Tottenham Hotspur 2 - 0 Everton

Two glorious chances squandered, then the softest of penalties for Kane not even reviewed by the VAR before Tarkowski treats Højbjerg for cramp and he goes on to score the killer goal for Spurs. Unbelievable. 

Anthony Gordon is suspended after picking up 5 yellow cards in 8 games, while Yerry Mina is sidelined for yet another match, and Dominic Calvert-Lewin is still not deemed fit enough to start, Lampard going with the limited potency of McNeil, Gray and Maupay to start upfront.

The home side kicked off and Richarlison collapsed under first contact, a free-kick awarded, of course. Spurs worked it around until Richarlison gave up possession but McNeil then repaid the favour. Perisic’s first venture forward was thwarted. Kane as next to be blocked by Tarkowski. Son got in a great cross that found Kane was headed behind for the first corner.

Gana took down Son and, from the free kick, Richarlison has a free header well over the bar. Everton looked increasingly ragged as the pressure increased, Son wanting a penalty as Son got sandwiched, then Tarkowski fouled Richarlison, setting up Son to smack one into the wall. 

Everton absorbed the early pressure without getting far beyond the half-way line. Maupay given a ridiculous early yellow when Dier felt a flailing arm on his cheek. Romero wasn’t booked for tripping Gray, despite Pickford and Coleman having a word with Paul Tierney.

Onana got to run in the left channel but was too naive to evade the tackle or draw a foul. But at least Everton were now playing up the field after weathering the early storm. It was competitive in midfield with Everton looking to play some football, and stringing some passes together, but not getting close to the Spurs area. 

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Davies was quick to feed Kane for a snapshot that Tark blocked over and away. Spurs pressed hard but Gray got free down the right and advanced on Lloris only to lash his shot miles over as the ball bobbled. Højbjerg similarly skied a shot at the other end. 

Gana accelerated and Romero fouled him in a forward position, Gray taking the free-kick and Coleman trying to power one through the crowd, blocked over for a corner. McNeil drove it almost too far and Tarkowski could not direct his header on target. 

At the other end, Kane beat three Gana but not Pickford, then Davies fired wide.  Another spell of Spurs pressure ended with Pickford taking control. Everton tried to build an attack but soon it was coming back at them as Richarlison needed stopping, Everton then playing out well from the back. 

Gray was caught by Bentacur, who finally got a yellow, much to the annoyance of the Spurs players. A brilliant tackle by Onana stopped Bentacur in his tracks. Everton were shutting things down well in midfield but Coady was fouled (not given) and Richarlison had a shot that Tark blocked behind for a corner. Pickford punched out Son’s corner but the ball came back and Everton were under pressure until Perisic went down clutching his head after a great clash with Coleman’s shoulder.  

Onana had a fantastic chance but his shot flew over the Spurs bar. McNeil fouled Doherty (yellow card) and Onana had to head Son’s dead ball behind under tremendous pressure. Another wicked Son corner needed some deep deep defending. 

A late chance was created by Kane for Richarlison to whack the ball over with close attention from Coady. Thus ended a lively and relatively even first half in which Everton should really have scored not one but two goals from guilt-edged chances… but of course the goal-shy Blues failed to convert those fantastic opportunities to take the lead at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. 

No changes at the break, and Tarkowski was called upon to tackle Son well on the run. Then McNeil had to head a crosss behind for an early second-half corner, taken short, that Højbjerg then ballooned wide and long. Everton struggled to play forward, however, and were under pressure at the back again. 

Richarlison was shot in the leg by a sniper and needed lots of treatment before hobbling off, Bissouma taking his place. Spurs then had their best chances so fr, a tremendous volley by Kane straight at Pickford, then Son lashing it over. Gana then made a poor tackle on Højbjerg and got a  yellow card. 

Everton came under more pressure Son not getting enough power on his header to beat Pickford from close range as the atmosphere ramped up another notch. More relentless Spurs pressure and Everton finally crumpled, Pickford spilling a shot and Kane forcing a penalty off him. Seemingly no VAR check, as Kane lashes it in, the Everton players seething. 

Everton looked to contain their anger and direct it to laying the ball properly. But Spurs could now sit back and lap it up. Onana won a good press as the Blues continued to probe but failed to make any real progress — 65 minutes gone… where the fuck is Calvert-Lewin?  Why does it take Lampard so long to make changes???

Son got past Gana but was then stopped. Finally the changes came on 67 minutes but Spurs did their best to take control. Kane got another glorious chance that Pickford batted away but they could not get out of their half. 

McNeil tried to pick out Calvert-Lewin with a decent cross but it was too high. Gary was disposed easily and Kane off on a run, Tarkowski in with a brilliant tackle to block his shot. But Everton were cowering back in their own half, almost inviting Spurs to attack so they could hopefully counter. 

Everton won a free-kick but they were so slow to take it, Gray finally putting a decent cross but too far from goal and well away from Calvert-Lewin. Gray again tried to cross but the path was blocked. Gary and Bentacur fought for the ball, Spurs getting the free-kick but Everton winning back and playing it up toward Calvert-Lewin, Garner put in a fantastic cross but Lloris watched it all the way.  

Mykolenko stuck out a lazy leg that gave away a very dangerous free-kick but it was easily defended. Spurs continued to slow things down as much as they could unless a chance opened up, Tarkowski bizarrely treating Højbjerg for cramp!!! Then of course, he said Thank you very much and fired in a second goal for Spurs. Un-fucking-believable. Everton that. What the fuck was Tarkowski doing???

Everton thought about attacking a bit more as the game was lost, McNeil to Calvert-Lewin but there was no real chance of scoring. With 5 minutes of added time, Tarkowski again had to make an incredible challenge to deny Perisic.  

A slew of subs for Spurs to kill the game in added time. Another last-ditch sliding tackle from Tarkowski. More desperate defending ended with another ridiculous Everton defeat into the books. 

Tottenham Hotspur: Lloris, Doherty (90+3’ Spence), Højbjerg, Son, Richarlison (52’ Bissouma), Kane (90+3’ Moura), Perisic, Dier, Romero (87’ Sanchez), Bentancur [Y:37’] (90+3’ Skipp), S Davies.

Subs not Used:  Forster, Gil, Sessegnon, Lenket.

Everton: Pickford, Coleman (67’ Garner), Tarkowski, Coady, Mykolenko [Y:82’], Gana [Y:54’] (81’ Rondon), Onana, Iwobi, McNeil, Gray, Maupay [Y:12’] (67’ Calvert-Lewin).

Subs not Used: Begovic, Keane, Doucoure, T Davies, Vinagre, Welch.

Referee: Paul Tierney
VAR: Stuart Attwell

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Matthew Williams
1 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:35:19
Gana starts then... we've lost already. Start again at the Toon then!


Danny O’Neill
2 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:38:32
That's the spirit Matthew. How can we lose already if the game hasn't started?
Joe McMahon
3 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:38:41
Mathew, we are gonna need a lot of luck here. Spurs front 3 aren't bad are they!
Will Mabon
4 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:38:53
Our mate Attwell on VAR too.
John Kavanagh
5 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:42:22
Just want us to avoid being Kwartenged again like last season. Prevent Richarlison scoring – and someone PLEASE snap 'not that sort of player' Son in half.

A disciplined performance with no giveaways in midfield and more than a bit of luck might earn us a point. COYB.

Neil Lawson
6 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:42:23
Matthew (1).

Gana is a class act and we desperately need him in midfield. One bad match does not make a bad player.

Get behind your team for goodness sake.

Will Mabon
7 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:44:50
As much as Gordon has not been at his best, he does still occupy the attention of defenders and that will be a miss here. McNeil as yet is simply no real threat. I think we may struggle to score at all.
Brent Stephens
8 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:45:24
Matthew #1 - sigh. Enjoy the game.
Kieran Kinsella
9 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:47:57
Yeah Matthew I bet Conte is cracking up “we’ve already won lads! Gueye is playing hahaha if only they’d started Tom Davies we’d have had a game. Now why even bother? The experienced CL player is clearly the sole weakness in Everton. Even Gomes was better. Frank if he had any sense would let Matthew Williams and Ian Edwards pick his team.”
Christy Ring
10 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:48:56
So we've lost already? I'd definitely start Gana.
Kunal Desai
11 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:49:35
Who knows, football can throw up some strange turn of events. An early red card for Spurs for example then it's a totally different game.
Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:49:53

Matthews revelation has saved us all a few hours of our lives. What else is on Telly?

Lee Paige
13 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:51:41
So Gana is now a bad player after one game? We are doomed, doomed I tell you.
Bill Gall
14 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:54:04
cant believe the negativity Spurs are not that great, and if they were not in London would not get as much adulation.
I could maybe understand the comment from #1if it was the old team, but we have a point as soon as the game is kicked off and have the players who can get the other 2 or keep the 1 we started with.
Will Mabon
15 Posted 15/10/2022 at 16:54:12
Matthew, It's looking like the improvement in the team and extra confidence, has rendered that tone of post as an opening gambit, kind of unsuitable...
Dean Williams
16 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:02:01
Wind your neck in Mathew. Wouldn't hurt to show a little optimism and get behind the team.
Danny O’Neill
17 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:05:05
Never been on a pitch, taken a team onto a pitch or watched Everton thinking we're beaten before it's started. Alien concept to me.

And even if you go behind, it's not over until that final whistle.

Let's hope the players have that mentality.

They've show a lot of it this season.

Let's go and do this Everton.

Graeme Beresford
18 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:07:56
People moaning about Gana, you are a joke.
Will Mabon
19 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:09:42
Change of moan: Live Forum button's a little tardy again.
Duncan McDine
20 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:11:45
Gana had a shocker last weekend, but I have full confidence in him putting things right today. His job is vital when you look at their front 3.
Kevin Naylor
21 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:12:51
The key to this game is frustrating Spurs to few chances in the first 45 mins then look to bring DCL on to steal a winner. Go behind in the first 20 mins and theres no way back for me.
Eddie Dunn
22 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:13:22
can't see a live forum ? Any links for the game?
Jay Harris
23 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:13:54
Tough game but aren’t they all.

Let’s go blues

Will Mabon
24 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:15:09
Ciarán McGlone
25 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:15:45
There was a ready prepared pile on for Gana last week. He made a couple of high profile errors but he wasn't the worst midfielder on show.

Everybody was poor. I was especially pissed off with Onana who spent a lot of time ambling about or chatting up Ronaldo.

Even if Gordon wasn't suspended he'd get the hook. McNeil has an opportunity to prove his doubters wrong.

Let's go. Spurs aren't as good as the press they get.

Dave Cashen
26 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:16:20
Well said Danny.

If we all had a quid for every time the favourites lost a footy match we'd all be fucking minted.

I think we will frustrate them and catch them on the break.

Would love McNeil to get another winner. It would do him the world of good. But an O G would do too


Andrew Merrick
27 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:16:41
Yes, all tough games...
We know what's needed, real focus and match spurs man to man
Anything can happen when the whistle blows, combative performance please guys
Eddie Dunn
28 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:17:50
thanks Will!!
Tony McNulty
29 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:18:50
Live forum banned for misbehaviour?
George Cumiskey
30 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:19:05
I would of gone with Garner instead of McNeil
Eddie Dunn
31 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:20:26
Me too George.
Will Mabon
32 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:22:31
Eddie, no worries.

Tony, I don't know - really pining for her...

Ian Edwards
33 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:23:40
If we sit back and allow Spurs to play we will lose. Football is a simple game. When you have the ball your opponent can't score. I hope Gueye and Onana remember to protect the Defence this week. They may as well have sat down last week. They were crap.
Ian Jones
34 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:24:06
We beat Spurs 1 nil at their place a few years ago. May have ridden our luck then but a win is a win. We are capable of doing the same today.
Ian Edwards
35 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:24:35
I'd have gone for Garner in place of Gueye. He really is the weak link in this team. A pub player.
Tony McNulty
36 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:24:43
Will, It's like going to your favourite pub and finding the resident pub bigot no longer sitting in the corner waiting for an argument
Charles Brewer
37 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:25:14
Tony, I expect that the FA has banned ToffeeWeb Live forum for. er. reasons, and no other club fan site will ever have to have its live forum banned again.
Jamie Crowley
38 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:25:47
Live Forum anyone?
David McMullen
39 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:25:51
Come what may, up the Toffees :-)
Will Mabon
40 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:25:53
Ian, no luck in that one - we schooled 'em.
Tony McNulty
41 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:26:13
Charles, I want to see what VAR says about the forum
Brent Stephens
42 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:26:22
Don't bite! Don't bite!
Charles Brewer
43 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:27:16
I think Gana's problem is that he hasn't / hadn't fully adapted to the greater speed of the Premiership. His mistakes were getting caught with the ball which is a classic problem for a player in a new environment. I suspect he won't make any of the same mistakes this week.
Andrew McLawrence
44 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:27:56
Let's twat these southern softies! COYB
Will Mabon
45 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:28:03
Tony :-)
Charles Brewer
46 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:28:53
Tony, I expect it will be a red card even though you can't actually see the forum. I expect Martin Atkinson has already send the Sysops off.
Jamie Crowley
47 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:29:56
Gana will be fine. What would be the odds he'd give the ball away resulting in THREE goals in THREE consecutive games?

He's a great player, he's not going to keep making these mistakes.

Tony McNulty
48 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:30:02
Who put Liz Truss in charge of operating the Forum?
Nick Lacey
49 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:30:54
Any good links? VIPleague isn't working for me
Charles Brewer
50 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:31:13
All I'm getting is lowlife US lawyers so far!
Mike Gaynes
51 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:33:04
Jamie, don't tempt fate!
Jamie Crowley
52 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:33:14
What's wrong with lowlife US lawyers? Drive the economy!
Will Mabon
53 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:33:15
Nick, what's wrong with it?
Steve Brown
54 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:33:30
Back three.
Will Mabon
55 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:33:43
Charles, started now.
Jamie Crowley
56 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:34:28
I make my own fate, Mike!
Charles Brewer
57 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:34:34
So far, so dull
Mike Gaynes
58 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:35:05
We're still in this.
Jamie Crowley
59 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:35:43
What is it with our dreadlocks players cutting their hair?? WHY??

Lukaku, now Onana. Stop the madness, let it grow!!!

Chris James
60 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:35:47
Jesus! I've come onto the forum to have some banter before the match and some are already throwing the towel in and berating our players.
I genuinely do wonder why those people even bother at times.

I mean what is even the point if that's your attitude? Is there some perverse pleasure from having a glass constantly half empty?
I've been supporting the blues since I was 10 (that's 38 years) and I've been lucky enough to see some glory and some brilliant players, along with an awful lot of abject dross and despair.

That doesn't stop me from getting behind the blues though - even when it was Brett Angell, Shandy van der Mayde or Stuart 'Barn door' Barlow! COYB!!!

Charles Brewer
61 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:35:57
I see we're playing our "We're 1 up so don't try to win the ball back" game
Ian Edwards
62 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:37:10
Stupid challenge giving a free kick away by the pub player
Jamie Crowley
63 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:37:21
The leg breaker doesn't like it up him. Just hack Son down all game please. Hate him.
Will Mabon
64 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:37:45
Hello, Son.
Charles Brewer
65 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:38:59
Is DCL on the bench?
Jamie Crowley
66 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:39:05
The leg breaker is also a diving cheat. Who'da thunk it???

Jackass jerk

Will Mabon
67 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:39:55
Bad one to concede
Matthew Williams
68 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:40:04
Chasing shadows here!
Charles Brewer
69 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:40:13
If that wasn't a dive from Son I don't know what would count.
Luke Welch
70 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:40:26
getting battered at the moment
Luke Welch
71 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:40:26
getting battered at the moment
Will Mabon
72 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:40:35
Free kick, I mean.
Mike Gaynes
73 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:40:43
Son never broke anybody's leg.
Andrew McLawrence
74 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:40:50
We are actually getting so hard to watch with all this backs to the wall shite
Ian Edwards
75 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:41:28
Can we stop with the Son leg breaker nonsense. He did nothing wrong.
Bobby Mallon
76 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:42:00
Just boring shite from a boring set up and a manager who needs to go forward
Will Mabon
77 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:42:18
Getting pushed back so easily.
Sean Roe
78 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:42:50
We'll win this 1-0
Phil Rodgers
79 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:42:54
I love Seamus but he never does well against Son
Ray Roche
80 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:43:19
Any links?
Charles Brewer
81 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:43:21
Did I miss the 3 goals we scored before we parked the bus?
Jamie Crowley
82 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:43:30
Ian - he saw red, chased him down, hacked him from behind, and it resulted in a horrific injury.

You're blind mate.

Mike Gaynes
83 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:43:54
Nobody does, Phil. Son is one of the 20 fastest players in the world I believe.
Charles Brewer
84 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:44:03
A yellow for some bloke heading your arm?
Simon Dalzell
85 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:44:28
Joke of a yellow.
JP Ashcroft
86 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:45:13
Agreed @JC - break Son's ankles :-)
Charles Brewer
87 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:45:32
Gray gets clattered so no card for that?
Phil Rodgers
88 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:45:36
Fair point.
Simon Dalzell
89 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:46:07
Ray (80.) Totalsportek. / firstrowsports / Fotnet24
Mike Gaynes
90 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:46:19
Don't call anybody blind, Jamie. He chased him, tripped him, deliberate foul yes, but he did not break his leg, fact, period.
Jamie Crowley
91 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:46:33
Amen JP. Cheers M8. Say hi to the Loverly Lady and the buckeroos.
Mike Gaynes
92 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:47:04
Watch Neil Taylor break Seamus' leg and see the difference.
Peter Fearon
93 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:47:20
Jamie Crowley
94 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:47:26
Mike -

You're blind. He went after him with malice and hacked him down from behind. If you insist on tricking your eyesight and memory, knock yourself out.

Charles Brewer
95 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:48:31
This is a truly shit game so far.
Ian Edwards
96 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:48:36
Nonsense Jamie. Gomes caught his studs in the turf and fell into the defender. The Prem quite rightly overturned the red card.
Graeme Beresford
97 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:48:48
Crazy coming Maupay there and not booking Romeo for a foul on Gray.

Seems odd this refereeing already.

