Everton 0 - 0 Liverpool

Everton take on local rivals Liverpool in the first Merseyside derby of the season, and the first game since the closure of this summer's transfer window. 

All eyes will be on Frank Lampard's selection and how he will set out the side now that he has greater control over the type and character of player wearing the Royal Blue shirt of Everton FC in this always fractious and hopefully competitive fixture.

Neal Maupay is the only change, making his Everton debut in place of Dwight McNeil, who is on the bench with Idrissa Gana Gueye. No sign of James Garner in the squad but Tom Davies keeps his place in midfield while Stanley Mills, the only current Academy player, is also among the subs. 

Liverpool kicked off... straight into touch. But they eventually won the first corner, Tsimikas's shot needed blocking away. Everton conceded possession, allowing Liverpool to come at them, the defended balls not getting to the half-way line until Maupay finally crossed the rubicon after fully 5 minutes of allowing Liverpool to build attack after attack. 

Fabinho fouled Gordon and the ball was launched by Coady then whipped in from Gray but well ahead of Maupay. But a much better attack should have seen the Blues ahead, Maupay's shot more of a cross too far ahead of Gordon. Davies winded Fabinho in the attack.

Diaz swung his arm at Patterson on the back, attracting attention from Mr Taylor as Liverpool kept coming onto the Everton defence, who struggled still to play the ball out while retaining possession. Maupay and Gordon tried more of a high press but it was half-hearted at best as Everton resorted to more long balls which were not all that successful. 

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Gray advanced down the right, cut inside and gave the ball away, leading to a Liverpool attack in which Arnold rescued a lost ball for a dangerous cross that Diaz could have scored from. Meanwhile Gray again took one touch too many and another Everton attack was dissipated.

Everton won their first corner that Gray delivered low and it came out to Gordon who fired in a good strong shot goalwards that Allison had covered all the way. Gordon appeared to be fouled but Liverpool got away with it. Gordon made a couple of niggly fouls and, from the second free kick, Diaz came close but Pickford was covering.

A more determined attack saw Davies hit the post when it seemed easier to score after better work by Gray who had switched sides with Gray.

Liverpool mounted another and Onana was late with his tackle on Carvalho, drawing the first yellow card. From the free-kick, Onana got in a great defensive header, and Diaz then headed over. Everton were defending well enough but were struggling in the transition to attack, all too often gifting the ball back to Liverpool with poor play. 

A long ball picked out Nunez, who forced a tremendous save from Pickford, his fingertip touch onto the bar and from the follow-up, Diaz drilled the ball into the top of the post and it flew back across goal, bouncing a foot in front of the other post and out of play.

Gordon tried and failed to beat Gomez. Maupay was fouled but the ball in was poor. Maupay could not beat Arnold and Gordon could not beat Nunez as Everton's attack stalled. Even steven at the break, Liverpool with perhaps the better chances but, with better play in the opposition penalty area, Everton could easily be ahead. Maupay has shown desire but not enough guile. 

The second half began with Liverpool attacking and again they came very close to scoring, Pickford getting a vital touch to deny 

At the other end, the attempt to play in Maupay was all wrong as he could only try an acrobatic kick with the high ball that sailed over.  Liverpool came on again, Davies forced to block behind for the corner that was defended away. Nuez was gifted a ball from Coady ttthat he smacked at Pickford. 

Liverpool now really sensed weakness in Everton's resolve, 10 minutes into the second half, Coady this time forced to concede. Maupay tried to play out but overhit his dribble, and back came Liverpool. Iwobi tried a desperate lob from a distance that was way off target. Liverpool came again and Onana had to be alert to thwart their advances and force a goal-kick. 

Patterson played a daft backpass out for another corner that Van Dijk headed well over. B

Finally some better football from Eccverton, Gordon forcing a corner, but Gray totally wastes it with an over-hit corner

A great Everton move, Gordon driving in and Patterson firing a great shot deflected behind off Van Dijk

But Liverpool went right up the other end and Firminho forced another vital touch by Firnminho. Two more tremendous trikes and two more great saves from Pickford. Gueye came on to replace Davies.

But this led to a tremendous break for Everton and Maupay really showed how poor he was as he failed to score from an open setup created by Gordon. 

Onana did well to defend for another Liverpool corner but Everton broke again through Gordon but he and Maupay were not smart enough to evade the backtracking Liverpool defenders. But from the corner, Coady was sneaking lineward at the far post and smacked it home. However, it was very close to offside, which is what the VAR decided in favour of Liverpool. 

The game restarted after a long break, chaotic challenges across the pitch making it quite challenging for Taylor to referee. A more deliberate Blue move forced another Everton corner but it was taken short and lost.  Onana was caught by Van Dijk, a very nasty one on the top of his foot yellow card, but of course no VAR chose not to look at it for dangerous play. 

After Onana was treated, Tarkowski forced another Everton corner, better this time from Gray but headed clear. 

Everton put together a more controlled attack that saw McNeil launch a great shot that was deflected up in the air and Allison tipped over. Mykolenko did his trick again of taking his eye off a ball passed to him on the touchline, and from that error, Firminho forced another superb save by Pickford. 

Patterson was called into action again with some excellent determined defending to force a goal-kick. Everton broke but all Gray could do is shoot straight at Allison.  Liverpool attacked again going into 6 minutes of added time. but this time it was cleared, they came back again however, Tarkowski making a good block to stop Salah. 

Liverpool surged forward again and this time Pickford touches Salah's shot onto the base of the post, another brilliant save, then a yellow card for wasting time, Taylor adding on another 40 seconds before he finally blew. Very disappointing in terms of Everton's continuing lack of firepower. 

Everton: Pickford [Y:90+6'], Patterson, Coady, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Onana [Y:38'], Davies (61' Gueye), Iwobi, Gordon (82' McNeil), Gray, Maupay.

Subs not Used: Begovic, Keane, Allan, Coleman, Vinagre, Rondon, Mills.

Liverpool: Alisson, Alexander-Arnold (59' Milner), Gomez, Van Dijk [Y:77'], Tsimikas (59'Robertson), Elliott, (80' Matip) Fabinho [Y:90+1'], Carvalho (46' Firmino), Salah, Nunez (80' Jota), Diaz.

Subs not Used: Adrian, Arthur, Bajcetic, Phillips.

Referee: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Darren England

Attendance: 39,240

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Brian Hennessy
1 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:24:11
Maupay starts!
Nick Page
2 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:32:12
4-3-3 — Maupay in. Davies starts….
Jeff Armstrong
3 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:33:49
Ah well Maupay starts, would rather have Gueye for Davies even if he’s not 100% fit.
Jim Bennings
4 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:38:43
ToffeeWeb forum is shit now lads, don't know what you've changed on the format but it's slow as our midfield.


Send Turkey Teeth home with his beak pointing down!!

Robert Tressell
5 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:39:21
Good balanced line up for us. Weird midfield for them. Time for Onana to show his power.
Clive Rogers
6 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:42:13
Three in centre mid is sensible. We were overrun last season with two. We have pace up front. COYB.
Clive Rogers
8 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:45:40
Brian, if you Google it, it says personal problem. Must be why Mills is on the bench. Probably not.
Dave Abrahams
9 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:47:17
Come Blues let these know they have been a game, get at them with controlled aggression for the whole game, no daft rushed tackles but well timed ones to put them on their arses with the players and Klopp crying to the referee.

It will be a hard game but can be won, just stand up to them and fight, we can’t ask for more than that except some luck from the two referees especially the one sitting far far away in VAR room, take those red glasses off and give us some honest decisions.

Derek Knox
10 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:50:37
Fully agree about why are we playing Bette Davies ? At the expense of Gana or McNeil. Have I missed something for the last 5 years with his outstanding MoM displays ? Like I said on another thread if he hadn't scored against City in that 4-0 at GP he would be playing for Dogshit Athletic !


George Cumiskey
11 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:51:08
I wonder what the odds are on Tom Davies being the first to be booked ?
Craig Walker
12 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:51:23
Gonna have to concentrate for the full 98 minutes today.
David Hallwood
13 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:51:31
Peronally I'd have like Coleman to play behind Cody & Tark because of their pace, at the expense of Gray
Ciarán McGlone
14 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:52:12
Can't really argue with starting Davies. He hasn't been terrible the last games. Hopefully he doesn't get carded early.

Top marks to Lampard on not reverting to the 5 at the back.

Hopefully we make a game of it.

Let's go.

Derek Knox
15 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:55:31
Craig W, " Gonna have to concentrate for the full 98 minutes today. "

Plus injury time if the Shite are losing or drawing !

Anthony Taylor ? Enough said !

A manager got fined megabucks by FA, last week by telling the truth that AT is not fit to referee any Premier League matches !

Colin Glassar
16 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:55:45
Jeff, I said exactly the same thing on the live forum. Tom goes mad in these games.
Kevin Molloy
17 Posted 03/09/2022 at 11:56:36
Frank is going toe to toe. that's brave at least, but in the same vein, he's leaving himself more open that I thought he would. these buggers will not hesitate to push for multiple goals if they get a sniff. Remember, from the glory of last season, we've got rid of Richi, added two frees to the middle of defence, and have Maupay up front. If we lose narrowly speaking objectively that's a fairly decent result.
anyway, it's a free hit, I'm not expecting anything, so anything good is a bonus.
Kevin Prytherch
18 Posted 03/09/2022 at 12:06:49
I feel that Alex Iwobi could be key to us today looking at their midfield. Carvalho and Elliot are not the most defensive minded of players in their midfield, so breaks from Iwobi could get behind their midfield very quickly, especially on counter attacks.
George Cumiskey
19 Posted 03/09/2022 at 12:10:35
No problem with Davies starting because he hasn't been terrible in the last few games ????
Oliver Molloy
20 Posted 03/09/2022 at 12:12:05
BT Sport already slagging Everton off - apparently we are the biggest time wasters.
Alan J Thompson
21 Posted 03/09/2022 at 12:13:06
Tom Davies seems to be at fault and nobody has kicked a ball yet. Good to know the 12th man is almost on our side!
James Hughes
22 Posted 03/09/2022 at 12:13:17
Three points today and Maupay to score COYB
Mark Ryan
23 Posted 03/09/2022 at 12:14:51
2 - 1 Maupay gets winner and becomes a legend UTFT's
Ernie Baywood
24 Posted 03/09/2022 at 12:23:58
Onana was very disciplined in the defensive role last time out but can't help but feel we'd be more comfortable with Idrissa there... and freeing up Onana to go box to box

But it's the obvious side. And probably the right side given Idrissa's pack of football.

There'll be plenty of energy in this side. So why not? COYB!!!!

Dave Cashen
25 Posted 03/09/2022 at 12:26:26
Couldn't agree more Alan.

11 prick s in red shirts on the pitch today and all some can do is hammer away at one in blue before a ball is kicked

Matthew Williams
26 Posted 03/09/2022 at 12:27:23
I think we're good enough for a point...1-1... Maupay to score on his debut.
Rick Tarleton
27 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:01:54
Gordon and Davies are certainly up for it.
Brian Hennessy
28 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:20:07
Davies has been excellent. Ref has been exactly what I expected
Ernie Baywood
29 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:20:31
Can't argue with the industry. Shape looks decent too.

We had them rattled in that half but they'll always have spells with the quality they have.

Feeling better about this side than I have in a while.

Pete Jeffries
30 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:22:42
Onana 1 harmless foul and a booking
Fabinho 7 cynical fouls nothing ?
Alan J Thompson
31 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:23:57
Apart from that attack in the last 5 minutes when they hit the post twice we have been the better team and with luck could be in front. The one thing that has stood out is the obvious bias of this Referee who is giving them everything but when the same happens to us waves it away.

I suppose it is to be expected of a lone striker in his first game but Maupay does at times look a little lost and good to see Tom Davies played in his best box to box position. A good half all round.

Jerome Shields
32 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:27:55
Everton looking OK. Looked to be a bit under pressure at the end of the half
George Cumiskey
33 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:29:06
Playing well just the final ball letting us down, eating a bit of humble pie Tom Davies playing well 👍
Jerome Shields
34 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:30:03
Everton looking OK. Looked to be a bit under pressure at the end of the half
Mark Frere
35 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:32:01
Pete@30 couldn't agree more Onana, although having a great game, is walking a right rope now and is a red card waiting to happen! I'd Put Gana on for him second half.
Jim Bennings
36 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:33:40
It's been ok so far although you feel one moment of magic from them will be enough to win it.
Si Cooper
37 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:45:58
Best competitive half of a derby (after a slow start) for yonks. Second half, another slow start so hope we improve again.
Niggles: Anthony Taylor dressing down Patterson for successfully winding Diaz up to snapping point, Anthony Taylor taking Gomez’s word for it on a clear foul, and a yellow for virtually nothing for Onana’s first offence.
Oh, and Jenas’s harping on about the Everton players faults whilst creaming himself every time the RS do anything half right and are ‘starting to dominate’.
Mark Frere
38 Posted 03/09/2022 at 13:55:06
That's what you get from Maupay! Sitter after sitter!
Matthew Williams
39 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:01:44
Fucking VAR again!... keep at it lads!!
Kieran Kinsella
40 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:27:58
Best derby performance I’ve seen for a long time
Si Cooper
41 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:28:15
Only a point and we can’t go on only drawing, but hugely satisfied and encouraged by that effort and performance.
Midfield mikes better and that gives you something to build from. Need key players to keep fit but things are much brighter (at least for me) than they were a few weeks ago.
Derek Knox
42 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:28:58
What has happened to Live Forum, tried several times but couldn't type anything into box ??
Anthony Jones
43 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:28:59
Maupay isn't a proper outball.

Very strange that we didn't take a punt on a centre forward.

Matthew Williams
44 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:30:50
It's looking like we have a decent team in the making,the wins will come soon.

Well played Blue Boys... very pleased here.

Ernie Baywood
45 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:30:54
Forget whether the posts were hit, the best chances went to us. Lots to like but the narrative continues... can we score enough goals with what we have?

Otherwise can't fault the effort. The late chances to them came down to us being exhausted. And that's going to be a problem when they make 4 subs and we just make 2.

Was the Van Dijk foul looked at by VAR? It certainly should have been.

Steve Brown
46 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:31:02
That was an exciting game.

We could have folded after 15 mins if the second half, but we came back fighting

Robert Tressell
47 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:31:05
Si # 37, we were a fair ref away from a win against 10 men. I've complained before about the timid headlines of ToffeeWeb. Pickford was ace but the headline is "more VAR injustice for brilliant Blues".

Some superb performances around the park today. We'll done Lampard. I hope no-one starts using the R word again this season.

Kevin Molloy
48 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:32:31
Great to put a dent into their aspirations. we are set to get a lot better. The age of our team. Onana the fullbacks Gray and Gordon. We are on the up.
God bless Rafa for getting us those fullbacks and Gray with a zero net spend.
Mark Tanton
49 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:34:14
So many good performances. Onana was brilliant, Iwobi unplayable - he ran the show. Gordon was brilliant too, and obviously Pickford played out of his skin.

Why did the VAR not look at Van Dijk's attempt to break Onana's leg? Disgusting.

We should have won today, but Maupay's miss, although he played well in general, is what you get for £15M worth of striker. It was harder to miss.

Tony Everan
50 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:35:24
Great battling performance, could have won it, Maupay's clear chance was the moment. Credit to the whole team, great effort, proud of that performance.

Special mention to the three 21 year olds, Patterson, Onana and Gordon. Terrific from those three young players, future is looking brighter.

When DCL is back this team is going to go on a winning run.


Steve Brown
52 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:36:18
Gueye, Onana and Iwobi. Finally we have a midfield.

Patterson brilliant and Pickford world class.

Mark Frere
53 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:37:14
Decent point and great battling display.

I was criticised on another thread for expressing concern about Maupay and general lack of goals up front.

Well, Maupay continued where he left off at Brighton: missing 'bread and butter' chances for strikers which cost us all important points!

Johan Elmgren
54 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:38:19
Lot's of good performances out there today. Yes, Maupay should have buried that chance, but remember it was his first game of the season...

We're taking steps forward every round, wins will come soon! COYB!

Alan J Thompson
55 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:38:29
Well, that must rate as one of the most entertaining 0-0 Derbies. In fairness it could have gone either way but I thought we had the slightly better chances.

They started the second half better and at first I thought we were going to sit back again. I didn't think Davies deserved being subbed but it wasn't a bad decision by Lampard. Again robbed by the VAR for having an inch of shoulder over a theoretical line, I'd much prefer if they went back to two defenders between you and the goal, less heart-breaking or maybe it should only look at that which you put it over the line. And Van Dijk should have been off for the foul on Onana.

As for our best? So many, Pickford made several very good saves, Onana and Iwobi looked class, Mykolenko had Salah in his back pocket and the central defence looked solid. If we can reproduce that sort of game every match, then there'll be no talk of relegation.

Not satisfied as we could have won that, but pleased at the performance.

Colin Glassar
56 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:38:33
I only wanted a performance to make me proud. The lads made proud, happy, and optimistic after today. UTFT!!!
Derek Knox
57 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:38:56
Not making excuses but it was Maupay's debut after NOT playing for Brighton this season, and it was a derby to boot, I will give him a bit longer before I condemn him to the Detritus Heap!

Frustrating but better than a loss and with so much extra time. Bit of character in the side which has been missing for too long!

Meant to say too, Patterson has almost grown quickly into the role, and was a contender along with Pickford for MotM. Gordon played well too, remembering too this a relatively unfamiliar side playing together, I think we will be okay come the World Cup Break!

It's a good job Red Rum is not still alive he would want his teeth back from that Teutonic Prick!

Bob Parrington
58 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:39:30

As I stated on another thread. As long as we come out of this without injury is the main thing but also to grab a point is good.

Best natured derby for years. More on football than kicking the shit out of each other. We might not have won but the game won!

Nicolas Piñon
59 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:39:34
I don't know why he didn't put Rondon for at least 10 minutes after Maupay missed that chance. I mean, why not? not saying take him out just after it but later...

Can't he run for even 10 minutes?

Justin Doone
60 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:39:57
It was a good competitive game. We created 4 good chances but we were a little unlucky. With a proper striker who knows if they could have scored one.

They created 6 good chances but some good saves and no unlucky ricochets we managed to keep a clean sheet. I'm pleased with another point, a clean sheet and a much more solid midfield and defence.

One point, if Pickford is so good with passing and distribution I hope his 5 kicks that went straight out of play is quickly improved. It frustrates the life out of me.

Well done blues, take the point and move on.

I believe Onana will be out for a week with his ankle injury which is a real shame. He continues to impress me.

Tim Kells
61 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:39:59
Si # 37, and him using the first name of a couple of the Red Shite players as well. What’s that about, embarrassing.

Thought we played well, just need to take our chances.

Gana Gueye makes us stronger.

George Cumiskey
62 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:40:21
Great result and performance and Tom Davies had his best game so far unlucky to be subbed.
Brian Hennessy
63 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:42:43
Michael's headline is spot on. Apart from Maupay we were excellent.

Patterson and Pickford outstanding. Davies had a very good first half. Cody and Tarkowski solid as a rock. Onana is going to go onto another level with Gana in the team. Iwobi excellent again. Frank made the right call with Gordon as he looked tired.

Last season, the gap between us and the RS was massive. Lampard and Thelwell have closed that gap considerably.

Bob Parrington
64 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:43:56
Sorry, George. Tom might have busted a gut with his effort but he is clearly too slow for the Premier League.
Jerome Shields
65 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:45:03
The goal was a definite goal. But on the VAR split decision, it was always going to be disallowed.
Annika Herbert
66 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:45:09
Happy we got the point, years gone by we would have lost that game. It actually looks like we are building a good side. Slowly but surely.

Tom Davies played well and Pickford was magnificent. Delighted to see 2 of the whipping boys proving their worth.

Onana looks a terrific prospect and Iwobi's form is simply unreal. What a turn around the boy has had.

Shame we couldn't snatch the win but a lot to be pleased about in that performance. Mykolenko did a good job on Salah too.

Ernie Baywood
67 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:45:45
Justin #60 you might be right about Onana. It looked really nasty and they don't tend to become a big problem until after the game.

I can't believe the commentators even slightly defended that tackle. Every player knows what they're doing when they put their foot up like that. It's the coward's way out of a challenge.

Bob Parrington
68 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:45:59
Brian - and it's a YES from me!
Jason Li
69 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:48:22
Frank slowly building that first powerful Mourinho Chelsea team. Really exciting times. The board must give Frank 2 more transfer windows minimum to get the squad he wants.

Midfield is right up there already:

Onana is the new Essien and Iwobi is the new Modric. Gana is still world class as he was playing with Mbappe and Messi a few weeks ago.

Just waiting for Doucoure to return, Garner to adapt to the Prem and Davies to do more Iwobi special training sessions. That looks a decent bench too soon.

Happy weekend ahead.

David Hallwood
70 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:49:08
OK it's only one game, but the team has a 1984 look about, and not George Orwell! It was when we turned from an ugly duckling into a beautiful Swan.

That back 4 and midfield 3 look tremendous, just need some more quality in the final 3rd. But it's all looking good.

Andy Walker
71 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:50:56
Pickford brilliant, but Maupay was shit upfront. Who'd have thought, a second-choice Brighton striker is crap.

If we'd had Calvert-Lewin or Richarlison up front we'd have won.

Christy Ring
72 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:51:34
A fully deserved point, Maupay should have won it, but he's lacking match fitness, Pickford made some outstanding saves.

Lampard putting his stamp on the team, and a lot more potent with our new look midfield. I have to say, Patterson and Mykolenko are a lot more comfortable in a back four. Calvert-Lewin back training this week thankfully.

Why didn't the VAR check the cowardly tackle on Onana, quick enough last season on Allan. I hope Sue questions it Monday with Gallagher on ref watch.

Ernie Baywood
73 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:51:56
Frank just summed it up really well... we went toe to toe with them.

I'm really liking the guy. I think he'll do what it takes and he's added a bit of a ruthless streak to us. That takes you a long way – up to the point where quality has its say.

Tony Hill
74 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:52:44
Hugely encouraging. Pickford, Patterson and Iwobi were particularly good but I thought the whole effort was fabulous.

No more relegation worries from me.

Wonderful to see Gueye back and sharp.

Charles Brewer
75 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:54:49
There is usually one footballer within an era I detest more than any other. Billy Bremner, Jimmy Case, Tommy Smith, Emlyn Hughes, Vinnie Jones, Maradona, Slippy-Crease Head are some of the list; but today and for several seasons, it's Van Dijk.

He is a filthy player whose main part in any game is violent intimidation for which he is invariably not punished. If Onana had not been coming straight forward his career would be over this afternoon.

Is there still retrospective VAR inspection of particularly bad errors by the referee, especially since VAR didn't even bother to review the shocking assault today? Not that I would hope for any kind of justice against a Shitty Six player.

