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1 Posted 23/03/2020 at 11:17:14
What's done is done, but every time I read one of these, "The first time I saw Rooney, I couldn't believe. . . " statements from someone.
2 Posted 23/03/2020 at 11:21:29
3 Posted 23/03/2020 at 11:41:16
Interesting as well on what Osman says Artetea brought to Everton in terms of diet etc.
4 Posted 23/03/2020 at 12:13:35
I just loved the lad, a little scally from Liverpool 11 showing the world such supreme skill and confidence, pity we couldnt keep him, Evertons loss was Manchester Uniteds massive, massive gain.
5 Posted 23/03/2020 at 12:51:46
Just watching him orchestrate things at Derby is a delight.
He was at Goodison probably at the wrong time and under a poor regime although some will argue his attitude may have been at fault too but it seemed like he knew he wasn't going to win much under Moyes and one can't fault his judgement moving to Manure.
Everton have had many young, promising starlets over the last ten years and one wonders if some of them didn't really get the chance to develop.
These days, younger players want stardom immediately and don't have the patience or dedication and just ruin their careers before they get anywhere.
Rooney was special and there is no British player in the game presently who looks like they can emulate him.
6 Posted 23/03/2020 at 13:04:00
7 Posted 23/03/2020 at 13:28:56
The press was trying to sell him the very next day. All except the Mail On Sunday whose headline was
Now Hes Beaten By A 16 Year Old!
Theyd been running a campaign to get Seaman dropped by England for weeks
Mean spirited as ever.
8 Posted 23/03/2020 at 13:53:51
9 Posted 23/03/2020 at 14:03:33
10 Posted 23/03/2020 at 14:25:14
I'm quite lucky, (very lucky I mean) I've seen Everton win at home and abroad, I've seen many great players, but still to this day, Rooney gave me the finest 90 minutes I have ever witnessed live by a footballer, in that nil-nil draw against Bolton, in a game In which he could have scored five.
Moyes in his interview, “but he never scored” Campo, who had played for Real Madrid, sprinted after Rooney at the final whistle, and left the pitch with his arm around him, in a sign of total respect for this young kid.
Funny, I've read the extracts in a book written about young scouse footballers, and the things they both, get up to, and have to put up with, and Rooney that night got rumbled off a young brass. "Give us your autograph" she asked.
"Okay, you was shagged tonight off Wayne Rooney," he wrote. (If this book is true?)
So, in answer to Moyes, he definitely scored in the end!
11 Posted 23/03/2020 at 14:26:16
I also believe that Man Utd got him on the cheap. I'm sure Ferguson would have gone a lot higher. The price should have been £35 million cash up front – none of this drip feed nonsense. Man Utd got a bargain and they know it.
12 Posted 23/03/2020 at 14:59:54
He made a decision, first and foremost about his own life, career, and future. I've no time for those who can't get over it, it says more about them than it does about Rooney in my opinion.
13 Posted 23/03/2020 at 15:05:04
No irony whatsoever, but watching Boris Johnson's speech yesterday, he reminded me of Kenwright. He's got his dream, but I'm not sure that's going to be good for everyone else.
The question posed to Boris, was “You told us we are two weeks behind Italy” he nodded, then squirmed when he was told that “Italy shut down two weeks ago”.
14 Posted 23/03/2020 at 15:07:23
15 Posted 23/03/2020 at 15:14:26
The real shame about Rooney is the truncated second coming. It all ended a little abruptly and with dissatisfaction for all parties involved – the club, Rooney himself and the fans.
16 Posted 23/03/2020 at 15:28:47
17 Posted 23/03/2020 at 15:49:55
I remember him at Anfield on a Sunday afternoon just before Christmas, he terrified Liverpool supporters and he wasnt even on the field, running up and the perimeter of field, with the Everton hoardes screaming out “ Rooneys gonna get yeh” and the Red fans giving him loads, Wayne smiling to himself as he jogged up and down, when he got on Henchoz kneed one of his efforts over the bar, never scored, saved himself a fine, if he had scored, his shirt was coming off to reveal on his T-shirt underneath “ KOPiTES ARE GOBSHITES”, pity he never scored though.
18 Posted 23/03/2020 at 15:54:10
I remember seeing his mum and dad after the next game, and was honestly tempted to go and tell them to get home to make more babies, because that's how good Wayne Rooney was when he first burst on the scene.
A different argument but I think he would have been a better player for staying at Everton, but I'm sure a lot of Man Utd fans would disagree. It would be interesting to see where he stands, in the list of great players those United fans have seen over the last 25 years, especially if being a scouser doesn't come in to it with them?
19 Posted 23/03/2020 at 16:08:40
20 Posted 23/03/2020 at 16:09:22
21 Posted 23/03/2020 at 16:31:40
22 Posted 23/03/2020 at 16:37:37
The very brave MP for Walton at the time (and mad Evertonian), Peter Kilfoyle, made a statement to the House of Commons on the subject and named the names of a national crime figure and some well known local ones; he also referenced Dagleish as playing a part.
It was all public record at the time for those who wish to revisit the matter.
23 Posted 23/03/2020 at 16:43:21
24 Posted 23/03/2020 at 16:59:43
The Adams Family were involved and later a grenade was found on the wall around Daglish's house. All public record information.
25 Posted 23/03/2020 at 17:17:57
Didn't the judge pretty well call the odious Stretford a liar, and have a bit of a pop at Dalglish as well? That bloke you're talking about was an enforcer for London gangsters, I recall.
