Grateful Mina feeling more settled at Everton

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Yerry Mina has thanked Marco Silva, his fellow players and Everton's fans in helping him finally feel like he belongs at the club.

The Colombian was signed from Barcelona in a £27m deal last year and earmarked for the first-choice centre-half role alongside Michael Keane during Silva's first season in charge.

Successive foot injuries delayed his Blues debut and he was eventually supplanted in the first team by Kurt Zouma who had been drafted in on transfer deadline day to bolster the ranks at the back.

Mina would make just 12 starts in all competitions as he was hampered by further injury later in the season but following Zouma's return to Chelsea, he has been ever-present in the Premier League as Keane's new partner.

“I really want to thank the coach for the belief he has shown in me,” Mina told evertontv. “Last season was really hard, the adaptation, the language barrier, many things. Some injuries, too.

“But Marco Silva was always speaking to me and showing he had belief in me. That kept me strong.

“I know I need to give my all on the pitch for my team and my fans.

“I have grown and, bit-by-bit, I have improved. I have got to know my teammates and the coach. And the fans have been with me and helped me get stronger.

“I have a lot of desire, I wake up every day wanting to do things as well as I can. I feel reborn every day and get up wanting to give my all for what I love doing."

 

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Steve Pickering
1 Posted 01/10/2019 at 07:43:37
I think Mina is settling in well now and can contribute with goals – he had a few chances against City and with a little more conviction and luck would have scored a brace!
Mark Wilson
2 Posted 01/10/2019 at 08:28:01
In a way this sums up what’s happening with the team. Mina does seem to have settled and there is consistency there and a decent bit of form with a goal threat but, it’s still not really working alongside Keane.

The team has looked ok Ish at times but something, probably several somethings, is missing. We have to win games, quickly. It’s crucial to win away and Burnley is a tough but good opportunity to do just that.

Mina is making progress. But really winning is the only progress. Needs to happen now.

Martin Berry
3 Posted 01/10/2019 at 08:52:17
I think he is going to be a great centre half in the future, he has all the tools, we all know that he is going to score a few as well.

In today's economic climate of inflated transfer fees he will be a real bargain

Tommy Carter
4 Posted 01/10/2019 at 09:24:12
I believe Mina will be a top central defender. Whether this is with Everton though I am unsure.

I seen enough in his early displays, particularly the Derby at Anfield, to see that he is an excellent player.

The pattern of a football game is vastly different when you have players that can score goals and put you in the lead. It gives the team something to protect.

Unfortunately we have virtually no creativity or ability to convert chances.

This heaps a lot of pressure on the defence and as such Individuals writhin that defence become exposed.

He is an immense figure but I don’t believe he uses his stature aggressively enough. Wesley outmuscled him repeatedly at Villa Park. Not because he is more powerfully, but because he was more forcesful and aggressive. Mina needs to find that within himself and start dominating strikers from the outset

Derek Knox
5 Posted 01/10/2019 at 10:06:42
I do like Mina but I hope the goals start going in for him, we could do with them, my only criticism of him would be, what appears to be lapses of concentration during play.

Playing alongside Keane who is also guilty of the same, can be a bit desperate, especially when it's backs against the wall time.

Sam Hoare
6 Posted 01/10/2019 at 10:28:39
He's done okay for a foreign defender who is learning his way in the tough Premier League. I think he will prove a very good player in time. His positioning is suspect at times when he comes towards the ball, as with Bournemouth's third goal, but hopefully that will improve with time and good coaching.

His partnership with Keane is not ideal as neither has the recovery pace to get back and I think we've had to play a slightly deeper line than Silva would like as a result. If Silva had his way I think we'd be seeing Mina and Zouma. A small chance that may be the case in the second half of the season.

Simon Smith
7 Posted 01/10/2019 at 11:01:51
I like Mina, but I can't see him improving at Everton unlike others suggest. I can think of very few players that have significantly improved whilst being at Everton in the past few years. The only player that springs to mind is Calvert-Lewin, and that is questionable.

I can imagine Mina leaving in 18 months time and will become the player we all hoped he would be for us.

Ray Smith
8 Posted 01/10/2019 at 12:12:25
Does anybody know why Zouma didn't even make the squad against Brighton? Was he Injured?

Maybe we will get him in January!

Kevin Molloy
9 Posted 01/10/2019 at 12:24:06
Without wishing to lambast this particular player, you could argue that interviews like this are further evidence of what is going wrong with the club.

I would have thought that he would be agonising about our disastrous start, but here he is in his own little bubble quite pleased with the way things are going. It seems to me if our No 1 centre-back is so unconcerned with the tripe we've had to watch, it just shows nobody is taking responsibility for this mess.

Tony J Williams
10 Posted 01/10/2019 at 12:35:07
Belief? - Necessity more like, no-one else to play there, Yerry.

Unlucky not to score on Saturday though, come on fella.

Anthony Hawkins
11 Posted 01/10/2019 at 12:42:14
+1 on #10 Tony. If Zouma was still here he’d not get time on the pitch. He’s getting better but our central pairing needs strengthening.

The spine of the team is missing. Zouma went, Gueye went. No scoring striker bought. With those changes the team needs time to jell. Alternatively we need a good January window!

Whilst Kean may come good but it looks like we’ve gone too long term on a striker where we need the goals NOW!

