Rodriguez left out of Colombia squad for Copa America

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Mina called up

James Rodriguez has expressed his extreme disappointment at the fact that he won't be participating in this summer's Copa America after all following a determination by the Colombian national team that he isn't fit enough.

The Everton forward flew home last week on the assumption that he would prepare for the tournament but he has been ruled out and won't play any part of the upcoming World Cup qualifiers against Peru and Argentina either.

James, who has struggled with a calf problem since 2018 when he had to be used sparingly during the World Cup in Russia, missed the Blues' last two Premier League matches.

A statement from Colombia said:

“The coaching staff of the Colombia Men's Senior Team reports that the player James Rodríguez has been called off for the games against Peru and Argentina for the qualifiers for the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022, and the CONMEBOL Copa América 2021.

“In recent days, the midfielder was subjected to medical examinations, which determined that he is not at the optimal level of competition, therefore, he will not be able to join the group called by Reinaldo Rueda for the aforementioned commitments and the South American championship.

“The coach and his team of collaborators regret not being able to count on James Rodríguez this time and hope that soon the midfielder will be able to be part of a call, representing our country with the height and professionalism as he has always done.”

Rodriguez has issued a statement of his own expressing surprise and “pain” at the decision made by his national team, insisting that he was on course to be ready for the Copa America:

“I was surprised to receive the statement from the main technical body stating that they are not considering me and wishing me a full recovery, a recovery that I have already made and for which I have sacrificed a lot.

“The above filled me with deep disappointment because it means everything to me to play for my country.

“Not receiving the trust from the technical body breaks with everything and causes me enormous pain, because I have always devoted my life to the shirt of the Colombia team.

"For my colleagues … best wishes. From a distance, I will support [you] with passion always.”

Carlo Ancelotti had voiced his hope that the 29-year-old would be able to use the summer to recuperate and condition himself for the 2021-22 season and may now get his wish.

Rodriguez's Everton team-mate Yerry Mina has been included in the squad, however. He has had his own injury niggles and was a mystery absentee from the final game of the season at Manchester City but is in the group selected for the Copa America which begins on 13 June.  


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Thomas Richards
1 Posted 28/05/2021 at 15:58:52
So Carlo wasn't telling fibs after all.

Bonus for the Blues this.

Robert Williams
2 Posted 28/05/2021 at 16:14:51
I see the Colombian FA has some credibility after all. No mugs.
Tony Everan
3 Posted 28/05/2021 at 16:20:42
Now he can concentrate on getting 100% fit for his primary employer. It’s an opportunity to work hard on his fitness over the summer and to comeback in July for preseason training in perfect condition. It would be a great boost to have him firing on all cylinders.
Colin Glassar
4 Posted 28/05/2021 at 16:30:11
So it was true, he is carrying an injury. We are all really a mean-minded bunch of bastards aren't we?

Even I thought James was taking the piss and was just going out there to shag a pretty senorita and get some sun on his back.

Get well soon, James. Hope to see you back, fit as a fiddle.

Dale Self
5 Posted 28/05/2021 at 16:38:36
Ah, we're just freaked about getting the chance to suit James up and being possibly cursed. We're not, these are the kinds of things that happen as the club tries to climb into Champions League competition.

This will certainly get some behind him that may have been skeptical had he gone to the Copa America and exhausted himself. If he takes his success in the Premier League seriously, we're in a good position to make things interesting.

Richard Nelson
6 Posted 28/05/2021 at 16:47:10
I see the Colombian FA have got the "balls" to sort out the "part-timer's fatigue"... no messin' about there then!
Matthew Williams
7 Posted 28/05/2021 at 16:47:35
Karma?

If any player we have is not committed to the club's cause right now, then they can fuck right off for me... Mina too.

Were sadly just not ruthless enough.

Tony Abrahams
8 Posted 28/05/2021 at 16:50:44
My immediate thoughts become, I hope James Rodriguez can get over these debilitating little injuries, and get himself properly fit for next season.
Barry Hesketh
9 Posted 28/05/2021 at 16:50:54
James is not a happy bunny on receiving the news that he faield to be chosen for the Colombia squad(s) as reported in the Echo.

“With surprise, I receive the statement from the main technical body stating that they do not count on me and wishing me a full recovery.

“Recovery that I already made and in which I have sacrificed a lot

“The above filled me with deep disappointment because for me it means playing for my country.

“Not receiving the trust from the technical body breaks with everything and causes me enormous pain, since for the shirt of the Colombia team I have always left even my life.

"For my colleagues the best energy and best wishes. From a distance I will support with the passion of always.”


James Unhappy

Kieran Kinsella
10 Posted 28/05/2021 at 17:06:52
James's statement clears things up and supports my diagnoses that he has the rare condition Slavenbilicitis. It's an injury that prevents one from playing, on physio's advice but, based on the player's emotions, the injury is temporarily overcome if he desires to play for his country.
Andrew Ellams
11 Posted 28/05/2021 at 17:25:08
This is a big kick in the proverbials for him as Colombia are co-hosts for this tournament and it's a big call for them to leave him out.
Brian Wilkinson
12 Posted 28/05/2021 at 17:25:48
Should be our first signing of the summer – the Colombian coaching staff. Get them employed at Finch Farm, and scrutinise all future incoming possible signings.
Barry Hesketh
13 Posted 28/05/2021 at 17:29:26
Andrew @11,

There have been widespread protests against the government in Colombia, with demonstrators disrupting some Copa Libertadores matches. Because of this, Colombia isn't hosting any of the games. All the games will be played in Argentina.

Tom Harvey
14 Posted 28/05/2021 at 17:29:47
James is a toe rag!

Declares himself unfit to play for us and a week later declares himself fit to play for his country.

His country tells him he's fit to play for no-one, this I agree with.

He's known he's not fit but has dropped us like some tart outside the Grafton, knowing his missus is at home, but the thing is we've been paying for the drinks all night!

Bobby Mallon
16 Posted 28/05/2021 at 17:36:58
Tom Harvey, I agree. He has taken the piss for weeks. I'm just so glad the Colombian medics fucked him off.
Barry Hesketh
17 Posted 28/05/2021 at 17:37:53
For those who wish to renew their season tickets with high hopes of seeing James in the flesh a quick reminder of the dates to renew - particularly for those who wish to take out the Direct Debit option - remember there is no automatic renewal of Direct Debit so you have to request it.

Monday 31 May, midnight – 9-month Direct Debit deadline

Wednesday 30 June, midnight – 8-month Direct Debit deadline

Tuesday 13 July, 5pm – 7-month Direct Debit deadline

Tuesday 13 July, 5pm - Deadline for all Season Ticket renewals

Gary Willock
18 Posted 28/05/2021 at 17:39:42
Scary how bitter some of us are. Man loves his country… why should he “love us more” after 9 months of empty stadiums?

Give him some love, and maybe, just maybe, he'll learn to love us back too.

Gutted for you kiddo. Viva la Colombia, get well soon, and show Goodson Park and the premier league next season the true James! 💪🏻

Lyndon Lloyd
19 Posted 28/05/2021 at 17:45:18
The Colombian medical staff haven't made any different determination than our own. The difference is, we're paying wages and so are trying to get as much out of him as we can from week to week and given that he played more games than in either of the previous two seasons, I think we did alright.

Colombia need fit players for the Copa America and can't afford a passenger in the ranks because they can't call up other players if James breaks down completely.

We knew about his injury record and love of country before we signed him. Just enjoy him when he plays for us, hopefully in front of a packed house for the first time in August, and give him something to love about Everton. Because thus far, he doesn't have much of an idea.

Tom Harvey
20 Posted 28/05/2021 at 17:48:54
Gary Willock @ 18

On signing, when he discussed his terms with us, I wonder if he volunteered the information that he'll declare himself unfit to play for EFC if he thinks his chances of playing for Colombia might be impacted by anything happening at EFC?

Do you think that above was made clear to EFC?

Gary Willock
23 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:09:02
Tom @20

1) Can you confirm he hasn't expected to recover in the extra time he had between EFC matches and Colombia matches. Pretty clear he's genuinely injured… Expecting to recover in time for a later match is no crime.

2) Neither you nor I know his contract, but international matches help with the commercial side too… they are the reason he is the e8th most followed athlete on social media in the world.

3) If you want to spend your Friday evening slagging off our players and running both them and his legion of fans away from the club, fill ye boots kid. Me, I'd rather give our player some love when they need it. Enjoy your evening.

Barry Rathbone
24 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:12:39
Anyone know how he's performed at international level recently?

If it's been a mixed bag like here this might be just the excuse the manager has been looking for to bin him off. But being an icon I imagine the manager has to tread carefully. I remember Beckham being sidelined by England and Steve McLaren was shot dead as a result

Not quite, but there was a media backlash.

Mike Gaynes
27 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:21:18
"...they can fuck right off for me"

"James is a toe rag!"

"He has taken the piss for weeks."

What brilliant, classy fan support for the guy who was clearly our best player when healthy, who led us to previously impossible wins at Anfield and the Emirates, performed with a top attitude and a smile, and who -- yes! -- did turn out to be injured.

Slag, piss and smear away, boys. You make us proud.

Gary Willock
28 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:22:23
Well said Mr Gaynes.
Thomas Richards
29 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:23:10
The best pure footballer we have had in decades, Mike.

Shabbily treated imo.

Tom Harvey
31 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:36:02
Thomas Richards @ 29,

I've no doubt he too was thinking he's been shabbily treated as he cruised 30,000 feet above the world in his private Learjet while reading ToffeeWeb and thinking thast Mike Gaynes is a good guy!

He understands I should only play once in a blue moon and if the match gets too physical and those nasty Premier League defenders start kicking me in the cold weather, I can sit down and sub myself.

Thomas Richards
32 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:37:43
👍 Sound Tom.

Lets sign a triathlete and play him instead.

Kieran Kinsella
33 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:48:01
Mike & Gary,

He's our only creative player and, as Lyndon said, we knew the risks, so I am not in the "James out" angry camp by any means. I hope he stays and stays fit.

But I do think it was crass posting his selfie from his jet before we had our game. I also think it's not appropriate for him to declare that he wants to play for Colombia if our medics and theirs say he is injured.

Sure he's patriotic and what have you but we know the consequences of playing through injury at international level after the James McCarthy experience. If his national pride allows him to push through pain for a few games but he exacerbates that injury or picks up a worse one, then Everton will suffer the consequences. I don't think that is acceptable.

Brent Stephens
34 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:50:26
Dull football is slated. But we then slag a player who plays the beautiful game beautifully.
Andrew Ellams
35 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:57:32
Barry @ 13, didn't know that.

