Bury friendly ends all square

Stekelenburg
Coleman
Jagielka
Keane
Baines
Schneiderlin
Davies
Dowell
Mirallas
Sandro
Tosun

This is very familiar.

A bit premature without Pickford, Gueye and Sigurdsson, who must be first choice when he finally gets to run the rule over them. With those, it's the same absentees as last Saturday, still without Theo Walcott (ankle), Yannick Bolasie (stomach bug), Dominic Calvert-Lewin (back) and Beni Baningime (ankle) but do welcome back Davy Klaassen.

Stekelenburg, Kenny, Williams Pennington, Robinson, Connolly, Besic, Klaassen, Vlasic, Sandro, Niasse.

Subs remaining: Hewelt, Martina, Holgate, Lookman.

No show for Lookman or Holgate...?

Niasse, though terribly unlucky at times tonight continued to create problems through his sheer unpredictability.

Interesting how the 2nd half team, clearly the weaker second string on paper, actually performed better than the supposed stronger 1st half side.

I couldn't find a line-up for the U23s game with Coventry City last week, so not sure if those three are in there — I doubt that Unsworth wants older players who have clearly not made the grade. Expect them to leave perhaps? But they each have no doubt lucrative Everton contracts running for the next couple of years...

I don't know what's happened to Gallaway's career, seems like he has given up; looked promising a couple of seasons ago.

He has great strength, determination and a fantastic attitude. After maybe Seamus and Baines, he is now one of my favourites. :) Always plays with a smile on his face too. Well done Oumar.

I know it's only pre-season but you would expect a bit more to impress for a regular starting position, that sadly was the case for a few others too.

As last pre-season Sandro and Klaassen looked totally lost and unsuited. Many have been hoping these two lads step up but, in my opinion, we have to accept they are just not up to it.

2 good young lads backing up Baines and Coleman. Niasse will always cause problems. That's about it really.

Hopefully we will see thing differently in a couple of weeks time. Could have been watching a last pre-season game.

Sandro actually has a good right foot and his brain is very sharp but he is just a level below physically.

Davy Klaassen has got to be up there with Per Krøldrup as one of our worst ever signings — he absolutely useless! He wouldn't get a game in a Championship side he is that slow and weak.

David Barks — do you still believe Klaassen is a good player??? Clueless!

Mirallas has a chance of making it back into the fold. He might play for himself, but least he's got something. Terrible performance from Klaassen and Sandro. They're too big earners that we ain't going to get rid of easily.

Worrying rather than optimistic.

Just another training session and, with 9 changes at half-time, I am sure the manager is forming opinions about those not up to snuff.

Hopefully soon marching orders will be given to those underachievers and we will see some new blood.

I would always have a smile on my face if I had fooled some part-time actor I was worth 㿲 grand a week! Jeeeezzz!!!

Why no Holgate or Lookman? Two players I'd hoped would be regulars this season.

I would be talking to one of these Italian clubs who were looking at Klaassen and offer him in a swap. Maybe a swap involving Joao Mario who's been an expensive flop at Inter. Sandro needs to be loaned out again.

We are going to struggle upto Xmas and then spunk more panic money.

Play the kids, fuck the shit off at a loss and hope we are still Premier League next season.

How have we got this bad as a whole setup is unbelievable.

Still got my Season Ticket so I will still go but I'm dreading it already.

Oh, and Liverpool have only spent 𧵢 mill so far!

He should be solely concentrating on his starting eleven and bench personnel and get them playing competently as a team. There is not enough time keeping the likes of Mirallas and Schneiderlin sweet when you know their impact will be minimal.

Doesn't matter how good a coach Silva is, he'll struggle to get anything out of this lot.

Distinct lack of improvement? Christ on a bike.

How long would you give him? One more game?

The problem is there is just not enough quality in the team, something we've already known for the best part of a year.

Silva would indeed have to be a miracle-worker to mould pigs ears like Schneiderlin, Keane and Williams into silky purses but on a positive note the fringe youngsters appear to be ready to bypass the dross and go straight into the team. Doubt they'll be enough to make a success of a season and nor would it be fair to ask them, so here's hoping for some real quality signings before the window closes – if Moshiri can be bothered to stump up.

