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No sympathy for Moyes
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Moyes has done well out of Everton: financially sorted, media feted; a long way from his Preston days, a long way from his clarion call, "the People's Club".
For he has never been an Everton convert, just a highly paid consultant with one eye on the next job. Tub thumping, fire and brimstone, passion ? I've never seen it, inspirational? No way. He is a plodder a back-to-basics bootcamp merchant. 9 years on, we rejoice in toil before technique, being "hard working" and "punching above our weight" ?damned by the faintest of praise.
Echoes of fame of stylish triumph with illustrious number 9's are not even hoped for, we wallow in get out clauses; "previous regimes, financial restrictions etc" a generation taught the mantra of justification over ambition. The School of Science is more Agricultural College now.
Add in his sulks, record beatings, truly abysmal football and shocking deference to other teams culminating with that shameful surrender in a Cup Final... is it any wonder that hope has vanished?
Ignorance or incompetence ? it matters not, Moyes never had the stuff to raise this club beyond mediocre or protect it. The ignominy of a buffoon Liverpool manager insulting the club without being put in his place... and the schmoozing with Ferguson... hapless and cringeworthy.
Becoming Fergie's "boy" is as illuminating as it is ill judged, Moyes never will be Prince to the Man Utd King ? more Baldrick to Blackadder; bullies don't pal up with people who are a threat.
I've wondered about the signs for many years but patiently waited for the season that would start devoid of excuses.
Well, it's here.
I've sat in muted compliance enduring all this rather than supporting it.
There are no more suspicions ? when given a choice, the Moyes judgement is lacking... the buffers have been well and truly hit. The consultancy is over; you'd better go.
Charles King, Posted 11/12/2010 at 16:24:48
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I'm guessing you dont like him then Charles?
He said in the paper today that he wants to win a trophy in the next few years. I guess the 5 year plan is now a 10 or 15 year plan. You need to win games to win trophies and 3 in 16 attempts says it all. What an idiot. I am just done with this team until he and BK are out of here.
Hear hear. It's time for a change.
It looks as though the emperor has no clothes. Let's hope this forces Kenwright into selling up and a takeover takes place, although Moyes shouldn't be let near any sort of transfer fund. Today against Wigan was awful... yet again 4-5-1!!! WIGAN FFS!!!
Brilliantly put together Charles. I like Moyes but we are crying out for a change and it's needed soon.
My money is a humiliating defeat in the FA Cup and Kenwright will have to act like he did with Walter Smith.
Personally i'd love to see Kenwright gone too. Were we booed off at the end today?
My money is a humiliating defeat in the FA Cup and Kenwright will have to act like he did with Walter Smith.
Personally i'd love to see Kenwright gone too. Were we booed off at the end today?
Yeah but Charles, this is "The School of Science" Not to mention the way off the mark motto "Nothing but the best is good enough" whats latin for "once were good, but now fucking shit"
This is bad guys.
This is bad guys.
Charles, an excellent post. Surely even his most ardent admirers cannot ask the same old question, who will replace him? He and Bill Kenwright are slowly destroying the club. Also, I don't think I can bear hearing again that Moyes will turn it round. It shouldn't need turning round.
No-one expects Champions League on the budget we have. However, selecting the best player for each position, motivating the players, installing confidence , attacking, getting rid of caution, does not depend on budget. David Moyes is vastly overrated and overpaid.
Of course we can't afford to sack him, we therefore need him to show some integrity and walk away. He won't.
Andy, it doesn't matter mate, you will still have his most ardent admirers, telling us about the days of Walter Smith ( All history ) relegation fights, etc.
We will be told that we should shut the fuck - up, and be grateful that we have him, and he will turn it around, because he always does.
We will be told that we should shut the fuck - up, and be grateful that we have him, and he will turn it around, because he always does.
Totally agree. It's over, there is nowhere to go. The problem is Moyes won't go and we cannot afford to sack him.
Very disappointing as if there is a change we will be back to square one because of the lack of resources.
Moyes seems to be bereft of ideas. He plays out of form players, he plays players out position and he is too worried about the opposition to go for the'jugular'.
