Lyon finish strongly to end Everton's European hopes

Hope we win though and I'm proved wrong.

Love to see them win and remaining hopeful. COYB

I wanted Unsworth to be given a go at the job simply because he's worked with the kids, but he's just carried on from where Koeman left off imo.

people are worried, I can understand why, but you don't build a football teams confidence by chopping and changing, and it seems to me that Unsworth might be more of a coach than a manager?

Worrying...

All efforts have gone into Sunday's game already. Orders from up top. Surely?

Let's see how it goes before we condemn...

Football is about continuity, not changing the personnel and the formation every week. Not Unsworth's fault, but this team shows you how much real planning went into our summer recruitment policy.

Siggy upfront is crazy, he's getting treated like a young kid with no-one seeming to know his best position, and not like a fucking record signing. This is nowhere near the worst squad we have ever had, but it's a long time since I've seen a squad so badly managed?

Also hoping that DU makes a change at half time, we are being overrun and although 0-0 is not a bad score line I can't see it staying that way.

A centre midfielder up front.
Another centre mid at right back.
A right back at left back.

Cringe.

If we'd gone full strength Unsworth would have been slated for it.

It was a joint failure, and someone needs to take names, take charge and fucking get a grip of the shambles we find ourselves engulfed in.

Unbelievable.

Mind you he's not too bothered by anything.

I never understood the reviews he got last year. Complete waste of space.

Which was quite obvious by who he left back.

I cannot fathom why, based upon a very good second half at Chelsea, he didn't stick with the same team against Leicester and Lyon. We may still have lost both games but surely consistency is the key for the mess we are in.

I really want DU to do well but I simply can't get my head around his approach to the Leicester and Lyon games. It may well be that the board had already made their mind up about the next manager before tonight or Leicester for that matter and DU knows it.

Very difficult to take at the moment. The game on Sunday is like a cup final now - we simply have to win.

Bring on January... It's going to have to be a massive month for transfers. In coming, out going... No Mercy!

Get a talented, winner, respected visionary of a manager in, (not some 3 year fucked up project) splash the cash and get us the fuck out of this mess!

A long, long way to to go but it's lovely to watch now.

I live in hope that we win on Sunday and make tonight's miserable showing worthwhile.

Ranting at Unsworth is akin to phoning a BT customer service operator to blame them for your WIFI being slow,

It's not his fault. He is also not the answer.

He wouldn't get a game in any top 8 team

I'm sick of people bigging up our players new young or old ! We need a massive clear out from top to bottom as our entire squad is clearly championship material a best!

Sick of this poison running through the club

Sick of it all - depressing

What would a manager of Kendall's standing done with such funds?

Btw, Houdini wouldn't be able to do anything with the mess Koeman has left behind, so, it's unfair to criticise Unsworth for the mess we're in.

koeman should NOT be paid a penny in compensation for his sacking because of his dereliction of duty.

Correct. All that counts is Sunday. After that, the board must review our situation and make a decision. If we win, Unsie has a chance of being appointed. Failure to win will mean that we need to get someone in ASAP in the international break.

I'm going to nail my colours to the wall. I hope we win on Sunday and Unsie gets the job. We have had 3 tough away games, and there have been some positive signs. There's no denying we need a clear out though. Schneiderlin needs dropping for starters. And we need some new blood up front.

He should be sued for the wages back.,"koeman should NOT be paid a penny in compensation for his sacking because of his dereliction of duty."

He should be sued for the wages back.,,,1,20:20:24,,81.108.253.187,ok,19747,11/02/2017 20:20:24,Overdrive,reader,, 866665,35752,toffeeweb,02/11/2017,Joe McMahon,joe90_@hotmail.co.uk,"Jason (83) How exactly? - we are a nothing club, never been in CL league, no trophy since 1995, in a Victorian stadium. Remember the Wolves manager isn't even interested.

If Moyes comes back (sacked 3 times no one else wants him) I shall end my 42 year support.

I still can't believe the way we conducted ourselves in the pre season. Now we are seeing the fruits of our Chairman's handy work. Please No one say Moshiri will step in and save us. Let's not forget Lukaku being allowed to leave like he did was on Moshiris watch.. Imagine Abramovich getting his arse smacked like that. Some big time Billionaire business man we've got at our club Didn't take BK to reduce Farhad to a Gobshite did it

..Fucking joke of a club our fans who went to France tonight deserve better than what they got out there.

I think Mosh is being royally pick pocketed And once he works that out all bets are off .

I can't think of a manager who has done a worse job, either inside or outside our club. Well take years to recover from that clown.

Although his run of games has consisted of tough away matches, it's beginning to look like the job is drifting away from Unsworth now. However, I can't believe that some on here are calling for Big Sam. Are you serious? Big Sam at Everton?

Tonight was the latest result.

The games Unsworth has had, none of them were easy, but I'll keep saying the same things, because the only thing missing from any Everton line-up at the minute is repetition.

The longer this goes on, the worse the confidence will become, I've already had half a dozen texts off a couple of red nose bastards, and feel totally underwhelmed by Unsworth, who keeps trying different things, like he's auditioning for the fucking X-FACTOR, instead of trying to manage a fucking football team.

I know it's not easy, because if it was then we would all be doing it. The chips are down, we aren't getting the rub of the green, but if it's true you make your own luck, then the quicker we can instill some real professionalism into the squad, then the quicker we will become a team again.

We have been getting badly mismanaged, and when that's the case, most players will usually adopt an "it's not really my fault attitude". We need to pick our best eleven players now, and get them going right back to the basics.

Stay calm because we still have enough good players in the squad, but we just need someone to fucking manage us properly?

Can't score Can't defend

I suspect that it will be exactly the same on Sunday .

BK et al could have stood firm over Lukaku and said "yer goin' nowhere, sunshine" but maybe they thought they were on to something selling him and using the money to keep the Premier League cash cow fatted.

Now they know we are headed for the drop. I can see them having no choice but to manage risk and appoint the relegation-avodiance specialist that is Big Sam.

In other words, now is not the time to fixate on our increasingly ironic club motto and other tripe about schools of science.

BK has brought us to our knees.We need picking up ASAP..As much as it hurts it has to be done.Nit fucking Moyes though.or we will definitely go down.

Best fighting trousers on, lads, because we're on a war footing now!

Prepare to walk away because its going to be Dyche or Big Sam.

Gus Hiddink was mentioned today. I think he'd be the most exciting interim manager we could get right now. The guy's 70 though. I'd be worried about his health trying to sort that shite out.

Btw, I think you're being very unfair on Sean Dyche. A good manager who is the type of guy we need right now. He's as good as it will get for a long term appointment right now. There's no way Silva will leave Watford, and he's the only other realistic contender. Maybe David Wagner, but would he leave Huddersfield for Everton mired at the bottom and risk ruining his reputation so early in his premier league career. Same as Silva. No, prepare yourself for Dyche or Big Sam.

The problem with that of course is if things do not work out we really will be in deep. Possibly too deep to salvage even with someone like Allardyce (god forbid).

I want DU to succeed as much as anyone, my biggest concern is timing, being prepared for the Jan transfer window and getting enough points between now and Christmas to get up the table.

