VAR saves off-colour Blues after Richarlison madness

Exactly 10 years to the day since their last Merseyside derby victory, Premier League leaders Everton face local rivals Liverpool at Goodison Park with a full-strength side looking to extend their 100% start to the season.

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Richarlison was dismissed near the end for a ridiculous challenge on Thiago

Exactly 10 years to the day since their last Merseyside derby victory, Premier League leaders Everton face local rivals Liverpool at Goodison Park with a full-strength side looking to extend their 100% start to the season.

Carlo Ancelotti is able to call on all his star players, with only Nkounkou missing from the bench, where new signings Robin Olsen and Ben Godfrey are in the matchday squad for the first time.

Liverpool kicked off and Van Dijk sown made his mark on James Rodriguez. Liverpool attacked with pace down the left and Mane lashed the ball past Pickford. A dreadful start for the Blues.

Everton tried to respond but, as soon as Liverpool got the ball, they surged forward and threatened again, the Blues all over the place, giving away a corner, from which Van Dijk tried to get around at the far post and Pickford thundered into him to get the ball behind but he was called offside. VAR took a long long look at it, and confirmed the offside, likely saving a penalty call against Everton's erratic keeper.

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Calvert-Lewin tried to advance down the right but the build-up was far too slow to be effective. But Everton at least had some possession, as Van Dijk was deemed unfit to carry on, Gomez replacing him.

Digne got a cross in but Calvert-Lewin jumped a little too early and headed over. But another Liverpool attack had Everton all at sixes and sevens, until Firmino headed behind. But the visitors continued to dictate the pace of the game with the Blues looking shell-shocked and lost.

Playing out from the back, Digne had to scoop the ball up to Calvert-Lewin who took it down superbly to work a shot but then scuffed it terribly as he was flagged offside.

A poor ball from Rodriguez was way too far ahead of Richarlison. But Calvert-Lewin was played in right and driven wide before shooting at Adrian. From the corner, Keane headed home superbly through Adrian's hands.

A terrible giveaway by Allan allowed Liverpool to advance but Salah's shot was easy meat for Pickford.

A free-kick awarded against a rash high boot by Gomes was argued against by the Blues to no avail, was driven toward the top corner by Alexander-Arnold but Jordan gets across superbly to push it behind.

Calvert-Lewin headed down a clearance perfectly to Rodriguez but a dreadful touch from the great man allowed Liverpool to attack. Everton were resorting to the long ball as a way over the high press that was continually thwarting them in midfield.

Everton did a better job of winning back possession, Richarlison looking strangely sloppy trying to control the ball and getting fouled. Coleman was uncomfortable and needed attention, but his hamstring was injured and he had to give way to Ben Godfrey.

Mane beat Godfrey to set up Thiago for a firm strike that sailed just wide of Pickford's goal. A move like their first goal almost came off for the Reds, Mane sidefooting wide fro a very good Robertson cross as the pendulum swung back relentlessly in their favour, Allan struggling and giving up a free-kick against Mane. Godfrey stuck in well to clear for a corner that Everton defended away.

A good free-kick opportunity for Everton from a foul on Rodriguez was headed back into space by Mina to no-one and picked up by the Reds who were instantly down the other end.

Somehow, Everton failed to score from a much sharper move that saw a great cross deflected away from Richarlison. At the other end, another lightning Liverpool attack saw Henderson screw the ball away from goal when it looked ominously easier to score.

Godfrey did incredibly well to wriggle free and feed Rcharlison whose shot was very poor, lamely struck over the bar. Allan gave the ball away again to let Liverpool build, James forced into a difficult challenge on Mane which led to a very dangerous free-kick on the corner of the area that was headed away and then blocked by Godfrey, Everton this time springing the counter.

A long throw by Digne was really poor but led to a late corner as Adrian parried behind but a poor delivery from Rodriguez curled behind on it's way over. Another Liverpool attack ended a difficult half for Everton who had really not clicked at all, with Rodriguez, Allan and Doucouré all below par.

Everton resumed but Liverpool built the first attack, Firmino firing over from distance. Another rapid red move from aa failed Everton attack saw Henderson lash the ball over.

An absolutely wonderful ball out of nothing from Rodriguez to Digne on a sixpence had Liverpool on the back foot and the low cross was perfect for Calvert-Lewin to tap in past Adrian... only he missed it completelY!

A terrible giveaway by Mina after a good sequence of Everton passing led to a bizarre sequence where Mina pushed Roberston over, and he kicked out at Allan. VARdid not seem to see anything wrong with it... six of one?

Gomes made a horrible clearance straight to a Liverpool player that was fortunately not punished, but Everton were still in the game, and starting to move the ball around a little better, a brilliant ball by Rodriguez found Richarlison at the far post... how did he not score??? Because he hit the post, point-blank with Adrian surely beaten, but was he pushed at the critical final moment?

Another Liverpool attack is put behind by Digne and the corner defended away by a good header from Calvert-Lewin. Nice Blues passing was spoilt when Gomes needlessly whacked it way too hard.

Things opened up for James through the middle and his shot almost beat Adrian. From the Digne long throw, Richarlison skied it into the deserted Gwladys Street. Mane was shown yellow for a clumsy foul on Digne. Allan dispossessed Salah with consummate brilliance in the Everton area.

Gomes went in the book for a needless foul on Thiago. With something needed and Sigurdsson coming on for Gomes, Mina cleared the ball straight to Salah who lashed the ball into the far corner of the net. Abysmal defending from the Columbian.

Keane found Calvert-Lewin with a geat forward ball that he took well on his chest but the defender got a touch to deny him a chance. Liverpool attached again, and Keane did well to thwart Salah at the expense of a corer and Matip's header was a goal all the way but for an absolutely top-draw save by Pickford.

Liverpool created acres of space for Salah who had another snapshot, but straight at Pickford and he pulled out another good stop. At the other end, a fine cross from Digne and this time Calvert-Lewin timed his prodigious leap perfectly, directing it accurately away from Adrian and just inside the post, a fantastic goal.

Keystone cops at the other end, Pickford blocking well and Mane bizarrely glancing a goalbound shot beyond the far post. Everton attacked but Rodriguez went down, clipped by Firmino and Richarlison messed up a chance at the other end. Cards for Firmino and Allan.

Everton knew they needed to take it to the Reds but Rodriguez's cross to Adrian was woeful when he should have done much better. Liverpool went up the other end and won another dangerous free-kick, Alexander-Arnold whipping it wide of the near post.

A dreadful foul by Richarlison on Thiago after Mina had fouled Firmino saw the Everton player shown a red card, after he tried to avoid it by staying down, a ridiculous challenge by the Brazilian.

Liverpool attacked frenetically in the last 5 minutes, Hendersen driving his shot through Pickford to win the game for the hated Reds but Mane looked offide as he crossed and VAR disallowed it. Incredible.

It still wasn't over, Iwobi winning a clever free-keep deep into stoppage time. Rodriguez swung it too far and the whistle finally went on a really disappointing Everton performance with Liverpool there for the taking, and chances that will be rued.

Everton: Pickford, Coleman (32' Godfrey), Keane, Mina, Digne, Allan [Y:85'], Doucouré (77' Iwobi), Gomes [Y:69'] (71' Sigurdsson), Rodriguez [Y:45'], Richarlison [R:89'], Calvert-Lewin.
Subs not Used: Olsen, Delph, Davies, Bernard.

Liverpool: Adrian, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, Van Dijk (11' Gomez), Robertson, Henderson, Fabinho [Y:85'] (90' Wijnaldum), Thiago, Salah, Firmino (77' Jota), Mane [Y:67'].Subs not Used: Kelleher, Milner, Jones, Minamino.

Kick-off: 12:30pm, Saturday 17 October, 2020
Referee: Michael Oliver
VAR: David Coote

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Brent Stephens
1 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:32:00
Strong team!
Brent Stephens
2 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:32:14
Digne plays!
Roger Sunde
3 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:33:39
Full team, so do Liverpool except keeper...
Geoff Williams
4 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:34:41
Fingers crossed! COYB
Peter Dodds
5 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:35:43
Full strength! Digne and Mina playing. So too Mane and Thiago.
Darren Hind
6 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:36:51
Come on, Jordan son.

Redemption awaits!

Dave Williams
7 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:38:19
My nightmare was just that – two very strong teams.

It's all about attitude – the ballsiest team will win!

Tom Bowers
8 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:39:03
Oliver, an iffy referee. Hope he has a decent game. Referees never been to kind us in Derbies. We need to keep Salah on his right foot.
Kim Vivian
9 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:42:17
I actually don't mind M Oliver. Think he's okay usually. (Reserving the option to change my mind in a couple of hours though!)
Ciarán McGlone
10 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:44:34
Just make it a good game... that's all I ask. Anything else is a bonus.

Although at 3/1, I'm having some of that.

Teddy Draper
11 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:46:01
After that drubbing the RS got, they are going to be very wary of another one. I think they will be very careful hence plenty of chances for us. Let's go for it from the start.
Steve Shave
12 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:49:27
Yes! I wish a fit and fired-up Holgate was playing but that is a strong line-up. COYB!
Dave White
13 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:50:35
So excited I can’t sit still! We don’t need to do anything different to what we’ve been doing. COYB!!!
Martin Berry
14 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:56:49
Our best line up and that midfield is not for passing. I think we will have to much power and legs in that area and nullify any dominance by the opposition that they have been used to.

I think Calvert-Lewin will make all the difference due to his physical stature which will cause problems for their defense that they are not used to.

3-1 to the mighty blues!

Jay Harris
15 Posted 17/10/2020 at 11:57:42
Good to see we are at full strength but disappointed Nkoukou and Gordon aren't on the bench.
Conor McCourt
16 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:06:52
Can't wait. Let's get fucking at them, no respect, no fear. Let's test that keeper and defence after Villa.
Brian Wilkinson
17 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:10:45
Any corners and Virgil will be stuck to Calvert-Lewin like glue, leaving Mina and Keane free. Do not be surprised if one of those two score from a corner.
Gerry Ring
18 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:11:15
For the first 15 minutes, we need to get stuck in & to show serious aggression particularly in midfield. The “soft mid-field belly” we've had for the last number of seasons is gone.

We now have strong tacklers who won't be standing back looking admiringly at the opposition. I'm bloody nervous & excited & hoping that this will be our day...

Brian Wilkinson
19 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:14:04
Make no mistake though, they know a loss puts them 6 points behind us, so will not be coming for anything less than a win.

Keep our composure and put our chances away and we will win this, but we will have to play a near perfect game, with no passengers.

Jay Wood

20 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:15:40
Since the first away game of the season, every fixture has been a test for this new-look Everton team. We've passed each one with flying colours.

What has proven to be a very good Spurs outfit barely got a kick or a chance against us. Immediately in that game we saw the pattern of play that has stood us in good stead for all 7 wins this season.

Solid back line. Both full-backs supporting the attack well. Allan and Doucouré filling the gaps as Digne and Coleman steam forward. Gomes and James drawing teams to them then completely switching play to the opposite, more open flank. Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison on fire.

The opposition find it difficult to track and defend our rotating players, not knowing which line of attack we will go at them.

Go behind to WBA, Palace and Brighton draw level with us? No hands on hips, no looking sheepishly at the ground rather than look your team mates in the eye. Just pick the ball out of the net, place it on the centre spot...and twat them out of sight.

Liverpool is the team with the problems. They wobbled in the final third of last season, coughing up 2 goals v struggling West Ham, 3 to relegated Watford, 4 to Man City, 3 at home to Chelsea. Similar this season. 3 at home to newly promoted Leeds, 7 away to nearly-relegated Villa.

It takes a lot of drilling to have a defence operating smoothly. Klopp has had zero time to address that horror show at Villa. That day, Barkley and Grealish, in their first game together, totally bossed the playground. They were lucky it was only 7.

We have similar and better players to do the same.

It's time, Everton. It's time.

Chris Gould
21 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:20:11
Surprised not to see Nkounkou on the bench seeing as Digne and Coleman were doubts. Would have liked to have seen him there instead of one of the 3 central midfielders.

If our first 11 are all fully fit then we have no reason to fear them. In saying that, they have potentially their best 11 out apart from the Goalie, so it's going to be tough.

Phil Smith
22 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:27:49
Now the acid test to see how far we’ve really come...
Mike Keating
23 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:31:52
Apologies for previous link for a stream via Watched. This required a subscription after a time out - not worth the risk.

Now have it up on hesgoal which sometimes drops out and needs refreshing but ok.


Pete Williams
24 Posted 17/10/2020 at 12:40:56
Great. Losing already. They're up for it and we aren't.
Paul Setter
25 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:01:34
I hope that challenge made every Liverpool fan's blood boil. They have got away with shit like that for years and feel no remorse, so why the fuck should anyone else give a shit if it happened to one of their fannies??
Phil Smith
26 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:02:01
Gomes the weak link here. Too slow and gives away stupid free-kicks.
Ciarán McGlone
27 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:22:53
Gomes the clear weak link in midfield.. sad to see that he's been so unsure since the injury.

Liverpool looking strong today but we are better than what we've seen so far.

All to play for.

Simon Dalzell
28 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:26:52
I agree Phil. I would take Gomes off. Too slow and generally not good enough. Similar for Allan, needs to stop getting caught in possession and giving free-kicks around box.

Lack of pace in midfield a concern. We can get something, but will have to buck up, quite lethargic and ponderous first half.

Jay Wood

29 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:26:54
Poor from Everton. But, we're level.

Michael Keane looks the only composed player on the ball. The rest are playing with a brain fog. James and Richy just not on it.

Poor control. Poor positioning. Poor passing. Poor challenges.

Allan and Doucoure are being given the run around in midfield. Sad that the long ball up to Dom is the most 'creative' we have been.

Hopefully, a good half-time headshake will see us improve after the break.

We need to.

Graham Hammond
30 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:36:25
Shit defending on the goal, Coleman, Allan and Keane, not good enough, not looking at the shirt, not seeing the shirt.

Calamity Pickford got lucky on Van Dijk, very lucky... how long do we stick with this overweight joker?

So many of our players look half-asleep, the RS look there for the taking but our movement off the ball is poor again and so our passing is rank once more.

Gomes too slow, upgrade needed. Allan looks out of sorts, Richarlison too sadly.

Godfrey looks like a star in the making though, stood his ground and Henderson got it in the gob, happy days, love him already. Step up, Everton, wake up, believe and take all three points.

Ernie Baywood
31 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:43:55
Agreed Phil. Gomes has had a shocker.
Ernie Baywood
32 Posted 17/10/2020 at 13:55:22
Think it's time to put him out of his misery and get Gylfi on.
Simon Dalzell
33 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:12:34
Shocking by Mina. Wait. Get iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin !!!!!
Gerry Ring
34 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:27:38
Apart from all the obvious stuff, it’s hard to believe Martin Keown played for us!
Michael Kenrick
35 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:35:07
Everton very lucky there to get a point.

Pickford's challenge was a red card all the way. Rodriguez, Allan, Doucouré, Gomes all off the pace in the one game we needed them to perform.

Great goal from Calvert-Lewin bit he missed a few as well... as usual, unfortunately.

Richarlison. I totally despair. How did he miss the header? Why did he dive in like that?

Maddening that we can't beat these shitheads... even when the ref and VAR are on our side for once!

Tony Hill
36 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:35:33
A very important result psychologically. The first time in living memory against them that we have had the luck – lots of it. That's a big thing.

That said, we also missed two excellent chances against one of the top sides in the world.

Keane, Digne and Calvert-Lewin stood out.

I'll take that, thank you very much.

Kevin Molloy
37 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:37:41
The main takeaway is we have sent the red hordes away for once choking on that result.
Bob Parrington
38 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:37:57
Did we deserve to win? – No!

Did we deserve to lose? – Maybe no!

Was the referee okay? – No, he was a one-sided heap of shite. So one-sided and stupid, he red carded Richarlison. Fuckwhit of a referee Michael Oliver!

Ernie Baywood
39 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:38:31
Well, I said before the game that the result wouldn't change my view that we're making progress, and I still feel the same.

A bit disappointed that we didn't really play our own game and looked a bit panicked in possession but give the others some credit – they make a lot of teams look poor.

Thought André had a dog of a day, right from the first minute. He lost the ball easily and then was weak in a challenge in the lead up to their goal. Gylfi undoubtedly comes in – at least we've got some depth there.

Richarlison no good on the day. Maybe traveling around the world doesn't help. Not sure about the foul yet – didn't look a red in real time but looked poor in slow motion.

Calvert-Lewin – no service and still scored a beauty.

Mina is Mina. Misplaced passes and a terrible clearance for the second goal. He's an obvious one to replace.

If he is replaced, I think we saw enough in Godfrey today. That was a horrible job he was given today and he did pretty well. Lots to like.

Overall, thank fuck that's over. Let's go again.

Anthony Jones
40 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:38:41
This team is not quite there. Alcantara is Gomes x2.
Jay Wood

41 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:41:51
That was a roller-coaster of emotions.

Much, much improved in the 2nd half. Much more confident on the ball. Much better with our passing and possession.

We were clearly the better side, creating genuine chances, when Salah scored against the run of play. It wasn't just down to Mina's poor clearance. There were missed challenges and poor closing down in the build up to that goal.

After missing a near tap-in, what a prodigious leap by Dom for his equalising header.

And after today, is anyone knocking VAR?

Pickford and Keane were my standouts today. I can see Sigurdsson usurping Gomes for a starting spot. Mario now has a selection conundrum anyway after Richarlison's totally unnecessary red card.

Frustrated we didn't break the abysmal winless streak today. Disappointed with some individual performances, but still encouraged that we came back twice from behind to gain a point.

Still unbeaten. Still top of the table. Still room for improvement.

Michael Lynch
42 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:42:43
Hearing the RS bleating on Radio Merseyside is comedy gold.
Allan Board
43 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:42:58
Still top for the week to come! Klopp is a coronary waiting to happen!

We played poorly, still they couldn't beat us. Relax, the times they are a-changing! Couldn't happen to a nicer wanker than Henderson too!

Thought the ref was excellent too! Let's give it to 'em all week!!

Funny old game, footy! ... Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Kevin Molloy
44 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:43:53
I can't believe they cancelled out that winner. VAR is such a crock. It it literally ruining the game. If that was us in injury time, I'd be apoplectic.
Tony Hill
45 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:44:01
Absolutely, Anthony @40, there's a long way to go as we all knew but a game like today's will make the side think that the gods are Blue.

As for the moaning of the RS, let's drink it in.

Vijay Nair
46 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:45:14
We had a bit of luck on our side today to get a draw. Happy with that nevertheless.

With Richarlison suspended, hopefully Bernard can get a look in... for a few games at least.

And definitely Godfrey over Mina in the next game against Southampton.

Jay Wood

47 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:46:03
'Mario?!' Have I been asleep for a year? Where did that come from?

I mean Carlo of course.

(No edit button available).

Kieran Kinsella
48 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:47:12
Injured their players, let them experience the despair of the disallowed Fergie time goal. Much to be happy about. :)
Mike Hughes
49 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:48:54
Well, it'll be a few beers for us Blues tonight. For the RS? A few bitters and a large whine. Ha,ha,ha.

We got away with it. Van Dijk looked to take a couple of our lads out so justice was done for me.

And I haven't disliked an RS like Robertson for years. Scumbag.

This was a point gained!!! Enjoy the after-match moan-in.

Pekka Harvilahti
50 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:50:17
Thank you whoever runs this mad world!

I turned the TV off right away when they scored, but it looks like I had little faith and we got a precious point from one of the most powerful Dark Sides ever. It was pretty close call for an all-out all-night drinking session but, with the fairly good news, I'm going to concentrate on music.

Alan J Thompson
51 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:50:20
To be honest, their movement was so much better than ours and they made us look like we were just getting to know each other and it was a case of half chances that weren't taken.

I thought that Richarlison was hard done in getting sent off as he appeared to get a very slight touch on the ball and, as in the earlier case between Pickford and Van Dijk, it was a matter of both players moving towards the ball.

On the upside, we can improve so much more.

Mike Bersiks
52 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:50:43
Positive: We scored two top drawer goals, especially the move leading up to Calvert-Lewin's one.

Negative: We should've scored at least two more with some glaring misses and the post coming to their rescue.

Positive: Pickford made at least four great saves to keep us in it, especially diving to tip out that free-kick in the first half and with his feet to deny Mane late on.

Negative: Pickford could've gifted them the winner in injury time with a soft Henderson goal until it was unbelievably ruled out for offside. Am I being too harsh on him or should he have stopped that without it looping over?

Positive: The team showed some mental strength to claw their way back twice and, for a period in the second half, were bossing the game.

Negative: The whole midfield and Mina and Richarlison looked like they had suffered from the international break, with no-one (even James) up to the standard they had set before.

How many games is Richarlison out for now?

Mike Bersiks
53 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:55:39
Alan #51

Richarlison definitely got the ball, but I'm sure the red was for catching him full on the shin with his studs in the follow-through.

Brian Williams
54 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:56:05
We were poor, and their incisive accurate passing compared to ours stood out like a sore thumb.

Having said that, crocking that twat Van Dijk and them having a win plucked from their grasp by the width of an armpit hair at the death makes me smile!!

They will now be feeling how we've felt loads of times in this game... and that makes me smile too.

Unreasonable? Bitter? Childish? Guilty as charged!

John Boswell
55 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:56:24
Kevin @44 I agree with you, such a crap decision for the game but delighted to take it on the day. If we had suffered from that decision, I too would be apoplectic. COYB.
Mike Keating
56 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:57:37
Yes, we were half asleep, Pickford should have seen red and they were the better side but it was worth the 96 minutes of agony just to see Henderson's Halloween mask of horror at the end – how many times have we had to endure that Kind of derby day misery?

VAR is ruining the game – Good!

Frank Sheppard
57 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:58:37
Got out of gaol today. Pickford should have had red, their injury time winner being ruled offside is a mind-bogglingly incorrect decision. There are positives, and we are definitely making process.
Stan Schofield
58 Posted 17/10/2020 at 14:59:50
We didn’t win that game simply because we didn’t play anywhere near as well as we could have done and as recent form would have suggested. If we had played as hoped, we could have taken them apart. Very frustrating.
Ernie Baywood
59 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:00:16
I'll enjoy their moaning. I might even agree with them just to really wind them up.

That said, VAR froze after the ball was kicked, not as it was kicked. It's the reason that VAR is nowhere near as accurate as they think. Should be a margin of error but in this instance Mane was further offside than they made it look.

Just quietly, I think VAR got Pickford off the hook. Made great saves (including an unbelievable one from Matip) but two big calls went his way today.

