If true, this second bid would still fall well below Everton's valuation of the player and the £34m - £38m figure that the media seem to have agreed between themselves would seal the deal.
Some of the national media are suggesting the Londoners' new offer is £26m, however.
Roberto Martinez was adamant earlier this month that the 21-year-old is not going anywhere and that has been reflected in a later tweet from Sky whose sources report that Everton have twice told Chelsea that Stones is not for sale.
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1 Posted 29/07/2015 at 17:02:07
2 Posted 29/07/2015 at 17:08:48
3 Posted 29/07/2015 at 17:14:07
4 Posted 29/07/2015 at 17:22:46
5 Posted 29/07/2015 at 17:24:57
6 Posted 29/07/2015 at 17:42:26
I see Diego Costa has a hamstring injury so presumably the Chelsea medics/trainers are crape too?
Far too much over-reaction at this point -- relax and give the squad a chance before going in hard on them!
8 Posted 29/07/2015 at 17:57:12
9 Posted 29/07/2015 at 18:00:03
11 Posted 29/07/2015 at 18:10:16
I don't think the club has done much wrong in how they have handled the situation although the longer the uncertainty goes on the more difficult it will be to sign a decent replacement.
Most Evertonians I speak to are not enamoured of the Evans answer to the problem !
12 Posted 29/07/2015 at 18:26:01
13 Posted 29/07/2015 at 18:37:09
Completely agree with the last two points.
However, regarding the club's actual valuation, well they have said that Stones is not for sale. And as I said on the original thread regarding CFC's pursuit, I would just love for us to just send them another copy of the original letter with no further comment as our response .
14 Posted 29/07/2015 at 18:42:21
15 Posted 29/07/2015 at 18:45:50
16 Posted 29/07/2015 at 18:48:14
17 Posted 29/07/2015 at 18:49:42
I'm surprised that the Manchester clubs haven't got involved yet. Especially City. Perfect target for them as he's an improvement on Demichelis and what's his name, plus he's English and fills their home grown quota.
This is going to drag on until deadline day.
18 Posted 29/07/2015 at 18:50:00
20 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:06:21
21 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:07:27
22 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:09:27
23 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:10:49
It will be interesting to see what progress is made towards signing a central defender in the next three weeks. The higher the quality of the signing the more likely Stones is on his way.
24 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:12:00
26 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:23:00
They increased their bid to test the water.
Everton need to take a leaf out of their near neighbours and reject it regardless if that's their position, regardless of what Stones might want.
27 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:24:45
28 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:28:00
As a female gangsters moll in a film called "The Business" once said, "He's naffink bat a cardboard cutout cunt."
Couldn't agree more.
29 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:34:27
Don't know much about Twitter but wouldn't BK have an account.
Would someone in the know be able to Twitter him and ask these pertinent questions.
30 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:40:06
31 Posted 29/07/2015 at 19:51:41
It's not just about letting one player go or not it's a statement of intent which can have far reaching effects.
Other than saying he's not for sale say "he is for sale and the price is 㿨 million pound, non negotiable. If someone wants to pay that I would let him go IF the full amount could be spent on players. 㾶 million could probably get Van Diijk who would be a perfect replacement.
I would spend 㾻-20 million on a number 10 and 㾻 million on each of two further players. So to let one go and get four "quality" players in would, I believe, be a good move. On the other hand I'd love to just tell the "Special needs" one to fuck right off!
32 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:00:10
I wouldn't want an unhappy player if he's got his heart set on going, and Remy is the kind of quality that can push and compliment Rom.
33 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:01:06
They really want him; in the end, if he does become the best centre half in England, and I'm sure he will, he will leave anyway. It all comes down to what the player wants. If he is minded to move, it is a tough thing to stop that happening.
㿏m now could really strengthen our squad. I say this through gritted teeth because he is the best young player I have seen in 40 years and that includes Rooney.
35 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:13:29
36 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:17:57
38 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:23:34
39 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:25:52
If we do sell him, I wouldn't want to see Moses as part of the deal. We need to be aiming higher than Moses.
40 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:26:05
This business is between EFC (and that includes John Stones of course) and CFC. And, again according to the wonderful Sky sources, Everton have now told Chelsea twice that there's no business to be done. You don't need to say it in 140 characters; just 8 will do, starting and ending with an f.
