Everton are set to land Italian striker Moise Kean from Juventus in a deal initially worth £29m according to reports.
Italian journalist Gianluca DiMarzio and Fabrizio Romano from Sky Italia, together with The Guardian in the UK, claim that the Blues have won the race for the highly-rated teenager and that Juve will not have a buy-back option in the terms of the deal.
It is thought the Serie A club will have first option on Kean should Everton decide to sell him in the future.
According to the report, Everton will pay €32m for Kean with an additional €8m due should various appearance-related clauses be met over the lifetime of what is expected to be a five-year contract.
Kean is scheduled to undergo a medical tomorrow after flying to England to complete the deal. He reportedly turned Arsenal down after being given assurances of guaranteed playing time at Goodison Park.
1 Aug Update Kean is now expected to fly in tomorrow (Friday) for his medical after the financial aspects of his move from Juventus were concluded, with the deal set for completion over the weekend.
Reader Comments (590)
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
1 Posted 30/07/2019 at 12:58:28
Well done to Brands and Moshiri. A big, big statement by Everton! COYB
2 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:03:28
4 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:05:42
A little more patience please, the man knows what he is doing.
5 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:08:07
6 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:08:31
7 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:10:05
8 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:11:16
9 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:12:41
10 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:14:04
11 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:16:24
That takes the total amount to around 㿐million, and Kean will also earn â‚¬3million a year in wages, which is around 㿡,000-a-week.
The report suggests that Juventus will have a first option on a future transfer, meaning Everton may well have managed to negotiate out of a definitive buy-back clause in the deal.''
Wow, Mr Brands has done the business for us, if those terms are accurate. Well pleased.
12 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:18:15
Every deal takes time if you want to get it right, Kudos to Brands for another wonderful deal. I am sure he is working on other deals as well.Not blindly paying the wages or transfer money like Walsh.
13 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:19:56
14 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:20:15
15 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:26:36
Optimistic perhaps, but imagine the possibility of: Richarlison, Kean and Zaha been fed by Siggy - enough to make your eyes water.
16 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:27:35
17 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:29:24
Pleased with this - an Italian international (2 goals in 3) with a point to prove, for under £30mil?
In M&M we trust
18 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:31:44
19 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:33:21
20 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:33:39
21 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:33:51
22 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:37:01
23 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:38:19
24 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:38:20
If only we got him first time round rather than that charlatan Walsh.
We still need a few in but you can see that it is focused recruiting. Not just buying all the players available with no idea how they were gonna fit into the system. (Like we did previously)
The only thing I can fault with this window was JJK being allowed to go on loan. I initially thought it was because Silva seen Holgate as being further along the development line but Mason has been deployed centrally pre season.
25 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:43:37
26 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:43:57
Now a replacement for Gueye and Zouma please!
27 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:46:03
28 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:46:32
29 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:46:44
30 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:48:36
Amazed his wages will 'only' be £53k/week when the likes of Mina, Schneiderlin, Sandro, Gilfy etc are all on >£100k/week - presume this will go up over time, appearances and goals.
£30m for a guy who'll be worth at least double that once he's scored a few goals and settled in would be an amazing deal.
If/when he comes I truly hope the crowd GIVES THE KID TIME to settle in and not expect too much too soon. He's only 19 after all so don't expect hattricks from the off.
31 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:48:47
32 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:48:48
And I'm hoping the link is regarding Kean and not a regarding your post!
33 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:52:08
34 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:52:29
35 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:53:21
Geoff, he's 6ft tall!
36 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:53:36
37 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:54:01
38 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:54:27
Moise Bioty Kean (Italian pronunciation: [ËˆmÉ”ize ËˆkÉ›n]; born 28 February 2000) is an Italian professional footballer who plays as a forward for Premier League club Everton and the Italy national team.
39 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:55:21
Still far too much.
40 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:55:25
41 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:55:35
42 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:57:11
Pace, skill and a great, natural finisher. He could well explode onto the scene, but let's not put too much pressure on the lad.
Him and Rich certainly make for an exciting future of we can keep them. I now think Zaha would be ideal to partner them, as he is a bit older, wise to opposition tactics.
I know not a defense in the land would relish Zaha, Kean, Richarlison (with DCL and Bernard in reserve).
43 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:57:28
44 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:57:29
45 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:58:24
46 Posted 30/07/2019 at 13:59:37
47 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:01:30
48 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:02:50
49 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:03:35
50 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:03:39
51 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:06:44
52 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:07:53
His Mum will love Formby!
53 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:10:58
I don't know what they were thinking, a knock to Seamus and we'll be found scrambling for cover.
54 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:11:13
55 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:11:32
56 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:14:38
57 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:17:25
Opinion on here seems to be split as are the reports in the media.
58 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:18:42
Every web source I can find lists him at either 1.83m or 1.82m, which makes him either 6 feet even or a fraction under. Besides, I've seen him play, and he's definitely no Munchkin.
Wouldn't be trolling just a tiny bit, would you?
By the way, the reliable Juvefc.com says "done deal."
59 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:38:54
Mark my words he will fire us to both trophies and CL qualification!
60 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:39:47
61 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:40:14
62 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:44:13
63 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:45:02
64 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:52:32
65 Posted 30/07/2019 at 14:52:56
No buy back but a gentlemen's agreement that if we get an offer we give juve the chance to match it
66 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:04:32
Clarence #59, I only saw him twice but I'm excited too!
Richard #61, Barca Blaugranes reported yesterday that we're not out of it yet for Malcolm. Zenit in the lead but we're still in, along with Spurs and the Arse.
67 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:06:10
Now this signing has got a bloody misery like me excited!!
68 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:07:38
This is a win/win for us. Looks a great deal at less than £30m in the current market. This kid is something else :-)
69 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:10:42
I think this means DCL will play second string which is a shame as he clearly loves the club and gives 100% effort but his strike rate is pretty dismal, he needs to keep his down and work on his finishing and maybe we may have two lethal strikers.
As for the height it doesn't matter these days, the days of getting the big man in the box for crosses has long gone, smaller players are in general better technically.
70 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:12:20
71 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:12:21
There is an agreement based on good relations with juve.
72 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:13:55
73 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:13:56
I've been quietly excited about this boy. I think this is like when we first signed Lukaku. Unlike Martinez, who gave Lukaku a free reign and allowed the ego to build out of control, I think Silva is going to be a bit firmer on the reigns, not quite as tough as Moyes, but a lot tougher than Martinez.
No jokes about Moysie's keen yet? I could think of a couple involving Kenwright.
74 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:13:59
I don't care as long as he knocks them in.
75 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:15:39
76 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:16:40
77 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:18:42
Step up kid and bang in 20.
If we sign Zaha we'll be ridiculously fun to watch.
78 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:18:45
79 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:19:00
80 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:21:10
Kean to Everton, here we go! ðŸ”µ
- Everton have reached an agreement with Juventus to sign Moise Kean as new striker ðŸ¤
- The deal is done for â‚¬40M [add ons included] and Everton have completed paperwork with Juventus earlier this morning. âœðŸ»
- The Italian striker will fly to UK tomorrow to undergo his medical and then sign his contract until June 2024 for â‚¬3M/season. âœˆï¸
- BUY BACK CLAUSE QUESTION - Juve WILL NOT have a buy back clause. But Juventus have good relationship with Everton and will be called if they'll receive any bid in future, so Juve can decide about matching it. âœ”ï¸
81 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:22:05
I have seen highlights of him, which is only half the story, scoring a few goals that 30 years ago I could have scored.
Do I want him at Goodison, yes but I wouldn't want to put DCL on the scrap heap just yet.
82 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:23:40
The only downside of this transaction is that Everton now have the joy of dealing with Mino Raiola again. If this lad does bang in 15 or 20, we should be prepared for another Lukaku-style soap opera.
Raymond #81, he's only 19 and apparently still a bit up-and-down on performance. And reportedly he really wanted out very badly. The racial abuse incident and the lack of support he got from his manager and his captain would sour anybody on staying.
83 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:26:02
84 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:26:12
I believe it took so long because Juve couldn't get what they wanted.
We have got a fantastic deal.
NB: I accept that my above statement is pure conjecture and may have no basis on truth, but it makes sense to me.
85 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:29:11
In regards to the tub-o'-lard who milks footy for as much money as he can doing not-a-fuckin'-thing, I'm kind of over it.
Raiola performs a needed function in today's game. Is he a likable character? Lord no. But in today's game, we need agents.
AND! I look at it this way.
If you don't want Kean to leave, and you don't want to hear the bile spewing from Raiola's mouth about the next big club, here's an idea:
Everton, for once start to perform as the Big Club yo purport to be. Finish in a Champions League spot, run yourselves professionally, and act like a big club, then you'll actually hold on to your players.
That's the answer Mike. Our Club needs to step it up.
We're headed in the right direction.
86 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:30:12
87 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:32:56
88 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:34:03
Steve #86, latest rumor has Juve adding Mandzukic into the reported Dybala-for-Lukaku trade offer. Getting Mandzukic off their books would help their financial picture considerably.
Chris #84 and Jamie #85, agree and agree.
89 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:38:20
I was also one of those who said this was all bollocks when it first came to light a few weeks ago. Amazed.
90 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:39:41
11 - Moise Kean
10 - Lionel Messi
4 - Cristiano Ronaldo
I know it doesn't really mean a great deal but it looks nice.
91 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:39:58
92 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:41:45
As for Raiola, we are a club that he will love. We have big money to sign his clients, and yet we are not at the top level of the game so they can be sold on. Surely, the agents dream is a club that can spend big but has to accept it's best players moving on. Which, like it or not, is where we are at right now, at least in the eyes of non-fans. So, our mate Raiola can do us a favour or two and direct his clients to us and give us a real bump up the ladder.
Then when it comes time to move Kean on, we could be top 4 and then look to keep hold of the players, like Tottenham have. Agents can still earn big bucks from negotiating new deals. Also, the player can leave the agent after the big move, like Lukaku left Raiola after joining Utd.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves, young Moysie, sorry Moise, has a lot of development to do, and he needs to take it one step at a time.
93 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:44:39
I genuinely think with the addition of Malcom or Zaha we will seriously contend for a Top 4 spot.
My fear is I think we'll leak too many goals, but if we sign either of those two (personally I hope it's Zaha), we're in for one hell of a ride.
Haven't been this excited since Martinez' 72 point season!
94 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:47:46
I was all in favour of a move for Inanacho a few seasons back, he had a similar record with City, but he hasn't yet lived up to his promise, hopefully Kean is a different gravy and Silva and Brands have pulled off a worldie.
Get this one nailed down and let's go out for Malcom, Zaha or Neres, if we do that then we can forget worrying about Gana, as we can't just find another Gana, but with 2 quality additions in the attack we will have improved the 1st team.