James Welford
60 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:00:55
Couldn't give BT the money for the monthly pass. Take my money! No, probably because I'm leaving them.

Dodgy Malaysian stream.
Give up at 2-1. Hop back onto the Live Forum. 2-2.

Hop back onto stream. 3-2. Log off in disgust.

Check the result. 2-2 :)

Godfrey looked good! At least that's that over with. We didn't lose and they'll be bitter about not winning. So that feels like a win.

Onwards and upwards and hopefully Gomes can have better games.
Hope Seamus recovers soon but happy with Godfrey, very impressive.

Phil Sammon
61 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:01:10
I don't understand some of these comments. Pickford shouldn't have seen red because Van Dijk was offside. The goal was rightly disallowed because Mane was offside.

Fuck em.

Steve Brown
62 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:01:22
Serves them right, Mane should have trimmed that nasal hair and he wouldn't have been caught offside.
John Atkins
63 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:02:29
It's just brilliant listening to their moaning.

I've asked when the protest march is and if they are doing an online petition.

What goes around comes around...

Joe Corgan
64 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:02:42
We got some fortunate decisions today. Pickford could have gone (and should have in my opinion) regardless of the whistle going. Them's the rules.

The Red media seem livid at the luck we got but, for me, that makes it all the more sweet. It's hilarious. 😂

Roger Helm
65 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:03:01
It was about time we had a bit of luck in the derby. They were the better team so it seems the curse continues – no matter how good Everton get, Liverpool are a bit better. Never mind, we are still top.

Now for the Rugby League Cup Final!

Kevin Molloy
66 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:03:09
We could have won that game today with James.

If we'd had Theo rather than him today, we'd have lost four-nil.

Barry Rathbone
67 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:03:31
Sounds a classic bottle job by Everton "stars" when faced by the red peril with a dash of wholly unexpected good fortune thrown in. Not sure what to make of it beyond the usual of 'we didn't win'.
Anthony Murphy
68 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:04:26
Lots of talking points, but I was appalled at media bias during and after... I thought Klopp was an absolute wanker when getting interviewed on BT after the game.
Steve Brown
69 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:04:36
Rodwell red, Hibbert red, about time things evened up a bit. Do you think they were sympathetic with us?
Mike Owen
70 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:06:14
What's our name?


Terence Leong
71 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:08:26
We were fortunate to get a point, much as the goals we scored were deserved, and we had also given ourselves problems on the pitch, through poor passing and giving the ball away.

Rodriguez's last set piece of the game was a bit of a let-down; I would have thought he'll put the ball in better.

Gomes's contributions in the game were poor; Sigurdsson would be challenging for a spot.

Richarlison's red card was needless, and it does mean that he'll be out of the next two games; hopefully we can see Bernard or Iwobi step up to the plate.

Godfrey looks like he'll do well, and put some pressure on Mina; Keane continues to do well.

It's good that Calvert-Lewin manages to keep his scoring streak; I thought he should have made better plays, eg, in the first half, to wait for his teammates so that he can lay the ball off to, rather than the tame shot. I reckon we need strikers to keep trying, though in tight games, chances are a premium.

The main thing I feel we have taken away from, is that we managed to get the point, even though we were below par.

Colin Glassar
72 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:10:23
We looked a bit off-colour after the international break, as usual, so the performance wasn’t surprising to me. To come back twice against the rs is pleasantly surprising imo.

The Carlo Revolution is well under way.

Dave Abrahams
73 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:12:02
We got lucky today, Liverpool were the better team. VAR still stinks, I doubt it was meant to judge offsides like this. However, Liverpool have benefited from such decisions so they will have to grin and bear it.

We played with ten men for 70 minutes and finished with 10 men because of Richarlison's stupidity, he had a poor game to go with it. Pickford kept us in the game but was at fault for their, ultimately, offside goal.

I think it was the worst we've played all season and the game proved we are still a couple of men short of being one of the contenders for league honours, but you can see we are getting there and Ben will help us get there.

I believe Klopp is doing his nut in the post-match interview.

Jay Wood

74 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:13:08
Clive Thomas and Brian Hamilton's goal.

Graham Poll and Don Hutchinson's goal.

Martin Atkinson and Jack Rodwell's red card.

Mark Clattenburg and Tony Hibbert red card, Kuyt's unpunished waist-high challenge on Neville, Carragher's foul on Lescott.

Stevie G's unpunished two-footed jump tackle into Gary Naismith.

I could go on.

I wonder if Klopp is familiar with the word 'schadenfreude'?

Bill Gienapp
75 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:16:20
Thought we deserved the point. We were obviously far from our best, but showed real mental toughness in coming from behind twice. If this was under Silva last year, Mane's opener would have been game over. They would have scored a second within the first ten minutes, then added a third before halftime. Score a fourth early in the second half, then close up shop. Maybe we grab a meaningless consolation goal late, then they throw in a fifth in the 91st minute for good measure.

Obviously people are frustrated because there's this foreboding sense of "If not now, when?" But... we take the point and move on to next week. Still unbeaten, still top of the table. Take care of business against Southampton and we're cooking with gas again.

And I'll certainly take the VAR assist, but speaking objectively, it's encountering the same issues that the NFL did in the nascent days of instant replay. The point is to overturn egregious calls, not to comb through the footage frame-by-frame, trying to determine if a guy's elbow tip is a fraction of a millimeter offside. A little bit of common sense would go a long way in these matters.

Tony Hill
76 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:16:36
What a fine player is Digne. That cross, but also his defensive work; all after a knock on Wednesday.

This was a very big result for us, make no mistake. Occasions like today can reveal themselves as turning points, once the noise dies down and we look back on it.

Mike Doyle
77 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:16:38
Totally agree with Colin. Following the international break I wasn't expecting much of a game. Some players only arrived back Thursday.

We were off the pace first half, but improved in the second. I thought Micheal Keane was MotM, Dom continues to deliver and a quietly impressive debut from Godfrey.

RS were the better side. Pleased to see us come back twice. In previous seasons, we'd have collapsed.

Expecting a better performance next week.

Brian Williams
78 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:17:01
I think, Jay, that what today proved is that that VAR malarkey always favours the teams at the top of the table, fnar fnar!! 🤣
Peter Warren
79 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:18:16
I would like to see Flash play next match...
David Hallwood
80 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:18:18
I accept that Carlo likes to pass it around, and amen to that. But today all the elements were there to go Route 1 into the channels and knock it into the box.

No Van Dijk, dodgy goalkeeper and Calvert-Lewin on fire, the few times we did knock it in we scored and Richarlison hit the post.

Patrick McFarlane
81 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:19:42
By the sounds of it, a very below-par performance from Everton today, behind twice, down to 10 men albeit briefly and a couple of dodgy decisions that went Everton's way...

But hey-ho – we gained a point and the neighbours were 'robbed' of all three – that sounds a familiar script to me but this time it's us that got the breaks and apparently good teams make their own luck, or at least that's what I've heard regularly and often from the other lot's fans over the years.

Nicholas Ho
82 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:19:54
It is refreshing to say that no team would be thinking it is easy to get points off Everton this season. COYB
Jamie Crowley
83 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:20:02
All these Craig Ferguson laugh fits sum up my mood.


I can't stop laughing. Robbed. Too good. Too funny. Make it stop. It hurts.

Christine Foster
84 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:21:59
Tactically the reason we never got going was they pressed on JR who cannot defend for a toffee mint and exploited that side of the pitch leaving the full-back with two attacking players all the time, we had so many holes on that side of the pitch it was painful to watch.

That was their game plan and it worked well in the first half, but Allan covered more the holes in the second.

Pickford made two or three class saves but he was lucky to be on the pitch after the mistimed lunge for the ball (which he missed but clattered Van Dijk). We created few chances but, when James gets it on his left, goodness its good. Calvert-Lewin made his goal look simple, Richarlison was unlucky to hit the post but made attackers tackle that earned him a straight red. Was it deserved? Probably.

Klopp was thoroughly pissed-off in his post-match interview, which I guess one cannot blame him for, but it's nice to see Karma still exists.

We didn't play as well as we could, but then we played as well as we were allowed. But we didn't give up, we could have won it and as for the VAR, how many times in the past 30 years have we seen the rub of the green go their way in the final minutes? The tide has turned, the devil's luck has run out.

Craig Walker
85 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:23:11
When we played football, we looked good. We went long too often for me. Before Richarlison's madness, we looked really heavy-legged in midfield. The main thing is that it feels like a victory after Henderson hit the back of our net. I actually switched it off but my brother text to say he thought it was offside. I put it on to see the VAR decision.

I can't condone the two terrible challenges though. It's like when Funes Mori crocked Origi at their place. I don't want to see that from our players. Duncan was rough but he didn't go round doing leg-breakers. It gives them an excuse now to say our keeper shouldn't have been on the pitch. I'm all for getting into them aggressively but not with dangerous play.

It doesn't matter who the manager is, we still give far too many stupid fouls away in dangerous areas and invite pressure. Gomes was a liability today. Calvert-Lewin led the line well and scored a brilliantly worked goal. Godfrey impressed being thrown into it. I thought Keane looked composed again and was chuffed for the lad with his goal.

We can play better and rode our luck at times but we hung in there and showed some spirit. We'd have lost that 3 or 4 goals to 1 in the past.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
86 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:26:05
The offside rule says any part of the head, body and feet are offside, it is offside.

I think there may be a moan about you don't play with your arms so they are excluded. That rule was changed on 22 June 1986.

Ernie Baywood
87 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:26:39
You can disagree with the implementation of VAR (as I do) but that is, according to the rules, an objectively correct decision.

As opposed to all of the horror decisions and non-decisions we've suffered at their hands from starry-eyed referees over the years.

So no, I don't feel even slightly bad about it.

Jeff Armstrong
88 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:26:46
Keane is becoming a modern-day Degsy. That's 3 so far already and he's showing what a bit of confidence can do for him.
Ian Jones
89 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:26:49
Whilst I think it was a poor challenge by Richarlison and probably deserved a sending off, the different camera angles are telling. One angle when frozen seems to show a studs up into the knee or just below... another angle suggests it was more his lower legs taking the guy out.

Bizarre game, and hilarious that Liverpool get the goal disallowed. Even more so... the timing of it.

Jeff Armstrong
90 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:30:49
I just keep saying to my RS mates:

“Yeah your right, it wasn't offside.”
“VAR's a joke.”
“You're right again, you were robbed.”

Makes it all the more sweeter when you agree with them and they run out of steam!

Gavin Johnson
91 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:31:54
I must be in the minority. I thought we played reasonably well. They're the Champions and we matched them for the most part.

It was a competitive game. We were never going to completely outplay them. I didn't feel negative during the game once we'd equalised and felt like we could grab another and win it.

I walked out of the pub when they got the disallowed 3rd... so as you can all imagine my elation with the VAR decision when I got home. This is definitely karma for all the ref decisions that have gone against us over the years.

Tony Hill
92 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:35:25
Rodriguez was not stellar today but his excellent corner led to the first goal, his beautifully weighted pass set Digne on his way for the second, and he put it on a plate for Richarlison.

Top player.

Craig Walker
93 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:35:27
Good point, Jeff. That's the way I'll be handling them.
Ajay Gopal
94 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:35:58
Carlo's got to solve the right side problem. We were repeatedly carved open there in the 1st half because James does not do 10% of the work that Richarlison does on the left, leaving the right-back repeatedly exposed. I think Carlo closed that somewhat by bringing Doucouré more towards the right-wing, but when Iwobi came on, there was a gaping hole once again.

As others have mentioned, in order to win against an in-form Liverpool, most players need to have 8/10 games, but I thought Gomes was poor and Mina, Allan, Calvert-Lewin, Pickford, James, Richarlison were very patchy. Sigurdsson and Iwobi were anonymous when they came on.

Liverpool played some breathtaking football especially for the 1st 30 minutes of the 1st half, it was almost like they had 2 extra players on the pitch – every ball finding a player, every ball being passed and received at pace, players moving into space – it was mesmerising stuff, if you are a neutral, but made me a nervous wreck after we went down within 2 minutes. I feared a tonking, but credit to our guys, they stuck in and showed a lot of fight, which is very very encouraging. But this game clearly showed that we are a couple of quality players away from a Top 4 side.

Bill Watson
95 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:36:09
Absolutely no sympathy for Van Dijk. Before he was crocked he made two attempts to take out James, so a bit of Karma. Hope he's out for a good few weeks!

We got lucky with VAR a couple of times but, as the RS were saying last year (in their usual patronising manner), it'll even up over the season!!

Andrew Keatley
96 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:37:29
We pilfered a point there, and hopefully we can dust ourselves down and learn a great deal from what was a largely disappointing performance. Digne, Keane, Godfrey and Calvert-Lewin emerge from the game with extra credit, while others were more hit and miss.

I've been one of several voices on here questioning whether Gomes deserves to be a starter in this new look Everton that Carlo is building. Today revealed what we sceptics have been saying for a while; too slow, too ponderous, too ill-disciplined, too easy to dispossess, too slow to sniff danger – and two or three long passes a match will never hide these deficiencies from anyone looking for a decent all-round midfielder. Yes, he got a bad injury, and yes, he seems like a wonderful fella, but on the pitch he is now a fairly obvious liability.

Minik Hansen
97 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:38:45
Big Dom top scorer, superb.

When it's time for Holgate and Godfrey to guard the back, it will be the “Holy Gate of God”!

Jay Wood

98 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:38:55
Brian @ 78.

'I think, Jay, that what today proved is that that VAR malarkey always favours the teams at the top of the table, fnar fnar!!'

Very droll, Brian, very droll - and sweet!

David Connor
99 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:40:04
Happy with a great battling draw against the red shite. That is a game we would've lost by 3 or 4 in recent seasons after going 2-1 down.

Lucky? Yes. Unlucky? Yes. We had chances to have won the game in Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison; they had a good goal disallowed and 2 great saves from Pickford who was lucky to stay on the pitch after a great challenge on Van Dijk (Not!).

We are starting to build a really good side but we still need that goal-scoring midfielder. As good as Gomes is, he offers absolute zero in terms of goal threat and never will. He needs to be replaced in my opinion as he is too slow.

Richarlison lets the team down again with a rash challenge. Will he ever learn? Maybe not. He needs a massive kick up the arse or it could be time to cash in on him as he can be too much of a liability. Nevertheless, we are still top and unbeaten. 23 games and counting, though. Unreal.

Si Cooper
100 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:46:42
Massive slices of luck went our way today. Hallelujah!

The offside rules out a penalty but I don't think it prevents the ref/ VAR punishing Pickford's reckless challenge. No way VAR should be giving that as an offside; they should really apply some common sense. Not that I'm complaining.

Our midfield needed to engage with their's much more man on man. Alcantara kept making mugs of us with those disguised passes but was afforded far too much time and space. Gomes just seemed to be forever in the wrong place on the pitch which affected him both offensively (resorting to playing straight balls down the flanks) and defensively.

There was some good stuff but the openness of the game was always going to suit them better.

I think Richarlison's red was due to a lot of frustration and some fatigue but he has to keep his discipline.

The result feels like a big bonus and we remain unbeaten. A good week on the training pitch and we can get back on track next game.

Tony Hill
101 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:47:32
Excellent interview from Calvert-Lewin post-match. Disappointed we didn't kick on at 1-1. He's right, we didn't maintain tempo and let them back in. But that's just the attitude we need.

We're top of the table. There can be no complaints about that.

Jerome Shields
102 Posted 17/10/2020 at 15:56:03
I didn't see the full game, but from comments gathered that Gomes was poor and Mina seemed prone to error. Gomes, once pressurised, will lose possession.

This continued with Mina when I joined. Liverpool dominated midfield and attacked at pace. Godfrey looked good and Keane was solid, taking the goal well. Rodriguez found it difficult to get on the ball and Allan was given special attention. Digne was excellent and Calvert-Lewin dominated to get that header in.

I thought that Everton were well-positioned to push on from that, but then came Richarlisons reckless challenge. Everton seemed to be defending too deep when down to 10. Mina's poor clearance eventually allowed Liverpool to find the net. Thank God for VAR, I just went offline after the goal and reverted to the Live forum when I got the good news.

I am glad of the draw. Everton are still in contention. Still have some weak players

Jerome Shields
103 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:00:43
Thought Rodriguez was a bit below par, maybe affected by the international break.
Steve Brown
104 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:00:59
Credit to Liverpool, they came to the league leaders and gave it a really good go.
Brian Williams
105 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:01:00
Well, I placed what I consider to be a reasonable comment in one of "their" threads on the Red Echo website and my phone hasn't stopped bleeping informing me of replies to my comment.

It must have been very popular, though I haven't actually checked the replies.

I added another saying that, rather than feeling angry and hard-done-by, they should be happy with a point away to the league leaders.

I get the distinct feeling they're not.

Dave Ganley
106 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:05:41
Think a bit of karma going on today for all those decisions that have gone against us in the past which are numerous. No we didn't play particularly well but got a draw out of it.

Social media is going apeshit about it with outrage. Well, fuck them. It's about time we got the rub of the green. Hope they choke on their injustice.

Bitter and proud. 🤣

John Boon
107 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:06:57
I just don't care how we get a lucky point. One poorer game against the RS and the critics come out in force.

Let's face it, we have a good basis of a team with room for improvement. We rarely get the breaks, so I will always take good fortune when it comes our way.

Also, both of Liverpool's goals came from unneccesssary mistakes from our defense. Mina makes me anxious every time he gets the ball. For a tall guy, he certainly isn't tough enough.

We also gave the ball away far too easily, particularly Gomes. I thought Doucouré played well and, while Rodrigues was not as outstanding as he has been, he still showed class in avoiding tackles and passing.

As much as I would love to have won, we are still top of the league and will still be after the weekend. Back to our glittering form for our visit to Southamton. This game should give continued confidence. COYB.

Darren Hind
108 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:08:14
Gonna be difficult sleeping tonight knowing the RS feel aggrieved. I just wish I could find the words to console them.

Oh yeah... I've got them: Fuck off!

Tony Abrahams
109 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:10:54
I absolutely hate VAR. I feel the greatest spectator sport has been stolen and is slowly being destroyed because of it.

Crying reds are different though, because they always want it both ways, so surely that was a little tug on Richarlison, just before he headed against the post, and therefore a genuine penalty was robbed off us before all their drama?

I honestly feel cheated though because this is not the game I've always loved. Diving, cheating, players asking for cards, and although I feel sorry for the refs having to put up with all of the above. I also feel we will never get proper consistency, until the refs and the VAR men have to face the media and explain their decisions on a permanent and regular basis.

Colin Battison
110 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:15:48
Jeez, talk about getting two Get Out of Jail Free cards, we got them today.

Even though it was offside, Pickford should have had his marching orders, we got away with that big time. And the goal at the end, like a lot of said, if that's the other way around, we are all fuming beyond belief.

I agree with most comments, Gomes was treading treacle. Even though we carved a few good chances of our own, I'm more than happy with the point and keeps us ticking.

We did look lost at times though and weren't allowed really to play our game. Too many long balls for me and we didn't put their dodgy defence under enough pressure.

There was never going to be a repeat of the Villa debacle, more the opposite. Let's take the point and move on, I'm sure most of us would've taken a point before the game.

Brent Stephens
111 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:16:04
The other lot are, it has to be said, a very good side. I know they had Van Dijk taken off, but Gomes equalled things up - his strong card, passing, was so poor today. And that put us under so much pressure when he ceded possession. Not to mention the fact that he then doesn't defend very well.

I was impressed that we came back from behind – twice. That, for me, shows that we didn't "bottle it", as Barry claims. Add to that the fact that we brought Iwobi on for Doucoure in the last 15 minutes – that suggests Carlo didn't bottle it but was going for it.

And I thought Godfrey slotted well into, for him, an unusual position. He had one moment early on when a controlled and slightly mazy run up the wing hinted at what he might be like bringing the ball out of central defence when we need him there.

Jay Woods
112 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:19:03
Now that the relief of seeing a cruel last-minute defeat turn into a draw has subsided, I'm annoyed that yet again we failed to win a derby. Our failure in this fixture is bordering on the paranormal.
Derek Moore
114 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:19:39
It's 10 years and counting sadly, and they were there for the taking today.

I was delighted with Godfrey, what an intimidating occasion to make your debut, but he was very very solid out there.

If Pickford was a cat, he used eight lives out there. Should have definitely walked for the lunge on Van Dijk, and the fuckwittery to let in the ultimately disallowed third was mind-boggling. Glad it didn't cost us today, but riding Pickford's luck will eventually cost us big time. I'm stunned it wasn't today.

Richarliosn's tackle was dangerous and a defo red, thought he was awful for us today actually. A combination of being jaded and trying too hard, and he'd definitely seen the red mist when he walked.

Anyway, a thrilling derby and nice to rob them of a win for once! My MotM was Michael Keane, I thought he was brilliant for us today.

Top of the table, unbeaten all season, UTFT!

Dave Pritchard
115 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:21:18
Mina should be replaced by Godfrey if Coleman is fit the next match for me.

Gutted for the RS not getting any decisions today.

Hugh Jenkins
116 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:28:32
All sides have "bogey" teams – it is just unfortunate that, at the moment, ours is our local rivals. For years (until Rooney came along) it was Leeds Utd. It will change and hopefully, one day in the not too distant future, we will be the "bogey" team for the RS.
John Pierce
117 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:29:41
I'm happy we showed character, I'm happy we rode our luck, I'm happy that in parts we were their equal. Calvert-Lewin & Richarlison had golden chances.

I never thought we were done when they scored. That's a huge sea change. The reaction of the red fraternity I had round told me they know we are a decent outfit. They were distraught at the end.

James involved in both goals again. Class.

Every game you can see the weaknesses. The goalkeeper and Mina are not good enough. Godfrey was good enough that I didn't even notice him.

Their tears, which I'm bathing in, are indeed salty.

John Keating
118 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:30:24
Difficult to take anything out of that. We were so poor, especially our passing.

I suppose, as Klippety has said, that was their best performance of the season, and for sure that was our worst, escaping with a very lucky draw was, in the end, a good result – in a way!

I did expect the RS to have a reaction to the Villa game and they certainly had that.

As for us, brush it off and move on to the next game.

Charles Brewer
119 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:31:26
I'm looking forward to tomorrow's headlines:

"Everton fail to improve on their position in the table."

"Virgil van Dijk to be canonized after being assaulted by Worst Goalkeeper in History"...

Tony Hill
120 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:32:21
Set aside our loathing for the RS and remember who we were playing. In my view, they're top 2 in the world vying with Bayern. They'd just been twatted in a freak game. We need to be happy.