Last season we had a half decent side for sure. We finished 7th with ease. There was a solid enough back 4, but things were less assured once Funes got injured. Koeman knew we had old defenders but he let Oveido go to Sunderland last January and then didn't buy a replacement in the summer, what's worse was that he let Galloway go on loan and didn't register Garbutt.

The midfield was working well as a trio - Schneiderlin, Davies and Gueye. But he dropped Davies and brought in Klaassen messing about with what worked and changing from stability and players who pressed.

The front three were Lukaku, Mirallas and Barkley. forget unlucky with Barkley's injury Koeman was driving him out. He also forced Mirallas out the side and sold Lukaku. So he got rid of our front three.

He should have been looking to replace Lukaku. He should have kept the make-up of the team, the structure the approach, the way the team plays exactly the same, but he changed everything. He then signed Rooney, knew he was coming for ages, we all did. But then he insisted on Sigurdsson too. And that was after we signed Klaassen. This is where it all went wrong. Up to Sigurdsson signing it was all looking good. But it was looking good on the basis that we would sign a striker.

Giroud didn't come. Koeman had him in the building he said, but that was not deadline day, that was three weeks before deadline day. Walsh was out trying to get others but Koeman turned them down. Not good enough he said. Maybe he was right, but the end result is what we have now.

This is not Walsh's fault. Read what he has said, when Koeman was here, he had to CONVINCE Koeman to sign players. Koeman had the last word. What did Koeman say after the cockup? He said he would leave it to Walsh in JANUARY, as it would be mid-season and he would need focus on the side. They are both telling you whose fault this all is, Ronald Koeman.

Koeman neglected to sign a striker. Walsh had a list, he lined people up, Koeman said no. Koeman changed everything about the side. Koeman was talking about Lukaku being too good for Everton in the press. Koeman was driving Barkley out. It was mistake after mistake from Koeman.

He had had steady progress in that first season, after a poor run up until Jnauary and then he had turned it around. But Barkley was at the fore. But where was his driving force going to be this season? Sigurdsson? He looks incapable of driving a team forwards. He dropped Davies, and he cost the midfield it's energy.

Koeman has fucked us up big time. And you can blame the board for appointing him, but how can you blame the board for the transfers? What they meant to do, not trust him? If they signed a striker and he didn't authorise it, he'd resign, claim breach of contract and get the contract paid in full. And you know he would have done it. Were they meant to sack him with barely a ball kicked, bearing in mind we were limping along before the window shut in midtable and progressing in the EL cup?

It's all well and good trying to make the board a scapegoat here, but they appointed the man they thought was capable. They made him the SEVENTH highest paid manager in WORLD SPORTS and they backed him in the market. £200m + spent on transfer fees alone. You can add another 20% of that in agents fees at least. You can add in more agents fees for failed deals.

The club is in a mess, but it is in a mess because it trusted the Dutchman. How does it prevent this again? You increase the powers of the Director of Football, you make it so that he signs players, even if the manager says no. So that when we fail with Giroud, and if Bas Dost (god forbid) is all we can get, then we still get him. The Director of Football should also have refused to sanction the Sigurdsson deal on the basis of having two number 10s already, and needing a striker. no one else was in for him. We could have got him for much less in deadline day, if we still had money left.

Want a scape goat? It's Ronald Koeman.

Who gives a fig about who is to blame. It's done. What do we do about it now? How do we agitate for the changes necessary?
The blame game is pointless pal. We actually need to start playing survival football.

I can imagine a few potential managers blocking Moshiri's number in the next few days and weeks as nobody will want the job, apart from fall guy Unsworth and a greedy Fat Sam (who will smell the opportunity to enhance his bank balance and will be in a position to extract every penny out of the useless people who run the club and that includes Mr Moshiri.)

What other club in world football would try to compete in one of the most competitive league's without a striker?

What other club would spend so much money without seeing a return of any description out on the pitch?

Are there people at the club who are responsible for this mess and does it suit their agenda?

Will we hear any news on the potential stadium save soundbites from ITK people on here and Mayor Anderson?

Those ITK people who post on this site can they please give details of their knowledge about the stadium's progress?

It's going to be a bitter winter, but we are where we are and can but hope that something changes for the better and soon.

I'd stick with Unsy though. Now's not the time to panic, didn't see the game but by all accounts it was a lot better, it's just that horrible collapse in the final 20 that needs addressing.

Last word on Lukaku: that looks like a gentleman's agreement all day long. When RK came to the club, he obviously promised him CL football, in a 'stick with me for a season and if nothing happens you can leave' sort of thing, or Koeman just didn't fancy him-as he scores goals and does very little else.

But it's the crocks at the back that worry me more than not replacing Lukaku-that's where the money should be spent.

If BK truly is this Amazing Evertonian and loves the club he owns how come he let a cowboy like Koeman destroy his beloved Everton when all of us could see it going tits up? I would definitely of told Swansea to fuck off over Siggurdson..player we didn't need getting financially raped for.

I didn't initially want Unsworth as our next manager, but with the names currently linked to us he is my preferred candidate, and please not Big Sam in any circumstance.

My feeling is that those in power will leave Unsworth in charge until the transfer window opens and then appoint a saviour specialist. This is because we do not have a target man up top to hoof it to and this is how the names linked to us like to play. If any new manager loses a few games before they can bring their own players into the squad, my opinion is that the crowd will quickly turn on them and Kenwright and Moshiri will have another decision to make to appease the Goodison faithful.

We lost the shape when he sent DCL on and Sigurdsson moved backwards.

Definitely stinks to high heaven that deal.I wonder how and when Big Ron gets his cut. Believe me this sort of thing goes on.

If I was Unsy I'd give Kenwright the keys to the office back and tell him to take control. He is Mr Everton after all.

Also, an interesting point you made, is that Koeman overruled all the recommendations put forward by Walsh; which, would explain why he is still at the club.

Koeman has been found out as a person and a manager at Everton. I don't see him getting another job in football anytime soon.

Tonight I finally saw some shape to the team, not enough, but some structure to the play. I also saw more fight and spirit in the players, and a manager on the touchline coaching and yelling at his players, not sitting slumped in the dugout.

I fear for my club

"Cruijff declared in his weekly column for De Telegraaf that Klaassen can be compared with Xavi and Toni Kroos in terms of how comfortable they are on the ball and suggested that Klaassen – once a support striker and used as centre forward for the Dutch U21s – be used as a ‘controlling' midfielder deepest among the trio for Ajax. Cruijff noted that, with Klaassen's ability to retain the ball and great passing, the speed of Ajax's game would be largely increased. However, De Boer's opinion is that he has more qualities and depth to add and they would be curtailed in a deeper position. He has a great – previously mentioned – awareness of goal and offers a threat in attack. He is best suited to the role he already plays in and could truly flourish in a time where a ‘complete' player is absolutely precious, especially for a team such as Ajax."

Klaassen is a bad fit for this team who do not utilise his sublime skills as a one touch footballer. We play to his weaknesses and none of his strengths. How did Koeman not see it?

If he were to do this now we may have 2 better prepared players available sometime from Jan onwards.

Incidentally on the subject of Lukaku, I see Mourinho had asked the United supporters to show him more love

But at the present time we need to stop shipping goals first and foremost.

