Sheffield Wednesday vs Everton

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Marco Silva will have little margin for error in a game that has taken on huge significance following Saturday's defeat to Sheffield United

Everton travel to Hillsborough for a Carabao Cup third round tie that has taken on huge significance for manager Marco Silva following Saturday's shock home defeat to Sheffield United.

The Blues make the trip to Sheffield Wednesday for what will be the first time they have faced the “steel city” clubs in successive games for 51 years and the Portuguese will be looking for a positive reaction from his players, lest another early cup exit heighten the scrutiny of his tenure.

Everton are reeling from a run of three defeats in four games in the Premier League but have an opportunity to steady the ship and bolster morale if they can navigate their way into the last 16 of the League Cup.

Having made somewhat heavy work of despatching League One Lincoln City in the last round, the Blues take on Championship opposition this time around. Wednesday, who beat Rotherham away in the second round, come into the tie sitting in ninth place in their division with four wins from their first eight league games.

It will mark the third match in charge for new boss Garry Monk, the former Swansea City and Birmingham boss who replaced Steve Bruce as manager of the South Yorkshire side earlier this month.

Monk predictably painted Everton, as the top-flight outfit as the favourites to win the tie, describing it as a “free hit” for his players against more fancied opposition. Silva, meanwhile, has called on his charges to be more aggressive and to show 100% commitment after losing meekly to Bournemouth and Sheffield United in the past 10 days.

All eyes will be on the Portuguese's team selection as he seeks a route out of his team's current malaise. He made a handful of changes for the trip to Lincoln and may feel moved to again, with the likes of Tom Davies, Djibril Sidibé, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Mason Holgate and Alex Iwobi itching to make starts.

Iwobi, in particular, is expected to be in the XI after being named on the bench on Saturday while Sidibé was handed his debut in the previous round and could make only his second appearance since arriving on loan tomorrow evening. Whether Iwobi comes in in place of Bernard or the under-performing Gylfi Sigurdsson remains to be seen but the Iceland international was able to use the match in the last round to find some form, albeit temporarily.

As far as Davies is concerned, there has been a clamour for the young midfielder to be given a chance to impress in a part of the pitch that has become a concern this season and where André Gomes is expected to be missing again because of a rib injury. Davies has made just one fleeting appearance as a substitute so far and surprisingly absent from the matchday squad in the last round. With Silva searching for solutions in central midfield, the England U21 man could get his chance at Hillsborough.

Up front, the manager has a decision to make over whether to persist with Moise Kean, a player unfairly scapegoated in some quarters for Everton's lack of goal threat on Saturday, to recall Calvert-Lewin or go with another option altogether like moving Richarlison back up top, a tactic that was used with mixed results last season but which could be effective against lower-division opposition.

Regardless of which team he puts out, Silva knows that his side should be good enough to beat a Championship side, even away from home and he will be afforded little slack if his team aren't able to get the job done. With Champions, Manchester City, coming to Goodison Park on Saturday and a tricky visit to Turf Moor looming the following weekend, Everton need to shore things up at the back, find their mojo going forward and start grinding out results again.

Kick-off: 7:45pm, Tuesday, 24 September, 2019
Referee: Jeremy Simpson
Last Time: Sheffield Wednesday 0 - 3 Everton (September 2007)

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Sidibé, Keane, Mina, Digne, Delph, Davies, Sigurdsson, Iwobi, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin

Note: There is no televised coverage of this game in any broadcast market

 

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Frank McGregor
1 Posted 23/09/2019 at 21:43:39
I would really like to see Holgate given his chance in the team in place of Mina.
If a success keep him in the team for a spell and who knows he may retain his place.
Jay Harris
2 Posted 23/09/2019 at 22:07:25
Frank,

Holgate is a right-sided player and would replace Keane, not Mina.

Derek Knox
3 Posted 23/09/2019 at 22:24:06
It will be interesting to see just how many changes Silva does make. Sheffield Wednesday are mid-table in the Championship and only drew against Fulham at the week-end, but then again a Cup Tie is a one-off affair.

It's a pity that we won't be able to watch it, unless there are a few streams, so it will be difficult to assess what is happening, Live Forum should be a source of info from someone possibly at the match.

I wouldn't even hazard a guess at team selection, as recent showings have seen nearly all below par. No excuse, either, Marco. I believe your favourite post match song is:

Don't blame it on the sunshine
Don't blame it on the moonlight
Don't blame it on the good times
Blame it on the boogie!

Bill Gienapp
4 Posted 23/09/2019 at 22:48:59
Obviously Silva will want to play his strongest side. The problem is, I don't think anyone really knows what that is at this point.

I'd be shocked if Sidibé doesn't start. Silva's already been talking him up, saying how he's been pushing Coleman hard in training.

Normally this would be a decent opportunity for Baines, but he hasn't played a minute all season and I think Digne's basically indispensable in a must-win game.

Ideally you wouldn't want to overtax Delph, given his injury history, but there's no way we can function without him right now.

I wonder if Silva didn't start Iwobi on Saturday because he was prioritizing him for this match.

Calvert-Lewin actually has a pretty good goalscoring record in this competition, so it would make sense to give him the nod.

John Raftery
5 Posted 23/09/2019 at 23:13:02
Whoever he picks tomorrow, it can hardly be said Silva is fielding a weakened team. Few if any of the players who played on Saturday made any sort of case for retaining their place. None could really argue if they were dropped. The midfield requires a transformation which can be only achieved through a change of personnel. His only options in that regard are Davies in place of either Schneiderlin or Delph and Iwobi in place of Sigurdsson.
Brian Wilkinson
6 Posted 23/09/2019 at 23:20:53
Good shout for the starting 11, Lyndon, I think he will put Lössl in goal; other than that, I pretty much agree with your line up.
John Raftery
7 Posted 23/09/2019 at 23:21:14
Our players will need to be ready for a physical battle tomorrow evening. Sheffield Wednesday have committed a total of 51 fouls in their last three matches.
Annika Herbert
8 Posted 24/09/2019 at 04:01:00
I would prefer to see Holgate for Keane and Bernard replace Sigurdsson, as the only changes to Lyndon's team.
Rob Williamson
9 Posted 24/09/2019 at 05:16:01
Just out of interest, having lived in Sheffield for almost 40 years I was hoping to go to the game tonight.Not being able to get tickets for the 'Everton' end, I applied for tickets on the Wednesday website for myself and my son and duly got the e-tickets printed out. Yesterday however, I got a phone-call from the Wednesday ticket office saying that they had heard that a number of Everton fans had got tickets in this way and, after cross-checking with the Everton data-base (which of course I am on) they are not allowing me the tickets and were refunding the money.
I am sure they will quote 'health and safety/security issues as the reason for their decision but it's a real bummer. I don't get to see the Blues that often and have seen every game Everton have played in Sheffield since moving here in1981. I have never had this happen before. Has anyone else suffered the same experience?