Agree with all the praise for Godfrey. Did very well indeed in the most demanding circumstances.

Simon Mapstone
121 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:43:48
I understand why people are saying Pickford should have received a red card, but that challenge is one where a millisecond makes a difference. If Van Dijk is a millisecond later to that point on the field due to being onside or even holding his run to be onside, Pickford either doesn't need to make the challenge as the ball runs out of play or he wins the ball.

Milliseconds make a difference and Van Dijk being offside made a difference in this instance.

Colin Malone
122 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:44:17
Tell you what, and I never thought I'd say this: credit to Liverpool – they've come to the league leaders and had a real good go!

They're probably feeling a bit unfortunate not to have picked up all 3 points. But sometimes when you're top you get those decisions.

Paul Johnson
123 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:46:42
I now know what it feels like to be top of the table and get the rub of the green – top of the world, ma, top of the world.

Godfrey looks great.

Pat Kelly
124 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:49:33
We got a point and took two off them. Not a bad day's work.
Robert Williams
125 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:50:22
James Wellford @ 60.

Yes I too had massive problems with BT today. Subscribed to a £25 pm contract this morning and then spent up to 2pm trying to get on.

Eventually managed to cancel my contract AND have my £25 refunded – what a shower!!

George Carroll
126 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:51:54
The outstanding lesson from today is never give up and today that's exactly what the Blues didn't do. Proud of our lads. COYB
Robert Williams
127 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:56:05
Best result we could hope for given the under-performances of some!! However, we have the return leg at Mordor to look forward to and with an improved performance that will see us get a first win in a long time over our beloved RS.

Bring it on – funny how derbies are not quite as threatening as they used to be!!

Stephen Brown
128 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:56:10
Gomes is okay against poorer sides than the RS but I'd have Sigurdsson starting in the future.

Godfrey did very well! Although I'm worried Coleman and Kenny both out leaves no regular right-back.

Michael Keane is starting to look like a proper centre-half!

Richarlison out for 3 games... if Calvert-Lewin gets a knock, we are really short upfront. Will Simms come on the bench next week?

The South Americans looked jet-lagged to me but will get better next week. 7 points from next 3 games and we've got to be contenders?!

Bill Gall
129 Posted 17/10/2020 at 16:57:26
That was a fairly typical derby were a number of Everton players never raised there game to previous ones.

The major point I got from this game was we never let our heads drop after going a goal down but fought back twice. One of the turning points to me was Coleman going off. Although Godfrey played well, I thought Rodriguez never got the support that he receives from Coleman's runs up the line.

Our 3 South Americans seemed off their games and wonder whether it was the travelling? Allan also was not his dominant self and might still be carrying his injury.

Regarding Pickford's tackle, my question is who was supposed to be marking Van Dijk, that he got so free?

Play poor and don't loose against a team that never got their usual obligatory penalty, is better than playing poor and loosing. We are not going to play all season without loosing, so I will take this against a team that is supposed to be the best in Europe, and get my pleasure listening to the whining from those unbiased Liverpool pundits.

Christy Ring
131 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:01:35
VAR worked for us with the offside, but why didn't VAR check Robertson's kick on Allan?

He then went down mimicking an injury, and Richarlison's jersey been pulled, when he headed against the post. The pundits on BT were totally biased.

Richarlison wasn't his busy self today, definitely jaded. Sigurdsson came on for Gomes, and never got a kick.

Peter Mills
133 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:02:46
1. Liverpool were the better team, at times they overwhelmed us. We had too many anonymous players, Mina's clearance for Salah's goal was dreadful, Pickford should have been sent off, we should have put far more pressure on their awful goalie, we got very, very lucky with the VAR.

2. We showed good resilience to come back twice, Van Dijk deserved all he got for coming out all Billy Big Bollocks in the first minute. The VAR was hilarious and was, perhaps, 0.5% payback for the last 50 years, the kopites are fuming. We are top of the League.

I have a choice of which of the above I will take into this evening with a nice bottle of Chianti. I think I'll opt for the second.

Will Mabon
134 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:04:57
2 it is, Pierre.
Jason Li
135 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:07:29
The amount of times in the last 10 years we outplayed them, yet they finished in the Champions League and we missed out.

This time, they did outplay us in the first half. But this season is different as, after this, we'll let this match go, and go on to the next game and keep the momentum hopefully after a blip in the first-half performance.

Whichever way you analyse this game just gone, we score goals and no team can feel at ease against us, even if any team against us has around 70% possession and have 25 shots at us... we score goals.

And that is a great thing we now know in terms of about how our season is going to pan out. We are clinical and always have a chance in any match.

Up the Toffees!

Steve Brown
136 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:15:36
Paul Joyce reporting that Van Dyck and Thiago have gone for scans on suspected knee injuries,
Trevor Peers
137 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:18:31
Pickford critics humiliated. He makes mistakes but overall has a huge winning personally, much the same as Tim Howard.

Gains us a lot of points over the season, no question. Back him to the hilt – he is good for us.

Terry Farrell
138 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:20:09
John K stop being so honest! About time they didn't get the rub of the green! We are building and they are too used to having all the decisions going their way, it makes me sick! Carlo the Don and James is God are turning the tide.
Simon Dalzell
139 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:24:20
It's about time we had a bit of luck. We've been shafted enough times over recent years. Good to get a point in the end, and obviously deny them three. Their inevitable moaning will be music to our ears.

Though vastly improved, the midfield is lacking any pace. Where is Gordon? Gomes was appalling. I struggle to see him being a success. He looks like he's 47 rather than 27, and gives away many free-kicks in dangerous positions as a result. Slothesque.

Frank Crewe
140 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:26:59
I have no sympathy for those who complain about bad luck. We all get bad decisions going against us and Everton have been on the receiving end of some doozies against the reds over the years.

It was blood and thunder. The way derbies are supposed to be. VAR was our friend today. Maybe next time it won't be.

I think we had too many jaded players after the international break. Especially the South America contingent. I thought Gomes was way off the pace after not playing for three weeks and wasn't helping Allan at all. He should have been subbed earlier for Sigurdsson or Delph.

Mina had a very poor game and was responsible for their 2nd goal with that feeble clearance. Richarlison was rightly sent off for that tackle and again looked jaded but I can't blame him for showing fight since that is what fans want from players.

On the positive side, Dom scored again. He leaps higher than a scalded cat. Pickford had a good game and a couple of his saves kept us in it. James was involved in both our goals and with a bit more luck we may have scored a third. Godfrey looked good when he came on. Especially since right-back isn't his prime position.

I think if we had played them before the break, we would have won but we were off the pace today. Not the best result but also not the worst. We are still top of the table and unbeaten and now we have a couple of winnable games coming up and hopefully we will have shaken off the effects of the international break.

Shame Richarlison will be missing but we have good cover in Iwobi, Bernard or Gordon so I'm not too concerned he will be missed that much. All-in-all, we are still on course for a top five or six finish and, since that is what we have set out to do, all is well.

Will Mabon
141 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:30:11
That direct pace from Villa through the middle is what destroyed them, Simon. You're right, we don't have it. Tailor-made for Barkley. I bet Villa will play exactly the same way at Anfield.
Martin Mason
142 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:31:20
I disagree that it was a disappointing performance; I would rate it as one of our best given the circumstances. It was a performance that has rattled the football world.
Will Mabon
143 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:34:37
Martin, I'll take "Rattled" in lieu of the toppling over by a win. Especially since it was probably our least sparkling display of the season so far.
Martin Mason
144 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:37:31
Will, against the best club side in the world with many players flying back from South America midweek and after so many sparkling performances. Now it will be a grind and we may just be up for it?
John Pierce
145 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:39:58
Tbf a retrospective red for Pickford would be a win win for all concerned. Needs a rest that lad. 😜
Mike Oates
146 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:40:49
I think what it showed today that Ancelotti has us on the right track, but our first Top 4 test, showed we ain't anywhere near that level yet. Admittedly we played the No 1 team and it will be interesting how we rebound from it next week at Southampton, particularly as they've just had a great result at Chelsea.

Today was a result we would have never got they way we've played in derbies over the last 5-10 years. We never gave up, had real moments of quality but, for 80% of the time, couldn't cope with Liverpool's speed of passing, movement and inventiveness. Our midfield, particularly 1st half, weren't at the races, Gomes had one of those days when his lack of pace, his lack of speed from a still position meant he was completely overrun. Doucoure also went missing. Our 3 midfield struggled big time vs Henderson, Fabinho and Thiago and with Firminio dropping deep they just passed the way through us with ease.

Our two goals were down to our obvious strength in the air with two great leaps and credit Godfrey, Keane and Digne for defending well but Mina once again showed like Pickford that there's a regular mistake in there.

Richarlison just had a poor game, I think he's been used far too much with virtually 6 games for Everton and Brazil on top – Gordon should have got games in the League Trophy ahead of Richarlison, but hey ho he's got a 3-week break now for his reckless challenge.

Anyway great lucky point and let's hope we can show our talent against Southampton and Newcastle before we face another Top 4 team in Man Utd in 3 weeks.

Jamie Crowley
147 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:42:57
Oh quick thought!

As they attempt to manipulate the system and seize control of the league, preying on the needs of those less fortunate, smaller Clubs, that shower of shit got exactly what they deserve.

Karma is a bitch! Ha!

Ajay Gopal
148 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:46:55
I was actually quite disappointed in the end with James's poor corner – I was fully expecting Mina to rise up and put it in the net for a fairy tale ending, but it was not to be.

How many headed goals have we scored this season? It is quite unbelievable really. Tiny Tim in the studio was really proud of Dom's header for the 2nd equaliser.

Our midfield repeatedly gave away the ball so many times in very promising positions, and Carlo would be very disappointed with that. I actually think Davies should start over Gomes next week, he had a brilliant game against Brighton and he always looks to move the ball ahead with purpose.

Richarlison hasn't really got going this season in terms of turning opportunities into goals. But, by God, that guy's work rate is unbelievable! The stand-out moment for me was when he flicked the ball away from the onrushing Robertson inside the 6-yard box, which would have made a centre-back proud.

Too bad about his red card, but an opportunity for Bernard or Gordon or even Bolasie to show what they have. Iwobi frustrates the hell out of me – he had a good game against Brighton but he was pretty poor today, although he does run around a lot.

Michael Kenrick
149 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:48:02
"It was a performance that has rattled the football world."

Absolute nonsense. If the scoreline said 4-2 – like it should have done – then maybe one or two would sit up and take notice.

But our continuing failure to beat the utter shite, and that we lost our 100% record in the process of a really disappointing performance, means the football word remains distinctly unrattled.

Still very annoyed.

Graham Mockford
150 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:50:19
#149 Mike Oates

In the shell of a nut.

Props to Michael for comment of the season at #35

“Great goal from Calvert-Lewin bit he missed a few as well... as usual, unfortunately.”

What to say?

Paul Birmingham
151 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:54:09
We got the man upstairs to smile down on us today, and it is now history.

History for Everton, in that this fixture proves fate has rarely been kind to us. The RS moaning, well welcome to reality, great to see them so wound up.

Great too see Everton show the character to stick at it and not give up. Incredible luck today, hopefully an omen for this season.

It proved you can't make mistakes as you get punished and, for me today, I thought we were playing with 10 men, as most of the game Andres Gomes was a passenger. It's amazing the change since the infamous game 2 years ago at their place.

I want him to be a success but now I don't see how it will help the team by playing him. It seems the desire and timing has gone and each game he gives away soft free-kicks.

But we had some good chances and so we go again next week at Southampton, always a tough match.

Interesting to see who plays next week, I thought that Godfrey had a god game and he looks like a real all-around player.

So we didn't lose, we didn't play great, but in football that's a good habit to have. Bearing in mind we always seem to play worse after international breaks, today was a very good point.

Oh to hear and see the RS moaning... welcome to the real world and getting VAR go against you, we've had enough VAR, and spawny decisions vs the RS to last a lifetime.

All stay safe and well, and savour this weekend.

John Raftery
152 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:55:37
I think Carlo will be relieved, heartened and concerned: relieved at obtaining a draw from a game in which we were outplayed for long periods; heartened by his team's resilience in fighting back from twice falling behind; concerned about how easily his team were opened up.

The TV screen offers only a limited view but it appeared Allan and Doucouré were over-worked with too much space around them and too often struggling to close down opponents who found it too easy to spray passes into wide positions near our penalty area.

We have conceded two goals in each of three home matches which suggests the manager has yet to find the right balance between attack and defence. He will need to do that if his team is to prevail against the stronger teams.

That said, it is entertaining to watch a team which always seems likely to create chances and score.

Jeff Armstrong
153 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:55:59
Graham, #153, at least most on here have admitted their lack of foresight re Calvert-Lewin, unfortunately some are like the Iron Lady and are not for turning.
Will Mabon
154 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:56:08
I think we'll have to be up for it at Saints, Martin.
Derek Knox
155 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:56:49
On reflection, a good result, given the decisions that went our way for once.

I couldn't fathom the tactics, Carlo is a better tactician than I am, but why give Liverpool room? Gomes was bordering on garbage from the kick-off.

Allan and Doucouré both were way below what we expect of them. I had, like most on previous performance, expected us to win this easily, but just goes to show you never can tell.

Kunal Desai
156 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:58:22
Decisions went for is today. It shows character when you have played that poorly and can still somehow grind out a point against the champions.

We are work in progress. Defensively still suspect. Lots of work to do here. I think we miss Holgate, the sooner he is back the better.

I acknowledge Pickford made a couple of great saves, but it's the bread and butter ones that are proving more costly.

Personally, next summer we need to recruit an accomplished keeper and need to look to move Pickford on, that for me is a priority.

We look a little pedestrian in the wide areas, still think we lack a little pace in these areas turning defence into attack. Another area we address next summer I think.

All-in-all, we can perhaps put this down as a blip and look to kick on again next week at Southampton.

Stan Schofield
157 Posted 17/10/2020 at 17:58:37
Michael @152: Spot on, that performance was very disappointing. We had too many players who on the day were lacklustre, in contrast to games before the international break.

To think that Gomes has totally outclassed the Liverpool midfield in the past, his performance today seems ridiculous in relation to what he's capable of.

If we hadn't suffered this obvious dip in form, particularly in midfield, we would likely have won comfortably.

As usual, a relatively poor performance leads to the usual comments on ToffeeWeb that we're still miles behind Liverpool, when in fact we're not. Liverpool were simply fortunate that we dipped compared with recent performances.

Mike Powell
158 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:00:52
Disappointed with the performance, I thought this was our best chance in a long time to beat them. We were lucky to get a point, happy we did, I don't think we will ever beat them.

They cut through us like a knife through butter. We once again gave them to much respect, the space they had, they looked like scoring everyone they came forward.

Why are people happy with a draw, I want to beat this shower. I hate the derby... I might not watch the one at Anfield, no good for my health.

Ray Roche
159 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:02:27
Let's take stock. We underperform against (apparently) the World Champions 🤣, former European Champions and Premier League Champions.

Yet we're held to a draw and come back twice after going behind. Would we have done that under Silva, Koeman etc.?

Can we take some positives from this?

Will Mabon
160 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:05:44
Jeff, I've always supported Calvert-Lewin, but realism is required. Within his wide and growing armoury is not instinctive finishing with his feet, in contrast to his prowess in the air.

He's become a very, very good player but that area of his game needs improvement for us to really benefit from the chances created by the team. In many games, he rolls a tame one at the keeper. It's merely the truth.

Steve Brown
161 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:15:04
Check the league table, open a beer and relax. :)
Dan Nulty
162 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:16:02
I decided to go for a run, let the dust settle before I gave the game a good think and type it in here.

On reflection, good teams need luck to win the title. We got a shed load of luck today, we will need that to win the title. I think we can do it.

I know Richarlison has had a complete nightmare and we will miss him for 3 games. Unfortunately, they are 3 games when I think he'd do a lot of damage to the opposition. However, it will hopefully give Gordon or Iwobi, maybe even Nkounkou on the left, a chance to impress.

I genuinely think, if we can get through the next 3 games with 7 points, we will be up there at the start of December as our next 3 after that are Fulham, Leeds and Burnley.

December then sees us play Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal and Man City. Come New Year's Day, we will know exactly where we are looking to finish. I'm daring to dream that lady luck will be on our side this season for the first time since she abandoned us in 87-88.

We played poorly but I think, if we'd played them the week after they played Villa, we would have beaten them. Big issue with having half your team South American and playing 36 hours after they return from a 3-game international break the other side of the world.

We can do this.

Chris Hart
163 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:17:19
We were certainly due some luck against them. Nice to see a VAR decision finally go against them.

Tough game away at Southampton next week. Jonjoe Kenny in at right-back, think Sigurdsson should replace Gomes and Iwobi start in Richarlison's absence. Possibly also consider starting Godfrey for Mina.

Will Mabon
164 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:20:34
Whatever the line up next week, important that Allan and Doucouré rediscover their form. Made a big difference today.
Bill Gall
165 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:22:03
Nice one Will # 166 but he seemed to be a different player today than the one who played for us.
Grant Rorrison
166 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:22:13
After years of shocking derby day performances, nice to see that, to a man, they all played their part in getting us a result today.

(I am talking about the officials...)

Robert Tressell
167 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:25:57
This is all part of a learning curve for a developing team. Disappointed to draw. But nothing to suggest a bubble has burst.

We already knew the limitations of these players. We're not perfect, we're not going to win every game. But we're still top, we're still unbeaten.

Calvert-Lewin is still at it. Godfrey looks a player. Gomes will have better days.

Why dwell on the ref, the red card, the VAR? As if we haven't been cheated enough over the years... A little rub of the green is nothing compared to the unfair advantage given to many others.

Next game now, please.

Jeff Armstrong
168 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:36:10
Will 163, we all know Calvert-Lewin's limitations with his shots from 10, 15 yards, he'll never score the Shearer screamers or the Sharp over the shoulder volleys, but why our own supporters keep sniping at his deficiencies is a disgrace.

He's on 10, 11 goals for the season, 60% with his feet, and some can't give the lad due praise without a snide comment about his finishing.

Salah rolled 2 efforts to Pickford today exactly like you describe, every forward forever will miss chances, but it's about the ones that go in that count.

David Pearl
169 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:46:02
Pickford was MotM for me. One world class save and a knee-high out-of-control challenge that forced Van Helsing off the pitch. Now the redshite know how we felt for the last countless number of years with decisions against us.

Hopefully Richarlison can regain his fitness while out. I'd also like to see Sigurdsson start over Gomes next week, he deserves it.

Will Mabon
170 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:48:32
I agree, Jeff – by all accounts he's a great finisher in training, so with continuing work the calmness may come, making him even better. The sniping always happens. I guess every team has a whipping boy among the fanbase, however good the team.

Kunai – pains me to say it but such actions are today widely considered part of a winning mentality.

Will Mabon
171 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:50:41
Brian - I... I... just... can't... say it.
David Pearl
172 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:52:00
Calvert-Lewin may not yet be the complete finisher but there are very few players in the Premier League, maybe the world, that would score that goal today.
Martin Berry
173 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:54:09
I can't criticize any player as we did the best that we could as an evolving team.

The faithful have to realize that there were four new players in that Everton side today and it's remarkable how well they have jelled and got us to the top of the Premier League already.

We will only get better and will have to if we want to aspire to our neighbours, who are going to be hard to stop winning the Premier League again, such is their talent. Hard to stomach but that's how it is.

Will Mabon
174 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:54:36
David - we have Zebedee in our team.
Kevin Prytherch
175 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:56:24
If Liverpool are questioning VAR about Pickfords challenge which, although poor, was a genuine attempt to get the ball and was successful in getting the ball before the player.

Then can we question why VAR didn't intervene when Robertson blatantly kicked Allan off the ball. There was no attempt to get the ball, the ball was nowhere near any of them, so therefore he struck an opponent – which is an instant red card. What Robertson did is equal in the eyes of the law to punching a player but it's not being mentioned.

Trevor Peers
176 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:57:37
When we play the top six teams, we have to give ourselves the best chance of winning. Playing Gomes was a big mistake, Sigurdsson, Bernard or Davies had to be the better option.

They were given the upper hand in midfield and controlled the game. We have to learn to match these high-press teams, fire must meet fire... otherwise, we will lose.

Today, we got lucky, it felt good. Carlo, learn from past Everton trophy winners, choose players who win every ball in midfield. Gomes is a passenger.

Joe McMahon
177 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:59:11
Gomes continues to disappoint on many games. He's also on a high salary, we won't finish top 4 with too many weak links.
Kevin Molloy
178 Posted 17/10/2020 at 18:59:46
I think it's important to make sure the reds don't dominate the narrative on this.

Okay, somebody could, maybe should have been sent off. Like, how many times can you say that about a Also, the VAR, whilst gutting for them, I'm sure the decision is not a 'mistake'. They will have followed their protocols, lined it up, and adjudged him offside according to their technology. Frustrating for them, but not 'lucky' for us. It was offside, that's it.

I thought we were the better side 2nd half, they definitely scored against the run of play and we were superb in getting it back again. The one crazy moment was the Richarlison red card. Maybe something happened before that we don't know about, he's never done something like that before.

Almost as bad though, was Van Dijk's deeply cynical foul on James in the first minute. He went out to put him out the game. Gobshite.

Stephen Brown
179 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:02:20
Van Dijk out for 8 months with ACL!!

Pickford will be a Hall of Fame contender now...

Christy Ring
180 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:04:54
Let's be honest, as some say, we didn't play well today. Our midfield was struggling, but we still came back twice to draw. Isn't it great, we got a result against the redshite playing badly.

Richarlison looked jaded today, the break will do him no harm, but I would have preferred one game, not three.

How excellent was Keane today? I'd start Davies next week, we lacked pace in midfield today.

Tommy Carter
181 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:06:43
@182 Kevin

The level of bias towards Klopp's Liverpool in the media is tangible. Today from BT Sport it was off the scale.

The Robertson incident, they didn't even replay it from what I can recall. Each pundit obsessed over the Pickford incident. But there was little mention of how Van Dijk set the tone of crippling players early doors.

The Dutch centre-back towers above Pickford and I'm sure Pickford had in the back of his mind those two factors when he went for the ball. (This guy is huge and he's throwing his weight about.)

Regardless, it was mistimed, reckless and quite poor. No card given, so move on.

The decisions helped us out a great deal. I'm finally willing to put to rest the 2007 Goodison derby. Hibbert red, Kuyt Kung-fu and Lescott penalty. If people thought today was ridiculous, then they should watch that game again.

A point at home to the champions when we really didn't play well.

