Fleetwood Town 0 - 1 Everton

Everton battled to their first win of the season in the Carabao Cup on Tuesday evening when Demarai Gray got the only goal of the game to defeat  Fleetwood.

As expected, Frank Lampard has named a side of fringe first-team players along with an outing for Reece Welch and three other Academy proteges on the bench but he was forced into a change before a ball had even been kicked in anger when Tom Davies picked up an injury in the warm-up:

Seamus Coleman led the Blues out for the first time this season, wearing their all-blue strip, and the hosts kicked off. Everton tried to play possession football but had trouble stringing their passes together. Welch got beaten rather easily and Garner needed stopping by Keane. 

Welch tried to pick out Gray with a ball over the top but just a little over-hit. Another long ball tried to get Rondon in but he was offside.  The passing improved but Onana's through-ball was loose; however, a McNeil shot won a corner but no real threat ensued. 

Everton tried to build their attack but the Fleetwood defensive press was determined and effective. Vinagre looked to cross for Rondon but the big man completely missed the cross, and Iwobi lashed the follow-up high and wide. 

Fleetwood attacked with pace and as the Blues stood firm, Patterson's tackle was spot on and he then got forward to set up McNeil for a shot but the forward just passed the ball behind instead of shooting on goal.

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Keane was easily robbed out on the right wing, and some good play led to a Fleetwood corner that Welch headed clear.  Welch again tried to reach Rondon but this time it dropped short and the home side mounted another attack. But good passing got the ball up to Rondon whose shot screwed wide. 

Onana felt he was fouled as the Fleetwood lads went in strongly for 50-50 balls but McNeil picked up a loose ball and Iwobi played in Gray to score. 

Fleetwood looked to respond, Hayes's shot easily picked up by Begovic.  Rooney was keen to make his mark down the right, giving Welch a good test. Geoff Garner was shown yellow for his clumsy tackle on Onana. Viangre's crossed forced another corner, taken by McNeil, that almost reached Rondon.

Shaun Rooney should have got more than a wagging finger for his off-the-ball body-check on Vinagre. McNeil tried to break forward but he was tackled by Earl, as Fleetwood used every tactic they could to thwart the Blues. Onana was strong on a Fleetwood player, causing Andrew to angrily push Onana and get a yellow card.

Hayes go forward and lashed a fine shot that Begovic was equal to. McAdam made a weaker shot that Begovic stopped before the half-time whistle. 

The game restarted but Patterson soon gave up a corner that needed defending. Vinagre had a well-worked chance to cross in which he eschewed. Vinagre saw yellow for a poor foul on Baker. Welch almost beat Begovic with his 'defensive' header from the free-kick and chaos ensued from the corner, before the ball was cleared.

In the face of overly aggressive play from the locals, Everon tried to play quality football, Gray making another chance but his shot was blocked. Fleetwood went down the other end to force a couple of corners. Onana was blocked painfully by Vela. But the attack fell apart. And Onana's loose passing did not help. 

But Patterson was gifted a chance to shoot and he did – straight at Stolarczyk.  Patterson was given another chance which he ballooned into the trees. Onana's cross-shot was deflected into the night sky as Everton played forward with more urgency, Vinagre's ball to Rondon was not easy to convert. 

Hayes drove at the Everton defence and fired low but Begovic saved well as Lampard made a double change just after the hour-mark. Onana went down again with what seemed at best an ankle tap. 

Rondon had a good run but Iwobi had to force a corner, Daemari Gray headed back for Onana whose header was deflected behind. Onan tried and failed with his bicycle kick and Rondon's shot was blocked behind.  Good pressure but nothing to show for it. Fleetwood were allowed o come forward and did their best and Hayes again tried to wriggle his way inside. 

Time for Stanley Mills to make his debut as Everton struggled to seal this tie.  Everton were getting some run of the ball but the moves were not coming off. 

Onana continued to get a lot of attention But Everton were making nothing of the free-kicks they were granted when Fleetwood's physical play was punished. 

Everton tried to keep the play in Fleetwood's half but could not get close enough for a decent chance. Baker was booked for cutting down Onana in full flight. 

And the Blues held on to that solitary Gray goal to go through.

Fleetwood Town: Stolarczyk, Rooney (65' Omochere), Baker [Y:90+1'], Earl, Andrew [Y:44'], Macadam (85' White), Sarpong-Wiredu (46' Vela), Johnston, Hayes (87' Glenfield), Joe Garner, Gerard Garner [Y:34'] (65' Batty).

