Everton have successfully landed exciting Italian striker Moise Kean from Juventus in a deal that is officially undisclosed but reported as initially being worth £25.1m.
The Blues won the race for the highly-rated teenager, fending off reported interest from the likes of Arsenal and Manchester United and he signed a five-year contract after completing a successful medical. He will wear the No 27 shirt.
It is thought the Serie A club will have first option on Kean (apparently pronounced "Kehn") should Everton decide to sell him in the future but there is no buy-back clause in the deal, negotiated to be paid in three instalments, that could rise to £27.5m if appearance-related add-one are triggered.
"I am very proud and honoured to wear the Everton shirt. I will give my best to this team," Kean said on evertontv.
"I was convinced to sign because Everton is a club looking to the future and so am I. I know about the size of the club. It has big ambition and I will work very hard to help us fulfill what we want to achieve.
"I am used to winning and I want to bring this winning attitude to the team. I hope I will be very good on the field and bring the fans joy.”
His new manager, Marco Silva said after the signing was announded: "A striker was one of our priority signings this summer.
"Moise is strong, fast, with many good qualities as a striker and he is just 19 years old. He has talent and he is ready to work, ready to improve our squad and gives us different solutions."
Born in Vercelli, Italy, to Ivorian parents, Kean joined Juventus when he was 10 following spells in the youth setups at Asti and Torino. 24 goals in 25 games in the 2015-16 season for Juve's academy signalled his promise as he prepared to make the step up as a professional and he would make his senior bow in November 2016 at the age of 16 years and 23 days, replacing Mario Mandžukić in a 3—0 win over Pescara in Serie A to become the youngest debutant in Juventus history.
He would make 35 appearances in the Italian league over the next three seasons for Verona on loan and for Juve, scoring seven times for the "Old Lady" (the first of which establishing him as the first player born in the 2000s to score in Europe's five big leagues), while also becoming a full Italy international, earning three senior caps and scoring two goals.
He arrives at Everton as one of the hottest young prospects in the European game.
Reader Comments (385)
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
1 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:31:57
2 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:32:11
3 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:34:03
4 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:34:42
But wetill need another goalscorer
5 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:34:50
6 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:34:52
7 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:35:22
8 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:38:59
9 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:39:40
10 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:39:53
11 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:40:59
12 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:41:19
13 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:41:59
Still won't detract any previous allusions to Riaola being a limbless reptile, I was beginning to think the worst to be honest, and I don't believe I was alone in that.
Welcome aboard lad, no pressure, but anything less than a Hat-Trick against Watford will be deemed as failure. :-)
14 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:42:28
Wonder if we'll see him on Saturday. Must be worth a punt with the options we have. Calvert-Lewin off the bench.
15 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:44:18
M & M have really pulled out a miracle. This kid is apparently the real deal, he's feisty, energetic, and has point to prove.
16 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:44:22
17 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:46:29
18 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:46:50
19 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:48:44
20 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:49:32
21 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:50:10
Barcelona (×3), Man City and now Juventus...and - ehrm - Watford and Huddersfield.
Steve Walsh he ain't!
22 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:50:17
I am an old git from Scottie Road, hope he does the business on the field. COYB.
23 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:51:09
24 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:52:10
25 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:53:30
26 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:57:24
27 Posted 04/08/2019 at 11:57:34
This for me. The rest of the statements/speeches don't matter.
28 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:00:22
Superb work by Brands, and he's not finished yet.
29 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:01:29
The last 2 signings have really changed the complexion of the squad.
At least one more in, maybe another 2 loans also.
This is an exciting signing, Kean and Richarlison up front has to be among the most exciting young forward lines in the league, my dream is of Cebolinha joining on the left. And with Brands at the top, why would they move, all their ambitions can be met here.
30 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:01:57
31 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:04:02
32 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:10:12
33 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:13:15
To the rest of the Premier League: We're coming to get you!!
34 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:13:24
If I'm honest I know nothing of this lad and hadn't even heard of him till we showed interest.
What sort of player is he? I've heard mention of a younger Lukaku. Anyone on here seen him play? What's your opinion of him?
35 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:14:26
36 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:15:35
37 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:15:52
38 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:15:56
39 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:16:14
40 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:16:21
A class signing with loads to offer and more potential besides.
I've been pretty happy so far with our summer and it just got loads better and still five days to go to wrap things up nicely.
41 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:16:33
Welcome Moise, this lad will be a superstar.
42 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:17:41
I wonder if he'll make his debut at Goodison Park in the Watford game?
43 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:18:00
44 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:19:24
And, in the process, we've steadily chipped away at permanently or temporarily, ridding ourselves of the dead or never-to-be wood; an exercise desperately needed and not yet over.
So, right now, the net spend, at face value, doesn't appear monstrous. The big difference is that unlike the years of having to sell to buy, we are doing sound business that improves the quality of the squad.
I've said before and will boldly say again; United are all over the place, Chelsea have taken a gamble with their emotionally charged Lampard decision, Tottenham could be psychologically effected by last season & being nearly men for the past 3 seasons (cue Pochettino outburst this wee), whilst Arsenal are well Arsenal (inconsistent & unpredictable). Top 6 is realistic; top 4 dare I say, is achievable. just don't do an Everton!!!
Interesting times ahead (I hope!!).
45 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:19:45
46 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:21:10
47 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:22:25
Hes going to need time to adapt and we need to be patient but, if he fulfils his obvious potential, we could have our first £100M+ player on our hands.
48 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:23:23
49 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:24:10
Good summer so far - youth and quality in, some old folk moved on and we haven't exactly broken the bank:
c. £85M spent (plus add-ons could be up to £94M)
c. £68M recouped
So as Silva has said I really can't see the spending over by a long chalk yet, be surprised if he doesn't get another 3 in as he's said.
Judging by some of the bids (and the apparent genuine interest in Zaha/Malcom alongside these others), I reckon there's another £50-60M in the kitty before we consider offloading some assets.
Talking of which, as teams get desperate this week there's got to be at least another £40M between some of Bolasie, McCarthy, Tosun, Schneiderlein, Onyekuru, Besic and Niasse), if we could move on 3 or 4 of these to lighten the wage load all the better.
50 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:25:09
51 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:27:04
Another couple of players, a central defender and a versatile winger of the same ilk as our last signings and I think we will have a serious chance of a top-six place.
Should be interesting at the very least.
52 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:27:35
53 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:27:48
54 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:27:51
My Italian isnt great but I couldve done a better job than she did.
55 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:28:11
56 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:31:13
57 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:35:58
58 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:39:08
59 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:39:11
I think Everton and Leicester are going to be the two teams that break the Sky 6 monopoly this season; 5th and 6th respectively.
60 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:42:22
Great news on Kean, personally I think this kid is gonna set the Premier League alight next season. Super happy!!! :-)
61 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:43:59
God knows the offense has been stuttering for a long time and sadly Calvert-Lewin, Tosun, Niasse and Walcott have not cut the mustard. Mirallas and Bolasie are two others that are not up to snuff and Sandro was a waste of time.
Sigurdsson behind this lad and Richarlison may just do the trick so let's keep our fingers crossed that it all comes together sooner than later.
62 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:49:17
63 Posted 04/08/2019 at 12:54:04
66 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:04:51
67 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:15:09
68 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:15:36
No, even now it's been a good window. I'm sad Gueye went, he was a good player, but we've defo been compensated!
69 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:20:05
I'll get me coat!! 😁😁😁
70 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:20:11
Rakitic is a good shout.
