'New project' could see Lukaku stay at Everton

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The small number of clubs who could both afford him and offer him the Champions League football he craves, combined with the "new project" following Farhad Moshiri and Ronald Koeman's arrivals at Everton could yet see Romelu Lukaku stay with the Blues this summer.

The latest comments by the Belgian's agent, Mino Raiola, hint at some back-tracking over the player's desire to leave Goodison Park after weeks of suggestions that he would be moving on before the start of next season.

Lukaku's desire for Champions League football, heightened by his impressive goals return for the Blues last season before he and the players appeared to "down tools" to a degree as Roberto Martinez's tenure flamed out, is well-documented.

And the Belgian striker seemed to have made up his mind when he told the press in his homeland in the build-up to Euro2016 that he would fulfil his wish to join a team this summer that represents a "project" and could offer him the chance to play in Europe's elite club competition.

However, following Koeman's appointment and a reported meeting between Blues director Sasha Ryazantsev and Raiola where the former outlined the scope of Moshiri's ambitions and the possibility of a much-improved deal for the player, there appears to have been a climbdown in the agent's rhetoric where it comes to his client's Everton future.

"Everton don't need the money anymore but Romelu wants to play for a club that can win trophies," Raiola told Sportwereld in Belgium.

"Something's changed at Everton. There's a new project. If he leaves, it has to be a good deal for all parties.

"Romelu certainly has the qualities to play in Italy," he said. "But as the Italian landscape currently looks, there's no team that can afford him. He is too expensive for Serie A.

"Only a global power can pay for him. The top clubs in England, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Paris Saint-Germain."

Lukaku has talked of a possible move to Juventus or PSG, two clubs that could have afforded him, at least before Juve splashed out on Miralem Pjanic, and offer Champions League football, while a dubious report from Italy this week claims that Arsenal could launch a paltry £31m bid for him as Jamie Vardy's proposed move to the Emirates looks to be off.  


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Iain Latchford
2 Posted 21/06/2016 at 15:59:52
"Everton don't need the money anymore....."

We're rich!!.....RICH I TELLS YE !!!!!

Si Turner
3 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:03:58
I will be made up if we keep him because no-one can argue he isn't a top striker in the Premier League. I do sense some tracking back here though and maybe we need to get the humble pie ready.

Let's hope he stops shouting his mouth off during the rest of the Euros, intimating how much better than us he is...

The only reason he would/will stay is due to the higher ambitions we now have as a club which is credit to Moshiri.

Jimmy Salt
4 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:08:44
Looks like clubs don't rate him as highly as he rates himself...
Stan Schofield
5 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:10:03
Si (3), yes, it's a reality that the higher ambitions are a reason for his potentially staying. But also, Everton could contractually oblige him to stay in the event of any uncertainty about his own intentions.

He has an employment contract, where Everton pay him, in return for his best endeavours as a professional footballer. Next to that, all the talk from him, his dad and his agent is mere hot air.

Kev Nulty
6 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:12:42
That's nice of him...

Only joking – he is class. Score us loads of goals, lad!!!

David Barks
7 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:15:04
Sorry Jimmy, but it reflects the new landscape at Everton, not the player. The soundbites coming out of Everton, limited yet impactful, are having the right impact on the people that matter, player's agents.

They are taking notice of us for the first time in decades, really. We are now seen as a club that is committed to winning, not just existing. Not just a stepping stone.

I really don't know why it's so hard to believe that there are a lot of players that really do want to compete to win trophies. That's really what Lukaku has said all along. It's what Rooney wanted. It's what Arteta wanted. And that's what his agent just said, he wants to win trophies.

The thing that honestly should have people jumping up and down is that this agent, who represents some of the biggest players in the world, is talking that way about Everton. He's saying the club has changed, that there is a new project. If that project is really about moving Everton up to compete at the highest level, then players will want to not only come here, but stay here.

Kevin Rowlands
8 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:18:03
Looks like the Rusky has put these gobshites well and truly in their place, I like it!
Ian Burns
9 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:21:14
I think his agent was offered a luxury apartment in Siberia...
Kevin Rowlands
10 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:24:05
David, if he really wanted to desperately win things like he claims, why didn't he stay at Chelsea? He's a mercenary looking for the next big pay day. No problem, though – nearly all of them are.
Scott Hamilton
11 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:25:50
Hopefully this means 30+ goals for Us next season and an abundance of badge kissing.
Dave Abrahams
12 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:28:16
I hope Everton don't offer him a new and better deal to keep him here, he certainly hasn't earned it, in fact he never earned his wages for a good proportion of last season.

If he stays, then let him earn any rises in the future; I couldn't care less either way, those who want him to stay are welcome to him.

Damian Wilde
13 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:29:51
If he stays, no new deal. He needs to earn a new deal.
Scott Hamilton
14 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:35:53
Kevin (10) - If you recall, he was out on loan at West Brom and the rumours were that Mourinho wasn't convinced that he was the finished article. He came back from loan, played a couple of matches for Chelsea, and then missed the decisive penalty in the "UEFA Super Cup".

After that Mourinho appeared to have made his mind up and he was loaned to us. The rest is history.

Kristian Boyce
15 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:37:48
Or, in other words, Mino:

"I can't find a team who wants him as they all watched the end of last season and the first game of the Euros. I see that Everton has lots of money now, so I'll get more money from them for a new contract, then start flogging him around Europe again this time next year."

It's a win-win for the agent.

Ged Simpson
16 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:47:10
David (#7), – right. It shows we have new respect and some more money. Not as much as some think though.

Moshiri is worth a billion or so? He's going to spend 𧴜m on players and 𧹈 m on stadium? I doubt all that will be from his own money but, as an accountant, he may have a good businesses plan, I hope.

We are not at the level of Man City or Chelsea.... probably more like Liverpool or Spurs. A big improvement and reason to be jolly. Perhaps the days of OTT investment are over. Still, happy fun days ahead...

Frank Wade
17 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:47:19
Si (3), he may be a top striker in the Premier League, with 18 goals, but I think we should be aiming higher. He loses too much possession, doesn't try hard enough, has poor touch etc, so in my book we could do better. Other strikers bring their team mates into play more and contribute a number of assists via lay-offs, headed knock-ons, running off the ball, etc.

It appears his Dad and agent have realised that Mr Moshiri may have deep pockets. Wanting Champions League football is shorthand for wanting a pay rise. He is playing in the Euros with his country and is not 'trying a leg' as Johnny Giles put it at half-time in the Ireland game. Granted, he showed a few minutes later he can put them away, when set up on his left foot, with no great control necessary.

Question marks remain over his motivation for his country and for Everton in several games. The home game v Liverpool and his debut v West Ham and other selected (but diminishing in number) games show us his potential when motivation is high.

He has been consistently and completely outplayed by the likes of Olsson and Cathcart and many other tough centre-halves. Maybe we can find another player who contributes more to the general team effort. I imagine that all this waffle about needing and being ready for Champions League football doesn't do anything for team morale. I hope RK can engender some of that Leicester musketeer spirit in the squad.

Kevin Rowlands
18 Posted 21/06/2016 at 16:49:26
Scott, I'm well and truly in the "I want him out of Everton" camp. Not only wasn't he good enough to stay and win trophies with Chelsea but, when he had the chance to actually win a trophy with us, he flunked badly in the semis.

All this talk of him wanting to win trophies and play Champions League is complete bullshit – it's all about the money, always is.

Si Turner
19 Posted 21/06/2016 at 17:05:07
Frank (17) I agree with you that he needs to improve but he is young enough to do so and has great potential if he improves his touch and has more controlled aggression in his play.

I do think his touch improved last season from the season before and I cant remember the last time Everton had a young striker scoring 20+ goals.

I want to keep him and play another striker with him or 2 attack minded wide players so he has proper support as he was regulalry isolated last season.

Out of interest who would you replace him with if he left as you said we could have better than him?

Mark Ryan
21 Posted 21/06/2016 at 17:12:33
In a good team he could be an excellent striker. Why not build a team around him but make no mistake, he's in it for the money and who can blame him, it's his job. I too, think his mouthpieces such as his agent and father are not doing him any favours but lets keep him and buy players to improve the team. Let him kiss the badge next season. If he's kissing it after scoring that will do for me. I'd like to see more humilty but he's not from Kirby, he's not from Merseyside, he's not a home grown lad. Just get him signed up and lets improve the team around him.
Colin Malone
22 Posted 21/06/2016 at 17:21:22
He's shite, get shut before he's stock goes down.

Trevor Lynes
23 Posted 21/06/2016 at 17:26:43
Brilliant news if true ! There is no player anywhere as young as he is who can consistently score goals as often.What we really need is a proper midfield playmaker to provide the ammunition that he and others need to score enough goals.Unfortunately we do not make those sort of players in Britain.All the real ball playing schemers are foreign ie; Modrich, Silva, Mahrez, Willian, Ozil, Payet etc, etc.We need to pay big money for a star who can get our best players playing and get the fans off their seats.We have enough drones to do the donkey work so lets get two or more absolutely top players to elevate the club into real contenders.I have been so frustrated seeing our transfer budgets wasted on mediocre players like McCarthy, Cleverley, Besic, Oviedo, Lennon and others.None of these would get into any top six side.
Damian Wilde
24 Posted 21/06/2016 at 17:31:59
I hooe McCarthy & Cleverley get nowhere near that side next season.
Ray Roche
25 Posted 21/06/2016 at 17:46:18
"Ryazantsev outlined the scope of Moshiri's ambitions" . Mino Raiola also caught a glimpse of a Glock pistol in Ryazantsev' pocket and realised Lukaku's demands may well have been out of proportion to his ability and duly decided that greed is not necessarily a good thing. He then evacuated his bowels.
Roger Helm
26 Posted 21/06/2016 at 17:47:07
With his poor touch and his pace and power Lukaku prospers and scores when he has plenty of space I.e. on breakaways. He struggled with last seasons ponderous buildups allowing opposing defenders to surround him.

Hopefully RK will change our set up to play to his strengths. He is never going to be a traditional strong-in-the-air target-man number nine.

Chris James
27 Posted 21/06/2016 at 17:47:58
...can't think why people hate football agents....
Thomas Surgenor
28 Posted 21/06/2016 at 17:50:41
Either he has found out no one is interested in him or Ryazantsev and moshiri have played hardball.

I actually believe it's a combination. We are no longer laughingstocks or push overs. I'm liking this off the field ruthlessness, let's hope the players can reward our new owner with a similar mentality on the pitch.

Oliver Molloy
29 Posted 21/06/2016 at 17:51:40
Lukaku and his agent are in for many extra £'s if he stays or goes.

Our Russian "don't mess with me" looking director has probably had a word in Raiola's ear..

"We will tell you what happens with Lukaku - we are the people who has control - so get it or else"

Paul Andrews
30 Posted 21/06/2016 at 18:12:00
If he retracts his statements I would be happy if he stays.

In my opinion he will be a more potent force playing in a team with Koeman's style of football.
Jay Harris
31 Posted 21/06/2016 at 18:21:47
I do believe that his agent has been told in no uncertain terms that we have the remainder of a 3 year contract and no club will meet our valuation so matter how much he touts himself around the world it will do him no good.

I personally feel he has burned his bridges with a lot of Evertonians and team mates too so it will send out all the wrong signals to the rest of the squad if he is given increased terms.

Mark Frere
32 Posted 21/06/2016 at 18:22:31
A new improved contract... doubling his wages has probably swayed his change of heart. Looks like his Champions League ambitions can wait a little longer!
Jim Bailey
33 Posted 21/06/2016 at 18:26:38
Don't ever want to see him in an Everton shirt again. Of course it's all about the money, every player in the premiership is probably worth shed loads more than the likes of me and you, the ordinary fan. However, Everton have an opportunity here to lay down a marker.

Yes Lukaku is a gobby so and so, and is not yet "all that". So in this brand new era for Everton, sell him for what ever amounts to a profit, and get someone in his place who doesn't have delusions of grandeur and wants to play "for the team".
Damian Wilde
34 Posted 21/06/2016 at 18:34:33
Agree Jim, good post. Let's not let him and his agent call the shots; we're bigger and better than that.
Kim Vivian
35 Posted 21/06/2016 at 18:51:26
Seems like Raiola has been given an offer he can't refuse.....
Stephen Williams
36 Posted 21/06/2016 at 18:57:25
It's possible that no-one will take him on the terms that are acceptable to us, or possibly to him and his agent. Throw into the mix that Koeman may wish to keep him (he has said as much). So Jim and Damian, you are suggesting to offload him for £28.1m, lose the club a fortune and piss off Koeman into the bargain? Then bring in some mythical superstar striker that doesn't have delusions of grandeur and instead wants to play only for the team - ie a striker in the modern era that just doesn't exist.
Brilliant!
Anyway, back in the real world ...
Colin Glassar
37 Posted 21/06/2016 at 18:58:11
I've been saying for a while now that I think he'll stay. The Moshiri factor is changing everything.
Frank Wade
38 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:02:41
Si (19), who would I replace him with? Answer is, I don't know. I don't watch enough football apart from the Everton games. How deeply we miss ToffeeWeb legend Harold Matthews and his wide knowledge, when questions like this are asked.

We could all write a spec which would include good finisher, first touch, running channels, hold up play, aerial prowess, cuteness, vision and most importantly hard working, good attitude, respectful to club and team mates contributing to good 'team first' ethic. I think Lukaku just ticks the first box, probably most important in fairness, but needs the others before he can be regarded as World Class. A taller Tim Cahill perhaps ?

Phil Walling
39 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:02:43
I can't see why how much he earns matters to us on here- we don't have to balance the books. But his goals matter so sign him up and give him a huge bonus if he reaches Latchy and Lineker level !

This is new Everton !

Brent Stephens
40 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:07:15
Within reason, sod what he and especially his agent say, if he can score the same number of goals with the same level of service, I want him to stay. If we can improve the service to him, even better. And sign a very good second striker.
Winston Williamson
41 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:08:00
With Barry and McCarthy as the two 'creative' midfielders he scored over twenty goals...

When delboy played well, Lukaku scored goals. We need more creative players behind him and midfielders prepared to run beyond him.

