Moyes complains about time-keeping again

I don't know what I'm more pissed off with, the crap performances or the fact that the excuses given seems to make Everton think we supporters are thick!

Something is not right with Moyes and the media have his contract issue between their teeth now which will only get worse. It is obviously affecting performances so it needs addressing asap.

The Utd game I think we were defending a Utd corner, did so but immediately were 4 against two or something on the break... he blew up as the break was in full swing. We had broke up Norwich's play.

Oh, the media might love you. But then they don't hand over hard earned money for season tickets every season to watch dross, do they? No that's us mugs isn't it. Go now and take Naismith, Osman, Fellaini, Jelavic, Neville, Anichebe, Hitzlsperger, Howard, Coleman, Pienaar, Distin and Jagielka with you. Because I for one am fed up with it

Seeing as our CL hopes have all but gone, I hope Spurs win on Monday, because the other lot are in with a better chance of CL football than we are, and that truly is sickening.

Moyes throws on Mirallas (right substitution) but takes off Jeli when it should have been Naismith.

Mirallas on the right instead of Naismith and Jeli in the middle gives us more of a goal threat and gives Norwich something more to think about.

I'm sure we'll get the usual crap from Neville ,Jagielka and all in the media about how this'll be a big motivation for Tuesday and the fans have to play their part well I'm sorry boys but give us something anything to get hyped up about on the pitch where it REALLY matters and we will. As for Moyes I've got just one thing for you to do and that's be honest with us and tell us you're leaving we are adults ,we will be able to handle it and at least the club,players and us the fans can draw a line under you and move on. Thanks for your efforts Davey lad bits were good,bits were average but a lot was complete and utter dross!

Can't wait for him to ship out.

David Moyes says his Everton future is not a distraction source BBC Sky-sports:

Everton manager David Moyes has rejected claims that uncertainty about his future is affecting the team after one win in 6 Premier League matches.

"I think that's rubbish," he said. "We're still realistically playing for a place in the Champions League."

Moyes, who joined in 2002, is out of contract at the end of the season and could wait until then before deciding whether to stay at Goodison Park.

What is really galling though is that DM thinks we are all stupid and don't realise he is keeping his options open on the off chance an Arsenal or Man City come along; and if they don't he will condescend to stay, but it will all be wrapped up as a big positive. Never mind that our season has gone down the pan because (whether he thinks it or not) hi indecision and wait and see approach is costing us big time. It's selfish at best and patronising at worst; fans will quickly turn on him if all this posturing is seen to cost us an FA Cup win or European football. Tuesday night is a big game for Moyes now, but so are the other 11 Prem games and hopefully a further three in the Cup.

The players fell apart for the 2nd time in a couple of weeks and if they cannot defend a lead for 10 minutes including injury time then its down to them and them alone.

The only outfield player available who was not on the pitch was Mirallas, so what else can the manager do ?
Motivating the players has worked for most of the season and today was our 5th league defeat this season.
But the players stopped playing and just dropped deeper and deeper against a team that only had spirit to offer....same as Oldham !!

The blame if any should be aimed at the board for not using the transfer window to provide us with fresh, decent reserves to bolster our jaded squad.
One decent signing would boost the team and we missed the boat.
Stop blaming the manager who had no real alternatives to the side on the pitch.

FFS Blame this diabolical BOARD

I fear the worst over our next 2 outings in the FA Cup — if Moyes can't get us to the Semi-Final he should do the decent thing and fuck off. But I am sure the top clubs he has been linked with have more sense than to appoint a guy who has been a manager at EFC for 11 years and won fuck all.

As you said yourself the team out there today was Moyes team his players NOT the boards,so I fail to see your logic.

Unacceptable this, the RS will soon be above us... why are we let down just as we are on the cusp of glory?

Moyes Out and Kenwright Out.

The squad needed freshening for any chance of 4th and they missed an opportunity, again.

For me, it was an unforgivable lack of ambition and the league was over.

