't be in the starting XI.
Schneids made a couple of good challenges but is far too immobile to play up the pitch, which he did when Gana went off.
Lookman on the right side is a diamond.
Lennon is getting back to a decent level.
Gueye missed a great chance but I thought alongside Beni he was good.
Beni was awesome.
Jonjoe is suffering from a lack of confidence.
Siggy worked very hard for the team but when he dropped deeper his decision making was poor and he was too slow on the ball.
We live in hope.
Jags, Baines and Rooney will carry a lot pf responsibility against Watford.
Unsy needs to trust Mirallas and keep on the pitch.
The formation before DCL came on was working just after half time; but replace Siggy with Rooney and Schneids with Davies.
The discipline and cohesion shown in that spell is what is needed for 90 minutes in every game.
That is what Unsy, or whoever takes over, must focus on.
We will not be relegated. The side has had 3 difficult away games and are dreadfully low on confidence.
A win against Watford plus the international break to work on formations could see an uptick.
Keep the faith, unlike Geoff Evans.
278 Posted 03/11/2017 at 05:21:44
He was never a ball of fire but the guy looks shot to me. He was apparently one of the Prem's longest runners in the stats'. What on earth has been going on at this club?
279 Posted 03/11/2017 at 05:25:29
As previously stated I don't think any coach could turn this group of players into a reasonable PL team.
Despite the many team changes this season there are no signs anything is beginning to gel. There is little or no teamwork, most players are only interested in self preservation, they don't want to get caught with the ball so they pass sideways to the nearest man even if that man is marked. So many simple passes are short or played behind the man.
There is absolutely no team spirit in this club today. I seen something today that I have never seen in any form of football in 70 years, and for it to have involved Everton I felt disgusted.
To see a player severely injured like Martina was, lying on the ground looking as if he was paralyzed and not one so called team mate went near him.
Several Lyon players came over from different parts of the pitch to see how he was but it was not of any interest to any of the Everton players.
280 Posted 03/11/2017 at 05:42:27
The tackling machines had their limitations cruelly exposed again, while one charged around seemingly hell bent on getting sent off, the other was missing the sort of chance we had been praying for ... at 0-0.
Still we did create one or two chances, that's something we simply hadn't done away from home under the last guy.
Those who are outraged with the idea of going without a center forward need to consider what happened, this is tournament football. The first instinct is to stay in a game when you are facing more skilful, more confident opposition. We did that . . until we opened up and all our old failings were exposed.
Sixty minutes without a CF 0-0 and looking good
Thirty minutes with a CF 0-3 and in total disarray
Rhino had one realistic chance last night and that was to give this team a chance by keeping them in the game. he did that, but they fluffed their chances. Those calling for him to be removed need to ask themselves who on earth would have been able to have won any games he has been in charge for ?
There is no bungee rope here. were are in free fall and have been playing Zombie football for over a year . . That will take more than a week to sort out.
Im with Unsworth. I am convinced he will now know he cannot rely on Koemans signings.
We don't need Faux hard men like Williams and Schniedelin. What a pair of fannies
281 Posted 03/11/2017 at 06:19:19
I also think someone needs to check the food and water in the canteen at Finch Farm. The lot of them look like something ain't right physically.
282 Posted 03/11/2017 at 06:31:51
The first fix of sorting any team out is keeping it tight at the back and scraping the odd goal and win here and there, exactly what we need and what Allardyce does.
Get him in on a contract heavy on bonuses and start again next summer. This season is a write off so we may as well get short term fix and approach the whole scenario again next time round.
2017/2018 is a season to forget.
283 Posted 03/11/2017 at 06:39:53
Sooner or later that bent hoof-baller is going lose the "Magic" touch and it might be with us. There are no guarantees beyond Unsworth right now, in my opinion. It's too soon to panic, and the downside of Bungy will be considerable.
284 Posted 03/11/2017 at 07:06:22
Enough said for me.
Changing several players and formation every game smacks of desperation and makes the management team look like they dont have a clue. It was the same under Koeman.
We are in danger of experimenting all the way to the championship lauding green shoots as we go.
285 Posted 03/11/2017 at 07:22:25
When skies are grey, and Zombies give a Masterclass against a hapless Everton.