In other words we need better players so he can score and his deficiencies are not as obviously displayed..

David Barks
42 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:08:38
Seriously Phil, that's driving me crazy. People need to stop talking about the bloody wages. Get out of that mindset. If you want to compete with the big boys, stop thinking of us as a small club and talking about wages. Do you think United supporters complain about how much a player's wages might be when they want to add or keep a player, or City.

You're not paying that salary, the TV deal is. And whether it's Lukaku or another player, the salary is what it is to get players at that level if you want to compete. If you want to stay as a mid-level club and rant about how much player A or player B makes, and in other cases talk about "pay as you play" deals (which is just an incentive laden contract people), then it sounds like Everton might not be the club for you anymore. The new owner has bigger plans, and seems intent on spending the money that those plans require.

Ged Simpson
43 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:08:40
Phil, see #16. We are new Blues but not City in money terms yet.
Bjoern Haall
44 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:27:05
Please sell him. Not a team player and will probably have difficulties with Koemans authority. He is good but I think he might cause disharmony in the group.
Darren Hind
45 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:30:13
Predicted this.

nobody came for him and he and his agent are now desperately trying to save face.

Neither disappointed or surprised by this news. A humble hungry Lukaku will be a lot more of a force than the sulky fucker we saw at the tale end of last season

Benji Learman
46 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:33:11
I will cheer the goal but never the man if he ends up staying. Yeah, he is a proven goal scorer I will not be so naive to deny him of that / deny it to myself.

However, everything he has said, whether it being " true" in some people's opinions, doesn't hide the fact it's totally disrespectful to the club that pays his wages and to the fans that pay good money to see the blues play home and away.

Himself, his agent and father have now realised its not just Kenwright at the helm, it's someone with a vision....a golden one at that!

And now "he" " could " stay hey???? Oh how marvellous!!!!!!!!!

Win win, if he goes we receive a huge fee like we did for Lescott, Rodwell and Fellaini....we all know how well they went on to being.....and if he stays "we" will make him the player he has the potential of becoming... because fuck me.... He isn't the world beater he thinks he is.. Not by a long shot!

Like I said, I'll cheer the goal and never the man.... unless he comes out and says:

"I'm a cunt and I apologise "

Trevor Lynes
47 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:33:19
Some fans do not want Lukaku playing for us yet but for his goals we may well have been relegated.Footballers were gagged from talking to the press years ago and I for one would rather see big Rom playing for us for at least another season to see how he fits in to Koemans style of play.If money is spent that actually improves the squad and we find or buy a proven midfielder who can pass FORWARDS accurately plus chip in with eight or ten goals a season we may well have a decent side.Liverpool have never replaced Suarez no matter how much money they received for him.Lukaku is another very valuable young player who although having much to learn is head and shoulders above our other attacking midfielders and strikers.Fans on here have made big Dunc a legend yet he was sent off almost into double figures and let the side down more often than not.Football fans are really fickle and if Rom stays and hits his stride early doors next season he will soon have the fans purring !!!!Koeman knows what he wants and will keep the players he rates.
Karl Parsons
48 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:35:35
You have to say this hardball, off the field activity, combined with the Moshiri magic is very exciting. Our dusty exterior is getting a proper polish and I for one am loving every minute of it!

More please...

Stephen Ashton
49 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:35:47
Bastard
Colin Glassar
50 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:38:49
Rom comes on, first game of the season, scores the winner and all is forgotten. That's the way of football, like it or not.
Darren Hind
51 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:42:24
"Unless he comes out and says, "I'm a c**t and I apologise"

No hope of that happening Benji Mate, but as pointed out above, if he starts banging them in, no apology will be needed

Dennis Ng
52 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:44:19
Darren 45 Colin 50, yea, that's the way it should work. Not us bending over backwards every time a good player talks about leaving us. Perform and then we can reward, not before that. I think I read from googling a few days ago that he is paid 2x Morata is. How can you double our highest paid player's salary without getting good cast around him first?
Kunal Desai
53 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:47:18
No one wants to pay 60+ million for him and therefore he'll have no option but to stay. The club should go all out get another reality proven quality centre forward to play alongside him. Go all out for Griezmann from Athletico.
Benji Learman
54 Posted 21/06/2016 at 19:52:46
True that Darren!

He can score all the goals he wants, I'll celebrate every single one but never will I sing his name!

:)

Mads Kamp
55 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:11:29
Morata (and Pogba) sold to Real Madrid, Juve will go all in for Lukaku (and Witsel)...
Garry Corgan
56 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:12:30
Ah the role of the agent - who receives a few hundred thousand when a player moves...

Bung him a couple of million and tell him to get his client on board? Less risking than selling and replacing.

Tony Abrahams
57 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:15:40
Just drove along Goodison Rd, before Karl 48, and I couldn't believe how much our dusty exterior has been allowed to rot!

It looks like a new beginning, it feels like a new beginning, Lukaku wants to win trophies, but his he good enough to help Everton, win trophies?

Christy Ring
58 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:19:06
If Koeman wants to keep him, and buys another striker to play alongside him, I'd be quite satisfied.
Mike Allison
59 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:19:16
Frank (38) you don't know because there is no-one. Somebody posted all the top scorers from the top European leagues on here the other day. There is no-one. You can't say 'get someone else' without offering a name, because there is no-one else.

Lukaku's combination of age, experience (especially 'top' league and Premier League), goal record and availability to Everton are completely unique. There is no-one else. If you want to disagree, you have to have a name or two, because 'someone else' simply doesn't exist.

Ian Bennett
60 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:25:43
On Arsenal forums they're linking him with a £31m move. I assume they don't understand that we'd want a tidy profit on the £28m we paid.

What is up with that club? Arteta £10m, Suarez £40m plus a pound, this. Why do they continue to try and penny pinch?

David Hallwood
61 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:27:14
Btw what's the difference between an agent and a super agent does he wear a batman suit?

Frankly effin well sick of Rom and son's constant prattlings in the media. Pros; natural goal scorer reminds me if Bob Latchford. Cons; appaling first touch, average running off the ball, and of course a Trump-like ego.

Will he stay or will he go? Does anyone seriously give a flying one

Mike Allison
62 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:28:19
http://ToffeeWeb.com/season/15-16/comment/talkingpoints/32919.html

The list of strikers is here. You can add Gignac who banged in a fair few in the Mexican league if you want.

All the strikers who are better than Lukaku (and there aren't many on the planet) are not going to move to Everton at this stage of their career. Beyond that we have to take a risk on a player from a weaker league.

Paul Black
63 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:35:08
Garry, 56...

There's no need to bribe his agent or for him to relay any messages about getting on board. As long as he's contracted to us, he can kick up a fuss, sulk, put in a transfer request or – as far as I'm aware – anything else. He's an employee. Moshiri pays his wages. He toes whatever line Moshiri decides.

You know, I don't even think he needs to be told any of this. After Sash went to see his super agent, I find it very difficult to believe someone like Moshiri would send his right hand man to appeal to his agents finer qualities, do you? My guess is, Lukaku already understands very clearly his position.

Ian Riley
64 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:42:51
New project or new contract? Everton need to ask lukaku is your heart at Everton? A new contract worth £100.000 a week is not important. Hunger and desire is more important too me. Mr Ferguson would have ran him out of town by now. The club is bigger than one player.

Are we going to have the same performance next season. My dad wants a bigger club and my agent want's a payout? Lukaku could be the magic we need or the hindrance within the sqaud. If he stays we need a leader on the pitch to tell him to pull his weight.

The manager needs to sort this out as soon as lukaku finishes the Euro's. Sell him or keep him. Needs to be sorted out before pre-season training commences. Let the rest of the players know if you're heart is not in it. Place your transfer request in to the chairman.

Dave Ganley
65 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:45:58
Darren #45 spot on. Don't think anybody is prepared to pay what we want and now we don't have to accept anything less given that we now have money. If he gets his head out of his arse and becomes a team player (which I think Koeman will insist on) then I'm happy for him to stay. He is a dick, aren't a lot of fat cat footballers? However, do the business on the pitch and, as Colin G says, all will be forgiven. That is indeed the fickle nature of football fans.
Paul Black
66 Posted 21/06/2016 at 20:57:29
Ian, 64...

I'm with you all the way dude but 'sell him or keep him?' He was going to be on his way to his chosen club before the Euros started. He didn't and how are we going to sell him if there are no offers? It might be, like him or not, we could get stuck with him.

Ian, what on Earth is Ronald going to say to convince our guys after being so disrespectful and arrogant, why he should still be in the same dressing room? Who knows what damage he's done behind the scenes?

Mike Moore
67 Posted 21/06/2016 at 21:11:25
Lukaku doesn't want to play for us hes made that clear, hes generated like most/all players by money, hes going to have a change a heart if we give him a massive pay rise, who wouldn't? Personally I want him to go solely down to the disrespect hes shown us before Koeman arrived, if that's shortsighted and stubborn so be it.
Dennis Stevens
68 Posted 21/06/2016 at 21:11:37
Trevor [#47] , by my reckoning Lukaku's goals were worth an extra 8 points, so we would have scraped by without them.
Oliver Molloy
69 Posted 21/06/2016 at 21:18:09
I think those who are saying there will be no bids for Lukaku are jumping the gun - if the likes of PSG want him bad enough money will be no object.
Robert Duncombe
70 Posted 21/06/2016 at 21:24:38
Even more surprising than this news is the Spanish away kit. I am not sure if it is meant to be contemporary art or a 6-year-old's drawing of the sun. Umbro, take note; we do not want to play away from home looking like we have been tangoed. We want an artistic landscape of what it means to be a Blue.

I want Lukaku to stay. So the above news is good. Ronald will sort him out.

Sandra Bowen
71 Posted 21/06/2016 at 21:31:27
Keep him if at all possible. Too hard to replace his goals. Bring in a couple of other Belgians to keep him happy, namely Witsel and Batashuhy and focus on improving the supply line.

I'd love for us to go all out for Peresic, he's the one made for our problematic left wing role and is a real winner.

Then do whatever it takes to get Rooney, that would really piss the media off and force them to take us seriously.

James Stewart
72 Posted 21/06/2016 at 21:32:21
Bullshit. As others have stated no one in their right mind would pay over 50m for Lukaku and we won't sell for less so he is in limbo. Cue the u-turn.
Andy Crooks
73 Posted 21/06/2016 at 21:32:51
Darren, # 45 that is conjecture. This is not over. If Lukaku finishes top scorer in the tournament, they will come. You have a point though and I see it as a win for Everton. Big money or a contrite striker with a lot to prove.

I am with you totally on Stones.In my view he will be the best centre back we have ever had. However, I believe that your judgement of Lukaku is clouded by his silly utterances and I would ask that you judge him as if he was as well advised as John Stones. Both play in a role where improvement comes with age. Both will be great.

Mark Daley
74 Posted 21/06/2016 at 21:59:55
Sod off Lukaku and your twat agent.
Trevor Lynes
75 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:03:44
Andy, your judgement on Stones is at the moment pretty optimistic.He is not better than Jagielka never mind Labone, Watson and Mountfield.

Ray Robinson
76 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:07:11
or Richard Gough even!
Eddie Dunn
77 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:14:49
I would like Lukaku to leave. I am sick of his spoilt brat attitude and his agent. Sell him, get big money and spend it on a hungry player who actually wants to play for us.
Brian Wilkinson
78 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:30:14
Denis@83 the extra 8 points is assuming we lost every single game without those goals; who's to say Naismith playing instead would not have got us those wins?

Most games we would have won without Lukaku's goals; West Brom is one of the very few games that a goal by Lukaku won the match without others scoring in the same games.

Les Netherwood
79 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:32:11
He is crap with no ball control and a rubbish first touch.

Lets get rid of him and get a real center forward in for the new season.

Kev Nulty
80 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:32:17
I can't believe the negativity about him staying. Yeah, he's a twat but he can score goals; where would we be without them last season?

He wants to make shedloads of money, don't we all... But, if he's scoring and the club are willing to pay, give him another chance.

Alan McMillan
81 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:35:39
I do not like the "project" tag. It goes against the traditional family values of the club. But this must be the price of success.

That said, maybe his agent can send a few players our way. Paul Pogba anyone? Not Mario Balotelli though!

Anthony Dwyer
82 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:37:07
Keep Rom at all costs!
Daniel Joseph
83 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:49:07
Not as good as he thinks. If it's all about £££ then he can feck off.
WE don't need to show any commitment to HIM, HE has to show the commitment to US. Show him the door, if that's what he wants - £65m up front (not my valuation but if that's the figures being bandied about - snatch their hands off).
Jim Hardin
84 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:50:20
Andy,

As well advised as Stones? So he should be putting in a transfer request then? That will make him popular with the masses.

Jamie Sweet
85 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:56:35
If it's the project that he wants, then surely no need to offer him more money, just tell him to honour his contract and enjoy the "Moshiri project".

I certainly wouldn't improve his basic wage after such an abysmal end to last season, no way has he earned that. I would consider a performance and "keep your fecking mouth shut" based clause to give him the opportunity to earn more if he sorts his stinking attitude out.

Let's not kid ourselves though. If he stays, and he bangs in 10 in his first 10 games then all of this nonsense will be largely forgotten.

Laura Round
86 Posted 21/06/2016 at 22:56:42
Robert (70) I came home 10 minutes into the game and asked my husband why one of the players was bleeding onto his shirt!!
Hardip Singh
87 Posted 21/06/2016 at 23:01:26
Looks like Moshiri is changing the mindset and rightfully so, let Everton dictate the future of Lukaku and not the other way around.
Laura Round
88 Posted 21/06/2016 at 23:02:19
David (61) thought he has a touch of penguin myself. Devito not shiny new Gotham.
Keith Harrison
89 Posted 21/06/2016 at 23:31:09
"Without Lukaku's goals we would have been relegated."

Funny, I was under the impression that he was a paid employee of Everton, under contract, and it was actually his bloody job to score goals. This he tried desperately to disprove towards the end of the season, but I would swear he was still pickling up a wage.