95 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:49:06
96 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:52:45
Fantastic news, we have a striker who knows where the goal is, and boots that know how to connect with the ball at the proper time and with direction.
I bet all you naysayers are choking on grumble pie as I type, told you to have faith in M Brands, and he's not finished yet!
97 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:53:57
98 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:53:58
99 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:55:26
100 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:57:58
101 Posted 30/07/2019 at 15:58:19
We keep the industrial sized bag of baby wipes in the Crowley house.
Smooth as butter, useful for many things, gold.
Buy some. It'll change your life.
Did I mention we're one attacking player away from gate crashing the big boys?
102 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:01:46
Considering this is the day we officially lost our best player of the past three seasons, I'm in a remarkably good mood.
103 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:04:01
So is that, so whats the deal with that, or have a I misunderstood something?
104 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:07:35
Gutted but not surprised Gana has gone. Just hope we don't get that Lemon from Southampton to replace him.
105 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:08:12
I hope obviously he turns out to be a cracker, I was just dubious that we have got him and not had to pay more if his potential was there to be seen.
Just call me an old cynic.
106 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:10:46
Derek and Jamie - Thanks for the tip re: baby wipes. I'm off to the cash & carry for an industrial sized pack...
107 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:11:13
In effect it's a buyback clause without a pre-set price.
108 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:12:30
109 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:13:43
110 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:16:45
4. Malcolm / Zaha / Neres
5. Gbamin / Lemina / Bakayoko
6. Santi Arias (Atletico Madrid RB)
7. Kurt Zouma
Now that would be jizz your pants time and off to put the mortgage on CL at Goodison before we leave for BM Dock.
111 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:18:03
Give Brands his due he is one hell of a negotiator and looks to have bagged Gomes, Delph and Kean at great prices.
Would prefer to drag on a bit to ensure we get the best deal for incoming players than rush and pay whatever to get them earlier.
112 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:18:34
200k salary, they don't want to sell to a team who is in the Champions League. It also sounds like they will let him go for a small fee.
113 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:19:04
No doubt he will Plague opposing defenses with at least Ten Commanding performances.
114 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:21:04
Another case of "remember the name" and other supporters in a while saying why the hell didn't we sign this lad !
115 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:21:14
116 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:23:34
117 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:26:24
What a great idea, fostering good relations with Juve.
118 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:26:29
So £200k a week and a place in Cantril Farm, being able to get a proper fish supper and a chat with Bill on regular basis is a winner :)
119 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:29:03
120 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:29:55
I think he wanted out of Juve and they were cornered - Whether it was the lack of 1st team game time or the racist abuse from some fans in Italy or the knuckle head (HIs own Team Captain!!) telling him not to put his hands to his ears to antagonize these dirtbags after scoring wha??
And looks to me like Brands knew they were cornered and sunk his teeth in :B,
If there is no buy back clause this is great business and yes its a risk as is every signing
Spoke to Juve fan in work couple of weeks back who was adamant they would not be letting him go at best a loan etc etc
Now if we can just get a quality CB and maybe a replacement for Gana (if such a player exists) things will really start to look up for us next season
I have feeling this lad will hit the ground running in the PL
121 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:32:43
122 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:33:28
I read that our initial inquiry was for Mandzukic and the Kean deal materialised off the back of it.
123 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:34:09
124 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:40:39
125 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:43:57
Are you serious or have I got you believing in my spoof posting about Kean's tweet?
I did put a wink smile in there.
126 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:44:17
127 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:47:27
The lad takes some terrible abuse on here. He showed towards the end of last season that he is developing into an excellent player. Yes, crucially, he needs to add goals to his game, but that is more likely to happen if others around him are scoring and the burden is not just on him.
128 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:48:14
129 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:48:17
130 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:55:32
131 Posted 30/07/2019 at 16:57:51
132 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:01:24
133 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:02:57
134 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:03:06
Could be a good omen in there, and he (Lukaku) didn't turn out too bad did he?
If we can just get some similar quality in the other positions we could be taken seriously this season.
135 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:04:30
I still think we'll get three more. Tarkowski, Bakayoko (loan) and Malcolm. But we need to get the flotsam out first.
136 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:07:56
As things stand we are probably worse off as a squad than last season with Gana,Zouma and Lookman out with only Delph and Kean added and I'm sure he will need time to adapt to the Prem.
Let's hope Marco gets the other four he wants so we can really kick on and perhaps turn the big 6 into the big 7 and start by catching Arsenal.
137 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:08:35
Just don't turn on the lad if he's not quite what we hoped.
138 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:09:15
139 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:10:18
140 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:14:38
141 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:25:08
142 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:26:27
143 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:30:14
144 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:31:24
Sorry to be pedantic Mike but it's certainly NOT a buyback clause without a set price.
A buyback clause puts all the power in the hands of the selling club as they can activate it when it suits them (within the terms of the agreed contract), whereas in this deal (if what's been written is to be believed) Everton have the power in that if they don't want to sell they don't have to.
It's an option to "match any other offer in the future" agreement and there's a huge difference between that and a buyback clause mate.
It's a huge win win for us!
146 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:37:44
Mark T, that's a half-dozen optimistic posts from you! You all right, sir? I'm not accustomed to all these positive waves! In the words of the great Oddball, maybe we can't lose!
Colin #135, I've never heard a word about us being in for Tarkowski. Where did you pick that up? That would really surprise me, given Burnley's ridiculous price tag.
147 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:41:25
148 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:42:51
All of a sudden this doesn't look like such a bad window. Add a left winger and next season could be seriously fun to watch.
149 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:51:36
150 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:52:35
How about we offer 70 million for Dybala so Juve can buy lukaku
ImAgine Rich - Kean - Dybala
151 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:52:39
152 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:55:52
153 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:57:19
154 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:57:31
155 Posted 30/07/2019 at 17:58:20
Now just need a replacement for Gana and a centre back . here's hoping
156 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:02:51
157 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:02:58
He is 23 and will probably be a direct replacement for Gana.
With him and Kean - talk about reducing the age profile of the team!
Brilliant work by Brands if it all comes off.
158 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:04:06
159 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:04:51
160 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:09:30
161 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:10:02
162 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:13:36
163 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:13:57
164 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:15:01
165 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:15:28
166 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:17:35
I read it somewhere but my old timers is so bad these days it could have been your spoof tweet.
167 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:19:29
168 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:21:18
I guess it would mean playing Bernard left, Kean/DCL up front, and Richarlison right?
169 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:27:42
170 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:29:23
Never change TW.
171 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:31:13
Whenever I've seen him he looks like he has good movement and crucially the knack of scoring goals. His goals per minute is very impressive.
Like any foreign player he'll likely need time to settle. Let's see who's the first to say â€˜we should have bought Vardy/Deeney/Lee Trundle.
172 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:39:05
Front three of Bernard, Kean, Richarlison
or maybe even
Richarlison, Kean, Malcolm
The opposition won't know what's hit them.
173 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:39:37
Andrew #167, that's always a question when you're dealing with a 19-year-old. From my glimpses, yes, he does love his dribble a bit too much and sometimes finds blind alleys, but that can be coached. I was impressed with the maturity off the ball and the awareness of his runs -- check out the title-winner against Milan, when instead of breaking between the defenders, he slides to the right, wide of the CB, to create an angle for both the pass and the shot. That's a really mature move for a youngster, a Harry Kane movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKE8Z6wMKCs
Likewise, note his patience on the Cagliari gamewinner -- instead of just busting for the net, kid-style, he waits one beat and lulls the defender, then bursts past him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnyoc3MSrhQ
And the fact that he scored 6 in 6 on Juve's final run to the title is pretty special for a teenager.
Your caution is appropriate, but I think we've potentially captured lightning in a bottle here.
174 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:42:03
175 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:48:08
If Silva wants five and we will already have three if we complete the above signings I wonder who the other two will be?
Is the Zaha deal really dead? Is Malcom off to Zenit? Will we get a surprise?
176 Posted 30/07/2019 at 18:55:17
177 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:07:00
178 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:12:27
179 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:23:23
180 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:26:24
181 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:33:50
Now we can get excited about the new season.
182 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:35:07
I wonder if Brands/Silva will want to hold off spending the CB cash in the expectation that Zouma may be available in January.
183 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:35:46
184 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:39:53
185 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:42:44
186 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:48:13
Would be a heck of a coup, I have never seen him, but by all accounts he's highly thought of.
But 40 million for a 17 year old who hasn't yet played first team football. mental
187 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:48:15
188 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:49:26
189 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:49:33
190 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:52:19
191 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:52:47
192 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:54:03
And since we appear to be bringing in Moises and Jesus, we need to get a bid out quickly for Mohamed Salah.
193 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:54:19
Yeah, 40m for a kid untested at first team seems ludicrous but I imagine that fee is 50% clauses etc. if he's half as good as some say he'll be worth twice as much in 4 years time.
194 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:56:23
195 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:59:25
Could be a very exciting if true. And if he's as good as he looks/sounds.
196 Posted 30/07/2019 at 19:59:56
I truly forgot his first name. Always referred to him as That Effing Besic.
197 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:13:12
198 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:13:38
199 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:17:14
200 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:39:47
Josh (170) - “Wet blanketâ€? That for me? Apologies for not swallowing the hype about Kean without thought or question. I hope he becomes the best player who ever played for us. From what I've seen though I think - without the Rolls Royce supporting cast that he had at Juve and with the Italian National side (for his goals against Finland and Lichtenstein I believe) - he could possibly struggle, certainly to begin with, and maybe even full-stop. Hope that blanket isn't too wet for you...
201 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:41:20
202 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:42:24
He is Ganas replacement..I'm sure a CB is in the offing and wouldn't be surprised to see Kurt make an amazing u turn
203 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:48:38
204 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:51:36
I hope we play 4,3,3 but doubt it as that doesnt leave much room for Siggy. Ive always liked that formation better because teams are then more compact in the middle and the 3 ahead can also play closer together and leave less gaps. I'm not convinced that Silva would change his preferred formation though.
205 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:54:22
206 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:58:22
Maybe Jay Wood our resident Everton rep. can throw some light on this possible signing?
207 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:58:36
208 Posted 30/07/2019 at 20:59:34
209 Posted 30/07/2019 at 21:03:56
210 Posted 30/07/2019 at 21:04:53
I just keep asking my self why would a club like Juventus let such a prospect leave if he really was as good as all the experts and pundits seem to think, I hope they are all right and we get another Lukaku.
Looks like Silva is after more goals this season, I hope the "project" doesn't go belly up and I am saying he is a genius after 10 games !