I only googled the competition at the weekend which was the first time I'd see who was hosting anything.

Anybody who remembers 1986, Colombia don't have much luck hosting tournaments.

Mike Gaynes
36 Posted 28/05/2021 at 18:58:13
Some choose to celebrate the brilliance and positivity the player has brought to Everton, including winning where we hadn't won in decades and new fan support from halfway around the world.

And some choose to slag him off because they think he missed too many games for his wages.

Just different ideas of what constitutes fan support, I guess. Everybody makes their own choices.

Darren Hind
38 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:04:24
Now people know why Madrid and Bayern were happy to let him go.

Great player on his day... but his signing has had an awful lot of poor judges who don't recognise a player on the decline tucking into crow.

Hopefully we will see a few more cameos before he rides off with the saddlebags Carlo has filled up for him.

Tom Harvey
39 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:07:34
Brent Stephens @ 34

There's a lot of teams out there who don't have the Beauty of a James.

Our neighbours don't have his beauty, he probably makes most of their players look quite ordinary, but I'd take all of their ordinary players rather than him right now, they'll turn up and be fully commited to the team be a fully functional part of the whole (regularly) and give us a team we can be proud of without being individually beautiful.

He was a dull signing by a fastly fading manager.

Thomas Richards
40 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:10:25
Swap him for a tackling machine?

Posters deride the "tackling machines" on a regular basis, then deride the best footballer at the club?

Strange.

Mike Gaynes
42 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:15:43
Kieran #33, I don't know anything about any selfies, so I have no opinion on that. With regards to his playing for Colombia, however, it's important to note the cultural difference of our perspectives.

Latin American players and fans are absolutely fanatical about their national teams -- the fervor is hard for us gringos to comprehend. I played semipro with a guy who decades earlier had earned maybe six caps for El Salvador (all losses -- ES is weak), and he was so emotional about the experience that after all those years he would still break down in tears talking about how honored he was to stand on the pitch for their anthem with all those people singing in the stands.

No club loyalty can possibly compete with how these guys feel about wearing their national colors. You may consider James's remarks inappropriate or unacceptable, but believe me when I tell you that being Colombian (and a national World Cup hero) he could have said nothing else. And I guarantee he meant every word. That's just how it is.

Mike Gaynes
46 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:20:30
Think Liverpool are aware that, if we hadn't made that "dull signing", we wouldn't have won on their pitch this season?

Damned right they are.

Brent Stephens
47 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:21:42
Tom Harvey - each to his own.
Brian Harrison
48 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:22:45
I think its quite interesting that James says he has made his recovery, for which he has suffered a lot, I have no idea what this relates too.

This injury problem has dogged him for quite a while, maybe it's why Real had to sell, I am sure they had the best medical people try and sort this problem. Maybe it keeps recurring after a few games and can't be fixed, in which case, are we just going to have to manage the situation as he still has another 12 months of his contract to run?

I wonder if this was brought up when he was having his medical, as it seems to have been a long-standing problem, so I can't believe Carlo was not aware of the problem.

Tom Harvey
49 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:26:45
Mike Gaynes @ 46

Where did we finish and where did they finish?

They've shown something we haven't: balls? However we have beauty!

Of course it mattered beating them for the first time at their ground in an eternity, but in the grander scheme of things it was only one game and then we regressed, they went on to show some real steel and get to save their season.

All my comments still stand.

Thomas Richards
50 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:28:02
A club like Everton would not be able to sign a 100% fully fit world famous superstar.

We got James because he is not 100% fully fit. Even at 75% fit, he is head and shoulders above anyone else in our squad.

Anthony Jones
52 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:33:53
What did he sacrifice exactly?

His club fitness?

Mike Gaynes
53 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:34:16
Brian #48, the whole world was aware of the problem. James first suffered that calf injury playing against the US at the Copa America five years ago. (I was there, I watched him limp off not long after he scored a penalty.)

The same problem has recurred often since then, most prominently at the 2018 World Cup. It's why we got him for free.

I predicted when we signed him that even if he played just half our games, if he was up to his usual standards, he would give us lots of reasons to cheer. He did, he was, and he did. It boggles my mind that some here actually think he was a bad signing. Nonsensical.

Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:43:17
Tom Harvey...

Nice try, but the topic here isn't which team is better. We all know that.

But tell me, where do you think we would have finished with 11 fewer goals? James scored 6 and created 5 more. Maybe somebody else could have contributed a couple of those, but not most of them. And NOBODY else on the club could have made the pass that beat the RS.

If you really think we'd have been better off without him this season, all I can say is that I hope it's a nice evening on whatever planet you're orbiting.

Paul Hewitt
65 Posted 28/05/2021 at 19:57:09
See James Vaughan has retired today. Now that was a player who would try and play through any injury. Unlike our Colombian friend.
Dave Abrahams
69 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:00:49
Mike (various),

You reckon if Rodriguez hadn't have played at Anfield, we wouldn't have won the game? Well, he certainly played his part, laid a goal on and was good for an hour, then he went off. I'd say he was part of a good team effort that day, in which every player put a good shift in, most longer than Rodriguez, to earn that victory.

At Arsenal he was as poor as most of the team in a match we stole, playing football going backwards.

Finally in your last paragraph @ (53) you predicted if Rodriguez “played in just half of our games, if he kept to his usual standards he, he would give reasons to cheer. He did, he was, and he did”.

Well, he started in half of our games, didn't finish in lots of them. He provided lots of cheer in some of them, brilliant to watch; he was poor in some of them, a handicap in some of them, stunk and threw his hand in against Fulham, and played one hour in the last six games, because he was tired, felt a slight twinge, and fatigued or saving himself for Colombia's games this summer. Unfit, in his own head, for Everton's games, but fit, in his own head, for Colombia's games, for which he sacrificed a lot to play in.

If he wasn't a bad signing, he certainly wasn't value for money. He didn't come free, Mike, he came at £4M per season, priced at £80,000 per week. Maybe his wages were more, maybe less. He still has another year on the table at the same wages. I doubt if he will be any fitter, meaning, to me, he will not be value for money next season.

I have no doubt how proud he is to play for his country. I have no doubt he is taking the piss out of my club, and Carlo is allowing him to take the piss out of him as well.

Will Mabon
70 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:01:02
An injury as he appears to have is a difficult thing to say the least. If it has a permanent presence that is visible by scan, or its effect can always be isolated by specific fitness test, then there requires a lot of input/self-assessment from the player, and trust in that input from the club or his country i.e. he may well be the final decision maker on his fitness to play, much of the time.

As fans we have no way of knowing the reality at any one time. James is now a year older and has an amount more playing time under his belt; has the injury worsened? I'd still like to know where the "Fatigued" element fits in though. And whether his sack and stones are OK now.

If he now has the summer for a proper prepare/rest regime maybe we'll get five or six consecutive mostly full games from him at the start of the season, as last year. Let's see...

Soren Moyer
71 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:09:29
So which one has the best hair? James or Gomes. 😀?
Barry Rathbone
72 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:10:06
If a "best" player can't play it impacts negatively on the team {and fans} "no show" games are started from an inferior mindset. Surely it's better to have a good player playing most games than a brilliant player playing a handful.

I don't doubt for a second some in the squad heard "fatigue" and quietly muttered "Fuck off, you malingering tool".

Undoubtedly he is a majestic technician but to be a true great requires mental and physical strength as well. He has failed on those counts at Madrid and Bayern so no surprise he's failing in the battlegrounds of the Premier League.

Love him to bits but he has now become a problem

Matthew Williams
73 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:10:50
"If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem."

Didn't Shankly just blank injured players? ... we put 'em on them private planes to go back home!

Just so angry at my club, the 5-0 defeat was bad enough, but when the world is watching and fucking laughing at us, it puts our current state into very sharp focus.

It would seem some of my fellow Blues are of a forgiving nature... I'm not.

Lee Courtliff
74 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:13:32
This could be great news for us. If he's just fully fit for the first month or 2 of next season then I'll be looking forward to watching him play for us.

I know it's frustrating but, if he was anywhere near reliable, then he wouldn't have signed for us. He'd be at one of the very top Champions League teams. That's how good he is.

Mike Keating
75 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:15:56
Mike #53,

I don't think everyone making comment thinks James is a ‘bad signing'. I think the real frustration stems from seeing a player who gets paid megabucks by EFC opting out of the final game of the season through injury to fly home for another competition and tweeting a gormless pic of himself on his kingsize bed while we endured yet another humiliation at the hands of Man City.

And then complaining when he gets ‘home' that he's deemed not fit enough to play for his country. Tough shit, James – we pay your wages and we need you fit for the start of next season, not limping back to another stint on the physio's couch.

Barry Hesketh
76 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:18:33

James is the only footballer on Everton's books, yes he's expensive in relation to his wages, yes he may not be as committed to Everton as we'd like, but give me one half-fit, half-committed James rather than the many crabs we've watched over the last five years or so.

Tony Abrahams
78 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:22:07
A player who hasn't played enough games for Everton has been told he's not fit enough to play for his country – and people are slagging him for this???

Rodriguez sounds like he's not far away from being fit, but Colombia have decided they don't want him because they don't think he's fit enough.

How will he feel after this rejection? A player with a point to prove, or a player who knows his best days are truly behind him, because his body keeps letting him down?

Richard Nelson
79 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:24:32
Good job he didn't sign for Leeds. Bielsa would have kicked him up the arse and told him to do one...!
Dale Self
80 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:27:11
His lack of commitment is an identity-damaging commentary on our football club. We are definitely not improved by that behavior on social media but there is no doubt that he raises our football quotient by an order of magnitude more.

Give Carlo a chance to get things right here, I'm sure he isn't unaware of the Everton fans' discomfort over this. Until we sign a gifted 10, we are in a position to get played when things go sideways or worse. We can build past these types of embarrassments and sometimes we have to ride with slick types like James to get where we want to be.

Soren Moyer
81 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:28:34
Tony (78),

If the Copa America tournament is being held once every 2 years then he would have a point to prove as he will be 32 (and not too old) during next one.

Rob Dolby
82 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:35:48
Haters got to hate they can't do anything other.

Reason and logic goes out of the window. Why even bother when you can just carry on hating.

"...they can fuck right off for me"
"James is a toe rag!"

"He has taken the piss for weeks."

Is that the comment of a "fan"?

I suppose it's a fine line in moderating sites like this. How Sad.