Paul Hewitt
182 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:07:54
See the rs have put a complaint into the Premier League about the disallowed goal, and Pickford's tackle. What a horrible club.
Will Mabon
183 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:10:43
Not forgetting Gerrard's input over the seasons, Tommy.
Jeff Armstrong
184 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:12:07
I really think Bolasie would be a better 15 minute sub than Iwobi, him and Sigurdsson offered nothing when they came on, Carlo needs to mix it up a bit in the coming weeks...

Richarlison out, Gomes out of form, Mina not great today, no fit right back, no back-up forward.

Interesting couple of weeks for the manager.

Michael Williams
185 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:13:02
NBC says "reports are that Virgil van Dijk suffered an ACL injury – out eight months."
Hugh Jenkins
186 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:18:11
Brian (175) - is that correct?

Everyone else - don't over sympathise with the rs - remember this in 2002 - not even a red card


Nicholas Ryan
187 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:25:31
Don't wish to appear disloyal, but, if that's offside, I'm a Dutchman.
Kieran Kinsella
188 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:26:20
People saying we've too many weak links to finish in the top four are blinkered. Have you seen Chelsea's defense? Have you watched Man Utd? Did you see Moyes's West Ham hammer Leicester?

Yeah, we are by no means a shoo-in but it looks pretty open this season and we've as good a shot as anyone.

Mo Guindi
189 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:28:00
Just been giving and taking banter on the McNulty (Kopite) report on the Beeb site. I actually enjoyed the result more than any potential hammering.

Talk about being bitter blues! Amazing sense of entitlement when decisions don't go their way!! Would our fans have helped??

Stan Schofield
191 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:28:40
If Van Dijk hadn't started the game trying to go for players rather than the ball, the whole course of the game would have been different, the particular incident between Pickford and Van Dijk wouldn't have happened, and in all (extremely high) probability, Van Dijk wouldn't have that particular injury.

I think that's called Karma.

Jeff Armstrong
192 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:30:26
With Van Dijk out for the season and Gomez and Matip as their defensive pairing, then that's the league gone for them twats.
Robert Tressell
193 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:30:34
I doubt Liverpool fans ever felt lucky in derbies. They feel entitled. Memorable things from the game:

- Van Dijk getting his just deserts for going round trying to get our players injured

- Iwobi taking the piss with some tekkers;

- Calvert-Lewin scoring an outstanding header;

- Pickford having a good game - and Adrian flapping (Pickford would have been slaughtered for letting in the Keane header);

- Rodriguez being outrageously skillful;

- the team not losing its shit when we go a goal down.

Tony Abrahams
194 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:32:58
Is that genuine Paul@189? I agree with John P, let Pickford get a little ban because it might help the lad, and then let’s look at all the penalties Michael Oliver has awarded so far this season, and ask a few questions ourselves.
Pekka Harvilahti
195 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:35:12
Why the sad face? A good result against one of the best teams on the planet, They might have won it but so could we. Gomes was our weak link and should have been substituted long before. Sigurdsson was not ready for that tempo. Godfrey did well, he will be some player if used well.
Sean Kelly
196 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:38:36
Who cares what them horrible red cunts are moaning about. It's karma folks. They got away with snidey tackles and diving for penalties for years.

Karma feels great. We didn't play too well but we are still unbeaten. In Carlo I trust. COYB.

Jeff Armstrong
197 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:41:25
Put a complaint in, so what,...what does that mean? Does the VAR decision get reversed? No... Does Pickford get a retro red? ... No.

They also tried to completely change the landscape of English football this week, that went well too, didn't it!


Tony Hill
198 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:44:52
The arrogant, greedy bastards have just tried to fuck up the whole of English football and they have the neck to whinge about a tackle and an offside. The RS for you.
Patrick McFarlane
199 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:46:18
I never want any player from any club to suffer an injury when they have been involved in a game against Everton, but was Pickford's challenge that reckless? Wasn't it just a mis-timed challenge?

According to The Athletic the incident WAS reviewed at the time and the conclusion was that no further action was required. I'm certain that Pickford will be retrospectively punished but to me that would be utterly wrong and won't do Everton any good despite those who want Jordan out of the team.

As for the media they'll be advocating that Everton get docked 13 points and give them over to their favourites. The truth is that our neighbours go out to disrupt and hurt their opponents nearly every match - why? because they are 'winners' and mainly because they don't get scrutinised in the same way as Everton or other less favoured clubs do.

I feel sorry for any of their players that have been injured but not for the club that has not one iota of class or dignity because it believes it deserves every decision that goes its way and woe betide anyone or anything that prevents them winning any given game.

We won't win the title, we may not even end up in the top six, but at least we know how to take disapointment on the chin, hopefully one day soon we'll show them how to win with class and humility.

Chris Leyland
200 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:52:13
Let’s put in a complaint about VAR not reviewing Mane’s trip on Mina seconds before the Richarlison’s sending off. Mane was already on a yellow so, if the ref or VAR had bothered looking at it rather than ignoring it, he’d have been sent off. As a result, it would mean the offside one they’ve complained about wouldn’t have happened. Surely they want VAR to be consistently applied?

There’s a video of his deliberate trip half way down this article:


Brian Williams
201 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:52:18
Despite the fact you (mostly) don't want to see a player injured and unable to play for a while "them lot" would have been cheering and sabre rattling like fuck when Van Dijk steamed into Rodrigues and Calvert-Lewin early on in the game, IMO, to hurt them just like he hurt Mason Holgate a few derbies ago.

"They" wouldn't lose any sleep over one of our major players being out injured. When you're a bully and you try to bully opposition players, sooner or later, you're gonna come unstuck.

Don't tut tut Pickford, don't decry him either. Van Dijk was big enough to dish it out, he should be big enough to accept that he's gonna get it back.

Difference between him and Pickford is that he's very clever in the dark art of fouling to hurt and Pickford is just a nutcase! I can't have much sympathy for someone who regularly tries to hurt others (which I firmly believe Van Dijk has done against us) when his actions come back to bite him in the arse.

That may make me a bad person but, to be honest, in this instance, I couldn't give a fuck. Sorry.

Jeff Armstrong
202 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:53:21
Nicholas 194, is that an injured Dutchman?
Alan McGuffog
203 Posted 17/10/2020 at 19:56:29
Is it a positive vs negative thing? If you adore Liverpool (as do all the sports media) then, ergo, you must hate Everton (the sports media).

I made a mistake of listening to those giants of punditry, Savage and Sutton, on 606. Started with a truly inarticulate bluenose who was pleased 'Dick' (as he called him) van Dijk got clobbered. Followed by Mr Reasonable... a philosophical kopite... who accepted that things went in a circle, blah, blah.

So our team is a bunch of thugs and our fans knuckle scrapers in the eyes of the BBC.

Sod em!

Robert Tressell
204 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:01:18
Too right, Chris Leyland – and Robertson should have been sent off too. And how many points would these shitheads have dropped last season without referee bias?
Julian Exshaw
205 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:03:45
Okay, so their goal was onside and Pickford should have been shown a red. Boo bloody hoo!

I'm just about old enough to remember Bryan Hamilton's wrongly disallowed goal in the FA Cup semi-final in 1977, a day which began a litany of injustice we have suffered at the hands of that club.

So for once, I salute the presence of VAR and the inconsistencies of referees, for today they finally acted in our favour.

Will Mabon
206 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:09:16
I watched Richarlison's tackle in your link, Chris. It didn't look so bad, he bent both legs back to not follow through, which I hadn't spotted at the time. He did arrive on scene pretty feisty but not the worst I've seen, by a mile.
Mike Hughes
207 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:16:15
Listened to the match and, after Van Dijk went in hard twice in the first 5 mins, he got what he deserved. As someone above described him “Billy Big Bollocks” indeed. Like the RS fans, good at giving it out – but can't take it.

We'd have taken it and crumbled in the past. Not today. They got it back in double helpings. At least that's my take.

I'm not condoning foul play or injuries to players but, given what we've taken over the years, screw them.

Now listening to Savage and Shearer acting like a pair of crusty, old dear agony aunts at our nasty attitude.

It's making the first of my Harper's Golden Ales taste very nice indeed. A win is long over-due but I think a last-minute VAR- assisted winner for us at Anfield will taste even sweeter later in the season.

Not our best performance but my glass is half full (not for long, hic!) so I'll take the positives.

Here's to VAR!
Top of the table!

Chris Leyland
208 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:18:59
Yes Will the tackle by Richarilson doesn't actually look as bad as made out but it was the sole focus of the VAR review, rather than Mane's deliberate trip on Mina, which was a yellow card offence and so a second yellow for Mane. The first clip shows the Mane trip whereas the second clip shows Richarlison.
Gerry Morrison
209 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:22:59
Brian. If you are a bad person, I must be wicked, because, the longer he is out, the better for me.
Kevin Molloy
210 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:24:53
"Horrible Everton trying to kick their illustrious neighbours off the park" is I think the take we will see tomorrow. And it's complete garbage.

Bad tackle though it was, Jordan had no intention to hurt anyone. Richi's rush of blood occurred in the final minute, before then the only horrible act I saw was Van Dijk on James, minute 1.

And given that it was offside (them's the rules baby), they can stick their sense of injustice right in their hat.

Mike Gwyer
212 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:29:56


Love it when you hear them kick about like babies.

When Suarez took out Mirallas, the media did not give a shit, so what goes around comes around.

Van Dijk was putting it about like the total twat and for me he had it coming. There was no intent from Pickford, he just knew that he would need to go in hard and he did.

Brian Williams
213 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:35:50
I don't know how some news services got the story that Van Dijk has done his ACL before he'd even left the hospital.

Conjecture? Sensationalism? Let's see what the prognosis is officially.

Ian Edwards
214 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:38:40
Pickford made a couple of decent saves today but cocked up badly twice and got away with it. He should be dropped.

Rest of the team put a shift in. Gomes is a serious weak link. I've never rated him. He gave the ball away far too much today.

What is of huge concern is the failure to sign another forward. There was no forward on the bench. If Calvert-Lewin gets injured then we are screwed.

Patrick McFarlane
215 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:39:02
Brian #220,

A cynic might believe that to make the injury seem worse than it actually might be would result in Pickford being more likely to receive retrospective punishment? I hope it isn't as bad as has been reported but I also hope that the dark arts aren't being employed either.

Will Mabon
216 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:40:16
Brian - dripped in from the Anfield PR section to stir up the shit ASAP, obviously.
Allan Board
217 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:43:54
Oh the outrage from all in the Devils Corner! Always the victims eh? I wonder what its really like in the heads of these whingers, they all seem like petulant, entitled, arrogant children.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the respectful and intellectual Mr Ancelloti will move onto the next game and work on beating Southampton, this game is of course now the most important on the agenda.

A touch of class and humility for all things Everton, we are fortunate indeed to have him.

Dave Abrahams
218 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:44:47
Any Red that moans to me about the decisions in today's game will receive silence from me, just a smug self-satisfied smile, that's what I've had off them for years when I've pointed out the many lousy decisions we've had against them, and also the many, many favourable VARs going their way against plenty of teams.

They called us the bitters, having a good go at being the bitters themselves today, and for the next few weeks.

Paul Tran
219 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:44:52
Shame we didn't win, or play like Brazil at their best. For me, today was very important.

I watched us regularly in the mid-80s. If you watch the YouTube highlights or Twitter clips you'd be forgiven for thinking we were majestic in every game. We weren't. We often had to dig in, we'd be off the pace and then make something happen. We ground out so many wins. I sometimes wonder what ToffeeWeb would have been like on various occasions in that era.

We weren't at our best today, playing the champions who looked very impressive. We dug in, worked hard, equalised twice, hit the post. Yet we got a draw.

We won't play well every week. But we can can go toe to toe, show some resilience and drag out a scruffy result against a good side.

I loved being the side other fans grumbled about, the side about which people asked 'how did they get a result there?'

Thats what I liked about today. It augurs well for the rest of the season.

Anthony Murphy
220 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:47:57
Van Dijk out for 8 months + media outrage = Pickford retrospectively punished regardless if rules allow it or not – absolute nap.
Tony Hill
221 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:48:51
They're all over social and mainstream media piously assuming the moral high ground, aided by their numerous fan boys.

None can do sanctimonious indignation like the gobshites. Sentimental and poisonous.

When it's one of them, they put his name on their shirts.

Bill Gienapp
222 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:51:14
RS fans having a meltdown on Twitter, trying to claim we're a dirty, classless club... but they seem to forget that WE HAVE ALL THE RECEIPTS.

Quite sweet to see the insufferable whingers shut down by screenshot after screenshot of dirty tackles committed by their players over the years.

John Skelly
223 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:51:17
Look everyone, they came to knock us off the top spot and failed. Onwards and upwards... more kudos to us.
Peter Neilson
224 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:51:42
No doubt they’ve started their latest covert operation, Project Ban Pickford.
Bill Gall
225 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:54:39
I am not going to blame Pickford for the tackle on Van Dijk. The only Everton player near their most dangerous player from corners and free-kicks was Digne and he was goal side. The free-kick came over Digne's head and Pickford believed he could get to it to kick it out of touch. I don't think he intended a malicious tackle, it was mistimed and it is only being highlighted because of Van Dijk's injury.

Even though we didn't play as well as other games, it was still an improvement from the end of last season. We are not going to go all season without a defeat, so maybe having a couple of injuries and a suspension early in the season, it will see how well we will do with the backups.

The biggest change in the game today was the loss of Coleman, the new boy Godfrey done well, but as Rodriguez doesn't come back to help often, we missed Coleman's raids down the wing to assist.

We have solved some of the problems from last season but it will still need more improving, and as we are still not beaten in 8 games and top of the league, and after fighting back twice today, it shows me we have a better fighting spirit.

Graham Mockford
226 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:58:10
Mike #219,

Maybe my memory is failing me but didn't Mirallas take out Suarez?

Will Mabon
227 Posted 17/10/2020 at 20:58:49
Paul, we didn't always dazzle in the 80s but we were a coherent refined football team, with the right players in the right places. Was great to see.

Tony - if anyone wants to see supporting media bullshit, I'd recommend MotD later.

Will Mabon
228 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:00:54
Bill - I don't do social media but that sounds very satisfying.
Brian Williams
230 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:02:23
Graham #233,

Your memory is failing you. Suarez raked the back of Mirallas's Achilles and put him out for months.

Mirallas put a crunching tackle (a foul) in on Suarez in the next derby they both played in. Suarez carried on the match, if my memory serves me right.

Paul Tran
231 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:05:24

Suarez raked his studs down Mirallas's Achilles on a day when Kevin was having a stormer. They don't like it up 'em. Even less when we do it. About time.

And let's stop all the whinging about 'the biased media'. Stuff them. I don't care what they think. I loved it when we were top of the league, getting grudging praise, being told it wouldn't last.

And I'm loving it now.

Paul Tran
232 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:07:37
It was refined, Will, but every one of those players was prepared to mix it and leave a foot in for the cause. They used to call it 'earning the right to play'.
Brian Wilkinson
233 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:21:30
If memory serves me right, Suerez put Mirallas out of the game with a very bad tackle, then in the second half the player you are talking about was Distin who had his Achilles raked by Suerez.

Mirallas did indeed get his own back on Suerez either the season or two afterwards.

Keith Monaghan
234 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:29:01
To Calvert-Lewin's critics, get off his case – he's great.

Gomes is a weak link in games played at that pace; with hindsight, Davies may have been a better option.

Richarlison had an off day – he is normally our hardest working player by some distance; tiredness & travel kicked in, me thinks.

Keane & Digne very good.

Godfrey & Holgate, when fit, will both be ahead of Mina. Until Seamus, Kenny or Holgate is fit, Godfrey will play RB.

Little sympathy with Van Dijk – Pickford didn't intend to hurt him, but Van Dijk & Co tried early on to rough-house Rodriguez out of the game.

Richarlison was daft – probably deserved red – so did Robertson as per the rules – where was VAR? And the tug-back on Richarliosn when he hit the post.

We were lucky – long overdue! – overall, but still had other good chances to score. It starts to make up for the many injustices & bad decisions we've suffered against them.

We're a decent team but there's still room for improvement – top 6 looks very possible, top 4 not out of reach.

Gordon to fill in for Richarlison, maybe Bernard?

Brian Williams
235 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:29:46
So it turns out that the rs haven't even had the results on Van Dijk's injury yet so the "out for the season" headlines are the usual sensationalist media bullshit and guesswork.
Michael Lynch
236 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:40:52
Van Dijk was smug as fuck after starting the game with two snidey fouls on our lads. "That'll rattle them," he thought, "I'm the fucking boss here".

He wasn't so smug when he limped off 10 minutes later.

I'd never wish an injury on any player, but karma is a bitch.

Will Mabon
237 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:44:59
I meant refined in all senses, Paul – including the physical when needed. A well-oiled machine indeed. You're right, earned the right back then, the whole squad. Still one of the best teams I've seen, whether I support them or not.
Kevin Molloy
238 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:45:36
One shouldn't post links but this is gold, pure gold:

Bill Watson
239 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:46:10
Gomes appears to have lost what little pace he had, before his horrendous injury, and constantly loses the ball and then concedes fouls trying to retrieve it.

He was struggling so badly I'm surprised he was left on for 70 minutes. Very disappointing as he, initially, looked an outstanding buy and absolutely bossed the midfield in the Pickford derby.

Dave Abrahams
240 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:46:37
Brian (240), I'm with you on this injury situation, had to before after the Real Madrid final, the one they lost.

After the game, Klopp, talking about Salam's injury, he said “It doesn't look good”, same as he's saying about these two injuries today, let's wait and see how they turn out, I hope the two of them are okay. Klopp cries wolf quite a lot.

Phil Greenough
241 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:47:34
Why can't Everton complain to the FA about the VAR omissions we suffered today?
Kevin Molloy
242 Posted 17/10/2020 at 21:52:35
When you say the Pickford derby, Bill, can you be a bit more specific to narrow it down?
Bill Watson
243 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:03:46
Kevin #245,

The Anfield one... and no more clues!!

Kevin Molloy
245 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:05:18
Bill, yes, I think from now on we will need to refer to the Pickford Anfield derby and the Pickford Goodison derby. Let's hope he doesn't add any more to the list.
Paul Tran
246 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:06:49
They were marvellous, Will. Relentless, skillful & marvellous. If we ever have a better team, I can't wait to see it.
Tony Abrahams
247 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:09:23
They can have the sycophantic media, VAR, definitely robbed them of a winning goal, but Oliver has been giving penalties for some very minor infringements since the season started, so why not one for Arnold’s tug on Richarlison today?

Stand up to the bully, and they go running to the league with complaints. Retrospectively banning Pickford, will obviously result in something similar for Mane?

That phoney-Klopp, said it’s our World Cup, but it’s Liverpool FC, who are carrying on like the worlds just ended tonight!

Good teams get a result when they don’t play so well, and for a relatively new team like Everton, who haven’t trained as a proper unit for two weeks, lost their captain after 20 minutes, and fielded four players with less than twenty games in a blue shirt between them, then they didn’t half fight, to stay in the game.

We were possibly on top when Salah made it 2-1, and this might have sunk a lot of lesser players, but Pickford pulled off a worldly, and then Lewin finished off a great move, so credit for the boys in blue for their spirit today, the song is rubbing off!

John Kavanagh
248 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:13:37
Yep, the Shite PR machine and their media hacks have gone into overdrive, with demands that the VAR decisions be reviewed, as reported by the BBC and others. By Tuesday Pickford will be getting arraigned by the Hague for war crimes and their 'goal' will be restored upholding RS accusations that VAR 'Bends the Lines' against them.

I wasn't aware that there was the facility to demand individual VAR decisions be reviewed retrospectively – but wait – this is the RS and they demand different rules be applied for them. A taster of what Big Picture has in store if it is allowed to succeed via Gary Neville's Plan B 'independent' replacement of the FA.

Strange that not one of them picked up Van Dijk's deliberate attempts to injure our players from the kick-off, Mane's deliberate trip and simulation or Robertson's carefully aimed full-blooded Kung Fu kick to try and smash Allan's knee off the ball.

Fuck them and their media arse lickers.

Anthony Murphy
249 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:22:37
MotD coming up. Brace yourselves.
Paul Birmingham
251 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:25:49
Savour the day, we are top, scrapped a draw, but importantly got the luck which has consistently deserted us over decades versus this lot.

Christ knows, the Don Hutch, goal, when SW, made a hash, but the aka Geoff Nulty, Jimmy Case tackle in 1980, Gary Naismith got done in 2002, Kuyt, Mark Lawrenson's dodgy tackles, etc – you can write a book on the numerous bad decisions we've faced against them.

The BBC need to take stock of their so-called football experts, as not many were truly good players nor outstanding, but are so tunnel-visioned. Fuck them, we can ride the storms that will prevail and come out stronger.

Let's transcend any negativity from today and use it as a driver to do a special at St Mary's.

The RS, need to grow up and face the other side of the coin. Hopefully today the fortune cookie hoodoo they've held over us with spawny decisions is broken.

I hope they don't do any stunts this next week, with their paint gangs.

All enjoy this day!

Christy Ring
252 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:28:11
Typical pundits and media. Pickford did what any keeper would do, nothing intentional.

Van Dijk going through James and Calvert-Lewin, not a word, Mane diving all day, and, as Chris #203 said, Mane should have got a 2nd yellow, Robertson should have got red.

Richarlison's jersey being pulled before he hit the post, not a word about it! As for BT today, McManaman totally biased, and Keown wouldn't even defend his former club (maybe he's bitter since Sheedy hit him a box).

I didn't think the redshite could go any lower than they were, but complaining to Premier League... sad club.

Mike Price
253 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:29:03
If it's true that Van Dijk is out for a long time, my massive dislike of JH will be massively tempered and go some way to countering the hideous Origi incident.
Brian Williams
254 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:49:20
Brent Stephens
255 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:52:58
Paul Birmingham
256 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:56:34
Spot on, John@250, the RS, only hear and see what suits, their agenda's, both on the park and off.

Shallow, and no style and no class.

MotD only shows, and focus's on the incidents that impacted the RS.

That programme, and the BBC, is in decline, and is well past an over view and needs a remake.

But let's use the negative, to be our positive! Fuck the press, the RS Echo – siege mentality, and EFC will adapt, endure and grow in stature this season.

Colin Battison
257 Posted 17/10/2020 at 22:59:19
We were second best for most of the game today. We went behind twice and still came back. Come on blue boys, very proud today, about time we got the rub of the green. God knows how many times it's gone against us in the past.