211 Posted 30/07/2019 at 21:05:50
212 Posted 30/07/2019 at 21:07:55
213 Posted 30/07/2019 at 21:09:15
214 Posted 30/07/2019 at 21:16:33
215 Posted 30/07/2019 at 21:18:29
I'm sure I heard one these pundits saying he has the "Balotelli" in him! We need a goalscorer, lets hope he is the one.
216 Posted 30/07/2019 at 21:27:54
217 Posted 30/07/2019 at 21:45:38
Those guys who we've been throwing toys out of prams because we didn't sign anybody before the window closed (!) might just be right? Where are my toys? Ah, on the floor.
So the BMD show this week was another example of distracting us from a disastrous summer? As if we couldn't see through all that. BMD will never happen just like we've signed nobody this window.
Steady, Stephens, premature.
218 Posted 30/07/2019 at 21:47:39
Capped by Italy at all levels so far and 7 goals in 17 appearances last season for Juve.
This player could be the real deal to partner Richarleson so fingers crossed.
219 Posted 30/07/2019 at 22:01:21
I don't think any of us really know just how good this lad is, and how amazing and important he's going to be, he's a next level player, he's really that good.YEAH
220 Posted 30/07/2019 at 22:08:04
221 Posted 30/07/2019 at 22:21:44
222 Posted 30/07/2019 at 22:30:47
223 Posted 30/07/2019 at 22:54:53
First heard the rumours and instantly called bullshit. This is one of the hottest properties in world football. Why would Juventus sell? Why wouldn't a Champions League club snap him up? Surely he'd cost £80m+ etc etc.
He has long been touted as the "next big thing" in Italy, and it's not like he disappointed when he finally burst onto the scene this year. A goal every 89 minutes for the Italian Champions. Two goals in two starts this year for the national team.
He looks the real deal to me. A real handful.
Absolutely buzzing about this one. Buzzing I tell you!
I am dreaming though right?
224 Posted 30/07/2019 at 23:00:16
225 Posted 30/07/2019 at 23:13:06
226 Posted 30/07/2019 at 23:22:38
227 Posted 30/07/2019 at 23:23:04
Just thought I'd share that with you.
228 Posted 30/07/2019 at 23:30:25
You tube highlights look good but not great - I don't see the searing pace or amazing skill (compare Zaha's dribbling for amazing skill for example)
BUT I do see a goal scorer- let's please hope to God that this is the case
229 Posted 30/07/2019 at 23:41:49
I know the hate-Rom brigade never bought into it, but the big guy is a superb passer with exquisite touch. He racked up 29 assists for us in 166 appearances -- excellent for a solitary striker -- and some of them were absolutely elegant.
In his entire Serie A career, 35 games, young Mr. Kean has one assist.
And he is not, at least not yet, more skilful than Rom. He still has a high rate of turnovers off his dribble.
230 Posted 30/07/2019 at 23:49:20
231 Posted 31/07/2019 at 00:50:59
Here's hoping that the signing of Kean inspires Ellis Simms to work hard and bring his game on.
Also hoping we sign Tomori on loan with an option to buy. He looks a player.
232 Posted 31/07/2019 at 00:50:59
Here's hoping that the signing of Kean inspires Ellis Simms to work hard and bring his game on.
Also hoping we sign Tomori on loan with an option to buy. He looks a player.
233 Posted 31/07/2019 at 01:12:04
When he first looked at the job he probably spent a couple weeks laughing and pacing. Huge job he took on... he is doing it so much better than expected but everything we hoped. Hopefully he doesn't ruin it by bringing in a Charlie Austin
234 Posted 31/07/2019 at 04:36:18
Fingers crossed it all gets locked away soon.
235 Posted 31/07/2019 at 04:51:40
As for Moise not having the same skill level yet, i would suggest he is already more skilful. Lukaku generally powers past players using his pace and strength, i don, t recall him beating too many players with his skill, if any. Moise looks to have a very good skill set by comparison. At the end of the day, i am just delighted the young lad appears to be on his way to Goodison Park!!
236 Posted 31/07/2019 at 05:11:38
Regarding his superb passing touch, I had the same debate with another TW poster here shortly before Rom left. I spent hours researching, finding and posting links to YouTube videos of the best 10 of those 29 assists. My debate opponent conceded the point. I won't do the same now because Rom's long gone and I don't have the time, but in my opinion he was a brilliant passer for us. I'm not sure who else ever put up that many assists for us in four seasons, but whoever it was certainly wasn't playing the lone striker position. That man could pass.
As to whether Rom beat players with skill, jog your memory with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wk7wrcdcag
Too bad you can't ask Cahill about Rom's skill.
237 Posted 31/07/2019 at 08:04:39
238 Posted 31/07/2019 at 08:04:48
We can and should be able to match and beat any offer made for malcom who would be another huge addition.I for one have predicted a gradual rise from mediocrity perhaps the genius that is Brands will make this happen quickly.
I believe!!!! COYB
239 Posted 31/07/2019 at 08:44:54
Is that because we now have money, Brands or both?
I just feel Brands knows what hes doing he comes across as calm and professional operator. Arguably hes been one of the most important pieces of the jigsaw, given his promotion to the board I think Moshiri is impressed also.
240 Posted 31/07/2019 at 08:45:14
241 Posted 31/07/2019 at 08:54:51
242 Posted 31/07/2019 at 09:13:17
243 Posted 31/07/2019 at 09:16:59
I think this could be special. Never understood the value put on Lukaku. Always scores the last of 3 when the game is over. Did nothing for Everton.
244 Posted 31/07/2019 at 09:30:25
245 Posted 31/07/2019 at 09:44:17
246 Posted 31/07/2019 at 10:28:06
247 Posted 31/07/2019 at 10:39:06
248 Posted 31/07/2019 at 10:41:47
It was not so much as him, but us. We struggled to control the game for obvious reasons, we sat deeper, and he was more isolated. It was harder to get him the ball and it was more difficult for him to do something once he got it, as he would be deeper himself and usually very isolated.
The whole argument is a load of crap. But, who cares? He's gone. We're not debating whether Bob Latchford was a flat track bully, he's rightly celebrated and consigned to our history. Let's leave Lukaku there and be thankful for the goals and respectful as he is our record goal scorer of the Premier League era.
Let's hope those records are soon beaten by Moise Kean.
249 Posted 31/07/2019 at 10:45:01
A new shirt with Kean on the back sounds nice to me.
250 Posted 31/07/2019 at 10:55:13
(Very loose use of the word 'imminent'...)
251 Posted 31/07/2019 at 11:08:34
Its because of brands I firmly believe. He's one of the best DOF. We wanted him before Walsh but Koeman wouldn't work with him. Apparently.
252 Posted 31/07/2019 at 11:13:54
Brands is looking like the signing of the decade!
Denis, imminent means soon, and although we live in the world of rolling 24 hour sports news, soon was not going to mean hours. Apparently he's arrived in Merseyside and is undertaking a medical. If that is correct, and no reputable media outlets have said that, then I would expect to see an announcement before tea time today.
253 Posted 31/07/2019 at 11:16:43
254 Posted 31/07/2019 at 11:22:29
255 Posted 31/07/2019 at 11:23:22
On another note, I see Kean's brother is a bit of a social media demon. Hope we don't have more family butting in where they're not welcome (Lukaku/Vlasic).
Very excited for this signing!
256 Posted 31/07/2019 at 11:35:55
Blanka Vlasic was one of the biggest celebrities in Croatia. She was an Olympic Champion and also highly regarded. Combined with being an attractive girl, she had a real platform in Croatia and people were very interested in our boy. This meant she was regularly asked about him, and some innocuous answers got twisted in our media. She was always going to say he should play more, and what's wrong with saying a losing side might not be losing if her brother was playing. She never really ran the club down in a derogatory manner, she stuck up for her brother.
Anyway, this new brother is also a professional footballer. He is 26 and plays in Italy in the third or fourth tier, but was sadly released 6 months ago and has been without a club. Since then he appears to have become a cheerleader for his younger brother and you would expect him to join Moise in the North West to ensure he settles in and doesn't get too homesick.
I think Gio Kean could have a lot of influence here.
Oh, and Everton, if Biorou Kean asks us for some tractors, just pay the man and make sure they're decent!
257 Posted 31/07/2019 at 11:55:34
258 Posted 31/07/2019 at 11:56:12
259 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:07:32
260 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:17:44
261 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:17:45
262 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:21:31
263 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:23:47
264 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:25:36
Juventus don't make these kind of mistakes; they got rid of him for a reason. Terrible attitude greatly disproportionate to his talent. Too hard to fix for them...
265 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:28:10
266 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:30:16
Why is that? Because he wouldn't cower to racist scumbags?
The only terrible attitude I saw in the whole situation was Juve's pathetic captain for criticising his own player rather than the scumbag fans.
267 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:31:57
268 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:32:34
It seemed to me, observing from the UK, that there was a cultural problem in Italy, highlighted by the racism Moise Kean suffered and Bonucci's response which was to apportion some blame to the victim (Moise Kean). Bonucci said that Kean's celebration (stood still in silence arms outstretched, in front of the Cagliari fans who had been racially abusing him all game long) was partly to blame for the racist chanting they then subjected him to. Now Bonucci backtracked and said he had expressed himself poorly, but it highlights a problem that a lot of black players in Italy have complained of.
It always seemed to me that Kean, like Balotelli, found it hard to be black and Italian and that they would be better outside of the country. Balotelli's problems did not go away, but have we really seen anything of Kean to show he would have similar issues.
269 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:33:16
270 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:39:22
Personally I like; bizarre; unreliable; wayward.
271 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:44:14
272 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:56:42
Many top players don't score well against the big 6 (except for Vardy who seems to score better against them than the rest...), and I think that narrative was used to hammer him because of a strange level of dislike which I could never put my finger on. He was our best Premier League striker after all.
But the issue with Lukaku is confidence. When it goes, his touch goes â€“ he looks like he can't control a ball etc. And his overall game suffers more in those bad moments than most other players. But, over the course of his time for us, and indeed for Man Utd, his goals and assists stats per start were great. He more than paid his way, and brought us a massive profit.
And he will score well for Juve too. Really, Lukaku was a better finisher than Drogba, but didn't consistently disrupt and bully the opposition.
When we got Lukaku, it was a coup which seemed out of the reach for a club not playing Champions League football. Kean doesn't offer the same guaranteed goals return yet but he is just as much of a coup. He is leaving because Juve need to generate money and are looking towards the now rather than the future. But their desperation to secure a buy-back clause and then first refusal is obvious.