IF, and it is unknown in reality, IF Mr Koeman wants to keep him, and isn't just playing the game to up his price, the miscreant wants reminding that he is under contract for another 3 years, at an already agreed salary.

I see no logical reason to pay him more money given his outpourings, and risk pissing off his team mates. Lukaku looks to me like he is becoming the Kevin Pieterson of the Everton dressing room, and he needs to publicly apologise to fans, team mates, and club alike, keep his mouth shut in future, and start banging in the goals. Or just get rid to any mug prepared to pay over 㿣m.

John Davies
90 Posted 21/06/2016 at 23:33:01
Bottom line is that none of the teams that "Big Head" Lukaku thinks want him, actually do. No new deal, he hasn't earned it. Make him get his head down for a season and put a shift in before any talk of a pay rise. If he doesn't like it ship him out. Big slice of humble pie to eat Rom.
Sean Kelly
91 Posted 21/06/2016 at 23:34:52
Maybe Lukaku or his agent looked into the eyes of our new Russian director and they know he means business. He's got evil eyes.
Andy Crooks
92 Posted 21/06/2016 at 23:37:20
Jim, yes that transfer request was unfortunate, but, there has not been any noise since. However, perhaps his agent operates like our new owner, which would be unusual and concerning.
Jackie Barry
93 Posted 21/06/2016 at 23:39:14
Well considering he is at the Euro's I don't think we will see anything until afterwards or at least until Belgium are out any way. Yes nobody may want him but we will see.
Jim Wilson
94 Posted 21/06/2016 at 23:43:22
Get rid. Not that good. Easily sussed out and clearly bad for team spirit. We need a striker with good movement and work rate who performs on a regular basis. And his disrespect for Everton has been disgraceful.
Phil Chatterley
95 Posted 21/06/2016 at 00:02:23
Please keep Rom. Great player and what a statement to say "We are Back!"
Viv Sharma
96 Posted 22/06/2016 at 00:17:17
There is still plenty of scope for PSG (for example) to make a move for him. This is simply his agent using his brain and covering his tracks in case they have to stay. My expectation is still that he will leave.

Secondly, In reference to those who say that his attitude isn't important so long as he's scoring, take note that I honestly don't believe it's the mouthing-off that's pissed of the fan base. It's mouthing off combined with the obvious "I'm too good for this" attitude on the pitch.

Imagine having a striker like big Rom with the desire and effort that RatBoy gave those odious lot across the park.

Anyone remember the Swansea defeat? He honestly did not give a shit about trying and didn't give a shit about losing.

If he's just going to stay to postpone the inevitable he's surely got to go NOW. The only way he should stay is if he states directly to mosh/Ron that he's on board long term (and they believe him).
I doubt that will happen. Ship him out, plenty more fish in the sea.

Ian Riley
97 Posted 21/06/2016 at 00:22:04
Paul (#64), I agree with you. However a new manager whom will not come out after every game saying how fantastic, world class, and phenomenal Rom is will be refreshing for all of us. Koeman has played with world class players. He won't mind bringing Rom down to earth about his work rate and attitude. It may help Rom in the long term.

New manager will mean a clean slate for everyone. Personally I think the reality for Rom's father and agent is no bids have arrived. Sad really for Rom because his agent is building him up to fall. It's not the agent or the father having to face the rest of the players come July.

I feel the Lukaku soap opera starring my agent, me father, and the footballer is to be continued........

Don Alexander
98 Posted 22/06/2016 at 00:45:29
Lukaku is emulating the antics of another prize shit named Carlos Tevez, except for the fact that when he wasn't destroying the team ethic Tevez consistently put in match winning performances regardless of the distress he caused off the field.

I have no respect left for Lukaku but I hope next season he STARTS playing in the manner his conceited opinion of himself promises. If, as I suspect, he's too thick to know what that is I'm sure RK, a true legend as a player, can give him all the clues he needs, and only then can our numb-nuts centre forward attract queries from clubs in leagues where defenders know how to defend......and that obviously doesn't include France.

If PSG offer what we want I'd snatch their hand off and let the tosser find his level with a club with only a 46-year history, and European success no better than ours.

Phil Bellis
99 Posted 22/06/2016 at 01:43:21
Andy....T G Jones ?
Steve Bingham
101 Posted 22/06/2016 at 02:52:42
Him , his father and his super agent ... Total Wombles ... Whack him in the reserves for a couple of months or better still get shut of the walking talking ego and his entourage!
Francis Gibson
102 Posted 22/06/2016 at 03:43:46
If he does stay, what's to say we won't be going through these media shenanigans every year if we don't achieve to his satisfaction?

Apparently I'm in the minority, but I'm well and truly put off by the player, and his disrespect of the club these past few months is a bridge too far for me. As talented as he is, I don't feel like making this a yearly drama.


David Barks
103 Posted 22/06/2016 at 04:08:40
Francis,

Welcome to reality. If you want Everton to be a club expected to compete at the top, then we will go through this exact thing every year that we do not reach expectations. That's what happens at City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea if they finish mid table of bottom half in consecutive years.

If Mahrez, Vardy and Kante stay at Leicester this season, and they finished 10th, those players will be off that summer. Chelsea don't allow that to happen, sacking Mourinho mid season after winning the title because they know that they must let those key players know that mediocrity is not accepted. I will guarantee you that a few of those players will seek moves this summer anyway, to get Champions League football, and if for some reason they finished mid table again next season and missed out on Europe they would be off.

De Gea made all those noises, and said if Van Gaal stayed he would go because he didn't believe they'd achieve anything with him. It's only because they got Mourinho that he said he wants to stay, because he believes they will challenge for he title next season and will be back in the Champions League the next. Do you see United supporters screaming how he disgraced their club? Of course not, and we need to get the fuck on board with that mentality as well if we want to really be competing with them. Because right now, all this shit about his wages, and disrespect for thinking about moving to a bigger club to win trophies, that is small club thinking that needs to stop. We should be saying to hell with wage structures, we need to pay the going rate. And we don't just send off our top goal scorer, we should build around that to bring in more goal scorers, more creative players, that will only improve our team.

Jesus people, think big for once, because for the first time since the 80's we have a Board that is apparently thinking bigger than a large number of our fan base. Or at least a decent number of people on here.

Ernie Baywood
104 Posted 22/06/2016 at 04:28:14
I struggle to be too critical of Rom. He wants better opportunities and maybe more money. So do I, so do most of you, so did Ronald Koeman. If we convince Rom he can get some or all of that with us then he probably stays.

My only issue is his statements. I don't expect loyalty but a bit of respect and decency would be nice. That said, there are plenty of things I look for in a striker ahead of manners.

So basically, let's just see who's wearing blue in August.

Jay Harris
105 Posted 22/06/2016 at 04:58:54
David you are making the same assumption as Lukaku.

You are putting him on a platter with the likes of De Gea, Hazard etc who are already world class players.

Lukaku is a legend in his own mind and needs to stop disrespecting the club, the fans and his team mates by suggesting EFC is below him.

I understand he can score goals but he is certainly not a world class player and the way I see it he may well be the toxicity in the dressing room.

I would sooner share the goals amongst top class MF players and a CF who can hold up play and bring his team mates into play than feed this egotistical prick (and I have never felt that about any EFC player in 56 years supporting them) every ball he wants so he can bask in the glory.

Darren Hind
106 Posted 22/06/2016 at 05:22:38
Andy,

Everything in these relentless Lukaku must stay/go threads is conjecture, surely?

I don't not rate Lukaku, on the contrary, I just said nobody would pay the sort of money which was being spoken about here. Nowhere near. I also said he was not out of the very top draw and the big boys will not come calling... that doesn't mean he cant be.

I think (conjecture again) that this is the beginning of the face-saving exercise I have spoken about., Its bollocks to suggest nobody can afford him, every team in the Premier League could.

Nobody has come in for him, that alone may be a salutary lesson to him, his gobby arl fella and the greedy fucker who represents him. Could be good news all round.

Francis Gibson
108 Posted 22/06/2016 at 06:30:09
David #103

Yes, I understand that top players move from underperforming clubs, and additionally they and their people speak to the press. Believe it or not, I was aware of it prior to reading that condescending little lecture of yours directed at me up there.

What I do have a problem with - and what makes up the whole of my short comment - is that I don't have the patience for what the player, his agent, and his father have said with respect to the club in public, and that I don't wish to go through it again. "Media shenanigans" is how I've put it. I've also acknowledged I'm clearly in the minority feeling this way, but I've found it unpleasant and tiresome. I'm not going to change my thoughts on that, even if it means I can't be "welcome(d) to reality." Oh well.

For the record, I don't agree with your implied assertion that a top club like City, United, Arsenal, Chelsea, et al would routinely tolerate a player's protracted mouthing off the way Everton has with Lukaku this post-season as simply one of the costs of being a top club. My opinion is that they (the top club) would make an attempt to put an end to the public commentary, or at the very least issue a statement on the matter, as United did with De Gea (whom you've used as your example.)

So, there's a "mentality" I could "get the fuck on board" with. As for the rest of what you've 'responded' at me, I didn't write anything that would've warranted that protracted reply. You can direct it all at someone else. Cheers.

David Barks
109 Posted 22/06/2016 at 06:49:15
Cheers to you Francis. I suppose you haven't paid attention to the past couple of years of Toure at City, with drama even being brought up by a birthday cake or lack thereof. And as for De Gea, they actually gave in and were selling him, only failing due to paperwork being late "mysteriously". Not exactly a hard line stance.

Arsenal lost Van Persie, who went to their rivals United because he wanted to win. Not for money or comfort, as I'm sure he preferred his home in London to Manchester. Sagna, Clichy, Nasri, Fabregas, all left Arsenal to actually go for league titles and not just settle for top 4 finishes. As did Sterling, Suarez, Alonso, Mascherano leave our neighbors.

Lukaku scored 25 goals last season. He wasn't average, wasn't subpar. What he saw was a club that was willing to settle for a poor manager leading the club to back to back horrible finishes. So he was thinking of what the right move for his career was, while we were without a manager. And don't forget that our current manager left his previous club "disrespecting" them. So if your stance is that it's ok when others do it to our benefit, but how dare anyone thing about leaving us!!!? Well, that's what I'm saying you might want to try to move on from.

Because if another player, like Payet for example, said he was really impressed by what Everton is trying to do and sees us as challenging for trophies and not West Ham, you'd be celebrating that. If he said he wanted to come here to take the next step and be part of challenging for trophies, you'd be thrilled. That's what we did to get our new manager. And that's what we're going to have to do to get the players we want in the future. So all I'm saying is, face the reality of the situation of why he was feeling the way he was, and maybe why his agent is saying something a little different now.

Daniel Lawrence
110 Posted 22/06/2016 at 07:39:04
Sky asking Eden Hazard if he'd like to link up with Lukaku at Chrlsea, next season... ..they really take the p1ss.
Why don't you ask him if he fancies linking up with him at Goodison you clowns...?!
Mike Green
111 Posted 22/06/2016 at 08:00:13
Francis #102 - I completely agree. I wonder what Alex Ferguson would think of it all.....?
Duncan McDine
112 Posted 22/06/2016 at 08:32:00
You could add Bayern to the list of clubs able to afford him, but he's not good enough for them or the two Spanish giants. PSG is the most realistic along with two or three PL clubs.

Its dissapointing how our 3 potentially world class talents (Ross, Stones, Lukaku) had poor seasons in general. As much as I dislike his attitude though, you'd have to say that Lukaku actually had the better season of the three.

Colin Glassar
113 Posted 22/06/2016 at 08:40:31
Daniel 110, Paul Merson said on talkcrap yesterday that Arsenal should go for Lukaku, this was picked up by every pisspoor website in the world and has now leaked into the mainstream media. So it's now a given, at least to sky, that Lukaku is off.

It's journalism of the poorest type but they, like us, live off gossip and hearsay. Rom will stay for several reasons and be successful at Everton. I'm convinced of that.

Jonathan Fletcher
114 Posted 22/06/2016 at 08:49:09
I don't see how we can reward his recent behaviour and comments with an improved contract.

Especially considering his efforts in the last 10 matches of the season. I'm still fuming about the FA Cup!

I don't want to be one of those classless new money clubs with gobby players like this. I know that risks not winning anything but I want to win the Everton way - with dignity.

Steve Foster
115 Posted 22/06/2016 at 08:56:44
Daniel #110

You know what, you maybe on to something there. I thought/dreamt this yesterday. Why not?

We need a statement signing, why not go for Hazard from Chelsea? Would keep Lukaku happy and be a statement of intent.

As for Rom and the last 10 games. Maybe there is another side to it. Not saying he didn't cost us. But maybe he was the main one to spit his dummy out with the old regime? I mean who did perform well in the later part of the season? Maybe the big lad shown his discontent in his performances.

I'd love to keep him, let RK try and get something out of him, fulfill his potential.

Not to sure about a new contract though. Only way I would go for this if it has a set buy out clause. Then if it is met, then move along, no more of this Dad/Agent bullshit.

Dave Abrahams
116 Posted 22/06/2016 at 09:32:32
Francis 102and 108, good posts, I don't think you are in the minority of Evertonians who think the way you do about Lukaku.

To me he is a good goal scorer but a puddin' of a footballer, he will always score goals but I doubt he will improve as a footballer. In the words of an old Scouse saying " He has the making of a fine big lazy bastard".

Andy Meighan
117 Posted 22/06/2016 at 09:35:45
Which roughly translated means: "I cant see no big club coming in for me so, if I stay here, I'm getting a pay rise." Who does this imposter think he is, playing judge and jury with our great club?

Personally, I'm sick to death of him and his stinking attitude. I'm praying that someone gives us at least £45 mil for him but I won't hold my breath.

If he were to stay, I swear to god I'd never get out my seat if he scored another goal for us. And I mean that.

Damian Wilde
118 Posted 22/06/2016 at 10:33:18
David, so you think it's fine for Rom to mouth off all the time? Ffs.

On another note, read this, our manager is well thought of:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/Evertons-new-manager-ronald-koeman-11465838

Denis Richardson
119 Posted 22/06/2016 at 10:47:36
Smacks of two things to me;

A) The presumed long list of 'big' clubs queing up to sign him was just a dream and there have not actually been any, and,

B) With the new owner he (plus agent) can now see himself getting a massive pay rise.