286 Posted 03/11/2017 at 07:44:33
Darren we have been playing zombie football for about 4 years now. I have no idea how to stop it but now we are in the state whereby fat Sam us being touted by many fans. How low can we go. Rhino has only had just over a week with the players so it's very hard to judge but after Leicester and last night it doesn't look good. We are in a mess there's no two ways about it. It's a terrible time to get a new manager in but there's every chance we could get firmly entrenched in the bottom 3 over the next few weeks given that we just don't look like scoring. I would give Rhino a chance if only because I wouldn't have fat Sam anywhere near our club and I'm not sure theres anyone out there who would cone right away.
How did it come to this? A decent squad left by Moyes with a never say die attitude that just needed to be taken to the next level. Now we are in serious danger of relegation so early in the season. Take a bow Kenwright, even a RS fan couldn't have planned this downfall as good. Wish he would just fuck off out of our club now and take his loser parasitic ways with him.
287 Posted 03/11/2017 at 07:47:58
Doesnt he need a target man to employ his long ball tactics ?
Whats he going to do for 10 weeks , Sign Kevin Davies on a free?
Who are we going to boot it up the pitch to? Lookman?
Big Sam is a joke and will be hounded out of the club in no time. It would be one of the saddest days of my time as an Evertonian if he was hired.
288 Posted 03/11/2017 at 07:53:25
We brought players from Sunderland, Swansea, Burnley and Southampton. Middle to lower table teams. Thus our current position makes perfect sense. None of them know what a winning culture at a club is about or have experienced such a thing. Only Rooney has shown fight and character even though his talent is on the down slide, but this is because he understands how much wiork it takes to win consistently.
I don't know whats wrong with Schneiderlin, he has lost the plot completely.
So now we're cherry picking from our youth squad and while there is some talent there, in all honesty I wouldn't think they'd get selected for any other Prem teams. We're playing the youth with a bunch of old and slow veterans. Of course it doesn;t work.
We could seriously get relegated unless some clear out of the deadwood and some proper spending is done in January.
Buy a fucking striker dammit!!!!!
289 Posted 03/11/2017 at 07:58:27
290 Posted 03/11/2017 at 08:01:41
291 Posted 03/11/2017 at 08:24:01
As for Dyche, how on earth is he ambitious??? I remember us considering Malky Mackay before we hired Martinez just because he has done OK at Cardiff, no thank you.
Signing Dyche would be like signing Moyes all over again, brilliant with a shoestring budget because he had to make the average players play better football because they had no better players on the bench to push them or replace them. It's easy for a Dyche or Moyes to play the same team week after week and get solid consistent performances, because they had no better players to replace them with.
We are supposed to be at a higher level now where, just like with all the other big clubs, we can change a system and 3, 4, 5 player changes per game because that's what big clubs do to win the points and trophies,,,,,,,,which unfortunately smacks in the face of what Dyche and Moyes try to do.
Dyche HASN'T done Brilliant, he has done only OK. yes he is 7th right now but in 3 months he could be 17th and we will have wondered what all the fuss was about. Yes he got Burnley promoted twice, which is admirable, but winning two promotions from the championship compares nothing to running a huge club and with massive direction. Don't forget, Burnley was absolutely woeful away last season, and although they have had some great away results so far, we are only 10 games in, so let's not get carried away.
I will repeat, signing Dyche will be like the first step in the road if being 2 or 3 poor managers away from a good team.
293 Posted 03/11/2017 at 08:51:30
294 Posted 03/11/2017 at 09:08:55
295 Posted 03/11/2017 at 09:11:33
I hope Martina is ok but his first 11 minutes of the game was the worst I've seen in a long time. Since when does turning your back and sticking your leg out constitute a tackle? I reckon he would have been marched if he'd played on before he got injured.
Williams .too slow and simply shite.
Holgate .not good enough for the top level.
Kenny not really as quick as what I thought.
I thought Beni was the one bright spark.
3 soft goals conceded. We need to sort the defence out.It's a shambles.
Koeman has spent a ludicrous amount of money to turn a top 7 team into relegation candidates. He will go down as one of the worst manager's in our history. What a shambles.
296 Posted 03/11/2017 at 09:26:00
Instead, we went for a manager who had just gotten his team relegated. And after it all turned to shit, we go and replace him with someone worse.
Tuchel for me please.