Anyone who claims he is a lesser footballer because Juve are letting him go doesn't follow football very closely. The same could be said about Lukaku, and he turned out fine. And Chelsea let both De Bruyne and Salah go. It is the same as criticism of Zaha because Man Utd let him go. It makes little sense ultimately â€“ some the game's best players left a big club because their path to the first team was blocked for one reason or another.
You could build a world beating team with them, and Kean could be a wordly. He is exactly the kind of player we should target â€“ we can't close the gap by buying players like Walcott but we can by investing in young players with huge potential.
273 Posted 31/07/2019 at 12:57:22
274 Posted 31/07/2019 at 13:07:08
I can tell you one thing for sure is that it is almost impossible for a Juventus player to have bad press in Italy and still the facts are that they are getting rid of him.
He was excluded from a vital game of the Under 21 team this summer for disciplinary problems too together with another Italian rising (maybe) star Zaniolo this is common knowledge.
If he can score 20 goals for us next season I will be as happy as any other Evertonian
275 Posted 31/07/2019 at 13:19:17
276 Posted 31/07/2019 at 13:34:45
I think there is a difference between a difficult person (which is what some have said Kean is, ie strong-willed, big-headed, selfish, etc) and crazy (which is what Balotelli is). A difficult person can be different in in different circumstances, he may see leaving Juventus as a signal that he needs to work harder to get to the top, and at 19 he is only just an adult and even the best of us still had a lot of growing up to do at 19 (I certainly did for sure) and so let's be optimistic he can do so.
Gio, I think with his love of American Rap Culture, and all his dancing videos on social media, that it rubbed a lot of Italians up the wrong way, would you disagree?
I expect he can express himself more freely in England, and that he will grow as a person as a result. I'm extremely optimistic and feel this is perhaps the biggest signing we have made since Lukaku in 2014 and perhaps of the whole Premier League era.
277 Posted 31/07/2019 at 13:44:37
278 Posted 31/07/2019 at 14:00:49
I've been proven wrong before believe it or not
His music taste might improve too ;)
With regards to Kean becoming our best signing I have to say that I still have great hopes for Richarlison who is only 22yo and always seems to be working his socks off while delivering the goods.
279 Posted 31/07/2019 at 14:12:12
280 Posted 31/07/2019 at 14:19:44
281 Posted 31/07/2019 at 14:26:59
282 Posted 31/07/2019 at 14:29:21
283 Posted 31/07/2019 at 14:36:21
It looked like he'd eaten Yakubu for lunch !
284 Posted 31/07/2019 at 14:46:56
So, subject to injury etc. I think we can take it that Kean is going to be a regular starter for EFC.
285 Posted 31/07/2019 at 14:52:28
Will believe it when there's the nice pic of him holding a blue scarf with a big smile on his face (as opposed to the miserable look that Lennon had when he signed).
286 Posted 31/07/2019 at 14:54:16
If we wanted Malcolm, Brands would not have let it go so far before trying to outbid Zenit.
So plenty of rumour talk flying around on different players.
Let's see who we get in before the transfer window closes.
287 Posted 31/07/2019 at 14:56:04
288 Posted 31/07/2019 at 15:10:03
Jim #272, yours too.
Gio Mero, mille grazie for your contributions re Kean. Do you think perhaps he's just going through a maturing process? That March/April streak seemed to be quite a step up for the kid.
289 Posted 31/07/2019 at 15:14:36
290 Posted 31/07/2019 at 15:15:03
Thanks for putting some knowledgable input on this guy which most of us havent really seen play but are just going on the hype surrounding him.
If the experts value him so highly do you think he could have been effected by the culture and politics in Italy so may well up his game in a friendlier and easier environment.
291 Posted 31/07/2019 at 15:19:31
292 Posted 31/07/2019 at 15:26:46
It must be difficult for them to accept that one of their young stars wanted to leave. Sounds like they're trying to save face.
293 Posted 31/07/2019 at 15:54:25
I think when faced with competition from Aubamayang and Lacazette he would think his chances are better at Goodison with only Richarleson.
Besides, selection depends on your performances and the other offensive players have been less than impressive so if he has speed, skill and a better knack of scoring than all the others he will play most games.
294 Posted 31/07/2019 at 16:02:07
295 Posted 31/07/2019 at 16:02:16
@jay Harris He'll definitely love the British culture as he's certainly had it tough in Italy. He'll definitely grow but ultimately I believe it comes down to wether you have it in you to become a player or not. If you get to Juventus first team you must be good, from there on it's small margins
Mike that's the big question. Is he maturing? At Juve he had tons of winning mentality and experience to draw upon in the changing room, some cool heads and some knobs (i.e. Bonucci) and still I don't think he was moving in the right direction. Now all you guys are showing more caution in passing judgement than I have (the British way possibly?). Let's take my comment as just a snapshot of this moment in time and hope the Everton blue jersey will work it's magic
296 Posted 31/07/2019 at 16:07:39
297 Posted 31/07/2019 at 16:30:24
298 Posted 31/07/2019 at 16:34:21
299 Posted 31/07/2019 at 16:50:01
Do we think we'll push for Zaha?!
RB pushing for places with Coleman
If we also manage to trim the fat:
(Walcott and Tosun are neither here or there for me, don't mind keeping them for back up but that's big wages)
If we manage any where near the above it will be by far the best transfer window we've ever had. With Brands in charge I have every confidence.
300 Posted 31/07/2019 at 16:56:25
301 Posted 31/07/2019 at 16:57:51
302 Posted 31/07/2019 at 17:08:34
Phil #301, I wouldn't do that. Kean is only 19 and an unknown quantity in a new league. DCL is the incumbent starter, and he and Kean could possibly form a pacey front two. If there's a loan possible, I'd make it Tosun.
Sam #300, Ziyech to me is a lost dream. I was lobbying for him before we bought Klaassen.
303 Posted 31/07/2019 at 17:15:41
Phil #301 Personally I'd let Tosun go before DCL. I know DCL can't score a goal to save his life but he brings a lot of other qualities to the team like being a nuisance to defenders and winning aerial duels which gives us the chance to switch to a direct style (scared the crap out of Liverpool this year in the 2nd half). Tosun has skills but he's far too slow or something. Also it gives DCL the chance to keep improving and getting game time whereas Tosun likely won't get much better in my opinion.
304 Posted 31/07/2019 at 17:33:12
305 Posted 31/07/2019 at 17:41:09
I picked Inter Milan when I was a kid in the 60's for all the reasons you said about EFC-they, amongst all the serie A teams, closely mirrored the mighty blues and I have followed them to this day.
306 Posted 31/07/2019 at 17:47:13
I should have said trim the remaining fat, because yes 100% we have already done a great job moving players on. Big squad left from the Koeman/Walsh disaster
307 Posted 31/07/2019 at 17:50:59
308 Posted 31/07/2019 at 17:57:24
309 Posted 31/07/2019 at 18:08:03
That made me feel even happier than I was already.
310 Posted 31/07/2019 at 18:30:03
To me the jury is still out on the manager but hope he will develop a great side.
I have posted a few times that I believe the club has a long term.strategy to reach a peak the year new stadium opens. Still think that.
I love the preseason excitement and anticipation. That relatively good run of fixtures at start of season could really help team believe in their chances and...and this is stretching it...make for a cheerful TW in the autumn!
311 Posted 31/07/2019 at 18:41:12
This is surely the year that the player he has been evolving into becomes the almost finished article.
I know nothing compared to a lot of more educated posters on this site but my instinct tells me he will establish himself this year, he will finally click into the forward he has been aiming to become. or he gets found out.
I know this is all a bit black + white but something tells me this is the year when we found out who DCL is.
I'm interested to know what fellow Toffewebbers think of this.
312 Posted 31/07/2019 at 18:54:35
There are a few dimensions to this.
Kean is young and cannot be expected to play every single game. This will give DCL plenty of opportunities.
Kean will inevitably have a dip in form. This may be initially as he takes time to adjust, or later in the season when a lack of experience will mean he has poor games.
Kean is capable of playing as a wide forward. This may allow space for he and DCL to play in the same games.
DCL has also played wide on occasions. This tactic may be used to exploit opposition full backs in the air, as DCL is superb in the air.
Ultimately, it will provide DCL with major competition and give him a chance to show everybody what he has in his locker.
Playing with team mates of increased quality may bring his game on more.
I can only see positives here from our point of view.
313 Posted 31/07/2019 at 19:23:18
Dermot, you'll be with me on Silva before Christmas.
Billy, for sure. It's The season for Calvert-Lewin. He will either start banging them in or he will watch Kean do so and head for lesser club next summer.
314 Posted 31/07/2019 at 19:28:20
315 Posted 31/07/2019 at 19:29:53
316 Posted 31/07/2019 at 19:37:18
317 Posted 31/07/2019 at 19:40:27
@Eric Myles Hahaha that makes perfect sense if you are 20 years old! Joking of course, good mate you had there
318 Posted 31/07/2019 at 19:44:24
Been thinking a bit about him recently as I rehab a Yak injury.
Calmest man in front of goal I ever saw. No powerhouse shot, no towering headers, just uncanny anticipation and that otherworldly certainty he was going to score.
I wonder what might have happened if we had brought him back from the Leicester loan.
319 Posted 31/07/2019 at 19:48:55
320 Posted 31/07/2019 at 19:51:52
Thats a great story.
I used to work for an Italian company and spent a lot of time over there between Bologna and Napoli so you guessed it I ended up supporting Napoli as my Italian team and was fortunate enough to watch them win the European cup in Napoli which reminds me so much of Liverpool.
321 Posted 31/07/2019 at 19:52:29
322 Posted 31/07/2019 at 19:53:46
I mentioned on Laurie's Lukaku thread that I thought Yak was a better finisher than Rom.
Yak could be a bit up and down and had an element of I'll do it when I feel like it about him. But I also felt that he was approaching his peak and in Moyes had exactly the kind of manager he needed. That wouldn't let him get away with his bullshit and coast.
His injury was a real blow to that side. In fact the injuries through the spine of the side - Jags, Arteta and Yak, stopped it right in its tracks. It was good enough to have a run at the top 4.
Yak was an outrageously good finisher. Definitely better than Lukaku. And he could play as well. If he'd have had a few seasons here at his peak, injury free, he'd have bagged loads.
323 Posted 31/07/2019 at 20:08:26
Loved the Yak, but for finishing quality... no contest.
324 Posted 31/07/2019 at 20:12:38
325 Posted 31/07/2019 at 20:34:44
326 Posted 31/07/2019 at 20:39:42
327 Posted 31/07/2019 at 20:43:16
He also says Nathan Broadhead is going out on loan.
Perhaps we'll get Lemina and Gbamin?
It looks like Schneiderlin is going out on loan and McCarthy will likely also leave.
I don't think Davies is going to get any game time. He should also go out on loan.