Subs not Used: Lynch, Nsiala, Edwards, McMillan

Everton: Begovic, Coleman, Welch (64' Tarkowski), Keane, Vinagre [Y:49'], Patterson (64' Warrington),  Onana, McNeil, Rondon, Iwobi, Gray (75' Mills).

Subs not Used: Lonergan, Crellin, Holgate, Gordon, Mykolenko, Price.

Referee: Tom Reeves

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Iain Johnston
1 Posted 23/08/2022 at 18:55:23
Coleman, Welch & Keane in a back 3 with Patterson & Vinagre as wingbacks?

Hopefully we'll see Warrington, Mills & Price at some point this evening.

Neil Copeland
2 Posted 23/08/2022 at 18:58:44
Looks like the rumours are more than just that and Dele is off to Turkey I presume.

Interesting line-up with plenty of strength on the bench.

Hope we don't flounder in this one.

Tony Everan
3 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:02:01
It's a strong team. Great to see Reece Welch being selected, looking forward to see how he gets on and the other youngsters from the bench.

What's happening with Nkounkou? Injured or being sent back out on loan?

Jeff Armstrong
4 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:02:01
Decent line up tbh, think Frank is taking this seriously, which is good news.
Rob Dolby
5 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:11:58
Surprised Iwobi is starting, he has made himself first name on the team sheet. Surely Allan should have started?
Ray Robinson
6 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:19:31
No Gomes, Allan, Nkounkou, Dele, Gbamin. Not even on the bench. Even if they don’t go in the transfer window, that tells us a lot.
Jay Harris
7 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:23:08

I'm surprised at Allan's omission too. It seemed an ideal game for him to get more minutes.

Ciarán McGlone
8 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:25:02
A back 5... give me strength.
Kieran Kinsella
9 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:29:35
I wondered if he might give Welch a run-out as he's been training with the first team for some time. I've never seen him play but good luck to the lad.

That apart, I'm glad Iwobi is still there as our sole creative force. Chance for McNeil to play himself into form. But yeah says a lot about those not even on the bench.

Mike Corcoran
10 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:31:07
Looking forward to Onana from the off!
Brian Wilkinson
11 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:31:41
McNeil to outscore Rondon, you heard it here first. :-)
Will Mabon
12 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:33:54
Ciarán - have to be careful, Man. Teams like Fleetwood can be veeerry dangerous...
Keith Meakin
13 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:34:58
Ah the Calm before the Storm
Keith Meakin
14 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:39:26
Davi’s has just dropped out
Will Mabon
15 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:39:47
Keith, don't know which calm before which storm you're referring to but I still agree.
Keith Meakin
16 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:45:41
It's my calm, Will
Ted Donnelly
17 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:46:12
Where can we watch this one then fellas?
Will Mabon
18 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:51:20
Ted - have a look on Live Forum.
Christy Ring
19 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:52:59
Can we not get away from a back 5 even against a lower league team?

I also thought Frank said, Allan needs game time?

Dean Williams
20 Posted 23/08/2022 at 19:53:06
Ted 17. Go on hesgoal.com. Good coverage.
Colin Malone
21 Posted 23/08/2022 at 20:07:57
No Allan again. Good holding midfielders are like gold dust. Ask Thomas Tuchel when Kante never played for Chelsea against Leeds at the weekend.
Michael Lynch
22 Posted 23/08/2022 at 20:34:47
My main concern is injuries - Fleetwood are nasty fuckers. That Rooney is a complete psycho, the ref needs to get a grip.

Iwobi seems to be running the show, which is good to see, and Gray is very lively, I quite like Vinagre, but he got done a couple of times near the end of the half.

Neil Tyrrell
23 Posted 23/08/2022 at 20:36:27
Visiting Calgary and found an Irish pub with DAZN to watch the match.

Was it Fleetwood we played last year who had the big American right back? Can't remember his name but he might have been the best player on the park that day.

Ciarán McGlone
24 Posted 23/08/2022 at 20:42:55
More than a bit dull. No idea what position McNeil is playing but he's not very good.

On the positive side, Iwobi making that linking defence and offence role his own. Undroppable and with this daft 5-man system no real room for any other players we decide to buy.

No room for a Number 10 if we play with a Number 9. I really don't understand it. Daft.

Michael Lynch
25 Posted 23/08/2022 at 20:48:33
Ciarán, I hope Tuchel isn't watching this, cos Iwobi looks worth 100 million Chelsea pounds.
Graham Hammond
26 Posted 23/08/2022 at 20:49:45
Utterly idiotic of Frank to risk Alex Iwobi in this relatively meaningless fixture.