Ernie Baywood
76 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:56:31
By the way, I think we'd all want better than Maupay but past management teams spent seasons trying to find the better striker only to watch us play without one while we searched.

Signing Maupay is a pragmatic move. We needed a forward and he is one. I actually thought he did okay - basically, he played like a forward. Should have scored but had some very good moments, including the chest and cross shot for the Coady disallowed goal.

Colin Glassar
77 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:57:16
David 70, hit, nail, head👍
Kieran Kinsella
78 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:57:23
Tarkowski and Coady are like a throwback to the good ole days of a proper centre-back pairing. Tough customers. As soon as Coady “scored”, he was yelling at everyone to focus. Proper captain type old school leader. I think Tarkowski is far better in a two so I imagine we will stick with the back four.

Also worth noting in the summer Frank said Patterson would have to step up until Coleman was fit. Well, is it safe now to assume Patterson is the first-choice right-back? He has areas to improve but overall I've been impressed with him.

Andy Meighan
79 Posted 03/09/2022 at 14:58:52
See all the Pickford haters are conspicious by their abscence.

Best keeper in the league.

Charles Brewer
80 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:00:45
On another theme entirely, I though Frank got it spot on replacing Tom Davies (whom I thought was excellent) with Gueye just as Tom was seriously tiring after an excellent effort.

I do not hold with the idea that being subbed is some kind of reflection of a bad performance. In international rugby, the players who are put on for the last 10-20 minutes are the ones who are expected to win the match by playing against a XV who are exhausted. They are the ones whose role is to outrun and outplay a tiring opposition.

I thought this was exactly what Gana (who played far better even than before he left, he looks stunning) did. Perhaps another 5 minutes of him would have won the game after Tom Davies had battled the RS thugs and druggies to a standstill.

All in all, a very good performance, with, as usual, the best RS player being the man with the whistle, closely supported by the VAR team.

Kieran Kinsella
81 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:00:46
Wonder if Barry Rathbone has decided to check the score yet and see how badly we lost?
David West
82 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:00:49
People will bemoan the lack of quality in front of goal but the last two derbies show we are harder to beat now. Another day, we might've nicked it.

In the past couple of years, they would've been a couple up by half time and we would've been on damaged limitation mode. But we were competitive throughout, rode our luck a couple of times.

Let's not forgot these are a good side, as hard as it is to stomach.

Positives to take from this performance. Back four will get better the more they play together. Patterson gets better every game, few times caught out but he's going to get better. Mykoenko the same, good 1-on-1 against Salah.

Onana is frightening for 20 with Gana in team, he can affect things further forward too. Put a fit Calvert-Lewin in this team and I'm excited to see what is possible.

It's not going to happen overnight but there is a "team" there now where before we had a bunch half-arsed players.

Mike Gaynes
83 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:01:38
The word that kept coming to my mind today was 'fearless'.

No more the caution we saw under Benitez or the desperation of last spring. Frank has built a tough, professional side full of young players who never take a backward step. With time and transfers, we are going to have an outstanding side.

Regarding Maupay, sorry folks, but that's the player he is and always has been. He's tough, tireless and skilled, and he has a superb instinct for getting in the right positions to score -- he had a career-high five shots today -- but the finisher's composure is absent in him.

And that is one instinct that cannot be acquired in my opinion. You've either got it or you don't. He doesn't. And he won't.

Kevin Molloy
84 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:01:51
Charles, I agree, that challenge was something else. I don't think we've heard the end of it either. I suspect an injury coming around the corner.

Let's not be having too much of a go at Maupay on his debut, our perfectly legal goal does not get unlawfully chalked off without Maupay putting the ball where he did.

Charles Brewer
85 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:02:15
Andy, you are totally, totally wrong about Pickford. he's currently the best keeper in the world, and has been for some time.
Andy Meighan
86 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:02:21
Hope he sticks with a back 4.

We looked well better with 3 in midfield.

In Frank We Trust.

Andy Meighan
87 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:02:21
Hope he sticks with a back 4

Looked well better with 3 in midfield.

In Frank we trust.

Lee Courtliff
89 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:03:07
Proud of that. Lampard has my full support...and Iwobi is proving me right when I constantly told my mocking friends that "there's a player in there somewhere".

We'll be nowhere near relegation with that kind of performance.

David West
90 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:04:24
Ha ha Kieran 81 nice !!!
Mike Oates
91 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:04:59
Great game and excellent performance. Could have gone either way but at least we give them a bloody tough game. Little bit more quality upfront and we could have sneaked it.

Back 4 look strong, team led by Coady and Tarkowski. Midfield will come together nicely particularly when Onana and Gueye understand each other better.

It's upfront the problem, and how many goals we can score to get us into Top 10 or Top 15. Relying on Calvert-Lewin to stay fit and knock in 15-20 goals is a bit too much, but I don't see Rondon or Maupay chipping in too many.

As someone said, give Frank a few more transfer windows and who knows what he'll achieve. But as always, can we keep our better players and coaches whilst we climb that table?

Dan Roberts
92 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:05:13
Idrissa oozed class when he came on. He’ll make a big difference to our midfield. Great to have him back.
Tom Bowers
93 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:07:02
Antony Taylor is one of the poorest refs of all the experienced ones in the Premier League – and that was before today.

It was a good result for us and not so good for them. They had injuries and so did we and our attack is still a work in progress. Maupay will settle in, as will McNeil.

Sure we had a little woodwork luck but that usually levels out over the season.

Dermot O'Brien
94 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:08:17
Fair result, lot of ifs but that cuts both ways. We weren't afraid or intimidated.

We played well, Patterson looks a real gem. We all want the win but a point against a league contender (:D hahaha) is decent, considering last season we'd shit ourselves in such games. UTFT

Jack Convery
95 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:09:55
Well done, Blues. More of that with the goals please.

Typical Big 6 Ref performance from Anthony Taylor. Can't have Van Dijk red-carded, Sky would be most displeased.

I urge everyone who has Sky and supports a team outside the Top 6 to cancel their subscriptions and tell them why when you do it. Money talks – we the fans have the power, let's use it.

Brian Murray
96 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:12:11
With the North London two and maybe Man Utd resurgence, they will be lucky to get Top 4.

In a nutshell, I'm proud to be a blue. Everton are back.

Kieran Kinsella
97 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:13:02
Pundits (Carra, Richards) this week puzzled why Everton fans like Frank and Villa fans hate Gerrard.

Look at the difference. The latter inherited a hard-working team, wasted money on a showboat, destroyed team harmon,y and adopts a pissey antagonistic approach to fans and criticism.

Frank does the opposite in every respect

Steve Brown
98 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:13:18
Kieran and Mike, it would be good to hear what Barry Rathbone, Ian Edwards and Pat Kelly thought of the game.

Unfortunately, since we didn't lose we'll never find out.

Danny O’Neill
99 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:13:22
Local bar open early for breakfast and with the football on. Hands have stopped shaking so I'm able to type.

Undisputed MotM is Pickford. If it wasn't for him, I'd go for Patterson for the 2nd time this season. He really is coming on now he's settling in; similar to Mykolenko last season, who also had a decent game. Leadership and organisation from the centre-backs. The defence is looking resolute and settled; a combination of experience with youth & potential.

Iwobi continuing his good form. Gray was more cold than hot but had a few moments. Gordon looked fatigued I thought, especially second half. Maupay needs games but done a job in my opinion. And Gueye looked like he'd never been away. I thought Davies was good first half but fell off the pace second half and was giving away possession too often.

I'm not going to have a go at the VAR. It's that stupid and ambiguous offside rule. I heard one of the commentators suggesting Coady's shoulder was offside. What? He didn't score with his shoulder. Honestly, change the rule.

As for Van Dijk, how that is not a red is beyond me. He nearly broke the lad's leg. Onana was very lucky to escape serious injury. The explanation I heard from the "expert" went something like this:

If the impact is on the foot, then it's yellow. If the impact is on the shin, then it's possibly red. Because Van Dijk's boot comes down the shin and the eventual impact is on the foot, that's probably why it was yellow.

John Senior will shout at me, so the money is in the swear box already. Fuck me. We sure know how to make a simple game complicated.

Anyway, I'll finish on a positive. Another good performance from an improving team that has more steel about it than in previous seasons. We withstood everything they threw at us, and by the end it seemed like they had 8 forwards on the pitch. But we also got at them too and were unlucky not to nab the 3 points.

The points will come if we keep the performance levels up. Now to break my Emirates duck and I'll be there for that one.

David West
100 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:14:56
Something I don't get is the perception that Calvert-Lewinis an injury-prone striker.
Last season, yes he had injuries and struggled. 17 games 5 goals 2 assists. But previous seasons he's played over 30 every season.

So the perception he's this always injured player is bemusing to me. If we can get him back, fit, then I think he still has a lot to offer and adds the extra dimension we need.

Mike Gaynes
101 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:15:00
Dan, #92,

I enthusiastically agree, and what a teacher he is going to be for Onana.

Did you know they were both born in Dakar? They both speak the same French dialect. Listen and learn, young man. Professor Gueye will help make you a superstar.

Frank Kearns
102 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:15:19
Haven't got time to read all the previous posts, so sincere apologies if somebody has already commented on this.

Frank Lampard is quoted in today's Daily Mail “……you get an hour and a half on the training ground every day…..” and there, I think, is Everton's problem. Yes, a game is 90 minutes, but why not exceed that in training.

One of the best reports I read was about The Brazilian national side who's training consisted of, forwards against backs, on a full-size pitch, for an hour each way. Then, they'd start training. What else are we paying these footballers for?

It seems to me they are no longer interested in doing their job, but, more in what they can get out of their job.

Kieran Kinsella
103 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:18:06

Aside from not reading comments, I assume you didn't watch the game. What a bizarre post!

George Cumiskey
104 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:18:08
I thought Maupay kept them on their toes better than Rondon would've but doesn't look like a natural goalscorer.
Brian Hennessy
105 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:24:08
Many have said it already but I have to say it again.

How good it is to have Idrissa Gana Gueye back? Comes in after one day training, in the middle of a delicately poised derby, and stamps his class all over the game. A magnificent player.

Derek Knox
106 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:24:26
Brian @ 96, and Danny @ 99, thought we did enough to win today but dodgy refereeing and bent VAR got in the way of that. Great to see some spirit back in the side, (echoes of the good times = possibly).

Who suggested for one minute I am biased?

Hope to see you both at Bramley Moore Pub after the WHU game!

No Ticket? No Worry!

Words of a very popular Bob Marley Song?

Must get my Hearing AId Checked out!

Kim Vivian
107 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:24:56
The goal was offside. No corruption this time.

However if Milner took a size bigger boots it would have stood. Take way the outstretched leg and it was way offside and looked it as it happened to me although I did hit the ceiling when it went in. It would have been a lucky call if Milner's leg was an inch longer, and quite an unusual review actually. Have to say though, without the VAR we win that 1-0 based on the rest of the game panning out the same. It would have been wrong but goal would have stood.

A well earned point there today. Allisson had a good game, Pickford was immense and is turning out to be a decent captain in my opinion - I liked the way he gee'd Onana up when he was struggling after the assault. Maupay should have hit his chance first time - I thought it was him who hit the post actually but it was Tom I think. He'll settle in okay. That was his first game after a move just a week ago. He's definitely an improvement over Rondon. I just WISH we had bought a big centre-forward in the window. Calvert-Lewin will obvs make a difference but I do worry how fit he will stay.

Pleased to have pegged the RS back another couple of points and delighted with the spirit today. Fingers crossed for Onana.

Bill Gienapp
108 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:25:12
Wasn't that excited to get up at 4:30 am here on the West Coast of USA, but glad I did, because that was probably the best derby since the 3-3 draw under Martinez.

We've had other draws in recent years, but they usually felt like we just dug in and survived; this is the first time we really went hammer & tongs with a Klopp side (obviously Ancelotti had some success, and even managed to get a victory, but not having fans felt like an asterisk).

On a side note, I can't believe how good Patterson already looks. Remember when that journalist started some bullshit rumor about how he was going out on loan and people started ranting about what a terrible signing he was, and how he'd never cut it in the Premier League? Life moves pretty fast.

Jim Lloyd
109 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:25:41
The referee was a biased, arrogant twat, who we could see we'd get nothing from him but a red card!

I thought we played as a team and fought for everything, played some good football and deserved a draw. Dick Van Dijk is a bully and sly with it, then he went over to make out he was sympathising but snidily telling Onona to get up. Prick! The ref (as per the norm when the Shite dangerously foul) didn't see it.

Rough tackles, we got a fouls against or a yellow card. And when they did them he started gesticulating to our players that we were acting!

I think the Red Shite got a bit of a nasty surprise today. No rolling over and surrendering to them, we were getting stuck in and going toe to toe with them, and could have had three or four ourselves. Maupay might have missed a sitter but he was in the right place and did fine in his general play. Gana Gueye is just class!

I thought Patterson was my star man; but all players did really well. Onana is some player and is going to be a star for us. I still think our first target is to move away from relegation and stay away.

I also think Frank has made a good start, with a sound defence, plenty to choose from in midfield. Our forwards gave them headaches and it was a shame we didn't put our chances away, but a good display all round!

Finally, this bloody VAR is a horrendous contraption. The quicker they give the decision-making back to the referees, the better.

Paul Kossoff
110 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:32:43
Frank 102, 100% agree,

Anyone who is paid millions for kicking a ball would naturally become a lazy pampered man. Even years ago, if you wanted to find a footballer, look in the pub near the training ground, they would be in their most of the day playing cards.

No wonder a lot of so-called pros have glaring omissions in skill from their game and never seem to improve?

Well done Frank and the boys against the hated shite. Once again we are robbed by far. Never mind, I'm sure Klopp is more upset than we are.

Duncan McDine
111 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:32:46
We went toe to toe with them and lived to tell the tale.

I was fearing the worst when the game stretched in the second half, but we had just as many good chances to win the game as they did. How it ended goalless is beyond me.

If that performance is a sign of things to come, then we'll be absolutely safe this season with the chance to add a bit of firepower up front in future transfer windows. Proud of the club, fans, team & management today… keep it up.

Kim Vivian
112 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:35:17
Also, I was pleasantly surprised how upright Gordon remained today. I think Frank's had a word, and Richarlison's theatrics are no longer rubbing off.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
113 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:35:30
To Mostly Harmless who posted on the BBC - brilliant:

Mostly Harmless
Good news for Liverpool fans, M62, M6, M1, M40 and M25 no major holdups.
Good news for Everton fans, MerseyTravel buses are all running a good service this afternoon.

We own this city.

And what was the FA doing? They gave us one more day to recover and that lot had to play extra time on Wednesday night as well. Who messed up the fixtures and was meant to give them more rest than we would have? I can see a sacking on the cards.

Well done you boys.

Pat Kelly
114 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:41:11
Another scoreless draw. Four goals in six games. Four points in six games. Yet to win a game from six. But we didn't lose. Could've been worse.
Jeff Armstrong
115 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:43:30
Great battling performance today. All 5 defenders outstanding. Davies made a fool of me for 50 minutes, I'm happy to say. Onana, Iwobi excellent, also Gray took the game to them.

I thought Anthony was a bit quiet today. Maupay buzzed around but looks a tad slow, Gueye was very good when he came on, picked up where he left off.

Taylor was a disgrace as usual, Tsimisas should have been carded before Onana got a card for his first foul. I couldn't see the offside or Dick van Dijk'schallenge from my spec but overall a good performance and the general consensus around me is we will be alright.

Ian Bennett
116 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:45:45
Looked decent at the back and now have legs in midfield.

Green shoots.

Steve Brown
117 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:51:03
Sack Pat.
Graham Mockford
118 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:52:11
Watched in Funchal and my Portuguese is a bit ropey.

Strong resilient performance which augurs well especially when we have a fit Calvert-Lewin.

Up the caralemos!

Nick Page
119 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:54:40
Top effort from the boys. Do that every game, we'll do things and put smiles on blue faces.

Still look a bit light up top so hoping that will improve as goals win games. Well done, Everton.

Steve Mink
120 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:59:01
Lots to be encouraged by.

Iwobi was immense. Was good to see Maupay playing as a proper centre-forward and hopefully he will get sharper.

Brian Denton
121 Posted 03/09/2022 at 15:59:55
I thought we looked like a team there. Just need to keep that up and we'll do ok.

McNeil looked knackered 4 mins after coming on. What's that all about?

Christy Ring
122 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:00:21
Not too many of the anti-Frank brigade have posted today, I wonder why!
Mike Gaynes
123 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:03:02
Rein it back in, Pat. You're bordering on rapture there.
Geoff Lambert
124 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:03:02
4-3-3 or 4-4-2 the way to go, Frank. Gunners up next, Hope Man Utd give them a good kicking.

We have a tough young team with some older experienced heads to keep it together. Unbeaten in four and a clean sheet against the RS. Our first win will come soon if we keep up the work ethic of today's game. COYMB.

Chris Jones (Burton on Trent)
125 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:03:23
Looking forward to seeing the highlights, if only to look at that offside decision again.

Commentators and pundits etc seem to me to be looking at things wrongly by focusing on Milner's boot. It looked to me that Coady was marginally behind the ball when the pass was struck, even if he was a midge's dick beyond said Milner boot. You can't be offside if the ball is closer than you to the goal line when the pass is struck.

And even if I am talking out the back of my neck above... look again at the incident, Allison got his fingertips to the ball as it came through to Coady. Doesn't that have some influence on matters these days?

Graham Mockford
126 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:03:29
And surely Pickford has now done enough to silence his critics on here.

He’s been exceptional for over two years. The best since Big Nev

Anthony A Hughes
127 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:04:51
Not even sure why an anti-Frank brigade should exist. He's done a fine job under stressful conditions and we look like we're moving forward as a team.
Chris Jones (Burton on Trent)
128 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:05:48
I also meant to give praise to Onana. After his (somewhat unjust) yellow card, I expected him to get hooked so as to avoid the 'inevitable' second yellow. However, the lad kept his head, kept winning the ball, and didn't shy away from battling the Shite.

Well done, lad.

Derek Knox
129 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:06:10
Kim V, okay mate hope you okay. Live Forum playing up today, so gave up in the end. Not so sure the offside goal was as clear-cut as you make out!

I say that with no bias whatsoever, honestly, 🤔😜🤦‍♂️ I hate them with a vengeance. Okay, only one point but hopefully give other sides a blueprint on how to thwart them, while that will build our own confidence too!

Kunal Desai
130 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:06:15
Decent point, could have gone either way.

A settled back four making a big difference. No need for Mina or Keane to return back into this side.

Midfield looks much stronger, with plenty of options, still think we could have done with another focal point up front (not Rondon).

Goals will be hard to come by, but we're on an upwards trajectory.

Pat Kelly
131 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:06:41
Hi Mike, factual, I thought
Michael McFarlane
132 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:07:22
Unlucky not to nick a win there.

This team is coming together very nicely under Frank's leadership. Yes leadership because he's energising, inspiring, engaging, motivating and building an industrious and increasingly skilled team, both around him and on the pitch. He's stood firm in the firing line after the mess we were in and all signs are we're coming out the other side. Nice to see Frank smile today - he deserves it!

On the pitch, solid and resilient. The midfield will be monsters with a few more games under their belt. No doubt. Barring injuries (how that nasty snide DVD got away with that deliberate gross foul play is beyond me).

Pickford, Onana, Cody, Tarkowski, Gray and especially Patterson great displays. I continue to struggle with Mykolenko - composure, accuracy and footballing skills aren't at the top level we need. He's doing OK but we need to be aiming beyond OK imo. There's clear space between him and Patterson. The competition from Vinagre should help.

If we continue to improve, I'd expect a mid-table finish. That will be an improvement for Frank to continue to build on.

Our biggest challenge is goals. Goals win games.

We're lacking striker firepower still. Maupay did OK today - nearly a nice assist but he missed a great chance and he's not the solution (I hope I'm proven wrong). Sure, as we improve, the rest of the team will chip in but we need DCL back, fit and firing to realise our true potential this year. And then to strength with quality as soon as we can.

Onwards and upwards! It's coming together very nicely.

Oliver Molloy
133 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:07:30
Wanted three points but happy we did not get beat.

I genuinely believe if that VD tackle had been the other way round, our guy would have got a straight red - fucking joke.

Talk Sport, biased all game, after the ball went out after 30 seconds the commentator said Everton wasting time already, then he went slagging off Goodison.

Peter Reid came to our defence few times, but well out of order.

How the fuck did VAR not ask the ref to look at that challenge ?

Barry Rathbone
134 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:07:54
Very good result in the context of the regulation drubbing and if the start of a genuine revival so much the better. But this is Everton and remember Carlo actually beat the shite and look what happened.

Not counting chickens just yet

Jeff Armstrong
135 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:08:06
Graham 118, love Funchal, great place to holiday.
Julian Exshaw
136 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:09:39
Apart from his kicking, Pickford has been brilliant for quite a while now. It's unfair to judge Maupay on one showing but Mike Gaynes' -who knows his players- words would worry me regarding his finishing.
What pleases me most is our back line. It's looking stronger with every match.
If I were to be very critical I think we still miss a CM with a range of passing.
What really peed me off today was BT's disgusting defence of VVD's dreadful challenge on Onana! It's not an unfair comment to say that if that had been the other way round, one of our players would have seen red or at least VAR would have been called upon.
There's nothing like the derby to get the passion going again. I loved what I saw from our boys today. Roll on the Gunners!!
Marc Hints
137 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:10:09
If you actually watch McNeil effect which Allison saves it comes off the Liverpool players arm, he sticks it out. It should of been a penalty
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
138 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:11:10
Weird - 6 games in and not a win. Next away at current league leaders Arsenal. Take a draw? Then home to West Ham. Fail to win that and it would make it 9 games since our last win - the worst for 28 years.

But 2 draws puts us only 1 point less than the same fixtures last season. Shows we had a tough start. Can only get better. Lots of green shoots.

Mike Gaynes
139 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:11:55
Just teasing you, Pat.
Neil Copeland
140 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:12:53
Neil Copeland
141 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:20:03
How good is Gana? If that is his performance after not playing since May, then he is going to be even more if a beast than he was first time round.

Enjoyed the game and thought we performed well. Our team is still very new and it will take time to settle players in properly but the future looks very bright.

Talked to a couple of RS supporters on the walk back from the ground. They were impressed with how much we have improved and thought we should and actually deserved to win! I don’t think they were on anything either and their English seemed very good.

Anyway, great to see real fight in the team and looking like they wanted and believed they could win. Long May it continue.

Disappointed not to win but very proud and encouraged by further improvement. 5 games unbeaten in all competitions,


Brent Stephens
142 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:21:57
RS dropped 2 points - great. We gain a valuable point - damn good performance against a team packed with so much talent (why didn't the rs pick Salah today!).