It might cost us a few fellow blues for a while but they will be back when they realise he has taught these players what it's all about.

Benni B looks good and done well and I hope him and Lookman get more chances.

Now I sense it will be th SS in charge, in the near future - Big Sam and Little Sam. How only EFC could enact this farce.. Its an air of despondency and Sunday is massive.

The club is in a mess and will we recover from this abyss? For me the worst season by far so far in my lifetime based on the wasted money and VIP transfer strategy and so for me SW should also walk th walk to the job centre, as we are devoid of any real hope of improving. But we can't give up so we live in hope.

Now to drown the woes.

His hiding and lack of stamina and guile can't be sustained any more.

the player who BK refers to was Dave Hickson not Higson.
How does the song go " if you know your history"

We have the money to buy key players.

We have the money to find the right manager.

We have the time to bring him in.

We have 7 months to fix this and survive.

Short of 2 pacy goalscoring forwards and a left-back in January we also have Coleman, Bolasie and Barkley to come back.

All is not lost. We CAN survive this!!!

Chelsea, Leicester (away) and Lyon have all been formidable champions over the years. Did we really believe that in our current state of mind that we were going to beat them!?

I believe we could entice Carlo Ancelotti or someone of his calibre to the club in the short term. Money, a challenge and the Premier League talks. Fuck Moyes, dyche and allardyce. Not worthy!

Long term, scout the planet for a number 2 at a world renowned, successful club. A manager who is ready, wants to define his own legacy and who has been around the block with the best for many a number of years. A student of the game... Someone a hell of a lot more seasoned than Giggs!

He would be hungry, fresh, inexpensive, loyal and determined to put his own stamp on his vision for the club, and will be prepared to sacrifice anyone who doesn't live up to the standard of a Champions League competing mentality, because that is all he would have known.

We can buy young up and coming players from Barcelona but we can't sign a rising talented manager who wants to prove his worth in the best league in the world!? I don't believe that.

Right now and for the future we need to have a little realistic patience.

We will survive.

We signed Vlasic, we played him wide, then after pushing him inside against Brighton, Koeman, thought he might be a better bet playing there. Not enough thought as gone into anything at Everton this summer, and we are really suffering the consequences because of it.

He has in my eyes, done that in virtually every game he has played, what a waste of money, a ball watcher, and an over-rated player, not to mention, his propensity for picking cards up.

Alas, he is not alone either, there are a few who have cost a lot, and give us less.

The only positive from tonight, that in Benni, we have a great young lad there and definitely my Mom. Having said that, I still believe we do have some decent players to build on for the future, but there are some like Schneids who should be ushered out as soon as possible.

On Lukaku, I bet some of his haters on this forum would show him some love if he could come back for the rest of the season.All the shit about his lack of effort means fuck all when the team can't buy a goal.

Another fraud in a fraudulent regime.

40 years later, it won't click, will it? It's just a load of a old bollocks. Kids, big money corner takers and piss heads on £150k a week.

We deserve the championship.

For an hour, we had a good defensive shape, but if you play the game in your own half, you're a mistake/bad break of the ball away from conceding and that's what happened tonight.

Whoever the manager us needs to decide on his team and stick with it for some continuity.

'You are only ever one bad manager away from disaster !'
How right he was .

People like you make me laugh. Banging on about how we should get the best and look at top 6. Unless you hadn't noticed, we are shite, and can't buy a point. You think Sunderland last year said after the first few games, I know, let's get a world class manager and push for top 6?

Most of you on here seem to think we are still the force we were in the 80s. Wake up. We we are mid table mediocrity at best. We have no divine rite to get the best and finish in the top 4, just because we won a few things 30 years ago.

We are fighting for survival. Accept it

We have had two on the trot, following a safe but boring mediocre one!

They rode their luck for 45mins granted. First 15 of the 2nd half almost got the goal we craved.

A mistake, then the collapse then the usual stupidity from a player who knows better.

In all three games I've seen a plan, I've seen mistakes, and most importantly I've seen Unsworth learn.

The steps have been baby ones, but through the carnage I can see it. Thats 10 times more than under Koeman.

Question is under the firefighter we might appoint surely it would take just as long? That would be with little goodwill too.

Couple of notes on players. Pickford needs to chill out, his desire to affect the games makes him err in decision making. Best keepers are calm keepers!

Lookman did okay, best moments came from him. Still looks like the weight of the world is on his shoulders but decent I thought.

Sigurdssons quality starting to show. Some very good free kicks tonight.

Big Sam is not the manager I would want at Everton, I thought we would be above his ilk, however our form, situation and predicament leads me to believe that unfortunately a manager such as him maybe our best hope.

Whatever the board decide to do, it needs to be decided by early next week after the Watford game. At the moment I havent a clue how we will line up on Sunday or the system we will try to play so god only knows what the players must think.

I can take the stick of red noses, some make me laugh, but most of them I laugh at, because I've never met such a phoney bunch in all my life. A true red has just died, he seemed like a good man, a character who loved his club, he used to give every new manager a silver salver wishing them luck, from him and his long time match partner, who was deceased. Klopp said he treasures that salver as much as anything he's ever won in football?

I know this might upset some people, but only a fucking phoney could come out with something like that, even if it's possible the man was just trying to be nice. That title I won for 80,000 Dortmund fans, didn't mean any more than the silver salver I got off a fan when I joined Liverpool?

They call us bitter, because they don't like to acknowledge are honesty!

"In March 2014, Allardyce's West Ham were fighting to avoid relegation so you would think beating Hull City, albeit a 10-man Hull City, 2-1 at Upton Park would have been a source of jubilation for the supporters. Not so. The performance was so dire, so guileless, that the players were booed from the field at half-time, despite being 1-0 up, and at full-time, despite winning".

Is this what we want to see at Everton?

I think not.

The January transfer window is not our saviour, we could conceivably be adrift by then, who'd want to come? Discount the injured players, they are long term.

The real problem for me tonight was the lack of anyone really seeming to care, get angry, berate players. I watched Martina lay on the floor for 7 minutes and cannot recall one Everton player coming over to see if he was okay. That is absolutely unbelievable, it really really is unbelievable. Schneiderlin didn't look bothered about getting sent off and far too many of our players are spineless, with no passion, desire or drive. How this drivel that has been served up lately can be in the name of Everton football club I know not.

I don't blame Unsworth one iota for this either. Over-paid, bloated egotistic mercenaries seem to have suddenly infected our club and tonight I was saddened, not angry.

I don't know if I am right or wrong, but that is how the game left me feeling! I have been very wrong about several things this season! But yes, he was surrounded by Lyon players, not an Everton player in sight!

I really don't know what the answer is, I wish I did, but at least there is something to salvage from the wreckage.

Yes, I do believe we have some decent players, and possibly more young potential to build on, obviously need a few more come January to stem the ebbing tide.

The good thing with an ebbing tide, it can only go so far, then comes back in again.

We must play our only 2 scorers on Sunday. Niasse up top with Rooney behind him.

Sigurdson looks like he's got a goal in him so he must play too.

Did Allerdyce bring West Ham up from the Championship the year before? I think he wants the job because he believes he can do something at Everton, but maybe I'm being naive, because the way he behaved after getting the job of his dreams, maybe showed us a lot more about the man?