Or was that the bloke who Gerard spoke up for in court that time?
26 Posted 23/03/2020 at 17:26:21
27 Posted 23/03/2020 at 17:40:49
It gives you some idea of the money involved. Rooneys previous, or his legitimate agent, was in dispute with Stretford over his contract I think. Bags full of banknotes involved too.
Dalglish earning his commissions
There was a lot of talk about Stretford ending up dead in a ditch at the time. He left his agency to work full time for Rooney and his family, didn't he? A nice little earner for a salesman of electrical appliances, and for a good long time.
28 Posted 23/03/2020 at 19:05:15
I find many Man Utd fans are disinclined to acknowledge just how good he was for them. With us, he would have achieved legendary status. With United, he was just another successful player in a successful team.
29 Posted 23/03/2020 at 19:24:49
Trevor Birch, was going to be our saviour, but I believe he took one look at the books and said that, for Everton to survive without having to go into administration, then they would have to sell their asset, and next thing he was out the door.
It wasn't long before Rooney followed, a broken foot conveniently helping Everton keep hold until the transfer window was nearly shut, and probably helped keep Kenwright in-charge of Everton for way too many years too long.
Maybe this isn't the truth, maybe it's nowhere near the truth, but losing Rooney was a terrible blow, even if the team came 4th the very next season. I've never seen a player like him in a blue shirt since, with even half his talent, although I loved little Timmy Cahill's massive heart!
30 Posted 23/03/2020 at 20:05:33
Moyes was trying to behave like Alex Ferguson did with his young players, but he never had Fergusons personality. And Rooney just needed to unleashed.
31 Posted 23/03/2020 at 20:18:19
That was exactly the feeling. One of the things I had against Moyes from that time. He really did hold him back.
But then Moyes later sued him over something in his book... and won, as I recall. No smoke, etc. Things cannot have been very good between them.
32 Posted 23/03/2020 at 20:36:52
Wayne Rooney first came to my attention via a lad, Phil Parker, who occasionally posts on this site. His words to me where something along the lines of, "John, you should see this kid who plays for the Under-18s and he's only 14".
Some time later, despite living in Skelmersdale, I, along with my son and a friend who is no longer with us, went to watch a youth team game and my first impression was, "This is a boy in a man's body". The same feeling I had when Joe Royle operated in the youth team.
I really thought that we could build a team around him, but sadly that never happened. I thought that he would have encouraged a better class of player to sign for the club. I never felt anger towards him, I just felt that his agent could have advised him to give Everton another season to see how things developed, but I suppose that time means money to agents.
On a more pleasant note my season ticket problem has been resolved, but not without a hiccup or two, another topic to discuss at the long-awaited get-together.
33 Posted 23/03/2020 at 21:46:23
There was one game versus Man Utd at Goodison, Everton were losing 3-0 at half time. Wayne came on for the second half and nearly changed the game. We got back to 3-3 before Man Utd got the winner near the very end. After that game, the United players were telling Ferguson, “You've got to sign this lad!”
I think there is a lot of truth in the comment that Everton would have been in serious financial trouble if they hadn't sold Rooney when they did.
There was a story told to me by Bob Pendleton, the scout who brought Wayne to the club, it's not about Rooney but the way Bob was rewarded by Everton after he was sold, but Bob never revealed it to the press so I won't on here.
34 Posted 23/03/2020 at 21:52:33
35 Posted 23/03/2020 at 21:55:17
36 Posted 23/03/2020 at 22:04:13
37 Posted 23/03/2020 at 22:17:30
38 Posted 23/03/2020 at 22:33:03
Brian my post at (36), should have read ‘Ill even pour them out for you.
39 Posted 23/03/2020 at 22:35:16
Hear, hear to that, mate. I look forward to when we can all put this behind us and look back and think "Thank fook that's over with."
I hope some things will change in the world, for the better!
40 Posted 23/03/2020 at 22:53:24
41 Posted 23/03/2020 at 22:59:07
42 Posted 23/03/2020 at 23:39:57
43 Posted 24/03/2020 at 09:10:36
It struck me right away, that this has come all the way from Alex Ferguson, and what he instilled in all the young kids who came through at United.
That's what we need Brands and Ancelotti to do at Everton. Instil hard work and discipline, instil the importance of your team-mates, and instil that will to always want to be better, that's Ferguson's legacy imo, and massive credit to that class of 99, for staying true to their roots, even if what Ryan Giggs did, was a hanging offence imo!
I heard a story, that supposedly came from Wayne Rooney's lips, after he made his second Everton debut and scored the winner against Stoke. With minutes to go an Everton player was fouled (no names!) and jumped up, grabbed the ball, and tried to take a quick free-kick.
"What are you doing?" asked Rooney. The player looked at him like he had two heads, shrugged his shoulders, and said “I'm taking the free-kick”.
“We are winning by a single goal, we are in the last few minutes, don't you think it would be better taking your time, staying down a minute, instead of rushing to take the free-kick?”
That was what Rooney told my mate, when relaying the story of how he couldn't believe International footballers at Everton didn't really know how to win.
44 Posted 24/03/2020 at 15:12:25
I bet you that Kenwright writes one of those books!!!
45 Posted 24/03/2020 at 15:39:41
He was just too good for our team. Also, I remember reading that we averaged more points per game when he was not playing, presumably because when he was in the team the other players thought all they had to do was give it to Rooney.
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