41 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:30:31
42 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:31:14
They are just plain greedy and yes I know it's business, so the big money talks and even if they don't up the ante, I am sure it will affect the form of Stones for a while now his head has been turned.
If this deal happens now it will scupper what chance Everton had of a decent start to the season as Everton would have to scramble for a replacement.
43 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:34:57
Keep on clapping.....
44 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:44:57
I'm thinking more of Moses as a second striker or a left winger. I think Lennon is nailed on coming to us; he's training with the reserves, and I'm sure he stated he would wait right until the last minute to join us.
45 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:49:51
46 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:50:15
47 Posted 29/07/2015 at 20:59:17
48 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:03:04
49 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:05:49
Thanks for the reply mate but I think you'll find that Foreign Office has 13 characters and doesn't end in "F" :-)
Furthermore I think that everyone at precisely 22:00 BST should shout as loud as possible "Fuck Off, Mourinwhohe"
50 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:12:25
If we sell him, then the vision I believe he has sold to the rest of the team will be destroyed. Stones can't be sold for any price or others may then become disillusioned and follow suit.
I'm still convinced that we won't sell.
51 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:18:59
For me, my perfect mythical scenario would be for Roberto to address the question at a press conference;
Reporter: "Roberto, how much money will it take for you to sell John Stones to Chelsea?"
Roberto: "Well I have to say it would take a magnificent amount of money to sell John Stones, but it doesn't necessarily have to be money-we could sell him using other methods. For example, I was thinking the other day how wonderful it would be for Everton Football Club to have a magnificent, brand new, state-of-the-art, 55,000 seat stadium."
Oh to dream.
52 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:26:10
53 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:28:03
54 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:34:47
The fact is, I can't remember too many times last season when young Stones prevented us conceding too many silly goals from crosses or set pieces. Witness the new Redshite centre forward at Villa Park in May and the havoc he caused that day...
Now I know you obviously attack as a team and defend as a team but my own personal opinion is Stones is replaceable... but, and I emphasise 'but', at the right price...
So, shall we say £32M? That seems to be the going rate for young English talent, doesn't it
I think honestly it would be folly to keep him because (and I have heard this off a good source) his head's been turned so he's obviously not going to be all there at the start of the campaign is he, ÃƒÂ la Lescott.
Just as well we're not playing Arsenal 1st game... I think, if we get the right money, as stated above, let him go... but I think we all wish it'll be done sooner rather than later for obvious reasons.
55 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:34:59
I don't want him to go, but a bidding war would suit Everton, if they have any intentions of selling.
56 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:36:46
Ultimately, this is down to EFC. If we have the resolve to hold on to him, there's nothing any other party can do to change that. He's in contract, and unless that contract contains a release clause, we can dictate if he stays and if he goes. In my opinion we should shut up shop. He is a top class 21-year-old English centre back. We simply cannot keep him long enough.
57 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:45:58
If we have no more outgoings, whatever ample funds we have have left needs to go on a quality centre-forward for me. Cleverley and Barkley can fight it out for the No 10 role.
58 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:46:28
59 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:51:52
60 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:52:43
Perhaps the hold-up isn't the price, but that our owners want the bulk, if not all, of the transfer fee up front. Abramovich can OK that expenditure; that he can and would will have an effect on the pricing. Roberto is sure going to need all the money he can get.
And not just for replacing Stones.
Kone, Gibson, Pienaar, Hibbert, and Ossie are in the final year of contract. When fit, all are picked for the squad. Roberto has to think of their replacements, too. Where the funding?
Add, this time next year Barry and Mirallas are in the last year of contract. At his age and wage, we're stuck with Barry. No getting around it.
Mirallas is 28 this year. We have to re-do his contract or sell him now or January. Roberto will need that money, too.
It's about John Stones here, yes. But a lot is riding on his sale or staying. Not just "John Stones was sold to Chelsea."
61 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:52:43
62 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:55:39
As much as I hate United, I'd actually prefer Stones to there just to put Mourinho in his place.
63 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:57:52
No, he is not doing anything wrong but his whole attitude, and demeanour, towards everyone else stinks the place out. He epitomises everything that is wrong in the game, ie, greed, greed and more greed.