71 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:28:02
72 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:35:59
We've talked before extensively about your perceived sense of humour, let's keep to our strengths now.
73 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:38:58
I'm not sure whether he will pitch him in from the off, or wait, and depending on what's happening, introduce him from the bench, or, save him till the Watford game.
I would imagine a lot will depend on what happens at Finch Farm in training this coming week, and also whoever else we bring in before the window slams shut.
74 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:40:00
For the life of me, I just don't get Juventus letting this lad go at 19 with all ahead of him. Just does not make any sense...
75 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:43:02
76 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:46:53
As you say, it works for the fuckers across the park. Play Kean inside left - Digne does so much work down the wing, we don't need an out-and-out winger there, keep Richarlison at inside right linking up with Coleman, which he did pretty well last season.
77 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:54:40
So much (already proven) potential in this boy at just 19. Hard working, hard running, not shy to mix it when defenders get physical, great touch and control in tight situations, good anticipation in the box and no messing with his finishing.
It's about time his agent Mino Raiola did us a favour.
78 Posted 04/08/2019 at 13:59:18
79 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:03:07
Well done to Brands. What an asset he is to Everton.
80 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:07:12
Chris, does that make it the hat-trick shirt?
81 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:08:21
Then, when he scores, complimented.
82 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:08:38
As in other walks of life, the impatient, gobby people who clearly don't negotiate are very quick to criticise the patient, diligent people who are clearly very good at it.
We could be fun to watch this season!
83 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:12:45
84 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:15:18
85 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:16:06
86 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:16:53
That's not entirely correct, it's pronounced as per this Link
87 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:18:41
And the excitement hasn't reached it's peak yet. 🤐
88 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:22:59
89 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:24:00
90 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:24:03
91 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:26:47
I feel shattered.
92 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:30:08
93 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:40:11
94 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:43:49
95 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:45:47
Like Colin Glassar mentioned before, what do you expect getting a translator fresh out of Wetherspoons, when you could have got one in the Bella Italia for a penne or two! Load of Bolognese eh!
96 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:48:15
Welcome lad to a club that will appreciate and get right behind you, Well done, Brands, on this – no buy-back if I am right. Great stuff! Very forward-thinking.
Now let's Free Zouma and buy Zaha (not being greedy but I only want to see Walcott coming on this season if we are 3 goals up).
97 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:50:46
98 Posted 04/08/2019 at 14:51:39
Bernard on the left, Kean in the middle, Richarlison on the right.
And maybe one more to come. Exciting times
99 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:13:40
100 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:15:00
Calvert-Lewin to play there sometimes, rotated with Kean.
101 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:15:02
102 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:15:38
Welcome Moise, bang ‘em in son.
Announced on a Sunday? Odd. Dont care though, just glad we got him.
103 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:17:44
105 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:21:47
106 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:22:28
A few things of note from the videos. Firstly, he speaks through a translator. Second though, on twitter, he says a few things in English. Not just the "come on you blues", which i'm sure we could all repeat in Italian if it was us in his shoes in a reverse type situation, he is asked about Enlgish Culture and replies "cup of tea"! He also says a few other things. Therefore, my takeaway is a lad who does know English and just needs a bit more confidence and will quickly be conversant. That means no communication issues on the pitch and in training. Which is very important.
Also, he confirms his name. In Evertonian terms, it is MOYES KEANE. I assume that he was polite and let the Italians butcher it and now he's told us the correct way we will say it correct. Lucas Digne let the Spanish say his name wrong as well.
107 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:23:07
108 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:24:12
109 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:24:15
110 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:26:27
Interested to know how much other fans know about him.
111 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:32:55
Is this potentially the death knell for Sigurdsson? Im increasingly concerned whilst his output is good but at what expense? He rarely impacts the games in other ways. Everton are desperate for more rounded players.
This feels like evolution.
112 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:33:05
113 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:36:01
114 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:37:49
115 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:39:00
If we can get rid of Onyekuru to Monaco for £12-14 million we've only spent about £10 million so far
With more deadwood to get rid of we might finish up in a positive!
116 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:47:18
117 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:54:01
Gomes is not a 90 minute player, Delph has not played regular football for 2/3 seasons, Sigurdsson can only play 4-2-3-1.
Midfield still a problem for me. However it feels like he wants to have the 4-3-3 option or totally change it.
118 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:54:04
Im sure well still in the market for a centre back and a loanee right-back. Getting the CB in will complete a good summers transfers but, if not, we can always hope Mina steps up.
119 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:56:18
He is what our club has needed for years.
120 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:56:44
They even have the eventual cost of Moise Kean, not the initial fee, (eventually rising with add-ons) to make it more dramatic, you'd never have thought that with Sky would you? :-)
121 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:57:08
122 Posted 04/08/2019 at 15:58:48
124 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:00:53
John, I think Gueye and Sigurdsson could only be played in 4-2-3-1. I like Sigurdsson. He seems a nice guy and he's got a lot to offer, but I think Marco won't be shy to remove him from the line-up and play 4-3-3 when it's the better formation to beat the opposition. Sigurdsson then being a Plan B from the bench with a change of formation.
Gbamin is the key man here and a lot depends on him and how he adapts.
125 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:01:06
126 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:03:49
The shirt number being indicative of the number of goals he will get would be fantastic, and would surely earn him Freedom of Bramley-Moore Dock!
Now there's very few with that accolade. :-)
127 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:03:54
Thanks for that. I didn't recall if he played 4-3-3 at Hull or Watford. I could see it at Watford actually with their pacey attackers.
128 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:04:06
129 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:06:06
Olympiacos: 4-3-3 league, 4-2-3-1 Champions League
Hull City: 4-1-3-2 / 4-2-3-1
Watford: 4-2-3-1 mostly
Everton: 4-2-3-1 mostly
130 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:06:43
But we need to remember, he's only 19.
He will improve if guided right within a positive atmosphere. But I can't see him being the 30 goal striker in his first season that many are craving.
Mistakes, sloppy play, missed chances and all the usual mistakes young players make will be a part of his game. But, as a general improvement as a striker, he's a more natural finisher than Calvert-Lewin.
Hopefully it may spur him on to improve his finishing too but I expect Kean to also play on the wide roles whilst he develops his game.
131 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:12:07
132 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:15:48
133 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:17:44
Three in the middle the players need to be multi-faceted. There is no hiding place in 4-3-3.
134 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:22:11
Whether Siggy is involved in games as much as we want him to be, take out his goals and assists and we will be going backwards. He's our most productive player. We are already carrying players that don't score. We can't look to drop the ones that do.
I'm hoping Silva can show he knows what he's doing and can change things around better than he has. The best thing about Silva is the players seem to like him.
135 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:28:26
As for playing him deeper, been tried and failed. He lacks the box to box game. It's more than just running. It doesn't come naturally to him and he drifts back up the pitch instead of holding position.
I really like Sigurdsson. He's a good guy and speaks well about us. He's got a goal in him and like against Leicester, he can turn a game out of nowhere. However, he's never going to run a game or just grab the midfield and boss it. So we're stuck with 4-2-3-1.
Silva will start to play 4-3-3 more. Which means the wingers being a bit further forward and less defensive duties.
136 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:30:21
137 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:32:43
But there's more surgery required on the current squad. There always is. I've still got concerns over Mina, huge doubt that Delph will do much over a season and we will need another striker as all those tried to date have been woefully ineffective. Who was it used to say we're in transition ? And when we gel, watch out !