328 Posted 31/07/2019 at 20:45:30
329 Posted 31/07/2019 at 20:51:33
It looks like we are getting both Lemina and Gbamin? It means the writing is on the wall for McCarthy and that Schneiderlin must be off too. Maybe Marco thinks one or both could also cover the CB position? I would also fear for my immediate future if I was Tom Davies.
Some serious business being done this summer. But knowing Silva, I would expect this to be the last busy transfer window and for the future ones to be about bringing in one or two, mainly top class players, as the squad becomes well and truly his own.
330 Posted 31/07/2019 at 20:52:08
You think that Romelu was a better finisher than the Yak? Perhaps you're right but, in all fairness, you have to consider their respective ages when signing. Rom was 21 and the Yak was at least 39.
331 Posted 31/07/2019 at 20:54:32
332 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:03:24
"I've seen Moise Kean 4/5 times, he could do much better than Everton"
Rodney Marsh, if any of you bump into him, give him a bit of stick - fucking prick!
333 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:05:14
From what I've read, the agent Raiola has been in Liverpool today and Kean is in Monaco.
Fingers crossed for Gbamin as well â€“ he looks a good player, and handy he can play at the back as well as midfield.
334 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:06:06
335 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:11:26
I think he has shinguards older than that.
336 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:12:09
Good point about the CB position and gives Marco more cover/options. I would still like to see a dedicated CB (preferably Zouma) brought in. Maybe Zouma will happen on deadline day â€“ again!
Does anyone know what the latest is regarding Neres as that one seems to have gone very quiet. Also, are we being seriously linked with any RBs?
337 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:15:53
338 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:20:33
339 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:23:56
340 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:31:16
Just checked with the online club shop, they still aren't stocking the KrÃ¸ldrup-proof rubber bedsheets to prevent those embarrassing laundry mornings which inevitably follow the mere mention of his name.
341 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:40:30
Have a look a his winners medals list, he could have done SO much better but his list doesn't show just how many times he FAILED to turn up for training 'cos he was utterly shitfaced pissed drunk.
THAT was his biggest statistic.
Never woken up by a waiter bearing vintage champagne, in a room scattered with tenners, in bed with "Miss World".
The poor mans poor George "Next" Best.
He was NEVER good enough for the club that Moise Kean is about to join.
What a sad sack.
342 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:40:36
Jay Harris, are we talking Maradona's Napoli? Can't really blame you. That was romantic football
343 Posted 31/07/2019 at 21:54:02
Rom has many weaknesses to his game but finishing certainly isn't one of them.
If Rom is 30 yards from the goal with a defender and a goalkeeper to beat it is virtually no contest. He's probably one of the best I've ever seen in these situations and the outcome was often inevitable.
Rom scores some truly superb goals for Everton of all different kinds of variety. And with some frequency too.
345 Posted 31/07/2019 at 22:33:39
Oliver # 332. I started feeling annoyed reading Marsh's BS. Then I quickly remembered that HIS opinion is worth fuck-all. If you see him just laugh.
346 Posted 31/07/2019 at 22:45:51
347 Posted 31/07/2019 at 22:45:53
My wife took me to Rome for my birthday and by coincidence, it was the weekend of the Rome derby. It was the first one after the de Canio fascist salute. There were troops everywhere but despite high tension, it passed off reasonably peacefully. The game was no great shakes, defences on top. We were among the Roma fans so that was a decision made. Then I found out that Roma is the working-class club, historically, so it felt even more like home.
Although I do take the point about Napoli, which I see as the Italian Liverpool (city).
348 Posted 31/07/2019 at 22:50:13
349 Posted 31/07/2019 at 22:59:46
350 Posted 31/07/2019 at 23:42:44
There are times I think everyone in "professional" football is these days merely in it for themselves, leaving all the graft to various others while they and their agent get mega-rich,
In this case, merely due to his age, I don't blame Kean but for Christ's sake, even as a teenage wanna-be, why does it take so effing long? Playing with his team-mates as soon as can only improve him and us, or am I missing summat?
351 Posted 31/07/2019 at 00:04:27
I absolutely share your frustration.
I think part of the problem is the endless news cycle. Years ago we didn't know we had a player until he was pictured in our shirt. We didn't know much about when the first bid was made, where the player was currently holidaying and we certainly didn't have his family members teasing us on social media.
That said, Everton do seem to drag this stuff out more than most. But maybe that just because you and I scrutinise it more.
I have never seen this guy play so I'm going purely on others comments and the hype. I watched his YouTube highlights (I know, I know) and was completely underwhelmed. A platform able to make any player look world class and I fear he looks decidedly average. Again, I haven't seen him play, so who am I to judge. I just hope we get it right.
352 Posted 01/08/2019 at 03:56:13
353 Posted 01/08/2019 at 04:49:18
Ability yes, work rate, attitude and mentality??
354 Posted 01/08/2019 at 05:04:19
And one goal was a gamewinner while he was being serenaded by monkey noises.
Yeah, he clearly has typical teenage maturity issues and we don't know how he'll develop, but I for one am not the least bit concerned about his mentality. He's gotta have cojones the size of basketballs.
355 Posted 01/08/2019 at 05:12:10
I disagree with your attempt to airbrush out the profound weaknesses in Lukaku's game with this 'confidence' nonsense. Why is that the Mancs turned on him in exactly the same way as Blues fans did?
Because they saw exactly the same weaknesses that simply made no sense for a guy with as much strength and skill and yes, confidence as Lukaku had. Very telling for me that he has not made the grade at Old Trafford.
It will be interesting, very interesting if his best ever stats were to be with Everton. And yet so many of us didn't think he was really good enough.
As for this gem: "We can [close the gap] by investing in young players with huge potential." — Isn't that exactly what Tosun, Vlasic, Besic, Ramirez, Lookman, Onyekurur, Tarashaj, even Mirallas, they were all supposed to be?
We cannot know in advance how any young player will turn out but this one is looking like a huge gamble. I hope Brands and Silva have got it right this time, for all our sakes.
356 Posted 01/08/2019 at 06:02:37
I have no argument that the lad scored on a regular basis for us, but you will never convince me he has terrific control. Nor will the odd clip prove he has amazing dribbling skills. Based on what I saw when he was with us and what I have seen seen since he left, nothing has changed that much.
But I am sure if I search long enough I can find no end of clips highlighting the mis-control, over hit passes etc.
357 Posted 01/08/2019 at 07:12:11
358 Posted 01/08/2019 at 07:23:42
359 Posted 01/08/2019 at 07:29:56
In my book you two are the greatest evertonians I can claim to know.
I am proud that I am part of a club that recognises the sacrifices we have to make to get to games, unlike most clubs who just look at fans as commercial units.
Enjoy Bremen ðŸ‘
360 Posted 01/08/2019 at 08:06:22
361 Posted 01/08/2019 at 08:39:02
And it wasn't just the "odd goal" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_uV8pPPWo
362 Posted 01/08/2019 at 08:46:33
I'm just saying that pace, strength, obvious goalscoring instinct and big fat bollocks are a pretty good starting point for a young player.
(I'm not familiar with that team x(g) statistic... as you know I love stats, so please explain that one to me when you have a chance.)
363 Posted 01/08/2019 at 09:05:27
That was until I mentioned Lukaku, and she lost her composure completely. Don't talk about that lazy bastard she said, I've never seen a United forward, who didn't need his kit washing after a Manchester derby, after a Manchester derby you should be carried off the pitch at the end, but this fella never even broke sweat.
364 Posted 01/08/2019 at 09:17:10
So, unless something spectacular happens in the next week, I think we'll be starting at Palace with much the same line up as last season, with Delph instead of Gueye in midfield, and Mina in for Zouma at the back.
365 Posted 01/08/2019 at 09:38:57
There are so many parties/interests involved in every transfer it should come as no surprise they take so long.
Compared to most of the clubs in the top half of the PL we seem to be doing pretty well in terms of both recruiting and off-loading - with plenty happening on the last day (and of course out-going deals to European clubs have a later completion date)
366 Posted 01/08/2019 at 09:51:33
367 Posted 01/08/2019 at 09:59:09
Whichever way Silva goes with this it gives him options which he didn't have before. If the midfield signings happen he will have real competition for places rather than an obvious first eleven with lesser players to come in off the bench.
Brands is really going for it- the young players who aren't ready are being sold off to raise some cash and reduce the wage bill and he is looking to replace them with better young players who are ready for the first team. This is a pretty ruthless approach in an attempt to crash the top 6 ( at least) and if the rumours about the young Brazilian are true then that is a real statement of intent and very ambitious for us. Moshiri is clearly backing him all the way.
If we sign the midfielder from Mainz I expect to see Morgan and James leave very quickly and I am sure Besic will end up at another championship club. Whether we can shift Niasse, Bolasie etc remains to be seen.
368 Posted 01/08/2019 at 10:16:40
You might have won that point, but not this one, I'm surprised you're not managing with your knowledge.
Lukaku didn't improve his touch before he left, or he wouldn't be in the situation he is now at Utd. As for your YouTube comments, even Tosun looks world class on there. And this lad Kean, was the player that dislodged Dybala towards the end of last season, who supposed to be a 80m+ player, we could sign Messi and people would moan, this lad is what we've been hoping for the last few seasons.
369 Posted 01/08/2019 at 10:17:23
I am hoping that all will go through soon, the longer it lingers does raise those fears previously mentioned. You mention 'DCL missing the predatory striker element' I am of the opinion that you either have it or you don't and I don't believe coaching OR time will change that.
The lad can't be faulted for his general and hold-up play but I would be very surprised if he ever became prolific in front of goal.
370 Posted 01/08/2019 at 10:27:16
371 Posted 01/08/2019 at 10:32:45
Contracts are legally binding agreements, and as such are extremely complex. More so today than ever before. Again, that takes time.
We always think our deals take longer than other clubs, but it's simply not true. Look at the Pepe deal over at Arsenal - announced a week ago, but has he signed yet? No he hasnt. Same situation.
The clamour for information is fuelled by the Internet, and the modern way of instant gratification. Now, now, now. Quick fixes.
There are human beings involved in this, the player, his family & friends. You don't just pick up a footballer and drop him off in a new country, at a new club and that's that.
372 Posted 01/08/2019 at 10:40:23
If you look at the reaction of The Yak and his teammates when he scored that is what I want to see.
As far as comparing Yakubu and Lukaku is concerned I would say they are two very different types of striker but if you asked me who I would pick between the two of them in my team it would be The Yak all day long for me.
From the little I have seen of Kean on YouTube I would say he can run at players shoot like Lukaku did but he also seems to be able to stroke the ball into the net like The Yak.