I echo your sentiments.

This is the reality and many need to wake up fast.

I noticed Unsworth didn't even look at him on his way off.

Shouldn't be near the first team.

The biggest worry then is that they (the players) are just not good enough.

There's no point telling them, of course.

Need to set a team up soon and stick with it !! We're all focussing on the lack of striker and goal threat but I'm more concerned with our complete inability to keep clean sheets ! If we could sort this out then at least we'd have a chance of grinding out wins?! Schneiderlin's Offering nothing towards this !!

I believe the players are good enough, but not playing as a team.

I am really at a loss as to where we go from here. I've been through the highs and lows since 1964, but cannot remember a period where we seem totally rudderless.

If Sam does come, how long will he stay?

He said after the Chelsea defeat he saw something he could work with but I fail to see what that is.

Watford will murder us. Only hope we have is if we score first (and in the first ten minutes) and really grind out a solid defensive performance.

If the bookies do a special on any EFC goalscorer at 25/1 or more I might have a dabble. If not BBC 4 it is.

He still had a better game than Schneiderlin!

There is a plethora of detritis to be segregated, evaluated, and disposed of, without any more detriment to the fans, who have had more than enough.

Trouble is, there is a considerable amount at Board level, and should the incumbent recognise this fact, he will be deemed an unsuitable candidate.

David Unsworth has had 3 difficult away games. He has been trying stuff, some of it good, some of it not so. He's probably been trying too hard.

Given where we are, and the well recognised mess of signings, and lack of them, we are better off out of the Europa and League Cups. That's not an easy thing to accept, but it's our current reality. We have one concern until January which is accumulating Premiership points. The real business starts on Sunday. I am hoping that David Unsworth can at least buy us some time so we do not make an panic- based managerial appointment.

I really can't see how we a/ can keep a clean sheet. b/ win a midfield battle or. c/ score goals. No confidence, no plan and little commitment from seasoned pro's.

My starting 11 for the game.
Southall
Stevens, Ratcliffe, Labone, Kay.
Steven, Reid, Ball.
Thomas, Sharp, Young.

Oops!!! I've just turned into Bill "those were the days" Kenwright.

There's no point in pretending the city has two serious football clubs when clearly it only has one.

The final straw, parking the bus and still losing 0-3 in a Mickey Mouse tournament.

This clubs days of being a force are long gone never to return.
A laughing stock of the highest order.

Do us all a favour and end it now.

Well I tell you what, I bet these beauts would have him back in a flash now. Be careful what you wish for and all that.

So we are likely to go down.

Would we prefer to go down trying to play our way out of trouble with a group of players who appear incapable of doing that. or stay up playing Allardyce ''take no prisoners ''type of football.

Choose the former, and you can feel good about staying true to the school of science and accept the club losing millions alternatively, go against all your previous views and give Allardyce a generous contract until the end of the season in the hope he can turn everything around.

Then bring in a new manager.

I hate advocating this approach but ,having watched the Blues since 1957, I am genuinely convinced we are likely to go down as things stand at the moment.

Pickford
Kenny Keane Jags Baines
Davies Beni Gueye Vlasic
DCL Rooney

The only one who I would also consider is Lookman, who had a good game tonight. We need to get back to basics. We need dogs of war from now on.

I take on board your opinions about the changes to formation and personnel which have had a detrimental effect.

My concern though. There are too many instances of poor quality happening throughout the players.

Whether it's a misplaced simple pass or not concentrating to track runners.

They are the basics expected and these lot can't cut it.

This I

Unsworth is obviously not to blame for this mess, but neither should he have put his name forward for the job on a permanent basis. He's not on trial here, that is not the point. The point is getting the club out of trouble as soon as possible. Likewise, Sunday is not a trial or a test for Unsworth, it is a very important game for the club, an altogether different and much more serious matter.

I wish some people on here would put paid to their apparent obsession with seeing Unsworth appointed, and focus on the more important stuff. Get your priorites right, people!

The board and owner deserve the team they have because they thought that their manager was a genius when quite a few fans were in doubt about his talent and his commitment.

The fans who watch Everton deserve far better than the team they are watching or the bric-bats they take from others for airing their views on individuals or the team as a whole.

Man U fans are also being berated by Mourinho for not recognising Lukaku's value to the team, but that's football fans for you real beauts.

Lukaku hasn't scored in 6 at Man U.

And he wouldn't have made any difference if he had led our attack through this wretched spell.

Practically nothing is being created.

I think we must pick a man with a plan in mind and stick by him.

He's become a fraud footballer and tonight he took the cowards route and let the team down. There's no excuses, he's hiding on the pitch, but why was he picked?

In summary he's not good enough for Everton.

I'm not dreadding any game at the moment. We don't have a team, that can defend, that can score goals at will, and believes in it self, and that's rank.

So it can't get any worse? Seriously this is the worst time in the last 60 years, since the last relegation, because, we need a team that believes it can win.

Killing all Evertonians, this seasons woes and sagas, it's surreal but sums up this club, Kings Dock, Dunford, Greig and the rest, BK, why and why and more, is there more? (Blight)

A life time in The Abyss, by all Evertonians (1995-2017)

Relax. Who said anything about top 6?

You sound so panicked and shrill. Take some diazepam, read your post back at the end of the season when we have survived relegation (and we will)... Breath.

We have played some of the toughest matches of the season. Had one of the shittiest managers in our history and handed the job of survival to a novice. It has been hard.

However nothing at the club right now is beyond repair.

And don't say that Ancelotti or a like for like manager is to good for Everton. It is that defeatist attitude that is currently running through our dressing room.

You cannot compare us to Sunderland. They didn't have the quality in personnel, prestige, finance or management.

Our main problem is buying 1 or 2 quality strikers, organising the squad and remembering how to win.

We can and will win before January.
We can and will buy the players we need by January.
and we can and will install a manager before January who will keep us up.

That I believe is a reality.

Of course, if it is not accepted that we are seriously threatened by relegation (a great mistake in my view) then I see why Allardyce would be down the list. As it happens, I think he could do a lot more for us than just keep us in the PL but that will be enough for me.

It's BK who finalised transfer dealings after Walsh & RK had done the spade-work. It's BK who was desperate do get the ale-house has-been back and caved in to MU's demand for Rom before their USA tour. Business-sense!!! Rom's replacements should have been signed before the disastrous Lukaku/Rooney deal.

It's down to BK we've got other hangers on like Ferguson, Ebbrell, Baxter & Jeffers - BK OUT & take them & Rooney with him - a 31-year old unfit has-been is our top-paid player!!! What did that do to dressing-room morale?

WE ARE IN DIRE TROUBLE & LIKELY TO BE RELEGATED - VERY LITTLE CAN BE DONE TO CHANGE THINGS ON THE PITCH SIGNIFICANTLYIN 2017 - IT MAY BE TOO LATE BY 2018

The players do seem to understand the formation better under Unsworth. But your right that we are still fishing for the best combination.

Whether it's 4-3-3, 4-1-2-1-2, 4-2-3-1 or 4-6-0. We've had them all in the last 3 games with multiple changes to personnel.