Mr Dick van Dyke put 2 bad challenges in to our boys in the first 5 minutes, nobody talking about that in the media. Bitter, twisted, that's all I can say. We deserved that for sticking in there. In previous games against them we would have crumbled but not today.

Anyway it's gone, I will take the point, let's get back on it next against the Saints. 3 points there and we are marching again.
Mike Price
258 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:00:02
I meant JP but I hate JH as well.
Paul Birmingham
259 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:11:05
The RS, Old Nick, Spawny cunts. In summary of this week, in football terms.

They are taking the high moral on trying to recultivate the gravy chain, along with Man Utd, in the Premier League.

Forget the spirit of the Football League, trying to achieve a payoff scheme, and create an elitist plan that in theory, would run the game to a destruction. They don't know their history and ethics of football and business and don't have any class.

Six months ago, they were jibbing their own staff... when Covid-19 kicked off, and took a grip.

Enjoy this weekend, and savour what has been achieved.

There's loads of improvements to be done but, considering this time last year, it's been a bumpy road but I believe Everton is on the right course and progressing in the right direction.

Let's go for the win at Southampton, it's a game Everton can win.

Soren Moyer
261 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:16:05
I remember Geoginho's horror two footed tackle on Sigurdsson with studs showing at the Stamford Bridge a couple of years ago. He wasn't shown any cards for that so I struggle to see why Richarlison's challenge ended up with a red to him!!!! Wasn't nearly as bad as the Chelsea player's!!!!!
Paul Kernot
262 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:16:39
I've read most of the posts above and seen many references to how individuals played but, for me, Digne was brilliant. Particularly in the first half, for a shortish guy, his defensive heading in particular, fitness and willingness to chase down the line deep into the game is superb.
Bill Watson
263 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:19:14
I'm sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for Virgil van Dijk. In the first few minutes, he cynically attempted to take out James and, I think, Calvert-Lewin.

There's no confirmation that it's a serious injury; at the moment, it's just Klopp stirring the pot. I don't usually wish serious injury on any player but the RS have form injuring our players so I'll make an exception in this case!

Stan Schofield
264 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:26:52
Looking at the Pickford - Van Dijk interaction in slow motion, they both go for the ball, either could have come out of it with an injury, but Van Dijk was simply unlucky. When two players go for a ball, shit happens. It's happened to us repeatedly, often with broken limbs, but the media are usually quiet about it.

LFC simply need to grow up and stop behaving like spoilt dysfunctional children, especially after they've been guilty of repeated cynical actions on opposing players.

Oliver Molloy
266 Posted 17/10/2020 at 23:50:52
If only Rodriquez had delivered his usual perfect free-kick at the very end, we could have had the perfect ending!

Fuck them!

Geoff Cadman
267 Posted 17/10/2020 at 00:01:25
As many have said, welcome to our world.

Regarding the Mane offside he moves from an offside position as Thiago is receiving the ball, who then passes directly to him: is this not offside, even if he is behind the line or not?

Regarding Pickford, it was a rash, ill-timed tackle for a fifty-fifty ball, he scissors Van Dijk's leg with his legs – a penalty if no previous offside but not a red card.

Mike Price
268 Posted 17/10/2020 at 00:04:41
Just read a bit bit from RAWK, they are apoplectic. We are yard dog thugs, they even listed a few previous rough tackles from previous derbies, but not a word of balance from that filthy, vile, cesspit of a club about any of their previous misdeeds.

We all know they go far beyond a Stevie G two-footed lunge!... Outraged at everything, ashamed of nothing.

Steve Shave
269 Posted 18/10/2020 at 00:08:14
Kevin 240, thanks so much for posting that, made my day. ;)
Ernie Baywood
270 Posted 18/10/2020 at 00:11:08
Waking up after the night before (in Melbourne).

Overriding feeling is relief. Feels like the curse has been lifted. Would have been nice to do it with a win but I'll take a draw in the circumstances.

We can get a bit if luck and a few decisions against that lot. We can play poorly and not lose. We can spend the few days after a derby quietly chuckling as our Red friends' heads fall off.

Can't wait to go to their place now. Finally we're on an equal footing.

Ian Riley
271 Posted 18/10/2020 at 00:54:05
Good result but we have to get going from the kickoff. Liverpool should have been 2 or 3 up by the time the snooze button went off. The work rate was not there as it has been. I'm putting that down to the international break. Even being below par, we played well in parts and looked a threat on the attack.

Nice to know another club feel hard done by. We have suffered that for years. Everton being top doesn't sit well, apparently. Looks good from here. On to the next chapter!!

Jason Wilkinson
272 Posted 18/10/2020 at 01:06:59
Unfair result today. VAR came to our rescue. I do find it strange how LFC could bring two players back into their ranks having tested positive for Covid19. Did they really have the deadly disease? My thoughts are that Klopp left them out against Villa to keep them fresh for the derby and ensure they wouldn't be called up for international duty. It backfired at Villa. They were much better today and created everything down the left hand side.
We must improve defensively on our right. We need to be more aware when we lose the ball that James is not going to track back. A big test awaits next week away to Saints who will be buoyed by the draw against Chelsea. Three points there and we can really kick on and open a gap at the top of the table. COYB.
Phil Wood
273 Posted 18/10/2020 at 01:33:44
Great result that looked in doubt all game.
Settle for that. Looked second best for long stretches.
Any chance Gordon will get a look in for the next game. Forgotten player since questioning Carlo. He and Nkoukou look great prospects. Thought Godfrey looks pretty good too.
Graham Lloyd
274 Posted 18/10/2020 at 01:49:14
Kevin @240. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you! PMSL
Reuvy Havin
275 Posted 18/10/2020 at 02:07:06
Gylfi was nowhere but that's what happens when you play him in a line of four, especially with no Decoure to be the roadrunner. If Ancelotti was going to take Decoure off, which was fair enough, he needed to get some speed into the midfield; I agree with Bolasie or maybe even Iwobi going in the centre.
Ernie Baywood
276 Posted 18/10/2020 at 02:39:03
I'm still not buying this VAR complaint. It wasn't like Mane was breaking through and got caught millimetres offside. He was trying to get back from an offside position and never quite got there.

If you freeze that frame as the ball is kicked instead of afterwards (as they did) then he's probably a body width off. I called it offside in real time. VAR has been very tight recently using that approach (when the striker is running through) but this version gave Mane every single millimetre possible to be called onside - and he still wasn't. Objectively he was offside.

Pre VAR, the flag probably goes up and the game is stopped there and then with no controversy.

Bill Watson
277 Posted 18/10/2020 at 02:57:15
Phil #275

Has Gordon had a fall out with Carlo?

Andrew Keatley
278 Posted 18/10/2020 at 03:13:32
League table makes for very good reading. Unbeaten (one of only 2 teams). Very healthy goal difference. Putting aside the recent derby history and the hopes for that elusive victory, a point today ended up feeling like a very good one.

In terms of the VVD injury, I hope it's not a bad one - and not because of any potential repercussions for Pickford. Unlike others on here, I don't think Van Dijk's challenges today on James and DCL were anything other than robust, and they are exactly the sort of challenges we'd be defending if they'd been made by Keane or Mina. I don't think wishing serious injury on any footballer is a particularly good look, and celebrating it even less so. I hope to see VVD back playing for Liverpool very soon - and I sincerely hope that his team loses.

John Pierce
279 Posted 18/10/2020 at 03:17:43
We didn’t play well. But they didn’t allow us time and space. Much like we stopped Spurs, they pretty much pressed us into submission.

The difference is James. One swing of that left boot can change any game at any level.

We found two spells when their intensity relented. At 1-1 both Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison had golden chances.

However we never shrank from our task, we’re fully committed and even though several players dipped the effort was there. Richarlison the case in point, his challenge underlined by a poor game laced with frustration.

The one huge concern is Pickford, we can all say well done for 2/3 very decent saves but he should have been sent off and his effort at the death Henderson’s attempt was extremely poor.

He needs to be dropped and made to realize, he simply cannot be that error prone. I will be disappointed if he starts at Southampton.

The bottom line is we can live with better teams and hang in there. Godfrey was so adaptable I didn’t even notice him. Mina still gives me the hebbie-gebbies.

Jamal Paktongko
280 Posted 18/10/2020 at 05:23:32
Since Pickford didnt get sent off it means he did hiz job superbly.

He made 2 excellent saves. He sent Van Dijk to be on the mends for a good couple.of weeks.

The two goals was not his fault. The first was the defenders for allowing Mane to cross.

The second is Mina's.

For my money, Mina doesnt cut the mustard anymore. Time we replaced him

Wished we had brought over Duffy instead of Celtic. He is a much better CB than Mina.

I think Mina needs on the sideline for a few months on the count of his injury that hasn't really healed.

And I reiterate.


Also please bring Jack Wilshere to Goodison. He is free now and we probably can sign him for a song

Tim Constable
281 Posted 18/10/2020 at 06:59:51
Just had a little look at a red fan site. very amusing, every allegation being levelled at us including Carlo who in the view of one 'supporter' is responsible for everything that happened yesterday. Oh and apparently the media were desperate for an Everton win!

They do have short memories, however that may be because most have only been following Liverpool for the last 18 months since defecting from City.

Steve Shave
282 Posted 18/10/2020 at 07:08:21
Jamal 282 once again your strange posts make me question If you are a troll on this site?
Mike Gaynes
283 Posted 18/10/2020 at 07:25:41
Steve, we need to be welcoming of viewpoints from other planets in the solar system.
Steve Brown
284 Posted 18/10/2020 at 07:46:16
Kevin @ 240, that is magnificent!
Gerry Ring
285 Posted 18/10/2020 at 08:00:13
I agree with Bill #227. Coleman was left to defend against 2 attackers yesterday. If you look at their 1st goal, Mané was free as was Robertson. Seamus was attempting to mark both & was caught between two “red stools”. I’ve no doubt also, that the international break sapped the legs out of our South American’s in particular, all of whom struggled a little, compared to their recent performances. In relation to the final result, I’m thinking it’s karma for Brian Hamilton’s perfect disallowed goal all those years ago😂
John Atkins
286 Posted 18/10/2020 at 08:02:05
Well well well, reading all the social media reports including Twitter from all the RS fans we don’t seem to be that small irrelevant club now do we !

They are absolutely seething, frothing at the mouth with their hatred and venom for us and asking for Karma (how ironic)

Well guess what ? Welcome to our fucking world

They know we have some real quality players and a top Manager with a team who will now get stuck in and fight and not lie down as we have done for so many years

That’s what’s also getting to them, we’re hopefully on the way back up and not just plucky little Everton any more who they can pat on the head and patronise

Bob Parrington
287 Posted 18/10/2020 at 08:04:37
Agreed Mike. But some of the spelling and rambling seems strange. Maybe Jamal is not so conversant with written English in which case I would say well done for posting in an alien language (as Trump would say).

Anywayhow!!! Seemed our tactical approach to today's game was not right. We started defensively, which is the wrong way with Liverpool and this allowed them to control the game from start to finish. Thank you VAR!!

Trevor Peers
288 Posted 18/10/2020 at 08:24:44
These games are never enjoyable, probably because we rarely win out. At least this time we matched them for ferocity, nastiness and aggression in most areas of the pitch. Inevitably someone was going to get a red card, this time it was Richarleson who lost his head with that reckless tackle. A draw was a fair result.

What annoys me is the inevitable after match interview with the odious, repulsive Klopp, he really does take the biscuit, wanting the rules of the game changing after every point dropped. He's about as pleasant as a fart in an elevator.
He spoils every interview with his constant relentless moaning, they are a horrible club without any doubt.

Thomas Lennon
289 Posted 18/10/2020 at 08:51:02
Going into this weekend I thought - if we are still top by Monday, job done.

Job done, onto the next match.

Paul Tran
290 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:01:33
Before the game they were worried. After the game they are bitter. Welcome to Carlo's you kick us, we'll kick you, you want a scrap, we'll give you one, you score, we'll equalise Everton!

Steve Shave
291 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:20:10
Gerry 287 yes agree with space for the RS on their left flank, also if you consider the space afforded to Mane for their disallowed goal in injury time then that is a concern. James is not going to track back, we know this and accept it, however we must mid to long term find a way to protect the RB, either by buying an absolute first rate monster in that position or move James to the no 10 position, sell Sigi, bench Andre and buy a hard working right midfielder who can graft, create and track back like our Richy. Buendia (sorry for beating this drum again for the 1000th time) would be an outstanding and affordable option for that role. Maybe releasing Bolasie by January and hopefully getting a fee for Cenk might facilitate a move for Buendia and King?
Steve Shave
292 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:24:06
I didn't get to watch MOTD, how biased was the analysis?
Rob Halligan
293 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:33:55
So is Van Dijk out for the season because of the challenge by Pickford? Great, happy days, I'm Fucking made up, chuffed to bits, scumbag of a player who deliberately tried to injure Rodriguez twice in the first few minutes.

Oh, and by the way, does anyone remember this

Robert Workman
294 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:34:50
Only such a despicable excuse for a football club, with an idiotic manager, could claim that a penalty should be awarded AFTER an offside decision has been made - and then hypocritically dispute a decision against them by VAR, the system that gave them numerous points last season!
Stan Schofield
295 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:40:27
Jason@274: Most people with COVID don’t have any symptoms.
Keith Dempsey
296 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:45:19
Not read all the posts so if this has been mentioned before apologies.I had to listen to it on talksport and I don't think i' ve heard so much biased reporting from Matterface and Houghton even reapeatedly critisxincg our "antiquated and rickety old ground " and constatly talking about Pickfords tackle throughout the game. Infact if it hadn't been for Ratcliffes occassional comment it was a proper RS love in. Won't be tuning again
Bobby Mallon
297 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:59:04
Stan Schofield, exactly, but my worry about covid no one is talking about is this! If after 9 weeks people (as the lads in Italy have found out) are still recording positive, how many other thousands of people are running around passing it on after isolating for the one week and not showing anymore symptoms.
Alan Johnson
298 Posted 18/10/2020 at 09:59:29
Thank you Jamal #282. Made my Sunday morning even better. Your post made me laugh so much.🤣 What do you think about bringing big Dunc back?
Andrew Clare
299 Posted 18/10/2020 at 10:23:06
Happy that we didn’t lose and the luck went our way for a change.
Ancelotti has made some great signings and he has restored confidence in the team and I have no doubt that after a couple more transfer windows we will have a very formidable team that is able to compete at the highest level.
Jack Convery
300 Posted 18/10/2020 at 10:29:57
Have they started a petition yet ? Could hear them wailing all night ! Looks to me that A certain Mr Robertson tried to take a leaf out of the Suarez manual of how to do an opponent on the achilles, with a sly rake down Allans in the centre of the field during the first half. They most certainly do not like it up em ! Though they love to dish it out - especially Mr Robertson and the ever pure VVD. You have to laff !!

Ed Fitzgerald
301 Posted 18/10/2020 at 10:40:38
Their sense of indignation is laughable given the good fortune they have enjoyed against us down the decades. I’m delighted they are besides themselves with fury. No doubt had they got their way this week they would have granted themselves powers along with their ‘top six’ buddies to retrospectively change results like yesterday’s.

Despite us turning in our weakest performance of the season we could have still won yesterday and in Rodriguez have a player of genuine guile, class and excellence it’s a joy to watch him. COYB and the moaning RS - well just laugh at them

Derek Taylor
302 Posted 18/10/2020 at 10:52:53
I have little doubt that by Monday morning, the RS will have identified an 'independent 'FA panel with the power to review the JP/VVD incident and punish Everton accordingly. (Not that our player doesn't deserve it !)
Jason Li
303 Posted 18/10/2020 at 11:15:54
Waiting for Souness or Gerrard to comment on the Jordan Claude/Van Dick incident. I soooo hope they do, then the Twitterati can start posting vids of their gentlemenly tackles from past YouTube videos.
Tony Waring
304 Posted 18/10/2020 at 11:33:00
Offside decisions and VAR are NOT compatible ! Why can't we return to the original rule that the linesman raises his flag IMMEDIATELY a player is seen to be offside ? It would do away with much contentious post-match discussion.
I also agree that VVD had already fouled James twice in the first five minutes - meriting a yellow ? - before Pickford lost the plot and fouled him - though I doubt it was intentional, merely a clumsy effort to get to the ball first.
Brian Williams
305 Posted 18/10/2020 at 11:40:09
I'm now beginning to think that Pickford will almost certainly receive a retrospective ban.
The powers (there's a joke) that be will want to placate the shite after the almost unanimous uproar over the offside decision.
In defending THAT VAR decision they'll seek to move the attention away from it.
The only "get out" for Pickford will be if they actually DID review it although reports can't say one way or the other if they definitely did.
If they didn't I think he's banned.
And if that's the case Everton should fight the decision like mad and present a dossier of transgressions from the shite during the game which could include two red card incidents against them.
Interesting week ahead and whether your pro or anti Pickford we should circle the wagons and present a united front to the outside world instead of letting the likes of Newsnow cherry pick Evertonian's comment on social media and make headlines out of them.

Brian Williams
306 Posted 18/10/2020 at 11:43:25
you're" pro not "your" pro,"you're" pro not "your" pro,,,1,11:41:47,,,ok,856,10/18/2020 11:41:47,,reader,,,no 1103753,40054,toffeeweb,18/10/2020,Geoff Cadman,,Jack 302 yes then he has the brass neck to slag off Pickford and Richie,Jack 302 yes then he has the brass neck to slag off Pickford and Richie,,,1,11:42:20,,,ok,21193,10/18/2020 11:42:20,,reader,,,no 1103754,40056,toffeeweb,18/10/2020,Joe Corgan,,"Ordinarily I wouldn’t be at all concerned by Liverpool trying to get the VAR decision overturned, if that is what they are even trying to do, but this is a team that talked their way into the 2005/06 Champions League having, under the rules at the time, failed to qualify!
Andrew Keatley
307 Posted 18/10/2020 at 12:03:24
Jamal (282) - I’m with you on Lookman. Has the natural talent to hurt defences and was collateral damage during the Koeman/Allardyce/Silva period. He’ll do very well somewhere, possibly this season for Fulham.
Laurie Hartley
308 Posted 18/10/2020 at 12:04:56
I am disappointed we didn’t win but I will take heart from the fact that we have players all over the pitch now that won’t be stood over them - and they know it. I’ll have to wait for Anfield.
Si Cooper
309 Posted 18/10/2020 at 12:09:39
Bobby (299), positive for what after 9 weeks? Virus or antibodies?
I would expect they are checking the footballers to see if they are infectious or not before they are allowed back. Do you know any different?
Si Cooper
310 Posted 18/10/2020 at 12:17:04
Rob (295), you do realise that apart from the nasty morons in the pub that link you have posted actually paints most of them, including Klopp, in a good light?
Not sure it makes the point you think it does.
Danny O’Neill
311 Posted 18/10/2020 at 12:54:52
Surprised with the comments it was our weakest performance of the season. Whilst I get the sentiment, no consideration we were playing pretty much a full strength team that is currently the best in the league by far and arguably the best in Europe if not the world.

You're never going to enjoy the freedoms you do against Liverpool at present as you will against Brighton.

I thought we coped well with the inevitable periods of pressure, caused them problems too and most importantly have sorted out our mentality issues to come back at them twice. Oh, and we finally got the rub of the green on some dodgy decisions. Last season, we capitulate.

Denis Byrne
312 Posted 18/10/2020 at 13:37:16
I think we're being harsh boys quite rightly, LFC have appealed to the FA to review the eVARton goal and make it stand, and while they're at it both eVARton goals involved a little push on a defender and a foul should have been awarded so they can now be wiped off and the real result will be 3-0, which given the superiority of the boys in red, is only fair isn't it?
Its about 'rights' after all, and as champions LFC should naturally receive preferential treatment, so that they can claim their rightful place as champions ad infinitum, because it's only right isn't it?
And as the momentum for world domination gathers pace, the lovely boys on the kop have added a new verse to YNWA.
"And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Kloppetty Klopp of the Kop, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'"
And next years kit is the best ever, a red robe and a crown of golden Laurel leaves with the new motto emblazoned under the liver bird "ego superbieia".
Ernie Baywood
313 Posted 18/10/2020 at 13:46:40
Incredible stuff from our Red cousins on social media. I've just seen a guy on 5 live suggesting that PL clubs should demand that the season be suspended until VAR is removed.

They're a funny lot.

Has anyone mentioned that at the same time as Richarlison was fouling Thiago, Mane (already on a yellow) was kicking out at Mina and tripped him? Pretty clear second yellow but VAR never bothered to look at it.

Chris Leyland
314 Posted 18/10/2020 at 14:34:29
Earnie Baywood – I posted a clip of the Mane trip on Mina earlier on in this thread.

I think that the club should show solidarity and support the shite's complaint about VAR by providing a video of Mane's trip on Mina, Robertson's kick at Allen and Arnold's tug on Richarlison's shirt when he hit the post.

We should ask why, in the spirit of justice and taking into account Liverpool's complaint about VAR, these 3 incidents weren't checked by VAR at the time. In fact, and in order to ensure that justice is done as the shite demand, as these 3 incidents weren't reviewed at the time, wouldn't it only be fair to review them now and take retrospective action?

Soren Moyer
315 Posted 18/10/2020 at 14:36:03
And then there was Andy Robertson's off-the-ball lunging on Allan. That went unpunished too!
Frank Thomas
316 Posted 18/10/2020 at 15:16:39
Intent. Intent. Intent.

Should be the key to all football decisions. This season Roy with his mates in the FA have eliminated the 'handball rule' because if there was no intent to commit a foul then it should not be a penalty. As people said, no mention of the previous week's penalty for them with the same rule.

When Van Dijk clattered into James in the first few minutes there was intent to slow him down and injury him slightly and to jar him. Hence the same intent with 3 more tackles on James sending him to the floor every time.

Do you remember Gazza's game when he got a major career limiting injury? In that game, he was tackling really wildly nearly injuring people and finally a really wild tackle from him resulted in him damaging his own knee. Justice is sometimes served but never on demand.

There was no intent to injure Van Dijk by Pickford. Contrast that with the trip on Mina by Mane (link in a post on this page), the flying tackle on Digne by Mane which gave the ref no choice but to give a yellow card to Mane. This season Mane intentionally elbowed another player in the throat but it was in the first 5 minutes so no red card.

When Son tripped Gomes he did have an intent to trip him up and to stop a counter-attack but was shocked when Gomes had his leg broken. So once again the intent reason was ignored and not penalised.

When Mane fell to the floor after Gomes's high kick when he plucked the ball out of the air and kept in under control Mane's intent was clear, to gain an advantage by winning a free-kick because the TV showed he did not touch Mane and once again no replay.