64 Posted 29/07/2015 at 21:59:30
65 Posted 29/07/2015 at 22:01:18
67 Posted 29/07/2015 at 22:10:09
Now I have to laugh at each outlandish claim being made in the press and social media. I've just seen one which says, 'Everton demand a whopping 㿌m for Stones'. Whopping? Whopping? Ffs, Sterling went for 㿞m that's almost whopping. 㿌m is small change as far as the Russians are concerned. Double that and we might, just might, consider it.
68 Posted 29/07/2015 at 22:27:23
Jose has said it himself; Everton sent a letter to Chelsea stating (supposedly clearly) that we are not interested in selling John Stones, but Jose says that he felt that didn't mean he couldn't submit bids because, as he claims, everyone is for sale - it's the transfer window, what is he supposed to do?!?
In his mind, there is no "not for sale", it's just a "small" club trying to jack up the price and fleece poor Chelsea. What a POS - Oh, man, how much for one free punch, Jose? If we sell him, that should be in the contract -- £50 million and one free punch to Jose Mourinho's face... live at a press conference.
69 Posted 29/07/2015 at 22:30:44
The last 18 months is draining the optimism out of me. EFC was my passion now getting to stage of not wanting to bother to press a button on Sky Sports controller to see us on the Box... It's inevitable it's going to end in tears. Oh for an Andy Gray type signing.
70 Posted 29/07/2015 at 22:40:02
71 Posted 29/07/2015 at 22:40:22
One way or another it must be done by this Saturday and the same applies to McCarthy or any other looking for a rat hole.
72 Posted 29/07/2015 at 22:40:48
Bid 750k for Courtois and I'd like to see a double swoop to try and secure their physio. If they don't respond positively, I want Roberto literally weeping about the unfairness of it all by noon tomorrow.
73 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:00:48
And why on earth does any Evertonian want Moses here? He's failed everywhere with the possible exception of Wigan and is no better than anyone we have, and worse than some.
Why on earth does anyone prefer JS to go to ManUre rather than Chelski? The were publicly tapping up players years before Chelski or Citeh got in the money, and had the most arrogant manager our top league has ever seen.
74 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:03:33
What part of NOT FOR SALE do all these guys not understand, Bill?
75 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:06:14
Personally, if he deal goes through (which I hope it doesn't and we only see a couple of incoming signings) then we should squeeze every penny out of Chelsea and if we get a player into the bargain then all the better.
76 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:08:12
In some ways I want this over soon asap....the window's open for another bloomin month of this nonsense... we just need Man City to come in now for a 4 way bidding session!
On the other hand SURELY management has the foresight and resolve to shoot this down...and really build for the next 5+ years.
Stones value mustn't be under estimated. I can only recall 3 or 4 British defenders in the last 30 years of being a fan that play like he does. Moore, Hansen & maybe Mark Wright. Yes the defending & decision making will improve, but bringing the ball out / confidence .....priceless.
77 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:12:46
If Chelsea or Man Utd want to sign Ramos he would be on 𧶼k per week. A top defender and far better than Stones at the moment. But he must be 30 and has nothing like Stones potential. John Terry is a legend for Chelsea and Stones for whoever he plays for will be a legend.
A conservative estimate is that over 3 years Stones wage bill compared to Ramos would save you 㿊M. So Chelsea paying that fee is akin to a free transfer -- would be unbelievable business for them.
Also, Stones is class both on and off the pitch. His marketing potential (unlike Terry who is a thug) is unbelievable. If he leaves us he will be at his next club for life as he is English and will be happy challenging for the league in this country. People pay ٣M plus for season long loan of average players. This guy will give his next club 10 years of service without a moments trouble.
I have no interest in selling Stones and I don't think our manager does which is great great news.
78 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:13:44
Whatever the outcome with JS, and I'm desperate for him to stay for many years, our biggest need is for a creative team player who can make killer passes for his team-mates.
79 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:14:57
When the fuck did our players stop wanting to play for our great club? With aging players near retirement and our hamstring happy manager too. Secretly we are in a mess.
80 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:18:34
81 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:29:24
In a lot bigger mess than the start of last season and we all know how that went...