Sorry to be cynical but this guy has been going on about playing for a CL club for at least 2 years and all of a sudden he 'might stay' and this coincidentally when we have a lot more money?

He has great potential but his attitute leaves a lot to be desired - I'd happily get rid and bring in a player even of lesser quality but who will give 100% and not mouth off the whole time.

Also he signed a FIVE year contract in 2014 so still has 3 years left on it - why would we offer him another contract for over 100k/week? If he's not happy on 75k/week he can bugger off to......oh, erm, yeh that''l be no one.

Phil Walling
120 Posted 22/06/2016 at 11:07:06
Jonathan @114; I respect your desire to see Everton 'win with dignity' but, in truth few of us are happy to see us lose - with or without it !

There's not much dignity with Chelsea, Man City and even their lofty neighbours these days as the focus is firmly on success, success, success. Much as I abhorred the appointment of Martinez, he always struck me as a man of dignity even if he did insist on insulting our intelligence.

Dignity does not enter into it with me - I'm anxious to start winning !

Terry Underwood
121 Posted 22/06/2016 at 11:47:06
No, No, No.... this guy is toxic and devisive, must go. If he does stay, I will vomit if I see him kissing the badge, even after scoring the winning cup final goal against the RS
Phil Walling
122 Posted 22/06/2016 at 12:00:07
Hey, Terry, you'll be devising 'fit and proper person' test for Everton players before long !

Romelu, like all the players is just a functionary - a tool in the box - not someone we have to love or hate. Let the very highly paid manager earn his money by managing him to a 30 goal season. Toxic or not.

Tony Waring
123 Posted 22/06/2016 at 12:07:36
He scores goals.....more than any other Everton striker for years. He's 23 years of age...........and like most 23 year-olds is capable of talking a load of crap . Arl fellas like me generally manage to ignore the failings of youth because we all went through it ourselves. Keep him and let RK improve him. We need the goals if we are to qualify for Europe.
Daniel A Johnson
124 Posted 22/06/2016 at 12:10:01
To be fair to Lukaku stay at Everton under

Martinez/Kenwright

or

Koeman/Moshiri

I'm not surprised he may now want to stay

Michael Polley
125 Posted 22/06/2016 at 12:51:00
I didn't like his comments over the last few weeks about wanting to move when he is still under a long term contract with us, but I want him to stay. With Koeman and Moshiri now in charge, he may well change his mind and show some commitment for next season.

Everton are on the verge of a new era, we all hope, and I think he should be a part of that. Plus a nice pay rise will help persuade him to stay. After all, that's what football is all about in the current environment.

Peter Roberts
127 Posted 22/06/2016 at 13:29:39
Hows about this for a project....

Learn to control a ball, learn how to time a jump, learn how to use your size and shut your trap.

As for a few of you on here, I worry for your state when we do actually get a world class player here. I mean in all seriousness your have indulged this lad with all sorts of excuses just because hes scored a few more goals than our previous bargain bucket strikers. Get some bloody pride.

Dennis Stevens
128 Posted 22/06/2016 at 13:52:38
Brian Wilkinson [#78], I was responding to Trevor's post regarding the impact of Lukaku's goals saving us from relegation & pointing out that without them we would still have survived - just. Trevor did not suggest Lukaku would not have played in those matches so I did not speculate on that, I merely addressed his point about the significance of Lukaku's goals - i.e. What if Lukaku had missed & not scored those goals?
Jay Harris
129 Posted 22/06/2016 at 14:24:06
One question I would like to pose.

Would Lukaku have scored that many goals if we werent an all out gung ho attacking side under RM.

In addition Lukaku caused a number of goals against with his poor ball control leading the opposition to break away and score.

He may be able to score goals but he is far from being a 65m striker who deserves over 100k per week.

Terry McLavey
130 Posted 22/06/2016 at 14:34:36
The damage is done, Rom, how dare you backtrack!

Are you doing this for you or Everton? ... I think we know that answer.

We deserve better, perhaps your agent is getting sweaty because no-one wants you!

Why don't you both slither under that stone and take your dad with you!

NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM

You and your crew wouldn't understand!

Tom Bowers
131 Posted 22/06/2016 at 14:39:22
I have some doubt about how Rom will perform this next season if he is 'persuaded to stay' so to speak.
He is obviously concerned about moving to a club that is in Champions league and if that doesn't happen then Everton may have had to pay a price in more than one way.
The example is John Stones who had a very indifferent season after all the talk of moving to Chelski.
Both these players will fetch tidy fortunes and it may be prudent to cash in now.
The alternative is to ''sweeten their deals'' and hope they can both have an impressive season at Goodison not just next season but for years to come.
It's really a catch 22 situation.
Mike Allison
132 Posted 22/06/2016 at 14:40:53
Jay, we weren't an all out gung-ho attacking side. Not even close.

We were kind of the opposite, a passive possession, 'fanny around with it at the back til everyone's bored' kind of team who didn't pass it forwards anywhere near often enough. Lukaku scored those goals despite our playing style, not because of it. We didn't even attempt to utilise set-pieces properly.

Some people are desperate to criticise him as a player, but it's just becoming clearer and clearer that you're losing that argument. You are trying to rationalise an emotional reaction. Stop trying. Dislike him for wanting to leave if you like, but don't turn that into a 'she was shit in bed anyway' reaction to being dumped by your girlfriend.

(Apologies to anyone who has just been dumped by their girlfriend).

(Or is shit in bed).

Mike Allison
133 Posted 22/06/2016 at 14:48:58
So Terry you seem to be saying that your personal emotional reaction to some interviews is more important to you than us beating Liverpool in the Cup Final? Have I read that right?

There is literally nothing Lukaku could do to override the heinous evil he has perpetrated? Or are you prone to hyperbolic overreactions?

Perhaps you just wanted some attention for having said the most extreme and ridiculous anti-Lukaku thing on this thread?

If Steven Gerrard scored the winner for Everton against Liverpool in the Cup Final I think I could handle a little badge kiss.

Peter Roberts
134 Posted 22/06/2016 at 14:52:05
Can someone please tell me what makes him so valuable in their eyes???

Last season he had at least 6 goals put on a 6 yard plate for him by deulofeu. A few tidy finishes in the box, a couple of one on ones and of course his goal against chelsea plus a few pennos of which he missed two vital ones.

What did he actually do for the team? I tell you what he did was make pathetic junior level runs which henry picked up on against italy. He moaned, skulked, gave the ball away.

He is the most over rated player I have seen play for Everton. I cant wait to see him go to watch his journey to the chinese or turkish leagues.

Mike Allison
135 Posted 22/06/2016 at 14:58:08
Three question marks? Things are getting desperate.

He scored goals Peter. You know that thing that football is about, he also created quite a few as well.

What's that you say? His goals don't count because his teammates helped him score them? Shit, I hadn't thought of that, good point.

William Cartwright
136 Posted 22/06/2016 at 15:02:23
Ian (60) . . . . . .

An Arsenal drinking friend of mine summed up the Club's attitude in one word - 'Parsimonious'. They definitely have an attitude unique to them selves. They have acted with great business wisdom over the years and have amassed a solid commercial base with a great stadium and respectful traditions.

However they have a group of shareholders who lack the willingness to invest risk capital. This is what makes Moshiri so interesting. I sense he is quite a remarkable man:-

1. Self made billionaire; nuff said.
2. Genuinely loves football and appreciates the footy side of things.
3. As a super smart businessman he is applying great business tactics so well suited to the current football dynamic. High risk investment into a specialized, volatile but positive market.
4. He identified the importance of the manager and persued his goal and landed him.
5. Absolutely discreet but not in a shy, hermit like way. You get the feeling that he is pulling all the strings and that BK for example is jumping to his every command.
6. He did not grant RM an audience before he was dismissed. No need to, Why should he.
7. His representative on the board seems a suave, savvy guy who's recent interview gave the perfect, almost too scripted summary of the management's feelings for the identity of the people's club.
8.
Will probably not get drawn into a meeting with Rom, who the hell does he think he is assuming he will talk with the Chairman before he decides what to do!
9.
Koeman's appointment has more behind it than I appreciated and I will be fascinated to see who the new Director of Football will be. He will not necessarily be a media darling because that isn't relevant, but he will be a proven entity.
10.
Nothing brash about the guy, but he is a definitely a diplomat and a doer and I am waiting to see a championship quality side pushing the boat out further than we can imagine. We have some staggering quality talent on the books, which if managed and marketed correctly will pay dividends big time and he knows this. I believe it was one of the drivers behind his decision to invest. The others being the essential quality of the Club and its fan base. We all agree Everton are a sleeping giant and what is that really? Its a massive commercial opportunity.
11.
Does he see the new stadium as a drawback? Absolutely not. It is a developers dream opportunity. Instant magnet draw to raise the land values around so currently under negotiation will be land take and resultant rising land values around. Docks, water, room to expand all the ingredients for success.

for the ironic among us, a big thanks to Bill and Roberto for in a weird way helping this to become a really potential reality.
11.
The marquee signing is exactly the right approach, quality and not quantity.

Andy Walker
137 Posted 22/06/2016 at 15:18:31
Peter he's scored lots of goals every year not just last season. You imply that a fair few of his goals last season aren't really down to him, presumably you didn't rate Linekar or Latchford either.

Perhaps you could list the other current EPL centre forwards that you think are better than him? I doubt it.

The problem with your black and white view is that your natural prejudice against Lukaku means you just have to try and make up any old argument however lacking in credibility it may be, although you were notably absent after Lukaku's recent brace.

A balanced opinion is perhaps that Lukaku does go missing some games, but then again nearly all strikers do, just look at Vardy and Kane. His first touch can be terrible, but when he's on his game he's unplayable, pace, power, skill, with a powerful shot and good finisher. We all have good as well as not so good traits. The market will reflect his value and if he leaves it won't be for the value of a player that's aligned to your frankly ridiculous assertion that he's the most overrated player to ever play for Everton.

Andy Walker
138 Posted 22/06/2016 at 15:31:36
Just to add further, Peter Roberts, you clearly have some sort of an agenda. Lukaku stinks the place out in Belgium's first game, you post 9 times on the related TW thread, you could hardly hide your glee.

Lukaku has a good game in their second match and scores twice and guess what, no posts at all from you.

You are a positional poster in my opinion who's dead set on only ever posting one side of the argument. As I say black and white and too simplistic I'm afraid.

Jay Harris
139 Posted 22/06/2016 at 15:32:20
Mike
you are obviously a big fan of Rom but I would like to take issue with your claims.

"Jay, we weren't an all out gung-ho attacking side. Not even close."

We were the 7th highest scorers in the Prem despite an abysmal season scoring 6 less than Arsenal and 10 more than Man Utd.

"Some people are desperate to criticise him as a player, but it's just becoming clearer and clearer that you're losing that argument"

On what basis do you make that claim. As far as I can see it the majority of posters do not rate his ball control, heading or work rate.

"Dislike him for wanting to leave if you like, but don't turn that into a 'she was shit in bed anyway' reaction to being dumped by your girlfriend."

If you check my posts you will see I criticised Lukaku long before he was trying to talk himself to another club.

This site is a site for opinions not a battle for supremacy. I understand you rate Lukaku and do not want him to go but many of us feel we deserve better.

Damian Wilde
141 Posted 22/06/2016 at 15:46:16
You can't say Everton with their slow sideways passing approach were an attacking side.

On a side note, a book my friend wrote, a must for any Evertonian:

http://www.decoubertin.co.uk/here-we-go-Everton-in-the-1980s-the-players-stories/

Mike Allison
142 Posted 22/06/2016 at 15:48:23
There is no-one better and available. Look at Mark Frere's piece on the goalscoring in the top European leagues.

I'm not trying to achieve supremacy, just common sense. Many TWers seem determined to cut off their noses to spite their faces, I'm very keen to persuade them otherwise.

And we were not a gung-ho attacking side. We passed it backwards and sideways far more often than we passed it forwards. If we'd been a gung-ho attacking side, we'd have been a lot happier as a fan base. Much of the criticism of Martinez was based on always having two defensive midfielders and not showing attacking intent when in possession.

Could it be that we scored so many goals because we had... Hang on a minute...

No. It couldn't be that.

Could it?

Eric Holland
143 Posted 22/06/2016 at 16:09:44

I haven't seen many names banded about for our new super striker who is going to replace Rom!!!
You know the one who has perfect control and can head the ball like a leaping salmon, never misses a penalty, will play for buttons, and has supported Everton all his life, ooh and will score 25 goals a season even in a shit team with a shit manager.
PS and if he even thinks of looking at ambitions of playing in the champions league fuck him off the traitor.

So names please of the strikers who are going to be queuing up to jump on the Everton bandwagon and fill all the criteria above.

Peter Roberts
144 Posted 22/06/2016 at 16:15:05
Apologies for not posting in his 2 goal romp over ROI, I was away in the sticks the weekend and didnt see any football but caught the clips of his goals. Nice to know my absence was missed.

Certainly lives up to his flat track bully form. Maybe if we can play villa, swansea, sunderland, newcastle every week then he will be worth keeping. Maybe belguim can bring him out for nations ranked lower than 20th so he can boost his goals.

Nothing more being said than the usual. Just fan boys desperate to see the club lower itself to hope we can keep this over rated egotistical gob on legs. Its nothing personal against Rom... ive always seen him as someone who thinks hes better than us... the fact os hes showing his true colours.

Peter Roberts
145 Posted 22/06/2016 at 16:18:55
All we need is 10 players far better than anyone else so that we can get the ball to Rom in the box when hes not being marked... I just hope these goals kid the likes of PSG like they kid some of our Romelu F.C fans.
David Barks
146 Posted 22/06/2016 at 16:42:44
Yeah Peter,

Because those two goals against Chelsea were scored by the other 10 players in an Everton shirt being better than Chelsea, right? Same goes for the goal against City, and the goals against West Ham, Southampton, Liverpool.