138 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:34:05
Check out this YT compilation of his season loan to Verona when he was just 18. It shows more of him and his all-round game against Serie A teams. The likes of both Milan clubs, Florentina, Roma and Sampodaria.
Given that he was just 18 in most of that reel, given that he was playing against Serie A defences who would cut their own mothers off at the knee rather than let them go past them, he looks very, very impressive.
How he controls and retains a ball at close quarters under pressure from 2-3 defenders.
How he runs at speed with the ball under his control at his feet.
How he 'stands up' defenders, feigning one way then the other, then going past them either side, leaving them sprawling on the floor.
How combative he is at close quarters and able to come away with the ball.
How aware he is of the possibilities in possession, playing in other players, NOT just playing for himself (as some accuse him of).
How he anticipates where the ball coming into the penalty area will land to give himself a chance of scoring.
How clean and clinical he is with his finishing.
139 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:46:21
141 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:49:56
143 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:53:29
144 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:54:27
Ive just read the Sunday Times assessment of all teams this season and the prediction is that we will finish one place behind West Ham. Given our form at the tail end of last season and the new signings, I fail to see how on earth the journalist arrived at this deluded conclusion. Clearly smoking the wacky!
145 Posted 04/08/2019 at 16:54:41
146 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:07:09
147 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:08:05
148 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:09:40
Chuffed we finally signed him though!!
Just Zaha, Zouma and Doucoure next please!
150 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:17:33
Especially when you consider how Man Utd negotiated £55M for Wan-Bissaka [lolz] and £80M for Maguire — no wonder they were sniffing around Brands at the end of last season!
151 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:21:16
I recall a' profile' interview he gave shortly after his Juve debut in which he spoke about having a very, very unpleasant childhood. History tends to indicate such people possess extraordinary drive, which is the most key component required to succeed at this beautiful game.
152 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:22:00
John #34, damn straight and damn straight.
Rob #133, hope you've managed at least a small smile, mate.
Paul T #122, I think the number on the shirt is irrelevant, but I love your interpretation.
Steve #107, the name thing is incurable. Digne's been with the club a full year and on yesterday's broadcast Snods was still pronouncing it Deen-ye.
153 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:22:54
Even more amazing is they've (United) apparently agreed to sign Mandzukic for £15m, he's 33 years old and they're giving him a 3-year deal on £6.2m a year!!
Brands is quickly becoming one of our most important appointments in the last quarter century.
154 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:23:59
155 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:24:51
156 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:27:45
I was panicking over the last couple of days that something had gone wrong.
As well as kudos to Marcel I think we ought to give some credit to Mosh for allowing us to dream big.
157 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:33:18
This one's so big that even ESPN in the US is reporting on it, and they never post Premier League news that isn't Big 6.
158 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:37:56
There's more press coverage about it, and far more upset Juve fans than there were upset Chelsea fans. I think we have to go back to Kanchelskis but that was 1995, before the internet allowed mass communication like it does now, and we had just won the FA Cup.
159 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:43:02
Tony #155, what I like about him also is the way he moves off the ball. He makes very intelligent runs for such a young player.
160 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:49:54
161 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:51:04
I'm now convinced Marcel Brands is 100% the real deal. Cool, calm, professional and oozes charisma.
Mixt that in with Marco Silva a modern young raw coach who wants to play attacking football, then it's exciting times at EFC. I feel there has been a massive shift in the perception of the club and its almost as if players genuinely do actually want to come here now as they see a club on the rise.
It's the hope that kills you but at the moment the future looks bright...…….and its looking Royal Blue.
162 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:56:29
163 Posted 04/08/2019 at 17:58:49
164 Posted 04/08/2019 at 18:16:21
But, not before time, we seem to have someone who knows where the goal is. I have a smidgeon of optimism about this guy!!!
166 Posted 04/08/2019 at 18:33:28
"I don't want to piss on everyone's chips but..."
Love it, mate!
167 Posted 04/08/2019 at 18:38:59
Sorry for the late reply. Sigurdsson is a funny player, loads of talent but he doesn't seem to fit in that well with what's around him.
Honestly l cant remember seeing us play 4-3-3. He certainly would not suit it but l can't see Silva looking to drop that production. Then again we could play a diamond with Gbamin at the base Sigurdsson ahead of Gomes and Dacoure (or Bernard) if that rumour is true. That would allow us to play 2 up front, which l would love to see. I hate seeing Walcott and Bernard wide and tracking back, they don't look naturally suited to the roles they've been given. I actually preferred us with 3 at the back so that they had less tracking to do.
We have options, lm not overly confident in Silva. As l said, the players trust him so that says a lot. I think Brands might need another couple of windows but the way he's going l recon we can make the Champions League in 3 years.
168 Posted 04/08/2019 at 18:48:32
Tell ya what, I'm so happy that I'm almost ready to forgive Mr Brands for selling Robinson.
169 Posted 04/08/2019 at 18:57:23
Someone said you pronounce his name 'Key-ann'. Is this right or have we got two Keanes (phonetically speaking)?
BTW, I can't stop looking at the new stadium clip on the TV. Awesome.
170 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:00:03
However, I think I will reserve judgement when I see the bloated deadwood shipped out by him, and, if we get some financial return, then even better!
171 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:00:28
Essentially it's 'Moise' as in 'Moyes'...
And 'Kean' as in 'Keane'.
Which is contrary to how the commentators and experts said it in Italy.
172 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:02:26
What a great week; season ticket arrived, got a ticket for Palace and 2 class new signings. Cant wait for the game at Palace and hoping Moise and Gbamin get at least some minutes on the pitch.
174 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:04:13
175 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:12:02
176 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:21:55
177 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:26:49
I'm also feeling very optimistic about the coming season and the future beyond, but time will tell if we are indeed truly on a roll to the top table.
178 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:27:26
After yesterday's concerns, we have a bright new day.
179 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:34:31
Oh yeah, it is some signing. I hope it works out well for all concerned. -))
180 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:35:34
Amid the joy about Kean, I hold to the view that Calvert-Lewin will thrive this season. He's another fine young man and he will no longer be under the spotlight to the same extent. Once he relaxes and recovers confidence, I'm convinced he will deliver. Let's not forget about him.
181 Posted 04/08/2019 at 19:40:02
182 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:00:32
Just a youngster at 59 but isn't that what it is all about.
Ups and downs no doubt for a few months but if we don't share your feeling, we have given it all away to the billionaires.
183 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:10:51
185 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:14:31
However, I feel like a spoilt child after today.
Having successfully brought in Gbamin and Kean this week, I must admit to being frustrated and disappointed when I look at the TW rumour section, that we are not now being linked to another one, (or two, or three) exciting new additions to the squad, before next Friday.
Having lived through the "will he / won't he" saga of the past few days I think I have become an adrenaline junky and I liked it so much, I want another dose.
Please, Mr Brands?
186 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:15:17
187 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:15:29
188 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:19:45
189 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:23:44
190 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:28:58
191 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:31:39
I'd say this is achievable from Mr Brands!
192 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:34:15
Hugh J #185, I think you're showing the first signs of Transfer Addiction, the insatiable craving for more and more signings. We'll know for sure if you experience withdrawal symptoms when the window closes on Thursday.
193 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:35:30
194 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:36:35
I see Man Utd were being linked with a move for Neres but Ajax wasn't £75-80 million apparently. Can't see us getting involved at that sort of price.
195 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:43:11
Neil #194, doesn't matter what position Rakitic plays, you just put him on the pitch and watch the side win. No way it will happen, however -- not conceivable that he would go to a non-CL club. Nice dream, though.