Hugh Jenkins
317 Posted 18/10/2020 at 15:27:51
Jack (302) - One thing that YouTube sequence clearly shows is that Robertson is a real dirty player. The sooner someone leaves their mark on him, the better.
Mike Powell
318 Posted 18/10/2020 at 15:28:59
Sick of all the red shower moaning, I have deleted six of my Facebook already. They're going on about Pickford, but when I mention Van Dijk could've been sent off after two mins, or Mane's high tackle, or that horrible little rat Robertson's tackle, who should've got a red, they call me bitter and take my blue blinkers off.

The game itself, I thought it was our worst game of the season, too many misplaced passes, and they cut through us like a knife through butter. At least we are still unbeaten so I am happy with that, though Keane and Pickford were outstanding, work on Monday should be fun.

Tony Hill
319 Posted 18/10/2020 at 15:38:18
Hugh @320, he's a horrible little man and a sly, dirty player. He is also an excellent attacking left-back, and not a very good defender as Calvert-Lewin hilariously demonstrated. It was like seeing a child brushed aside.

That shitty tackle on Allan summed him up; and summed them up. No doubt he's composing his apology as we speak.

Tom Bowers
320 Posted 18/10/2020 at 15:46:06
It's no good trying to argue with RS fans, it's like trying to convince Donald Duck Trump he's a useless president.

The game is full of devious intents in some players challenges and some referees are too niave to spot them.

RS play to their strengths which is a high intensity offence to unsettle the opposition early but Everton are made of sterner stuff these days.

Steve Carse
321 Posted 18/10/2020 at 16:16:06
Mike (321), I don't understand why you are sick of the RS moaning. I can't get enough of it. I'd guess that you were not around in the mid80s. For, if you had been, you might have recalled how their previously condescending and patronising attitude towards us quickly turned into nastiness. They were in fact the original 'bitters'.
Mike Hughes
322 Posted 18/10/2020 at 17:06:58

Different Mike responding but regarding the RS being the “original bitters”, they still are. I respond to “Bitter Blue” comments with “Retarded Red”. They don't like it back at them – particularly when they aren't in a group for back-up.

I mean, we are not so bitter as to resort to stoning the Man City team coach; pushing the locals into fountains on foreign jaunts; rushing the stadium gates in Athens; rushing passport control at John Lennon airport; fireworks at the Liver Building etc. Let's not mention all points going back to Heysel. Oh crap, I just did.

I could go on. But they are too retarded in the dumbest and dumber sense to see their own faults.

And just to qualify my own bitter credentials – on Van Dijk, screw him. You can just imagine the RS watching his two fouls in the first 5 mins and laughing how he was bossing things. What goes around comes around.

It's a bit more difficult trying to be Billy Big Bollocks with a limp.

Leighton Cooper
323 Posted 18/10/2020 at 17:40:34
Brian Williams 203. Talking of that dark art, I was Vicarage Road when they played Watford. (The Mrs supports Watford, and it turned out to be a very enjoyable afternoon!)

I was sat quite close to where Deulofeu tore his ACL, at the time I recalled saying that was very deliberate and cynical of Van Dijk which directly led to his injury.

Not one pundit or press mentioned it, instead citing it as an accident. He went to do two of players in the opening mins yesterday, again no mention, he is certainly no saint.

Christy Ring
324 Posted 18/10/2020 at 17:51:16
If the FA decide to suspend Pickford, because of all the moaning from the redshite, the whinging scum, and there pundits, shouldn't they look at Robertson's intent to injure Allan?

Not one pundit even mentioned it, it's all about Pickford. VAR wasn't used for Mane's trip on Mina, which was definitely a second yellow.

The only reason Oliver didn't check it was Richarlison's tackle on Thiago seconds later.

Brian Williams
325 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:04:36
Christy, I mentioned on another thread that the club should prepare a dossier on all those incidents affecting us, should Pickford be retrospectively punished.

I doubt they will though.

Anthony Murphy
326 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:10:36
Retrospective punishment can only be applied if the match officials say they didn't see it – so we need to know firstly was the Pickford incident seen (reviewed by VAR). If so and Pickford is then punished retrospectively, it will set a new precedent – you couldn't make it up.

Those saying the challenge was horrendous – it was clumsy and erratic but not malicious.

Christy Ring
327 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:17:07
Van Diik to have surgery on his cruciate ligament, the whinging will start all over again.
Andrew Ellams
328 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:19:44
The inbreds have exploded. There are petitions for Parliament to overturn the result and for the police to take action against Pickford and Richarlison.
Danny O’Neill
329 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:24:22
Agree, Anthony, it wasn't malicious, but it was a dreadful challenge.
Jason Li
330 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:24:37
Didn't see them coming after Doucouré or Mina. They went after easy target Rodriguez and smaller player Allan.

They won't try it on again in next derby, they know we have a bite as well.

Still waiting for Slippy and Souness to comment. Total silence.

That Dirty Kuyt, Fangs, Van Dick, they've such a history as long as my arm of names of players who intentionally foul and get away with it.

Don't think the football panel will do anything, as football has fallen out with Liverpool this year. My suspicion is why that VAR was given against them. You do it to yourself you do... and that's what really hurts.

Dave Southword
331 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:25:49
Van Dijk off for surgery on his ACL. Pickford's going to get the chair.
Frank Thomas
332 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:52:30
Listening to the radio, the reds want Pickford banned retrospeciviely.

I think we need to prepare to ask the FA to look at missed things that VAR did not see or pick up on like the Mane trip, the Robertson kick, the Mane dive to win a free-kick.

Maybe we could get the Leeds fans to get Salah red carded because of his dive in the first game of the season. The reds will be pushing for a long a ban as possible.

Maybe they will push for something I actually feel would be fair and that is the 3 game ban is served after the recovery from a serious injury in the meantime the player, just like the injured player cannot play any football. When you think of the excuses made by the press that is filled with Spurs fans that Gomes's injury was just an unfortunate accident. Ditto for Van Dijk.

David Graves
333 Posted 18/10/2020 at 18:54:40
I grew up on tales of the horrible Yeats, Smith and Case and saw for myself Souness, Gerard, Carragher, Kuyt and Suarez so I'll shed no tears - but if you don't think there was any intent you musn't have played much football.

Pickford went over the top and it was a bad tackle. No worse than Son Heung-Min's though and remember how the media were quick to defend it as "out of character". Wonder if Pickford will get the same support?

James Head
334 Posted 18/10/2020 at 19:19:44
7:15 pm on Sunday night and on Sky Sport after the Spurs West Ham game, they are still going on about Pickford taking Van Dijk out. They're determined to get Pickford done, absolute total bias, Souness foaming at the mouth, pot kettle black is not in it.
Martin Mason
335 Posted 18/10/2020 at 19:26:45
Pickford did exactly what any good keeper would have done spreading out and getting as close as possible. The whistle had gone so he couldn't be penalised. The ref and VAR were absolutely correct in their decision. Prejudiced opinion doesn't mean guilt.
Geoff Lambert
336 Posted 18/10/2020 at 19:31:37
Could you imagine any of the RS fans crucifying one of their own for doing a bad tackle on one of our boys???

Get a grip – it was not intentional and imagine if he had stood off and Van Dijk had crossed it for a goal.

Tony Hill
337 Posted 18/10/2020 at 19:32:47
If there is any effort to charge Pickford, then it must be resisted at all costs. It really is beyond time that the RS and their media mafia were told to shut the fuck up.
Christy Ring
338 Posted 18/10/2020 at 20:11:08
I listened to Souness, he had me in tears, laughing. 😂
Terry McLavey
339 Posted 18/10/2020 at 20:22:28
I wonder whether Richarlison would get an apology from the cunts who commit rotational fouling on him so badly he sometimes has to leave the pitch, being kicked and stamped on from one end to the other.

The RS don't like it up 'em, do they, and win at Mordor would really sort them. had a message from a RS fan I know (which I didn't respond to) saying VAR is ruining the game, ironically not ever for them apart from this match.

The LFC school of diving, resident tutors Mane and Sahah!

Derek Taylor
340 Posted 18/10/2020 at 20:26:17
Looks like all those Evertonians who wanted to see Pickford out of the side are about to have their way. The author of his own misfortune, I guess although the process of his banning will be orchestrated by our fellow football lovers of another persuasion in conjuction with Sky Sports!
Bill Watson
341 Posted 18/10/2020 at 20:59:51
I spent last night and this morning steeling myself for the inevitable disappointment of hearing the injury wasn't as bad as first thought, so really pleased to hear Van Dijk will probably miss the rest of the season. Even when he does come back, he'll probably have lost half a yard.

I wouldn't usually welcome a serious injury to any player but this one is a particularly nasty, pernicious individual who probably would have done James if he'd have stayed on the field.

Just heard that tosser, Souness, saying "It was an assault". You really couldn't make this stuff up.

Dave Abrahams
342 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:09:04
Tony (340). Good post and I hope the club back Jordan up every step of the way, there was no intent at all by Pickford in that tackle. Reckless, yes, but malicious? Never in a million years.

There are quite a few malicious tackles to be seen in that game if the FA care to have a look at them. Bad as they are, not one of them matched the ones Souness performed throughout his career. A great player but one dirty and vicious one with it.

Christy Ring
343 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:16:13
Listening to all the pundits slating Pickford, the one common denominator, all ex redshirt players, but I have to credit Carragher, he defended Pickford when Souness called it assault, and said he didn't go out to hurt the player, and told Souness to behave.
Michael Williams
344 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:16:55
If Son got a yellow for his take out of Gomes, there is no way Pickford should get any more than that.

Now is the time to stop whining about Pickford and back him all the way. #ISupportJordan

Dave Abrahams
345 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:17:19
Some bad news for us Bluenoses, Sandro has just scored, possibly the fastest goal, by a substitute in Spanish league history, six seconds, he’s coming alive now, probably going to Real or Barca for £150M at the end of this season. Bleedin’ knew it!!!
Tony Abrahams
346 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:19:42
I’ve just watched Carragher talking Christy, and although he takes a lot of stick on these pages, finally someone has brought a bit of sanity into this unfortunate incident.
Christy Ring
347 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:22:17
Michael #349 Agree, pace and skill.
Christy Ring
348 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:32:07
Tony #350, Spot on, but listening to the dickhead Souness calling it assault, shocking. Pickford spread himself like any goalkeeper, and wasn't even looking at Van Dijk.

No way was it malicious; Carragher deserves a bit of credit.

Will Mabon
349 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:35:41
Dave, don't tell Bill Gienapp - he's still raw about losing Super Sandro.
Bill Gienapp
350 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:38:11
Will (352) - we need to buy him back in January! I'm thinking £30-million should get it done.
Will Mabon
351 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:42:40
Bill, ha! Didn't know you were about!
Bill Gienapp
352 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:51:57
Will, I happened to log on just now and said "hey, that's my name in the most recent comments!"

Also, I hope you saw my response to your wisecrack in the Bolasie thread, LOL.

Will Mabon
353 Posted 18/10/2020 at 21:57:18
I did, Bill. "Fab Four"! Good to see your humour is helping you through this difficult time.
James Head
354 Posted 18/10/2020 at 22:01:48
Souness was really going after Pickford on Sky Sport earlier, what a hypocrite.

Check this tackle of his out and this is one of many he did in his playing days:

Pat Kelly
355 Posted 18/10/2020 at 22:06:42
Just to show that Everton fans are sporting maybe we could show our sympathy for Van Dijk by starting one of those GoFuckMe pages for him?
Justin Doone
356 Posted 18/10/2020 at 22:43:33
It was a good game and a good point gained.

There were a few below-par performances but for a first derby for many players they kept fighting for each other.

Thiago and James stood out as top-class players. Why no one else moved for either is mind-boggling.

I think both tackles were genuine. Richarlison's was a 50:50 and I think he got the ball but studs were raised.

Pickford rushed out tried to stay big and block. Poor attempt but genuine. Probably the best thing he's done all season.

Chris Corn
358 Posted 19/10/2020 at 00:30:18
I don't like to see players injured but all this whining makes my teeth itch. We can all point to a load of poor tackles in these games. My first live derby saw Geoff Nulty's career ended by Jimmy Case.

As for poor derby decisions, well don't get me started. I could write all night with the injustices I've seen in 40-odd years.

Soren Moyer
359 Posted 19/10/2020 at 02:25:20
Ffs! This is BBC's only sporting headline! Unbelievable!!!


Derek Moore
360 Posted 19/10/2020 at 07:36:48
Graham Coldron
361 Posted 19/10/2020 at 08:42:44
Well said, Chris @361.You have summed up the situation perfectly and your comments echo the thoughts of all of us.

The most galling aspect in all this is how the media, especially the BBC and Sky, automatically jump on the RS bandwagon.

Dave Williams
362 Posted 19/10/2020 at 08:47:03
Pickford's challenge was consistent with his goalkeeping over the last 18 months. A rush of blood, charged towards the ball, but no coordination between his arms and legs and it could just as easily have been a goal.

I'm not into bashing our players but his attempt at saving the disallowed “goal” was appalling and alarming – yes, he made a great save from Matip's header but his challenge on Van Dijk was driven by panic, not intent or malice.

Good for Carragher saying to Souness that he was one to talk having made a career out of tackles worse than that.

Robert Tressell
363 Posted 19/10/2020 at 08:58:41
I never thought we'd be grateful to Carragher for offering some perspective...

And by the way, if the boot was on the other foot, the headline would be "Reds hold on to top spot after fiery encounter"

Forget the fansites, the mainstream media would be talking about a balance of iffy decisions (Robertson and Mane) and the fact that though some of the calls were marginal, the rules are the rules.

We're far, far too magnanimous. No wonder we struggle to beat our neighbours. We're playing by a different set of rules.

Mike Price
364 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:12:14
I've finally forgiven Pickford for the Origi incident!

The amount of publicity this incident is getting and editing of anything they did wrong is mind-blowing. Someone needs to stand up for our club and point out this hypocrisy.

The ‘likeable' Klopp persona becomes a twisted mask as soon as something doesn't go his way, doesn't it!?

Personally, I'm loving it!! 😁

Ray Smith
365 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:14:01
1984 Anfield, European Cup semi-final v Dinamo Bucharest, Souness broke the jaw of their captain and went unpunished.

Listening to him yesterday, you would have thought he was whiter than white! Bloody hypocrite.

At least Carragher said it how it was, and laughed at Souness, telling him to give over.

I think Souness should stand down before he has another heart attack!

Pickford has escaped. But can we afford to rest him against Southampton for his own good?

Robert Tressell
366 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:14:57
So petition to Michael and Lyndon - can we change the name of the thread to "Blues hold on to top spot after fiery encounter"

Let's start behaving like a club that expects to win things.

Ray Smith
368 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:21:25
Robert @369,

Hear, hear – very good point. 👍

Peter Neilson
369 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:23:16
Maybe any VAR review could look at why Mane collapsed clutching his head when there was no contact. Sadly it's just accepted now. As the commentator said on Saturday “if Mane thinks there will be contact, he feels entitled to go down”.
Mike Price
370 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:25:25
Hugh #370,

Nail on the head. I've been saying it for years, it's a coordinated strategy that happens before, during and after games, and it works!

We, on the other hand, are far too nice and naive.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
371 Posted 19/10/2020 at 09:31:51
Can one (or more) our techy warriors on here produce a 20-second video of the two fouls by Van Dijk in the first 5 minutes – and then the one of the Pickford save and finish with a screen saying "Isn't Karma a Bitch!".

And then let's see if we can get it to go viral.

Alternatively – all the bad tackles and bad decisions, all the way back to the Bryan Hamilton goal – just to provide balance.

Laurie Hartley
372 Posted 19/10/2020 at 10:07:36
Just as a matter of interest: can someone explain to me why Mane's goal was allowed despite Firmino being in an offside position in the six-yard box:

Derek Knox
373 Posted 19/10/2020 at 10:19:13
Laurie @375, yes I think I can, it was Liverpool. Who get nearly every decision in their favour apart from Neanderthal's goal towards the end, I was totally taken aback by that decision to rule that out.

I think they call it either Karma, or the boot being on the other foot at long last!

Eric Myles
374 Posted 19/10/2020 at 10:41:55
Anthony #329, the incident has to have been seen by the ref, so presuming he's not blind, he must have seen it and as he didn't penalise Pickford no further punishment should be possible.

Dave#365, and others, I'd be more impressed with Pickford if it HAD been deliberate!

Jim Lloyd
375 Posted 19/10/2020 at 10:47:42
Robert Tressell (369) Well said.
Derek Taylor
376 Posted 19/10/2020 at 10:49:04
Ray @368, I suspect we shall only need Olsen in for a couple of games to realise what a good keeper Pickford is. Remind me as to how many games he has lost us this season ?
Mike Gwyer
377 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:07:40

Mike Price.

"We, on the other hand, are far too nice and naive."

Everton are in the same boat as the other 18 clubs in the EPL, the other two, one being the RS in particular and United have their fingers in ALL the fucking pies.

I watched the Palace game and had to listen to an ex RS commentator and an ex United player doing the halftime overview, so basically 90 minutes of anti Everton bias and an half-time overview of how unlucky Palace were.

You will have seen in the past 48 hours how the RS media machine works. Everton, like the other 18 clubs, have no control over what shite these commentators are paid, yes paid, to type or
provide comment on. The BBC is a tax payer funded company yet the bias to the RS is shocking, absolutely shocking.

For me Everton are neither nice or naive, Everton are humble and they get on with what shit comes their way and I am proud that they do that.

Brian Williams
378 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:14:47
Laurie I've done extensive checks to find am answer to your question and after digging deep and raking through rules and whatnot I've finally found the reason.
Mane's goal occurred at approximately 12:33 pm.
The rs's contract with the devil ran out at 12:40pm, seconds before VD's injury.
Andrew Ellams
379 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:24:56
Souness should have been banned from any association with football for life when he wrote in his book how he went into a Derby with the specific intention of breaking Peter Reid's leg. He was two bit thug, a poor manager and is a crap pundit.
Christine Foster
380 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:27:43
Brian, the cheque to the devil bounced at 12.39pm
Brian Williams
381 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:30:33
Just goes to show how different things can look when a photo shows a split second of an incident. The photo just shows two players going all out for the same ball.

Ray Smith
382 Posted 19/10/2020 at 11:31:37
Derek 379

Take your point.

My concern is for Pickford himself.
The trolls will be having a field day.

Yes he is man enough to handle it.

Let’s not forget VVR is no angel. He should have been booked for his early foul on James!

Laurie Hartley
383 Posted 19/10/2020 at 12:12:16
Derek#376 & Brian#381 - well I’ll be hornswoggled, and there was me thinking that it was just a case of me not understanding the offside rule.
David Pearl
384 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:21:35
Funny pictures emerging of Digne trying to take the red card out of the ref's pocket so he couldn't send Richarlison off. Reds going crazy!
Brent Stephens
385 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:31:48

Cheeky chappie Digne!

Brent Stephens
386 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:34:43
Can't get the link to work but it's in the red Echo.
Derek Knox
387 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:41:43
Laurie @ 386, Hornswoggled? Love it, mate. :-)
Frank Thomas
388 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:47:53
Have you heard Osman's voice? Why did we not hear a whisper from him on BT Sport after the very dangerous and intentional tackle by Mane and ditto for Mane on Mina ? I thought BT had provided balance until I realise there were two ex reds and only 1 ex blue why?

We need the ex blues to speak up as much as the reds do. The only commentators who vociferously voiced our side have been Peter Reed and Tim Cahill.

Dave Roberts
389 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:48:14
I'm not on Twitter or anything like that but my window cleaner is and he was showing me some of the things that kopites are posting this morning. One knobhead is trying to organise a protest on Stanley Park with the objective of having the three points awarded to the RS. This will be accompanied by a petition to parliament with view to the three points and having Pickford banned.for the same period of time that Van Rink is absent.

They are absurdly deluded dickbrains with the combined IQ of a dead frog. It was a game of football for fucks sake and I'm sure they feel hard done by. But as an Evertonian I have far more experience of feeling hard done by after derbies than they do.

Always the victim never to blame eh?

Dave Roberts
390 Posted 19/10/2020 at 13:52:30
Sorry about that. No idea who Can Rink is!
Chris James
391 Posted 19/10/2020 at 14:10:41

Looks like Pickford's going nowhere for the moment.
No doubt Sky and the Liverpool Twitterati will respond to this in a calm and reasonable manner.

On that note, can I say that my favourite part of the weekend's media circus was when Sky called upon one of the dirtiest players to don a red shirt plus a convicted 'drugs cheat' as their voices of moral outrage. Almost as Trump holding a bible...

Dave Rusk
392 Posted 19/10/2020 at 14:18:18
Sky Sports News just spent 10 mins discussing the "injustices" of the Pickford tackle and Henderson "goal".
I played it back to count they showed the Pickford tackle 7 times.
PS: I live in Manchester and all my City and United mates think Pickford deserves a knighthood !
Christy Ring
393 Posted 19/10/2020 at 14:47:11
Frank#391 Listening to the commentary on BT, McManaman laughing when the redshite scored, and so biased, and Keown agreeing with everything he said, was unbelievable. I remember when Sheedy hit Keown a few boxes, during his time with us, he must be bitter. But listening to Souness, a hatched man, calling Pickford's challenge "Assault", was absolutely shocking, even Carragher told him to behave. He's a SKY pundit on TV, not a redshite fan, he should be banned.
Simon Dalzell
394 Posted 19/10/2020 at 14:58:49
RS totally blinkered as always. Robertson is a complete shithouse. Devious, malicious, sly, arrogant..etc A nasty piece of work. Alexander Armstrong is very similar.
Ray Smith
395 Posted 19/10/2020 at 14:59:04
Dave 392

Are you sure about the combined IQ of a dead frog!

I think you’ve underestimated the dead frogs IQ 😂😂😂

Hugh Jenkins
396 Posted 19/10/2020 at 15:45:53
Chris (394)
It is now the main story on the BBC football site and the caption reads "Pickford to avoid retrospective action for tackle on Van Dijk". Clearly implying that he is guilty but is getting away with something.
The BBC is disgusting, in this context.
Chris Williams
397 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:09:34
Christy (396)

I was unfortunate enough to witness Souness ranting. Genuine outrage.

Did you notice when he said “we” and then quickly said “Liverpool”?

Fair does to Carragher for pointing out Souness’s unique qualification to discuss ‘assaults ‘

Jack Convery
398 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:18:28

Aston Villa fans not too happy either with the Media about VVDs injury.

Brent Stephens
399 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:21:28
Dave #392 "They are absurdly deluded dickbrains with the combined IQ of a dead frog."

