Tyler Dibling continues to impress David Moyes behind the scenes

I remember thinking Trevor Steven flattered to deceive when he first arrived, so what do I know. I think once he gets into his stride, he's going to be terrific.

Agh, well... he will be brilliant in 2 years, Lol!

I read from a poster on here, he has potential to be a Chris Waddle type of player. Again, that will certainly do.

So if all it takes is showing players a video, then get the VAR bloke signed up.

I sincerely hope he doesn't try and emulate Robben. That guy has been a talking point here among a few football friends for years. In that, his only move was to head down the wing, cut inside, running across the top of the penalty area, then try and curve one into the top corner from about 30 yards. Usually he failed.

But that was it. Never a cross, never a little pass to feed someone in, never got to the byline. Just the same single move each and every time he got the ball. Ribery, on the other hand, was actually skillful and unpredictable.

As soon as Robben ran across the top of the penalty area, he would take a dive.

What is not delusional is that this young player has immense potential and talent, you only need to see his clips. The manager will utilize his skills to the team's best advantage.

In time, this lad will have fans off their seats... just have patience.

Give the guy a chance -- the cat's still trimming his beard with his tongue.

Prime Robben would walk into our team today.

I'm clearly on my own, but I liked watching him play. Ran with the ball and, yes, he could shoot (and score). He has a few major medals so he must have done something right.

Tyler Dibling is a young man; we just have to hope The Moyesiah and his team develop his play.

There'll be people on here saying Messi didn't track back next…

It is very mystifying, and worrying too, where he manages to conceal two packs of cards and a top hat whilst only wearing a pair of shorts, and an Everton bib! :-)

He was a one-trick pony with one foot -- it's not really controversial. Yes, he had success in the non-competitive German league doing the same thing over and over again.

But he never played successfully in a competitive league where coaches would likely have said, “Hey, push him onto his other foot when he tries this same 'cut inside & shoot' routine five times every match.”

2 Premier leagues
1 FA Cup
2 League Cups
1 La Liga
8 Bundesliga
1 Champions League
1 World Cup runners-up.

Yeh... but he wasn't that good though!!🥴🥴🥴

Apparently Moyes can fuck off for daring to suggest it might take a teenager time to adjust. Apparently, all those appearances for Southampton are enough, and playing in our team must be exactly the same. Apparently, Robben was overrated.

Only on ToffeeWeb. Always an educational read!

Surely, we can expect our highest-paid signing this season to earn his salary for at least 90 minutes a week and use all the rest of his time to "adapt to the club" and get "used to life on Merseyside"?

Based on that Wes Brown must be world class as he won 5 Premier League titles, 2 FA Cups, 2 League Cups, 2 Champions Leagues.

As I said, Robben was a one-trick pony as has been well documented.

From The Guardian upon his retirement:

"There is beauty in the unexpected but sometimes even more so in the expected. Everyone knew what Arjen Robben would do, yet they could do nothing to stop him.

He would pick up the ball on his right flank, feign to go down towards the byline, then cut inside and score. And then he would do it again."

From Bayern Munich's website on his retirement:

"What did Cesare Prandelli say to his players at half-time on that cold winter's night? Maybe: “He cuts inside on his left foot! You have to watch that! On the left foot!” Again and again. It's 9 May 2010, Champions League round of 16, second leg. FC Bayern had won the first leg 2-1.

“He'll try to catch you on the wrong feet,” Prandelli could've warned his defenders. “He'll run at you at pace, move the ball onto the left foot, cut inside and look to shoot. Don't let him shoot!” And the defenders probably thought: “Okay, we already know that, we know the move!”

From The Frankfurter:

"Robben is not someone who seeks out duels and draws opponents towards him in order to create space for teammates. He prefers to go for goal himself. That makes him unpopular with teammates, and predictable to opposition players."

From ESPN:

"You would think that opponents would have wised up to the move right now, but they seem as unable as ever to do anything against it. In mid-December, he scored in such typical fashion against VfL Wolfsburg's Ricardo Rodriguez, who's considered one of the Bundesliga's best left-backs."

From the man himself on Le Robben:

"Yes, it's a weapon," Robben told ESPN FC in an interview in Munich last week. "When something works, you just keep going. But I'm not the right person to explain why it works."

His trick is to score.

Am I missing something here? Moyes has said Tyler is being held back because:

Firstly, you need Premier League experience as you need to get comfortable playing in the stadiums etc? Okay, check, got the tee-shirt.

Secondly, Moyes name-checks Dewsbury-Hall as someone who has Premier League experience at a 'higher' level... Okay, David, those 248 minutes all season at Chelsea, playing about 10 or so minutes when they have injuries and the game is over must really have been some deal breaker... His other Premier League experience came with relegated Leicester and he has never had the impact in the Premier League that Tyler has.

But finally, here's the real baffler: "Tyler did so at a younger age". So let me get this straight — the club signed a wonderkid who excelled as a teen to a greater extent than your personal veteran signing is now being held back because he did it earlier?

Would it not follow that this was reason to promote, especially as he's now a year older and surely better?