197 Posted 04/08/2019 at 20:57:20
198 Posted 04/08/2019 at 21:19:04
199 Posted 04/08/2019 at 21:21:44
200 Posted 04/08/2019 at 21:22:25
201 Posted 04/08/2019 at 21:25:00
202 Posted 04/08/2019 at 21:28:43
But why are we assuming this guy is the messiah? I hope he is but I don't know enough about him to say so. What I do know is DCL is the real deal – and he will put a shift in; goals or no goals, his kit will need washing.
203 Posted 04/08/2019 at 21:38:16
206 Posted 04/08/2019 at 21:47:13
Have you been on the ale all day? Have you not heard Barca and Man City are fighting to sign DCL. We will be lucky to keep hold of our wonder kid.
207 Posted 04/08/2019 at 21:47:56
Should be like the rest of us and not even try.
Worrying whether this is an omen. Wife is away so doing a wash and the washing machine door has started leaking. Hope our defence doesn't...
208 Posted 04/08/2019 at 21:54:01
209 Posted 04/08/2019 at 22:01:20
210 Posted 04/08/2019 at 22:06:59
211 Posted 04/08/2019 at 22:08:34
Almost word for word what I was thinking. He's not Maradona and will need a network of skill and patience around him if he is to succeed.
Those 3 players you named... word for word.
I want Zaha. Period!
He's cunning, quick, skillfull, creative, unpredictable, entertaining and can terrorise any defender in the country. Even Man City have to mark him two up. If you think Moise Kean is dangerous then Zaha is a severe threat level!
Could you imagine the partnership?
If no Zouma then a loan move for Tomori. In defence or defensive midfield, Tomori has the capabilities to be a beast of a player.
Hope we don't sign error ridden Rojo or that piece of crap Phil Jones. Man Utd want to get rid for a reason... are we still that gullible?
4 days to see if we truly have ambition. I hope the best is yet to come!
213 Posted 04/08/2019 at 22:25:16
Whether it be weights, gym work, diet, fitness etc they need to be paired up. I would even make them room mates as they are of similar ages.
Simms is a clinical finisher who is hungry however he needs to mentally and physically mature in certain areas.
If he familiarises and identifies key missing elements which he see's in his gym buddy, then in a couple of years we might just have another young player in the making.
214 Posted 04/08/2019 at 22:26:05
Nowadays, if the player doesn't fit the M&M profile and template, there is no place for them here.
215 Posted 04/08/2019 at 22:33:02
Doesn't stop me reacting to those silly rumours though.
Message to self... turn off Newsnow!.
216 Posted 04/08/2019 at 22:48:23
217 Posted 04/08/2019 at 22:49:10
Unbelievable. I'd rather not sign anyone than any, or all, of those three.
218 Posted 04/08/2019 at 22:55:34
I read that rumour as well. Completely deflated my chest.
If we sign 2 or 3 more and Delph (on paper) is considered the weakest of the lot then that is a bloody good window.
219 Posted 04/08/2019 at 23:00:52
220 Posted 04/08/2019 at 23:25:32
Add to that that from early March he never played again to the end of that season due to an abdominal muscle tear, missing 12 games, AND that he was playing for a team that was relegated with a minus 48 goal difference, finishing 19th in a 20 team league.
It makes at his performances aged just 18 look all the better IMO.
221 Posted 04/08/2019 at 23:28:18
222 Posted 04/08/2019 at 23:52:50
Holgate and Pennington don't give me confidence but as football has changed due to different formations being used by many clubs depending on who the opponents are, you can do well with only 3 at the back and five across the middle in some form or other.
Getting new blood is great but a lot depends now on Silva and the strategies he adopts to get his starting eleven working as a tightly knit unit.
223 Posted 04/08/2019 at 00:09:52
Massive statement signing.
Genuinely shocked we pulled this one off to be honest.
Brands making moves in the transfer market like he's playing Football Manager. I'm loving it!
If this goes well and he starts banging them in and making the headlines, then it will start making us seem a very attractive option for more of the great young talent out there who are facing a few more years on the bench at some of Europe's top teams.
Big season ahead.
224 Posted 04/08/2019 at 00:43:58
Wow! Well done all!
225 Posted 05/08/2019 at 00:44:06
226 Posted 05/08/2019 at 00:46:42
Kean DCL Rich
Bernard just behind them unlocking it all.
It's a tough one for Siggy, and I can already hear Mike Gaynes reminding us for the upteenth time that Bernard doesn't play centrally, but Bernard is gold with a ball, and I think he'll feed that front three like an all you can eat buffet!
Either way, this kid looks gold. Powerful, aggressive, a left tricep made of titanium as he bats defenders away protecting the ball. He looks like a Lukaku with speed, but more importantly magic feet and a drive I'd argue Lukaku lacked at points.
And he clearly doesn't mind contact. I thought, "hockey player on feet" after watching Laurie Hartley's clip on YT.
Youtube can tell any story, but Jesus this kid has me pumped.
227 Posted 05/08/2019 at 00:50:18
228 Posted 05/08/2019 at 00:58:56
I know he didn't just walk into the first team, but that's as close as I can get. He was a talent, and I think many were pumped about the kid early days. I was.
229 Posted 05/08/2019 at 01:00:56
The boy is not allowed to cut his hair!
The last dred-lock dude we had cut it off, and just like Samson, lost all his power.
I want to see those locks bouncing for years to come.
230 Posted 05/08/2019 at 01:13:53
Brands seems to be building a squad as opposed to a strong starting 11 where we have quality competition for places and alternative options for different assignments
Gana was great at what he did, and I suspect he has been signed at PSG to do the leg work to allow their attacking players to to have less defensive duties. They dont need a holding midfielder in the french league. He was great for us, but Gomes had to drop deep too much.
For too long we have lacked creativity and guile in central midfield, now we are solid. We have two promising forwards, both young, and different players. But both are physically in good shape and capable of improving
The big thing, there are now options to change the set up, be it tactical or forced through injury or drop in form. I agree with those who say we dont need cover for Coleman but a challenger for his place as the best teams have a quality 22 not 11. Every player should be fighting week in, week out for their place, thats what will drive on performance
Finally, Brands. This guy is the real deal. Utd must be kicking themselves that they didnt get in there!! If we finish 8 th again with this squad we are still quids in! He is managing the outlay and getting players in that, if they reach their potential, will either propel the club up the table or bring in significant profits in transfer fees that will help the club moving forwards even if the success in terms of league placement doesnt improve
Very excited to see where this season goes
231 Posted 05/08/2019 at 01:20:31
232 Posted 05/08/2019 at 01:22:21
Not to say in anyway its where it should be, but look at how Chelsea have acted on catching fans who act inappropriately in this regard. Banned. A small group of idiots compared to what our new signing faced.
I suspect he wanted out because of that treatment, and the PL is ahead of Italy and Spain in that respect
233 Posted 05/08/2019 at 01:44:31
Im hoping that Brands will turn us into the premier leagues version of Ajax.
234 Posted 05/08/2019 at 02:17:33
Dumfries from PSV
Zouma from Chelski
Neres from Ajax
Get shut of Morgs, Theo, Kev, Niasse, Bolasie
Bench: Mina, DCL, Bernie, Lossl, Macca, Baines, Coleman
Well who says I can't dream, at least?
235 Posted 05/08/2019 at 03:11:39
Tamhas #234, of course you can, but if you really think Dumfries could displace Coleman, your dream generator has blown a fuse. No chance.