An IQ next to none?!

Paul Jones
400 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:35:49
Pickford flew out of goal feet first in the "Ray Clemance" style Souness should have had nostalgic fond memories of such goalkeeping.
Brian Williams
401 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:46:07
Merseyside police now investigating tweets aimed at Pickford and Richarlison.

I wonder how the media will highlight this?

Brian Williams
402 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:46:44
Pat Finegan
403 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:52:35
Regarding the Pickford situation, I feel bad for those I should feel bad for. Namely, VVD and the footballing community as a whole. I don't feel bad for LFC and I certainly don't feel bad for their supporters.

Can we have Pickford serve Richarlison's ban? Seems fair to me.

Andy Finigan
404 Posted 19/10/2020 at 16:57:24
As a former goalkeeper myself I think most supporters would agree that goalkeeping is unique in comparison to out field play. Ie a defender would not be a loud to spread himself and dive full stretch at an on coming marauding center forward.

When a goalkeeper deals with a one on one with an opposite player more often than not they will run towards the onrushing player and attempt to thwart the chance with a star jump.

Schmeichel at Manchester United did it on numerous occasions and very often a collision would occur. To be honest its very brave goalkeeping as they can come of mutch worse.
Martin Mason
405 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:01:50
Pickford did excatly what a goalie should have done, he spread out his arms and legs and went for the ball. It should be noted that at no time did he take his eyes off the ball so no premeditated attack. unfortunately, the way that VVD went down he was caught in that scissor that often results in ACL injuries. The scissor wasn't premeditated, a badly judged tackle yes but a football incident.
Kieran Kinsella
406 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:07:23
Toni Schumacher must be loving this. The media have finally moved on from his assault on Patrick Pattiston at the 1982 world cup.
Derek Knox
407 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:12:02
Dave @ 392, sorry mate but I will have to correct you there, the IQ of a dead frog is far higher and superior to the Orcs and Trolls at Mordor. :-)
Jack Convery
408 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:20:35
also a dead frog is useful - ask science teachers and herons.
Joe McMahon
409 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:23:26
Pat, I agree I was also hoping for a retrospective ban. It was a red card challenge, and it would give use a break from Pickford moments.

5 league games so far this season and 4 of them have had Pickford mistakes. Even the wrongly disallowed goal on Saturday he should have saved.

Tony Abrahams
410 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:23:41
It was just “part-n-parcel” of the game back then Kieran, even acceptable, but football has moved on, you don’t even have to mean it anymore, for the animals of the past, to deem it an assault.

I used to like Souness, he spoke as much sense as anyone on tv, imo, but not anymore because this man’s agenda really does seem to have changed.

Spiteful as a player, now spiteful as a pundit, surely players who have played the game, (especially top players) know the difference between poor decision making, and maliciousness or assault?

Football needs a revamp of its laws, start with the cheating, and let’s stop insulting ourselves, with that most horrible of sayings. “He had a right to go down”- it’s sickening, because a player should really only have the right to go down, if he’s injured or “he can’t stay on his feet”

Christy Ring
411 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:39:14
Pat#406 Joe#412, How many games did Son miss for Gomes horrific injury, None, it seemed he was the victim. Joe could you not credit Pickford, for 3 outstanding saves?
Dale Self
412 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:46:15
Yeah, the Reds should be careful here. They're going to make Pickford a sympathetic figure as they pile on.
Rob Dolby
413 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:53:28
Has Pickford taken over the Schneiderian role at the club.
5 games unbeaten 2 motm performances and our own fans want him banned!

We all know he is erratic, world class followed by Sunday league standard usually in the same game but surely most can realise that even dropping him for Olsen isn't going to improve us or him.

Whilst he is in-between the sticks for us he deserves our support. Most of the English media had an agenda against him even before the derby.

Peter Neilson
414 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:54:48
They should just turn his microphone off and let Souness ramble on to himself about the boot room and pre season chasing donkeys on Southport beach. Could make it pay per view.
Dave Roberts
415 Posted 19/10/2020 at 17:55:57
I wasn't going to mention this because I didn't want to light any fuses unnecessarily but now that they are under investigation anyway there's another tweet from a redshirt twat I can mention that my window cleaner showed me. It involved wishing painful deaths to all Everton players, their wives and children.

Now, I didn't want to take this too seriously as I'm sure that many kopites are reasonable people who have by now settled down and largely put the game behind them. But the redshirt support does seem to include well beyond their fair share of total cretins, as Heysel aptly demonstrated.

I admire some of their players, they are excellent exponents of the game.

I intensely dislike the club as they are so mafia like as The Project Big Picture and other events have demonstrated.

But I reserve my hatred for the massive numbers of redshirt supporters of this ilk. Every club has its hotheads but nobody compares to this lot. To them it's not a game it's a cult. They are the Taliban of the Premiership. They can see no wrong in the club they support and in their own psychopathic behaviour. I wish they would just go away and allow the beautiful game to breathe again.

Dave Roberts
416 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:07:24
Bloody predictive text! For redshirt read redshite.
Kieran Kinsella
417 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:11:50
Tony 413

Can you imagine the footballers who fought in World War I having the same attitude. "Sir we lost a dozen men," "Oh, no! Killed or wounded?" "Neither sir but Gerry came charging over and brushed by them so they had a right to go down."

James Head
418 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:26:01
The clamour from various ex-RS players and sections of the sports media to have Pickford retrospectively banned and worse is disgraceful but not surprising, no other club not even Man U could feign such outrage at anything that doesn't go their way and be backed up by their pals in all the media outlets, Sky have been the most biased along with sister company talksport and the beeb have also been pro-RS but not one of these media companies has attempted to get an objective opinion from say an ex goalkeeper who could put a case forward for Pickfords actions, I'm not a fan of Pickford but the club and all our supporters need to get behind him 100% and stop this media campaign to destroy his career.
John Pierce
419 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:27:17
Kieran, autocorrect has had you off there fella ‘Patrick Pattiston’. He played for the Royal Oak c. 1982. 😭😭😭

John Pierce
420 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:33:51
I’ve looked at the Pickford incident differently. It’s another poor piece of poor keeping which adds to a growing body of work which will undermine our good start.

I’d ask why he came out in the first place & led with his legs? It suggests to me he thought he couldn’t get there? Only 5 minutes into a big game & the ball running away from VVD he made a poor choice to leave his line when every percentage was against VVD. Why?
I’d much more concerned with the decision to come out than the tackle. His judgement is the issue here surely? The tackle is the result of that bad judgement. This 50:50 lark is a smoke screen to defend the tackle and the ram out from it.. Let’s rewind and look at the root of the problem, which is his desire to get involved when it’s not necessary.
He must be ‘rested’ because trying play him through the bad spell is not working.

Rob Halligan
421 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:37:13
My god, you'd think the red Shite were squeaky clean. Jimmy (shithouse) Case on Geoff Nulty. Career ended by a shithouse tackle. Maggot Gerrard two footed assault on Gary Naysmith. Dick kuyt kung fu challenge on Phil Neville, and I'm sure there are others.

As Jack @ 401 points out, the villa fans are fuming because one of their players suffered a similar challenge and injury back on new years day, and is still out injured, yet no fuss has been made by the media, but the minute it happens to a red Shite player everyone is up in arms. Well do you know what, unlucky, shit happens, get over it. It was a bad challenge by Pickford and probably did deserve a red card, but there is no way he intended to hurt Van Dijk.

Christy Ring
422 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:40:50
Lot of Villa fans giving out, and rightly so, how many minutes, or should I say seconds, did Sky, BBC, and the pundits, Souness etc, and radio sport shows, speak out about Mee's tackle on Wesley last January, when he did his ACL, he wasn't sent off, and no one baying for blood, and wanting Mee banned, or all the concern for Wesley's welfare, he's still not back. A quote from the book Animal Farm comes to mind, "We're all equal, but some are more equal than others.
Kieran Kinsella
423 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:41:55
John 423

Bloody spellcheck! On your point about Pickford, I think he panics quite a bit and when he does so, his response is just to fling a limb in some direction. In this case his leg, in other cases a weird star jump, or a limp wristed wave. It's almost like he has an involuntary spasm and part of his body reacts to a danger without any sort of cognitive control. Most of his errors involve weird motions. It's not a good thing.

Rob Halligan
424 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:42:26
James # 421. You say not one media company has asked an ex goalkeeper for their views on this incident. SSN have been talking to Mark Bosnich, and his opinion is that Pickford should serve a ban for as long as Van Dijk is out.
Daniel A Johnson
425 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:50:05
Rob 427

Mark Bosnich lol!!!!

I remember when they stopped a match at old Trafford for 15min to remark the penalty area as he had hoovered up all the white lines.

What a pillock.

Tony Abrahams
426 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:58:21
I didn’t realise how poor Pickford’s challenge was because I was just concentrating on the ball, and thinking “I hope that’s not a pen”. Then the view from behind the goal, I was just concentrating on Pickford again, and wondering why he stops, then rushes forward again John P.

Pickford is shot to bits on crosses, he’s always in two minds, he dithers, and shows a complete lack of anticipation, which interferes with his timing - once he’s forced to come forward off his line, and maybe it’s time to give him a rest?

I’m giving it a rest myself now, those crying kopites, incessantly getting backed up by the media has given me a headache, and it’s true James@421, not even Manchester United could feign such outrage so I’m going to listen to Genesis, singing “turn it in, turn it in again”!

Jack Convery
427 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:58:31
Is this not the worst tackle this season ? Premeditated and deliberate. No thought that the player could be seriously injured and put out for months. Were was the trial by media and witch hunt Pickford is now going through. No red card either.
Jay Wood

428 Posted 19/10/2020 at 18:58:35
The cocaine sniffing Mark Bosnich, Rob?

Now there's a man whose judgement you can trust, eh?

Jack Convery
429 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:01:56

oops - here's the link to the tackle I was talking about.

Radio Merseyside tonight - RS fan EFC are the dirtiest team in the EPL and I hope the teams playing away to EFC take expert medical staff with them as they will need them. You can't make it up.

Kieran Kinsella
430 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:06:38
Piers Morgan "He'd be arrested if Pickford did that tackle on someone walking down the street." You'd be arrested for any kind of tackle on someone walking down the street you muppet.
Rob Halligan
431 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:07:00
Just received an interesting picture on WhatsApp of the Pickford / Van Dijk incident. It actually shows Van Dijk leading with an outstretched right leg with his studs clearly raised and seeming to be either heading for the ball, or Pickfords right knee. Pickfords in a position like he is getting ready to block the ball, but has he seen Van Dijk's studs heading for his knee and therefore jumped to avoid an injury, this jump resulting in him seemingly doing a scissor kick on Van Dijk? I wish I could get this image on here. Maybe somebody else has received it and can load onto here?
Chris Williams
432 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:09:15

He only did that when he wasn’t giving Hitler salutes.

Or he could have been sending for his stash.

Beglin weighing in too. The sound you hear is that of the bottom of the toilet being well and truly scraped.

What does Rodney Marsh think?

Chris Williams
433 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:12:36

Try My Shits Fucked Up by Warren Zevon and dedicate it to them, because that’s how they are.

Or maybe The Downward Pull of Human Nature by John Martyn

Jay Wood

434 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:16:22
His Nazi saltue! Playing Spurs! I'd forgotten about that one Chris.

His excuse? 'I was imitating Basil Fawlty!'

In his autobiography, Alex Ferguson described Bosnisch as a 'terrible professional'.

He's a real 'bewt', as the Aussies would describe their own.

Will Mabon
435 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:20:10
Rob, that might be the pic that's in the Echo. Is it quite close, from behind the goal?
Chris Williams
436 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:20:17

Isn’t that an oxymoron by Ferguson?

Just like social distancing.

Mike Gaynes
437 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:20:50
Now the RS are even demanding that DIGNE be banned.

Why? Because he kidded Richarlison on Twitter about trying to slip the red card back into Oliver's pocket.

Rob Halligan
438 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:22:55
Will, it looks like. Obviously a photographer behind the boards done pretty good to capture the image. By the way, I'm not defending Pickford for his actions, but it does seem indicate why he did what he did.
Jay Wood

439 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:25:29
Rob @ 434. It's already on a couple of other threads, but do you mean this photo?

Who's Endangering Who?

The meejah will have access to this (it's a Getty Image, a platform used by all), but it's not an image doing the rounds in 'cos it doesn't demonise Jordan as much, but gives another perspective of the incident which doesn't fit the dialogue.

In Formula One the stewards would describe this as a 'racing incident' in which yes, there was a coming together of two combatants, but with no case to answer for as there was no deliberate malice by either to deliberately endanger the other.

Will Mabon
440 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:30:02
Just looked for it again on the Echo, it appears the articles have changed, with different pics/vids.

I saw the same one myself, and I think Brian mentioned or posted it somewhere earlier.

At the speed these things happen today it probably takes luck to guarantee getting studs on someone but to suggest "Leg wrapping" as I read earlier is mad. All gone too far.

Rob Halligan
441 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:30:30
That's the one, Jay. Thanks.
Will Mabon
442 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:38:32
Yep, same one. I've watched the vid again several times. It just looks clumsy, a bad decision but not malicious. The injury has come out as it has because Van Dijk got his foot planted before collision. It's just very unfortunate, albeit a bit desperate by JP.
Paul Smith
443 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:46:34
Was walking Hadrians wall during the derby, 80 miles in 3 days but kept looking at the live forum and getting updates of the lads I was with. Can’t imagine what it was like watching, must have been nail biting to say the least. After catching up with all the threads and reports, all I can say is I love the team Everton are turning into. We’re getting to them at last. Long may it continue.
Christy Ring
444 Posted 19/10/2020 at 19:54:46
Jay#442 Would love to see that photo on Sky etc studs up not so much victim
Neil Copeland
445 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:02:04
Personally I think the RS are pissed off and genuinely concerned that even a top drawer performance wasn’t good enough to beat an out of sorts blues. They cant believe that they didn’t win, I think Klipperty thinks the same. Having VVD out for most if not all the season is a major blow and they are panicking. This simply means they will hit out at every issue they can find in the hope that some sort of action is taken but more so in order to alienate as many as possible against us. They are hoping it will result in refs and VAR taking a hard line with EFC.

We are top of the league and are evolving into a very good team that doesn’t roll over. They are shitting themselves.

Long may it continue.

Tony Abrahams
446 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:09:06
I’ve just listened to John Martyn, singing that Chris, and the video made me smile. I don’t no if it was irony or coincidence, but it was all about the cat!
Christy Ring
447 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:21:03
Look up Van Dijk’s horrible tackle on Mertens and his feeble excuse
Tony Abrahams
448 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:21:28
Second one, Warren Zevon, I’ve never heard him before Chris, so thanks for that mate, I enjoyed it. Sad really, like most people I’m missing life right now, and I was thinking I’d have loved to be sitting having a beer, listening to that song live, but maybe one day soon.

The song could be written for VAR, it’s been fucked up since it started, but it’s only really fucked up when the outraged suffer, I really wish I was in a pub winding them up right now!

Hugh Jenkins
449 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:24:37
Dave (418) - you've coined a phrase there my friend. "The Taliban of the Premiership." I cannot now think of them any other way.
Tony Abrahams
450 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:37:37
The last paragraph was plainly spoken, and brilliantly written, and a truer description would be hard to find I think Hugh. Brilliant Dave, a true description of paranoia personified. Liverpudlians are making absolute fools of themselves, and they can’t even see it, is how one of my cockney mates put it today, him and Dave have summed them up perfectly.
Brian Wilkinson
451 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:41:40
I missed the first 15 mins so have only seen clips of the tackle, so what I would like to ask fellow posters is did Virgil walk the full length from behind the goal to the tunnel unassisted, or was he carried between two from their physio team, taking the weight off his knee, only clip I can see is Virgil near the tunnel walking by himself.
Kieran Kinsella
452 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:44:29
Brian 454

He walked the whole way. In fact that annoying Peter Drury said he was coming back on and looked to have shaken it off as he neared the half way line.

Brian Wilkinson
453 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:47:29
Cheers Kieran, so how do we know further damage was not inflicted by putting weight on it, just baffled how they never supported his knee by helping support him, or taken off on a stretcher, supporting his knee to avoid further damage.
Dave Abrahams
454 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:47:42
Dave (418), Taliban of the premiership, putting that in my top pocket and saving it for a few Red “ beauts” I know when we meet.
Jack Convery
455 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:48:03
Does anyone have VVDs tackles on James / DCL before Karma struck.
Chris Williams
456 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:48:28
Cheers Tony,

Warren is one of my favourites mate. I saw him sing that live at the Lowry Centre in Salford years ago. it’s about being told about the stuff that finally killed him, but dark humour.

I bet you’ve heard Werewolves of London though.

I hate Sky sports for their bringing everything down to a headline and trivialising stuff.

Try The Sky is Crying by Elmore James.

And sleep well to May You Never by John Martyn and have a laugh to The Hula Hula Boys by Warren Z

God bless

Kieran Kinsella
457 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:51:58

Exactly, Klopp said he knew he would be out for a long time as soon as it happened and yet they sent him on a 300 yard stroll in the immediate aftermath.

Rob Halligan
458 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:54:41
Brian # 454. Van Dijk walked from behind the Gwladys Street goal to the dugout, before walking away to behind the Park End goal and out in the corner.

The way he was walking showed no sign of a limp or anything. In fact you'd think from his boat race he'd just been sent off.

Rumour also has it that he had been receiving treatment for a while on "a suspect knee", so make of that what you will.

Kieran Kinsella
459 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:57:09
His knee probably wasn't helped by ramming it into James early on either.
Stan Schofield
460 Posted 19/10/2020 at 20:57:30
Dave@418: Well said, and a perfect description of the nuttier elements. What I find most disturbing is the lack of responsibility displayed by those who should set an example, firstly Klopp and secondly the media commentators.

Klopp's responses when things don't go his way are truly irresponsible and unprofessional. The persona he presents lacks dignity, decency and sportsmanship, and reflects a cult of personality that is ugly and enough to put folks off football. The guy needs anger management. If he carries on like that he'll have a coronary.

A large segment of the media follows close behind him, their presentation dressed up in a pretence of analysis that distorts facts and propagates lies.

The whole thing is shocking. A veritable lynch mob.

Mike Gaynes
461 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:00:24
Brian and Kieran, an ACL isn't a weight-bearing injury, and lots of guys walk off (or limp, rather) after an ACL injury. Nobody wants to be carried off, and the damage is already done -- it's not like a fracture where weight does it additional harm at that time. You can usually walk on it just two weeks after surgery.

For what it's worth, I thought the same thing Klippity did at the moment it happened.

Tony Abrahams
462 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:02:16
I said I'm missing life, I just wish I could get on a train to watch the mighty blues in London, Chris!

Kieran Kinsella
463 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:09:51
Mike Gaynes 464

You are ruining my conspiracy narrative with sensible medical information.

Jack Convery
464 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:10:31
A wise man once said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

I reckon Liverpool should come out and say "Calm Down, Calm down" before something bad happens... but I doubt they will.

Klopp is a Trump - Populist Manager. Says what his fanbase wants to hear. They should be asking him why was Van Dijk playing with pain. Could that explain how Villa took the piss last time out? Van Dijk should always be questioning the way his manager and physios have handled his injury (pain), prior to playing Everton.

Kieran Kinsella
465 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:11:58
Stan 463,

Let's not forget, when a Liverpool player racially abused another pro, the decision was made to commemorate said racist by wearing T-shirts with his fanged face on while he was banned.

Mike Gaynes
466 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:15:23
Kieran #466, my apologies. Don't know what gets into me sometimes.
Dale Self
468 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:24:56
Wait, it gets better..."Liverpool to wait for Virgil Van Dijk like ‘a good wife when husband is in jail'" is the title of FourFourTwo's take on the Red Shite shituation. Pass the popcorn.
Chris Williams
469 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:28:06

I'd just love to get back to Goodison again. Or just go to the pub with my family again. See my grandson

Life Jim but not as we know it.

Shit, it might be tough but it will pass and life will go on. It always does.

As the Doobies said, Listen To The Music.

Martin Mason
470 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:48:49
Jay @442,

That was exactly as I described it, a footballing incident, with Pickford doing basically what any other good goalie would have done. Never takes his eye off the ball and there is absolutely no malice.

Van Dijk ended up in the scissor partly because of how he went down. Terrible incident, terrible injury but there but the Grace of God go many people who get tackled in football especially by often thuggish tackles from Van Dijk himself.

Brian Wilkinson
471 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:50:37
Damn you, Mike, we had a good conspiracy going there.
Brian Williams
472 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:52:30
Dale #471.

That's actually a quote from Klopp's "speech". He actually said that.

Martin Mason
473 Posted 19/10/2020 at 21:57:45
Jack @467 That was Jesus I think.
Derek Knox
475 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:23:59
Mike G, @440, thanks for that link. I couldn't get it before when another poster put the link up. I loved Digne to start with (man-crush and all that 💙) but love him even more for that. At least our players have a sense of humour, more than can be said for the Morons of Mordor!
Soren Moyer
476 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:27:29
Chris @436. Ah Warren Zevon (RIP). What an artist. Love his Boom Boom Mancini song.
Derek Knox
477 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:31:06
Let's just hope the truth will out, and coupled with their Covid-19 furlough gaff (which they recinded after pressure), the Big Picture Project, along with Man Utd.

And now this, blaming that incident on an existing problem, solely down to Jordan Pickford. Maybe other fans and the general public will see them exposed for the cheats that they are.

Chris Williams
478 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:32:14

Yes, he was. A genius for me.

A couple of songs for our time:

Splendid Isolation

The Bland Indifference of Heaven.

James Head
479 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:32:25
We all know Pickford isn't the brightest, he got confused with the taking a knee procedure and just took the wrong knee!
Hugh Jenkins
480 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:39:54
Martin (476) - yes - it was - according to the Bible anyway.
Soren Moyer
481 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:52:19
Yes Chris. One of my all time favorites. Sadly We lost him to cancer!
Derek Knox
482 Posted 19/10/2020 at 22:53:23
Soren @479, have you listened to Half Man, Half Biscuit?

Brilliant comedy group with some hilarious parodies on popular songs. I wholeheartedly recommend a listen, possibly YouTube to whet your appetite. Came from the Wirral area I believe.

Soren Moyer
483 Posted 19/10/2020 at 23:00:31
Thanks Derek. Never heard of them but will have a look at YouTube soon my friend.
Christy Ring
484 Posted 19/10/2020 at 23:09:44
I really love all the high moral ground from the redshite, and fans. All the different incidents, remember when Alan Smith broke his leg at Anfield, and there fans throwing bricks at the ambulance.