Darren Hind
10 Posted 24/09/2019 at 06:42:40
I'm not normally one for experimenting. but this central defensive partnership cannot get through a game without being breached 3-4 times. Pickford has saved them on many occasions and we are still conceding at an alarming rate

Silva doesnt trust Holgate at center back (oh the fucking irony). He seems happier to let the lighthouses continue to be exposed.

Drop Schneiderlin and play Holgate in front of them for fucks sake.

John Keating
11 Posted 24/09/2019 at 06:43:13
Pcart of me wants to see Silva make wholesale changes to show all. The players their places are not guaranteed. Lossl in, Holgate splitting up Mina/Keane, Baines in, Sidibe in, Sigi dropped for Bernard, the French fake out for Davies, Iwobi starting, Delph starting, DCL and Kean up front.

Part of me wants to see the same team as Saturday start to make amends for the crap exhibition the cowards put in

However I think Silva will just tweak things as per Lyndons team

Regardless I would expect the manager to actually instilling some sort of motivation and accept he is the biggest part of our problem the past 12 months

Jerome Shields
12 Posted 24/09/2019 at 06:52:09
All depends on the attitude of the Everton side on the field, against Weds. Certainly the pressure is on.
John Hall
13 Posted 24/09/2019 at 07:15:22
Рut Unsy in charge and рlay the kids -what have we got to lose?
Anthony Flack
14 Posted 24/09/2019 at 07:28:02
Rob @ 9

That sounds odd - a chap at Luton once refused to sell me a ticket over the phone because of my accent.

I would write to Everton and ask what database Sheffield Wednesday are referring to, and specifically where you have provided explicit consent for your data to be shared - also send a copy to Sheffield, and mention your concern and plans to engage the information commissioner if you are not satisfied with their response

Or if we loose 3 0 send them a thank you card

Kunal Desai
16 Posted 24/09/2019 at 08:03:02
Eighth game in and this is already a defining game in determining the tenure of Silva. Lose tonight and the pressure will be cranked up a notch even more.

Drop Sigurdsson. He is not offering anything and perhaps start with Iwobi, Davies and Delph in a central midfield of three. Bernard and Richarlison out wide with Kean upfront.

Jerome Shields
17 Posted 24/09/2019 at 08:16:05
Anthony #14

The data may be a Sheffield Weds data base. Rob said he attended previous matches, probably as a away supporters, so that is possibly the database they are using, which would show up previous attendances and the away team that was supported.

Obviously there has been a bit kick up about tickets and someone has latched onto away supporters , buying home tickets, so much so that it is in the media.

Rob has got caught up in the crossfire unfortunately. Hope the pentrators regret getting Robs ticket.

I suppose Rob can win both ways now and have not spent a cent.

Gary Willock
19 Posted 24/09/2019 at 08:54:41
What i’d like to see (assuming no Gomes)

Pickford
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Davies Delph Bernard
Kean DCL Richie (rotating)

What we’re likely to see:

4231, Schneiderlin and Delph, Siggy sideways passing, best goal scorer player in wrong place, a 2-0 lead to SW within first hour against the run of play, at least 1 of which from set piece, frantic 3-1-6 formation to get back in it, penalties, hopefully through

Trevor Peers
20 Posted 24/09/2019 at 09:05:04
I meant to post this here.

If we could score a few goals it would mask a lot of our problems both defensively and in mid field, last season Sigurdsson and Richarlison's form helped us climb up the table. Where are the goals going to come from this season in the present squad ? Both players are in poor form at the moment and no one else has got a clue where the goal is.
We might get lucky tonight against a lower league team, if we don't we will surely get knocked out. Our two goalscorer's are the only ones who can bail Silva out. He should of insisted on getting a goalscorer in the summer but we never showed any interest in anyone apart from a 19 year old rookie, unforgivable IMO.

Eddie Dunn
21 Posted 24/09/2019 at 09:24:17
Rob @9. That is outrageous, as it is quite possible that you could be a neutral supporter who has been to other grounds, but also, even if you appear to them to be an Everton supporter, as long as you have no football-related criminal convictions then I don't see that as any of their business.
If I was you, I would have a walk around the ground before the game and ask any Evertonians if they have "any spares". Failing that I would ask home fans. I have sat in with Spurs fans at Goodison in the Bullens. It's better than missing the game.
Danny Baily
22 Posted 24/09/2019 at 09:36:13
Huge game. Like it or not, this competition is to us what the champions league is to the likes of Spurs. Let's treat it that way.

Birmingham City, Aston Villa, Middlesbrough, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Swansea City, Leicester City, Wigan Athletic. All have won major trophies since we last did.

Jakub Kollar
23 Posted 24/09/2019 at 09:52:15
Is this seriously not going to be on TV? Are we going to listen to radio broadcast or what?
Jim Bennings
24 Posted 24/09/2019 at 10:18:27
This is a must win match.

Confidence can not be allowed to fall any further than it has in recent weeks, with no European Football it’s imperative that we sustain interest in this competition until the later rounds and have a right crack at winning it.

Change the team, play two strikers, play Iwobi in the middle, put Sigurdsson deeper sitting next to Delph, just try something different to find a blend and balance.