236 Posted 05/08/2019 at 04:29:17
237 Posted 05/08/2019 at 04:38:47
Looks as if we're no longer a dumping ground, or a feeder club, for other clubs.
238 Posted 05/08/2019 at 06:03:38
239 Posted 05/08/2019 at 06:57:44
He's also exemplary with his relentless effort at both ends of the pitch. With Gana gone he's the first name on every team sheet for me, and the clear choice for captain if Seamus isn't on the pitch.
And Annika, despite having the best first touch on the club, Bernard isn't half the passer Siggy is. He's certainly quicker, but he just doesn't have the accuracy or the vision Siggy does.
240 Posted 05/08/2019 at 07:00:41
241 Posted 05/08/2019 at 07:05:19
242 Posted 05/08/2019 at 07:27:32
243 Posted 05/08/2019 at 07:57:03
He works hard for the team and is a goal threat!
If Zahas stats make him an 80m player ( I dont believe he is !) then Siggys certainly compare with those!
244 Posted 05/08/2019 at 08:21:13
245 Posted 05/08/2019 at 08:27:40
246 Posted 05/08/2019 at 08:34:07
247 Posted 05/08/2019 at 08:40:06
248 Posted 05/08/2019 at 08:40:20
Kean and Gbamin have got to be starters but would wait to introduce too many more. Delph could be seen as interchangeable, I guess?
Kean is a cracking sign of intent and expect our goal difference to go up!
249 Posted 05/08/2019 at 08:46:12
250 Posted 05/08/2019 at 08:50:23
He will be the first player born in this millennium to play for Everton's first team.
251 Posted 05/08/2019 at 08:50:23
He will be the first player born in this millennium to play for Everton's first team.
252 Posted 05/08/2019 at 08:50:23
He will be the first player born in this millennium to play for Everton's first team.
253 Posted 05/08/2019 at 09:01:23
Gbamin has a silent b apparently. Garmin.
254 Posted 05/08/2019 at 09:02:52
Im expecting the ‘G in Gbamin is very much audible.
A song to the tune of Bob Marleys ‘Were Jammin is surely not far away.
255 Posted 05/08/2019 at 09:12:02
256 Posted 05/08/2019 at 09:12:41
257 Posted 05/08/2019 at 09:17:12
Maybe John McFarlane can come up with the answer.
258 Posted 05/08/2019 at 09:20:41
259 Posted 05/08/2019 at 09:26:24
Deffo need another winger in. Zaha I cant see happening anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if Welbeck comes in on deadline day. If he could stay fit he'd be a great free signing.
Scratching my head on Clough signing. Did you mean to say Venables (Lineker)
260 Posted 05/08/2019 at 09:27:57
261 Posted 05/08/2019 at 09:31:43
262 Posted 05/08/2019 at 09:36:33
Will Kean play centrally or will his lack of aerial prowess mean that he takes the LW spot where his dribbling comes more into play?
Could Sigurdsson play the attacking box to box role or does that make us too slow in the middle? And if Zaha or another RW or LW does come in then who drops out? Presumably Bernard?
Good to have options but hope we dont spend too long tinkering for the right system/lineup.
I think the much maligned DCL was a crucial part of our excellent end of season run. I think Silva might want to keep his aerial presence, work rate and link up in order to facilitate Kean and Richarlison getting goals, something like Firmino does for Salah and Mane.
Might this be our team (not including future incomings):
Coleman Keane Mina Digne
Gomes Gbamin Sigurdsson
Richarlison Calvert-Lewin Kean
263 Posted 05/08/2019 at 10:08:00
Peter With played for Southport along with a lot of ex Everton players old and young. I think the old South Liverpool club was a supply line too, even that redneck John Bishop played for the 'Port.
264 Posted 05/08/2019 at 10:21:19
266 Posted 05/08/2019 at 10:45:07
267 Posted 05/08/2019 at 10:54:26
I'd imagine that will be Marco's first consideration.
268 Posted 05/08/2019 at 11:10:45
269 Posted 05/08/2019 at 11:13:40
You're right, Tony. He signed for Forest from Long Eaton for £2,000. Long Eaton is only 7 or 8 miles from Nottingham centre, just over the border in Derbyshire.
Birtles, a carpet fitter before signing for Forest, went on to play for Man Utd but transferred back to Forest, then went to Notts County and Grimsby. No connection with this part of the world.
270 Posted 05/08/2019 at 11:29:22
271 Posted 05/08/2019 at 11:30:51
We always moan at young players not getting a chance, and in Gibson, we have a young, left footed central defender who looks absolute quality.
If we're sign a centre back, he'll be pushed even further back and probably another year of u23 or some pointless loan.
If he isn't our third choice, then he has a real chance of getting 20 games this season and could well be first choice come the end of the season.
But maybe is too much to ask?
There was talk of loaning Chelsea's young centre back, which is beggers belief (why develop their youngsters and leave ours?).
Maybe if we could get a loan of an old head, just to be sure
But Gibson looks a talent and worthy of 3rd choice.
Holgate not a bad 4th choice.
And Mina, well I still rate highly. But we only need someone if he doesn't reach fitness.
272 Posted 05/08/2019 at 11:41:49
They should be sent away on loan first to gain experience and make mistakes for other teams. If they the cut the mustard we should recall them.
For me the likes of DCl and Davies need to raise their game or they are going to be left behind. If DCL doesnt improve his goals to games ratio then he should be shipped out. When we didn't have a pot to piss in we had to wait around to see if players could come good now we don't. In the cut throat chase for the top 4 or 6 you need your first team 11 to be the best it can be that means if DCL doesn't start scoring then hes out I'm afraid.
273 Posted 05/08/2019 at 11:56:15
Sure your not confusing Birtles with Davenport? Think he played for either Cammel Laird or Vauxhalls in the West Cheshire league some years ago.
(I'm too lazy to google sorry)
274 Posted 05/08/2019 at 11:56:35
Although the jury is out on Mina I wouldn't trust the guy getting out of a bath without injuring himself.
275 Posted 05/08/2019 at 12:03:24
Nowadays of course positions are renamed but I still believe in those areas being the most important and hopefully Everton have done a lot to get that permutation.
Pickford is a top keeper, Keane is a top centre back and in Richarlison/Kean they may have a strike force that will get things done.
276 Posted 05/08/2019 at 12:10:35
277 Posted 05/08/2019 at 12:16:02
I was in the players lounge at Forest, the year we won the league in 1985, talking to Alan Hill who was on the coaching staff at Forest, he said to me Ive just seen Cloughie giving your manager, Howard Kendall, a playful smack on the face and telling him off for trying to poach Peter Davenport from Forest.
278 Posted 05/08/2019 at 12:23:55
As for Kean, he's got a lot of people expecting immediate returns. I'll go out on a limb here and say that come the end of the season it will be Calvert-Lewin that will have done more to further his reputation than Kean. I obviously hope Kean hacks up and scores 20+ this season, but I'd be happy to see him contributing to a successful season even if he's just a bit-part player to begin with.
279 Posted 05/08/2019 at 12:24:27
Brands is now recruiting big proven talents from around the world, our stock is rising but our "kids" are more likely to be South American, Italian or African in the future.
However I don't think he will start against CP with either Gbamin or Kean in the starting eleven as they have had virtually no pre-season and do not know their teammates or Silva's tactics sufficiently. If Delph is injured I wouldn't be surprised if Schniderlin starts and I expect DCL to be leading the line.
