Martinez realistic over Everton’s ability to hold on to Lukaku

14/03/2016  97 Comments  [Jump to last]

Roberto Martinez says that the inevitable inquiries into the availability of Romelu Lukaku this coming summer will reflect the reality of modern football.

Already Everton’s record scorer of the Premier League era for goals scored in a season, Lukaku added two more to his tally in all competitions with a fine brace to sink his old club Chelsea on Saturday, renewing talk of how long the Blues can keep him at Goodison Park.

Were Martinez’s side on course for a place in the Champions League, such discussion might be largely moot but with Everton still languishing in the bottom half of the table, their best hope of European football next season lies in winning the FA Cup.

Though the Belgian, who has three years left on his current deal,  hasn’t made any noises about seeking a move at the end of this season, were he to follow up his impressive goalscoring exploits in England this season with a successful Euro2016 with his country in June, there is sure to be plenty of temptation from Europe’s top clubs.

Chelsea have been rumoured in recent weeks to be interested in taking him back to Stamford Bridge just two years after they sold him to Everton for Ł28m and interest from the likes of Juventus and Manchester United has also been mooted, although his potential price would narrow the number of realistic suitors.

The arrival of Farhad Moshiri should bolster the club’s ability to improve Lukaku’s salary but if his ambitions are centred on what happens on the pitch rather than his bank account, it might not matter. 

“If Manchester United cannot keep Cristiano Ronaldo, that is a sign of a modern game,” MartĂ­nez told the press matter-of-factly this past weekend. “If you sell a player for those sorts of amounts, you can get the benefit of adding three or four players.

“It is down to recruitment, bringing the right characters and I think we have done that for the last three years.”

For his part, Lukaku has been asked about whether he pines for a second chance at Stamford Bridge but whereas in the past he has made no bones of his desire to play at the highest level in Europe, for now he is just focused on this season with Everton.

"I don't think about that,” he said. "As a player, individually, I am doing my best. I have grown as a player, as a man, and as an individual. Technically I became stronger, faster, better and my performances are better.

"It is not like I play three games great and six games bad, I have always been good this year and this is something I wanted. If you look at all the big players in the league they do it from day one to the 38th game of the season and that is what I want to do. 

"With every goal I score this year there is something happening. I just want the team to win. Whoever scores, whoever delivers, we are all happy. I want to be there for my team. Even if we lose I want to be the one who pulls the strings. 

"I just think about Arsenal next week. I just want to win against them and then I go to the national team and play a big game against Portugal.

"I am happy to be having a good season and I just want to improve and do even better next year."

 

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Kieran Fitzgerald
1 Posted 14/03/2016 at 07:31:40
While not the perfect player, Lukaku has shown move than enough this season to warrant huge interest in the summer. He has appeared very frustrated and isolated on the pitch this season and and at times has had to feed off scraps. He may not be that keen to continue at Everton.

In terms of the Euros in the summer, there is going to be a lot of pressure on him to score. Benteke has been poor all season and I don't know of any other Belgian strikers playing well at present. If Lukaku can play well and show that he can handle the pressure, August will be a busy month for his agent.

The supposed top clubs in England have shown themselves to be a mess this season. I don't know how much of an attraction they will be outside of doubling Lukaku's wages. As it stands he will be in line for a decent wage increase at Everton anyway.

I would imagine it would be someone like Real Madrid or PSG who will be the most attractive to him. Ibrahimovic is due to leave PSG and Madrid have been poor this season so both clubs will be looking to bolster their attacks and Lukaku would be their main man up front. Clubs like these two can easily afford to throw £50m-60m at us without blinking. They could easily afford to offer Lukaku £100,000 a week in wages.

I think that Lukaku may go in the summer. I'm genuinely hoping that he doesn't as he would be nearly impossible to replace straight away and we don't need the transfer fee as badly as we used to. Interesting times.

Colin Glassar
2 Posted 14/03/2016 at 07:35:27
A very grounded young man. If he is to move, I hope he moves abroad I don't think I could stand to see him in a Chelsea or Man Utd shirt. £75m minimum, that's what I'd demand for him.
Eddie Dunn
3 Posted 14/03/2016 at 07:48:13
Man Utd and Chelsea won't be able to offer Champs League football, so that's two clubs unlikely to tempt him, if that is what he wants.

In this country that leaves Man City and possibly Spurs... So it is most likely that it would be a big European team that would be his likely destination.

PSG would be convenient for visiting family, or Madrid could come calling, but not Barca as they have oodles of options up top.
Kevin Turner
4 Posted 14/03/2016 at 07:52:31
Holding on to Rom (and Barkely) will indicate if the new owner can walk the walk and not just talk the talk about taking us to the very top level. As far I'm concerned Stones can go if the price is over 㿔m but we must keep Rom.

Incredibly, he has his critics on this forum and yes he could have already been on 30+ goals already but just who would we get replace those goals?
Martin Nicholls
5 Posted 14/03/2016 at 07:54:37
Agree everything Kieran says. To use EFC's inability to offer Rom CL football then hint at interest from Chelsea and Man Utd as the article does is somewhat bizarre!
Duncan McDine
6 Posted 14/03/2016 at 08:02:17
I've had a nagging feeling all season that we should just enjoy him while he's here. There are still plenty of fans slagging him off at the games (and on here), but we're going to miss him when he leaves this summer.