Are we any closer to understanding what is the best fit?

NO.

From then on it was us chasing the game again, which we simply can't do without a centre forward. DCL tries hard but he's just not going to score a huge amount of goals as he doesn't have enough presence.

Sigurdsson worked hard up front too I thought.

I'm glad we're out of Europe - I wouldn't normally say that but given our current situation, I think it's for the best since we must stay in the PL. On that note, I also don't think we're in a relegation battle - yet.

Our form is so bad that we simply have to get a win soon. One win could really move us up the league, which will make all the players, and supporters feel a whole lot better.

The main thing the players need, apart from the obvious goals, is a clean sheet. Just one would be lovely.

Unsy just isn't up to this task. One of my favourites from a lifetime ago. But this is such a pile of steaming crap that he's arrived at this point too soon and with too little quality in the squad to deliver for him.

The defence is an utter nightmare. Williams so poor at times it's like a bad dream but then Jags, Holgate, Baines, Martina .they are in a terrible place right now.

There's so much wrong but how can it have got this bad so quickly ?

If we're not we're certainly doing pretty good impersonation of one!!!

I am worried that he might walk after being relieved of the duty of the first team, and not going back to U23 at all.

I agree, I posted after the game that through the wreckage of the last three games I've seen a plan, partly executed, littered with several mistakes but no less a pathway.

I think even under duress and a shattered squad, Unsworth has learnt and corrected himself, he hasn't to my eye made the same error twice.

Too loose against Leicester or hubris whichever, he tightened up.
Against Lyon he learnt and started off tight and unwound. Had we scored at the right moment; Gana & Sigurdsson then it would have helped.

Three very different games in three competitions I think despite the gloom Sunday will click. Not spectacularly but enough for us to see a clearer picture and the win.

Me, no rush to appoint despite the clamour for it. Keep Unsworth until Xmas and revaluate. The candidates available to us are underwhelming at best, beneath us at worst.

In the transfer window, I would get rid of:

1. Schneiderin (a complete liability)
2. Klaassen (unfortunately, we don't have time to discover his skills)
3. McCarthy (because of his continuing injury issues)
4. Mirallas (flatters to deceive, does not have the stomach for a relegation fight, IMO)
5.Martina (not good enough)
6.Stekelenburg (see Martina)

And get only 2 high-quality players:
1. A LB to replace Baines (Luke Shaw)
2. A proven goal-scoring CF (Dzeko - break the bank if necessary)

Get Barkley fit and signed, Coleman, Bolasie and Funes-Mori fit, and we should be able to see out this season.

We were poor first half. We did quite well from 45 - 60 mins. The subs changed it and we collapsed, and some salutory lessons learned.

DCL cannot play upfront as his confidence has gone.

Williams has lost it. He was asleep on all 3 goals and simply can't be in the starting XI.

Schneids made a couple of good challenges but is far too immobile to play up the pitch, which he did when Gana went off.

Lookman on the right side is a diamond.

Lennon is getting back to a decent level.

Gueye missed a great chance but I thought alongside Beni he was good.

Beni was awesome.

Jonjoe is suffering from a lack of confidence.

Siggy worked very hard for the team but when he dropped deeper his decision making was poor and he was too slow on the ball.

We live in hope.

Jags, Baines and Rooney will carry a lot pf responsibility against Watford.

Unsy needs to trust Mirallas and keep on the pitch.

The formation before DCL came on was working just after half time; but replace Siggy with Rooney and Schneids with Davies.

Pickford
Kenny
Jags
Holgate
Baines

Beni
Gana
Davies

Mirallas
Rooney (Niasse)
Lennon (Lookman)

The discipline and cohesion shown in that spell is what is needed for 90 minutes in every game.

That is what Unsy, or whoever takes over, must focus on.

We will not be relegated. The side has had 3 difficult away games and are dreadfully low on confidence.

A win against Watford plus the international break to work on formations could see an uptick.

Keep the faith, unlike Geoff Evans.

He was never a ball of fire but the guy looks shot to me. He was apparently one of the Prem's longest runners in the stats'. What on earth has been going on at this club?

As previously stated I don't think any coach could turn this group of players into a reasonable PL team.

Despite the many team changes this season there are no signs anything is beginning to gel. There is little or no teamwork, most players are only interested in self preservation, they don't want to get caught with the ball so they pass sideways to the nearest man even if that man is marked. So many simple passes are short or played behind the man.

There is absolutely no team spirit in this club today. I seen something today that I have never seen in any form of football in 70 years, and for it to have involved Everton I felt disgusted.

To see a player severely injured like Martina was, lying on the ground looking as if he was paralyzed and not one so called team mate went near him.
Several Lyon players came over from different parts of the pitch to see how he was but it was not of any interest to any of the Everton players.

Rhino had one realistic chance last night and that was to give this team a chance by keeping them in the game. he did that, but they fluffed their chances. Those calling for him to be removed need to ask themselves who on earth would have been able to have won any games he has been in charge for ?
There is no bungee rope here. were are in free fall and have been playing Zombie football for over a year . . That will take more than a week to sort out.

I'm with Unsworth. I am convinced he will now know he cannot rely on Koemans signings.

We don't need Faux hard men like Williams and Schniedelin. What a pair of fannies

I also think someone needs to check the food and water in the canteen at Finch Farm. The lot of them look like something ain't right physically.

Sooner or later that bent hoof-baller is going lose the "Magic" touch and it might be with us. There are no guarantees beyond Unsworth right now, in my opinion. It's too soon to panic, and the downside of Bungy will be considerable.

Changing several players and formation every game smacks of desperation and makes the management team look like they don't have a clue. It was the same under Koeman.
We are in danger of experimenting all the way to the championship lauding green shoots as we go.

When skies are grey, and Zombies give a Masterclass against a hapless Everton.

Darren we have been playing zombie football for about 4 years now. I have no idea how to stop it but now we are in the state whereby fat Sam us being touted by many fans. How low can we go. Rhino has only had just over a week with the players so it's very hard to judge but after Leicester and last night it doesn't look good. We are in a mess there's no two ways about it. It's a terrible time to get a new manager in but there's every chance we could get firmly entrenched in the bottom 3 over the next few weeks given that we just don't look like scoring. I would give Rhino a chance if only because I wouldn't have fat Sam anywhere near our club and I'm not sure theres anyone out there who would cone right away.

How did it come to this? A decent squad left by Moyes with a never say die attitude that just needed to be taken to the next level. Now we are in serious danger of relegation so early in the season. Take a bow Kenwright, even a RS fan couldn't have planned this downfall as good. Wish he would just fuck off out of our club now and take his loser parasitic ways with him.

Doesn't he need a target man to employ his long ball tactics ?

What's he going to do for 10 weeks , Sign Kevin Davies on a free?

Who are we going to boot it up the pitch to? Lookman?

Big Sam is a joke and will be hounded out of the club in no time. It would be one of the saddest days of my time as an Evertonian if he was hired.

We could seriously get relegated unless some clear out of the deadwood and some proper spending is done in January.
Buy a fucking striker dammit!!!!!

As for Dyche, how on earth is he ambitious??? I remember us considering Malky Mackay before we hired Martinez just because he has done OK at Cardiff, no thank you.