280 Posted 05/08/2019 at 12:24:52
281 Posted 05/08/2019 at 12:33:51
The only thing wrong with the original claim was that the lad was nineteen, Wilkinson was around twenty one, so youd be splitting hairs with the claim.
282 Posted 05/08/2019 at 12:36:59
I think if transfers were made now we'd get around:
Dowell - £8-10 million
JJK - £6-8 million
Tom Davies - £12-15 million
Baningime - £1-2 million
Holgate - £10-12 million
DCL - £20+ million
I think saying that these players are miles behind some of our new recruits is a bit harsh. Having said that, I expect that at least 3 of them will have left Everton for good within the next 24 months.
283 Posted 05/08/2019 at 12:44:02
So we got mugged off twice with Clough, and Saunders also turning us down twice.
Probs is Paul Wilkinson then.
285 Posted 05/08/2019 at 12:52:56
I am clearly missing this wonderful passing you allude to. . . and "Siggi for Captain" is laughable! We need a vocal Captain, not someone you hardly know is on the pitch. He wouldn't be on my team sheet at all, never mind a first name. But, as he usually does, no matter how poorly he performs, no matter how little he creates, he gets a free pass from some people.
286 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:26:33
287 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:31:09
288 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:38:30
289 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:38:44
Regarding his creativity, we already know he led the club with 6 assists. With a similar number of overall passes, Bernard produced 3.
According to official EPL stats Siggy created 11 big chances for other players, second on the club to Digne (who led the Prem in crosses). Bernard had 4.
Siggy played 19 through balls last season. Again with a similar number of passes, Bernard was second on the club with 7.
Siggy isn't creative enough for you, but the fact is he is currently the most creative player on the club, doing much more with his passes than Bernard does. The numbers prove it.
There is simply no indication that Bernard, even if he wants to play centrally (which I doubt), would do as well as Siggy there.
290 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:49:01
Andre is a pass-sprayer. Moves the ball around beautifully, especially in the air. But he dictates nothing.
291 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:52:56
Sigurdsson is great Mike, he just does not dominate the midfield and run the game. He's got exquisite passing, vision, a great shot, but sometimes it seems games just pass him by. Of course, he's our most dangerous player and often they will mark him too heavily, but he doesn't drop back and try to find the space. Sure, we don't want him too deep, where he is less effective, but sometimes you just need to get on the ball deep and try to get some momentum, just get something, anything going.
Kieran - a water carrier? Is that a wind up? Deschamps couldn't kick the ball 5 yards, let alone put it on someone's foot from 40 yards. Is it any wonder that Gomes best passes where the diagonal balls to Digne, a player with the ability to control the pass without breaking stride, whereas the less technical players couldn't enjoy such passes as they wouldn't come off. With some confidence on both sides, and experience from playing more with him in training, expect Gomes to be doing more of that. Water Carrier my arse. He's one of the best passers in all of the League.
292 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:54:26
293 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:57:01
Your figures are completely meaningless given that Bernard plays a different position to Sigurdsson. As we have never seen Bernard play in the middle, what is the basis of your argument that he wouldn't be effective there?
You now think that Sigurdsson will look good because he may have more movement up front with Kean. As far as I am concerned, you are either creative, or not. Sigurdsson isn't. Tell me, how many teams were we fighting with to get Sigurdsson signed?!!!!
294 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:57:47
The problem Gomes had last season was he was far too deep. He was getting the ball off the defence and was staying that deep. We need him further up the pitch where when we are camped on the edge of the box he can be the one dropping off and demanding the ball. When he was on a purple patch last season, he was doing this. Maybe you didn't see it as much on TV, but he would be on each flank as the man available for the backwards pass, and always trying to move into such a position.
His influence will grow this season. You will see more of the Benfica and Valencia Gomes. The Benfica Gomes in particular played a lot further forwards. Silva says he's an 8, but he played as a 6. He needs to play as an 8. Get him up the pitch so he can dominate the midfield.
295 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:58:28
296 Posted 05/08/2019 at 13:58:51
297 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:04:09
If we can make Goodison a fortress and improve away from home then we could have a decent season. Even with Chelsea, Arsenal and Man United in transition, it's gonna be tough to get anything higher than 7th though. Would love to see us get favourable home draws and go on a cup run though. This needs to be a priority for Silva.
298 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:04:30
299 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:08:21
300 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:08:58
301 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:16:25
Annika #293, Bernard had just as much of the ball as Siggy last season, just as far forward, and with a lot more space and time. He just did less with it. Moving him 25 yards to his right would make no difference. And of all the comments you've made about Siggy, I cannot think of anything less relevant to his abilities as a player than whether other teams wanted to sign him. (We didn't have to outbid anybody for Gana or Digne or Richarlison either.) So I'll just leave it there with you.
James #298, I noticed that too. And I'm hoping that with Kean on the pitch, a lot fewer of those will roll through untouched.
302 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:19:08
303 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:21:19
Personally, I consider Siggy's goal and assist returns AND the incisive passing of last season that - due to OTHER players' failings - were not converted into goals makes a mockery of your claims. The Ice Man will be first pick ahead of Bernard and Gomes all season long.
I'm in the camp that pre-season results and performances are not necessarily definitive of how the season will pan out. I'm also aware that players who perform badly pre-season is not necessarily an indicator of how they will play once the serious stuff kicks off.
That said, I consider that both Gomes and Bernard have been particularly poor pre-season. I side with the likes of Mike Gaynes and Sam Hoare who remain to be convinced by Gomes and don't see him as our playmaker, midfield general or whatever moniker you wish to hang on him (as per a recent thread discussion). Nor do I consider Sigurdson merits the title. We really don't have such a player in our squad, IMO.
I like Bernard. His partnership with Digne down the left is on a par with Baines and Pienaar at their height. But with the players we've already recruited, with hopefully more to follow before the transfer window shuts, I believe Bernard's place as a starter is the one most under threat going into the new season.
I primarily base that opinion on how in the impressive close to last season, with Richarlison on the right, DCL down the centre and Sigurdson just behind him, there was some scintillating football and interchanges of position and passing between them that bamboozled the opposition.
I am sure Silva will want to replicate that straight from the off going into the new season.
304 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:22:34
Bernard couldn't hit a cows arse with a Banjo and neither could DCL for that matter
305 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:22:48
306 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:30:03
307 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:51:52
When the opposition sit deep though, and ask us to break through them, like Burnley can do so well, it's important that we have a midfielder who can demand the ball and try to make something happen. This is where Gomes and Sigurdsson need to step up and show their talents.
308 Posted 05/08/2019 at 14:52:35
How anyone can slag off our best performing midfielder (goals & assists) last year is beyond me. H'e's also our hardest working player by a country mile. the only problem with Siggy is that no one else really pitched in apart from Richarlison. World class goals against Leicester and Man Utd also stick I the mind. Siggy's problem is that he can't be expected to do it every week he's not a one-man army.
Bernard for all his trickery has zero end product. As soon as he gets near the box he turns into a scooby doo parody. Either falling over his own legs or screwing it wide. But hey Bernard looks good on the ball so everything is alright then.
309 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:02:36
310 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:09:16
A 'playmaker', 'midfield general' or whatever other moniker you wish to apply is for me your 'go to' man on the pitch who others look to for leadership when things get sticky or the side needs lifting, some inspiration. He is the metronome, if you like, that beats out the ryhthm the team marches to.
I honestly don't think we have such a player in our squad. Or rather, not so much the player (we have some very talented players), as the personality which is perhaps the more telling characteristic rather than pure footballing ability.