82 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:34:06
83 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:40:09
Stones is proven! He had better statistics for clearances and tackles than Terry and Cahill last season. He's already an England international, who can play in two positions. He's the best English CB to emerge since John Terry and Rio Ferdinand. The latter cost nearly £30m about 14 years ago. In times when David Luiz costs £50m and James Chester commands an £8M fee. A £26m offer is an absolute joke. They'll be getting a bargain at £34m if we decide to sell.
84 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:41:44
But Sky still suck up to him which says it all about Sky. Truth is I would love the football bubble to burst and go back to the 70s and 80s.
85 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:45:56
However, this tactic doesn't appear to be bearing any fruit as yet. We have stood firm and dismissed the bids with the disdain they merit and John Stones has not been talking to the media (unlike Sterling). It just might be that John has a sensible head on his shoulders and can see that right now the best place to be is at Everton, with a guaranteed first team place and the Euro's coming up.
Perhaps next summer will be a different story, but by then he should be worth a lot more and more teams will be interested in him so we can demand the kind of fee his potential warrants. I think it would be naive to expect us to keep hold of possibly the best young English centre back of his generation if we are not playing in the Champions League, but it is not unreasonable to expect him to bide his time and enjoy developing in a team where he is valued and trusted. If we manage to sneak a CL place this season then the whole outlook could change. Got to be optimistic!
86 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:46:55
Micky: "Imagine it Rock, you've a chance to fight Apollo Creed, a chance to be heavyweight champion of the world"
Rocky: "Fuck that he'll kill me, I'll stick to the debt collecting"
87 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:53:57
As for Moses, he is best on the right wing. Not sure where the not a team player comes from as he seems to be spoken of highly by his former teammates. As for passing, don't forget it wasn't until Rafa stuck Moses in at the right forward spot that Torres began to look a little like his old self and started scoring for Chelsea. Moses was feeding cross after cross into him when Chelsea won the Europa League. I think Moses has felt a lot betrayed by Chelsea in only getting preseason runouts for future loan or resale value but no time with the senior squad.
I advocated getting Sinclair who is a left -sided player. Moses is really more effective from the right side and we seem to already have a few players for that spot.
88 Posted 29/07/2015 at 23:55:56
89 Posted 29/07/2015 at 00:00:12
Things aren't bad enough. Let's HELP Chelsea unsettle Stones.
90 Posted 29/07/2015 at 00:03:43
They are one of the top sides in Europe, much bigger than us. They have to match what we want for the lad and he is gone. Heaven forbid, treble his salary and playing against the top sides in Europe. We will remain also-rans whilst we have this board.
91 Posted 29/07/2015 at 00:09:14
Keeping him would be a statement of our intention to develop and challenge. Selling him for anything less than an insane amount, and by that I mean Gareth Bale insane, would see a white flag hoisted over Goodison Park and indicate our happiness to merely inhabit the same league as the likes of the appalling Chelsea FC.
92 Posted 30/07/2015 at 00:28:49
93 Posted 30/07/2015 at 00:32:38
I've been reading all the comments on threads for a while! Some very knowledgeable people on here! Also a lot of pessimistic people as far as Everton is concerned ..... Me included!! Is that an Everton thing?
Has Stones said anything about the issue? Does silence speak volumes??? Or am I, for once, optimistic?
94 Posted 30/07/2015 at 00:41:58
The only question if Stones goes to Chelsea is how many games Cahill has left as a starter.
Let's just set a high price and insist the money is up front. We need cash to spend.
95 Posted 30/07/2015 at 00:44:05
96 Posted 30/07/2015 at 00:55:05
97 Posted 30/07/2015 at 00:57:53
In all seriousness, there is a lot of intelligence that gets posted on here, and a lot of passion. Sometimes this leads to negativity, and knee-jerk reactions.
98 Posted 30/07/2015 at 01:37:04
How annoying would that be to Mourinho after advising how our manager should deal with the Stones situation to then stay quiet, keep the lad and in the process be sending out a clear message, well we told you but you just didn't listen, and how daft are some of these so called journalist's going to look if all the players stayed and then gave interviews claiming they were flattered to be linked to other clubs and have ambitions of playing in the Champions League but are happy to develop at Everton and that they never suggested they wanted to leave. I really hope that is the case and that there is no truth to any of our players wanting to leave and if that is the case then we should let these journalists know how useless they are.