Probably the most hated fans in Europe, they seem to think that Heysel never happened sadly.

Graham Lloyd
485 Posted 19/10/2020 at 23:26:04
Now that the dust has settled a little and we absorb the wild rantings of the other lot's supporters and 'experts' alike at the sheer injustice of the whole affair.

There is a part of me that just can't help but wonder what the level of reaction would have been like if we had actually scored from that free-kick which was pretty much the last kick of the game and we ended up winning 3-2. Could you imagine!

Also – wouldn't surprise me to see this incident and the next three games as the making or breaking of Jordan Pickford. Every save he makes in the next three games, there will be pundits screaming out that he shouldn't be there. Equally, any mistakes he makes will be roundly applauded as justice for Van Dijk.

He strikes me as someone who likes the attention so maybe, just maybe, he will see this as an opportunity to grab the headlines for a little longer.

Andy Crooks
486 Posted 19/10/2020 at 23:42:25
Martin @ 473, I agree. However, your comment differs slightly from your post @9 on the devil's red pact thread. Are there two Martin Masons? We need to know.
Will Mabon
487 Posted 19/10/2020 at 23:45:39
Andy, re-read that post 9 with your sarcasm detector specs on...
Mike Gaynes
488 Posted 20/10/2020 at 00:40:23
Dale #471, "pass the popcorn"... HAHAHA!
Frank Wade
489 Posted 20/10/2020 at 01:13:17
Jack #458, See footage of game here Link

Derek 'Half Man, Half Biscuit', what a name! Long time since I heard that one.

Christine Foster
490 Posted 20/10/2020 at 02:23:07
Ancelotti's last instructions in the tunnel, "Don't forget to take the knee..."

So Jordan did.

Lloyd Brodrick
491 Posted 20/10/2020 at 03:32:00
Help! Am I out of date with the offside rule? Firmino was a mile off for Mane's goal, yet no VAR?

Then, for Henderson's goal, Mane came from an offside position to receive the ball, so offside... or am I wrong?

Laurie Hartley
492 Posted 20/10/2020 at 03:47:48
Make no mistake the media might just settle for Richarlison getting a three-match ban but mark my words, we are going to pay for Pickford injuring Van Dijk – they will find a way. I am as sure of this as night follows day based on 60 years following Everton.

Lloyd #494 – posed the same question earlier in the thread and I am still not quite sure what the answer is even though Derek #376 & Brian #381 offered possible explanations. ;)

Steve Brown
493 Posted 20/10/2020 at 05:05:14
Think we should put all this blame game to one side, hold hands with the redshite and pray for Virgil.
Ian Jones
494 Posted 20/10/2020 at 05:51:45
Christine. dare you to post that on Liverpool fan sites. 😀
Darren Hind
495 Posted 20/10/2020 at 05:52:13
Bang out of order, Christine.

Mind if I pinch it?

Derek Knox
497 Posted 20/10/2020 at 07:55:28
Steve @ 496, I think I get the gist here, 'A Vigil for Virgil' ?

Pray to Allah for Salah? :-)

Dave Williams
498 Posted 20/10/2020 at 08:49:44
Christine- that is very clever and the funniest I have seen on here for a long time!!
Andy Crooks
499 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:08:13
Thank you Will, I just have. Martin, apologies. I really should have known better. In my defence, I offer. stupidity.
Martin Mason
500 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:35:46
Andy@489, sorry, no duplicity was intended. The earlier post was my initial reaction but I watched it again several times and realised that I was just wrong. Hopefully you will excuse me changing my views under those circumstances.
Tony Abrahams
501 Posted 20/10/2020 at 09:48:29
Thank you for the music Chris! May you never, has taken me to one of my favorite ever tracks - Love and Affection, by Joan Armatrading, mate
Brian Williams
502 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:13:34
Derek Knox
503 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:38:23
Just turned over to SSN, to see what the news was, they are still going on about JP and VVD, slow motion every angle, unbelievable!
Geoff Cadman
504 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:39:08
Christine the best comment of the season
Jack Convery
505 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:43:59
Frank thanks for the link.

See pic on this link. Pickford saves from Matt Doherty at Spurs. Only a still bit it looks very much like how he's charged out towards VVD in similar circumstances - both feet off the floor and leading with right leg as he blocks the shot. Obviously its a technique he uses when coming out to block an unmarked player who has got in behind the full back.

Jack Convery
506 Posted 20/10/2020 at 12:47:34
oops I did it again - pic on this link.

What happened to the edit facility. Please bring it back for us older fogies who forget to put in links.

Chris Williams
507 Posted 20/10/2020 at 13:07:00
Cheers Tony,

I hope you’re feeling a bit better today. Music can always help to some degree.

That’s a great track by JAT. Whatever happened to her?

An old mate, we’ve known each since we were babies in Walton, lives in Spain these days. He reckoned that just dancing when he felt a bit low really helped, and asked me for a playlist that he could dance along to. On his own!

He said I should do it too. I’ve not tried it yet but I think my wife, who already thinks I’m eccentric, may think I’ve gone totally barmy, if she sees that.

Christy Ring
508 Posted 20/10/2020 at 13:30:31
Christine, Brillain't wit. Brian, The Echo doing a condolences book, I know they had to take it down, what did they expect, an absolute joke by a pathetic red nose paper.
Andy Crooks
509 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:00:25
Martin @ 503. Changing your views is open minded and this incident is not clear cut by any means. The reaction of the kopites is hilariously narrow minded. They don't know much but they know when they are wronged. Any dropped point is an affront, any decision against them a miscarriage of justice up there with the Birmingham six. A defeat a crime against humanity.
When we beat them in January it will, to them, be a calamity of biblical proportions, an event that will but covid into perspective.
Derek Knox
510 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:26:24
Andy, a calamity of biblical proportions?

I have heard that Mo Salah has forewarned Egypt in preparation for all manner of plagues, befalling his kinsfolk, should the result at Mordor go in our favour. Even has his Mummy worried. :-)

Tony Abrahams
511 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:32:35
Funny Chris, but Joan, took me on to Peter Gabriel, and I think “Shaking the tree” would be the perfect song for trying that dance out! San Jacinto, and Biko - for obvious reasons are also a must, but I prefer shutting my eyes for Steven Biko.
Chris Williams
512 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:41:56

Listen to Biko Drum by Christie Moore

Powerful song

Not sure my knackered knee and ankle could withstand all that dancing

Too much football, rugby and cross country, to keep fit!

When I get up of a morning it sounds like a symphony of bones.

Christine Foster
513 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:43:31
My apologies for the tasteless barb, but beneath my calm persona there is a blue blooded Evertonian Joan of arc lol..
To be honest I am a little tired of the endless resentment and bile poured out towards Pickford. The song Wide eyed and legless befits him, but he is our keeper. OUR keeper and despite his frailties he plays for us. He may be a picnic plate short of a basket sometimes but he is ours and I stand by him.
Chris Williams
514 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:45:53
Hear hear Christine!
Christine Foster
515 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:52:34
Circle the wagons, stand by to repel boarders, cut them with wit, hurt them with a smile, offer them solace with a glint, we are as one, a Band of Brothers all.
Dave Roberts
516 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:53:24
So Klopp will wait for Virgil like a good wife is waiting when the husband is in jail.

Let this be a lesson to you Virgil. If you'd stayed in Holland you could have applied for conjugal visits with condoms and necessary lubricants supplied.

Unless you're more imaginative than I am you don't need knees for that kind of hanky panky.

Chris Williams
517 Posted 20/10/2020 at 14:56:11

That creates a horrid image it will take time to eradicate.

Klopping off?

Soren Moyer
518 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:07:43
This is the THUG who is calling for referees to protect players!!!! Can you fucking believe it!!??
Derek Taylor
519 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:13:20
Jack @509, is this what you refer to. It's always available to me and I make full use of it these days !
Derek Taylor
520 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:14:35
Well, it was there this morning !
Derek Knox
521 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:18:40
Derek @523, " Well, it was there this morning !"

Not the KY Jelly I hope. :-)

Thomas Roberts
522 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:37:56
You nasty Bluenoses, have you no sympathy to Saint Virgil's plight? I sincerely hope that you are all wearing your black armbands until his triumphant return?

I would like to recommend 2 solutions which our lovable rogue Redshite neighbours can choose from to stop the upcoming mass depression.

Firstly, I think it is only fair for the integrity of football that the Premier League be suspended until Saint Virgil is fit and well again and propping up the joint worse defence in the Premier League. I'm sure our friends in Oslo will be working on a public holiday for Saint Virgil's day from 2021 onwards.

A second option would be to reopen the transfer window just for LFC to go and sign another 75 million pound centre back. Please ignore the fact that Jamie Carragher thinks that Klopp has done wonders with no money to spend, Yes he did say that!

All in all, I'm sure all of us would support this 'Merseyside, Merseyside, Merseyside, and all that'.

Everton's worst performance of the season versus Liverpool's best. Last time I checked, 2-2 constitutes a draw. Imagine if we brought our A game? The return at Anfield in February will set us up nicely for the following weekend's Carabao Cup final.

Hand it over, Liverpool!
Mike Gaynes
523 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:49:45
"...a picnic plate short of a basket sometimes..."

Christine, do I need to pay you to use that one?

Christine Foster
524 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:53:12
Mike, actually the term is "one plate short of a picnic basket" but I cannot sleep and its nearly 4 am! Feel
Brian Wilkinson
525 Posted 20/10/2020 at 15:54:59
Getting Souness to give a fair assessment on the Pickford tackle is like asking Mandy Jordache for an estimate for a patio.
Frank Wade
526 Posted 20/10/2020 at 16:45:13
Christine #518 offer them solace with a glint - Classic, thanks for that !
Dale Self
527 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:10:52
Damn, just checked in to see if it was still going on. Glad I did to see Christine's naughty comment, classic. And the prose, great range there, glad I'm on her side. Top of the table for a while longer, everything is quite a joy at the moment.
Brian Wilkinson
528 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:36:04
God help them if they announce the go ahead for Bramley Moore, think this news will tip them over the edge.
Derek Knox
529 Posted 20/10/2020 at 17:42:02
Slightly off topic, but it's about time we heard of news about the go ahead for Bramley Moore Dock then Brian. :-)
Brian Wilkinson
530 Posted 20/10/2020 at 18:28:59
I have heard it will be around January when he hear something about it, not sure what year though :-)
Brian Wilkinson
531 Posted 20/10/2020 at 18:34:31
A very big ask I know but can you imagine if we keep this form up and are still clear at the top when they decide it is now safe for the Red shite to have their open top tour, be more Evertonians on the streets.

If Leicester can do it against the odds then he not us.

Jack Convery
532 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:03:33
As its the 3rd Day - Has he Risen Yet ? Just asking for a friend like.
Andy Crooks
533 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:09:30
Brian @528. Mandy Jordache, brilliant, that name just sends me down memory lane. Mandy Jordache...great stuff, Brian. I am pretty sure our US blues will miss that cultural reference. Only on ToffeeWeb.
Rob Halligan
534 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:18:00
Andy, I knew the name Mandy Jordache rang a bell, but I couldn't think were from, so had to Google it. You're right though, does take you down memory lane. Loved Brookie!!
Brian Wilkinson
535 Posted 20/10/2020 at 19:49:54
I thought that As well Andy, apologies to our overseas friends.
Christy Ring
536 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:06:05
We're going to be excommunicated, Pope Francis has started "A VIGIL for Virgil" in the Vatican, he just read the Echo.
Derek Knox
537 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:30:35
Christy @ 540, it wouldn't surprise me if was invited to the VC for an audience, an inquiry, and to ' kiss his ring '! :-)
Christy Ring
538 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:35:17
I see Wijnaldum told Sky, we deliberately try to injure there players, it's happened alot in games against them, we always take it too far, and Klopp agreed with him. Isn't it time for a response from our club, and tell a few home truths, it's bad enough branding our players, but treating our club like dirt, from the most hated club in Europe.
Brian Wilkinson
539 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:38:02
Will not be long before they do a new working of dirty old town, to dirty old Jord.
Brian Wilkinson
540 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:39:48
King Kenny on Violin, Klopp on the banjo, and the spirit of Shankly on backing vocals.
Brian Williams
541 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:53:43
Expect a different one of their players each day to come out with more shite until they've all had a go.
Will Mabon
542 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:55:43
No, not time for a response. Let them whinge - the bleating becomes more desperate as we stay quiet, they're all lining up for a go. The rest of football neutrals will be figuring out which way the wind blows - especially with today's further shady developments.

We're above getting involved and should show it.

Hugh Jenkins
543 Posted 20/10/2020 at 20:59:18
Could never understand why they dropped Brookeside - best soap on the TV at the time - by a very long way.
Brent Stephens
544 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:00:09
Will, at fecking last. Let’s just close down all the comment. Anybody can read our fans forums. Let them read us talking being top of the league. About DCL and all his goals. Anything about that fecking collision.

Not - fecking - bothered.

Hugh Jenkins
545 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:03:18
It looks like we have derailed their whole season as apparently Matip was also injured in the derby and is now uncertain for their Champions league tie with Ajax tomorrow.

Klopp is distraught with worry about where ehe is going to get a centre back from?

Will Mabon
546 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:06:24
Hugh, maybe we could loan them Pennington as a gesture of good faith. Not cup tied, is he?
Brian Williams
547 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:11:34
Phil Jones of Man Utd should be available in January as he's not happy at lack of game time.

I would love to see the rs sign him. 🤣

Jack Convery
548 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:12:06
Ignore them. They are trying to unsettle us and get in our heads, like a player trying to get another player to react so he gets sent off. Just grin back in their face inanely as per Rabid Robertson, every time he thinks he's got you pissed off. Stay professional and let them make a spectacle of themselves in front of the nation. Victims yet again.

Their trouble is they love dishing it out like a school bully but shit themselves when the kid fights back and tun to mummy & daddy or in this case the FA and The Media.

Carlo and his boys sure made their mark this last weekend and its got nothing to do with Pickford, Richarlson, Refs or Var. We stood up to them, would not be intimidated and twice came from behind. They would have expected us to lie down and thank them for showing us how good they are and how shit we should think of ourselves and not get ideas above their perceived perception of us. Yes, it may well be our cup final but we are their nemesis and they are crapping themselves that Everton are finally wakening from too long a slumber. Go get em Carlo.

Will Mabon
549 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:14:47
Phil Jones! Now THAT was a fall from grace. Looked fantastic for about four games. Unlucky with injury though.
Mike Price
550 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:20:27
That desperation we have taken into games has hopefully now been transferred to those vile scumbags. Hopefully they will be agitated, moving forward and we can be ruthless.

This Wijnaldum thing has added fuel and it's now getting beyond belief. They actually don't see anything they do as wrong, anything goes against them is an affront on humanity.

I hope our club respond and plant some seeds of our own. The shit we have taken for decades, players' careers ruined, horrendous tackles, shocking decisions, unbelievable bad luck and the first time I can ever remember any luck for us and against them, it's Armageddon.

Jack Convery
551 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:38:21
Klopp - "A couple of days ago, something happened which should not have happened in a football game. It did not happen for the first time and not the last, and I see it similar to my players.

"Both challenges were difficult to accept, let me say it like that.

"Virgil is our boy, a world-class player and we will miss him. Injuries happen in football, but when two players try to challenge for the ball."

The snidey comment - It did not happen for the first time and not the last.

Quite right Mr Klopp - just ask Nulty, Ebbrell, Naismith, Mirallas, and Neville. Others who have been injured but who got on with - Heath, Bracewell, McCarthy, Coleman, Oviedo, Connolly and most recently Gomes. Shit happens that's life. What your really pissed off about is you took a chance with VVD, you admitted he had pain and has been playing in pain because you didn't get a CB in during the transfer window. That's your fault not Pickfords.

Last season City lost Laporte - did they whinge no they got on with it. Any player can get injured at anytime in a game of football it happens every week, Why oh why are you supposed to be immune. Pickford was stupid we know that. It wasn't deliberate, whereas Sons on Gomes was done with the red mist in his eyes. He got a red which was then rescinded by a media outcry. We were gobsmacked but we got on with it and so did Gomes. Just give it arrest. EFC are back learn to live with it. We are.

Jack Convery
552 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:43:49
I forgot Southall's broken ankle playing for Wales. An injury that may have cost us a Double. As I say, we got on with it.
Tony Hill
553 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:45:36
We should look at Carlo, gliding on untroubled, noting that we are slowly getting stronger but that everyone can do better. He's relentless and does not hear irrelevant noise.
Tony Abrahams
554 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:50:46
The best thing to do is go to that Liverpool show were the two fellas in the studio were made up when Van Dyke went through Rodriguez.

Oh mash potato says one, I thought it was going to be Robbo who was gonna nail him first, says the other.

One rule for everyone and another rule for Liverpool? because you don’t win leagues if you can’t compete. Not for the first time — you’re kidding nobody Liverpool, hard done by? Yes. But join the club and fucking get on with it now

Patrick McFarlane
555 Posted 20/10/2020 at 21:55:09
Jack #555
I can fully understand everyone connected to the other lot, being frustrated, annoyed, and perhaps a tad angry, but usually 3 days after a game, the 'emotional response' is beginning to die down.

Calmer heads would seek to cool the fires and try and get on with what is to them a bad situation. The lack of respect shown by Klopp and his players towards Everton FC is reaching a level that I never thought I would witness.

I can take a lack of respect from former players masquerading as pundits, they can have the same level of emotional baggage as supporters, but from active professionals who are supposed to set the standards and who are allegedly role models for many youngsters, and some adults, I worry about the possible fall-out from this episode.

It's supposed to be a game, not a war, and Klopp's utterances are unwise and unwelcome.

Jack Convery
556 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:04:01
Fully agree Patrick. I just hope no idiot decides to punish Pickford to cheer Klopp up. Then we would have trouble. Trouble that has been simmering for quite some time me thinks.
Jack Convery
557 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:33:26
At the weekend my wife ordered me a book on line which duly arrived today. I have just picked it up and at the start of Chapter 1 and I kid you not is the following quote

One whom Fortune's smiles have delighted overmuch, will reel under the shock of change.

Horace, Epistles I, x.30-33.

Andy Crooks
558 Posted 20/10/2020 at 22:46:59
Love it, Jack. From Brookie to Horace in a few posts. Only on ToffeeWeb.

Brian Wilkinson
559 Posted 21/10/2020 at 00:39:25
They will blame us for anything and keep at it so all the media arse lickers will carry on discussing it, until they have every tv pundit, ref and var, looking to even the score and either give them a decision, or make damn sure we will have to fight tooth and nail, to get any 50-50 decisions in the future.

Who can remember Tommy Smith coming on the pitch in the Merseyside cup final to take a penalty as a guest or some charity, in front of 100,000 at Wembley, both BBC and ITV audiences live, as well as the rest of the world.

Yes, the older generation will remember the social stopped his disability and dropped him to the lowest rate after the incident and guess what, he blamed it on an Everton fan for naming him to the social, probs was like but what did he expect, if he is stupid enough to go in front of a live audience, and take a penalty.

Brian Wilkinson
560 Posted 21/10/2020 at 00:49:27
Apologies re above was the 1996 cup final, not the Mersey cup final.
Derek Thomas
561 Posted 21/10/2020 at 01:34:21
Andy @ 562. That Horace was a lousy pools tipster but he could certainly write a cracking epigram.
Derek Knox
562 Posted 21/10/2020 at 02:26:46
Derek T, Horace Batchelor, Keynsham, Bristol, regular pools tipster on Radio Luxembourg. Geez that takes me back.

Nostalgia is not what it used to be though! Eh? :-)

Nicholas Howard
563 Posted 21/10/2020 at 02:53:01
‘What's the point in having you?' – Liverpool's Andy Robertson questioned David Coote's ability months before Pickford blunder

Andy Robertson agrees that he should be sent off for dangerous tackling on Allan. LOL just a joke out of context

Lynn Maher
564 Posted 21/10/2020 at 08:51:44
Re the Brookside references. My daughter used to be in it. And yes I was very proud of her. Unfortunately in the script, her young son was a supporter of the not very bright team, across the park. It broke my heart😩
Although she now lives in the USA, I am known as Nanna Everton by my grandson aged two.
Hugh Jenkins
565 Posted 21/10/2020 at 08:53:26
Derek (566) - The mind is a strange machine. Listening to the Horace Batchelor adverts on Radio Luxembourg and never having seen the man, my mind's eye always conjured up an image of an Alfred Hitchcock "look-alike".
I don't know why but I think it might have had something to do with the voice of the advert announcer, who as I recall sounded a bit like Hitchcock sounded when he used to introduce the TV programme "Alfred Hitchcock Presents".
Totally off subject - but I just thought I'd mention it.
Having said that - it may not be that far off subject because the ongoing treatment of Pickford by the RS and media is turning into a "Horror Show" in its own right.
Hugh Jenkins
566 Posted 21/10/2020 at 08:58:17
Lynn (568) - Fantastic - what part did you daughter play?- I must tell my wife.
Lynn Maher
567 Posted 21/10/2020 at 09:17:27
Hi Hugh. She played Ruth Smith. She was part of the Gordon family. They were one of the last families to move into the close.
Liam Heffernan
568 Posted 21/10/2020 at 11:23:31
Watching the various tv punters across all channels and continents vis-à-vis Pickfords tackle on the “ untouchable “, it’s nothing short of incitement to hatred !!!. Their comments are far worse than any tackle on a football field. Just wait for an up and coming “red card tackle” from one of the red shite and the football boot will be on the other foot.
Kim Vivian
569 Posted 21/10/2020 at 14:45:47
Off topic as this thread must be running its course - but what do we think of the new look ToffeeWeb?

On topic - what fucks me off is that not one pundit that I have read/heard has made the point that VVD was as committed to that ball as Pickford was. It's always going to be dicey with these combative 50/50s and it (the injury) could have gone either way. I genuinly have a begrudging sympathy for VVD, but time for the inquisition to move on I think.

A million a month will buy enough pain relief I think.

Derek Knox
570 Posted 21/10/2020 at 18:41:51
Kim @ 573, well your a dark horse Kim, you never told us before you were on a million a month! :-)
Brian Wilkinson
571 Posted 21/10/2020 at 19:15:59
That’s great that Lynn, bing was her Dad in it, she would have been alright if Harry Cross played her Dad, he would have sorted the darkside boyfriend out :-)
Brian Wilkinson
572 Posted 21/10/2020 at 19:38:04
This stripped down ToffeeWeb is much better, even got the return of the edit button, great work guys.

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