I drooled over Gana's cameo performance; effortless winning the ball; effortless in evading a tackle; sublime in his distribution. Who said over 30 is over the hill? This will be the best £2m we've ever spent.

Frank is quickly moulding a team out of various established and new signings. A team of narks.

Defence very good especially Pickering, Patterson, Myko. Midfield ditto - Davies again so good; Iwobi say no more! Onana has settled in SO quickly.

Very satisfied with that performance.

Anthony A Hughes
143 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:24:08
The Van Dick tackle was a potential leg breaker. How can that just be a yellow when yellows were given out for bits of pushes and pulls. Bullshit biased reffing at its darkest.
Anthony A Hughes
144 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:24:08
The Van Dick tackle was a potential leg breaker. How can that just be a yellow when yellows were given out for bits of pushes and pulls. Bullshit biased reffing at its darkest.
Chris Leyland
145 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:24:46
Just got back home - haven’t seen any replays of any incidents yet but what pleased me was that we went toe to toe with them for large parts of the game and looked solid. Withbcalmer finisning the. We could have knicked it.

No one had a bad game. The midfield was solid and compact and Davies had a good game but I’m really looking to Gana being a regular starter and allowing Onana to be further up the field.

One thing I will say is that Taylor was woeful as the ref. How he booked Onana for his challenge when he let that Greek fella off for repeatedly fouling is beyond me. Plus, why was the Van Dickhwad challenge refered to VAR? It looked a red to me on my one live view of it.

Eddie Dunn
146 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:25:32
What a cracking effort from our lads. Davies a tad unlucky to be subbed but Gana certainly put to bed doubters. He looked sharp and slotted-in as if he had never left.
Pickford kept us up and Pickford won us that point. Tremendous!
Paterson and his willingness to get up the wing brings us a dimension lacking since Seamus's slow decline. The midfield now looks so combative. Of course Maupay missed a sitter, and if Davies had a left foot, surely he would have scored. The goal was clearly offside- such a shame as it seemed so just that Coady should score.
Well done Fran Lampard, he seems to be learning from his mistakes.
Finally BT Sport so keen to let Van Dyke off the hook. Imagine if Tarkovski had done the same to Diaz. I think the howls for a red card would have bust the speakers on my telly.
Such bias.
Robert Tressell
147 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:26:11
There was an interview with a frustrated Ralf Rangnick after a poor Man Utd performance last season. He said Man Utd were not physically present - so they could not properly compete in the match.

I think for the first time in a long time we looked physically present today. Full backs, centre mid and wide players have good physical attributes and stamina. We can compete. Add DCL to that team and we will be really good.

Really like Patterson and Onana. Going to be big players for us.

Derek Knox
148 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:26:52
Neil @ 140, did the game leave you speechless ? I understand !

Michael @ 132, I hope John of the McFarlane Clan, is okay, we go quite a bit back with TW Get Togethers. Having another after the WHU Game at GP (18/09/22) Bramley Moore Pub again, not the easiest place to get to, and can fully understand if John can't make it, but I have never known him to miss one yet !

If he can though, and anyone else for that matter, will always be made welcome !

Raymond Fox
149 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:31:05
Not good for the ticker that game, a fair result but could have gone either way.

Your being bit unfair to Maupay arn't you Micheal, the lads not unpacked his case yet, yes he had a great chance to score but so did Davies.
Nobody had a poor game and Pickford had a blinder no doubt, running him close was Iwobi who was all over the field again, aswell as showing some nice touches.
Patterson needs to be given a pay increase because he will be on the top 6 clubs shopping list very soon. You can put Iwobi on that list as well because he had another standout game.

Steavey Buckley
150 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:32:21
Everton will not be able to overwhelm the opposition until they have strikers. Players can work as hard as possible for the team, but without the ball ending up in the back of the net, endeavours can't for nothing if the team can't achieve the 3 points.
Kim Vivian
151 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:35:01
Hi Derek, all right, you too mate.

Actually - since the game and posting I have looked back at, replayed, slowed down and paused that offside and I must recant some of what I was saying. I thought it was Milner who was nearly playing him on with His outstretched foot but it was in fact Van Dijk they were looking at. It was close and I struggle with the VAR offside rules but we seem stuck with it. No longer will we see a "level with..." ruling until they change the parameters. Humbug...

Yes - the forum is hard work recently but I'm sure Michael and Lyndon are working on it. I continued reading but didn't really contribute today. I did post all that on the forum (blind - as the dialogue box lags about 2 minutes) but don't think it appeared, so may have repeated myself if it did.

Tony Everan
152 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:37:44
With regards the VAR was the line drawn from the front of the ball ? I don’t understand which part of the ball you have to be behind, can anyone enlighten?

Also, I’d like some clarity from the authorities about freeze frame selection when deciding VAR offsides. Who chooses ? , is this process fully open to retrospective scrutiny?

If not the capacity for corruption or bias is massive. Many games are won and lost on these marginal decisions.

Jim Bennings
154 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:40:11
Proud of that performance today.

One thing Lampard has learned over summer is making us harder to beat, we are far more combative and tougher.

That game could have finished 3-3, best derby since the Martinez one in 2013 and most entertaining 0-0 since the Nigel Martyn show at Anfield in 2004.

Take the clean sheet and point.

Danny O’Neill
155 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:40:41
I don't want to put a negative on a relatively positive day, but there was another official / BT pundit moment in the first half that grated.

I think it was Maupay over on the touchline by the Enclosure. He initially got wrestled by the Liverpool player who proceeded to then effectively throttle him around the neck.

Bad enough that it wasn't a free kick. Whoever the BT expert was suggested that Maupay was playing for something???


Kim Vivian
156 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:41:14
Shout out for Minik - hope you see this mate.

Hope you enjoyed your first visit to Goodison. No goals to see but plenty of action and excitement to enjoy.

How much have you aged this afternoon, btw?

Mark Ryan
157 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:47:13
Lots of positives. Everton look like a team in transition but in a poistive way. We have a decent spine. Maupay looks an upgrade on Rondon. Tom looks like a player who is doing his best. Frank, compared to Bingo has had 2 minutes with this team and so credit to Frank. We won't be relegation fodder this season if we keep moving forward like this. With DCL back and Ben Godfrey back we'll have a decent team. A top striker is still needed but we were competitive today. Pickford MOTM
Ian Sephton
158 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:48:30
VAR needs seriously looking at!
If Coady had scored with his shoulder then rule the goal out, but he scored with his foot which was substantially onside and the goal should have scored.
The natural ‘leaning’ of an attacking players body is always going to be in an offside position when compared with a defenders body, which tends to be ‘leaning’ in the opposite direction.
This is the second game where we have been robbed due to an offiside armpit and I for one am fed up of these horseshit decisions
Brent Stephens
159 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:51:26
I was passing the entrance to the away section about 40 minutes before kick off. Wow, did it kick off. Those feckers know how to be nasty. Not just the smoke bombs set off, but the barriers channelling the queues upended and stormed over. I noticed the turnstiles were then kept locked for a while - should have stayed shut.
Neil Copeland
160 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:52:42
Derek #148, yes and hoarse! Hope you are well and hoping to get to the BM after the game against the Pikies (apologies in advance to any travellers blues).
Jack Convery
161 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:52:45
Another Big 6 VAR Decision at Stamford Bridge. Send those SKY subscriptions back folks. Enough Is Enough !!!!!!!!
Ian Sephton
162 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:55:16
Brent @ 159 - must have been overzealous stewards and policing just like the CL final.
Jamie Crowley
163 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:56:26
Just got done watching on delay.

This team we've assembled under Frank is something I'm very happy about. I thought we played very, very well. Unlucky not to get all 3 points.

Maupay is such a breath of fresh air. He can actually run and doesn't look as if he's been scarfing down hamburgers.

I thought Tom Davies was excellent. A few "Tom" moments of giveaways, but he played really well overall.

Onana is just brilliant.

How good was it to see Gana Gueye back?! And for anyone saying that acquisition was poor, "never works second time around", etc, those 20 to 30 minutes on the pitch should put that to bed. Still covering every blade of grass, winning every ball, tenacious little shit I love him.

Pickford was immense. BUT! Man at 0-0 having played so well, his time-wasting antics at the end of the game drove me mad. Go on and grab three points at home! The game was there to be won. Why are we settling for a point at Goodison??? That mindset needs to change, and fast!

Patterson is great. That kid is the real deal, he played wonderfully.

Gray drives me nuts. Holds the ball fractionally too long every time. Runs into cul-de-sacs. He just, for whatever reason, drives me mad.

Iwobi can't be dropped. He's developed into a fantastic footballer. £25 million is now a bargain.

Finally, the goal was offside. Unlucky as fuck. The roof blew off the Crowley house when that ball went in. The second I saw the freeze frame replay, I knew it would get called back.

This squad under Frank is looking very good, very exciting, and I'm very positive about the future.


Jeff Armstrong
164 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:56:45
Brent 159, we know by now they don’t like turnstiles or queuing.
Dale Rose
165 Posted 03/09/2022 at 16:58:32
Very good performance indeed. Bring it on.
Mike Gwyer
166 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:00:58

Great result. Great manager. Great team.

Mark Tanton
167 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:01:00
We sat back in the last few minutes - psychological isn't it? Everybody is afraid of Liverpool time, because they get so much of it.
Danny O’Neill
168 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:02:08
Do they never learn, Brent? They can't keep blaming everyone else. But then they have no class or humility. Just queue like everyone else.

No doubt there will be talk of bad organisation, victimisation and poor crowd control in the Albert, the Arkles and the Cabbage Hall. Not their fault obviously. They were probably enticed to storm the turnstiles.

Same city. Different worlds. They more than anyone else should know better.

Brent Stephens
169 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:03:40
Ian #162, Jeff #164,

It really sickened me given what some of their genuinely-innocent supporters suffered in the past. Having been found not quilty of stroming the gates at Hillsborough, they continue to storm the gates elsewhere.

Tony Hill
170 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:05:24
Credit to Ashley Cole whose coaching seems to be bearing much fruit. I thought Mykolenko had an excellent defensive game nullifying Salah and Patterson looks hugely promising with a superb attitude to accompany his talent.

So much to be happy about in that game today.

Mick Fallon
171 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:05:41
Very good today. Solid and hopefully the fluidity will come.

Great having Gana back. Good to see him geeing a clearly hurt Obana on. Fair dues to the boy, he didn't hide and at 20 doubt he got such a kicking in the French league. Can see him and Gana being our new dogs of war.

That gaping Calvert-Lewin-shaped hole in the team is a worry though. Hope he's back and firing soon. Frank was very impressed with his fitness and attitude pre-season so hopefully he slots straight back in.

Brent Stephens
172 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:06:34
Yes, Danny, different worlds. I was actually surprised at the restraint shown by the police.
Frank Fearns
173 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:07:20
Very satisfying and I feel confident about the season. A couple of wins and we'll be even more confident.

Gana is a class act and those around will develop playing with him. Iwobi continues to impress as did all the players. Bit unfair headline about Maupey given he's had little time to even meet the team.

He'll come good with Calvert-Lewin up top. Have young Garner waiting in the wings. An exciting prospect. There's a decent squad developing now having got rid of some of the overpaid dross. Onwards and upwards. COYB.

Jeff Armstrong
174 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:11:56
Frank is learning fast, 6 or 7 games ago Gomes was a first pick, how far away from then are we now?
Upwards and onwards
Jamie Crowley
175 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:13:54
Just read about 60% of the comments, and the criticism of Maupay is laughable.

Yes, he missed a chance.

He also created a great chance in the first half with that chested ball he controlled and put across the box.

He ran his nuts off. He dragged defenders with his runs.

He was good today.

This TW burn him at the stake narrative - spurned on by folks bitter we didn't pick up Grandma Wheelchair with an "ST" in front of her name indicating position - is laughable.

Just pile on fellas. Just know your narrative is blind and full of shit. The kid was good today, and he's a MILLION times better than Hamburger Rondon!!

Paul Hughes
176 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:16:31
Looks like I'm in the minority, but I thought Maupay did okay. He gave us an outlet, held it and laid it off more often than not, and closed down their back four when not in possession.

Also gave Gray space to have his best game this season.

Roger Helm
177 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:17:28
Just back from the match, haven't read all the posts, but my thoughts -

1. Pickford is a great keeper, his saves got us the point, as they kept us up last season.

2. Our defence looks very solid, we seem to be a team hard to beat these days. Still don't think Patterson and Mykolenko offer as much going forward as did Seamus and Bainsey or Digne.

3.Our general trajectory is upwards, certainly since last season's 1-4 debacle.

4. Onana, Iwobi and Idrissa are going to be a very good midfield. Also reasonable back-up with Doucoure and Tom.

5. We will struggle for goals as McNeill and Maupey don't impress me yet, hopefully they will improve as the season goes on. A big load on DCL's shoulders.

6. We look much more of a team now, well done Frank.

7. Liverpool supporters are rubbish, barely audible today.

8. Overall, considering our position, I thought we played well and had chances to win, with a bit more composure in the penalty area. Feels like a point won rather than two points dropped.

Jamie Crowley
178 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:17:31
Paul @ 178 -

Sometimes it's "tyranny of the majority" mate!

I'm with you!!! Minority wins!

Tony Hill
179 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:20:03
As well as Ashley Cole, we have Baines and Coleman, of course.

Imagine being a young full-back with those 3 developing you.

Paul Hewitt
180 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:21:21
Maupay will be fine, give the guy a chance.
Neil Copeland
181 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:24:08
Brent #173,

I was really surprised at the strong police presence along Walton Road before and particularly after the game. There was a helicopter monitoring things also. It struck as being odd that it was so much evident than normal even when we play Man Utd or Man City.

Based on your observations, perhaps it is a case of Merseyside Police knowing what to expect when our cousins are in town. Shameful and embarrassing if so.

Bobby Mallon
182 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:25:14
Well done today, Everton. We need the same and some v Arsenal next weekend.
Ian Edwards
183 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:28:08
Really pleased with our performance today. We battled hard and, with better finishing, could have won. Onwards and upwards.
Neil Copeland
184 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:30:05
Brian Murray
185 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:30:16
Just shows how far we have gone and how far they have fallen with them celebrating wildly being let off the hook yet again by the VAR. Arguably they have been given 4 points in a week by the Premier League to keep the title race remotely close and that's a laugh.
Jay Harris
186 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:32:15
Well summed up.

I don't think we can criticize any of the players today.. I feel they did us proud.

Don't know who pissed on Taylor's chips but he seems to have it in for us.

Van Dijk's challenge on Onana wasn't even referred to the VAR.

The last touch before Coady scored was off a Liverpool defender and should not have been ruled out for offside

Their left back (can't spell his name) should also have had 2 yellows but he gives Onana a yellow for a dubious foul.

Bobby Mallon
187 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:32:17
On Maupay.

He created 4 chances, had 1 saved and ran 11.1 km (that's 6.89 miles in old English.) more than any other player. He played very well on his debut.

What Everton need to do as a team is get their pass completion above 80%. We should then not have as many chances against us.

Danny O’Neill
188 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:32:57
They do have some great mentors, Tony.

Now the eternal optimist that is me is going to add an air of caution.

We have 2 great young full-backs that are brimming with potential and demonstrating that.

Some had written off Mykolenko after one or two games, others Patterson before they'd even seen him play because of some internet rumours about opinions of him at Finch Farm. Keep in mind he was injured for most of the time after he joined last season. So his starting point at Everton was delayed from the Ukranian Scouser.

I genuinely think we are fortunate to have them. But be patient with them. Like all young players, they will make mistakes. Despite being my MotM after Pickford, Patterson did today when he overhit a pass to Coady, which resulted in a dangerous corner.

Don't crucify them. Encourage them. They'll come good.

Craig Walker
189 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:34:48
Agree with Jamie. Give Maupay a chance. Thought he did okay today. He should have scored but he doesn't need telling that.

I thought we were great today. We gave everything against a far superior team. We rode our luck at times but could have easily won it. We had no luck with decisions.

TW is getting a bit too depressing for me. We all want to win but surely people can see what we're trying to build? Smell steps but there's some spirit and we played good stuff at times today. I gave Iwobi and Pickford stick for years so I'm gonna cut the likes of Maupay and McNeil some slack.

I really hope Lampard is given a fair crack because I can see progress after years of signing flops and mercenaries. At least these are a group of players who look like they want to compete for our magnificent fan base.

Bobby Mallon
192 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:40:18
Jay Harris 186:

Well bloody said. Since when did going through the back of a player not constitute a card and how the fuck St Virgil didn't get a red card is beyond me.

The commentator (I think it was Jenas) said it wasn't a red because his studs hit the shin pad and then rolled down onto his ankle. I said it was a straight red, for fuck's sake.

Neil Copeland
193 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:48:34
Jeff, yes I saw that outside the Abbey too, the police were doing their best not to arrest anyone and kept it under control.

I think you are right mate, they really are a bunch of classless gobshite pricks.

Christopher Timmins
194 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:51:49
Definite improvement, much more difficult to beat! The games don't get any easier in the short term but we are competitive and can pickup points.

Let's hope we continue to improve as the new players bed in, if we do then Danny's start of season predictions might come to pass.

Maupay will make a positive contribution going forward.
This was his first start.

Mykolenko, Patterson and Iwobi have all been written off but are now showing their worth. The manager has helped to turn Iwobi into a very effective operator.

The future is blue!

Joe Digney
195 Posted 03/09/2022 at 17:55:14
Watched while on holiday in Cannes in a pub full of Irish, Norwegian, Russian and a couple of American reds... being the only blue in there, it's safe to say I still outsung the lot.

On a whole, very proud of the performance from the lads how many times over the last few years can we say we genuinely had the shite under the pump like we had at times today.

Lampard is deffo building something, we showed fight, determination and could've won it just as much as them (I can't be arsed going into the whole VAR shit show). Gueye slotted in like he'd never left, giving us a glimpse of a very exciting midfield 3 of him Onana and Iwobi. Onwards and upwards lads. UTFT

ps: That Nunez looks utter shit... Andy Carroll with a fancier name.

Jack Convery
196 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:00:20
Just seen the Patterson incident with Nunez. Class lad. So good it gave Nunez an erection with a blue corner flag, flying at the bell end!!
Andy Peers
197 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:02:10
Quick point about our defense/defence (depends on your country of education, lol). The last three games we have conceded one each against Leeds and Brentford and shut out the Shite. Those teams have scored 40 goals between them in their first 6 games.
David West
198 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:04:25
Barry 134,

We would need to beat the RS 5-0 for you to even start looking for chickens, never mind count any chickens. Yes, we rode our luck at times, but so did they.
They may of had a few more golden opportunities than us, but what did they pay for their front 3? £150M? Give or take. Our front 3? £16-17M.

We matched them, it shows that spirit, desire, determination and discipline can make a team perform beyond the sum of their parts. A couple of years ago, we would've had a team that cost £250M+ and get walloped easily.

I've been impressed with Lampard from Day 1. He's not perfect, but he knows that. Making a team outperform the sum of their parts is anmark of a good coach. The players seem to want to play for him, want to give their all and are slowly building a spirit that we haven't had for a long while.

Can anybody honestly say they wouldn't rather watch this team than the shite we had under Koeman, Allardyce, Benitez or Silva?

Let's trust him now; be patient, it will take time, we will make mistakes but imo we will progress and get better.


James O'Connell
199 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:05:06
Great performance, no doubt about that, if a boxing match, we would have won on points.

Yet again, lack of goals is the issue, and the one thing we needed more than any other in this window was a quality striker. Why didn't it happen?

Rick Tarleton
200 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:05:59
I had no optimism before the game, and I suppose when you look at possession and territory stats we were living on scraps, but I was so proud of them today. They never gave up and fought for every ball, and could have snatched it (to be fair so could they).

It's good to be talking tonight to Liverpool supporters and not have them gloating or even worse patronising us. Pickford played his best game and I thought the back four were brilliant. The much-maligned Davies was excellent and nearly scored a great goal. COYB.

Pekka Harvilahti
201 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:10:13
This is clearly a good Everton team, they do well at defending and even creating chances, but scoring goals, that's where the problem is.
It's pretty stupid that a club like our's can't get a proper striker.
Maupay is almost decent, but he is not the answer as the game showed.
It's quite hard to win when you score about once in every game but give away two.
Colin Glassar
204 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:26:03
Frank has sorted out the defence and midfield. Now we need to keep going until the next window opens to get another striker in to knock in the chances.
Jerome Shields
206 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:29:27
Everton got it together today, a combination of Frank's style and players stepping up to the plate. They will only get better as the new players settle in more, but there are already signs of how good they are.

Gordon with his runs forward at pace really has come on a lot. Iowbi was everywhere. The back four were excellent, particularly Patterson. I was impressed with Everton's team performance, I could see a lot of potiential.

Liverpool will consider themselves lucky to get a point. They should have been beaten. They were so lucky to get a perfectly good goal reversed by the VAR.

Maupay would benefit from Ancelotti's one-touch philosophy. He is looking for time to control before shooting. Trying to overdo it to make sure. He would be better to shoot first time. With a bit more confidence, he will. He is getting into some good positions and his passing inside the box is good.

Brian Williams
208 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:31:45
They "may" have been treated badly in Paris but there were many who tried to get into that game without tickets, just as there were today. And that's from an employee of our club who experienced it happening today.

Aside from that I thought we played very well today against the so called best team in the world.

A draw was a fair result from an exciting and end-to-end game which was as open a game as I've seen at Goodison for a long time let alone a derby match.

Dave Abrahams
210 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:33:36
I enjoyed the game, I thought a draw was a fair result but it could have 2-2, 3-3 but not goalless. Happy with the performance; we let Liverpool know we were there to have a go and not just make up the numbers.

Everton today reminded me of the 1-1 draw at Goodison under Kendall when only a missed penalty stopped us from winning. You could see the makings of a good team that day.

I thought that today, I bet the Liverpool players were surprised at the fight we showed, their supporters did, never hardly heard them and I was up in the Upper Bullens with them.

We are only a striker away from having a good team and better results – and he could be back very soon.

Tony Everan
211 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:34:39
After a bit of research I’ve found out that you do not need to be behind the ball to avoid offside, you can be level with the ball.

So in this instance today the VAR lines should have been drawn from the front of the ball, was this the case?

He may well have been still offside due to his leaning forward but it was close. His foot onside his shoulder off?

Also I’d still like some clarity on the freeze frame selection process and the degree of openness of those decisions for retrospective analysis.

“A player would not get adjudged as committing an offside offence when:

Receiving the ball 'directly' from a throw-in, a corner, or a goal kick or when they are:

Inside their own half of the pitch.

Level with the second-last or last two opponents.