PSG seem like a perfect fit for him. Maybe we could get Zlatan for a couple of years in return?!!!

Phil Sammon
7 Posted 14/03/2016 at 08:05:10
Tom is as close to world class as I think we're gonna get. We would get crazy money for him, I guess, but he is irreplaceable.

There are only two things that think we may be able to keep Rom:

1. Mr Moshiri will not want to be seen flogging our best player in his first transfer window.

2. Even if he does want away, Rom is a good lad and I think his career is too important to him to just throw his toys out the pram a la Lescott.

The bids will come though... I don't doubt that.

Ernie Baywood
8 Posted 14/03/2016 at 08:09:20
When is his current contract to? Not being mentioned in any of the articles discussing his transfer options but it's relevant isn't it?
Ian Jones
9 Posted 14/03/2016 at 08:25:09
If he wants to score every week, win the league, get paid loads, play in the Champions League every year, I guess he should be off too PSG. However, how competitive a league is it. Interesting Summer ahead.
Matt Traynor
10 Posted 14/03/2016 at 08:31:11
Ernie #8 the text above says he's got 3 years on it, which I assume to be after this season.
Oliver Molloy
11 Posted 14/03/2016 at 08:32:08
Was it not revealed that Martinez, Lukaku and his agent sat down at the start of this season to speak about various stuff.

We know the the player wants to play at the top level (Champions League); we know his agent has said he would never have signed for Everton if I had been around... so the only way we can hold on to Rom is by paying him a load of money, in my opinion.

Is anyone really going to be surprised if he moves on?


Les Martin
12 Posted 14/03/2016 at 08:35:50
There is little doubt that his agent will be prompting him to move and with Rom having such a good season, his stock is at his highest.

I would not expect him to go to another Premier league club, but I think maybe Arsenal could be a surprise bidder, a lot of money not spent and fans to appease.

Likely destination PSG to replace Ibrahimovic, and they will pay us an enormous amount which may soften the blow.

Rom appears a loyal and principled sort so may yet have him for another season.
Jim Bennings
13 Posted 14/03/2016 at 08:42:06
Nothing less than a fee between 㿲-80 million should be considered.

A striker that is capable of 20-30 goals a season is gold dust in this era, even Manchester United and Liverpool don't possess a player of this ilk nowadays.

Martinez speaks of bringing in the "right character" which of course is important but if Lukaku does leave we must sign a player that can give us the goals he brings.

I'm not going to rule out Niasse but I very much doubt he's going to be a prolific goalscorer, I get the impression he's going to be a more powerful version of Kone.

He will however come in as a useful back-up striker.

If Lukaku goes you are looking at needing to pay half of that fee for Rom plus wages to sign the real deal and finished article type striker.

Sam Hoare
14 Posted 14/03/2016 at 08:57:53
I have a feeling that we might just get one more season out of him due to:

a) the fact that neither Chelsea nor possibly Man Utd will have Champions League football to offer;
b) He may be tempted to see what the Moshiri era has to offer;
c) He's very much the main man here which is how he likes it.

A month ago, I would have bet my house on him going but times are a-changin'.

Tony Cheek
16 Posted 14/03/2016 at 08:59:56
If he can score all these goals feeding off the scraps he gets now, just think what he will do with a couple of Yarmalenko/ Ozil type players behind him. Surely must be a huge priority this summer!
Martin Nicholls
17 Posted 14/03/2016 at 09:12:10
Why does RM allow himself to get drawn into making these kind of comments? Despite the dawning of a new era at Goodison he's basically saying that EFC and more tellingly he as a manager are not big enough to accommodate a player of Rom's stature.

Moshiri could well be thinking "I'll make the Club big enough but if you (RM) don't consider yourself big enough for the job, I'll bring in someone who does"! I'm not trying to have a go at RM here but he could and should easily have deflected any questions about Rom's future thus preventing all this speculation.
Neil Pickering
18 Posted 14/03/2016 at 09:20:59
Maybe if we had a manager that had shown he had more than 1 string to his bow then he might stay!

If lukaku goes it's the managers fault. The lad will end up with 30 goals plus this season but the team will be mid table at best.

Don't hold your breath that this clown goes anytime given the shite Kenwright was spouting Saturday night either. That was a message to the fans to say "forget it he's here at least another season".

All the gear and no idea..

Shane Corcoran
19 Posted 14/03/2016 at 09:50:27
It might take an FA Cup victory to keep him which, by the way we're now favourites to win.

This bit made me laugh – "It is not like I play three games great and six games bad, I have always been good this year and this is something I wanted."

Eivind Nyhus
20 Posted 14/03/2016 at 09:54:44
Silly thing to say, RM. We kept Stones.
Brian Porter
21 Posted 14/03/2016 at 09:58:47
Don't you just love our manager's defeatist attitude? I really don't know for the life of me WHY he had to say anything about Lukaku's future. If he'd been asked a direct question, he should just have replied that we do not discuss idle speculation about players who are under contract to Everton FC.

