Prospects in this Transfer Window

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With the news that Højbjerg prefers Tottenham over Everton, I wonder what supporters feel about Everton's prospects in the transfer window?

Of the 10 teams above us, 8 have owners who are richer than Farhad Moshiri, 4 have new grounds (Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal). Both Liverpool and Man Utd have redeveloped their grounds with plans for further development. Leicester and Wolves have done some redevelopment with plans for more improvements, and are building new training facilities.

Everton have a new training ground but an old stadium, with a new one waiting on planning approval and that will take 3 or 4 years to build.

Not all owners are willing to finance large sums for players, due mostly to the rules on Financial Fair Play (FFP). It seems the only advantage Everton may have is the reputation of our manager, Carlo Ancelotti.

We seem to be at a disadvantage when compared with the other clubs and their ability to bring in the quality players we need. If one of the top clubs also want the player we are after, we will be forced to pay higher contract fees on top of exorbitant transfer fees, or we will lose out.

With the financial odds stacked against us, and the financial impacts of Covid-19 seemingly still hanging like the other shoe waiting to drop, what do we as fans think our prospects will be in this transfer window?

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Ralph Basnett
1 Posted 24/07/2020 at 07:45:54
Do you think the £150/£100k-a-week players go to clubs for the chance of success?

I think the answer is in my question.

Yes, a majority of players moving go to the best clubs for a chance of a trophy but it is only a chance.

You mention clubs above us having a better chance of getting the best players but, at the end of the day, we only have three trophies to play for and so even the top clubs miss out on success.

Unlike in the pre-Premier League and Sky days, football was basic salaries plus huge bonuses for trophy success; now we have huge salaries with a relatively small bonus for getting out of bed.

I believe if a club really wants a player, they have every chance of getting him if they pay enough.

Sam Hoare
2 Posted 24/07/2020 at 14:20:52
If we are only targeting players who would rather come here instead of Spurs (or Arsenal, Chelsea etc) then it's going to be an extremely small list.

if you are aiming for good players there are likely to be other suitors; the better the player, the better the suitors. Either you aim high and have to be patient as they wait for more illustrious offers or you take a chance on a raw player that others are unsure of. Or you overpay. We've done a bit of all three but mostly the last!

Nick Page
3 Posted 24/07/2020 at 15:00:47
Always gets my back up “losing players to Spurs” type comments. Second only to the RS in media darling stakes, the club that hasn't won the league since 1961 and has a few cup wins to their name. I've never understood the obsession.

Fair enough under Pochettino they actually started to move forward but their greedy owner and Chairman have made a massive mistake bringing in Mourinho. So let these players go there – they already have a massively bloated squad full of players that want to play and who will be itching for an exit.

We need players that are hungry, that want to win and have a bit of fire in their belly – not mercenaries like Højbjerg. And we need players that fit into our philosophy and culture. This is what we have really missed.

Dennis Stevens
4 Posted 24/07/2020 at 15:14:52
Bill, Leicester City moved to a new stadium in 2002.
Bill Gall
5 Posted 24/07/2020 at 15:41:42
Dennis, yes, I knew that, but they have already put in plans in 2018 for redevelopment to bring in their capacity up to 42,000.

The point I am trying to make is that, just because we have a billionaire owner, it does not mean we can go out and try to bring in quality players if other clubs above us are trying for the same player.

I keep reading of players who Everton are interested in bringing in, and also some of the other top teams are interested. The article is trying to show what we are up against.

Jason Li
6 Posted 24/07/2020 at 16:09:14
Based on history, we brought in Digne, Gomes, Richarlison, Pickford, and they could have gone to most clubs at the time of the transfer... We're going to be alright in the transfer market, I suspect, again.

Plus we have Carlo with top 6 form since Christmas making the phone call.

Plus, if Southampton, Crystal Palace, Burnley, Newcastle, Leicester, West Ham and Watford can bring in very good players into the Premier League – so can we! :)

Ajay Gopal
7 Posted 24/07/2020 at 16:12:39
Sometimes, all you need is a bit of luck, a couple of key talismanic signings, and everything seems to 'click' together. We saw that happening with Leicester a few years ago – on the brink of relegation, they scrape through, and get in a new manager, make a few key signings and next season, they turn Premier League Champions!