298 Posted 03/11/2017 at 09:26:56
299 Posted 03/11/2017 at 09:37:29
I would much rather we were two or three managers away from being a good side (let alone one of the top teams) than being in the Championship.
This is where I think the odds are on us being, if we just go on (with whoever in charge) until the end of the season.
I think we are in danger of getting relegated even if we have a manager appointed permanently NOW. But we have a better chance of avoiding the drop with someone who knows he will have two or three years to plan for any eventuality.
We need someone who will have the backing of the board to bring in players during the January window, in at least 3 position, plus the goalscorer we are crying out for. That's a centre half, a left back and a right back at the very least. If we can, maybe we could bring in a winger on the left if there's one around who can do the job that Mirallas sometimes does.
Whatever we do as a club, I hope we do it soon, ie; Monday or at the beginning of the international break at the latest.
I think it is a risk, well, know it is a risk, whatever is done but to me, there is an extremely short window for this club to avoid relegation, if it can be avoided at all.
The sad thing , or one of them, is we do have good players but they have been plonked in a side without any thought given as to how they can contribute their undoubted skills to the benefit of the team.
Klaasen and Siggurdson, both scored at least ten goals each in their respective leagues, and they both made chances regularly for their team mates. Sandro is a proven goal scorer (admittedly in a different league) and Rooney is our top goalscorer and is also creating chances.
So we do have some creativity and some goalscoring players.
What we don't have, is a defence. If we had two, mobile, snarling take no prisoners centre halves and a left back who defends in a similar vein. That would be a start.
I think that the new players need time to develop their understanding of each others play, and personally, I'd forget about how far up the league, the under 23's are, I'd be playing Siggy, Klaasen, Sandro together in that team every week, in their proper positions and leave them to develop an understanding of each others play. And play them in their proper positions, if the first team need them.
That's only my view of course and I'd like to see Sean Dyche come in; but the central point, I feel, has to be that we need a permanent manager in now.
300 Posted 03/11/2017 at 09:46:03
So often the voice of reason on here, and get's it pretty much bang on again in my view.
We were good for almost 70 minutes last night, against a very good Lyon team let's not forget. They'll do well in the EL this year, and going well in Ligue 1 too.
I agree the system was working well last night, and so was the lineup until their goal, which there was no way we could have stopped. It was pure luck the ball fell into the path of whatshisname that used to play for Chelsea.
On that note, I never understand the knee-jerk reaction when opposition players do something good against us - it always has to somehow be an Everton player at fault for literally everything that happens on the field. Not everything can be legislated for, and the opposition often do really good things against us, which you have to just hold your hand up for - they train all week as well, in case you weren't aware.
Unsworth picked a good formation last night, despite no striker, and it worked for 70 minutes. Of course he had to change it at some point, and bring DCL on - unfortunately from then on we struggled a bit as the game developed.
I'm one of those who doesn't think we'll get relegated, and I also don't think we're even involved in a relegation season yet. In fact I'd go so far as to say there's only one team flirting with relegation in the whole league at this point, and that's Palace.
301 Posted 03/11/2017 at 09:53:10
I'd be tempted by Allardyce myself, just because of the situation.
We overspent on some flavour of the moment players - are we going to do the same again on a manager ?
302 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:01:45
Our number 1 priority this season is secure survival - 17th place. nothing else. once that is done we can start rebuilding over the summer and try to return to the top half of the table.
so many people on here with ridiculously rose tinted glasses, it's unbelievable. I swear some of them haven't seen our games so far this season and seen the form of the squad. just because we won the league in the 80s doesn't mean we are still a big club who can compete toe to toe with the Spurs, City, Utds etc.
303 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:01:56
I think Unsy going week by week as temporary, is unfair on him; and I also think that as each game goes by without someone given the opportunity to plan for the January break, the more we will drift.
Whoever the Board decide to put in charge, I'd hope they make that a choice for a permanent manager. I hope they wouldn't waitfor a "Big Name" who'd come in, as I think the Big Name would laugh his socks off.
304 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:02:02
We've played ONE Premier League game! It was an away game and we got beaten. There was a much improved effort but completely lacking in quality. Now the coach can't do much in 6 days about the lack of quality in key positions.
Other than that there was an away game at Chelsea after a day's preparation. We acquitted ourselves well - probably our best performance this season (I know that's setting a very low bar).