The only way he scored was by the other 10 players doing all the work, absolutely mate. Same goes for all the goals he set up. It's amazing that the opposition didn't pick up on that and just leave him unmarked and focus on our immense attacking threats of McCarthy, Lennon, Cleverly and Barry. Now that's some shocking management by the opposition. How couldn't they have sussed that out, those idiots. I mean, it's not as if for much of the season Lukaku was left up top on his own, with no real attacking support, and somehow still managed to score 25 goals in a side that was instructed to spend most of the match passing it sideways and backward.

Rob Halligan
147 Posted 22/06/2016 at 17:08:02
New goalkeeper coach now added to this "new project".......................

Everton Football Club has agreed a deal to appoint Patrick Lodewijks as first-team goalkeeping coach.

The 49-year-old is set to join Ronald Koeman's backroom team from Feyenoord on completion of the necessary paperwork.

Lodewijks previously worked alongside the new Blues manager during his time at the helm of the Eredivisie side.............................

All we need now is a new goalkeeper or two for him to coach!!

Damian Wilde
148 Posted 22/06/2016 at 17:09:06
Eric, the main thing is having some respect for the club (or at least appearing to have), why do some people not get this ffs? No problem with him having ambition, but he communicates this in the wrong way; are you familiar with the saying 'it's not what you say, but the way that you say it'?.

The reason why people highlight his deficiencies is because he arrogantly makes out he is 'perfect', when he is clearly not (e.g. poor conttol, poor peno taker) and his attitude could be better (laziness at times, especially last 10 games).

If you don't get why people are annoyed with him, you don't understand Evertonians.

I also dislike the irritate 'tell me who we should get'!!!! rants. A long time ago when I told people I knew 'Martinez out' one buffoon kept saying to me 'but who would you replace him with??!' My answer 'not my job, all I know is I want him out'.

People do not have to suggest a replacement. The kid can score goals. If he kept his mouth shut and put in more effort and had control lessons, he could be scoring 30-40 and be loved. If he wants yo go as we're a turd on his shoe - he can do one, I have more self respect, do you?

Paul Mackie
149 Posted 22/06/2016 at 17:21:10
Damian (148) "The reason why people highlight his deficiencies is because he arrogantly makes out he is 'perfect'"

When has he ever said that? I've seen plenty of interviews where he talks about needing to work on weaknesses in his game but never one where he professes to be perfect.

Brent Stephens
150 Posted 22/06/2016 at 18:00:50
Happy to be corrected but has Rom actually said anything to directly, explicitly criticise our club? Can't be arsed to look up all he's said but I got the impression he was talking more about wanting to move on to another club where he can get to play in Europe. Is that why there is annoyance? Not the first to have wanted or said that sort of thing, I guess.

I'm one of those who'd be happy to see him stay and bang them in at the same rate he's done so far (with a crap team support for him on the pitch so far).

Jackie Barry
151 Posted 22/06/2016 at 18:09:23
I have never seen an actual interview where he said anything to be honest. It's all newspaper interviews which you take in whichever way you want.
Jack Plant
152 Posted 22/06/2016 at 18:14:21
Peter 144, Rom has scored for us against Chelsea, City, Liverpool and Arsenal. He isn't perfect but he isn't a flat track bully
James Hughes
153 Posted 22/06/2016 at 18:19:37
Brent , he hasn't directly said anything detrimental about us. He has just alluded to the desire to play for bigger clubs, which I have found disrespectful.
His desire to win trophies, which we all want, but he sees the need to move away to achieve that goal. well documented on TW is how his performance in the semi prevented that last season.

IMO he seems to think he is bigger and better than EFC. which is a BIG mistake. Plus some of his efforts last season on the pitch left a lot to be desired by many.

Dave Abrahams
154 Posted 22/06/2016 at 18:33:45
He really doesn't have to say a word anywhere or to anyone his body language says plenty when things are not going his way, and that happens too much even if once or twice is enough.
Jackie Barry
155 Posted 22/06/2016 at 18:42:48
His body language, what about the whole teams body language. A little unfair to point the finger solely at Lukaku I think when pretty much the whole team was not happy. Think about it this way, you are banging on the goals one end while at the other end the team can't defend for toffee. It can't have been very easy to watch. Yes I agree he looked not bothered quite a bit but blimey the whole atmosphere at Everton was off putting. Now there is a sense of direction, purpose that brings a whiff of excitement to the table, maybe he s feeling it.
Peter Roberts
156 Posted 22/06/2016 at 18:57:46
Nothing like stats is there...

He is on 60 goals in 132 Premier League games since 2012.

However, of those 60 only 11 have came against the Premier League's usual top six, in this case Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham.

Take away his WBA goals and they are more damning.

Jackie Barry
157 Posted 22/06/2016 at 18:59:37
Still premier league goals though and our most prolific striker in many years.
Colin Glassar
158 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:04:39
Surround him with top class talent like Perisic, Witsel and Wijnaldum and the goals will flow.
Eric Holland
159 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:05:10
Eric, the main thing is having some respect for the club.

Damian, No it isn't...

The main thing is for him to score as many goals as he can for Everton
full stop I don't care what him or his agent/father says as long as he does the job he is paid to do, and being a striker that is to score goals.
Which he does better than any striker we have had in the last 30 years, unless you know something to the contrary?

Still waiting for the names of the Strikers who are far superior and begging for us to go sign them up!!!!
Names please?????????????????????

Patrick Murphy
160 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:05:57
A striker is there to score goals against whichever teams he comes up against, I'm sure that Dixie, Sharp, Royle, Latchford et al all scored their fair share of goals against the so called minnows. Goals scored against the modern day self-titled elite don't count double, therefore the number of top flight goals scored by any player against any opposition is the only way to judge a goalscorers record.
Jackie Barry
161 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:12:23
Lukaku's goal scoring record simply isn't up for debate. The statistics show in that aspect he is very good. If he stays and continues scoring that for me is what matters. Big Dunc a legend to many simply isn't so because of his goal scoring, it's based on his love for the club and his hardman attitude. Loving the club is all well and good but it doesn't make you a fantastic player on the ability side.
Peter Roberts
162 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:13:13
Hmmm... now lets look at his opponents.

Free transfer jermaine beckford
£4m jelavic
Home grown anichebe
Loanee landon donovan
Loanee denis straq
Loanee Jo
Free transfer injured Saha
£10 yak (better player imo)
£6m AJ
£6m beattie

I mean I could go on and on way back to 35 year old Mark Hughes, John Spencer. But maybe we should look at the £28m romelu lukaku who cost more than all of those player combined before we start get excited about his average of 14 prem league goals in his 3 seasons here.

David Barks
163 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:13:56
So I guess Ronaldo and Messi should also only have goals counted scored against either Real Madrid, Atletico and Barcelona too, right? I mean, that's all that matters, it's not as if all the matches against West Ham, Southampton, Leicester have any impact or are of importance.

The funny thing is, if it was the other way around and all his goals were scored against those clubs and he failed to score against the rest of he league, these same exact people would be on here slating him. I can just see all the comments "only performs when he wants to", "only working hard in those matches for the shop window", "he's just trying to earn a move, he can't be arsed in the majority of the games", "those don't matter, we're not competing against those sides. He needs to be scoring against the West Hams and Southamptons as those are the club's we need to finish above".

Eric Holland
164 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:15:46
Like someone said earlier show me where he has said something disrespectful about the club?
Post me the links where he is spouting off about how shit we are and how he hates Everton?
If he is going to be sold because a few people think he is a loudmouth I want a replacement in FIRST...
Aguero, Kane, Suarez maybe? But are they that much superior to him in the main statistic of scoring consistently in the premier league?
And do you think they would come to us?
You bet they wont!!
David Barks
165 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:16:41
And we're only counting Prem goals now? Not FA Cup, Europe? Just premier league. Ok, got it.
Jackie Barry
166 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:17:23
His opponents don't matter Peter, compare him to others for his age at other clubs if you want. His goal scoring record still stands up. I don't like his attitude either but he can and does score goals.
Eric Holland
167 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:17:45
Go on then Peter who shall we replace him with???
Stop answering questions with questions.
Jackie Barry
168 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:21:03
Yak a better player? Your having a laugh. Don't get me wrong I loved the Yak, but he wasn't as good as Lukaku is at the age of 23
Alan Bodell
169 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:21:16
As an ex-serviceman we had a saying that says ' You don't shit in your own mess-kit' and this so called superstar (in his and his agents' head) and done that time and time again.
I've followed Everton since the early sixties and never disliked any player more than this egoist that I'm sure is an unsettling influence in our dressing room.
Hope he scores loads in the euros to get top dollar and then fucks off to somewhere I couldn't give a fuck too.
Brent Stephens
170 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:21:52
James #153 "He has just alluded to the desire to play for bigger clubs, which I have found disrespectful."

I'm not looking to pick an argument just to be clear on exactly what he's said. And I do think there's some disrespect in coming out and saying he wants away. But I don't know if he said those other clubs are bigger (or you think they are bigger?). I suppose if those clubs are in Europe next season, then by definition they are bigger than us at the moment (it won't last!).

"IMO he seems to think he is bigger and better than EFC". Again, are we just projecting those words and sentiments onto him, putting a different twist on them? One man can't be bigger or better than a whole club.

I have a feeling that those sorts of words and phrases are not what he might have said, but might have been used on here to express our displeasure at him saying he wants to go, and then those words and phrases take on a life of their own, as if he actually said them and people attack him for things he might not have said.
As I say, I'm not sure what he's actually said.

Ian Riley
171 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:22:06
For the first time in a long time Everton don't need the money. Realisation from the agent that unless a substantial bid comes in, rom is going nowhere. Might have his name on my shirt next season with 3 years left!!!
Jackie Barry
172 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:27:48
Well disrespectful or not he has ambition which is what a lot of us supporters have been begging for, for years.
Eric Holland
173 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:29:57
Hmmm... now lets look at his opponents. Yes Peter lets..
How about all the other great premier league signings that where so much better value for money...
Shevchenko 㿊m ha ha
Roberto Soldado 㿉m Don't make me laugh..
Andy Carrol 㿏m say no more.
Sergei Rebrov, nope.
Torres to Chelski 㿞m omg.
Dzeko, Bony,
I bet there are a few more names out there.


Dan Davies
174 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:39:01
As much as I don't like him and his agent craving attention from the media quite frequently and somewhat disrespecting Everton, the lad scores goals.

Strikers are paid to hit the net and like him or loathe him he scores goals simple. If we are to replace him then we need his replacement at Goodison before we do.

I also think the journo's tend to ask him alot of leading questions which lead to him stating his ambitions, which pisses us off, but gives them something to write about. Eden Hazard for example being asked whether he'd like Lukaku at Chelsea next season, I mean c'mon!

I'd keep him but if he was sold for a hefty profit and we got a couple of good strikers out of it, so be it. A couple of dangerous goal scoring midfielders to chip in might help too.

Andrew Yates
175 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:40:24
@Eric 143 we need to get Jon Walters from Stoke......
Peter Roberts
176 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:43:09
Are you having a laugh Eric??? I have answered a statement saying hes our best striker in years.... debatable vs yak imo but look at the kip of the rest. I couldnt care what others spend on players, I just hope one of them will be stupid enough to blow £50m on lukaku.

Jackie he has been playing professional football for 7 years... he still cant trap a ball and realistically he will be done by 28 like most who play alot at a young age.

Listen, youve all fallen in love with someone that never loved you. The thing is you just cant see what a few of us can.... hes just not that good, get over it. Your support of him despite his disrespect is embarrassing.

Eric Holland
177 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:44:29
Andrew Yes !!! Hard working, traps a ball, heads like a leaping salmon, Scores loads of goals err!! well maybe not Haha.
PS I know you where joking but at least you gave me a name....
Brent Stephens
178 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:47:00
" he will be done by 28 like most who play a lot at a young age."

I'm intrigued. Most who play a lot at a young age are finished by 28?! Strewth! Never realised that!

Eric Holland
179 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:48:25
Are you having a laugh Peter?
for the final time Who is there that would come to us that you think will do better??
Still waiting for the links where he is slagging us off!!
Or is it all in your mind,is it all in your mind, is it all in your miiinnnddddd Hah-aha.
Eric Holland
180 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:49:40
Brent it is all in his mind ha ha
Maybe he will give us some examples?

The Yak maybe?

Colin Glassar
181 Posted 22/06/2016 at 19:51:48
Keep digging Peter.
Sam Hoare
183 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:01:57
Eric, I'm keen for Lukaku to stay but there are other strikers. Zaza, Slimani, Milik, Klassen, Lacazette, Pelle, Embolo, Benteke, Berardi, Berahino, Bacca, Higuain, Aubameyang, Aboubakar.

Some out of reach, some risky and some needing to rediscover form. Who knows if they'd do better than Lukaku? But there are options out there...

Dave Abrahams
184 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:09:42
All the fans who are supporting Lukaku, how many of you honestly think he wants to play for Everton?.
Paul Olsen
185 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:17:30
# Dave 184

All of you who call for his head. How many of you honestly want us to win something in a not too distant future?

By your logic Real should sell Ronaldo every damned summer. Lukaku is ambitious and we have been horrible for two straight seasons, no use blaming him because he has done his bit in terms of goals.

I´d rather we´d get rid of the huge amount of passengers in our squad. Gibson, Konè, McGeady, McCarthy, Niasse. Those are the players we need rid of, not Lukaku

Ian Hams
186 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:24:56
Likely ,for all his faults, has suffered from not having another striker to take up some of the slack this year.

Apart from maybe Spurs with Kane what other team were so reliant on one man, and there for looked so toothless when that one man was not on fire.

Dave Abrahams
187 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:31:30
Paul I am an avid Everton fan, so that should answer your question, again do you personally think Lukaku wants to play for Everton, seems to me Ronaldo is more than happy to finish his career with Real Madrid, but I'm not interested in Ronaldo. I've just asked a very simple question.
Ian Hams
188 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:31:43
First word should read Lukaku

Andy Walker
189 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:33:11
Peter 156, I do miss it when you aren't here to post your diatribes, you always make me chuckle. By the way sorry to hear of you wifi problems in Skem.