Mark Frere
12 Posted 01/10/2019 at 12:42:21
I think Mina, individually, has done okay(ish). Unfortunately though, our back four has been our big Achilles heel! Conceding goals from set-pieces has been a big problem, same as it was the first half of last season when Zouma was first choice alongside Keane. In the second half of last season, we seemed to eradicate the mistakes from set-pieces and towards the end of the season, our good results were built on a solid back four that kept plenty of clean sheets.

Our general defending, individually and collectively, has been very poor this season... lots of individual errors, players been caught out of position. Keane's form has taken a real nose dive from the fairly high standards he set last season. Pickford also at fault for conceding goals he should've prevented.

I don't see our fortunes on the pitch improving until our deficiencies at the back are improved upon. If we concede first our general play becomes ponderous – the Sheffield Utd game was a prime example of that. We really seem to be short of leaders in our team – a real lack of 'win at all costs' mentality. I wish more of our players were more like Delph who seems to be cut from a different cloth from the rest.

Tony Abrahams
13 Posted 01/10/2019 at 13:23:57
I like Mina, but it's obvious our central defence is not good enough at the minute, and if Silva doesn't trust Holgate, then surely he's got to play all three?

Coleman, and Digne were constantly getting pulled inside on Saturday, but was this because they don't trust our centre-halls, or because of the way City played?

Steve Ferns
14 Posted 01/10/2019 at 13:37:41
Sam, I know what you meant, but I disagree on recovery pace. You really meant that initial burst of pace, I think. For recovery pace, we saw against Bournemouth and Man City that once Mina gets going, he's actually pretty quick. He can recover position pretty well in a long sprint. So, I'd say that he does have recovery pace. He can be turned easily and he can take a couple of seconds to sort his feet out and get that big stride going. So, he can look slow and cumbersome.

I believe that Mina is the same height as Usain Bolt. Both 6'5" giants. Usain Bolt is the fastest man of all time. Yet, when he stepped onto a football pitch he never really displayed lightning pace. The reason being that it's not the same as starting in blocks on a track with traction and running in a straight line. If you are in constant motion and twisting and turning, you need to sort your feet out and then you can power into your sprint. Which means that Bolt needed a few seconds to get going and you don't get that in football, and you get it even less as a central defender where people are running at you.

Personally, I think Mina is going to be great. I don't think anyone gave Ederson enough credit for his performance against us. He got man of the match for a reason. The biggest of those was two saves against Mina. Another keeper and that was at least one goal and then it's a different game. Mina is getting better and adapting and once he does he will be a real force. I think he'll be the best player in this league in the air. Like Duncan, he gets up well for a big man. 6'7" crouch is the top scorer for headed goals in the Premier League, but he never jumped and his technique was pretty lousy. Ferguson and Mina do jump and their technique is good. Mina could do with a few more tips from Duncan though.

The only issue, other than his speed and reactions in those first few vital seconds, is he has the touch of the Yobos about him. I thought Joey Yobo was never the defender he should have been. Great pace, good in the air, decent on the deck, great tackler, he had everything for a defender. But, he was liable to switch off and pass without looking, and just lapsed in concentration. Which meant he would undermine all his good work with a moment of madness every few games. Mina is not quite as bad as that, no. But he does have lapses of concentration and I fear that unless he sorts them out he could go the same way. Still early days though and still have high hopes.

Steve Ferns
15 Posted 01/10/2019 at 13:41:59
Tony, Schneiderlin is like having a third centre-back. Unless you want us to drop deep and play like Burnley, then one of the centre-backs will need to play like David Luiz. If you impose a David Luiz heat map onto Schneiderlin, you'll see that they more or less operate in exactly the same areas. No need for an extra centre-back with Schneiderlin playing.

And as much as most dislike Schneiderlin, you'd all rather he was passing the ball than any of our centre-backs. Also, you cannot deny that Schneiderlin is playing well and getting better and better with every game. He's only got 18 months left here and his contract will not be renewed. He's also likely to be displaced by Gbamin or Gomes whenever one of them returns, as Delph will retain his place.

Michael Lynch
16 Posted 01/10/2019 at 14:02:50
I'm glad he's happy with what's happening at Goodison Park, because I'm not. We're a couple of points off the relegation places, having looked second best against just about every team we've played, including the two we've beaten. We've got £300m's worth of talent on the pitch and we look piss poor most of the time – no intensity, no cohesion, no threat, easily worked-out tactics and a shaky defence.

So, yes, I'm glad you love what you're doing, Yerry, and you wake up every day feeling reborn. I wouldn't mind a pint of whatever you're drinking.

John McFarlane Snr
17 Posted 01/10/2019 at 14:20:31
Hi Steve [15] if you read all the posts you will be aware that I managed to embarrass myself by forgetting to remember, the 'Unforgettable' 1966 FA Cup Final. (Everton fall again to Champions, posts 215 & 217.

My feeling of depression has deepened by your introduction of 'heat maps' when discussing players' performances. I fear for the future of the game, and wonder if, before being allowed entry to the ground, fans will be required to take some sort of test to establish their understanding of tactics, formations, etc, or will all this be stored on mobile phones which supporters can rent for the duration of the game?

I suppose I'm being a little cynical, but it amazes me that you can enjoy your match day experience, with all this information to observe and retain.

Paul Hewitt
18 Posted 01/10/2019 at 14:27:49
I like Mina, I think he can go on and be a top Premier League defender. Though I think it will be under another manager. Silva just ain't good enough to improve any player.
Steve Ferns
19 Posted 01/10/2019 at 14:46:58
John, it's just a simple observation. The areas an extra centre-back would play, in a team that is not all-out defence, are the exact areas I would expect Morgan Schneiderlin to be inhabiting. Why have a centre-back of all players in areas where a midfielder would be better?