I would like Carlo and Marcel to be clever. Do you remember that in Martinez's 1st season – the most memorable one that Evertonians have had in recent years – the key signings were all loan signings: Lukaku, Barry and Deulofeu? Plus an academy player, Ross Barkley, who had been cold-shouldered by the previous manager?

All we need is 1 or 2 'marque' signings, 2 or 3 up-and-coming future stars, and 1 or 2 academy players stepping up, and dollops of patience. Trust in Carlo, and hopefully we get lucky with one of our players turning into a superstar, and then we reach the holy grail of silverware in a couple of years.

Paul Tran
8 Posted 24/07/2020 at 17:00:50
Nick #3, they're based in London. They've qualified for Europe for the past several seasons, including a Champions League profile. That has far more currency for most young footballers than our history.
Robert Tressell
9 Posted 24/07/2020 at 17:27:04
If someone asked me whether I would rather play for Odense or Brondby I'd think:

- who pays more
- which one is going places
- where would I live

We can't honestly expect a lot more from a 24-year-old Dane, can we?

We're a mid-table club with a crap stadium and no silverware for the last million years. Good players with ambition might not have us as their first pick.

Dennis Stevens
10 Posted 24/07/2020 at 18:26:24
If you knew that, Bill, it might have made sense to not give the impression that you didn't when you wrote the article. Then, we wouldn't be having that conversation instead of discussing whatever point it was you were actually trying to make.
Stephen Vincent
11 Posted 24/07/2020 at 18:37:47
We can also offer first team football sooner rather than later. Most of those above us will not guarantee that.
Jay Harris
12 Posted 24/07/2020 at 18:48:54
Bill,

A thought-provoking post but I will put my tuppence-ha' penny worth in.

The biggest factor in a player's decision will be persuasion by the agents, especially for younger players.

Then there are a mixture of considerations:

How much game time will he get?

Which is the best club manager to help him develop?

What are that club's prospects to win things and help the player get recognition by his international boss etc?

I actually think we have some advantages here:

Finch Farm is state of the art;

Ancelotti is arguably the best manager in the world;

Everton is a sleeping giant with an enviable history that needs emphasising to prospective players;

We are likely to give them more game time than most of the clubs you mention.

Wolves' recruitment using Mendes has been a top strategy. Sheffield Utd and Burnley have both proven that you don't need elite players to compete – although one or two does make the job easier.

Not every top club will have the same needs as us.

I rest my case.

Bill Gall
13 Posted 24/07/2020 at 19:27:42
Jay #12,

All good points and you are answering the question that I asked – I wonder what other supporters feel about Everton's prospects in the transfer window? – and hoped to get other supporters' opinions.

Joe McMahon
14 Posted 24/07/2020 at 19:35:58
Bill, gonna be tricky, we do need success from our academy. Branthwaite is looking good for starters. But Champions League standard players won't want to come to Everton. We have to keep Richarlison.
Mike Doyle
15 Posted 24/07/2020 at 19:37:56
If Delph is fit for the new season... It'll be like a new signing!!!
Anthony Murphy
16 Posted 24/07/2020 at 22:37:42
Chelsea new ground?
Bill Gall
17 Posted 24/07/2020 at 23:28:45
Anthony,

No, Chelsea's is not a new ground, it is still on the same site. However, since Abramovich took over it has been updated and modernized with new corporate boxes, seating and a capacity of 41,000, plus a new pitch.

They did have plans to have a new stadium to hold 64,000 built away from Stamford Bridge but it was postponed in 2018.

The article was to show what the other clubs have that may give them the advantage if they are dealing against Everton in the transfer market.

Jerome Shields
18 Posted 25/07/2020 at 06:43:10
Everton are faced with the perennial problem of needing to rep!ace below-par players, who are often overpaid, and attract new recruits to a Club whose reputation as a career move is built on the prior performances of these same below-par players.

Everton are also perceived as a soft touch moneywise, meaning that any player they approach has a premium price and most players they sell are at a discount. The loan market or players out on trial is a temporary solution to reduce the wages bill, given that most arrive back at Everton.

So then we are left with Brands's contacts, which have been disappointing, Ancelotti's reputation to attract players, which is untried, and interference from Kenwright and Moshiri, which is a disaster.

On top of that, we have media speculation which would drive you nuts. Hopefully it will be different in this transfer window. Everton will be looking for three players, but will end up with two. No Horlicks this time, please.

At least there is less obvious deadwood and there might be clubs out there stupid enough to take the rest. You have to be optimistic.