Level with the football or behind the ball.

Not 'actively' involved in the field of play.”

Jamie Crowley
214 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:41:09
Davis West @ 198,

Lately I beginning to wonder if you're not my doppelgänger?

I agree with you far too often these days. Great post, well said.

Frank is the man, he needs time, and he's clearly moving the team in the right direction. Instead of questioning him at every turn, here's a novel idea – get behind him!

Paul Hewitt
215 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:42:31
Last 2 games and 2 goals disallowed, both should have stood.

Game's gone.

Stephen Brown
216 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:42:43
Don't want to go overboard as I know we have not won a game but I feel like we've got our Everton back!

I can relate to the players again and really like them! I particularly like the ‘snides' we've bought. Tarkowski, Coady, Onana, Patterson are all horrible to play against! I love it!!

I think Maupay has that snide in him too. I think he will be a good addition.

Kieran Kinsella
217 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:46:15

Precisely. We’ve had so many years of fragile (physically and mentally) players barely going through the motions. Coleman and Rich were of late the only two with the visible passion of say Cahill or even Naismith not to mention old school heroes. But all of a sudden that’s changed.

Pekka Harvilahti
218 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:47:19
Gana was very good, even if Davies did more than we expected.

Still, it's hard to survive if you don't win the games. We just need a good striker and we don't have one. Calvert-Lewin might take months to recover if he ever finds the touch he had a year ago. Maupay is a good striker but not good enough.

John Raftery
220 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:56:31
Dave (210),

That's a good analogy. After four consecutive draws our position in the table, does not fully reflect the improvement in performances in recent weeks. The squad is bigger, the players are better the mentality is stronger, the playing style is more positive and most of the fans are onside with the team and manager.

I left Goodison today thinking better times are ahead but, with our next game at top of the table Arsenal, we may need to be patient a little while longer.

Stephen Brown
221 Posted 03/09/2022 at 18:56:35
Speaking of available snides...

Diego Costa until January?

Steavey Buckley
223 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:06:56
Although I applaud the great effort put into the game by Everton players, yet again, Everton are still lacking quality in the last third of the pitch.

It's the same situation in the other 2 games, great effort, but only 3 points to show for the last 3 games. Just not good enough to pull away from relegation threats.

Tony Hill
224 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:09:33
Patterson has played 19 senior games. Extraordinary.
Andy Meighan
225 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:10:36
Steavey 223. It'll come mate. I'm pleasantly surprised at how quick we move the ball.

On another day, we could have 2 or 3 albeit, we could have conceded a couple as well.

I'm delighted with the result but it could have been 3 points instead of 1.

Lev Vellene
226 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:12:58
I was very happy with the final result, as it could have easily gone either way! And we got a point that most doubted we could or would get before the game started!

But I will not pick on Maupay for any perceived lack of striker-uberness! The guy was thrown into a danged derby for his first game, for Heaven's sake!!! I'd guess any detractors for the actual game input either only play Fantasy Football, or live in la-la land...

He was lively, missed a sitter (okay) in his first game, could have been the assister for a crucial goal, if the VAR hadn't disagreed...

So, 4 points in a row, with a totally unrecognized lineup from the shambles presented during most of the previous season? I'd say we'll only get more hard to beat from now on, and we'll probably win more than we'll lose!

How many did we lose by more than one goal against us this far?

Geoff Trenner
227 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:15:03
Yes, Maupay missed a ‘sitter' and perhaps a couple of other opportunities but he made a real nuisance of himself and clearly unsettled the RS defence, particularly St Virgil van Dijk.

He is not and will not be a prolific goalscorer but he'll get a few and worry better defences than we saw today.

Let's not write him off just yet.

Jeff Armstrong
228 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:30:41
Nobody is writing Maupay off after one game. He offered a lot more than Rondon, ran his socks off, and was a focal point for the team, decent debut,

It's what £15 million gets you these days.

Steavey Buckley
229 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:36:28
Andy #225,

I hope you are right because the majority of teams in the Premier League have had victories and scored goals. Scoring and winning matches is crucial in building confidence – I am a little concerned about Everton scoring just 4 goals and winning no matches out of 6 games played already.

Robert Williams
230 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:36:47
Perhaps at the end of season, instead of depending on goal differences to decide winners and losers, we should adopt a system where teams are judged by who has the most VAR decisions made against them!
Dave Abrahams
231 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:37:33
Regarding the offside goal, would the ball have gone in if Coady hadn't touched it?
Danny O’Neill
232 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:39:25
That was my initial comment, Dave, but the replay showed it was going wide.

The interpretation of the rule is at fault here in my opinion. Change the rule.

Derek Knox
233 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:40:52
Geoff @27,

I'm with you there on giving Maupay a bit more time to settle in, remembering of course that he has played no part in Brighton's new season games to date (I don't know about pre-season).

Bearing in mind too, he wasn't purchased as a prolific goal-scorer (1 in 4 average) but he came fairly close, and as has been mentioned made a nuisance of himself in their defensive area.

Had he been prolific, no way would Brighton have let him move on, and definitely not for £15M or thereabouts. One thing I can say he appeared to be 'more at the races' than Rondon!

Colin Glassar
234 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:48:16
Maupay was bought for his nuisance value. He's not a natural goalscorer but he annoys the hell out of defenders and stretches them. I thought he was okay for someone who hasn't played for a while.

Just how good did Gana Gueye look when he came on? Cool as a cucumber and very vocal. He's going to make a massive difference to the team.

Tony Hill
235 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:54:59
If only Tom trusted his left foot.
John McFarlane Snr
236 Posted 03/09/2022 at 19:55:33
Hi Jeff [228],

I think that the headline of this thread "Pickford brilliant but Maupay lacks cutting edge" doesn't back your claim.

Now that Alex Iwobi has found his true position, Maupay will have to share the criticism that Tom Davies, Dwight McNeil, among others have been subjected to.

Anthony Murphy
237 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:01:20
No complaints from me today, but if there is one thing we need to practice, it's shooting first time – one touch rather than several.

As for the shite – offside goal was marginal, but the Van Dijk challenge wasn't.

Only a few days ago, they got an additional 90 seconds to grab a winner. That's 2 very contentious decisions in a week.

We should at this point be talking about how a red card left them with 10 men and losing a key player for 3 games. Likewise, Newcastle should have been coming away from Anfield with a well-deserved point, but here we are...

Colin Glassar
238 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:01:40
Tony, if only he had a left foot or right foot for that matter.

I know Tom is popular amongst a lot of fans but I see the poor lad treading water in most games. No one can doubt his commitment to the cause but the game passes him by and he has no influence.

Once Onana and Gana are up to speed, along with Iwobi and Doucoure, Tom will struggle to be anywhere near the first team.

Michael Lynch
240 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:03:10
Gana was a class above everyone else on the pitch in my opinion. Surely he wasn't this good when he left? His spell at PSG seems to have raised his game enormously.

A great derby, and one of the best nil-nils I can remember. I feel a lot better about the season's possibilities now.

Dave Abrahams
241 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:04:10
Danny (232),

Fair enough, a few fans around me at the game were asking that question. I haven't watched the highlights yet but I'll take your word.

Jerome Shields
242 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:05:14
Onano is going to be no understudy for Gueye. He is going to play alongside him.

Also, I thought that he played well alongside Davies and even complemented Davies's play.

Jeff Armstrong
243 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:06:20
Michael @240,

At one point, I screamed for Gana to play it forward to Mbappe, but alas it was Maupay.😁😁

Ian Bennett
244 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:06:53
A little shout out for Iwobi. I can't think of a player that has turned their carear around with us as him.

Keep it going Alex. Him, Onana & Gana look a great mix.

James Flynn
245 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:07:24
Jamie (175),

"Just pile on fellas. Just know your narrative is blind and full of shit. The kid was good today, and he's a million times better than Hamburger Rondon!!"

Good stuff, Brother! Agree 100%. If what he did today is what we're going to get every time, this is a good signing.

Bet Calvert-Lewin is going to be happy having him in the side, too.

Tony Hill
246 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:08:51
Michael @240, he's been playing at the highest level in terms of European competition alongside one of the greatest ever and others of superb quality.

Wonderful to see him back with us having benefited from such an experience - and we have him for a relative pittance.

A great bit of business and I think he could be with us for another 5 years or so given his body type and natural fitness.

Michael McFarlane
247 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:12:55
Is it criticism or critique? The latter is surely fair enough given it's a game of opinions and we all have one (or two!).

Maupay worked his socks off and he did okay today. He ran 11 km – more than anyone on the pitch. The RS knew he was there. But 1 km and a goal would be better. He should have burst the net and I'm sure he'd agree. He's definitely a welcome upgrade, despite the low baseline. Glad to have him as we need him right now.

The question is can he score 15-20 goals this season? Can't see it but would be elated if he can. Totally agree, it's step by step, but (stating the obvious) goals win games and that's where we need to improve.

I know it's a different level but I saw the U23s play last season. Tom Cannon hardly touched the ball and didn't run that much. But he scored twice with one-two touches for each and was impressive. His finishing was deadly clinical. That's what our senior team needs next.

Happy day today – onwards and upwards indeed!

John McFarlane Snr
248 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:16:02
HI Steavey [229],

In a different era, 1958, Everton lost their first six games, scoring 4 goals and conceding 20, finishing 16th of 22 teams, a feat that can be repeated.

Keep the faith.

Tony Hill
249 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:16:19
Plus, we have that other gem-in-waiting, James Garner, to come in.

Thelwell is a stealthy fucker.

Easy does it.

Paul Hewitt
250 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:21:19
Don't want to hear talk of being in a relegation fight. This team won't be anywhere near one.
Jeff Armstrong
251 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:21:29
Good shout, Ian #244,

Iwobi's improvement is possibly due to the manager chatting to him and asking where he thinks he's most effective, listening, and then playing him there for a decent period of time instead of 25 minutes like Ancelotti did!

Also seen a massive improvement in Holgate under Frank and lately Davies, who knows we might be on the verge of something here,

I've not felt this positive about EFC for a long time.

Tony Hill
252 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:21:41
Colin @234,

He played well. I agree with you that he may not be first choice soon because we are assembling a very promising midfield indeed. But you do not give him his due for today.

Sean O’Hanlon
253 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:24:09
Andy (#79),

Pickford did play well today, but there is no doubt this will be followed by his usual clownish mistakes in subsequent games – which will cost us goals.

Colin Glassar
254 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:26:09
Tony, I wish the lad all the best in his career but the MF, which is being formed, will be a tough place for Tom and Allan to get into.
David West
255 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:32:07
Jamie @214,
Well let's hope we can all see the progress, slow sustainable progress is the key. Not the fast track, blow your budget, big-name, big wages, big ego track we took before.

I mean look at Patterson, how good could that lad go on to be? Immense today.

Mykolenko did an excellent job on one of the best forwards in the world with Salah frustrated all game.

Onana looked like the best most experienced midfield player on the pitch. At 20!!!

Gordon always trying to make things happen, not his best match but he's started the season brilliantly.

Add to them, Godfrey, McNeil, Calvert-Lewin and the future is bright.

Then look at Iwobi. What Frank has done with him has saved us £30M, he was nowhere under other managers he's shown that Frank and his staff can improve players. It's going to be a journey worth the wait, IMO!

Tony Hill
256 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:32:54
Do we have a strikers' coach equivalent to Cole for the defence and Frank himself for midfield?

I'm sure Duncan did his best but there must be top notch former players/coaches available. Of course, we do have to have enough strikers to be coached, but I'm sure they'll be arriving.

I hope we're going to find someone to suit as a specialist attacking coach. What's Drogba doing?

Steavey Buckley
257 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:33:54
John #248,

My concerns for Everton this season is that we don't have goal scorers in the team. Since Everton sold Lukaku, they have still not been able to replace him, while spending millions on others.

Lukaku made a huge contribution to the goal-scoring efforts for 4 seasons. His presence clearly helped Everton avoid relegation struggles after the first season, when Martinez took Everton to 5th in the Premier League.

Brian Wilkinson
258 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:51:44
Proud of every single player today, effort and commitment second to none.

Been a long time since I've seen so many leaders and in-their-face attitude, Pickford, Coady, Tarkowski, Patterson, Onana, Maupay, all clenching their fists and rousing the crowd, finally starting to build a team of fighters.

Small steps but certainly promising signs, certainly one of the best goalless derbies I've seen.

Jerome Shields
259 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:52:57
I must have been watching a different game... I just felt that Maupay got in some great positions, was a good focal point and target man, lead the line and worried defenders by threatening to turn them. He also showed good lay-off and passing ability.

Everton have been crying out for this type of forward for years. With the strength shown throughout the team around him he will score as he gets more game time.

This was a Merseyside derby in front of one of the most passionate home support in the country. It was Maupay's Everton debut. He is not only better than Rondon, but also the mythical Calvert-Lewin who appears better when he is not playing.

Lev Vellene
260 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:54:16
Ahh, it's so good to know that Maupay (well, and the VAR) is to blame for us not winning...

And the very first game he's thrown into is in a derby vs Liverpool?

Get real, people!

Danny O’Neill
261 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:55:23
I think what John is saying, Steavey, is that we've been in worse predicaments.

The team and the atmosphere is making me feel confident. I'm confident this squad will surprise a few this season. We surprised them today and kept their usually animated manager subdued.

You don't need me to say it, but the biggest judges are the Evertonians. They will always let their feelings be known and right now they like what they are seeing develop.

Forget results. Forget the league table. It's irrelevant right now.

Credit to Thelwell and Lampard. I'm not naive enough to think it's all sorted. But, for the first time in a few years, we have a plan and a strategy.

First win is coming.

Brian Hennessy
262 Posted 03/09/2022 at 20:59:55
Michael @240 You are right.

Gana is a better player now than when he left us. I saw a lot of him playing with PSG and could not get over how much he had improved the offensive part of his game.

We all know what he can do defensively, but we now have a player that can pick a pass and link-up play. Onana, Iwobi and Gordon are going to move up another level with Gana playing behind them, and I think our days of playing 3 centre-backs are in the past with Gana in the team.

Tony Hill
263 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:05:41
We have to give Maupay full support. He is going to be a canny player for us.

Whisper it but I also see signs that McNeil will come good, he's an unusual player who needs to find himself. It's all about getting the mind composed.

Sam Hoare
264 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:07:04
Encouraged by today. Not many teams will enjoy playing against Gana, Onana and Iwobi in midfield with Doucouré to come on against tired legs.

The defense looks more solid in the main though still caught out for pace by the occasional long ball.

The big concern will be scoring goals but we created some chances today and by winning the ball in midfield or higher up the pitch you always give yourself a chance.

Gordon and Gray should continine to bag a handful each so if Maupay can get 8 and Calvert-Lewin manage 10 or so we should be doing ok as I reckon Tarkowski, Coady and Patterson might all get one or two as well.

We looked better organised and clearly much more mobile around the pitch.

Lampard said after the game that progress does not go from one end of the spectrum to the other in an instant. It's a process and we will not be dominating games and possession for a while. But we are certainly looking hard to beat and, if we maintain that, it should be enough to be safe and hopefully a platform to build upon.

Mark Tanton
265 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:07:24
The number of substitutions made by Klopp showed we had on him on the ropes. He tinkered at half time and they improved, but he was, I think, perhaps surprised with our pace and aggression.
Nick White
266 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:08:08
I was at the game today with my Dad (first game I've been able to attend this season due to my new adopted daughter, who wore her pink EFC shirt for the 1st time today). Great performance, I felt.

This team already makes me feel connected to them in a way I haven't felt since Martinez's 1st season or before. We have leaders, fight and skill! Every player gave their all, but standouts for me were Pickford, Patterson, Iwobi, Onana, Gueye (when he came on) and the solid pair at the back.

Still gutted we didn't win (I have a big bruise coming up from the goal celebration after bashing my leg on the seat in front)!

I'm looking forward to seeing this team perform this season and will be right behind them. Not a chance we will be fighting relegation when the team beds in.


Peter Mills
267 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:08:17
It's hard to describe any derby as “entertaining” as there is so much tension involved. But this was one of the most enjoyable I've been to, a cracking game of footy.

We were very good all over the pitch. Frank and his team have made us tough, resilient, stubborn, it's great to see after years of being pathetic. I agree with all the praise being given to Patterson and Pickford, but Tarkowski was immense, doing his own job whilst talking to everyone else. And from my particular position in the ground, I had a very good view of Mykolenko in the second half, his handling of Salah was excellent.

Irrespective of the accuracy of the minutiae of the offside decision, does anyone really want to be attending a highly emotional event, see a goal scored, celebrate, see the teams gather to kick off, then discover some people miles away are looking for reasons to disallow it? “Look what they've done to our game, Ma”.

A late bright spot of the day was meeting an RS pal in the pub after the match. He was fuming, having been due to win £500 if 3 named players received yellow cards. 2 RS players took him to the brink of claiming the cash, but Anthony Gordon let him down. It almost made it feel like a win!

Finally, a great Evertonian, Ian Cockbain, passed away suddenly yesterday. He should have been at the match with my brother, to whom he was a great pal. Ian was a very enthusiastic sportsman, he would have been pleased with our level of commitment today.

Robert Tressell
268 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:08:43
Just watching some of the highlights again. We were bloody brilliant in patches today.
Jerome Shields
269 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:10:29
Tom Davies continued on his recent good performances and today managed to improve on them. He has played with Gueye before and they know each other game. He played most of the game today alongside Onano.

Both Davies and Onano are box-to-box. Gueye is a great defending midfielder, seems to have added an assured command to his game and the added ability of playmaker.

Colin Metcalfe
271 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:15:03
Well, well, it's been a long time since I read such positive comments – and this is for a draw!

I couldn't get to see the game but so pleased to see we are seeing the making of a solid hard-to-beat team.

Great to hear Gueye had a positive impact, he is class and will no doubt add some real steel to the spine of the team plus a fantastic role model for the younger players.

Onwards and upwards, Blues – can we get that elusive win at Arsenal?

Matt Ward
273 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:28:25
I've not seen this much positivity on ToffeeWeb for a long time, and long may it continue.

The fact that the VAR only works for certain clubs is a disgrace, and West Ham fans must also be spitting feathers after today and it will continue for the foreseeable. Wasn't it brought in to right the wrongs like Frank Lampard's ghost goal against Germany etc?

Marginal offside decisions used to go in favour of the attacking side, but the fact that people's big toe, knee cap or elbow can rule them offside is utterly ridiculous.

The most concerning aspect of the VAR is how varied the decisions are based on the club badge that it will go against. Was Van Dijk's challenge any less of a poor challenge for the yellow given to Allan against the barcodes that was then changed to a red after the VAR has asked the ref to look at again?

Either it works for all teams, or it gets scrapped

Tommy Carter
274 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:30:44
@264, I agree mostly, Sam.

But the majority of teams that visit Goodison will not attempt an all-out attacking game like Liverpool did today. We hit them very well on the break.

Against teams that will sit back and try and counter-attack us, we will require more creativity and intelligence to unlock a tight defensive system. That is our biggest challenge this season – winning the games that we ought to.

Maupay is an astute piece of business I think. He will allow us to play with 2 up top when Calvert-Lewin returns as he is capable of front onto the right or left when out of position. He'll give his all, is a nuisance and knows how to affect a game when the pattern of play is not gifting him chance after chance.

Bill Gall
275 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:35:02
It is difficult to improve on what other supporters have written about today's game, but it did show the difference in the midfield compared to last season.

And to all those supporters who thought we never had a good transfer window, today showed the type of player that we have brought in, that have raised the team to a higher level.

Derby games are always difficult, but one of the qualities you have to show in one is the ability not to back down from the opposition, and Everton players achieved this as a team.

Our league position does not look good but I think the future looks promising and not being involved in Europe gives us a week off before the next game.

Brian Hennessy
277 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:40:45
Does Patterson's performance today mean his loan move to League 2 is on hold?
Alex Bennett
278 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:44:16
I loved everything about Patterson today, perfect mentality and really good play.

Shame he was written off before kicking a ball at first.

Ray Smith
279 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:46:14
Brian 277,

Unless I've missed something, your post baffles me. Our problem will be keeping him.

One hell of a future ahead of him. If I've got you wrong, sorry!

Bernie Quinn
280 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:53:49
Mr Lampard, Thankyou!

In 8 months and one transfer window, you have produced a teamwe can be proud of. My wife and I sat in front of the tv, wearing our respective colours (where were you Christine?), and she actually admitted that Everton were a tad unlucky!

I was so impressed and proud of the lads. That was a great derby game.

In Frank I Trust

Martin Mason
281 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:55:13
The latest couple of windows seem to have given us some apparently marvellous buys – even those by Rafa Benitez. The best improvements though could be two players already on the books who have had a hard time from some fans and that is Tom Davies and Alex Iwobi.

I think Tom is valued highly by the manager, even though it probably means him being taken off for an impact sub in many games. He is far better than some give him credit for.

Alex Bennett
282 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:57:55
Ray @279,

I think it's a reference to when a rumour came out that he wasn't even League One standard and that we had signed an absolute stinker.

It was all unfounded but, at the time he'd hardly played, so just made a few question the signing.

Graham Mockford
283 Posted 03/09/2022 at 21:59:27
In a full-strength XI, I'd have a midfield of Gana, Onana and Doucouré and a front three of Gordon, Iwobi and Calvert-Lewin. Back 5 pick themselves.

That's a Top 6 team.

Ernie Baywood
284 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:03:00
I've never really been satisfied with the science of VAR.

Someone chooses when to freeze play. That's not an exact science and milliseconds matter.

Then there's drawing the line down to the ground. If you look at what they used it's just plainly incorrect. They draw a line from Coady's shoulder and conclude it's about a yard ahead of his right foot. If that was true then, unless he's Michael Jackson incarnate, he would have fallen over before the ball got there. His shoulder is marginally outside his right foot and knee looking at how he's standing.

It's no coincidence that shoulders seem to be off so much. They've got their physics wrong.

Brian Hennessy
285 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:04:07
Just looking back at the game again, I only noticed now what Gana said to Onana and Iwobi when he came on.

"Right kids, you two go up and have fun around that 18-yard box by the Gwladys Street, Daddy will look after things back here."

Brian Hennessy
286 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:09:02
Hi Ray @277,

My comment was very firmly tongue in cheek – after the false rumours earlier in the window that Patterson would be loaned out.

He was magnificent today and has been good all season. Pat Nevin was raving about the kid when we signed him and he has been proven right.

Jerome Shields
288 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:16:54
Graham #283,

Hope you are not basing that on one Maupay debut and one season under Ancelotti, Calvert-Lewin scoring 16 goals.

A top striker in the Premie League, according to Alex Ferguson, needs to be scoring 20 goals a season.

Ray Smith
289 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:28:19
Brian 286 et al,

Re Patterson, all I can say is thank you, Rafa Benetiz, for signing Patterson and Mykolenko.