Very, very disappointing.
Very disappointing as if there is a change we will be back to square one because of the lack of resources.
Moyes seems to be bereft of ideas. He plays out of form players, he plays players out position and he is too worried about the opposition to go for the'jugular'.
Very, very disappointing.
Andy #7, I can't bear to hear 'Moyes will turn it around' again either. The plain and very simple fact that today's predictable result yet again highlights is that Moyes can't turn it around. If you're unable to rally the troops to beat Wigan at home after you've just managed a hard-fought draw against the current champions then your motivational skills are seriously lacking.
I don't know a single Evertonian who hasn't- and very vociferously- called for Saha to be dropped, but Moyes plays him and yet again he's stunk the place out. Everyone can see that Beckford is up for it, and just needs some regular game time to help him find some composure. Everyone could also see that the Yak was finding his feet again. Moyes has got a £9m misfit on the bench and a 'secret weapon' chomping at the bit, yet he plays bloody Victor on the left wing.
There's a real arrogance to the decisions David Moyes makes, in particular the way he plays players out of their natural position. The subtext of this seems to be that he can see something that all us knob heads can't, and that these decisions will ultimately demonstrate his tactical genius. The reality is that this sort of thinking is alienating him from a very pissed off bunch of supporters.
I don't know a single Evertonian who hasn't- and very vociferously- called for Saha to be dropped, but Moyes plays him and yet again he's stunk the place out. Everyone can see that Beckford is up for it, and just needs some regular game time to help him find some composure. Everyone could also see that the Yak was finding his feet again. Moyes has got a £9m misfit on the bench and a 'secret weapon' chomping at the bit, yet he plays bloody Victor on the left wing.
There's a real arrogance to the decisions David Moyes makes, in particular the way he plays players out of their natural position. The subtext of this seems to be that he can see something that all us knob heads can't, and that these decisions will ultimately demonstrate his tactical genius. The reality is that this sort of thinking is alienating him from a very pissed off bunch of supporters.
There's no reason to suggest Everton can't go the way they did eight years ago and bring in another up and coming manager from the lower leagues. Afterall Moyes was an unknown quantitye back then. With a bit more optimism some should logok at the bigger picture and think and realise that there are other managers out there that can work with these players and even do better than Moyes is currently doing with them.
There are those who think we have hit the glass ceiling with Moyes and he's the bets we can hope for. I do not agree with this one bit, we may not get a superstar manager but there are ones in the 'Moyes' moulds out there are are more pro-active and forward thinking that the ginger one.
He has gone stale IMO, the body language isn't right and it appears he no longer cares and is just going through the motions. End of the season is the time to regroup and restructure.
Fuck Moyes off and Kenshite whilst we are at it. No surprises today and thats the fucking rub, under DM there never has been and never will be.
If moyes had an ouce of integrity, he would resign with immediate effect, and wish us,and whoever we replaced him with,all the best. He won't because he's too pig-headed.
I am of the opinion, that he thinks he can do no wrong.
I am of the opinion, that he thinks he can do no wrong.
Be fair lads... he has just masterminded us taking a point off the mighty wigan.
Apparently they are one of the Premier leagues BIG 19, so credit where credits due eh !
Apparently they are one of the Premier leagues BIG 19, so credit where credits due eh !
The decision to start Saha every week is just baffling. How many games is it going to take without him scoring for Moyes to realise he is finished?
It's nearly a year without a league goal from Saha now, and it looks like it could be another year judging by his recent performances. Absolute joke.
It's nearly a year without a league goal from Saha now, and it looks like it could be another year judging by his recent performances. Absolute joke.
Probably the best article on here it's not just me that thinks these thinks.
"things"
To me it seems that Moyes has his own agenda. We always start shit then comeback in the seaosnw with Moyes getting a load of plaudits how he's turned it a round.
What are the odds for Saha starting the next game? Might as well make some money out of that piece of shite
And if someone were to tell me I would be happy if he were to score the winner the next game.. well of course I would cos that s what he is suppose to do! Fucking Score....