I can't see Mr Moshiri being overly pleased with a statement that effectively opens the door to unwanted bids for one of our best players. Just when will Martinez learn that sometimes, silence is golden!

Liam Reilly
22 Posted 14/03/2016 at 10:07:20
The FA Cup and Europe might be enough to keep him because Chelsea and United wont be in the CL next year.

PSG would pay lots of cash but they just won 8-0 at the weekend and have secured the title with 8 games to go, so the only the competitive games for them are the CL. If money is not his primary driver; I doubt he'd go there.

Real Madrid however, might be a different story if he can fit in with Ronaldo's Ego.

Martin Mason
23 Posted 14/03/2016 at 10:20:59
This sounds like us preparing the way for a summer sale. I hate the thought but as he says this is the reality and everybody has a price. We're also good at getting great value when we sell.
Peter McHugh
24 Posted 14/03/2016 at 10:22:40
Can't see PSG or Madrid wanting him so can't see him going particularly if we buy top players (and I mean top players) this summer.
Anthony Dwyer
25 Posted 14/03/2016 at 10:52:21
Seems like the writing is on the wall then.

Would love to see us keep hold, but can't help but feel only a move for a top manager could convince Rom that we stand any chance of CL football in 2017, and even if that were to materialise I fear the level of club that will be able to afford Rom will be too good to refuse.

Only thing we have going for us is the fact he appears happy for now, he's playing all the game time he could wish for and scoring a lot of goals.

Fingers, toes and anything else you can think if crossed!

Joe Clitherow
26 Posted 14/03/2016 at 10:53:48
Surely with new investment now it comes down to the player deciding whether the club's ambitions match his, especially given the very positive noises from Mr Moshiri. If he doesn't want to stay then fine, see ya. If he does then the club can rebuff offers.

We are not in the same situation as when we sold Rooney at all.

PS Duncan 6 I don't know whether you are speaking from first hand experience and if so what part of the ground you sit in, but I don't hear "plenty" of fans slagging him off at all in my part of Bullens Road Paddock. Or Ross for that matter.

Trevor Lynes
28 Posted 14/03/2016 at 11:26:35
The truth is we do not have anyone at the club who is anywhere near to Lukaku's potential. He is the same age as Barkley and is already a big draw with any of the top clubs home and abroad. Without him we would be in a real mess this season as no one else can match his goal scoring. He totally changed the game against Chelsea and there is no one else we have who can do that sort of thing.If Moshiri can hold onto him for another season and build a top contending side around him then perhaps we can get into the champions league and keep him with us for his full contract.Knowing our club I can see him being sold for about £60 million while he is still a hot property. I truly hope I am wrong as I am hoping (and praying) that we show real ambition next season and use whatever transfer budget we get wisely.
Steve Guy
29 Posted 14/03/2016 at 11:55:32
We'd be firmly in the relegation zone this year if not for Lukaku.
Tony J Williams
30 Posted 14/03/2016 at 12:20:38
The rumour from the steward next to me was that they have already pretty much agreed a deal with Borussia Dortmund.
Oliver Molloy
31 Posted 14/03/2016 at 12:38:37
It was probably agreed that if Everton did not make the Champions League this season, we would oblige and sell.

Of course, we need big big money if he moves.
Peter Roberts
32 Posted 14/03/2016 at 12:51:31
Why would he not go to PSG? Big money, Champions League football and almost certain to win silverware. Likely to be #1, possibly #2 behind Cavani but they usually play two up top anyway.

Swap deal for Ibra, although if that happens then Satan better put a jacket on to keep warm.

Jay Wood
33 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:08:32
Like it or not, Roberto makes a valid point. If Manure with all their riches, success and standing could not resist RM's hankering over Ronaldo, then no player at any club is a guaranteed 'keeper,' regardless of his importance to the selling club.

Spuds had to give up Bale. Our lovely 'bours had to cough up both Suarez and Sterling.

If it happens, we will be handsomely compensated. It's what you do with such a monetary windfall that determines if the deal was good for the club or not. Spuds and the 'poo, I would suggest, spunked away a lot of money on very average talent.

As he continues to prove this season, Romelu is a BEAST of a player for us and we will be greatly weakened should he leave.

Like the majority, I'm sure, I hope it isn't as early as this summer that he departs, because with the wedge that Moshri brings to the table and the side teasingly on the brink of 'lift off,' after years in the doldrums Everton maybe, just maybe, could once again be serious contenders amongst English and European heavyweights.

Rick Pattinson
34 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:15:30
Lukaku will be off as soon as he can. He has no loyalty to a club. He is a goalscorer, true... but he also thinks he's better than he is. He wants silverware and Champions League so we may as well say goodbye in the summer. £40m would be minimum I'd take anyway... and I don't think Niasse will be an adequate replacement.
James Flynn
35 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:21:14
Mr Moshiri,

Please make retaining Rom your first order of business. He can make a ton of money and pursue his goals just as well at Goodison as elsewhere – assuming your intent is to return EFC to its glory.

You intend in invest on the player side? Good. Start with Lukaku getting an appropriate wage increase.

