Everton approach Juve about Kean

I know Brands has been reported as saying that he wants an overall younger set of players but I'd assumed he meant more that he wanted a team, or the core of a team, that would spend a long time playing together. This would be the third such young player that in whom Everton's interest has been reported along with Sosa and Gaitch.

Has this journalist been known to have contacts at Juve or any accuracy in these matters?

Best rumour ever! Next to 0% chance of happening but what a signing he would be!

Moyesy at Juve?!

Personally, I'm not Keen.

Palace away first day

Big yes here - though I imagine only a loan would be remotely feasible.

I think there is legs in this one. If you look at what may happen in the transf

I think there is legs in this one. If you look at what may happen in the transfer market. Lukaku looks as though he will be leaving Utd with his likely destination being Inter, after he has publically said again yesterday that he loves the league and thinks Antonio Conte is the best manager in the world. That leaves the door open for Icardi to join Juventus which has been mooted for most of the summer so far. If Juve have Ronaldo, Dybala, Icardi all as options up front, it may make sense to let Kean leave, even if it is a loan, which it most probably would be unfortunately. I realise there’s a lot of ifs and buts here, but this is the first time we have been linked with a forward and I have genuinely thought it could come off.

About as likely as a sunny day in June

Thid lad is absolute class. If there was a 40-50million buy option, it'd be one of the steals of the window.

This lad and Richarlison swapping flanks with DCL in the middle. Sexy stuff.

Unlikely, though.

This guy is utter quality. There is no way he will join us, the big 4 will be sniffing around and he will go to a champions league team.

He will also cost a fortune, out of our league.

I'd love him to join, just don't think it's got much chance.

If you don't ask you don't get and even then you might not get but at least you tried. It will be good for the kid and EFC as 2019/20 will be a great season and I recommend Tratattorria 51 in Southport for some great Italian food.

If he joins us I’ll join speedo Mick in donning a pair of budgie smugglers for a game!

If only...the boy is class!

Won’t happen. Why would they sell?

Realistically, we should look to the Italian market for a striker. Typically, Otalian strikers have done well in England. Some very well. Their game is based around having very few chances due to the defensive nature of Italian football

A double swoop for Berardi and Andrea Belotti should be a priority for us

@10 Kean plays up front, so there would be no need for DCL if he joined. Thank goodness.

I don’t believe it. If Juve wanted to loan him there would be (with respect) better options than Everton for him.

His stats are really good for his age. If there's anything to this, I would say a big Yes!

The best rumours so far.

Why isn’t Everton a good option, No European football but surely playing in The EPL, would compensate for that?

Alot of praise for someone who has not done that much yet! I agree that he looks a very promising player but he's only started about 20 senior games.

I'm not that interested in loan players who come with no option fee. Last summer I could forgive it as Brands/Silva did not have a great deal of time to get to know the squad and work out their needs. This summer I would hope that the only loans we get will have purchase options and I cannot see Juve agreeing to that in this case.

However if Juventus get Icardi in and don't sell Dybala they may decide to balance the books by selling a youngster whose pathway to first team is blocked. If we put in a bid of £30m+ then perhaps they'd be tempted. Not that i'm totally convinced he is worth it.

Tony 18

I don't see Juve loaning him anywhere given he is the "young prodigy" right now. But if they did, there are other CL teams out there that need a striker. For example, Dortmund, Athletic Madrid to name two. If he wanted to come to England, Man U would probably cough up more cash plus they have Europe if not CL. I just don't see how it would benefit Juve to loan him to Everton right now.

Why not Sam? The lad joined the Juve first team mid season, got 7 goals in 17 games. He has 2 in 3 for Italy. He's just 19. All in the while being disgustingly racially abused by fans. Every time I saw him, admittedly few in the CL as a sub, he looked a player.

Italy has serious racism problems, especially with their current ultra-right mussolini loving government encouraging racism.

Maybe he's up for a move to get games and away from all that. He'd be a steal. Behind Mbappe, one of the most exciting young forwards in Europe.

Kieran - disagree about the need for strikers at those clubs.

Dortmund have Alcacer, Reus and just signed Hazard.
Athletico have Costa, Morata and Kalinic.

We'd surely be able to offer him first team football. He won't be starting for Juve for a couple of years given Ronaldo/Dybala and possibly Icardi being there.

I’ve just seen him at John Lennon Airport with Riquelme carrying his bags!!!

Serious note don’t rule it out, if we as fans can see what’s being built then surely players/agents have an even bigger understanding of this and get insider knowledge.

Watch this space

Robert 22

Alcacer can’t play 90 mins he only comes of the bench. Hazard isn’t a striker and Rey’s is injury prone. Athletic haven’t signed Morata yet and even if they do Marca report they are looking for another striker.