If the team is defending, then okay, the perceived defensive skills could see that as a better move, but if the team is attacking, then surely it's a midfielder, particularly this one with his capabilities of passing and his superior touch and technique that would make you want the midfielder there.

I know everyone else thinks Schneiderlin is the devil incarnate, but if you can see past that, he's far superior to a third centre-back. And you don't need a heat map to understand that. If you don't understand that then a heat map could help.

Alan J Thompson
20 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:09:26
Do these heat maps show where the ball is in proximity to the player?
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

21 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:13:28
Quite possibly I have seen a lot more of Mina than most on here from his time at Palmeiras here in Brazil before signing for Barcelona.

Playing with Gabriel Jesus before he left for City, aged just 21, Mina was a HUGE presence and player in both penalty areas for Palmeiras in the season they ended a 22-year wait to land the league title.

Steve Ferns desciption of him is a good one. Mina is no slouch once he gets up to speed. His recovery pace is good. But as we know, at this level, a player getting a metre start on you can do a lot of damage before you can get back at him. He does have a bit of the 'Yobos' in him with poor lapses of concentration and positional awareness at times, but he is still young and adjusting.

And I can't agree with the poster claiming Mina "doesn't use his stature aggressively enough" and that "Wesley outmuscled him repeatedly at Villa Park." He most certainly DOES use his stature aggressively and it was a fascinating tussle between him and Wesley with give and take on both sides. Mina won some. Wesley won some. Far from being 'repeatedly outmuscled.'

As others have expressed, there is presently too much similarity in their games 'twixt Keane and Mina, whereas Keane and Zouma last season offered a better balance. That is not to say they cannot improve.

The team and the setup is getting rightly slaughtered for conceding too frequently from dead ball situations. That is a systemic problem which Silva seemed to have eradicated in the last third of last season when we kept a LOT of clean sheets. But in open play this season, the defence is not being afforded the same protection as the whole team offered at the end of last season.

And - sorry Tony Abrahams! I know it's a bit of a hobby horse for you, but I can't agree with your repeated calls to overhauling the system and going with three centre backs.

But back to Mina, I believe in him. I also believe he has the potential (if he isn't already) of being a huge positive presence in the squad. He really is a constantly cheerful and upbeat personality.

And whilst he is winning the ball more in the opposition area when we attack, we have yet to see much evidence of the power heading he is capable of. His record with Palmeiras, for example, was 6 goals in 28 games - better than 1 in 5. Be nice to start seeing that sort of return with us. I would also suggest we need to be more alert and react better around the 6-yard box in anticipation of him winning the first ball on free kicks and corners. A fox in the box would be gobbling up those second balls.

John McFarlane Snr
22 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:15:03
Hi again Steve, I trust that you appreciate that my remarks were tongue-in-cheek, we can no doubt discuss matters fully at the next get-together.
Jay Harris
23 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:40:34
I believe Mina is a positive and enthusiastic influence on the team.. Every player has weak points that is why its a team game.

The collective has to be better than the individual but in Everton's case the reverse is true.

We are playing like a bunch of strangers with no cohesion or forethought and very little energy.

I am still waiting for our watershed moment and hope for all our sakes it is soon.

Justin Doone
24 Posted 01/10/2019 at 15:47:37
I hadn't seen enough of Mina to judge him last season. I was very concerned that we went into this season reliant on him as our main centre back with such fitness issues.

I still have some concerns on his injuries. It's very early in the season and he often looks uncomfortable and grimaces especially when he's landing after challenging for headers later in the game. I worry how he'll cope come January / February.

However he does possess the attributes of a very good defender. So his signing is a delayed 'hit' as long as he stays fit.

But.. imo he's only a slight improvement on Keane. Both are liable to stupidly rush out making rash challenges they were never likely to win. They both take to many risks passing the ball when they need to simply clear it down the channel. Neither have good balance or acceleration but Mina is pacey after 10 yards.

A lot of this may be the managers tactics but they have to make the right decisions during game time. The general lack of leadership and experience at the back doesn't help anyone.

"Oh but we have the experienced Schnides playing so wonderfully well" some say.

"BALLS" I say. He plays more passes backwards than he does forwards. Again putting defenders under needless pressure and not linking play like a midfielder should.

For all those who constantly criticised Gana makes me worry what some think they see or want to see.

Mike Gaynes
25 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:01:28
Steve #14 and Jay #23, spot on. I have always said there will be lapses from Mina as he matures (and we saw two or three of them against City), but I continue to believe he will be one of the top CBs in the Prem by the second half of the season. And he is definitely going to score goals. My prediction was five for the season. I stand by it, even though luck and superb goalkeeping have kept him out so far.

Kevin #9 and Michael #16, talk about "tripe"... nothing in Mina's interview said he was either "happy" or "pleased" with the way things are going overall for the club, just that he's feeling good about his own improvement and grateful to the manager, club and fans for their support. What the hell's wrong with that? Personally, I consider him a bright spot in a dismal picture and I enjoy his optimism.

Ray #8, Zouma was out of the Chelsea squad against Brighton because of illness. He's back in training and may be available tomorrow at Lille.