Nor should such an influential player be limited to just one of XI or only found in midfield. The more talented personalities a team has, the better chance it has of winning as you are not over reliant on a single 'playmaker'. You just have to look over the park last season to see how transforming that proved for t'other lot.
311 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:11:28
Mike @301, I repeat, you cannot compare the stats of 2 players who played in completely different positions. You can quote all the stats you want, but they played different positions.
Daniel @308, I can make those statements because that is my opinion. You have yours, which I feel is wrong, but we are all entitled to our own opinion. But Sigurdsson can't be criticised so that's okay then? Creativity isn't a strong point with our so-called creative midfielder, but that's okay!!
312 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:23:32
If you want to get sniffy about attributing to you things you haven't said (verbatim) then don't, in the same post, make emotive and false claims that Mike (presumably Gaynes) and I are promoting ourselves as the "top authorities on all things Everton" or insisting that you should passively "accept [our] take on things."
Neither Mike nor I have done any such thing.
We are simply offering an alternative opinion to your own and in a civil way.
It is allowed, you know.
313 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:24:59
If the ends justify the means, you can argue he is in the mold of the old Italian teams. 89 minutes of defending, one attack, one goal, 1-0 win. But if you're looking at him being someone who constantly demands the ball and is continually creating, then he is not your man.
314 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:27:41
We have lost through transfers, Lookman and Gueye and from on loan Zouma.
We have signed Ghamin, (replacing Gueye), Delph who is a backup who can play in various positions Gomez who we had on loan last season, and a back up keeper.The only player we have signed to improve a position we struggled at is Kean, who we all hope, me included, becomes the prolific central striker we have needed for the last 2 seasons
My concern is that we have not improved the overall structure of the team apart from Kean and I am keeping my fingers crossed that we can bring in another winger, backup right back and central defender.
315 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:28:54
316 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:32:48
If we secure a Zouma and someone like Malcom, then we will have significantly improved the squad. I think we will replace Zouma (hopefully with Zouma), but a big name at RW seems less likely as the window clock ticks down.
317 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:37:03
I don't think now is the right time to even think about dropping our most productive player. He is also one of our most hard-working players, something that can go unnoticed as he doesn't always have a lot of time on the ball as you point out.
What Silva should be looking to do is find players or a system that gets the best of out of him and others. We are having an interesting window, Silva can't complain. We still have some improvements to go though.
In other news has anyone seen Zenit fans have made a banner apparently criticising their club for buying a black player. Fucking unbelievable.
318 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:53:40
Just to clarify, I wasn't advocating dropping Sigurdsson, I was just explaining how I can understand Annika's point of view. With that being said, sooner or later he will be replaced because of style/age but, as of this moment, he is the best option in my opinion.
319 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:54:42
Highlight for me, please, where I was not civil to you.
Highlight for me, please, where I "throw ridiculous stats around to try and prove a point".
YOU, by contrast, accuse both myself and Mike as promoting ourselves as the "top authorities on all things Everton" by insisting that you should passively "accept [our] take on things."
Total fabrication on your part. I simply offered MY opinion, even acknowledging you are evidently not to be persuaded otherwise on your own opinion of the three players I mentioned.
Given the (uncivil nature) of your first reply, your latest post claiming you "accept alternative opinions" rings a bit hollow to me. Rather, you are taking umbrage at others for offering their own reasoned alternative opinions to your own beliefs, rather than (oh, the irony) passively accepting your take on things.
Oh! And while I'm replying to you, your further comment to Mike in your post @ 311 in reference to Siggy and Bernard:
"You cannot compare the stats of 2 players who played in completely different positions. You can quote all the stats you want, but they played different positions."
Yessss...and...? Invert that. You can say exactly the same thing about Bernard assuming Siggy's central attacking midfield role. You have little or no evidence, empirical or statistical, to confirm your own belief beyond your own 'hunch'.
320 Posted 05/08/2019 at 15:56:07
321 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:02:14
Yes, l got that. I just didn't want to direct my post at Annika directly, she's got enough on her plate.
I do see Annika's point too as some games he looks anonymous, not that he ever stops running. Seems to me that Silva is tweaking things a bit. Looking forward to the season, obviously.
322 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:02:26
It depends, but I don't see Silva being in a hurry to play them in our early fixtures unless injuries force him to. What's the news on Delph?
As William says earlier we aren't a stronger side at the moment, a lot depends who we can add to the squad.
323 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:03:54
As for the number's adding up to 9, perhaps. He wore 9 for Verona, 18 for Juve last season, and now 27 for us. The only place it falls down is he wore 34 for Juve when he made his debut, the season before he left for Verona on loan.
324 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:09:54
We haven't had a player like you describe since Arteta, and there just aren't many of 'em around. I'd say no more than a third of Prem teams have a midfield commander like that -- Eriksen, Pogba, de Bruyne of course, Ryan Fraser, Moutinho, young Maddison maybe. Hard to come by.
325 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:14:11
326 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:14:33
Don't get so upset because people disagree. People on here disagree with me all the time but I don't get upset about it.
Football is an emotive subject; players getting slated on here soon get praised when they score a few goals. It's all fickle fun... but please chill. :-)
327 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:17:18
328 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:22:19
329 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:23:51
330 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:28:31
331 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:28:42
I was saddened to see Malcom make that choice, and I think he'll regret it quickly. He should have talked to Hulk first. I predict he stays one season only.
332 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:34:11
333 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:37:31
I think presenting Sigurdsson as a poor(er) player is well, well wide of the mark. He's an excellent footballer who does a ton for the team. He's just not a shiny, flashy player frankly.
I think discounting Bernard in the middle is also slightly off the mark, and this is the crux:
If you see Bernard's trickery, vision, and ability, do you think it's worth a try to put him in the middle?
I do. I think the possibility exists that we'd be a better, more dangerous side with Bernard behind the striker, rather than Sigurdsson.
If it doesn't work, scrap it. But I personally am stunned Silva hasn't at least tried it to date. I think that's because Silva thought if he did, he didn't have an adequate enough player coming into LM. But with the acquisition of Kean, and possibly (?) another winger (Americanism alert), I'd sure as hell just try Bernard behind the front line.
I truly believe he could be a revelation there.
I just want to see it once. Just one damn time. Surely Annika, I, and from memory a few others here on TW, aren't the only ones who've thought it could be an amazing set up?
334 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:37:35
Like Gomes, I think we will see the real Bernard this season, and you will be surprised.
Mike, why not throw in a cheeky bid now and try to offer him a way out of this before it even starts? At a reduced price and on reduced wages of course!
335 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:40:27
It's true the Bernard I have seen is the Bernard in Royal Blue and I would happily bet with you now he scores less that 5 this season :-)
336 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:41:25
If they move him to the middle, I'll take your bet. ;0)
337 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:46:50
But would you care to explain how you can reasonably compare the stats of 2 players who have played in entirely different positions? Maybe we should compare Pickford's stats with Sigurdsson's?
Nor am I forcing my opinion on anyone as you seem to suggest. I am merely giving my reasons for the opinions I have formed. But it seems my opinions are offensive to certain people if I don't accept their opinions as being the right ones.
With regards to the ridiculous stats I mentioned, I should have made it clear I was referring to Mike's stats.
338 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:52:25
Trouble is, what's in him just doesn't come out very often. I'm on Daniel A's side of the 5-goal prediction.
(Hey, that's twice I've agreed with Daniel A. today. That's more than I've agreed with him in years!)
But to me Bernard's goals are beside the point. I want to see him make more of them for other people. Doubling or tripling his assists would be a vital contribution.
