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Reports: Blues close in on Besic

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Updated Jul 15 Everton are close to signing Bosnia-Herzegovina international Muhamed Beić from Ferencvaros in a deal rising to 4m, according to reports, with the Liverpool Echo suggesting that negotiations with the Hungarian club are close to a resolution.

The 21 year-old's proposed move to Goodison was first suggested as being imminent in tabloid reports last week, followed by claims by talkSPORT last Friday that a 4m deal was done.

That report was premature but the midfielder does seem to be edging closer to a switch to Goodison, according to the Echo's Greg O'Keeffe who posits that confirmation of the transfer could come in the next 48 hours..

Beić has been linked with a move to Goodison for the past couple of weeks after impressing for his country in the World Cup in Brazil where is form did not go unnoticed by Roberto Martinez in ESPN's co-commentary chair .

He was also being strongly linked with Swansea City (with some reports suggesting that a proposed 4m move to the Welsh side has collapsed), West Ham United, Sevilla and AC Milan.  


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Ant Dwyer
1 Posted 10/07/2014 at 23:29:04
Wasn’t it a Colombian midfielder yesterday???

With the blues, we can only believe it when it’s signed sealed and delivered me thinks. Apparently a promising young player though.

Kane Dennison
2 Posted 10/07/2014 at 23:38:29
Would be good business. Sign up.
Jim Bennings
3 Posted 10/07/2014 at 23:47:56
Well it’s another signing I suppose and bolsters the numbers, a World Cup player with experience of playing in a major tournament.
Jamie Barlow
4 Posted 10/07/2014 at 23:59:40
He looks decent.

A much younger Gareth Barry?
Colin Glassar
5 Posted 11/07/2014 at 00:02:43
The more the merrier.
Robert Collins
6 Posted 10/07/2014 at 23:57:23
Alan Nixon, a John Pilger standard journalist at the Mirror, a known and respected lighthouse of truth.

Muhamed Besic and Ferençvaros sets my pulse racing, does it yours?

Joseph Terrence
7 Posted 11/07/2014 at 00:23:52
I doubt this has any legs, but I will say that I like Besic. From what I saw at the World Cup, he is a runner and isn’t afraid to be physical.
Jason Broome
8 Posted 11/07/2014 at 00:18:12
A very talented box-to-box central defensive midfielder who can play in defense. A rising star with a bit of attitude in his game. Please let this be true.
Mike Gaynes
9 Posted 11/07/2014 at 01:40:34
I liked what I saw of him in Brazil... certainly an understudy for Barry. Hope it’s true.
Ben Jones
10 Posted 11/07/2014 at 01:45:44
Cue Greg O’Keefe tomorrow to say he ain’t coming?
James Stewart
11 Posted 11/07/2014 at 02:02:15
Good player... nothing like Barry though. Box-to-box, as stated above, with decent pace.
Beresford McWilliam
12 Posted 11/07/2014 at 04:05:33
I much prefer the sounds of this guy than that MK Dons lad, who seems a bit of a punt to me.
Steve Sweeney
13 Posted 11/07/2014 at 05:36:25

We have offered ٠.5m. West Ham and Swansea ٢m.

Yes, a done deal. Well done once again, Billy Bullshit. We couldnÂ’t agree terms, ran out of time, the agent messed us about blah, blah, blah...

I wish our supporters would wake up and hound Kenwright out of this club.
Good Job he is one of us, hey... WTF!

Simon Crosbie
14 Posted 11/07/2014 at 06:21:05
Besic was fantastic against Argentina. He made Messi look ordinary for most of the game. Tough midfielder and still young so there is plenty of time to develop. I hope this rumour is true.
George Pearson
15 Posted 11/07/2014 at 07:00:03
Now Roberto is back, everything should run as I thought...

We’ll be okay once we sign a top striker and all the weight will be off our shoulders. IRWT

Ryan Snyder
16 Posted 11/07/2014 at 07:04:31
Would love for this signing and the Columbian to be true. Doubtful we get both though, so I would prefer Besic. Both were very important to their teams in the World Cup. Besic is young too. Like some of you pointed out, seems like a great player to learn behind Barry, plus get valuable experience in the Europa League.

James Newcombe
17 Posted 11/07/2014 at 07:50:37
Hope this is true, we still need a CB / Winger / Striker
Eric Myles
18 Posted 11/07/2014 at 08:12:10
Just what I thought Steve #589, a typical bit of BK business.
Sam Hoare
19 Posted 11/07/2014 at 07:37:54
More of a McCarthy understudy than a Barry one I think. A tenacious engine of a player and great value at 2.5m if true.
Billy Colman
20 Posted 11/07/2014 at 08:16:44
BK buisiness ? we should just offer 㿅 million like the RS because that seams to be the average going rate these days. King Brenny has spent nearly 𧴿 million on 19 players, so until a big backer comes in....... IN MARTINEZ WE TRUST
Jim Bennings
21 Posted 11/07/2014 at 08:23:52
When your in European competition and your also trying to get a Champions League place then you need as many players as you can get.

I have always said you cannot have too many players.

What we need now though is a striker, probably two strikers really.

I would accept Traore as back up if we got Lukaku or Bony, or another proven goalscorer, by proven I mean someone with the capabilities and the facts there on paper of having scored near 20 goals.

Then we need some pace on the wings.

I really wanted another year for Deulofeu but obviously that’s dead now.

Phil Walling
22 Posted 11/07/2014 at 08:25:33
Makes sense for Billy Bollocks to offer ٠.5M when others are prepared to pay ٢mill.

It ensures that his signing wont be anytime soon.

Perhaps the Magyars will let us have him on loan !

Erik Dols
23 Posted 11/07/2014 at 08:23:39
Sorry to go off-topic, but I’m just curious. English is not my first language and the last sentence in the article left me wondering, had to read it twice before I got it. "Besic is also being strongly linked with both Swansea City — who, the Mail say, have offered ٢m West Ham United and Sevilla."

When I read it first time, I read it as if Swansea offered three things: ٢m AND West Ham United AND Sevilla. Which of course makes no sense at all.

Can I blame the languague barrier and do all English read it correctly first time?

Andrew Ellams
24 Posted 11/07/2014 at 08:31:39
Erik, English may not be your first language but it is still probably better than a Daily Mail sports writer.

I have been bigging up Besic since I saw him play in the World Cup and he would be an outstanding addition to the squad and step above Gibson in the pecking order. If we got Sanchez too then Gibson could be on his way out.

Chris Williamson
25 Posted 11/07/2014 at 08:46:02
Erik - I see what you mean. If what Swansea were offering were written as a list, to include West Ham etc., there would have been a colon after the word "offered" - just like you did after "three things".

Although I prefer your interpretation for comedic effect. I wish clubs could do things like that. I’d like us to offer some pocket fluff and Liverpool FC for a choc-ice and a packet of flea powder for my dog.

Jon Ferguson
26 Posted 11/07/2014 at 08:58:45
I think another centre mid is a good idea, but I hope we only sign one of Besic and Sanchez. Firstly I’d like to see Ledson given a chance at some point in the season. Secondly the extra 2 or 4 or whatever million is much needed for a striker (and then a winger and then a centre back).
Tony Pickering
27 Posted 11/07/2014 at 09:00:35
Spot on and well spotted Erik. Your English must be better than that of the Mirror reporter. Sorry to say that isn’t too difficult!

I think it could have been put better as:

"Besic is also being strongly linked with both Swansea City — who the Mail say - have offered ٢m, West Ham United and Sevilla." Or

"Besic is also being strongly linked with both Swansea City (who, the Mail say, have offered ٢m), West Ham United and Sevilla." Or

"The mail reports that West Ham have offered 4m for Besic, who has also been linked with Swansea City and Sevilla."

No doubt many other more correct ways too. However, loved the humorous approach - maybe he really is a very very very good player. And pinching Chris’ nice idea, I couldn’t help but imagine the response to the offer.

"A good offer, but we need another ٣. Throw in Liverpool FC and it’s a deal!"

Eric Myles
28 Posted 11/07/2014 at 09:07:13
Erik #603, the other confusion of course is the writers use of ’both’ which would mean 2, and then listing 3 teams.
Sam Morrison
29 Posted 11/07/2014 at 09:38:44
It is a badly-constructed sentence. Or maybe Swansea are richer than we ever knew?
Wayne Stamps
30 Posted 11/07/2014 at 10:58:43
Besic wiki says he is a Everton player number 39, either true a someone being mischievous.

Muhamed Bešić
Personal information
Full name Muhamed Bešić
Date of birth 10 September 1992 (age 21)
Place of birth Berlin, Germany
Height 1.77 m (5 ft 10 in)[1]
Playing position Defensive midfielder
Club information
Current team
[Everton FC]]
Number 39

Youth career
2004–2009 Tennis Berlin
2009–2010 Hamburger SV
Senior career*
Years Team Apps† (Gls)†
2010–2012 Hamburger SV II 38 (0)
2010–2012 Hamburger SV 3 (0)
2012– 2014 Ferencváros 47 (1 years4= 2014- Clubs 4= [ [Everton FC] ] Caps 0 = 0 goals 3= 0)
National team‡
2010– Bosnia and Herzegovina U21 10 (2)
2010– Bosnia and Herzegovina 12 (0)
* Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only.
† Appearances (Goals).
‡ National team caps and goals correct as of

Gergö Ács
31 Posted 11/07/2014 at 11:14:40
I’m Hungarian, in my country I support Ferencvãros which used to be a strong European club - like other Hungarian clubs - decades ago. Our football is much different nowadays, no quality, some clubs (like Ferencvãros) are led by politicians, Hungarian supporters wish for problems like English or Italian football have. In these circumstances, it was nice to see Besic at the World Cup coming from the Hungarian Championship (the only one), he was in focus in sports news.

Ferencvãros often used him as a central defender, though he is not good enough in that position at a higher level. He is fast, technically good, better in midfield. He can lose his cool too easily. I’m not sure if he is good enough for us as a regular player, but we need a bigger squad so he can be a good signing.

Mark Pendleton
32 Posted 11/07/2014 at 11:46:30
I’ve also seen the information that Wayne (#620) posted - the usual Wiki update to have him playing for us already and various reports to say he’s a bit of a nut job. Can’t we just find more decent players like Stones, Coleman and McCarthy - young, eager, quality and sane!?!
Alan McGuffog
33 Posted 11/07/2014 at 12:02:37
Fellow blues. Please advise.... IÂ’m thinking of getting the new shirt. Who shall I have on the back thoÂ’.... Fabric, Besic or the old favourite... Boracic!
James Marshall
34 Posted 11/07/2014 at 12:16:25
I quite like that he was strangled and thrown out of the dressing room by their coach.