Tony Foxwell
36 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:28:08
I think if we win the FA Cup Lukaku will stay another year and see with our summer signings thanks to Moshiri progress. With Europa League football thanks to the FA Cup (if) we will be back in Europe and hopefully finally start progressing as a club.

It is start of a new era with Moshiri and our big players should all stay for at least 1 more season as this is a turning point now. Moshiri as assured funds for new signings plus TV revenue we should have a massive transfer budget to sign 4 quality players to push us up to where we belong.
Andrew Ellams
39 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:32:40
Tony J Williams, do Dortmund have that kind of money? I thought they had always been more of a pick up bargains, polish them up and sell for big money sort of club.
Ged Simpson
40 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:37:50
Lukaku, Stones and Berkley all met last week in Formby according to a source and are planning to all leave the same time at the end of the season. There is no point in being hopeful with new co-owner. It will get you nowhere. The spine of the team will go, Barca will take Del back, Lennon will lose interest, Barry will retire and finally Phil Nevile will be appointed the new manager with Moyes as his deputy.

I can't wait. Can really be a miserable tw*t all year then.

(This is based on as much evidence as many posts on this thread. One quote ! )

Brian Denton
41 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:40:26
Andrew Ellams, yes that was my reaction to the Borussia Dortmund suggestion. I would think only Bayern Munich of the German clubs would consider pushing the boat out for the sum we can demand for Rom.
Ged Simpson
42 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:40:53
"Another Steward next to me said....." Horseshit, I imagine, Tony. If the new owner has just come in, not formulated his plans, I wonder how the steward knows anything apart from where your seat i !
Craig Mills
44 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:45:42
I would look to sell Stones for £40m and use that money along with any other funds available to build the team around Lukaku and Barkley, if the new owner can find £30/40m for players that gives us a substantial war chest to compete. With all the fringe players contracts expiring in the summer that will also free money for wages.
Roberto Birquet
45 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:48:11
I don't care about the inquiries. It's the anticipated enquiries that would bother me.

Just saying
Anthony Hawkins
47 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:49:15
Wasn't there a report last summer that intimated Martinez and Rom had agreed a gentleman's agreement where they'd wait and see if they could get Champions League this season? I see this as the next step in admitting we're not going to get CL and therefore Lukaku is likely to go as part of that agreement.

There is of course nothing to say Lukaku may want to wait and see now we have a new owner and increased backing.

Rob Halligan
48 Posted 14/03/2016 at 13:58:04
Lukaku's contract runs until June 2019. So after this season there is still three years left on it. I believe he will stay for at least one more season and see what develops with the new owner.

One more season with us isn't going to hurt him. If, by this time next year, we are no better off in the league, and he has bagged another hatful of goals, then by all means, consider selling.

At the moment though, we are under no financial pressure to sell him.
Paul Mackie
49 Posted 14/03/2016 at 14:02:24
How many of our players we can keep will depend on what happens results-wise between now and the end of the season. If we go on a decent run and get to the cup final (preferably winning it) then I think we'll get another year out of Lukaku & Stones. If we play like we have been doing this season and continue to ship goals then I can see some transfer requests being handed in.
Peter Roberts
50 Posted 14/03/2016 at 14:06:42
Whatever I think of him as an all round player and his questionable work rate at times – he is a goal scorer.

So many times I hear "he feeds off scraps" – really he doesn't, he is the focal point of our attack. He has had the two most shots on goal in the league behind Kane who takes a far largest percentage outside the box. He's scored more goals in the 6-yard box than any striker

I think he would become a far better player if we signed another quality striker – I don't know if Niasse is that person. We need someone to challenge Rom for top dog status... That said I think he is off anyway and the money we get if invested right could see us push on.

On his day a very very potent weapon and match winner. We just don't have that player on the bench that makes him think "eh up – Jamie Vardy is getting warmed up... better pull my finger out". For me if he could lose those "not really up for it today games" then he would be a hero of mine.

Michael Polley
51 Posted 14/03/2016 at 14:16:44
With the new owner and much needed investment I think and hope he will stay for at least another season. We've already been told by the new owner we will be keeping our key players. Selling Rom would reflect badly on the word of our new Billionaire owner!
Jay Wood
52 Posted 14/03/2016 at 14:19:07
Peter Roberts ... good post Peter!

I mean, that lazy, limited plank of a footballer Romelu Lukaku doesn't have the strength to score beyond the 6-yard box, does he?

Passed up many an opportunity to whack one in from distance for his first goal Saturday. But no! He had to get to the edge of the 6-yard box before he even thought about shooting, and even then it just trickled across the line, useless waste of space!

Graham Mockford
53 Posted 14/03/2016 at 14:30:09
Peter Roberts,

What did you think of the second goal? You know the one he rifled in with his 'swinger'?

Kim Vivian
54 Posted 14/03/2016 at 14:30:45
I totally agree with Paul Mackie but I think the FA Cup will be an irrelevance in what transpires player wise. It is 100% about a charge to the end of the season in the league and laying down our gauntlet for next year.

If we fail then our only hope of retaining our key men is to replace RM with a top manager (Jose) who hopefully can convince Rom, Stones et al to stick.