"I come not to praise Caesar but to bury him..."

Haaland doesn't attempt to score the exact same goal five times every game and do nothing else. Kanchelskis was adept at "Le Robben" but he could also mix it up.

There is a reason we have no one like Robben today -- because coaches have 15 years of Robben videos to analyze and figure out how to stop anyone who attempts to do the exact same thing every time they get the ball.

Seriously, listen to what Robben says. He might have been a one-trick pony, but he was very quick, and very direct and, above all else, he had such a massive belief in himself.

We have all played against players who we know what they're going to do next, but it doesn't mean we always stop them!!🤷‍♂️

Obviously, I was being facetious about Haaland. But Robben was a decent player. His most common move kept working, as some of your quotations suggest, so why stop?

If defenders had worked him out, he may have adapted. But he didn't really need to. His pace and trickery gave defenders problems.

He would have improved many of our squads from that era, in my opinion at least, so all I'm really saying is that some of the posts were overly dismissive. Just as some take these comments from Moyes and over-analyse them.

He also is very one-footed.

:)

I'm sorry for the bad news but you are too late to bury old Julius, his so-called mates went RS on him!

I don't understand how anyone would not want this kind of player in your team.

One good cross at the Rubicon and he's a fecking legend...seriously?

Let's hope he reaches his full potential with us before he's hounded out by the nervous nellies.

When I was 19, I too was a helluva undiscovered football genius but, in fairness, at that age I always wanted the pussy to lick way beyond my chin.

I hope Tyler is of the same disposition!

All players need time on the pitch, they atrophy without it. Moyes's failure to make proactive substitutions has meant several good players wasting away.

Get Dibling, Alcaraz and McNeil on the pitch every game, use fresh legs as the others tire, and not only will we be more likely to turn draws into wins, but we'll build up our squad depth of match-fit players.

Of course, you could look to take out other players. Gana can come off, Garner moved to right-back, or turn your back on the strikers.

It's marginal if that changes much in the games we've lost at Man City or Liverpool, or converts some of the draws into wins.

We don't get to see it in training... we want to see it in the game!!!!!

It doesn't always translate on to the pitch in a game; nerves take over, they lose their passing, tackling etc.

I have seen a number like this, over the years.

It's hard to see any manager leaving out Ndiaye or Grealish on their current form to give Dibling a start in the Premier league, and it's hard to see him taking off either of them.

So far, young Tyler has struggled when he has been brought on. But I am sure many remember how Henry struggled when he first went to Arsenal.

Now I am not saying Tyler is the next Henry but, at the moment, he will need time.

I agree with Dave over our poor corner kicks: with the height we have in the squad, we should score more from corners.

When we were at our worst, the glaringly obvious thing was how predictable we were.

But, now we have some creativity, why not mix it up a bit?

Unless a player has been injured, when an enforced substitution has to be made, he seems glaringly reluctant to make earlier changes when the game is crying out for it!

From the left, he can cut inside on his right to shoot, or go the other way with a cross.

He does it well, but has no real pace to go on the outside on the right, and his shooting is less effective with his left foot from watching him.

Ndiaye in many ways is similar, but he does have that little squirt where he can riggle away. I do prefer him from the left, but understand why he's playing right. It's because we couldn't attract a here-and-now top player.

I've been often wondering why we didn't mix it up, but I think that's why. Grealish could be played as a Number 10, but he isn't helping the centre-midfield out of possession that much.

Some won't worry about that. But a competitive midfield 3 has helped a centre-back pairing lacking pace, and who would be shown up from a more cavalier approach.

I don't remember that but I do remember a guy called Dwight McNeil single-handedly destroying us when we played Burnley. We should sign him.

Have a look at Lamine Yamal. When he makes that move, nobody stops him. It's not about the move, it's about the quality of the player. Robben had massive quality.

Dave #41, Brian #43, spot on.

I think this is the important bit. I've seen enough of Dibling to believe he's going to be a hell of a player.

But he's very clearly not a confident lad. His first performances for us have looked very nervous. He's not really demanding the ball and seems happy to just not make a mistake.

That's why it's relevant that he has performed only at a 'lower level'. At Southampton, he was the one with the licence to have a go and try to make things happen. At Everton, he's got players like Grealish, Dewsbury-Hall, Ndiaye who can do it. And we're simply a bigger club, on a bigger stage, and he's carrying a bigger price tag and therefore bigger expectation.

I think he'll come good if he's brought along right, though that lack of confidence is a genuinely worrying sign even at such a young age.

Play Ndiaye or Grealish up front and start with £35M worth of talent on the right.

Playing them when they ain't quite ready is surely the worst.

I can't think of anything less relevant to the decision of whether to play the kid than money. (Somebody else's money, I would remind you.)

Reporter: "So Davey, why did you start Grealish up top, where he hasn't played since age 12?"

Moyes: "Gotta get Friedkin's money's worth out of Dibling."

Oy vey.

The price teams pay for players is the most accurate, objective assessment of their worth and presumably their likely contribution to the team. So that is very relevant to whether that contribution is being used by the club or not.