Derek Thomas
25 Posted 24/09/2019 at 10:40:02
What would be worse, a win to paper over the cracks or a defeat to expose more...oh yeah I know - a draw to give them another chance to stuff it up.

In reality we'll take any baby step of an improvement that comes our way and hope to god City don't go all Watford on us.

Clive Rogers
26 Posted 24/09/2019 at 10:41:00
Danny, that list of clubs with trophies is a terrible indictment of Kenwright’s reign and should be widely broadcast.
Cristobal Aguirre
27 Posted 24/09/2019 at 10:57:24
Trying to be optimistic I think we can score a goal during the match, probably an own goal but a goal at the end of the day.

The result should be a defeat something around 3-1 or 4-1. I would sign a 1-0 defeat all the time, as I suspect that this team leading by the stupid one can loose against Sheffield by a big margin.

Having said that, I think loosing here could be possitive for our future, because Silva cannot be our manager so loosing, his ending will come sooner rather than later.

Rob Halligan
28 Posted 24/09/2019 at 11:04:33
Cristobal, what a pathetic post. So you would rather take a defeat which might, MIGHT, lead to the manager losing his job. You're not even considering the 4500 fans who are making the journey to Sheffield later on. This is a trophy which, it Silva puts his mind to it, we have a chance of doing well in.

Absolutely pathetic post.

Sam Hoare
29 Posted 24/09/2019 at 11:39:42
Oh dear, lets not get to the 'let's lose so he gets fired' stage yet!! We're not even ten matches into the season and in theory could still win all 3 trophies!

I just hope Silva shows us that he's willing to experiment a bit more and maybe try a 433 or even a 4222 and break away from 4231 that seems to be restricting our creativity lately.

David Donnellan
30 Posted 24/09/2019 at 11:42:02
I wonder if this will be streamed anywhere? It is usually impossible to find a stream for the games in the early rounds of the league cup. But I will keep my fingers crossed.
James Hughes
31 Posted 24/09/2019 at 11:43:04
Danny, I get the point you're making but a lot of those clubs have since bombed out the league.

Rob H, well said mate I never understand fans saying they hope we lose, No matter whatever the justification

Dave Williams
32 Posted 24/09/2019 at 11:46:55
I don’t even think it’s a case of who he picks but more one of how does he send them out. Stop the square passing and back passing. Go for their throats from the whistle, attack them by moving forward with pace and let’s have some movement off the ball to find or create space.
That said I’d change it from Saturday because that team is way too ponderous. Sidibe in at RB, Holgate alongside Mina, Tom,Fab and Alex in midfield with DCL,Moise and Richi up front. Can’t decide between Bernard and Moise and I’d be tempted to play Lössl but that midfield three is crucial as it gives energy, determination and movement none of which we will have if Siggy and Morgan play.
We are far better than them' we have a very good squad of players and we cannot contemplate a defeat especially with City on Saturday. We have to get some confidence back tonight and find a blend which can give City problems- playing Coleman,Keane,Siggy and Morgan again William get us nowhère and set us up for trouble on Saturday. Silva has to motivate this team or he will inevitably lose his job by Christmas.
Derek Knox
33 Posted 24/09/2019 at 11:50:55
Cristobal @27, a bit naughty there mate, I have no desire particularly to champion the cause for Silva being our long term Manager, but I would never wish defeat on us, especially in this Cup which has evaded us under it's many different names for so long.

I understand your feelings though, but please never WISH defeat on us, if he continues to be incompetent as a Manager he will soon be found out on his own merits.

Chris Hockenhull
34 Posted 24/09/2019 at 11:56:09
27 Disgraceful post. Stay away from Everton if thats your outlook. Your not needed.
Rob Williamson
35 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:04:56
Re my first message at #9, the matter is now sorted and we will be going to the game. Yippee!
Thanks for the comments Anthony #14, Jerome #17 and Eddie #21, I just hope that it's worth it!
Rob Marsh
36 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:08:23
Dave # 32

Dave, there will be a fair few blues thinking along the same lines as Cristobal but not saying it (loyal season ticket holding blues).

They are all thinking long term, I myself in the cold light of day think it's time for a change and sadly if tonights result was part of the reason, then that's just the way it is. Though, I would rather still be in that cup after tonight for a new manager to take us further on.

There's a lot of abjectly pissed off fans in this club who have given a life times love and support, not to mention the money given to the club (especially in the modern era), some steam might be blown off once in a while, but at the end of the day we're all marching in the same direction.

Cristobal Aguirre
37 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:09:55
I fully understand yours post and I am not expecting you share my opinion, but what I say is because I truly think that my beloved team is in danger of relegation with this manager. None of you know how I feel when we loose let alone when we loose playing without soul and passion like we have been playing with the last 3 managers. I really think that we need a manager change the sooner the Better. Of course I had made a bitter post but that is because I am tired of watching a super rich player with super rich installments and a super rich manager that seems not to be particulary worry about our situation. I am not a result fanatic I really not interested in winning or loosing match the only think I ask to our players is playing with passion leave everything on the pitch, but apart from 3 or 4 players nobody do that.
John Hammond
38 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:14:27
It's time Sigurdsson spent some time on the bench and Iwobi moved to #10 (as he does for Nigeria) or Silva changes to 433 with iwobi one of the midfield 3. It's common knowledge that he prefers playing a deeper, central role than out wide. More of an inside left position. At least in a 433 it allows our front 3 to push further forward and we have an extra man in midfield. We need to build this team around Iwobi and Kean in my opinion.

Whatever happens I'm pretty confident we can win this. We're creating chances, we're getting the ball into the box - we're just having a hard time hitting the target for whatever reason. I can see this playing out similar to the Lincoln game.

Raymond Fox
39 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:15:17
Its a banana skin of a game that in our current form anything can happen.
Will he or wont he pick our strongest side, if indeed we have one.
I think he will go with what he thinks is his best team, because he must know that he needs a good result badly.
Because of that I fancy us to win, you would imagine that the players also know we need a win to take some pressure off the situation.