Neil @ 23, I think they are just doing a 'recce of all the chippies' so don't read too much into it. :-)

Obviously this lad even on loan would be a major, if unlikely coup, but you never know until it either does, or doesn't happen.

The other lad we have been linked with Adolfo Gaich is certainly acquitting himself well in the U-20's, I believe he has scored 3 times already.

This kid has only got one year left on his contract, so he won’t be going on loan anywhere unless he signs a new one.

If he doesn’t sign then he will be sold, especially because of the rule that lets young players join teams in a different country for a pittance?

Tony, didn't realise that about only one year left on his contract, so there could be a bit more to this. Trouble is we only get snippets of information fed to us, obviously M Brands is aware of who is on what. Maybe they will cash in on him if he has refused to sign a new deal, or maybe they haven't even offered one yet.

You can almost bet he's got a greedy agent somewhere 'advising him on the best deals'. I wonder if there would be any Work Permit issues with him?

Loads of questions, Derek, but the only answer I have, is that I've just read that Juve have made a mistake leaving this kid with only one year remaining on his contract, and Moshiri has a very good relationship with his agent, through his ties to Lukaku.

Although Italian football appears to have been in a general decline over recent years I still rate it as one of the most highly technical and tactical leagues in the world.

If you can score goals there you will score them anywhere. Players with high assist and goal tallys in that league are usually pretty special. If we find a genuine proven striker from that league we will be on to a good thing.

Would he need a work permit? If so, forget him.

Colin,

He’s Italian. So no need for a work permit. Brexit hasn’t happened yet thankfully!

Imagine
I mean, there is no hope of this happening, I know it, you know it but imagine !

I would deffo do a happy dance.

If Brands can make this happen, the sky is the limit

At least hopefully

Entirely possible and an intelligent move - he will arrive on loan and get a lot of game time, which he might not at so-called bigger clubs.

If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Signing two19-year-old youngsters with potential will be a huge gamble, no other club is going down this road.

Why aren't we getting a proven experienced goal scorer that we so badly need, to push us nearer the top six? I can only imagine we are skint again.

Trevor - we've bought proven experienced players in bucketloads, it's not worked.

Think Williams, Schneiderlin, Walcott, Bolasie, Rooney from England, and Klaassen from abroad.

Why not invest in potential?

Kevin, which other club has ever bought 19 year old players and improved? Sure we've bought bought loads of crap experienced players, but that's down to having crap managers.

Good experienced players is what we need in the age range of 23 to 28 years old. Just like we bought or loaned last summer in fact. Potential is what we already have in DCL and Lookman.

It's being reported everywhere that a deal for Andre Gomes is imminent, on a deal worth £120k per week. Just type Andre Gomes into Google to see all the reports.

First post.

Hi,

Fran @22 painted the picture quite clearly concerning the racial politics of (mostly) Southern Italy.
Even Lazio Roma has some hard core fascists among their fans.
There was one match in particular when Kean was really getting abused. To make matters worse, the club captain (the name escapes me at the mo) said a lot of it was Kean's fault for taking the bait and having a go back.
Imagine this for a young kid, not getting the support he should be getting.
Maybe Juventus recognises the situation, and think he can mature somewhere else in a more sheltered environment.
If so, it's a win-win situation.
We get a very good prospect on loan, and who knows what Marcel Brands can get into the small print concerning buying the player.

Francis,
Congratulations on your first post and a very good one it is.

It is always good to read knowledgable feedback.

Trevor - unfortunately experienced proven players rarely want to come to us. Even last season, the players we signed weren’t proven experienced players, they were Barcelona reserves (a gamble, but one that paid off), a Brazilian winger from the Russian league who could easily have been the next Bilyayetdinov, a goal scoring winger who hadn’t scored for 8 months and a young centre back who still had a lot to prove.

We’re in the market of trying to buy players before they become proven, at that stage they want to go to the sky 6 clubs. I reckon we couldn’t even name a striker who the majority on here would agree that he would get 15 goals and come to us for a reasonable price.

I have to confess to not really knowing anything much about this fella. There seem to be quite a few informed opinions on here - is that from following SerieA, obviously more closely than I do, or have you being watching Youtube footage, where he does look a pretty useful piece of business actually?

Based on what I've read on here (for the most part) and my own quick squint on Youtube I will keep my fingers crossed on this one and hope it's not just more news for the sake of it.

Many on here lament the fact that we have not replaced Lukaku seemingly forgetting that at 19 and 20 he was a goal machine, it is only since he has gone to Utd that the goals have dried up. If we can get Kean - loan or permanent signing - bring him on.

Seb Haller looks the best bet for us, not sure about Kean.

Francis, it was Chiellini that made that comment

Andrew - was Bonnucci wasnt it?