Mike Gaynes
98 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:48:50
Gomes broke his leg slamming into another player after Son tripped him. The one with his head up and locked is you.
Jamie Crowley
99 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:49:38
Tripped him?

You define intentionally chasing a guy down and trying to break his shin from behind as a trip?

Delusional. You're nuts.

Liam Wilson
100 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:49:53
Jamie Crowley
101 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:50:44
Ian -

His boot planted in the ground how?

Answer that. Did it have ANYTHING to do with the fact he was chased, hacked from behind with malice? Anything at all mate? Anything?

Mike Gaynes
102 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:51:03
He didn't try to break his shin. Nor did he succeed. How's the view of your colon today, man? You're clueless.
Julian Exshaw
103 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:51:13
Commentator says we are holding out, is that the limit of our ambition?
Charles Brewer
104 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:52:02
Son launched a vicious attack on Gomes from behind. The fact that Gomes got injured hitting another player as a result does not diminish Son's culpability one iota.
Mike Gaynes
105 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:53:23
Vicious. Give me a break.
Charles Brewer
106 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:53:47
In law, we have the "thin skull rule".

"The Thin Skull Rule refers to the same law as the Eggshell Skull Rule, the Eggshell Plaintiff Rule, the Special Sensitivity Rule or the Old Soldier’s Rule. The rule states that a defendant’s liability extends to uncommon and even unforeseeable results for the victim."

Ian Edwards
107 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:54:10
That should have been in. Not even on target.
Mick O'Malley
108 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:54:25
Very touchy
Jamie Crowley
109 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:54:26
Actually, my wife had a colposcopy yesterday. Too soon. Too soon.

How's this? I hate the fucker. Son is a Cnut of the highest magnitude. I'll just choose to call him Legbreaker even though you disagree. Swallow it, he's "Legbreaker" forever. If ya don't like it, scroll.

The LF really should be up.

Mike Gaynes
110 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:54:55
Footy ain't law.
Ian Edwards
111 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:55:02
Charles. Son never touched Gomes.
Mick O'Malley
112 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:55:07
Agreed Jamie
Sean Roe
113 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:55:11
How did he miss that?
Jamie Crowley
114 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:55:11
Charles Brewer @104 -

Yup. How's your colon buddy?

Graeme Beresford
115 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:55:25
Son ran after Gomes after being angry that he was tackled. He left his leg in but at the same time Aurier tackled Gomes from another direction. It was just an unfortunate accident, now can everyone stop going on about it as it was also what about 2 years ago.
Andy Meighan
116 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:55:42
Ian 35. Yes Gueye did have a poor game last week, but he wasn't alone was he. 6 or 7 more joined him. The lad is a good player end of.
Ian Edwards
117 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:56:43
Jamie. No contact from Son. None at all. Red card over turned. It actually did us a favour getting Gomes out the team. Another sunday league player
Ralph Basnett
118 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:58:10
Referees still not seeing equality.

Onana runs forward, Everton corner - Not!!!!

Kane shoots, deflected off Tarkowski- ref sees it!!

Fuckin amazing.

Julian Exshaw
119 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:58:23
Guys, let's move on, that was 3 years ago and Gomes himself has moved on. I'm more concerned about how we can get a grip on this game.
Jamie Crowley
120 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:59:14
I'm very surly. I had to watch the Man U game in the truck on the way back from GA last weekend - no Live forum.

No Live Forum today.

Two weeks in a row = grumpy withdrawal. It's like taking the heroine away from the addict.

Charles Brewer
121 Posted 15/10/2022 at 17:59:34
The trouble is, Julian, the argument about Son & Gomes, even 3 years later, is far more interesting than what's going on in the match.
Mick O'Malley
124 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:00:52
Thank good the Rugby League WC has started cos football is getting more boring by the week,
Jeff Armstrong
125 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:01:10
Agree with Jamie, Son lost his head, not for the first time.
Mark Murphy
126 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:02:47
Watching whilst cooking but the ref seems to be giving us a fair share here? Hopefully will be a tight game and we’ll nick it. UTFT
Julian Exshaw
127 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:03:42
Charles, you're right. Jamie, we love ya mate despite your grumpiness ;)
Charles Brewer
128 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:03:47
One good thing. We are currently above the Redshite in the league, and unless there is an outbreak of competence on this pitch, it's likely to be the same on Monday morning.
Jamie Crowley
130 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:05:19
Love ya too Julian. Mike too. Even Ian... ;0).
Julian Exshaw
131 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:06:11
Would you all pay a few quid if this was a subscription site? It might help Lyndon and Michael get some new software or whatever is needed for the LF
Ralph Basnett
132 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:06:20
We are more than holding our own but the only issue is they know we have nothing up front which gives them room to push, and they are not a pressing team!
Charles Brewer
133 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:06:28
We'd be on the fish and cheese jokes by now if the Forum was up
Tony McNulty
135 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:07:43
Could try lawyer jokes Charles
Gerry Quinn
136 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:08:12
Mike/Jamie - how can I wind you up to keep in the TW mix?
Bobby Mallon
137 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:08:15
I wish Maupay would stay further up the pitch
Jamie Crowley
138 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:08:18
Gana is a munster in a tackle.
Bobby Mallon
139 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:09:14
And another shocking yellow by the ref
Charles Brewer
140 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:09:38
A man walked into a bar with his alligator and asked the bartender, “Do you serve lawyers here?” “Sure do,” replied the bartender. “Good,” said the man. “Give me a beer, and I’ll have a lawyer for my gator.”
Jamie Crowley
141 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:10:48
Hahaha. OMG that's so bad but so funny Charles.

How does something that bad make you laugh?

Graeme Beresford
143 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:10:51
Maupay needs to come off at half time. Christ talk about being behind the play. He’s given the ball away every single time.
Tony McNulty
144 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:11:12
What do you call two lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start
Andrew McLawrence
145 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:12:35
Maupay offers nowt
Charles Brewer
146 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:12:47
How do you get a group of lawyers to smile for a photograph? Shout "Fees"
Julian Exshaw
147 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:13:24
DCL a must in the 2nd half
Ian Edwards
148 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:13:28
Two shocking misses
Jamie Crowley
149 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:13:37
Oh no Onana Oh my boy I love ya but man hit the net son!!!!
Tony McNulty
150 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:13:51
Oh boy. Shouldn't miss those
Sean Roe
151 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:14:12
How did he miss that?
Bobby Mallon
152 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:14:24
That is two chances ffs
Jeff Armstrong
153 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:14:27
Onana bad miss that
Kunal Desai
154 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:14:32
Got to score that Onana. FFS!
Chris James
155 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:14:34
Ohhh!!! Had to get that on target!!! Even better than Gray's chance that.
Charles Brewer
156 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:14:48
The trouble is, you know Onana can't shoot or head, even thought he's splendid elsewhere
Tony McNulty
157 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:15:27
What's brown and looks good on a lawyer? A Doberman
Jeff Armstrong
159 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:16:16
Spurs lucky not to be 0-2 here
Jamie Crowley
160 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:16:30
Julian I agree. I do like Maupay, but we need a threat up top because we're not really getting any threat anywhere else, sans some flashes of opportunities.

Which we miss.

Alex Bennett
161 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:16:37
Its probably been answered a million times, but why is the live forum down?
Terry McLavey
162 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:16:46
We have no killer streak
Julian Exshaw
163 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:17:37
It's a cliche but the ball did bobble up when he hit it, so he skied it over
Jamie Crowley
164 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:18:24
Alex -

Lyndon texted me last night and said he wanted me to show TW what the "flavor" of the LF is all about. So I picked a fight about Son.

This thread is compensating, per Lyndon's request.

Charles Brewer
165 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:18:56
Well that was rubbish
David McMullen
166 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:19:53
That was great! We frustrated them. Shame we can't convert our chances it's been a problem for a while
Julian Exshaw
167 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:20:04
We improved as the half wore on. Good performance despite the caution.
Sean Roe
168 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:20:11
I hope we don't regret not burying at least one of them two chances. To be fair, the ball bobbled for Grays chance.
Ian Edwards
169 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:20:22
Alex 161 Don't know where the forum is. It used to be slow, then it was very small and now so small it can't be seen.
Charles Brewer
170 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:21:19
Jamie, the flavour of the LF (which is why we love it!) is that it's a place where you can go to have a fight on your own if you feel like it.
Colin Glassar
171 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:21:19
If only we had someone who could convert the chances we create we’d be in the top 4 by now. Great game plan from Lampard.
Julian Exshaw
172 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:21:30
Maybe the LF isn't woke enough ;)
Mike Gaynes
173 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:22:03
Well, we had the two best chances of the half. Frank's plan is ugly, but it's working.
Alex Bennett
174 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:22:08

I'm clearly well out of the loop, I've read that 4 times and still not sure what it's meant to mean, that's flown right over might head higher than grays shot over the bar

Lee Paige
175 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:22:37
Two best chances of the game. Could be 2 up with a finisher.
George Cumiskey
176 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:22:39
I'd bring on Garner for McNeil now
Geoff Lambert
177 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:22:48
If them two chances are for Son or Kane they would have both burried them. We need someone who can hit the back of the net. If our main striker is on the bench again why is he not playing? Is he fit or not? Solid performance up to now but we will need to score at least one to get anything out of this game.
Mark Murphy
178 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:23:27
Alex 161
Cos it’s too f@cking miserable!
Mark Frere
179 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:24:40
Maupay is no better than Cenk Tosun!
Colin Glassar
180 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:25:15
I agree George. I still hope McNeil will come good but he’s not contributing anything today.

Julian, maybe Paul tierney is in control of the LF these days?

Jamie Crowley
181 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:25:27
Alex -

I speak broken 'Merican. Just ignore.

Charles Brewer
182 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:25:28
Onana shot after kicking the ball ahead of himself. I was a completely talentless footballer, but even I knew you cant shoot a ball that's a yard ahead of you.
Brent Stephens
183 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:25:30
Good half by Gana. The guy who shouldn't be playing.
Jamie Crowley
184 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:26:58
Brent - well said. Agree.

First half was pretty meh. Let's see if we can nick one second half.

I think it's anyone's game to win, despite Spurs controlling most of the half.

Kieran Kinsella
185 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:27:21
DCL would have buried that Onana chance … in row Z. McNeil on a card and contributing nothing. I’d give Garner a run out.
David Hallwood
186 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:27:58
Agree get garner on for McNeil, can't afford to go 10 down
Jamie Crowley
188 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:28:55
Kieran -

Who do you push wide left if you bring Garner on? Isn't he a central midfielder? I'd never put Iwobe out wide any more. He's 100% more effective central.

Alex Bennett
189 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:29:31

No worries, depending on what time I've started on the Everton supporters survival drinks package, I can only dream of speaking broken English

Tom Bowers
190 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:29:43
Until Lampard can get that striker, we will stay an average mid-table team because goals win games.

Without goals, you are always vulnerable to defeat in most games against teams with proven strikers.

Mike Gaynes
191 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:30:01
Yep, I like George's suggestion too. Garner could help in the middle.

BTW that Onana tackle was incredible. He can only tackle with his left, but he pulls it off.

Alan J Thompson
192 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:30:31
This is a bit reminiscent of last week, sitting back, except we haven't scored. There's a lot of passing around the back line but midfield is nowhere to be found and there doesn't seem to be any plan up front. Gray and Onana have each had a solo breakaway which both managed to put over the bar from the edge of the six yard box but it was noticeable that nobody seemed to get anywhere near supporting.

There's been a couple of yellows that didn't seem deserved, one for each side, and Richi doesn't seem too keen to score against us. Oh, and are we the only team that from a free kick moves the ball back from the shaving cream mark?

Hopefully, Frank gives them some sort of attacking ideas for the second half.

Kim Vivian
193 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:30:33
Alex - Jamie - I think Jamie means to say obliging. "This thread is obliging..."
Jamie Crowley
194 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:31:34
Mike -

That tackle was utter gold. Freaking brilliant tackle.

Ralph Basnett
195 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:32:17
Maupay is dogshit, but scored against us says it all!!!
Pekka Harvilahti
196 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:32:44
We have defended well and might have even nicked a goal with a better finishing.
Started too slow, luckily Spurs could not make use of it.
Maupay is useless, he can't shield the ball or pass it to a blue. I don't recall one incident where he didn't lose the ball or pass it straight to the enemy. Rondon would be better in these kind of games. Might as well give some youngster a chance. Is Tom Cannon available?
The ref is your normal biased homer: Ben Davies has fouled Gray four times already and he has not even talked to him.
David Hallwood
197 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:32:57
Jamie play a diamond with the width coming from the FBs
Mike Gaynes
198 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:33:03
Ralph, he also won us a game with a very nice goal.
Brent Stephens
199 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:33:11
I think McNeil is doing a decent job on the left of a back five. Leave it a while and then change him and the shape.
Dave Abrahams
200 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:34:27
If Lampard doesn’t bring Dominic on for the second half then at least bring Rondon on, he’ll hold the ball up better than Maupay who is on a yellow anyway, then bring Dominic on later.
Kim Vivian
201 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:34:51
Where are the away fans sat at this stadium?
Mike Gaynes
202 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:36:19
McNeil IS doing a really nice job covering those overlaps. That was alert right there.
Christy Ring
203 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:36:37
Onana should have buried it, Maupay very poor, losing possession everytime. We could be under pressure with McNeill on a yellow and playing wing back.
Julian Exshaw
204 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:36:41
Does Conte's hair actually grow or is a touch of the Elton Johns?
Jamie Crowley
205 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:36:43
Alex -

this thread is compensating - like substituting, but compensating because it doesn't stack up. Also a pun on male part size, because the thread can't stack up ever to the LF.

Does that make sense?

It's really shit when you have to spell out what you're thinking.

Sometimes you nail the dive and the Russian judge even give you a 10. Sometimes you bellyflop.

Ian Edwards
206 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:38:19
The pigeon is crocked
Jamie Crowley
207 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:38:32
Oh look. Richie's down. Never seen that before.
Alex Bennett
208 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:38:52

Haha, yeah I get it now. I also feel very silly for not differentiating between the two paragraphs. I read it all as one, which confused me even more. Time for a lie down.

Simon Dalzell
209 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:38:55
That Richarlison. Always on his arse !!
Brent Stephens
210 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:39:05
Kim, at the end on the left, far corner.
Mike Gaynes
211 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:39:31
Wow, this could take Richarlison out of the World Cup. Huge.
Charles Brewer
212 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:39:44
Richarlison doesn't want to score against us!
Charles Brewer
213 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:40:59
Clearly Richarlison left on good terms! He got more sympathy from the Everton players than the Spurs ones!
Mike Gaynes
214 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:41:35
What a brilliant save.
Jamie Crowley
215 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:41:44
I do hope Richie can play in the WC. Good servant, good player, nice fella, despite my snarky "he's down" comment.

I'd not want to see him miss the WC and I'd be sad for him

What a SAVE from PICKFORD!!!! Holy crap!

Julian Exshaw
216 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:41:48
Brilliant Picks lad
Ian Edwards
217 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:42:49
Said it before. Gueye is a sunday league clogger. Get him off
Mike Gaynes
218 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:43:07
True Charles. And they'll know what the WC means to him. I'm sad for him too.
Bobby Mallon
219 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:45:21
Ian Edwards go wobble your head about guey
Jamie Crowley
220 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:46:14
Mike Gaynes
221 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:46:23
Mistake Picks. Dammit.
Kunal Desai
222 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:46:54
Peno. FFS. Picks mistake that
Jamie Crowley
223 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:47:02
Cmon Picks. Make up for it.
Bob Hannigan
224 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:47:23
Charles Brewer
225 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:47:31
Fucking terrible pen.Kane looked for where Pickfords arm was and dived
Jamie Crowley
226 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:48:01
Simon Dalzell
227 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:48:18
Game over.
Ian Edwards
228 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:48:30
Mykolenko leaving Doherty totally umarked and allowed him to get his shot away.
Tony McNulty
229 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:48:38
Unforced errors always piss me off
Kieran Kinsella
230 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:49:00
Picks has been having one of his hyper days all mouthing off at the ref, staring out Dier, this s when his mistakes happen.
Jamie Crowley
231 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:49:07
Picks has made some tremendous saves. We were under immense pressure this half. I'm not going to blame him, despite the gaff.
Charles Brewer
232 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:49:18
Excellent try by Pickford but not quite enough
Mike Gaynes
233 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:49:25
Picks should have held the shot and he knows it.
Eddie Dunn
234 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:49:32
never a pen
Julian Exshaw
235 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:49:59
ok, time for DCL and Garner, McNeill and Gana off
Jamie Crowley
236 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:50:20
Conte like to protect a lead. We'll have a chance or two, need to bury them.
Mike Gaynes
237 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:50:23
Everton has never scored on a Conte side. 6 games, 6 shutouts.
Graeme Beresford
238 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:50:35
Pickford in a nutshell. Makes a great save, then spills an easy shot.

Something I have noticed in their use of the multi ball system. Everytime the ball goes out their ball boys get another ball back to their players in seconds. We are still asleep whilst they are attacking, it’s happening every single time.