Off topic in the league a neutral view of our prospects is :-
We are 8/11 to finish in the top 10- looks a decent bet to me.
We are 10/11 to finish in the bottom 10.
We are expected to finish 9th according to the odds.
We are 5/1 for a top 6 finish.
We are 25/1 for a top 4 finish and 14/1 to be relegated.


Anthony Flack
40 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:15:45
Any idea on the weather in Yorkshire

I was in Milton Keynes this morning and getting to work in a canoe would have been safer.

Just worried about chance of postponement before heading up M1

Anthony

Neil Wood
41 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:20:31
Does anyone please have a spare ticket... been let down this morning and only live in Huddersfield so desperate to go

07879551102

Anthony.... weather been shit but it’s ok now just a light drizzle so should t be any issues.

Lenny Kingman
42 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:27:55
Of course the venue for tonight's League cup tie is a historical reference point in our rather modest attempts to win this event in the 70 years of the once down played League Cup. Big Roger will no doubt have flashbacks to 1977 tonight after that nightmare own goal in the Final first replay. Which was, along with the Final against the RS in 1984, the closest the Blues have been to winning the competition.

As far as Everton 's long suffering fans are concerned I believe I am correct in saying that to keep on track to finally win this trophy will be high priority in 2019. Whether they can hold the line tonight or further down the Wembley trail is another matter altogether.

Michael Long
44 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:30:43
Lose tonight then that's me done with Silva. Would love nothing more than him to prove me wrong, but can't see it. Massive game for him, the players and the whole club tonight. If we cannot go to a mid table championship side and progress into the next round then all those who still have faith in him will lose that very rapidly.

The players need a rocket up their arses, and find a backbone. Because the mentality at the club has gone from "Nil Satis Nisi Optimum" to "accepting mediocrity" Lets just take a cup competition seriously for once.

Team I'd play tonight
Pickford

Sidibe
Holgate
Keane
Digne

Richarlison
Delph
Davies
Iwobi

Kean
DCL

or go with a 4-3-3.

If we're gonna play both Delph and Schneiderlin against a championship side then we deserve what is coming as does Silva.

For once can we just roll our sleeves up, stop being cowards and actually move onwards and upwards.

Dave Williams
46 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:32:43
Rob #36 I didn’t say a word about Christobals post?
I can understand where he is coming from and whilst I would never want us to lose the only( very tiny) consolation would be that it would accelerate the process in getting rid of Silva who, if he cannot motivate us to win tonight will never make it at our club.
Personally I hope we win, then beat City and Silva develops to become the greatest manager we have ever seen.
I can’t see it but after 57 years of following us I continue to be one of life’s optimists- we will come again!!
Rob Marsh
47 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:39:45
Raymond # 39

I think we have to give some credit to the championship in general, it is a drop below the prem, but not a massive one and it's very competitive, Lincoln was a banana skin, Sheff Wed are lethal sheets of black ice.

In our current predicament that they are aware of we have treat this like a derby, because they will.

Rob Halligan
48 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:44:21
Lenny, # 42. I agree, any trophy should be a high priority for all clubs until, obviously, they are knocked out. After all, In my opinion, the objective of every club at the start of the season is to win something.

Of course, owners and chairmen see it as a different objective. For about 90-95% of owners and chairmen, their objective is solely to remain in the premier league. I would like to think we are in the 5-10% who actually want to win something. As the league cup is something we've never won, then it should be top of our priorities, especially as we've won sweet FA since 1995.

Brian Harrison
49 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:54:55
This team and this manager desperately need a result tonight, and failure tonight with City on Saturday could see the end of Silva. But we are still left with the same prospect of our owner appointing anew manager, and lets face it he hasnt proved to be great at doing that. Who could we attract well certainly none of the top managers, so it will probably be between Dyce and Howe and I don't rate either of those. I read an article by Xavi saying his dream job is to manage Barca but would consider a move to the P/L, but put a caviate in that he would only join one of the top sides. So I hope Silva does turn things around as the possible alternatives don't excite me. My wish even before we gave Martinez the job was Simeone but I have got more chance of winning the lottery than securing a top manager.

Mind in 18 months time I could well see a Mr Rooney being the Everton manager.

Rob Marsh
50 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:56:17
Dave Williams # 46

My apologies mate, I meant to send that one to Rob Halligan@28.

Big yes to Silva turning things around, but I just can't see it and believe we cannot afford to waist another season. Let's hope he does it!

Having said that, he'll be here atleast until Christmas, there's no one to replace him.

Mat Smith
51 Posted 24/09/2019 at 12:59:58
i'd rather he go with something new/maybe a bit crazy;

433

Pickford
Sidibe – Holgate – Keane – Digne
Coleman – Davies - Baines
Richarlison – Kean - Iwobi

Coleman and Baines may be defenders but they can both pass and like attacking - can't be any worse then we saw on Saturday

Colin Metcalfe
52 Posted 24/09/2019 at 13:05:22
I went on Saturday with my wife and stepdaughter it was their first visit to Goodison and we all know what we witnessed, another display like that and our early exit in this competition will continue.

I have never given my opinion on Silva as I did not know much about him apart from his stints at Hull and Watford but I have to say I was expecting so much more, our play is slow, ponderous and so very predictable.

My feeling is that after that pathetic show on Saturday the players will want to put things right and we will squeeze through however I can’t see us going far beyond tonight, I am not convinced about Silva and I am certainly not convinced about our recruitment policy... in Brands I don’t trust !!

Derek Knox
53 Posted 24/09/2019 at 13:10:28
Rob Marsh @36, good honest post there Rob, yes there are an awful lot of us totally pissed off, not just after the last few results, but the trend that the Club has taken since, what should have been heralded as the start of something big, when at long last we had a rich owner.

Yes, I am glad in many ways that Moshiri came on board/Board, but when you consider his generosity and the money that has been proliferated both on players and managerial compensations, it could almost make you cry.

As I have said on many occasions, so sorry for repeating myself, it is patently obvious that Moshiri IS NOT a footballing man, so who the hell is ill-advising him both in appointing bad choices in Manager and paying ridiculously over the top in many cases for players?