Even a record breaking thirty eight million pounds bid for Stones isn't enough as far as i'm concerned,at the rate in which players values are going up I also think he could be worth closer to £50 million in a years time.
I could understand if a player's head has been turned and particularly Stones's but the club hold the cards and if they didn't want to sell I'm sure he would still give 100% but if the club did sell then it will be because they wanted to cash in. That's how I see it.
99 Posted 30/07/2015 at 01:53:01
100 Posted 30/07/2015 at 02:39:43
"Kone, Gibson, Pienaar, Hibbert, and Ossie are in the final year of contract."
Not a problem, we can give them each a new 3-year deal.
101 Posted 30/07/2015 at 02:47:27
103 Posted 30/07/2015 at 03:27:20
104 Posted 30/07/2015 at 04:07:39
If it wasn't for that stupid back pass against the shite we may have ended up with another cup to add to one of the Football League's founding members collection.
Since the foundation of the Football League, a total of 64 teams have played at least one season in the respective top flight of English football. Everton, one of the twelve founding members, is currently playing its 111th season in the top league, having missed only four for two spells in the old Second Division. It is topping the list of most seasons played in the top flight.
Chelski come nowhere near us. You'd think someone who played for us might bother to read our history... I've gone right off him now and I won't be clapping him when he comes to Goodison Park with his mighty Bournemouth.
105 Posted 30/07/2015 at 05:57:26
We need BK to simply tell Mourinho he is NOT FOR SALE and then see if Mourinho sticks to his word that he would stop bidding if he was told that. Obviously he doesn't read emails or he'd know that already, if we're to believe what our own club has said about the initial bid, so it looks like only a public rebuttal will do for him.
It appears Mourinho is totally lacking in class or business acumen and prefers to conduct business in public, so tell him publicly that Stones is not for sale. I used to respect the man for his achievements but no longer.
He is nothing but slime and I loved the previous comment that we should tell him we'd only sell to a BIG club like Real Madrid or Barcelona. That's not a bad idea actually as why should we sell to someone who'd use him against us? We might get a decent player swap from one of those two!
106 Posted 30/07/2015 at 06:47:14
108 Posted 30/07/2015 at 07:40:01
So let's enjoy his time here and get every penny we can for him.
As others have said, if he has another good season and a gets a starting place in that England team then the figures will become astronomical.
So long as the lad's happy, which he seems to be, then let's hold on and enjoy having the best young CB in Europe.
109 Posted 30/07/2015 at 07:44:12
However if we are to sell we should do so right away after lining up an experienced and proven replacement. It would be a disaster if we were to sell in the last few days of the window without having a decent proven replacement.
110 Posted 30/07/2015 at 07:50:51
The fact is, we don't improve by selling our best players; what happens is simple: we buy inferior players a lot cheaper than the outgoing players, then somehow the balance goes missing.
This is Everton; we cannot start believing we MUST sell, even with all the biased Southern media selling at least 6 of our best players. It's the local fans that concern me, accepting we move a good player and buy one, two, even three average players... How come everyone has become bean counters? Enjoy watching very good players at Everton then try getting more good players in to complement what we already have.
Believe me, as I said, Bill Kenwright is sitting on a good wedge.
111 Posted 30/07/2015 at 08:03:37
Let Chelsea bid. Just keep rejecting them.
End of story.
112 Posted 30/07/2015 at 08:07:53
You've made that point dozens of times in the last few weeks.
The Lukaku deal is done - it's separate.
If we sell Stones to Chelsea or whoever else it will be entirely on our own terms.
That almost sounds like I have faith in the board to do us a good deal... which isn't the case. I'm just sick of reading the same comment from you every other day.
114 Posted 30/07/2015 at 08:20:03
115 Posted 30/07/2015 at 08:29:33
Despite being dirt poor, no-one can take away our history or proud heritage which is miles above most teams in the Premier League. Today, for example, I saw Laurent Blanc calling PSG a big club. A few years ago, I watched a mid-table, almost broke, PSG team play Metz in front of about 8,000 bored-stiff fans. Big club, my arse!
I see Darren Lewis, in an attempt to keep his head above the water, is now saying the two Manc teams are interested in Stones. Keep it up, Darren, if you name enough clubs, one day you might get it right.