Bill Watson
19 Posted 25/07/2020 at 08:39:27
Bill; I may be mistaken but I think Chelsea's postponed new ground would have been on the same site.
Mike Allison
20 Posted 25/07/2020 at 10:58:36
Since we got money, our transfer strategy has been absolutely abysmal. We've paid over the odds for half-decent (and in some cases, not even that) players seemingly thinking that the very fact we've spent lots of money on their transfer fees and wages will make them better than they are.

Many supporters seem to feel that we need to continue doing this, only this time bring in ‘real quality' players, as if we weren't trying to do this already. The hard truth is that, if players are good enough for ‘the top four', which seems to be the benchmark many fans have for a player, then they'll sign for a top four club, not Everton.

We used to have a brilliant transfer strategy. We'd identify players playing below their potential, but who had the right character and therefore the chance to develop and improve significantly. We kept a stable, coherent and consistent squad of players who wanted to succeed with Everton and we consistently finished in the upper reaches of the Premier League.

We've thrown all that away thinking we can simply buy success, but you can't buy success. You have to build a team, develop a camaraderie, identity and instil desire. We stopped doing that seemingly believing that simply buying new players would make us better.

Buying new players isn't what makes you better. You have to develop as a team and as a unit, and a constant influx of new players actually disrupts that. Spending big on transfers has got Everton into a huge mess, so we need to try turning what we've got into something that works.

Therefore we need, at most, 3 new players, and we need to coach and manage the ones we've got to produce more. We have perhaps 3 players who have had decent seasons, the rest can all get massively better and they need to know that that's their responsibility, rather than trying to blame someone else for not buying X, Y or Z.

Robert Tressell
21 Posted 25/07/2020 at 11:37:29
Completely agree with you, Mike. The Moyes era was all about restraint in the transfer market. Identifying the right fit for the team / team dynamics. It was infuriating but it worked. Okay, there were failures now and again but credit Moyes for what he did.

Martinez also identified players and improved them - and built a very good side on the cheap in a short space of time. In theory, we should now be looking at a team of Onyekuru, Vlasic and Lookman – to go with Calvert-Lewin and Holgate – and the U20 World Cup winners Kenny, Connolly and Dowell. But the transfer strategy on top of the youth development has been woeful. No shape or balance or thought to the future.

In 3 years time, we should have a team built on Holgate, Branthwaite, Davies, Gordon, Kean and Calvert-Lewin. Hopefully Nkounkou, Simms, Dobbin and Onyango will feature too. Probably resign ourselves to the fact that Richarlison and Digne will be gone by then though.

So the transfer windows should be about filling in the gaps and ideally buying the replacement for Richarlison a season or two before we sell Richarlison. That is what Dortmund do. Otherwise, a large part of the sale proceeds need to be spent on an immediate replacement who is not as good as the player you have just sold.

To stay competitive in the meantime, we might need to buy ready-made players, like Allan and Højbjerg this summer. But otherwise it should all be about shaping a top 4 side by signing primarily 18- to 22-year-olds. Players like Todibo, Dalot and McKennie who are a bit hit and miss now but will mature.

Dennis Stevens
22 Posted 25/07/2020 at 12:00:43
Hear! Hear! Mike #20. Let's hope that those that make these decisions have finally learnt a few lessons. Although, I suspect any adjustment in transfer strategy along the lines you describe will be more to do with limited availability of funds than an enlightened refocusing, i.e. necessity rather than choice.
Bill Gall
23 Posted 25/07/2020 at 13:28:53
Getting some excellent replies showing the feelings from Everton supporters. Only time will tell and the most interesting thing will be to see how close the choices of supporters match what the club manage to do with who they sign.
Jerome Shields
24 Posted 25/07/2020 at 21:16:06
Mike #20,

The problem is that things have moved on in the Premier League. The Top five have invested in infrastructure and developed their brand and have effective management – both on and off the pitch. Even the rest in Premier League and those challenging in the Championship have moved on more than Everton.

This means they all – according to their resources – have the pick of players and the improvement they have made means that this becomes part of the price in negotiations of transfer fees and contracts. Other factors at Everton, the lack of conversion of promising footballers to the first team, more let go than other clubs, and – prior to Ancelotti – an inability to improve the performance of players, coupled with poor ability to adapt recruits to the team's requirements. This does not go unnoticed by target players.