Andrew Ellams
55 Posted 14/03/2016 at 14:36:11
Kim Vivian, if you want Rom to stay, I don't think Jose is your man.
Dave Roberts
56 Posted 14/03/2016 at 14:46:19
It may well depend on exactly what type of character Rom possesses. It's obvious he is ambitious, I wouldn't expect anything else but is he the type to jump ship at the first opportunity in order to try and achieve them or would he enjoy being a part of the Everton project which is about to get underway? Would he respond positively to Martinez and Moshiri sitting down with him and pointing out that a new era is about to begin with cash available and the likelihood of a higher calibre of players being brought in?

Would he give us the benefit of another year to see if all that can come to fruition with him as a part of it? The truth is we will never really know until it happens will we?

One of the reasons Rooney left (or so the story goes) is supposedly because as much as he was a blue he knew that at that time Everton were going nowhere and we would have to agree that at that time he was right. But that may well not be the case now. We already have a great but underachieving squad that is likely to get better if everything Moshiri hints at is true. The club needs to let all the players we want to keep realise that a new era for Everton is about to begin and that another season would be possibly enough for them all to see it working out positively....or not.

Niall McIlhone
57 Posted 14/03/2016 at 14:55:36
Apart from being a highly effective goalscorer, Lukaku is a very impressive young man, who is a great ambassador for our club. I think the dynamic regarding the need to move will be more around his agent than the player himself ? It was reported that Rom's mum had a hand in persuading him to sign for us, but the agent is supposed to have said he would not have advised him to join Everton had he been working for him at the time.

I hope Rom stays of course, but if he chooses to go, the time should be after we lift the FA Cup when his stock will be at it's highest. If he carries on scoring and performing , I cannot see the likes of PSG or Bayern Munich twiddling their thumbs until the Euros are done with -they will bid before the tournament.
Oliver Molloy
58 Posted 14/03/2016 at 15:30:30
I have always believed he will leave us come the end of this season. Why? Too many glamour clubs will be chasing him , his agent will already be making sure of that.

He is a rare commodity – there ain't a lot of strikers like Lukaku around. He's 22 years old and will get even better. His first touch is improving as is his all round game.

All reasons I think he will leave, just to much competition for us to keep him. The goal he scored on Saturday adds millions on to any transfer fee now...

Of course it's not impossible we could keep him for another year paying him big money but to do so we would need Rom to extend his contract again by another 3 years to protect his value.

Like everything time will tell.

Peter Roberts
59 Posted 14/03/2016 at 15:42:20
Jay Wood,

His class goal on Saturday was all down to him (penalty box, not 6 yard box).

As much you would love to believe that he probably ran to the by line – crossed the ball and flew into the box to finish the others they were all pretty much Gerry and his fizzers into the box – the stats suggest, he gets service otherwise his dribble completion stats would be far better than they are...

back to the subject – £60m would be a decent amount for him. Be interesting to see who we replace him with.

Jay Wood
60 Posted 14/03/2016 at 15:50:08
Eh Peter?

How can we expect to get £60m for such a lazy limited footballer..?

Summat amiss here, methinks...

Michael Williams
61 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:08:20
If Lukaku goes it's nobody's fault but Rom, not RM, and not Moshiri, as has been mentioned in the comments.

Rom left Chelsea because he wanted to be "the man" up front and not challenge for the position. Rom hired a manager that is known for moving players to big clubs. He wants to be on the world stage and play for the biggest club possible – where he could be the #1 forward.

As Jay Wood said, If Man U could not keep Ronaldo the season after he won the Ballon d'Or nobody can be kept if they want to go. Even if EFC made the Champions League this year, I believe Rom would go to Madrid, PSG, Bayern, Dortmund or any other huge club that has been mentioned. Rom has always been a man in a hurry.

It's possible he gives it another year here but I won't rip him or anyone else if he goes. It's business, not personal.

Dan Davies
62 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:12:54
If we can't keep Rom with a BILLIONAIRE investor/owner then something's wrong that would be a media disaster for Mr M and the club.

Martinez was so quick to say Stones is not for sale – why is he not saying the same about Rom? Mr M needs to give Rom a pay rise and tell him the team is going to be built around him and sell his vision of the future at EFC.

Raymond Fox
63 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:27:29
Agree with Oliver, most of the 'big' read rich clubs will be in for Rom. Great shame because he's turning into a player that we won't be able to replace.

Barkley will also attract some large bids, you can bet your bottom dollar on it. It's a chicken-and-egg situation really, all the very top players seem to want Champions League football nowadays and if you can't offer it, you're struggling.

Apologies for being so negative but that's the way it looks to me.

Steve Brown
64 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:32:54
Be interested to see who he replace him with Peter? Who said he is going anywhere?

He has just increased his value by £10 million following that performance, he is developing well here and we have a new billionaire investor. There are only a handful of clubs that can even afford him now – the likes of Bayern, Dortmund and Juventus are not among them.

Man City, PSG, Real Madrid. That's basically it and I don't think he'd make their sides. He has been adamant that he wants to play so I see him here next season.

Gordon Crawford
65 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:39:32
Tony J Williams, no steward is going to have this information. It's all codswallop. If we win the FA Cup, he might just stay. But if we don't win anything this year, then for me he is gone. I don't think any money will keep him here for another year.