116 Posted 30/07/2015 at 08:37:08
We need to keep Stones whatever Chelsea offer, and bring in another three as a minimum. If we sell this kid to raise funds so Bill & Co can carry on regardless, then I really do despair. The message is clear, don't sell our best young players and the board need to make funds available to replace players who have left or are coming to the end of their careers. Otherwise, what is the point of them even being here? We may as well go and donate the club to Mr Venky, because they've fucking sold anything else of value.
117 Posted 30/07/2015 at 08:57:46
118 Posted 30/07/2015 at 09:08:26
I've been saying this would be the case since the window opened, despite the big boost in TV revenues. I'm not sure why people keep saying it's fine and we'll do this and that?! It's also highly likely that Stones will be pushed for the right price. And that will leave us three CBs down on last season. That could actually catalyse an exodus as other players see the total and utter lack of ambition of this disgrace of a board.
Questions need to asked, and something needs to be done sooner rather than later. Wake up and smell the fucking coffee some of you. It's not fine and hasn't been fine for years. Spending ٢.5m on a squad that needs players is yet another poke in the eye for the (too) loyal support.
119 Posted 30/07/2015 at 09:34:42
Unfortunately, Martinez promised "some early, some very late" which brings in Lennon but I also have the feeling this Chelsea business has been going on for some considerable time. None of it seems quite real. It's almost as though they are reading from a carefully written script with the final figure already agreed upon. With BK the great impresario involved, anything is possible.
If this is the case, replacements will have already been boxed off. Sitting at the bottom of the spending table at this particular moment would appear to be a deliberate plan. Despite the rumours, I don't believe we have made a serious move for anyone. According to Martinez, a definite strategy was laid out after discussions in December and January and everthing has gone like clockwork.
120 Posted 30/07/2015 at 09:41:29
Morning strategy meeting at Chelsea.
Abramovich: What's our next move on Stones?
Mourihno: What are they saying on ToffeeWeb?
Abramovich: I can't read English, sorry.
Mourihno: Yesterday they were saying sell him at £35m.
Abramovich: Get a fucking bid in then, before Andy Crook gets a counter argument going.
Stones will go, either in the next week, or after the Euros. Remarkably, it won't be because of anything said on this site.
121 Posted 30/07/2015 at 09:44:41
The board are either showing no faith in RM or simply do not want to spend any proper money on a player. We could actually go into this season a more weakened team.
122 Posted 30/07/2015 at 09:56:54
Looks like it's in your hands then Andy...
123 Posted 30/07/2015 at 10:36:05
If Everton are selling Stones or don't want to sell him, tell Chelsea the fee is 㿨M and mean it.
124 Posted 30/07/2015 at 10:42:23
125 Posted 30/07/2015 at 10:44:53
127 Posted 30/07/2015 at 10:58:32
128 Posted 30/07/2015 at 11:16:50
Cascarino is a total weapon! He was saying what amounted to -- we should have been grateful for a 㿀m bid the other week. And now he's saying we will be bullied into selling our player come what may.
I'm sorry but we were nearly bankrupt when we sold Rooney. The scenarios are like night and day. I know some posts are complaining about lack of spends but we bid more money than West Ham for the Juventus reserve so the moneys there for a CB and hopefully a new striker/No.10 too. So I'm going to be positive and say we will see the 2 new players Martinez has talked about on deadline day, and Stones will stay.
130 Posted 30/07/2015 at 11:24:50
Listen to the loan offered to make us choose who he goes too. If it was me, I would use Stones as bait for this BarÃƒÂ§a friendship; I believe every Evertonian wouldn't mind him at the best club in the world.
131 Posted 30/07/2015 at 11:30:10
134 Posted 30/07/2015 at 12:43:15
Disruption and unsettling the young lad is the name of their disgraceful game -- so minimal response should be the order of the day.
So -- from a footballing institution with deep communal roots to a Sky -driven, foreign owned ,marketing project -- which part of 'Fuck Off' don't you understand..?
135 Posted 30/07/2015 at 12:49:54
I would like to think that Stones will play it smart and stay at least another season.
It is the Euros next year, so he will need to be playing consistently, not just the odd games here and there in Cups and a replacement for the Champions League when Cahill/Terry is injured/banned.