Tony Abrahams
83 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:37:56
The World Cup comes before this Soren, so I'm sure that if Rodriguez can get fit (if his body stops letting him down), then he will be determined to play once more in the tournament that helped him make his name.
Mike Gaynes
84 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:43:23
Dave #69, yes, I reckon we would not have won at Anfield without him. I also reckon we would not have drawn at Old Trafford, won at Spurs, or drawn at home with Leicester, Spurs or Liverpool without him. And I thought he had a better game than most at the Emirates, often providing our only decent passing alternatives through midfield. Overall, I believe he produced points against the top clubs that we would not have gotten without him.

If you want to think he's been taking the piss, you're welcome to. My opinion is that he's been a pretty good value for what we've paid him, even on limited minutes. He was involved in a goal every 136 minutes in all competitions, by far the best on the club, and most of those goals were meaningful -- big goals at important times.

Also, he actually played considerably more minutes last season than he had for the previous two at Real and Bayern respectively. Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I think that's a good sign.

Kieran Kinsella
86 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:51:53
Funny thing is perception versus reality when you factor in bias.

I like James and hate it when he is absent. I don't rate Gomes and am unhappy when he plays.

My perception this season was that Gomes was virtually an ever-present while James was frequently absent. The reality is that James played 200 minutes, equivalent to over two games more than Gomes. Yet I could swear I spent the majority of this season thinking "I wish James was playing instead of Gomes.”

Dave Abrahams
89 Posted 28/05/2021 at 20:59:17
Mike (84), possibly we wouldn't have won at Anfield, fair enough; we definitely wouldn't have won without Pickford and a great defensive performance. He wasn't on the field when we scored a last-minute draw at Old Trafford; we didn't do much attacking at Arsenal.

As for him playing more than he did at Madrid and Munich, not sure he was always in contention to be picked by the managers there. Bayern never took the option on retaining him and I think Madrid were glad to get his wages off the books. Who else were offering him a better deal than the one that Everton gave him?

Mike, I'd like to be an optimist, like you, over James, nothing wrong with that. I just couldn't honestly force myself to do it.

Don Alexander
90 Posted 28/05/2021 at 21:01:19
James is starting to remind me of another classy international player, a Croat who was a regular for them but went down at any excuse for us, "injured", only to make a miraculous recovery when it suited him.

Anyone remember him? Maybe he learned a lot from our current ever-present coach eh?

Why do we sign so many not up to the task of being a fit, skilled, big-hearted professional giving his all for the club?

Brent Stephens
91 Posted 28/05/2021 at 21:01:26
If I could pick out one recurrent theme from this season it would probably be those long, caressed cross-field passes from James to Digne. Pure class.

David Currie
92 Posted 28/05/2021 at 21:13:16
Dave A 69,

Yours is the best post here and you say it all really well. As we know in any team sport you need a great team spirit so I would be concerned why James was not at the Wolves or City game supporting his team. Why not get on a plane after the last game?

Tony Everan
95 Posted 28/05/2021 at 21:19:32
I hope our backroom staff and physios have a full program for him to follow to remedy his injury and gain strength. He needs to have a personal trainer and physio with him throughout the summer (even virtually) to help him recover and get to maximum fitness.

Then on the first day of preseason July 7th or whatever he can be back at Finch Farm setting an example to the squad about commitment and showing absolute desire to win something with Everton next season.

If he shows that he is serious about giving 100% and not one percent less to Everton starting now, he will have my complete respect.

I sympathise with him for being left out. I wish him well in getting as physically strong as possible to have a blinding final season with us.

To have a player of this calibre we’ve got to retain faith that solutions can be found. We don’t have to build
a team around him at all, but we can use him intelligently as an ace in our pack.

Mike Gaynes
99 Posted 28/05/2021 at 21:54:24
Kieran #86, I couldn't believe it, so I had to go check Transfermarkt myself, and damn, you're right! James did play that many more minutes than Gomes. I think the perception is because Gomes's minutes seemed endless while James's felt quick and enjoyable.

James also started more games and played more minutes than Seamus, but I don't recall anybody accusing the captain of lack of commitment or being a part-timer or taking the piss out of the club. Even though he and James both had leg muscle injuries that recurred.

And nobody called Seamus a "toe rag" who should "fuck right off."

But James gets those comments.

Hmmm...

Dale Self
100 Posted 28/05/2021 at 22:08:52
I know this isn't a well-supported position, Mike, and I know his performance isn't up to standard but that minutes stat also argues that Gomes did not have much time after coming back from injury. An injury he returned from in less than four months to at least try to contribute to the squad.

Others might have just taken their time, let's give him credit for that.

Kieran Kinsella
101 Posted 28/05/2021 at 22:12:42
Dale,

I will certainly give Gomes credit for a) fighting back from that horrific injury and b) doing his best. He certainly has a good attitude on and off the pitch.

Bobby Mallon
102 Posted 28/05/2021 at 22:15:08
Mike Gaynes,

That's because Seamus gets a pass because he's Everton through and through and a legend. James is not.

Roger Helm
103 Posted 28/05/2021 at 22:24:26
He's our best player by a country mile and a joy to watch at times. Of course he is not fully fit – however would we have signed him if he was?

Hopefully a summer resting, new signings of the Godfrey class to support him, and a first Premier League season out of the way, and his second season will be a lot better, if he stays.

Kieran Kinsella
104 Posted 28/05/2021 at 22:28:13
Bobby,

I like your loyalty to Seamus but I think it's a bit more complicated than that. There's also the fact that Seamus is older, had a horrific injury, and can't handle two games a week. A lot of people were quite happy to see him benched earlier in the season – not because they don't respect him but because they know his age and injury limitations. James gets more stick cause he's closer to his prime and no-one else can do what he does.

Alan McGuffog
105 Posted 28/05/2021 at 22:43:48
Seamus didn't bugger off back to the old country on a private plane with a bloody big shit eating grin on his face whilst his mates were still working. Well, when I say 'working'... poetic license, of course
Paul Smith
107 Posted 28/05/2021 at 22:59:13
Wait there, he's posting selfies of himself when we're getting beat 5-0 and losing out on any of only a slim chance of Europe – and some think we should celebrate him?
Laurie Hartley
108 Posted 28/05/2021 at 23:05:50
At 29 Rodrigues now has a huge decision to make. Does he chuck his rattle out of the pram and fade away into obscurity or decide to show them how wrong they were to leave them out of the squad?

One thing is for sure: the only way he will be able to do the latter is playing for Everton because nobody will be rushing in to take him away from us.

Personally, I think nothing but good can come from this for us. He is a footballer that brings a smile to my face when he is on blob. I am hoping we will see the best of him next season.

Laurie Hartley
109 Posted 28/05/2021 at 23:21:08
Alan & Thomas - for some reason, your posts made me think about this little video I came across on YouTube the other day.

The Road to Knockanore

Now that old lad has the lilt alright.

Alan McGuffog
110 Posted 28/05/2021 at 23:26:01
Laurie... had that fella been one of our Hibernian contingent in the 1950s – not Peter Farrell obviously.
Mike Gaynes
111 Posted 28/05/2021 at 23:47:03
Dale and Kieran,

I will always give Gomes credit for courage and a great attitude, and an obvious love for Everton. Plus, by every account, he's a thoroughly lovely fellow to teammates, fans and the media.

It's just that he's pretty much the same player post-injury as he was pre-injury, which is to say... not great. He was no more productive for Barca than he is for us.

And Kieran #104, Seamus is 3 years older but he and James both have about the same mileage on 'em because James played more games earlier in his career. They both made their 400th career appearance this season.

Pekka Harvilahti
112 Posted 28/05/2021 at 23:57:45
I understand some people dislike or hate James, he's foreign, not-so-workaholic and even lazy going down and defend.

But he still got 6 goals and 9 assists in 26 games: at last, we had a talent who could lose the opponent and make a superior pass.

I think he's the most skillful player I've ever seen in blue. In a better side, he would have accomplished more but, in this Everton side, it was always going to be difficult.

I hope we get the seven new players we need and that James will play another season relatively injury-free.

John Pickles
113 Posted 29/05/2021 at 00:17:54
Thank God he doesn't play for Ireland!
Kieran Kinsella
114 Posted 29/05/2021 at 01:35:29
Pekka

I don't think, or at least hope, people don't “dislike James because he's foreign.” Regardless of his nationality, I think if you look for the subtext everyone likes or at least rates him. The difference is, half on here are I would say pragmatic “he's great but injury prone but he wouldn't be here if he wasn't” while the rest are “get rid!”

Subtext “I'm just annoyed because he's our best player and I wish he played every game.

Dave McDowell
115 Posted 29/05/2021 at 01:38:02
Pekka #112 if you think being foreign is a factor in James being disliked or hated then you've forgotten Ross Barkley or blanked out the dog's abuse Leon Osman regularly received and both of these guys were our own.

I can categorically state Evertonians are totally non-discriminatory in dishing shit out.

Our creed is “we don't care where you're from but give us 100% of your ability & commitment while you're with the club and we'll support you”.

I cite Denis Stracqualursi and Oumar Niasse.

Kieran Kinsella
116 Posted 29/05/2021 at 01:41:20
Dave McDowell,

100 percent agree. Good examples too mate.

Steve Brown
117 Posted 29/05/2021 at 02:13:44
Proof if needed that some of our fans value perspiration over inspiration.

James is a magician, a joy to watch who as Pekka says can spot a space and make the pass like no-one else. I don't care if he runs a lot, others can do that for him. Enjoy him while you can and hopefully we'll all get the chance to see him at Goodison.

Dave McDowell
118 Posted 29/05/2021 at 02:36:41
Steve #117 is your “proof if needed” referring to my reference of Stracqualursi and Niasse?
Kieran Kinsella
119 Posted 29/05/2021 at 02:48:30
Mike Gaynes

You may be right and there's a cultural difference. My patriotism is pretty broad: mammals. I'll admit I'm very prejudiced against arachnids, reptiles and sponges.

But seriously, while I support and get upset if England or Ireland lose, through an archaic law 100 years old, I qualify for a German passport. Had the chance ever arisen (I was very good at penalties) I'd have happily mimed to "Deutschland, Deutschland" and represented that lot with zero tears, zero passion, just a healthy dose of ego, lol.

So I honestly can't fathom the dedication to playing for “my country” that motivates these lads to play through the pain barrier and weep during anthems. But, that's what makes the world great — so many different viewpoints and cultures. Respect.

Mike Gaynes
120 Posted 29/05/2021 at 02:50:37
Dave #118, I have a different theory.

We embrace ugly.

You mentioned Stracqualursi and Niasse. Two guys who could stop clocks just walking past them.