Staying in the Premier League has to be our priority and risking our best player tonight against yard dogs such as Rooney is stupid, we need Iwobi going forward to have any chance of staying up!

Oliver Molloy
27 Posted 23/08/2022 at 20:51:30
Just looking at Gordon on the bench and having a kick about like he hasn't got a care in the world. He seems to be very happy with a big smile almost permanent - like he has won the lotto!
Michael Lynch
28 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:13:09
Onana being kicked all over the place. Ref has no control.
Andy Crooks
29 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:16:08
Frank's adherence to a system we are not suited to and haven't the players for, will do for him. I really don't want that to happen but being stubborn has done for every manager we have had for a long time.
Dean Williams
30 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:20:37
This is painful to watch.
Simon Dalzell
31 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:22:32
Early days, but £20 million for McNeil looking like another example of big money for crap. He's so slow.
Simon Dalzell
32 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:36:54
Onana looks like he could be special. Ref should have protected him a lot more. Kicked to pieces. Very weak.
Ian Bennett
33 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:39:51
Found our level, 1-0 over Fleetwood.
Ted Donnelly
34 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:40:30
Rondon is just shit... McNeil is a poor man's Simon Davies. is Iwobi the only footballer on the books?..btw Che Adams got another brace!
Tony Hill
35 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:41:39
An average performance against a difficult, tough side. Iwobi had another good game, I like the look of Warrington. Onana will come through, I trust.

Next round thanks.

Tony Everan
36 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:42:15
It was a workout and a win. We need a striker fast.
Dave Abrahams
37 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:47:22
Very embarrassing watching that poor excuse of a game of football.
Lee Jackson
38 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:48:11
Thought Iwobi was our best player again tonight. Strange how things change.
Robert Tressell
39 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:50:40
Andy # 29, that's my concern exactly. I like Frank, I think he's got a lot of qualities and integrity - but the way he sets up the players will be his downfall if he's not careful. The saving grace might be a few new players who make it work before the window closes. Hope that's how it plays out.
Pat Kelly
40 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:53:08
Do we still have time to sell McNeil?
Ciarán McGlone
41 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:54:05
I don't know if it's fear, gross stupidity, arrogance or a complete lack of tactical creativity... but this insistence on 5 at the back is insane and will be his undoing.

People often ask.. why change managers? Because we've yet to find a single manager who learns from their mistakes... its a simple and straightforward process, yet football managers appear to be incapable of it.

Jack Convery
42 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:54:39
I'm assuming McNeill was not a Frank pick, as he has played him out of position each time he's picked him. He can only play Left Midfield. He is totally left footed and playing him on the right gives him no space to play. For me its got BK written all over it. Burnley chairman says you can't afford Cornet but you can have Dwight on easy terms for £20m. Wow says Bill, yes please !!!

Iwobi man of the match.

Tom Bowers
43 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:54:51
Pretty much the expected result and performance from a mixed team selection.
Rondon battled hard but is clearly not our answer to the strikers role but Iwobi was tremendous.

Good to see some youngsters get a run out and overall a decent result against a spirited Fleetwood who were not afraid to put the boot in (so to speak ) and Onana got a lot of stick.

Obviously a tough one coming up on Saturday followed by the ''new'' Leeds. Still a big problem without that ''go to'' forward and getting 3 points in any game will be tough for quite a while.

Kieran Kinsella
44 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:54:56
What happened to all those experts who were waxing lyrical about Rondon pre-season saying he looked leaner than veal, sharper than a knife, slicker than an oil spill, faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than an ox, more dangerous than a weekend on the island in the Hebrides covered in anthrax? I think they were mistaken.
Terry Farrell
45 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:55:20
Wobes was superb Warrington very competent and wants the ball constantly onana promising.mcneil poor on the ball today and the 2x fleetwood cbs will not have an easier game all season.i don't want even one more webber saying give SR a chance. He is shot finished poor as ut gets!
Will Mabon
46 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:57:49
Have to agree, Ciarán. No excuse for such negativity tonight, we should have pulled that team all over the pitch from a back four. To see this set-up in this kind of game just reinforces the belief that it's here to stay in every game. It will end badly in the long haul, I fear.
Tony Hill
47 Posted 23/08/2022 at 21:59:02
Rondon is not the solution but nor is he the problem.
Brian Murray
48 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:00:32
We still don’t know if Simms is the answer even short term but it’s still a career defining call letting him go before a replacement is in for franks future. Let’s hope these in just over a week is enough for him although if the fifth game comes and goes without a win it maybe too much for the owner.
Ian Edwards
49 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:00:42
We got through.. just. On to Brentford. I can't see a forward being signed. Lampard has already said he knows DCL will be back soon and has to weigh that against the cost of a signing and the signing's expectations. I read that as meaning he aint going to spend on a big signing who wom't be happy to sit on the bench.