Phil Rodgers
240 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:50:59
He hasn't made a mistake for ages so can't be too hard on him. Still plenty of time left but we're gonna have to come out of our shell
Steavey Buckley
241 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:51:14
Everton are a team which keep on giving to the opposition.
Ian Edwards
242 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:52:16
Pickford shouldnt have had a shot to save if Mykolenko wasn't asleep. Play Vinagre
Kunal Desai
243 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:52:25
We will have a good side when we can get some creativity and strikers in next summer.
Mike Gaynes
244 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:53:04
DCL coming on. Best guess would be for Gana. 2 up top.
Ian Edwards
245 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:53:25
Son went round Gueye like he wasnt there. Get him off he's shit
Jay Harris
246 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:53:29
We usually wake up when we go behind and don’t sit so deep so here’s hoping
Christy Ring
247 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:53:35
Bad mistake by Pickford, have to take Maupay off, he keeps giving the ball away, bring on Calvert-Lewin and Garner, and revert to a back four.
Regarding Gana Ian, you're giving him the same treatment as Gomes, tunnel vision.
Ian Edwards
248 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:54:27
Alan Harper coming on
Jamie Crowley
249 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:54:55
Well, here's Garner and DCL. Let's get one.
Julian Exshaw
250 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:55:36
Seamus coming off...surprising that
Kim Vivian
251 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:55:44
I wish Ian E was our manager - we'd be looking at Champs league by now.
George Cumiskey
252 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:55:57
I cannot believe McNeil is still on he has been shocking !!!
Mike Gaynes
253 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:56:21
Correct subs, correct time. Hope it works.
Charles Brewer
254 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:56:26
Quick hat trick from DCL and we'll all be happy
Christy Ring
255 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:57:44
Wanted the two subs on, but it definitely should have been McNeill off not Coleman
Andy Burke
256 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:57:50
Over as soon as Spurs scored. We don't have nearly enough going forward. Our creativity tends to zero. Great that we can defend but it's going to be a very long season again
Brent Stephens
257 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:58:04
Ian, you're not funny. You're boring.
Ian Edwards
258 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:58:37
Losing and we now have three holding midfielders. Well done Lampard you negative cliwm
Rob Birks
259 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:58:41
Just how many pens do Spuds get??
Graeme Beresford
260 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:59:16
McNeil, just think he was the wrong signing for us. Doesn’t look fit, looks slow and only has a left foot. At one point in the first half he ran with the ball and basically tackled himself. Struck me as a panic buy.
Mike Gaynes
261 Posted 15/10/2022 at 18:59:34
Christy, I think the reasoning is that McNeil is more likely to contribute to a goal than Coleman.
George Cumiskey
262 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:00:29
Correct subs ???? McNeil still on ?????
Andy Burke
263 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:00:57
We were robbed of 20 million for McNeil. Typical Everton signing.
Brent Stephens
264 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:01:20
I think McNeill off allows not only Garner into midfiled but Iwobi to be creative from RB.
Julian Exshaw
265 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:01:30
10 years ago Spurs were well behind us; the last decade has been kind to them. Just why they have progressed and we haven't is a debate for another day. Frustrating though.
Jeff Armstrong
266 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:01:55
Gray play the ball to Garner ffs
Brent Stephens
267 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:02:21
I meant Coleman off!
Paul Hughes
268 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:02:34
That’s the first error that Pickford has made since about February. Just a poor time to make it.
Charles Brewer
269 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:04:00
Paul, Kane had worked out he was going to get nowhere near the ball so he'd better find a way to fall over Pickford and get the penalty.
Sean Roe
270 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:04:25
They're knocking the ball around like it's a training match
Jeff Armstrong
271 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:04:46
McNeil ruining a decent attack there by going down for an non existent head knock
Charles Brewer
272 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:05:28
Well, the referee broke up that Everton attack pretty effectively.
George Cumiskey
273 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:05:40
McNeil the worst player on the pitch by a country mile
Mike Gaynes
274 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:05:48
I think you're the only one who saw it that way, Charles. Pickford certainly didn't. Not a word of protest.
Joe McMahon
275 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:05:56
Kane and penalities, it's one a game
Soren Moyer
276 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:06:04
Agree Ian. Gana is not good at all.
Charles Brewer
277 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:06:21
Why don't our players kick the ball against players getting in the way of free kicks? It's an immeiidate yellow.
Ian Edwards
278 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:07:07
Mcneill 😡
Matthew Williams
279 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:07:40
We're too negative as always...we need to be braver and more composure needed too.
Ernie Baywood
280 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:07:48
I'm making my call on McNeill now. He's no good.
Jeff Armstrong
281 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:07:53
Crowd playing the referee here, crowd goes up, ref blows, tosser!
George Cumiskey
282 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:08:21
For fucksake get McNeil off !!!
Jimmy Salt
283 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:08:28
Can't see a way back here unless a stuffy free kick just havnt hot any teeth Everton
Rob Birks
284 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:08:39
I like Kane but I hate him also
Charles Brewer
285 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:08:47
When was our last shot on target?
Christy Ring
287 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:09:33
Bissouma has made a huge difference in midfield because by playing McNeill as a wing back, Spurs have an extra man in midfield. Onana very quiet as well.
Jimmy Salt
288 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:09:38
Iwobi is wasted over there
Rob Birks
289 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:09:51
Charles, 2003
Paul Jones
290 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:10:21
I hope Garner doesn't do Movember. He's already looking like a young Hitler.
Mark Murphy
291 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:10:44
Whatever happens from here in I agree with putting Rondon on.
Charles Brewer
292 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:10:46
Thanks Rob
Soren Moyer
293 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:10:52
Can't believe we paid 20m to Burnley for McNeil!!? He is really not a EPL standard player.
Paul Gallagher
294 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:10:52
Where did it all go wrong since 2016, Rondon is coming on.
Kim Vivian
295 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:11:15
I can't stand Kane looks like the mask geezer from the Scream movie franchise and is a pretender to his potential records.
Rob Birks
296 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:11:49
Content the Italian shuts up shop!
Graeme Beresford
297 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:12:15
Conte now telling ball boys not to throw the ball back as quick. Just another tactic.
Jamie Crowley
298 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:12:20
Just create a chance. Just one. Bury it. Please?
Jack Convery
299 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:12:37
Tierney is a right homer ref. Ben Davies - how many fouls ??

We have made a good fist of this today, considering our limitations at present.

Pekka Harvilahti
300 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:12:58
Our pressing is ridiculous, we are losing and still let Spurs pass it comfortably. These guys only play to get their vast weekly salary, they don't seem to care.
The difference between the clubs is huge, big changes at club level are needed if we want to be more than punchbags like we are tonight.
Ian Edwards
301 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:13:07
Gray and McNeill is our version of McFred. McGray.
Rob Birks
302 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:13:11
Oops, Conte
Mike Gaynes
303 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:13:41
We're gonna need a set-piece to score.
Jerome Shields
304 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:14:14
Calvert-Lewin needs to get into position. The service is there, but no-one is in position to take advantage.
Kunal Desai
305 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:14:26
2-0 and goodbye
Ciarán McGlone
306 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:14:32
What the fuck is the point of bringing Rondon on.

This has been a managerial shitshow. Defensive turgid, one eyed, scared of your own shadow, grade A bollocks.

Paul Gallagher
307 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:14:35
Game over!
Jamie Crowley
308 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:14:43
Fuck. That's that. Terrible defending.
Sean Roe
309 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:14:45
Dom is making a difference
Julian Exshaw
310 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:15:09
Shite... pathetic.
Mike Gaynes
311 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:15:11
That'll do it.
Tony McNulty
312 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:15:18
We've exuded a sense of hopelessness pretty much since they first scored.
Joe McMahon
313 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:15:22
No doubt we will nearly score in injury time. Everton Nearly - but not quite FC.
Will Mabon
314 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:15:24
Soren Moyer
315 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:15:29
We need 2 goals now lol. What a sham of a club we are!!!
Ian Edwards
316 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:16:08
Missing those two chances first half did for us.
Jim Bennings
317 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:16:15
Crap game.

Unfortunately same shit, different day isn't it.

Same old story, Spurs play well below par but we have absolutely zero end product.

Another long hard season beckoning with few goals scored me thinks.

Will Mabon
318 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:16:20
Shitty deflection.
Paul Gallagher
319 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:16:22
We simply need to forget about getting points off the Top 6, we need 30 more from the rest.
Charles Brewer
320 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:16:32
I see we're back to the deflecting it past our goalie routine.
Colin Glassar
321 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:16:34
That's what happens when players (Mykolenko) chicken out of challenges.
Ian Edwards
322 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:16:42
Both goals the fault of Mykolenko.
Kunal Desai
323 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:16:46
It's an improved performance on 5-0. Maybe next year we'll go one better and get a point.
Chris Neubauer
324 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:17:30
This match is like a testimonial, where the the result is pre determined, what is there to be excited about, with this club?
Mark Murphy
325 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:17:33
Soren - they’re just better than us - breathe and relax. We’re getting better. We’re Spurs 3 years ago.
Keep the faith. UTFT
Andy Burke
326 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:17:38
I know I'm pissed off but we aren't going anywhere with Lampard. The man is not the answer.

Our forward play is nothing short of embarrassing and all this nicey nicey sportsmanship bollocks whilst in the game pisses me off.

At the start and end I'm 100 pc behind it. During the game. Not for me.

Charles Brewer
327 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:17:45
God this is a dismal match.
Eddie Dunn
328 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:17:53
Pathetic. Gray hopeless, McNeil slower than me and Mykolenko gets done for pace by everyone.

Lampard should have kept Maupay on to play off Dom.

Chris Leyland
329 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:17:55
Agree Colin,

Mykolenko has to challenge Kane, even if it means giving away a free kick whilst it's near the half-way line, rather than back off and let him turn.

Jim Bennings
330 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:17:55
Feels like we've wasted half a season putting all of our eggs in the Calvert-Lewin basket when really we should have pushed the boat out in August for a centre-forward that could score goals.
Andrew Ellams
331 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:17:56
Lampard's brand of toothless football is going to leave us fighting relegation again.
Will Mabon
332 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:18:02
Matthew Williams, now the stage is yours.
Ralph Basnett
333 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:18:10
We don’t tackle, if you don’t tackle you don’t win the ball unless the other team fucks up?
Jason Leung
334 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:18:16
Why do we persist with this stupid sit back and let them attack us?

Even 1 nil down, we still let them have the ball. What the fuck is the point in playing? Just may as well forfeit the match.

Julian Exshaw
335 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:18:47
Garner has to start on Wednesday as does Calvert-Lewin.

I'm tired of this ultra-defensive setup, it's getting us nowhere and boring the pants off the fans.

Joe McMahon
336 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:18:47
Goal difference now has a familiar look.
Brian Murray
337 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:18:58
Might as well bring me on with 6 pints in me. Fuck off, Everton, fuck off Kenwright – just go and leave, repeat, leave us alone, you curse of a man.
Charles Brewer
338 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:19:04
Well we knew there wouldn't be a penalty for us.
George Cumiskey
339 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:19:27
Pickford and Lampard entirely at fault for this result, bad goalkeeping and bad subs and tactics.
Marc Hints
340 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:20:09
Same old story every year with Everton. I can predict the score before a ball is kicked.
Paul Gallagher
341 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:20:12
At least Everton have only one more Top 6 club to play until Christmas, we need to start picking up points quickly.
Jim Bennings
342 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:20:30
I'm trying to convince myself we actually are getting better but I see the same old frailty of not being clinical and giving away soft goals with too much respect for opponents.

We can't score goals, it's all on Calvert-Lewin staying fit which I doubt he will; even if he does, I still think we are in for a struggle sadly.

Matt Butlin
343 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:20:37
We’re screaming out for a striker. A goal scorer would transform us.
Ian Edwards
344 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:20:39
Harsh on Pickford.

Mykolenko at fault for both goals.

Jerome Shields
345 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:20:41
Expecting the same players to be better than before does not work.
Charles Brewer
346 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:20:50
I expect City will fuck up too and ruin the weekend
Paul Hewitt
347 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:21:42
Must be a free agent available?
Ian Edwards
348 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:22:01
The shouts for a striker are a bit silly. The formation doesn't help any striker. No chances created for any striker.
Charles Brewer
349 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:22:12
Paul, I hear there's a bloke called Tosun we could go for...
Pete Heath
350 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:22:25
Any Premier League team that starts with Maupay and finishes with Rondon up front ain't gonna be far from the relegation zone.
Jim Bennings
351 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:22:31
I don't actually think Mykolenko is really that good to be honest.
Ian Edwards
352 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:23:01
Iwobi at right back is ridiculous. Lampard is an idiot.
Howard Don
353 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:23:01
No George, tactics were perfect first half, it’s mistakes and horrible missed chances that have done us.
Chris Leyland
354 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:23:19
I think that, aside from Villa, we've picked up at least a point from all the other non-Top 6 clubs. If we keep that up, then we will be okay and finish 12th-ish.

But we need to create more or learn to finish the few chances we do create.

Charles Brewer
355 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:23:21
It really doesn't help when players managed to break away from the opposition and can't even hit the goal.
Andy Burke
356 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:23:47
I didn't expect a result today but I was hoping to see us play well at least. Nobody can pretend we have played well today.

I know Spurs are head and shoulders above us. I expect that. But this spineless brand of football is really pissing me off.

Martin Mason
357 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:24:03
Kenwright out!!
Peter Collins
358 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:24:04
Just think, 9 or 10 years ago we used to finish above the the likes of Tottenham and Liverpool, and also qualify for Europe, then along came Moshiri, the new Peter Johnson.
Will Mabon
359 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:24:15
Alas I think the gulf is very visible today.
Matt Butlin
361 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:24:46
The shouts for a striker are a bit silly?? Someone who could pounce on mistakes, worry defenders, create chances on their own?
Charles Brewer
362 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:24:52
Spurs have basically had one chance and scored 2.

We had two excellent chances and scored none.

Jim Bennings
363 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:25:02
It seems every manager Everton appoint has to play defensive football.

Eddie Howe takes over a shambles at Newcastle and even before spending the money they looked a transformed team.

We play the same boring brand of shite every season.

Tony Hill
364 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:25:21
Sometimes you think that we're not far away from being mildly competitive (perhaps 5 years) and then you watch the cowardly, tedious horror of tonight and you think, "Nah, it's never going to happen ever again."

It really isn't, you know, we're irreparably poor, though we occasionally manage to be average on a good day.

We must be the most boring side in the Premier League. That was excruciating.

Ciarán McGlone
365 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:25:27
Frank Lampard back to be being a coward.
Kunal Desai
366 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:25:36
Our focus must be on picking up 7/8 points from the 4 games after Newcastle.

Go in to the World Cup break in mid-table.

Lee Paige
367 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:26:14
Missed Gordon today because of the pressure he puts on opposition defenders.

Also missing Patterson. He is way ahead of Coleman now.

Julian Exshaw
368 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:26:36
and Will it's getting wider and wider. We are light years away. I hate to say it but we are.
Charles Brewer
369 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:26:54
Lee, not much wrong with that analysis
Mark Murphy
370 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:27:04
Brian @ 337 - despite my misguided optimism earlier when he came on I fucking agree! Maybe not his fault but, fuck me, if he's the answer, we're in deep shit.

Still, Spurs are better than us like Arsenal are better than the shite. I see positivity but it's a long struggle before we'll beat these cunts!

Ted Donnelly
371 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:27:06
Thought Tarkowski was great..

McNeill so one-footed it's unbelievable, he shouldn't be starting. No firepower at all...

So what next???

Chris James
372 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:27:07
No points there, but I'm not too downbeat.

Spurs are third (now) in the table, competing in the Champions League and a lot lot further along their journey than we are. (You can argue about whether they should be and how we've squandered the last 4-5 years but that's another discussion). They also have a settled side and some world-class attackers.

Whilst Spurs had more possession, and loads more shots, I don't think we were bossed and you can tell from Conte's reaction that it was by no means a walkover.

The penalty was a little questionable for me or at the very least avoidable and the second was a classic counter sucker-punch when we'd pushed to try and get back into it. We did create chances and probably should've been up at the break.

Back to it in midweek! Let's see how we do against the Barcodes!

Phillip Warrington
373 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:27:21
Another relegation battle.

We have played 2 of the contenders for the Top 6 and have been easily beaten both times.

Lee Paige
374 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:27:26
What is he supposed to do, Ciaran? They are just quite a lot better than us.
Eddie Dunn
375 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:27:59
Dan, you are so right. We saw Iwobi reinvented as a ten, then he gets shunted out to wing back never to be seen in their half again!

Lampard hasn't a clue. This is shite, no ambition, and the mindset was so disappointing once we conceded.

George Cumiskey
376 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:28:13
Howard Don,

Okay, tactics great first half then, after the Pickford fucks up, they went to shit!

Jack Convery
377 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:28:26
Composure in the first half and we should have gone in at H/T 1 up. Mistake by Pickford gifts them the penalty. He should have held it and knows it. 2nd goal scored as we had to open up and have a go at them.

They had subs we would love at Goodison.

We are a work in progress, due to mismanagement. They are now challengers on all fronts. The difference is obvious – we have Bill Kenwright, whilst they have Daniel Levy – simples.

Stuart Sharp
378 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:28:53

I thought Spurs were every bit as boring as us. We gifted them two goals. We missed two good chances. And that's more or less all that happened.

Paul Hewitt
379 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:29:35
Beaten by a much better team. Shock horror.
Lee Paige
380 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:29:42
Jack, it could – and maybe should have been 0-2 at half time.
Ian Edwards
381 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:30:04
1. Mykolenko at fault for both goals. Gave Doherty acres of space for a shot then lost the ball in midfield.

2. McNeil and Gray are both lightweight and give the ball away.

3. Taking Coleman off and putting Iwobi at right back was ridiculous.

4. Leaving three holding mids on at 1-0 until Gueye was hooked.

Will Mabon
382 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:30:34
Julian, was on the phone with my brother for much of the second half. I shouted "Fuck off!" at him three times.
Susong Hermawan
383 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:30:47
Still.. not good enough.

Ralph Basnett
384 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:30:55
When a good team are behind, they send on forwards to try and win; when we are behind, we send on defenders to protect our goal difference!!!!!!

We have three young forwards who, whilst not prolific, would do more than Maupay and yet they are fucking about in other teams, says it all really.

Tony Hill
385 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:31:09
Jim @351, correct. Vinagre needs a go. But I am afraid that the Pickford error was the turning point. It really was a shocker.

Overall, we're just bloody awful, the same cringing dread of winning – game after game, season after season, decade after decade.

Colin Glassar
386 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:31:11

I didn't see Lampard chickening out of too many tackles but I did see Seamus, Mykolenko and Iwobi not getting stuck in on several occasions.

Martin Mason
387 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:31:35
We lost this game because overall Spurs were the better team, and they well deserved the win. Why is this so difficult to understand?
Eddie Dunn
388 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:31:43
No Jack, we should have started with Garner, not McNeil. Then taking off Gana left a gap and Højbjerg scored from that space.

McNeil and Gray were terrible. Maupay should have stayed on and combined with Calvert-Lewin. Not bloody Rondon. Frank is a fuckin muppet.

Julian Exshaw
389 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:31:50

I agree, we are a work in progress but, as hard as I try, I see little progress apart from the addition of the new centre-backs.