And if someone were to tell me I would be happy if he were to score the winner the next game.. well of course I would cos that s what he is suppose to do! Fucking Score....
Moyes has to fuck off, he's completley run out of ideas. He has absolutly no plan B. This team is underperforming and it's time for fresh ideas.
But there's no chance of him resigning and that twat Kenwright ain't going to sack him as he's to comfortable with him and won't risk acquiring a manager who doesn't pander to him in the way Moyes does. ("I wouldn't swop Bill Kenwright for anyone else", blah, blah, blah...)
The club is a joke from top to bottom right now and Kenwright has done yet another one of his disappearing acts when the going gets tough. Where's your plan to take this club forward, Mr Kenwright?
But there's no chance of him resigning and that twat Kenwright ain't going to sack him as he's to comfortable with him and won't risk acquiring a manager who doesn't pander to him in the way Moyes does. ("I wouldn't swop Bill Kenwright for anyone else", blah, blah, blah...)
The club is a joke from top to bottom right now and Kenwright has done yet another one of his disappearing acts when the going gets tough. Where's your plan to take this club forward, Mr Kenwright?
Brining on Anichebe when he had reportedly just turned down £30k a week after he has been injured for the best part of 12 months was a fucking insult.
I agree with your sentments but I don't think sacking Moyes is what is needed. What is needed is for the man who got us into this mess to get us out of it, easier said than done... but a change of tack from him is totally needed.
Sacking him could lead to instability and really see us freefall (even more).
I would leave him in the job until the end of the season with the aim of keeping us up, this season is virtually written off already.
Sacking him could lead to instability and really see us freefall (even more).
I would leave him in the job until the end of the season with the aim of keeping us up, this season is virtually written off already.
I agree with your sentments but I don't think sacking Moyes is what is needed. What is needed is for the man who got us into this mess to get us out of it, easier said than done... but a change of tact form him is totally needed from him.
Sacking him could lead to instability and really see us freefall (even more).
I would leave him in the job until the end of the season with the aim of keeping us up, this season is virtually written off already.
I really don't know who could come in now and sort us out, what other viable options are there?
Sacking him could lead to instability and really see us freefall (even more).
I would leave him in the job until the end of the season with the aim of keeping us up, this season is virtually written off already.
I really don't know who could come in now and sort us out, what other viable options are there?
Moyes said he wants to manage another 400 games. Good luck ousting him without protest guys!
Why is it, that on the OS, they only do a thumbs up?
Charles you say:
'For he has never been an Everton convert, just a highly paid consultant with one eye on the next job'
The next job? He's been here nine years... what a daft thing to say.
However, maybe a change at the end of the season with all parties agreeing would be the best option, as it's been stated before we cannot afford to sack him and he would not deserve that anyway.
In his place we could consider (if they were to want it):
Slaven Bilic
Dave Jones
Or Bournemouth's Eddie Howe.
My favourite being the latter but in a year or two.
'For he has never been an Everton convert, just a highly paid consultant with one eye on the next job'
The next job? He's been here nine years... what a daft thing to say.
However, maybe a change at the end of the season with all parties agreeing would be the best option, as it's been stated before we cannot afford to sack him and he would not deserve that anyway.
In his place we could consider (if they were to want it):
Slaven Bilic
Dave Jones
Or Bournemouth's Eddie Howe.
My favourite being the latter but in a year or two.
I can't believe after 6 games without a win we are not motivated to beat Wigan. These are matches you simply have to win no matter what your aspirations are. I would rather have lost 10-0 last week and win 1-0 today. We would have more fucking points!
Sorry, but who the fuck is going to come and work for a club with no money? Anyone with ambition will not join our club, even if Moyes was dismissed would we have got Pardew? I don't think so.
It's time for direct action ? the vast amount of posters on TW agree that both BK & DM should go. Time to rip up the train set and give the ginger controller his cards.
BK think's he's Everton ? no no no... we are Everton and always will be.
Kenwright Out ? Moyes OUT
BK think's he's Everton ? no no no... we are Everton and always will be.