Joey Crawley
26 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:04:25
He’s 6 ft 5 and his name is Yerry Mina, he’s longer than the hose on me vacuum cleaner, his mum likes Tom and Jerry so Latinos call him Yerry, silent J, you just canny make this shit up, any how, this guy has got every tool in his locker to be the very Yerry best, please God let him realise his potential in the royal blue, so no nights out with David Ospina, yaaaaah Yerry Mina, Allllriiiggt!
Mike Gaynes
27 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:17:14
Joey, got a melody in mind for those lyrics?
John Pierce
28 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:37:09
Mina has definitely been better than Keane so far but the combination clearly upsets the team. Our defensive record is poor and whilst team shape can account for some of it you cannot ignore the pairing has issues.
Toss in Schniederlin and you have three players who are not great when the ball is played behind them. All three get very desperate to commit because they have no acceleration. As ‘tidy’ as Schniederlin is on the ball, once it goes behind him his rash nature to foul often exposes our back line, (King & De Bruyne good examples), unlike Delph who hassles and harries, only fouling when it’s absolutely necessary.

That’s were you have to look at Silva. Faced with the reality from almost game one that those three will play nearly all the games he hasn’t adjusted the formation or tactics to mitigate the weakness.
I’d offer he should ask the team to sit deeper, and forget about pressing a team until they hit our half. It would protect those players. Instead of the high line has both centre backs trying to either pinch the ball (lose it they’re clean through) or drop off completely (too much time and space). Neither works.
I think this would adjust our tactics to allow us to counter attack properly, given more space it would give our better players space to run in to, something they don’t have currently, and offer a ball in behind, something Kean wants desperately. This is something we simply don’t do as Silva has us both pressing and hogging possession in most games at the same time?! That clearly doesn’t work, the results are unequivocal.
The question is can he change? Can he see it’s a necessity now because he’s wasted too many games?
He has shown nothing to indicate he will change so I won’t hold my breath. He sprung a surprise last time out at Burnley, but I doubt Dyche will fall for it again.

Hi-ho Silva.

Steve Ferns
29 Posted 01/10/2019 at 16:44:42
Mike, that's the macarena Yerry Mina song.

"He’s 6 foot 5 and his names Yerry Mina,

His **** like hose on a vacuum cleaner,

He goes on the lemo with David Ospina,

Heeeeey Yerry Mina."

We can't sing that one as we got investigated for racism for singing it.

My favourite was this one, to the tune of "Have you seen her?"

"He’s a 6ft 5 Colombian, and now he’s signed for Everton,
Yerry Mina, oh Yerry Mina,
We’ll sing his name Everywhere we go,
From the Gwladys street & away from home,
Yerry Mina, oh Yerry Mina"

Mike Gaynes
30 Posted 01/10/2019 at 17:40:49
The latter isn't bad, but I like the Macarena one, Steve!!
Steve Ferns
31 Posted 01/10/2019 at 17:57:05
Lyndon / Michael, the u21 game is available for members to watch. You might want to open a thread for it and remind everyone. A chance for some to see Anthony Gordon lead the line as a number 9 and hope to maintain his brilliant form and continue to push for a place in the first team.
Andrew Keatley
32 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:30:18
Steve (31) - I was watching the Man Utd v Arsenal game last night, and the number of young players on show - Greenwood and Saka in particular - was very noticeable. Those two are a good six months younger that Anthony Gordon, and it made me wonder how far Gordon is from a first team appearance.

Considering how many of our first team are struggling, especially our attacking unit, and the respective options that Arsenal and United have in terms of their playing squads - and the general scrutiny their managers are under - surely Gordon (who seems to be regularly lighting up the Under23s) should be in the Everton manager’s thoughts now. But is Silva brave enough to give him a run out?

Paul Birmingham
33 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:36:20
For me Mina is improving and will grow into his position with every game.

But Saturdays first goal, a great demonstration and execution of pin point cross into the eye of a needle and perfect finish by a top City player, in my book said volumes about the lack of cohesion and piss poor communication across the back four and our team in general.

Playing with a Michael Keane there’s a sense of not if, but when the next unforced error be it poor pass, switching off will happen. The defence looks uncomfortable the CBs, lack of understanding and reading the danger is making us fair game for every team. If City had gone for it wither best team, then it could have been a lot worse.

Every game this season the defence has been exposed. Jordan Pickford is also guilty of not commanding his area effectively bothverbally and physically.

The loss of Jean Phillips and Andre, has left us with not core, no shape and the midfield it seems is always being exposed and in many games over ran.

I don’t blame Schneiderlin for the poor form, as he has been playing better than most.

Upfront and the ball rarely sticks, we are playing chunks of games facing our own goal keeper.

All teams have injuries, loss of form individually and as a team. As it stands the lack of genuine confidence and belief, from Jordan Pickford up the forward line sees us struggle.

Burnley will go hell for leather and let’s hope the mindset and belief will be there, as the bad run of fixtures is not too far away.

Will matters improve, that remains to be seen, but let’s hope it dies and very soon.

Paul Birmingham
34 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:37:41
I meant let’s hope it does and very soon. The iPad has a mind of its own.👍🏼
Darren Hind
35 Posted 01/10/2019 at 18:53:19
Lighthouse

Wide open to a through ball as demonstrated all season

Fails to take ownership when free kick is whipped in.

I've never seen a player win so many balls in the air and not trouble the goalie. He wasn't unlucky on Saturday he missed a fucking open goal

Has at least one wild slash every game

Gets involved in petty battles and loses concentration by prolonging them.

Doesnt communicate

Takes five strides to get into full flight.

Mind you. He cost nearly thirty Million quid. and he's South American. . so he's above criticism.