Signing Dyche would be like signing Moyes all over again, brilliant with a shoestring budget because he had to make the average players play better football because they had no better players on the bench to push them or replace them. It's easy for a Dyche or Moyes to play the same team week after week and get solid consistent performances, because they had no better players to replace them with.

We are supposed to be at a higher level now where, just like with all the other big clubs, we can change a system and 3, 4, 5 player changes per game because that's what big clubs do to win the points and trophies,,,,,,,,which unfortunately smacks in the face of what Dyche and Moyes try to do.

Dyche HASN'T done Brilliant, he has done only OK. yes he is 7th right now but in 3 months he could be 17th and we will have wondered what all the fuss was about. Yes he got Burnley promoted twice, which is admirable, but winning two promotions from the championship compares nothing to running a huge club and with massive direction. Don't forget, Burnley was absolutely woeful away last season, and although they have had some great away results so far, we are only 10 games in, so let's not get carried away.

I will repeat, signing Dyche will be like the first step in the road if being 2 or 3 poor managers away from a good team.

I hope Martina is ok but his first 11 minutes of the game was the worst I've seen in a long time. Since when does turning your back and sticking your leg out constitute a tackle? I reckon he would have been marched if he'd played on before he got injured.

Williams .too slow and simply shite.

Holgate .not good enough for the top level.

Kenny not really as quick as what I thought.

I thought Beni was the one bright spark.

3 soft goals conceded. We need to sort the defence out.It's a shambles.

Koeman has spent a ludicrous amount of money to turn a top 7 team into relegation candidates. He will go down as one of the worst manager's in our history. What a shambles.

Instead, we went for a manager who had just gotten his team relegated. And after it all turned to shit, we go and replace him with someone worse.

Tuchel for me please.

I would much rather we were two or three managers away from being a good side (let alone one of the top teams) than being in the Championship.
This is where I think the odds are on us being, if we just go on (with whoever in charge) until the end of the season.

I think we are in danger of getting relegated even if we have a manager appointed permanently NOW. But we have a better chance of avoiding the drop with someone who knows he will have two or three years to plan for any eventuality.

We need someone who will have the backing of the board to bring in players during the January window, in at least 3 position, plus the goalscorer we are crying out for. That's a centre half, a left back and a right back at the very least. If we can, maybe we could bring in a winger on the left if there's one around who can do the job that Mirallas sometimes does.

Whatever we do as a club, I hope we do it soon, ie; Monday or at the beginning of the international break at the latest.

I think it is a risk, well, know it is a risk, whatever is done but to me, there is an extremely short window for this club to avoid relegation, if it can be avoided at all.

The sad thing , or one of them, is we do have good players but they have been plonked in a side without any thought given as to how they can contribute their undoubted skills to the benefit of the team.

Klaasen and Siggurdson, both scored at least ten goals each in their respective leagues, and they both made chances regularly for their team mates. Sandro is a proven goal scorer (admittedly in a different league) and Rooney is our top goalscorer and is also creating chances.

So we do have some creativity and some goalscoring players.

What we don't have, is a defence. If we had two, mobile, snarling take no prisoners centre halves and a left back who defends in a similar vein. That would be a start.

I think that the new players need time to develop their understanding of each others play, and personally, I'd forget about how far up the league, the under 23's are, I'd be playing Siggy, Klaasen, Sandro together in that team every week, in their proper positions and leave them to develop an understanding of each others play. And play them in their proper positions, if the first team need them.

That's only my view of course and I'd like to see Sean Dyche come in; but the central point, I feel, has to be that we need a permanent manager in now.

So often the voice of reason on here, and get's it pretty much bang on again in my view.

We were good for almost 70 minutes last night, against a very good Lyon team let's not forget. They'll do well in the EL this year, and going well in Ligue 1 too.

I agree the system was working well last night, and so was the lineup until their goal, which there was no way we could have stopped. It was pure luck the ball fell into the path of whatshisname that used to play for Chelsea.

On that note, I never understand the knee-jerk reaction when opposition players do something good against us - it always has to somehow be an Everton player at fault for literally everything that happens on the field. Not everything can be legislated for, and the opposition often do really good things against us, which you have to just hold your hand up for - they train all week as well, in case you weren't aware.

Unsworth picked a good formation last night, despite no striker, and it worked for 70 minutes. Of course he had to change it at some point, and bring DCL on - unfortunately from then on we struggled a bit as the game developed.

I'm one of those who doesn't think we'll get relegated, and I also don't think we're even involved in a relegation season yet. In fact I'd go so far as to say there's only one team flirting with relegation in the whole league at this point, and that's Palace.

I'd be tempted by Allardyce myself, just because of the situation.

We overspent on some flavour of the moment players - are we going to do the same again on a manager ?

Our number 1 priority this season is secure survival - 17th place. nothing else. once that is done we can start rebuilding over the summer and try to return to the top half of the table.

so many people on here with ridiculously rose tinted glasses, it's unbelievable. I swear some of them haven't seen our games so far this season and seen the form of the squad. just because we won the league in the 80s doesn't mean we are still a big club who can compete toe to toe with the Spurs, City, Utds etc.
utterly deluded.

I think Unsy going week by week as temporary, is unfair on him; and I also think that as each game goes by without someone given the opportunity to plan for the January break, the more we will drift.

Whoever the Board decide to put in charge, I'd hope they make that a choice for a permanent manager. I hope they wouldn't waitfor a "Big Name" who'd come in, as I think the Big Name would laugh his socks off.

We've played ONE Premier League game! It was an away game and we got beaten. There was a much improved effort but completely lacking in quality. Now the coach can't do much in 6 days about the lack of quality in key positions.

Other than that there was an away game at Chelsea after a day's preparation. We acquitted ourselves well - probably our best performance this season (I know that's setting a very low bar).

Then there was an away game at Lyon. A team that is well ahead of us. In a comp that we were almost certainly out of but it's contributing to us playing twice a week when we have survival to worry about. With a massive game coming up on Sunday. He understandably picked a very weakened side. I was thankful that we didn't get a rugby score put past us but I had honestly stopped caring about the comp - nothing more than an unwelcome distraction from a serious need for league points. Hopefully the traveling blues treated it like a short holiday. I know some of my mates did.

Sunday is where Unsworth will be judged. Can he pick a team that will get the crowd going? I'm feeling confident. 4-4-2. Attack in numbers. Yes we'll concede; the defence pretty much picks itself and it's shit. But we can get men up and down the pitch, in and around the box, taking shots.

Did anyone really think we were likely to win at Chelsea & Lyon? I certainly didn't. I also don't fully blame Koeman for the mess - the mess was created primarily by whoever failed to replace Lukaku, and that for me is the bottom line in all of this.