Pre-season is pre-season. Today was a run around to see how players adjust to the system and specific roles. The performance is not important at this stage.

A good 5-6 of those out there will be gone soon, and another 3-4 will likely not play more than the occassional League Cup game.

They are getting their legs back and no one got hurt, a successful run out I think.

Mirallas played okay in the first half, as did Schneiderlin. Connolly did well in the Schneiderlin position in the 2nd half. Robinson showed speed and awareness at left back, although he is raw. Niasse was Niasse, he was the only player who really looked like scoring.

Apart from that, it was a bit grim. Does lots of passing, a lack of pace, little presence up front or in centre midfield sound familiar? Sandro, Klaassen, Besic, Vlasic, Williams, probably Tosun and Pennington seem unlikely to help us much. And Martina is unlikely to become a winger.

Patience has been called for, it looks as though we will need it.

If l was Silva, l'd cash my arm in at the money store, then I'd kick half of them into touch and play the kids. That's Davies, Lookman, Calvert-Lewin, Baningime... and build around them. We've nothing else. Yes, I'm having a bad week.

Sandro and Klaassen are going to be interesting. They've shown they've got talent prior to joining us. Someone (Silva) has to figure out how they're going to get a tune out of them. I just can't accept that they are useless.

Preseason isn't the time to write them off. Nor is a handful of bench appearances. But they're not exactly forcing their way into the first team.

I recall a couple of Tractor fans last year expressing their surprise that Everton hadn't developed him much as a holding midfielder because he was excelling for them.

Connolly is clearly a versatile lad and therefore I hope he stays with our first team and gets his share of games.

Ernie – " I just can't accept that they are useless" – what timescale are you working to? I fear you may just have to accept it mate, they don't appear capable of grasping whatever opportunity to impress comes their way.

Grandson.

Worse than Stuart Barlow. Worse than Jo. Worse than Michael Branch. Worse than any striker I can remember

He's even worse than Ings for them lot. I mean the guy is so turd he makes Niasse look like a world beater. He makes us want to forgive Mirallas because a half bothered Mirallas is 100 times more dangerous than ‘Mr stumble Sandro'

Sandro has no redeeming features (I don't care what he did prior to Everton). The guy is on a reported 𧴜k a week

Just think about that for a while. 𧴜k a week and he can't keep his balance. He can't hit the target. He can't outpace anyone. He can't shoulder anyone off the ball. He can't out jump anyone

He's so dreadful he's an embodiment of what an awful summer recruitment we had last season

𧴜k a week

I've defended both in the past, saying they only need to get away from Big Sam.

I think Sandro doesn't care much now and wants to get as far from England as possible, but Klaassen by all accounts wants to be playing for Everton. He needs to show something quickly or he is done.

I'll still hold out a little longer on the two, to see how they look with the real squad and a game plan, but I'll admit it is not looking great for them anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9s9FN4NsW0

However it may show how individuals are progressing (as opposed to the team). Sounds like Klaassen and Sandro aren't going to make it, even under Silva, but I think we already had three coaches and a full Premier League season to work that out. A terrible shame (and gob-smacking waste of money). Surely if it was just a physical thing they could bulk up in the gym. I suspect there's more to it than that.

Niasse for me was super. Someone must have told him it was a friendly; he thought "I am good at that, I do smiles, which he did very well and looked our best player.

Well done... and up yours, Koeman!

If we don't find a pacy defender, then it looks like park the bus against any side quick on the break.

I still can't understand people who want rid of Oumar. There's goals in that lad and we need him, even as our super-sub.

As a first real run out last night was okay. Better second half than first. No Lookman, which I prefer to believe was simply to deny Leipzig's scout a view of him. Wish we would publicly tell them to do one, he's not for sale!

It's a PRE-SEASON FRIENDLY!!!!!

We shouldn't be reading anything into it.

Also, love Williams describing Bury as a ‘stern test'. Assuming he's on drugs?

I would but I assume he can't read.

Ramirez was good out wide and takes a good corner but he's not a Premier League striker.

Bury had one chance that we should have defended better. I also think that Pickford would have done better.

Davies and Dowell seemed to link up well in the first half.