Just googled it Danny, you're right

Seems a rum state of affairs when we take players on loan in order that they get playing experience while we send our own out for just the same reason. If Mr Brands is all we build him up to be we should be looking for somebody on a more permanent basis not somebody even as good as reported blocking the improvement we hope for in Calvert-Lewin. It all seems to be another argument toward 'B' or feeder teams.

Alan @49,

Some Rums are clearly better than others. What we want and what we can have are two different things clearly, if this player who I know nothing about but is clearly impressing a lot of Toffewebbers on here is available on loan then we have to take a chance.

To say he is getting in the way of Calvert-Lewin's progress is ridiculous; Everton isn't a training school! If he is a better player, he plays.
If Calvert-Lewin responds to the competition and ups his game, he plays.

Billy(#50); According to #8 above Juve have three or four strikers who may take preference and that Everton taking him on loan for a season is exactly for him to get experience and possibly away from the abuse (#40).

If we are not a training school then why do we pay £1.5M to £6M for a young players from Sheff Utd or Newcastle or QPR, in case they make it on their own initiative?

Alan @51,

I am referring to the first team as not a training school; Everton can't afford to let a player "learn his trade" in top flight games if they have a better alternative and obviously they would not.

Everton wouldn't be taking him for some noble reason as a way of protecting him from racist abuse or giving him experience to the benefit of Juventus; if that was the case Juventus would be paying us.

If this player comes to us, it will be because Silva/Brands believe he is better than what we currently have – and if that means Calvert-Lewin stands aside, so be it.

Sorry, Billy(52), whether it is noble or just practical for both parties, but Juventus won't in any circumstances be paying us to take one of their outstanding young players for one season in the same way we don't pay Wigan, Bolton, Leipzig or Schalke but we probably do subsidize part of the player's wages.

If we are to sign this 19-year-old Italian international on a permanent basis it will only be because he won't sign a new contract and it appears he has only 1 year left on his present contract and we pay a club record fee, and more power to Mr Brands if it is the case, but somehow with his current record (#22) I think we would probably be outbid.

I do agree though that, if we sign a better player permanently or on loan, then somebody has to make way in the first team. If it is Calvert-Lewin, then do we sell him or try to improve him in case it doesn't work out? Or the loan ends as, I suppose, is the case with Zouma and Holgate.

Apparently we've tabled a bid of £26 million to buy the player. Juve weren't interested.

What move next? If any....

Francis, that report is from Calciomercato, and they say that we're planning the bid next month but haven't tabled it yet. They do predict that Juve will reject it, but let's wait and see what happens when the offer is finally made.

I can't really see why Kean would leave Juve to join Everton.

Playing with Ronaldo & Dybala in the CL, to playing with Tosun & Schneiderlin in the PL doesn't seem like much of a step-up or a great career move in my view.

I guess it all depends on what happens with the striker merry-go-round in the coming weeks.

@James: "I can't really see why Kean would leave Juve to join Everton.
Playing with Ronaldo & Dybala in the CL, to playing with Tosun & Schneiderlin in the PL"

James, your key assumption is the word playing. Juve are signing some players and so Kean drops down the pecking order, therefore he is not playing. That's why they will loan him out.

Whether we should be loaning a player we have zero chance of keeping beyond the loan period is the question really.

IF and when this is confirmed at the rumoured price, it further enhances Brands' reputation, IMO.

That said (with apologies to James Marshall) as I have done all along and as a few in this thread justifiably make the point, Gomes has to do more on a more consistent basis for Everton.

If he can perform as he did at Benfica and Valencia, he is a useful addition to the squad. If he plays as he did at Barcelona AND in many a game for Everton, then he may continue to disappoint and frustrate in equal measure.

He has the physique. He has the skill set. He has yet to prove he can be the 'main man' in our midfield who orchestrates everything. Maybe Silva and stability may bring that out in him. But on past record, I don't expect him to contribute much to our goals for column. He's never scored more than 4 goals in a single season and in 29 internationals is yet to score for Portugal.

A good addition at the price quoted if confirmed, but definitely more needed from the player and the team definitely needs more incoming players that carry more goal threat.

Vlasic sold ? https://en.pfc-cska.com/news/team-news/nikola-vlasic-completes-pfc-cska-move/

Steve@57

See my last short paragraph. What I'm really saying is why would the player WANT to leave Juve for Everton? Whether he does is another matter (see final short paragraph).

Basically I agree with you!

I've since found out that the abuse Kean suffered was at Cagliari, on Sardinia.

It's still rumbling. So the possibility of a deal still exists.

And Mike #55, Thanks for correcting me, it'll trust me not to take for granted anything Mr Google throws at me.

I wonder what the chances of signing Timo Werner with Ademola Lookman as a makeweight? They like Lookman at Leipzig so it could be a good deal done!