If I could just put all the above out of my mind. Ignore the fact that our defence (with him at the heart of it) has already conceded 13 going on 30 and the fact that he's more interested in fighting than playing. . I guess I could see my way clear to agreeing with everyone else on here.

How bad does it have to get before people start calling these jokers out ?

Robert Williams
36 Posted 01/10/2019 at 19:01:02
JMcF (Snr) @ 17. Makes you laugh, doesn't it – 'heat maps?!" For fuck's sake... whatever next?

As you say, John, if I may call you John - not being one of the Steve Ferns gang and all that, how anyone can enjoy watching a simple game of football without overcomplicating the way it's played through analysis for the sake of analysis, I just don't know.

Whatever happened to those passing diagrams, a la Sky pundits, that we were subjected to by the Head Honcho and Defender of Silva?

Darren Hind
37 Posted 01/10/2019 at 19:18:10
Make that 14 goals conceded.
Tony Abrahams
38 Posted 01/10/2019 at 19:31:26
Heat maps Steve? I just want to see my team not only to stop conceding goals, but also to stop being very easy to play against, mate.

Some people can watch a player closely, I've only ever been interested in the ball, when I watch football, and although Schneiderlin had a much better game on Saturday, he doesn't offer nowhere near enough protection, and this is because he's just not good enough if we have got any intentions of improving as a team.

We are yet to win a game this season with Morgan in the team, (except Lincoln?) and although it's not only his fault, it's safe to say he his definitely part of the problem.

Keane is worse for me at the minute, no aggression, he's like me watching football, and has only got eyes for the ball, which means he consistently loses the man he's supposed to be marking, and it's no coincidence to me that Pickford has started losing his head again.

Our back four needs protecting, and if the men in-front of them aren't helping, then the only sensible option is to go to a back five, because we are leaking goals for fun, and it's not going to get any better with this present system, even if it's only on a short term basis?

If not, let's get more pace and more aggression into the middle of our defence, because it's nothing short of shambolic, and seems to have gone back to every man for himself yet again.

Tony Abrahams
39 Posted 01/10/2019 at 19:40:08
A hobby horse, Jay? I'm only interested in Everton being hard to play against, mate, and as you say, these two centre-backs just don't compliment each other, and the team is definitely suffering because of Silva's insistence on keeping them together in the same line up, just like it's suffering playing with two holding midfielders, as well.

We are conceding goals for fun, and when this happens surely it's time to look at the personnel, and the system in which the manager is playing them in, so to suggest a hobby-horse, is a little bit off-course, imo, Jay!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

40 Posted 01/10/2019 at 19:59:13
Harmless enough phrase, Tony.

You've repeatedly made the case for three centre-backs for the last 12 months.

I don't agree with you. It's that simple.

Andrew Keatley
41 Posted 01/10/2019 at 20:14:23
Darren (35) – “I've never seen a player win so many balls in the air and not trouble the goalie. He wasn't unlucky on Saturday he missed a fucking open goal”.

Not trouble the goalie? Ederson made two decent saves from Mina headers; whether Mina should have done better is another matter, but try and stick to the facts – it'd make your argument more compelling.

As it stands, I think Mina is doing all right. I worry about his pace on the turn, and a very strict ref might not look kindly on his grappling style, but he's surprisingly capable on the ball, and seems to be a positive character.

David Pearl
42 Posted 01/10/2019 at 20:43:35
Schneiderlin has been one of our better players this season. The problem is not controlling the game and big spaces in the middle... in my opinion of course. He plays his game, makes a lot more blocks and tidies up well. With more confidence he is looking up more the past few games and making a few great balls switching play nicely. I'd like to see us move better as a team. I don't know I'm just so frustrated seeing the names on our team sheet but they've yet to click this season.

And Mina... l think he's been by far the better of the 2 cbs. Looks to be improving a lot to me. Wouldn't mind seeing him score, and he came close against City. Few poor corners from Digne but glad to hear Silva had been practicing set pieces a lot in training. That training ground free kick routine seems a long time ago now. Park End. Can't remember who it was against.

Steve Ferns
43 Posted 01/10/2019 at 20:46:09
Southampton, David. Walcott scored from a lovely Schneiderlin pass.
Mike Gaynes
44 Posted 01/10/2019 at 21:05:24
Darren #35, your name is correct on that post.

That's it.

Tony Abrahams
45 Posted 01/10/2019 at 21:50:16
Fair enough Jay, but if the centre backs were good enough our fullbacks wouldn’t have to over-cover for them which was definitely the case on Saturday, and then I wouldn’t be looking for Silva to change things.

Better to hope that Mina and Keane can develop a partnership then? That’s what we pay Silva all that money for, I suppose.

Darren Hind
46 Posted 02/10/2019 at 00:29:52
Andrew Keathley

"Whether he should have done better is another matter, but Stick to the facts" ?

Lets not make any bones about it here. Mina should most definitely have done better... One was an open goal from 5 yards out, The other one came off his ear .

"Two decent saves" you say? Well if they were, they where two my Missus would have made... ou then go on to add even more flaws to his game than the ones I listed.

I'm not here to make my "argument more compelling". I'm not even putting up an argument.

All I've done is list the things I've seen with my own eyes over the past few weeks. I don't care if other people want to try to deny them... They'll get fed up trying to defend this fella.

Jer Kiernan
47 Posted 02/10/2019 at 00:34:58
Well, that's what's most important that Yerry feels welcomed? can he take a look at the league table now that he feels part of the family ?