Otherwise that's all he did for us, imo 👍👍👍

Tony Hill
290 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:30:05
And Gray, of course, Ray @289. Terrible manager, wasn't he? If only we'd kept Digne.
Alex Bennett
291 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:35:23
If we kept Digne, then Mykolenko wouldn't be here. No fault against Mykolenko, he really is looking better and better with every game, but I'd rather have Digne as I think his quality was a step above.

How the Board allowed that sale only to sack Rafa days later baffles me. Incompetence at the highest level, but we don't see how it works on the inside.

Jamie Crowley
292 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:39:11
Sam @264,

Not many teams will enjoy playing against Gana, Onana and Iwobi in midfield with Doucoure to come on against tired legs.

Sam, don't forget our boy Garner! I have really high hopes for this kid, he might foist himself into the midfield mix.

It's been said a lot on this thread, but I'll say it again just for personal satisfaction. I'm really bullish on this squad. We have the makings of a truly good side in the works.

Tony Hill
293 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:39:15
Digne is a poor defender and an arrogant tit, as Benitez identified.
Jamie Crowley
294 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:46:59
Someone above said this, and it got me thinking.

Maupay ran just under 7 miles today. I'm pretty confident a central midfielder runs between 7 and 8 miles per game on average?

That's seven miles run by a center forward / striker!

Not to mention he created chances and almost bagged one?

And we're being critical of that debut in a derby?

Jesus above! Speaking of which, I think some would actually be critical of Jesus himself if Frank put Him up top!

Alex Bennett
296 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:50:14
I thought the whole defense was playing poorly though, so hard to judge him on last season. In fact, everyone was awful apart from Pickford when it was really rotten. I think he was still a good player and looked a good replacement for Baines when he signed.
Mike Gaynes
297 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:51:13
Mystery guest,

I'll take Mykolenko over Digne at this point. Watched them both today against the best competition possible. Our young man was better. He obviously has nowhere near Digne's attacking nous yet, but he's the superior defender, and it's not close.

Jamie #292,

I agree wholeheartedly on Garner, but let's make sure we emphasize patience. Garner has played exactly 8 minutes of top-division football in his career, and it was 3 years ago.

Jamie Crowley
299 Posted 03/09/2022 at 22:56:50
Mike -

Completely agree about the patience with Garner. I just think under Frank he's going to shine.

He was incredibly impressive with Forest when I watched the playoffs. Looked fantastic in my opinion, so I'm just hyped about his future.

But ya, the kid's what? 19? So patience for sure.

Sean O’Hanlon
308 Posted 03/09/2022 at 23:38:13
Just found this article. 6 more to go to equal that record!

"Everton fans may be slightly concerned by their difficult start to the new season, though the current side's plight pales into significance compared to the side of 1994-95.

That season, Everton failed to win any of their first 12 Premier League fixtures, though somehow managed to survive despite four teams being relegated as the division dropped from 22 to 20 teams."

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
309 Posted 03/09/2022 at 23:41:03
As we head towards midnight - we can, to some extent, be glad that Coady's goal was not allowed as we would be still playing now as they strived for an equaliser.
David West
311 Posted 03/09/2022 at 23:46:54
Mykolenko and £10M in the bank. It's a no-brainer we would get £25M for Mykolenko tomorrow. He's got 10 years left. Digne has got 2-3 tops.

What a team player too. Always covering gaps. Seems a bargain now. Just needs that bit of composure going forward but that will come.

Pickford saved us the point today. Top class. If he could only stop kicking the ball into touch, he'd be hard to have a bad word about.

I'll sleep sound tonight knowing Klopp's sat up in bed wondering what he got wrong.

Jerome Shields
312 Posted 03/09/2022 at 23:48:08
Everton fantastic on MotD.

No discussion on VAR decision. Mentioned Liverpool's poor start to the season. Reluctance to give Everton credit.

Michael Lynch
313 Posted 03/09/2022 at 23:52:33
I don't understand the MotD "experts" - they're always banging on about wanting consistency from the refs, but they have absolutely no consistency themselves.

They show the Van Dijk foul from a couple of angles, and it's clearly a red but, without explaining why, they say "Ah, it's a difficult one..."

No, it fucking ain't, boys, it's a clear red, and would be every time.

Jeff Armstrong
315 Posted 03/09/2022 at 00:07:30

Why does anyone think there will be any provenance from it?

More corrupt than Sky.

Jamie Crowley
319 Posted 04/09/2022 at 00:19:01
Don Alexander,

That is absolutely hilarious!

Thank You – that's a great story. Literally laughed out loud.

Mike Gaynes
320 Posted 04/09/2022 at 00:19:30
David #312,

Given how accurate he usually is, I had the definite feeling that Pickford was deliberately kicking the ball into touch for positioning, rugby-style.

Later in the game, especially after Gordon came off, we had Munchkinland up top -- nobody over 5'9". The RS were winning all of Pickford's long balls with ease, and rolling right back down the pitch in waves. At least by giving up throw-ins, he was making them begin from a standing start.

No way to confirm that, of course, but when was the last time you saw him drive five balls over the sideline in one half? To me, it looked suspiciously intentional.

Paul Kossoff
321 Posted 04/09/2022 at 00:19:33
Tom Davies, you fucking plonker. Glory beckons, win the derby against the hated red shite. Left-footed shot into the net? Nope, not for Tom.

You see – despite being a millionaire footballer – he can't kick with his left foot, so he uses his right foot, even though he's completely at the wrong angle to do that. I would have him in five days a week just shooting with his left foot. Tom Davies, you are a fucking plonker!

Saint Van Dijk, you dirty bastard! Trying to break a fellow pro's leg! Klopp stating that he hopes Nunez didn't react to Everton players targeting him! You hypocrite, Klopp! Two-faced hypocrite!

Paul Birmingham
326 Posted 04/09/2022 at 00:32:51
Tony, that's the Premier League in terms of media summed up perfectly.

Carragher, and many other ex-professionals who were ale-house players, do bring the game into disrepute every week via media.

There's a few decent ones working in media, but not many.

Shearer and the Troglodyte on MotD, with Lineker, what a poor showing.

Anyway, Everton is all that counts and Sky, MotD, really don't have any emotional connection for me these days in football terms of the Premier League.


Kieran Kinsella
327 Posted 04/09/2022 at 00:35:05
Naturally, The Mirror have an Everton fan confronting the ref and a bottle thrown at cop as headlines.
Brian Murray
328 Posted 04/09/2022 at 00:43:50
Draw a line well me personally for my mental health forget them and remember that bmd project had to diffuse 12 unexploded bombs. Unlucky for them the 13 th is on the way and ticking loudly. We are back and they know it.
Derek Thomas
329 Posted 04/09/2022 at 00:55:51
First man with plackard out side St Luke's on Match Day; "Jesus Saves."
Second man with plackard; "Young taps in the rebound."

The RS brother-in-law went as far as to admit... it was more than a yellow, probably not a red though... more a very deep shade of orange.

Paul Birmingham
330 Posted 04/09/2022 at 01:01:39
Brian, well in, and our walk around the ground on the 23 July 2022, whilst we won't know ever, what it may or not have caused the Everton Board to do, but perhaps helped ignite the cause to support the Everton squad this season, with the incoming transfers. Time and fate will deliver?

Based on today, it will be with time and history perhaps a baseline to move forward on all levels at Everton and, dare I say, create a new level for football club excellence at Everton.

But today, Everton didn't turn up and to stand off, they got into Liverpool, with no fear, a Spartan approach, and fearlessly they gave their all and showed the Premier League that Everton will be fighting every game this season for the points,


Colin Malone
331 Posted 04/09/2022 at 01:08:53
I cannot believe the comments from above, Anthony Gordon had a good game. Onana, Iwobi, Gueye, plus the goalkeeper and back four did a great job for our club.

I'm in The Paddock and I've seen a lazy bastard who never helped his left-back, just strolling without any direction.

Pull your socks up, Gordon. You're not as good as the media think you are. I've been watching the blues for 50 years, season ticket holder. Without going into detail, Anthony Gordon, you are shite.

David Currie
332 Posted 04/09/2022 at 01:33:44
Proud of the team today, every player in blue did well today. So far I like the mentality of this group of players and points wise we deserve more.

Frank needs time and patience to build his own team but so far think he has a nice balance of youth in Mykolenko, Patterson, Onana, Gordon and hopefully Garner and McNeil.

Also we have Warrington and Mills to hopefully come through next season. We have added 3 good experienced players in Gueye, Tarkowski and Coady. Mid-age players that are hungry and have lots more to give in Calvert-Lewin, Maupay, Gray, Pickford, Davies and Doucouré. The squad is taking shape.

Nick @315, Agree with every word.

Phil Lewis
333 Posted 04/09/2022 at 01:38:44
I believe we will come to regret not selling Anthony Gordon while we had the chance to cash in. The money could have secured the services of a top class proven goalscorer. Still, only time will tell. Let's not be negative, on a day when so many positives were abundantly clear from this performance against allegedly one of Europe's strongest teams.

I thought they all played exceptionally well. Some perhaps more so than others, but there was much to be proud of. With a fully fit squad, we will now be a match for anyone. It's fair to say that they all played their part. If we kick on from this confidence booster today, then we will be climbing the table in no time. It was hard to single anyone out in such a fine display.

I felt a little hard done by for Tom Davies when he was substituted, as he had contributed as much as anyone and was unlucky not to score. But his replacement Gueye, slotted in seamlessly and showed us what we've missed these last years with some classic touches.

Let's get big Dom back and really start blazing a trail now.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
334 Posted 04/09/2022 at 03:05:14
I've got nothing but positive feelings coming out of this match. There's something brewing at this club, and it feels good. The boys came out not only determined but also composed. It never felt like the moment was too big and that speaks well of a pretty young team.

Credit goes to Frank and his crew, as well as the leadership of guys like Coady and Tarkowski. Who knows where Frank will take us, but it sure feels a lot better today than most of the last 5 years, even when we were too half with Carlo.

In response to a few points that have been debated above. Today is not the day to criticize Davies or Gray. Tom not only played really well but he used the outside of his right boot because it was the quickest play on the ball, had nothing to do with not having a left foot. And Demarai created our best chance of the day with that run where he serves up Maupay, and that alone deserves credit where due.

As for the refereeing, VVD was a red card all day long. I'm convinced he wasn't sent off as payback for the Pickford foul on him a few years ago. Finally, whether we like it or not, Coady was offside for as long as we have VAR, which is forever.

Oh, and Pickford was just massive today. Who cares if he screams a lot, that's just his nature. And if he kicks a few goal kicks out of bounds, it's worth it for his shot stopping. He's been our best player for the past year, and any suggestion we should sell him for anything less than £70 million, or really at all, is ludicrous.

Let's take down Arsenal next week!

Pete Clarke
335 Posted 04/09/2022 at 03:21:15
Watched the game in a bar with 3 different games going on. Everton v Liverpool, Old Firm, and an AFL game going on, so difficult to feel the atmosphere of the match but that's about the best and most surprising performance I've seen for a while and I cannot fault a single player as they all did us proud.

The VAR has done us again because, if it's that close and needs looking at for that long, then it's a goal. We just have the wrong name for those pricks who make the decision.

Anyone calling out Tom Davies for not scoring needs to have a close look at that effort because you don't get time to adjust your feet so he took his chance with the outside of his right foot and almost scored an absolute cracker.

Very clear to me that Frank Lampard has a plan and has been drilling the team in training with clear improvements on so many players. Biggest of all improvements is to stop conceding goals and avoid defeat and the wins will come.

Seems wrong to be happy with a draw at home but I can look beyond that given the battle that our boys put up.

Derek Knox
336 Posted 04/09/2022 at 03:21:54
Jonathan @ 335,

I'm in full agreement with your first paragraph, and you are spot on with the air, of not only pure optimism, which most of us have had for far too long without any tangible feedback from the team, but a genuine feeling that Frank is steering us in the right direction. Play like we did today and I believe we won't lose too many matches.

We have a good blend of youth and experience which seem to join together seamlessly. My only cautious concern is possibly the lack of goals that today proved to be the difference between winning and drawing. Of course it doesn't help when dubious VAR decisions deprive you of them too.

I suppose the yardstick will be next week against Arsenal, if we can stop them scoring and possibly nick one ourselves, I believe that will get us well up the Table, and also send a message out that we mean business this season.

Christine Foster
337 Posted 04/09/2022 at 03:46:43
Goodness me.. .I haven't put my heart through that for a few years!

My god, it felt good! Great game of footy, unlucky not to win it, we were the better and more dangerous side as the commentator said (thank you Optus Sport).

I said Gana was wrong to return; I should have kept my mouth shut… stunning level, way above what we have seen in recent years.

I also said this game was the beginning to our season, absolute marker. When you see Everton play like this, you understand why so many of us were hurt and angry about how far we had fallen. I stand by my earlier remarks that we could push for Europa League this season; on that performance, it's more than achievable!

A few points stood out for me:

Pickford – nothing got past him today, world class. Alisson, same.

Maupay ran his legs off but I think he isn't as fit or match fit as the rest of the team; a few more weeks of intensive training will sharpen him up.

Gray almost have an excellent game but his deliveries are random, it lets him down badly.

Defence is going to be awesome this season, as is midfield Onana, that tackle by Van Dijk warranted a red by anyone's standard, it was intentional and should be looked at again by the referees, a disgraceful player in my opinion. I almost think it was Karma the way Pickford crocked him a while back...

Funny but didn't think this was one of Gordon's better games.

Iwobi... there was a player inside him trying to get out for so long. He looks class now.

The trick now will be to give this level of performance to put wins on the board against other teams, but it's reassuring to see that the quality and effort was there in abundance, they looked like a team for the first time in years.

The offside goal? if the ball came off two players at once, it cannot be offside. I have to agree also that a defender leans forward and so does the attacker, this gives an unfair advantage to the defender when assessing the VAR.

It has to be based on feet on the ground or clear daylight between attacker and defender. You cannot split hairs by making the lines thicker or if someone's elbow plays them offside... ridiculous law and stupid interpretation by idiots.

Well done blues!

Bernie Quinn
338 Posted 04/09/2022 at 04:01:04
Thank goodness for your post, Christine. I was getting worried the excitement of the game was too much for you as I never heard you scream!

But as I said earlier, in such a short time, Frank has produced a team we can be proud of. Long may it last.

Steve Brown
339 Posted 04/09/2022 at 04:02:27
Our midfield coverage now is Iwobi, Onana, Gana, Allan, Doucouré, Garner and Davies. Wow, that is a real shift.

Thought having a mobile, hard-working forward on the pitch made a huge difference. Sure, Maupay should have scored his chance but he worked incredibly hard and kept their centre-halves busy.

Kieran Kinsella
340 Posted 04/09/2022 at 04:41:04

Right — as opposed to the perennially injured Delph, Gbamin and of course Gomes. Massive improvement in the new personnel and a massive improvement in the surviving Iwobi since Frank came on board too.

William Cartwright
341 Posted 04/09/2022 at 06:28:05
I was well impressed with Coady's reaction after 'scoring' his goal… Completely ecstatic, then absolutely gutted, and the VAR follow-through.

What did he then do? Pointed to his temples and urged the players to refocus and carry on as we were. Captain material and a leader's response if ever I saw one. Fantastic player.

Jerome Shields
342 Posted 04/09/2022 at 06:38:18
Actually, on reflection, why do I stay up to watch Everton on MotD, inevitability the last match? To listen to Lineker, who has given up trying to come across as a fake Evertonian, and those two know-alls who know nothing.

Liverpool, according to them, have 30 games to improve this season, with no mention of Everton. No acceptance of that clear dirty Van Dijk foul, a definite red and no VAR discussion – afraid to, they attacked VAR left right and centre in previous games.

I never liked Lineker as an Everton p!ayer anyway. A great team was sacrificed so he could become a top scorer. If I am tired, MotD can do one from now on.

Tony Hill
343 Posted 04/09/2022 at 06:58:29
I’ve looked again several times at the Davies chance and still think the natural shot was with his left foot. But it matters not.
Jamie Sweet
344 Posted 04/09/2022 at 07:25:18
I don't think I can give any higher praise to the team than to say that I enjoyed every minute of that.

I thought we were great. We gave them a proper game. We were even taking quick free kicks with minutes to go, which shows that we believed we were good enough to win it.

For their first derbies, I thought Patterson and Onana were fearless, particularly Patterson who was 100% into it from the start. Onana, to his credit, grew into the game after his booking. I think we've got ourselves a real player there.

Even though Davies was decent, Gana oozed class from the moment he stepped on the pitch.

I'm finding Iwobi a joy to watch. So tidy in possession, and tireless running. Iwobi, Gueye and Onana could be quite something.

Last word for Pickford. Not the first time we pick up points due to his brilliance.

Phil Lewis
345 Posted 04/09/2022 at 07:55:11
I walked along Stanley Road in Kirkdale last week, close to the junction with Lambeth Road. How it did my heart good to look down towards the river and see the magnificent structure of our wondrous new stadium, bathed in glorious sunshine, rising from the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey.

Laying in bed last night after watching again on 'Match of the Day', basking in the glow of matching and almost mastering Liverpool in every department. The thought occurred to me that there are distinct parallels in how our team is now growing, along with our stadium, back to greatness, where we rightly belong. We are indeed now 'On the march with Frankie's army!' All the way to Bramley-Moore Dock.

Make no mistake, every Kopite who witnessed our resurgence yesterday will be gutted by the prospect of what is in store for Everton in the next few years to come.

Beware, Herr Klopp, we are on our way back.

Rob Dolby
346 Posted 04/09/2022 at 08:15:09
Our performance was good, every man gave a good account of themselves. The 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 in possession is the way forward.

I thought the game could have gone either way with both goalies MotMs for their teams.

We need to get quality players in quickly to surround Onana as that lad has a serious future in the game.

Over the years, we go into derbies having to face 12 men with the ref generally giving us nothing. Yesterday we had 13 against 11. The VAR is manned by the same incompetent retired refs that we have all had to suffer for years. There is massive bias towards the top teams, the same teams that tried to form their own Super League!

Their left back doesn't get a booking for multiple fouls but Onana gets one for his first foul. Would the red have changed his yellow for Van Dijk if Onana had a broken leg with that studs-up rack down the shin.

The game has gone. Match going fans are being short changed. We pay our money to watch footballers and the beautiful game not to watch an egotistical bureaucratic non footballers ruin the game.

I have to mention the so-called 'friendly derby' is now being treated like an old-school '80s hooligan game by the police. I am in the Park End and could not access and exit via the Bullens. We had to make our way out of one exit for the whole stand which felt totally wrong.

Anyhow, rant over. Coyb

Ian Jones
347 Posted 04/09/2022 at 08:21:25
Apologies, I haven't read all the posts so may have missed similar comments but, in my opinion, Pete @335 sums up Tom Davies' chance with his comment;

"Anyone calling out Tom Davies for not scoring needs to have a close look at that effort because you don't get time to adjust your feet so he took his chance with the outside of his right foot and almost scored an absolute cracker."

Dave Abrahams
348 Posted 04/09/2022 at 08:52:11
Christine (338), “ Funny but I didn’t think this was one of Gordon’s better games” I think you saw it the same as plenty of Everton fans because, to me, Anthony looked knackered not long after the start of the game and he was taking far too long to get back onside after many of the attacks, did he get a knock early on? There was only one man coming off for the second substitution and that was Gordon.

Very surprised nobody else has mentioned it.

Colin Glassar
349 Posted 04/09/2022 at 08:54:35
Great game. Great spirit. Great effort. Now let’s carry that on into the next game or it will all be for nought. We need to be consistent to move up the league table so calm down and carry on.
Rob Halligan
350 Posted 04/09/2022 at 09:18:23
Couldn't knock anyone out there yesterday, each and every one put the effort in. The desire was there in abundance. I said on the pre match thread yesterday that Tarky and Coady could easily wind Nunez up with plenty of sledging that would see Nunez snap and throw the head in. Unfortunately (or fortunately for Nunez) that never happened because Nunez was kept quiet all afternoon except for his shot that Pickford superbly turned onto the bar. When Nunez was subbed Coady had to walk towards the touchline with Nunez still in his pocket and tip him out into the dugout!

Game could have gone either way, with both keepers having stand out performances. However, that dirty vile rat, Virgin Van Dick should have seen red, no question whatsoever, which could have totally changed in the game in our favour. Allan last season had a yellow card upgraded to a red, despite his challenge on Saint Maximim in no way being dangerous, cynical yes, but not dangerous. Just the other week, Kieran Trippier had a straight red overturned after a knee high dangerous challenge on De Bruyne. Both decisions made by VAR during the game, yet it seems that VAR decided not to intervene in that disgusting challenge by that rat. Or did they, I don't know, but normally you see on the screen “Possible red card review for dangerous play”, so I doubt VAR did review it.

As for the disallowed goal, I'm reading one or two comments on here that the ball took a deflection off Milner before Coady put it away. I always thought it was when the actual pass was made which determines if you are onside or not, so in that case was Coady offside, even though Milner touched it, I don't know?

I always say would take a point before every derby, so feel slightly disappointed to have only drawn if that goal should have stood. But then again, we all know why the VAR was introduced into the Premier League, to help the so called big six clubs out, be it to help them hang onto a win, or until they can find an equaliser should they be losing. Look at the disallowed West Ham goal yesterday. If that is a foul by Bowen on Mendy then football in this country is finished. Never in a million years is that a foul. Bowen was trying to jump over Mendy but caught him. Doesn't make it a foul though. Mendy had fucked up with his attempt to clear the ball then pretends to be injured.

Anyway, that's it, apart from one thing………..Loved it when Iwobi took the piss out of Salad with his drag back and turn on the touchline on the main stand side. Salad looked totally gobsmacked!

Neil Copeland
351 Posted 04/09/2022 at 09:25:12
Rob, that’s a good summary and pretty much the way I saw it.

The piece of skill from Iwobi was sublime, one of the best moments of the game. It shows how far Iwobi has come to demonstrate confidence of that level.

Bring on the Arse! (you know what I mean).


Brent Stephens
352 Posted 04/09/2022 at 09:36:04
Mike #321 - well that thought did go through my mind at the time - Pickford possibly deliberately kicking for touch late on.
Brian Denton
353 Posted 04/09/2022 at 09:48:27
I'd just rather we had an easier next game. Arsenal away has been one of the least productive fixtures for us in my lifetime. We even lost there in 84-85!
Brian Denton
354 Posted 04/09/2022 at 09:49:02
I'd just rather we had an easier next game. Arsenal away has been one of the least productive fixtures for us in my lifetime. We even lost there in 84-85!
Jim Lloyd
355 Posted 04/09/2022 at 09:51:01
How on earth VD wasn't sent off for that leg breaking tackle? I can tell meself why he wasn't; that referee was just anothre one in a long list of officials who have one rule for the RS and another for everyone else! VD hit our lad right above the ankle and just below the shin. And those pricks on MoTD were "oh yes, yellow was fair...perhaps amber" Overpaid creeps!