I do hope for a win tonight as always, and just hope for not only more commitment from whoever is picked. but a discernable game plan. It looks increasingly unlikely that it will be televised by any of the usual Media sources, so hope upon hope that there will be a stream or two (however poor) we can latch on to.

Chris Gould
54 Posted 24/09/2019 at 13:22:22
In fairness to Cristobal #27, I don't believe he was saying that he 'wanted' us to lose. English is clearly his second language, and I believe that he meant that we are 'likely' to lose 3-1 or 4-1, so would accept a 1-0 loss as he doesn't expect us to do any better under Silva. He fears we could lose by big margin.
He then tries to see the positive of a loss, which he suggests may accelerate Silva's departure.

The confusion comes from him saying:
"the result should be a defeat..." I think he means that he 'believes' that we will be defeated, not 'wants' us to be defeated.


Brian Murray
55 Posted 24/09/2019 at 13:31:39
Chris Gould. post 54. What we seen from Silva with his inability to play with a balance and a formula that most of the Premier League managers find quickly. Maybe a defeat could be for the greater good although I have brothers going there so I hope we are still in the hat tomorrow and then he can hand over the chalice to someone who doesn't look like his belt and shoelaces should be taken away from him immediately!
Tony Hill
56 Posted 24/09/2019 at 13:40:12
Reports from "sources" (HITC citing the Telegraph) that Silva has two main deficiencies: stewing too long after defeats and failing to inspire the players on the pitch or in the dressing room.

Sounds to me like disgruntled lazy-arsed players whispering. It would also explain our shit form: some of them aren't playing for him - again. I'm glad that the manager dwells on defeats and our players should motivate themselves in any event.

This might all be nonsense from the press but stealthy player power seems to me to have become a bit of a theme at our place down the years. It needs facing down.

Jakub Kollar
57 Posted 24/09/2019 at 13:53:10
Mat #51,

In case we lost with a line-up like that, it would be a managerial suicide for Silva.

Steve Croston
58 Posted 24/09/2019 at 13:55:33
So we're all obviously a little nervous about the game tonight, which is an indicator of how far we have fallen.
I think we need to go for a 'dogs of war' approach, and have only fighters and scrappers in the team against Wednesday this evening and City on Saturday.
No Schneiderlin, no Sigurdsson, no Mina and definitely no Walcott anywhere near the team. They are more mincers than scrappers.
I want to see blood and thunder tonight, a real reaction from the players. But I think we all know what's going to happen... 75% possession, 10 corners and they'll score from a deflected set piece. Then we'll see what they're made of.
Defeat tonight and Silva must walk, no ifs or buts.
I love my team but it hurts so much sometimes! COYB!!!
Sam Hoare
59 Posted 24/09/2019 at 13:59:17
Fancy a good switch up from the Sheffield Utd setup. How about:

Pickford
Sidibe Holgate Mina Digne
Davies Delph Iwobi
Richarlison Kean Gordon

Don't think it's likely but would love to see Anthony Gordon get a start. Having a new youth player always injects some buzz into a game. Also think that having a midfield 3 with a bit more energy and potential to ball carry would help get us a bit more direct; at the moment there always seems to the obligatory pass backwards or to the fullback.

Matthew Williams
60 Posted 24/09/2019 at 14:12:18
If we concede first or Adam Reach has a good night (or both) then sadly it's another early exit from a competition we NEED to win.

The rest of the year will become a washout for us Blues with only the sacking of Silva a high point of it.

Peter Cummings
61 Posted 24/09/2019 at 14:16:31
Rob (8) your post reminded me of 1966 when the only way to get a ticket then was on the black market, I was lucky to get a ten bob ticket for eight quid but only for the Sheffield Wed end of Wembley which turned out to be a stroke of luck as all five goals went in at that end with Derek Temples winner, Still the greatest memory of my my 75 yrs as an EVERTONIAN,
Christy Ring
62 Posted 24/09/2019 at 14:17:25
A statistic from Saturday's game, Coleman had the 3rd most crosses, replaced by Walcott in the 54th minute, who only managed one cross.
He has to play Delph with Davies as an attacking midfielder tonight, and DCL/ Kean together upfront. If he starts with two holding midfielders again, I give up.
Derek@53 I reckon Kenwright still advising Moshiri.
Graham Lloyd
63 Posted 24/09/2019 at 14:26:50
I'm sure this won't be the case but I'd send the same starting 11 from Saturday out with clear instructions to them to demonstrate they are capable of beating a Div 1 team. If they can't, then why would/should any of them even be considered for the City game.

Also, I still don't think changing manager will move the club forward any quicker than the chance things will improve by sticking with him. Not saying Marco is going be the man to deliver but in my mind (for what it's worth), the odds of improvement are better stacked giving him more time than just changing manager again.

Derek Knox
64 Posted 24/09/2019 at 14:36:08
Christy, thanks, I suspected as much, but surely as an astute businessman, well he must be, otherwise he wouldn't have amassed a fortune from being a Simple Simon (sorry to all Simons on TW, I was referring to the halfwit who met a pie-man. (Wiganer) going to the fair)

He must surely question the wisdom (or obvious lack of it) in retrospect when doing some arithmetic, plus in the long term it does in some ways it makes him (Moshiri) look like a fool or a Simple Simon. (sorry again guys)

If that was me, I know it's difficult to put yourself in someone else's shoes, but I'd be fuming.

Mike Keating
65 Posted 24/09/2019 at 14:38:23
Cristobal#27 and others - the trouble with getting rid of Silva is that this leaves Moshiri and Kenwright to prove yet again that they haven’t got a clue when it comes to managerial appointments.
I sometimes think we couldn’t have done any worse had we stuck with Martinez!
And who would we turn to as a saviour in mid season?
Allardyce?
Cristobal Aguirre
66 Posted 24/09/2019 at 14:39:27
Chris Gould 54,

Thank you for your comments. That is exactly what I was trying to say.

Cristobal Aguirre
67 Posted 24/09/2019 at 14:44:54
Mike Keating 65,

I agree with you, but I think we should try again with Moyes, at least till the end of the season.

