Everton linked with another young Argentine

I do not know anything about this fella. However, I just read Maradona said HE should have been given the job at Man Utd instead of Ole Gunnar Solskjær. Made me laugh. Guess he thinks the cocaine in Manchester suits his needs…

Anyway, just because a guy is Argentinian doesn't mean he's a good footballer. I'd rather wish for more European players. Less trouble and easier regarding work permit etc.

It does appear that other European leagues have far less difficulty bringing in footballing talent from other parts of the world without the hindrance of them having to play sufficient amount of games for their senior national teams. If the EPL wants to remain the world's favourite league to watch, then the home office should not be hindering the transfers of players who have not played sufficient games for their national teams. The home office does not put the same restrictions on other professions such as doctors, nurses and engineers from other countries, so, should not be restricting footballing talent from other countries.

Supposedly his agent traveled to London to get his work permit -- according to a certain tabloid. That story doesn't even make any sense as it is the prospective employer e.g. Everton who would have to conduct that process and not his agent.

Not sure about this joker based on his name: Adolfo. Did his grandfather emigrate to Argentina on a U-boat in the mid 40s?

@Steavey#1
If you think getting work permits for foreign players is hard now just wait till after Brexit because those rules will apply to EU players as well as non-EU players. So no more picking off the best EU young players by rich PL clubs including us. Just our luck really. The rich four, lately six, clubs have benefitted from EU membership for decades and now when Everton finally have a rich owner with cash to spend along comes Brexit.

I don't agree with you Steavey, I think its good that the number of foreign players is restricted. The only problem is that its not restricted enough. I want to watch an English league with lots of English players in it, I want young English players to get opportunities to play for their home clubs in the top division. I want the foreign players who play in England to be absolutely top class and a joy to watch, not Cuco Martina, Denis Stracqualursi and Mikael Madar.

Its hard to get every single case right, and of course at Everton we want to just sign whoever we like, but the game, and the government for that matter, is right to have certain restrictions rather than an absolute free for all. As for doctors, nurses and engineers, they're much more useful people than footballers, and they don't take the places of British workers, they fill jobs that would otherwise be unfilled.

Mike, how dare you come on here and talk sense. You can stick your "voice of reason" crap. :-)

"I want to watch an English league with lots of English players in it,"
What do you mean by English? Are you sure you don't mean British? Scots, Welsh, and Northern Irish need not apply presumably?
Everton have had a lot of English players in it for years. How much success have we had? Zero. We're lucky to be still in the PL considering how crap we've been for decades. The fact is that the likes of City, Arsenal. Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd etc have plenty of English players. But as soon as they play you can see how poor they are compared to the foreign contingent. One thing you can say about PL clubs is that they don't discriminate. They only want top players regardless of where they come from and if the English ones can't cut it, especially in their own country that is hardly the fault of the clubs. The total lack of success of the national side is proof enough of that.
I want to see a side made up of the best players be they English or otherwise. It doesn't bother me in the least what country a player comes from as long as he can cut it at the top level. The fact is that these days English players only look good if you surround them with foreign players. This why we are trying to get Zouma. Because he improves Keane. Gomes is a better midfield player than any English player we have
at the club. He makes Davies look like a clodhopper. Every player we are linked with is foreign.
So I would think that anything that makes it more difficult to recruit foreign players is not going to benefit Everton at all.

Let's just hope it's not pronounced Gash. Seriously, we need a striker who can contribute next season. Not another Henry, who I remain to be convinced actually exists and isn't just an accounting trick. Years to come we'll be asking where's the Henry money Bill. Meanwhile, we're reportedly also chasing Sosa who is also looking for an elusive work permit.