But this is all hypothetical. The boy could be going home and night and kissing his Everton pillow and dreaming Everton dreams. Waking in the morning to eat from his Everton bowl... :)

Brian Harrison
66 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:39:56
I thought one of the first statements Mr Moshiri made was to say his first job is to make sure the top players stay at the club. yet within days of that statement our manager comes out and says we have to be realistic over Lukaku. Giving a huge hint that he thinks we wont be able to fend off any big money approaches for him.

I suspect that the talks that RM had with Lukaku and his agent before the season started was along the lines of if we don't make Europe then you will be allowed to leave.

Why is he making this statement now months before the next transfer window opens. He goes on to say we could buy three or four players with the money. So he obviously knows were Lukaku is going and also knows what he will get for him.

I would just remind RM Spurs got £80 Million for Gareth Bale, and they wasted most of the money. This team that Pochettino has put together has very few of those bought with the Bale money. Similarly our neighbours got roughly the same for Suarez and they are struggling to make the top 6.

Paul Conway
68 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:43:13
If we can keep Lukaku and improve on what we already have, we will definitely have potential to become, err, phenomenal!
Brian Williams
69 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:45:13
One line out of all the previous posts "sticks out" to me..and that's the line "we're under no financial pressure to sell."

It was done with Stones and it can be done with Lukaku. The club has the right to say "you've got three years left and we don't want to sell."

The lad then has the choice of throwing his toys out of the pram and not playing at 100%, which would put off potential buyers anyway, or knuckling down and giving 100%.

The players only have all the power if the clubs haven't got the balls to stand firm and wave the contract in the air!!

Tony J Williams
70 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:45:29
Andrew/Brian/Ged - 39/41/42

I am only relaying what the steward said to me. I have no idea how he managed to get that extremely private bit of info.

He's the same steward who reckoned Bill was at death's door, so what does he know?

Peter Roberts
71 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:52:07
Jay (#60) – well Sterling went for £50m and he is a better player than him... so yeah £60m. Does it annoy you that I have the temerity to criticise him?

Did by some reason the fact that we have had to endure year after year of sub £10m strikers like Bent, Beckford, Beattie, AJ et al mean that we can't possibly criticise anything about a player who gets 15+ goals a season?

If Lukaku was weak, slow, short then I could potentially handle performances that made you think he was Mickey Quinn wearing the sky blue of Coventry just waiting for a ball to bounce his way as he jogged through a laboured 90 minutes... As it happens he is possibly the most athletically gifted striker in the world – so yeah it kinda gets on my nerves when I do see him offer nothing up front on the games where you can actually see he isn't bothered or are these the games where "he's been isolated"... in a word, ENIGMATIC!!

Phil Walling
72 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:54:24
For Martinez to even mention it means he's off.

Putting it succinctly, we're fucked!

Michael Penley
73 Posted 14/03/2016 at 16:58:00
Settle down, we don't even know what Martinez was asked. It could well have been "if Rom wanted to leave could we stop him?"
Peter Roberts
74 Posted 14/03/2016 at 17:07:50
Player made references in the past about wanting to play for a bigger club – CHECK

Player has an agent with a love of making money – CHECK

Club has wage caps far below what other clubs may pay him – CHECK

Major tournament in the summer where clubs get all excited and want to buy a player who could score goals before their price inflates – CHECK

The usually overly euphoric Martinez sounding "realistic" over his sale – CHECK

Salukes, Romelu...

Gavin Johnson
75 Posted 14/03/2016 at 17:25:12
Personally, I think Rom will stick around (at least one more season) and sign an improved contract if we win the cup.

He'd also get to play in Europe, albeit the Europa if that happens. He wouldn't even get that if he signed for Chelsea, and United are only going to make the Europa this season, if that. No, I think he'll stick with us next season unless he wants to play in another league, in which case, PSG are the only team I see paying the £65m we are said to value Rom at.

I'll be absolutely gutted if he leaves. Yes, we might be able to bring in 3-4 players but I see Rom imperative to our chances of success. Look what happened to RS when they spent the money they got for Ratboy?!

IMO, one player who will be gone is John Stones. I watched the replay of the game on the BBC red button. He doesn't look a happy chappy sitting on the bench and I'll think he'll push for his move... and he'll get it. If he goes, I'd offer Stoke £40m for Shawcross and Jack Butland.

Mirallas is another one. If we get £45m for Stones and £9-10m for Mirallas. Not to mention the saved wages on Pienaar and Darren Gibson, Mr Moshiri won't need to put his hand in his pocket, except for improved contracts offers for Rom and Barkley.

Ged Simpson
77 Posted 14/03/2016 at 17:38:37
Sorry Tony...brought out the piss taker. But if it is without foundation why scare the worriers ?
Jay Harris
78 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:06:32
All we need is an FA Cup win, take the roof off Wembley, 250,000 at St George's Hall and they will all want to stay.
Phil Walling
79 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:11:31
Without being purposely negative, I can't see an Everton reserve centre-half fetching more than 㿅 M at most!
Gavin Johnson
80 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:16:47
Yes, I reckon you're being over negative there, Phil.