I read some comments from Martin Keown about the Giroud thing, where he said that Koeman had Giroud up at Finch Farm, and he (Giroud) decided not to sign for us - at that point the club should have had another striker lined up waiting in another room (yes, right there & then) to sign for us instead. This is the problem we have - we have no focal point, nobody to put the ball in the net, nobody in the box the players trust, which affects our entire style of play from front to back. DCL spends half his time running the channels, and Rooney drops deep all the time - remember when everyone used to moan about Lukaku standing around up top? Always offside? Hanging on the arm of the last defender? Do you see WHY he does that now? Get it? Notice how we struggle without a powerful, recognised striker doing that? Am I the only one who can see this pattern?

seriously? you think we are ticking along fine and will be fine and not even near a relegation scrap. ok then.

as for Sunderland
players - they had Defoe, one of the most consistant strikers in the league for the past 10 years - you wouldn't want him in our squad at the moment? I would!
prestige - yeap, can't beat a bit of prestige, that's going to get us at least 10 points and secure our survival. oh, I forgot, old trophies from 30 years ago mean sod all in a relegation fight!
Finance - yeah, we may have more money, but it's only good if you spend it correctly!
Management - this is the best one! you seriously think we have better management? Given the dross we have signed this summer, the lack of foresight to replace aging players? the complete lack of formation. BK being unable to take the club forward and making shit decisions. SW for not pushing for players to plug the OBVIOUS gaps in the squad. The multiple failed stadium moves. shall I go on?

our main problem is to but 1 or 2 strikers?! if only. we need a whole back 4 as well to replace old players and provide cover.

sounding panicked? yes I am. for the first time in over 30 odd years (except maybe walter smiths year) I fear we have a real chance of going down. people who say we are a big club, too much prestige to go down, blah blah, are simply deluded.

Yes, we can get out of it, if we appoint the right manager and make some shrewd buys in January. However I don't have the confidence in the board to get that right.

Of course we're struggling, and we're all wondering where the goals & points are going to come from, but I'm also one of those that doesn't think relegation needs to be talked about in November, when one win can move us up that much.

I think that's what people mean when they say we're not in a relegation fight - yet.

Blame now, gets us nowhere. I think it's well known throughout every team in the league, what our weaknesses are and, somehow, we have to put them right while playing competitive teams who are either aiming for the top spots, or trying not to get into the position we are in. Pretty obvious, I know and I'm not in any way knocking Unsworth for the job he's done so far. Nor do I expect him to wave a magic wand and put right what has been wrong

I just think we have either got to give him some time, and also some power. If the board don't give whoever it is in charge for the rest of this season, then I think the chances of us getting out of this mess will diminish with each game that passes.

This isn't a knee jerk reaction, it is a view I have. I've watched EFC for donkeys years and, apart from Mike Walkers, reign, this is the most dangerous situation I think we've been in.

Looks like he is coming though. Wish it was possible to resign as an Evertonian, I have tried, but for reasons I cant explain I always come back

"Just when I thought I was out. They pulled me back in"

I mentioned the striker thing really because Keown had brought up what he believes SHOULD have happened. To my mind that view is borne out of reality, and the way he's seen other clubs (Arsenal?) do business in the past.

Then they got a fortunate bounce, the crucial first goal and heads dropped as the lack of confidence seeped out.

I feel sorry for Unsworth as I genuinely think he has us playing better and we've just not had much luck (ricochet first goal last night, stonewall pen at Leics etc) but ultimately bad luck is irrelevant and results are the bottom line.

Watford therefore is crucial.

If we lose then sadly I think Unsworth has failed his audition. If we win or even if we draw but play well then I hope he'll get more time as it looks clear to me that he actually has some discernible tactics and is getting more out of most of the players than his predecessor.

On another note I thought Schneiderlin was a disgrace last night. Slow, error prone and contributing nothing other than a needless red card. When I think that Schneiderlin, Siggurdsson and Klaassen cost almost £100m between them it makes my blood boil! If we could get £70m back for the lot of them I'd be delighted but wishful thinking I fear.

I agree with you about where the blame lies for the mess we are in; and I don't think it lies with the players either. Yep, they're professionals but they're also men and their confidence is shattered. I think Unsworth has done a better job in two weeks than RK has done in 18 months, in addressing the need for supporting our players and giving them a sense of belief.

He's also made a better fist of organising the team in this short time and getting them to fight.

I think my fear is that if the players get to feel that Unsy, or anyone one else, is only in charge temporarily, they might well feel like "What the hell is going on." and then lose even more confidence.

If I felt Unsy could do the job I think is needed, then I'd hope he was given permanent charge. But then I also think the team needs strengtheneing in January, in the defence at the very least, as well as the best goalscorer we can get our hands on.

Perhaps the lads I mentioned, Klassen, Siggy and Sandro would benefit from playing togethger for a few weeks in the reserves and then maybe they will be more effective for us. But time is short and I'm definitely like corporal Jones "Don't Panic!" while panicking away like no ones business!

The fact is, we set up 4-5-1. Mostly played 4-6-0. If you can find solace in that performance with 10 men behind the ball, then great, maybe we can take a spud gun to their bazooka when we play the red shite.

This team will not win a game with DCL up front, he hasn't had a kick for over a dozen games. I don't know what's happened with Sandro, he scored 14 in 30 appearances for Malaga last season, so at least he should offer us something up top?

It's a common theme, but are not playing the players strengths. This is the first thing any manager needs to address. This is why you pay the big money. They get the most out of what's at their disposal. Allardyce will play exactly the same. 4-5-1 with lone strikers chasing balls down the channels. Remind you of anyone?

The fact any manager is praised for setting up to 'make us solid' and then players are lauded for running a bit more has me very concerned. Seriously fellas, a Sunday League manager could set us this team that way.

Page one of football for dummies: 4-5-1.

Until that gets fixed, possibly in January, we're going to struggle.

I would also be playing Sandro in every game - the kid does know where the goal is - you don't score 16 in 30 in La Liga and suddenly forget how to finish. Play him.

I totally agree regarding David Unsworth having an impossible start 3 away games at Chelsea, Leicester (playing in front of a new manager) and Lyon who are 3rd in the French league. Did anybody really expect anything other than the results we got.

Being an old cynic I think the board have already decided who they want, but they delayed making a decision like the gutless group they are. As they didnt want to give the new manager such a tough start, and if the results had been the same and they probably would imagine the pressure they as a board would have been under. So sadly I think even if we beat Watford I don't think they will give Unsworth any more time.

I would love to know the brief that Steve Walsh was given when he joined. Was it we cant compete in buying players that the top 6 can buy so lets get as many good young players before they become known. Or is he involved in selecting players for the first team, and if he has well it doesnt seem to be working out too well. Obviously we will never know who decided to bring in 3 number tens yet no strikers, as part of Koemans pay off will be a confidentiality clause which will stop him writting in the press about it.

I hear all this nonsense about they thought Giroud would sign, we needed at least 2 if not 3 strikers. We could have gone for Llorente and Dzeko but no we had Giroud in the bag. Now I thought Koeman came here saying he wanted to play a high pressing game, and yet proceeds to sign Rooney,Klassen and Sigurdsson. None of which have any pace about them.

Finally I would question what Moshiris intentions are, he came in and bought 49.9% of the club. Some thought that maybe his pal Usmanov would eventually buy the other 50%, but that seems highly unlikely at present. Kronke has said he and his son will be at Arsenal for a very long time, so if Usmanov had nay intention of selling his shares at Arsenal and buy into Everton that would be taking place and it isn't.

Yes, that is the very least a club should expect, but we weren't getting that for so long, it is a welcome development than the utter capitulations we have seen.