We need to play 2 up top. An isolated forward with wide men distant on either side doesn't work.

Eddie Dunn
50 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:00:55
Ciaran, spot-on mate...it's fuckin groundhog day with Frank.
Neil Tyrrell
51 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:01:08
We're in the hat for the next round, job done. Let's not draw City away eh? Think we'd better try to get used to the 5 at the back/wingbacks thing, no point in changing it today if that's the way Frank wants to play.

If you told me a year or 2 ago that Iwobi would be our best outfield player I'd have been calling for a white padded van, but here we are. Here's hoping for some serious incoming this week

Mike Allison
52 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:02:01
Can’t stand 5 at the back.
Kieran Kinsella
53 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:03:08

I am assuming McNeill was a Kenwright/Mosh deal. "Oh you're going to sue us because we broke FFP? Ok how about we just give you 20 million for a useless player?" It worked with Watford where Brands publicly said we paid a premium for Richarlison to settle the Silva tapping up case.

Terry Farrell
54 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:03:44
Tony hes on 60k a week for another season and he is a problem because he cannot do 1 thing a CF needs to do. He doesn't press the defence he doesn't lead the line he doesn't win headers he doesn't link play he doesn't hold the ball up and he can't score. He has no quality. Did I miss something out there Tony? His warhorse days are long gone. Niasse was a revelation in comparison!
Kieran Byrne
55 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:05:42
Neil #23 I live inEdmonton a couple of hours north of Calgary, hope your enjoying Alberta!
Make sure you get to visit Banff & Canmore, the Rocky Mountains are fantastic!!
Have fun & enjoy the trip!
Tommy Carter
56 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:05:51
What’s the issue with Dwight McNeil?

Had this move been too big for him? He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights. His performances appear paralysed by shock or something similar.

Is he carrying a knock or a hernia or something?

I’ve never seen him really have a bad game for Burnley. Albeit I never watched all of their games. But when I did watch them, he always seemed to play ok. Always involved in anything pod they did.

Tony Hill
57 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:08:28
As I say, Terry, he is not the problem at all. He was poor tonight in a barely adequate team performance with little coherent attacking play. But do concentrate on him by all means because it's that sort of astute analysis which will see us right.
Jerome Shields
58 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:13:33
Did not see the game, was otherwise engaged. Looks like a missed a pretty poor game and a not much better Everton performance. The score was a surprise expected Everton to get aleast three. Really shows the standard of forward play. I don't think Frank has much ambition regarding the League Cup.

In his younger days Robson played for Newcastle , he rarely scored there either. London's role is to hold the line maintaining the teams shape creating space for midfield and wingers.

McNeill is really unaccustomed to playing in Frank's system. Maybe when he is accustomed to it and new players settle in he might also settle in. himself.

Dave Lynch
59 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:19:02
So McNeil is the new whipping boy after 5 minutes at the club.
Iwobi is the new messiah after being the whipping boy for a couple of seasons.
Give your fucking heads a wobble will you, let the lad settle in and judge him after that.
Christ on a Bike...
Tony Hill
60 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:23:17
You can see the lack of confidence affecting McNeil in everything he does at the moment. Lord knows where that fear has come from after such a good performance pre-season. Let's hope he can find some clarity and calmness.
Kieran Kinsella
61 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:23:25
Dave Lynch,

"So McNeil is the new whipping boy after 5 minutes at the club.
Iwobi is the new messiah after being the whipping boy for a couple of seasons."

In fairness there's not much of a differential between the two things. What was the old Barry Rathbone scale metrics? Useless is the median, not quite as useless is in the top 25 percentile?

Joe Digney
62 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:24:30
Iwobi motm, was immense.

Warrington added composure to midfield when he came on, looks a tidy player.

Not sure where the goals are gonna come from.

Into the next round is all that matters I suppose.

Oh and fleetwood we’re a gang of thugs blatantly kicking the shit out of onana.