Fucking shocking but not at all surprising with the type of "player" we seem to attract at this club the last 3 or 4 seasons. It's bullshit like this that cements the view that these guys couldn't give a rat's ass how Everton Football Club or its fans fare, it's all about them?

Relegation zone with 1 win in 5 an abysmal start to the season and Yerry feels the need to share this with us NOW?

Is it a wonder you see these lot laughing and high-fiving opponents after getting embarrassed on the pitch? They couldn't give a flying fuck!!!

Tommy Carter
48 Posted 02/10/2019 at 01:07:38
There could be an argument for some form of xenophobia when it comes to some EFC fans view of Mina and Keane.

Keane frequently seems to be given the benefit of the doubt, Mina less so and the reason to me isn’t obvious. Both were huge money. Neither have performed consistently well for the club. One is Colombian and the other is English.

Darren Hind
49 Posted 02/10/2019 at 01:43:27
Xenophobia ????

I can see a stronger argument for hysteria.

Keane gets murdered on here. I should know because I've done a lot of the murdering - see recent thread.

Xenophobia ??? take a look at the goals conceded column.

For future reference; The correct term is 'shitecenterhalfophobia'.

Mike Gaynes
50 Posted 02/10/2019 at 02:29:37
"I'm not even putting up an argument."

Darren, THAT'S for sure!

But Tommy #48, that's an even more off-target post than Darren's, and I didn't think that was possible. No. Just no.

Tony Abrahams
51 Posted 02/10/2019 at 07:54:43
Shitcentrehalfophobia, a new one on me Darren, but it doesn't help when the manager doesn't appear to be concentrating on things they might just have a chance on?

I love good football, it doesn't worry me when Delph, receives the ball on the edge of his own area, but it does bother me that our centre-halves are split so wide, and must be at least 40/60 metres away from each other, which just seems absolutely crazy, even if we have got the ball at the time.

Get them working on a defensive game and they might just have a chance together, but this just doesn't look like the case, when you watch Everton play at the minute.

Derek Knox
52 Posted 02/10/2019 at 09:52:13
Tony @51, you do surprise me there with Darren's reference, it's in the 'pissed off fan's dictionary', next to shitmanagerophobia!
Tony J Williams
53 Posted 02/10/2019 at 12:47:59
'kin Hell Tommy, really?
Tony Abrahams
54 Posted 02/10/2019 at 13:12:09
When you consider Silva was a fullback Derek, it’s baffling how little he seems to really concentrate on a defensive game.

He seems to have a system that the players have got to fit into, a hobby-horse maybe, but if they can’t adapt surely he’s got to change it, because I just can’t see “short term pain — for long term gain”, but hopefully I’m wrong once again.

Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 02/10/2019 at 16:22:24
Tony #54, he was a lower-league player in Portugal. Maybe that's why we defend set pieces like a lower-league club.
Christy Ring
56 Posted 02/10/2019 at 19:43:44
Mina and Keane are too alike, both right sided unfortunately, and because of their size, too slow to recover, when they make a mistake. We all said it, a shocking decision not to bring in another centreback, after losing the Jag and Zouma. Having two holding midfielders, means we're struggling offensively, and all the praise for how great Schneiderlin is playing, is lost on me, he missed a simple tackle on King, against B'mouth, who was fouled by Richarlison, and Delph scored an o.g from the free kick, and his tackle on Debruyne, enough said.
Jack Convery
57 Posted 02/10/2019 at 19:54:55
Glad he's happier than last season. I reckon Mina is not the problem at the back. Keane without Zouma and Gueye is the issue. For me he's never going to be the commanding Centre Half a team with top 4 / 6 aspirations requires. He's slow, doesn't win enough in the air and the number of times I've seen him flatfooted by an opponent is ridiculous. How he plays for England amazes me. Give me a centre half who is captain material as with Dave Watson for instance. Keane will never be a Captain nor a leader of a back four.
Derek Knox
58 Posted 02/10/2019 at 23:47:51
Tony, having met you on several occasions, I know you and your Dad Dave well, we are reading from the sheet, football is not a difficult game, but more often than not is made to appear that way, by so-called coaches who think (?) they have the solution.

There is too much money in the game today as we know it, but how many players are, realistically, worried if they win or lose?

Mike Gaynes
59 Posted 03/10/2019 at 00:26:33
I would bet you about 99.9%, Derek.

You don't become a top player without a huge competitive streak.

Anthony Hawkins
60 Posted 03/10/2019 at 11:52:29
@Jack #57 - how can anyone question Keane’s inclusion in the England setup when they’ve relied on Jones and Smalling for so long? The issue at international level is a dearth of quality English defenders.
Jer Kiernan
61 Posted 03/10/2019 at 12:31:45
@Mike

You are of course right however the relevant question is how they behave AFTER they become eh hem eh hem "top" players

To me, they are mere actors on a stage now similar to WWE and if I had a penny for everytime I saw a player in the blue shirt going through the motions (mostly since we became a "monied" club), I would be travelling around and avoid the rush via Lear Jet.

The guys on my alehouse team show more commitment to be honest, As an example, I don't believe we have overturned a deficit in a game in about 2 seasons or something ridiculous like that, says it all for me. Proof of the pudding etc etc.

Tony Abrahams
63 Posted 03/10/2019 at 20:50:27
Very good point Mike, but I'd have to agree with Jer, when he alludes to the changes in a lot of players desire, once they've hit the big time.