I am hoping that we can help this young lad settle and get captured by the spirit of the club. If that happens I think we will end up with a terrific striker.
For the opposition having to contend with two young guns like Kean & Richarlison with an old hand like Bernard (ðŸ˜‰) providing the bullets will be a nightmare.
373 Posted 01/08/2019 at 11:08:00
374 Posted 01/08/2019 at 11:33:01
I'd bet that no-one bought from now till end of window will be in the starting XI.
Coleman Keane Mina Digne
Richarlison Siggy Bernard
I think we will miss Gueye especially as neither Delph nor (especially) Gomes are great defensively. In fact it may be that he starts Schneiderlin.
Replacing Gueye is going to be the hardest job I think and I rate Gbamin (if its him) but he will have to settle quickly.
375 Posted 01/08/2019 at 11:35:26
Good points and don't forget all the work that goes in to announcing a signing on the club's side.
They have to agree squad numbers which may affect other players (and their agents), prepare video/web content for evertonfc.com, complete interviews for media, brief players and officials, produce enough replica shirts for sale and make sure stock is available at all outlets to maximise the demand spike, close off negotiations respectfully with other clubs/players/agents who may have been striker option (1/)2, 3, etc, revise transfer strategy based on remaining budget as the deal is finessed in the final stages.
There's a whole raft of work and knock on effects to deal with, mostly in secret, without considering last minute hitches and gazump handling.
376 Posted 01/08/2019 at 11:39:18
Points taken regarding contracts are complicated and example of Pepe for Arsenal.
But your “life adminâ€ reason is not really a good reason for the delay as signing a contract doesn't mean he needs to immediately buy a house and have his family moved here tomorrow or tonight. He still can fly back to Italy to arrange for his family etc
378 Posted 01/08/2019 at 11:55:27
I think a lot of people forget that footballers are human beings, and have lives beyond just the playing side of things to deal with. You've simplified it massively by saying, "oh he can just fly back and sort all that out afterwards". The point is, it does matter to people BEFORE they agree to a professional contract (not just in football).
379 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:00:17
But it does, nt alter the fact that he, more often than not, has a dreadful first touch. I am delighted that Kean appears to be our player and think he will thrive. I can, t say the same about our former player if he goes to Italy. Nor I am bothered to be honest
380 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:00:41
381 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:04:17
The most realistic reason is that a deal has still not been agreed with Juventus, a contract has not been agreed with him and his agent or more worryingly, they are playing a waiting game to see if a better offer comes in. It's almost certainly not because a deal and contract are in place but he's not signed because he's worried about his personal affects
382 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:08:55
But when I was single I would go anywhere and put up with almost anything, but I suppose the lads parents are concerned about how he will fare a long way from home and are getting the appropriate reassurances from the Club that he won't become the new Royston Drenthe!
383 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:09:21
As I keep saying, and you're right on this, it isn't the main reason, but it's part of the reason. See the difference?
I wish people would be a bit more reasoned in their thinking on here these days.
384 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:18:14
Juve have to also think about their own PR on these deals, so timing will be important to them as well as to when they release details of transfers regarding their players.
This isn't just about Everton.
386 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:35:52
The days of Cloughie supposedly keeping a potential recruit up all night in his lounge until they signed are long gone.
387 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:35:52
The days of Cloughie supposedly keeping a potential recruit up all night in his lounge until they signed are long gone.
388 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:36:43
1. Scout the player
2. Agree a fee with Club
3. Agree terms with Player
4. Sort Contract and legals
5. Arrange for player to travel
6. Have medical (2 days)
7. Media preparation
8. Announce signing
All these things take time when done diligently!
I think we're in between 5 and 6
389 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:43:51
The real problem here with fans reactions & expectations is the way the media go about things. They're all so desperate to be the first with the 'exclusive' information that they hype everyone up by announcing these deals WAY before they're anywhere close to completion so people get impatient.
"What's taking the club so long?" is the often heard complaint. Well just because the papers have 'announced' the deals doesn't really mean anything. The headline of this very thread is "imminent" when in fact it definitely wasn't imminent when the thread was created.
Expectation vs reality.
390 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:48:03
391 Posted 01/08/2019 at 12:59:33
He got dropped from the U21 championships for consistently turning up late for training. This seems to show a sign of arrogance and not being able to follow instructions from an authority.
His is favourite player is Ballotelli, which says a lot about how he admires those that behave as individuals and don't conform to rules.
Juve have decided that they are not willing to invest in him and would rather let someone else manage the risk, and then buy him back if he finally comes good.
With the above in mind, 㿊 million seems like a huge amount of money on someone that's only played a handful of games in a foreign. I think I'd rather have gone the whole hog and buy back Lukaku who has proved what he can do. Has anybody else got any insights into this kids attitude?
392 Posted 01/08/2019 at 13:58:58
393 Posted 01/08/2019 at 14:27:33
Yeh, I think Marcel Brands has an insight, mate.
394 Posted 01/08/2019 at 14:33:45
395 Posted 01/08/2019 at 14:43:43
We shouldn't announce this on the weekend. It should be done this evening so all the papers and talk shows cover it tomorrow, or tomorrow morning for the same reasons.
Knowing us, they'll announce it at the worst time - like Sunday at 11 am.
I, too, despite understanding there's a process involving millions, am growing impatient.
But it'll all be over in a week.
396 Posted 01/08/2019 at 15:06:26
So come on Everton, get it done PDQ / ASAP.
397 Posted 01/08/2019 at 15:20:15
Several days ago, I read that the paperwork had all been signed off and only the medical remained.
Playing cards close to your chest is one thing â€“ but some indication from the club would ease a lot of minds.
398 Posted 01/08/2019 at 15:34:14
399 Posted 01/08/2019 at 15:37:34
Hugh #397, much as we would like it, it's not the club's job to concern us or ease our minds. They will say what they have to say when the time is right.
400 Posted 01/08/2019 at 15:45:57
Rob 396, the Juve forum doesnt seem to be complaining about him leaving at all. In fact, I've just learnt that many fans believe he refused the contract that was offered, and has been sold by Juve as they could have lost him for nothing next year. Most are blaming his agent for this. The forum could be in sour grapes mode as they know he is leaving, but there are genuinely very few people that seem sad that he is going.
401 Posted 01/08/2019 at 15:54:56
402 Posted 01/08/2019 at 15:57:42
I hear what you're saying about Lukaku, one of his right footed top corner efforts went through my head before posted.
There's a reason I said Yak was a better finisher and not striker, or front man, or whatever. Because if I had to take one of the two, I'd take Lukaku.
By finisher I was talking about just having a chance and sticking it away. Not whether you needed someone to create chances for you or not, not the all round game of being able to create for yourself - which Lukaku actually very rarely did and an aspect of his game that's disappeared at United as he's bulked up, or, as Tommy referred to, being 30 yards from goal with a man to beat (Leicester or City away perhaps).
I was more thinking of a Greaves or Fowler type thing. If you've got a chance, ball at your feet, will you slot? Just based on that I think Yak was a better, more natural, finisher than Lukaku. Yak could just pass it in. One on one with the keeper, I'd take Yak. He was much better from the spot as well, incidentally.
However, on the basis of all their qualities as a front man I'd probably take Lukaku over Yak.
403 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:06:41
404 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:08:20
405 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:11:18
406 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:39:02
407 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:40:03
To paraphrase â€“ last day in juventus for Moise Kean as he is in Liverpool tomorrow for his medical with Everton. He is joining because Juve need the money and his style is more counterattacking so Sarri doesn't think he will be a good fit for Sarriball.
408 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:40:15
409 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:42:52
410 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:43:41
411 Posted 01/08/2019 at 16:54:55
413 Posted 01/08/2019 at 17:28:14
414 Posted 01/08/2019 at 17:31:35
Anything to do with the thread? Not a fucking thing.
415 Posted 01/08/2019 at 17:37:07
416 Posted 01/08/2019 at 17:37:33
Brian #414, you are a very mean person. Buona sera, signore.
417 Posted 01/08/2019 at 17:39:45
418 Posted 01/08/2019 at 17:40:23
419 Posted 01/08/2019 at 17:46:38
420 Posted 01/08/2019 at 17:51:26
421 Posted 01/08/2019 at 17:57:18
422 Posted 01/08/2019 at 18:10:58
423 Posted 01/08/2019 at 19:06:40
424 Posted 01/08/2019 at 19:11:19
425 Posted 01/08/2019 at 19:35:07
I hope I'm just being pessimistic but time will tell.
426 Posted 01/08/2019 at 19:38:09
427 Posted 01/08/2019 at 19:40:30
And he should know...
428 Posted 01/08/2019 at 19:54:46
429 Posted 01/08/2019 at 20:32:31
430 Posted 01/08/2019 at 20:44:24
Top 4 if we swing that
431 Posted 01/08/2019 at 20:55:38
Let's hope. Only young
432 Posted 01/08/2019 at 21:02:31
433 Posted 01/08/2019 at 21:56:31
434 Posted 01/08/2019 at 22:07:52
435 Posted 01/08/2019 at 22:17:28
Does anyone have any news on this?
436 Posted 01/08/2019 at 22:18:45
An interesting perspective on Kean, by actually watching him play. It's easy to forget he is 19, and get carried away by transfer excitement. He will develop â€“ and hopefully he is given the time and chance to â€“ at Everton.
437 Posted 01/08/2019 at 22:22:28
438 Posted 01/08/2019 at 22:26:45
I think it's more likely he looks up to Balotelli because he's the highest profile black Italian footballer. The racist abuse that he's faced Balotelli has faced too.
And in that context you can see how his admiration of Balotelli's larger-than-life personality might actually be a good thing. It suggests he's not afraid to express himself (and how often have we bemoaned the lack of characters in the squad?).
439 Posted 01/08/2019 at 22:27:37
440 Posted 01/08/2019 at 22:29:48
Maybe it's almost there, but if not by Saturday, I'd have some doubts.
Gio, thanks for the insight from Italy, and welcome to the Everton Family.
Inter has always been my Italian team, and here's to success this season for our teams.
441 Posted 01/08/2019 at 22:30:51
442 Posted 01/08/2019 at 22:43:25
443 Posted 01/08/2019 at 23:23:48
The forward, who has shown his potential for Juventus and Italy, will hope more playing time can help him flourish.
444 Posted 01/08/2019 at 23:57:44
They all seem convinced about the lad...
445 Posted 02/08/2019 at 00:07:45
446 Posted 02/08/2019 at 00:43:46
I stand corrected. I had forgotten that.
There was a NewsNow feed today that said we were interested in De Light.
In the excitement, I forgot he had already gone.
447 Posted 02/08/2019 at 00:49:36
Paul Joyce is one of the most reliable there is on this sort of thing.