He sounds like my kinda guy.

Paul Tran
35 Posted 11/07/2014 at 12:27:55
Interesting, but as ever, let’s wait till he’s wearing the shirt, then let’s judge when he’s actually on the park..........
Phil Roberts
36 Posted 11/07/2014 at 12:41:41
Ferencvaros were in the 1st round of the Europa League but perhaps because of the World Cup and also him being sold to another team who are IN the Europa League (unlike West Ham and Swansea who both nearly were relegated last year) he was left out of their squad.

So ٠,5m plus Europe v ٢m and no glory. We are Everton. Woods and Earl have millions to spend - let’s offer ٦m

Andrew Ellams
37 Posted 11/07/2014 at 12:53:53
Phil, not sure his club will accept ٠.5m plus EL ahead of ٢m.
Christopher Wallace
38 Posted 11/07/2014 at 12:40:55
Robert

WhatÂ’s wrong with Besic and Ferencvaros?

Besic is a good young player with World Cup experience.

Ferencvaros have produced great players, like Gyorgy Sarosi (one of the greatest players of all time).

Every player has to start somewhere.

Phil Roberts
39 Posted 11/07/2014 at 14:00:26
1. My name is Phil

2. I never there was anything wrong - except Ferencvaros are not the feared team they were 40 years ago.

3. I was simply saying that being left out of the squad means he will not be cup-tied if he is sold and so therefore his sale is a probable reason to leave him out

4. Chris Smalling is a young player with World Cup experience - that is not a good reason to sign him. In fact I can’t think of a single reason I would want to sign him.

Christopher Wallace
40 Posted 11/07/2014 at 14:07:34
1. I was replying to Robert’s post at #6 (apologies for leaving out the number, but there is only one Robert in this thread).

2. Besic looks a tidy, energetic player. He looks comfortable on the ball and likes to get stuck into a tackle.

3. People go on about signing these "hidden gems" for nominal fees. I agree that this is a great business plan, albeit a lot more difficult than some realise. I’m not saying Besic is going to a world beater but, he certainly appears to possess the tools to be a solid acquisition, good squad player, and one for the future (and Europa League).

Andrew Oxton
41 Posted 11/07/2014 at 14:25:18
This transfer would be fantastic! Besic was very good at the world cup. He was the one player I hoped RM was looking at. He is a very competitive player, has a bit of the devil about him, likes to get stuck in and never stops running. We need this to happen in my opinion.
Eugene Kearney
42 Posted 11/07/2014 at 18:19:06
Have just seen (on News Now) that this is a done deal.....waiting for TW to confirm!
Colin Glassar
43 Posted 11/07/2014 at 18:22:02
You beat me to it Eugene. A few sites are now saying this is a done deal. The kidÂ’s German opted to play for Bosnia. He has a reputation but hopefully heÂ’s calmed down now.
Sam Hoare
44 Posted 11/07/2014 at 18:29:26
Not yet been reported anywhere that reputable yet that IÂ’ve seen. DonÂ’t go out and get your Besic shirts just yet!

Hope itÂ’s true though, young talented player who us probably as good as if not better than Rodwell and will cost half the price.

Eugene Kearney
45 Posted 11/07/2014 at 18:35:10
Reputation, Colin? Yeah, I read that when this rumour first started a couple of days ago. If he really is coming, I hope heÂ’s a bit better behaved than Drenthe was!!!!
Paul Andrews
46 Posted 11/07/2014 at 18:41:35
I don't mind a player with a nasty streak in him. Usually the sign of a winner. Give me that type before a couldn't care nicey nicey attitude every time.

Classic example was Rooney.
When had was asked to tidy his act up he was half the player.

Clive Lewis
47 Posted 11/07/2014 at 18:52:00
Looks very average on YouTube – not worth ٢M.
Neil Adams
48 Posted 11/07/2014 at 18:58:40
Notice on the BBC gossip page it says "West Ham have offered...", "Arsenal in talks with..." and "Newcastle to buy..." etc etc, but also says that "Roberto Martinez of Everton has put in an offer for Muhamed Besic"... so I guess our manager is forking out for the player from his own back pocket rather than the club ponying up the cash!
Andrew Ellams
49 Posted 11/07/2014 at 19:03:19
Clive, how do you make a combative, defensive midfielder look good on YouTube?

Trust me this guy is a steal at ٢million

Christopher Wallace
50 Posted 11/07/2014 at 19:24:47
Clive 725

I hope that's a tongue-in-cheek comment.

If not, on behalf of ToffeeWeb, thanks for that insight and wonderful analysis of the player!

Is it too late to petition the board and stop this ridiculous transfer? Would they even listen?

Anto Byrne
51 Posted 11/07/2014 at 21:56:47
With the lying cheating diving racist biting pig now departed, what odds are there on Delboy returning?
Craig Fletcher
53 Posted 12/07/2014 at 01:23:18
Fantastic young signing. I hope we get him.

Now that we’ve good Muhamed, let’s go and get Victor Moses and Jesus Navas. It’ll be the new Holy Trinity.

Tim Greeley
54 Posted 12/07/2014 at 01:20:52
The Colombian has cooler hair but the Germano-Bosnian is 7 years younger. Advantage... Besic!
Simon Hermansen
55 Posted 12/07/2014 at 08:18:38
Nice one, Craig.

I know it's a much lower quality league he plays in but YouTube highlights show some silky touches and a decent free kick on him.

Mike Keating
56 Posted 12/07/2014 at 12:13:59
Cheshire Today, no less, say he has been snapped up for ٢m.
Kevin Tully
57 Posted 12/07/2014 at 13:49:28
If this article is anything to go by, we are hopefully going to close this one:

Link

Mark Tanton
58 Posted 12/07/2014 at 13:58:05
Seems quite quickly tied up, but then you realise we probably spotted him at the last World Cup.
Jamie Crowley
59 Posted 12/07/2014 at 14:08:11
After reading Tully's link, I hope we sign this kid.

Very complimentary article; if it is even remotely on the mark, we will do well to nail this kid down.

Mike Green
60 Posted 12/07/2014 at 14:34:14
Blimey, Kevin, was that written by his agent? What a write-up! :)
Trevor Lynes
61 Posted 12/07/2014 at 14:54:58
I see that Stoke are hoping to sign Bojan from Barcelona on loan. This lad has played over 100 games for Barça and I wonder why we did not go for him? He is only young and is a decent attacking player. Surely with Roberto's connections we should be in for him.
Matthew Roberts
62 Posted 12/07/2014 at 15:08:24
Going by a short YouTube clip, your guys’ comments and Kevin’s Link, this could be our best signing this year! It would make me feel comfortable with our CM options at least, with Gibson back. Anyone who knows this kid, is he good enough to be a starter next season?
Sam Hoare
63 Posted 12/07/2014 at 15:15:07
No confirmation of this yet suggests it may all be guff. Hopefully not as if we get him and he proves half as good as some people reckon then we are very well covered in centre mid for the next decade or so...
Andy Finigan
64 Posted 12/07/2014 at 15:44:13
After seeing the video, Kevin, I will be peed of if this is a wind-up. Can you imagine what a pairing him and McCarthy will be? I think he has the lot: passing, tackling...
Kevin Tully
65 Posted 12/07/2014 at 17:07:35
Reminds me of a young crease-head in that video, lads... and, as much as we dislike him, heÂ’s some player.

Mike Powell
66 Posted 12/07/2014 at 17:08:39
Don’t believe anything they say in the Mail — they have not got one right yet!
Patrick Murphy
67 Posted 12/07/2014 at 17:13:15
I hope he has non-slip footwear, Kevin.
Andrew Ellams
68 Posted 12/07/2014 at 17:15:01
He was a good player, Kevin. The king is dead; long live the king (if we get him).
James Elworthy
69 Posted 12/07/2014 at 17:15:34
Until the official site confirms it, I donÂ’t believe anything anymore. I donÂ’t believe anything in trash rags like the Mail and the Mirror.
A great signing to strengthen the depth of the squad, as Gibson is likely to be injured again before to long.

We need that one quality signing: Lukaku or Bony please – our depth upfront is alarming! Let’s hope Roberto gets tightwad Bill to cough up the dosh for Big Rom and with Traore on loan and Kone fit – plus youngsters like Long and McAleny. Then we will have some depth.

What happened regarding Galloway? We havenÂ’t heard a word about him training in Austria. Everton are more secretive than the KGB.

John Malone
70 Posted 12/07/2014 at 17:27:37
Had to laugh at Chris Wallace wiping the floor with Phil Roberts in the above thread – great stuff!!

Must pay attention to detail, Phil, the whole world doesnÂ’t revolve around you and your opinions!

I hope this rumour does come to fruition. Bosnia looked a half-decent team with some better-than-average individuals. Wolfsburg had to buy Dzeko off someone; now heÂ’s considered a top-class striker... Why canÂ’t this lad make the grade?

Kevin Tully
71 Posted 12/07/2014 at 17:58:59
Just waiting to see if Jim WhiteÂ’s kecks explode on Sky if this is announced. Then we know itÂ’s for real.
Sam Hoare
72 Posted 12/07/2014 at 18:39:45
"But the indications now are that the 21-year-old midfielderÂ’s transfer to Goodison is close to completion."

What are these indications? I have not read anything on it anywhere reputable... but I hope itÂ’s true anyway.

Colin Glassar
73 Posted 12/07/2014 at 18:49:44
James #70, the OÂ’S usually confirms a transfer deal at least 72 hours after the fact. I prefer to trust SSN and Vinnie OÂ’Connor.
Paul Ferry
74 Posted 12/07/2014 at 18:58:27
Anyone on here remember the tiresome rants from Darren Hind over and over and over fecking again about how on World Cup watch Bobby had scandalously abrogated his duties to us and had put us behind weeks in the window!

’Before the World Cup started, Roberto Martinez – in one of his television roles – spoke about the competition and the scouting opportunity it presented for clubs. He was right, of course, because the tournament is essentially a big shop window of global talent.

Less than a month after that interview, Martinez is poised to add Bosnian holding-midfielder Muhamed Besic to his Everton squad for a paltry ٢m. You can almost imagine the Spaniard sitting through the first half of Argentina against Bosnia, excusing himself at the interval, and getting straight on the phone to Bill Kenwright.

Like many people – myself included – he probably fell for Besic at first sight and recognised him as being a perfect-fit for the style of football he’s preaching at Goodison Park.

Bill Gall
75 Posted 12/07/2014 at 19:03:54
The comments on here are showing that most of the supporters think this would be a good signing except for the person that matters – Bill Kenwright. For all the people who were expecting big money signings, the attitude that appears to be coming out of the club is to think cheap.