Mike, you may disagree with me, but the Home Office is discriminating against professional footballers. They don't discriminate against other professions who get work permits such entertainers and writers. And the idea that Everton can produce their own talent is a misnomer as very few players in the past 20 years have made the grade. Only Rooney made the grade and became a great player. Some like Osman and Hibbert helped to make Everton a decent team, but not a great one. The last time Everton had a great team was 32 years ago. That was also the last time Everton won the premier league. At this rate, Everton will never win the premier league when far wealthier clubs will win the premier league, year after year.

This is so typical of many deals that Everton want to make.
There is always some glitch or other stumbling block to getting players in so that they can get some playing time in during the warm up games and be ready (if they have impressed) for the start of the season proper.
Okay, they may be younger players who may start off with the under 21' s etc. but you can see my point.

It is likely to be last minute deals once again in August with asking prices inflated.

Steavey, plenty of football players get work permits, and presumably plenty of entertainers and writers have them denied, we just don't hear about them.

Frank, I didn't say only English players, there's plenty of room for any other nationalities, I'm just saying it's sensible to have some restrictions.

A point you both seem to have missed is that greater restrictions on foreign players would hit all clubs, not just us, so my comment isn't really about the state of the Everton team, it's more about the state of the English game. I'd like to see closer links between a club and its fan base, something which has basically disappeared with clubs like Arsenal. I think I'd have given up by now if I supported them.

Pat (#8), wasn't Adolf's "gash" some sort of ludicrous 'tache?

I've predicted several times now, but I believe the work permit system will be scrapped after Brexit. There will be a set number of non-UK players in the squad and then again for the XI and after that we will be able to sign who we like, no need for work permits, just limited spots in the squad and the match side.

I have faith in Brands and Silva so I'm happy to wait and see (with this and other links such as Sosa) but I can't help but think this model of recruitment belongs in the Moyes or Martinez era when taking a risk on young foreign talent was a necessity due to budget restrictions.

Additionally, I would rather we pick up the best up-and-coming talent from the Championship – Leicester buying Madison this time last year from Norwich as an example.

Mike, at present, the only players who qualify automatically for work permits are EU citizens and players outside the EU who have made at least 75% appearances for their national senior teams. This situation disadvantages Everton, because Everton do not receive the same income as the top 6 teams have, so can't easily compete financially in the transfer market.

Liverpool could win the Champions League because they bought the best defender in the world from Holland and one of the best goalkeepers in the world from Brazil. The advantages Liverpool have enjoyed are also enjoyed by Chelsea and Manchester United in the transfer market. If all clubs had the same transfer budget, Everton could win the Premier League in the near future. But, as it stands, the Home Office favours wealthier English clubs. And that is discrimination on financial grounds.

Steve - 16 - I agree with you about the bigger clubs being favourited, it stinks ,in my opinion, we should let these Billionaires pump money into the clubs. It's no different to what John Moores did with us.

Chelsea and City have no problem with that, they are now only wanting the billionaires in the Champions League status quo, it's always been that way like the old G14 was it? Although I think they Sold Coutinhio and for the same money and got those two in. They have also been very good at trading players – even the money for Solakne was silly.

Steavey, Van Dijk went from Celtic to Southampton, we could have bought him, we chose not to. Richer teams will always have an advantage in the transfer market, it's got nothing to do with the nationality of the players.

Steve, I favour a system like that. You can sign whoever you like, but only a certain number of them can be ‘foreign' so you're less likely to waste a spot on someone unworthy. We'd probably need 3 categories of player: 1) England qualified, 2) Outright ‘foreign', 3) British and Irish passport holders who aren't qualified for the England national team. This third category isn't strictly necessary, but I'd want it so that the English league supports the English National team.

Mike, when governments interfere with the transfer market, distortions take place with wealthier clubs been more favoured than lesser clubs, because they can afford to buy players with visa requirements when lesser clubs can't. So fans may find that the top 6 is a glass ceiling because the top 6 can afford the transfers, pay larger salaries and promise European football, while the lesser clubs can't.

European clubs are also more favoured by the Home office, than English teams, because they can sign who they like wherever they are from. Spain and Portugal traditionally have always signed players without any visa requirements at cheaper prices from South America so clubs can be more competitive in European competitions but with smaller financial outlays.