Apart for that. It was great to be sitting in the Upper Bullens and not hearing the RS supporters; right throughout the match and after...nothing. I don't know weather they sang cheered shouted or just shut up. What was great, was that we sang, cheered, roared, booed and generally supported our team through every pass, tackle shot or save!

I'm sure the Reds were unpleasantly surprised, by the game our lads gave them. Everyone of them played their hearts out, we played a lot of good football, looked cohesive and organised. It was a mixture of skill, determination, Character and energy. All those who have been praised on here, deserved it and I agree. However, I just want to make a couple of points about those players who I thought did really well; but maybe didn't get as much as they deserved.

I think Maupey had a good game. His all round play, challenging their back line, sometimes on his own, his link up play, coming back to harry them when they were advancing and his effort throught the match was encouraging. He might not be up to speed yet, but he got in positions to score, at least three times. He was in the right place and the goals will come. I think Gray will be a goal threat theroughout the season and he is excellent on the one twos and crosses.

Overall, we were a team, and that includes the supporters.

Tony Hill
356 Posted 04/09/2022 at 10:00:27
Brian@354, yes difficult but we did win there a couple of years ago with the weird own goal.
John Graham
357 Posted 04/09/2022 at 10:11:03
Great performance from the whole team who never gave an inch and matched them toe to toe.
Iwobi growing in confidence, Patterson absolutely brilliant.
Maupay giving us the extra edge needed in attack and hustling everyone. Yes he did miss a sitter, but his energy helped everyone.
Looks we are developing into a very good team.
Keep it up Blues
Tony Abrahams
358 Posted 04/09/2022 at 10:32:28
I was disappointed with Anthony Gordon’s work rate with regards to trying to get back onside, when he was already in great wide positions, when Everton were on top at times yesterday.

He also snatched at the chance that fell to Maupay, after initially, cleverly pulling himself back, when Grey burst into the box, so maybe the occasion got to him after what must have been a very stressful few weeks?

Maupay, worked hard but I’ll bet you he didn’t get much sleep last night, because he should have won us the game with a nutmeg, after initially showing a great first touch and loads of calmness, before eventually rushing his shot.

Anthony Taylor, so poor, although it can’t be easy for these refs when you consider the power certain managers and teams have? Two things that most people hate though is injustice and double standards, and Taylor definitely proved himself with my second gripe, on more than one occasion yesterday, even waiting until the 96th minute to book Pickford for time wasting, which proves (to me at least) that these refs constantly have each other’s back’s.

This is something that definitely needs to be stamped out of the professional game, and although we were told that we would be able to hear the conversations taking place, between the ref and his mate in the VAR room, at the end of games, has anyone heard such a conversation up to now?

Brian Harrison
359 Posted 04/09/2022 at 10:38:43
Well surely it cant be coincidence that all the VAR decisions throughout the Premier league yesterday all went in favour of the so called big 6. I know many say these refs are corrupt, I just think they are a group of poor refs who when asked to adjudicate will lean towards giving the top clubs the benifir of the doubt as they know that they will get a lot more flack if they go against a top 6 club. I think its called self preservation.

I was reading yesterday that in this window the Premier league has spent £1.9 billion thats more than La Liga, Serie A and the German league put together. Amazing how football has lost all touch with reality, we have fans collecting for foodbanks outside grounds, and clubs are spending these amounts of money. Something has seriously gone wrong with our society when this happens.

Robert Tressell
360 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:01:30
Phil # 345, it will be very uncomfortable for the RS when old fashioned little Everton are suddenly playing at the best stadium in the city with talents like Gordon, Onana and Patterson getting into their prime. Nunez is probably a good signing for them but Mane is gone, Van Dijk is on the wane and Salah will not go on forever. Klopp too.
Stu Darlington
361 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:03:27
Great post, Christine, your comments say it all for me.

I thought Gordon was a bit off the boil too, maybe all the transfer talk has got to him, but he'll be back.

The performance was superb, so different than last season. Different attitude, great work ethic and a desire to get the ball forward quickly showed what we have been missing and why fans were becoming so disaffected.

Pity the occasion was marred by the not untypical behaviour of some Liverpool fans, but that does not excuse the moron throwing a bottle towards Klopp. We definitely do not want kind of behaviour from Everton fans

Brian Murray
362 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:07:08
Brian @354.

I remember being in that clock end for that game in 85. We lost to an iffy penalty (Charlie ridiculous) but then went on an amazing 20-game run to lift the title.

Ian Riley
363 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:10:28
The Premier League is a brand with marketing like no other. World wide media coverage and sponsorship to go with it. Fans want excitement and with that comes revenue. The referees have the VAR and still get it wrong. That shows the standard we have across the board.

Personally, I would have a VAR from abroad. Fly them in the day before and home the next day. This would allow a different perspective and take away any questions about supporting the top 6 clubs in getting big decisions.

Sadly it may look like bigger clubs get the big decisions but pressure and being human can influence decision-making. All I know is the Premier League is entertainment and the brand must deliver.

Brent Stephens
364 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:11:26
Apologies if anybody has already linked to this but a great piece by Jonathan Liew in today's Observer.

Lampard makes his point as Everton fans buy into improved showing

Brian Murray
365 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:12:55
Ex ref Mark Halsey said the referees were encouraged to give the big decisions to the Premier League's big revenue earners. His words, not mine.
Minik Hansen
366 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:21:13
Thank you for the great atmosphere, for the ones that were there at Goodison Park. Great first-time experience, it's another level to see everything in real life, and it happened so fast!

Wonderful people, the Evertonians. Blue taxi drivers all thought I was here to see Liverpool, no thanks, mate, it's all Everton! Until next time, UTFantasticT.

Jerome Shields
367 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:21:45
Maybe I only saw Gordon's surging runs which Liverpool had difficulty dealing with.I didn't notice him below par in other areas.

Maybe the transfer saga caught up with him. He still has to negotiate his new contract with the numpties at Everton, who wanted him transferred. Frank successfully threw a spanner in the works. But it still leaves Gordon wondering.

Pickford was excellent. Even had defenders organised to cover saved rebounds.

Colin Glassar
368 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:22:31
Brent, for far too long, we've been a laughing stock, the butt of endless jokes and snide remarks by the media.

Lampard is slowly restoring our self-respect. Let's just hope it's not another false dawn. COYB!!!

Will Mabon
369 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:31:39
Brent, not a bad piece.

More positive than most media will allow themselves for Everton, even when it's fully justified, but with the obligatory snipe at Lampard's persona (which I absolutely do not see with even a most objective outlook; he's obviously resented in that world for some unknown reason).

Still, any positivity from any of the usual suspects is a step and an indicator, I guess. Btw, it was The Guardian.

Will Mabon
370 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:36:10

Don't know what posts you've made elsewhere 'til I've read everything, but that above is not enough... article on that first visit needed, I think...

Brent Stephens
371 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:37:06
Colin, I think the likes of Jonathan Liew in that article recognise that something is stirring at Goodison Park.

As Liew says, it looks as if Lampard is a manager who is learning his trade, who has made mistakes, but who is prepared to learn from them. Assembling a squad with a balance of youth and experience, grit and guile; a squad with a long-lost and longed-for narkiness. Getting performances (consistently!) out of the likes of Iwobi that we would never have imagined.

Add the quietly-executed football and business nous of our new DoF. All left to get on with it with no interference from others.

Brent Stephens
372 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:39:27
Will, yes, that was a bit strange, the personal comments on Lampard.

It was the Observer I read it in – hard copy. Soft copy is Guardian-linked. Same stable.

Will Mabon
373 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:39:51
Brian @ 365:

No! Surely not...

I'm only surprised he even said it. Corruption runs deep, loyalty to corruption, often even deeper.

Christy Ring
374 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:44:54
Graham #283

I have to disagree with your best XI, Iwobi has shown his best position is where he's playing now, as an attacking midfielder, he's not a winger.

Will Mabon
375 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:45:29
Brent, thanks.

I did wonder after I posted, about standardization and sharing. I've never actually bought a physical newspaper in 30-odd years so am not up with the intricacies.

Let's face it, the whole debacle is essentially one thing anyway. "Easter Bunny" will ring a few bells with some.

Colin Glassar
376 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:52:20
Minik, glad you enjoyed it.

I made my first trip to Goodison when I was 7 years old. It took me so long as my dad, and brothers, was a red and he couldn't understand my choice and was really uncomfortable going to watch Everton. I think once he saw my face (sheer joy and enchantment) he gave up any hope of ever converting me into a Red Shite.

Despite all the pain and disappointment over the last three decades I've never regretted my divinely inspired decision. You either get it or you don't. Like Mike Gaynes, and others, once you've made your first pilgrimage, there's no going back.

Ray Roche
377 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:58:16
Minik, I agree with Will, let’s have a full account of your day out!
Christy Ring
378 Posted 04/09/2022 at 11:59:00
Brent #364,

A very true and accurate assumption, sadly most articles and pundits on Sky, BBC and BT are ex redshites, and have their blinkers on and can only see one team.

Tom Bowers
379 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:01:50
We're not there yet but finally there are signs that this squad is ready to compete with the best after yesterday's performance.

Granted, they rode their luck as teams have to against the attack force of Liverpool but everyone performed admirably and, although it may be unfair to single out one player above the others, I have to say I am so impressed with the advancement of Gordon, Patterson and Iwobi.

Demarai Gray is really showing his speed and Onana looks like a real steal as well as the real deal.

I was hoping for a fairytale debut for Maupay but that only happens to other players at other clubs.

Tony Abrahams
380 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:03:05
I enjoyed that article Brent, but also didn't quite understand the personal attack on Frank Lampard.

I've got up today, and can't shake the notion of why these referees, have already got pre-conceived ideas in their heads. Like the journalist articulates so well, football never leaves us, and that's why it bothers me so much, because these pre-conceived ideas, take away from notion (to me) that the sport is supposedly being officiated fairly, which means that thousands of supporters often feel cheated, every week.

We only want to see a good game of football, and although this was witnessed yesterday, and the draw felt like a fair result in the end, sometimes it still felt like Anthony Taylor favoured Liverpool yesterday, but maybe that's just because I'm an Evertonian? I will speak with one of my Liverpudlian mates tomorrow, and see if he can change my mind!

Gerry Quinn
381 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:03:26
Minik, agree with Ray Roche at 377 - you need to write up your weekend, including the trip from your home in Greenland to Everton and back – would make a great story... I had my return trip in 1971 "ToffeeWebbed" – here it is just for you...

Oh, my, was it really that long ago?

Raymond Fox
382 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:04:57
Just a few extra points from earlier, just imagine if an Everton player had made the same tackle on Van Dijk. It looked a red all day long and it would have been if we had committed it!

Theres no doubt the Top 6 teams get a 10-point lead before a ball is kicked each season.

Iwobi has fast become close to our star player, the lad had a blinder again.

I've already mentioned Patterson, I like Gray also, he nearly always looks dangerous when he runs at the opposition.

I just hope we can miss serious injury to our best players, we are due some luck surely.

The Premier League looks particularly difficult this season, there's little to choose ability-wise from 9th to 20th, so I fancy it's going to be a hard slog.

Ian Bennett
383 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:05:08
A massive police presence in riot gear yesterday. Not seen anything like it. Any ideas why?
Brian Murray
384 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:09:11
Whether Frank makes it here or not, he has a standing in the game and is known worldwide which I'm sure helps us get a player who maybe would choose somewhere else, along with the eye-catching support last season.

Sounds a bit corny but we have to grow with him as besides his in-game management being a bit ropey, I'm sure that will improve with at least a better bench.

Derek Knox
385 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:18:29
Minik @ 366, so, so glad you enjoyed both the atmosphere coupled with a good, but unrewarded performance by our boys. I didn't go yesterday although I did get the slim chance of a Ticket but it was sort of late in the day to make arrangements, and I would have had to cancel other things.

Although I didn't attend and add to the cheering, it's a wonder you didn't hear me shouting at the TV and the injustices, I live in Chester over 20 miles away, from both the RS players and the unbiased referee(?).

I don't know about you, but I felt that this just could be the start of a new era, with our present squad. It's a long time since I saw that desire and passion in a game, along with a good blend of skill, and as I said I believe we deserved all 3 points. How they finished with eleven men too, also a mystery.

A mystery?

What am I talking about?

It was just downright daylight robbery!

Anthony Jones
386 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:21:27
Van Dijk committed a leg-breaking tackle on a young lad who has his whole career ahead of him.

Players might need to start prosecuting each other before the disgusting fouls of the elite clubs are taken seriously.

Dave Cashen
387 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:22:27
About 40 years ago, Alan Harper smashed home a volley against this shower.
It didn't win us the game but his equaliser sent out a great message of hope to all Evertonians.

We could see a team developing. We could see the gulf that had existed between them and us was closing. I remember the feeling like it was yesterday… in fact, I experienced it again yesterday.

I'm not saying we will win the Premier League next season, but I think we are witnessing the laying of foundations upon which a team to compete with the best is being built.

We had our chances. Davies was desperately unlucky. The ball was not passed to him. It arrived at him very quickly from a block challenge a hard away leaving him no chance of adjusting his feet. His improvisation maybe deserved a little more.

I thought Maupay should have buried his. He had time to take a touch and anything either side of Allison or along the floor is in the net. He'll miss other chances too, but his attitude and effort was top class. I was made up with him. He'll get his share.

I was quite satisfied until I made the mistake of watching MotD just now. Listening to Shearer try to claim St Virgil's cowardly tackle only warranted a yellow made me want to throw up.

This lot have done nothing but bleat and whine since Pickford's challenge on him two seasons ago. Pickford is a goalie trained to smother and spread himself and his challenge was clumsy. But RS captain is a defender who earns a living tackling other players. He knew exactly what he was doing. He intended to maim.

I'm not a regular user of the C-word, but I'll make an exception for the Liverpool captain.


Tony Abrahams
388 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:30:03
Before September is out, a player involved in a game officiated by Taylor, or with England as the VAR, will have a player sent off for a similar tackle to the one Van Dijk got away with yesterday, and the people on the television will say the ref got it right. I'd definitely bet money on this.

Yesterday gave me feelings similar to the first ever all-Merseyside Cup Final, Dave, but I'm not going to get excited just yet, especially because football has moved on and there's a lot of strong teams around right now.

Laurie Hartley
389 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:34:51
It was a great performance that - by everyone in a blue shirt. Reminded me of… Everton.

The team has a different mentality now and that is the thing that encourages me so much. I definitely think we are on our way back.

Brian Murray
390 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:38:22
Ian @383.

A massive police presence with riot gear is strange because they are the most humorous and misunderstood fans on the planet. Rather die with our history than live with theirs. Total bandwagon lowlives… fuck 'em. We are on our way back.

Danny O’Neill
391 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:43:26
Dave @387, I've mentioned above, they were at it on BT during the live coverage, explaining why it was a yellow, how Maupay was playing for something when grappled and eventually throttled around the neck before being put to the ground.

Credit to Thelwell and Lampard. Without getting carried away, but in one window, you can see a plan and strategy to building a team.

Enjoyed that article Brent. Thanks for sharing the link.

Martin Mason
392 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:43:27
We must remember though that this is only the start of possibly a long road back to respectability. We must expect many ups and downs and disappointments along this road. Yesterday was an incredible start.
Brian Murray
393 Posted 04/09/2022 at 12:56:24
Martin. We can have a bye over the downs and disappointments. Already got the tee shirt. Onwards evertonians.
David West
394 Posted 04/09/2022 at 13:02:42
Brent good read that article.
But it's an oustiders veiw. Someone who doesn't know what it's like to be a blue.

The reporter is somehow bemused as to why we as Evertionans even bother turning up and supporting our club through what has been some terrible years.
As if we should just support one of the sky 6 as its been so long since we've had success.
The swipes at lampard a bit low. Now he's the Everton manager he's fair game for knocking down a peg 2 by the media. It didn't happen when he was chelsea manager.
In fact the media claimed Frank was harshly treated at Chelsea, yet keeps us up, under extreme pressure, with a terrible squad to call on, with a bad injury list, yet seems they don't want to give him any credit for it, as if it was a given we should of been safe.

When fans who watched us last season know when Rafa left, he left us in utter disarray, totally lacking in desire,effort, discipline or organisation.
What frank and staff have done in a short space of time is immense.
You get the feeling the media are just waiting for him to slip up to jump on him.
Yet they continually support the lego head at villa, this is the narrative that we need to turn in our favour, to create the spirit and togetherness. Frank seems to get it and using it to fire up the players.

Eddie Dunn
395 Posted 04/09/2022 at 13:06:49
Dave Cashen @387. spot-on.
Will Mabon
396 Posted 04/09/2022 at 13:18:30
"A massive police presence in riot gear yesterday. Not seen anything like it. Any ideas why?"

Ian - conditioning.

Soren Moyer
397 Posted 04/09/2022 at 13:34:06
Clinton Morrison and Jamie O'Hara on SSN Sports Sunday on VVD's horror tackle on Onana; "It was 100% a red card".
Duncan McDine
398 Posted 04/09/2022 at 13:38:22
Soren - those two need to watch themselves. That kind of talk could get them “offed” in a Putin kind of way.
Terry Farrell
399 Posted 04/09/2022 at 13:39:40
Super Frank is transforming us into a hard working hard tackling speedy team with quality in possession. Every player had a good game yesterday and 3 or 4 were fantastic. Feels good!
David West
400 Posted 04/09/2022 at 13:50:14
Soren. Those 2 generally don't follow the lead of other pundits and normally have their own veiw of things.
I don't always agree with them but I have respect because they have their own opinions.
They are usually mocked when expressing them if they go against the script. Then their veiws are seen as less worthy as if they are there for some comedy value.
They are the younger generation of pundits who haven't had time to be corrupted yet, give them time they will be broken down like the rest !
Christine Foster
401 Posted 04/09/2022 at 13:51:22
Now, there will be many who will disagree with my following comments, some might even be Evertonians, but I make no apologies.
The tackle was a deliberate attempt to put Onana out of the game. Premeditated, intentional and with malice.
I thought perhaps it was just late, but having watched it several times, the ball is well gone BEFORE he moves to tackle. He actually aimed at an area a foot off the ground.
So, no VAR review. Yellow card, why was it not reviewed? It was immediately reviewed in the live TV coverage and all said they would not have been surprised if a card was red.
We see this player deliberately targeting specific Everton players, the James tackle springs to mind.. Onana was running midfield and had to be stopped. Frankly, accident or not, Jordan Pickford deserved to take him out, and I will allow a slight smile when someone, somewhere does a job on him. It's gone on too long.
Rob Halligan
402 Posted 04/09/2022 at 14:01:20
Christine, that derby game two seasons ago should have seen that dirty vile rat sent off for three cynical challenges, two on DCL and one on James, all three of which came in the first ten minutes of the match and all worthy of a yellow card. Very ironic then, that he finally went off around the eleventh minute, with an unfortunate (😂😂😂😂) injury never to return to a football pitch again that season. He’s a scumbag with previous history of the kind of challenge we saw on Onana yesterday. How VAR did not advise Taylor to go and review that challenge is beyond relief.
Neil Copeland
403 Posted 04/09/2022 at 14:04:05
Actually I think our revival started against Leeds where we played very well in the most part. Yesterday we ratcheted up a notch and looked even better for it.

A long way to go so trying not to get carried away but like Dave Cashen, I had the same thought yesterday as I did in 1984.

We are definitely on the way back, need to keep it going, the players fit and the fabulous support booming!

Tony Hill
404 Posted 04/09/2022 at 14:05:10
He's a smug media creation, Christine, and a nasty piece of work indeed. You are right, I think he intended to do serious harm.

Hilarious when he turned up for our 2-0 win at Anfield, expecting that Justice Would Be Done.

He's in decline anyway. Like a few others in that side - pleased to see the Rat Robertson all over the place.

We don't need to dwell on them. We're defining ourselves.

Andy Meighan
405 Posted 04/09/2022 at 14:05:13
VAR is going to ruin the game if it hasnt already.
As someone pointed out earlier, no coincidence that the calls all went in favour of the big clubs.

Its bent as anything, their centre half with that tackle. If thats the other way Onana and I know hed been booked, walks.

were going to have to bite the bullet because it wont get better itll get worse, because theyve got a brand to protect, and they wouldnt like to upset the market in the Far East etc.

Remember that line from Richard Scudamore when Leicester were going for the league. Itd be better for the brand if United won the league. Shocking, the irony was Spurs were their nearest challengers.

Mike Corcoran
406 Posted 04/09/2022 at 14:08:05
Great to see Gana back where he belongs. He has the quality to transform our play, protect our team and allow Onana to thrive. Hopefully he’s got a good 2 years left at full tilt given how fit he looks still. Will we be seeing the 2 with Garner central, Iwobi, and Gordon wider, playing behind whoever we can rustle up as centre forward? The blues are coming back. Think we can sneak a win at Arsenal if we get right in their faces.
Derek Thomas
407 Posted 04/09/2022 at 14:08:53
No disagreement from me Christine, everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

Our performance was excellent, but we have to back it up with more of the same, with some wins to get points on the board.

You're only as good as your Next game.

Andy Meighan
409 Posted 04/09/2022 at 15:10:25
Probably spot on there Paul. 2 goals chalked off in a week, the one at Leeds was ridiculous. Yesterdays was questionable. Any top 4 side is getting one of them.

And Christine ill tell you why it wasnt looked at. Its because it was Them. Could you imagine Bingo if that lanky streak of piss had been sent off, there would have been questions in Parliament. Knocks me sick.

Oliver Molloy
410 Posted 04/09/2022 at 15:20:30
Having watched the game twice and this particular tackle a right few times, it is 100% for me that Van Dijk knew exactly what he was doing and the intension was to put our fantastic young new midfieder out of the game and for some time.
Dirty fucker who has been getting away with these type of tackles for years.

What really annoys me more is having just watched match of the day, none of them thought it was a red card, or more important had the balls to tell the fucking truth.
Is Shearer really trying to tell us if that tackle had been made on their new stiker Isak on Weds he would have said the ref got that right - no chance -, absolute cowards and corrupt shower of fuckers.

And then there is this fucking idiot
"Speaking to BT Sport, Walton claimed: “The threshold on that one if there’s any force used against the foot it’s a yellow card. If the force is used to the shin it could be elevated to a red card."
Is he fucking blind.
VAR decisions on these offside decisions because of a fucking elbow or whatever has to be looked at.