After watching this player in the World Cup and taking in his age the fee of ٢m does not seem overly expensive so I take it that Mr Martinez is going to prefer as he states young players at the club. Mediocre players no longer come cheap and the fee that is quoted to me seems a bargain for this player with his experience and ability over our younger players.

James Stewart
76 Posted 12/07/2014 at 19:30:02
Need to get this one over the line... great bit of business!
Robert Collins
77 Posted 12/07/2014 at 20:15:59
Christopher Wallace @ 39

Have a read of what Gergo Acs says in post 31?

He kind of backs up my lack of excitement and he watches the bloke regularly.

Paul Andrews
78 Posted 12/07/2014 at 20:25:26
What players would you look to sign Robert?
Robert Collins
79 Posted 12/07/2014 at 20:27:29
Actually after posting, I had a look on YouTube at him.

This opinion is based on looking at one 2-min clip of the Mexico game. HeÂ’s a mixed bag, he looks alive thatÂ’s for sure and has good movement and awareness when not pressured and also found some good passes.

Under pressure, though, he can be forced in mistakes; in the clip he was on the edge of his own box and passed the ball right across it nearly giving away possession (thatÂ’s a no-no).

The Premier League is very fast-paced, heÂ’s going to need a gentle introduction by Roberto.

He looks so much like another McCarthy type player, IÂ’m curious about this one?

At ٠.5m heÂ’s probably worth a punt (if he is that cheap).

Robert Collins
80 Posted 12/07/2014 at 20:39:20
Paul Andrews @ 79

What players would I buy?

Messi, Schweinsteiger, Kompany, Vlaar, James Rodriguez, Neymar, Kroos, Schurle, Muller, Lavetzi, Hazard and Aguero.

But not Lukaku!

Paul Andrews
81 Posted 12/07/2014 at 20:48:38
No alternative list to the transfer targets mentioned then.

ItÂ’s a simple equation.You trust Roberto.

Colin Glassar
82 Posted 12/07/2014 at 23:09:26
Tony Barrett tweeting that itÂ’s almost a done deal.
Ant Dwyer
84 Posted 13/07/2014 at 01:07:59
Yeah Colin (83) IÂ’ve seen that!

Gotta trust Bobby seeing a few tasty attributes in his game. Must say I watched a 4-min clip v Nigeria and his passing looked crisp, although he had a tendency to fly into tackles in a few dangerous areas... but, hey, thatÂ’s something we can work on ironing out.
Get him in and roll on signing Number 3!

Robert Collins
85 Posted 13/07/2014 at 01:10:54
Paul Andrews @ 82

Do any of us have any choice?

WeÂ’re in RobertoÂ’s hands and heÂ’s in chairmanÂ’s!

Darren Hind
86 Posted 13/07/2014 at 10:24:54
Paul Ferry

A quaint little notion youÂ’ve got going on there fella, but let me assure you that Martinez did not excuse himself at HT and get straight on the phone to Kenwright. He stayed and fulfilled his obligation to ESPN, thus earning the money they were paying him. The notion that Martinez HAD to be working for a TV company in order to do a bit of scouting is frankly ridiculous.

Managers from all over the world were able to watch the games without the distraction of having to work. Perhaps if he wasnÂ’t working for somebody else at the time, this deal would have already happened before other clubs were able to declare their interest. Who Knows?

One thing we can say with some degree of certainty is that Robbies moonlighting certainly didnÂ’t speed thing up. Martinez can do everything in his power to make up for those two weeks, but he canÂ’t get them back.

Anyway, heÂ’s back behind his desk now, we are doing business, so this "tiresome" argument should be done, confined to the past. Not sure what point you are trying to make by resurrecting it.

Oh and BTW, Besic is an international playing for one of HungaryÂ’s top sides... do you really believe he wasnÂ’t already on Robbies radar? That he would be dumb enough to blow a big percentage of his kitty on a player he has only just come across?

Paul Smith
87 Posted 13/07/2014 at 12:27:51
CanÂ’t find any info re: if this is spurious or not? One thing: Tony Barrett has no mention of it.
Jim Knightley
88 Posted 13/07/2014 at 12:20:47
Whilst Premier League clubs may have wide scouting networks, I do not believe that we were paying Besic attention until this World Cup. If we were, we could have brought him beforehand for less.

ItÂ’s incredibly obvious that managers do buy based on World Cup/European Championship performances, whether rightly or wrongly. Would Valencia have gone to West Ham for ٦-12M before the World Cup? Of course not. Would Ozil have gone to Real when he did? Probably not. Drenthe got a move to Real in 2007 because of the European Under-21 tournament. (He was fantastic btw... I watched him and hoped heÂ’d come to Everton. He eventually did of course, but had not got any better.)

With respect to Martinez representing ESPN: ItÂ’s hardly ideal for us. That is time spent by him at the World Cup, when he could be working on targets for next year. That said, it has to be put in perspective. Managers do not primarily scout players, nor do they usually negotiate with teams (although they will/should with the player).

The ridiculousness of the Wenger bench pictures illustrates the absurd caricature of football transfer business which the press looks to pedal to the fans which it suits their agenda: Wenger, on a beach, isnÂ’t working hard enough: Arsenal have brought no-one because Wenger is on a beach: Wenger holidays whilst title rivals improve their squad. The subsequent transfer of Sanchez (an incredible buy) who is soon to be joined by Debuchy and possibly Khedira illustrates the pointlessness of that ugly side of sensationalist journalism.

MartinezÂ’s situation is obviously different, and more extreme, because he has spent several weeks as a pundit. That said, there is more to transfer business than the coach, and his time spent at the Dutch training camp may well have been facilitated by his role with ESPN.

Managers also get time off to do what they want. He has worked for us the whole year, and will work for us again now, and the beginning of the summer is his. If our manager is going to take a month off from Everton business, IÂ’d rather he spend it working at the biggest International football tournament in the world, rather than on a remote beach somewhere.

Paul Andrews
89 Posted 13/07/2014 at 12:34:27
Darren,

You contradict yourself in the post above.

Andrew Ellams
90 Posted 13/07/2014 at 12:56:52
Tony Barrett tweeted about 2pm yesterday saying he believed it was almost a done deal.
Matt Traynor
91 Posted 13/07/2014 at 12:59:13
Jim #89, slightly tongue-in-cheek, can I add to your list:

- Would David Luiz have gone to PSG for 㿞m after the World Cup??

Colin Glassar
92 Posted 13/07/2014 at 12:58:11
ItÂ’s a done deal by all accounts. Agreed ٠.5M plus ٟ.5M with add ons. The kid must be on about €4,000 a month with Ferencvaros so I canÂ’t see personal terms being a problem even for Billy Boy.
John Crawley
94 Posted 13/07/2014 at 13:17:28
Jim - Martinez stated on ESPN that heÂ’s been following Besic since he was 17. Moyes said the same about Fellaini, i.e. heÂ’d been keeping an eye on him and his displays against Liverpool had persuaded him that he was ready to play in the Premier League. ItÂ’s a matter of timing; heÂ’s proved he can play at a high level, other clubs had already come in for him, weÂ’ve stepped in to (hopefully) secure his signature.

As IÂ’ve said before, Everton have got a very sophisticated method and team for tracking players from around the world; they wonÂ’t have just been watching him at this World Cup.

Peter Bell
95 Posted 13/07/2014 at 13:29:38

James @95
"Everton have got a very sophisticated method and team for tracking players from around the world."

Didn’t work very well for the Krøldrup & Bilyaletdinov signings then.
Darren Hind
96 Posted 13/07/2014 at 13:29:17
Jim

MartinezÂ’s knowledge of players even down the lower leagues is well documented. If youÂ’re making a living playing the game, Robbie will be aware of you.

Besic is an international, mate, there is absolutely no way he would have gotten under our bossÂ’s radar.

Lots of people (me included) would have been watching Besic for the first time – not Martinez.

I suspect when Martinez was watching players, he was looking for confirmation of what he already knew. It’s not enough to know the guy has talent – you need to know he can do it against the best

Kevin Tully
97 Posted 13/07/2014 at 13:55:05
Martinez, June 3rd - "We’ve identified the players, weâ’ve identified the targets and now it’s about making sure we can get them to join our football club," he stressed.

"It’s very much an important period, but it’s not one where we need to panic. We don’t have to make decisions just to bring numbers into the club."

Martinez insisted that the players he has targeted must be able to fit into the ’special’ squad spirit he has fostered at the club – and that players would not be targeted simply to bolster numbers.

"Recruitment is vital," he added. "It’s one of those moments of the season where you recollect the good work you’ve done over the last two windows.

"The recruitment department have been working tirelessly to get the reports and to highlight the targets and players that are going to fit in our football club. You can imagine itÂ’s a long process."

Maybe... just maybe the manager knew who he wanted before the World Cup? Nah – that would drive a massive fucking tank through all the shite being spouted on here, so he was clearly just bluffing.

Raymond Fox
98 Posted 13/07/2014 at 13:06:58
If it is a done deal, as Colin has seen reported, does it not make you wonder why we have got him so cheaply in this era of crazy prices?

I would have thought that if he is as decent as the general opinion of him seems to be, there would more completion for his signature, plus his club could have cashed in some more!

Maybe our silver tongued manager has worked his magic on him, or maybe they just want shut quick!

Colin Glassar
99 Posted 13/07/2014 at 14:26:24
Raymond,

Besic plays for Ferencvaros in the Hungarian league so heÂ’s not on big money to say the least. He had a buyout clause which we have met plus a few added sweeteners.

My son was backpacking in Bosnia a few weeks ago and made quite a few friends over there. ItÂ’s these guys who are telling him itÂ’s being reported on Bosnian TV, and in the press, that all parties have agreed to the deal. Expect him at FF next week for his medical.

Nigel Gregson
100 Posted 13/07/2014 at 14:22:57
IÂ’m a bit concerned that, despite all the reports, heÂ’s still not been officially announced (or indeed reported in more mainstream media outlets).

For the record, I like the look of him. That cultured defensive midfielder is the lynchpin role in RobertoÂ’s tactical setup. The more cover we have there, the better. We desperately missed Barry last year whenever he was unavailable.