Would it come as a surprise to know that the top clubs do not concede as many goals because their teams are stronger and win more matches? Are you suggesting that other strikers that play for teams outside the top 6 score the same proportion of their goals against the top 6 as they do against the rest of the teams?

There will always be a bias over any significant statitistical period of time of strikers scoring more goals against lower teams than top teams. But that's obvious isn't it.

I see you haven't posted any names of other current EPL strikers that you think are better than Lukaku. Ah wait, you probably won't be able to get a wifi signal.....

Mike Allison
190 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:38:31
Peter, even your own statistic is reasonable on Rom.

11/60 of his goals come against the top 6/19 clubs.

That's a fair ratio, all strikers score more against the weaker teams. I hope it didn't take you very long to research that.

Some very odd arguments on here. Somehow wanting Rom to stay is to lack self-respect now! No, plenty of self-respect, which is why I'm not so insecure as to be so upset by him saying he wants to win trophies and play in the Champions League. In fact, I have do much self-respect for our club that I want all our players to want that.

Again, Mark Frere compiled a list of all the top scorers in the other six biggest European Leagues, somebody please pick a name from his list. There is no-one. 'Someone else' doesn't exist.

Rom wants to play for anyone who is in the Champions League and is competing to win trophies, so let's get in the Champions League and compete to win trophies and stop crying and stamping out feet.

Andy Walker
191 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:49:18
Dave 187 it's not quite as simple as that is it. Think about it, how many players in any EPL team are playing for their number 1 choice of team?

Most will be playing for teams because their agents have negotiated what they believe are the best deals for their players with these teams. Let's face it most are from overseas and have no real alligence to their club but they are professionals and get on with doing their best for the club that pays them, in the main.

So a much more realistic question perhaps is how many players including Lukaku, are happy to play for Everton. I strongly suspect that almost every EPL player given a free choice will 'want' to play for one of the top 6 EPL clubs, or another leading European club. But most don't have the luxury of their top choice.

stuart barnes
192 Posted 22/06/2016 at 20:50:47
Sorry, too much to say, too high an opinion of himself, too many mercenary bastards surrounding him, touch of a rapist, attitude stinks. Can't be good for morale or team ethic. Don't care if he scores lots he is a wrong 'un and I for one can't take to him. I will cheer his goals but I won't cheer him. And I'm not fooled why he is staying - not good enough for top clubs so they don't want him, Italian clubs can't afford him, and we can give him more money to buy his 'loyalty'. Sadly, I fear our new found wealth will bring with it more of this type of character. Maybe this is the downside of potential success.
Dave Abrahams
193 Posted 22/06/2016 at 21:07:24
Andy that's mostly true and as you say most just get on with doing their best for the club that pays them, if you think Lukaku did his best for Everton in the last three months of the season I'd be surprised.

That some of the other players were fed up playing for Martinez I'd have to agree with, but none to me showed it as much as Lukaku, and he has shown that side of his nature too many times in the three seasons he has been here.

I can't say I take too much notice of what he says when he goes abroad to play for Belgium, it certainly doesn't bother me, it's his attitude when he is on the pitch that counts and I confess I'm not very impressed with Lukaku's attitude.

I've said it many times I think he wants to go and when he does as long as we get a good fee for him I'll be happy.

Andy Walker
194 Posted 22/06/2016 at 21:12:59
Agree Stuart. I think you last 2 sentences are very insightful and lead to the much bigger question of is our fan base ready to see a cultural change in our club that could see us move away from our roots into a richer, hopefully more successful team on the pitch, but with less loyal players that are even more disconnected from the fans. Lukaku is in that bracket, but that doesn't mean he won't score goals and help us win more matches with him in our team than not. A price worth paying? Not sure but we haven't a choice.
Paul Black
195 Posted 22/06/2016 at 21:13:01
I remember one day when I was probably in my late teens pondering how the world was far from being perfect and thinking, 'one day, when I can afford it, I'm going to have all the principles I like.'

Moving on to a few days ago, who's heart didn't pound a little more when Sasha announced he 'was very much hoping our new coach was going to be the Guardian of that (Everton's) culture? It was I'm pretty sure music to everyone's ears regardless of the differences in opinion we have about this and that.

Of course there will be times, like in any 'family', where the boat will be rocked occasionally. Why not? We are a proud, passionate, even dignified and certainly very protective of our history and everything else that defines us as a 'whole', right?

To paraphrase myself from a post I made before to someone I can't remember, 'Do you seriously believe a man like Farhad would send a so-called 'KGB Attitude Adjuster' called Sasha all the way to somewhere in Europe to appeal to the finer qualities of that warthog, super-duper not-so-secret agent who represents the eternal, deluded wantaway?' No. Sasha was, in my opinion, sent to tell the hog to tell his client to stop taking the wee out of his employer who also happens to have the final say in his future – be it playing for Juventus or our Under-21s for the next 3 years because it is just not dignified and the Everton way.

Now, me being a bit old school and one of those in the minority (35'ish % of people) who want to see the back of Lukaku, after all the things he's done and the waves he's caused, has it really come to the point where the price of maintaining a bit of dignity as a club (and that's all of us by the way, there ain't nothing without us) really been hijacked by the majority 65% who want him to stay just because he nets 20 - 25 goals a season? Is that it? The best argument you can make?

To me, just because he scores 20 or so goals a season depending on how you count them, is that really enough to justify wanting him anywhere near Goodison Park unless he's just visiting for the day?

What price principles, Toffee people? And don't tell me we can't afford them now...

Andy Walker
196 Posted 22/06/2016 at 21:22:56
I agree with that too Dave, he didn't play at the end of the season like the rest of them.

One mitigating factor perhaps is that Lukaku is a big bloke, he's never going to have the same stamina as a Vardy type player. Instead he has strength when on the ball and bursts of pace. He will have to play in bursts and then recover and go again. That's just his physique, like a heavyweight boxer compared to a lightweight. So he will always look less active than some other strikers, but that's not to excuse his performances and effort at the end of the season.

Peter McHugh
197 Posted 22/06/2016 at 21:32:53
I would like Lukaku to stay. However I agree with posters that he isn't as good as some claim.

Lukaku has been with us for 3 seasons and scored loads of goals. However, in the league is his record that good? I haven't researched but think he didn't score in last 10 league games for us and season before he scored 2 I think after Christmas. He gets to play every game (a plus for us I suppose as injury record very good) but team is set up for him only to score goals in my opinion. I would be interested in knowing how he compares to goals per minute in the league against other strikers. Does anybody know that statistic?

Who would I replace him with. Bale. He would do for me. Would he come? If Real Madrid want rid, of course, he would come for the money. He would say "I'm coming for the project" . Massive myth around champions league bollocks - players move for money or stay because their happy where they are (more often than not because of the money they're on). City signed a load of players without CL football. Other players Bony, Dzecho, the Croatian big lad - Manzuchi is it?

Winston Williamson
198 Posted 22/06/2016 at 21:41:57
You could see at points last season that Lukaku was as frustrated as the fans at us throwing games away.

He'd score and then we'd concede an appallingly soft goal. Must be gutting for a striker, especially when you're on form and the defence is shite!

I'd imagine he'd look at us (pre-Martinez sacking) and think "I'm off"...

This sounds like a defence of his shite-talking, but it's not. Just trying to show how he must have been frustrated.


Dave Abrahams
199 Posted 22/06/2016 at 21:44:10
Andy (196) not to prolong the debate too much, but I understand perfectly you comparing Lukaku and heavyweight boxers and how they have to pace themselves, but Andy every good heavyweight boxer I ever saw had one thing Lukaku lacks, in my opinion HEART, but you might dispute that.

Anyway Eire have just scored so both of us might be happy with that.

Peter Roberts
200 Posted 22/06/2016 at 21:51:46
Andy walker... such a passionate supporter of Rom.... probably more passionate about Rom than you are Everton. Yeah Skem was great thanks, went surfing and bbq'd on the beach.

Rom stank the gaff out again tonight by all accounts. Sitter after sitter, I guess de bryne just never gave him the service. He actually got ruled offside by being in the opponents half when the last swedish defender was in belguims half...

Well done Ireland... thats what work and commitment to the shirt looks like

Peter Roberts
201 Posted 22/06/2016 at 21:59:58
Andy walker Rom a heavyweight boxer? Hmmm some heavy weight, gave 3 stone away to Daley Blind and fit nicely in his back pocket.

So stamina eh? Was he ordered not to rest between games after January? Are you likening games in January to May to the last 3 rounds of a titanic battle in manilla??? The poor sod, I cant imagine not being able to get 3 days rest like 34 year old gareth barry who runs 10k a game... to think ive been so tough on Rom and all this time hes been treated differently to other footballers.

Alan Bodell
202 Posted 22/06/2016 at 22:21:04
Peter, I just do not understand how so many of our fellow Blues are so deluded as to this lazy disrespectful clown and his agent.
His hold up, first touch, heading, passing, free kicks and penalty
taking attributes are woeful and most of his goals are mishits or scuffs.
Ronald Koeman is no fool so we will see what the future holds for this lump that disrespects the club time and time again.
Mike Allison
203 Posted 22/06/2016 at 22:21:42
Finally some names.

Bale isn't realistic. If he was then Lukaku would be in the press everyday saying how excited he was to be at Everton.

Bony is decent, Lukaku's scoring record is better over the last two seasons. 4 in 26 league goals last season.

Dzeko same applies, 8 in 31 last season. He's also 30 already.

Mandzukic is very good. 10 in 27 last season. Also 30 already.

And would these players suddenly discover an undying love and commitment for Everton FC? I doubt it.

I don't have any particular regard for Lukaku other than that he is clearly, clearly Everton's best option up front. To be honest I might well try to buy one of those others as well as keeping Lukaku.

And all that is with us not even knowing in detail the faults and weaknesses in those players' games. We only know Rom's because we see him every week, and frankly, some of you are exaggerating them significantly anyway. The grass is not always greener.

Alan Bodell
204 Posted 22/06/2016 at 22:39:24
Oh silly me, on my previous post I forgot the most important asset ever for a striker that this lump lacks....anticipation.
Please bring on those bids of £50m. before sense kicks in.
Peter Roberts
205 Posted 22/06/2016 at 22:41:47
Why do people need to suggest replacements? If we are looking at the daft money touted then I will give some names and expected fees.

Pelle £7m:- far better team player, better in the air, not as pacey and maybe not everyones cup of tea but we would be able sustain attacks better. He links play. Pelle + deulofeu = goals

Lacazette £30m:- is the player most were hoping Rom could be but wont. No hes not a 6ft 3 "beast" with dreadlocks - think suarez/sturridge and that energy, pace, guile and trickery. Will be a world class player.

Gameiro £20m:- class act, pain in the arse for defenders, knows where the net is.

Vincent Jansenn £20m:- 2 good feet, technically good, strong in the air, strong, links up play, scores goals

Martin Nicholls
206 Posted 22/06/2016 at 22:49:28
Rom's deficiencies have been obvious to most of us for ages but he does have the most elusive quality in a footballer - he scores goals. Likes everyone else I wish he and his people would keep their mouths shut - had they done so I suspect that many of his biggest critics on this thread would have done likewise or at least toned down their comments.
Eric Holland
207 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:16:30
So how many PREMIER league goals do these have between them???
Pelle how many goals has he scored? is he a midfielder? links play to who?
Vincent Jansenn worth a punt at about 㾻 but scoring in a poor league is not the same as in ours, I wonder how many he scored against the top 2?
Lacazette "think suarez/sturridge" 50 goals a season or injured all the time. 72 goals in a one team league since 2010.
Gameiro 30 next birthday no resale value wont score enough against the top 7.
But nice try.
PS did you watch the match tonight?
or is it all in your head. He played much better than the opposition world beater who is now on his way home.
Jackie Barry
208 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:20:00
No Peter I am in love with Everton FC, never the players. If we have a player who scores goals but doesn't love the club I couldn't give a rats arse because all that matters is the goals. That is the point I am making so stop trying to put words into my mouth.
Eric Holland
209 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:20:46
Alan 204 " I forgot the most important asset ever for a striker"
Do you even watch football??

The most important asset ever for a striker is GOALS!!! GOALS!!! don't you see?????

Bangs head against wall!!!!!!!

Peter Roberts
210 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:25:28
Whats the matter Eric? Cage rattled?

I could reel off more if you want? After all thats what you asked for.

Peter Roberts
211 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:32:17
Jackie I wasnt referring to you. Andy walker I quoted.
Eric Holland
212 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:32:59
Peter go back to your FIFA I think its nearly time for bed.

If you think one of them names will score as many goals as Rom you are not playing on the xbox1 enough.
He had a poor finish to the season and still scored 25 goals.
next season I will want and expect him to score 30.

Peter McHugh
213 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:41:14
Mike "statto" Allison!!! Actually quite interesting stats. I suspect Bony 26 games were hardly any starts and I wonder if he actually played mins. I was just throwing out some names as people seem to think it's impossible to replace. I thought about it for about half a second - not much thought. I could say loads others in would be happy with and that's me, who's not professional, not a scout and know nothing about other European leagues and nothing about lower leagues in England yet alone the world.

I repeat, is he really that good considering minutes he plays and league goals he scores? I'm not so sure and certainly not terrified of losing him but like I said would prefer he stays. Hopefully we will get at least one more to challenge or play with him.

On a separate note, everybody throws his goalscoring ratio back in your face if you criticise Lukaku and say that's the most important thing. Errrrm no it isn't what's important is getting points, winning games and trophies. An example - Andy Gray. Did he score that many goals for us? Again I'm not statto but I suspect about 10 league goals but what a player.

Eric Holland
214 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:44:11
Peter can you tell me please how you come to get points in a football match? and what the object of the game of football is?
Andy Crooks
215 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:44:52
What do we expect from a striker? Well I'd put goals ahead of fan pleasing soundbites. He talks ill advised nonsense but he is a top striker and will get better.

Peter Roberts
216 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:46:15
Now then Eric you are getting very tetchy. Currently catching up on emmerdale to be honest with you.