Ian Riley
390 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:32:06
Can't pass.
Can't tackle.
One striker up front.

Let's play 4-4-2. Tackle players on the other team when they have the ball. Pass to a team mate in the same colour shirt.

How has football become so complicated?

Frank, get back to basics.

I said staying up will be an achievement. It will be.

Night all!!

Will Mabon
391 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:32:33
Ian, Mykolenko is standing off more and more, I don't know what Cole's telling him.
Danny Baily
392 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:32:52
A beating midweek then the winnable fixtures return. These games are all about keeping it respectable, and we did that to some extent last week and tonight.

It's all about Palace and Leicester at Goodison.

Barry Rathbone
394 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:33:33
Serious question for the gamblers out there.

Is there money to be had betting on Everton losses given the predictability against certain outfits?

es, we get the odd result but generally if you stick a fiver on us getting a stuffing from the likes of Man Utd and Spurs, are you ahead at the end of the year?

Stephen Smyth
395 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:34:01
Bin Gueye, Pickford, Maupay and McNeill – woeful....

No shame in getting beat but 2nd week in a row – performance has been cowardly and meek.

Never a penalty – Kane knees Pickford in the head.

Matt Butlin
396 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:34:31
Because we didn't take our (the game's best) chances, Martin.

That, and Kane clearly conned the ref.

We sold Spurs our main cheat this summer and didn't replace him.

George Cumiskey
397 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:35:07
I'm flabbergasted McNeil stayed on for the whole game... mind-boggling!
Ralph Basnett
398 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:35:48
Tony Hill
399 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:36:05
Stuart @378, you're right which makes our failure to even try to lay a glove on them all the more shameful.

As you say, we had two decent chances out of nothing and shat our pants on both.

Did you really think we were going to score either? No, nor did I. That's Everton right there: frightened.

Michael Kenrick
401 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:37:26
Tarkowski was great but why the fuck is he treating Højbjerg so the fucker is in good shape to score the killer second goal??? How utterly fucking ridiculous.

I blame fucking Everton in the Community. We are just one ridiculous fucking charity when it comes to playing football!!! I am fucking seething.

Jerome Shields
402 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:38:47
Paul #331,

In recent seasons, Everton have played better against Top 6 sides than lower table sides.

Jonathan Tasker
403 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:39:43
Joe Digney
404 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:40:08
Should've gone in at least 1-0 up at half-time. I thought first half Franks's game plan was working.

Never a penalty in a million years, fuck knows why it doesn't go to the VAR to at least look at it, who decides which teams get to appeal through VAR?

We look clueless when the onus is on us to attack, which is very worrying. Not sure how Frank changes it coz there's absolutely zero movement in the final third.

Off to bury me head in several krieks and make the most of being in Brugge.

Onwards and upwards, Blues...

Will Mabon
405 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:40:13
Michael, Denise out?
Jim Bennings
406 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:40:13
What response will we have at the home of the beheaders on Wednesday night?

We'll be up against a raucous crowd of fat screaming Geordies; if we capitulate there like we did in February, then the small drop of confidence we should have been on before last week will start evaporating very quickly.

Charles Brewer
407 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:40:56
Overall, I didn't think Spurs were any better than us. I still think Kane was looking for an arm to trip over, and the second goal was a deflection which Pickford would have saved.

The trouble was we should have gone in 2-0 up.

I'm not sure why Rondon came on, he really isn't any use unless you are banging in dozens of crosses from the wings and hoping one bounces off him. Iwobi was seriously underwhelming today, largely, I think becasue he never saw the ball.

In some ways, I think our biggest loss this year isn't Calvert-Lewin, it.s Townsend whose ability to shoot very effectively from outside the box makes our attacks much more dangerous – indeed we saw that last week with Iwobi (before the Alamo defence was called into play, with the usual Alamo outcome).

Pete Jeffries
408 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:41:07
Another negative performance. Sitting back asking for trouble. Both full-backs never go over the halfway line. Mykolwenko is never close to his man, usually 10 yards off, and had a real stinker.

Only Coady and Tarkowski played well but under far too much pressure due to the hopeless players in front of them always second to the ball all through the match.

Tony Everan
409 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:41:32
Is that 1 point from twelve from the Sky 6? That to me tells the tale more than anything. They have that extra quality up front that can always squirm a win out of a tight game.

That was the main difference I thought, we've got no penetration and when we do get a chance it is squandered.

Positives? Calvert-Lewin now will be starting, the other four forwards can fight it out to be a starter from now on. We have to start doing more work to get beyond the full back and get a cross in from much more dangerous positions. Although Garner looks like he can supply quality balls in from deeper.

Offensively we are not putting anywhere near enough pressure on the opposition, that's something that now Calvert-Lewin is back must change.

Will Mabon
410 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:42:00
Joe, yet two other decisions went to VAR without interrupting play, apparently.
Graham Haines
412 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:42:11
Feels like we turned up hoping for a draw; as soon as Pickford made the error and they scored, it was game over.

Far too negative, set up to draw and creating nothing becomes boring turgid football.

Alan J Thompson
413 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:42:40
An awful game between two poor sides!

We had no midfield to speak of, Onana was nowhere to be found, Gana doesn't have a positive or creative idea in his body and Iwobi was played wide where we know he is wasted. We certainly miss Patterson who shows more going forward than anything out there today while McNeil and Maupay might try hard but are just not up to it and Gray looks a million dollars but turns out to be less than 50 cents.

As for the penalty, yeah, right, Pickford perhaps shouldn't have lost control of the save and tripped Kane by putting his head between his legs??? As for the second, the defence was all over the place.

Just as a final little observation, that dirty little hypocrite Son getting Gana booked while he queried his own sending off for that terrible leg break on Gomes!

Sorry, but just an awful display that seemed to lack any sort of plan.

Steavey Buckley
414 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:43:04
Frank Lampard is not brave enough with his team selections or his substitutions.

He plays Coleman at right-back (who is way past his best) so has Iwobi covering for him. Lampard then has Gueye covering for the two centre-halves but does not get forward or offer anything noteworthy.

So effectively, Everton had 6 defenders but still get beat. Yet, Frank Lampard was a bustling midfield player with an 'eye' for goal, so the Everton team selection is mystifying. But he will still play a stifling Everton team against Newcastle and Everton will still get beat.

I give up.

Colin Glassar
415 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:43:20
Martin Mason,

I don't often agree with you but you're spot on. We are still making silly mistakes which is costing us points. We are totally gummy upfront (Maupay is bang average) and we are not brave in the tackle.

We lost to two teams who will be challenging for the Top 4 slots whereas, like it or not, we'll be challenging for mid-table safety.

Bill Gall
416 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:43:52
Does anybody believe that, if Everton would have tried to go head to head against Spurs, the result would have been different?

Even playing defensively the first half Everton should have been ahead, and the only way Spurs won despite all their possession was 2 stupid mistakes that they cashed in on.

The opportunities that Gray and Onana had – could you imagine Kane or Son missing them?

We are aiming for around a 10th to 14th position not for Top 6. And the difference is quality in players that we don't have.

Ian Edwards
417 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:44:59
I've been criticised on here for slaughtering managers and I'm biting my lip today. He got that badly wrong today.
Matt Butlin
418 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:45:24
Michael @401. Could not have put it any better.
Tony Abrahams
419 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:46:12
Beaten by a better team, Pickford should have held the shot, but you only had to have a look at one angle to see that Kane dived. Football is a horrible sport now, and it's got the VAR for what?

Agree we are not brave enough in the tackle, and it's something I can't understand because the ref was dishing out yellow cards like confetti to Everton players.

Garner has got to start because the kid looks like he's got a big heart.

Colin Glassar
420 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:46:57
Last season we “went for it” and were humiliated. Just saying like.
Geoff Williams
421 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:49:40
Lampard's use of substitutes shows he really doesn't have a clue how to change a match around. Had no issue with bringing on Calvert-Lewin for Maupay or Garner but it should have been for Gray or McNeil with Iwobi moving forward.

I would like to ask Lampard when has Rondon ever had an impact on a game, his inclusion is a total waste of time. After all the optimism, another loss against Newcastle and we are back in the relegation battle.

Kevin Elliott
422 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:50:46
Well said, Bill 416. One positive for me was that Tarkowski was the best player on the pitch.
Ray Jacques
423 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:51:07
Didn't expect anything, didn't get anything. We are light years away from being a Top 6 team.

Anyway it was better than last season. Rancid club.

Jim Bennings
424 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:51:15
I said it last week, Frank needs to do with Onana what Moyes did with Fellaini in his first season when he found the physicality and pace hard.

Onana could be a real threat just hanging about as a second striker almost but in midfield he's getting lost a bit right now.

Joe McMahon
425 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:52:55
Michael K@401.

Everton are the People's Club, Alan Ball played for us and Dixie scored a hatfull of goals 80-odd years ago. Just be pleased about that!

I fully agree, Nice FC (again).

Christy Ring
426 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:53:55
Playing 5 at the back with McNeil as wingback backfired. McNeill should have been off instead of Coleman, Iwobi was totally lost at wingback.

Spurs losing Richarlison turned the game; Bissouma, as an extra man in midfield, let them dominate.

The penalty turned the game, Ian Edwards can blame Mykolenko, but Pickford totally at fault for losing the ball. Mykolenko should have got the ball ahead of Kane, or at least tackled him, and he's a left-back not a centre-back.

Bringing on Rondon instead of playing Maupay with Calvert-Lewin in my opinion was also a mistake. Frank got it wrong.

Will Mabon
427 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:55:55
Five at the back will not work for this team at this stage. This very team has even proved it.

But hey, what do I know?

Steavey Buckley
428 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:58:12
Iwobi wasn't playing as a wing-back because Everton had a flat back four. Iwobi was covering for Coleman because he isn't good enough anymore.
Jeff Armstrong
429 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:58:21
Tarkowski played on the right tonight, he was very good, Coady was better than Tarks as a left sided centre back too.
Kevin Molloy
430 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:58:22
Sounds like we didn't embarrass ourselves.

I'll take that.

Tony Hill
431 Posted 15/10/2022 at 19:59:50
It's not about being gung-ho, it's about having an intelligent measure of self-belief. We are terrified of our own shadows.

I've lost count of the number of times we've embarrassed ourselves on national telly.

Will Mabon
432 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:00:53
Steavey, it was hard to tell what it was for much of the second half. Didn't look like a four to me.
Tony Abrahams
433 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:02:11
Conte quite rightly criticised the officials in England a couple of weeks ago (have the FA got involved?) but I bet you he won't be having these thoughts tonight. (It used to just be Liverpool, but now everyone wants it both ways.)

Everton are still only half a team, and I personally think there is still something wrong with our system.

The midfield balance isn't right, and I think every one of our midfield players go missing at certain times. I feel that the manager has got to switch things around to get the best out of this squad.

Pat Kelly
434 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:03:27
Lampard is succeeding in imposing his brand of football on Everton.

McNeil and Maupay.

When you buy shit, you eat shit.

Kunal Desai
435 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:06:43
The penalty is questionable. But let's be honest: if Lloris's head clashes with Maupay and he goes down theatrically, we take that all day long.

We desperately need recruitment in the creative and forward areas. Gray and McNeil for me are squad players at best.

Next summer is the time to judge Lampard. Until then, the remit is to pick up as many points as possible and get the club into a stable position somewhere between 12th and 14th and the club's objective for this season is met.

Andy Meighan
436 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:07:36
Lack of goals is going to have us in a relegation battle. Not getting two strikers in in the summer was quite frankly fucking ridiculous.

No-one on here – and I mean no-one –can quite honestly say we'll be fine with Calvert-Lewin and Rondon. Then he goes and signs that waste of space Maupay.

For fuck's sake, what do these managers see in some players? He won't score more than 5 for us all season. A terrible signing… absolutely awful.

Hanging his hat on Calvert-Lewin was folly. Looks like he'll never be the same player – mind you, the likes of Haaland Salah and Kane would struggle with that kind of service.

Our midfield is fuckin dreadful: can't tackle, can't close down players, and they create virtually nothing. 1 goal more than once in 10 games all season. Another shocking stat to go with the litany of shite stats we seem to compile.

As for our record against Spurs, for fuck's sake, what's that all about? Someone texted me earlier and said we've never scored against a Conte side in 7 games – how utterly fucking embarrassing is that.

Fuck off, Everton, you've once again managed to ruin another bastard weekend for me. Can't fucking stomach them… honestly, I hate the twats.

See you in the Bottom 3 in a few weeks.

Colin Glassar
437 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:08:14
Tell that to Moshiri, Pat. He's spent half a billion on shit.

Anyways, we are seriously missing Patterson as Seamus is past it and was all over the place today. I love the man but his time is well up and I'd rather see Holgate (if fit) at right-back next game.

Tony Abrahams
438 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:10:06
Being honest, Kunal, I think that this type of cheating and its acceptability is sickening, mate.

I never thought I'd say it but I'm almost certain that it will eventually make me turn my back on watching the game at this level, especially when the VAR doesn't intervene.

Andy Crooks
439 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:11:31
I won't be watching MotD, for the millionth time. I just haven't got the heart that the magnificent Blues have who saved this team last season.

Is there any team in the world who would fear Everton? Any team who would be dreading us? Nice Guys United is what we are; from top to bottom.

Will Mabon
440 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:13:00
Colin, sometimes it really bites.

We've gone from a pretty good team that needed a couple of new players, to an outfit whose aim is survival, with an outside ambition of mid-table.

Half a billion quid's worth of masochism.

Paul Birmingham
441 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:14:54
Another dose of the salts but, until Everton can take good chances, then the pain of such defeats will continue. Why the same focus shown in the first half couldn't be shown in the second half, was numbing.

But I don't think playing McNeil as a defender will help the cause, as he's never gonna be able to make good tackles when required.

Everyone know Kane's the modern-day Franny Lee, so why wasn't he booked for diving? Where was the VAR?

That referee, the same shithouse who denied us the penalty v Man City last season at Goodison, is as inconsistent as ever.

Two avoidable goals conceded, two sitters missed but offensive play today was almost non-existent, and that is concerning.

I hope the team plays with belief at the Barcodes on Wednesday. Beat them, and I'll be happy.

So, in January, do Everton pay good money for a proven striker? Unless you score regular goals, no football team will flourish.

A disappointing end to this week but next week, let's see.

Tarkowski played very well, and was a positive along with Coady, and hopefully in a few weeks, Patterson coming back fully fit should help get some balance in this team.


Andy Crooks
442 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:16:06
Tony, spot on. I am at the checking the Everton result stage. I never watch any football other than our team now.
Alec Gaston
443 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:16:28
Lack of cutting edge to take chances is killing us – we should have been ahead at the break.
Ian Riley
444 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:16:41
Martin #387,

Yes, you're right, Spurs are a better team and performance with statistics: 2-0 was the least Spurs deserved.

Just sometimes the predictability of our performances is frustrating. Just one question: Why substitute one striker and replace with another, and your 1-0 down?

Perhaps that's why I'm not a football manager. It's very complicated.

Paul Birmingham
445 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:21:33
Tony @438, ditto.

The big decisions in games now is a lottery at best, and the officials for the match and at Stockley Park take the proverbial every week. Tonight's match was no different.

Stinks, this game, as there are rules and ethics, and reading the rules of the game now is like reading War & Peace.

So let's reset for the Skunks, and beat them, but playing a team with attacking capability.

Paul Kossoff
446 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:23:11
Why do we expect so much for a team that at best is makeshift? Free transfers, cast-offs, loans, players without a club make up this team.

Coleman, rated finished three seasons ago.

Coady couldn't get in the Wolves side and was available at £4 million.

Tarkowski took his team down: free transfer.

Gana was touted round Europe for free by PSG because he was deemed no longer good enough.

Onana, bought for €6million by PSG, sold after 11 games for over £30 million because he wasn't good enough for the French league.

Garner, couldn't get in the Man Utd team: £15 million.

McNeil, took his side down, poor goals, poor assists no pace or threat: £20 million.

Gray, cast off by Leicester City, sold by his next team for buttons £1.7million.

Maupay couldn't get a game at Brighton: £15 million.

Rondon, free, kicked out of China and Russia, didn't have a club, even the manager was a free!

A hodgepodge of a team that all I expect from is to stay in the Premier League and nothing else.

Yet we all expect a team like that to do something. Why do I support them? Because I'm a true blue, born in Everton. Oh, and hope springs eternal!

Matthew Williams
447 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:24:53

I was proven right about this evening's game. We did alright in the first half but lost this game because of a serial diver and another dodgy VAR decision, plus some poor subs.

Will Mabon
448 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:28:05
Paul - scything.
Peter Collins
449 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:29:34
This never happened until that dimwit Moshiri arrived at Goodison and brought in his Directors of Football, who in turn brought in these poor players, who are not fit for purpose.

Moshiri is the equivalent of Liz Truss at Everton Football Club. God help us.

Kunal Desai
450 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:31:27
The best years since the 80s were the season and a half under big Joe.

The rest is best off forgetten.

Paul Jones
451 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:35:06
I think a lot of people on the site appreciate that this centre-back pairing we've got is the most solid we've had for 5 or 6 years now.

The trouble is, they're also quite slow. So we play deeper to cover those flaws. But that means we struggle to create anything in the final third.

Playing 2 wingers while only Maupay is on the pitch is pointless. He can't win headers.

Playing long balls up to Maupay (even on the floor) is pointless, because he can't hold the ball up and bring others into play.

So, if Calvert-Lewin is fit, either he plays solo up front (straight swap for Maupay) and we keep this formation. Or he plays up front with Maupay but we sacrifice a midfield body and surrender more possession to the opposition.

In my opinion, without an overhaul of the squad in January, swapping Calvert-Lewin for Maupay is the only option we've got. If he's still incapable of stringing two appearances together, then we're basically fucked, because we can't find or afford a centre-forward who can lead the line and get us the 15+ goals needed to keep us in the Pemier League.

Tony Hill
452 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:35:43
Following on from Paul @446.

I wonder whether we'd all be happier if we accepted that we're a dull side of very limited talent, and have been for a long time? I suspect that the answer is "yes".