If we can get a manager who's very least expectationis is that every player has to perform that way in every game. That doesn't mean to say that expectations should not be higher, they should be much higher.

We however, appear to be watching our players going back to school to learn the basics. The fact that they appear to be learning something, is a sign of hope...hence the praise.

There's lots more to go though, even to get us away from the bottom 3.

Whatever or whoever we choose, to get those basics right, and build on them with better players (and I think we need to massively improve our mobility in defence, as well a getting in another goalscorer) then we have to play with what we have

Silk purses and sows ears comes to mind.

It's got to such a low point that even rival fans can't be bothered to bait us. Good job, Moshiri, Kenwright and co.

It was said in a really quaint, gentle, yet almost disparaging way - we're a fucking soft touch, a footnote in history, a dinosaur and in no way seen as as threat to anyone.

Kenwright has created us in HIS image. Soft, doughy, cuddly even - non threatening, likeable, amiable and easy to approach.

Our football is exactly the same.

How Moshiri fucked up big time? I don't know?

We seriously could go down now after this debacle that has been created over the last 18 months.
In fairness to Moshiri, I think Emery was the first choice before he settled on the dour Dutchman.

We haven't had a plan on playing the game for ages now apart from Gueye and Schneiderlin starting each game.

I'm afraid Unsworth isn't the answer. He may be a true blue but he has no experience outside youth coaching. His team selection proves it. In fairness, he has had 3 tough away games but we have been beaten well in these games apart from playing Chelsea's second string.

We all dream of an Ancelotti or Tuchel but they won't come to us while we're in this total pile of Shite.

For me Dyche is the man, he's done wonders at Burnley and they don't play bad football. Hendricks goal against us, Barca would be proud of.
People are put off because his name isn't Juan Dychelli or something like that and he's a ginger.
Big Sam could be an option but his football is prison football and we have no target man to lump it up too. Plus he's dodgy as hell.

Simeone would be my choice if we were in a better situation.
But make no mistakes, whoever comes in has one of the toughest jobs in world football to rectify this mess.

I just hope a striker or two, centre half, left back and winger are lined up on January 1st because we desperately need it and a proper, no nonsense, tactically astute coach is in the helm otherwise we will be welcoming second tier football next season for the first time since 1954, which we may never recover from.

Can we get him registered as a free agent and play him?

Somehow the team has to aqcuire as many points as possible prior to the window opening, however, the way our club operate until January 31st when we host Leicester City. After the Leicester home match Everton will have 13 Premier League fixtures to play, including games against Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City.

Waiting for the window to open is not an option the solutions have to be found immediately with the players we have in the squad right now.

Nonetheless, we still regard ourselves as Evertonians and can hold a view on how the Club is run and the people running it. What we can't do is influence in any way how they get into such a bloody mess.

I'm almost to the point of nor caring !!!!

Well said Ciaran. My guess about the choice of Koeman, is that Moshiri thought his skill as a manager was in keeping with his skill as a player. Whatever the reason, Mr Moshiri has done what he said his job was,hiring and firing, he's sacked the manager for not doing the job he was paid for.

Hopefully now, he'll do the hiring...and take no notice whatsoever of Kenwright's advice.

I hope too, that he'll go for Sean Dyche and allow Dyche to bring in in January, whoever he thinks will improve the team from those available. I agree that a Centre Half, Left Back, and recognised goalscorer is an absolute minimum.

I think Unsy ought to go out and learn the trade as a manager and hopefully, he'd be in the running for a big job in a few years. To expect him to do what is almost a resucitation job on this club, is asking too much of him; and if the worst happens and we go down, the outcome is nightmarish.

One thing I hope is that Mr Moshiri stays with us. Then I hope he'll say farewell to Boys Pen Billy and to Elstone and the rest of the cronies. If he's going to spend more money on this club, then he needs as top class team of advisers and executives to help him, not the bash street kids.

Then we might start beginning the climb back towards the top...but it's a bloody long way from where we are now, both in the team and in the club.

The reaction of the players spoke to Martina's injury spoke volumes to me. It then made me ask myself, how can I really get behind this bunch of players?

Jus sayin...

I truly hope that if Unsy stays, he'll get us those wins, and more but I think we have no time on our side to keep putting off a decision to basically, save this club from relegation.

I realise I might be panicking. I can't see though, that David Unsworth is the right man for a permanent post as manager. If he isn't then I think for the situation that we are in, Seaun Dyche, if he will come, is our best bet for a0 survival and b) for progress.

Without a striker we're snookered, and that applies to whoever takes over. To be completely honest, I reckon they could appoint you, me, or the bloke who runs my chippy until January, but unless we buy a striker (or ignite Sandro/Niasse) I don't see much changing.

This is a watershed moment for us but I think we need to hold our nerve, unless a marquee manager is interested, as neither of the two candidates most mentioned are exactly mouthwatering prospects are they?

I just sincerely hope that the board know something we don't.

It was nuts to and get rid of Koeman panic is never the best way . But Fat Sam is a nightmare. This is a deeply flawed team but we have good players it is just very difficult to play every game from behind.

Schneiderlin was a complete disgrace yesterday. I never want to see him pull on our proud Blue shirt again. Lets start rebuilding our team spirit from that point.

What I saw was an Everton team that played for 70 minutes with more shape and discipline than I
I have seen in the last three years.

Case in point. Lookman did a great job in covering wide but once he got back he switched off and he let his man get off his shoulder whilst ball-watching. He did this a few times and Williams gave him an almighty blocking. He moaned but he took notice. Discipline, shape.

We had two tight lines that moved together up and down the pitch. We had width.

We knew from the home game that Lyon were no great shakes. They are mid-table PL at best, and run out of steam and ideas fairly quickly. Not interested in how good they are in France, the French league is shite.

Sigurdsson as a CF was a massive compromise and we were a bit wary about pushing up to give support in the first half but after the break we did and we had a couple of good chances.

We gave away a ridiculous goal but, instead of keeping the shape that had got us something DU totally abandoned any shape at all. We went headless. I was surprised it ended at just 3.

Sunday we absolutely need the same formation and shape. We need to make clean sheets a priority. With a full squad to choose from and the practice of Thursday and with a Watford team with little real pace we can win the game.

Announce the new manager, might he have had an input on the shape and tactics Thursday do you think, on Monday.

Two weeks to work on defensive discipline and we are off and running.

All the people on here talking about two up front, no defensive midfield players are barking mad.

Are you expecting the other teams above us to stop playing games so we can catch up?,"A couple of wins could put us in the top 10."

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Are you related to him Frank, cause I (along with the majority on here) thought he was utter shite.

Anonymous in the first half, never plays a forward pass, slides into tackles far too often (1st goal), lack of awareness (2nd goal) and the sending off!

He should be docked his wages.

We need a striker as focal point to play up top. I know Siggy was stop-gap last night so hopefully we don't see him there again as the system may have worked but quite frankly it's a waste to have him there as he couldn't influence the game. Niasse has to start. I don't think DCL or Sandro can play this position. I'd like to see Sandro play off him as the 2nd striker. Drop Schneiderlin for Davies.

Free the shackles off Lookman and let him run at them.