It becomes just a job for most of them in the end I'm sure? Most players go through their careers without winning anything, (except the lottery!) And how many top flight managers in England, have won trophies I wonder, such is the competitive nature of the game?

Bobby Mallon
64 Posted 03/10/2019 at 22:01:39
When did a midfielder become an attacking or defensive midfielder, I thought a midfielder was both and that’s why he’s called midfielder. Just play football stop all the tactic shite. Pass and move to receive the ball, shoot all the time. If you loose the ball get back and defend. If your right/left back go forward your right/ left midfielder covers them footy is simple oh and bloody shoot
John Boon
65 Posted 03/10/2019 at 23:29:20
Everton have been most successful when they have had hard, tough no messing about centre-backs. Going from Labone to Radcliffe Unsworth and of late Jagielka.

Today, we have gigantic jelly-like centre-backs who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. Someone in coaching has got to toughen them up. They are just too nice for their own good. and for my health. Can't we somehow find even one tough Scouser to bring into the team?

Henry Lloyd
66 Posted 04/10/2019 at 02:39:17
Mike Gaynes @ 25, 44, 50.

How you can say that Yerry Mina will be one of the top centre-backs in the country is just "ridiculous" plain and simple He will never be that! Fact!

Even his best performances this season cannot elevate him to that level or even into contention, he is getting worse not better!

I know what I see!! I think you clearly see what you want to see!

That"s it.

Darren Hind
67 Posted 04/10/2019 at 04:02:59
Mike

I put up the list of things about Mina that I have actually seen. Thats all.

I don't need to put up an argument about it. As council the defence, that's your job.
Repeatedly claiming you feel he will come good some time isn't really any sort of an argument.

I hope you are proved right my friend, but at the moment I'm some way away from being convinced.

Mike Gaynes
68 Posted 04/10/2019 at 05:02:31
Darren... I wouldn't expect you to be convinced now. I think you will be by January when he has another 15 games under his belt.

But a couple of your list items were so off target that I wonder what you've "actually seen"... for example, he's a nonstop communicator, continually talking to his mates (especially Keane) and pointing out positions. And as to not troubling the keeper, he had Ederson at full stretch with that second header.

And I do have to say that your implication that he's "above criticism" because he's South American is as off target as Tommy's assertion that he's more heavily criticized because he's Colombian. I just don't see a comment pattern one way or the other relating to his country of origin.

Anyway, to my eyes he's already our best CB (having a better season than Keane) and overall a pretty good player whom I expect to improve as much -- and as quickly -- as Zouma did last season.

Finally, I understand your point about him getting up into opponents' faces, but I haven't seen it negatively affect his play -- and after the uncountable number of calls here for a little Cahill-esque fire on the pitch, I'm surprised to see someone complain about it. As long as he doesn't collect stupid cards (and he hasn't), I like his willingness to intimidate. I think we need that.

Jerome Shields
69 Posted 04/10/2019 at 10:05:04
Mina is good defending if the play is in front of him. His main weaknesses are defending on the turn, prone to lapses in concentration and distribution out of defence. Keane is a confidence player and Mina weaknesses affect his play. Holgate in his brief appearances this season has better distribution stats than either Mina or Keane.
Jerome Shields
70 Posted 04/10/2019 at 10:24:14
Will Mina be as settled if Zouma is transferred in the January window? He hasn't started a Premier League game for Chelsea since 31 August.
Jer Kiernan
71 Posted 04/10/2019 at 11:11:41
Jerome @70,

I agree on Zouma and also will feel he made a bad call and may even feel slighted by General Franco regards 1st team football etc.

Mike Gaynes
72 Posted 04/10/2019 at 12:58:32
Jerome #69, say what?? Holgate has played exactly 17 minutes in the Premier League this season, and they were at right-back. "Distribution stats"??? No clue what you're talking about there.

As for Zouma, in the highly unlikely event he ever comes back, I think he'll take Keane's spot, not Mina's.

Jerome Shields
73 Posted 04/10/2019 at 14:40:00
Mike #72,

I was including his league Cup appearance. What he attempted and executed with precision in that game, neither of are centre-back attempt. I was very impressed with Holgate in that game.

I agree my statement was vague and should have been clearer. I put it down to my frustration at Mina and Keane passing to one another across the pitch, going nowhere.

I do disagree with you regarding Zouma, he will become the principal centrre-back if he returns, either partnering Mina or Keane or, may I say it, friend Holgate. He may alternate with Mina in cup competitions.

I have a feeling in my bones about Cup competitions this season regarding Everton.

Andrew Keatley
74 Posted 04/10/2019 at 15:48:55
Jerome (73),

I've generally been wanting Holgate to be given more opportunities but he did make one or two panicked clearances (wild slashes) in the game against Lincoln – and he still gets involved in physical battles that he is unlikely to win.

Once he becomes a bit more experienced in terms of when to commit to a challenge and when to slow an opponent up rather than risk being turned/beaten then I think he'll become a very good option, as he seems to already have a lot of strengths to his game.

Darren Hind
75 Posted 04/10/2019 at 16:47:17
Holgate is a vastly superior footballer to both Mina and Keane.

That Silva doesn't trust him defensively is a measure of just how oblivious he is to train wreck that is our central defence.

It's kinda like saying you are going to run along the railway lines because you don't trust the train.

Mike Gaynes
76 Posted 04/10/2019 at 18:12:15
Darren, if being a "footballer" includes passing the ball, you've run off the rails.

