Southall fearful over Moyes's Everton future

United, Arsenal, Spurs, City, Chelsea, Liverpool?

Can't see him at any of these clubs for various reasons (eg: some/all of them not wanting him, or him not wanting to go anywhere where there's interference).

Newcastle, Stoke, Swansea etc?

Well we tend to finish between 5th and 8th and often above 'the rest' so from his point, why would he?

Plus if he did, his battle for money/players wouldn't be THAT different (at most other clubs).

Germany?

Well he has expressed an interest but unless he already has something set-up (which is possible) it would mean a decent top-4 side over there sacking a manager at the end of May and thinking 'Moyes is our man'.

Possible but not very likely.

Plus there are very few places where he would be on the poke we pay him (nb: not saying he's money mad but never easy to take a cut).

Maybe I've missed something but my guess is he'll sign again.

Unless you look like Brad Pitt it might remind some of you of attempts to chat up certain women. Yeh they will consider going out with you but they won't commit until the end of the dance/disco/hop/ they've seen what other offers they might get.

Shag off now, was always my reaction.

My guess is that it's signed, sealed, and delivered he's gone and he and Kenwright and them have agreed so. The last transfer window seems to indicate it.

Would add, with all the speculation, not sure why anyone thinks he'll manage another club next season if he leaves us. Would guess he doesn't need the money and will sort out the offers; which he'll get.

And just as an American, Moyes want you to re-sign. But if you don't, please come manage my MLS Red Bulls. Please!!!

And since I'm at it, Moyes goes? Kenwright, sign up Bruce Arena. He's a decade overdue managing in the EPL. Much better than the usual suspects being touted.

"Yeh they will consider going out with you but they won't commit until the end of the dance/disco/hop/ they've seen what other offers they might get"

This isn't a situation I'm familiar with as I was a regular at the Grafton.

(and unfortunately I can't think of a Moyes leaving analogy that involves buying a drunken 55 year old women a hot dog, then giving her one in the doorway of Betfred).

I never said it didn’t work (although I’m not sure how Tom got on). Although I am sometimes reminded of Woody Allen, who said that Parker Brothers had made an offer for the story of his sex life and were planning to turn it into a game.

Eugene

You might be able to think of a Rooney analogy not dissimilar to the scenario you suggest. And by the way I don’t believe things were like that when you were in Sweden. Especially given your linkedin photo.

Seriously folks. Does anyone want this endless speculation for month after month? In the business world, there's only ever one answer to the threat of resignation. It is as follows: "The door's that wooden thing in the corner."

I went to a Q&A/book signing thing in London at the Welsh Society last year, and he was quality. I asked him what he thought of Bill Kenwright – his answer was, "I think he's a nob. I mean, he works in show business, but he can't sell Everton? I think he's a fucking nob!"

He later added that he believes the club is for sale, but that Kenwright & Co are holding out for a massive profit.

None of this is anything new, but coming from an ex-player, I was delighted that the penny had finally dropped with at least one of them. Sharp, Snodin and Horne would have been playing the violin on the Titanic...

By the way, he also said that Everton is the biggest club that Moyes will manage, and that Moyes is a cautious manager, and he'd like to see him go for it a bit more (while recognising the good job he has done, I must add).

Once again, I repeat. Southall is the only one of our ex-players worth listening to, and he is quality live if anyone gets the chance...

I agree with him when he says the board haven't really backed Moyes with sufficient funds over the years but, Moyes has accepted this situation while being paid a fortune.

We could get to the Cup Final with a lucky semi-final draw but don't see us winning it and we will come up just a bit short of getting 4th.

Fair play to Southall for telling it like it is.

So what for the new manager? Surely just running into the same brick wall?

Lawrenson says: 'I do think there’s a real possibility Moyes could go in the summer – provided there is somewhere else worthwhile to go, of course.

It’s got to the stage where every season is Groundhog Day for him. I’ve always said he is as good a manager as any with the resources he has had at his disposal.'

In the rest of the article he also says that DM would like to be able to walk into the Chairman's office during the January transfer window and say I would like to add xyz to the squad and for the wheels to be set in motion, a luxury according to ML that DM hasn't had at Goodison.

That would seem to indicate pretty strongly that our suspicions that the board let David Moyes down during the last transfer window, are not too far off the mark.

Spot on, big Nev.

I wouldn't be surprised because everyone thinks he's a better manager than he actually is. And this is coming from someone who appreciates what Moyes has done for the club. I think only Evertonians recognise how woefully inept he is tactically.