Kieran Byrne
63 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:25:00
It’s going to take time for Lampard to change the way we play, we’ve played scared & afraid to be positive with the ball.
The change won’t happen overnight, we need to be patient but at the same time we need to be playing at a level where we’re picking up wins as well as showing what is possible with better players.
The midfield is starting to come now, Iowbi is now the 30 mill signing we hoped he would be, Onana is going to be good, he’s raw but you can see it, Hoping McNeil is just settling in & will show more as the confidence/understanding grows.
The team especially if we get the right 2-3 players in will come good & the only screw ups I can see are the same old same old, at board level, I read somewhere that we’re 80 mill behind on ffp, please let that be a rumour & not fact !!
With Evertons board nothing surprises me anymore, I abhor that Chairman & wish that the fans would protest & demand resignations from the whole lot, even with 10% of the passion shown by the crowds last year it might be enough to finally get some change.

Sean Kelly
64 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:25:11
What's with Frank staying with five at the back against Fleetwood? That shows the level of belief and trust he has in this squad.

Himself and the club are also stalling on getting a striker or two in. Frank believes DCL will be back soon but how confident can we be that he will stay fit.

No Premier League club should limit themselves to one injury-prone striker. Get a striker in Frank and grow a pair and ditch that five at the back. It will see you out the door sooner than you think otherwise.

Frank Knight
65 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:25:29
Good advice Dave
Terry Farrell
66 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:25:49
Tony I am not a player basher by any means and never boo our players at a game. Rindon is something else! He has not had one decent game since he came to the club well over a year ago. You keep waiting and hoping but he ain't coming good anytime soon. We need another forward tomorrow! Why do you think Frank's been playing Gordon there instead? Tonight should have been a pick me up for him against lesser opposition but they made him look like what he is. Tony at this level of football I've never seen anything like it I swear. I saw him live at Norwich away and couldn't belive what I was watching. We are playing with 10 men mate.
Lev Vellene
67 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:27:38
Well, we won! Now let us melt-down at whatever else we might find out there! :P
Tony Hill
68 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:28:10
Ok Terry. He's not going to go down as a legend. I give you that.
Terry Farrell
69 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:30:43
Ok Tony ill leave it there mate 😁
Ant Sorvoja
70 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:38:02
Kieran. That’s funny and it plots more like TW Standard Metrics.

In fairness there's not much of a differential between the two things. What was the old Barry Rathbone scale metrics? Useless is the median, not quite as useless is in the top 25 percentile.

Tony Hill
72 Posted 23/08/2022 at 22:59:03
An interesting stat I've just spotted that only Ndidi has won more possession in the midfield third than Iwobi in the Premier League this season.

Only 3 games obviously, but I'm surprised by that -although he does seem to be developing a knack of anticipating and getting his foot in.

Rob Dolby
73 Posted 23/08/2022 at 23:00:02
Iwobi motm again.

The game wasn't great. Standard fare from this current team. Would Cannon have played any worse than Rondon?

Onana took a bit of stick but will be stronger for it. Warrington looked handy. We need to keep Gray fit as he looks like our most dangerous player.

We need more guile up top.

Roll on Saturday.

Steavey Buckley
74 Posted 23/08/2022 at 23:05:30
It's a waste of time of Everton trying to play attacking football against any team when Everton are lacking in goal scorers. So, unfortunately, there is no point discussing the rest of the team's performances when they haven't got goal scorers to give their final pass or cross to.
Colin Malone
75 Posted 23/08/2022 at 23:24:03
One of those scruffy games against a lower league side. Only positive for me was Warrington's positional play.
Bill Watson
76 Posted 24/08/2022 at 00:47:28
A very poor game that really laid bare just how thin our squad is.

The only plus was that I got a free pasty when I bought a cuppa, 20 mins from the end!

Jay Harris
77 Posted 24/08/2022 at 01:15:31
I thought we looked ok playing with 9 men. I don't need to say who the 2 passengers were.

That Hayes for Fleetwood was head and shoulders above McNeil. As we've previously observed, our scouting system is non-existent.

Thought that dog Rooney shouldn't have been on the pitch after the stunts he was pulling and we had nobody to put him in his place.

Mike Gaynes
78 Posted 24/08/2022 at 01:31:04
I think Onana could be a dominant player in a year. His physical gifts are amazing -- so quick for a kid his size -- and he's got a great first touch. The scouting reports I read said he was a weak passer, and so he is, but he will learn.