Many of the footballers brought in during the Moyes era ended up with careers where they won nothing. It was the ones that moved on that did, after relatively short Everton careers.

The standards of the Moyes era would not survive in the Premier League in the current era, that's why Kenwright had to sell the club. What he did not realise was that money was only part of the problem. The real problem was how the club was being managed – both on and off the pitch.

It's a totally different ball game now and Everton are going to have to change and adapt. That's why it all looks so different for Everton in the transfer market.

Tony Hill
25 Posted 25/07/2020 at 21:31:15
Ajay @7, that's my hopeful vision too. Luck, above all, please.
Lester Yip
26 Posted 27/07/2020 at 12:24:30
Jerome (24) - As long as I can see, Wolves and Leceister City are not throwing away money like we did in the transfer market but still got a more coherent team. I am not sure to spend big will bring success.
Dave Lynch
27 Posted 27/07/2020 at 12:49:39
Other than the midfield which is bereft of any talent bar Gomes, who IMO opinion can dictate a game with the right players around him, Pirlo was class without possessing pace.

IMO we need a striker, one in the mould of Lukaku or the Yakubu. Calvert-Lewin is not and never will be a formidable striker, he lacks "instinct" which all great strikers have. How many time I have seen crosses come in or the ball bouncing about in the area, with Calvert-Lewin nowhere near them I've lost count of.

The one thing all good strikers have is the instinct to be in the right place at the right time, Shearer, Lineker, Owen, Fowler to name but a few, had it in spades.

Calvert-Lewin does not and never will possess the instinct needed to be a top-class striker.

Alan J Thompson
28 Posted 27/07/2020 at 14:19:33
It might not be the best strategy as it may mean a high turnover of players but why not put a release clause in the contract of these so-called "better" players that they may leave, transfer out after a given time, for the price Everton paid for them plus say, 50% of wages paid.

Thus, the player gets to prove himself in the Premier League and feel in control of his own future. The downside is that it appears we are no more than a feeder club if there is a high turnover possibly due to lack of success.

This of course would not be part of all contracts and should not be expected by players signing as they show promise rather than already proven who otherwise might not feel attracted.

John Zapa
29 Posted 27/07/2020 at 14:39:16
People seem to forget that the club at the moment is running a huge loss, has the highest wages to turnover ratio in the Premier League and is on a highly unsustainable path. What the club needs to get back on a good path is constantly uncovering and then developing players like Stones or Sterling. Players who can be bought for under £2M, developed and sold for £50M.

This is what's needed to stabilise the financial mess at the club then build on from there. Leaving Brands to buy another batch of Iwobis this window will just be the final nail in the coffin.

Sam Hoare
30 Posted 27/07/2020 at 14:43:15
Mike @20 yes. Yet people will keep saying we need to sell 10 players and bring 7 new ones in. It's gonna be evolution more than revolution.

I'm hopeful we'll see more and better next season from the likes of Mina, Iwobi, Kean etc. Plus more game time for Gordon and Branthwaite.

We need to build a team; not try and buy one. Three well-chosen additions could make a world of difference but trying to bed in too much often goes badly. Look at the difference between Sheffield United and Aston Villa this season just gone.

Dan Kemp
31 Posted 27/07/2020 at 17:03:09
Whoever we sign should be an up and coming player, like Richarlison was. He (and maybe Digne) are our only Champions League quality players right now. We must stop selling our best players.

Consider this – would we need to sign anyone if our current squad still had Stones, Barkley, Gueye and Lukaku?

Gerry Quinn
32 Posted 27/07/2020 at 17:04:21
“The players that stay I said to them ‘Come back with more motivation and more ambition’,” said Ancelotti.

“The key thing is ambition. Everyone has to play his part but the club can have more ambition. I can have more ambition.

“I would like to see a better team next season and we are going to see a better team next season for sure.

Gerry Quinn
33 Posted 27/07/2020 at 17:05:16
Be interesting to know who he said that to - namely "the players that stay"...
Bob Parrington
34 Posted 28/07/2020 at 04:35:41
Mike@ #20 Profound, well thought-out posting IMO.

I wrote on the "Zaha" thread that we need to build rather than embellish. The past few years we've seen the "bring in as many as we can" rather than add a couple of good players with great character.

I can't see how adding too many new players to a team in one window can help build a successful unit.

Now that Branthwaite has shown that he has the talent, application and composure, this should remove the need for 1 of the players we would have needed to sign during this window.