Kenwright Out ? Moyes OUT
David, we have DM robbing a living on a paltry £65k a week, offer that and you'd have a queue down County Road.
Simon. Right behind you mate. Kenwright out. Moyes out.
Moyesy'll turn it around ? he always does.
Andrew @ 27
Sorry you didn't pick up on the nuance, Ferguson is still at Man Utd.
Sorry you didn't pick up on the nuance, Ferguson is still at Man Utd.
David (#29), why do you keep repeating this lie? If/when Moyes goes, there would be a queue of prospective managers lining up to take the job. Alternatively, if Kenwright/Green were to develop a shortlist (with help from David Moyes and/or Walter Smith!!!), I'm confident very few would turn it down. So pack it in please, you are completely wrong with your assertion.
David (#29) I'm sure you think, if you keep spouting this line on every thread, it will become like a subliminal message, and we will all start agreeing with you.
Charles @ 34
Straight over the top! Bit like the players really!
Straight over the top! Bit like the players really!
I have always been a fan of David Moyes but, for fuck's sake, why does he keep playing Saha? Has he kidnapped Moyes's kids or have some dodgy photos of Moyes or something.Looking at recent matches, Yakubu scores against Stoke, dropped next match? Beckford scores against Bolton, dropped next match? Beckford scores against Chelsea, dropped next match... all to be replaced by Saha, who to be honest has been shite since he signed his shiny new contract. What's going on?
Next, we will hve some no-mark like Anichebe asking for some ludicrous amount of money for doing fuck all...
Is Davey's brother Saha's and Arteta's agent?
I dont know about winning a trophy in the next few years I would not mind winning a home game!
1) MK; we haven't had a toffeeweb poll for some time.
Simple question... Moyes out?? Yes or No.
2) Is Yakubu NOT being played to keep him fit for sale and;
Is Saha being played to PROVE he is fit for sale??
Simple question... Moyes out?? Yes or No.
2) Is Yakubu NOT being played to keep him fit for sale and;
Is Saha being played to PROVE he is fit for sale??
Wish manure would hurry up & take Moyes!!
Derek, probably more like another case of the wanker that is Moyes, having another falling out with one of his players, in the case of the Yak.
What a load of crap from all of you.
Jesus Christ, listening to you all moan it's as if we're rooted to the bottom of the table with old crocked players, no youth policy, no sellable assets, 10 points adrift from safety.
We're not in the best of shapes and we're off form, granted, but it's not as bad as 9 out of 10 of the miserable sods on this site are making it out to be and before you start, I am no Moyes apologist, whatever that is. He just happens to be our club's manager right now and if you don't like it there is fuck all you can do about it.
I'm going to take a breather from Toffeeweb for a while for my own sanity.
Jesus Christ, listening to you all moan it's as if we're rooted to the bottom of the table with old crocked players, no youth policy, no sellable assets, 10 points adrift from safety.
We're not in the best of shapes and we're off form, granted, but it's not as bad as 9 out of 10 of the miserable sods on this site are making it out to be and before you start, I am no Moyes apologist, whatever that is. He just happens to be our club's manager right now and if you don't like it there is fuck all you can do about it.
I'm going to take a breather from Toffeeweb for a while for my own sanity.
See ya, Glenn.
It's not unusual for Moyes apologists to be lost for words at these times, and to only be capable of lashing out at the ignorant and stupid fans who dare to question Moyes's methods and madness. The noticeable thing is that's all you can do.
"We're not in the best of shapes and we're off form" ? but that shouldn't concern us, eh, Glenn? 9 out of 10 are over-reacting? Really?
If you're so smart, instead of running off and hiding, why don't you go through the list provided here, point for point, and explain why everything is really nowhere near as bad as it seems. Then I might have a bit more respect for your minority perspective.
It's not unusual for Moyes apologists to be lost for words at these times, and to only be capable of lashing out at the ignorant and stupid fans who dare to question Moyes's methods and madness. The noticeable thing is that's all you can do.
"We're not in the best of shapes and we're off form" ? but that shouldn't concern us, eh, Glenn? 9 out of 10 are over-reacting? Really?