Raymond Fox
101 Posted 13/07/2014 at 14:34:27
Thanks Colin, that news about the buy-out clause puts it in a better light. It does seem that thereÂ’s an excellent chance he will be in our squad this season from what you say.
Shane Corcoran
102 Posted 13/07/2014 at 14:52:54
Colin, where do you get your information? You seem very confident in this one, especially the finer details of the move.
Matthew Roberts
103 Posted 13/07/2014 at 14:54:43
Just a touch worried that it seems to have been a long time since we were "closing in" on this kid and still nothing on Sky or BBC. Hope this deal is real.
James Morgan
104 Posted 13/07/2014 at 15:01:29
Seems more likely due to his current club getting Zoltan Gera as a replacement.
Colin Glassar
105 Posted 13/07/2014 at 15:02:25
Shane, like I said earlier, Bosnian friends of my son are saying its being reported in the Bosnian media that all parties (including the player) have agreed to the deal.
John Crawley
106 Posted 13/07/2014 at 15:24:48
Peter (#96), itÂ’s easy to be sceptical but you should check out Michael CalvinÂ’s book on modern-day scouting. ThereÂ’s a chapter in it devoted to Everton. You can read an excerpt here: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/scouting-system-that-reveals-david-Moyes-mind-8756011.html
Shane Corcoran
107 Posted 13/07/2014 at 15:28:50
Colin, wouldnÂ’t there be a chance that there is a Daily Mail equivalent in Bosnia?
Colin Glassar
108 Posted 13/07/2014 at 15:41:31
More than likely, Shane. A few dubious sites are reporting this but nothing Â’mainstreamÂ’ yet.
Jamie Crowley
109 Posted 13/07/2014 at 15:55:44
Colin / whomever -

Can you suggest a few folks to follow on Twitter? Possibly list their Twitter handles? Only the "reputable" ones please...

Leslie Wee
110 Posted 13/07/2014 at 16:14:21
Jamie,

See https://twitter.com/BH_Dragons - itÂ’s the most legitimate Twitter source that I have come across so far.

Colin Glassar
111 Posted 13/07/2014 at 16:26:24
Jamie I follow Guillem Balague, Greg OÂ’Keefe, Phil McNulty, SSN, Vinnie OÂ’Connor amongst others. Just Google their names and add Twitter to it. It will give you their Twitter account details to follow them.
Paul Smith
112 Posted 13/07/2014 at 16:49:53
Colin, I donÂ’t think any of them you mention have this prospective transfer down as a done deal.

However, @BH_Dragons does. Guess we will probably find out the truth tomorrow.

Aidy Dews
113 Posted 13/07/2014 at 16:57:51
I got told we were signing Besic before the weekend but then it turns out the necessary paperwork to finalise the deal hadnÂ’t come through (?) and then I got told he will sign Monday.

The bloke who told me is reliable and then, after he told me, the likes of Tony Barrett, Alan Nixon and Tony Scott were saying itÂ’s very close. Even Tony Scott, who freelances for the Echo, basically said it was done and posted a pic on Twitter of Besic with Â’Welcome to EvertonÂ’ underneath it a day or two later.

Sam Hoare
114 Posted 13/07/2014 at 19:26:51
I did not realise how rapid this lad was. Clocked at same top speed in the World Cup as Ronaldo and faster than Robben!

Fingers crossed he develops well and with him, McCarthy and Barkley in the central spots we will have a technically gifted, very athletic midfield trio for years to come. Exciting stuff!

Trevor Lynes
115 Posted 13/07/2014 at 23:27:24
We are also reported to be after Kramer the kid who replaced Khedira in the final. Unfortunately he got a head injury after half an hour and had to be subbed. I hope we are seriously after the lad as he would be a much better acquisition than Rodwell unless Rodders is coming on loan.

If we got them both it would be two characters from TV comedies... Rodders out of Only Fools etc and Kramer is in Seinfeld. LetÂ’s just hope that we collect a few fresh faces who are of use and not just bench fodder who just make up the numbers.

Colin Glassar
116 Posted 14/07/2014 at 00:01:32
I might end up with egg all over my face but IÂ’ve been told it will be announced tomorrow.
Sam Hoare
118 Posted 14/07/2014 at 09:01:25
Hope youÂ’re right Colin. Seems to be alot of people who agree with you who are in the know but no guarantees that Spurs wonÂ’t jump in with a last minute better offer!
Jim Knightley
119 Posted 14/07/2014 at 11:31:15
Darren...Martinez is not going to be Â’awareÂ’ of every international football is he? Scouts concentrate on areas, not the entire world, and wouldnÂ’t you agree that numerous post-world cup signings have illustrated that the world cup, and the world cup alone, brings certain players into the limelight, and secures moves which would not have happened otherwise? I do not know if this is the case with Besic, but IÂ’ve never read a report stating that an Everton scout has been watching him, or been seen in attendance at one of his matches. Therefore, I do not know what Â’awareÂ’ constitutes? aware that he exists? aware via video clips? or has anyone associated with the scouting network, or Martinez personally, seen him play pre-world cup? And if so, why are we waiting until he has played to bid for him?

For all the comments on here about scouting, and the copied quotes re. our scouting network, I think itÂ’s also important to acknowledge that scouting is not a science, and that we have limited means. How many of our potential signings do you think our management/scouting network has seen play in person for their clubs? and how many times have they seen them play in person?

I think itÂ’s good at this juncture to finish by talking about Bebe. Ferguson signed him for over 7million having never seen him play in real life or in video, because of Â’personalÂ’ recommendation. At that point despite securing a move to Vitoria De Guimaraes on a free a few months early, Bebe had only played for a lower divison team in Portugal (he had therefore never played in a top flight match). The example is an extreme one, but it illustrates that even the Â’biggestÂ’ club in England sometimes acts in a manner which the large majority of schoolboys would condone. Maybe Martinez has seen Besic play before the World Cup, maybe he hasnÂ’t. Maybe we would have signed him if there had not been a World Cup, and maybe we would not have (And still wonÂ’t?). I think though that both circumstances, and binaries, are possible, as a brief look back at football history demonstrates.

Andrew Hawes
120 Posted 14/07/2014 at 11:32:51
A ٢ million signing from a second-rate team in the Turkish league?? Sorry, it doesnÂ’t fill me with excitement. Yes, heÂ’s an international... but so is Jo, Heitinga and Jelavic??

We need the 4 signings we are apparently going to make, to be top quality players that take our first 11 up to the next level. This attitude of "LetÂ’s get the numbers in, he will bolster our squad," is frankly a waste of time.

Towards the end of last season, we managed to clear out a lot of dead wood that had nothing to offer us, so I hope we are not going to bring in more just for the sake of numbers?

Andrew Ellams
121 Posted 14/07/2014 at 15:34:56
Andrew Hawes, do you know anything about this guy apart from not knowing which countryÂ’s league he currently plays in?
Kevin Gillen
122 Posted 14/07/2014 at 16:00:18
Saw a really promising young player in the world cup winning squad Shkodran Mustafi - is he available?
Kevin Day
124 Posted 14/07/2014 at 18:22:42
The longer the silence goes on about this transfer, the more likely itÂ’s either bollocks or it hit a snag. Either way, itÂ’s just a big reminder to self to never get excited until anything, ever, is signed sealed and delivered.
Colin Glassar
125 Posted 14/07/2014 at 18:42:34
Bill is probably refusing to pay for his flight to Liverpool for his medical. IÂ’m really surprised this has gone cold but, like the Barry deal it could be announced at any minute.... or not. This is Everton after all.
Ian Glassey
126 Posted 14/07/2014 at 18:55:00
This is not going to happen.
Mark Tanton
127 Posted 14/07/2014 at 18:58:20
We move at a ridiculously slow pace. WeÂ’ll all be on here squabbling on deadline day - I think thatÂ’s the only certainty.
Colin Glassar
128 Posted 14/07/2014 at 19:02:33
ThatÂ’s true, Mark. Ian, every summer itÂ’s the same anguish while we look on in envy at the rest spending madly although tbh a lot of them are hit and miss.
Kevin Day
129 Posted 14/07/2014 at 19:59:56
I remember a few months back when the admin team asked us posters to give an input on how to improve the site. Mine was to have a "like" button on someoneÂ’s posts. Well, the last few posts would of had a "like" from me.
Kieran Riding
130 Posted 14/07/2014 at 21:03:10
Welcome to Everton.
Trevor Lynes
131 Posted 14/07/2014 at 21:18:41
We have now been close to signing Besic for at least a week and in the meantime other clubs in the Premier League have spent a combined total of 𧷤 million and rising by the hour.

BK and his cohorts will provide adequate excuses why we have not bought anyone of note very shortly. For example, work permit issues, medical problems and possibly the onset of Ramadan. We never move quickly and sometimes I almost wish we had Â’Arry the barrow boy RedknappÂ’ as our negotiator.

We are stuck with Ebenezer Elstone who can hear 50 pence pieces dropped in sand at ten paces.

Colin Glassar
132 Posted 14/07/2014 at 21:48:27
The Daily Express is hinting at possible problems. Are Ferencvaros, or the player, holding out for a better deal? God, why do we have to suffer so much?
Kieran Riding
133 Posted 14/07/2014 at 22:00:02
Colin. In. The. Bag.
Mark Tanton
135 Posted 14/07/2014 at 22:20:54
Simply no such thing as a smooth transfer with Everton. It really is embarrassing and infuriating.
Clive Rogers
136 Posted 14/07/2014 at 22:28:31
Bungling Bill strikes again. Every one of our deals seems to run into trouble and I blame it on Kenwright haggling down to the last penny. Even the signing of Barry ran into trouble at the last minute. No wonder this idiot canÂ’t sort out a ground move in 20 years.
Lyndon Lloyd
137 Posted 14/07/2014 at 23:06:46
ItÂ’s important to put the Daily ExpressÂ’s laughable report in context.

They havenÂ’t actually offered any insight into the Besic situation at all (yet they want us to believe that Spurs head the queue in front of Chelsea for John Stones). All theyÂ’ve done is base an entire report about a potential transfer on the reactions of Evertonians moaning on Twitter about the fact that the move for Besic hasnÂ’t been completed in a timeframe almost entirely established on Twitter by unsubstantiated tweets.

Nothing has been bungled. The transfer is probably taking its normal course but everyoneÂ’s getting their knickers in a twist because a Bosnian football account on Twitter said the deal would be announced today and then someone claiming to be from BT Sport tweeted that heÂ’s undergoing a medical tomorrow.

If itÂ’s going to happen, itÂ’ll happen when it happens...

Kevin Day
138 Posted 14/07/2014 at 23:16:29
Just a suggestion, and this is coming from someone who has been on ToffeeWeb for 4 years now, report on actual news Lyndon, because, love me or hate me, IÂ’ve had enough of logging on here every 30 minutes of each day to see real news, just to see the same shite. Unless itÂ’s on SSN, donÂ’t bother.
Mike Corcoran
139 Posted 14/07/2014 at 23:41:38
Martinez acquitting himself as the wisest voice bar none in football is surely worth itÂ’s weight in player persuasion.
Lyndon Lloyd
140 Posted 14/07/2014 at 23:52:48
Kevin (139), if youÂ’ve been on TW for 4 years you should know our modus operandi by now.