Oh, and the number of reds commenting on that tweet, saying that they "don't care", is testament to the fact that a) They really do care, and b) They're shitting their pants.
448 Posted 02/08/2019 at 02:23:08
Anyway, back to business, here's hoping we get this one over the line, with a couple more late surprises.
449 Posted 02/08/2019 at 05:38:54
You can't say 'Keano' 3 times in a row?
That summons up Steve Kean from Hell and he will take over as manager.
450 Posted 02/08/2019 at 07:16:01
We need to replace Gana and that is a big loss; we need another centre half and right back to replace Coleman if injured. I also think we need a decent winger.
451 Posted 02/08/2019 at 07:47:47
452 Posted 02/08/2019 at 08:27:39
I'm still convinced we will bring in 4-5 new players over next 7 days.
Kean is practically done. Gbamin will hopefully follow soon after. Then the mystery ramps up but think we'll see a RW and a CB and very possibly a RB too. Last two may well be loan moves. Plus a heap of outgoings. Busy Brands.
453 Posted 02/08/2019 at 08:37:50
Like the sound of this guy...
454 Posted 02/08/2019 at 08:42:32
According to said article, Man Utd turned down chance to sign Kean and Juve have let him go because they are not convinced he is going to make the big time.
I am truly beginning to believe that there is a conspiratorial press campaign to discredit EFC - what I don't know is why?
455 Posted 02/08/2019 at 09:02:22
456 Posted 02/08/2019 at 09:02:31
457 Posted 02/08/2019 at 09:08:52
"Juventus believe they are getting a great deal from Everton, with the reigning Serie A champions not convinced about Kean's long-term future. They simply do not see the teenager developing into a top class forward."
458 Posted 02/08/2019 at 09:12:44
459 Posted 02/08/2019 at 09:17:08
When the doctor tells them things are "imminent" they might head off to Spain for a fortnight.
460 Posted 02/08/2019 at 09:35:49
"Everton is a big club, and the manager convinced me straight away this was the place for me. I will give everything for the team, my team mates and the fans. I will always give 100%"
Kean goes on to say, "Yes, there were other teams interested in me, but Everton is a big project with big plans, and the manager, along with Marcel Brands made it clear to me that Everton was the best place for to develop my game".
There, now you don't need to wait. Off you go to the Internet to look at those Photoshopped pictures of him in our kit that his Brother posted the other day, and the deal is done.
461 Posted 02/08/2019 at 09:50:27
462 Posted 02/08/2019 at 09:57:14
463 Posted 02/08/2019 at 10:00:59
Just thinking how long is it since a player called Ken played for EFC, Sansom?
Why don't we have a Bert Scroggins or a Wilf Stubbins playing anymore.
464 Posted 02/08/2019 at 10:01:06
465 Posted 02/08/2019 at 10:32:44
466 Posted 02/08/2019 at 10:47:53
467 Posted 02/08/2019 at 10:49:22
Given the above I reckon that we are looking at the starting line up for our last home game against Burnley with Mina and Gomes replacing Zouma and Gana.
As things currently stand we need to do some business in the last 8 days with a centre half still being the priority, nothing has changed in this regard.
468 Posted 02/08/2019 at 10:52:58
The cnacer within teh media spreads.
For me the biggest shame is that Carragher somehow managed to keep his job after gobbing in teenage girls face, yet Keyes and Gray are caught making a sexist remark off air and its an immediate sacking.
Double standards if you ask me unless your boss is also a kopite.
469 Posted 02/08/2019 at 11:05:42
Hakim Ziyech has said he'll only leave Ajax for a top club.
That's a thing we're aspiring to be, but we're not quite there yet.
In other words, once we start qualifying for the Champions League, we can attract a better quality of player.
Just like Paulo Dybala asking silly money (I think 350k a week) off manure, because they don't play Champions League, and that miss costs money.
470 Posted 02/08/2019 at 11:31:04
liable to happen soon; impending
Perhaps we need to change the headline of this thread to "Dragging On"!!
471 Posted 02/08/2019 at 11:42:48
472 Posted 02/08/2019 at 11:42:56
473 Posted 02/08/2019 at 11:48:12
I also saw an article, but can't find it now unfortunately, that highlighted he did no more than Klopp was doing last season with Bet Victor but, because they sponsor the club, that was deemed OK
474 Posted 02/08/2019 at 11:48:53
Mainz midfielder Jean Phillippe Gbamin is undergoing a medical at Everton ahead of a move to the Premier League, Sky Sports News understands.
The 23-year-old is expected to replace Idrissa Gueye who left for PSG earlier this week for £29m.
475 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:07:45
476 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:10:37
477 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:11:34
478 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:12:15
479 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:14:52
480 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:15:31
481 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:15:57
Fast, strong and pretty decent distributor especially with long balls. Like the best parts of Gueye and Schneiderlin!
482 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:20:35
I'd relax everyone, this is going through, we're probably just sorting out Raiola's fees. It's typical of him to add things into a deal once everything is agreed, such as to suddenly produce a big bill for services, which Juve then say they aren't paying and we have to haggle over paying it. This happened in the Pogba deal, where a £100m transfer saw him pocket more than Juve. Expect this to suddenly become a £40m transfer with Juve only getting £27m.
The guy's a parasite on the game, but we have had some benefit from his services in the past. Hopefully we announce it tomorrow, otherwise it'll be Monday morning.
483 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:23:10
484 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:28:10
DM: Gbamin / Delph
MC: Gomes / Delph / Davies
AMC: Sigurdsson / Davies
Not suggesting we play a DM, a MC and an AMC at the same time in precise positions, more that DM is the Gueye position, or a midfield anchor, and that the MC is the Gomes position and the AMC is the Sigurdsson position.
If we sign Lemina, then he is backup for Gbamin. Though both are capable of playing CB. Lemina I have seen play as such, I have no clue about Gbamin other than he has and klopp wanted him to do so.
485 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:28:24
486 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:30:48
487 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:31:51
Delph will start the season I'm sure. Then it's his to lose. If Gbabim is any good hie will probably step aside. Then again he could rotate with Gomes, play in Bernard's position... or Silva could change the shape of the team (probably only due to Siggy being injured though). We need a strong bench. I hope Silva learns to rotate better than he did last year... and plays his subs earlier,... oh and learns that he can actually change shape during a game once in a while.
488 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:46:48
David, also good point with reference to Silva last season, in his treatment of subs and the timing of them. It used to annoy me so much, when the game was crying out for change/something different early on, and not only leaving it too late, but brought on like for like, grrr!
489 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:50:08
Would basically agree with Steve Ferns's groupings. I wonder if Bernard might also get the odd nod in AM in the event of Sigurdsson losing form or fitness.
490 Posted 02/08/2019 at 12:56:39
We might be thinking of different games, Derek, but there were games where the instant reaction on Live Forum for example was that the sub was like-for-like, when in fact what was being changed was the formation. Maybe we have different games in mind.
491 Posted 02/08/2019 at 13:18:01
492 Posted 02/08/2019 at 13:22:13
No, because we all wander down after we have had breakfast but they have to travel up from London/West Country or fly in from Norway.
493 Posted 02/08/2019 at 13:26:19
Coleman Keane Mina Digne
Gomes Siggy Delph
Richarlison DCL Bernard
SUBS: Lossl, Holgate, Davies, Gbamin, Walcott, Kean, Tosun?
I would say that is a strong starting XI and a pretty decent bench, but happens if (God forbid), we have some injuries? Is the squad strong enough - the answer for me now is 'No'.
494 Posted 02/08/2019 at 13:29:06
Lets see what ace Brands has up his sleeve now.
495 Posted 02/08/2019 at 13:30:47
As for subs, every fan of every club I know moans that the manager makes subs too late. Essentially, it's bollocks. Usually it means the fan was not happy with the team selected and wants the guy he thought should be on the pitch as he anticipates said player would suddenly make a huge impact.
The manager has far more insight, including how the form of the player, how he slept, how he's looking, and how the other players are. As well as additional factors. We also don't know what the game plan is, for example a Moyes game plan of keep it tight and sit deep for 70 minutes, would mean you don't make a sub if it's 60 minutes and 0-0. You would wait for 70 minutes and a tactical shift which may require a sub to implement it.
Fans want subs sooner as they are impatient. Being hauled off as early as most fans want players hauled off can be devastating to the player's confidence, and keeping that high is a key thing for the manager.
As for changing things, we didn't have the players last season. You often looked at the bench and there was nothing there. With Delph, Gomes, Gbamin, Sigurdsson, and Davies, there is the ability to have quite different tactics, shapes and formations in the middle of the park. Therefore, we could change things considerably and so Silva might make earlier subs for tactical reasons, ie taking off Sigurdsson to plug the midfield and hold onto a lead, or taking off Gbamin and going for an equaliser with more firepower.
We look short on the wings. Richarlison and Walcott are wide forwards, not offering much creativity from midfield. Whilst Bernard is a creative player but not much of a wide forward. Without Lookman, we only have Mirallas to turn to, especially after the impressive Broadhead gets packed off on loan. Perhaps Silva sees Kean or DCL doing a job out wide. Or more likely, we will swoop for someone on deadline day. Hopefully it's one of Malcom (still not joined Zenit), Neres or Zaha.
496 Posted 02/08/2019 at 13:36:01
I also noted his accurate spraying of the ball out to either wing, not just with his right foot only.
But what impressed me most, all the more so given the position he plays (centre mid or CB) was how he 'stands up' in the tackle. No going to ground or sliding in. Giving his build that increases the odds in his favour to win the ball.
Nice change of pace and very speedy and alert in what options are available to him in his passing having won the ball, also.
497 Posted 02/08/2019 at 13:39:25
Time will tell, as Sam says.
498 Posted 02/08/2019 at 13:46:09
499 Posted 02/08/2019 at 14:04:44
500 Posted 02/08/2019 at 19:01:45
Coleman Keane Mina Digne
Richarlison Sigurdsson Bernard
Subs: Lossl, Baines, Holgate, Delph, Davies, Walcott, Calvert-Lewin.
Need CB and Winger for sure.
501 Posted 02/08/2019 at 19:12:49
502 Posted 02/08/2019 at 19:16:24
503 Posted 02/08/2019 at 19:17:06
504 Posted 02/08/2019 at 21:02:57
505 Posted 02/08/2019 at 21:27:12
506 Posted 02/08/2019 at 21:30:05
507 Posted 02/08/2019 at 21:37:44
508 Posted 02/08/2019 at 21:56:40
I know in Managerial terms he is, well almost a novice, who has been exceedingly lucky to be appointed as Manager/Coach of our great Club, but some of his decisions leave me bewildered.