If you're so smart, instead of running off and hiding, why don't you go through the list provided here, point for point, and explain why everything is really nowhere near as bad as it seems. Then I might have a bit more respect for your minority perspective.
I agree Glen, I can't understand what all the fuss is about.
I mean, 3 wins out of 17, is quite decent.
18pts from a possible 51, thats not to be sneezed at.
2pts above the relegation places, well as you say, at least wer'e not rooted to the bottom of the table, so nothing to worry about there either.
Yes Glen, nothing to worry about........
I mean, 3 wins out of 17, is quite decent.
18pts from a possible 51, thats not to be sneezed at.
2pts above the relegation places, well as you say, at least wer'e not rooted to the bottom of the table, so nothing to worry about there either.
Yes Glen, nothing to worry about........
Michael & Brian ? I am not saying we are doing well or I love the position we are in. I am just sick of the constant moaning on these pages and I do think Toffeeweb attracts, even condones, negative comments more than other Everton sites.
See you all in a few weeks when hopefully things might look up.
See you all in a few weeks when hopefully things might look up.
Rob (24) I have the ultimate answer. It's up to Bill. Bill has a quiet chat with Dave and enlightens him of what students do in terms of what is known as a "Gap Year". He then tells him that, just like certain players of our club have gone on loan, he too will now be sent on loan to an Italian or Spanish or Argentinian club for two seasons.
He is then told not to worry because the club will be in good hands and that while he's away Steve Round will take over as caretaker manager.
This will be done because by the time Moyes gets back we will be striving our way towards the Blue (at least it could be royal) Square Premier League and the knowledge that Moyes will now have i.e. tactics, will get us to Round 4 of the FA Cup.
Now, once he's back, Moyes will look like a complete and utter (or udder if your name is Albert Perkins, yes mate a truly brilliant thread!!!) genius of Einstein factual.
But hey, Moyes has a mental block. We all hear about writers and artists that go through the same thing. I can tell you now I write songs and compose music. Every so often your brain closes down and doesn't function. You have been so long doing the same thing that at some point it doesn't make sense anymore. That last verse... those last few brush strokes... you just can't seem to do it.
Moyes, with Everton is at that stage now. He's to close to the subject matter and can't see what's under his nose. We however are on the outside and, as I agree with everyone, it's a shame Moyes can't or will not tap into our Everton philosophy. But he's there and we're not.
At the end of the day, it's down to Moyes's boss, and not Moyes ? that's where the BUCK stops.
FFS COYB
He is then told not to worry because the club will be in good hands and that while he's away Steve Round will take over as caretaker manager.
This will be done because by the time Moyes gets back we will be striving our way towards the Blue (at least it could be royal) Square Premier League and the knowledge that Moyes will now have i.e. tactics, will get us to Round 4 of the FA Cup.
Now, once he's back, Moyes will look like a complete and utter (or udder if your name is Albert Perkins, yes mate a truly brilliant thread!!!) genius of Einstein factual.
But hey, Moyes has a mental block. We all hear about writers and artists that go through the same thing. I can tell you now I write songs and compose music. Every so often your brain closes down and doesn't function. You have been so long doing the same thing that at some point it doesn't make sense anymore. That last verse... those last few brush strokes... you just can't seem to do it.
Moyes, with Everton is at that stage now. He's to close to the subject matter and can't see what's under his nose. We however are on the outside and, as I agree with everyone, it's a shame Moyes can't or will not tap into our Everton philosophy. But he's there and we're not.
At the end of the day, it's down to Moyes's boss, and not Moyes ? that's where the BUCK stops.
FFS COYB
What shite ... we were all over Wigan for most of the game and played some nice football ... sometimes games go like this.
The only change Moyes needs to make is to drop Saha ... he's totatlly out of sorts.
Opinions are like arse holes - everyone has one but how many of the gobshites on here have run a Premiership club?
Arteta in for Cahill once he heads to the Asian Cup and a new striker and we'll be Ok.
Let's just run our fingers throuhg our perms, stroke our 'taches and ...Calm down... calm down.