Look at some of our other most popular players: Carsley, Big Dunc, Big Nev, Sheeds, Ball, Kendall, Baines, Sharp. And have you taken a close look at the statue of Dixie?

Not a looker in the bunch.

Dave McDowell
121 Posted 29/05/2021 at 02:54:31
Mike #120

You have a theory worthy of consideration, oh hang on I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous mention of the gormless looking Ross Barkley.

So jury is out.

Kieran Kinsella
122 Posted 29/05/2021 at 02:59:11
Mike

So you’re not into the rugged, rolly polly dustman fetish? After a few beers, old Nev is like Chris Hemsworth meets J-Lo.

Phil Smith
124 Posted 29/05/2021 at 05:02:35
Vaughan retired? He’s only 32. Shame. Tranmere really needed him next season. Still has goals in him at that level. Maybe they can sign Niasse. He didn’t play once for Huddersfield.
Derek Thomas
125 Posted 29/05/2021 at 05:40:53
If Colombia can't – or won't – 'carry' him, no matter how good he was, then neither should we.

If he wants to play football... any football, then he has to get fit. If he can't get 'Premier League fit' then either, try his luck in the MSL, or retire and play Xbox, thus saving us millions.

Over to you, Mr Rodriguez.

Peter Warren
126 Posted 29/05/2021 at 05:48:59
James has hardly played at crucial times of season. Because of his class, a lot of us can accept he's injured and so be it, but surely he could have supported our team in the final match and when we still had a chance of Europe at the time. Instead, he's focussed on leaving us to get to Colombia. That's why people are pissed, it's disrespectful.

If he has played a high level for 37 games, got injured in the last game and left, then maybe we all go "fair enough"... but he hasn't. The reality is he was very poor in the business end of season, like the rest of the players, and is clearly not committed; otherwise, he would stick around to support us.

We need 100% people to get the club moving in right direction but nothing has changed and we're a soft touch with average demands on our players, coaches and team.

Darren Hind
127 Posted 29/05/2021 at 06:54:47
It's a little misguided to suggest Evertonians prefer sweat to art. Most have been brought up on the School of Science ethos.

The irony of our club being the ugly sister of the Premier League for well over a decade causes me an almost physical pain. We are essentially a football-loving tribe.

The difference in popularity between Seamus and James has nothing to do with cultures. The reason is simple. One of them regularly demonstrates his love for this club... The other only says it.

If you don't love Everton with your heart and soul, you will never receive universal love in return... no matter how good you are.

Mike Gaynes
128 Posted 29/05/2021 at 07:06:00
There is zero evidence of a "difference in popularity between Seamus and James" except on TW. How popular they are with the fans as a whole will only be determined when those fans are back in their seats at Goodison and able to make themselves heard.

And loving Everton "with your heart and soul" is far from a guarantee of universal love in return. Ask Ossie. Nobody was more loyal to the club. Or took more shit.

Steve Brown
129 Posted 29/05/2021 at 07:19:28
Dave @ 118, I think we have a few categories here. But overall, Everton have spent 20 years signing average-talent or untalented players who work hard. Unsurprisingly we have won nothing.

Untalented and hard working: Stracqualursi, Niasse, Carsley, Kilbane, Linderoth, Castillo, Pembridge, Martina, Williams, Hibbert.

Average talent and hard working:Walcott, Coleman, Distin, Osman, McCarthy, Gueye, Jagielka, Unsworth, Lennon, Sigurdsson, Ovideo, Osman, Naismith, Fellaini, Neville, Yobo, Cahill, Lescott, Beattie, Weir, Stubbs, Bent, Campbell, Radzinski

Average talent and lazy: Mirallas, Ferguson, Schneiderlin, McGeady, Heitinga, Jelavic, Rodwell, McFadden, Gravesen, Kone

Talented and lazy: Barkley, Deulofeu, Lukaku, Saha, Yakubu

Talented and hard working: Baines, Pienaar, Barry, Stones, Arteta

Top class: Rooney, James

Danny O’Neill
130 Posted 29/05/2021 at 07:40:50
I don't have any affiliation to international football other than enjoying watching it for the football.

But I feel his pain as he is passionate about representing his country. I have done so in a very different non-footballing way so I get patriotism.

I like Lydon's post above. Enjoy this player playing for Everton when he does. Like Kanchelskis & Beardsley, he is a true top talent and we haven't had many of those in recent decades.

He won't play every match but most players don't in the modern game. I have previously done so and will again draw parallels (not exact similarities by the way) to Agüero at City. I don't hear many City fans complaining at the fact he only gave them half a season most seasons. I see and hear them talking about what a great player he is / was for them and how he impacted the games that he did play in.

Danny O’Neill
131 Posted 29/05/2021 at 07:47:48
Steve, that's a really telling analysis.

The most telling is that most of the players listed fall into your average talent and hard working category. That kind of sums up Everton teams over recent decades.

Robert Tressell
132 Posted 29/05/2021 at 07:58:39
I've enjoyed having James here and his contribution has been excellent. He's only here because he's broken, mind you. We get just one more year out of him and Sigurdsson before they leave for free. That's a departure of 12 goals and 10 assists – 46% of our 47 goals.
Thomas Richards
133 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:00:04
Mike,

Gary Speed. One of the greatest Evertonians, was treated disgracefully. he loved this club and said so regularly.

Danny O’Neill
134 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:06:38
Players, who despite our frustration with them Robert, can impact and change a game.

Gary Speed. Great shout, Thomas. Great player and Evertonian. If only timing had been different.

Kevin Dyer
135 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:08:49
#38 Darren, maybe you've read different stuff than I, but Bayern wanted to buy him and he turned them down.
Tony Everan
136 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:22:47
Good arguments about inspiration or perspiration. I think what's more important is how players fit together as a team. I think of the great Everton teams of the mid-eighties and how they knitted together seamlessly. There was some fantastic players on show but, for me, it was the way the team interacted with each other.

There was a mutual understanding of each other's play and a mutual expectation of total commitment to get the win. Howard created an irrepressible wave of teamwork that the opposition just could not cope with. The type of player who fits into this concept is the most important attribute.

With regards to the perspiration argument, it's the recruitment side who should only be interested in signing committed players. Homework should be thorough on the player's mentality, not just stats or passages of play.

Then once the player is signed it's the manager's and coach's job to make sure each player is motivated and standards don't slip. I don't think in the recent past we have focused or analysed or even discussed the psychology of a player as much as we should have.

Mark Murphy
137 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:28:11
"Untalented..." Lee Carsley.

Errrr.... yer wha???

Phil Wood
138 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:28:20
Excellent points from everyone but, to my mind, James is a luxury player that we just cannot afford to trust for consistency. A Bruno Fernandes but only turning up every few games or in glimpses. We cannot afford this inconsistency if we want success.

Not slighting the player but he hasn't either the legs, spirit or maybe both for a Premier League battle every week.

Sam Fitzsimmons
139 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:30:55
I have no doubt that, when it came to signing James, there were more reasons than just his exceptional talent with a football.

It would be interesting to know how much James has generated in commercial revenue for Everton since he joined. I would imagine shirt sales globally will have offset some of his wages. Indeed, Everton are a much more attractive proposition to sponsors with him at the club.

Whether you think of him as a diva or a flawed genius, from a business perspective, it would be hard not to see his value to Everton.

Phil Wood
140 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:31:28
Oh! and I would love an "Average" player like Tim Cahill now.
Martin Berry
141 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:33:44
I would think that James is really disappointed at this as he thought he was going to play for Colombia; it's a wake-up call for him to try and get himself fit for us and his country.

Maybe next season, if he is still with us, we might get more games out of him as he has been unreliable this season.

It remains to be seen where he will play, not on the right as Carlo says he wants to bring in a new right-winger, so I assume No 10?

Danny O’Neill
142 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:45:12
The point you make Tony Everan(ton), is a good one.

Teams and, in the modern game, extended squads, that support the increasingly necessary rotation requirements, need balance.

Too many grafters, you'll huff and puff, satisfy the punters with effort and the odd slide tackle, but you'll never achieve anything.

Too many prima donnas and they will throw their dummys out of the pram and blame everyone else. You won't achieve anything

Balance. The 80s team you talk about had balance.

Peter Reid battling in the midfield (but he could play too), balanced with the graceful Bracewell. Oh how I wish he could have played longer.

Our very direct right back who got us goals and our nails, but (in my opinion), not the best footballing left back.

Ratcliffe defending, Mountield scoring goals from set pieces.

Kevin Sheedy; my favourite Everton player to date in my lifetime. Even in the midst of our success, I used to regularly hear shouts (my best mate included) of laziness because he wasn't perceived to work hard enough. He often took time on the ball rather than rush things, even when the baying crowd were screaming at him. But then delight when he often won a game for us, either through a goal or what we would now call an assist.

Balance. And if we want to succeed, we are going to have to need and accept players like James in the team / squad. Otherwise, let's go back to Marcus Bents because they try hard and run fast.

John Cook
143 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:52:08
James could apply for an Australian visa and maybe play for them:

https://twitter.com/nocontextefc/status/1398354577540403210?s=24
Eddie Dunn
144 Posted 29/05/2021 at 08:54:53
To me, it is clear that James is a class player, when fit. It is also clear that he has a chronic injury, one that will flare-up regularly. I presume that the only temporary cure is rest and therefore the coaching staff have to try to pick the games he is most suited for.

I read Mike Gaynes above explaining the duty and pride that these guys have for their country. As much as I can understand that, it is clear that he made a judgement on either pushing himself to play in our last game (which, if we had won, would not have brought European qualiffication – but we didn't know that). He chose his country over his club. We pay his wages – therefore, I am disappointed in him.

Next season we could have a similar situation with an important fixture followed by a Colombia game a week later. So he will miss our game to be fit for theirs. I think we should insist that he is not released for internationals if he has not been available to play the club's most recent fixture.

John Graham
145 Posted 29/05/2021 at 09:03:48
Hopefully he will want to make a point next season to show what the National side have missed.

I do feel though that he needs to take a leaf out of Ronaldo's book about fitness and beef up a bit. At the moment, he does seem too fragile for the Premier League.

Let's hope he has a good break and comes back eager for the fight ahead in August.
COYB

Thomas Richards
146 Posted 29/05/2021 at 09:08:06
"Balance. And if we want to succeed, we are going to have to need and accept players like James in the team / squad. Otherwise, let's go back to Marcus Bents because they try hard and run fast."

Very good post Danny.