I just wonder how many of the strikers I named wouldnt have scored more than 3 goals in 18 league games since january. I wonder how many would have spectacularly missed sitter after sitter in the fa cup semi final.... none is my guess. But I reckon they too would pad out their goals against cannon fodder.


Eric Holland
217 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:50:59
Keep wondering Pete,r because if our new found wealth is going to replace Rom with one of them I think you will be watching a lot more of Emmerdale st on a Tuesday and Wednesday evening in the future.
David Midgley
218 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:51:22
He scores goals, that's undeniable.

Posters have asked for proof that he has made the 'want away' statements. If none of these quotes, insights, musings, whatever have not been made by him, why has he or his agent not said, "That it's all a pack of lies and paper talk"?

Could he now be staying? Well he will if nobody comes in for him. It's a bit like your girlfriend saying she wants to leave you for a cooler dude (so she thinks). If she changes her mind she's already said it and it doesn't sit right.

It must be quite irritating for EFC to be reading that the club aren't meeting his ambitions. The other players mustn't have any ambition as I haven't seen anything supposedly written by anyone wanting to move.

The possibility that the bigger clubs don't seem to fancy him might be a bitter pill to swallow.Perhaps 'little old Everton' might not be too bad after all!!! I wonder if a fine of 𧴜 per word in these articles would see any change? A legend in his own lunchtime.

Little Richard (the singer) once said. "The grass is always greener, but it's just as hard to cut."

Peter Roberts
219 Posted 22/06/2016 at 23:58:29
You see some of you are forgetting key things in your favourable comparisons for Rom... he has been the undroppable lone striker who has had a manager deseperate to help him... making kone his work horse, having 3 attacking mids supplying him. Letting him take pennos. Not even taking him off when hes stinking the gaff out.

Strikers before him have never been so indulged... they were either partners who shared the goals. Were rotated, had to suffer from Moyes and his striker destroying tactics.

Me? I don't forget any of that... just like I don't forget the amount of times we concede goals or surrender strong possession because of his technical competencies.

Ill be honest. If he was on the market for £15m - £20m I would buy him in our current wealth. I would use him as a last 30 minute striker or someone to rotate. Thats about it.

Peter McHugh
220 Posted 22/06/2016 at 00:02:23
Eric, the object of football I stated. It is not to just score goals which you seem to think. It is permitted to spread goals across the team – ie, like our team in the '80s that won trophies.

In any event, Man Utd lost their goal machine (who coincidentally is light years ahead of Lukaku) and guess what? – their team scored loads more goals without him.

Did Leicester winning not remind you that football is a team game – not the Lukaku show? Stop worrying – we have a new manager and owner and everything looking positive at least until we've played Spurs!

Peter McHugh
221 Posted 23/06/2016 at 00:04:36
I agree entirely, Andy... but some would think we have the next Klinsmann on our books when I just don't see it.
Damian Wilde
222 Posted 22/06/2016 at 00:06:50
Peter, the Yak didn't cost a tenner.

Eric:

"Like someone said earlier show me where he has said something disrespectful about the club?"

I give up with you, maybe you're just a 'black & white' thinker. If he'd directly slagged us off and said 'Everton are a crap club and the fans are utter bellends' you'd get it, but anything with a hint of ambiguity and you struggle.

Do you work? Let's say you worked for Barclays and they paid you very well and you were treated very well. But you consistently talked to banking journals (which everyone at Barclays saw) about how you want to work for a bank that operates at a better level and you talked about how brilliant you were and how it might be HSBC, perhaps Coutts that you go to. Do you think people at Barclays may be a little irked? Perhaps a better way forward if you wanted to move is not talk to the banking journals and talk privately with your boss at Barclays?

Maybe you just don't care or have no pride.

Eric Holland
223 Posted 23/06/2016 at 00:28:59
Damian, I don't work for a bank I work for myself so stop the irate ramblings.... And you don't get it, do you. Tunnel vision. Is it just a one-man tirade with you? Or are all the other players up to your impeccable standards.

What do you think a premier league striker should reasonably expect to achieve in a season? And for the stats followers on here you will find 50% of his goals where scored against top half teams last season...

The guy is not perfect but the stupid remarks on here are well over the top. Imagine if he had only scored 10 goals a season but goals don't matter do they!!!

ps: Top four teams scored the most goals, bottom four didn't.

Eric Holland
224 Posted 23/06/2016 at 00:33:30
Peter 220 you said "Eric object of football I stated. It is not to just score goals which you seem to think. It is permitted to spread goals across the team."

Contradicting yourself there, I think, Peter. Scoring and goals – that is the same thing. Goals and only goals win football matches – always have done always will do.

Peter McHugh
225 Posted 23/06/2016 at 07:01:21
Thanks Eric very enlightening. Strange I thought stopping goals also wins football matches. Since it's all about scoring goals, may as well get Howard back in goal. I wish the Board appointed you as manager you really know what you're talking about.
Andy Walker
226 Posted 23/06/2016 at 07:25:52
Peter eh, 'stopping goals wins football matches' just have a little think about that statement.
Andy Walker
227 Posted 23/06/2016 at 07:46:09
Peter 205, thanks for coming back with some alternatives. I did ask for other current EPL strikers that you thought would be better than Lukaku, could you only think of one, Pelle?

Well as you like a stat let's take a look at their EPL record:

Pelle age 30: 60 appearances 23 goals
Lukaku age 23: 118 appearances 60 goals

Lukaku has scored about a goal ever 2 games and Pelle about 1 every 3 games. Yet you'd take this 30 year old with a significantly worse goal scoring record. Each to their own I guess.

Mike Allison
228 Posted 23/06/2016 at 07:48:03
Those who think he'd be easy to replace, look at Mark Frere's article about the top scorers in European leagues and find all the stats on Transfermarkt.co.uk (you can see for yourself how many games Bony started there, too many for four league goals to be acceptable).

Lukaku is the best option for Everton F.C. That's why I've posted in his favour, because there is no-one out there who's available who will give us more. Some of the criticism is getting bizarre. There also seems to be an accepted wisdom that Lukaku can't link play (he has more assists than those other strikers as well as more goals). We also now admit to guessing about these other players but somehow that's okay.

I understand the people who want him gone on principle because he's disrespected the club by talking about leaving, but I think that's a self-defeating emotional reaction to the situation. Cold hard reality is that we're better off with him, and frankly if we win the first few games and are competing at the top of the league he'll be perfectly happy to be here and will probably say so next time he plays for Belgium.

What I don't understand is the people trying to convince themselves that he's no good, in clear disagreement with actual quotable and comparable facts. I also disagree with the notion that he's easily replaced and am trying to use the facts to do this. The people arguing against this view seem to be arguing from a combination of guesswork, anger and a professed ignorance of the other strikers around European football.

I think I'm going to leave it there. You don't have to like Lukaku, and wanting rid of him is a legitimate view, but at least be honest with yourselves why and try to make some sense about it.

Colin Glassar
229 Posted 23/06/2016 at 07:59:29
Brilliant analysis Mike A. Love him or hate him he's the best we've had for years and we need to keep him. Last night we saw just how good he can be, despite not scoring.
Eric Holland
230 Posted 23/06/2016 at 08:22:52
Peter 225 "stopping goals also win football matches"

ha ha we can win them all 0-0

Peter McHugh
231 Posted 23/06/2016 at 09:07:08
Eric what you fail to grasp with your hilarious comment " 0-0 " is that both columns are just as important as the other, ie scoring AND stopping goals. Nevermind.....
Dave Abrahams
232 Posted 23/06/2016 at 10:12:55
There is a player in the Premier league who has scored consistently over the last ten years or more who I would rate much better than Lukaku. If he was the same age as Lukaku I would swap him tomorrow. Defoe of Sunderland, scored for every team he has played for, plenty of movement, good at linking up the play and just gets on with the game and plays for the team.
Damian Wilde
233 Posted 23/06/2016 at 10:19:33
Eric:

"What do you think a premier league striker should reasonably expect to achieve in a season?"

We're not discussing this, it's his disrespectful comments/attitude that is in question, LISTEN for goodness sake.

I'll try AGAIN. Do you think it is okay to constantly talk in the media about who he might play for next season, an open discussion whilst still playing for us?

Ernie Baywood
234 Posted 23/06/2016 at 10:20:10
Come on, you wouldn't really make that swap?
Brent Stephens
235 Posted 23/06/2016 at 10:31:32
If we get shut of Lukaku and replace him with whoever, what's the minimum number of EPL goals we'd want per season from Mr whoever? Would 18 not be enough? one every two games not enough? If not, who is available who performs better than that?
Paul Kelly
236 Posted 23/06/2016 at 10:51:58
Got no suitors then, tail between legs and come on "home"
Peter Roberts
237 Posted 23/06/2016 at 11:23:37
Andy walker I was responding to Eric with alternatives - not yourself.

So you assume that I think Pelle is the only player in the prem who I think is good enough to replace Rom??? You debate like a 12 year old.

You fall into the trap of assuming people cant work with stats.... its my job.

First golden rule:- "identify the clear opportunities for spin".... this is where many arguments don't stand up.

1. When quoting goals vs appearances do not assume every player does 90 minutes like Rom. Other managers may have other strikers who arent kone and niasse - saints have long etc so look at goals per minutes. In the case of Pelle in a saints shirt in the prem he averages a goal every 2.6 game based on minutes played. Rom averages a goal every 2.2 games.

When projected over a full 38 games season playing 90 minutes every game that projects Rom at 17 goals and Pelle at 15 goals. For £7m and a better all round game i'll have pelle for 3 years and £40m+ change thanks very much.

2. The age thing.... the bloody age thing. Has there ever been evidence that every player improves from 21 to 30? No. In fact there has been a great piece of analysis done looking at 50 of the best attacking midfielders/strikers of recent years which looked at age related stats of players like owen, fowler, neymar, messi, shearer, dublin, RVP, torres, yorke, costa, wright, eto. The most prolific age of these players on average??? 24 years of age. So based on averages Rom is approaching his peak year. And yes.... it has been proven, players who start later tend to have more in the tank at 29, those who start early are shadows of themselves.

Lukaku is definately the best expensive striker we have bought though. Our previous 4 most expensive strikers could have been bought for less than he cost ... I wonder if that is why people say hes the best weve had in ages?

We get some spin on here that comes from the elstone book of bull.

Derek Thomas
238 Posted 23/06/2016 at 11:35:20
Mike @228; I'll trust you on the stats and yes we probably ARE better with him than without...but he is probably better off with us too.

Everybody has to eat a little bit of shit as they go along, up to a point it builds character. But just as there's shit you (we) have to take, there is also shit you (we) don't have to take and Lukaku is teetering on that line and may have even crossed it a few times.

The ultimate discipline is self- discipline...and a lot of his on field body language does not suggest this is his strong point - no matter how articulately he speaks and how well he comes across.

Hopefully Koeman can kick his arse and get it into his head that He, his Dad or his agent can't just talk him into the CL and that his on field performance with us is his key.

If an offer comes in we don't have to take it, but if it's big enough and the message doesn't seem to be getting through to him, there's no need for us to cut our nose off to spite our face.

As for pay rise to keep him sweet - see above, we don't need to. He can come back this time next year and talk about all manner of things...including how he's done in the last 11 mths.

No more Mr Nice Guy, no more blowing smoke up his arse...Hardball.

Daniel A Johnson
239 Posted 23/06/2016 at 11:48:09
The Belgium national team is a complex mish mash of egos and a barrel load of rotten apples. They are a team of individuals.

Eden Hazard effectively did a Lukaku at Chelsea for 2/3rds of the season.

Lukaku is playing for himself and always will do, but no one can dispute that where ever this lad goes he will score goals.

We should keep him, don't slate him for being ambitious. A lot of the noise thats come from him and his camp originates form the arse end of the Martinez era where even I would have wanted to do a runner. The club was going nowhere fast.

We now have a new owner and manager. Everton is a completely different animal to a couple of months ago. I hope he stays.

Brian Denton
240 Posted 23/06/2016 at 12:20:28
Eric : "PS top four teams scored the most goals, bottom four didn't."

I always make a habit of checking stats thrown out by people on ToffeeWeb which sound a bit questionable to me. For example, recently somebody said that 'Everton stayed up with the lowest points total in the Premier League'. Pretty instantly disprovable.

Of the Top 4 last season, Arsenal scored the fewest (City scored the most and finished 4th, which rather blows your thesis anyway) and Arsenal scored 65. West Ham also scored 65 and finished outside the Top 4 - the big difference between Arsenal and West Ham, apart from the little matter of 5 places, was in the goals conceded. Arsenal conceded far fewer.

Peter Roberts
241 Posted 23/06/2016 at 12:27:24
Another misconception.... "lukaku only started talking at the back end of the Martinez reign"....

No he didnt. At the business end of his first season on loan we had champions league in our own hands and he piped up saying he would only play for a champions league club the next season.... then he had a few stinkers including southampton and palace and chance was gone.

A good few times he has talked of leaving the club mid season... and people say its not disrespectful? Well yes it is. Its kinda like making a 3 course meal for someone and listening to them say "i cant wait to finish this so I can get down the pub" they then burp, fart and leave the plates for you to clean up. Only when they realise they are skint and cant afford a drink does their attitude change..... "yeah a bit tired to go the pub, I think I will have that glass of wine"

Brian Denton
242 Posted 23/06/2016 at 12:34:23
Peter Roberts - good one!
Eric Holland
243 Posted 23/06/2016 at 12:34:40
Peter m231 What do you fail to grasp?

You can still win a match and concede 4 goals can you not??????
I have NEVER Seen a match won by not conceding goals alone.

I give up with you Everton player haters!! same old - same old.

Support your team for goodness sake.

Pride to me = winning, you will not win anything by selling your best player because you don't like something he said. Toys out of pram .

Go hate some opposition players and give ours a break.

Eric Holland
244 Posted 23/06/2016 at 12:39:09
Brian Denton thanks for confirming that for me.
Of the Top 4 last season, Arsenal scored the fewest (City scored the most and finished 4th, which rather blows your thesis anyway)
Which was the top 4 scored the most goals thanks again very clever for you to confirm that for me.

Nice one.