I'd like Moyes to give a few younger players a go now and rest the flagging Osman, Pienaar etc and save them for the cup. But, he won't, unfortunately.

I think Moyes will go in the summer and many will cheer. We all then place our trust in Kenwright. I sincerely hope he gets it right, again, but I fear whoever we get will just be papering over the ever widening cracks.

A penny for Bill's thoughts tonight......

1. Last season's Anfield derby.
2. FA Cup semi-final; trying to sit on a one-nil lead for around an hour.
3. Keeping us dangling like cunts while he waits to see if the Arsenal/Chelsea/Bundesliga job comes up.
4. Slagging our own players, for example, Cole is better than Baines. Why not big up our own player, you prick!
5. Taking of our ONLY striker, two weeks on the run, and inviting the opposition the score, which they did.
6. Having veiled digs at the fans "they don't seem to like my decisions".
7. His fucking MASSIVE wages whilst bemoaning our lack of transfer kitty.

I could probably think of more but this little lot has depressed me enough.

I will. Surprised you did not see it as it was so obvious.

Bring Mirallas on but also leave Jelavic on. Play Mirallas in Fellaini's position behind but close to Jelavic, therefore stopping the full backs getting forward. Take Ossie off and drop Fellaini deeper into midfield to protect the area where Norwich were getting a lot of the ball.

Basic stuff really.

"I think Moyes will go in the summer and many will cheer. We all then place our trust in Kenwright. I sincerely hope he gets it right, again, but I fear whoever we get will just be papering over the ever widening cracks."

Place our trust in Kenwright?

Hope he gets it right?.....Again!?

Sentences don't come any more nonsensical than that.

I am not going to bother now with the Oldham game as there is no way I can continue to support that Muppet Moyes. It's only more cruel torture that can save us now. It has to get worse before it gets better — and by 'better', I mean Moyes fucking off back to Scotland as no-one down here will take him on.

I will bet anyone whatever they like there is no bigger club than us will go any where near Disastrous Dave.

Today, whatever anyone says the starting 11 was probably our strongest other than Naismith starting instead of Mirallas. To support the anti-Moyes brigade, I would agree that Mirallas should have started rather than Naismith and that, even though we appeared in control of the game, he should have put Mirallas on far sooner in place of Naismith rather than Jelavic and tried to put the game to bed; better to lose going for it rather than lose trying to hold on.

However, to rebut the anti-Moyes brigade, I would argue that, for the large part of the game we appeared to be well in control of the game and, irrespective of what players were on the field, they should have been able to see out the game and use suitable tactics accordingly.

DM was not on the field, you could argue that the players on the field should have been able to deal with things. Where was there a leader to take control on the pitch and pull things together? While you can argue Moyes was at fault with a) initial team selection (1 player) and poor tactical substitutions when it comes down to it the game was lost by the ineptitude of the players out on the pitch.

The team reflect the managers personality. He's been at the club so long that the players only know one way to play.

When we get beat or we don't put in a performance, Moyes gets it in the neck big time.

No mention of the players.

No mention of the fact that for the first twenty minutes, Baines, Gibson and Osman couldn't find a blue shirt or that Jelavic couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo.

It's all getting a bit fuckin boring to be honest.

The way I feel at the moment, I couldn't be arsed whether Moyes leaves or not. Same goes for any of our players.

Just for the record, I'd have taken Jelavic off too.

Howard, Seamus and Distin can feel like they did a job today, the rest were shite again.

The players don't get away with it, certainly not on here.

You can't take all the plaudits when things go well, then blame the players when it goes tits up.

Our position in the league currently is the absolute best we can hope for, and as long as Man Utd, Chelsea, and Man City are still in the FA Cup we have no chance. In fact I would rather go out to Oldham than endure the disappointment that is inevitably coming our way again soon. That is what being an Everton fan means now unfortunately.

If you are, you're the second person on this site today that's wanted us to lose and you're a dick.

If I've got it wrong, I apologise, I must have misunderstood.