If we turned down a £37m bid last summer we're not going to accept £25m for him. He can stay as third choice CB and develop with us if we get derisory offers like that.

I'd be happy if that happened. He's 21 years old. He's got lots of time to become Everton and England captain.

Colin Hughes
81 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:24:22
㿝 million for average Sterling, 㿞m for Torres five years ago, we should be looking for a Bale type of fee for Lukaku if the bids from the world elite start coming in the summer and not accepting "Everton" type transfer fees.With hindsight United stole off us Rooney at 㿈m.
Kevin McCartney
82 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:29:39
OMG Deluded, until Rom learns to 'quickly' backtrack, instead of aimlessly dawdling back i.e. to quickly get back onside instead looking up at the sky in disbelief that he knows he's missed a sitter, how many times this season has he done it, looked up, dawdled back and is caught offside, its like he doesn't realise we've got possession again but he's too slow to react and out of bloody position to receive a pass. What the hell is big Dunc teaching him.

As for calling time on RM, be careful what you wish for, all this talk of enough is enough, bla bla bla, but I've yet to see anyone pipe up with a realistic replacement manager name, i.e. better the devil you know and let's see how the rest of the season pans out, although it is March and we DON'T even have 40 points yet!

Jay Wood
83 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:38:28
Peter @ 71

Oh ... bless, Peter!

Am I 'annoyed' that you have 'the temerity to criticise Romelu?'

Not in the LEAST, Peter. I'm just joshing with you (and laughing at you, I must admit...) because of your quite frankly absurd assessment of Lukaku.

You have repeatedly on numerous threads, and often within the same post, listed what you view as his many shortcomings and then, in the same breath, said we should take £50m for him.

Oh wait! That was last week! Today you've added another £10m to his worth.

Can you not see the obvious contradiction in your own oft repeated words?

Criticise who you like and as vehemently as you like. But then, be prepared for some brickbats if others (such as myself) differ in opinion to you.

Fair enough?

Referencing the likes as Bent, Beckford, Beattie, AJ and even Mickey Quinn as you do in some (verrrrrry stretched) association to Rom is eveidence to me you are struggling to maintain your stated position on the lad as the goals keep coming and records keep tumbling.

But keep 'em coming, Peter! Gems like: "I see him offer nothing up front in the games where you can actually see he isn't bothered." It's healthy to read something which offers a big belly laugh on TW now and again.

In a word 'ENIGMATIC', you say.

In a word, 'BOLLOX', I say...

Darren Hind
84 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:42:53
I think it may hinge on whether we win the cup or not.

It's one thing to go down the Kings Road waving a trophy to 60,000 people, it's completely different to parading through a City where a half-million people turn out.

Bring that cup home and he will be desperate for more. I can't remember too many who have won a trophy at Everton and chose to play their football elsewhere the next season.

Colin Glassar
85 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:44:09
Rom is still a baby in football terms but with a better goalscoring record than either Messi or Ronaldo at that age how good can he become?

All this talk of £40-50m is nonsense, the rich teams buy potential, as well as the finished article, and Rom certainly has potential in abundance. So it's not to far fetched to put a minimum fee of £70-75m on his head.

If they want him they want him they can pay for him. So let them get into a bidding war but saying that, I still think the lad will give us another year to see if there is a chance of success with Everton. I've heard he's happy at the club and very happy with the manager.

John Atkins
86 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:56:07
Getting excited now for the draw... Just over 20 mins to go


Don't care who the favourites get! They'll all be hoping to avoid us.

Dennis Ng
87 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:57:18
What's the price? I think it's all about the price. Come up with a Bale-ish offer and he's all yours. Anything less, we'll run with his contract.
John Roberts
88 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:58:13
I can't blame Rom if he wanted to leave, he has given us a few seasons and done the business. Martinez I blame for getting us into a position where it is inevitable he will look elsewhere.
John Roberts
89 Posted 14/03/2016 at 18:59:50
Darren (#84) – you have a good memory!
Brent Stephens
90 Posted 14/03/2016 at 19:00:53
Darren, yes, if we win the FA Cup I think that will do the trick, especially if he scores a brace like this weekend!
Phil Walling
92 Posted 14/03/2016 at 19:17:15
Gavin, at £37M, I honestly think Everton missed the boat!
Iain Love
93 Posted 14/03/2016 at 19:21:31
Apologies if this has already been said but we don't need to sell him, we don't want to sell him. So don't sell him.
Barry Lambert
94 Posted 14/03/2016 at 20:45:56
Why is he not spouting off about Rom staying based on the positive vibe the new investment has generated? Does he think that Rom will not read these comments, however realistic they may be?

This Sleeping Giant of a club is about to emerge from a prolonged hibernation and these are not the comments we want to hear. He should be expressing his intentions of how we don't need to sell our jewels and why this is the place to be .

We can afford to lose Stones and reinvest in players and still have money to spare

Get real you may say but is it really necessary to make these sort of negative come-and-get-him comments?
Michael Williams
95 Posted 14/03/2016 at 22:20:52
I agree with Colin #85 that EFC would get closer to £70 million than £40 million for Rom.