We need to abandon any realistic hope of ever again being seriously in the hunt for trophies and turn up – eventually, a diminished hard core – to watch a procession of uninspiring games with the odd surprise triumph? That's the truth of us already, isn't it?

What I'm suggesting is that we clear out the delusional nonsense of success being in view, and just relax. Make it all about the matchday experience and take the stuff on the pitch in our stride.

Not sure where that leaves the new Everton Stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock – probably a North West version of the North East white elephants.

UTFT, obvs.

Martin Mason
453 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:37:00
Ian @444,

We have to accept that we are a very difficult work in progress and that sides like Spurs and Man Utd are way ahead of us.

We have no forwards and Spurs have 2 world class strikers in Son and Keane, yet this is irrelevant. For Spurs in the 2nd half, it was a training ground game.

We have to grind out points now from our peer group and expect to lose against better sides like Spurs. We are absolutely in a relegation battle already in that we are in a group of clubs that could go down.

Derek Taylor
454 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:38:43
Suspect the re-signing of Gana was inspired by Chairman Bill who always rated him.

All the professional staff in his first spell here have long disappeared. He's a shadow of his former self!

Will Mabon
456 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:43:14
Tony, that's a very dispiriting post. :-(

Just watched some highlights. The penalty? Marginal contact, fully developed dive. Another one for Salah to practice in training.

Pickford needs to be arguing there, not slumping in surrender.

Andy Meighan
457 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:43:45
I've a nasty feeling that the thread on Wed night/ Thur morning will take on a similar feel to this one.

Be honest, is anyone on here actually expecting us to win at Newcastle because, if I'm honest, I can't see us scoring.

Kunal Desai
458 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:45:19
Don't forget Spurs also played a game in midweek against Frankfurt.

Will Mabon
459 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:45:52
Andy, it's just got to be about the 0-0, I feel.
Kunal Desai
460 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:47:03
No Andy. I expect Newcastle will turn us over. Key games for us are Palace and Leicester at home and getting something on the road at Fulham and Bournemouth.
Will Mabon
461 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:49:37

Palace are tending towards poo, Leicester are shite. You know what that means, don't you?

Mike Gaynes
462 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:55:13
No, it wasn't a soft penalty or a dive or anything like that. It was a clear penalty. Pickford fumbled, Kane got ball, Pickford got Kane. Pickford knew it instantly. Plopped his head down on the turf, disconsolate. No protest from him or any of his defenders. After the penalty, he gave a "that's on me" signal to his teammates.

All in all, it was an Everton effort. Our heart and hard work were clearly on display. So were our multiple limitations of talent. We lost to a better side in top form that have won 8 straight at home, to a manager we've never scored on in 7 games. Until we get more better players in, that's the way it's gonna be sometimes.

Tony Hill
463 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:55:19
I know, Will @456, but I think it's true.

I'm tired of persuading myself, in the teeth of the evidence, that we're still in the game.

Christy Ring
464 Posted 15/10/2022 at 20:59:53
Steavey at 428# — utter bullshit in my opinion.

When Iwobi went to right-wingback, we were totally exposed. In the game I watched, Coleman was comfortable on the right, on his own.

You must have been watching a different game because we had a back 5 with McNeil playing on the left.

Kunal Desai
465 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:02:42
Will, yep they will be tough but the last thing we want is going into a World Cup break in the Bottom 3 or 4.

I think we pick up one or two wins here; defensively we look solid, and not conceding from set-pieces. A couple more 1-0's like West Ham at home will do.

Get to the January window to do a bit of wheeling and dealing if possible.

Tony Abrahams
466 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:04:23
Clear penalty, Mike, on the basis of what's now acceptable in football.

Kane is a top-level player, and he knew he couldn't have got to that ball and put it into the goal. The side angle tells you everything, but it's gone now. I've had enough of controversy, which seems more important than the game itself now IMO.

"His arm was in an unnatural position" is another one of the things that is killing the game, when you consider that the most unnatural of positions is when defenders put their arms behind their back just in case it hits them on the arm.

Will Mabon
467 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:06:34
Tony, it was actually a funny post.

Mike, I don't say it wasn't a penalty, it had to be really. If you watch the replay angle from low from our left-back position, you may see what I mean regarding the maximization by Kane.

Will Mabon
468 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:10:29
Kunal – agreed.

Tony, most natural position for anyone's arm – attached to their shoulder.

Tony Everan
469 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:11:34
On the penalty I haven't watched the replays but I thought it was very soft, Kane was doing what all experienced strikers do in stalemate game, playing the percentages. He was on his way down before any inconsequential contact was made.

Kane knew the script and how referees interpret that for a home side, especially Sky 6 side in front of 60k fans. The referee was wetting his knickers to give the penalty to the England captain; he should have been booked.

I remember Lloris making far more contact with Richarlison at Goodison and play getting waved on because he allegedly got a millimetre of fingernail on the ball after a major VAR inquest found it. It highlights the way many of these decisions go.

Stephen Smyth
470 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:11:43
Have to disagree with some posters. Kane initiated the contact it was knee-to-head, straight out of the Vardy handbook.

Kane, like every England captain, gets away with murder...

Colin Malone
471 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:12:01
Paul #446,

What the hell are you talking about? Surely as a good blue, you speak in haste.

In my opinion, Frankie played the right formation but no balance in midfield, ie, Iwobi, out of his depth, not holding his position {headless chicken}.

Mykolenko needs replacing.

For me. James Garner would be the first name on the team sheet for Wednesday. Ask any Forest fan. To me, he looks the business.

Coady and Tarkowski are our Reidy and Gray, who have been faultless. Considering the FFP, I would love the club to buy world class wingers, young defenders etc. But we haven't got a pot to piss in.

Ed Prytherch
472 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:13:27
That is a good synopsis, Mike. There is no point in berating individual players.

But for the penalty and the deflection, we would have stolen a point which is the most that we can expect when we play Top 4 teams away from home.

Oliver Molloy
473 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:17:38
The team is really missing young Patterson and a fucking striker – say nothing – we are in a battle all the way.

I'm not going to go on and on but we just look very weak.
When you get chances like Onana and Gray, you have to take them.

Hoping I am wrong but £20 million for McNeil, even after 10 games, is looking like another fuck-up.

Mike Gaynes
474 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:18:35
Tony and Will, I'm not an old-timer with a perspective on the more physical football of yore, but in any era where I've watched the game, that one would have been called. Obviously it wasn't hard contact, but it was evident.

And Tony, agreed on the arm thing on penalties. It drives me nuts how many penalties are given these days on handballs that are clearly not deliberate.

I grew up reffing the old ball-to-hand vs hand-to-ball standards, and I still do. Had that exact controversy in a game last night, waving off a penalty appeal for a shot that hit a defender's arm from about three yards away. "His arm was away from his body!" was the cry.

"This ain't the Premier League!" was my reply. "Ball to hand. Play on."

Mike Price
475 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:19:43
We should have kept Martinez. I pine for the days when we kept more possession, even though a lot of it was pointless!

This manager is a dead man walking; likeable but just not what's needed, he's flailing around trying to learn on the job and relying on the fact he used to be a good player. Rarely works…

Wenger, Mourinho, Klopp, Ferguson, Potter weren't great players but change the ethos; we just can't get our recruitment right, whether it be players or managers.

Our only saving grace this season could be Coady and Tarkowski; I'm sure we'd all settle for survival again and those two are fighters.

A bit off topic but I'd sell Pickford in a heartbeat; Mykolenko is a liability; McNeil was a terrible signing; and don't give Iwobi an improved deal. Sell him and get some money back if anyone would actually pay real money.

Just when you think you're getting rid of some deadwood we go and buy a load more!

Will Mabon
476 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:22:48
"I grew up reffing the old ball-to-hand vs hand-to-ball standards, and I still do."

Which worked perfectly and didn't need messing with. Almost think they want the controversy.

Tony Abrahams
477 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:27:30
The only thing that has changed from that era, Mike, is that players now play for penalties – which is exactly what Kane did, imo mate.

All the pundits are slaughtering Pickford. Of course he made a mistake, but if Kane was genuine, then it's possible Pickford might have got his jaw broken because Kane would have fell right on top of Pickford, and possibly smashed his head into the turf, although this could only have happened if the Spurs striker had no intention of going down.

Football is turning into Subbuteo, Mike, the table football game where the players had no arms. I'm beginning to detest the game if I'm being honest.

Mark Murphy
478 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:29:31
All the teams that have beaten us this season are better than us. All the teams we have beaten are not. We will finish mid-table but, if we get beat by the Top 6, it doesn't mean Frank is shite. We're just not that good, yet.

Stop thinking entitlement and start thinking rebuilding. We're getting better, not perfect. Can't win them all and Spurs away is a big ask.


Paul Birmingham
479 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:31:46
That penalty was on par with the dive Jota took last season at Palace away.

Watch it clearly, no contact made with Kane, but a poor reaction from Pickford to recover, and Kane – as he does best, and all the strikers do these days – took a dive.

The referee is so smug, he's above it all. I hope Everton call out use of the VAR in this match, but unlikely, and the biggest hiatus in football is becoming the main talk of the game of football.

Takes the piss, but doesn't detract from a poor Everton second half, all considered.

A big game v the Skunks already, and scoring goals, creating chances is the big issue, and won't be easy to fix and keep a balanced line-up.

Let's hope Patterson comes back fully fit and Everton keep their spirit as they will need it next Wednesday.

Will Mabon
480 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:32:32
Mike @ 475:

McNeil, I have similar concerns.

Mykolenko, I don't know what's happening with the coaching. He's been much better than of late, but seems to be all over the place position-wise, and giving forwards space when he should be closing.

I think we stick with Iwobi providing he is played in the right place. Hopefully bigger money doesn't cause problems.

Stephen Smyth
481 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:36:35
Mike at 475,

Spot on with Pickford, Iwobi and Mykolenko comments.

Iwobi is still all fur coat and no knickers in my opinion.

Tony Abrahams
482 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:42:15
Maybe that's why I've been detaching myself a little bit, Mark M. I think we are slowly getting much more competitive, but a few of the horrible things are slowly creeping back into our play imo.

Keeping the ball is everything, and although this is difficult at times when the opposition put you under pressure, it's slowly becoming harder for certain players to do.

This isn't really acceptable, and until it's rectified with better quality, then we will always struggle in certain games.

Brian Wilkinson
483 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:42:53
Paul, the VAR did check it but said it was not a clear and obvious error. Pickford's reactions made the ref's mind up for him.

If that was any of the top sides, their keeper would have got up and been in the face of Kane saying he dove – not our goalkeeper though, he may as well as got up, go over to the ref and say it was a penalty.

We need to learn to take advantage of chancing our luck, trying to get away with something, than look as guilty as hell and not try the big boy's gamesmanship.

Interesting from minute one, the commentators were on Pickford's case about time wasting, yet when one-nil up and time wasting? Oh, that was 'game management' from Spurs.

Two games running we have shot ourselves in the foot.

Oliver Molloy
484 Posted 15/10/2022 at 21:56:41
Just to add, having watched the penalty award, it was indeed very soft.

As others have already pointed out, Pickford's reaction was like an admittance of guilt, when really he should have been in the ref's face, going off his fucking head...

Had he done so, I think the ref would have been told to go and look.

England captain… can't piss him off, eh, Jordan!

Paul Birmingham
485 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:04:55
Brian, thanks for clarifying but, if so, it was air-brushed out as it wasn't even shown under normal VAR review; I didn't see it played on TV.

Nothing will change and perhaps, conspiracy theory (joking), the FA have decided, with the World Cup a few weeks away, there is no room for inflicting more angst on the maligned England team, with perceived slander of Captain Harry Kane taking a dive, coupled with injuries and poor form for the England team

At least Franny Lee and his ilk executed proper dives, rather than pathetic soft dives, like in today's game. Kane's a good player but has always and will always be one of the worst divers in the game.

But I'm starting to think that the excuse of a fair official at this match plays the rules to a degree and then relies on the VAR?

They get away with murder every game. We have had a few go our way but, in the main, sweet fuck-all. The more it goes on unchallenged and then glorified by typically ex-RS and Man Utd players on Sky and BT Sport, and the Toon Hero on MotD, the more it drives me further away from the game of football.

The past is the past, and I live for the present but the quality of match officials in the Premier League is at the worst level in my view. But dust down and get set for the Skunks on Wednesday.

It's two bad defeats, but a fine margin today, in view of taking good chances to score. If... and only...

Wednesday's result will not decide this season but will set the tone for the pre-Christmas period. Massive game and a chance to make amends and grind out a result.

Stephen Meighan
486 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:21:00
Another terrible performance from Everton tonight.

Okay, I didn't really expect us to go there and tear the book up but trying to defend for 90 minutes plus then relying on scraps up front... Come on.

Second half was embarrassing waiting for the inevitable to happen. Pickford was at fault for the penalty, he should've held that shot from Docherty. Kane is always gonna go down after the reaction from the challenge.

All-in-all, a really disappointing night.

Brian Murray
487 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:22:26
Won't go as far as say corrupt but why upset the status quo and really go against the Top 4 if no-one questions it?

Bit like our laughable 'strategic review' when the head of the snake always survives. Check the club badge ˜– never mind the decision first.

Nothing bitter or biased from me, it's why I fell out of love with post-Sky football a long time ago... albeit I always love the Blues.

Tony Abrahams
488 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:27:20
I know when I played football that I wanted my teammates to help me out when I made a mistake, but these VARs obviously think the best way to help out their teammate is by agreeing with him, even when he's got something wrong.

Everyone is slaughtering Pickford, and yet nobody is criticising Kane or the officials, shows me that cheating is so much more acceptable than making a mistake in the eyes of the powers that be.

The powers that be = the media.

Ian Edwards
489 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:28:27
Team I'd play at Newcastle:

Coleman Coady Tarkowski Vinagre
Garner Onana Gray
Calvert-Lewin Maupay.

Ian Edwards
490 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:30:49
Paul @479,

No contact with Kane????? Pickford headbutts him in the thigh. I expect bias on here but anyone saying it wasn't a penalty is mad.

Simon Dalzell
491 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:35:00
We've still got a lot of very average players.

Also, McNeil £20 million... Maupay £15 million. He's crap. Maybe both of them.

Soren Moyer
492 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:36:55
Buckle up for yet another relegation battle!!!
Ray Jacques
493 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:44:48
Does anyone really expect anything except defeat against Newcastle? We are light years from the top teams. Just need to beat the teams around us and finish 12th to 15th as that's our level.

People getting annoyed because we didn't beat Spurs away, jeez they treated it as a training game 2nd half, they are that much better.

Paul Birmingham
494 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:46:17
Brian, Brian, and Tony, it's not a game of football by the Football Rules, but as you say quite rightly, Tony, by the circus which is driven by the media, who provide the bulk of the money for the Premier League.

Everton will improve but the angst of time and this latest defeat makes every game massive, as the road to consistency in terms of results is far away. But one week of two defeats doesn't define a season.


Kieran Kinsella
495 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:48:14
Penalty deniers. When Neil Taylor broke Coleman's leg, I didn't see anyone complaining that 40 years ago, that was something Billy Whitehurst did weekly.

Yes, Kane put himself in a position where he'd likely get a penalty but what would you have him do? Politely hand the ball to Pickford?

By today's standards, it was a penalty and we live in today so it was a no-brainer for me. Pickford screwed up. It happens.

Phil Sammon
496 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:54:30
It's neither here nor there, but this multi-ball system is unfair in my opinion.

I'm all for tackling time-wasting but there is skill in putting the ball in Row Z to allow your teammates to get back and into position. Sometimes the new ball is back in play before the clearing player has even made it back on the pitch. That can't be right.

Kieran Kinsella
497 Posted 15/10/2022 at 22:57:36

Sorry, mate, you're heading into Klopp territory with that complaint.

Paul Hewitt
498 Posted 15/10/2022 at 23:03:44
Anyone moaning about losing today needs to grow up. We lost to a far better side. It's sport, it happens.
Paul Birmingham
499 Posted 15/10/2022 at 23:05:14
Ian, I take your view with respect but I will keep my view, and I'm far from mad in context, and I know you're not mad.

But Kane dived seconds after contact, from Pickford, very clever, but standard Harry Kane, and all Premier League players, in the same position.

No VAR requirement, and the version of Pickford's body language made up the referee's mind, is shite.

Each to their own view, respectfully it is right, but results wise a bad week for Everton. Overall, there's enough negativity on this thread to last a season.

It's a work in progress, and will take a long time, the next game counts.


Mike Gaynes
500 Posted 15/10/2022 at 23:05:34
Simon #491,

I would just point out that we have won two games this season. Maupay scored the winner in one, McNeil the other.

Not necessarily disputing your opinion -- I was opposed to both signings -- but it should be noted that we would likely be winless in 10 without them.

Phil Sammon
501 Posted 15/10/2022 at 23:07:19

Sorry, Kieran, it sounds like I'm a sore loser with the timing of the comment, but it's something I've thought for a while now, even while watching other teams that I'm not completely biased about.

Brian Wilkinson
502 Posted 15/10/2022 at 23:26:01
Everyone saying it was a soft penalty and the VAR not getting involved and we need to deal with it.

It was only afterwards that the VAR said they did not get involved because they did not think the ref had made an obvious error.

If people are happy to accept that, then why the hell when the same thing happened to Everton a few seasons back against of all teams Spurs, Richarlison goes down after the goalkeeper had deemed to have got the slightest touch on Richarlison, Richarlison gets up, keeper in no-man's lands and the ref blows for a penalty.

So why did the VAR jump all over that, and advised the ref to go and take a look? Result: ref changes his mind, not only ruling the penalty out, but denying Richarlison to get a shot off, with the keeper already rounded and beaten.

No-one can tell me the game is not corrupt and the big boys are getting absolutely everything going for them.

Tony Abrahams
503 Posted 15/10/2022 at 23:28:11
Well put, Kieran, because we do live in today. Pickford butted Kane's thigh?

Ian, you should be on the telly, because at least you're trying to be honest. 😂

Ciarán McGlone
504 Posted 15/10/2022 at 23:33:16
There seems to be a prevailing piece of bullshit on this site that we are a shit team and therefore these performances are inevitable.