The Rumour Mill is where the unsubstantiated nonsense in the red-tops and their online equivalents (talkSPORT, etc) goes.

Even then, we have a limit that excludes the likes of CaughtOffside, most stories from the Sunday People and some from the Express, Metro, etc).

We donÂ’t pretend -- and never have -- that anything in that section holds any water but, in this day and age where complete secrecy is almost impossible, transfer stories start somewhere and sometimes they start in the Rumour Mill. ItÂ’s our most popular page in terms of traffic behind the homepage so thereÂ’s an audience for it.

That way, if you only want actual news, you know how to avoid what isnÂ’t actual news.

Now, if we believe a story has any merit (and from what IÂ’ve heard, the Besic story does) or has enough media weight behind it, weÂ’ll post it to the main news section but always with a qualifier like "Reports:..." in the headline. I try to be as responsible as possible with this stuff so that our readers can trust us. WeÂ’re not after baiting links for traffic; we want you to come here for the right reasons.

Paul Smith
141 Posted 15/07/2014 at 00:12:19
Bravo, LL. CouldnÂ’t be simpler really.
James Marshall
142 Posted 15/07/2014 at 10:07:26
The Express say Â’confusion reignsÂ’. Really? Is anyone actually confused at all? Given that the only things weÂ’ve actually heard about this are from the papers anyway?

IÂ’m not confused at all. Besic has been mooted to sign for Sevilla, Everton, Spurs, you name it. If it happens... great; if not, then it just goes down as another player talked up by the media to keep us all logging on to their websites and taking up bandwidth fretting on fans sites.

I love it, what else are you going to do with the summer months without football now the World Cup is over? Watch cricket? I tried that, it was shit.

Andrew Ellams
143 Posted 15/07/2014 at 10:34:35
This is a weird story even by EvertonÂ’s standards. It was first reported as a possible in a national, then we have local journalists and TalkSport (I know) saying itÂ’s all but done but it just seems to have disappeared and Sky Sports never even seemed to have picked it up as a rumour. We can only live in hope...
Mike Keating
144 Posted 15/07/2014 at 11:19:26
Game, set and match to Lyndon.

I get frustrated by the nonsense peddled by lazy journos and meddling agents under the heading of ’rumours’ but do I come on for my daily fix? — Yes.

Is there a worse website for shovelling baseless garbage? — Yes... loads. Try Newsnow for starters (I visit them every day too).

I agree with James; cricket is not the antidote. Think IÂ’ll reach for my trusty Bayern Munich ECWC Semi-Final video

Jim Knightley
145 Posted 15/07/2014 at 11:27:50
I think part of the fun of being a football fan is the speculation and excitement over potential transfers. We can all speculate and give our opinion on who are worthy signings. Sometimes we talk bollocks, and sometimes real sense. There are shit rumours (such newspapers should be avoided) and good rumours (we all have specific sources we trust, and BBC is generally the most reliable).

Personally, IÂ’d be very disappointed if the best unofficial football website did not relay sensible rumours, and I check ToffeeWeb every morning/early afternoon to check who has been linked. This is where a lot of the fun is, especially during a summer window when we will surely have a record breaking spend (my fingers are crossed anyway).

Andrew Ellams
146 Posted 15/07/2014 at 11:53:42
I am actually quite passionate about cricket too, just a shame Lancashire and England are both doing their best to knacker my summer.
Dave Southword
147 Posted 15/07/2014 at 12:39:51
If I worked in IT at Everton and read this site, or GOT, or NSNO, I would arbitrarily take evertonfc.com down for half an hour this afternoon and watch the internet melt down.
Peter Laing
148 Posted 15/07/2014 at 12:59:20
Gentlemen, I give you one word: "Riquelme".
Lyndon Lloyd
149 Posted 15/07/2014 at 17:45:51
Jim (146): I think part of the fun of being a football fan is the speculation and excitement over potential transfers. We can all speculate and give our opinion on who are worthy signings.

Exactly, Jim. That’s why we have a section devoted to it. Those who want to speculate or discuss the merits of the mooted targets can do so; those who don’t can – and should! – avoid the Rumour Mill altogether.

Colin Glassar
150 Posted 15/07/2014 at 22:53:36
Peter, I have another one: Moutinho.
Kieran Riding
151 Posted 15/07/2014 at 23:36:13
With reference to the updated story here. It just shows how clueless the Echo are in relation to Everton right now.
YouÂ’re days behind.
John Malone
152 Posted 15/07/2014 at 23:18:05
Some people really are brand new, I admit it is hard not to get excited when a decent player is linked to Everton on any sort of internet rumour page but for GodÂ’s sake surely people are wise enough now to realise the majority of it is media hype bollox, designed to, as Lyndon said in an earlier post, create Â’trafficÂ’ on their websites.

I can’t get my head round the fact grown men still get sucked in and wound up by media bull that is the ’transfer window’; if our club is trying to sign a player, then they will or they won’t – no matter what the ’rumours’ say.

I preferred it when the way you got to find anything out was the local cab drivers, somebody in me arlÂ’ fellaÂ’s work knows someone at the training ground and the dinner time Echo and that was about the order of merit.

Now get your finger out, Roberto, and sign some boss players so we can win a derby and a trophy before World War Three!

Lyndon Lloyd
153 Posted 16/07/2014 at 00:51:05
Or maybe, Kieran (152), they elected not to say anything until the negotiations were far enough along to make the signing likely? If so – as John argues right after you – that’s to be commended.

The indications were last Friday that talkSPORT, in their desire to be first with confirmation of the story but not necessarily right, had jumped the gun. IÂ’d rather the Echo hold fire and reported news on which we can rely. Lord knows there are plenty of places we can find bollocks stories if we want them.


Paul Andrews
154 Posted 16/07/2014 at 06:27:15
A lot of posters have been impatient for signings. I understand that but we need to trust the manager. He will have a long list of players.

Plenty of time for Roberto to get the players he wants; if he starts signing them in the next couple of weeks, that will do me.

Andrew Clare
155 Posted 16/07/2014 at 08:12:18
John Malone, you are so right: we need Â’boss playersÂ’ players who can run the show. That is the one thing that this Everton team lacks and it is the one thing that changes a team from also-rans to Champions.
Tony Abrahams
156 Posted 16/07/2014 at 08:08:44
I agree, Lyndon especially when a manager is getting criticised for working at The World Cup! Got a man who eats, sleeps and lives football and, by working for the telly, gets a free pass to go and watch the best teams train.

The manager was back in time for pre-season training so whatÂ’s he getting stick for, Darren? Signing players on other peopleÂ’s say so?

Where would you want our manager to be during the summer? Home, beach, Finch Farm or working at The World Cup? Come on, mate, criticise by all means, but stop and think before the contradictions start.

Rob Baker
157 Posted 16/07/2014 at 08:33:21
Like a Schweinsteiger!
Matt Traynor
158 Posted 16/07/2014 at 08:41:41
Tony #157 – "and by working for the telly gets a free pass to go and watch the best teams train." — Until he loses his accreditation for lending it to someone else!

(Easy mistake to make, done it meself... albeit at a Golf tournament, not football!)

Gary Edwards
159 Posted 16/07/2014 at 09:03:27
We could certainly do with a bit more bite in midfield as there were times towards the back end of the season where we got bullied / out-muscled; Palace at home comes to mind. Relentless work horses in the middle wearing teams down whilst our talent does its thing seems like a good strategy to me. Surprised MedelÂ’s name has not been mentioned more.
Paul Andrews
160 Posted 16/07/2014 at 09:23:38
Tony Abrahams,

That is a good point you make. Most other managers took a break from football and sat on a beach. Or at baseball games in USA, like Brendan.

Our Roberto was hands on at the World Cup.

Mike Allison
161 Posted 16/07/2014 at 09:31:48
James Marshall, how dare you.

If you didnÂ’t like cricket, itÂ’s because you didnÂ’t fully understand or appreciate it. Tut tut.

James Marshall
162 Posted 16/07/2014 at 09:50:54
Mike - IÂ’m actually a big cricket fan as it goes. That was a veiled dig at the ECB and the ground staff for the last test, who prepared a shocking pitch designed purely to fill a dull 5 day test match, at 㿞 a ticket. A money-making exercise. They should be ashamed of themselves because itÂ’s pitches like that which are killing the 5-day game that I love.

I donÂ’t get it, surely the English groundsmen should be setting up a pitch to seam for the home team, given that our bowling attack is all about our seamers? Complete madness. ItÂ’s telling when Jimmy Anderson hits 81 in a record last wicket stand of 198!

Anyway, sorry to go off on one about cricket, IÂ’ll shut up now!

Colin Glassar
163 Posted 16/07/2014 at 09:59:22
ThereÂ’s going to be a massive clear out at OT when LVG arrives today. I think we should put in a 㿀M bid for Hernandez, Kagawa and Cleverly — that would add some real class and steel to our squad.
Tony Doran
164 Posted 16/07/2014 at 09:57:48
You can never be sure watching clips but hope this turns out a good one. We need a big squad but also at first 15 players who are very good. Then, because we are not as high profile as other clubs and canÂ’t afford the wages, we need another 7-8 players you would describe as squad players or fill-ins. The likes of Ozzy and Gibbo should now become the new Harper and Richardson of the 80s.
Eugene Ruane
165 Posted 16/07/2014 at 09:55:48
Sam Hoare (115) — "I did not realise how rapid this lad was. Clocked at same top speed in the World Cup as Ronaldo and faster than Robben!"

Anyone else look at Robben and think Â’how come the older he gets, the faster heÂ’s getting?Â’

Just an observation like.

[Folds arms, gives knowing look, winks, mumbles Â’Oh aye, deffoÂ’.]

Mike Keating
166 Posted 16/07/2014 at 10:03:45
Don’t shut up, James, I was quite enjoying it. Anyway, your last post illustrates a semantic point I was about to put to Mike – surely you can understand a game and NOT appreciate it. Darts is a great example although I am probably going to get lambasted now by all those who love it. Basketball’s another one... and what about golf?
Jermaine Jennings
168 Posted 16/07/2014 at 10:18:10
Just buy the lad FFS and get some more players before end of July! We need a settled squad before the first game and no last-minute Deadline Day deals!!!
Ernie Baywood
169 Posted 16/07/2014 at 10:21:06
Started reading the thread but itÂ’s a long one! Do we think this is a go-er?

Shows how desperate for a signing I am, as he actually stood out for me in the World Cup as a player I wasnÂ’t keen on.