Then, depending of the results and style of play, We should go for a quality manager like Bielsa, ten Hag or even Wegner.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

68 Posted 24/09/2019 at 14:57:08
As Chris Gould points out, Cristobal's original post can be read in different ways.

Nevertheless, personally, in no circumstance, would I ever wish for or expect a defeat in any game for Everton. And that includes even if a victory hands t'other lot a trophy. I always want Everton to win. ALWAYS.

Tonight's game, it goes without saying, now has huge importance because of how the season has played out thus far.

I wasn't alone in the summer in hoping that a high priority of our recruitment of new players would be that they were 'winners' with a bit of nark about them who absolutely hate losing.

On evidence to date, that has not been the case. Not even Delph who you would think best fits that profile has shown anything near the levels of narkiness required. Calling your own players out as 'fecking shite' one minute then conceding an own goal the next doesn't count.

Nor does Silva, it appears, have the ability to instil sheer cussedness into the team as evidenced by the disturbing (and growing) number of games Everton has failed to win a game from a losing position on his watch.

The bewildering thing is this team, both in the final third of last season and even in spells this season, has shown it can play as many Blues want to see us play: pressing high and fiercely; moving the ball forward quickly; good interchange and movement in the forward line that bewilders the opposition.

But it's all too sporadic. It may last for 15-20 minutes then fizzles out. It totally evaporates when we concede. We had some great powerplay moments v both Watford and Wolves. For the opening 20 minutes against Villa, we played as if we only had to breathe to win it. We had good starts to both halves away to Bournemouth. We started well against the Blades.

This to me is more a mental thing than a physical or tactical thing (although tactically, there are things that Silva could do differently).

Sam Allardyce was not the first Everton manager to question this aspect of Everton's players and spoke of getting in a sports psychologist. Quite frankly, given the advances of modern day football, I was surprised to learn with that statement that Everton didn't already have one on the payroll. Even now, I don't know if we have. But I suggest we could definitely benefit from one.

It looks unlikely that there will be a match stream for this one tonight, so it looks like a case of following radio and text commentary where possible.

We fans, the club, the players and most definitely the manager need a win tonight and to advance in this competition.

Anything less and the noose begins to tighten around Silva's neck.

Cristobal Aguirre
69 Posted 24/09/2019 at 15:08:27
I am always want Everton to win, is too obvious for any fan. The problem is that, at the same time, I am always expecting a defeat because of Silva and the 90% of our players under him.

Trying to be fair, the only match we deserved to win during the season was Palace away. Against Watford and Wolves we were extremely lucky. The 3 defeats were very well deserved. Villa, Bournemouth and Sheffield those 3 team together worth less than Everton. So that mean simply that our manager is a fraud and show our players lack of commitment.

Tony Williams
70 Posted 24/09/2019 at 15:32:49
If we have a convincing win, I hope it doesn't paper over the cracks, or should I say chasms.
Jamie Crowley
71 Posted 24/09/2019 at 15:47:53
The game isn't even on ESPN+ over here. Very odd. ESPN+ will televise Sisters of the Poor FC games for crying out loud.

Oh well. Looks like a radio game.

I can't even contemplate losing this game. Especially after Silva has called for a response to the shite on the weekend. Possibly ugly times ahead. Again.

Fingers crossed.

Liam Reilly
72 Posted 24/09/2019 at 15:50:59
If we weren't picked for the 2nd round to be on telly; we'd surely have been picked for this round on Sky.

Expect Ariel bombardment from Wednesday to test the center backs from the off.

Eddie Dunn
73 Posted 24/09/2019 at 15:52:50
The team went out and got a flattering result in the last round at Lincoln. Iwobi and Richarlison looked great and Kean also hit the bar. Unfortunately the side now find themselves in the same position, having to restore some belief against a potential banana skin.
If we can take a victory home with us then the Manager will be able to lead a side with a little confidence restored when taking the daunting trip to Manchester.
Silva will be excused a defeat there, even a heavy one. City are lightyears ahead of us and if we put on a decent show, even losing narrowly, then Marco will survive.
The spectre of a big defeat followed by a tricky tie at Turf Moor is his biggest worry. Burnley rolled over last season but will be a tough nut to crack this time.
We simply have to beat Wednesday tonight to give the fanbase some hope.
Defeat and two hard games to come could spell the end of the road for Silva with us in the relegation zone. This is the trigger that will make Moshiri act. PL money is the only reason for his involvement.
Clive Rogers
74 Posted 24/09/2019 at 15:59:33
We should play Davies in Siggy’s position. He’s not playing well and is 30 and we have to look to the future.
Clive Rogers
75 Posted 24/09/2019 at 16:02:12
Eddie, we are at home to City.
Derek Knox
76 Posted 24/09/2019 at 16:07:42
Jamie C, thanks for the confirmation, ESPN+ which I can usually get on IPTV, was the last one I was pinning any slim chance of seeing it on.

Like you say it is surprising, with it being another potential well greased banana skin on an oily patch, you would have thought they would relish that. There are 8 Carabou Cup games tonight of which Portsmouth (ugh) is the only one on TV.

Like you say the radio, I suppose is better than nothing, but there is always the Live Forum, and usually someone comes up with a decent link, if not, it's usually good banter as you are well aware of. Cheers JaC Dude!

Bill Gall
77 Posted 24/09/2019 at 16:09:11
Think we are the only ones who question Evertons ability to win games with a bit of flair added, how about the media outlets,no live stream showing and that makes me think that they believe that this game will be devoid of any entertainment.

I'm not sure of what other people think but I am fed up with the comments from some players, and the manager, of we have to do this and we have to do that. Talk is cheap, bloody well get out their, and show you are an ambitious premier team and show you are proud to wear the Everton shirt.

Jay Harris
78 Posted 24/09/2019 at 16:21:58
Derek,
There are 4 games on ESPN+ but unfortunately we are not one of them so I guess its live commentary on the official site.

I think our main problem has been scoring goals in the first 20 minutes after which we run out of ideas and motivation.