Then there was an away game at Lyon. A team that is well ahead of us. In a comp that we were almost certainly out of but it's contributing to us playing twice a week when we have survival to worry about. With a massive game coming up on Sunday. He understandably picked a very weakened side. I was thankful that we didn't get a rugby score put past us but I had honestly stopped caring about the comp - nothing more than an unwelcome distraction from a serious need for league points. Hopefully the traveling blues treated it like a short holiday. I know some of my mates did.
Sunday is where Unsworth will be judged. Can he pick a team that will get the crowd going? I'm feeling confident. 4-4-2. Attack in numbers. Yes we'll concede; the defence pretty much picks itself and it's shit. But we can get men up and down the pitch, in and around the box, taking shots.
305 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:06:20
The difference between last night and Koeman's last few games is that I was shouting and roaring at the TV and desperately wanted us to win. With Koeman I was at the 'don't give a shit' stage.
Their supporters were dickheads by the way and hardly half-filled their stadium. Fuck them. Did Everton have any supporters there? According to the TV coverage not as I didn't see a single picture of them throughout the game. I did turn off after the second goal though I was so pissed off. And the crowing commentators loved us losing, it was so clear. Savage is a thick c***.
If we keep the attitude and effort of last night I'm convinced we will be okay and nowhere near relegation in a few months. Give Unsy a chance, he nearly pulled it off last night. His mistake for me was taking Gueye off instead of Schneiderlin.
Whilst I'm wittering on, and to try to bring some cheer. Did anyone hear the pundit at the Leicester game say, when at 2-0, "If Leicester score again them they'll have an unattainable lead'. Er, perhaps you mean unassailable you absolute tit.
306 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:10:56
people are coming on here saying this one is rubbish that one is rubbish. these are players who we were all looking forward to seeing in a blue shirt.
everyone was looking forward to a good season when there was talk of us getting Sigurdsson, Klassen, Keane, Pickford to go with the players who had taken us to a European place last season.
these have not become bad players over night, they have become players who haven't a clue what formation or style the team is suppose to be playing.
get someone in who will organise and build confidence and I don't mean Sam Aladyce.
we need to decide what type of football we are looking for and then find a manager who plays that way.
do we want to defend most of the game and hope for a breakaway goal (Sean Dyche) do we want another manager like Martinez who's team passes the ball around all game without getting near to the opposition goal. do we want a manager like Koeman who is bland and doesn't get on with his players and is always looking to play safe.
or do we want a manager who gets on with his players, plays an energetic pressing game, actually tries to outplay the other team and will give us all a lift (Tuchel)
think the big question is do we have ambition or do we just want to fight relegation every year?
307 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:11:09
Did anyone really think we were likely to win at Chelsea & Lyon? I certainly didn't. I also don't fully blame Koeman for the mess - the mess was created primarily by whoever failed to replace Lukaku, and that for me is the bottom line in all of this.
I read some comments from Martin Keown about the Giroud thing, where he said that Koeman had Giroud up at Finch Farm, and he (Giroud) decided not to sign for us - at that point the club should have had another striker lined up waiting in another room (yes, right there & then) to sign for us instead. This is the problem we have - we have no focal point, nobody to put the ball in the net, nobody in the box the players trust, which affects our entire style of play from front to back. DCL spends half his time running the channels, and Rooney drops deep all the time - remember when everyone used to moan about Lukaku standing around up top? Always offside? Hanging on the arm of the last defender? Do you see WHY he does that now? Get it? Notice how we struggle without a powerful, recognised striker doing that? Am I the only one who can see this pattern?
308 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:14:45
309 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:18:44
seriously? you think we are ticking along fine and will be fine and not even near a relegation scrap. ok then.
as for Sunderland
players - they had Defoe, one of the most consistant strikers in the league for the past 10 years - you wouldn't want him in our squad at the moment? I would!
prestige - yeap, can't beat a bit of prestige, that's going to get us at least 10 points and secure our survival. oh, I forgot, old trophies from 30 years ago mean sod all in a relegation fight!
Finance - yeah, we may have more money, but it's only good if you spend it correctly!