Holgate is a godawful passer.

Darren Hind
77 Posted 04/10/2019 at 18:23:13
Mike

I worry about you sometimes. Please don't go completely nuts before we meet.

I wanna remind you of that post

Mike Gaynes
78 Posted 04/10/2019 at 20:22:32
You won't have to, Darren. I've said it many times.

The kid is great with the ball at his feet. He should keep it there. Colorblind. Can't hit a blue shirt, especially under any kind of pressure. One of the reasons Silva doesn't trust him is because, in his five-game tryout at the start of last season, he committed two horrible passes that became goals against us.

And as a right-back, his crosses made Hibbo look like De Bruyne... although, from what little I saw, he did improve that last season on loan.

Paul Tran
79 Posted 04/10/2019 at 20:39:24
The thing is, if Mina or Keane have a nightmare, they're given a 2nd/3rd/4th chance. The minute Holgate has a poor game, he's dropped like a hot brick. Happened under Koeman, happens under Silva.

Of course, Silva watches them in training, doesn't he? Judging by the players he's determined to keep picking, I'm not sure what he's seeing.

Tony Abrahams
80 Posted 04/10/2019 at 23:00:04
It seems some of them must train that well, that they are fuckin knackered when Saturday comes!
Jerome Shields
81 Posted 05/10/2019 at 00:49:15
Andrew, #74:

I agree with you. He should be given more game time, and he is a bit raw. as a result. He has the potential to become really good. In the Lincoln game, his long pass distribution was excellent, and added to the speed of the attack. Normally, I agree with Mike, whose posts are on the ball, but I would advise him to have a closer look at Holgate. As well as improving, he is showing potential.

I actually do wonder if anyone at Everton looks at performance stats or at least discusses them with players after a game to see where they can improve. If stats were looked at, some players would not be selected to play. Steve's post / article had some interesting stats last week and I felt like throwing them at Silva, after I saw his team selection on Saturday.

Mike Gaynes
82 Posted 05/10/2019 at 03:50:37
Jerome #81, actually I like Holgate very much, and I was probably the least bothered person here that we didn't sign a CB this summer, because I think he's quite solid defensively, particularly in the tackle and one-on-one. (I don't believe Silva shares that view, however.)

And I agree that his long passing against Lincoln was quite good, but that was Lincoln, and I would also point out that he was unpressured. His first touch as a sub against Watford, with a defender closing down, was a horror pass sideways along the center line directly to an opposing player, producing an immediate counterattack and nearly the equalizer. The TV shot of Silva's face looked like a thundercloud.

Tommy Carter
83 Posted 05/10/2019 at 05:16:43
@82 Mike

I too am a Holgate fan. The attributes you detail are included in why. However what do don’t mention is that Holgate is a player with a lot of belief. He certainly backs himself and we have a distinct lack of that in this team.

He’s the kind of player that turns up at Anfield and doesn’t perform with the demeanour of a rabbit in the headlights. He pushes their striker into the crowd because he thinks he can get away with it.

I’m not saying that this individual action benefited us in any way. But it showed me that young Mason has a bit about his character that is a winner.

Darren Hind
84 Posted 05/10/2019 at 05:24:48
He played a blind pass assuming (rightly so in my opinion) that the midfield were supporting him. It went straight to the Watford player.

You can bang on about the passes that go astray and there will be a few when you are as ambitious as he is, But Holgate is the best passer of a ball we've seen and are likely to see since John Stones left.

I'd rather see a player make mistakes trying to be creative, than watch stoppers who don't stop.

Having said all that, if either one of them are on the end of a Sigurdsson free-kick today, all will be forgiven.

Jerome Shields
85 Posted 05/10/2019 at 07:42:03
Mike #82

I too don't like a pass across the back. It was a big defensive no no drummed into me as a Kid and I know where you are coming from regarding Lincoln. But in that game the ball was released a lot earlier from the back, and Holgate was instrumental in its execution. Sidebe was good as well. I just think Holgate could benefit from more playing time, and with match practise could iron out the rough patches.

Unfortunately megabucks have been paid for Mina and Keane and they will get preference, but Holgate can take hope from Calvert Lewin, who is similarly competing with megabuck players and showing them his heels. If the same assessments as they have to endure , were applied to some of the players that are currently have to play with, I think we all know who would be sti!l on the field.

Jerome Shields
86 Posted 05/10/2019 at 07:42:03
Mike #82

I too don't like a pass across the back. It was a big defensive no-no drummed into me as a Kid and I know where you are coming from regarding Lincoln. But, in that game, the ball was released a lot earlier from the back, and Holgate was instrumental in its execution. Sidibe was good as well. I just think Holgate could benefit from more playing time, and with match practise could iron out the rough patches.

Unfortunately megabucks have been paid for Mina and Keane and they will get preference, but Holgate can take hope from Calvert-Lewin, who is similarly competing with megabuck players and showing them his heels. If the same assessments as they have to endure, were applied to some of the players that are currently have to play with, I think we all know who would be sti!l on the field.

Tony Abrahams
87 Posted 05/10/2019 at 10:17:45
I didn't think Holgate was playing well enough when he played a few games at the start of last season, but he was playing better than Michael Keane has played this season. Jerome has just spelled it out: how can a player really improve with one game every few weeks, especially when he's back on the side-lines, after his team kept their only clean sheet in six weeks when he's just played?

Darren, I hope they both score, but I'd sooner they started being more dominant and aggressive because it might just spread through the team.

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