Hopefully against a championship side with other ideas on their mind we might bag a few tonight.

Thought it might be an opportunity to see what Gordon can do at this level and surely Tom Davies is due a run out.

Trevor Peers
79 Posted 24/09/2019 at 16:26:58
Clive @ 74
Not a chance of Davies replacing Sigurdsson, Davies isn't a goal scorer or a creative player, Davies could replace Schniederlin however.
It's got to the stage with Silva that no matter what permutations of players he plays, we still have the same weaknesses of not scoring goals and dodgy defending. Dropping one of the few players who might score a goal would be madness.
Annika Herbert
80 Posted 24/09/2019 at 17:11:21
Trevor@79, Sigurdsson hasn't scored so far this season and he certainly isn't creative!! But I agree he would be better served replacing Schneiderlin.
Tom Bowers
82 Posted 24/09/2019 at 17:18:29
Everton have proven goalscorers in the squad but much depends on the support group to create opportunities and ideally before the opposition get on the score sheet.
Then there is the shaky defensive part of Everton's psyche' which has really become fragile and I remember saying last season that even with Zouma and Gana I always thought that when the opposition gad the ball in midfield Everton looked vulnerable. With those two gone they look even more shaky and they haven't played any ''big'' teams yet.
The way things are at the moment you know Wednesday will be a tough game but we will see if Silva can weave some magic.
Eddie Dunn
83 Posted 24/09/2019 at 17:21:51
Clive, thanks! However with us at home the onus will be on us to attack my worries are not alleviated!
Christy Ring
84 Posted 24/09/2019 at 17:23:59
There's no drive or passion in the team, and no motivation from Silva. He dropped Iwobi, after the B'mouth embarrassment, was our problem out wide? He also dropped DCL, who scored, which was a boost to his confidence, and left him on the bench on Saturday, and brought on Tosun to play beside Kean, which was never going to work.
Trevor Peers
85 Posted 24/09/2019 at 17:27:21
Annika
Silva won't drop a guy who scored 12 goals last season especially in such a crucial game, like tonight's. Sigurdsson has scored this season at Lincoln.

We do lack creativity, but I don't see a player in the squad able to provide it regularly, up to now only Digne, Sigurdsson and Richarlison have provided assists this season.

Phil Smith
86 Posted 24/09/2019 at 17:35:25
No way should Sigurdsson (or Snides for that matter) even be in the match squad, let alone the starting 11! He hasn't gotten going this season so far and looks like he needs to sit out a game or 3. Replace him for Gordon. When was the last time he brought in one of the lids from the U23s? Clubs in Europe do it all the time.
Derek Knox
87 Posted 24/09/2019 at 17:39:11
Jay Harris @78, thanks for that mate, like Jamie C said before and a few others, with us misfiring, and this fixture looking like a possible well-greased banana skin on an oily patch of black-ice, one would have that it would have been a prime candidate for Televised ridicule. Obviously I hope the opposite is the case, so fingers and everything else crossed.

Trevor Peers @ 79, hope you don't mind my quoting you but "It's got to the stage with Silva that no matter what permutations of players he plays, we still have the same weaknesses of not scoring goals and dodgy defending." 4 words Nail, Bang, Head, On!

I have been reading various articles about some of our players being extolled by National Team Mates and Manager (Siggy for one), and Jonjoe Kenny (on loan Schalke) fast becoming a crowd favourite, while over here would not be played by Silva.

Who to me, is the common denominator in all of this, good players don't suddenly become rubbish, running round like headless ducks in a short space of time, so it has to be something else. Answer on a plain postcard please?

Clive Rogers
88 Posted 24/09/2019 at 17:59:53
Siggy seems to be on his last legs to me and has not scored in open play this season. He came as a dead ball specialist but has not scored from one since he came and Digne now seems first choice.
Mark Guglielmo
89 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:05:26
Man this is a complaining lot. While I fully agree that Silva's stubbornness and lack off tactical/strategy adjustments are PART of the blame, there are just as many on the pitch. These are professional footballers making 5-figures per week and you're telling me they need a manager to "inspire" them? Give me a break. Do you think Kloppe spends all his time getting his squad ready to play? He doesn't. Because they're professionals FFS. Or how about Brands and the front office? Why have 90% of our transfers come in the final week of the window? Thus ensuring it's November before the team has actually gelled etc. You all complain about the midfield and during the past window were wondering why we needed another midfielder (Doucoure). Well this is why.

We're playing midfield options 3 & 4. Cut Silva SOME slack as they're trying to clean up 5 years worth of crap while simultaneously building a competitive team for the long-term. People who complain about Kean should consider following a different sport entirely.

Finally, Gylfi shouldn't be starting at all. He scores on penalties or long-range shots which are a total crapshoot. Meanwhile what does he do that means he's an instant start? He's 30 and can be a sub. He's the reason were stuck with this garbage 4-2-3-1 because he can't play anywhere but as that deep lying 2nd striker. Take him out and the formation & strategy choices increase exponentially.

Jay Harris
90 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:12:23
Derek,
I agree with your assumption.

There is obviously some disharmony in the club and there is one person still there surrounded by his acolytes who is the common denominator in our mediocrity.

Four different managers have tried and failed so they are obviously being undermined by somebody although the choice of second rate managers who are mealymouthed does not help.

Trevor Peers
91 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:13:49
Clive who is going to score the goals then in your opinion this season ? Can't wait for your reply. Sigurdsson scored 12 last season remember.
Jay Harris
92 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:21:01
Mark and Clive,
If you take Siggy out you reduce our goalscoring threat significantly.

There performances are not down to one player and as the Iceland manager said (not the one on County Road) Siggy is being let down by his fellow MF players.

The MF setup is not right and has not been since Gana left and Gbamin got injured.

Unlike some other posters I believe Siggy could work in a 4-3-3 as long as it is balanced. Nobody covers more distance in a game and he is not the one to blame contrary to popular opinion.