Darren Hind
147 Posted 29/05/2021 at 10:00:13
Why do people deliberately twist what you say. in an attempt to seem knowledgeable

Loving the club isn't a guarantee you will be loved by the fans, but not loving the club is a guarantee that you wont - Ask Lukaku.

James asking to be substituted, crying off with Fatigue and taking selfies on his way to SA when his mates needed him will get people like Bobby Mallon riled up every time. Is someone going to come on and say he is wrong ?

People who havent been anywhere near the country let alone the City since James got here. are simply not qualified to say there is no difference between the popularity of James and Seamus "except on TW". Especially when they glean most of what they know about the club from this site.

Nobody doubts James's ability, but if you think he is anywhere near as popular as Seamus in this City you are miles away

Brent Stephens
148 Posted 29/05/2021 at 10:22:49
I sensed that the spirit of the debate was about the popularity of James - not the popularity of James "in this City".
Derek Thomas
149 Posted 29/05/2021 at 10:25:38
Danny @ 130; I get what your saying about Aguero and his 'only half the games per season' - this is ok when you're winning stuff...almost every season.

I maybe being a bit harsh, but only really good sides (like City) can 'carry'...and afford for that matter...players who only turn up and/or, turn it on, for half a season.

Beacause if they don't, there are others to 'carry' the load.

For half a dozen games a season, He might well 'carry' us...as he did early in the season.
But if he fluctuates between being a nonentity, and some times a liability and then just plain absent.
He's not somebody we can afford, in both senses, to carry.

If he gets really fit fair enough, but if he's only kidding himself and us - No.

Nathan Ford
150 Posted 29/05/2021 at 10:27:08
Hopefully this will give james the motivation to prove something to columbian national team. Fingers crossed we can get a few players in with the same kind of footballing brain. James is a Rolls Royce footballer who will play better with better players around him.
With regards to his injury problems it seems to always be his calf and as someone who has suffered with the same problem I can tell you they just go at any time. James himself will just feel he cant trust his body and will be totally frustrated. If you were to ask james now if he could play for 3 more years and retire at 32 but have no more injuries or just carry on and play till 35/36 as he is now then I'd guarantee he'd take option 1.
I'm hoping to get to a few games at goodison next year (covid depending) and I'll be more excited on the 4 hour drive up knowing I'm going to see James in the royal blue. I'd hate to think none of us get to see him in the flesh because he's a rare talent. Let's be honest the only reason we have James on our books is because he has had injury problems. If he was never injured then we wouldn't have had a snowballs chance in hell of signing him
Pat Kelly
151 Posted 29/05/2021 at 10:35:41
Hopefully we can sign someone who's fit and wants to play for us for 90 minutes whatever the weather. And will be supporting his teammates until the very last game.
Thomas Richards
152 Posted 29/05/2021 at 10:46:02
"Why do people deliberately twist what you say. in an attempt to seem knowledgeable"

Your sense of self importance has no barriers.
Mike Gaynes (one of them who hasnt been in our city since James got here, therefore negating his right to an opinion) and myself gave an example of two great Evertonians who were treated badly.
Thats all, nothing else.

Darren Hind
153 Posted 29/05/2021 at 10:51:32
I don't even know what the kopites thing of their players and I live in this city.
I do know that the over whelming majority of Evertonian's in this City discuss footy 24/7.
James isn't discussed once a week. He is discussed every day and so is Seamus.
I have not heard anybody dispute James ability, but I have heard dozens and dozens of people complain about his commitment.

To insinuate that James is only questioned on TW is just ill informed Gibberish. To claim he is as popular as Seamus Evertonians as a whole will not see the fan boy poster boy other people around the world see. They will see only their player and they will judge him (rightly or wrongly) on everything form skill to commitment.

Btw; Those who actually know. will tell you that Gay speed was loved as an Everton player The anger and animosity only surfaced AFTER he left and it was only directed at him by people who did not know the full story.

The clubs behaviour towards Gary Speed was one of the dark moments in our history. They let him cop all that flack because they didnt want to tarnish the reputation of a legend Poor. Poor show. Speed was as Blue as any one of us on here.

BTW; I did not negate Mikes right to an opinion, Thats either your latest foolish attempt at an argument.or another example of you being unable to understand the point

I said he was not qualified to claim that the people on TW are the only ones who question.James...Thats because he isnt

Thomas Richards
154 Posted 29/05/2021 at 10:57:43
If James scored a hat trick in the Champions League final for Everton he would still not be loved as much as Seamus by us.

Ive posted it before.
Seamus is in my top ten all time favourites as an Everton player.

Michael Kenrick
155 Posted 29/05/2021 at 11:03:38
Quick Question: which game (or games!) was it that James asked to be substituted?
Steve Brown
156 Posted 29/05/2021 at 11:10:40
Mark@137, just my opinion. I tried to categorise as many of the 2000s blues players as possible, so will definitely have a lot of people disagreeing with me!
Darren Hind
157 Posted 29/05/2021 at 11:11:29
It was against Man Utd, Michael.

Carlo stated - "This week he did 80 minutes. He asked me to change it because he was physically tired, but no physical problem."

John Pickles
158 Posted 29/05/2021 at 11:12:37
But we can afford to carry him. When he plays we have 1 great player and 10 others. When he doesn't play, we don't just send out 10 players. It's not his fault the replacement isn't as good.

Having James doesn't stop us signing other world class ability players, being a 'basket case' club that seldom qualifies for European football does that. In fact having James is one of the few things that has raised the profile of this club.

If we stopped giving sub-standard players 5 year contracts on ridiculous wages then we could still afford a consistent top 7 team irrespective of whatever we are paying James.

James injury record is a problem, but it shouldn't even be on the shortlist of immediate problems this this club needs addressing.

Michael Lynch
159 Posted 29/05/2021 at 11:28:20
Both sides of the debate are right and both are wrong. He clearly has a long term injury problem and that’s the reason he’s playing for us and not Man City. He’s barely played in the latter part of the season and it may well be that, as the end of the season approached, his mind was on being fit for Colombia as he was unlikely to be fit enough for the remaining Everton games. And it’s probably the case that he once his national team took at look at him, they had to make a decision quickly, and declared him unfit.

He is a sensational footballer who can turn a game with his left peg. But he also can be a liability who is taking up a place that might be filled by a less talented but more effective player.

So, yes he’s a sick note but that’s why we have him. Yes he’s the most talented player in the squad by a mile, but that doesn’t mean he’s the best player we have.

Michael Kenrick
160 Posted 29/05/2021 at 11:49:11
Cheers, thanks Darren.
Dave Abrahams
161 Posted 29/05/2021 at 12:03:59
Michael (160), Rodriguez also indicated he wanted to come off versus Fulham at Goodison Park, sitting just inside the touch line on the Bullens Road side, when the trainer was treating him, after a next to nothing tackle, he said something to the trainer who immediately signalled to the bench a change was needed, he like most of the players that day were ‘ not at the races’.
Thomas Richards
162 Posted 29/05/2021 at 12:06:10
"BTW; I did not negate Mikes right to an opinion, Thats either your latest foolish attempt at an argument.or another example of you being unable to understand the point"

You posted at 147.

"People who havent been anywhere near the country let alone the City since James got here. are simply not qualified to say there is no difference between the popularity of James and Seamus "except on TW". Especially when they glean most of what they know about the club from this site"

Snide and sniping.

Tom Harvey
163 Posted 29/05/2021 at 12:09:31
Would Argentina ever have dropped Maradona?

They would have played him on crutches!

Columbia must feel they're carrying James to drop him like this? His form must not be too hot.

They've dropped him for an ordinary mortal who probably doesn't have a private jet.

Barry Williams
164 Posted 29/05/2021 at 12:48:39
I think the signing of an out and out wide player(S) and also having Gordon back can help matters.

Never play James or Sigurdsson out wide; alternate them between the number 10 roles. They both score, both assist and this simple solution will keep them both fresh.

A robust, fast box to box midfielder might help too, as would playing a higher line - less need to come back and collect the ball - as James often does.

Simple this management!!!!!

Alan Johnson
165 Posted 29/05/2021 at 13:05:46
A QUERY Anyone know how Moise Keen has been playing at PSG?
Thomas Richards
166 Posted 29/05/2021 at 13:15:46
Barry, 164.

Good post.
Agree with all of that.

Tony Abrahams
167 Posted 29/05/2021 at 13:22:21
I’m looking to see when Ancellotti has played with proper wide players and maybe that’s why he upset Robben at Bayern Munich?
Tom Harvey
168 Posted 29/05/2021 at 13:27:24
Alan @ 165

He got on against City in the CL semi ahead of Mbape, he can't be playing too badly judging by that?

In any case he wants out and Ancelotti has said any player can leave who doesn't want to be here, we need to extort every single possible euro out of PSG for his services.

Derek Thomas
169 Posted 29/05/2021 at 13:34:15
Barry Williams @ 164; are you the B.W. on the EFC fans representative poll?
I gave 'a' Barry Williams a vote anyway for name recognition and being the only one to mention the International fan.
Tony Everan
170 Posted 29/05/2021 at 13:39:43
Barry, We’ve got to hope that Carlo and Brands are on the same page with all that. The right winger is a certainty, as is the RB, there been hints of a CB to get that higher line. (Maybe with Yerry moving on to balance the books).

With regards that attacking midfielder it’s been quiet, not many rumours . Also, I think Carlo said something about not signing a midfielder a few weeks ago. That might change if we can find buyers for any combination of our current midfielders Bernard, Delph, Gomes, Iwobi, maybe even Sigurdsson since he is on his final year of contract - if someone offers a decent fee.

I think we need that attacking midfielder you describe, so I will be hoping something happens on that front. Brands is going to be busy.

Ian Horan
171 Posted 29/05/2021 at 13:41:40
Reality check: a fully fit uninjured and 40 games a season James ain't looking to play for Everton, and Everton certainly would not be getting him on a free!!!

The closest thing to James in the Premier League era is Le Tissier and Bergkamp, no speed quick brains and skill above the run-of-the-mill player. James brings us star quality. We need his workhorses to do the dirty work.

We also need players on his wavelength. What we now need is dynamism, athletic speed and cold-blooded finishers upfront. Richarlison ain't never going to be a Salah or Kane, Calvert-Lewin, although dramatically improved, will only ever be a penalty-box finisher and reliant on crosses – he will never have the tricky quick feet of a Greenwood or, dare I say it, Jota or Foden.