What I like most is that he was fouled 10 times in this game and powered right through, and dished out some good thumps as well. He's brave and motivated, two factors that will carry him.

He'll drive us crazy with errors on the ball and an occasional red card, but give him 30-40 games and I believe our patience with him will be richly rewarded.

The other kids impressed me as well. Warrington on the ball simply makes me smile every time -- he's so poised, so calm in picking his passes -- and Welch is just a massive unit with an obvious aggressive streak. Mills didn't get much of a chance today but I'd love to see him start in the next round.

Kieran Kinsella
79 Posted 24/08/2022 at 01:40:29

With Davies injured, it'll be interesting to see if Warrington or Mills get game time.

I don't know if Allan and Gbamin are injured again, or unwanted but if they're out of the frame for one reason or another then for a game or two at least it looks like Warrington and Mills vying with Onana for a spot.

Dupont Koo
80 Posted 24/08/2022 at 02:22:40
Welch looked nervous but this is the growing pain that have to be gone through for youngsters.

Patterson continues his encouraging form so far!

So glad to see that Warrington and Mills got their debuts too!

Mission accomplished by giving debuts to youngsters, minutes to squad players and progress to the next round.

Michael Lynch
81 Posted 24/08/2022 at 07:32:14
Mike @78 exactly my thoughts about Onana.

At first all I saw was his wayward passing and, having bigger him up on here, I was disappointed. But the rest of his game was exciting and I loved the way he dealt with getting kicked all over the place by a bunch of lower league cloggers.

Warrington is the opposite in a way, very low key, neat and tidy, and his passing looks good.

Definitely two things at least to give us some optimism in these trying times.

Though of course our best new player by some margin is Iwobi.

Dave Abrahams
82 Posted 24/08/2022 at 07:33:23
I‘m expecting at least three new players and the quicker they come the better.

If they don't come, last night showed the utterly dire position this club is in.

Off now to forget all about football for the next few days... hope our prospects improve in that time.

Danny O’Neill
83 Posted 24/08/2022 at 07:36:58
Demarai Gra,y Ole.

I didn't get to watch, so can't comment.

Ian @49, hope you're wrong about the striker. I agree, we're not going to spend big on a backup, but surely we need a backup to Calvert-Lewin. I'd only go with 2 up front if Frank insists on 3 at the back, but it should be a 3-5-2 in my opinion. The 3-4-3 scares the shit out of me.

On Allan, I think unfortunately he's gone but I do hope we have a replacement lined up. I usually overthink these things, but when I look back, I think you could see it in his body language in the footage after the Palace game.

I don't doubt him or his commitment on the field and appreciate injury prevented him last season. He genuinely looked pleased at the end. But watch closely when Lampard is giving his speech and bringing Seamus and Richarlison up with the squad all watching and joining in the relief celebrations, Allan is on his mobile phone. Disconnected.

Anyway, I'm probably over-analysing. We're in the hat and one step closer to the twin towers... Okay, showing my age, one step closer to the arch. Job done. That's what it's about in the early rounds of cup football.

Marching. Tell me Ma.

Sam Hoare
84 Posted 24/08/2022 at 08:14:14
Plenty of teams use wingbacks to good effect, I'm not sure the system itself is the problem but at the moment we're not getting enough out of it. I thought we do at least look more solid and I never thought we looked much like conceding last night so that's something.

McNeil was disappointing again (I know he can do better). Welch was decent, Vinagre was interesting, Iwobi was immense again (all those desperate to run him out the club, take note), Warrington looked very assured and there were some exciting flashes from Onana including a surge near the end when he won the ball and then glided past 3 of their players before being fouled for about the tenth time.

Put a solid focal point, Gana Gueye, and a goalscoring winger into this team and it should be okay.

Games like this are often tricky and we made lots of changes and won it without looking too much worry. Clearly work to be done but we'll have worse nights!

Derek Knox
85 Posted 24/08/2022 at 08:38:52
Watched via Bein Sport and whilst pleased with the result (albeit a narrow win), and our passing was better, it exposed how toothless we are up front. Rondon ran like a headless chicken but either too late or too slow to make anything count.

Fleetwood made a good account of themselves and hadn't lost a game this season up to last night, they should do well if that continues for the rest of the season.

I know it's early days but I was extolling the virtues of Dwight McNeil after I witnessed his debut against Dynamo Kyiv (second half), but disappointingly he hasn't reproduced anything like since. Still, I am reluctant to totally put it down as another waste of much-needed cash in other departments, till he is continually failing to deliver.