Colin Glassar
170 Posted 16/07/2014 at 10:31:51
Done deal according to Greg OÂ’Keefe. He should sign in the next 48 hours.
Colin Glassar
171 Posted 16/07/2014 at 10:40:06
Tweeted about 10 minutes ago.
Jay Richo
172 Posted 16/07/2014 at 10:41:00
I remember this lad well from the Argentina game. He was the stand-out player on the pitch by far. He had Messi in his pocket all game; his reading of the game and his distribution was top class. I will be a very happy blue if this goes through.
Sam Hoare
173 Posted 16/07/2014 at 11:17:52
Still waiting....
Jim Knightley
174 Posted 16/07/2014 at 11:27:48
The defensive players will be sufficient with this deal I think, although IÂ’d like to see a younger cb come in. Now letÂ’s go buy some attacking ones!
Andrew Ellams
175 Posted 16/07/2014 at 11:32:37
Two strikers and left and right wide players needed now.

I see Norwich have rejected a ١.5M bid for Redmond from Stoke.

James Morgan
176 Posted 16/07/2014 at 11:20:55
The deal is off! Our medical team have found a scar on his knee from when he fell over as a kid in the playground. ItÂ’ll only be resurrected if we can pay them with some training cones and a yearÂ’s worth of Chang Soda.
Andrew Ellams
177 Posted 16/07/2014 at 11:48:41
Well, James, at least that explains why I never played for Everton.
Colin Glassar
178 Posted 16/07/2014 at 11:51:21
Not true, James. BK, whoÂ’s an amateur dentist in his spare time, thinks Besic might have a wisdom tooth so heÂ’s trying to get him for free. Tricky things those wisdom teeth.

Joking apart, lads, this WILL go through this week.

Phil Walling
179 Posted 16/07/2014 at 13:19:22
James, being injured has never stopped Roberto signing them – even on loan. They just spend their time back in their country of origin getting better and being announced as ’just like a new signing’ the following year.

ThatÂ’s if they are fit by then!

Tom Bowers
181 Posted 16/07/2014 at 13:26:32
Midfield is where the gameÂ’s are won or lost. Everton have not been able to compete in that area consistantly for many years and I wonÂ’t begin to point the finger at certain players who were not up to snuff.

However last season they showed signs of becoming a more forceful unit and with Barkley getting a full season under his belt and the World cup experience one can only hope this will translate into a terrific season coming up.

Injuries are always the key and of course having quality players to fill in is so important. Everton have the defensive side in McCarthy,Gibson and Barry with Oviedo later who can do a left sided job. Offensively they have Barklay and McGeady coupled with the bench experience of maybe Pienaar and Osman.

Certainly a young, talented quick lad like Besic would be a bonus.

James Marshall
184 Posted 16/07/2014 at 13:50:29
The World Cup only finished a few days ago; players are on holiday etc so have a little patience and try not to get too whipped up by the media/agent frenzy.

Perhaps try some yoga or a little meditation as well.

Jim Lloyd
185 Posted 16/07/2014 at 13:52:18
Well, itÂ’s a positive move getting Barry signed up and I think itÂ’s a positive move that weÂ’ve got Joe Royle helping look after the youngsters.

Just how many "crocks" did Robbie sign last season?

I can only remember Alcatraz being unfit. Kone was injured in a match, as was Traore. McCarthy was no crock, the lads he signed on loan were no crocks... so I think we ought to get things in perspective a bit here: Martinez doesnÂ’t sign crocks.

I hope we have got this lad. As well as looking a decent player, the body language he showed makes me think weÂ’ll have a player with a Tony Kay or Alan Ball attitude.

Paul Andrews
186 Posted 16/07/2014 at 14:00:21
"What have we got to be positive about?"

The way the manager has revitalised the club... the signing of Barry... the spirit that is obvious among the players... the record amount of points last season augurs well for this season. Etc etc.

In a few weeks, all will be well. Admittedly while we wonÂ’t be spending 㿊-40-50 million, i have complete trust in the manager to improve the team from last season.

Sam Hoare
187 Posted 16/07/2014 at 14:00:22
The strangest thing this pre-season is the lack of friendlies. Last pre-season, there was a host of mouth-watering matches, all available to watch on the OS, which seemed a good idea. Maybe they are still waiting to tie up certain games this season but seems quite late in the day.

As for the transfers, of course itÂ’s still quite early in the window but itÂ’s a shame to have only brought in one person for the start of pre-season training whilst having lost three. Getting in a good pre-season makes a big difference for a new player, I think, and early business would be preferable... but I guess thatÂ’s the nature of bargain hunting.

Paul Mackie
188 Posted 16/07/2014 at 14:02:31
Actually Jim, Traore was injured when he was signed (and then got injured again) and Kone was malnourished from Ramadan.
Andrew Ellams
189 Posted 16/07/2014 at 14:11:14
Malnourished? IÂ’m pretty sure KoneÂ’s injury had nothing to do with him fasting as that finished weeks before the injury.

The previous season Ramadan actually overlapped with the season and he managed OK then.

Andrew Ellams
190 Posted 16/07/2014 at 14:14:37
Sky Sports are reporting this now; we can all breathe more easily...
Jim Lloyd
191 Posted 16/07/2014 at 14:13:17
Yep youÂ’re spot-on, Paul, regarding Traore, IÂ’d forgotten about him being injured before we got him. Kone wasnÂ’t injured though, was he. Take your point about the effect of Ramadan but that will likely affect any Moslem we sign to some degree... but Â’malnourishedÂ’? They fast from Sunrise to Sunset but it doesnÂ’t stop them eating. I think what it did do though, was affect his ability to train until Ramadan was over. Interesting point that.

Anyway, is the young lad we hope to get a Moslem? I wonder how it does affect training generally for them. Still hope we get him though, he looks a good one.

Jamie Crowley
192 Posted 16/07/2014 at 14:34:53
Exactly the type of signing we need to be making.

Young, large upside, relatively inexpensive.

This type of signing along with our own players coming through and excellent team chemistry is how you compete with 𧵋 million a year sponsorship behemoths.

Make this official!

Patrick Murphy
193 Posted 16/07/2014 at 14:35:36
Sam,

It does seem strange the lack of friendlies – but perhaps that is the way Roberto works? In his last pre-season at Wigan, they played six matches and five the season before that.

Last yearÂ’s pre-season would have already been arranged prior to Roberto taking over but I would have thought that more games would be necessary to gain match sharpness for the upcoming season.

Raymond Fox
194 Posted 16/07/2014 at 15:23:40
Can we drop this Ramadan thingy, they donÂ’t fast for 24hrs, they can have as much food and drink as they like during the night time hours, so I cant see how it would affect anyoneÂ’s fitness to play football. Okay, its not ideal but they could get the same amount of nourishment.

I get the feeling listening to our esteemed leader, that he is a bit backward at coming forward with injury news though!

Jamie Barlow
196 Posted 16/07/2014 at 16:15:13
The fitness of Kone due to fasting shouldnÂ’t be a factor. IÂ’m pretty sure it finishes on the 28 July. Plenty of time to get fit.
Ray Said
197 Posted 16/07/2014 at 18:25:26
Jamie

Ramadan hasnÂ’t finished yet but it should not affect a player for months afterward like we heard occurred with Kone. I point out that all the Algerian and Iranian players were fasting during some part of the World Cup as were several French players (Benzema for one), Belgians like Hazard and Fellaini and Germans like Ozil and Khedira. LotÂ’s of Muslim players playing in the Premier League fast during Ramadan and still play high quality footy for their clubs.

Chad Schofield
203 Posted 16/07/2014 at 22:10:22
True Phil, but he looked pretty special during the World Cup!

I do really hope itÂ’s a goer... But by God itÂ’s ratlled on as a rumour.

Rob Halligan
205 Posted 16/07/2014 at 22:36:19
Phil W, I doubt many RS fans had heard of Emre Can before they signed him; I certainly hadnÂ’t, yet that are not moaning about him signing for them. Not many of us will know what Besic is like, and bar one or two World Cup games, will never have seen him play.

So, if and when we do sign him, we have to trust in Bobby M. I doubt many of us had heard of Deulofeu before last summer; if it hadnÂ’t been for his injury, I think he could have been one of our star players last season.

Raymond Fox
209 Posted 16/07/2014 at 23:17:01
Phil, I see youÂ’ve been at it again!

Come on admit it, you only post on here for a laugh.
I can just picture you pressing the submit button and smiling thinking thatÂ’ll wind the buggers up again.

I must admit you get me going sometimes, but you cant be for real, can you?
Or, it could be your a masochist who likes to get beaten over the head every time you pop your head over the parapet, which one is it?

I have to agree though, that talk of winning the league this season even though I am one our managers biggest fans as you well know, is bleeding barmy to me.

Tony Draper
211 Posted 16/07/2014 at 23:19:40
Why don't we let's see who we actually sign before we all turn cannibal? The signings made by other "topslice clubs" didn't significantly impede our progress last season did they?
Consider:
Spurs wasted the massive payday for Bale on a whole bunch of "desirables", but have had to swap managers twice since etc.
Brenda's girls spewed it and TBH I can't be arsed naming all their new purchases for last season that never got a grass stain. (Although I see that Aspas has been dispensed of, whilst Arse-Pass will retain thankfully their Craptains armband.)

Yet some perennial naysayers here reckon that:
Known quantity, Lukaku isn't good enough to splurge 㿀M+ on;
Kone is a waste of ٤M ('cos he got a serious injury which could have happened to ANY player) and is a Muslim who selfishly insists on observing Ramadan
Traore who picked up an injury warming up.

I'll remind us all that:
A young 'Keeper from Bury had 4 stuffed past him when he replaced the injured Jim Arnold and was absolutely bloody useless, thank god we only paid 𧵎k for the ex Winsford Utd Welsh disaster! Subsequently referred to by Howard Kendall as his best ever signing !

Keep yer powder dry!

The reason we post on fans forums after we come home from work is ...........'Cos Roberto Martinez DOES know what he's doing and most of us (especially the whiners) just know bugger all! TBH, there are some on here who no matter what Everton were to achieve in a single season would still manage to post something miserable.

Personally, I just detest phoneys. Phoney players, phoney managers, phoney refs. Just all phoneys!

Me Dad tells me what a terrific player Tony Kay was, IDGAF, he was a phoney.