Management - this is the best one! you seriously think we have better management? Given the dross we have signed this summer, the lack of foresight to replace aging players? the complete lack of formation. BK being unable to take the club forward and making shit decisions. SW for not pushing for players to plug the OBVIOUS gaps in the squad. The multiple failed stadium moves. shall I go on?
our main problem is to but 1 or 2 strikers?! if only. we need a whole back 4 as well to replace old players and provide cover.
sounding panicked? yes I am. for the first time in over 30 odd years (except maybe walter smiths year) I fear we have a real chance of going down. people who say we are a big club, too much prestige to go down, blah blah, are simply deluded.
Yes, we can get out of it, if we appoint the right manager and make some shrewd buys in January. However I don't have the confidence in the board to get that right.
310 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:23:15
Of course we're struggling, and we're all wondering where the goals & points are going to come from, but I'm also one of those that doesn't think relegation needs to be talked about in November, when one win can move us up that much.
I think that's what people mean when they say we're not in a relegation fight - yet.
311 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:24:54
Blame now, gets us nowhere. I think it's well known throughout every team in the league, what our weaknesses are and, somehow, we have to put them right while playing competitive teams who are either aiming for the top spots, or trying not to get into the position we are in. Pretty obvious, I know and I'm not in any way knocking Unsworth for the job he's done so far. Nor do I expect him to wave a magic wand and put right what has been wrong
I just think we have either got to give him some time, and also some power. If the board don't give whoever it is in charge for the rest of this season, then I think the chances of us getting out of this mess will diminish with each game that passes.
This isn't a knee jerk reaction, it is a view I have. I've watched EFC for donkeys years and, apart from Mike Walkers, reign, this is the most dangerous situation I think we've been in.
312 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:30:11
Looks like he is coming though. Wish it was possible to resign as an Evertonian, I have tried, but for reasons I cant explain I always come back
"Just when I thought I was out. They pulled me back in"
313 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:36:21
314 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:38:13
I mentioned the striker thing really because Keown had brought up what he believes SHOULD have happened. To my mind that view is borne out of reality, and the way he's seen other clubs (Arsenal?) do business in the past.
315 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:41:31
Then they got a fortunate bounce, the crucial first goal and heads dropped as the lack of confidence seeped out.
I feel sorry for Unsworth as I genuinely think he has us playing better and we've just not had much luck (ricochet first goal last night, stonewall pen at Leics etc) but ultimately bad luck is irrelevant and results are the bottom line.
Watford therefore is crucial.
If we lose then sadly I think Unsworth has failed his audition. If we win or even if we draw but play well then I hope he'll get more time as it looks clear to me that he actually has some discernible tactics and is getting more out of most of the players than his predecessor.
On another note I thought Schneiderlin was a disgrace last night. Slow, error prone and contributing nothing other than a needless red card. When I think that Schneiderlin, Siggurdsson and Klaassen cost almost £100m between them it makes my blood boil! If we could get £70m back for the lot of them I'd be delighted but wishful thinking I fear.
317 Posted 03/11/2017 at 10:53:19
I agree with you about where the blame lies for the mess we are in; and I don't think it lies with the players either. Yep, they're professionals but they're also men and their confidence is shattered. I think Unsworth has done a better job in two weeks than RK has done in 18 months, in addressing the need for supporting our players and giving them a sense of belief.
He's also made a better fist of organising the team in this short time and getting them to fight.
I think my fear is that if the players get to feel that Unsy, or anyone one else, is only in charge temporarily, they might well feel like "What the hell is going on." and then lose even more confidence.
If I felt Unsy could do the job I think is needed, then I'd hope he was given permanent charge. But then I also think the team needs strengtheneing in January, in the defence at the very least, as well as the best goalscorer we can get our hands on.
Perhaps the lads I mentioned, Klassen, Siggy and Sandro would benefit from playing togethger for a few weeks in the reserves and then maybe they will be more effective for us. But time is short and I'm definitely like corporal Jones "Don't Panic!" while panicking away like no ones business!
318 Posted 03/11/2017 at 11:00:16
The fact is, we set up 4-5-1. Mostly played 4-6-0. If you can find solace in that performance with 10 men behind the ball, then great, maybe we can take a spud gun to their bazooka when we play the red shite.
This team will not win a game with DCL up front, he hasn't had a kick for over a dozen games. I don't know what's happened with Sandro, he scored 14 in 30 appearances for Malaga last season, so at least he should offer us something up top?