How many times have we seen the negative substitutions when the game is stretched and crying out for attacking options (and Mirallas for Jelavic while Naismith is on the field is negative imo)?

Why does Howard never launch a quick counter after an opposition corner? Is it because the manager has every attacking player back in our box?

We have a naturally attacking first team playing dour, defensive, long ball shite and that, imo, is the managers fault.

Kenshite and his cronies haven't supported him in January but he could have easily said as much instead of this cloak and dagger bullshit phoney bid for Fer. On a match day it down to Moyes to choose the players to get a result, they fail and its ultimately down to the manager, otherwise why even bother having one.

They get away with murder. Except for the usual suspects (Ossie, Naismith and Neville). Read the 200 plus posts on here today after the game. It's all Moyes Moyes Moyes. Only Moyes.

Did you see the attempts at taking a corner today ffs? Does Moyes teach them that? Is that what they do all week, practice hitting the first man from every corner or cross. Pienaar couldn't even reach the 18-yard box with one of them.

I get exactly what's being said - Moyes history means a big game against a monied outfit taking it seriously means no cigar.

Unfortunately Moyes has some kind of Svengali thing going with many and such a loss would be meat and drink to the excuse merchants whereas Oldham is a different kettle of fish - they'd only want another 5 yrs instead of 10 - no, no not even in jest!!

Having said that I still think a Moyes exit would be the worse thing to happen to our club.

Today might be a bit different cos I think it was the final straw for a lot of people. Yeah the corners were shite and who was the worst? Pienaar. I for one i'm getting really pissed off with Pienaar, who's run of poor form is only bettered by Neville's. It down to himself to sort his form out but its Moyes who picks him every game without fail even though Ovideo is on the bench.

This was Norwich, they should have been dead and buried way before the refs time-keeping mattered.

I can't believe someone would give up our only chance of winning something this season to get rid of a manager because he doesn't win anything.

It's ridiculous whether you like him or not.

I just think, whether Moyes picks them or not or whether it's down to Moyes not signing his contract, the players who could have had us challenging for a top 4 place aren't performing like they should.

'I may sign, I may not. Won't you lot be lucky if I sign another contract.'

Well fuck off Moyes. If Kenwright is the blue he tells us he is then he should be feeling like every other one of us right now. In which case he should realise Moyes is a fraud and has taken this club for a lot of money. Withdraw the contract offer and start planning for the future.

I believe he is delusional, and his arrogance knows no bounds. He cant leave soon enough for me.

By delaying the talks David Moyes has placed an enormous amount of trust in his players and so far that trust has been misplaced.

The last few times we've been on telly (Saints, Man Utd, Oldham) I go into work the next day and people ask, "You pay to go and watch that?" It's embarrassing. The football we play is diabolical. No spirit, no flair, midfielders who shoot like 5 year olds, and a manager who will not budge from tactics that have repeatedly been tried and failed.

Enough is enough

I don't want Moyes out because he doesn't win anything as I don't expect us to win a trophy in our current state. What I do expect is the manager of Everton Football Club to play proper football and try to win games by scoring goals. I don't want us to over-respect our opponents and instill fear and trepidation into our own side.

I can't stand the shithouse siege mentality Moyes has. I can't stand the way we raise the white flag and lose games before a ball is kicked. I hate a manager who cannot see when a player is finished and needs shipping out or a player is so out of form and needs dropping but he won't do it.

All the above can be credited to Moyes yet fans still back him. And yes, I think going to Wembley this season will mean Moyes staying — and that cannot be good for the club.

Generally, the ref will not stop the game as one team is close to creating a clear opportunity to score, unlike the famous Brazilian goal which was disallowed as a corner cross came over and the ref blew as the striker headed it in. In short he is looking to end the game at a moment in the game where the phase of play is less important, such as when a team clears an attack.

He's representing our club. The man is a graceless buffoon.

We are going to struggle for the rest of the season unless we score more goals. It really is as simple as that. Right now I think we need to take some risks and give Vellios and Barkley a run out and see if they can cut the mustard.