Sandro did a couple of good things, I can only presume he didn't do much else than what was in the highlights.

Kenny looked good, as did Baines – might be writing him off prematurely.

Niasse was Niasse, he would be difficult to replace.

I know it was only Bury, and I know most only played for 45 minutes, but we looked fitter after two weeks than we did at the end of last years pre-season. I normally can't watch but I enjoyed the second half last night.

I'm glad I'm not tasked with getting something out of him. Though I'd probably have a crack for Silva's wage.

He can't be shit, can he? I know sometimes transfers don't work out or just aren't a good match/fit, but he has to be better than what we're seeing. Did deliver some decent corners for what it's worth.

I would like to see him play a few games with Calvert-Lewin, who will provide him with plenty of support.

The young lads did okay against physical opponents. Niasse showed why we need to keep hold of him.

If Sandro and Klaassen had been bought for peanuts from a Swiss club, then they would already be out of the door. Sandro is in the same class as O'Keefe or John Spencer. Klaassen is Mike Milligan or Stefan Rehn.

We need to start bunging their agents big time to get them off the payroll.

On a curious note — why do some posters always think those who criticise the team/performance etc are either angry or depressed? Don't you know that this Everton mostly inspires apathy?

Jagielka missed the weekend, so he was always going to play last night if fit. Holgate will feature at the weekend when it'll be interesting to see who he lined up alongside.

It'll also be interesting to see if anyone plays two games in two days. It'd need to be someone fit like Davies.

Shame about Sandro and Klaassen but this many people can't be wrong, can they?

New signings are on their way, certain players will be leaving. The first couple of months of the season will probably be a bumpy ride but we can't expect anything else after the mess of last season. It's not a quick fix.

I'm not saying he's a great player, but defences are scared of him and he knows where the goal is. Or at least the goalpost last night. He may well start most games on the bench, but I'd be surprised if he doesn't beat Tosun on goals per minute.

I have to say though, Niasse is a very underrated player, I have been saying it for a while. It is not how you get there, but what you do when you arrive!

For me, the most disappointing performance came from Dowell. Not that he played poorly; but he was unable to shake off the tight marking and never once found the space in midfield to thread a telling pass or have a pop at goal. And I was really hoping that he could push himself into the starting eleven before the season opens. Last night, he did himself no favours in that regard.

Lots re the Blues I could comment on but, as one, Robinson looked very comfortable and confident.

I really enjoyed watching Baines last night; he looked fleet and fit, skipped into the box like he did at his peak. If he can stay healthy and Robinson continues to develop... ah, well, I've said this before.

Most of this squad have been here for a few years and we've been shite since the end of Martinez's first season.

We can't keep a clean sheet and our midfield has no real direction or enforcement.

The real worrying thing for me is that Kenwright still seems to be in charge of transfers.

Must've been one of your all-night raves in the Algarve that he missed... I'm pretty sure he played the second half of the Irdning goalfest.

You can't be confusing him with Klaassen? He did miss the game with a minor injury.

It seems like a lifetime ago, and a seismic cultural shift away from where we ought to be. Was it possible that Moyes was really as bad as we thought? I can't help but think what his astute transfer moves would be worth today. His scouting network really was something special.

I don't think Touson is the answer; Niasse gives 100% and will get goals but will be lucky to get double figures. We need a left-back; I think Bainsey is coming to the end of his career. Players like Sandro, Klaassen, and Dowell, to name a few, are not good enough.

That small passage is something I've rarely seen Gueye do. And never Schneiderlin. I wonder if after a good loan at Boro that Besic might be able to seriously compete for a role in our team; currently, the competition in the middle is slightly underwhelming. Joe Williams is another who did well on loan last year and might fancy a shot once he comes back from injury.

It would seem he hasn't changed as my mate said: He'll be brilliant in one passage of play and then give the ball away and put the opposition in on goal, loses his head and risks red cards on a regular basis, and very often loses concentration and can be invisible in the big games.

He (my mate) reckons Boro is Besic's level.

It was only Bury, I know, but it doesn't matter if it was Real Madrid because midfielders should always be looking to move the game forwards at times, and we definitely need someone capable of doing this – otherwise, we are never going to improve.