In many ways I'll be sad to see him go. He has done a great job. However, though he thinks he has gone as far as he can with Everton - I think Everton have perhaps gone as far as we can with Moyes.

Our next manager - I want him to be young, hungry and to look to our youth system.

Moyes has done a good job, built a good side but when it comes to the crunch the negative side of the manager come to the fore. We should have beaten Kenny D's pretty ordinary team, capitulation and surrender is the hallmark of Moyes 11 year reign. So sign him up or another 5 years and endure the same ole shite.

Why would they invest their own money? You don't get rich throwing money down the pan.

Also, BK is not as hard up as he makes out. His theatre production company, "Bill Kenwright Ltd" is the biggest in the world. He made a fortune from Blood Brothers which played all over the globe.

It wouldn't be money down the pan if they're genuine about selling up because securing Champions League will enhance the value, profile and saleability of the club.

However, I just believe the board (Green, Earl and Grantchester) would not put money in while Kenwright is in charge.

Paul Gregg (a lifelong friend) realized his shortcomings so the likes of Earl, Green and Grantchester who IMO are much sharper have worked him out by now. He reminds me of those false beggars in the tube stations that con people out of thousands.

The Everton Board of Directors:

Bill Kenwright
Jon Woods
Robert Earl
Sir Philip Carter

Grantchester owns around 2,773 shares (~8%); he left the Board in December 2000.

Sir Philip Green... ??? Nobody seems to know what his involvement with Everton, is beyond being a special 'friend' — according to Bill Kenwright.

BK and the Board may now look for someone less ambitious who can keep us in the premiership on a reduced wage bill. Doesn't sound too good but it wouldn't surprise me. Moyes has raised the bar but they are not prepared to match it..

That said, his stats are there for all to see. But my biggest gripe with him is that he has backed the very man who's let him down: Kenwright. I believe that without Moyes's backing Kenwright would have been chased out of town long ago.

I have to believe because it because the alternative is that we have allowed a proven liar to blow smoke up our arses about being the biggest blue ever born and then sell all our assets — including the training facility given to us by Sir John Moores — just to fund his own tenure.

A large proportion of us tried to get things started protest wise and I for one am ready to start again, I don't really understand why they stopped.

It's only an idea whatever those fans who want a change do to protest , it has to be legally allowed in the stadium like the yellow/green scarves of Man Utd for example. It might even raise awareness that the club is indeed for sale.

Other clubs boards have backed their managers regularly and O'Neill left Villa as soon as money stopped being available.

I reckon Moyes has been duped so by making this stand over his contract renewal he will need to resign or back down completely to keep his credibility.
He made a similat gesture last time his contract was up for renewal but his position was not so strong then.
Now he has the best football playing first eleven he has ever assembled and wanted backing during January to keep the team flowing forwards.
It was inevitable that fatigue and minor injuries would take its toll but he wanted similarly good players in reserve to be able to keep up the momentum.
The board have more or less taken the mickey and put the ball back into his court.

Personally I admire Moyes integrity and genuinely believe he wants EFC to be at the top.
The fans share his ambition.

This board obviously do NOT !!

The stubbornness of picking his old favourites, the reluctance to give youth a chance? The lack of vision? The basic football? On this site it seems like 70-30 in favour of him going but what do you think the odds are on that percentage being replicated in the stadium?

This is part of the reason why he's going to sign, there's just not enough pressure from the stands. Oh well, here's to another 5 years of what-ifs and the Groundhog Day scenario.

I know it's heartbreaking but once they start losing money hand over fist, they will panic and we will have got the message through good and proper. They will then either (a) spend some money; (b) sell the club for a reasonable price; or (c) go fuckin' bust. Call their bluff.

If no-one takes up the coming Early Bird Sale (if they have one), surely the Money Men who are backing BK will see the writing on the wall. The only way to get rid of them is to stop giving the club your Money!

The club is going to get an extra £60m from TV this Summer... Why don't they use £13m to buy Finch Farm, that might reduce the 87p in the £ to a manageable 80p in the £.

It would also pay for itself over 6 years... oh, I forgot: our Chairman doesn't understand accounts!! MY ARSE as quoted by Jim Royal.

Perhaps he simply doesn't fancy yet another year of fighting against the odds to make the top 4, particularly when Arsenal and Liverpool will both have far more money to improve in the summer.

As Big Nev has suggested, the boards failure to support him with a couple of signings in January could be the final straw for Moyes should the team fall short over the coming months.