Colin Glassar
212 Posted 17/07/2014 at 00:32:46
I'm not going to comment on this anymore until he has either signed or both parties have agreed to go there different ways. I'm still very confident he will sign.....eventually.
Kieran Riding
213 Posted 17/07/2014 at 00:58:22
Colin, it's done. Don't worry.
If the big lad signs up, we are bang in business here.
Peter Barry
214 Posted 17/07/2014 at 02:45:42
Jamie Barlow # 197 calling what Muslims do over Ramadan 'fasting' is stretching the truth a bit far. What they do is 'prior and delayed eating' they get up before dawn to gorge themselves then after sunset they gorge themselves again. Most Muslim countries have a problem with obesity after Ramadan as they over compensate in the pre dawn and post sunset eating and actually eat MORE than they normally would. There is also the question of course in the SUNRISE to SUNSET religious prohibition on eating I mean what sort of 'God' would not know that the world 'he' supposedly created does not have a uniform ration of daylight hours and that it can vary between 24 hours sunlight and 24 hour darkness.
David Ellis
215 Posted 17/07/2014 at 03:24:55
I had a look at the You Tube videos of Besic. Its hard to tell from the videos but it looks like his club play with 3 at the back and he is a very deep defensive midfielder. He looks very confident on the ball and brings it forward rapidly from the back. Distribution did not look that great, but it was n't really showcased. Seems to put in a few rash tackles which is a bit of a worry.
For Bosnia he seems to play slightly further forward.

Either way he is the sort of player we need. Even if he does not displace either of Barry or McCarthy from the first team it gives us cover in a position we had no cover for last season (which cost us in the end as they ran out of gas). And of course there is the extra 300 games with the Europa league

David Ellis
216 Posted 17/07/2014 at 03:32:23
Also as a Bosniak he is presumably also a Moslem - not that I care - but I mention it as fuel or the Ramadan worriers
Christopher Kelly
217 Posted 17/07/2014 at 03:45:16
IÂ’m sure someone up there on the chain said this but why do we take weeks to sign guys???

Liverpool could easily come in with a ٢.5M offer just to fuck with us.... It makes you want to rip your hair out.

Eric Myles
218 Posted 17/07/2014 at 06:09:34
David #217, with his first name being Muhamed there’s no need to presume.
Jamie Barlow
219 Posted 17/07/2014 at 07:21:51
Paul, I don’t really care what it’s called or what they do. It doesn’t concern me. They do fast though, don’t they?

All I know is it finishes nearly a fortnight earlier than last year so he should have more time to get match fit, if this was the reason he wasn’t match fit. I doubt it though.

Paul Mackie
220 Posted 17/07/2014 at 09:01:01
Just to clarify, I have nothing against players observing Ramadan. I only mentioned it as the story at the time (or maybe it was just on here) was that he was being eased into pre-season ’due to Ramadan’. I found it odd at the time given that other Muslim players tend to manage just fine.
Kunal Desai
221 Posted 17/07/2014 at 09:05:52
In the grand scheme of things this is a small fee we are paying, why has this signing still not been completed yet? I cannot imagine how this club can finalise a deal for Lukaku if it so happens. Great club, shambles of a board!!
Andrew Ellams
222 Posted 17/07/2014 at 09:18:06
Kunal, isnÂ’t the hold-up down to a sell-on fee between Ferencvaros and Hamburg? ThereÂ’s not a lot our board can do about that unless they pay it themselves.
Trevor Lynes
223 Posted 17/07/2014 at 09:19:18
Ramadhan has nothing to do with it. Algeria had a decent side and many muslims play top level football all over the world. In fact during Ramadhan more food is eaten than normal but it is just after dusk.

The fact is; EVERY other team moves transfers far quicker than we do. Daily there is business being completed and some clubs have signed five and six players already. WE are unique in having regular difficulty with virtually every player we try to sign. This is no coincidence, boys!!

James Marshall
224 Posted 17/07/2014 at 09:55:17
Shall we all agree to drop the Kone/Ramadan thing on here now? YouÂ’re talking about old news, and the thread is meant to be about our anxiety at not signing a player none of us had heard of until two weeks ago. I fail to see how Ramadan had anything to do with Kone fucking his knee up anyway.

IÂ’m often hungry and my knees are fine.

Steve King
225 Posted 17/07/2014 at 10:20:00
James, I was once really hungry but ignored it and drank loads of beer instead. Next morning I woke up with a broken ankle!
Coincidence? I think not!!
Sam Hoare
226 Posted 17/07/2014 at 10:28:37
Think Newcastle have done some good transfer business this Summer so far. Colback was a solid start and I think De Jong and Cabella look very handy. Riviere seems like good business for just ٣m and could prove the next Remy. Not sure about Perez but 16 goasl in 34 games is pretty good for a 20yr old. Would not have minded any of those players coming to us for next season...
Colin Glassar
227 Posted 17/07/2014 at 10:40:59
I believe the delay is due to the fact that initially we agreed to a ٠.5m deal with ٟ.5m in add ons. When other teams started to sniff around the Hungarians now want all ٢m up front. ThatÂ’s what IÂ’ve been told anyway.
Andrew Ellams
228 Posted 17/07/2014 at 10:51:49
Colin I heard Hamburg want 10% of ٢m as part of their sell-on clause but Ferencvaros only want to pay 10% of the ٠.5m up-front fee. But what do we know.

If it is a dispute over 𧵎k holding up the deal then it is ludicrous in this day and age.

Tony J Williams
229 Posted 17/07/2014 at 11:21:12
Touche, Steve King.
Mark Tanton
230 Posted 17/07/2014 at 12:05:17
Colin I think the big guns of Norwich, Burnley & Fulham have got wind of him and put us in our place. WeÂ’re still counting out the coppers...
Eric Myles
231 Posted 17/07/2014 at 13:02:25
Jamie #220, no they donÂ’t fast, they just eat at different hours. ItÂ’s like being on night shift.
Jamie Barlow
232 Posted 17/07/2014 at 13:10:02
Nah, IÂ’m sure they fast.
Andrew Ellams
233 Posted 17/07/2014 at 13:36:13
During Ramadan, you are not allowed to eat or drink from dawn until dusk. So when it falls at this time of year you would eat an evening meal around 9:30-ish, maybe a bit later and then get up in the early hours for breakfast. ItÂ’s not unusual to eat at least the normal daily food amount if not more during this time so nobody is going to come out of it malnourished.

The biggest problem I have seen with a couple of colleagues this year and last is that they have been knackered from the early wake ups.

Patrick Murphy
234 Posted 17/07/2014 at 14:11:45
Not too difficult to find some information on the details. Quite what it has to do with the ability or injury-proneness of an Everton FC player IÂ’m not too sure but anyway here it is.

The fast (sawm) begins at dawn and ends at sunset. In addition to abstaining from eating and drinking, Muslims also increase restraint, such as abstaining from sexual relations and generally sinful speech and behavior. The act of fasting is said to redirect the heart away from worldly activities, its purpose being to cleanse the soul by freeing it from harmful impurities. Ramadan also teaches Muslims how to better practice self-discipline, self-control,[36] sacrifice, and empathy for those who are less fortunate; thus encouraging actions of generosity and compulsory charity.

James Marshall
235 Posted 17/07/2014 at 14:13:50
So, Muhamed Besic............
Mark Tanton
237 Posted 17/07/2014 at 14:35:12
So if the Besic signing takes this long - Lukaku should take...?
Paul Andrews
238 Posted 17/07/2014 at 14:42:48
ItÂ’s like being on the night shift.....

A proper multi culture persona Eric

Steve King
239 Posted 17/07/2014 at 14:37:42
IÂ’ve just been reminded of the following quote:

"The right characters need to come to the club. It is going to take until the last day of the window to finalise the squad. It is a World Cup year and things will get delayed and certain situations will be worth us waiting until the last second to see if they happen or not and that is something we are well in control of" - Roberto Martinez, 19th May.

Looks like our patience will continue to be tested until late on the 1st of September!!

Paul Andrews
240 Posted 17/07/2014 at 14:59:24
If we sign the right player at the last minute it is better than signing the player you are not 100% sure of.

If we trust him we should bear with him

Linda Morrison
241 Posted 17/07/2014 at 15:04:02
I think we will sign this player, according to papers today his club have agreed EvertonÂ’s ٢ million offer.

Guardian today mentioned that Chelsea are likely to want to keep Lukaku as they have lost 2 strikers, leaving only Torries as a spare.

I was very keen to have Lukaku but I donÂ’t think he will come now and realistically we would have been the last choice.
I think Roberto now needs to look elsewhere for at least 1 striker and have all in place ideally before kick off.

Too much to hope for I guess

Steve King
242 Posted 17/07/2014 at 15:10:56
Absolutely agree Paul. And I for one trust Roberto to get it right, whether its the last minute or early.

The frustration comes from the situation he is forced into by the clubÂ’s finances and miss-management at the boardroom level. Why are we the only regular top 10 club that has too deal this way? Every bloody year!!

Paul Andrews
243 Posted 17/07/2014 at 15:21:01
Steve,

You and I know that while we have the current inept chairman and board, any success we have will be in spite of them,not anything they will have contributed to.

Same old , same old mate

Lakovos Lasonidis
246 Posted 17/07/2014 at 15:31:40
http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=6164
Good business for them. I have faith in Martinez but not in Kenwright. 4-5 more signings would not be enough I think, we need more than that and that means money...at least 25 - 30 mil.

We should have that money from previous sales and TV income but I donÂ’t know...

Vellios to Lierse by the way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlA-JuRXyxk, easy league to bang in some goals.

Paul Andrews
247 Posted 17/07/2014 at 15:53:29
"Ba had agreed terms with Everton"

"Of course the financial details played a large part in securing the move"

So Ba agreed to sign for the Blues then we were gazumped by him ?

Better off without the standard of character shown there.

Kristian Boyce
248 Posted 17/07/2014 at 15:58:49
This Besic transfer feels like weÂ’re in a time machine, and Dithering Dave is back.
Phil Walling
249 Posted 17/07/2014 at 16:02:47
Paul. at most clubs, last minute signings are just that. Panic buys of players pushed by agents without any time to check character, motivation and proper fitness.

With Everton, I have always thought it a definite policy aimed at saving money on summer and early season wages. I donÂ’t blame Roberto just as I didnÂ’t blame Moyes. It suits BK for all his managers to be seen as ditherers, it really does!

Roll on 31 August !

Kris Boner
251 Posted 17/07/2014 at 16:58:07
Michu has just joined Napoli on Loan with view to buy and apparently Pablo Hernandez is on the way out as well... Not Martinez players? Cheap back-up...
Mark Tanton
252 Posted 17/07/2014 at 17:03:58
We sure do have a long list of players we "almost signed". I wonder how hard we actually try with some of these, and how we seem to get Â’pippedÂ’ to so many players every window.
Jay Harris
253 Posted 17/07/2014 at 17:31:06
Looks like the A,B and C list needs to become the A-Z list.

The "Everton way" seems to have become even more frustrating lately.

However the good news is SKy Bet still have us as odds on favourite to get Lukaku and apparently the club have developed a fitness plan in anticipation of him coming.

At least thatÂ’s one of the potential 6 or 7. Dont know where the hell the otherÂ’s are coming from or whether Lukaku will actually happen.