Rom would need to score 8 goals in the next 60 days to pass Messi's club total (doubtful, yes); 5 more and he ties Aguero for club goals through age 22.

Some players already below him (club goals through age 22):

Christian Ronaldo 97, Rooney 94, Michael Owen 111, Suarez 77, Zlatan 62, Henry 57 and Drogba 8.

Ian Riley
96 Posted 14/03/2016 at 22:22:43
Lukaku is worth £60 million in the current market. Top five strikers in the world. I would offer him a new contract, £150k a week. Sell stones for £40 million. In the summer the manager will have a kitty of £50-60 million for two or three players with a world class striker.

If Everton are going to go to the next level, Lukaku must stay. Anyone got any ideas who our next 20+ goals a season striker is going to be?


John Crawley
97 Posted 14/03/2016 at 22:43:51
A couple of things: he's got 3 years left on his contract – if we don't want to sell this summer, then we don't have to. If he keeps improving, then he's going to be worth even more in a year's time. If we want to build a great team, you don't sell your best players.

Finally, we should be able to offer him a great deal in wages with our new owner in place.

Dan Davies
98 Posted 14/03/2016 at 23:09:41
Apparently £23 mil for Slimani – plays for Sporting in Portugal? Could be paper talk, mind...
Ernie Baywood
99 Posted 14/03/2016 at 23:19:05
What I read from Roberto's comment is that money can force your hand, not that the player can force your hand. So we're not talking about negotiating a fee with someone because the player wants to leave.

We're talking about someone putting in a massive offer that we can't refuse. He's got to be worth 㿨-70M in the current market and would hold that value for another year into his contract... so we'd be talking about an offer in the region of 䀆-100M for him to go this summer?

I think we'll hold him for another year (even if it's against his will) unless someone offers ridiculous money.

Even then, it's hard to see how we improve without a top goalscorer in the side. No amount of money will attract an adequate replacement to us.

Dan Davies
100 Posted 14/03/2016 at 23:25:17
Slimani + Niasse £36.5 mil – sell Lukaku £60 mil... nice profit, good business. Personally, I'd love Rom to stay and become a legend.
Craig Mills
101 Posted 14/03/2016 at 23:43:13
So it sounds like Rom and Stones will be off in the summer, that's got to raise about £100m, add the new TV deal, the usual league position payments and any extra from Moshiri and that gives us some serious money.

The big problem being what top player joins a club that's looking like finishing mid-table along with West Brom and Bournemouth? For me, Lukaku is irreplaceable.

Brian Porter
102 Posted 15/03/2016 at 00:40:56
Rom has three years left on his contract, so why does Martinez not say the same things he said about Stones last summer? We don't need to sell our best players when we have a new owner and money is not a problem for us. Do the same again and simply say we are not selling our best assets and make our players contracts mean something.

I'm sick of so-called 'player power'. A contract is a contract. Why sign in the first place if you have no intention of honouring it? Honesty and integrity has to be enforced upon players nowadays to make them realise their responsibilities when signing on the dotted line.
Steve Carse
103 Posted 15/03/2016 at 15:01:01
Lukaku has an ego. And why not. He knows his capabilities, his aspirations and his market value. He wants to become a legend in the CL and global context. His current footballing environment I'm afraid just doesn't cut it and probably never will.

Like all ambitious young players he wants his career to develop quickly, yet at 22 he's only where Rooney was status-wise when he was only in his late teens. So much time has already passed.

Will he go this summer? The odds much be very short that he will.

Brian Furey
104 Posted 15/03/2016 at 15:29:47
I think Bobby is playing mind games here. Of course he knows there will be loads of offers for the big man who Rom holds in such high esteem. He already knows what it feels like to be bought for big money by Chelsea as a youngster and then be left feeling not wanted and not good enough by a high profile manager.

He now knows what it feels like to play for club where he is loved and is the main man. He has developed a lot under RM (and Dunc) and has struck up good friendships with a few of his team mates around his ow age. I have a feeling he will bide his time and maybe wait a year yet before moving.

Yes, Spain will have the money, trophies, fame and the weather but also a lot more pressure where the fans will be on his back if he's not scoring regularly.

Phil Walling
105 Posted 15/03/2016 at 16:31:18
In modern times, not too many Everton strikers have managed to score 15 league goals in a season (I think Sharpy managed it 4 or 5 times in the eighties) so Romelu's likely 25 are going to be hard to replace if he does move on.

It seems unlikely that another goals genius will come along quickly so a more defensive policy will HAVE to be adopted. Is RM capable of that sea change in his approach? I think not. So let's just enjoy the Big Fella whilst he's ours, shall we!

Tom Bowers
106 Posted 16/03/2016 at 17:21:53
Let's not kid ourselves this is a business like any other and Rom. is an employee who wants as much as he can get with all the perks and an employer who treats him well-just as we all do. If he doesn't get it at Goodison then he will try elsewhere and I don't blame him. There are currently bigger, richer clubs out there and more successful setting out the lures.

Sure you can call him greedy and disloyal but that's the way of the world today and don't forget careers can be ended in a flash with one bad injury so why not make hay while the sun shines? If Everton end the season without the trophy and a passage to Europe, then expect the usual rumblings from a few players.

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