Mike Gaynes
35 Posted 28/07/2020 at 05:10:40
Dan #31, all four of those players wanted to leave for a bigger club. (And two have largely flopped since doing so.) If we could have brainwashed them into wanting to stay (and in the case of Stones and Barkley, becoming better players), then no, we wouldn't need as many new signings right now. But our brainwashing machine is broken.

Besides, we pulled in £175 million for those four players. The problem wasn't that we sold them. The problem was how badly we used the money we got for them.

Brian Murray
36 Posted 28/07/2020 at 05:24:06
The only transfer assurance I'd like from the club is Buffoon Bill not involved in any way.
Andrew Dempsey
37 Posted 28/07/2020 at 06:45:02
You won't see Everton moving swiftly to land exciting transfer targets, and the deadwood won't be shifted out the back door anytime soon.

It'll be virtually the same squad in September. Prove me wrong, Brands.

Graham Mockford
38 Posted 28/07/2020 at 11:59:24
Jerome @24,

Howard, Coleman, Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Arteta, Fellaini, Cahill, Pienaar, Osman, Saha.

Name me one player in the current squad that gets in that team?

I'll help you: Richarlison.

Simon Harrison
39 Posted 28/07/2020 at 18:07:57
Over the last couple of weeks, I've been reading and listening to all things Everton FC. Which, unfortunately, has not been good reading or listening, in my humble opinion.

Basically, working forward and forgetting the last 4½ years is a must. Plus one additional hard truth has to be faced. Which is at the most, The Esk and JH have both considered the most EFC can spend in this transfer window, which will be about £25M net spend. EFC are broke in effect, and running at a huge loss (£111M at the last count!). Ergo, to improve the squad, some players will have to sold.

Now, Ancelotti has already said he has spoken to the players, and informed those who have no future here; and, in no uncertain terms, told the rest of the players to return ready to train, and be ready for the start of the season.

Which means unless we sell to buy, or just unload as best we can high wage earners, we are going to be lucky bringing in the 2-3 players that Brands had previously mentioned.

I personally see us buying two players and loaning another two players, to make up for 'some' deficiencies in the squad; and maybe, just maybe one or two U23 players different being a little more involved. Alongside Gordon and Branthwaite, maybe Simms, Gibson, and a midfielder?

The financial issue, which is the Premier Leagues's Profit and Sustainability rule, is the one that is crippling our ability to bring in new players. Yet, funnily enough, it was Mr Moshiri's willingness to take advice from his previous managers, Blue Bill, Steve Walsh, Marcel Brands (under instruction?) and his own vanity buys (ie, Tosun) that have completely undermined the club's position to build a decent team.

The wage bill, as pointed out by John [29] said, is running at the largest wage to turnover in the Premier League. Which is unsustainable.

Therefore, the belt has to be kept tight this season, until the players' contracts which expire in 2022 can be off-loaded.

This was an article published on this site by Paul the Esk, and all credit goes to him for the content; I am merely reposting here;

https://theesk.org/2020/01/02/january-or-june-sales/

The article clearly shows the self-administered financial constraints we have placed on our selves. Plus the current situation with players' contracts.

One thing I have learnt though recently, is that 5-year contracts are awarded, not to tie people to the club, but to reduce the amortisation cost to the club, eg, if you buy a player for £30M on a 3-year deal, he'll cost the club £10M a year in amortisation, whereas the same player at £30M over 5 years is £6m in amortisation to the club.

Moving back to the way forward;

This whole situation (debacle?) the club finds itself in, is something I cannot fathom, considering we are talking successful, professional businessmen here, that are meant to have a vested interest in the success of the club?

In part, I blame a lack of vision or planning; in part, I blame a lack of demarcation between job roles and task involvement; in part I blame a lack of genuine expertise in specific fields, and finally, I blame the owner for not exactly knowing what he wanted when he bought the club. Oh, and let's not forget the Board's shambolic performance over the last 5 years.