509 Posted 02/08/2019 at 22:01:36
510 Posted 03/08/2019 at 07:59:07
511 Posted 03/08/2019 at 09:42:03
Raiola is what is wrong!
I don't trust him one bit.
He travelled to Liverpool 3 days ago, so what has he been up too, in probably the busiest period of the window.
I posted earlier on this thread regarding his claim that Lukaku was 99.9999% staying, and off he goes to Man Utd.
I sincerely hope and probably am wrong, but what's taking so long?
512 Posted 03/08/2019 at 10:22:59
513 Posted 03/08/2019 at 10:30:06
Remember how he dissed us about Lukaku signing for a bigger club if he had been his agent? This will go through but only once this fat tw@t is satisfied.
514 Posted 03/08/2019 at 10:44:35
It'll take a little while to settle down again but it is also worth remembering that it'll be another year until we get a chance to recruit into the under 18s (I think), and noticing the trend of moving on many of the under 23s could indicate a clearing out below as well as in the first team. I suspect this will inadvertently help a cultural shift in the youth development set up, allowing Brands time to slowly implement his playing philosophy from top to bottom, and also sort out some of the nonsense that caused the recruitment ban.
Without wanting to overuse the dreaded consultant-speak 'project', they have implemented some very astute practices above and below.
Fun times. And Kean is going to bring some fun times indeed.
515 Posted 03/08/2019 at 10:46:00
Its the Lukaku set up MkII
516 Posted 03/08/2019 at 10:49:57
Timing is important to them so not this isn't all about Everton or Raiola. Juve are moving Kean, Dybala, (possibly) Mandzukic and buying Lukaku. They have a lot of their own PR to worry about, so this should temper your temper when it comes to the Kean deal.
The Lukaku move for Juve is very much a political one - a huge part of that move is merely to stop Inter from buying him. Conte is a big Lukaku fan and tried to buy him earlier in the summer. This has become a big issue in Italian football, hence the whole deal to bring Lukaku to Juve being their main priority. Moving Dybala as part of the deal has also been extremely complex because it's a swap deal. The Kean move is second fiddle to Juve, despite it being reported before the Lukaku/Dybala swap. The legal/contractual issues surrounding the swap deal are a nightmare.
There are always 2 or 3 sides to every story.
517 Posted 03/08/2019 at 11:12:34
518 Posted 03/08/2019 at 11:47:45
519 Posted 03/08/2019 at 11:50:15
520 Posted 03/08/2019 at 11:55:30
521 Posted 03/08/2019 at 12:07:54
522 Posted 03/08/2019 at 12:16:14
The team are in Germany, will he be in the crowd!!
Last post from me re Kean until it happens.
523 Posted 03/08/2019 at 12:30:15
524 Posted 03/08/2019 at 12:30:17
Not much news on the Moise Kean situation, I can imagine him turning up imminently 5 days late, tumbleweed blowing across Finch Farm, and he encounters the FF Cat, what the f*** is going on here, where is everyone?
525 Posted 03/08/2019 at 12:33:43
526 Posted 03/08/2019 at 12:34:54
We need an edit function for these posts!
527 Posted 03/08/2019 at 12:35:42
Depending on what form this clause takes could take the shine off what is otherwise good business
Whatever the deal I think we all just want it done at this stage FFS, Have spent most of this week glued to this forum and am no wiser than last Monday :(
I need to get out more !!
528 Posted 03/08/2019 at 12:49:55
My understanding was that the paperwork between Juve and Everton was signed earlier this week - no buy back clause but first option on any offer we get if we decide to sell.
The hold up has only been Kean agreeing personal terms - which apparently was why he flew to Monaco earlier this week - and finally the medical - which is taking place today (supposedly).
Of course, the only people who are really in the know about all this are keeping quiet about it so we, as ever, will just have to wait until either our hopes are dashed, or we see him wearing the shirt and signing the contract as per Gbamin yesterday.
529 Posted 03/08/2019 at 13:00:35
530 Posted 03/08/2019 at 13:01:55
Just strikes me they wouldn't unless they knew transfer was in the bag. They probably have closer contact than Sky and the hundreds of other sites and pages that report each others gossip.
Saw one referred to on TW the other day that worried some. I researched the journalist. (OK I am sad).He was just out of college having done a fashion degree and was based in Bristol and concentrated mostly on Bristol arts and culture.
However I can see the fun from his side. May start one myself re. rumours of an imminent apocalypse and report sightings of three darkly dressed jockeys!
Always check the writer as so much is horseshit.
531 Posted 03/08/2019 at 13:02:53
Point taken it looks almost same story as earlier almost ver batim ( lazy cvnts), Will have to wait and see but we will very much have egg on our colletive faces should this fall apart
Here's hoping we can all move on with our lives 500+ plus posts and not just a few of the obligatory arguements thrown in to mix :)
I am burnt out (TFS) Transfer fatigue syndrome setting in
532 Posted 03/08/2019 at 13:06:29
534 Posted 03/08/2019 at 13:19:36
535 Posted 03/08/2019 at 13:26:43
It seems though that our fans don't do that type of thing?
536 Posted 03/08/2019 at 13:34:57
538 Posted 03/08/2019 at 15:09:24
Thanks for that somebody needed to say it, ,I feel better now (kinda ) we just brought on Walcott in Germany though !!!!
Ulcers I wish I had seriously asked my Cardiolgist this year whether supporting Everton had direct correlation to health issues :)
539 Posted 03/08/2019 at 16:55:56
You can see the way Raiola is playing this.
Get Juventus to accept lowball offer- tick
Get enormous backhander off my friend in Monaco so we pick Everton over everybody else- tick
Get favoured journo to announce the deal is done, and then and only then, insist that his new contract has a buy out clause of fifty million, so we can ensure an easy get away next year and start this whole thing over again- pending.
540 Posted 03/08/2019 at 17:19:16
541 Posted 03/08/2019 at 17:21:42
542 Posted 03/08/2019 at 18:02:58
543 Posted 03/08/2019 at 18:40:54
Something is going on.â€¦ it's a joke.
Reminds me of the Ravanelli debacle.
544 Posted 03/08/2019 at 18:55:03
545 Posted 03/08/2019 at 18:55:12
546 Posted 03/08/2019 at 18:57:05
Silva added: “I can't talk about him now as there is nothing official. Let us see what we can do. I hope we can finalise it."
Apparently not quite as imminent as we have been led to believe.
547 Posted 03/08/2019 at 18:59:43
548 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:01:06
I said earlier that Raiola is an evil, Machiavellian rat who'll squeeze us for every last penny so we have to be patient. I was under the impression that his medical was in Manchester anyway, not FF.
549 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:08:59
550 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:13:16
551 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:14:23
552 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:28:47
553 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:29:10
554 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:30:30
555 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:31:41
556 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:32:13
557 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:32:38
558 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:34:33
Unless there is something else the club are waiting for to announce the signing?
559 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:36:18
560 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:36:44
his representative must have told Everton it was in the bag, that can be the only reason that Paul Joyce and others would go public saying it was done. That seems to be a load of codswallop, and part of a strategy to force Everton to sign him up under terms disadvantageous to the club. Not very gentlemanly behaviour I'm sure you'll agree
561 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:39:01
562 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:40:21
563 Posted 03/08/2019 at 19:46:30
Then I'll wait until Monday!
564 Posted 03/08/2019 at 20:04:02
565 Posted 03/08/2019 at 20:13:45
It's like Dad's Army all over again.
Some dope is also spreading a rumour he has failed the medical.
Nothing anyone can do so let's see what happens.
566 Posted 03/08/2019 at 20:19:18
So he failed the medical?
567 Posted 03/08/2019 at 20:21:40
568 Posted 03/08/2019 at 20:29:06
I remain very optimistic about the new season generally. Silva's comments post-match today were a bit anxious, or sounded so, but I'd much rather have someone agitating to make us the best we can possibly be than someone who is content to manage mediocrity.
569 Posted 03/08/2019 at 20:52:13
570 Posted 03/08/2019 at 21:15:45
571 Posted 03/08/2019 at 21:17:07
Even if Kean signs, why are we messing around one week before the season starts trying to still find a Lukaku replacement? Calvert-Lewin is Championship standard at best.
How come little old Sheffield United were able to sign Ollie McBurnie, the best striker in the Championship last year whilst we are being used by agents?
Sorry to say this but, based on previous transfer dealings, it wouldn't surprise me at all if some in the higher echelons of the club don't even want a Kean to join â€” after all, that would cost money.
572 Posted 03/08/2019 at 21:22:20
574 Posted 03/08/2019 at 22:14:41
Silva mentioned several days when talking about Kean, something isn't right.
575 Posted 03/08/2019 at 22:45:30
578 Posted 03/08/2019 at 23:38:55
Salerno is one of the major mainland jumping off points for La Cosa Nostra from Palermo in Sicily.
To think that such a lucrative market as the European Football Empire â€“ and especially the EPL â€“ is not a major target for organised crime would be naive to the point of stupidity.
And again, the bedrock of that will be Italian football.
So don't for a minute think that what is happening here has anything to do with football, nor the individuals involved.
Others are pulling the strings and Que, Serra Serra.
579 Posted 03/08/2019 at 23:46:39
580 Posted 03/08/2019 at 23:48:25
So Raiola was a made man in the mob at 12 months before moving to Holland?
581 Posted 03/08/2019 at 23:54:13
He might have only been one - but his mother and father weren't.
582 Posted 04/08/2019 at 00:38:38
Seriously, and hopefully, the deal is done in the next 24 hours.
I sense some dictate by EFC, to the EPL, that we will no longer have a weak transfer system. The business this term is intent in outgoings and incomings.
In Brands, we trust.
583 Posted 04/08/2019 at 07:27:03
584 Posted 04/08/2019 at 08:01:14
Chill. Relax. Calm down. It will (fingers crossed) be announced, probably, tomorrow or tonight.
585 Posted 04/08/2019 at 09:43:32
586 Posted 04/08/2019 at 09:48:24
That's the short version. Everton is only half the story here, remember. Juve are pulling the strings, not us.
587 Posted 04/08/2019 at 09:49:19
588 Posted 04/08/2019 at 09:53:07
589 Posted 04/08/2019 at 10:03:12
Doesn't sound like anything to worry about to me.
590 Posted 04/08/2019 at 10:22:18
591 Posted 04/08/2019 at 10:53:11
Don't tell me he's part of the deal too. :-)
592 Posted 04/08/2019 at 10:57:18
593 Posted 04/08/2019 at 10:58:55
594 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:15:07
596 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:38:16
597 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:40:56
598 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:41:18
599 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:44:03
604 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:13:09
611 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:25:52
612 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:28:35
Add Your Comments
In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.
Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site.