Utter drivel.

That team was set up to defend today. Even when we get the ball, the play is backwards... the person with the ball and those moving for it. Every single player is anticipating getting into their defensive form. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

That team is shit scared to lose... and ironically that's mostly what you are going to get with that formation, tactic and most importantly... mindset!!

That's on Frank.

Paul Hewitt
505 Posted 15/10/2022 at 23:57:30
Ciaran @504.

Sometimes, if you're too adventurous, you get smashed.

Brian Murray
506 Posted 16/10/2022 at 00:08:27
Home or away, on target or not, there's no excuse for having four shots on goal.

The next midfielder, winger or striker we get in January, make sure he knows what goal posts look like from 20 yards or more.

Shaun Lyon
507 Posted 15/10/2022 at 00:08:44
What a grim day.

Invited by a mate who's a wealthy Spurs fan, i had the whole corporate experience. Leaving that aside – and I will just say, give me the Blue Dragon or similar pre-match any day of the week – i had to watch that dross amidst the home fans.

Interesting at least to hear their view. Spurs have, I believe, won all their home games – the consensus was that 1st half we managed the defending deep and playing on the break scenario better than anyone they've thus far played.

They weren't anything to write home about, evidently, but upped the tempo 2nd half and got the goal. I was in line and it looked a stonewall penalty to me.

Just all very predictable and the usual sensations of disappointment and frustration.

Jerome Shields
509 Posted 16/10/2022 at 01:05:28
Against Top 6 sides, there is more space to play. Everton seemed intent on surrendering that space and were not set up to take advantage off it.
John Raftery
510 Posted 16/10/2022 at 01:31:06
Brian (502),

The incident you describe happened last November. I thought it was disgraceful at the time and still do.

Mike Gaynes
511 Posted 16/10/2022 at 01:51:38
We are not a "shit" team. We are, however, a team whose 10 outfield starters could not have cracked the starting lineup of the team we played today. Their attack line was Kane, Son and Richarlison. Ours was Maupay, Gray, McNeil. No comparison. And so on.

The way you beat a team of superior players is not to challenge them straight up, man to man. The way to beat them is sit back, absorb as a team, and look to sucker punch them on the counter. That's what Lampard did.

It was the right tactic, the right setup and the right mindset. And it could have worked if either Gray or Onana could have put their shots on frame.

But the simple natural law of the game is that, most of the time, the side with the best players wins. Today they did.

Danny Broderick
512 Posted 16/10/2022 at 02:41:52
Just looking at ToffeeWeb and haven't read the 500+ comments. But I find Michael's article uber negative - I think you need to rein in your expectations, Michael.

We generally did okay for an hour. We looked solid at the back, and had the better chances. It was a marked improvement from last season's fiasco.

I thought the penalty was soft after a massive clanger from Pickford. And then I thought we were shit after that to be fair. But what did you expect Michael? “Another ridiculous defeat… where the fuck was Calvert-Lewin?…Tarkowski helping a player with cramp…”.

We were playing away from home against a team that will likely finish in the Top 5, and we gave a good account of ourselves. They are a better team than us – we are a work in progress.

You sound like an angry man just ranting nonsense. Calvert-Lewin is being eased back. And what Tarkowski did is what most players would do to be honest to get the game up and running again – it was our time after all, we were getting beat 1-0!!

Hopefully Lyndon's report will be more balanced.

Steve Brown
513 Posted 16/10/2022 at 03:24:34
I didn't enjoy the gameplan and switched off at half-time. When we squandered those two chances, it was easy to see how the game would go.

You cannot make mistakes against teams like that. We made several.

On the penalty, it was a bit soft but then Tierney looked desperate to give them something all game.

Kieran Kinsella
514 Posted 16/10/2022 at 03:26:02

You forgot to mention that the weak link in Spurs' attack (they were better when he went off) was our best attacking player up until 4 months ago and we sold him for £50 million and replaced him with a guy who cost a quarter of that price.

For what it's worth, I thought Tarkowski played particularly well, Coady was solid, Onana, Gueye, Gray and Garner did pretty well. Iwobi, Maupay, Calvert-Lewin and Rondon barely saw the ball.

Pickford made one costly error; otherwise was good. Mykolenko wasn't great, and poor old Seamus …. all those clearances where he sent the ball back into the danger zone. No lack of effort on his part but he looked past it today, I'm afraid.

McNeil… I just am not sure of his purpose but I'll give him time. But realistically we are defensively much improved but it's gonna take time to get the other half.

Kieran Kinsella
515 Posted 16/10/2022 at 04:28:51

I did watch the second half but, yeah, after those misses, at half-time I thought: “I've seen this play out a certain way at Spurs about 40 times before.”

Steve Brown
516 Posted 16/10/2022 at 04:35:54
It was Groundhog Day, wasn't it, Kieran?
Charles Brewer
517 Posted 16/10/2022 at 05:48:05
For those who thought it was a definite penalty, Kane is quoted (in the Telegraph) as saying he thought Pickford was unlucky.

That's about as near to a confession as I can imagine.

The ref may not have been bent, but the VAR certainly was.

Brian Murray
518 Posted 16/10/2022 at 06:28:17
What happened to the new mean mentality of Everton acting and screaming for unjustified decisions against us?

Pickford, Coady etc should've been dragging the ref to look at the penalty but no, it's ''Thanks very much, it's only Everton.'

Anything like that today against the Red Shite and it would be discussed in parliament.

Danny O’Neill
519 Posted 16/10/2022 at 07:23:37
For most of that game, we done what I had expected. Kept it tight and mostly defended well. Particularly Tarkowski. He stood out for me.

The problem is we didn't have a threat and wasted the few chances we managed to create. They had the quality when it mattered. In many ways similar to last week. It shows the work we still have to do to get to where we want and need to be. We'll get there, it's just going to need hard work throughout the club.

At first glance, I thought it was a penalty. As soon as I saw the replay, no. Surely they're going to review it. No. Not a chance. No need to look at it because it's Harry Kane.

Someone tell me if I've been on the bitter pills but at the other end and it's Maupay, that definitely gets reviewed and probably overturned. There were other star-struck decisions that went the other way, but I can't be bothered singling them out.

I'll be honest, at the time, I was still mumbling on about Pickford's mistake. I don't like beating up on keepers, especially as Jordan has saved us on more than one occasion. Excuse the unintended pun. But that one cost us the match and I felt for the defence as they had stood up well to the challenge and I hadn't really felt too threatened in an away game against a notoriously difficult opposition on their own turf.

I got shouted at because I mouthed off some choice words at Tarkowski for helping out with the cramp. Bad sportsmanship on my part as you should always help out a fellow player. It was just sheer irony and coincidence that the player went on to score the killer goal.

What's next? Newcastle. We're due a win again.

Brian Murray
520 Posted 16/10/2022 at 07:31:40
Once again, the knee-jerk reaction of letting players, particularly Dobbin, go out on loan is haunting us. You can't tell me he wouldn't affect a game more than Maupay.

Limp through to January. All so unnecessary but we will get there.

Danny O’Neill
521 Posted 16/10/2022 at 08:11:10
Watching highlights, so in more of a reflective mode.

If Gray looks up and doesn't forget his lines, it's a tap in for Maupay. A part of Gray's game that is stopping him being as good as he could be.

Pickford does excellent to prevent Kane on two occasions. He almost got to the penalty as well.

Apparently it was checked, so I'll refrain slightly. I'm still not convinced it was a penalty though.

Unlucky for that second, which I didn't realise at the time. Iwobi presses as you would expect, but the deflection beats Pickford. I think he'd have got to it otherwise.

But we didn't threaten, so no excuses.

Frank very honest in his assessment.

Ashley Williams commenting on Everton. How dare he.

Harry Kane love fest going on. I don't think they even reviewed the game, just a Harry Kane assessment. The only other mention was Bissouma occupying "the other 2 midfielders for Everton". Is that the best they can come up with because they didn't know their name?

I shouldn't watch! Amateurs or groupies. I can't decide.

Mike Gaynes
522 Posted 16/10/2022 at 08:11:43
Brian #520, on what basis are you "haunted" by the absence of Dobbin?

The 48 minutes he has played for us in his entire career?

Or his minimal impact this season as a part-timer in League One?

Yeah, in fact I'd be pretty confident in telling you he wouldn't have more effect than Maupay.

Tony Abrahams
523 Posted 16/10/2022 at 08:15:59
Paul @508,

Join me in prayer, mate, because hopefully soon Moshiri is going to have to sell and then the Kenwright era will finally be over.

From holes in his shoes to holes in the main stand roof, Bill has lived the dream, made an absolute fortune, and Everton's managed decline would have been so much quicker without the greatest Evertonian alive. 🙏

Eddie Dunn
524 Posted 16/10/2022 at 08:24:55
I watched the American NBC feed and although the commentators aren't as biased as here in Britain, they are British (Lee Dixon and one other) but they seemd delighted for Kane, never questioned the "trip" and enthused eagerly about Kane's 5000th goal.

The script was back on track and that seemed to make them happy.

Later, cooking dinner, I listened to a bit of the Radio 5 live phone-in. Sutton called out Kane for simulating, but the idiot Savage thought it was a stonewall pen. Most callers thought he dived. I was sure that VAR would overturn it and I saw Pickford asking the ref if it had been checked.

There is definitely an unwritten rule, that checks will certainly be made in some cases but perhaps not be made in others.
Rather than clear and obvious errors, I think it is more a case of does it further the needs of the Premier League brand.

Salah, Kane, Ronaldo, Jesus go down after that contact... penalty all day long. Maupay, Ayew, Daka, Pudence go down... forget it mate.

Brian Murray
525 Posted 16/10/2022 at 08:28:58
Mike @522.

Maybe yes... but why put us in this position of relying on a one-game-in-four striker? Just seemed a bit rash letting him go with only Rondon and an unfit striker left.

Mike Gaynes
526 Posted 16/10/2022 at 08:30:50
Danny #521, all penalties are checked automatically. It's not always obvious.

I wonder if Ashley Williams commented on his fight with the U12 coach in his son's league?

Jonathan Tasker
527 Posted 16/10/2022 at 08:32:32
Tony @523.

Do you think that, even if Moshiri is forced to sell, that Kenwright will go?

I don't think Kenwright will ever leave. Well, until he dies.
Hope I'm wrong and that we get rid of the Kenwright curse.

Dave Abrahams
528 Posted 16/10/2022 at 08:57:34
It's hard to discuss this game without having a go at a lot of Everton players, Tarkowski and Coady excluded, with a mention for Gana in midfield.

Frank has a plan for playing in defence but not for playing in the opponent's half. When our players stray – that's the correct word to describe the way we attack – into their half, they look lost. The full-backs don't even go there.

We had two good chances to score, both provided by mistakes or poor defending by Spurs players. Spurs became very selfish in the second half and never offered up any more chances to our team, so that was the end of our chances of getting a goal.

Frank's plans seemed to resemble Mrs Truss and her hapless Chancellor's plans: useless and made up as they went along.

It was very uninspiring and more than depressing watching this performance by the Blues. And that was looking at it from the comfort of y living room –what was it like for those terrific fans who made the long journey down there, watching that rubbish, then facing a long miserable trip home?

I really felt for all of you last night and yet most of you will be there on Wednesday night. Frank and his players truly don't deserve you.

Let's see what happens in January. Help is definitely needed to make this squad stronger with in-and-out moves absolutely necessary, and better plans needed to improve our game.

Brian Murray
529 Posted 16/10/2022 at 08:58:07

If he's invited or anywhere near the opening of our new stadium, it's like asking Guy Fawkes to open a new wing of Parliament.

Hope he's long gone – tomorrow is not quick enough.

Dave Carruthers
530 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:01:18
Having read through a particularly depressing TW, I would like to refer to Mike Gaynes (511), Danny Broderick (512) and Danny O'Neill (519) for taking a pragmatic, more objective and positive assessment.

Just prior to the penalty, I had mentioned that the game had been a masterclass (okay, maybe a slight overstatement!) of how to harness a team's individual strengths but recognize their shortcomings.

We knew Spurs are at their most potent on the breakaway yet we defended deep (to our strengths), looked pretty comfortable with and without the ball,l and played to our own, similar strengths and, of course, should have been two up.

Of course, we can look at the unfortunate bounces just prior to Gray and Onana shooting, but it does highlight how much more clinical we need to be when our chances are currently likely to be few and far between.

The Pickford mistake was desperately unfortunate. As Danny says, he has saved us so often in the past 12 months, but when you are searching to be clinical at one end, you need to be 100% at the other.

The rest of the game, of course, was a reflection of our current shortcomings. We really struggle to take the game to opponents, put them under pressure, and when we do, it leaves us open at the back.

A fully fit Calvert-Lewin will help – but when will that be? I suspect only after the World Cup, when the return of Patterson and Godfrey can only help.

I thought that overall it was a better performance than against Man Utd. Last week, we never looked in control, whilst, as said, the first hour today we did.

I'm sure it will be more of the same on Wednesday but we must then make the most of an easier run of fixtures before the break.

There is a resilience about the side which certainly makes me think we can win the games against those teams around and below us.

Finally, a big shout out to Tarkowski who was superb today.

Steavey Buckley
531 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:10:06
Coleman and Gueye will be the first 2 names on the team sheet against Newcastle; sums up Everton's little chance of beating Newcastle.
Ciarán McGlone
532 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:30:05
You'd think Spurs were the 1970 Brazil team to listen to some of you lot.

Pathetic justification of pathetic tactics... with the inevitable result.

Terry Farrell
533 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:37:35
Spot on Dave C.

Too many "glass half-full" merchants on here.

Give Frank full support

Rennie Smith
534 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:39:40
Usually hysterical negativity on here. Can you tell me that was as bad as last season's battering?

If (and it's a massive 'if') at least one of those two big chances were taken in the first half you'd be praising a tactical masterclass. But no, an unfortunate penalty and a deflection and we're suddenly "They're all shite, including the manager."

I thought Tarkowski was immense, and why is he getting grief for helping Højbjerg with cramp? We're 1-0 down and want to get on with the game, for fuck's sake.

Duncan McDine
535 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:40:22
Well, we didn't touch the ball for the first 5 minutes, but I was impressed yet again with our shape and organisation. Pickford made a rare mistake by not gathering the ball first time, and after that, it's a soft penalty (but probably still a penalty).

The second goal doesn't happen if we're still 0-0, and shows exactly why Lampard set up the team to be ‘safety first'. Of course at 1-0 down we had to change tactics, but we ended up looking much worse as a result.

Spurs are a better team when breaking at pace, and I'm certain we wouldn't have been in the game at half time had we been more gung-ho.

All that said, it's another loss, but I genuinely still see big improvement from last season which is encouraging (if only to me!!).

Robert Tressell
536 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:41:11
Tactics were absolutely correct for an away game, especially without Patterson, Calvert-Lewin and Gordon.

As others have said, we should probably have been 2-0 up by the time they got their very fortunate penalty.

Once we go a goal down, then of course it's difficult to come back. That's down to the limitations of the players at our disposal though, not the weakness of the tactics.

If we'd been more open and adventurous from the start, we'd probably have shipped 4 or 5 goals.

We remain on course for 10th to 13th spot.

Rennie Smith
537 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:43:39
Ciarán @532 - yeah Spurs aren't all that, they're only 1 point off top spot and level with Man City. Terrible team.
Peter Mills
538 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:43:40
Our defeat at Spurs last March was one of the most toe-curling experiences I've had as an Evertonian. We were a total shambles.

About 25 matches later, our team has changed beyond recognition. I have reservations about the abilities of some of the new recruits, but the reasons around our inability to spend much on reinforcements are to do with our profligacy over the past 5 years, not the present manager.

Yesterday, Frank Lampard sent out a team with a plan. It wasn't a pretty plan, but it was executed well in the first half. It was let down only by the poor finishing of Gray and Onana. We should have had something to hold onto.

I'm sure I was amongst 90% of us who was thinking at half-time “All it takes is a mistake or a deflection and we're knackered” — as it happened, we got both. We were predictably unfortunate in that respect.

Conte changed things when Richarlison had to come off. He used the moment to change formation, something to which our manager was perhaps slow to react. He has shown such reluctance before, but we must bear in mind he has far fewer options off the bench than managers of clubs at the top of the league.

It was always going to be a tough season, and so it is proving. I'm off to climb a Scottish mountain on Wednesday, that will also be tough and there will be stumbles, but sometimes you just have to keep putting one foot in front of the other. That's what this season is about.

Ciarán McGlone
539 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:48:38
Who said they were terrible, Rennie?

They are not, and neither are we.

The last 20 minutes of the Man Utd game last week was a clear example of how we can play when an offensive mindset and tactics are adopted. Our players are not shit – that is just mealy-mouthed justification of a managerial deficiency.

And the usual... "Oh, we'd have lost 15-nil if we'd have tried to play football" is just navel-gazing tripe from the usual sages.

Give me positive play any day of the week... it certainly beats the purported 'pragmatism' of these matchday threads.

Dave Carruthers
540 Posted 16/10/2022 at 09:52:18
Excellent summary, Peter Mills.
Chris Williams
541 Posted 16/10/2022 at 10:04:53
Wise words, Peter.
Danny O’Neill
542 Posted 16/10/2022 at 10:06:34
Brilliant, Peter.

That night was a shock to the system. I stayed until the very end. In shock.

Yesterday, we had a plan. It didn't quite come off, but I don't think Tottenham, early title pretenders, got it easy. They had to work for it.

Good call on Conte changing the formation. My brother called that at the time. Maybe forced by the substitution, but he changed it. Good management.

I kind of agree that Frank needs to do things quicker, but there are two things. When it's close you stick to the plan. And also, what options did he have? There's our problem. Well one of them.

I'm nowhere near as despondent as I was at that stadium in March after yesterday.

Good luck on reaching the top of that peak. Which one? Are you a Munro Bagger?

Trevor Peers
543 Posted 16/10/2022 at 10:10:03
It's pretty obvious we are still paying the price for not investing in goalscorers for a number of years now.

I'm still convinced that selling Gordon was the right option in the last transfer window. Especially as he is now demanding a ludicrous £100k a week in wages which would be totally inappropriate given the fact he doesn't score or create enough goals.