The only change Moyes needs to make is to drop Saha ... he's totatlly out of sorts.
Opinions are like arse holes - everyone has one but how many of the gobshites on here have run a Premiership club?
Arteta in for Cahill once he heads to the Asian Cup and a new striker and we'll be Ok.
Let's just run our fingers throuhg our perms, stroke our 'taches and ...Calm down... calm down.
Okay, everbody, pay attention ? New Rule: No More Moaning!
Glenn says that, while things are not that great, there are far too many negative posts, and 9 out of 10 of you are clearly wrong to be concerned.
So please... NO MORE NEGATIVE POSTS! And whatever you do, don't be suggesting that Moyes should be ousted. Try to be positive... look forward to the moment when he turns it around, as we all know he can. Don't dwell too much on the current crap he's serving up... ooops ? I can't say that, can I.
Glenn says that, while things are not that great, there are far too many negative posts, and 9 out of 10 of you are clearly wrong to be concerned.
So please... NO MORE NEGATIVE POSTS! And whatever you do, don't be suggesting that Moyes should be ousted. Try to be positive... look forward to the moment when he turns it around, as we all know he can. Don't dwell too much on the current crap he's serving up... ooops ? I can't say that, can I.
Taking of arseholes, Spragg, what sort of comment is this supposed to be:
"How many of the gobshites on here have run a Premier League club?"
"How many of the gobshites on here have run a Premier League club?"
Time for another new rule: You cannot comment unless you have experience running a Premier League club. Can't believe I didn't think of that one when we first set this thing up...
Michael, you obviously didn't read my post. It's not now getting to be the personification of satire, but the reality of satirical comedy.
PS bbc fuck off, i'm not a prozzy.....
PS bbc fuck off, i'm not a prozzy.....
You're right, Jon... I have to respond in the order I read the comments... or I end up very confused. And I start making up silly rules.
I've read it now, though... but I'm not very good with these flights of fancy. However, a one-year secondment to CD Everton is what's called for, me thinks: with strict instructions to get them promoted ASAP.
And not to come back if he fails...
I've read it now, though... but I'm not very good with these flights of fancy. However, a one-year secondment to CD Everton is what's called for, me thinks: with strict instructions to get them promoted ASAP.
And not to come back if he fails...
Michael, stop it please because when the tv licence people knock at my door, come over.........
Satire at it's finest.......
Satire at it's finest.......
It confuses me when people say "Now is not the time to panic" ?
Please can somebody tell me the "Official" time to panic.
It's about 10.10pm .. do I have time to make a cup of tea first or is it immiment ?
I've been ready to PANIC for weeks now and this not knowing exactly WHEN TO is doing my head in.
Bugger, I need the loo now ... heightened anxiety state plays havoc --- nobody start until I've come back...
Michael Evans, you've given me another great idea. After everyone stops posting because (a) they are only moaning, and/or (b) they are not ex-Prem managers... we can covert the site to one big ticking countdown clock:
Time to Panic in... x Hrs y Mins z Secs...
Brilliant.
Time to Panic in... x Hrs y Mins z Secs...
Brilliant.
MK, Everton is now a joke. It was great four years ago, but now is in the quagmire. You know this. We need to change things very soon. "We need to buy something different from the supramarket. (pissed of course but I'm carrying on ) January: get rid of Saha, he's rubbish, then get rid of Arteta (£5 mill if he can't do the bizz for us).
Having said all that, Moyes, don't forget ? when you are gone, don't forget we will still be here. Also, don't forget ? we are bigger than you as a club!/>We will still be here when you're gone.
I sort of support Everton when in the right management.......
Having said all that, Moyes, don't forget ? when you are gone, don't forget we will still be here. Also, don't forget ? we are bigger than you as a club!/>We will still be here when you're gone.
I sort of support Everton when in the right management.......
Errr, right, trying to be positive, Moyes will turn it round, he always does.
That's it, Jon; Negativity, your BANNED!!!
Sorry guys... I'm pissed... but I love this website. Luv you all! I'm off to bed.
I've gotta go... It's getting really strange... bye bye, my EFC people!!!
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