Christy Ring
412 Posted 04/09/2022 at 15:40:05
Listening to the so-called top pundits, they all think Van Dijk is a god, untouchable, it was a leg-breaker all day long. What if Onana wasn't wearing a shin pad, it would have broken his leg, instead of his boot sliding down his leg. I also believe BT is even more biased than Sky for the Redshite.
Colin Malone
413 Posted 04/09/2022 at 15:58:14
Referees should be referees only. VARs should be VARs only. Also team colours should not be shown on the VAR screens. It's getting more corrupt than ever.

Also, Referees and VARs should be interviewed after each game.

David West
414 Posted 04/09/2022 at 16:17:20
The VAR system has just moved the responsibility from the ref on the pitch to another ref sitting in the office. It's still a ref making the decision, it's still left to interpretation and it's still a human making human errors.

It's billed as technology to change the game but it's not like the goalline technology, which is definitive.

I like the idea of having a ref who is not watching the match but when var is called for it is presented to them in a simulation style, so no team, players or stadium is shown it is an anonymous decision. They would not know which team or players are affected by the decision.

Sky, BT and BBC all already have and use this technology. It's already used for the over the goal line decision.

A trial would be interesting, to see if the refs are affected by the teams, players or what's happened in the rest of the match.

I am pretty confident a lot of decisions would go differently if these refs were not under pressure of the money, enormity and repercussions of their decisions.

But surely this is not what the clubs who benefit would allow, an even playing field??

Christy Ring
415 Posted 04/09/2022 at 16:33:59
The FA treat referees like prima donnas, untouchable.

Look at Mike Dean's wrongful decision that cost Chelsea against Spurs. Tuchel got fined for questioning the decision, and Dean wrote in his column in the Daily Mail, which he gets paid for, he made a mistake. You couldn't make it up.

I say it again, look how professional the Rugby Union officials are, treat the players with respect, decisions that go to the TMO are discussed with the ref, the captains, players and the fans can hear everything, and the decisions are 100% correct, and take less than a minute. But the FA are too arrogant to follow their lead.

Dave Cashen
416 Posted 04/09/2022 at 16:45:40

"Is he blind?"

I doubt it, mate, but those Sky blinkers really do seem to restrict the vision.

Meant to say earlier. If that Patterson thinks for one minute that he can swan into this club and win the hearts of the faithful in the same manner Seamus did... he isn't half going about it in the right way!

Paul Birmingham
417 Posted 04/09/2022 at 16:50:22
Christie, zackly, the media are bringing the game into disrepute every week, and there's very few of the pundits I have respect for.

MotD, will be getting a low priority now, you can't make it up.

Fuenes got sent off at our old ground for a very similar tackle 5 years ago.

I'd love to have a live debate with these pundits, who reckon they are the oracles on all matters football.

Young players seeing the Dutch clogs tackle from yesterday will see its as allowable.

But the reality is the Premier League is pro-media and is seemingly unaccountable for the quality of the VAR, and is driving a culture of shithouse referees on the whole, who won't take responsibility in a match.

For me, it's killing the game and the spontaneity is gone. The Premier League could easily afford to have a VAR at all grounds rather than at a control hub in Stockley Park.

Now for Arsenal and hopefully Everton can start with the team which finished the derby.

Kevin Molloy
418 Posted 04/09/2022 at 16:54:56
It is very coincidental how Van Dijk is so clumsy with our key players, no matter what position. He should really be marking our forward, but found himself so out of position in his clashes with both James 2 years ago, and Onana yesterday.

Two gratuitous challenges, it's not an exaggeration to say James was never the same player afterwards. The other thing they have in common, he puts his whole weight into the challenges.

When he 'accidentally stepped across James, and when his motion 'accdientally took him right over Onana. The ball was nowhere to be seen. When you compare that to the totally accidental clash with Pickford and the hullabaloo which still follows it to this day,

Kevin Molloy
419 Posted 04/09/2022 at 17:00:47
So great to have a proper midfield.

I think that's been the worst thing about the last couple of years, buying players that we thought were going to be great, and they were so offing bang average ie Allan and Doucoure. and we weren't buying potential with those two, we paid good money for them to be oven ready.

And for many games, they were crazy bad. Allan flying into tackles and leaving the whole field behind him, Doucoure, just losing fifty fifties with players half his size..what a nightmare. Thankfully that's all behind us now

Bill Gall
420 Posted 04/09/2022 at 17:04:30
On the stream I watched, the pundits were Michael Owen and Leon Osman. and though both were of the opinion that what the referee saw of the Van Dijk tackle was on the foot and ankle but said if it had gone to the VAR, like it should have, they would not have been surprised if it was changed to red, so why was this not looked at by the VAR?
Nick Taylor
421 Posted 04/09/2022 at 17:16:19
Great effort by the team and, dare I say it, do we have the best full combo on our hands since the halcyon days of Gary Stevens and Pat van den Hauwe as I see similarities.
Paul Birmingham
422 Posted 04/09/2022 at 17:26:05
The VAR aside, and like COVID, it's here to stay, great hope and promise as Frank and his team are building strong foundations for this season..

George Cumiskey
423 Posted 04/09/2022 at 17:29:31
Christine you sound like a bit of a hitman/woman there 🤣🤪😜
Oliver Molloy
424 Posted 04/09/2022 at 17:32:25
Bill, the VAR does look at these tackles, it was up to them to have a word in the refs ear - in yesterday's case it should have been "You'd better go and have a look for you have fucked up with the yellow'.

The VAR is proving to be a disaster and, instead of making the game better and fairer, it is killing the game.

Bill Gall
425 Posted 04/09/2022 at 18:16:48
Thanks, Oliver, But it's a shame that the VAR will not ask a fellow referee to look at a mistake he made.
John Boswell
426 Posted 04/09/2022 at 18:36:39
Paul @321,

I have a different view of Tom's snap shot.

Tom clearly felt that he didn't have time to take a touch to put the ball on his left foot, so elected to hit the ball with the outside of his right boot. Nearly became a hero.

If he had opted to take the touch, he would have been crowded out and the chance would have been snuffed out. Just my take on what I saw.

Still, we have a team on the up and when the goals start coming Everton will climb the table. COYB

Christine Foster
427 Posted 04/09/2022 at 19:00:25
George, Everton are family, you hurt them, you hurt me. No righteous indignation, just cold disgust.

40,000 family members reached down and offered their hand to Onana on the floor..

David West
428 Posted 04/09/2022 at 19:12:52
For first time in a good while, I'm actually looking forward to the next few games. I know they are tough games, but they don't come much tougher than Turkey Teeths team.

We know we can give anyone in the Premier Leauge a game now. It's a benchmark.

Onwards and upwards.

Mike Gaynes
429 Posted 04/09/2022 at 19:21:17
John #426, agreed. It was one of the best instinctive moves I've ever seen Davies make, and it's damned shame it didn't come off.
Brian Wilkinson
430 Posted 04/09/2022 at 19:22:32
Anyone seen the Frank Lampard interview on I am assuming lfc tv with the microphone having that on.

Even they asked the question, what do you think of the tackle on Onana, which seemed to suprise Frank, he responded by saying, I have not been asked about that by anyone else, you are the first, then replies it’s a Red card.

Yet with the witch hunt for over 2 years on Pickford by the media, not one of them asked Frank the question about why var did not advise the ref to have another look.

And that my friends are what we are up against, a corrupt var to help the big boys, and a media that will not dare go against the big teams, but will openly stir trouble and even end up Pickford receiving death threats, all because of a daily media campaign against Pickford, yet the silence on vvd is deafening.

One final note, after all the 8 minutes drama of the Red shites winners in midweek, the ref covered his back, by booking Pickford in stoppage time, should they again get a late winner, after the additional add on time. He then has a get out of jail free card on the Pickford booking.

We stuck it up them yesterday, every single player should hold their heads up high, brilliant performance and effort.

We may have been screwed over, but the Green shoots of recovery are there, once we get Calvert -Lewin back in, I see a strong team there, Deffo on the way back.

At last Everton have got their identity back, bit of patience guys, we are getting there.

Kieran Kinsella
431 Posted 04/09/2022 at 19:41:29
John & Mike,

Agreed. It shows his confidence is up. Remember a year ago he had a much easier chance and more time and elected to pass to the offside Mina.

I did get annoyed with his lack of pace and ball control once when Gordon played him through and he lost it. But in terms of his very limited ability to play football, he is currently maximizing his potential at the moment.

John Boswell
432 Posted 04/09/2022 at 20:07:21
I do not have a subscription to Sky or BT, my football is limited to terrestrial TV, or YouTube clips.

I have stopped watching MotD because it has become so vanilla. The talking heads are so inconsistent and biased that they have turned me off. The show producers are way too timid, sadly, to highlight the inconsistencies in refereeing, VAR and the EPL / FA.

Christine Foster
433 Posted 04/09/2022 at 20:47:59
David Tennant in an episode of Doctor Who once showed how he could finish a career with one phrase, whispered not shouted. When talking of a Prime Minister he whispered into someone's ear, "Doesn't she look tired?"

Yesterday post-match, in a throw-away comment, a commentator said of Virgil van Dijk, "He is nowhere near the player he was before his injury, he never recovered."

He is playing on a flawed reputation that will end in ignominy, in a cesspit of his own making, wait, he is there already...

Brian Wilkinson
434 Posted 04/09/2022 at 21:25:28
At least Van Dijk got to play again, Christine, which is more than what can be said about Geoff Nulty.
Tony Everan
435 Posted 04/09/2022 at 22:27:44
John, Mike, I agree about Davies's shot.

An instinctive first-time hit just a few centimetres away from a goal. On a few other occasions, we had chances but took one touch to set it up, then it was snuffed out or saved. Tom's not an attacker but that was good play from him there.

I'm hoping Frank can drill into Maupay and our other forwards the importance of one-touch finishing and practice it as it gives the goalie no time to adjust. With regards this, I hope Calvert-Lewin comes back in his Carlo / Inzaghi form; I think the service will come to him if he does.

Mike Price
436 Posted 04/09/2022 at 22:50:11
Just rewatched to see what everyone was on about regarding Iwobi being fantastic! Sorry, I don't get it, he was bang average and did nothing above basic.

If we can sell him back to London in the next window without losing too much money, do it!

Brian Wilkinson
437 Posted 04/09/2022 at 22:52:50
Think you need a trip to spec savers Mike, either that or I do.
Mike Price
438 Posted 04/09/2022 at 22:56:14
What did he do to get the plaudits? I’d love to see it but it’s just not there.
David Currie
439 Posted 04/09/2022 at 23:01:33
Mike 436,

Why would we want to sell a young, hungry performing midfield player who is on the up?

Midfield has been an area where we have lacked for many years. Alex along with Onana, Gueye and hopefully Garner bring great energy and talent which should improve us.

Ben King
440 Posted 04/09/2022 at 23:02:57
Mike #436,

Not sure if you're just being controversial or not but if not…..Iwobi moves the ball forward. He retains possession. He's strong in the challenge. He sets up play. He's become an all-action sensation.

His next step is to add goals (5–10 a season) to really become top class.

If you've ever played the game then you'll notice how he closes players down, accepts the ball under pressure (without losing it), tries to play forward, provides a screen when the opposition have it.

Sounds patronising but it's really hard to explain if you can't see it (as in it's pretty obvious). But then if you don't play the game then maybe not (that's the only explanation I can think of if you're being genuine).

Mike Price
441 Posted 04/09/2022 at 23:13:24
Ben #440,

Not played professionally but did play for England U19s and semi-professionally.

I really want to get on board with this Iwobi love-in because I love Everton but I'm just not seeing it at all. It's like the Emperor's New Clothes to me.

Scott Bennett
442 Posted 04/09/2022 at 23:23:18
After watching a replay on the big screen as opposed to my phone, immediately after Davies took his shot, it looked like Van Dijk stood on Tom's ankle. I looked at it a few times and to me it was pretty obvious, especially the behind-the-goal angle.

Onwards and upwards!

David West
443 Posted 04/09/2022 at 23:27:14
Mike 436 are you Jurgen the German at the bollocks??? (YouTube it if you don't remember)

Iwobi has the most passes in the Everton team this season. He made the most passes in our team yesterday. He's making us tick, running his heart out, tackling, intercepting, tracking back, playing forward.

Our most improved and consistent performing player this season and for a good chunk of last season.

I'm one of many who doubted he could hold down a place in the team; I hold my hands up. I thought he would be another big contract weighing down the club while not playing.

But credit to the lad and credit to Frank for getting the best out of him.
I think he's improving still too. He's playing where he's always wanted to, but never got the chance. The more he plays there, the better he will get too IMO.

You are entitled to your opinion, Mike, but I have a feeling you are watching a different player to me.

Laurie Hartley
444 Posted 04/09/2022 at 23:28:25
The papers are full of talk about controversial VAR decisions today but nothing about Van Dijk's potential leg-breaker on a 20-year-old newcomer to the Premier League.

Van Dijk should hang his head in shame for this. Everybody who has ever played the game knows what this is:-

Over the top

Derek Thomas
445 Posted 04/09/2022 at 23:32:01
I would say that Van Dijk would fit right in with that cowardly twat Revie's Leeds of yore, but that would be doing those dirty, cheating, snidey, shites a great disservice.
David West
446 Posted 04/09/2022 at 23:39:40
Ben 440 spot on mate.

I believe Gana and Onana will give Iwobi the chance to affect things a bit further forward this season. Hopefully meaning he will end up with more goals and assists. He is the one who can play through the lines. He sees the passes that others don't. Probably our most technical player.

If Frank can do this with a player who, let's face it, most of us had written off, maybe we shouldn't write of Tom Davies either just yet. Frank obviously trusts Tom, more than he ever did Gomes, and even Allan it looks like too.

Mike Price
447 Posted 04/09/2022 at 23:47:53
David #443

I'm not a statistics watcher, players can play 10 quick passes to each other, under no pressure, just to improve their stats. Midfielders can play safe and keep possession rather than attempt a killer pass.

I think I can recognise a good player and an overrated one.

Danny O’Neill
448 Posted 04/09/2022 at 23:50:01
Interesting Mike. I have been one of those who, although frustrated with Iwobi, could always see a player in him and wanted that player to come out.

I often said one of his virtues was that, as much as he confused himself and our players, he was that unpredictable that he equally confused the opposition.

Since Lampard came in, he has definitely grown in stature and confidence. If you watch him closely, he has a knack of retaining possession in tight spaces, winning the ball back and recycling as well as wanting the ball. He is an asset if he has confidence and belief.

Like a lot of our players, he is now comfortable on the ball and wanting the ball. He and they are not afraid of the football.

The Alex Iwobi I have watched since January is a very different one from the lost soul I watch prior to that in his Everton career. He is an asset to the team.

Mike Price
449 Posted 04/09/2022 at 00:00:27
Danny #448,

I hope you're right, but whenever I watch him I feel I'm hoping for something positive but fearing mediocrity. I've honestly not seen a thing that changes that apart from a bit more effort than when he was getting slated by everyone!

I don't think you'd get a long line of clubs willing to pay what we paid for him, despite the hyper-inflation in transfer fees.

Tony Byrne
450 Posted 04/09/2022 at 04:01:44
Hello Mike P,

Some stats from yesterday's game:

Touches - 47

Shots - 1

Successful passes - 32

Successful forward passes - 22

Successful attacking third passes - 11

Chances created - 1

Pass accuracy - 86%

Recoveries - 7

Clearances - 3

Successful tackles - 1

Them stats are not bad against the best team that ever walked this earth according to the shitbag media.

Alex is no world beater by any stretch, by god though Frank has turned him into a very vital cog in our midfield, a turnaround of major proportions for what we have witnessed since his arrival from Arsenal.

If you haven't noticed his passing ability improve under frank, or his ability to make space & play the ball forward (against Leeds for Gordon's goal) then I think you might have to watch past games before Frank & his coaching team rocked up.

I've seen the difference, it may just be me.

Jonathan Oppenheimer
451 Posted 05/09/2022 at 05:50:08
To add to the support of Iwobi, I hoped to find one of those videos that showed every one of his touches from a match this year. I couldn't find one from this season, but check out his performance below in last season's huge 1-0 win over Man Utd.

I'd add to what everyone else has said about his vision, composure on the ball, and pace that not only is his workrate incredible, but he never dives, never complains, and goes about his business in a humble way that belies his tenacity.

I'd also echo the comment above about how he's had so little time to play the central midfield position that he's always known is his best and that he plays for Nigeria. If he keeps this up all season, I have no doubt the top clubs will come calling with at least £40-50 million on the table.

I'm in just as much awe with his turnaround as everyone else. He's clearly a confidence player, too, and now he's got it.


Alan J Thompson
452 Posted 05/09/2022 at 07:08:15
I think Iwobi has improved since moved more centrally as he has the ability to lay it off or beat a man in tight spaces and when he has time/space runs forward at pace with the ball and occasionally veers a yard or two diagonally, aiming his run at the space between the opposition,to pull somebody out of position.

Someone, who thought he knew more than others on football, stated that I didn't understand when Coleman,not under pressure and with time, in our own half (not far off the halfway line) looked up then gave it to Pickford and ran forward.

By moving with the ball it creates space or he carries it forward towards the opposition penalty box, Onana looks to do the same and it's something that has been missing may be as far back as James, it creates space by making the opposition commit and maybe give them less time to get organized.

Gordon and Gray can do it further forward, and we're told McNeil also, which gives us so much all over the park especially if our striker can keep the central defenders occupied.

Apologies if anyone thinks I'm teaching them to suck eggs.

Steve Shave
453 Posted 05/09/2022 at 07:55:53
I haven't had chance to comment since the game. Having read many of the posts above though, I'd like to firstly express some praise for Frank and the team for a gutsy, energetic performance.

Special shout out to Pickford, Patterson, Iwobi and Onana. Maupay grafted, I would say to those already writing him off, this is his first game of the season and the guy ran his arse off for us.

I talked about 'green shoots' after Brentford, again after Leeds, now I can see something emerging which might even resemble a football team. It's been a long time.

I would however suggest a little caution for those who are now claiming we are Barcelona. I often go on and on about our unrealistic expectations fuelling our perpetual disappointment which translates to the players in toxic negativity.

I for one am nurturing a feeling of optimism we may actually be able to compete this year, I will however be trying to temper that and replace it with a realistic sense of what might be possible. I will take a cup run and mid-table mediocrity if there are continued signs of development. That would be progress.

Onana, Patterson, Myko, Garner et al are going to get better and better and are all young. They need time, patience and our support.

Manage your expectations, guys, and if we stay behind Frank and the team, we might raise a few eyebrows this season. Now for that first win. COYB.

Tony Everan
454 Posted 05/09/2022 at 08:22:10
Scott Bennett 442,

I noticed that Van Dijk missed his tackle on Davies and his foot landed into his ankle joint, just after Tom had fired his shot.

This is a poorly timed tackle and a foul in any other part of the pitch. On Saturday, it just goes completely unnoticed, unpoken of, not an issue for anyone.

If Darwin Nunez or Luis Diaz was the recipient of that from Tarkowski, they would be rolling on the floor with their hand in the air, demanding attention from the ref and the VAR.

I've seen it before, it's an in the box oddity, if the shot gets away, any foul after it gets brushed aside as irrelevant.

Paul Cherrington
455 Posted 05/09/2022 at 09:10:44
Great performance from the team at the weekend and hats off to them for putting in a gutsy, skilful and committed display. Considering our recent overall history in derbies and Liverpool's current status as one of the top Premier League sides, a draw is a decent result and another point on the board.

We are still winless though and that needs to change asap. Good performances are not enough on their own.

I fear our lack of cutting-edge and no clinical goalscorer currently will continue to be our undoing. Maupay is not the answer – his stats and chances missed over the last few years show that.

The club should have moved heaven and earth to sign a proven goalscorer to give us a cutting-edge before the window shut. Big mistake to not do that and could cost us points.

We cannot afford to put all our eggs in one basket and assume DCL will be back soon, stay fit, and find his form quickly. Dangerous game to play if none of that happens. Bit like when we wrote a large portion of last season off on players coming back from injury to save us and because we had games in hand that turned out to be not much use.

The other major issue that came up again at numerous games over the weekend (including ours) is how shockingly bad referees are currently and how rubbish the VAR is. Something needs to be done about this before it kills the game.

Time to ditch the VAR as a failed experiment and tackle the inept standard of refs. Refs were better when they were amateurs years ago – not sure how they can have got so much worse since turning professional!

Make them accountable, make them available for interview after games to explain decisions, get more ex-players into it who know the game and stop making refs god-like figures who cannot be criticised. They should be shown respect but that does not mean they are beyond criticism.

Roger Helm
456 Posted 05/09/2022 at 09:19:28
Maybe we are heading for a re-run of the Moyes years; a solid team of well-motivated grafters, a good goalkeeper, but not able to progress beyond mid-table for lack of a reliable goalscorer.
Rob Dolby
457 Posted 05/09/2022 at 09:32:32
Mike Price @ various above.

What do you want Iwobi to play like?

We are all frustrated by the obvious lack of goals and wins this season but that is a team and manager problem.

He is given the role of closing down, winning back possession and keeping it simple. Without doubt the biggest turnaround in form that I can ever remember of any Everton player.

I am not saying he is a frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard or Paul Scholes but he is better than anything we have and must be one of the first names on team sheet.

Brian Harrison
458 Posted 05/09/2022 at 09:42:48
Roger @456,

I think the majority of years Moyes teams were better than mid-table, but I take your point that the lack of a top goal scorer made a big difference. That's why Martinez was successful early on when he got Lukaku in and had Moyes's solid defence to rely on. But his attitude to drilling his defenders and working on defending corners cost him his job.

While I was not enamoured when Lampard plays 5 at the back, hopefully with signing Gueye he will now play 4-3-3. They looked much more comfortable playing that system, and I think Onana in a forward role will help enormously.

I think it was asking the impossible in one window to go from a relegation team to a mid-table team, but I am more positive now than I was a few weeks back of avoiding being back in the Bottom 3.

Despite all the improvements the new signings have made, we still look like a team with very few goals and everybody knew Maupay wasn't even in Lampard's thinking a fortnight ago but he was forced into the move when his other options weren't available. I have read Brighton supporters saying he works very hard for the team but misses too many good chances, which was highlighted again on Saturday.

I am also not convinced the return of Calvert-Lewin is the answer to our problems. No team can rely on just the striker to score goals, that's why Richarlison was invaluable with his goals from the flanks. Now if we had this team with Richarlison and a top striker, then that would be something to be excited about, but that ship has sailed.

I just hope we can find enough goals in this team to keep us away from the relegation zone. Yes, there are many positives in this squad but goals win games and, even with the improvements, this is the one area that is sadly lacking in this squad.

Robert Tressell
459 Posted 05/09/2022 at 10:12:18
For perspective, only two players scored more than 20 goals last season and only 5 players scored more than 15.