Peter Hopkins
172 Posted 29/05/2021 at 13:42:14
Slightly off topic and maybe it has been mentioned somewhere else but I see Brendan Galloway has been released by Luton, what has happened there, looked quality and now released by Luton Town?
Barry Williams
173 Posted 29/05/2021 at 13:58:15
Thomas Richards - 166. Here's hoping hey!

Derek Thomas- 169. Wasn't me mate. Some other chap with a very Welsh name. I only come on this forum with regards to all things Everton!

Tony Everan - 170. I thought Doucoure was that midfield player, whilst he has been okay and an upgrade, he isn't. I would certainly be happy to see one of Keane, Mina or Holgate be replaced by a cb with pace and ball playing skills.

A lot of work needed in the next season or two (or three )

Darren Hind
174 Posted 29/05/2021 at 14:01:18
Not snide and sniping at all. The guy challenged my post by making a statement he wasn't qualified to make.

You had been blanked, but you dived in yet again to look for another argument.

Argumentative and stupid.

David Thomas
175 Posted 29/05/2021 at 14:08:21
Another day on this site and another thread with Darren arguing with someone. What a surprise.
Barry Rathbone
176 Posted 29/05/2021 at 14:27:45
Can see James thinking he had injuries at Madrid and wasn't binned by the national side.

Fully expect a dummy spitting response tacitly blaming Everton rather than knuckling down. After years of lounging around with injuries the idea of grafting to prove people wrong seems slightly optimistic.

Probably sticking pins in Carlo and Moshiri dolls between platters of Bandeja Paisa as we speak.

Danny O’Neill
177 Posted 29/05/2021 at 14:29:54
Barry @164. You've sussed it! Barry for management!

I don't think we'll see an out and out winger. I think more of an attacking midfielder who plays wide. Not someone who gets chalk on their boots and hits the byline to whip in a cross. More someone in the Kanchelskis mode.

I'm probably being more wishful as to what I'd personally like there as opposed to what the manager may actually do!!

Tony Everan
178 Posted 29/05/2021 at 14:39:37
Danny, I think you are right about the orthodox winger. I think Perreira would fit the bill attacking on the right hand side, but isn’t an out and out winger. I know your next comment ! What PL player would you compare Sabitzer to?
Brian Williams
179 Posted 29/05/2021 at 14:47:16
Mike@128. There is zero evidence of a "difference in popularity between Seamus and James" except on TW.

Mike, although that statement may be true in so much as physical evidence can't be provided I have to disagree with the point being made (if that makes sense?).
People in the city, AND surrounding areas will be related to, live with, work with and meet with other, mostly match going, Evertonians on a daily basis even though they're not attending games and haven't for some time. And they'll talk all things Everton each and every time they meet.

I can safely say, although not provide evidence, that the feelings towards Seamus and James are totally different mate.

Seamus is loved unconditionally because of HIS obvious love for the club, his outstanding integrity, and his desire for us to win something for US the supporters, and in no small part due to the length of time and level of service he's given to the club. He's also a humble person (Scousers don't tend to take to superstars in the same way) cut from the same dare I say, lowly, cloth as lots on Merseyside, myself included (despite being from Killybegs).

When it comes to James he's "admired" for his sublime skills and at the moment that's it.

If I bumped into Seamus he'd get hugged to embarrassment. With James I'd shake his hand (while secretly admiring his fucking lovely hair obviously).

Dan Nulty
180 Posted 29/05/2021 at 15:04:45
This lad is a class player. We've not seen the like for a long time in blue. This is brilliant news for us as it means he can recover and have a full preseason under his belt to show columbia they were wrong. I'm not sure why we'd think he would blame Everton. We released him early from his obligations so he could see his daughter.
Thomas Richards
181 Posted 29/05/2021 at 15:08:02
Darren 174,

Thanks for blanking me in your post.
It must be contagious after your alter ego did similar yesterday😁😁

Derek Moore
182 Posted 29/05/2021 at 15:09:37
Missing a major international tournament through fitness and not form is just so sad. (I was gutted for Bryan Oviedo in 2014) It seems like there's something else going on as well maybe with James though, some sort of power struggle over selection and direction of the national team?
When England was in a similar position with Beckham they gave him a half football boot / cast and let him play largely crocked and ineffectual regardless. My arl fella still reminds me England didn't really start playing in Italia 90 until Brian Robson went home - and he probably should never have been picked in the first place as he was nowhere near fit. The team that went to the semis in 1990 was at least as much as disaster as design, rather in the English fashion. I think if James Rodriguez was Jimmy Rodgers of Arsenal instead there's no way England wouldn't give the guy every chance to play. To get the KB from a team where you are quite potentially the most talented player for that team must be very very humbling.

James must be crushed, and I hope he has the fortitude and mental strength to shake off among the most public of bone jarring repudiations.
This isn't particularly good news for anyone really. Quite a few posters have vocalized their belief that James has a motivation problem. If we assume that is correct, I do not see how being publically featured as no longer fit for purpose for the national team might help.

I'm hoping one of our most creative players has more mental strength than he's being generally given credit for on this thread anwyay. With the fans likely to be returning in numbers across the league, any negative body language or perceived prima donna stuff will no doubt fill many threads like this one. Once again, I think we'll know fairly quickly how James is feeling about things.
Brands has probably got more headaches than Tyson Furys sparring partners right now. As the very wise James Flynn rightfully points out this summer really hinges most on Brands performance at his job. Fuck this up and I think we could be stuck here for long long while.

Danny O’Neill
183 Posted 29/05/2021 at 15:12:21
That's put me on the spot Tony and I was desperately trying to refrain from my "can I have Sabitzer" call!!!

Not sure I can compare him to anyone off hand. From what I've seen, he's a direct attacking player who can cut in from wide positions and has goals in him. He can also score from distance and has a blistering shot on him; either from set pieces or open play. He scored a fantastic one in front of me last February at Schalke. One of those those that as soon as it left the boot you knew it was in.

Not my assessment, but I have read comparisons to Beckham in terms of style.

Alan J Thompson
184 Posted 29/05/2021 at 15:32:32
So, if we are to play hard nosed business types should we be asking the Colombian FA to pay his wages, afterall, it was their coach who said that there was nothing wrong with him. More seriously, I would expect at least an apology.

Oh, and I want him to start at least half our games or as many as is possible as we don't appear to have anyone quite as good.

Eddie Dunn
185 Posted 29/05/2021 at 15:55:38
Tom @168- Kean may well have played ahead of Mbappe in that semi but Mbappe was injured and not risked. Kean had a fairly forgettable game.
Bobby Mallon
186 Posted 29/05/2021 at 16:14:49
Dave Abraham’s @68/9 great post best yet.
Kieran Kinsella
187 Posted 29/05/2021 at 16:17:58
Brian Williams

For some reason I couldn't imagine James walking down the street. He seems too "galatico" for that unless it was a boardwalk at Copacabana Beach. If anything, he'd be rolling along with his shades on in one of those electric Sinclair C5s or those weird little platforms hipsters roll about on

Brian Williams
188 Posted 29/05/2021 at 16:22:41
Kieran. I sort of meant if I bumped into him in the Wine Lodge. :-)
Bobby Mallon
190 Posted 29/05/2021 at 16:38:05
Look every fan on here knocking James ( me included) are not knocking his talent and what great presence he brings to our team. We are knocking the fact that like Sturridge from the other lot, he thinks his injuries are worse than they are and that he didn’t stay another couple of days till the season was over. He should have been at the Etihad watching his team mates, giving praise, shouting them on. He is a genius I know, but as Dave Abraham’s eluded to, he is not cost affective.
It’s ok people stating his stats but those goals he scored could have been scored by a player who played every game at number ten for a lot less money. I also blame Carlo for allowing him to leave, he should have made him stay.
Thomas Richards
191 Posted 29/05/2021 at 16:43:05
Casho,

Thanks for blanking me again. 😁😁

Tip.
There is a scroll button.
Wizz quickly by my posts if they annoy you.

You can scroll past John G's posts as well whoever he may be.

Not a clue what you are alluding to.

Barry Hesketh
192 Posted 29/05/2021 at 16:46:49
Bobby @190
I agree that most of the criticism that James has received on this thread relate to his perceived lack of respect for Everton, however, if as you declare
he thinks his injuries are worse than they arewhy was he so upset about being out of the Colombia squad?

I also think that Colombia and its governing body would take into account the possibility of James aggravating his injury or breaking down after ten minutes and thereby becoming liable for his wages due to him being 'injured' whilst on International duty.

Unfortunately for Everton, I think we may have seen the last of him in a blue shirt and he may well decide to retire from football altogether, which is fine so long as he doesn't string Ancelotti and Everton FC along next season before arriving at that decision.

Thomas Richards
193 Posted 29/05/2021 at 16:54:38
The anger towards James because he didnt go to the City game is uncalled for in my opinion.

What difference would it have made if he went to the game?
People angry because he took a photo of himself on a plane?
Welcome to modern day football

Rob Halligan
195 Posted 29/05/2021 at 16:58:43
I totally agree, Thomas. James could have booked a return trip to the moon for all I care. Let's have him fit and well for the start of next season.
Danny O’Neill
196 Posted 29/05/2021 at 17:00:57
Don't know about that Bobby. I don't know many players we have can play that pass into Richarlison on the half volley against Liverpool.

Other than, and I I know I open myself up here, but Sigurdsson like he did against Tottenham.

Right, I'm off to get my tin helmet for the inbound!

Bobby Mallon
197 Posted 29/05/2021 at 17:03:00
Barry 192 fair point
Mike Gaynes
198 Posted 29/05/2021 at 17:23:46
Barry #192, I see no chance, zero, that James will retire before the World Cup.

I'm absolutely convinced he'll be back with us next season, trying to play his way into top condition to return to his national side for Qatar. That has to be his dream, to play in a third WC for Colombia.

Then he'll retire.

Barry Williams
199 Posted 29/05/2021 at 17:25:01
Danny O’Neill - 177

Yes, a wide midfield player who lets the fullbacks overlap, so you have the best of both worlds. We don't seem to have that type of player in the squad. Steven and Sheedy were wide-midfielders not wingers after all. Kanchelskis was excellent in that role. I thought that's what Bilyaletdinov would have brought to Everton many millenniums ago now. I thought Iwobi too, but there you go! Shows you what I know! I still think there is a player in Iwobi as I thought he looked decent at right-wing back, and in his brief cameo as a number 10!

Kieran Kinsella
200 Posted 29/05/2021 at 17:44:09
Barry

Bilyaletdinov must have been the slowest player I've ever seen. I swear he'd come last if he was running freely against primary school kids in a sack race. But he left foot was a rocket

Pete Jeffries
201 Posted 29/05/2021 at 18:18:40
Football is a team game and James is not a one-man team. If so, we would win every game because, like it or not he is, or was, a top-class player

What none of us know is the extent of his calf injury and his chances of making a proper full recovery.