The near £50 million fee for Gordon would've given us the chance to recruit two forwards, who would've given us the goals we need to at least hold a place in the middle of the table.

That opportunity has gone for now and we will continue to struggle to score enough goals until the next transfer window, when hopefully then we can finally address our biggest weakness and is the main reason for our continued struggle to climb out of the bottom positions of the Premier League.

Tony Hill
544 Posted 16/10/2022 at 10:13:09
I’m starting to worry again about the Premier League Table.
Clive Rogers
545 Posted 16/10/2022 at 10:15:12
We have 4 points less than we had after 10 games last season.

We have made some terrible buys: Maupay, McNeil and Gueye are all dreadful. Onana ambles about and plays simple keep possession passes mostly sideways or backwards.

The only positive is that the defence is slightly improved with Patterson, Coady and Tarkowski, but Mykolenko is not playing well.

Brian Harrison
546 Posted 16/10/2022 at 10:19:38
Dave @528,

I am glad I read your post before I posted as you have the same opinion on yesterday's performance as me. I even read some comments on Twitter last night by those who were part of the 27 Years Campaign, saying you can see improvements.

Well, I am sorry, I can't see any improvements – in fact, it's like watching the dross that Benitez and Allardyce served up.

Our so-called gameplan is to play 10 or 11 men behind the ball, and some smart folk call it the low press – it reminds me of what non-league teams do when they are drawn away to a Premier League team in the cup.

But we are Everton, with a rich tradition, and throwing in the towel before a ball is kicked has never and will never be the way we should set about any game.

Every away game falls into the same pattern, regardless of who is selected; as soon as the opposition get the ball, all our players retreat 2 or 3 yards into our own half.

Now I am not saying that you have to deny the opposition time and space when out of possession but that shouldn't mean we allow their central defenders to camp out on the halfway line for most of the game.

Even the newly promoted sides, who could be forgiven for adopting similar tactics to that, actually play a far more offensive game than we do – what a sad indictment that is of our current team.

I know many posters have referred to the two good chances we had, the first was a 35-yard launch upfield by Tarkowski and Gray managed to get onto the hopeful punt but, as usual with Gray, he just can't finish – a problem that permeates right through our team.

Our second chance was caused by two Spurs defenders getting in each other's way and the ball fell to Onana to run on and try and finish. So it wasn't good play that created the chances, or us putting the opposition under pressure.

Just to say I don't believe that constantly changing managers every 18 months, as has been our MO under Moshiri, is ever going to work. But I just hope that one of our coaches, maybe Ashley Cole or Paul Clement, can have a word with Frank and tell him this approach isn't working.

Last season, we could all understand why Frank adopted these tactics, but he said himself that's not how he wanted to play; so, with the new signings he made, I was expecting a very different approach, but that's not what we are seeing – it's the same turgid set up as last season.

And no I know you can't expect to survive relegation one season and be challenging for a European place the following season. But I do expect my team to attack with some intent when in possession; watching Everton when in possession, we prefer to pass back than forward.

Finally, I know Frank was very unlucky to lose his main striker just before the season started, and for him to miss the best part of the first 10 games, but did he really think buying a 5ft-7in striker with no pace and playing him as a lone striker was the answer to the problem?

Because, as yesterday clearly illustrated, when we have 10 men behind the ball, Maupay being alone up front gave our team no out ball when we did get possession back.

Tony Everan
547 Posted 16/10/2022 at 10:37:45
Maupay shouldn't be leading the line; he will be better playing off Calvert-Lewin, feeding off second balls and retaining possession when the aerial ball has been won or spilled from the challenge.

Not signing a genuine back-up or challenger to Calvert-Lewinis still costing us points. Rondon is not fit for purpose, so he cannot be considered.

This has still got to be the priority for the team. We need to retain possession up front and things will then start to work better.

Ian Edwards
548 Posted 16/10/2022 at 10:43:56
I feel I've stepped into some alternate reality reading some posts.

The penalty was nailed on. Pickford head-butted Kane's left thigh at full force. There is no doubt about it all. It's the clearest penalty I've ever seen us concede. If it was the other end and not awarded I'd be chucking things at the TV.

Move on and stop being silly.

Robert Tressell
549 Posted 16/10/2022 at 10:47:02
Brian "we are Everton with a rich tradition".

Well, I'm in my 40s and have witnessed nothing of this rich tradition. So we're just going to have to earn the right over time to play decent, front-foot football by improving the playing staff.

Otherwise, we'll get a good hiding – especially away at club where our best player from last season isn't even guaranteed a start.

After completely overhauling the squad on the cheap, it's going to take a bit of time for players to gel. Even then, the squad is still patchy and light on top quality.

The thing that will obviously make a difference is a high-quality centre-forward. That is probably true of every team outside of the Rich 7. Just like last season, our finishing position will have much to do with Calvert-Lewin's fitness or not.

We'll have a chance to get another forward player in summer along with a few others (possibly through selling Pickford to Man Utd).

In the meantime, we have to keep it tight away from home.

Dave Williams
550 Posted 16/10/2022 at 10:53:19
There's some pretty harsh assessments on here. Spurs are probably the third-best team in the Premier League and who knows what might have happened had Pickford not spilled that shot and given away the penalty.

Frank will make mistakes, like we all do in our jobs – Maupay didn't stand a chance yesterday up against three big centre-backs, not to mention a very physically strong midfield and with no support. Coleman is too far gone now to be able to cope with Son and Iwobi had his quietest game for a very long time.

McNeil gets a lot of criticism on here but I thought he put in a shift as did the also much-maligned Mykolenko. We all know that we need a proper striker and Calvert-Lewin has to get more minutes.

Young Garner looks very useful and Frank has to find a way of getting him into the team – a midfield diamond shape might work and give us more possession?

It would help if Gordon could settle down as he is in danger of becoming something of a prima donna with his reported wage demands, if indeed those reports are true. We need him firing on all cylinders.

This team will take time to settle down. Patterson is badly missed and, if we can get him and Dom fit, then things will look better.

A good team should evolve from this group of players but there will be ups and downs on the way as new players bed in and young players mature.

Peter Mills
551 Posted 16/10/2022 at 11:00:54
Nice try Danny #542 – if I hadn't met you, and know you are a decent guy, I might think you were trying to go off-topic so Michael can wield a red. I'm maintaining discipline!
Dave Abrahams
552 Posted 16/10/2022 at 11:05:33
Brian (546),

I can see some improvement in defence but it is still playing 10 men behind the ball and mostly hoofing it out up in the air to a striker who is 5ft-7in!!

What options did Lampard have? Well, he could've put Vinagre on for Mykolenko, who is having a bad spell.

He could've taken Onana off – he is still flickering like a candle, some bright lights but plenty of dull ones with the flame nearly going out, and replaced him with the energy of Doucoure – a risk, I know, but worth taking with us a goal down.

We never had shot on target throughout the game; the two chances we had were created by Spurs mistakes. We have rode our luck since the season began with the goalposts coming to our aid on a few occasions with the opposition missing some great chances. Yesterday, our luck ran out and Spurs benefited with their bits of luck.

I take in Peter Mills's post, always worth listening to, but I think Lampard plays on the back foot far too much and this has cost us points in the home games versus Chelsea and Forest plus the game at Villa Park where it took us 20-odd minutes to get into their penalty area, I timed this while watching our timid efforts.

Frank has a limited squad, I understand that, but surely he can get more out of them, especially going on the attack.

Gerry Quinn
553 Posted 16/10/2022 at 11:10:17
Optional video of the "dive" by Kane - to me it was Pickford's arms that caused the "dive" to be enacted!

Alternative view of Kane's "Dive" today

Brian Harrison
554 Posted 16/10/2022 at 11:18:33

I agree completely, I think you and I are lucky in that we are both old enough to have seen all the trophies since the 60s and onwards, where I do have great sympathy for our 40-year-old fans and younger who have seen none of that.

I thought maybe I was being over critical of yesterday's performance against one of the Premier League's better teams, so I just checked on the possession stats for some of our games against the not-so-good teams this season, and they don't make very attractive reading.

This list is purely possession stats:

Everton 48% v Nottingham Forest 52%
Aston Villa 58% v Everton 42%
Brentford 57.8% v Everton 42%
Leeds 69% v Everton 30.9%
Everton 53.6% v West Ham 46.4%
Southampton 55% v Everton 44%
Spurs 61.5% v Everton 38.5%

Danny O’Neill
555 Posted 16/10/2022 at 11:23:19
In that sense and from that angle Gerry, it's actually the touch from Coady that draw's the penalty.
Christopher Timmins
556 Posted 16/10/2022 at 11:38:16
We were good I the first half and could have went in ahead. The second half performance was poor, Pickford should have held the shot. The second goal may not have happened if it was scoreless.

Another game mid week so we move on.

Christopher Timmins
557 Posted 16/10/2022 at 11:38:17
We were good I the first half and could have went in ahead. The second half performance was poor, Pickford should have held the shot. The second goal may not have happened if it was scoreless.

Another game mid week, so we move on.

Kim Vivian
558 Posted 16/10/2022 at 11:42:06
Interesting view, Gerry. You're right. I hadn't realised how close Pickford had got to scooping that ball away before any contact. If he had just got the touch on it - no penalty.

Danny - Not sure if Coady did barely get a touch on him but that would have been harsh.

Christy Ring
559 Posted 16/10/2022 at 11:54:05
The change with Bissouma on for Richarlison and Frank moving Iwobi to wingback turned the game completely.

They controlled midfield with the extra man and we hardly got out of our half. 5 at the back doesn't work.

Sean Roe
560 Posted 16/10/2022 at 11:54:07
We look better defensively in my opinion but our lack of attacking threat nullifies this completely. You simply cannot defend for 90+ minutes and not concede.

I didn't expect anything from the last two games but I still think we have enough to be comfortably clear of danger this season. Games against Bournemouth, Leeds, Fulham etc will show us where we really are.

I also thought we looked better when Calvert-Lewin came on.

Tom Bowers
563 Posted 16/10/2022 at 12:05:53
The result was predictable despite some good play but, with poor squad like this, these games are expected.

Everton have one point from games against, Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea and Spurs which speaks volumes.

When you have no decent scorers, you rely on good defence and not just from the back four so the top clubs will punish you.

We are still weak when not in possession which really puts pressure on the back four and it's hard to avoid conceding for 90 minutes.

We all know this is not going to change soon even if we get one or two wins before the new year.

So sad when you see teams like Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth above you in the table even though it's early days.

Barry Rathbone
564 Posted 16/10/2022 at 12:17:21
I see Richarlison is getting grief from Spurs fans underwhelmed by his lack of league goals – yet he was eulogised here. There's the difference.
John Raftery
565 Posted 16/10/2022 at 12:20:00
We are a mid-table club playing away to a team in the Top 4. What result did we expect? What sort of performance did we expect? Free flowing football with our players pushing high up the field in an end-to-end goal bonanza?! That would have been ridiculous.

Last March, I thought Lampard was hopelessly naive in the way he set the team up for a 5-0 thrashing. Yesterday, he got it right. The formation looked solid against a team which has won 10 consecutive home games. Although he was perhaps a little slow to react to the change Spurs made following the Richarlison substitution, there were no blindingly obvious solutions on the bench.

Having constructed a solid defence behind a better-equipped midfield, the next stage of squad development is blindingly obvious; a more potent, clinical attack. If Calvert-Lewin can be restored to full fitness, he may provide part of the answer. If that proves impossible, we must hope Thelwell can provide a solution in the January window.

In the meantime, I expect us to collect some points from the teams around and below us providing we maintain the defensive discipline we have seen in the majority of matches this season.

I hope Peter enjoys his mountain climb free of any stumbles. My climb on Wednesday will be the 147 steps up to the top tier at St James's. It is the highest peak in the Premier League. The Newcastle team are a much tougher proposition compared with 12 months ago but I am hopeful we might take some tangible reward from the game.

Raymond Fox
566 Posted 16/10/2022 at 12:20:37
We got what I feared we would get, and I doubt it suprised most on here.

Let's face it, the Premier League as a 20-team competition is a biased farce where 14 teams are fighting to survive only. They should give a trophy for finishing 7th – I'm only half joking but you know what I mean.

I thought we did okay, Onana had a great chance to score, if he had we might have scraped something out of the game, who knows.

As far as tactics are concerned, if you play an open game against the top teams, you're playing into their hands and you're asking to get murdered.

Okay, the defensive option is not great either but it'say, probably the best of a poor choice.

We did start the game with one hand tied behind our back though with Calvert-Lewin half fit, and Patterson and Gordon out, which meant that Spurs didn't have to worry much about our attack.

Chris Hockenhull
567 Posted 16/10/2022 at 12:21:17
Interesting reading everyone's views and opinions regards yesterday.

For those who didn't watch MotD live last night but “ taped it” to watch today….

The “experts opinions” is very interesting regards Everton's performance. Well worth watching. Won't take you long. Why???

Because it was The Tottenham Show. Not one word of mention. It's all about the usual fuckers and no-one else.

Danny O’Neill
568 Posted 16/10/2022 at 12:39:22
It wasn't even that Chris. A total Harry Kane love in.

Those stairs are brutal John and I consider myself fit.

I might be being pedantic, but are there not regulations about allowing away supporters to be near the pitch?

I'm surprised Newcastle has never been challenged over it.

Sorry to ramble down memory lane, but I remember visiting St Jame's Park in the late 80s when they only had one stand so to speak. The famous Gallowgate end and other side of the pitch opposite their main stand was open terracing. We were stuffed in the corner in some crumbling terrace with a temporary Golf type construction next to us with the home supporters populating. It's the end we now end up in the gods.

Credit to them. St Jame's has been transformed since 1988, whereas Goodison looks pretty much the same bar the Park End.

Same as Chelsea. Remember Stamford Bridge in the 80s?

I digress, lets go and get the points.

Sean Kelly
569 Posted 16/10/2022 at 12:51:08
We need a Dogs of War approach.

For fuck's sake, Tarkowski trying out his physio skills on the snidely Højbjerg. He should have twisted his ankle. We are a soft touch.

For fuck's sake, they are a man down and he acts like Florence fucking Nightingale! Wise up. Would they to us? Never!!!

Brian Wilkinson
570 Posted 16/10/2022 at 12:53:17
Two things I will touch on, one mentioned by Danny, the other by me last week.

The first one from Danny: spot on, all Gray had to do was compose himself and play a simple pass across to Maupay, to put the ball in the back of the net. He chose the harder option and fluffed it.

On other occasions in the second half, he drew two players towards him on the touchline, a simple pass inside to an unmarked player could have set us up for a counter-attack; he chose to draw a throw-in instead.

Gray is one of the Anthony Gordon band of players, can create something out of nothing, has the talent to go past players, but instead of then finding a team mate, they end up running down a blind alley and nowhere to go.

The second one I mentioned was in regards to Iwobi and not playing him on the wing or as a wingback and to keep Iwobi in his favoured position down the middle.

One week down the line we execute it spot on, in the first half, then for whatever reason, we move Iwobi and play him more like a wing back and all our good work in the first half is undone.

I am all for tactical changes, but when our player of the season so far, has been outstanding in his role, why would you move that player to another position, I just do not get it.

David Hallwood
571 Posted 16/10/2022 at 12:53:26
Having slugged my way through all the posts, it just proves that we don't all see the same game, To some we're miles away from being a top 6 club, to others, it was a close game that could've gone either way.

To my mind after watching it back in the cold light of day, it's simply a case of not having enough quality in the final 3rd, and little goal threat from midfield. So posters calling Lampard a coward etc; he hasn't got anyone to bring on that will get him goals and it's a case of make do and mend until the next window.

But I like where the recruitment is going; they obviously know the deficiencies in the squad and hopefully will bring in one possibly two players at the business end of the pitch, and that would make a helluva difference.

Sean Kelly
572 Posted 16/10/2022 at 12:56:42

You say tactics. Frank and tactics are not compatible. They don't sit easily in the same sentence. I've said it before: he's tactically inept.

When Richarlison went off, Conte made a switch in formation. Frank was like a rabbit in the headlights. I fear for the rest of the season as he doesn't know what to change and when.

Robert Tressell
573 Posted 16/10/2022 at 13:04:39
My recollection is that we had a strong start last season until around this point when Calvert-Lewin got injured, Richarlison was in and out for a bit with suspension, Allan and Doucoure never seemed to play a run of matches, and we had a different centre-back pairing every week.

This season, we've had a slow but not terrible start, the 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 structure is good – a clear first XI is emerging and defensively we're very good – which is giving us a chance every game we play.

With DCL added to this side, we pose a real threat. Maupay is exactly what you get if spend £15m on "ready made" (ie not very good).

We may get another forward in, in January but don't count on it. Whilst it's obvious we need to invest in forwards, where is the money supposed to come from?

Like I said earlier, we're on course for the likely 10th to 13th spot. Could go higher with a bit of luck - but much depends on DCLs fitness.

Danny O’Neill
574 Posted 16/10/2022 at 13:10:03
Respect David @571. It's a hard read, but everyone's entitled to a view.

Maupay gets slated, but he's done well recently. Yesterday, he done what you want any centre forward to do. He got into a goal scoring position.

The supply didn't come. And it wasn't difficult to do. A simple cut back and tap in. He didn't do anything wrong in that scenario. He actually done everything right in anticipating the time and space.

Brian Wilkinson
575 Posted 16/10/2022 at 13:18:37
Again Danny spot on, Maupay is getting into positions, but just not getting the supply.
Dale Rose
576 Posted 16/10/2022 at 13:28:28
I thought the performance yesterday was fairly good.

Realistically, forget all the Top 6 nonsense for now and concentrate on the rebuild of the team. Defensively and midfield have improved dramatically; the final third will come.

Bit less gloom and doom and some positivity. Lampard is doing a good job with what he has.

Tony Hill
577 Posted 16/10/2022 at 13:32:48
We've gone into our shell. The derby, when we were vibrant, looked like a turning point but we look scared now.

The problem is that such an attitude becomes very difficult to get out of. You can't just turn it on and off and it's a dangerous assumption that we will take points from the likes of Palace, Fulham, Leicester and so on.

I think we're in a very important phase ahead of the World Cup and I'm concerned that we don't look up for it.