339 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:52:52
Who knows how many Sigurdson will score? Who knows how many Bernard will score? And who knows how well Everton are going to do?
I reckon all three will do better than last season, but thats just my assumption, I just hope Im right for once.
340 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:58:20
342 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:59:23
The first is that Gremio rejected a €45M bid for Everton from China, the bid was €5M now and €40M in January.
Another is that apparently Malcom has been victim to disgusting racist abuse since his arrival in Russia and may request a transfer.
343 Posted 05/08/2019 at 16:59:51
I too think Bernard's skill set MAY be suited to the central role and I am pretty sure Silva said after the Sharks game that Bernard can play there. But, it's a hypothetical as I haven't seen him there so he might be crap. On the other hand it might be like when center half Ian Marshall tried his luck as a striker, or Jagielka as a goalie.
344 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:00:24
345 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:01:29
Talk about nit having a players best interest at heart
346 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:03:25
But then my sons both think I am talking nonsense, so there we have it - it's all about opinions on tactics. Personally, I'd like us to play 4-3-3 two pacey wide men supporting Keane. Where could Siggy fit in that set-up?
347 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:03:35
I am not angry with anyone about their opinions, everyone has their own and is fully entitled to them. I am not arguing with anyone about their opinion either, despite what Jay thinks.
What set me off was the sarcasm. Rightly or wrongly, I took the first paragraph of Jay's comment @303 as being sarcastic. At least that is how it reads to me.
TW wouldn't be the same if no-one expressed their opinion.
348 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:07:58
Entirely different positions?
They're both midfielders. Play next to each other, always within 20-25 yards of each other in the same general area of the pitch. Get the same number of touches, play the same number of passes. I cite facts that indicate one does much more with them than the other. And they're not my stats. They're the Premier League's official numbers.
Yet because you disagree, I'm "ridiculous."
And I'm the one being "uncivil"?
That'll do it for me. Back to other conversations.
349 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:08:57
350 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:11:09
351 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:23:12
Not that it "helps" the case but didn't he also play centrally as the fill-in for Neymar in the world cup semi final?
352 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:26:11
353 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:26:41
Now finally it seems we will have options, if Gomes is poor, Davies and Delph are ready to come
in. If DCL is fluffing his lines, in comes Kean. Rich is having a bad day, in comes Kean or whoever we sign next.
And with Siggy too, I think Bernard is an excellent alternative to games where Siggy isn't quite at the races.
Siggy, at this moment, is still our best player for 'goal from nowhere'. The one player we have who of he's got the ball within 25 yards of the goal the fans are on their feet.
But Bernard, with his intricate skills and quick movement could be ideal on games where there are 2 back lines of 4 to break through.
They are both quality, an de I hope to see Bernard really push on from
What he showed last season.
But it is not a question of one or the other, it is a question of one and the other. Siggy for 70 then in comes Bernard or vice versa. Options, players knowing they have to battle to keep their positions.
Do city fans sit there worrying if it is Sane or Sterling, or Aguero or Jesus.
355 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:50:22
But, if you insist they are the same, then check out Sigurdsson's starts from his Spurs days, when was played out wide. Or, indeed, when he played wide for us. I think you will notice a difference.
But who am I to question anything you say? Sigh!!!
356 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:50:58
357 Posted 05/08/2019 at 17:59:41
He has the talent but fluffs his lines in front of goal and his passes... l don't know if he doesnt concentrate or is just sloppy but a few hospital balls off him at times. Good we have number of players with a lot of improvement in them.
358 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:02:53
359 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:04:39
360 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:12:33
361 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:28:37
362 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:32:12
Betting to finish in top 4:-
West ham 40/1
As you can see they are just favouring us to finish in front of Wolves in 7th. I think we look good to finish above them because of their Europa commitments but you would have to be super optimistic to think we can achieve a top 4 spot.
363 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:34:13
364 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:37:56
365 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:42:34
366 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:44:35
Id also put Arsenal above Chelsea currently.
Again we have quite a few new players. Dont think were top 4 ready next but this squad/team is in much better shape than it was 2 years ago.
367 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:45:30
368 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:49:11
369 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:52:29
370 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:55:54
371 Posted 05/08/2019 at 18:59:16
372 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:00:31
373 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:03:10
Only a handful go to Russia at that age and come back better for it. It feels like a billet dodged.
374 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:05:11
375 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:15:09
Having said that, with the introduction of Keane into the mix, I think it is his position that is most under threat because of this potential front three
Richarlison (left), DCL, Keane (right)
That is my head over ruling my heart.
I might get a hammering for this but I also think Keans signing could rejuvenate Walcotts situation.
If DCL is not firing then Kean can take the central spot and the front three then becomes:
Richarlison, Kean, Walcott.
I think Bernard will have to compete with Sigurdsson for the spot behind a front three.
376 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:16:38
Sam 366, you follow the game more than I, so I will not disagree.
377 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:27:37
378 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:30:26
379 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:32:19
380 Posted 05/08/2019 at 19:33:37
381 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:03:02
382 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:05:13
383 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:11:36
384 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:11:51
385 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:36:01
386 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:51:54
That short Twitter video is a very telling insight into how Brands operates and how deeply researched he is on all aspects of the player.
The hug Kean's mother gives Brand after being gifted the shirt is heartfelt, plus Brands' words to her: "We will take good care of your son and we hope to see you often..."
This is a master of his art at work.
387 Posted 05/08/2019 at 20:54:22
388 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:17:27
389 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:18:14
390 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:25:43
391 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:28:49
"We will take care of your son."
392 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:38:23
Did anything ever come from that visit or were they just all there for one of Berlusconis bunga bunga parties?
393 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:50:12
Randomly going back to the number conundrum; there's a pattern and link to the number 9. I notice someone used the 2 + 7 = 9 theory earlier.
Well, apparently in his last 3 seasons it goes like this:
2017-18: Number 9 with Hellas Verona (yes his Juventus number that year was 34, but stick with me)
2018-19: Number 18 with Juventus
2019-20: Number 27 with Everton
All multiples of 9. So either next season he'll be 36 or the next club he plays for he'll be 36!! Either way, he's a number 9 (or multiples of!!).
I'll get my coat and order a taxi. Good night
394 Posted 05/08/2019 at 21:55:20
Didn't Yakubu turn out to be 36 during his second season?
395 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:07:28
From #226 JC and onwards About Bernard playing centrally, first I imagined it would be like putting Pienaar there behind the striker.. but Bernard is a bit more pacey? Whereas Pienaar would draw freekicks, Bernard would dribble past the opponent more often than not, and then it'll depend on his passing skills from there on..
None the less, it's exciting times of how when they play, Delph, Gbamin, Kean and eventually other new signings, how it will pan out, it could be a somewhat recognizable, but way different kind of game we're about to see this season (would be awesome just if the CB slot is sorted out - if not, maybe Gbamin is up for it?).
396 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:11:59
397 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:12:17
399 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:44:21
400 Posted 05/08/2019 at 22:52:45
401 Posted 05/08/2019 at 23:40:46
Utd have released a ton of players for no fee
402 Posted 06/08/2019 at 10:23:57
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum is our motto and must be rediscovered and acted upon.Those who don't, have to be held to account.
And let's kick out that "We're not 'poolies" rubbish as well, an excuse for putting up with any garbage without a bit of dissent while the club crumbles.
406 Posted 06/08/2019 at 13:51:53
407 Posted 06/08/2019 at 18:43:39
Add Your Comments
In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.
Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site.