Instead of us all speculating on this matter, please step forward his doctor at our club to provide an official statement on this question. Then we can comment about his future with us or not.

Meanwhile, the jury's out.

Thomas Richards
202 Posted 29/05/2021 at 18:25:20
Some of them on here could get a start in the DSS snoop squad the way they are condemning a man of who they have no idea whatsoever the extent of his injury.

Back to work or your benefits are stopped!

Rob Halligan
203 Posted 29/05/2021 at 18:33:17
Come on now, Thomas, you know this site is full of experts covering everything from the financial running of the club to players injuries. If anything is quoted on here then it must be true!!

NOT!!!

Thomas Richards
204 Posted 29/05/2021 at 18:52:28
Its crazy Rob.
We have the best footballer we have had at the club for decades, playing through injury apparently, and all some fans can do is rip the back off him?


If he was 100% fit he would be nowhere near this mid table club.
We have got him, he is probably playing to 75% of his capability.
That 75% still makes him our most creative player. By a mile.

Brent Stephens
205 Posted 29/05/2021 at 19:03:43
Rob, you obviously count as a person qualified to talk about all things Everton as you “live in the City” - as somebody on here has condescendingly referred to it. God help us mere mortals who don’t “live in the City”. As we’re not allowed to pass comment on James, perhaps you can do it on our behalf! Or do you live too far out on the suburbs to be allowed to comment yourself?!
Tony Everan
206 Posted 29/05/2021 at 19:11:46
Rumour Mill is well and truly up and running. Southampton preparing a 14m bid for our Tom. He may be tempted by that to be a regular starter. Plenty of midfielders we really need to move on though and Tom’s not one of them.
Nicolas Piñon
207 Posted 29/05/2021 at 19:19:01
With this, More than ever now brands and ancelotti will be seeing that if we don’t get appropriate signings, their futures at the club won’t be lasting too long.
The awful truth I believe.
Jay Harris
208 Posted 29/05/2021 at 19:21:29
My only concern about the whole issue is James will be "convalescing" in Colombia not at FF where he should be.

There is no comparison with Seamus who is a star studded legend at GP and rightly so.

The Jury is still out on James after only playing a handul of games for us.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

209 Posted 29/05/2021 at 19:28:21
Hola Nicolas. ¿Cómo estás?

A very relevant question for you Nicolas. With the civil unrest in Colombia forcing the authorities to move all Copa America games due to be played in that country (as dual hosts with Argentina) to ONLY Argentina, is your country prepared for this?

Being South American based myself I keep abreast of regional news and - like Brazil - things are not going well with CV-19, as this report in the UK's Guardian makes clear.

Cancel Copa America NOW!

What is the mood and opinion of your fellow countrymen at this time, hosting this tournament when your own president says currently is 'the worst time of the pandemic for Argentina'?

Barry Williams
210 Posted 29/05/2021 at 19:28:38
Kieran Kinsella - 200

Which is why I think he should have played more centrally. I remember him scoring a pearler, I think I was working in Azerbaijan then, and thinking he was a bit wasted out wide.

Paul Birmingham
211 Posted 29/05/2021 at 21:04:56
We have to be grateful for having a player of a James talent, as we have no other player who can see the pass and finish like he can.

Until we get a player who can do the same or better then perhaps then is the time to discuss the merits of a players ability.

Let’s see what players we can get in preseason.

Derek Cowell
213 Posted 29/05/2021 at 22:36:50
What a great weekend! No EFC defeat and no shite EFC players getting slagged off for showing no fight, being cowards and having no bottle.

I look forward to next weekend being the same etc etc.

James? Great player when he wants to be.

Colin Glassar
214 Posted 29/05/2021 at 22:40:26
I’m detoxing on Everton right now, Derek. It’s nice not to dread weekends for a while. Come August I’ll be ready to suffer once again.
Paul Birmingham
215 Posted 29/05/2021 at 22:51:22
Colin, that's the doctor's orders mate, alas every preseason now for donkies years.

All have a good Bank Holiday.

Nicholas Ryan
217 Posted 30/05/2021 at 01:52:10
I have a little more sympathy for JAMES than most people, for 2 reasons:

1. There is a video somewhere on the internet of James arriving at the airport and getting out of a taxi. A young girl [his daughter] runs up and hugs him; the commentary says he hugs his daughter "who he hasn't seen for 9 months...".

2. I used to play a reasonable standard of cricket. One day, while running in to bowl, my calf went 'twang'. It recovered, but in each of the next 5 seasons, I missed several matches when the injury recurred. Eventually, I had to retire. It still 'goes' every so often [it went last Friday]. When it does it is excruciatingly painful. It is now 20 years since the original injury. The medical advice was 'rest it and hope it goes away'. I suspect, that James will have this injury, to some extent or other, for the rest of his life. Let's hope that modern medicine can keep him serviceable for a season or two.

Kieran Kinsella
218 Posted 30/05/2021 at 01:58:47
Nicholas

I saw that video too on Twitter. Interesting to hear your perspective on the injury. For sure let’s hope medicine has moved on since your unfortunate experience

Nicolas Piñon
219 Posted 30/05/2021 at 04:45:59
Hi Jay!
I’m pretty mentally tired about this lockdown here in Argentina really, and winter hasn’t even begun so I think it will last maybe two months more at minimum.

About your question, the mood about the pandemic is pretty bad and the truth is it really IS the worst moment pandemic-wise. Just the president (and some of his followers) wants the tournament to be played and there are lots of opposers who criticize him for that. They see it as a political move”. I personally would love it being held totally here to be near Richarlison and Allan (if they make the squad). Although stadiums will be empty, it’s kind of a distraction at least. Maybe my opinion is the one of a too fanatic person but well...

The government is a popular one and hasn’t given the amount of vaccines it promised and is loosing lots of credibility, so I’m flying to USA in august to get my vaccine (fingers crossed) so next year I can go to a “better” country for some time maybe. Because as a “young” person (I’m 35) and the tortoise rate at which vaccines are being given by the government It’ll be 2023 when my turn comes in the pecking order of age groups and bla bla...

The newspapers say the tournament will be held here but I haven’t seen an official confirmation so waiting to see what happens, as everyone.


Mike Gaynes
220 Posted 30/05/2021 at 06:54:47
Nicholas #217, thanks for some great information.
Danny O’Neill
221 Posted 30/05/2021 at 07:34:09
I literally feel your pain Nicholas Ryan.

The amount of football and physical abuse I put my body through over the years took its toll.

My ankles and knees frequently remind me of those injuries I ignored and played through with pain killers every time I go for a run. Oh, and the hamstring pokes me every now and again as does the right calf!!

And like you say, we often overlook the personal sacrifices a lot of players have to make in the modern, global game. From first hand experience, it's not pleasant being separated from your family for several months at a time several thousand miles away.

If we can get James on the pitch for half of the games next season and use him appropriately, as the player obviously has injury problems, I'll be happy with that.

Tony Abrahams
222 Posted 30/05/2021 at 07:53:50
If he hasn’t seen his daughter for 9 months, then it’s obvious he his only at Everton for the football. If the football isn’t going well then he’s going to be very frustrated, so getting omitted from the Columbia squad is probably going to leave Rodriguez with a lot of soul searching this summer now.

Is it worth it? Maybe playing in a lesser league might help him nurse his long term injury in a much better way, and might just prolong his international career, which seems to be of the upmost importance to South American footballers?

Steve Brown
223 Posted 30/05/2021 at 08:08:34
What James has experienced in not seeing his daughter for 9 months is the norm for anyone who works internationally. I haven’t seen my sons in the UK since December 2019. He will have adapted like we have all had to do.
Danny O’Neill
224 Posted 30/05/2021 at 08:23:23
Fair point Steve and I can relate to that with my own son now. I was talking in a historical context. I guess it's down to circumstance, life experience and the individual as well. When I was younger and the family where younger it was very difficult; heart wrenching, especially the night before departing. I spent 18 months of his first 2 years away and missed just about every childhood highlight moment you can think of. I still get reminded of that a lot by Mrs Danny!!!!

Now he's in his twenties and me in my forties (just clinging on!!), he's the one away but you adapt, as you say. The advent of the internet and social media does make it easier too, but even then, only because we're both older, wiser and more accepting.

Back to James, Tony makes a good point. I think we often get annoyed, but underestimate how important it is for South Americans to play for their country. Whether we like it or not, that seems to be their priority. We generally (well I do) come from a club first culture, so that is alien to a lot of us.

I hope he does the soul searching and sorts his head out in the summer and comes back strong to play for Everton next season. It's quite possible we have the manager who can help him do that as there seems to be mutual respect between the two of them?

Tony Everan
225 Posted 30/05/2021 at 08:27:26
With James’s recurring injuries any frustration should really be levelled not at the player, who obviously wants to be 100% fit, but the recruitment of him. Don’t players have to pass rigorous medicals ? Isn’t the recent injury history explored to the nth degree? We’ve glossed over the normal protocols because Carlo wanted James and the often injured James is a still a free hit for us because he is a marketing juggernaut.

We fully knew what we were getting, and it’s time that fans understood that.

1 James Rodriguez is a world class talent and a huge marketing asset to Everton.
2 We 100% can NOT build a team around him.
3 Use him intelligently for certain games and to inspire from the bench.
4 He needs to be used sparingly (see 3) to best maintain fitness , for him to enjoy his football and be happy to be here. We can’t get more out of him by using him less!
(ie he misses Burnley away then plays Liverpool at home rearing to go a few days later)
5 Get him involved to be passing on wisdom, inspire and teach some of our younger players.
6 We need to get positive about James Rodriguez.

Eddie Dunn
226 Posted 30/05/2021 at 15:54:09
Danny,

Regarding the 9 months not seeing his daughter (if true), I have worked overseas and have known Indian blokes who work for two years without seeing their wife and kids, knowing they are providing for them. They are earning a pittance compared to James & Co, as are all of the Phillipino welders and thousands of construction workers in the Gulf and elsewhere.

I can't have too much sympathy for a multi-millionaire with a Lear Jet.

Steve Croston
227 Posted 30/05/2021 at 16:11:21
As the song goes: "If you know your history..."

So, if you know your history, we don't have a very good record with seemingly world-class yet past-their-prime players (see Eto'o, Rodriguez, Drenthe).