We desperately need reinforcements up front, and with time decidedly running down, considering we have been linked with so many, some genuine, others just pure journo speculation, but not one has materialised.

I suspect the man we all love to hate has had his fat greasy fingers in every negotiation and royally fucked it up as per usual. If he was such a good Evertonian as he proclaims to be, he would commit hari-kari, jump under a (fast moving) bus or train, or into the Mersey on an outgoing tide, then we could progress and rid ourselves of his long overstayed presence and interfering ineffectual involvement.

In other words... Fuck Off, Bill!

Allan Board
86 Posted 24/08/2022 at 09:00:58
A win is a win! Now 5 at the back – causing much ire and anxiety on TW – Frank is setting up like this because of our atrocious defending over the last 6 years or so and they are trying to eradicate the mistakes first.

Being defensively sound is the starting point for any decent team – ever. I wouldn't expect too much this season, except for Everton being difficult to beat, but a little lacking in goals.

Let's just support the team and a set of coaches who at last have a plan and have started organising the team. It will be much better in 12 months time – patience and holding one's nerve for now.

Peter Mills
87 Posted 24/08/2022 at 09:06:11
We scored a neat goal from a Fleetwood mistake, and played reasonably competently to go through to the next round. I was half expecting a late equaliser and then for the match to be decided on penalties but, to be fair, our defence did its job.

On a side note, a pal contacted me yesterday to tell me he had found 40-50 match programmes from the 70s and 80s (including the 85 and 86 FA Cup finals, although they hold no fond memories). He would like them to go to someone who will appreciate them. If there is anyone out there who would like them (free, to be collected from Crosby/Formby) please drop me an email at peter@twomillsland.co.uk.

Dale Rose
88 Posted 24/08/2022 at 10:49:04
It was a competent performance. Thought the youngsters were good once they settled. Respect to Fleetwood for the way they played. One of those difficult games.
Andy Meighan
89 Posted 24/08/2022 at 11:38:47
Dave 82. I'd like to forget about it for the next few days myself. But unfortunately I can't switch off. I thought as I got older( I'm 63) I'd mellow out a lot as regards all things Everton. But they occupy my thoughts 24/7. That said I work in a building that's got a lot of match going blues in it, mainly young lads and they all want to speak about the sorry state of our club. Its them young lads I feel for, home and away and for what. At least the likes of us and a few others on here have seen title winning sides cup wins etc. My heart bleeds for them it really does.
Michael Kenrick
90 Posted 24/08/2022 at 13:57:27
The Everton Match Centre gave us the story that Davies was injured in the warm-up and Gray took his place in the starting line-up, adding: "Billy Crellin takes Gray's place among the substitutes." Confirmed in the Echo.

But that's not what they show in the Line-Ups section, with Davies a straight swap for Grey on the subs bench. That's what all the other sources I have looked at all show, except the Mail, which goes with the Crellin story.

Every source that lists shirt numbers shows Davies among the subs. That's what I'm really after, his shirt number. Ah... finally. TransferMarkt have Billy Crellin as #27 – last worn by Moise Kean.

Brian Wilkinson
91 Posted 24/08/2022 at 13:58:22
You would not get a bricklayer to fix a burst pipe, you would make sure you got a plumber in to do the job.

At the moment, playing a false number nine is the equivalent of just that.

If we want the job doing, we have to try and bring in a reliable person, that being a centre-forward, who knows his trade.

From what I have seen so far, Rondon is neither a bricklayer nor a plumber. The commentator kept saying Rondon is feeding off scraps, any centre-forward worth his weight would make those runs, get into positions where we can supply passes to them, but Rondon, apart from the odd knock down is not getting into those positions.

At the moment the rest of the team simply have no-one there for the end product.

When Sheedy played, he did not even have to look where a player was, he would float the ball into the box, expecting our forwards to be aware and make that run, more often than not, Sharp or Gray would run into that space and bury it.

Rondon is simply not giving them options to whip a ball in.

There was 10 minutes on the clock and Rondon was sweating like a pig, yet I never saw how or why.

I just do not know how many more games we can go, without at least another centre forward or two.

We had other chances and played well enough to pick up more than just one point against Chelsea, Villa and Forest, it is killing us not having a striker in, absolutely disgraceful that 4 league and cup games in, we still persist on banking on Rondon coming good, and Calvert-Lewin returning and staying fit, until the end of the season.

We need the centre-forward problem fixing and fast.