'By all accounts, at present he does not have any concrete offers on the table with which to fend off, hence his delay in putting pen to paper on a new one-year rolling contract with Everton for next season, so he had to make that announcement last Friday having originally stated that he would make a final decision on the matter by the end of January. Looking back now, that was perhaps a mistake on his part.'

Is it true only a one-year rolling contract? Or was that just Bill Kenwright's delaying tactics?

What lost us the game was sitting back in our own box with no outlet for the ball out. Their second was a direct result of a hoof upfield by Naismith into empty space for Norwich to punt it back in. It was into space that Naismith himself should have been in to receive the ball for a counter attack but he was playing so far back I thought he was Neville at times.

I'm not singling Naismith out for blame as Osman and Fellaini were guilty of the same hoofing out of defence from our box, and it goes without saying Jagielka too.

I complained about the same backs to the wall defence after our last home game of last season against Newcastle when we won 3-1 and we're still emloying the same tactics when we are winning.

That must be down to Moyes tactics as I don't beleive the collective unconscious of the whole team suddenly clicks in to tell them all to defend defend defend when we're dominating a game and the manager would have cut it out long ago if it wasn't his instructions.

According to the commentators before this game we'd thrown away 16 points from a winning position in games, make that 19 points now. We'll never get CL football doing that.

I think I saw Jelavic more in our own box than the oppositions. Anyone else remember the goal line clearance he made a couple of games ago from an opposition corner? WTF is our ONLY striker doing defending corners???

Where ever did we get that idea from?

Do you seriously believe no other manager could do better with this squad of players: Kendall and Royle would have had a field day.

The media love-in with Moyes has sucked in so many Everton fans to thinking we would be doomed without him that his holding us to ransom seems almost reasonable.

Bollocks, get him to commit now or tell him he is free to choose somewhere else to work come May. I once thought this bloke would take us to the top again, now I think he has found his level. We can do better, he can't.

I think we're in a similar position to Arsenal with Wenger. Arsenal are only arsed about their finances and as long as Wenger keeps them in he CL then they're directors are happy. As long as Moyes reaches the 40 point mark each year then that's all Kenwright and his cronies are arsed about. Moyes' love in with Kenwright means he causes his chairman minimal fuss. Why would Kenwright want to risk appointing a manager who causes him fuss? The irony is the worse we start playing now, the more likely it is Moyes will stay.

And Fellaini has been our best player up to his suspension when he's been playing forward, it's when he's moved back he's been ineffective.

Isn't it about time you took the managers job application you sent to Everton a few years ago (that hangs up in your bog) and amend it so its addressed to bullshit bill??

If Alex Ferguson saw the ref giving more time he would be made up because he would try to win the game against Norwich — not hang on for a draw like the negative boring sod we have as a manger.

To all of you who support Moyes, I say, no matter where you live in the world, stop watching Everton for free: every time you watch, give £34 to a charity... then you will know what the ones who have to pay get for their money. It's easy to come on here and say just how good Moyes is if you don't have to pay and sit in a cold bloody ground for 90 minutes watching boring negative football.

Moyes has been here 11 years and for most of the time the football has been crap yet his supporters say he keeps us from relegation — for £70,000 a week, no-one else could do that?

Tony Marsh is right: vote with your feet, don't give Moyes any money towards his wages, join the pub set or go online and watch for free... maybe then a near draw at Norwich will make me excited as well.

In the past, when the likes of Lee, Bingham and others failed, there were no excuses — the crowd let them know... and, when they didn't alter their ways, they were sacked. But then we had a board that listened to the fans and the shareholders; now, we have a one-man dictatorship. Keep on supporting Moyes, tell yourself "Who else could we get?"

Then watch Bradford v Swansea at Wembley on tv and think Laudrop has only been there 7 months, he has no money, he has won in the League at Arsenal and Liverpool... Moyes hasn't done that in 11 years. He hasn't got us to the League Cup Final in 11 years but there is no-one else who can do better?