I love the naivety of some on here that believe the majority of what we get for Stones will go for buying replacements.
We will get the usual free/loan deals and Stones (if he goes) will go at 11:59 pm on the end of the window with our board trotting out the old crumpled piece of bullshit paper excuse, saying it was too late to spend the money.
Said money will then disappear into the "other operating costs" black hole again.....
136 Posted 30/07/2015 at 12:55:43
137 Posted 30/07/2015 at 13:04:14
138 Posted 30/07/2015 at 13:16:39
The Emirates should be able to build it in one year, including securing the needed permits...
141 Posted 30/07/2015 at 14:26:06
I hope we hold on to Stones, as it sends out a signal to all that we mean business. The lad must be affected by the whole thing, but maybe he has been assured that in a year or so, he will get a big move.
Whether he reaches his potential or not, only time will tell, but his silence on the matter is very sensible, as he would be criticised if he encouraged interest, and unpopular if it all fell through. If he goes, I don't think anyone would be too hard on him.
Hopefully Roberto has told him that a couple more signings are on the way, and we will be going places this season... Let's hope so!
142 Posted 30/07/2015 at 14:30:03
Agree about Talksport! It loves the Sky 5 more than Sky themselves! Get Mike Parry back on there!!!
143 Posted 30/07/2015 at 14:38:28
We're not exactly a big attraction to top class players because they ramble on about wanting to play in Europe all the time! Also all the players now have agents who will spin the process out as much as possible so as to get the best deal for their player. Then they have to agree about the contract, I can imagine the process being a right long-winded pain in the backside!
144 Posted 30/07/2015 at 14:39:03
With about 1 week to go before the start of the season, we have only brought in a younger defensive midfielder on a fee transfer and brought in Deulofeu to replace Lennon. We are constantly reminded that Everton do not have the money that the top 6 have, but surely we should have some funds to strengthen the team, and have it in place before the season starts, and not wait until the last day of the transfer window to see what scraps are available.
145 Posted 30/07/2015 at 14:56:50
Roberto is a sucker for providing a home for his former players and, no doubt, Mourinho will eventually be adding the Nigerean to that wad of cash he's waving.
With so much uncertainty about the future of McCarthy, Marrillas and possibly Lukaku as well as 'the best young defender in England', these are unsettling times for us all.
I feel for Roberto with no sign of any money being available as yet for team strengthening let alone filling the gaps which may well arise.
147 Posted 30/07/2015 at 16:50:34
I truely believe we have a good crop of youngsters with Stones being the best of that crop or certainly the most potential and so if we do sell him we are nothing more than a feeder club to the sky 5 once again.
I say let's keep hold of these kids no matter what the cost, now whether RM is the right guy at the helm it remains to be seen; however, if we can get things right on the pitch, it will raise our profile and put us in the shop window and just maybe BK can have his day in the sun and finally hand the reins over to a buyer with hopefully deep pockets.
Our present predicament is frustrating and sometimes depressing that we can't compete with the so-called big boys and we are effectively being bullied by Chelsea but on this occasion I hope the club stands firm and takes a long-term strategy and states we are no longer a selling club and we intend to keep our outstanding youngsters.
I often read ToffeeWeb and some of the posters are so negative and downright depressing that I sometimes just have to switch off , I am sure most of you would have seen the film Braveheart, there is a scene where William Wallace turns to the Lords of Scotland and says "You are too busy fighting over the scraps beneath Longshanks table you have forgotten your God-given right!!" That's something I would like to scream at our club , BK and his directors and, yes, some of our fans!
Let's stay positive and hope Stones stays as for Chelsea I hope we give them a roasting reception on September 12!!
149 Posted 30/07/2015 at 16:59:41
Kone, Gibson, Pienaar, Hibbert, and Osman are in the final year of their contracts. When fit, all are picked for the squad. Roberto has to think of their replacements. Where is the funding?
Plus, this time next year Barry and Mirallas will be entering the last year of their contracts. At his age and wage, we're stuck with Barry. No getting around it.
Mirallas, however, is 28 this year. It's now or never for a reasonable fee (I want him to stay). The Club has to re-do his contract or sell him this window or next. If he goes, Roberto will need that money, too.