Calvert-Lewin got 5 in 17, being unfit for many of those appearances and often playing in an awful team. He will probably get about 15 this season if he plays about 30 games.

I think the strategy this season is that Calvert-Lewin, Maupay, Gray, Gordon and, to some degree, Iwobi and McNeil share the goals between them.

The latter two have by no means been prolific but, in a good team playing a 4-3-3, they can and will contribute.

Top 10 this season, properly competitive for Europe next.

Dave Abrahams
460 Posted 05/09/2022 at 10:19:08
I can understand why Mike Price still has his doubts about Iwobi.

Yes, Iwobi has improved enormously in the last few months and is at the moment an asset to the team with his energy and improved play but, when it gets to the final third of the field, then he doesn't take control and responsibility, is too eager to give the ball away rather than use the space and have a shot on goal.

He's proved he can score but still doesn't have the confidence to take control and use the ball in the penalty area. His energy is used to intercept the ball, he will never win many 50-50 tackles, he still shies away from fighting for the ball.

You can't have everything and he is worth his place. Maybe if he watches Gana, he will learn how to really get stuck in and tackle for the ball but I doubt he has got that in his locker.

Clive Rogers
461 Posted 05/09/2022 at 10:20:22
Brian, 458, agree with what you say.

We have scored 4 goals (1 own-goal) while the Top 4 teams are all in double figures. Of particular concern is midfield where we will be lucky to accumulate 5 all season. We can not rely on just one striker to provide all the goals.

Richarlison was brilliant for Spurs on Saturday. He looks a better player with better players around him. Their front three are capable of scoring 40 goals in a season. Maupay doesn't look to be the answer.

Joe McMahon
462 Posted 05/09/2022 at 10:22:45
Robert, you may well be correct. However a system needs to be found to suit Calvert-Lewin (6-yard goal area)

I just hope who I think will become our most important player's ankle is okay after that thug (another media favourite) stamped on it.

Clive Rogers
463 Posted 05/09/2022 at 10:41:16
Robert @459,

Iwobi and McNeil have played 10 full Premier League seasons between them and neither has ever scored more than 3 in a season.

McNeil hasn't scored for 18 months.

Iwobi has averaged 1 per season for us. I can't see them suddenly becoming prolific, I'm afraid.

Mark Taylor
464 Posted 05/09/2022 at 10:57:49
Beggars can't be choosers. We didn't have the money to sign a proven goal scorer so the bar that Maupay had to pass is to be a step up on Rondon. Granted that is a very low bar but he is that at least.

I'm mildly surprised we spent as much as we did and, if the numbers I've seen our correct, I suspect we face another Richarlison-style sale immediately after the season ends to balance the books.

While one could argue we have disinvested in attack, we have increased strength in defence and especially midfield. Building from the back seems like a sensible policy when you don't have the resource to do it all at once.

I'm also pining for that first win, but I feared a more depressing start than we have had and there is the makings of a halfway decent team there.

Raymond Fox
465 Posted 05/09/2022 at 10:59:46
We now have a very solid-looking midfield and defence, but I would caution about getting too carried away after Saturday's great performance.

We haven't got a midfield that will create an abundance of chances for forwards and forwards that are prolific goal scorers. I think Roberts is a little optimistic talking about Top 10, although I hope he's right obviously.

Maupay did score 8 goals out of 25 starts last season which is far from terrible, we need to get behind the lad not knock him.

Rob Halligan
466 Posted 05/09/2022 at 11:23:09
I see the PGMOL have accepted that the VAR decisions at Chelsea and Newcastle on Saturday to disallow goals were wrong decisions. No mention of that dirty vile rats stamp on Onana, so does that mean the decision not to review the stamp was correct?
Ray Jacques
467 Posted 05/09/2022 at 11:40:30
Really happy with the performance on Saturday in terms of the way we went toe to toe with them.

The last three games have seen a step up in quality and four at the back must be retained.

Defence looking solid, the two young full-backs are impressive and Gana will help midfield so we don't get overrun each game as we were last season.

However, the lack of goals is a massive negative and one that I fear will keep us in the bottom 6 or 8 until it is resolved.

Ray Robinson
468 Posted 05/09/2022 at 16:14:10
I know the question was asked earlier in the thread but short of trawling through all 400 plus comments, what was the reason for the extraordinary police presence at the Derby?

Something was going off at the Park End as we arrived at the ground and the Park End exit nearest to Bullens Road was blocked off at full time.

Brent Stephens
469 Posted 05/09/2022 at 16:42:13

I noted in my earlier post:

"I was passing the entrance to the away section about 40 minutes before kick off. Wow, did it kick off. Those feckers know how to be nasty. Not just the smoke bombs set off, but the barriers channelling the queues upended and stormed over. I noticed the turnstiles were then kept locked for a while - should have stayed shut."

What was also noticeable after the game was the central reservation of Walton Lane, going from the Park End in the city direction. A PC every two or three yards, and all with heavier boots etc than usual plus many carrying protective helmets on their belts. I wonder if they'd had a tip off or their own intelligence told them something was afoot.

Lee Robinson
470 Posted 05/09/2022 at 16:49:25
It's been a long time since I have looked at every position of a starting line-up and been happy with who we have there.

Frank in a short space of time has transformed the look of the side. Solid, energy, tactically aware and comfortable on the ball. It's a young side as well which can improve.

David West
471 Posted 05/09/2022 at 19:13:44
Robert 459

I'm with you on Calvert-Lewin. He's not the answer to everything but, when he gets a run of games, he will get goals. He will also take some of the defence's attention, hopefully giving the wide men, Gordon, Gray & mcneil a bit more space.

It was only one season, last season, he suffered with injury, so I don't get why Calvert-Lewin has been labelled injury-prone. He played over 30 in the four years before last. Hardly a Gbamin or Mina, is he?

People can make judgments and have opinions on players that's all good, but some posters will ignore facts, like with Iwobi. One poster said "they are not a stat watcher" well stats don't tell the whole picture but they are facts and not conjecture, or opinions.

Stats cut through the hearsay and the myths & things that are repeated so often, people start to believe them as facts.

Like the myth Calvert-Lewin is and always was injury-prone.

Matthew Williams
472 Posted 05/09/2022 at 19:22:48
Very pleased with the Derby performance,the goals will come so will the wins, Maupay just needs a strike partner but Onana must get some protection and the rest of the lads need to start getting in the Ref's faces when the opposition start hacking at him,as this bloke looks the real deal to me.

We look competitive and a lot more stable and secure at the back too,even though we have a few tough games looming,am sure we'll be tough to beat and we'll improve further still.

Looking forward to this season now...but that VAR is still shite!

Mike Price
473 Posted 05/09/2022 at 19:30:25
Lies, damn lies and statistics!

Sam Allardyce has a 100% winning record as England manager.

Danny O’Neill
474 Posted 05/09/2022 at 19:50:06
How did the manager that I wish had never been Everton manager be introduced into a generally positive thread?
Tony Abrahams
475 Posted 05/09/2022 at 19:55:42
Maybe to cut through the hearsay and the myths, Danny?
Mike Price
476 Posted 05/09/2022 at 19:56:47
Sorry Danny🙂
Simon Dalzell
477 Posted 05/09/2022 at 19:58:06
Lots to be optimistic about.

Massive Howler not signing Diaz. We may well have won.

Obvious red for Van Dijk. Leg-breaker.

Tony Abrahams
478 Posted 05/09/2022 at 20:03:28
I think that Diaz can do special things but I’m not a bit concerned that we never signed him though Simon, because it looks to me like he’s going to get physically bullied out of a lot of games?
Christine Foster
479 Posted 06/09/2022 at 00:27:34
Laurie Hartley #444,

I have already expressed my opinion on that tackle, but listening to Dermot Gallagher on TalkSport this morning (here) justifying a yellow and not a red... said the tackle wasn't dangerous because he didn't go flying in and contact was down along the shin toward the foot.

I had to go look at it again and look at your link and would say with absolute certainty that he is wrong. Your link, picture of contact, clearly shows a number of things:

1. Van Dijk's leg is straight with his body side on. It's not a stamp, it's foot up, over the ball.

2. Straight-leg contact is at 90 degrees with Onana's leg, with Van Dijk's standing leg braced for the impact. It was intentional.

3. Onana's foot was firmly and fully planted on the floor, no give possible from any forward impact above the foot. That's why it's a leg-breaker.

4. It wasn't an accidental or poorly timed tackle, anyone who has played the game knows he intended harm. Straight leg, studs up to ensure the impact is doubly effective to exact damage on Onana's forward traveling leg.

I have seen that tackle by nasty alehouse defenders on Sunday mornings countless times. It was no different. What goes around comes around. Despicable player. That's why I called it.


Bernie Quinn
480 Posted 06/09/2022 at 00:45:40
Christine at 479,

Re that tackle – I have played competitive football for many years; I have coached teams over the years, and I have been a football referee for several years as well and I say that, without question, that it was a red-card tackle. End of.

Danny O’Neill
481 Posted 06/09/2022 at 00:54:41
If it's not Van Dijk or Liverpool, it's a red. Simple as and wouldn't be being debated.
Paul Kelly
482 Posted 06/09/2022 at 02:09:42
On the non red card…

"But in this instance, Virgil van Dijk's foot actually slipped down the shin and ended up on the foot which is why it's a yellow card."

What? Really? Did I read this wrong?

So let me get this right, should I or any player start a tackle with our studs showing and make contact, but make our way down the body to the foot, it don't matter where the tackle starts according to that dickhead.

So a thigh-high challenge with studs showing working down the back of the leg and ending on the back of the foot is only a yellow because the challenge finished on the foot?

Don't think so. Absolute joke of a game these days with decisions like this.

Mike Gaynes
483 Posted 06/09/2022 at 02:30:48
Simon #477,

Not sure why you think Diaz would have ever wanted to go to a non-Champions League club, or how we could have possibly afforded $67 million for him, but I certainly wouldn't describe our not signing him as a "massive howler."

Mike Gaynes
484 Posted 06/09/2022 at 02:30:50
Simon #477, not sure why you think Diaz would have ever wanted to go to a non-CL club, or how we could have possibly afforded $67 million for him, but I certainly wouldn't describe our not signing him as a "massive howler."
Bill Gienapp
485 Posted 06/09/2022 at 03:01:21
Are we talking about Luis Diaz, when we were linked to him last summer, or not getting Ben Brereton Diaz at the deadline?
Brian Murray
486 Posted 06/09/2022 at 03:40:59

The kopite Diaz was apparently very close to signing but we need Rodriguez off the books to finance his wage. He wouldn't leave at that time so that was the end of that according to Tofffe TV (Baz).

I'm not losing any sleep over it. I would rather have Onana anyway. As for the Blackburn Diaz, that might still happen in the next window although their valuation is too high for us.

Brian Murray
487 Posted 06/09/2022 at 03:48:29
Wether the VAR is viable and works properly is secondary while the final say is by a human being.

As others have said, they check the club badge first before anything. All this weekend proved that and imagine Klopp's antics if them three big calls went against him.

The goal and the sending off especially. There would be hell to pay and he would want it raised in parliament.

Brian Murray
488 Posted 06/09/2022 at 04:25:55
The Newcastle game is also a prime example. A stronger manager would've dragged his team off the pitch and said this is not acceptable but we seen how weak he was with the never-ending injury time at Anfield in midweek.

Same with West Ham, Declan Rice apologising for speaking the truth. No, stick to your guns and maybe something will be done about this big bias or influence the bigger teams have.

Tony Everan
489 Posted 06/09/2022 at 07:29:05
Something seriously wrong when a potentially leg breaking, career ending tackle gets the all clear: Van Dijk on Onana, Shelvey last season on Gordon.

Then Allan's ugly but totally physically harmless trip gets upgraded to a red and three-match ban. Note – similar but worse tackle from Trippier three weeks ago got downgraded from red to yellow after review.

The system has no common sense, no consistency and is being run by amateurs pretending they know what they are doing.

Brian Wilkinson
490 Posted 06/09/2022 at 07:52:27
Not sure if anyone has commented on the following.

Other match officials (two assistant referees, fourth official, two additional assistant referees, reserve assistant referee, video assistant referee (VAR) and at least one assistant VAR (AVAR)) may be appointed to matches. They will assist the referee in controlling the match in accordance with the Laws of the Game but the final decision will always be taken by the referee.

Note it says final decision is by the ref, so if that is the case, why did var make the decision to rule the goal out, without asking the ref to go and look at the monitor, the ref disallowed the goal, on the say so of var, without going to have a look himself.

If the ref does not need to go and have a look then I stand corrected.

The ref and linesman gave the goal, a good three minutes later, as the players lined up to kick off again, why did var alert an obvious mistake, then take a further 4 or 5 minutes, if it took that long then surely it is not an obvious and clear mistake.

The only way forward is to make all var officials take an exam each year, on the rules of the game, if they fail, they do not participate in any games, until they get a pass rate.

Derek Thomas
491 Posted 06/09/2022 at 08:03:24
Brian @ 490; because it's all arse about face. The Referee controls or VAR does, make your mind up - which ever way they like, but stick to it and operate it in a consistent manner.

Not as it appears now...first check the badge; then apply 'a' or 'b' to
give the result that best suits the all the usual suspects.

I said this would happen, but was told to - get with the program, aka, don't be an arlarse dinosaur...it won't take long to iron out the kinks.
They've tinkered with it twice now and it's worse.

Justin Doone
492 Posted 06/09/2022 at 13:07:28
I think the big decisions in our match were correct.

Our 'goal' was offside, VD rightly got a yellow card.

Yes, there were a few other inconsistent decisions as I think Tsimikas (their left-back) deserved a yellow and Onana's was a little harsh.

But in general good refereeing and a good football match.

Tony Abrahams
493 Posted 06/09/2022 at 13:27:13
I wouldn't have argued with that assessment too much, Justin, until I unfortunately decided to watch the clip with Dermot Gallagher saying exactly what you have just said, mate.

He looked and sounded very unconvincing, especially when trying to say that it didn't matter if Milner touched the ball before Coady scored, because he hasn't meant it?

Brian Murray
494 Posted 06/09/2022 at 13:28:31
Just heard about Dermot Gallagher on Sky (not that I'd watch that for years) try to explain our goal, saying Milner didn't mean to touch the ball.

Then it was explained to him why he did go try and block it. They started laughing and he couldn't explain himself.

It's okay, it's only Everton. Embarrassing excuse for a man and an ex-ref.

Christy Ring
495 Posted 06/09/2022 at 13:53:37
PGMOL apologised for the VAR mistakes, and Howard Webb whose not here for another 3 months, will sort it out. So Howard is going to be the VAR for every game?

The VAR system is fine, it's the retired referees like, Dean and Mason, given cushy jobs now, being the VAR, who are the problem. It's bad enough getting the decisions wrong, but then telling referees to go look at it again, putting doubts in their mind, and changing their decisions.

They were poor referees, and now they have moved on to be poor VARs. Mason is stood down for this week; they should be axed completely when they fuck up.

Rob Dolby
496 Posted 06/09/2022 at 14:07:01
Justin 492.

We all watched the game to witness top-class Premier League footballers display their skill and ability. The highest standard of player, conditions and tactics ever in my opinion.

2 world class goalkeeping performances. Counter-attacking at its near best.

A young potentially world class centre mid pitting his wits against an established top player.

Yet the main talking points are down to the officials who crave the power and attention making more and more random decisions every week – and that isn't just in our games, it's in all Premier League games.

Fundamentally if older refs are being the VARs, we are already witnessing their same failings of the last 15 years.

Peter Walton or Dermot Gallagher love the attention and money Sky is throwing at them for contradictions of decisions week by week.

At one point, I wanted the VAR as I thought it would reduce obvious errors. Instead, it is turning the game into a bureaucrat's paradise and killing any form of fan emotion, reducing the spectacle to Antiques Roadshow excitement levels.

We are normally on the wrong end of decisions against that crowd so nothing new on that front but, other than that, the ref got all the calls right!

We are 4 points lighter this season due to Milner 'not playing the ball' – whatever that means and Demari Gray's armpit hair. Is that really what the beautiful game has been reduced to???

Michael Kenrick
497 Posted 06/09/2022 at 14:21:34
Back to that 'match report' in The Guardian (#364, 369), I understood most of it but this sentence:

Lampard may attract frequent ridicule for his faint veneer of salesmanship, the head-boy superciliousness, the carefully curated public persona.

I'm curious if anyone feels this has any degree of accuracy when describing our manager?

Salesmanship? He doesn't need to sell anything, he just needs to get his players to perform, which he is doing, and to confront the ingrained media biases with personal authority, which he is doing.

Head-boy Superciliousness? I don't know which school you were at, but he comes over more as an honest grafting barrow-boy from the East End – at best, Fagin's head boy perhaps.

Public Persona? Maybe I've been taken in but surely all his own, although I could see his Christine trying her best to make him into something he's not.

What a load of tosh!

John McFarlane Snr
498 Posted 06/09/2022 at 14:36:17
Mike Price [441],

What club did you play for when you represented the England Under-19s?

Because you say, "Never played professionally but did play for the England Under-19s, and semi-professionally".

Just curious.

Larry O'Hara
499 Posted 06/09/2022 at 14:43:29
Michael (497),

The writer Lieuw is an RS-loving toad: I have tried to respond to his myopia in the New Statesman but not printed.

He's not worth thinking about…

Brian Murray
500 Posted 06/09/2022 at 14:54:38
The more the week grows, the more my blood boils not getting easier after the VAR and if not corrupt then definitely red-influenced people decide to deny us a great week or month or whatever.

Then idiots like Dermot Gallagher an ex ref laughing when he's asked by Mike Hacket to explain himself over the offside goal. When tonight's new system is up and running in the Champions League and World Cup, the Premier League and managers like Klopp will have nothing to bail them out of a tight game like the derby.

Jamie Crowley
501 Posted 06/09/2022 at 15:07:25

That quote from The Guardian is absolute horse shit.

Complete and overt bias and an opinion not grounded in reality.

There's my reaction. The English bias in your sport is sickening.

I bleat on about NBC here in the States and how good their coverage is, and I'd urge anyone over there with a VPN to tune into the American coverage, and completely swerve the English crap you're "forced" to digest.

Jamie Crowley
502 Posted 06/09/2022 at 15:10:50
By the way, consider this!

"...carefully curated public persona."

Like, just, how???

Does Frank have a PR team? Does he perform practice pressers? Is he continually looking and seeking for revenue streams outside of his managerial duties?"

How in the actual fudge does Frank have a carefully curated public persona??? If anything, he screams "what you see is what you get."

What an absolute load of steaming poo!!! Pisses me off, to be honest.

Mark Ryan
503 Posted 06/09/2022 at 15:37:06
Whoever has written that is clearly inebriated in the exuberance of his or her own verbosity and their own prose. It has undertones of the writer being a helmet.
Eddie Dunn
504 Posted 06/09/2022 at 16:02:15

Whenever I watch the feed from the US and the pundits (apart from Beglin), I am astonished at how unbiased they are and what sense they speak compared to the dull mofos we have to put up with on our channels.

Julian Wait
505 Posted 06/09/2022 at 16:13:47
Jamie -

Jonathan Liew is a bit of a sensalitionalist. He's a very crafter writer, and fun to read, but he pretty much always likes to set up a strawman argument and capture the Zeitgeist as he wants to see it before puncturing it with what he wants to say (which he may or not actually believe). Note in this article he said "people are saying ABC" (familiar to those in the USA, you know who) and then "what you need to really see is ABC".

It's a bit annoying stylistically but if you go back and read him, he basically likes to write a piece, pats himself on the back for his own brilliance, and then forgets what he wrote. He might write the opposite piece three weeks later. It's like he is an editorial chameleon.

Clearly Liew has a future in politics.

David West
506 Posted 06/09/2022 at 18:17:02
Jamie 502

I found the article a bit patronising.

"25 seasons and still they come"

As if we should just give up and support Chelsea or Man City.
Supporting your team is a life sentence.

We do not choose, we are chosen.

There are teams with longer barren spells. I mean where were Chelsea, Man City and Spurs 25 years ago?

The digs at Frank are a bit personal. As I said before, he's fair game now he's Everton manager. The media want to knock him down a few pegs. I mean the "Carefully curated public persona" line made me laugh.

This is a guy who's played and achieved it all at the highest level and having the utmost respect from teammates and managers for his ability and good-natured character. That's not curated – that's a nice fella.

My missus would divorce me tomorrow for the handsome bastard. Liew just comes across as jealous.

Brian Wilkinson
507 Posted 06/09/2022 at 18:23:55
Since Frank got his apology for the Rodri handball, we have not had one piece of good fortune where we got lucky with the VAR, 3 sending-offs in a row straight after the apology, countless other incidents.

Now it is carrying on through to this season, even without a centre-forward we have improved beyond belief, but these players are being cheated for their hard effort and graft, the fans are being cheated, but yet it continues.

Unless we are a few goals behind against Arsenal, you can bet your last penny, we will once again be talking either about a none penalty, a disallowed goal, or dubious decision in Arsenal's favour after the game.

Playing the top teams is tough enough, but no matter what good performance we put in, we are battling against the refs and the VAR as well.

Dave Carruthers
508 Posted 07/09/2022 at 09:55:11
Peter Mills at 267.

Is that Ian Cockbain who played cricket for Lancashire and then Minor Counties for many years?

I played against his father Ron many years ago. Was it Ormskirk? A very talented family if the same Ian, and still very young.

Chris Williams
509 Posted 07/09/2022 at 10:03:57

I think it is. There’s a nice obituary on the Lancashire CC website.

Dave Carruthers
510 Posted 08/09/2022 at 14:15:50
Thanks Chris. Will take a look
Brian Murray
511 Posted 08/09/2022 at 14:34:25
Some national crisis on the way, so the Arsenal game may be off.
Brian Murray
512 Posted 08/09/2022 at 15:36:35
It was suggested as much on toffee tv.
Christine Foster
513 Posted 08/09/2022 at 16:43:10
When you have referees, past or present debating and analyzing decisions made by VAR, trying to justify or defend the indefensible, then, and only then do you realize that it's not VAR technology that's at fault, it's the referees themselves.
It's always been the referees, if VAR was brought in as an effort toward better consistency of decision making it has failed miserably.
VAR should be used as a back up when called for by the referee on the pitch or not at all. It's killing football because it's become an added layer of interpretation that is a debatable point of view from another referee.
If referees argue between themselves over VAR interpretation then it's use is of no value.
Danny O’Neill
514 Posted 08/09/2022 at 17:01:05
Once again Christine, someone else makes the point I've been trying to make much better.

VAR can and should be the solution. What is being masked is the crux of the problem. The officials. VAR or no VAR they have been and continue to be the issue.

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