Phillip Warrington
92 Posted 24/08/2022 at 14:33:08
Moshiri says judge them at the end of the transfer window, well so far we're about to get rid of our two best players and not anyone close to those two have come in. Chelsea will wait till the last hour of the transfer window, we won't have any time to spend the money.

The last manager was berated for getting rid of our other decent player (the French guy). So what do you say to the manager who under him we have lost probably two of our best players? Under Frank's so-called 'player pull'… under him, he has brought in 7 players and most of them weren't getting game time. And they play like that.

If we were still in Covid restrictions, we would have been relegated. It was the fans that got them over the line due to the atmosphere you guys created. Not any genius tactical change by Frank, if he was in charge of any of the Top 15 clubs he would have been sacked.

Everyone seems to think he's the best thing since sliced bread but how good is he really? Going by stats, it doesn't look good for him.

Ray Smith
93 Posted 24/08/2022 at 15:18:41
Can someone explain to me why Kevin Thelwell was at Fleetwood sitting next to Sharpy last night?

Raymond Fox
94 Posted 24/08/2022 at 15:24:43
Yeah, sack the manager again that will do the trick. Its worked every time hasn't it.
Tony Heron
95 Posted 24/08/2022 at 15:43:57
Derek Knox @85. What vile comments to wish anyone ill at any time, but especially now as the City tries to come to terms with the awful events of Monday evening. Football is only a game.
Mike Gaynes
96 Posted 24/08/2022 at 15:53:12
What happened Monday night, Tony?
Jay Harris
97 Posted 24/08/2022 at 16:08:39
Mike, as an adopted scouser, I hope that was tongue-in-cheek.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
98 Posted 24/08/2022 at 17:08:13

Joseph Nee was out on licence from a 45-month jail sentence, being chased down the street by a guy with a gun. Current info is gun fired, mum opens the door to see what is going on, Nee runs into the house, followed by gunman. Gunman shoots, hits the mum in the hand as she tried to close the door and 9-year-old Olivia standing behind her is hit in the chest by the bullet and died in hospital. Nee shot twice, collected by "associates" and taken to hospital and re-arrested for breaking licence conditions.
Police still searching for the gunman.

Not scoring points here, but 9-year-olds getting shot is major news in this state (country). Actually, guys running down streets firing guns is also pretty major news.

Mike Gaynes
99 Posted 24/08/2022 at 17:25:31
Phil, I wish with all my heart it was big news in my country as well.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
100 Posted 24/08/2022 at 17:38:30
Wonderful comment ,Mike.

To make it more poignant, Monday was the 15th anniversary of the murder of Rhys Jones, an 11-year-old fanatical Evertonian who was in the firing line on his way home from football practice. 😢

Tony Heron
101 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:38:53
Derek Knox @85.

What vile comments to wish anyone ill at any time, but especially now as the City tries to come to terms with the awful events of Monday evening. Football is only a game

Will Mabon
102 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:46:53
Tony, Derek's comments may be a little industrial, but your linking of them to the horrible and totally unrelated events is ridiculous.
Brian Williams
103 Posted 24/08/2022 at 18:56:47
Behave yourself, Tony Heron. Derek's comments have nohing at all to do with what you refer to.

Find a different way to be offended, appalled and whatever else you're feeling but to call out Derek is, as Will says, ridiculous!

Tony Heron
104 Posted 25/08/2022 at 07:47:00
So "calling out" someone, as you put it, for wishing someone dead is "ridiculous"!! And that's okay because you don't like Kenwright's perceived involvement with transfers and that's not "ridiculous" or in any way offensive?

I made my comment because frankly I'm shocked that anyone could harbour such thoughts when everyone is feeling so sad and upset at the moment, or indeed at anytime.

I've enjoyed reading TW over the years, the banter, the arguments, the laughs (& tears), but now that it's come to this, I'm done. Bye all.

Danny O’Neill
105 Posted 25/08/2022 at 11:54:55
"I'm absolutely buzzing because I've been a Blue my whole life and if I wasn't playing, I'd have been in the away end tonight – so it's a surreal moment for me and my family.

"It's been a long journey but an enjoyable one.

"I couldn't have done it at a better club and, obviously, I support the Club so it's made it that much more special"

Lewis Warrington. I hope we see more of him.

Rich Howlin
106 Posted 27/08/2022 at 17:15:39
After the 80th minute Everton looked tired (fitness?) and it was obvious a Brentford goal was going to happen. I cannot understand why Frank did not break the momentum and bring in some new blood.
Brentford earned the point.

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