The only way Everton FC can progress this football club, is by getting all their ducks lined up.

i) Mr Moshiri, Blue Bill and the CEO should have no further involvement in any transfer dealings.

ii) Carlo should take total control of what he wants for the first team, from working with Brands on recruitment, to sorting out Finch Farm, and bringing in all training and medical services under his control; and the medical staff do not have a veto on a player's health. This has been abused far too often.

iii) Brands should work solely with Carlo to get him what he needs, if at all humanly and financially possible. The scouting etc should be left to the scouting department, and Brands and Carlo's contacts; and not from Kenwrights or Moshiris book of agent contacts.

iv) The academy should be put fully under Brands's control, and coaches should be appointed that will work with Carlo's vision for the first team, and Brand's vision of developing players for resale and stop this 2-4 year loan issue we have with players, eg, Garbutt.

v) The U23s, for me, the buck stops with Rhino. He should be sacked, and an U23 coach/manager who is willing to work purely for the benefit of the first team should be appointed.

Additionally, all the lads who are deemed substandard for the first team should be let go; and allow them to try and develop their careers elsewhere. It is a waste of our time and it is wasting their limited time as a player. The club should stop trying to prioritise U23 PL2 and PLC trophies etc... a total waste of resources in my mind.

Regards the Board;

By all means continue the excellent charity work that EitC does, but take the CEO role off Barrett-Baxendale, and give her a Community Director role.

Somone, anyone please raise at the next AGM a 'Vote of No Confidence' in Kenwright, at least Mr Moshiri will be made aware that the vast majority of Evertonians are sick of the malaise that this man brought to the club.

Sacha Ryazantsev needs to step up to the plate and hire a Director of Commercial Interests (Commercial Director) heading up a Domestic and Foreign arm.

Brands currently, has one year on his contract and there has been no news of a new one; so, is this season his 'acid test'? "Get it right, or you're gone" sort of thing?

Appoint a new non-executive 'footballing' Chairman and CEO to broaden our expertise, and to develop a winning strategy for the club.

Additionally, maybe up to two more non-executive directors with varying expertise to help the club.

Then, as someone posted elsewhere, get a new broom, and sweep out all the Barrett-Baxendale and Kenwright appointments, and stop this bloody cosy club culture we seem to have.

The only way we are going to progress is to accelerate the club's infrastructure by about 30-35 years and drag us into the latest part of the 21st Century, and give Brands and Ancelotti time to build the project. I firmly believe that, if we give them the resources they need, patience and 3-4 years; we will be in an excellent position, and challenging for the 'best of the rest' again. At which point, the Bramley-Moore Dock stadium project will hopefully be completed and we can kick on to top 6 and eventually better.

Remember, it took Ferguson four years to turn Man Utd around, and it's taken Klopp the same for them across the park.

Patience is needed, as well as wisely spent cash and the right player acquisitions.

Apologies if TL;DR, it just saves me writing my own article.

Dave Abrahams
40 Posted 28/07/2020 at 20:29:33
Simon (39), pardon me asking, but just one small point out of your interesting post: Are you a shareholder and have you ever been to a AGM?

If you are not and you have never been to an AGH I can assure you if someone got up and asked for a vote of confidence inKenwright, first of all he would be shouted down for asking and secondly he would get that vote of confidence no problem with hardly any voting against him, maybe couple along with my proxy vote.

What I would like to ask fans on ToffeeWeb, because I don't know the answer is: Who are the top scouts employed by the club, I've read we have them all over the place Britain, Europe South America? Because they should be searching non-stop for the little heard of players who can come in cheap and be ready to play for the first team.

The last few crops with hardly any exception have been known, expensive and not worth a blow on a ragman's bugle. That's not to belittle Branthwaite and the young Frenchman who came in January, they cost little and could possibly be worth a lot and thumbs up to the scouts, who I don't know, for finding them. Let's get a few more in like them, along with three or four good expensive signings.

Alan J Thompson
41 Posted 30/07/2020 at 06:07:14
Graham (#38),

I'll name you two: Coleman and Baines.

Bill Watson
42 Posted 30/07/2020 at 12:07:38
Simon #39 and Dave #40

I agree with Dave on the AGM. It really is just a window dressing exercise; the small shareholders amount to around 5% of the total and have no power, whatsoever. Any such proposal would probably have difficulty getting a seconder and would, in any case, just be symbolic having no chance of succeeding. Maybe that's what Simon meant?

I see Kieran Dowell has now left so the clear out is continuing. Best of luck to him but I think he should have gone last year. It was obvious from his few appearances for us, and his various loans, that he was never going to hack it in the Premier League. His loans followed a similar pattern; he started like a house on fire and then faded and lost his place.

I think all clubs should look at what they (and the players) actually get out of the Under 23 setup. Many players (not just at Everton) seem to reach that level and then just stagnate when they really should be dropping down a league or two. The really outstanding prospects bypass the U23s, altogether.