Annika Herbert
93 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:24:34
Trevor@85, yes 12 last season but how many of those were penalties? I did forget the 1 he scored against Lincoln but he has hardly been the creative force we all hoped he would be. Which is exactly why someone else should be given a run in his position. To see if they can provide the creativity so badly lacking at the moment.
As I have mentioned on other threads, I would prefer to see Iwobi, or Bernard given a chance to play the number 10 role
Jonathan Tasker
94 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:27:02
Silva out
Annika Herbert
95 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:29:00
Mark@89, very well put!!
Clive Rogers
96 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:31:25
Trevor, that is the problem, but at the moment it doesn’t look like being Siggy. He is 30 and looks burnt out at the moment. We have signed too many defensive mids who don’t score goals and a striker who is not ready. None of these players are likely to get more than 2 or 3; Sneiderlin, Delph, Gbamin, Bernard, Gomes, Iwobi. We should have signed a MF who scores a few goals and a proven striker in addition to Kean. But we are not creating either so should play either Davies or Iwobi instead of Siggy. I am not saying either is the long term answer.
Annika Herbert
97 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:33:48
Jay@92, no argument that Sigurdsson covers lots of ground, but he is supposed to be the creative hub of the team and he is clearly failing in that aspect.
Nor do I believe he would thrive in a 433 line-up, his lack of pace would slow our play down, as I think he does now. I don't, personally, think you can blame other players for his lack of creativity.
Trevor Peers
98 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:37:03
Annika
We'll see if Silva agrees with you later on tonight. Either way I doubt Iwobi will get into double figures this season with goals or assits, Bernard is so small he would get battered in that central mid- field roll and he's already scored his one goal for the season.
Julian Exshaw
99 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:37:59
I hope we smash 'em tonight. Come on boys, do it for us, for Marco and for yourselves! We need this:
John Pierce
100 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:38:11
Again I’m desperate for the manager to show us he realizes the issues. I have no faith he’ll will change the formation and put players who think and play with pace and tempo.

I think Silva has looked at the missed transfers, the injuries and thought I wanna play 4-3-3 but cannot see how.

Well to evolve you have to play it and deal with the growing pains. Even put players with lesser ability but the right traits to increase the overall blend and balance of the team.

For example Holgate is not as good as Mina or Keane. However his positive traits pace and covering will get more out of the other centre backs as a combination.

Sigurdsson is a problem but not because he specifically is terrible but there’s no one who blends with him. The best I’ve seen him is with Iwobi and Kean. Interchanges on the floor down the left and middle.

These are combinations Silva needs to see and pick the traits not the overall best XI footballers at the club.

For me this is how it pans out.

Pickford
Digne
Holgate
Mina
Sidibe
Delph
Davies
Sigurdsson (Gomes if fit)
Iwobi
Kean
Richarlison

An energetic side, with high full back forcing the front three to play the width of the box, the outer players as inside forwards.
If that ball comes out you have Sigurdsson/Gomes deeper to control and put it back in with numbers in the box.
The crosses have to be on the floor or cut back.
Stop crossing in the air, Kean has no chance, on the deck is the way forward.

Silva needs to simplify his message. I’m not holding my breath though. I fully expect the same formation and favorites to start.

Trevor Peers
101 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:41:26
I agree with most of what your saying Clive, but like I said before no matter what permutations Silva plays with this squad we will struggle to score goals, it might be a bit easier tonight but I doubt it.
Jonathan Tasker
102 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:42:57
You’re all assuming that the owners are bothered about winning the Carabao Cup

Since the owners only actually care about staying in the Premier League, I’m guessing that we won’t see a full strength team tonight

John Kavanagh
103 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:44:30
Rotten weather and a home side that will be expecting a win backed up by a hostile crowd expecting a giant killing. Millwall 2 on the horizon unless the near impossible happens.

Almost glad there isn't a stream to increase the mental torture in prospect.

However, miracles do sometimes happen and hopefully one or two of our youngsters will get to play and our forwards will have a bit of luck.

My biggest hope is that our long suffering away fans get something to cheer about tonight, even if it's only Walcott not coming on.
COYB (fingers crossed) EFC on penalties.

Gary Fenton
104 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:49:07
Everton XI v Sheff Wed: Pickford, Sidibe, Holgate, Mina, Digne (c), Delph, Davies, Richarlison, Iwobi, Bernard, Calvert-Lewin. Subs: Lössl, Keane, Coleman, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Kean.
Steve Ferns
105 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:50:20
It’s still a 4231. He needs to go 433.
Brian Wilkinson
106 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:51:05
Come on John, Walcott not starting or being brought on at some point, watch out for that flying pig mate.

One humble pie I do not mind eating if it does not happen.

Mark Murphy
107 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:52:57
“Silva won't drop a guy who scored 12 goals last season especially in such a crucial game, like tonight's. “

Well he has - maybe he’s reading this thread?

Decent looking team that - hope Tom takes his chance and DCL gets a couple!

John Kavanagh
108 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:56:00
Like the team selection, but the bench is awful. At least three of those I'd have left at home.
Trevor Peers
109 Posted 24/09/2019 at 18:59:31
If Silva loses his arse will be in the bacon grinder Mark COYB.
John Keating
110 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:05:52
Same tactics whether it's Man City or Hartlepool
Steve Ferns
111 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:06:01
I’m very happy with the selection John. I just would have preferred us to have gone with one of Iwobi or Bernard and an extra midfielder. Hopefully Iwobi plays deep in a midfield 3 and Bernard and Richarlson flank Dom Calvert-Lewin in a front 3.

The back five is what I wanted to see. Drop Keane and give Holgate a chance with Mina. Fingers cross Holgate and Davies can play well as id like to see those two have a run in the side.

Im hoping for an early goal and a comfortable win for the blues.

Kieran Kinsella
112 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:08:16
The Iceland coach says Sig and Schneid don’t connect well. See ya lads
John Kavanagh
113 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:12:23
Kieran@112 - Wot's the views of the Aldi and Lidl coaches?
John Hammond
114 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:28:38
Iwobi at #10. Please with that
Mark Murphy
115 Posted 24/09/2019 at 19:30:23
John!
Me sides!!!
Hahaha!

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