Frank Crewe
578 Posted 16/10/2022 at 13:45:56
The "killer" goal was the first one.

If we don't start scoring more goals, we will just keep losing by one- or two-nil. McNeil, Gray, Maupay and Gordon have only managed five goals between them. Nowhere near enough.

If we are going to play with a front three, then we seriously need a better three than the three we currently have.

Mike Doyle
579 Posted 16/10/2022 at 13:46:33
Danny & Brian.

Agree with you ref Maupay. Seems to take up good positions but the supply is generally very poor from midfield –
particularly the wingers. Iwobi has looked better, but using him as a reserve wingback when Coleman goes off doesn't help up.

For this reason, I'd like to see Garner given a go. From what I've seen he looks like he can actually pass a ball. Possibly try him in place of McNeil who, from what I've seen so far, offers little.

Had Richarlison still been with us, I suspect he'd have finished at least one of the chances that Gray and Onana missed.

Neil Cremin
580 Posted 16/10/2022 at 14:25:37
Totally agree, Danny

I looked back on both missed chances and in both cases Maupay made the correct run for a tap-in if either Gray or Onana had looked up. What more can he do but try to be in the right position at the right time? This is what Kane does so well.

And again, I know it's not popular but having first raised in his first season. Why can't Jordan hold a shot or at least push it out for a corner instead of back into play? He's is a great shot-stopper but, for me, too often parries the ball back into play, putting us under pressure.

George Cumiskey
581 Posted 16/10/2022 at 14:28:46
I thought we looked solid in defence yesterday till the Pickford cock-up, then for me Frank made it worse with his terrible substitutions.

How McNeil stayed on till the end is mind-boggling.

Mal van Schaick
582 Posted 16/10/2022 at 14:30:07
One step forward two steps back.

Typical Everton and a manager who still has mediocre players who are slightly better than those who got us into the crap last season.

Rob Halligan
583 Posted 16/10/2022 at 14:37:34
Gerry # 553.

Thanks for that clip of the penalty incident. At the time, I thought it was dubious, but being down the other end, it's really difficult to confirm if it was a penalty or not.

Kane is already on his way down before there is any contact with Pickford, and Kane being Kane, makes contact with Pickford rather than the other way round.

I watched Kane win a penalty in their midweek Champions League game, which again, in my opinion, was never a penalty. Yesterday's was never a penalty either, though Pickford should have held the initial shot anyway.

Kane is rapidly becoming like Salad and Mane when he was at the RS, diving in the area and winning dubious pens. If that penalty yesterday was down the other end, then it's quite simple, it's not given.

Trevor Peers
584 Posted 16/10/2022 at 15:24:40
Brian @570,

'Gray is one of the Anthony Gordon band of players, can create something out of nothing, has the talent to go past players, but instead of then finding a team mate, they end up running down a blind alley and nowhere to go'.

Spot on, Brian! The only difference is Gray's salary is £42k a week, which is bad enough, but Gordon now wants £100k a week!

If Everton are stupid enough to pay him that, then Moshiri will have learned nothing from his previous mistakes in paying huge amounts of money in wages to very average players.

They should've cashed in on Gordon when they had the chance, it's an opportunity lost as usual.

Robert Tressell
585 Posted 16/10/2022 at 15:40:48
David # 571. It's both. We are miles away from being a Top 6 team over the course of the season. Equally, it was a tight game yesterday and we were unlucky not to win - let alone lose.

As you rightly say, we can only resolve this through bringing in better quality.

Now on to the next game and hopefully a little more luck (and fitness for Calvert-Lewin) and we'll get the points.

Brian Wilkinson
586 Posted 16/10/2022 at 16:04:37
Anyone remember this.

Everton were in the ascendancy for much of the second half, however, and a flat game erupted into life moments after Delph’s departure.

Kavanagh awarded a penalty when Richarlison, racing on to Anthony Gordon’s header into the area, appeared to be clipped by Lloris as he attempted to round the Spurs’ keeper. VAR advised Kavanagh to take another look on the pitchside monitor, where he adjudged Lloris to have played the ball before the man and overturned his decision. “If that happened in the middle of the pitch it would be a foul and so it should be the same in the penalty area,” argued Benítez. Conte countered: “It is impossible to make a mistake after looking at the VAR. The referee made the right decision.”

Yet Kane was already on his way down and ensured he leaned into Pickford.

So why the hell did var choose to not advise the ref to review Kanes penalty, but were quick to advise the ref to look, when it was against Spurs.

One word, corrupt.

Brian Murray
587 Posted 16/10/2022 at 16:07:42
Ivan Toneys family racially abused at goodison so that’s one off the list in January. Hope Thelwell is lining up at least two. All a gamble from a foreign league but hope it’s calculated.
Brian Murray
588 Posted 16/10/2022 at 16:07:42
Ivan Toneys family racially abused at goodison so that’s one off the list in January. Hope Thelwell is lining up at least two. All a gamble from a foreign league but hope it’s calculated.
Paul Birmingham
589 Posted 16/10/2022 at 16:10:49
Brian, definitely the nailed-on double standards, with the VAR, and the views of the so-called football experts in the media.

But hopefully this week will see Everton regroup and learn from the Spurs game, and beat the Skunks on Wednesday.

Today hopefully Man City can do the business v the RS, and this weekend will finish on a good note.

Rob Halligan
590 Posted 16/10/2022 at 16:13:08

The one not given against Man City was beyond belief. A stonewall, nailed-on penalty following a handball by, I think Rodri, very similar to the one just awarded to Leeds.

Yet incredibly the referee (can't remember who it was) was not even advised to go and look at the pitch side monitor. With hindsight though, good job it wasn't given and we scored, because otherwise the RS might have won the league.

Another stonewall penalty not given against one of the so-called Big 6 clubs. As you say, Corrupt!!

Ray Smith
591 Posted 16/10/2022 at 16:53:49
Mal @582,

What are you saying?

Are you blaming Lampard, who got us out of the mire last season? Give the guy a break, he inherited a team on the floor; he hasn't got a magic wand, but we are heading in the right direction.

Several games coming up where we will win or pick up points. Get off his back!

Alan J Thompson
592 Posted 16/10/2022 at 17:26:10
I'm sorry but I see having some sort of a planned attack after having possibly identified the opposition's defensive weaknesses as good management, sound tactics, a game plan rather than being gung-ho, adventurous or playing into the opposition's hands. It doesn't need to be all-out attack or lead to another 5-0 defeat.

There does need to be some idea of scoring and ideally more than the other team which is supposed to be the point of the game and which, other than two lone breakaways, I didn't see yesterday.

Martin Mason
593 Posted 16/10/2022 at 18:11:39
My prediction is that, by the end of this season, Everton will be taking 3 points from some matches at the Spurs and Man Utd level on the way to being close to the Top 10 and looking good for next season.

We aren't there yet though and being negative and hyper-critical now is verging on insanity. Some of the criticism is frankly laughable, especially on tactics and subs. Frank and his team have more football knowledge in their toenail cuttings than the total combined knowledge of some commenters on here.

I'm happy to see Everton develop at a sustainable rate and find their true position in the overall scheme of things but now I wish for an act of God or Frank to shut this irrational negativity from a tiny but vociferous minority up.

Yes, but opinions are precious and always to be respected. No, from many fans they are total bollocks. This isn't aimed at the many wonderful and knowledgeable Evertonians who frequent the site.

Danny Baily
594 Posted 16/10/2022 at 18:26:57
Martin @593, we might pick up a surprise win against the odds, but we're not getting close to the Top 10 this season. Staying out of the Bottom 3 is the goal.
Geoff Cadman
595 Posted 16/10/2022 at 19:16:51
Brian #586,

I can think of another word "Attwell".

If the Anti-Everton Chris Sutton slagged Kane off for diving, then that's pretty conclusive.

Will Mabon
596 Posted 16/10/2022 at 19:32:50
Gerry @ 553:

There's the evidence. Not only did Pickford "headbutt" Kane's thigh, he sucked him into a change of direction before doing it.

Retrospective ban for Pickford, I say.

Paul Birmingham
597 Posted 16/10/2022 at 19:49:24

I agree, and that's a good balanced perspective you've provided on where Everton are right now.

Anthony Dove
598 Posted 16/10/2022 at 20:33:22
To put it mildly, we are a hard watch with eleven men behind the ball most of the time. I imagine the Sky viewing figures for our games are minuscule.

For the Newcastle game, can we please replace Gana and Iwobi with Doucoure and Garner, and Moupay with anybody else who has two legs?

Onana to take over Gana's defensive role. Vinagre for Mykolenko as well.

Will Mabon
599 Posted 16/10/2022 at 20:57:00
Anthony, funnily enough, several comments I read from Spurs fans seemed to paint our performance better than we have on here. Might just be some generosity, but...
Mike Doyle
600 Posted 16/10/2022 at 21:15:47
Rob #583. Off topic - but back to yesterday- what did you think of the Spurs ground?
Mike Gaynes
601 Posted 16/10/2022 at 22:03:50
To those who accurately point out that Frank may have been outmanaged by Conte yesterday, I would just remind everyone that Conte is one of the top managers in the world, with 600 games under his belt, five top-level league titles and additional silverware. Frank's only been at this for a few years.
David Hallwood
602 Posted 16/10/2022 at 22:15:30
Spot on Mike Gaynes(#601) and it makes it easier to outmanage your opposite number when you've got Kane & Son in your team.

Just seen Salah's goal against the mancs, which is a stark reminder of the difference between a top striker one on one with the keeper and what we have to offer in the final 1/3

Tony Everan
603 Posted 16/10/2022 at 22:39:02
Mike, David, good points, also I think with a fully fit DCL we may have got something out of this game and some of the other games drawn or lost too. We will improve when he is starting matches.

Having a player who can win balls and hold the ball up and distribute within the opponent’s half changes the dynamic of a game. As well as the obvious gain of having someone physical as well as mobile who can get on the end of a cross.

His inclusion could well bring much more out of Gordon and Gray who at the moment are caught in the no man’s land of trying to be scorers and creators and not doing well at either. They can focus much more on creating for Calvert- Lewin, this is what they’re better at.

It highlights importance of having a quality challenger / back up to DCL who can bring similar attributes to the team and , who knows, even be better than DCL. I want to see DCL pushed as a player to be better and at the same time I want us to be strong and consistent when he is out. This means being able to continue with our team structure and not have to reinvent ourselves because of a key injury.

Soren Moyer
604 Posted 16/10/2022 at 23:48:09
Lampard = Poor man's Allardyce IMO.
Don Alexander
605 Posted 16/10/2022 at 00:00:11
After a period of calm reflection, I'm not going to lambast those in charge of our club.

No, instead I'm just going to praise Lampard and Thelwell for hopefully beginning to extract us from the £600 million quicksand we were in, to now hopefully gaining a degree of purchase among the clubs who squabble in the swamp about where they'll finish between 8th and 17th.

If we are still in the Premier League when Bungling Moshiri's Delusional stadium opens (in whatever shape), I suggest we should name a stand after Frank and Kevin.

After all, an "F.K. Stand" should resonate with any actual fan who's suffered for the past 30 years, surely?

Rob Halligan
606 Posted 16/10/2022 at 00:05:12
Mike # 600. Sorry, just seen your post.

That was my third visit to the new Spurs ground, and have to say, despite hating everything about Spurs, I am mightily impressed with their new stadium.

For the away fans, at least, entry is quite smooth and pretty quick. The concourse below is spacious with plenty of bar and toilet facilities, unlike where I sit at Goodison, the Upper Gwladys.

Their home end, opposite where we sat, is absolutely huge, though I don't know how many it holds. The whole stadium does generate a decent atmosphere, so much better than the old White Hart Lane. Hopefully we can be on a level par with their stadium when we move to BMD, albeit with 10k less fans.

Brent Stephens
607 Posted 17/10/2022 at 00:14:06
Rob, I was thinking just yesterday that the Spurs new stadium is by far the best in the Premier League. Superb.

But it lacks a certain "je ne sais quoi", as we scousers say. A famous river alongside and ocean-going liners sailing past.

Rob Halligan
608 Posted 17/10/2022 at 00:16:05
Brent, and someone on a pedalo giving free lifts to the new stadium!!
Brent Stephens
609 Posted 17/10/2022 at 00:22:26
Rob - lifts, not free lifts. The pedalo-build is coming on nicely, by the way.
Danny O’Neill
610 Posted 17/10/2022 at 06:10:14
And maybe I'll get served at half-time, Rob. I agree, a fantastic stadium. Their whole intent was to change the match day experience. I hope we replicate it. We have the opportunity to do so.

Lester Yip
611 Posted 17/10/2022 at 07:34:40
Playing away at White Hart Lane, I'd be happy with a draw. 2-0 is sort of expected. What annoyed me most is the chances of Gray and Onana that we can't even get one on target.
Tony Abrahams
612 Posted 17/10/2022 at 08:24:11
I hate going on, but if I was Frank Lampard, I'd be onto the FA, regarding the fine he got for questioning the integrity of some decisions, and I'd be using yesterday as my prime example.

Has Conte been charged for criticising the referees in this country compared to Italy, after his team lost at Arsenal? He wasn't criticising them after Saturday's game, but that's modern day football in a nutshell.

Mark Murphy
613 Posted 17/10/2022 at 11:41:23
To be honest re Spurs ground I was disappointed. Sure it’s great inside for watching the match but I was led to believe there were loads of different eateries and bars available but not, it seems to away supporters. The bar downstairs was absolutely mad so my son and I went up to the small bar upstairs and watched the mayhem below. (Last season this is) and their fans and stewards are absolute tossers!

I prefer the Emirates but even Brighton is a better away experience in my opinion.

Dave Abrahams
614 Posted 17/10/2022 at 11:41:25
Mike (601), what was Conte like when he started off as a manager?
Has Frank improved as a manager in those few years?
Danny O’Neill
615 Posted 17/10/2022 at 12:04:16
Brighton is good Mark.

Fulham always a good day out and Brentford similar.

I don't like the Emirates. Literally only serving water to the away supporters at half-time. Maybe that's just me and my half-time problem of getting served.

I've mentioned before that I went to Tottenham for a work meeting 2 weeks before the played the opening match. The concourse we got shown around was impressive. Although that will have been the home section.

Mal van Schaick
616 Posted 17/10/2022 at 15:41:28
Ray #591.

I am entitled to my opinion and two defeats in a row backs up my comment. I want Everton to do well and I am not trolling Lampard. I am stating my opinion.

Michael Lynch
617 Posted 17/10/2022 at 16:33:55
At this stage, I'd say our improvement on last season can only be described as "marginal". Clearly, we have a much better centre-half pairing than anything we had last season, and a three-man midfield, which helps.

Up front though, we're clearly inferior with the loss of Richarlison, the baby steps recovery of Calvert-Lewin, and the drop in form of Gordon. We've picked up McNeil and Maupay who are – at best – bench warmers.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us in the Bottom 3 going into the World Cup break, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see us 12th or 13th, such is the mediocrity below the Top 6 plus the Red Shite this season.

If we're not in a relegation battle this season, I'll be delighted but, unless we buy at least two top-class attacking players in the summer, I can't see Lampard lasting another year in the job.

Mike Gaynes
618 Posted 17/10/2022 at 17:17:30
Dave #614, Conte's first five years as a manager, all in Italy, were mixed at best.

His first club sacked him, rehired him the next season, and was relegated. His second club was promoted to Serie A. He lost his third job after three months, driven out by the supporters. He got his fourth club promoted. Then in 2011 he got hired by Juventus, and the rest is history.

I can't compare Frank's Everton performance to his previous jobs, since I never saw his Derby County side and his Chelsea challenge was completely different, but in my opinion, he has improved since coming here and has the potential to be a top manager by the time he reaches Conte's level of experience.

Mike Gaynes
619 Posted 17/10/2022 at 17:34:58
Michael #617,

I would expect to see an attacking player signed in January, preferably a young potential star like Onana.

There are two young 18-goal forwards in MLS: Jesús Ferreira and Brenner, who I think would be worth a look at a very reasonable price.

Ashley Roberts
620 Posted 17/10/2022 at 17:44:21
I for one thought Frank did a good job with his tactics on Saturday.

True, we weathered a storm for 10 minutes and then afterwards I thought we were comfortable and with all their striking attributes they created nothing meaningful in the first half. Also, with a bit more composure, both Gray and Onana should have at least hit the target.

To be honest, I did not see Spurs scoring until Richarlison went off and they changed their formation. And let's be honest, it was only a big mistake from Pickford that gifted them the first goal. Up until then, I thought we did a good job in containing one of the best teams in the Premier League.

It all changed after the penalty and we never really recovered. I agree, we have to start scoring more. I am not sure I understand taking off Maupay and then bringing on Rondon??

Surely when chasing a game, we should have had both Calvert-Lewin and Maupay on the pitch. So I was a little confused with the overall substitutions made and the timing. I am thinking Calvert-Lewin has to start against The Barcodes.

Sean O’Hanlon
621 Posted 18/10/2022 at 10:28:12
Those who've praised Pickford in the past must realise that Pickford will gift the opposition with a least 12 goals a season. Forget the VAR, his goalkeeping was abysmal.

As I've mentioned before, we pick up players, thinking we have a bargain, when they have a few decent games – I'm sorry, clubs do not get rid of good players – and a good player is also consistently good.

We are brilliant at collecting rejects from the top clubs, and we wonder why our form is on a roller-coaster. Very rarely we may strike lucky, and Iwobi does show some glimpses of consistency.

The club have no strategy with regards to planning, recruitment, bringing youngsters through from the academy, etc. This is why we repeat the same disasters each season – and this season will be no different.

For supporters, their enjoyment will come from another relegation battle.

Dave Abrahams
622 Posted 18/10/2022 at 11:29:38
Mike (618),

Thanks for your reply. Conte is now a top manager who is in the running for most of the top jobs.

It would be nice to think Frank can get to that level, maybe when he gets a few more players in, we can start to believe he can. I have my doubts at the moment but it's obviously early days to predict how he will turn out.

Phillip Warrington
623 Posted 19/10/2022 at 13:51:43
Ray @591,

What would you say if we only get 4 points out of the next seven games?

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