Put this one in the “failed work permit” file.

Adolf Gaich? Kieran #4 you could be right about this one.

That's a very good point Steavey @16, and just shows how this unfair advantage, is all about helping the top teams.

Liverpool won the Champions League last week with two English players in their starting line-up, and Chelsea probably started with even less when they won the Europa League.

So you can buy top players for a fortune, but you can't buy top young talent because they haven't been developed enough just yet? So why don't we go the whole hog, and go back to how it was when Man Utd were dominating English football, but could only play 3 Non-English players in Europe?

English football needs ripping up in my opinion, but it's never going to happen though. Young players need to play every week, which is something that hasn't happened for the Everton players who won the Under-20s World Cup two years ago, because the system is back to front.

Making rules that's going to help English football become better at international level, would only wreck the cash-cow, which is the Premier League, so it's all just contradictions, and unfair advantages for the rich.

This is obviously of another South American talent-spotting missions of Marcel Brands, most probably when he first laid eyes on Sosa, and I believe these are the sort of players who could possibly be worth a lot in the future, and who is worth getting now.

I know there will be Work Permit Issues but, if we can get these lads in and loan them to a decent European side and monitor their development until any Work Permit Issues are resolved, we have got them for a lot less than when they are the next Aguero... and out of our reach.

My understanding of the work permit rules are based on their country's FIFA ranking.

Argentina = 11
Nigeria = 42

An Argentinian player would need to play 45% of his country's full international matches over 2 years, and 1 year if under 21 years of age.

Sosa and Gaich are both 20 years old and no international caps. Therefore, 45% of nothing over 1 year = nothing.

There are also immigration points to be taken into consideration. Tier 2 applications require 70 points as a starting point. 50 points if agreed by the FA, 10 points for being financially secure and 10 points for the command of English.

There is also a Tier 5 application which is similar and last for 1 year if the player doesn't have sufficient command of the English language. They can take a test after a year and, if successful, remain for a further 2 years as per Tier 2.

Basically. signing either of them and loaning them straight back looks like the only option to me, and wait until (if) they gain sufficient full international caps.

With regard to Henry Onyekuru, Nigeria are 42nd in Fifa rankings and therefore he needs to have played 75% of their international fixtures (not sure that friendlies count) over 2 years.

Henry has 7 caps. Somebody on a previous thread (apologies to the author) indicated that he would need 21 caps to qualify for a work permit.

Bottom line, we are unlikely to see any of them in the near future. Then post-Brexit... who knows?

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Sorry for the double post.

And doubly sorry, Ray!

I get the 'worth the risk' with these transactions but it would appear we identify the no chancers when it may be simpler to pay a little more for others of international standard or those already established in other European leagues.

Anyway why not stick to the Brazilians, the other 2 have been successful surely they can encourage a few mates to joint the blue revolution.

Signing lads like this could be our business model.

Look at Chelsea, they have their ways, like everyone looks at the money they lost on Lukaku, Salah and De Bruyne, but in reality terms, they actually made a decent-sized profit on the trio without ever really playing them.

Weve done something similar with Onyekuru, we have struggled with a work permit, but we can still make a big profit on him if we choose to sell him.

Maybe both Sosa and Gaich could be our next project like this, we could spend 㿅/30m on the pair, get them on 5- or 6-year deals and loan them out, let's see if they gain a work permit as we get a fee to farm them out on loan to Turkish or German clubs.

This is an avenue no other English club seems to be going down and last time something like this happened Mascherano and Teves joined West Ham and both turned out decent investments.

Just a thought!

Tony - I agree that English football needs ripping up but I would cast the net further afield. The game globally, is screwed and thus skewed.

I love this Club and would never walk away but unless the comet hits, we all know in our heart of hearts that future success will be as rare as the proverbial hen's teeth.