Specifically on Stones, I have to think the negotiations are for real. Notice even Jose and Cahill have shut their traps about it. Perhaps the hold-up isn't the price, but that our owners want the bulk, if not all, of the transfer fee up front. Abramovich can OK that expenditure; that he can and would will have an effect on the pricing.
Roberto is sure going to need all the money he can get. It's about John Stones here, yes. But a lot is riding on his sale or staying. Not just "John Stones was sold to Chelsea."
150 Posted 30/07/2015 at 17:11:00
151 Posted 30/07/2015 at 18:09:17
As Everton have said, Stones is not for sale, then there can't be a race!!
Just saying, like!!
152 Posted 30/07/2015 at 18:13:20
153 Posted 30/07/2015 at 18:19:07
As it is, I think there will be some kind of demonstration anyway. It is getting to the stage where enough is enough.
155 Posted 30/07/2015 at 19:34:11
156 Posted 30/07/2015 at 19:52:02
Seems good sense to me, there's an opportunity cost for waiting too long to do a deal which no-one seems to realise.
157 Posted 30/07/2015 at 20:20:28
158 Posted 30/07/2015 at 20:43:36
A move to Chelsea now would not only be a huge risk for Stones in his personal development (as Peter Giles has just stated) but would almost certainly put our whole season in jeopardy.
159 Posted 30/07/2015 at 20:54:29
Or should we just accept offers for all our players and call ourselves Feeder Club FC?
160 Posted 30/07/2015 at 21:01:51
We can't afford to sell anyone to Chelsea at present.
161 Posted 30/07/2015 at 21:13:10
Having slept on it. I'm starting to believe that the board are saying 'No' because they genuinely have no intention of selling rather than it being some rouse to get Chelsea to keep bidding. I'm not saying, he wont go. But if he does. the bid will far exceed £30M and will be in the region of £40M.
If that was to happen he'd go with my blessing, but if I'm just being optimistic and our board acquiesces to the pressure and we sell for the kind of money some posters are happy to take. We are as Colin says just fulfilling the perception the media have of us -- that being a feeder club! And we certainly shouldn't be that.
162 Posted 30/07/2015 at 22:16:01
Get the deal done quickly for the right price, then get the right replacements in over the next few weeks.
He's a fine young prospect there's no doubt, but if Chelsea know he would move to them and they want him, I can't see him staying, so why not make sure we minimise the damage for once?
165 Posted 30/07/2015 at 23:44:56
As a supporter, I do not want him to leave, but I am just being selfish in thinking of what he can do playing for Everton, not what is his best for his career.
Make no mistake, Everton are a selling club, and so is every other team in the league it just depends on what you are willing to pay for a player that you want, and if you can afford it.
If Everton do not want to sell Stones, and he has not asked for a transfer, put a £50M price tag on him and see how much the money clubs want him. Both the manager and BK have said "He is not for sale" so it is time to step up to the plate, and show you mean it.
With only a week to go, we can not continue with the turmoil surrounding one of our younger better players.
166 Posted 30/07/2015 at 23:58:52
There is no doubt, given the way Mourinho has gone about this, that, if we do turn down all bids and keep him, even for another season, it will give the club and us fans a lift and teach the special one that sometimes "You can't always get what you want".
167 Posted 31/07/2015 at 00:44:51
If Kenwright wants to keep him I believe he can certainly sell Everton to him. For a couple of years John will believe that he is with a club with aspiration, ambition and a long term plan. Then he won't. By then he will be worth quite a bit more than now.
168 Posted 31/07/2015 at 01:08:51
169 Posted 31/07/2015 at 07:30:39
Everton, as a club under Kenwright's ownership, lead their own fans to a lot of speculation, but if Stones now goes to Chelsea with both Manchester clubs waiting in the wings, maybe Harold in one of his longer posts 109, could be right.
Buy to sell should be our motto under our Number One Fan, I wish he could sell the club just as easily!
171 Posted 31/07/2015 at 07:56:44
"Fair enough Paul (105) but we might as well write nothing and just wait for things to happen and just accept everything without a word."
Well, we write plenty, but the second half of your statement is equally true, and has been since BK took control of the club.
172 Posted 31/07/2015 at 20:08:44
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