Kris Boner
254 Posted 17/07/2014 at 17:40:31
Looking through the odds for transfers:

Adel Taarabt 6-1
Andros Townsend 4-1
Jack Rodwell 7/4
James Milner 10-1
Theo Walcott 10-1
Victor Moses 5-1
Yeltsin Tejeda 8-1

A few wingers there, three centre-mids.

James Stewart
255 Posted 17/07/2014 at 17:56:45
48 hours has long gone. Must be problems or he would be holding up the shirt by now. It wouldnÂ’t surprise me if what Colin states is true. ٢M is peanuts in todayÂ’s market; we shouldnÂ’t be baulking at that.
Brian Williams
256 Posted 17/07/2014 at 18:05:07
Look, none of us know for sure who weÂ’re actually asking about or talking to so I donÂ’t know how itÂ’s possible for people to say "thereÂ’s another we missed out on" or something of the like.

Paper talk is just that. ItÂ’s filling column inches and time and time again people on here fall for the rumours and then slag everyone from the kitman to Kenwright.

Martinez has already said things will go to the last minutes of the transfer window so why all the gnashing of teeth? Jeez! IÂ’d hate to have some of you guys in my poker team!

Paul Andrews
257 Posted 17/07/2014 at 18:13:42
Brian,

You are wrong there. We have missed out on loads of transfer targets.

ItÂ’s in the Daily Star, so it must be correct.

Eric Myles
259 Posted 17/07/2014 at 18:24:01
Paul #239 & 240, I spent 15 years in Saudi with muslims including sunni, shiÂ’ite and druze; catholtics, protestants; hindus; buddhists; mormons; scientologists; copts; shintus and atheists from over 30 different countries so yes, youÂ’re correct about my multi cultural persona.
Michael Kenrick
260 Posted 17/07/2014 at 18:26:57
Paul,

Can you please name any of RobertoÂ’s transfer targets weÂ’ve missed out on? Just curious, like...

Paul Andrews
261 Posted 17/07/2014 at 18:30:37
Michael,

Please.
Not you as well.

An old saying.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit .........

Jamie Barlow
263 Posted 17/07/2014 at 18:37:47
The hold up on the Besic deal is that they want to put a picture of him in full kit on the Official Website but they canÂ’t find him a fuckin pair of SOCKS.

Useless!!

Kevin Tully
264 Posted 17/07/2014 at 18:58:15
Eric # 261 - I bet you they were all redshiteÂ’s as well!
Darren Hind
265 Posted 17/07/2014 at 18:46:03
I donÂ’t blame Roberto just as I didnt blame Moyes, it suits BK for all his managers to be seen ax ditheres, it really does!"

Not having one bit of that, being an arl cynic, IÂ’ve always believed that Kenwright buys loyalty from his managers, if he wanted a ditherer he could get one for a fraction of the cost.

Stupidity comes cheap, Complicity usually costs a little more

IÂ’m not saying it isnÂ’t this boards policy to buy late, but never once did Moyes complain about it and neither will Robbie

Wayne Smyth
266 Posted 17/07/2014 at 19:15:35
It baffles me that anyone can blame someone for something when they know so little about what is actually going on.
Anthony Flack
267 Posted 17/07/2014 at 19:17:46
Kevin 266 you beat me to that one. Laughed out loud.

Until the club announce something this is just rumour so not sure why there is such a lot traditional BK bashing....

Unless someone really knows what is happening then I shall enjoy some of the banter and the slightly odd view of Ramadan

I do have one question though. Eric what happens if the Muslim works nights?

Rob Halligan
268 Posted 17/07/2014 at 20:02:38
For anyone interested, though why the fuck I donÂ’t know, but Ramadan officially ends on July 29th.
Duncan McDine
269 Posted 17/07/2014 at 20:02:15
If I were Muslim IÂ’d make sure I was on holiday in Northern Canada when Ramadan falls in the winter, and in South Argentina when it falls this time of year.

Or more likely, IÂ’d fuck it off and just eat when I want... donÂ’t they do a version of Â’confessionÂ’? Most of the Arabic fellas that my Father-in-law worked with in Oman pissed it up and frequented brothols despite it being forbidden for Muslims... so a cheeky big mac when the sunÂ’s shining is feck all!!!

Kieran Riding
270 Posted 17/07/2014 at 20:11:27
So if we announce Besic and Lukaku at the same time will we all hate BK still ?
Paul David
272 Posted 17/07/2014 at 20:13:13
Sky Sports News are saying Palace have agreed a fee of ٦m for Sigurdsson. IÂ’d love to see him at Goodison, a goal scoring midfielder is exactly what we need. I wonÂ’t be happy if a player of his quality ends up at Palace.
Tom R Owen
273 Posted 17/07/2014 at 20:19:12
Kieran 272
I for one still will!
My memory has not completely gone despite being old!
I cannot forgive all the lies and false dawns .
Patrick Murphy
275 Posted 17/07/2014 at 21:11:04
If posters believe that Toffee WebberÂ’s are feeling the strain have a look at GOTÂ’s 3 Shares for sale thread - very strange and bizzare to say the least.
Colin Glassar
276 Posted 17/07/2014 at 21:29:31
That was a really weird thread Patrick. It was a bit like the live forum on a slow day. IÂ’ve come across sheedyÂ’s big toe before.
Rob Halligan
277 Posted 17/07/2014 at 22:10:28
ItÂ’s over an hour since I last checked for any possible signings!!!

IÂ’m beginning to feel suicidal now. Think I will wait another 47 days before checking again as its always deadline day when we complete any deals.

John Quigg
278 Posted 17/07/2014 at 22:42:18
Paul Andrews, it amazes me that you think a misogynistic and homophobic religion such as Islam deserves respect. You know what the crime for apostasy (leaving the religion) in sharia law is? Execution... A religion which treats non believers with such hostility deserves no respect in return. And before you accuse me of being Â’racistÂ’, Islam is a religion, not a race. Nothing should be immune from scrutiny and that includes religion. Anyway, hope we sign this kid.
Eric Holland
279 Posted 17/07/2014 at 23:34:13
Maybe itÂ’s all cloak and dagger stuff, now that Harry is back and buying players in the Prem.

Also Pardew at the bar-codes watched who Moyes was lining up, then jumped in before us.

Better to keep it Quiet until the deal is done.

Have faith in our Manager He didnÂ’t do to bad last year.

Kevin Tully
280 Posted 18/07/2014 at 00:03:22
Just click on to this story to make you feel better about our transfer dealings:

Link

Patrick Murphy
281 Posted 18/07/2014 at 00:09:03
You could have warned us Kevin! I avoid that section of the Echo like the plaque - but the reality is that they have swapped one player for many players and havenÂ’t spent a penny of their war-chest yet which kind of puts in perspective where we are at as a club.
Colin Glassar
282 Posted 18/07/2014 at 00:12:40
Just seen on a semi-Official Chelsea site that Lukaku is refusing to extend his contract at the Bridge and Everton are expected to sign him now.

They also, believe it or not, quote a source saying saying the Everton shop have been told to prepare a batch of shirts with his name on it. Like RipleyÂ’s...........

Kevin Tully
283 Posted 18/07/2014 at 00:25:44
That face Pat...something seriously sinister about that man IÂ’m telling you. Even the the missus asks me to turn the telly off when he appears, and she doesnÂ’t follow footy.
Colin Glassar
291 Posted 18/07/2014 at 08:23:27
Update: Bugger all has happened in the last 48 hours. As Krusty the clown once said, "watch this space".
James Morgan
292 Posted 18/07/2014 at 08:30:38
Colin, Krusty also sang "Send In The Clowns".
Sounds about right.
Phil Walling
293 Posted 18/07/2014 at 09:13:50
Of all the Â’donÂ’t panic Roberto is god fanaticsÂ’ on here, I ask the question:-

Are you really that relaxed that by 18th July, our only signing is an aging mid-fielder who was here last season, anyway?

All other top spot aspiring clubs have done business to strengthen but we look weaker than we did last term. I repeat that I donÂ’t totally blame our man but he seems just as compliant in BKÂ’s last-minute philosophy as was his predecessor!

Pablo Connelly
294 Posted 18/07/2014 at 11:33:39
I have to admit when I saw the clearly made up Â’48 hourÂ’ deadline placed on this transfer, mostly by twitter worshippers who exist soley to pretend and convince others they are important, it was always a knapp that domesayers would use the elapse of this time to throw an online tantrum. As usual the same old boring its kenwrights fault shouts have started and will continue incessantly until the lad is on the OS waring the new kit (without socks).

The truth is history tells you transfers can take a few days but they can also weeks, that isnÂ’t just Everton it is common place. No one knows what stage of the transfer the story came out, hopefully we will sign him but if it takes another week so what? As long as we sign the lad thats all that matters. No one at the club has made any Â’48 hourÂ’ promises so lets pick the toys up and put them back in the pram! I fully expect us to get this lad and 4 or 5 others this window, including at least 1 striker but in reality at 3 of them will come in the last week as Roberto as aluded to.

Mark Tanton
297 Posted 18/07/2014 at 14:56:12
Pablo you cannot seriously think that this ISN'T an 'Everton thing'? Yes, some transfers take longer than others, but when has the club, in recent years, done anything anywhere near as quick, forthright or efficiently in the transfer market as any other top half Premier League club? This inertia is the Everton disease.
Tom R Owen
298 Posted 18/07/2014 at 15:10:03
Phil (#295),
How many players have Spurs signed?
Denver Daniels
299 Posted 18/07/2014 at 19:05:00
Well this one's certainly turning into another drama of epic proportions.

I think I'll stop checking the net for transfer news and go cold turkey for the next few days.

Ray Said
300 Posted 18/07/2014 at 19:19:08
John Quigg (280) this is a footy website-keep to the subject which is all things EFC not your opinions on religion. Whatever religion we all are we are united by our love of the club.
Mark Tanton
301 Posted 18/07/2014 at 19:23:38
Is anyone surprised we're dragging our feet? Unfortunately we've had years of this. Look at the Gareth Barry deal - 33, unattached, and spend a season at the club already... He so far represents a whole summer's work. When you look at it like, it's pathetic.
Clive Rogers
303 Posted 18/07/2014 at 20:28:12
I read that spending this window is up 㿨M and is likely to reach 𧽴M.

Glad to know our board is doing it bit to keep prices down!!

Colin Glassar
304 Posted 18/07/2014 at 21:28:21
I am so depressed about the whole Besic farce that I am abstaining from commenting on all and any baseless rumours from now until Krusty the Clown actually buys someone.

On the other hand, it looks like we might get Hernandez on loan from Man Utd. Chicharito hasn't been named in the 25-man squad which goes to the USA tomorrow. I can't wait.


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