Perhaps some of the first team deadwood will be moved on for nominal fees because surely the main aim is to reduce the wage bill ratio to income and to free up some room for incoming transfers.

Colin Glassar
43 Posted 30/07/2020 at 12:25:33
I still think Carlo will go for 2-3 experienced pros eg Allen, Silva, Immobile etc... as he needs an immediate fix. He doesn’t have the luxury (next season) of developing young players as the fan base is impatient and wants results now.

Young players will be recruited but they won’t be his priority right now hence the Ivanovic link

Simon Harrison
44 Posted 30/07/2020 at 15:20:20
Dave [40] Yes, that is actually what I meant.

I understand that it wouldn't be a populist vote, BUT, like the Red half and their Spirit of Shankly group; Evertonians need to be telling Mr. Moshiri to get rid of Kenwright.

I realise that looking at the shareholder's list; the actual main shareholder Mr. Moshiri via Blue Heaven Holdings Ltd retains 77.23%, Mr. Kenwright holds 5%, which leaves 17.77% with smaller shareholders.

All it would take for the motion to get tabled would be two votes, a proposer and a seconder, then it would be on record.

No matter how small the vote, if there is a chance that Moshiri might push Bill because of this, I'd take it.

Unfortunately, I'm not a shareholder, nor do I have a spare £1,200 approximately to buy one currently.

Bill [42] Yes, it is a symbolic protest, and even if voted down, it only takes two shareholders to get it tabled, and minuted I believe.

Also, this is a really basic info page link re AGMs etc

https://www.sharesoc.org/investor-academy/advanced-topics/general-meetings/voting-general-meetings/

As for point 1.
I would be asking the board the question, we're running at a loss of circa £111p.a. and are breaking the PL Profit and Sustainability rule. Just how are the board proposing we rectify that; whilst trying to strengthen and enhance our major marketing and advertising tool, the First team?

As for point 2.
If the club is in such precarious financial position, why are dividends still being paid; and with such poor commercial and financial returns, to say nothing of the regression of the first team; also, why do the board feel justified in increasing their salaries year on year? To me that smacks of failure and incompetence being rewarded? This seems to be the malaise at the heart of the club at the moment.

As for point 3.
Election and Re-election of Directors, personally, I'd vote against BK as Chairman and DBB as CEO. We need proper footballing personnel putting in place, and not a theatre impresario, and someone who has taken their eye of the bigger picture by focussing on the new stadia, EitC and the new Ladies team initiative. Again, we want someone to come in and sweep out the clubs deadwood and incompetence an provide the strategic vision for the club both on and off the field. Enough of the misty eyed looking back. We need a more steely eyed view going forward.

I haven't been to an Everton AGM before, but I have been to AGMs for other organisations.

The whole idea of a 'Vote of no confidence', or not supporting his re-election, for Kenwright is to get it registered in the minutes; then, it is on record that Kenwright is trusted by the common shareholder. Hey, it might even give Mr. Moshiri a way of bypassing any hypothetical arrangement he had with Kenwright, and maybe, just maybe, it could a means to lever Kenwright out of the club.

Stephen Vincent
45 Posted 30/07/2020 at 15:36:37
Colin 43#, disagree. I think the target will be top half next season, top 6 season after that and big push for Champions League the season Bramley-Moore Dock stadium opens and I think signings will be made with that in mind.

Really surprised that with Dowell going to Norwich the opportunity wasn't taken to do a deal for Buendia or Aarons. Good luck to Kieran, I think he will turn out to be better than we have given him credit for.

Anthony Murphy
46 Posted 30/07/2020 at 15:57:33
Talking of prospects in the transfer window, I see Newcastle will have less than they had hoped with the takeover falling through...
Colin Glassar
47 Posted 30/07/2020 at 17:03:10
I hope you're right Stephen and I'm wrong.

Anthony, I think the Geordies are under the same curse as us.

Bill Gall
48 Posted 30/07/2020 at 17:44:07
Is John Blain still chairman of the Everton Supporters Association?
Tony Everan
49 Posted 30/07/2020 at 21:45:45
Colin #43. I think Carlo will be after Allan and Immobile too. They both would be targeted signings for specific positions, not a scattergun approach. Quality players like that may actually help and inspire the development of our young lads. Any other additions could balance it out by being approx. 24 or under.

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