Eric Holland
245 Posted 23/06/2016 at 12:49:08
"Three course meal burping and farting","working in a bank"
Jesus wept you lot need to get out more...
Dave Abrahams
246 Posted 23/06/2016 at 12:53:02
Ernie (234) yes if they were the same age, I would most definitely make that swap, why wouldn't I?
Eric Holland
247 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:01:33
Dave I like Defoe! reminds me a lot of Naismith. same qualities.
Peter McHugh
248 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:09:16
Eric you're deliberately being facetious. You can't win a game scoring 3 goals if you concede 4. There's more to winning than simply scoring goals as you put it. If you don't understand that then I take back saying that you are being facetious and you are simply not very bright.

By the way, hate Lukaku. No I don't. My son loves him. I said my preference is he stays. I also said he can be replaced. Just because I consider his replaceable doesn't mean I don't understand the importance of scoring goals or that I hate him. Geeeeez

Dave Abrahams
249 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:12:06
Eric (247) does he, ? Very interesting!!!
George Cumiskey
250 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:12:59
What's the big song and dance about Lukaku? If he wants to go, let him go! We're supposed to be a big club now with plenty of money... So surely we can replace him.

We can't be seen to go on hands and knees and beg him to stay with a big fat new contract. What message does that send out to other players. Where's our pride?

Alan Bodell
251 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:21:13
Eric #209, 'bangs head against the wall', so no damage there to the wall then.
Anticipation is what leads to GOALS GOALS GOALS don't you see ?
Ronnie Pearce
252 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:21:35
My 10 cents worth concerns Lukakus ability to perform in Ronald Koeman's plans for a pressing game.
Although he managed it a couple of times last season, he doesn't appear to possess the attributes of selflessness and teamwork to lead a team that plays in this fashion.
Granted, he scores well with the ball in front of him, but a pressing game seems to suit strikers with better close control than Rom currently displays.
I would like to see a better spread of scoring within the team.
Whether Roms play is adaptable enough seems open to question, even though Koeman is apparently trying to convince him to stay.
I couldn't suggest another current premier league striker who will fit the bill of hard working and a consistent top quality goal scoring record.
I guess that is the trick that Ronald Koeman is being paid 6 million per year to perform.
Peter Roberts
253 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:27:15
Eric I fail to grasp nothing. I understand that debating with people like you is a waste of time.
Chris Leyland
254 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:28:50
It is a fact that a team can not win a league match without scoring a goal.

It is also a fact that the teams who score the most goals will normally finish at the top end of the table. In the last 15 seasons, the teams that finish top 4 have also been the top four scorers in that season (or joint top 4 scorers) on 57 out of 60 occasions.

Alan Bodell
255 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:44:56
Ronnie you're right, there is no way he is suited to a pressing game
he only has limited bursts to his game and that takes it's toll.
Just watch how long he takes to get back onside after our attacks break down but I must admit that watching most games I find myself just watching him and not the rest of the game.
Just praying he scores a few more before the euros finish and then fucks off to anywhere but L4.
Kevin Tully
256 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:46:05
Incredibly, we were second in the PL to champions Leicester for percentage of shots converted to goals: Link

I would say that makes Rom's stat's even more impressive.

Andy Walker
257 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:47:05
Peter McHugh, lighten up mate. What you said was stopping goals wins football matches. We all know what you meant but it didnt quite come out right did it and instead became a nonsensical statement.

It was funny and I think most would just laugh and say yea that was funny what I meant was......

But no, I'm perplexed by the aggression that both yourself and also the other Peter 'I fail to grasp nothing' Roberts seem intent on demonstrating towards any posters who have the nerve to have an alternative view to your own. It looks like you both see red mist descend as soon as an alternative view to your own is expressed.

Black and white thinking equals prejudice, equals aggression. Hard to process is it? Count to 10 first.

Peter Roberts
258 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:49:36
whilst you are quoting "league goals" it is a fact that Rom has averaged 14 per season over 3 years... is that really all that??? Not for me it aint. Exactly the same as Rickie Lambert in his 2 years at southampton in the prem.

Not saying its awful, it just doesnt put him in this elite brackey people seem to want to elevate him to.

Peter Roberts
259 Posted 23/06/2016 at 13:57:24
Andy walker... love nothing more than someone trying to be eloquent and they throw in a double negative....

You know what happens when you at two negatives? Its a positive. Cheers for the compliment. Indeed I "do fail to grasp nothing".

Damian Wilde
260 Posted 23/06/2016 at 14:44:51
Eric:

"I have NEVER Seen a match won by not conceding goals alone."

So you've never seen a 1-0 win?

You don't half talk some shite.

James Hughes
261 Posted 23/06/2016 at 14:57:55
Damian, you missed the point , look at the last word 'ALONE'
quite simply means - you cant win a game by not conceding, you also need to score.
Damian Wilde
262 Posted 23/06/2016 at 16:27:21
Yeah James, they're musylt be bags of managers who go into games trying not to score.

Apparently because some of us object to Lukaku disrespecting the club (and therby the fans) we're 'player haters'. I don't hate any of the players.

Eric are you having a relationship with Rodger Lukaku?

Andy Walker
263 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:03:30
I know Peter, it is the arrogance of your statement that I was highlighting and the fact that you didn't even realise it just reaffirms this. It sounded like something your hero Lukaku would say. Oh the irony. What's it like to be perfect?
Andy Walker
264 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:13:08
Damian you are losing the plot. You can not win a game by just (alone) not conceding a goal, you have to score to win a game.

You can still win a game and concede goals but the number 1, not an option, it just can't happen otherwise fact, is that you HAVE to score a goal(s) to win and you do NOT HAVE to keep a clean sheet to win. God I can't believe this point is being argued.

Heard about the person who could start an argument in an empty room?

Eric Holland
265 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:19:29
Andy these guys are the delusional type that go and shoot a MP or stab a footballer, weirdo loners that get fixated with the hatred of someone then just loose it.
We better not disagree or we might be next.
Eric Holland
266 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:25:22
Derogatory remarks now I think I must have hit a nerve.
PS Damian you are only jealous because your boyfriend is a big Rom lover.
Eric Holland
267 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:34:24
Peter, "Eric, I fail to grasp nothing. I understand that debating with people like you is a waste of time."

Good does that mean you are going to shut the fuck up at last?

Peter McHugh
268 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:37:40
Hi Andy - I'm not aggressive - maybe keyboard warrior! However stopping goals does win football matches - ie big nev against spurs in 85!!!!!

Can't see where I went wrong with my statement - that's all if I did fair enough! I took umbrage to being called a player hater - I want Lukaku to stay and like him (think he's a knob with his comments but big deal)

Damian Wilde
269 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:39:49
Andy,

"Damian you are losing the plot. You can not win a game by just (alone) not conceding a goal, you have to score to win a game."

Apologies Andy, I can't quite grasp how it is you win a game of football, could you explain a bit more clearly? I reckon you could do it as you're so much cleverer than me.

Eric:

"Andy these guys are the delusional type that go and shoot a MP or stab a footballer, weirdo loners that get fixated with the hatred of someone then just loose it.
We better not disagree or we might be next."

I think there's clear 'projection' here. I'll leave you chuckle brothers aka dumb & dumber to work out what I mean by that.

As you were.

Dennis Ng
270 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:42:07
Kevin 256, nice flyer promotion there.

I'm on the "Lukaku is not bigger than the club" side. His goals are important but so is the unity of the team. Giving Lukaku a bumper raise just because he sounded out is bad for us in many ways.

If this article is correct, we can only increase wages by that much and giving Lukaku that pay rise means we cannot buy much else without selling other key assets, becoming a mini version of "Zidanes and Bravos". Lukaku is definitely not close to Zidane's level, and I doubt he will ever be.

I have no doubt we will have to move mountains to replace him (Milik, Janssen or other highly rated and costly replacements) if he is to move, but we should get another top quality striker anyway regardless of our stand on Lukaku. I rather we get that and other players and not give him anything more and if he is unhappy and not willing to honor his contract, sell him.

All this agent speak backtracking from earlier comments is good for us. Sounds like we can afford to do little or nothing for now and focus on the necessary changes that will benefit the club. Again, no doubting Lukaku's input, but is kowtowing to his demands the way to go?

Last point, if we're to sell him, do we need to write off all his accomplishments? He is good up till the last 2 months. He needs to improve, but he is the best striker we have right now, and perhaps the last 2 decades. We don't have to demonize him just because he said something we (and myself for sure) disliked. I disliked what he said but if he keeps his mouth shut from now on, I'll let his comments get quietly swept under the rug.

Eric Holland
271 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:43:33
Damian I was right you are a loner ha ha.
Eric Holland
272 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:45:36
Damien, you cant even work out that you have to score goals to win a football match.
Damian Wilde
273 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:51:11
Eric, you can't even read.

Your vacuity and oddity levels defy belief.

Jim Bailey
274 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:55:18
Eric
Is this the right room for an argument? (Monty Python)
Just kiddin'
Eric Holland
275 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:55:48
Damien, Does that mean you now actually realize that you need to score goals to win a football match? Or have I missed something with my inability to decipher your posts.
Damian Wilde
276 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:57:46
Eric, I edited my 273 post. That covers it all with you.
Eric Holland
277 Posted 23/06/2016 at 17:58:03
Jim, don't start these guys on the subject of scoring goals. its a grey/black and white /farting burping meal/in a bank type of thing,
And it could get worse...
Eric Holland
278 Posted 23/06/2016 at 18:00:14
Damien,Sounds like the clinical psychologist I used to know.
Peter Roberts
279 Posted 23/06/2016 at 18:03:17
Oooh this Lukexit debate is really hotting up isn't it.

I can see Eric driving his campaign bus with a picture of the dreadlocked Rom standing victorious over Kone, Niasse and Naismith with his rippling muscles all glistening.... blaring from his tannoy

"All you Everton loyalists who want to drive this ambitious yet disrespectful man out are facists! Yes... we may pay him £75k a week but do you know what we get back? He scores goals! Yes they may be against cannon fodder like swansea, villa, young boys..... so what! he is what we built Everton on.... when you mention Everton you immediately think Dixie Dean, Alan Ball, Alex Young, Ray Wilson and standing above them all Romelu Lukaku.

If you say yes to Lukexit all the other players will refuse to play for us, we will be stuck in a arouna kone and niasse recession for years... Lukaku is Everton"

Eric Holland
280 Posted 23/06/2016 at 18:04:20
You been at the wine again Peter????
Jim Bailey
281 Posted 23/06/2016 at 18:12:18
Keep it coming guys
Better than the telly
Eric Holland
282 Posted 23/06/2016 at 18:19:17
Can just see peter on his bike on the way to see Prescott cables, skin tight tracksuit bottle of wine, Shouting abuse at the number 9 because he said he thought Marine where doing quite well this season.
"Get out of our club you lying traitor I don't care if you score another 78 goals next season" """"GET OUT OF OUR FUCKING CLUB""""
Brent Stephens
283 Posted 23/06/2016 at 18:41:23
Jim, more to the point, have they paid to have this argument?
Damian Wilde
284 Posted 23/06/2016 at 19:02:46
Day 2 on the 'I love/adore Rom battle bus'

"Come people, he may flop in the most important game of our season, he may have given up and scored 0 in our last 10 games, he may completely mug people like me off (but I am not aware of this so it doesn't matter) with his disrespectful comments about playing for anyone apart from his employee, but he scores goals so it's okay! Our club has no class, forget respect, don't talk to me about Kendell and Harvey, Labone et al they had respect, but dud the score goals?! Forget who we are, we are tge new Chelsea! Come and kiss the statue of Rom at my house! I am not mad, honestly!"

Brent Stephens
285 Posted 23/06/2016 at 19:11:30
I guess the "I love Rom" side hasn't conceded any goals, so therefore must have won the argument.
Colin Glassar
286 Posted 23/06/2016 at 19:21:48
This is going to go on longer than Corrie. Rom for PM!! And his dad for house speaker.
Damian Wilde
287 Posted 23/06/2016 at 19:44:01
You'd think for 28 million, a player could trap/hold the ball up, even Kone can do that!
Garry Corgan
288 Posted 23/06/2016 at 19:54:04
Haha Damian, I like your point but no he can't :)
Sam Hoare
289 Posted 23/06/2016 at 19:57:10
Some classic insights on this thread.
John Daley
290 Posted 23/06/2016 at 20:17:37
"Andy these guys are the delusional type that go and shoot a MP or stab a footballer, weirdo loners"

What is that all about?

Not rating Lukaku as irreplaceable now makes you:

Link

Riiiiight. Of course it does.

Refusing to believe the sun shines out the arse of a player who has been suggesting since the start of 2015 that he considers himself to be temporarily slumming it at Goodison seems a pretty sane reaction to me.

Unlike maintaining that anyone not of the same mind as yourself must be a psychopathic stalker/stab happy hoople head/prospective political assassin. That's proper 'shag a scarecrow', screw-loose stuff.

What if I were to say I recognise Rom's ability in front of goal, but every time he opens his gob I can't help but be reminded of the expression 'ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag'? Going to accuse me of standing outside George Galloways gaff wearing a pair of night vision goggles or building a giant wicker man in Bobby Warzycha's back garden?

Damian Wilde
291 Posted 23/06/2016 at 20:18:29
Garry, thanks for making the effort to spell my name correctly, a problem I guess you come across!
Garry Corgan
292 Posted 23/06/2016 at 20:25:48
Yes I get "Gerry" a lot - and yes, I did check whether it was Damian or Damien!
Eric Holland
293 Posted 23/06/2016 at 20:50:28
Damien I always spell your name carectly.
Sorry Damian I will get it right in futuer
Damian Wilde
294 Posted 23/06/2016 at 21:15:22
Well in Erica.
Damian Wilde
295 Posted 23/06/2016 at 21:16:24
Garry, I thought you would get 'Gary', but 'Gerry'?!
Eric Holland
296 Posted 23/06/2016 at 21:24:55
Hey Damian, you tried to be funny there good on yer lad.
Colin Glassar
298 Posted 23/06/2016 at 23:53:13
No Dan, but BK's still after Moutinho by some accounts. I'm still watching this space.

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