I'm no more of an expert about Dibling's talent than you are, but I think it's reasonable to deduce that, if a club pays a lot for a player based on his performances in the Premier League last season, then they do so because they want that talent to deliver for the club this season.

I don't buy into the notion that Dibling isn't ready or he needs time to adjust. No better way to adjust than to play and demonstrate his talent. If he proves a dud, then at least we'll know from playing him, but sitting on the bench isn't really going to benefit him or the club.

He's a very young man -- just 4 years older than the likes of Rooney when he started ripping opponents to bits... but, conversely, 3 years older than Barkley when he was mega-found out mentally from debut onwards and his humdrum career thereafter.

Give Tyler licence to do his thing without recriminations for one or two, or three, less than stellar performances to start with if it comes to that.

Sheedy was no great shakes when we signed him but look what happened when we gave him a start.

Once again, we're going to win no trophy this season but it's far more comforting to realise relegation this season is hugely less likely. Tyler needs a mega arm around his very young shoulders so that he can try to match and exceed the excellent play he showed at the Saints.

Are you listening, Davie?

So how many of you have actually managed a professional football team? Yeah, thought so.

I can see he is likely to be a player, bearing in mind he is only 18. I think, in the occasion of his first start he shat himself. At his age, if you aren't arrogant, brash, with a self-confident swagger, and able to show that ability he clearly has, with the eyes of millions upon you, you're going to get eaten alive.

Cole Palmer has channeled those assets into his play, not his personality. Once Dibling does too, then we will see the magic.

Bear in mind he is a teenager and his body and mind are still developing. Let's not break him like we have done with virtually every teenager we thrust into the limelight.

The price teams pay for players ceases to be the least bit relevant as soon as the check clears the bank. At that point, it is up to the manager and coaching staff to determine how and when the player is best to be used.

Sometimes teams pay for potential and not because they expect the player to immediately produce. And there is no way for an outsider who never sees the player in training, who never assesses him against his teammates or peers, to "deduce" what the coaching staff thinks of him.

Likewise whatever notions you or I "buy into" is irrelevant. Only one man's opinion is relevant.

One thing is certain: If David Moyes feels that what serves Dibling and the club best is to put him into the starting lineup to sink or swim, then he will do that. And if Moyes feels that he needs to be introduced bit by bit, then he will do that.

Because it's his expertise that will determine the path forward, and his job that's on the line if he gets it wrong.

If you don't mind, I'll go with his judgement. And one thing is certain: he won't make that judgement based on the kid's paycheck.

This a boy who was considered mature enough to make the Premier League bench for Southampton some 3½ years ago when only 16 under Hassenhuttl.

Whether facing Holland or Brazil or Manchester Utd, Arsenal or Liverpool, he was able to take centre stage both for club and country. He is an introvert, a bit like Stones was, who is quiet and unassuming off the pitch but becomes a different animal on it.

His U21 coach, Adam Asgnar, describes him: "He's the most fearless player I have ever worked with. He is really sure of his ability. He wouldn't be fazed by any opposing player or situation, he played with fearlessness."

My take on his performance against Palace is that of frustration -- not lack of confidence. This was similar to watching him under Juric at Southampton. I agree with you that he has to adapt to not being centre stage and must be more vocal in demanding the ball. But equally the manager must be demanding of the players to trust him and find him as too often we take the easy option and look for Jack and so our play gets condensed down the left.

All 3 of our forward players then suffer as opposition midfielders and defences can shuttle across to close those spaces off... with the last 30 minutes at Villa a perfect example. The left winger gets smothered, resulting in a deficit of opportunities for our centre-forward and our right-winger becomes totally defunct.

In the Palace game, Dibling suffered also due to the make-up of the team. With Ndiaye starting centrally, we got outnumbered in midfield and Tyler cut a forlorn figure struggling to impact the game with limited service and Palace aggressive in their press and dominant on the ball.

I would however argue against West Ham; you could see his confidence and the impact he made by looking after the ball and shutting down Diouf as Ndiaye was having his worst performance in an Everton shirt. It is my conviction that, if Moyes had reacted quicker., we no doubt would have win that game.

It's very easy for the manager to apply the youth card but you can see that McNeil has similarly looked off it in games. The lack of game time certainly affects sharpness and rhythm for any player and Tyler is no exception.

We have seen the 'not quite ready' card applied before with the likes of Barkley and Armstrong. The latter to my mind inexplicably jettisoned to a level he has already excelled at and with his form for us comparable to most of our midfielders, and Garner arguably our best right-back, it highlights the manager's conservative mindset.

This I find especially frustrating in an era where, for most teams 16 players are vital in every game. Yet we still end up with 2 goalies on our bench.

As for carrying expectation, Ermie, this lad has been expected to carry teams from no age. That price tag will prove a bargain -- not a hindrance.

He might actually be better playing in the Number 10 role, so he can take centre stage.

Even last season, he was always inclined to drive centrally.

Russell Martin said he will always end up as a Number 10.

Especially if my full-backs didn't really offer much going forward!