If anyone is advocating that we pay him his £100k (maybe more) weekly wage to only play him in half our games, then you must be crazy! That is in effect paying him £200k a week!

We all know how it's going to end with him. I say we cut our losses and invest elsewhere.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

228 Posted 30/05/2021 at 23:47:53
Hi Nicolás. Just caught up with this thread so just seen your reply to my post.

'I’m pretty mentally tired about this lockdown here'.

Mano, trust me! I can TOTALLY relate to that from my Brazilian bunker!

How much can you 'thank' Bolsonaro and your neighbours Brazil for exporting its CV-19 variants to you, prolonging the suffering?

I hope you get vaccinated soon, even if it requires traveling outside Argentina to do so.

As for Copa America, how deeply frustrating for your football mad fans (and tourism and the economy) that it will be played out behind closed doors.

You should see Richarlison, but Allan isn't in the squad.

Keep safe and try to take pleasure from whatever you can Nicolás, even if that means watching the footy from home rather than in the stadium.

Mike Keating
229 Posted 30/05/2021 at 00:05:33
Thomas #202
When was the last time anyone you know on benefits successfully claimed travel expenses by private jet?
The man’s a millionaire FFS.
Jay Wood
[BRZ]

230 Posted 31/05/2021 at 03:09:43
Uff, Nicolás.

11 p.m. here in Brazil and it's just been announced at the end of the round up of today's Brazilian football that CONMEBOL has suspended the Copa America indefinitely due to the CV-19 situation in Argentina.

That is surely that for the tournament in 2021 I would think.

Danny O’Neill
231 Posted 31/05/2021 at 07:25:44
Eddie, with you and been there many times myself. I lose count of the birthdays, anniversaries and Christmases I wasn't there for.

I don't like the money argument though, as that insinuates that because you succeed and earn money because of that success, you're not allowed to miss your family or have it effect you.

I don't have money by the way!!

Regardless, I just think we have to take James for what he is and get the most out of him in the right games for the games he can play in.

Bobby Mallon
232 Posted 31/05/2021 at 08:37:04
Tony Everton 225. Your post completely changed my view. Brilliant post.
Tony Abrahams
233 Posted 31/05/2021 at 08:41:59
I think talking about the money is a very important issue though Danny.

The Indian fellas who selfishly provide for their families, must surely do so out of love?

Rodriguez doesn’t need the money, (I know he’s still getting it) so he must be doing it because he wants to succeed?

Maybe I’m wrong, it’s hard to look into any individual, especially someone that I don’t personally know, but that’s why I think Rodriguez has got a lot of soul-searching to do this summer.

If his body is going to continue to stop him playing at his optimum level, then England is probably the last place he needs to be playing football, such are the physical demands of the league?

Danny O’Neill
234 Posted 31/05/2021 at 09:00:59
Fair comments Tony. No right or wrong here.

We have an incredible talent at our disposal in James and at times he is a joy to watch on the football pitch.

But then to contradict that, he's not hit the heights he could have given the god given ability he has.

The reasons for that are only known to him, be they personal or physical.

I maintain, if he gives us 10 to 15 good games next season, I'll be happy. Especially if he makes another pass like that, which puts us on a winning footing at Anfield!

Back from walking the dogs and watching the news. Speedo Mick on the BBC national coverage. Epitomises Everton, our City and just human values.

Brent Stephens
235 Posted 31/05/2021 at 09:19:07
Tony #225 great post.

"We can’t get more out of him by using him less!" should read "can" not "can't"? Typo?

Tony Abrahams
236 Posted 31/05/2021 at 09:22:42
The other side of lockdown Danny, because it’s plain to see how much this has played with people’s mental health, and I personally know more people who have committed suicide than have died from Covid, during the last few months mate.

Good point about Rodriguez and his career Danny, and maybe it’s because he’s not a proper athlete, which is so important in modern day football ?

Danny O’Neill
237 Posted 31/05/2021 at 09:55:39
A subject very close to my heart and mind Tony. But that's one for another time, hopefully over that pint we will hopefully all get to enjoy next season!

The point on athleticism is probably a key point in why we don't see as much of James as we'd all like to.

Even my generation can cast their mind back and remember that players with ability used to get away with ability alone more than players do now.

I still maintain my stance on it not all being about physical pace and power alone. Speed of mind and decision making remain important aspects of a top level footballer's game, even in the modern game.

I don't mean to suggest previous generations of footballers weren't athletes in their own day, but yes, now, more than in comparison to previous generations, they have to be top level athletes as well as footballers.

Some (myself included) would argue its all relative to the time / generation, but now they totally have to be top level, elite athletes to perform at the highest level on a consistent basis. And consistency differentiates, both individually and as a team.

Final point, and this might be particularly relevant to James. Trying to do so and maintain that standard can, and probably does, break a lot of them physically.

Dave Abrahams
238 Posted 31/05/2021 at 10:48:22
Danny (237), Well Danny your favourite Everton player was Kevin Sheedy, not a bad choice, Kevin was brilliant with the ball but he also did his share of defending, just by coming back and marking his man and covering him into passing the ball, usually backwards. He wasn’t just there for attacking play, he played his part all over the field for ninety minutes in a tougher age for footballers, not protected by the referee and the non tackling that makes football poorer today but helps players like Rodriguez to a great extent.
Kevin Dyer
239 Posted 31/05/2021 at 10:55:54
#227 Steve, think you might be the only person who reckons Drenthe was "world class", seemingly or otherwise!

Zero chance we ship Rodriguez out, nor should we. When he plays he has match-winning ability, something the squad has very little of. There are so many players in the squad that contribute little, or nothing. So, no I don't see James as a problem, it's the other 10+ players we could all name that need shifting, not him.

Talk of his wages. Bernard is on approx. 120k pw and plays far less than Rodriguez. Delph is on maybe 100k pw and rarely plays. Iwobi and Gomes not much less and add little even when fit and playing. Removing James would be foolish in the extreme and just gives us one more big headache in terms of replacement.

Pete Jeffries
240 Posted 31/05/2021 at 11:28:59
Kevin

Google www.spotrac.com and you can see all the players wages - ensure you're sitting down first !!

Paul Burns
241 Posted 31/05/2021 at 11:35:41
No Everton player looks fit enough. God knows what they do in training. The total lack of energy and movement is alarming yet goes unnoticed by every manager since Moyes. They must be on a diet of pie and chips, 3 times a day.

We'll never be able to move on if we can't even get the basics right and we can't. I'm accusing the club right now of fielding unfit professional footballers and being amateurish at the top level of the English game. The fact that no one at Everton seems to have noticed tells you all you need to know of the quality of people running the club.

Kevin Dyer
242 Posted 31/05/2021 at 11:38:05
# 240 Pete, no doubt! Sadly, I got my wage estimates off Football Manager 2020! They look pretty accurate. Worse, the figures on there for our 2019 summer transfer window tot up to about £110m 🙄
Steve Brown
243 Posted 31/05/2021 at 11:57:21
Kevin, come on. Royston was world class party animal!
Pete Jeffries
244 Posted 31/05/2021 at 12:00:24
Danny #237,

I totally agree. Lots of players in the modern game are good athletes but can't control a speeding football for Toffee, eg, Iwobi. Others like James are not as fast but great on the ball.

It's the way of the modern game that prefers the former and I don't think a football was invented to be knocked around at such speed. You see it in every match, balls overhit that no human being could ever control – even Alex Young!!

Sadly for me, as an oldie, you can't turn back the clock – we're stuck with these tactics.

Dave Abrahams
245 Posted 31/05/2021 at 12:08:04
Steve (243), yes Drenthe lived the life he shouldn’t have led for a professional footballer, but as Tony Bellow, champion boxer, testified when training at Finch Farm for one of his fights, when Drenthe eventually turned up for training, he was the one who took the eye. I imagine if Drenthe had been picked for that semi final versus Liverpool, Moyes suspended him, there might have been a different result, Gueye who played instead was an embarrassment for the sixty two minutes he was on the field, Suarez scored the equaliser in the sixty first minute.
Thomas Richards
246 Posted 31/05/2021 at 12:11:55
Mad as a hatter, Drenthe... he could play though.

Another in a long line of talented footballers who had his priorities wrong.

Steve Carse
247 Posted 31/05/2021 at 12:17:22
I don't think Moyes had much choice -- wasn't it the case that Drenthe was late for the coach down to London?
Dave Abrahams
248 Posted 31/05/2021 at 12:27:20
Steve (247), no I don’t think Moyes had much choice being honest, it wasn’t just one misdemeanour Drenthe had committed, there were multiple cases of Drenthe not sticking to the rules that applied to all the players so Moyes didn’t have much option, but as Pienaar was unable to play, he had already played for Spurs in the cup that season, Moyes picked Gueye, who had scored in a league game just before that semi final, and the lad froze on the day.
Danny O’Neill
249 Posted 31/05/2021 at 13:17:27
Good comeback Dave and can't argue with much of that.

Just to the point that it was a different era and less athletic players could get away with it. The can't now. Unfortunately.

Sheedy, I can watch him all day. Especially that moment he seemed to slow the game down against Bayern Munich to play us in for the 3rd goal and the moment he stopped in front of the Norwich defence to lob them and put Adrian Heath in to score.

Forget his free kicks. His vision, ability on the ball and passing was a joy to watch. I'll be honest and I was probably too young at the time, but I never used to take much notice of his defending, at the time, so I'll take your word. And to be honest, for those all too brief years, we didn't really need to worry about defending too much!!

Sadly, and I'll go to confession after saying this, but I wonder if Sheedy would have played so much or been so successful in today's game based on the point Tony and then Pete made about athleticism in the game.

Drenthe. What a talent. What a waste.

Frank Wade
250 Posted 31/05/2021 at 13:32:10
Tony Everan #225. Perfectly describes the James Rodriguez situation.

I would add a No 7 to consider the number of times he is targeted by opposition players, who are well aware of his susceptibility to injuries. In the derby home game, he was aggressively 'challenged' by Van Dijk twice in the first 5 minutes, a definite case of 'get the man not the ball'.

I would also add a No 8 and ask is there any other Everton player with the combination of skill and vision to execute the control and pass to set up Richarlison for the 1st goal at Anfield.

He is a joy to watch and hopefully he can find a resolution soon. I had a similar recurring calf problem about 30 years back, in a cycle of attending doctor and physio, resting, recurring again for months. A friend suggested I drink more water in lead up to games, especially on hot days and hey presto. I wonder could it be that simple.

Robert Williams
251 Posted 31/05/2021 at 13:45:02
Funny how one word can change the direction of a thread eg Drenthe!

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