It's a common theme, but are not playing the players strengths. This is the first thing any manager needs to address. This is why you pay the big money. They get the most out of what's at their disposal. Allardyce will play exactly the same. 4-5-1 with lone strikers chasing balls down the channels. Remind you of anyone?
The fact any manager is praised for setting up to 'make us solid' and then players are lauded for running a bit more has me very concerned. Seriously fellas, a Sunday League manager could set us this team that way.
Page one of football for dummies: 4-5-1.
319 Posted 03/11/2017 at 11:07:06
Until that gets fixed, possibly in January, we're going to struggle.
I would also be playing Sandro in every game - the kid does know where the goal is - you don't score 16 in 30 in La Liga and suddenly forget how to finish. Play him.
320 Posted 03/11/2017 at 11:07:20
321 Posted 03/11/2017 at 11:23:36
I totally agree regarding David Unsworth having an impossible start 3 away games at Chelsea, Leicester (playing in front of a new manager) and Lyon who are 3rd in the French league. Did anybody really expect anything other than the results we got.
Being an old cynic I think the board have already decided who they want, but they delayed making a decision like the gutless group they are. As they didnt want to give the new manager such a tough start, and if the results had been the same and they probably would imagine the pressure they as a board would have been under. So sadly I think even if we beat Watford I don't think they will give Unsworth any more time.
I would love to know the brief that Steve Walsh was given when he joined. Was it we cant compete in buying players that the top 6 can buy so lets get as many good young players before they become known. Or is he involved in selecting players for the first team, and if he has well it doesnt seem to be working out too well. Obviously we will never know who decided to bring in 3 number tens yet no strikers, as part of Koemans pay off will be a confidentiality clause which will stop him writting in the press about it.
I hear all this nonsense about they thought Giroud would sign, we needed at least 2 if not 3 strikers. We could have gone for Llorente and Dzeko but no we had Giroud in the bag. Now I thought Koeman came here saying he wanted to play a high pressing game, and yet proceeds to sign Rooney,Klassen and Sigurdsson. None of which have any pace about them.
Finally I would question what Moshiris intentions are, he came in and bought 49.9% of the club. Some thought that maybe his pal Usmanov would eventually buy the other 50%, but that seems highly unlikely at present. Kronke has said he and his son will be at Arsenal for a very long time, so if Usmanov had nay intention of selling his shares at Arsenal and buy into Everton that would be taking place and it isn't.
322 Posted 03/11/2017 at 11:26:19
Yes, that is the very least a club should expect, but we weren't getting that for so long, it is a welcome development than the utter capitulations we have seen.
If we can get a manager who's very least expectationis is that every player has to perform that way in every game. That doesn't mean to say that expectations should not be higher, they should be much higher.
We however, appear to be watching our players going back to school to learn the basics. The fact that they appear to be learning something, is a sign of hope...hence the praise.
There's lots more to go though, even to get us away from the bottom 3.
Whatever or whoever we choose, to get those basics right, and build on them with better players (and I think we need to massively improve our mobility in defence, as well a getting in another goalscorer) then we have to play with what we have
Silk purses and sows ears comes to mind.
323 Posted 03/11/2017 at 11:29:40
Its got to such a low point that even rival fans cant be bothered to bait us. Good job, Moshiri, Kenwright and co.
324 Posted 03/11/2017 at 11:38:03
Oh and expect a tin can for a stadium when it eventually arrives.
Bill needs to go with all the other dead weights.
325 Posted 03/11/2017 at 11:45:21
It was said in a really quaint, gentle, yet almost disparaging way - we're a fucking soft touch, a footnote in history, a dinosaur and in no way seen as as threat to anyone.
Kenwright has created us in HIS image. Soft, doughy, cuddly even - non threatening, likeable, amiable and easy to approach.
Our football is exactly the same.
327 Posted 03/11/2017 at 11:58:23
Our next 5 PL games are against so called "weaker easier" teams, and we need to wrack up at least 3 wins from those 5 games I would say to get some sort of confidence in the side. if we lose say 4 of those 5, playing as we have been then it will be lamb to the slaughter time at the hole punch.
328 Posted 03/11/2017 at 11:58:37
How Moshiri fucked up big time? I dont know?
We seriously could go down now after this debacle that has been created over the last 18 months.
In fairness to Moshiri, I think Emery was the first choice before he settled on the dour Dutchman.