Moyes has talked down your expectations, he tells you that before the game at Stoke, if you offered him a draw, he would take it.

For those of you too young to remember Everton when they were EVERTON — ask some of the older supporters, "Is Moyes is a miracle worker or an average plodding manager?" I think I know what they would say.

Explain that, Moyes — we were only playing Norwich!!!

In the end the only conclusion is that everyone would benefit from a change. In 2002 he was different. Now he's fallen way behind the standard of coaching in the PL.

Look ahead to12 months from now. I bet he' ll still be here.

One of Moyes's biggest problems is his inability to change his system. Regardless of whether the opposition set up 4-4-2 4-3-3 4-2-3-1 or whatever, he will play the same system. He has played it for the vast majority of the time going back to Tim Cahill: 4-4-1-1. Teams know how to set up against us weeks in advance.

A coach needs to think on their feet — not stand on the sideline, waving his hand forward... or waving his hand (mostly) backwards. His tactics are stale and he is to stubborn to change.

Rigid stiff formation every game, a certain amount of players behind the ball at all times. He is a poor coach who won't bring anyone in to the set-up as he knows best.

Incidentally, to counter a couple of comments on here about Moyes apparent withdrawing of his hand from the referees attempted handshake, I watched it a couple of times and Moyes isn't offering and then withdrawing his hand. He appears to be using it to gesture/underline his frustration at Masons' incompetence.

A: He fits our financial model, he was free and cheap wages.

They play there every other week, they know there is something off putting for right footed corner takers so don't do it

Don Revie would no doubt had a dossier on it...all our clipboard carriers, our note pad gurus, headset wearers...they all missed it.

Something I think with the lay of the land, the outside track, the short distance of grass to the flag, the angle of it or what ever.

126 days 'til Davy goes ( assuming the end of June )

We had a must win game on Sat, same for Norwich it must be said, but they won theirs

We have another on Tues...this ones a REAL must win, it's the cup, knock out, sudden death, winner takes all, a draw is no use ( except for Oldham's bank manager )

Add these to the word Moyes and does it fill you with confidence.

Penno's or what...and does that fill you with confidence.

I've generally been a fan of David Moyes and what he's done for the club. However, I've lost patience with him now. I'd like to see Laudrup or Martinez given a shot at creating a footballing team based on Everton principles rather than a KITAP1 approach adopted by a former centre-half with not an attacking idea in his head.

As for the time keeping, there's been games where we've nicked it in the final moments and I've thought the time keeping has been generous in our favour. The one genuine complaint under Moyes's regime that stacks up is the 3 - 3 draw with Man Utd when we got 2 quick goals in injury time and the ref blew just as Jags was about to strike the ball.

Thanks Dave for everything.

There was a reason 'they' got rid of them and it wasn't cost etc.

'They' got rid coz it would give the punters a way of voicing their displeasure.

Moyes is the reason they should be brought back

The Big Canary has Holted our progress.

Moyes plays the blame game to a tee: they were tired, run off their feet. The ref gave us nowt, it's all his fault.

We're still in with a shout as unlikely as that sounds... Move over – here comes the shite.

I won't sign: you can all get fucked, no-one's more important than the Gingerbread Man.

Everton, you made me rich; Evertonians, you make me sick. What right have you to question what I do???

I am the man, The People's Choice... if you don't like it then you can kiss my arse.

So blame the players all you like, in any sport, like any business, the person who holds ultimate responsibility is the manager. Particularly when he recruited the players that you feel are to blame. His team, his tactics, his responsibility.

Football fans are a fickle bunch, I know because I am too but kindly advise me when Moyes asks his players to defend like fucking retards?

As I said, they're all to blame but it's just do easy shouting about the manager even when his players have let him down.

He should be dropping them if they're not following his instructions to take the game to the opposition in the closing minutes because the best way to stop the opposition scoring is to retain possession yourself not hoof it straight back to them.