We havent had a plan on playing the game for ages now apart from Gueye and Schneiderlin starting each game.
Im afraid Unsworth isnt the answer. He may be a true blue but he has no experience outside youth coaching. His team selection proves it. In fairness, he has had 3 tough away games but we have been beaten well in these games apart from playing Chelseas second string.
We all dream of an Ancelotti or Tuchel but they wont come to us while were in this total pile of Shite.
For me Dyche is the man, hes done wonders at Burnley and they dont play bad football. Hendricks goal against us, Barca would be proud of.
People are put off because his name isn't Juan Dychelli or something like that and hes a ginger.
Big Sam could be an option but his football is prison football and we have no target man to lump it up too. Plus hes dodgy as hell.
Simeone would be my choice if we were in a better situation.
But make no mistakes, whoever comes in has one of the toughest jobs in world football to rectify this mess.
I just hope a striker or two, centre half, left back and winger are lined up on January 1st because we desperately need it and a proper, no nonsense, tactically astute coach is in the helm otherwise we will be welcoming second tier football next season for the first time since 1954, which we may never recover from.
329 Posted 03/11/2017 at 12:12:11
Can we get him registered as a free agent and play him?
330 Posted 03/11/2017 at 12:12:30
Somehow the team has to aqcuire as many points as possible prior to the window opening, however, the way our club operate until January 31st when we host Leicester City. After the Leicester home match Everton will have 13 Premier League fixtures to play, including games against Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City.
Waiting for the window to open is not an option the solutions have to be found immediately with the players we have in the squad right now.
331 Posted 03/11/2017 at 12:14:28
Nonetheless, we still regard ourselves as Evertonians and can hold a view on how the Club is run and the people running it. What we can't do is influence in any way how they get into such a bloody mess.
I'm almost to the point of nor caring !!!!
332 Posted 03/11/2017 at 12:37:23
Well said Ciaran. My guess about the choice of Koeman, is that Moshiri thought his skill as a manager was in keeping with his skill as a player. Whatever the reason, Mr Moshiri has done what he said his job was,hiring and firing, he's sacked the manager for not doing the job he was paid for.
Hopefully now, he'll do the hiring...and take no notice whatsoever of Kenwright's advice.
I hope too, that he'll go for Sean Dyche and allow Dyche to bring in in January, whoever he thinks will improve the team from those available. I agree that a Centre Half, Left Back, and recognised goalscorer is an absolute minimum.
I think Unsy ought to go out and learn the trade as a manager and hopefully, he'd be in the running for a big job in a few years. To expect him to do what is almost a resucitation job on this club, is asking too much of him; and if the worst happens and we go down, the outcome is nightmarish.
One thing I hope is that Mr Moshiri stays with us. Then I hope he'll say farewell to Boys Pen Billy and to Elstone and the rest of the cronies. If he's going to spend more money on this club, then he needs as top class team of advisers and executives to help him, not the bash street kids.
Then we might start beginning the climb back towards the top...but it's a bloody long way from where we are now, both in the team and in the club.
333 Posted 03/11/2017 at 12:38:56
The reaction of the players spoke to Martina's injury spoke volumes to me. It then made me ask myself, how can I really get behind this bunch of players?
334 Posted 03/11/2017 at 12:38:56
335 Posted 03/11/2017 at 12:45:37
336 Posted 03/11/2017 at 12:50:10
I truly hope that if Unsy stays, he'll get us those wins, and more but I think we have no time on our side to keep putting off a decision to basically, save this club from relegation.
I realise I might be panicking. I can't see though, that David Unsworth is the right man for a permanent post as manager. If he isn't then I think for the situation that we are in, Seaun Dyche, if he will come, is our best bet for a0 survival and b) for progress.
337 Posted 03/11/2017 at 12:56:54
Without a striker we're snookered, and that applies to whoever takes over. To be completely honest, I reckon they could appoint you, me, or the bloke who runs my chippy until January, but unless we buy a striker (or ignite Sandro/Niasse) I don't see much changing.
338 Posted 03/11/2017 at 13:05:31
This is a watershed moment for us but I think we need to hold our nerve, unless a marquee manager is interested, as neither of the two candidates most mentioned are exactly mouthwatering prospects are they?
339 Posted 03/11/2017 at 13:09:22
I just sincerely hope that the board know something we don't.
340 Posted 03/11/2017 at 14:23:51
IF .IF IF
REALITY we are in the relegation places, probably playing as bad as anyone in the Premier and need to get out of trouble fast.
341 Posted 03/11/2017 at 14:26:24
342 Posted 03/11/2017 at 14:55:19
343 Posted 03/11/2017 at 15:06:08
It was nuts to and get rid of Koeman panic is never the best way . But Fat Sam is a nightmare. This is a deeply flawed team but we have good players it is just very difficult to play every game from behind.
Schneiderlin was a complete disgrace yesterday. I never want to see him pull on our proud Blue shirt again. Lets start rebuilding our team spirit from that point.
344 Posted 03/11/2017 at 15:21:26
345 Posted 03/11/2017 at 16:47:13
On this form he just isnt good enough. No wonder he didnt play many games for United. How Davies gets dropped for this lad Ill never know.
I would sell him this January.
346 Posted 03/11/2017 at 17:28:11
What I saw was an Everton team that played for 70 minutes with more shape and discipline than I
I have seen in the last three years.
Case in point. Lookman did a great job in covering wide but once he got back he switched off and he let his man get off his shoulder whilst ball-watching. He did this a few times and Williams gave him an almighty blocking. He moaned but he took notice. Discipline, shape.
We had two tight lines that moved together up and down the pitch. We had width.
We knew from the home game that Lyon were no great shakes. They are mid-table PL at best, and run out of steam and ideas fairly quickly. Not interested in how good they are in France, the French league is shite.
Sigurdsson as a CF was a massive compromise and we were a bit wary about pushing up to give support in the first half but after the break we did and we had a couple of good chances.
We gave away a ridiculous goal but, instead of keeping the shape that had got us something DU totally abandoned any shape at all. We went headless. I was surprised it ended at just 3.
Sunday we absolutely need the same formation and shape. We need to make clean sheets a priority. With a full squad to choose from and the practice of Thursday and with a Watford team with little real pace we can win the game.
Announce the new manager, might he have had an input on the shape and tactics Thursday do you think, on Monday.
Two weeks to work on defensive discipline and we are off and running.
All the people on here talking about two up front, no defensive midfield players are barking mad.
347 Posted 03/11/2017 at 17:30:14
348 Posted 03/11/2017 at 17:30:39
349 Posted 03/11/2017 at 17:54:24
Are you expecting the other teams above us to stop playing games so we can catch up?
350 Posted 03/11/2017 at 17:56:26
351 Posted 03/11/2017 at 18:03:42
Completely agree. It was a scratch side and but for a bit of better luck the outcome could have been a lot different. Schneids tackle sending the ball to one of their players and flat footing our defence which led to their first goal was a good example. Although I wish Unsworth hadn't chickened out by picking Siggs up front. He was useless their. I think a better bet would have been Niasse. He's got more pace, chases lost causes, and can score.
I thought Beni had a great game. I think we'll get big things from him. I also thought Besic looked decent at right back. Not the best I've seen but better than anything we have at the moment. Even Shneiderlin looked like got a bit of form back. Personally with one or two tweaks, Keane for Holgate, Jags for Williams, Niasse for Siggs, Maybe give Pickford a blow and give Robles or Stek a run out I would pick that side and that formation again.
352 Posted 03/11/2017 at 18:23:49
Are you related to him Frank, cause I (along with the majority on here) thought he was utter shite.
Anonymous in the first half, never plays a forward pass, slides into tackles far too often (1st goal), lack of awareness (2nd goal) and the sending off!
He should be docked his wages.
353 Posted 03/11/2017 at 18:33:53
354 Posted 03/11/2017 at 19:07:15
We need a striker as focal point to play up top. I know Siggy was stop-gap last night so hopefully we don't see him there again as the system may have worked but quite frankly it's a waste to have him there as he couldn't influence the game. Niasse has to start. I don't think DCL or Sandro can play this position. I'd like to see Sandro play off him as the 2nd striker. Drop Schneiderlin for Davies.
Free the shackles off Lookman and let him run at them.
355 Posted 03/11/2017 at 19:16:12
356 Posted 03/11/2017 at 19:34:47
As far as I'm concerned compared to his recent form he showed some improvement.
357 Posted 03/11/2017 at 19:53:05
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